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<v Speaker 1>It's always good news when a cold case gets solved.

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<v Speaker 1>With the advancements and technology over the past several decades,

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<v Speaker 1>it has given investigators the edge they need to finally

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<v Speaker 1>bring many individuals to justice. Today we discuss a case

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<v Speaker 1>that was cold without any leads for over fifty years,

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<v Speaker 1>until finally genetic genealogy gave investigators the information they needed

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<v Speaker 1>to identify the attacker who took a woman's life in

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<v Speaker 1>cold blood all those years ago. This is the story

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<v Speaker 1>of Nancy Marie Benelac.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked

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<v Speaker 2>and Grim, a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast material intended for your audience listener discretion.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it just me or did that feel like a

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<v Speaker 1>weird intro coming off of Halloween Week?

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<v Speaker 2>It did a little. It was almost I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what would be that, like, I'm climactic, really.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess because Jacko during Halloween week certainly has a flare.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't so, I don't know how to say it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you do, well, thank you. You're wearing your Jacko

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<v Speaker 2>shirt though, Hey, I am you're feeling you're feeling kind

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<v Speaker 2>of in the blues or whatever that Jacko wasn't here,

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<v Speaker 2>so you're representing only your shirt.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just still in the Halloween spirit through and through

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<v Speaker 1>Jacko vibes, Halloween Week, vibes, Halloween, just all of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was a good week. It was really good.

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<v Speaker 1>It was. Honestly though, we're driving around town yesterday, we

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<v Speaker 1>were already see Christmas lights up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah you even saw a Christmas tree? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I did. In someone's window in their house was a

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<v Speaker 1>fucking Christmas tree. And that was just like a couple

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<v Speaker 1>days after Halloween. That was That would have been November.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was November second, actually, not the third.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was the second I saw the Christmas tree,

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<v Speaker 1>which is nuts.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know I did, oh man. Someone shared

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<v Speaker 2>something I can't remember exactly what it was, but it

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<v Speaker 2>was like put your down tree up, like the world's

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<v Speaker 2>weird enough anyway, or something like just like do what

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<v Speaker 2>you want kind.

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<v Speaker 1>Of oha, no fair enough, go for it, celebrate. But

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<v Speaker 1>for me, it's like, who the fuck has the time

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<v Speaker 1>to get that shit done? Only that like in that

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<v Speaker 1>short of window. Afterwards, well maybe they even had it

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<v Speaker 1>up before.

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<v Speaker 2>But also I feel like I personally would get sick

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<v Speaker 2>of Christmas to core up that long. I would too,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I think usually even if we put it up

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<v Speaker 2>in December, like by you know, Christmas, I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm done with like this extra clutter and stuff everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Me too. And then you like put all the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>away and your house seems like so empty and lean,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like whoa. Yeah, No, I don't judge those

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<v Speaker 1>who put their decorations up, but wow, wow, I just

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<v Speaker 1>hit Pubert. Did you hear that I did? Yeah? But

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<v Speaker 1>for me, it's like an internal scream because it's just

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<v Speaker 1>like I could never. It's not that I judge you,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just if I were you, I could never.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Well, maybe they are as obsessed with Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>as you are with Halloween.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, fly at it right. Like I said, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>um be. But we do want to talk about one

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<v Speaker 1>more thing about Halloween Week before we move on. We

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<v Speaker 1>actually had a record breaking twenty four hours.

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<v Speaker 2>We did, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>So we talked about it a little bit over on Patreon.

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<v Speaker 1>But leading up to Halloween Week, I think our record

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<v Speaker 1>was somewhere around like it was almost eight thousand downloads

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<v Speaker 1>in a twenty four hour period. Then Halloween Week came

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<v Speaker 1>around and it was nine thousand downloads in a twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four hour period, and then finally the climactic Halloween Week

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<v Speaker 1>moment came and we reached over ten thousand downloads in

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty four hour period. Wild So thank you guys

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<v Speaker 1>so much for tuning in to all the new listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>all the people binging you guys are amazing. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, thank.

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<v Speaker 2>You seriously, like you just keep blowing us away, you do.

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<v Speaker 1>And we also have to thank our patrons as well

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<v Speaker 1>over on Patreon. So we haven't thanked anyone for the

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<v Speaker 1>last weeks. We got a few to thank here, So

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<v Speaker 1>thank you to Emily Beth Melville, Katrina Jones, Bethany Tarnowski,

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<v Speaker 1>Holly i'se sorry, I got a list of scrolling through here,

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<v Speaker 1>Leanne Bednard's and Aaron McCook and Pat Slick. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>very much for signing up over in Patreon.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice.

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<v Speaker 1>They got an additional like three episodes in a row

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<v Speaker 1>after Halloween, Yeah, which is amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>It went on a little longer for them.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of going on, I think we've gone on long enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you ready for this case?

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<v Speaker 2>I think so?

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I love it. I love it when

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<v Speaker 2>like cases get solved like this. Well, so it would

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<v Speaker 2>be so awesome if it didn't take fifty years. But

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<v Speaker 2>still it's just like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, well, it's like one of those situations where people

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<v Speaker 1>almost give up hope that it's ever going to be solved. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then something comes to light and it's just incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes it all that much sweeter that justice has served,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because the because like the person was that close

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<v Speaker 2>to getting away with it really.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, and they probably thought they had gotten away with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyways, we got a story to talk about today,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is a story of Nancy Marie benelec So.

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<v Speaker 1>Nancy was a smart, hard working woman who brought energy

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<v Speaker 1>and warmth wherever she went. She was born in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty two and she grew up living in Grass Valley, California.

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<v Speaker 1>She attended Hennessy School and later Nevada Union High School.

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<v Speaker 1>Nancy was driven and stood out from a young age.

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<v Speaker 1>She had a full life with full of active activities

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<v Speaker 1>in her young years, marked by a range of interests

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<v Speaker 1>and talents and all across the board, really just experiencing

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<v Speaker 1>everything she could. In her younger years, she was an

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<v Speaker 1>avid athlete who shined in both softball and was a

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<v Speaker 1>song leader, showcasing her energy and team spirit. Not only

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<v Speaker 1>that she was quite a slim, slim girl, but she

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<v Speaker 1>also could out eat a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just like devouring tacos. Apparently like out eating her

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<v Speaker 1>dad and stuff. Oh yeah. She also loved time, spending

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<v Speaker 1>time bowling at the Gold Bowl in Grass Valley, where

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<v Speaker 1>she had a fun, competing and socializing atmosphere to go

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<v Speaker 1>along with it. Now, according to her sister, despite her frame,

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<v Speaker 1>to it early that she had quite the appetite.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>After high school, Nancy pursued her passion for beauty and

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<v Speaker 1>style and attended beauty school. She spent a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>years working in the Beauty Corral, a popular spot located

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<v Speaker 1>at the intersection of Neil and South Auburn Street, but

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<v Speaker 1>where she built Sorry, this is where she built connections

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<v Speaker 1>with clients and honed her skills. But her sense of

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<v Speaker 1>adventure led her to a trip to Hawaii with a friend,

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<v Speaker 1>where she worked as a hairstylist and embraced the island life,

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<v Speaker 1>before eventually returning to California to continue her journey. So

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<v Speaker 1>she's doing her thing, you know, with all this like

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<v Speaker 1>styling and beauty and all that, takes it abroad, still

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<v Speaker 1>doing great with it, and then returns home. But eventually

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<v Speaker 1>her career path would take a turning point. She turned

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<v Speaker 1>away from the beauty industry and her new job was

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<v Speaker 1>now as a court reporter, and it was a perfect

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<v Speaker 1>fit for her sharp mind and attention to detail. Nancy

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<v Speaker 1>was really good at what she did and was respected

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<v Speaker 1>by everyone she worked with. So, to put it lightly,

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<v Speaker 1>Nancy was pretty much good at anything she did.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it kind of sounds like that, so she's like.

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<v Speaker 1>You, Wow, I know, I'm not like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like you're pretty much good at anything you

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<v Speaker 2>do as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm all right, I'm a jack of all trades type.

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<v Speaker 1>I can be good ish, decent ish at most things.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think she was like good at it all.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's yeah. I mean, yeah, that impresses me because

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I'm the opposite. So well done.

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<v Speaker 1>It's difficult to be someone like that, but she Yeah. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Outside of work, Nancy was known for being friendly and

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<v Speaker 1>full of life. She loved being around people and made

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<v Speaker 1>friends quite easily. Her laughter and stories always made social

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<v Speaker 1>gatherings more fun, and her friends loved how she could

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<v Speaker 1>make any moment feel special. To put it simply, if

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<v Speaker 1>you were to sum up Nancy as a person, she

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<v Speaker 1>was proud and had a way of making those around

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<v Speaker 1>her feel comfortable and appreciate it. Nancy's life was going perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, she had recently even gotten engaged to her

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<v Speaker 1>boyfriend by the name of Ferris Salome, and their relationship

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<v Speaker 1>was filled with excitement and plans for the future as well. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Ferris was a County Chief's assistant public defender, and it

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<v Speaker 1>would have been through their paths crossing at work that

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<v Speaker 1>they would have met. And just like I mentioned, she

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<v Speaker 1>had no problems making friends and making those around her

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<v Speaker 1>feel appreciated. I'm sure it was quick and easy seduction

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<v Speaker 1>that she got Ferris, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah. And of course they were probably planning their

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<v Speaker 2>wedding right most.

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<v Speaker 1>Likely will being engaged and really were now, Nancy looked

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<v Speaker 1>forward to this new chapter with joy and hope, balancing

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<v Speaker 1>her work life and her personal life with enthusiasm basically,

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<v Speaker 1>But one day, Nancy and Ferris had plans to quote

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<v Speaker 1>that evening, they're going out for dinner. Like many other times,

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<v Speaker 1>they had before. It was October twenty fifth, nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>when when she would return sorry to her apartment, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is where she lived alone. It was at the

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<v Speaker 1>Tahitan Apartments located on Bell Street. Now, Nancy's apartment reflected

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<v Speaker 1>who she was. Was organized, it was welcoming and filled

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<v Speaker 1>with little touches that showcased her personality. And after an

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<v Speaker 1>amazing evening with her fiance, Nancy crawled into bed and

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<v Speaker 1>went to sleep approximately at eleven thirty pm, which I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>props to her for having a night out like this,

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<v Speaker 1>because she did work the next morning. Oh yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of person where I'm like, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>be in bed at nine o'clock if I need to

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<v Speaker 1>work tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, well depends, I guess. Well, she probably had

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<v Speaker 2>early starts too, writ so she.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably did, but in this case, it wasn't too early,

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean, I can understand a bit. She was

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<v Speaker 1>scheduled to be at work by nine am.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and she's young, Ben, you don't have that anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. Youth is not on my side anymore. Although

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<v Speaker 1>I did get id buying alcohol.

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<v Speaker 2>The other day, You did, you were pretty pumped. I

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<v Speaker 2>what did I say, did they look at you?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, which, thanks for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, just mean because of your beard and stuff like.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't get id'd very often, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>It was on Halloween and I was wearing a skeleton Onzie. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so I probably looked pretty juvenile.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that made sense to me. After you explain that,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Still made me feel good. But yeah. Nancy was scheduled

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<v Speaker 1>Inside the silent apartment, they discovered a brutal and bloody scene.

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<v Speaker 2>Shit.

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<v Speaker 1>It was clear immediately that sometime in the night Nancy

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<v Speaker 2>What the hell because she was like tucked into bed. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so how does that even happen?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. Also, that poor mom sending her son, Hey, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>didn't realize. I'm sure what she was sending her son

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<v Speaker 2>to witness in just terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thanks to the PTSD mom, so the situation.

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<v Speaker 2>My goodness. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, the police were of course called immediately to the scene,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Sacramento Sheriff Department began their investigation. Among the

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<v Speaker 1>horrific scene was as it was being processed, Nancy's autopsy

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<v Speaker 2>Times, So someone probably that knew her intentially non okay, Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Her body was in such bad shape. The stab wounds

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that seems like that person just like hated her.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Almost seems like there's anger or something. Yeah. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>they also found a significant amount of defensive wounds on Nancy,

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<v Speaker 1>as her hands and arms had significant cuts and lacerations

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<v Speaker 2>So she fought back.

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<v Speaker 1>She fought back. In fact, honestly, police believed that the

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<v Speaker 1>only did she did this massive struggle occur and she

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<v Speaker 1>fought back, dealing these defensive wounds, but it seemed like

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<v Speaker 1>at one point Nancy was able to turn the knife

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<v Speaker 1>on the assailant on the attacker while fighting back because

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<v Speaker 1>there was a significant amount of blood everywhere, but the

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, okay, so Nancy she had she had some

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<v Speaker 2>game here.

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<v Speaker 1>Then she did. She was not letting it go good.

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<v Speaker 1>But also like heartbreaking, it is now the investigation into

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<v Speaker 1>her murder. Put, of course, Nancy's fiance at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>Ferris Somali. I sorry, for whatever reason, autocorrect has it

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<v Speaker 1>here as Slammy. That's not right. Oh no, but Ferris

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<v Speaker 1>put Ferris in the hot seat as suspect number one.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, as we all know from any other cases

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<v Speaker 1>at this point, as you're just saying, of course, a

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<v Speaker 1>significant other or family members are always the first to

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<v Speaker 1>be suspected. Now, upon questioning Ferris, he told them of

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<v Speaker 1>their evening out together. He said that the two of

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<v Speaker 1>them had gone out for dinner and he had dropped

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<v Speaker 1>her off at her apartment, but he did stay there

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<v Speaker 1>for a bit before leaving at around eleven thirty at

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<v Speaker 1>night to go back to his own apartment. So Nancy,

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<v Speaker 1>last we know, was headed to bed at eleven thirty. This,

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<v Speaker 1>of course made Ferris the last one to see Nancy

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<v Speaker 1>alive before the attack. Now he was able to give

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<v Speaker 1>them some insight on how the attacker could have gained

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<v Speaker 1>entry into her apartment. So apparently it wasn't unusual for

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<v Speaker 1>Nancy to leave her back glass sliding door open on

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<v Speaker 1>the apartment balcony. No, no, no, you hate.

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<v Speaker 2>This, I do because it's just like, frick.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think you have PTSD from that bedroom strangler case,

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<v Speaker 1>don't you.

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<v Speaker 2>I do. It's just like so simple, just like lock

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, this is the seventies, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more trusted in the public at the time, and she

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<v Speaker 1>generally did so leaving the glass door open, not just

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<v Speaker 1>willy nilly for airfloor or whatever. She did so for

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<v Speaker 1>her cat, so it could come and go outside as

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<v Speaker 1>it pleased.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I know, like back then, I don't think people

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<v Speaker 2>would have probably thought twice about that night.

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<v Speaker 1>And she did live on the second floor of the

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<v Speaker 1>story of that party. So yeah, Now, while the investigation

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<v Speaker 1>already pointed towards this door as a means of access

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<v Speaker 1>because there was a bloody trail heading out there leading

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<v Speaker 1>into the apartment parking lot from the assailant, it was

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<v Speaker 1>still useful information to know that it was you know,

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<v Speaker 1>normal for her to leave the door open. But despite this, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, helpful information. Now, in the seventies, DNA

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<v Speaker 1>analysis was not a thing yet. We have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the assailant's blood, but DNA analysis wouldn't be a

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<v Speaker 1>thing into the late eighties. So for now, all the

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement could do with that blood was get a

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<v Speaker 1>blood type. Though it wasn't much, it was useful enough

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<v Speaker 1>to help rule out some individuals as suspects, like Nancy's fiance,

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<v Speaker 1>Okrris Good Good, so he is in the clear now.

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<v Speaker 1>Police tried to find other means of evidence as well.

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<v Speaker 1>They dusted the door that he would have went through

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<v Speaker 1>or gained access however you want to say it, and

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<v Speaker 1>many other areas in the apartment for fingerprints, but unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>they were not able to get anything. What they did find, though,

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<v Speaker 1>was a piece of tape left behind at the scene.

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<v Speaker 1>It appeared as this this was used to wrap the

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<v Speaker 1>attacker's fingertips, which means they were likely trying to prevent

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<v Speaker 1>finger prints being left behind at the scene, so they

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<v Speaker 1>took tape and wrapped up their fingertips before entering.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, that's new, feel like I've ever heard that before.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's definitely an improv sort of thing, but it

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<v Speaker 1>does show premeditation because they knew they were going to

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<v Speaker 1>be breaking in and don't want to leave fingerprints, they

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<v Speaker 1>took measures before entering. Right now, one of Nancy's neighbors

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<v Speaker 1>named Alice Silva had reported hearing screams at around one

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<v Speaker 1>point thirty am, though it was said not to have

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<v Speaker 1>lasted long and almost sound like that of a baby scream.

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<v Speaker 1>Police do believe that these were most likely the screams

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<v Speaker 1>of Nancy in her final moments. While great information, it

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<v Speaker 1>once again did not provide authorities with any leads. So

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<v Speaker 1>with no real suspect to hand, investigators had to take

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<v Speaker 1>a step back and really try to follow the evidence

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<v Speaker 1>that they had. The murder weapon was nowhere to be found,

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<v Speaker 1>which wasn't helpful, but the belongings and valuables of Nancy

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't been touched. They were still in the apartment. Her

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<v Speaker 1>engagement ring, for example, was still in her finger, so

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<v Speaker 1>it clearly wasn't a robbery gone wrong, otherwise there would

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<v Speaker 1>be something on miss right. Absolutely, yeah, it was likely targeted,

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<v Speaker 1>and if this was a premeditated attack, then there should

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<v Speaker 1>be a connection somewhere. They began to look at Nancy's

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<v Speaker 1>life to try and draw any sort of lines between

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<v Speaker 1>her and a potential suspect. They thought maybe it could

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<v Speaker 1>be a retaliation from an individual or disgruntled person from court,

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<v Speaker 1>taking out their anger from either from her or from

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<v Speaker 1>Ferris onto her, right, right. She didn't really have any

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<v Speaker 1>personal connections in court, but being a defendant, Ferris might right, so,

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<v Speaker 1>and then to get to him, they may have gone

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<v Speaker 1>to her. So they began making lists and names of suspects,

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<v Speaker 1>and they had interviewed over five hundred potential suspects within

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<v Speaker 1>the first month alone.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit.

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<v Speaker 1>However, nothing came of any of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, that is so much time, hey, that they're

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<v Speaker 2>spending on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, they invested a lot into this case.

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<v Speaker 2>But I also know, like, I'm just like, who the

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<v Speaker 2>hell would do this to Nancy? Because she just sounded

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<v Speaker 2>such like he's just such an awesome person.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not wrong she was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So at first I was like, oh, man, the fiance,

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm thinking, you know, he got ruled out. But

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<v Speaker 2>if it was him, they would have probably been able

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<v Speaker 2>to figure it.

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<v Speaker 1>Out, most likely, but they definitely ruled him out. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>November seventh, police released a sketch to the public. Along

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<v Speaker 1>with the sketch was a written description that read quote.

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<v Speaker 1>The department described a man as five feet nine inches

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<v Speaker 1>tall and weighing about one hundred and seventy pounds. He

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<v Speaker 1>has about twenty five years old and has dark brown

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<v Speaker 1>hair worn in what is described as a Glen Campbell cut.

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<v Speaker 1>Residents of the area said they had seen a man

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<v Speaker 1>answering this description prowling in the neighborhood. He was in

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<v Speaker 1>a dark green Volkswagen and wore a long sleeved yellow

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<v Speaker 1>shirt and yellow slacks. And to go along with that description,

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<v Speaker 1>as I mentioned, there was a police sketch.

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<v Speaker 2>I almost was wondering if it was a female because

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<v Speaker 2>just because of the struggle, right, and then thinking that

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<v Speaker 2>Nancy maybe wasn't as strong as she was, and I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe she would have an easier time taking on another female, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But it was a male for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Well we'll touch on male female later. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to give sh it away just yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Okay, this is just they don't know for sure,

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<v Speaker 2>but this is just who they're thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, so this individual people have seen prowling the neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, this sketch and description would be the foundation for

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<v Speaker 1>the public to go on regarding this case and would

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately be used for years to come, but like every

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<v Speaker 1>other detail they have, would not play a factor in

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<v Speaker 1>any leads at all. Now, there were some other murders

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<v Speaker 1>that had occurred in the area recently, with two victims

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<v Speaker 1>being Judith Hakari and Carol Beth Hillburn. This left investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>The investigation opened to the possibility of links between these cases,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning that they had a serial killer on the loose.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever the scenario was, investigators were hard at work trying

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<v Speaker 1>to put all the pieces of the mystery together, and

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<v Speaker 1>despite their efforts, years would pass by with no breakthrough

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<v Speaker 1>in the case. It wouldn't be until two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>four when the next significant moment in the case would occur.

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<v Speaker 1>See In two thousand and four, investigators decided to input

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<v Speaker 1>that blood DNA that they collected that evidence from the

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<v Speaker 1>crime scene into codis the Combined DNA Index system. That's

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<v Speaker 1>you know where they put all the found criminals and stuff, right.

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<v Speaker 1>We often talk about the DNA database, and that's that database.

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<v Speaker 1>So this database is used to link and identify suspects

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<v Speaker 1>between as based on genetic profiles. The decision to revisit

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<v Speaker 1>the evidence was part of a broader push to solve

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<v Speaker 1>the cold case during this advancements in forensic science, because,

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<v Speaker 1>as I mentioned in the seventies, this didn't exist at all,

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<v Speaker 1>and I believe it wouldn't be until nineteen eighty six

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<v Speaker 1>when DNA profiling actually became a thing, and it would

426
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<v Speaker 1>be in its infancy for like another decade, even into

427
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<v Speaker 1>the nineties. You're like looking at barely being able to

428
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<v Speaker 1>do much, right, But now into two thousands, they're creating

429
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<v Speaker 1>this database.

430
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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

431
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<v Speaker 1>So when the DNA profile from Nancy's case was entered

432
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<v Speaker 1>into CODIS, the hope was that it would match an

433
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<v Speaker 1>existing profile in this database, either linking it to a

434
00:22:19.319 --> 00:22:23.240
<v Speaker 1>known offender or matching it to DNA from other unsolved cases,

435
00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:25.559
<v Speaker 1>and they could actually link up different murders even though

436
00:22:25.559 --> 00:22:27.119
<v Speaker 1>they don't have a suspect yet.

437
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<v Speaker 2>Right.

438
00:22:28.240 --> 00:22:30.839
<v Speaker 1>However, when they did this, there was nothing.

439
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<v Speaker 2>Oh here, I was like shit, Yeah.

440
00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:35.319
<v Speaker 1>Nope, there was nothing. There was no match. There was

441
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<v Speaker 1>nothing found in the system, which means the suspects profile

442
00:22:38.319 --> 00:22:43.400
<v Speaker 1>did not correspond to any individual already recorded in CODIS. Okay,

443
00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:48.359
<v Speaker 1>so they had a completely new DNA profile yeah put in.

444
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

445
00:22:49.559 --> 00:22:53.000
<v Speaker 1>It was disappointing. However, it still gave investigators hope because

446
00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:55.599
<v Speaker 1>it ensured that if the perpetrator's DNA profile were to

447
00:22:55.640 --> 00:22:58.519
<v Speaker 1>be added to the database later, it would be matched

448
00:22:58.599 --> 00:23:03.720
<v Speaker 1>automatically reoffended, or if they found DNA evidence linking them

449
00:23:03.720 --> 00:23:05.799
<v Speaker 1>some other way and it gets put in from another

450
00:23:05.880 --> 00:23:07.240
<v Speaker 1>case boom.

451
00:23:07.720 --> 00:23:09.960
<v Speaker 2>So it's still very helpful that it is getting put in.

452
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<v Speaker 1>There, one hundred percent. But it would be a year later,

453
00:23:13.720 --> 00:23:16.759
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and five, that homicide detective Mickey Linx

454
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<v Speaker 1>joined the investigation team and began her search for Nancy's killer.

455
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<v Speaker 1>And this is a significant moment because a number of

456
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<v Speaker 1>years would pass once again and before any new developments occurred,

457
00:23:27.400 --> 00:23:32.920
<v Speaker 1>but Detective Links would retire. However, she had developed a

458
00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:36.039
<v Speaker 1>personal connection with this case and continued to closely follow it,

459
00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:38.279
<v Speaker 1>even to the point of helping investigate it on a

460
00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:42.680
<v Speaker 1>volunteer basis. In twenty nineteen, she's retired, but she's like, no,

461
00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:45.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm solving this fucking case. And the reason this is

462
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<v Speaker 1>so fucking important is because people did not let this go.

463
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no kidding.

464
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<v Speaker 1>You have people like Detective Links who are still pushing

465
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<v Speaker 1>all the way up into their retirement to still solve

466
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<v Speaker 1>this case.

467
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<v Speaker 2>Well, it seems like a lot of detectives and police

468
00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:04.000
<v Speaker 2>officers they have like that one case. You know, yes,

469
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<v Speaker 2>for sure, they just can't. It just is on their mind, right,

470
00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:10.000
<v Speaker 2>and so I think for her especially, this was one

471
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<v Speaker 2>of them.

472
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. No, she was one hundred percent probably like that

473
00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:15.680
<v Speaker 1>and determined to help the family seek answers and figure

474
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<v Speaker 1>out what happened to Nancy. And if it weren't for

475
00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:23.599
<v Speaker 1>detectives and officers like detective Link, the connection probably never

476
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<v Speaker 1>would have been made. Yeah, okay, because by now, well

477
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<v Speaker 1>sorry this is a little bit off topic, but by

478
00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:33.519
<v Speaker 1>now Nancy's fiance, Ferris, had passed away in twenty fourteen

479
00:24:33.559 --> 00:24:36.720
<v Speaker 1>of leukemia at the age of eighty four. He unfortunately

480
00:24:36.799 --> 00:24:40.599
<v Speaker 1>would never learn who was responsible for Nancy's death. However,

481
00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:45.079
<v Speaker 1>because of these investigators pushing and pushing, the truth would

482
00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:49.079
<v Speaker 1>come to light. Now in twenty nineteen, the team working

483
00:24:49.119 --> 00:24:51.400
<v Speaker 1>to try and find the killer all these years later

484
00:24:51.519 --> 00:24:54.200
<v Speaker 1>decided they did not want to wait around any longer

485
00:24:54.559 --> 00:24:56.640
<v Speaker 1>for the DNA of the killer to suddenly find a

486
00:24:56.680 --> 00:24:59.160
<v Speaker 1>match in the system, for the system to do the work. Right,

487
00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:02.799
<v Speaker 1>We're not doing that, which is why this is so

488
00:25:02.839 --> 00:25:06.839
<v Speaker 1>important these individuals, because they made that last push. They

489
00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:09.799
<v Speaker 1>figured if they hadn't had the match by now in

490
00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:11.920
<v Speaker 1>the system, the chances were it.

491
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<v Speaker 2>Was never going to happen, right, Because the person could

492
00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:15.880
<v Speaker 2>be like deceased or whatever.

493
00:25:16.119 --> 00:25:18.480
<v Speaker 1>Yes, we're too old or disabled to even do it,

494
00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:20.759
<v Speaker 1>like you know. Yeah, so if it hadn't happened by now,

495
00:25:20.799 --> 00:25:22.880
<v Speaker 1>it's not going to. So they decided they're going to

496
00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:27.400
<v Speaker 1>do a genetic genealogy test. So, if you're unaware, genetic

497
00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:30.799
<v Speaker 1>genealogy involves using DNA from crime scenes and comparing it

498
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<v Speaker 1>to publicly available genetic information in genealogical databases. Now, these

499
00:25:36.440 --> 00:25:38.960
<v Speaker 1>databases are often used by individuals seeking to learn more

500
00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:42.440
<v Speaker 1>about their ancestry or connect with distant relatives. So basically

501
00:25:42.480 --> 00:25:45.599
<v Speaker 1>it links family DNA through heritage.

502
00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:47.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, so when you go on.

503
00:25:47.720 --> 00:25:49.039
<v Speaker 1>Something like ancestry dot.

504
00:25:48.920 --> 00:25:50.599
<v Speaker 2>Rum, Yeah, I was just going to say that it's

505
00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:51.200
<v Speaker 2>one of them.

506
00:25:51.079 --> 00:25:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, that's the same information that police are accessing.

507
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<v Speaker 1>So if your cousin is a fucking murderer and they

508
00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:02.480
<v Speaker 1>have his DNA but he thinks he gets away with it,

509
00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:05.039
<v Speaker 1>and you go on ancestry dot com and put your

510
00:26:05.119 --> 00:26:08.359
<v Speaker 1>DNA in, they may be able to link that DNA

511
00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:11.160
<v Speaker 1>through you and find that that your cousin the fucking murderer.

512
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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Hey yeah, see I've never been too keen on

513
00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:18.200
<v Speaker 2>those things, but I like I'm pretty sure my sister

514
00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:20.359
<v Speaker 2>has done it. So I'm like, well, I'm just doomed.

515
00:26:20.480 --> 00:26:22.079
<v Speaker 1>My don't murder anyone.

516
00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:24.200
<v Speaker 2>My stuff is already kind of in their stuff.

517
00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:28.000
<v Speaker 1>So the detectives constructed a family tree based on those

518
00:26:28.119 --> 00:26:32.000
<v Speaker 1>matches and narrowed down individuals who could be possible suspects.

519
00:26:32.440 --> 00:26:35.400
<v Speaker 1>Through this method of identifying distant relatives, they were able

520
00:26:35.440 --> 00:26:39.119
<v Speaker 1>to identify several relatives related and it took a couple

521
00:26:39.160 --> 00:26:41.400
<v Speaker 1>of years to do all this, but they finally in

522
00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:45.880
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two had confirmed a match on the DNA.

523
00:26:46.359 --> 00:26:48.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, the.

524
00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:52.799
<v Speaker 1>Match belonged to a Richard John Davis. Now, Richard was

525
00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:57.039
<v Speaker 1>a longtime Sacramento resident and would have been twenty seven

526
00:26:57.119 --> 00:26:59.599
<v Speaker 1>years old at the time of Nancy's murder. But the

527
00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:03.519
<v Speaker 1>thing was in nineteen seventy, the year Nancy was murdered.

528
00:27:04.119 --> 00:27:07.759
<v Speaker 1>Richard lived in the apartment building right across the street

529
00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:12.400
<v Speaker 1>from Nancy and would have had a complete and unobstructed

530
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:15.319
<v Speaker 1>view into her apartment through her balcony.

531
00:27:15.640 --> 00:27:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, okay, yeah, did they know each other or

532
00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:24.480
<v Speaker 2>just that just that? Oh man, Okay, that makes it

533
00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:25.599
<v Speaker 2>like worse. Yeah.

534
00:27:25.720 --> 00:27:28.599
<v Speaker 1>Investigators believe Richard may have been watching Nancy for a

535
00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:32.119
<v Speaker 1>while and potentially stalking her as well.

536
00:27:32.319 --> 00:27:35.759
<v Speaker 2>Holy, So it wasn't that someone just hated her.

537
00:27:36.519 --> 00:27:39.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh gosh, we had someone obsessed with her?

538
00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:42.680
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Oh okay, I was not expecting that.

539
00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:44.759
<v Speaker 1>No, which almost makes it worse.

540
00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

541
00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Now, Richard didn't have a violent criminal history, but did

542
00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:53.640
<v Speaker 1>have several DUIs, which is common with individuals who suffered

543
00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:57.720
<v Speaker 1>from alcoholism, and Richard certainly did because though this case

544
00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:01.960
<v Speaker 1>was now solved, Richard had died in nineteen ninety seven

545
00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:05.559
<v Speaker 1>at the age of fifty four from complications of alcoholism.

546
00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:09.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, I imagine too, what he did to Nancy would just

547
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:12.119
<v Speaker 2>haunt him, you would think, for the rest of his life.

548
00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:15.640
<v Speaker 1>Hopefully that's hope anyway, anyone with a fucking conscience, yes,

549
00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:18.680
<v Speaker 1>but an individual who's capable of doing this probably doesn't

550
00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:20.440
<v Speaker 1>have one and probably doesn't care anyways.

551
00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:23.640
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm just wondering if he did this to other people,

552
00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:25.319
<v Speaker 2>If it was just Nancy though, and he's like, oh

553
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:27.079
<v Speaker 2>I fucked up. Maybe that made him drink more.

554
00:28:27.559 --> 00:28:31.160
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's possible. But I mean, as far as the

555
00:28:31.720 --> 00:28:34.519
<v Speaker 1>DNA profiling and everything goes, I don't believe his His

556
00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:37.119
<v Speaker 1>DNA's been linked to any other crimes, not to say

557
00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:39.960
<v Speaker 1>he hasn't committed and not left behind the DNA, right,

558
00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:42.640
<v Speaker 1>but as far as I'm aware, this is the only

559
00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:46.799
<v Speaker 1>crime he has been linked to, of course, out other

560
00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:49.160
<v Speaker 1>than his DUIs. Yeah, which is a crime. It's just

561
00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:50.279
<v Speaker 1>not a fucking murder, you know.

562
00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:53.039
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, yeah it's not. It's bad, but not quite

563
00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:55.680
<v Speaker 2>to think it's not this bad. Yeah, it can kill

564
00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:58.720
<v Speaker 2>people still though, right, definitely it can.

565
00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:01.920
<v Speaker 1>Now fifty two years after Richard had killed Nancy in

566
00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:05.039
<v Speaker 1>her apartment, the case was finally closed. It was solved.

567
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:07.720
<v Speaker 1>They knew who did it. However, what we will never

568
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:10.680
<v Speaker 1>know is what exactly happened on that fateful night in

569
00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:15.559
<v Speaker 1>Nancy's apartment. Investigators believe that, as I mentioned, Richard was

570
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:19.720
<v Speaker 1>watching her through her balcony in her apartment. In doing so,

571
00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:21.559
<v Speaker 1>he would have been familiar with her habit of leaving

572
00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:23.759
<v Speaker 1>the sliding door open slightly for her cat to come

573
00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:28.039
<v Speaker 1>and go freely. One night, for whatever reason, he decided

574
00:29:28.039 --> 00:29:30.039
<v Speaker 1>he was going to take advantage of this and make

575
00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:33.440
<v Speaker 1>his way into her apartment. Under the cover of darkness,

576
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:36.599
<v Speaker 1>Richard climbed up to the second floor balcony where Nancy

577
00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:40.400
<v Speaker 1>lived and silently entered as she slept and after Ferris

578
00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:44.000
<v Speaker 1>had left for the night. From there, the attack ensued.

579
00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Police never released whether Nancy was sexually assaulted, but it's

580
00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:50.759
<v Speaker 1>likely she was sleeping in her underwear when the attack occurred,

581
00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:54.559
<v Speaker 1>which is why that's how she was dressed. From there,

582
00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:56.720
<v Speaker 1>she was able to put up enough of a fight

583
00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:00.440
<v Speaker 1>that Richard fled the scene after killing her in order

584
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:03.400
<v Speaker 1>to care for his own wounds. If you ask me,

585
00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:07.119
<v Speaker 1>he intended to sexually assault her one hundred percent, But

586
00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:09.279
<v Speaker 1>Nancy put up a fight and never gave him the

587
00:30:09.319 --> 00:30:10.319
<v Speaker 1>fucking chance to.

588
00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:14.559
<v Speaker 2>So, Okay, so you're almost thinking he didn't even necessarily

589
00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:16.440
<v Speaker 2>intend to or intend to kill her.

590
00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:23.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean I think he did. Like I think he

591
00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:25.839
<v Speaker 1>came into the apartment thinking he was going to sexually

592
00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:29.119
<v Speaker 1>assault her at knife point or whatever, right, or maybe

593
00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:30.319
<v Speaker 1>he was going to kill her, And maybe there's a

594
00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:33.000
<v Speaker 1>necrophilia aspect to it. I don't know, But he came

595
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:37.079
<v Speaker 1>in to attack her with the intent of a sexual

596
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:38.079
<v Speaker 1>act to occur.

597
00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:40.200
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, if he was obsessed with her right and

598
00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:41.640
<v Speaker 2>stopping her and stuff.

599
00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:44.599
<v Speaker 1>Now, maybe her fighting back is what angered him, and

600
00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:47.920
<v Speaker 1>he and her injuring him angered him even more, and

601
00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:50.880
<v Speaker 1>that took him to take out anger on her dead body.

602
00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:54.359
<v Speaker 1>And then he's getting tired. He's bleeding like that can

603
00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:57.640
<v Speaker 1>cause person to black out very easily, right, and from

604
00:30:57.640 --> 00:30:59.960
<v Speaker 1>there he can't stick around anymore, and he's got.

605
00:30:59.880 --> 00:31:04.720
<v Speaker 2>A jet And meanwhile, the next day he's just watching,

606
00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:09.240
<v Speaker 2>probably again from his fucking apartment, her body being found

607
00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:09.599
<v Speaker 2>in shit.

608
00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:12.440
<v Speaker 1>Now, Richard actually was originally interviewed within one of those

609
00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:13.559
<v Speaker 1>within those five hundred people.

610
00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh oh my gosh.

611
00:31:16.039 --> 00:31:18.720
<v Speaker 1>Really yes, but there was never a connection made.

612
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:22.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh dang, so they even had him.

613
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:24.880
<v Speaker 1>Well, they were just they were interviewing like people in

614
00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:27.200
<v Speaker 1>the apartment complex and the one next door. Did you

615
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:30.480
<v Speaker 1>see anything? Yeah, like it was most likely a random interview.

616
00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:34.400
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, exactly, but they were actually talking to the killer.

617
00:31:34.519 --> 00:31:41.519
<v Speaker 2>They were yep, oh okay, huh wow. That's this is terrifying,

618
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:44.839
<v Speaker 2>I know, the fact that he just was watching her

619
00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:46.599
<v Speaker 2>and shit, yep wow.

620
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:51.279
<v Speaker 1>But that's the story of Nancy Marie Benelek fifty two

621
00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:51.880
<v Speaker 1>years later.

622
00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:55.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, thank goodness. But also it does kind

623
00:31:55.720 --> 00:32:00.519
<v Speaker 2>of seem like a bummer too that. I mean, the

624
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:04.680
<v Speaker 2>attacker wasn't a lot is still not alive. And then

625
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:07.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm wondering how much of Nancy's family is even alive,

626
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:11.000
<v Speaker 2>you know. So it's it almost seems like it's quite

627
00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:15.559
<v Speaker 2>a burden too for this fucker's family, right they now

628
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:18.119
<v Speaker 2>just like know that I don't know if he had

629
00:32:18.200 --> 00:32:20.559
<v Speaker 2>kids or whatever, that he's just a fucking nasty piece

630
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:20.920
<v Speaker 2>of shit.

631
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:25.079
<v Speaker 1>I do know that Nancy had a sister and a

632
00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:27.599
<v Speaker 1>brother in law, and they're the ones who kind of

633
00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:30.599
<v Speaker 1>spoke a bit about who Nancy was and okay, and

634
00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:33.640
<v Speaker 1>they were actually present during the press conference when they

635
00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:37.839
<v Speaker 1>announced Okay, this was solved. He's been confirmed in the

636
00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:38.599
<v Speaker 1>as the killer.

637
00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:41.759
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well that's good for them then that they had

638
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<v Speaker 2>that right, that.

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<v Speaker 1>They have that closure. Yeaheah for sure. So yeah, when

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<v Speaker 1>I found this case, I was like, fuck, yeah, fifty

641
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<v Speaker 1>two years. If it wasn't for those investigators who made

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<v Speaker 1>that last push of let's not wait, let's be proactive,

643
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<v Speaker 1>we still wouldn't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean yeah, it's kind of it's interesting too

645
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<v Speaker 2>that all this stuff is out there now where you

646
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<v Speaker 2>can submit your own DNA and stuff, right, like we

647
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<v Speaker 2>can talk about that for so long.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, No, there's there's many levels to that because

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<v Speaker 1>people also suspect like the government being involved and monitoring.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've heard that before.

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<v Speaker 1>There's lots of different things that people can converse about

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<v Speaker 1>and theorize regarding it. But the one thing we do

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<v Speaker 1>know is that whether there are negative side effects you

654
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<v Speaker 1>doing it, there are positive ones, and we just we

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<v Speaker 1>know it right here.

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<v Speaker 2>First, Well, yeah, if you have nothing to worry about, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>and I say that earlier, I was like, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>submitting it. I don't have anything to worry about. But

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<v Speaker 2>I mean too, if you had a cousin that's a complete,

660
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<v Speaker 2>like nasty motherfucker, you would want them to find this

661
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<v Speaker 2>person too, right, Yeah, So sure, there you go. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, maybe it has some benefits too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, okay, Well, thank you for being here. Hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>enjoyed that. Hopefully you are back on track with us.

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<v Speaker 1>After Halloween week, we want to know about specifically, are

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<v Speaker 1>your Halloeen decorations still up?

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<v Speaker 2>Are your Christmas decorations?

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<v Speaker 1>Are your Christmas decorations now up? We want to know

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<v Speaker 1>which side you're on. Are you on the team Halloween?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you on team Christmas? I do know here in

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<v Speaker 1>Canada we have novemberance Novemberance Day Remembrance Day here in November.

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<v Speaker 1>So many people argue that you shouldn't put Christmas decorations

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<v Speaker 1>up until after that to give you know, veterans that

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<v Speaker 1>time of respect. Yeah, but regardless, we want to know

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<v Speaker 1>where your head's at, So shoot us a message, let

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<v Speaker 1>us know we'd love to hear it, and until next time,

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<v Speaker 1>stay wicked,