Speaker 1: You created everything. Look put a powerful being you are.
Speaker 2: You did these things, but now you're in a human body.
Speaker 1: You forget the power you have.
Speaker 3: What you do is what the whole universe is doing
Speaker 3: at the place you call here, and now you are
Speaker 3: something the whole universe is doing, in the same way
Speaker 3: that a way is something that the whole ocean is doing.
Speaker 2: You're doing, You're doing what you imagination. Welcome to Mata Mysteries,
Speaker 2: where you don't know what you don't know. My name's Jonathan,
Speaker 2: I'm shown in. Today is going to be a fun show.
Speaker 1: Sean.
Speaker 2: We are getting into the orphic egg. I'm actually surprised
Speaker 2: we haven't talked about this yet.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I think you have mentioned it before,
Speaker 4: but I know nothing about this thing. You know, you
Speaker 4: look at it and it's like, okay, I think I
Speaker 4: might have seen this thing before, you know, and just
Speaker 4: in passing. But I'm really interested just to kind of
Speaker 4: see the meaning and what it all holds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, dude, it's actually deeply symbolic. And that's what
Speaker 2: we're gonna be getting around today. This is like mystery
Speaker 2: school shit. Just so everybody knows. And that's what I've
Speaker 2: been We've been trying to do a lot more like
Speaker 2: mystery school kind of things and understanding the ideology, understanding
Speaker 2: the philosophy, understanding the gnostic understanding, and the deeper meaning
Speaker 2: entrenched within literature and symbolism and stuff like that, and
Speaker 2: really trying to become ourselves initiated.
Speaker 4: You know, well, I think ultimately that's what it is. Really,
Speaker 4: it's a story of us, you know, and if nothing else,
Speaker 4: even though you know the meaning of certain things maybe
Speaker 4: back then wasn't exactly accurate, it's still interesting to see
Speaker 4: kind of where we've come from, and you know, the
Speaker 4: certain things that were revered back in the day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. And I just love these these
Speaker 2: deeper realms of thought that people go into. Dude, imagine
Speaker 2: like back in the day. And you know what, I
Speaker 2: just had this thought recently. I was like, man, how
Speaker 2: awesome would it have been to been like an ancient
Speaker 2: like Greek philosopher or something like that, and that's just
Speaker 2: what you do all day, you just philosophize. And I
Speaker 2: was like, well, I mean, wait a second, that's that's
Speaker 2: what you do. That's what we're doing right now.
Speaker 4: There are certain days, man, where I mean most days probably,
Speaker 4: but there are certain days where I'll be at work
Speaker 4: and you know, I'm doing my job, but a lot
Speaker 4: of it doesn't take like a whole lot of my
Speaker 4: my brain. You know, I can do it with my
Speaker 4: eyes closed at this point. And so all day long,
Speaker 4: that's all I want to think about, is to the
Speaker 4: deeper shit. And when people want to have a conversation
Speaker 4: about some stuff like football or whatever. Nothing against you know,
Speaker 4: people that like football or anything like that, but I
Speaker 4: like it seems like lately I only want to talk
Speaker 4: about the deepest shit, the most meaningful stuff. You know,
Speaker 4: as you said before we started recording that it's like
Speaker 4: we're on the back night. It's time to really start
Speaker 4: making some sense with some shit. Yeah, yeah, for sure,
Speaker 4: And that's something.
Speaker 2: And don't get me wrong, I love football too, But
Speaker 2: ninety nine percent of my day, whenever I go into
Speaker 2: deep thought, it is trying to crack the code of
Speaker 2: what are we doing here? What is the meaning of
Speaker 2: all this? And yeah, you know, uncovering a lot of
Speaker 2: the ancient people like what they used to theorize and
Speaker 2: philosophize and try and come to somewhat of an understanding.
Speaker 2: And so today I thought, man, I was actually, I
Speaker 2: was flipping through the pages of The Secret Teachings of
Speaker 2: All Ages by Manly P. Hall, and you would, you know, so,
Speaker 2: I mean just a regular day. And I was like,
Speaker 2: because you know, we've we've when we first started the show,
Speaker 2: we were we did a couple episodes on some of
Speaker 2: the chapters in that book, and we got to like
Speaker 2: a couple of them, we were like, I don't even
Speaker 2: understand what that he's saying right now, you know. And
Speaker 2: and I was like, I wonder if we can understand
Speaker 2: it a little bit more nowadays.
Speaker 4: I think I'm almost certain that we can at least
Speaker 4: understand fifty percent more than we did when we tried.
Speaker 1: Back in the day. For sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think we did an okay job,
Speaker 4: you know, up until the point that we got and
Speaker 4: once we got to a certain point, it was like okay,
Speaker 4: but we clearly just weren't ready yet.
Speaker 2: Right right, and and and so I was flipping through
Speaker 2: the pages and I was thinking, oh, that's cool. There's
Speaker 2: one on like sacred minerals and other sacred geometry and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. And then I saw something that was
Speaker 2: the orphic egg, and I was like, I've seen this
Speaker 2: symbol before. I've heard I've heard of it, I've read
Speaker 2: about it, but I don't really know the deeply entrenched
Speaker 2: symbolism because and for anybody doesn't know it is it
Speaker 2: is an egg that has a snake wrapped around it.
Speaker 2: You've you've seen that symbol before and probably many of
Speaker 2: different ways, to be honest, you know.
Speaker 1: Or even the staff.
Speaker 4: I mean, I know this isn't the same symbol, but
Speaker 4: the staff with the serpent wrapped around in it, there's
Speaker 4: something really deeply entrench with that, the concept of this
Speaker 4: serpent wrapping around something. But the orthic egg in general,
Speaker 4: I mean, it's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 2: Well, it's the I mean, that staff is the caduces,
Speaker 2: and that's the medical caduces really and and so there's
Speaker 2: always seems to be some kind of snake and I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know, we've done I think we've touched on snake
Speaker 2: symbolism and stuff like that. Today it's I think it's
Speaker 2: going to bring it full circle as far as what
Speaker 2: the snake could symbolize across all different snake symbolism, but
Speaker 2: especially within the orphic egg snake symbolism as well. And it's, dude,
Speaker 2: it's going to get you excited in your toonies.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, man, I'm filling the tingle already.
Speaker 2: Take us there, man, all right, So imagine, before the
Speaker 2: universe existed, there was silence, no stars, no planets, no light,
Speaker 2: only darkness and infinite potential. Out of this void floated
Speaker 2: a single shining egg, the container of all that ever
Speaker 2: was and all that ever would be. When it cracked,
Speaker 2: light burst forth, and creation itself was born. This is
Speaker 2: the story of the orphic Egg, a symbol that has
Speaker 2: traveled through time, mystery schools, and esoteric teachings to represent
Speaker 2: not just the origin of the cosmos, but also also
Speaker 2: the awakening of the soul within you. Today we'll dive
Speaker 2: into this deep ancient mystery, the myths, the meanings, and
Speaker 2: the mystical parallels hidden inside the shell of the cosmic egg.
Speaker 2: All right, all right, you're excited for this.
Speaker 1: Oh oh man, annoy you.
Speaker 2: Okay, So before we do that, I want to show
Speaker 2: the actual picture in the book. And I took a picture.
Speaker 2: This is my own picture right here that I took
Speaker 2: of the book of the Cosmic Egg, out of the
Speaker 2: secret teaching and uh and it just says it right here,
Speaker 2: And this is going to make you excited, all right.
Speaker 2: The meaning of the orthic of the orphic egg according
Speaker 2: to mainly p Hall and everything that he was able
Speaker 2: to gather, all right, So the or the orphic egg,
Speaker 2: it says, the ancient symbol of the orphic mysteries was
Speaker 2: the serpent entwined egg, which signified cosmos as encircled by
Speaker 2: the fiery creative spirit. The egg also represents the soul
Speaker 2: of the philosopher. So the egg represents the soul of
Speaker 2: the philosopher, right, okay, the serpent represents the mysteries. Hmmm,
Speaker 2: isn't that interesting?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Okay, it says, at the time of initiation, the shell
Speaker 2: is broken and man emerges from the embryotic state of
Speaker 2: physical existence, wherein he had remained through the fetal period
Speaker 2: of philosophic regeneration, selfic regeneration. All right, all right, this
Speaker 2: is a like a reborn kind of situation going on here.
Speaker 2: That essentially what they're saying here with this, at least,
Speaker 2: what the orphix used to say is that until that
Speaker 2: snake wraps itself so hard around the egg, that is you,
Speaker 2: you are a child. Yeah, I mean not a literal,
Speaker 2: you know, human child, but a child as far as
Speaker 2: your understanding of the cosmos in existence in general, and
Speaker 2: once that egg starts to crack, then what is born
Speaker 2: is now you initiated on the other side, understanding the
Speaker 2: mysteries to a greater extent.
Speaker 4: Or could it be even not even just understanding it,
Speaker 4: but just looking into it and really trying to figure
Speaker 4: it out.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: You're not within the egg stuck in your way, stuck
Speaker 4: in how you think things are.
Speaker 1: And then when it cracks and you come.
Speaker 4: Out, now you're starting to really look into how things
Speaker 4: really are, you know, yes, I mean just my interpretation
Speaker 4: for example.
Speaker 2: And and just to take this a little bit farther
Speaker 2: as far as the here let me stop sharing now
Speaker 2: real quick, as far as the uh what was it called?
Speaker 2: The shit? Well, I just had a thought and I
Speaker 2: totally lost it. Oh I'm sorry. Here we go, So
Speaker 2: as far as the even like the Freemasons, for example, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: so you have thirty three degrees of freemasonry, not all
Speaker 2: not all forms of freemasonry. They have Scottish right, and
Speaker 2: a bunch of different types or a bunch of different types, right,
Speaker 2: But within the freemasonry that everybody is you know aware
Speaker 2: of you have thirty three levels to it, right, and
Speaker 2: that's why they say the highest you can go is
Speaker 2: a thirty third to thirty third degree Mason. Well, the
Speaker 2: symbolism of thirty three is interesting, right, because you got
Speaker 2: thirty three vertebrate to the human spine. Jesus lived till
Speaker 2: he was thirty three.
Speaker 4: Or thirty four. That's kind of like of debate, I think,
Speaker 4: But anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe thirty three point three or something, who knows.
Speaker 2: But also what's going What happens at thirty three is
Speaker 2: that ice melts to water at thirty three degrees? Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: because it's a solid form at thirty two or up
Speaker 2: to thirty two, and then the thirty third degree, you're
Speaker 2: no longer frozen in time, You're no longer stuck in
Speaker 2: that orfic egg. The egg starts to break, the ice
Speaker 2: starts to break at that point, right, And so just symbolically,
Speaker 2: thirty three is hugely symbolically, Yeah, hugely symbolically. It's big thing,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Interesting?
Speaker 2: So all right, so I just wanted to show that
Speaker 2: picture and also wanted to give a little shout out
Speaker 2: to our boy Ronnie Pontiac. We we don't I believe
Speaker 2: just a few days ago where we released a throwback
Speaker 2: episode and we didn't want to, but you know, scheduling
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff, and we were like,
Speaker 2: all right, if it's going to be a throwback episode,
Speaker 2: we gotta do the Ronnie Pontiac episode because that guy
Speaker 2: was on something, especially being especially being the understudy of
Speaker 2: Manly p Hall like nobody else in it something like
Speaker 2: nobody else in history could ever say that.
Speaker 1: Right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I still can't even believe we got him on the show,
Speaker 4: Like it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was awesome and had great hair.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, amazing.
Speaker 2: So so yeah, that's the orphic Egg. Now we're going
Speaker 2: to get into a little bit more orphism ultimately, you
Speaker 2: know where the orphic egg comes from. Orphism is a
Speaker 2: mystical Greek tradition. So orphism was an esoteric religious movement
Speaker 2: in ancient Greece, rooted in the teachings attributed to the
Speaker 2: mythical poet Orpheus. Unlike the popular Olympian religion of zeus
Speaker 2: Hera and the Rest, orphism was concerned with the soul's journey,
Speaker 2: purification and the eventual return to the divine. It had initiations,
Speaker 2: sacred hymns and secret cosmologies that weren't for the masses,
Speaker 2: but for the seekers of hidden knowledge. Already, you're like,
Speaker 2: all right, this is as mystery school as it gets right.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 5: Ye.
Speaker 2: At the heart of orphic myth is a creation story
Speaker 2: that does doesn't begin with chaos ruled by Gaya and
Speaker 2: Urinus like Hesiod's theogeny, but with a primordial egg. This
Speaker 2: is a striking departure from mainstream Greek thought. It immediately
Speaker 2: sets orphism apart as a mystical current, mystical current emphasizing unity,
Speaker 2: hidden potential in the divine emanation rather than brute force
Speaker 2: and divine conquest. The orphic egg is in this sense
Speaker 2: a teaching device. It doesn't just tell where we come from,
Speaker 2: but where the soul is destined to return. Like the
Speaker 2: mystery initiations themselves, the egg suggests a hidden truth waiting
Speaker 2: to be cracked open by the initiate, its own spiritual awakening.
Speaker 4: I just love stuff like this. It's awesome, dude. It
Speaker 4: seems familiar though it do so.
Speaker 2: Then we get to the birth of the cosmic egg.
Speaker 2: The cosmic egg, the orphic egg, dude, there is ending
Speaker 2: research for this episode. I was shocked at the amount
Speaker 2: of egg symbolism all throughout history and and by the way,
Speaker 2: the uh so, there's been like a lot of UFO
Speaker 2: whistleblowers and stuff like that lately, right, and the most
Speaker 2: recent one was Jake Barber who talked about dude, he
Speaker 2: himself was the helicopter pilot that picked up a egg UFO.
Speaker 1: Oh really, so we're.
Speaker 2: Gonna be getting into a little bit of that too,
Speaker 2: because could we be talking about the same thing. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I'm just saying, maybe there's some symbolism there.
Speaker 4: Any chance we get to talk about aliens, dude, I
Speaker 4: know we don't even do it enough, but it's it's
Speaker 4: really the one thing that got me into really trying
Speaker 4: to look into.
Speaker 1: What what else is out there? What's going on? You know?
Speaker 1: And so yeah, we got to get into aliens a
Speaker 1: little bit more, I think, yes.
Speaker 2: So, according to orfic cosmogony, before the egg, there was Kronos,
Speaker 2: which was time, and a nake, which is necessity. These
Speaker 2: two eternal principles swirled in the darkness until from their
Speaker 2: union a silver cosmic egg emerged. The egg itself floated
Speaker 2: in chaos, a vessel of infinite potential. When it finally cracked,
Speaker 2: light bursted forth, and from within emerged Fanes p H
Speaker 2: A N E S. I don't know if that's how
Speaker 2: you say it, but that's how it looks. Fanes, which
Speaker 2: is the androgenists, radiant first born god.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, like the og, that's that's what it says.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so not necessarily literal in that sense, but just
Speaker 2: you know, we'll understand it a little bit more the
Speaker 2: more we read. So, Fane's name means to bring light
Speaker 2: or to reveal, which is interesting because I already know
Speaker 2: what the Christians are going to be saying about that.
Speaker 2: Oh he's androgenousts and he's a light bringer.
Speaker 1: You mean.
Speaker 2: The devil or Lucifer or Beel's abub, you know with
Speaker 2: the uh with the two fingers up and the two
Speaker 2: fingers down. Meanwhile, that dude, you know, the Bapha met,
Speaker 2: the Bappha met that everybody's aware with, with the two
Speaker 2: fingers up and two fingers down, with the you know,
Speaker 2: the horns and the boobs and everything that wasn't even
Speaker 2: created until the eighteen hundreds. Oh really, yeah, that's not Oh,
Speaker 2: it's not real.
Speaker 1: Oh okay.
Speaker 2: People people are just like, see, that's it's Bapha met symbology.
Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, the Bapha Met wasn't even like, yeah,
Speaker 2: the Baha Met name had been talked about, but that
Speaker 2: picture that you're referring to not even close. It's that
Speaker 2: is that is a cult. That is a cult Baphomet.
Speaker 2: That's not the same thing, right, So anyway, I know
Speaker 2: that people are gonna fight me over that, but that's fine.
Speaker 2: So anyway, Fane's name means to bring light or to reveal,
Speaker 2: which I find just did not even go off topic again,
Speaker 2: But I find it so fascinating how people are like, ooy,
Speaker 2: he's going to be revealing. He's on a shed light
Speaker 2: on something, He's going to illuminate. It's like, and that's
Speaker 2: a bad thing you want you want to live in
Speaker 2: not understanding, Like I'm sorry, Like me personally, I have
Speaker 2: a thirst, Like I have such a thirst to understand
Speaker 2: what we're doing here that I can't just be like
Speaker 2: I'm blindly faithful, I will do as No, I can't
Speaker 2: accept that, like if there is a way to try
Speaker 2: and understand now, I mean we all of course, a
Speaker 2: lot of this information it's just it's contemplation, That's all
Speaker 2: it is. And which is you know, the it's it's
Speaker 2: the belly of philosophy is contemplation, I would say.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, And I think the only real danger of
Speaker 4: it if if at all you know is you can
Speaker 4: you could probably spiral at some point. I'm sure the
Speaker 4: mind is very powerful, you know, and so it could
Speaker 4: take you to a place of you know, maybe you
Speaker 4: feel like you're losing your mind because you're just constantly
Speaker 4: absorbing more and more and you don't really know when
Speaker 4: to stop the spinning, you know.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I'm right there with you, man.
Speaker 4: I feel like if there's something that I don't know,
Speaker 4: I want to know, and we come across a lot
Speaker 4: of things that maybe we'll never know, but I still
Speaker 4: can't help but ponder.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and that's the thing is that I feel like
Speaker 2: you can get lost in just about any realm of thought. Really.
Speaker 2: Think about Pythagoras, he had a number cult. He was
Speaker 2: just obsessed with numbers and a bunch of orgies and
Speaker 2: crazy stuff. But there, and that's actually the Orphics were
Speaker 2: actually heavy into orgies as well. But we're not going
Speaker 2: to go there, right because I don't believe in throwing
Speaker 2: the baby out with the bathwater. I think that there's
Speaker 2: you know, there's a good information even in the darkest
Speaker 2: corners of every back alley, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But I just I don't know, let's keep going, because
Speaker 2: I just wanted to throw that out there, that people
Speaker 2: are so quick to assume that something is demonic or
Speaker 2: evil just whenever they see such terms as light bringer
Speaker 2: or light bearer or knowledge bringer or Sophie. And meanwhile,
Speaker 2: all these things are just trying to are just trying to,
Speaker 2: you know, distill wisdom and understanding to you, and somehow
Speaker 2: that's a bad thing. I just never understood that.
Speaker 4: Ultimately, it's just something different, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: That's what that's really why it's bad, you know, in
Speaker 4: their ice, I.
Speaker 2: Think, right right, So, your boy Fanes his name meant
Speaker 2: to bring light, or to reveal. He was crowned, winged, radiant,
Speaker 2: and carried the scepter of authority. He was the ordering
Speaker 2: principle of the cosmos, the divine light that transforms chaos
Speaker 2: into creation. This story reflects a deep symbolic truth, before
Speaker 2: any manifestation, before any thought, before any quote unquote you,
Speaker 2: there is potential waiting to emerge. The breaking of the
Speaker 2: egg is the birth of consciousness itself. It mirrors both
Speaker 2: the creation of the universe and the spark of awareness
Speaker 2: awakening with than the human being there.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: Yep, that's evil though, you know that in all of them.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I gotta dig sometimes I gotta dig. So
Speaker 2: Fanes the first born, I hope I'm saying that right.
Speaker 2: I'm sure I'm not. But Fanes is a fascinating figure,
Speaker 2: often conflated with Eros, which is love, or even Dionysus
Speaker 2: in later orphic traditions. Dionysus I believe was the wine god.
Speaker 2: Oh I think so. We we haven't really touched on
Speaker 2: too much Greek and stuff like.
Speaker 1: That, we did. I have a hard time remembering all
Speaker 1: of these entities, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just know Dionysus because that's like, uh, for
Speaker 2: Marti Gras. A lot of people have Dionysus floats and
Speaker 2: Marti Gras you're getting drunk. So people know that one.
Speaker 2: So like the wine or the liquor god or something.
Speaker 2: So as the being who emerges from the cosmic egg,
Speaker 2: Fanes represents the very first differentiation light from dark unity.
Speaker 2: Into multiple implicity. Depictions of Fanes often show him surrounded
Speaker 2: by the zodiac will, emphasizing his role as the ordering
Speaker 2: force of time and cosmic harmony. His androgyny reflects unity
Speaker 2: before division, a being who contains both masculine and feminine,
Speaker 2: night and day, spirit and matter. Through Fanes, the gods
Speaker 2: themselves are born. Zeus later swallows Fanes to absorb his
Speaker 2: creative power, then recreates the world. Holy shit, that's crazy, right,
Speaker 2: I never heard that before. That's my first time hearing
Speaker 2: that one too. Yeah, So the message is clear. Fanes
Speaker 2: is not just the light of creation, but the very
Speaker 2: principle of divine intelligence that permeates all. Without him, nothing
Speaker 2: could exist, and through him all things are revealed. So
Speaker 2: you see, like through all of theology, there is always
Speaker 2: a main creator being who nobody could ever be like,
Speaker 2: and everything from him comes creation. This is a philosophical understanding.
Speaker 2: Nobody believes that Zeus is a real god. Okay, I'm sure,
Speaker 2: but even back in the Greek times, these were symbols,
Speaker 2: and I believe the same thing goes for for Egypt.
Speaker 2: I could be wrong, but I just believe that the Egyptians,
Speaker 2: the Greeks everybody knew that these things were just representatives
Speaker 2: to try and describe something not necessarily yeah, not necessarily
Speaker 2: a physical being, like even the same within Hinduism. Like
Speaker 2: these people I don't believe are like believing that Shiva
Speaker 2: is an actual deity in the sky. You know, they
Speaker 2: understand the symbolism behind what Shiva represents.
Speaker 4: Right, rather more so just the creation and destruction of
Speaker 4: of just this natural eternal world we seem to.
Speaker 2: Be in, right, And you can, you know, you can
Speaker 2: meditate upon the spirit or the essence of said deity
Speaker 2: or whatever, right right, and you can even try and
Speaker 2: connect with that spirit in a sense. But to say
Speaker 2: that these were beings that walked on earth, do I
Speaker 2: believe that literally Zeus plucked out his own eye in
Speaker 2: order to have access to all the wisdom, which ultimately
Speaker 2: led to him finding all the runes and stuff like that. No,
Speaker 2: I really don't. But I love the symbolism behind it.
Speaker 2: I love everything it is encoded into the story. People
Speaker 2: get so like, people get so stuck in was this
Speaker 2: real or is this mythical? Because if it's mythical, then
Speaker 2: then I'm not going to listen to it. I'm like, No,
Speaker 2: the myth is what you should be listening to to
Speaker 2: try and understand what they're trying to say, because it's
Speaker 2: encoded through story.
Speaker 4: That is what myth is, right, And I think when
Speaker 4: it comes to myth, you have to almost already believe
Speaker 4: it in order to start really seeing it and feeling it,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, internally, And so that's when
Speaker 4: it gets it's a little bit a little bit complicated.
Speaker 4: Anything that you really look into and you really want
Speaker 4: to believe it, you can really trick yourself into believing it,
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 2: But even whenever you believe it, you know what you're
Speaker 2: basically what's going on. And this is just my understanding.
Speaker 2: I'm not the knowwherre of everything. Obviously, we are we are.
Speaker 2: We will never confuse ourselves as teachers by any means.
Speaker 1: You will forever be students due exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I think that what is going on with
Speaker 2: that is that it's it's all just meant to be
Speaker 2: symbolic that even if you are somebody that believes without
Speaker 2: a shadow of a doubt the literal interpretation of these things,
Speaker 2: what that is doing is that that is speaking that
Speaker 2: knowledge and understanding and that vibration to every single one
Speaker 2: of your cells, right, and every single one of your
Speaker 2: cells will now believe in Zeus, will now believe in Jesus,
Speaker 2: will now believe in name your deity, mythras whatever. Right,
Speaker 2: And you're just trying to essentially innate with that frequency
Speaker 2: of that belief of that of that character.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, so your mind thinks that it's absolutely real.
Speaker 2: It must be real. Zeus is up there, he's throwing
Speaker 2: down lightning bolts, right. Meanwhile, the rest of your body
Speaker 2: doesn't really care if you're being literal or not. It
Speaker 2: believes it, so it's reacting with it in that sense,
Speaker 2: I think, is what's going on. I love that explanation. Actually,
Speaker 2: that was good. That was great, Thank you sir. And
Speaker 2: I could be wrong. That's just my own understanding of it.
Speaker 2: That being said, the egg as a symbol of unity.
Speaker 2: The egg itself is one of the most ancient symbols
Speaker 2: of unity and potential. Before it cracks, it holds everything
Speaker 2: together in wholeness, the yolk, the white, and the shell.
Speaker 2: It's a single container of multiplicity. This reflects the idea
Speaker 2: of the ploroma or fullness that Gnostics later taught. So
Speaker 2: that's like the the fullness of God was the pleroroma
Speaker 2: before if you want to put a big bang spin
Speaker 2: to it or whatever. Before the Big Bang, that was
Speaker 2: just the tiny.
Speaker 1: Little adimation or whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 2: Right, it's the whole egg, all of everything.
Speaker 1: It condensed in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was that would be the pleroma the
Speaker 2: Gnostics talked about, which would be the undivided totality of
Speaker 2: divine before being fractured into matter.
Speaker 1: Hmm, Okay, there we go.
Speaker 2: So the cracking of the egg is not a tragedy,
Speaker 2: but a necessary process of manifestation. To create the one
Speaker 2: must become many.
Speaker 1: God.
Speaker 2: I love this stuff. It's like spiritually poetic. M you
Speaker 2: know it do? So the egg, the orphic egg, therefore,
Speaker 2: is not just a story of beginnings, but a timeless
Speaker 2: truth that wholeness exists before fragmentation, and that every act
Speaker 2: of creation is a breaking, a release of hidden potential
Speaker 2: into the world. This applies to the cosmos, to human birth,
Speaker 2: into every moment of spiritual realization.
Speaker 1: M damn, let's go baby. It is deep.
Speaker 2: So now there are cross cultural parallels as well. That
Speaker 2: you know, the orphics weren't the only one that ever
Speaker 2: talked about eggs. It appears all throughout history. Dude, yep, So,
Speaker 2: the orphic egg isn't unique to Greece. Nearly every culture's
Speaker 2: creation myths include a quote unquote cosmic egg. In Hinduism,
Speaker 2: it's the Brahmanda, the egg of Brahma from which the
Speaker 2: universe emerged. And Egyptian lure raw hatches from a primordial
Speaker 2: egg laid in the waters of Noon or None. In China,
Speaker 2: the universe was born from the cosmic egg that splits
Speaker 2: to form heaven and Earth. The recurrence of this image
Speaker 2: across cultures points to an archetypal truth embedded deep in
Speaker 2: the human psyche. The egg is the most natural symbol
Speaker 2: of life and rebirth to ancient peoples. It was the
Speaker 2: clearest metaphor for how life emerges from hidden potential. This
Speaker 2: university out, this universality. Damn, I can't say that word universality.
Speaker 2: There we go. This universality also shows that the orphic
Speaker 2: egg isn't just Greek, but part of a global spiritual memory,
Speaker 2: a symbol humanity it instinctively reaches for when trying to
Speaker 2: describe the indescribable moment when nothing became something.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm, so I've been I've been thinking about this
Speaker 4: a lot as far as a beginning or if there
Speaker 4: even was a beginning, And I'm really leaning and I
Speaker 4: think you've mentioned it before, but I am kind of
Speaker 4: leaning towards the fact that it just kind of always
Speaker 4: has been, you know, like just this infinite regress if
Speaker 4: you will.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, And and I don't mean that, you know,
Speaker 2: whenever I say that in my own in my own mind,
Speaker 2: because I was thinking about this earlier today too, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that necessarily if the word trying
Speaker 2: to describe physicality, you know, the physical world, because they
Speaker 2: say that the physical material world is actually emerging from consciousness,
Speaker 2: not the other way around. So that means that consciousness
Speaker 2: came before anything material, anything physical, right, And this is
Speaker 2: something that scientists are actually really getting behind nowadays, that
Speaker 2: the physical world emerges from consciousness. There isn't And this
Speaker 2: is backwards compared to what most people think. Yep, they
Speaker 2: think that because of physical material reality, consciousness comes secondary.
Speaker 2: You know, It's like the first there was the dumb caveman,
Speaker 2: and now there's the intelligent scholar. Right, But that's not
Speaker 2: necessarily exactly how it is. Consciousness wasn't something that that
Speaker 2: just like evolved over time. It's that it's always been there,
Speaker 2: and as a matter of fact, it was there before
Speaker 2: even physical reality itself. So if you look at it
Speaker 2: from that angle, you can clearly see that before any
Speaker 2: physical reality, it was all just consciousness. If it was
Speaker 2: all just consciousness, some people might say that that's just God,
Speaker 2: right right.
Speaker 1: I actually kind of get down with that.
Speaker 4: If we are to talk about a God, I would
Speaker 4: say that's probably that's probably it for me, you know,
Speaker 4: because I feel like it does transcend everything, and especially
Speaker 4: if it was here before, if there was a before
Speaker 4: physicality at all. I feel like, you know, consciousness was
Speaker 4: there before everything, you know, and it transcends. I feel
Speaker 4: like it's something that no matter what you know, dimension
Speaker 4: you know, or what level you're at, consciousness is consistent
Speaker 4: throughout Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean well, and especially like through a lot of religion,
Speaker 2: they'll say that God has always existed. There was never
Speaker 2: a beginning or an end to God, right, And we've
Speaker 2: talked about that, but that God essentially not only created
Speaker 2: the world, but created us. And I don't know so
Speaker 2: if that's true, because if if material out material material
Speaker 2: world and the physical world is emergent from consciousness, then
Speaker 2: that means that our consciousness was created. If it was,
Speaker 2: unless it just always was, that our consciousness had to
Speaker 2: have been created before material reality. It had to have been.
Speaker 2: There is no other way, right, I.
Speaker 4: Mean, I think I think either way you look at it,
Speaker 4: then it's still kind of in a sense, kicking the
Speaker 4: can down the road, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 4: we don't have a full understanding of everything, and maybe
Speaker 4: we never will, just based on how long we live
Speaker 4: and how you know, how far research can really get.
Speaker 4: But I feel like since we don't know how everything started,
Speaker 4: if it actually had a start, we would say, oh,
Speaker 4: it was God or now here we are saying it's consciousness,
Speaker 4: which I could just get down with more because it's
Speaker 4: just I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess I just like that better know.
Speaker 4: But either way, I think it's still just kind of
Speaker 4: something to put into that place of we just don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I agree, I would much rather say
Speaker 2: consciousness or the spirit in general rather than just saying God,
Speaker 2: because it's like, I don't know, it seems too convoluted really.
Speaker 2: So anyhow, that being said, we're going to get into
Speaker 2: the next part, which is the egg in alchemy. So
Speaker 2: let's get into some alchemy. See where it goes there. So,
Speaker 2: in Western esoteric tradition, the orphic egg was adopted into
Speaker 2: alchemy as the philosophical egg. See what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 2: there's eggs everywhere, so the philosophical egg. This was both
Speaker 2: literal and symbolic. Alchemists often performed their experiments in sealed
Speaker 2: vessels called eggs, within which transformation occurred, but the deeper
Speaker 2: meaning was spiritual. The egg became the vessel of inner transformation,
Speaker 2: the alchemist's own soul, sealed with meta within meditation and
Speaker 2: discipline until the inner light could be hatched. The cracking
Speaker 2: of the egg was the rebirth of the self into
Speaker 2: divine consciousness. Here, the orphic egg moves from cosmogony to psychology.
Speaker 2: It becomes a tool not just for understanding the universe,
Speaker 2: but for transmuting the inner world of the initiate, cracking
Speaker 2: open their limited self and releasing the radiant being within.
Speaker 1: The limited itself.
Speaker 2: I like that It's true, isn't it though?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you are afraid to look into certain
Speaker 4: things that might change are not changed, but kind of
Speaker 4: crack you know what you already understand or what you
Speaker 4: undoubtedly know to be true. It's like, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, I think that's that's what we're talking about here.
Speaker 2: Hey, dude, you gotta crack a couple eggs to make
Speaker 2: an omelet.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Dude? Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: So there's also a Gnostic connection with this as well.
Speaker 2: So the Gnostics viewed the orphic egg as a parallel
Speaker 2: to their own myths of the pleroma and the fall
Speaker 2: of Sophia and Gnostic cosmology. The divine realm is wholeness,
Speaker 2: the descent, and to matter is the fracturing, the cracking
Speaker 2: of the egg into multiplicity. But just as the cosmic
Speaker 2: egg contained the divine spark, Gnostics believe that each human
Speaker 2: being contains a piece of the divine trapped within the
Speaker 2: shell of the body. The goal of nosis is to
Speaker 2: quote unquote hatch, to break free of the shell of
Speaker 2: ignorance and awaken into the fullness of the divine source.
Speaker 2: The orphic egg, in a sense, is a symbol of
Speaker 2: the human condition, the divine spark hidden within flesh, waiting
Speaker 2: to break open and shine.
Speaker 1: Hmm, that's cool.
Speaker 2: The Gnostics were always on some shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It always had a good way of putting shit,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just taking a story and looking at it from
Speaker 2: you know, the what did it mean, instead of taking
Speaker 2: it literal, you.
Speaker 4: Know, yeah, And I mean, if you wanted to take
Speaker 4: it literal, I mean, you could also look at the
Speaker 4: fact that, like we all start in an egg, you know,
Speaker 4: and and that's where we are, within the womb, and
Speaker 4: then we come out and now we're alive, and we
Speaker 4: see the light, you know, we're here now, and so
Speaker 4: that's when the universe started for us, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that it probably started with that
Speaker 2: same light, you know. So, for example, they say that
Speaker 2: at the moment of conception, meaning the time that the
Speaker 2: sperm first you know, goes into the egg, right, that
Speaker 2: there is a burst of light, all right, And maybe
Speaker 2: that's the soul, maybe that's consciousness. I don't know what
Speaker 2: the hell it is, but it has to it. It's interesting,
Speaker 2: if nothing less, it's deeply symbolic, if you know, even
Speaker 2: just from looking at it from a philosophical point of view,
Speaker 2: that as soon as the sperm meets it meets the egg,
Speaker 2: that there's that burst of light. And what this is
Speaker 2: saying is that you are then born again, once you
Speaker 2: are initiated into the into the esoteric myies. Right, and
Speaker 2: so as you're you know, you're that sperm and you
Speaker 2: go into that egg, right, and now you're there's a union, right, well,
Speaker 2: that union, you know. It's it's interesting because it says
Speaker 2: that what's.
Speaker 1: His name was?
Speaker 2: Oh shit, what was the name of that god?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: Fans fins so fine. It says that he was androgynists,
Speaker 2: meaning that he did he was he was both male
Speaker 2: and female. Yeah, well up until the point, so you
Speaker 2: have the sperm going into the egg, I think it
Speaker 2: takes a little while to determine if it's gonna be
Speaker 2: a boy or girl. It's not instant, right.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm actually not sure. I think I've heard
Speaker 1: something about that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know exactly in what stage you know,
Speaker 4: it's already determined. But I want to say, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I thought I I thought I heard that it was
Speaker 4: like already like as soon as it happens, it's already
Speaker 4: like determined that or or maybe what I heard was
Speaker 4: is that it's determined from from the male, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what. Yeah, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, that would be something interesting to
Speaker 2: look into. But and I could be wrong. I'm just
Speaker 2: I don't know, but anyway, all right, let's get back
Speaker 2: to it. So then, uh so we went from we
Speaker 2: went the Gnostic route and now we're going to go
Speaker 2: into the egg in Christian mysticism. So maybe maybe it's
Speaker 2: uh Rosicrucianism mm hm, which I would love to look
Speaker 2: into the rosicrutions a little bit more in the future
Speaker 2: because they're definitely on some ship too.
Speaker 1: Oh real quick.
Speaker 4: I just looked it up and and the the sex
Speaker 4: of the fetus is determined at the moment of fertilization
Speaker 4: when the sperm cell. Uh So, as soon as it's
Speaker 4: fertilized is when it's already determined.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the sperm doesn't know if it's going to
Speaker 2: be a boy or a girl until it fertilizes the egg.
Speaker 1: It's like it's the potential of of both. I guess oh.
Speaker 2: Wait, yeah, I tell doesn't Yeah, isn't it the woman
Speaker 2: that that that determines the sex?
Speaker 4: Though? See I always thought it was I thought I
Speaker 4: heard it was the male, but you know, I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: But yeah, but right at fertilization is when it's already determined.
Speaker 2: Interesting. Wow, okay, so all right, getting back over to it.
Speaker 2: The egg and Christian mysticism. Christianity two adopted the egg
Speaker 2: as a symbol, most famously with Easter eggs. The egg
Speaker 2: became a symbol of resurrection, new life, and the empty womb.
Speaker 2: While this is usually presented as folklore, it's actually a
Speaker 2: deep mystical continuity with orphic and cosmic egg traditions. The
Speaker 2: cracking of the egg parallels the cracking of the tomb,
Speaker 2: which seems sealed and lifeless suddenly and life suddenly burst
Speaker 2: forth with life, with light and life.
Speaker 1: Sorry.
Speaker 2: So Christ becomes a kind of Feign's figure, the radiant
Speaker 2: firstborn of the dead, who brings divine order and resurrection
Speaker 2: into the cosmos. Here we see that even traditions that
Speaker 2: claim to reject pagan myths ended up reusing their symbols,
Speaker 2: often on consciously. The orphic egg and the Easter egg
Speaker 2: are two sides of the same spiritual truth. Life bursts
Speaker 2: forth from death and unity emerges from hiddenness.
Speaker 1: And the cycle continues it do it do so?
Speaker 2: Then there's the psychological and the Youngian. Carl Jung interpretations.
Speaker 2: So Carl Jung and later psychologists interpreted the cosmic egg
Speaker 2: as a symbol of the self, the wholeness of the
Speaker 2: psyche before fragmentation and dreams and myths. Eggs often symbolize
Speaker 2: latent potential or the process of individuation, which would be
Speaker 2: the hatching of the true self. From this view, the
Speaker 2: orphic egg isn't just a story of the universe, but
Speaker 2: a map of the human journey. Each of us carries
Speaker 2: an egg within the potential self that must crack through
Speaker 2: the shell of the ego to emerge as radiant consciousness. Psychologically,
Speaker 2: the egg is the mystery of becoming. It represents growth, transformation,
Speaker 2: and the necessary cracking of the old in order for
Speaker 2: the new to be born. Every spiritual awakening is, in essence,
Speaker 2: the cracking of the orphic egg within.
Speaker 4: That's that's pretty fucking awesome, man. I could really resonate
Speaker 4: with it, you know.
Speaker 2: Dude, anybody that's ever had like a surely, if you're
Speaker 2: listening to this episode, you've had like a spiritual awakening
Speaker 2: of sorts, right. And because I'm not gonna lie to you, dude,
Speaker 2: I used to be a full on NPC. I could
Speaker 2: not have cared less about this stuff whenever I was
Speaker 2: like twenty four to twenty five years old. You know,
Speaker 2: it wasn't until that there was that little thing that
Speaker 2: cracked me open a little bit, you know, like that
Speaker 2: first thing that maybe go what the fuck was it?
Speaker 1: What is that, you know, sending you on your endless search? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And and I think that everybody has probably had
Speaker 2: a time like that. Maybe it happened through synchronicities. Maybe
Speaker 2: it happened through you know, maybe you got visited by
Speaker 2: an alien or you know, an god or an angel
Speaker 2: or Jesus or some kind of deity you know, spoke
Speaker 2: to you in your dream, or maybe you experienced something
Speaker 2: crazy in meditation, maybe you did way too much DMD,
Speaker 2: you know, something like that.
Speaker 4: You know, it's I mean, it might not even just
Speaker 4: be something mystical like that. It could be just something
Speaker 4: in your physical world that just didn't line up, you know,
Speaker 4: and you thought something was one way and oh shit,
Speaker 4: you know, so it's like, all right, so now what
Speaker 4: else do I not know that I thought I knew.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, And that was the thing for me.
Speaker 2: It started with conspiracies, which is why I have the
Speaker 2: cult of conspiracy, because I was just obsessed with wrecking
Speaker 2: the paradigm of this reality that I thought was true, right,
Speaker 2: because I was like, if this is wrong, what else
Speaker 2: is right? And I got obsessed with learning about every conspiracy.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to keep on breaking that egg. Every
Speaker 2: single episode was my entire goal. It still is my goal.
Speaker 2: And then it became all right, the egg is the
Speaker 2: egg is smashed to pieces, right like, there's no more egg.
Speaker 2: It is fully exactly I have. I have formed a
Speaker 2: union with consciousness itself now and and now I need
Speaker 2: to go deeper, which is how Metamisteries.
Speaker 4: Was created, right right, Well, yeah, you're starting to fractal
Speaker 4: at this point, now, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so uh speaking of fractal, the egg as
Speaker 2: a symbol of death and rebirth, So the egg is
Speaker 2: not only birth but also death. The cracking of the
Speaker 2: show represents the destruction of a container, the loss of
Speaker 2: a wholeness that can never be regained, but in that
Speaker 2: breaking new life emerges. This dual symbolism makes the orphic
Speaker 2: egg a perfect emblem for the Mystery Schools. Initiates had
Speaker 2: to end quotes die before they die, undergo symbolic death
Speaker 2: and ritual in order to be reborn to a higher consciousness.
Speaker 2: The egg as both tomb and womb, embodies this paradox.
Speaker 1: Wow, that was Yeah, that's pretty spot on, man.
Speaker 4: When you when you do finally crack through that very
Speaker 4: thin by the way, it's a very thin shell, you know,
Speaker 4: the the shell of anega is super thin, so it
Speaker 4: doesn't take much. It's a small little thing that that
Speaker 4: kind of bursts you through the veil if you will.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, And it's perfect. It actually like it almost
Speaker 2: represents the veil itself.
Speaker 1: That's that's it, you know, exactly what I was thinking.
Speaker 2: And I thought that it was interesting too, because it
Speaker 2: said that that the cracking of the show represents the
Speaker 2: destruction of a container. But then you hear, like, you know,
Speaker 2: a few years ago whenever Bob Lazar went on to
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan Show, and he goes, yeah, I was looking
Speaker 2: into some files, and you know, I you know, I
Speaker 2: visited Sector four or S four and you know, Element
Speaker 2: one whatever, seventeen eighteen whatever it was, and but and
Speaker 2: and all that was very interesting. But the most interesting
Speaker 2: aspect about everything of what he was saying was that
Speaker 2: the government, whoever believes that they are in contact with
Speaker 2: something up above some aliens I don't know, but those
Speaker 2: aliens or those higher consciousness beings or whatever the fuck
Speaker 2: is outside of humanity called us containers, which is interesting
Speaker 2: because if we're containers and that container can be cracked
Speaker 2: like a shell, then that's pretty deeply symbolic with the orphica.
Speaker 2: I get that point, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what all we containing? You know?
Speaker 4: I mean I've heard people say like, oh, soul containers,
Speaker 4: you know, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I really don't know.
Speaker 2: I would say that as you know what, I don't
Speaker 2: even necessarily know if I even like to use the
Speaker 2: word soul, because it's more religious based, right, And that's why, dude,
Speaker 2: I just like calling it consciousness.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: Like, I think that that is the least like religious
Speaker 2: type of way. I don't not that I have anything
Speaker 2: super against religion. It's just it's too organized. It doesn't
Speaker 2: allow you to think outside the box. You can't question anything,
Speaker 2: and if you act outside of those lines, then there
Speaker 2: are repercussions. I don't believe in that. I believe that, yes,
Speaker 2: we are containers, but symbolically we can crack out from
Speaker 2: this container. Symbolically, you know, the chicken eventually gets out
Speaker 2: of the egg, you know, And I think that that's
Speaker 2: what represents, you know, conscious awakening would be that that
Speaker 2: initiation of sorts, that that initial cracking of the egg
Speaker 2: to allow the soul to emerge or the spirit to emerge,
Speaker 2: the consciousness to emerge. Because you think about it, most
Speaker 2: people are not very conscious all day, right, and the
Speaker 2: goal is to be present. Meanwhile, most people aren't, and
Speaker 2: it takes practice. It's not something that like, oh, I'm present,
Speaker 2: you know, my consciousness is now expanded. It's like, no,
Speaker 2: You've got to remind yourself to stay present. Like that's
Speaker 2: how like like fleeing it or fleeting it is, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I feel like too, it can also be exhausting.
Speaker 4: Like I've had days, dude, where I just feel like
Speaker 4: I'm like constantly in that just that higher state of awareness,
Speaker 4: you know, and it's just like that could be exhausting too.
Speaker 4: Oh So sometimes I think it is. It's good to
Speaker 4: what do they call blue pill, you know or whatever
Speaker 4: and kind of just enjoy some shit. And you know,
Speaker 4: you don't always have to, you know, but sometimes man,
Speaker 4: I mean it's nice though, when you are in that
Speaker 4: state and you're just like really kind of trying to
Speaker 4: decode every little molecule and like, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: trying to figure it out.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And that's the thing. I think that that
Speaker 2: egg is is always there as somewhat of a protective
Speaker 2: fallback option, you know what I'm saying. I don't know
Speaker 2: if we ever fully you know, emerge from the egg itself,
Speaker 2: just as long as there's a few cracks and a
Speaker 2: couple of holes for us to be able to peek
Speaker 2: out and know that there's still something out there. I
Speaker 2: think that's plenty really, oh absolutely so. So yeah, I
Speaker 2: thought that it was funny how it said the egg
Speaker 2: as both tomb and womb, embodies this paradox. So every ending,
Speaker 2: every death, is also a beginning. This the orphic egg,
Speaker 2: reminds us that destruction is never final. It is the
Speaker 2: cracking that makes illumination possible. Which is interesting they say
Speaker 2: that too, because every every ending is also a beginning.
Speaker 2: This is actually very representative throughout numerology as well, and
Speaker 2: it's the same thing even within tarot cards, right, like, ye,
Speaker 2: the ten is all it's it's always the number ten
Speaker 2: always represents the end of a journey. But then numerologically,
Speaker 2: ten breaks down to one, which is the beginning all
Speaker 2: over again. So it's the end in the beginning within
Speaker 2: ten itself. Yeah, the constant cycle of the journey man. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: we are so. And that's what they say God is.
Speaker 2: They say that if God was a number, he would
Speaker 2: be the number ten, because he would be the end
Speaker 2: in the beginning, the you know, the alpha and the omega, right,
Speaker 2: it makes sense at that point, and.
Speaker 1: Then would even with just one more.
Speaker 2: That's what Aleister Crowley said too, as Yeah, Alistair Crowley
Speaker 2: actually said that he believed and this is somebody who
Speaker 2: literally he wanted to he wanted to be known as
Speaker 2: the most evil man to ever exist, right, and he
Speaker 2: said that eleven is the most evil number ever created.
Speaker 2: Really because it was basically saying that, like, I'm God
Speaker 2: plus one more.
Speaker 1: That's that's where he would know about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why whenever you said that, I was like,
Speaker 2: hold on, wait a minute, wait a minute, but all
Speaker 2: my synchronosities are eleven eleven.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, damn path already damn.
Speaker 4: So that's funny for yeah, well it's funny because now
Speaker 4: we get into the eleventh segment of this.
Speaker 1: Of this episode, right.
Speaker 2: Which is the egg and modern science. So interestingly, the
Speaker 2: orphic egg can be seen as a metaphor for modern cosmology.
Speaker 2: The Big Bang describes the universe as having once been
Speaker 2: compressed into a singularity, an infinitely dense point that cracked
Speaker 2: open into expansion. The cosmic egg therefore foreshadows scientific insight
Speaker 2: by thousands of years. Ancient mystics intuited that all things
Speaker 2: must emerge from unity, from a contained potential. The moment
Speaker 2: of cracking reflects both myth and physics, as the universe
Speaker 2: expanding into time and space. This doesn't mean orphism predicted
Speaker 2: modern science, but it shows how myth and science often
Speaker 2: circle the same mystery, using different languages, one poetic, one mathematical,
Speaker 2: but both pointing to the same truth.
Speaker 1: And they're both trying to figure out the same fucking thing. Dude, dude,
Speaker 1: And I like.
Speaker 4: How, I like how you know, because I guess I
Speaker 4: used to think as far as like when it whenever
Speaker 4: it came to the Big Bang, that there was like
Speaker 4: there was nothing and then all of a sudden everything
Speaker 4: kind of came out of that. But that's not even
Speaker 4: what it's saying. It's saying that it's it was all
Speaker 4: everything that is was still in this one thing, and
Speaker 4: so there was never a nothing, because you can't have
Speaker 4: nothing exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that everything was all contained in the into the
Speaker 2: pinpoint of something something right, which, yeah, and that actually
Speaker 2: perfectly parallels what we're gonna be talking about today. We're
Speaker 2: moving forward as far as the UFOs as well. Oh right,
Speaker 2: So now we're going to get into the UFOs of
Speaker 2: the symbology of the egg shaped craft that people have
Speaker 2: been talking about literally for over one hundred years and
Speaker 2: the newest one. As I said about Jake Barber and
Speaker 2: were actually got a clip that we're gonna show of
Speaker 2: him describing what he felt during the experience of not
Speaker 2: only with the egg shaped craft, but something else that
Speaker 2: he called the basically an octagon or an eight gone
Speaker 2: He called it an eight gone craft, but that would
Speaker 2: just be an octagon. I don't know why I say
Speaker 2: it that way. But so, but before we do, we're
Speaker 2: going to get into how does this egg tie into
Speaker 2: you know, the egg shape UFOs. So there are symbolic parallels.
Speaker 2: So the cosmic egg in orphism is a vessel of creation.
Speaker 2: It carries life, light, and divine potential across the void
Speaker 2: already right there sounds UFO right, UFO is so. The
Speaker 2: egg shaped UFOs and modern sightings are described as smooth, glowing,
Speaker 2: self contained vessels that seem to bend space, time and
Speaker 2: physics around them. Both are containers of mystery, representing wholeness
Speaker 2: and the idea of hidden life within. It's no wonder.
Speaker 2: Experiencers often describe them as alive, womb like and consciousness field,
Speaker 2: consciousness filled, rather than just mechanical ships.
Speaker 4: Right m hm, biological almost just yeah yeah, life itself right.
Speaker 2: And then there's the womb of transformation. So in esoteric thought,
Speaker 2: the egg isn't just about beginnings. It's about initiation. You
Speaker 2: go into the egg, undergo transformation, and come out reborn.
Speaker 2: Many UFO abductees describe the inside of the craft as sterile, white,
Speaker 2: womb like or egg shaped rooms where they undergo procedures
Speaker 2: or visionary downloads. That imagery is nearly identical to the
Speaker 2: orphic egg's role as the place of death, rebirth, transformation,
Speaker 2: So in that sense, egg shaped UFOs may symbolically or
Speaker 2: literally act as cosmic wombs, vessels through which consciousness is
Speaker 2: altered or end quotes hatched into a new state.
Speaker 1: Reb dude, that's kind up. Man.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm down. I just want to see what
Speaker 4: that's about. Even if it's a praying mantis, I don't care.
Speaker 4: I mean, I won't see what that's like at this point, dude,
Speaker 4: let's do it.
Speaker 2: I'm willing to take a I'm willing to take a
Speaker 2: probe up. He asked to see what's going on here.
Speaker 2: You know, they're professionals about it, I mean at this point. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna be messing around. They're probably
Speaker 2: doing it for a reason.
Speaker 1: You know, oh yeah, with purpose, of course.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll just say this to the mantis is
Speaker 2: out there, if you're just looking for a stool sample,
Speaker 2: you don't need to hike you know, your your antennas
Speaker 2: or whatever up my butt. Okay, I can just I
Speaker 2: can just ship for you.
Speaker 1: I can just do that a cup whatever, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Instead they're like treating us like puppies where they
Speaker 2: get the little the little fecal sample with the with
Speaker 2: the needle looking thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah get yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, calm down, all right, I'm not into that. So anyhow,
Speaker 2: the uh, the vehicles of of gods. This is interesting.
Speaker 2: So in Hindu mythology the cosmic egg, which we talked
Speaker 2: about earlier, Bramanda gave birth to Brahma, but also later
Speaker 2: became associated with vimanas, which means flying crafts of the gods.
Speaker 2: So if fanes is the radiant light emerging from the egg,
Speaker 2: then UFOs could be modern manifestations of that archetype containers
Speaker 2: carrying luminous beings of intelligence. So the Gnostics would say,
Speaker 2: perhaps what we call UFOs are arconic or divine emissaries
Speaker 2: that descend in egg shaped vessels, because the egg is
Speaker 2: the archetype of the cosmic transport, the Universal blue the
Speaker 2: universal blueprint for carrying life and light across realms.
Speaker 1: Wow, dude, these things have been seen for forever, you.
Speaker 4: Know what I mean, Because it was one point where
Speaker 4: I was thinking, like, well, you know, maybe just the
Speaker 4: thought of aliens and UFOs was kind of of, uh,
Speaker 4: eventually just evolved, you know. But I mean, like Nick
Speaker 4: was saying, like explaining all the cave paintings of you know,
Speaker 4: seemingly UFOs or orbs flying in the sky, It's like
Speaker 4: this is just something that's natural. It's been and one
Speaker 4: of the most ancient paintings of Jesus I'm gonna try
Speaker 4: and see if I can find it later on. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I know, it's when you're talking about but it literally
Speaker 4: has an egg shaped fucking UFO that is flying in
Speaker 4: the sky behind Jesus's head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're And it's not even like you could U.
Speaker 4: Get confused with that in an angel or a depiction
Speaker 4: of an angel that's not at all how they were depicted,
Speaker 4: you know, And so this is clearly something else.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it's like deliberate too. It's just like right there.
Speaker 2: Oh, they're not even trying to hide it at that point.
Speaker 2: So and and also could it be a So when
Speaker 2: we're talking about the egg crafts, could it be consciousness technology?
Speaker 2: So the orphic egg would be equal to the cosmos
Speaker 2: itself contained before expansion. UFOs often appear egg like, seamless
Speaker 2: with no visible engines, suggesting a technology based on consciousness
Speaker 2: and unity, not mechanics and fragmentation, which is interesting because
Speaker 2: anybody that's ever people have described what it was like
Speaker 2: to like fly a ufhone That sounds kind of crazy, right,
Speaker 2: but even personally myself, I remember whenever I had my
Speaker 2: very first past life regression, and I had never heard
Speaker 2: of anything like this before I actually thought at the end,
Speaker 2: I was like, man, is that kind of silly that
Speaker 2: I had in an experience like that? But basically, in
Speaker 2: that first past life regression that I had, I stumbled
Speaker 2: across like these blue and red crystals or green and
Speaker 2: red crystals rather right, and I found that they had
Speaker 2: some sort of healing mechanism to them. So I built like,
Speaker 2: for a lack of a better word, a pokey center
Speaker 2: where you take your pokemon and you haal them in there, right,
Speaker 2: That's what it reminded me of. And then we got
Speaker 2: attacked by these pirates or something like that, and we
Speaker 2: had to find a land to where we wouldn't be
Speaker 2: attacked again. So I ended up building out of those
Speaker 2: crystals like a fucking spacecraft, right, And instead of there
Speaker 2: being a wheel or buttons or anything, I remember saying, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: it goes and it stops whenever I tell it to,
Speaker 2: essentially connecting, not even saying anything telepathically connected to this craft.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: I had never heard anything like that before then. I
Speaker 2: mean I had only just gotten into looking into aliens
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. I never heard of these crazy stories.
Speaker 2: But then you hear so many other people and their
Speaker 2: experiences of maybe going on to the craft or having
Speaker 2: another past life regression, or maybe it was some psychedelic
Speaker 2: experience or something like that, where they are having the
Speaker 2: experience of almost being one with the vessel that they're
Speaker 2: part of. And you look at the egg and it
Speaker 2: doesn't seem to be like something that would be built
Speaker 2: like a spaceship, you know what I'm saying. It it's
Speaker 2: almost a live itself And if it's alive itself, that
Speaker 2: almost just reminds you of like Avatar and the dragons
Speaker 2: and the horses and all that shit, right to where
Speaker 2: you're just connected to them consciously and your brains are
Speaker 2: singing together where you don't need to say, yeah, let's go.
Speaker 2: It's like, as soon as you have that thought, hyeah,
Speaker 2: you're going, you know, yes.
Speaker 4: And that's perfect because that's exactly the the one frame
Speaker 4: of thought really that puts me into the understanding of
Speaker 4: the whole consciousness consciousness.
Speaker 1: Thing in general.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean that that is the the
Speaker 4: one natural force that's under everything, you know, every every
Speaker 4: experience that people have had, you know, I mean I
Speaker 4: can't speak for everybody, of course, you know, but I
Speaker 4: feel like everybody that's had an experience with aliens or
Speaker 4: I mean even Nick, he literally communicates with him with
Speaker 4: his consciousness, and your consciousness and your vibration and everything
Speaker 4: has a lot to do with what you're able to
Speaker 4: see and experience. And so it's like this this back
Speaker 4: and forth, uh communication of sorts, dude, you know, and
Speaker 4: it's natural, seemingly.
Speaker 2: Well, And I'm like, and what's also interesting about it
Speaker 2: is that whenever that egg does crack right and you realize,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm not this body, I'm actually something
Speaker 2: even greater. I'm actually the consciousness. Now, if you look
Speaker 2: at it from that angle, from that higher self perspective,
Speaker 2: you are communicating telepathically with your body.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Do you see what I'm.
Speaker 4: Saying though, Like, it's like you're and you're able to
Speaker 4: dip into the the unlimited potential because you're not Jonathan.
Speaker 4: You are.
Speaker 1: You are capable of meaning whatever the.
Speaker 2: Fuck exactly what I mean. I mean, it's all there.
Speaker 2: This human body is like you know, Avatar connecting its
Speaker 2: tail to the dragon or whatever or the seahorse or
Speaker 2: whatever the fuck it was, you know, connected to It's like,
Speaker 2: you know, whenever you're able to separate you from what
Speaker 2: you thought was yourself. Now there are two entities, and
Speaker 2: you can control the lower physical one right at that point,
Speaker 2: and so now you're not necessarily succumbing to you know,
Speaker 2: the material reality of everything that a human wants to
Speaker 2: do anymore, because now you control that human. That human
Speaker 2: is in your control, and you're guiding the human at
Speaker 2: that point, and.
Speaker 4: All everything that you thought you were was the substance
Speaker 4: within the shell, you know, like the ego driven like
Speaker 4: this is what I know to.
Speaker 1: Be me, and then that cracks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and now you're just connected to what's outside of that.
Speaker 2: Man, It's just like, yeah, whenever you discover that you
Speaker 2: are the essence of life itself, that you're not strictly
Speaker 2: contained to this container, this vessel, but you're just in
Speaker 2: control of this vessel. That's that's like the that is
Speaker 2: the cracking of the egg. That's great, man, I feel
Speaker 2: like we just really got deep right there. Sometimes we
Speaker 2: do that, you know, philosophical and this beach. So therefore,
Speaker 2: the egg shape may be the most efficient. All check
Speaker 2: this out. So the egg shape may be the most
Speaker 2: efficient geometric vessel for containing and projecting energy resonating with
Speaker 2: the idea of the holographic womb of reality.
Speaker 6: MM.
Speaker 2: So there is a fascinating tie with with the cosmic egg,
Speaker 2: the orphic egg, and the the the alien egg shape
Speaker 2: UFO that in ancient myth the egg is the vessel
Speaker 2: of divine light, and in modern ufo lore the egg
Speaker 2: is the vessel of other worldly intelligence. So I was like,
Speaker 2: all right, how many times has there been uh documented
Speaker 2: ufo egg shaped craft in the world? How many times
Speaker 2: has it been documented? Turns out it has been documented
Speaker 2: at least nine times.
Speaker 1: Nine times.
Speaker 2: At least nine times have people had an experience with
Speaker 2: an egg ufo craft.
Speaker 1: I thought would be way more than that.
Speaker 2: These are just the ones that are documented. Oh okay, okay,
Speaker 2: So it's you know a lot of times they go undocumented,
Speaker 2: I'm sure, but these are the ones that are written down,
Speaker 2: talked about, and you know, like deeply described. So the
Speaker 2: first one actually happened in when was it? There were
Speaker 2: actually two in three, I'm sorry, in nineteen fifty seven,
Speaker 2: three in the same year. In nineteen fifty seven. One
Speaker 2: was in Texas, the next one was in Albuquerque, New Mexico,
Speaker 2: And so those could have been the same thing. They're
Speaker 2: right next to each other. But then what gets interesting
Speaker 2: is that you have you know, the south United States,
Speaker 2: the southwest United States, and then it dips down to
Speaker 2: Brazil and also in nineteen fifty seven or it came
Speaker 2: up from Brazil either way the.
Speaker 1: Same okay, same year.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the same craft, but all
Speaker 2: three were in the same year. Interesting, so it's one
Speaker 2: of them was in Leveland, Texas. So it says multiple
Speaker 2: witnesses reported a brilliantly lit egg shaped object, some up
Speaker 2: to one hundred feet long, sitting on the road, causing
Speaker 2: their vehicles to stall out before flying off and restoring
Speaker 2: engine function. It's one of the most compelling mass sighting
Speaker 2: cases on record.
Speaker 4: Wow, can you imagine seeing something like that in fifty seven?
Speaker 4: You know, I mean everybody's driving carbureted cars and shit,
Speaker 4: and like you're lucky if it started for you in
Speaker 4: the morning and then you just see this brilliantly lit
Speaker 4: egg shaped thing in the middle of the road, Like
Speaker 4: that would be a trip, dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm trying to see. Was this around
Speaker 2: the same time of Betty and Barney Hill. This was
Speaker 2: actually before Betty and Barney.
Speaker 4: Hill, Okay, because they were like in the sixties, right
Speaker 4: in sixty one. Yeah, okay, okay, so this was four
Speaker 4: years before Betty and Barney Hill, which was pretty interesting. So, yeah,
Speaker 4: that was the Texas case in nineteen fifty seven. The
Speaker 4: next one you have the Kirtland AFB sighting in Albuquerque,
Speaker 4: New Mexico, in nineteen fifty seven. It says civil aeronautic
Speaker 4: controllers observed a vertically elongated egg shaped object fifteen to
Speaker 4: twenty feet tall. Oh so the other one was one
Speaker 4: hundred feet long. It didn't say how tall. This one
Speaker 4: says fifteen to twenty feet tall. Do didn't say how long,
Speaker 4: But anyway, it was an egg shaped object with a
Speaker 4: single light at its base, hovering over the runway. Later
Speaker 4: tracked on radar, following aircraft before vanishing.
Speaker 1: Oh so it was.
Speaker 2: And that's that's what's crazy about this. These are either
Speaker 2: mass sightings or government sightings, so that's why they're so
Speaker 2: documented in that sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So, and the technology that we had, at least to
Speaker 4: our knowledge, was not anything of that.
Speaker 2: Well, and that's the thing is that it follows aircraft
Speaker 2: before vanishing. So this still tracks with my understanding as
Speaker 2: far as all these things go. Personally, I believe that
Speaker 2: every single UFO, every single real UFO story mean physically
Speaker 2: real physical, Yeah, we'll get We'll say physical, every single
Speaker 2: end quotes physical because I believe that they can probably
Speaker 2: dematerialize or vanish somehow. They all seem like they are
Speaker 2: traveling interdimensionally, that they're not necessarily coming from billions of
Speaker 2: light years away in this physical reality. Could it be
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that it's impossible. I think it's
Speaker 2: just more and most likely that they are interdimensionally traveling
Speaker 2: to where maybe they're not coming from, you know, Star
Speaker 2: System eight hundred and sixty nine, you know, four billion
Speaker 2: light years away. Could they just be traveling from not
Speaker 2: another where, but another win as Stephen Greer says, And
Speaker 2: could they just be traveling from I don't know, six
Speaker 2: dimensional Earth reality and then lowering their frequency to be
Speaker 2: able to show up in the third dimension where we
Speaker 2: see right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that just makes the most sense, you know,
Speaker 4: if you want to go into the physics of it,
Speaker 4: it just doesn't make sense that they could travel that far,
Speaker 4: you know, and get here.
Speaker 1: But because to our perception, that's what it looks like.
Speaker 4: It definitely looks like they're just kind of fading into
Speaker 4: our perception, you know, not like arriving.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and even even physics can't explain it. And that's
Speaker 2: why it's having such a hard time with all this
Speaker 2: UFO stuff because, for example, even I believe they said
Speaker 2: the tic tac UFO that was back in like two
Speaker 2: thousand and three or something like that, just four they.
Speaker 4: Said, Kevin, watch a UFO documentary without seeing that black
Speaker 4: and white footage exactly.
Speaker 2: They say even that one was traveling at like mock eighty,
Speaker 2: so the fastest that a human has ever gone in
Speaker 2: like a fighter jet. Right, it's like mock nine.
Speaker 1: Right, So just moving.
Speaker 2: That you're hauling, Dude, you are going faster than the
Speaker 2: speed of sound. Oh yeah, oh yeah, these are what
Speaker 2: ten times faster right at minimum?
Speaker 4: Wow, it's like this sound even do at that point,
Speaker 4: you know. But if they're not even actually moving through
Speaker 4: outur physical space, then then air and all that has
Speaker 4: nothing to do with it. So there are no bounds
Speaker 4: to how fast it can go.
Speaker 2: I'm sure, right, And I mean they are there. There
Speaker 2: seems to be no you know, like they seem to
Speaker 2: be operating within like zero gravity as well, so there's
Speaker 2: no propulsion propulsion. That was the word I was looking for.
Speaker 2: I couldn't think about that, I thought, but yeah, there's
Speaker 2: no repulsion there. There seems to be like no heat
Speaker 2: signature even coming off of them.
Speaker 4: Fascinating, dude, it's so fun to look into that kind
Speaker 4: of stuff.
Speaker 2: Man, Like, I'm sorry, I can't look at that, and
Speaker 2: I can't look at that and say probably nothing. All
Speaker 2: there is is life, death, than taxes, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. It's like, no, there's way more than that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that was the Albuquerque one. The next one
Speaker 2: was the Brazil. I don't know which order these ones
Speaker 2: came in, but the the Brazil one is the uh
Speaker 2: Antonio Villis Boaz abduction. So Antonio described a hovering craft
Speaker 2: roughly circular or egg shaped, with a red light and
Speaker 2: a dome that landed in a field after his tractor stalled.
Speaker 2: He fled on foot, and he later reported being abducted.
Speaker 1: M See, this is.
Speaker 4: When it when it comes to the abductions, you know,
Speaker 4: because I don't know when I started think about that,
Speaker 4: I'm like, how are you how.
Speaker 1: Is that even possible?
Speaker 4: How can you be abducted by a something that's immaterial
Speaker 4: in a sense at least to us. It would have
Speaker 4: to be right, well, because if they're able to move
Speaker 4: from through through air, through I don't know numbers of
Speaker 4: galaxies to get to us, seemingly bending space and time
Speaker 4: around them, you know, and then they just kind of
Speaker 4: materialize because they're now in our dimension, Like, how do
Speaker 4: they then interact with anything physical?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 4: I can understand you know, electronics fucking up and shit
Speaker 4: like that, like I can. My imagination will definitely allowed
Speaker 4: me to go there, But physically taking somebody like that
Speaker 4: I'm interested in.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: And there's many, many, many different reports of missing time,
Speaker 2: and Chris Bledsoe is one of the main ones, right,
Speaker 2: And because I mean he thought that time, you know,
Speaker 2: he thought that he was only gone for fifteen minutes
Speaker 2: whenever he was abducted, abducted in those woods fifteen.
Speaker 1: Twenty went looking for him, so he was.
Speaker 2: Gone, dude, They was gone for hours, right, And there
Speaker 2: were what four or five other people that were there
Speaker 2: with him, including his son, you know, and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: I thought that I was only gone fifteen twenty minutes.
Speaker 2: Turns out he was gone for hours, So there was
Speaker 2: some kind of sense of abduction and time not acting
Speaker 2: linearly as he remembered it or he had his mind
Speaker 2: erased or something. But I'm still trying to get him
Speaker 2: on the damn show. He is a busy man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it happens.
Speaker 2: I read the book though. I highly recommend everybody go
Speaker 2: out and read a UFO of God.
Speaker 4: Yeah, super fascinating. His son too, though, was missing right,
Speaker 4: like he also had missing time along with him. His
Speaker 4: son was No, he was just like stabilized in one location.
Speaker 4: He was frozen frozen yeah, okay, yeah, and they couldn't
Speaker 4: find him either, right, No, they couldn't him, right, Nope,
Speaker 4: not at all.
Speaker 1: Cloaking technology maybe you know who knows.
Speaker 2: I think that they're they're I think they can just
Speaker 2: fucking like pause time, bro.
Speaker 4: I mean, if they can bend space and time, I'm
Speaker 4: sure they can bend the environment around an individual and
Speaker 4: make it appear that they are not even there.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, that's that's easy. Shit.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're they're existing in another dimension, like without
Speaker 2: physical without physicality, you know what I'm saying. It's like,
Speaker 2: what is time to a non corporeal being? Right exactly, dude.
Speaker 2: So it's just crazy. But anyway, the next one, so
Speaker 2: you had the three and fifty seven. Then you had
Speaker 2: the next one. These are all egg shaped crafts. Was
Speaker 2: called the Socorro with Lonnie Zamora in New Mexico. A
Speaker 2: lot of shit going on in New Mexico. This was
Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty four. And this is a police officer.
Speaker 2: So police officer Lonnie Zamora investigated a strange craft and
Speaker 2: described it as egg shaped, shimmering, metallic, and hovering close
Speaker 2: to the ground before ascending with roaring flames and leaving
Speaker 2: scorch marks and landing depressions behind. That's different.
Speaker 1: This is different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this case remains one of the most well
Speaker 2: documented and unexplained UFO incidents in the United States.
Speaker 1: Hmm, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Whenever it comes to the more physical ones, you know
Speaker 4: that leave some sort of evidence behind or or you know,
Speaker 4: propulsion and things of that nature, I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 4: That's when I start to think like some government shit
Speaker 4: and like there's just some weird shit going on, you know,
Speaker 4: and the government's fucking with people.
Speaker 1: I don't know. But yeah, I don't know. I have
Speaker 1: no idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you on that. That one seems like
Speaker 2: if if we're trying to find, like, you know, one
Speaker 2: of these things is not like the other, like.
Speaker 1: It's that one. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So let's go to the next one, which was
Speaker 2: I'm trying to do these in order, because they're not
Speaker 2: in order. The next one was Area fifty one. Okay,
Speaker 2: Area fifty one whistleblow or claim. So this is in
Speaker 2: the nineteen eighties. A former contractor claimed that a metallic
Speaker 2: egg shaped UFO roughly the size of an suv, was
Speaker 2: kept at a secretive facility known as Area fifty one
Speaker 2: in the nineteen eighties. Yeah, all right, well doesn't describe
Speaker 2: how it was taken off or anything. What do you
Speaker 2: think about Area fifty one.
Speaker 4: You know, to be honest, like if you would have
Speaker 4: asked me this two years ago, before we even started
Speaker 4: this show, before when I was only just in the
Speaker 4: understanding that, like, yeah, of course there has to be aliens,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: I used to.
Speaker 4: Think that they were more of the physical and not
Speaker 4: that they aren't within their own reality, within their own reality.
Speaker 4: I'm sure they interact maybe physically, you know, but I
Speaker 4: feel like it's all the more physical things are kind
Speaker 4: of just government shit, you know, Like I feel like
Speaker 4: if an alien can get over here and make it
Speaker 4: over to us from wherever the fuck they came from
Speaker 4: or when ever they came from.
Speaker 1: I feel like they wouldn't.
Speaker 4: Be captured, you know, I just don't feel it just
Speaker 4: doesn't make sense to me that there would be actual
Speaker 4: physical UFOs, if.
Speaker 1: That makes sense, unless they want it to be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but what's the point in that, you know, What's
Speaker 4: just to leave something for us to go, Oh, there's
Speaker 4: more to this. This isn't just the third dimension. There's
Speaker 4: more going on, and we'll just leave you this little breadcrumb,
Speaker 4: you know, Like I That's what I pondered when it
Speaker 4: comes to that.
Speaker 2: I mean, then you read The American Cosmic by Diane
Speaker 2: and Pasalka, and she talked about how she went out
Speaker 2: in the desert of New Mexico, I think also, and
Speaker 2: she was able to find this metal shit that was
Speaker 2: in the ground, and she called it meta material where
Speaker 2: it was solid before she held it, and then as
Speaker 2: soon as she held it it melted right, and then
Speaker 2: as soon as she would place it down, it would
Speaker 2: solidify again.
Speaker 1: It would like reform or reshape, right.
Speaker 2: And she says that those things are not remnants that
Speaker 2: are left behind accidentally. She them she believes that they're
Speaker 2: gifts from, like other worlds and other beings.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I guess if they if they were
Speaker 4: to leave something behind, I feel like it, you know,
Speaker 4: it would be intentional only to get us to maybe
Speaker 4: evolve or to to help us along technologically, I guess.
Speaker 4: But other than that, as far as like what they
Speaker 4: got going on in area fifty one, I don't know,
Speaker 4: Like the whole guy, the one you were bringing up
Speaker 4: earlier was a bob Blazaar. Yeah, you know, I I'd
Speaker 4: have to think about that even further because I feel
Speaker 4: like I don't know. I know either, I don't. I
Speaker 4: don't take it all like as truth. You know, it
Speaker 4: comes to exactly like it's interesting, Don't get me wrong,
Speaker 4: it's very fascinating the things that he says and how
Speaker 4: his story you know, doesn't change it. And you know,
Speaker 4: we can go on and on. But I feel like
Speaker 4: there's something, there's something that we just aren't seeing and
Speaker 4: and I just don't take it at full face value.
Speaker 2: Which is the right way to look at it, I think.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But like to go back to your original question,
Speaker 4: as far as like I two years ago, I would
Speaker 4: have been like, of course, of course there's physical crafts,
Speaker 4: they can.
Speaker 1: Figure out how to get here.
Speaker 4: But now I'm just of the mindset that it's all
Speaker 4: consciousness based and anything else is it is not it,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Yeah, as far as that
Speaker 4: meda material, I don't know. I don't know either. I
Speaker 4: just brought it up because I was like, I.
Speaker 1: Want to see it, I want to hold it, you know,
Speaker 1: but I'm not make of it.
Speaker 2: So which one was that?
Speaker 4: Again?
Speaker 2: That was the New Mexico incident. The next Oh no,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Yeah, that was also New Mexico, but that
Speaker 2: was Area fifty one. After that one, you had the
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty three incident in Indiana Somerset, Indiana, where it
Speaker 2: says a witness, Debbie Jordan Cobble, I think it's how
Speaker 2: you say your name, observed a UFO roughly eight to
Speaker 2: ten feet tall, egg shaped during an unsettling experience in
Speaker 2: the woods.
Speaker 1: They're getting smaller, seemed to be the new models, the aerodynamic.
Speaker 2: The one after that was in nineteen eighty eight in
Speaker 2: South Australia, so it says a family traveling across the
Speaker 2: Nuller bar plane reported seeing a UFO that looked like
Speaker 2: a big glowing ball, like an egg like an egg
Speaker 2: in an egg cup. Interesting, and then finally, well not finally,
Speaker 2: we have one more before we get to Jake Barber.
Speaker 2: But in nineteen ninety eight, oh god, this is in Mexico.
Speaker 2: It says a man and his children witnessed an oval
Speaker 2: egg like object silently hovering in the sky about four
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty meters away during a nighttime incident. These
Speaker 2: are just observations at that point, and then we're gonna
Speaker 2: get to the main one, the main one that we
Speaker 2: wanted to talk about, which is Air Force pilot Jake Barber.
Speaker 2: He's this is the most recent whistleblowerclaimed. This was earlier.
Speaker 2: I believe he came out in January of this year.
Speaker 2: Oh so, it says recently a Air Force, a US
Speaker 2: Air Force veteran alleged seeing a non human egg shaped
Speaker 2: craft with no engine or thermal signature while working on
Speaker 2: a UFO retrieval program. His claims are being investigated by
Speaker 2: the Pentagon currently. And these reports spanned continents and decades,
Speaker 2: weaving a strange but persistent narrative of the egg shape,
Speaker 2: UFO and modern lore. Whether symbolic or physical, these shapes
Speaker 2: seem to echo ancient archetypes like the orphic egg morphing
Speaker 2: across time into contemporary mystery. And so I was like,
Speaker 2: all right, could there be you know, could Jake Barber's
Speaker 2: egg UFO be interdimensional? And yeah, I think so.
Speaker 4: And actually you think to me real quick, not to
Speaker 4: cut you off, but I just didn't want to brush
Speaker 4: over it.
Speaker 1: They got a UFO retrieval system.
Speaker 2: That's a program. Yeah, wow, okay, isn't that crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So there's something I wanted to play rate here. This
Speaker 2: is actually, uh all right, so before we get to
Speaker 2: the to the video, I wanted to play This was
Speaker 2: an article that was written at the time that he
Speaker 2: whistle blew about the egg shape. It's all right, so
Speaker 2: it says a former Air Force Special Operations airman told
Speaker 2: News Nation that he worked for a secret unit that
Speaker 2: retrieved debris that he believes was from crashed unidentified flying objects.
Speaker 2: This is his quote. He goes, just visually looking at
Speaker 2: the object on the ground, you could tell that it
Speaker 2: was an extraordinary h and anomalous or and anomalous. So
Speaker 2: Jake Barber, who said that he had worked in both
Speaker 2: official and unofficial capacities for the US government, told the
Speaker 2: network it was not human. Barbara told News Nations Ross
Speaker 2: Coulthart that the object looked like a large white egg
Speaker 2: and was about the size of an SUV. The UFO,
Speaker 2: which the US government now calls UAPs, or identified Aerial Phenomena,
Speaker 2: had no engine and no thermal signature. He said, it's
Speaker 2: inconsistent with anything I'd ever seen before. I can also
Speaker 2: tell you that the reaction by my team, we all
Speaker 2: knew that we were dealing with something extraordinary. Barbara said
Speaker 2: it was later confirmed to him that the object was
Speaker 2: a non human intelligence, but he doesn't know what it was.
Speaker 2: He also said that he also said that he picked
Speaker 2: up what he called an eight gone which he described
Speaker 2: as a flying disc with what looked like eight delineated sections.
Speaker 2: Barbara described feeling odd and growing more emotional as he
Speaker 2: got closer to the eight gone object, which we actually
Speaker 2: have a video of him speaking about that. It's like
Speaker 2: a minute long, Okay, he goes, it felt like something
Speaker 2: connected with me. Whenever he saw this eight gone object
Speaker 2: felt like something connected with me. It felt like something
Speaker 2: had tuned into me and my soul and was providing
Speaker 2: me some sense of guidance on what to do and
Speaker 2: how profound what I was doing was it was so
Speaker 2: overwhelming that I began to cry.
Speaker 1: Wow, instantly started to mess with his consciousness. You know.
Speaker 4: Well, that's what I'm saying. It's like emotional state and everything.
Speaker 2: That's not human. No human shit is not doing that.
Speaker 1: I was kind of hoping.
Speaker 4: And that shape that he finds that he found was
Speaker 4: pretty interesting, you know. But I wish you would have
Speaker 4: went into more detail as far as like the material.
Speaker 4: He said it's non human, But like, why why do
Speaker 4: you say that? What is it about the material? What
Speaker 4: could you tell us about it? Yeah, it's been crashed
Speaker 4: and broke open, you know, like what's inside?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: What I mean? Well, was there anything recognizable?
Speaker 2: I'm happy you asked, sir, because we have a little
Speaker 2: minute and thirty nine second clip of him talking about
Speaker 2: it right now.
Speaker 1: Awesome, All right, let's do it.
Speaker 5: NewsNation has independently obtained previously unseen video obtained from a
Speaker 5: secret UAP craft retrieval program. Extraordinary footage clearly shows an
Speaker 5: egg shaped object dangling in a sling below the belly
Speaker 5: of a helicopter.
Speaker 7: Let's slow this down to take a closer look. That's
Speaker 7: an egg shaped UAP suspended from a one hundred and
Speaker 7: fifty foot long line. We're told the craft is about
Speaker 7: twenty feet long. The egg suspended in a cradle, and
Speaker 7: look how careful the pilot is as they bring their
Speaker 7: precious cargo into land. Let's freeze frame here to look
Speaker 7: at one of the clearest images of a UAP ever taken.
Speaker 7: This is no blurry light in a distant sky. The
Speaker 7: source of the footage putting themselves at incredible risk to
Speaker 7: record this UAB the retrieval. Look at how perfectly smooth
Speaker 7: the craft is, no markings at all, and no visible
Speaker 7: means of propulsion or way to see inside. Watch how
Speaker 7: it rolls, almost graceful as it hits the ground, despite
Speaker 7: being wrapped in the ropes and canvas from the cradle.
Speaker 7: As it's dropped for pickup. The UAP's final destination still unknown.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that was I thought that was gonna be
Speaker 2: a video of him talking, But that was Ross Coultart.
Speaker 2: He was the one that works for a news nation
Speaker 2: that broke the story about the whistleblower, Jake.
Speaker 1: Robber, Right, Yeah, I was.
Speaker 4: I was thinking, like, you know, this is supposed to
Speaker 4: be a crashed UFO. You know, whether he said that
Speaker 4: there was no marks or anything like that unless this
Speaker 4: thing is like, you know, impenetrable or you know, you
Speaker 4: can't do anything to harm the outside of it.
Speaker 1: You know, how do they know it was crashed? You know?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Just left there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, seeming more seemingly more left there rather than crashed.
Speaker 2: But this is actually a video of Jake Barber. He's
Speaker 2: being interviewed. Oh, I can't remember what his name is,
Speaker 2: Jesse Michaels or Michelle's. I'm not sure if that's how
Speaker 2: you say it. But it's with Logan, Paul and those people.
Speaker 2: But check this out. This is him. This is the
Speaker 2: bald guy right here with the glasses. That's Jake Barber.
Speaker 2: But you'll be able to hear what he's describing whenever
Speaker 2: he came in contact with so he had had the
Speaker 2: first contact with the egg and then the eight gone.
Speaker 2: The eight gone craft is what he's describing in this
Speaker 2: in this video.
Speaker 1: Okay, have you retrieved a non human craft?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 1: I have. What's the story behind that?
Speaker 6: On this particular night, I got my normal readout for
Speaker 6: the load. This time it included negative souls on board
Speaker 6: and it has matten disclosure for biologics as I'm flying
Speaker 6: and I get closer to this craft, I start having
Speaker 6: this very emotional experience, and the closer I got to
Speaker 6: the object, more emotional I got. It was a beautiful feeling.
Speaker 1: Fuck, it's so weird.
Speaker 6: It's like that minor chord as a kid, that sad beauty.
Speaker 6: I just felt like I was in the presence of
Speaker 6: my mother. It was like a feminine energy. I don't
Speaker 6: know what it was, but the closer I got, the
Speaker 6: more intense it got.
Speaker 1: I hooked up.
Speaker 6: As I'm flying back, I'm like completely overwhelmed, balling my
Speaker 6: eyes out, flying out after at night, like trying not
Speaker 6: to run into mountains and shit, and I'm like, oh
Speaker 6: my god, this is not good. As I get close,
Speaker 6: I make it there, I safely get it popped off,
Speaker 6: and then as I fly away, it goes away.
Speaker 2: All right. So, whenever I first saw that, I was
Speaker 2: hoping that he was talking about the egg, but he
Speaker 2: was talking about the eggn Either way, I thought that
Speaker 2: it was interesting that he said that he felt almost
Speaker 2: a motherly presence, which reminded me of the egg a
Speaker 2: little bit. If you think about it, you know, yeah, yeah, definitely,
Speaker 2: I mean it see to me whenever you gets emotional.
Speaker 2: That just adds a little more validity.
Speaker 1: Mm hm oh yeah, dude.
Speaker 4: I mean he's flying a helicopter pile or flying a
Speaker 4: helicopter trying not to cry and shit like seemingly out
Speaker 4: of nowhere. You know that's unusual, right.
Speaker 2: So after hearing that story, I was like, all right,
Speaker 2: could the egg shape UFO be interdimensional? So there are
Speaker 2: some really crazy physics whenever it comes to this thing
Speaker 2: that have been released or people that are at least
Speaker 2: have been able to observe so, and from you know
Speaker 2: how he described it and everything. So Barbara described the
Speaker 2: craft as egg shaped, metallic, no visible propulsion, no engine,
Speaker 2: and no thermal signature. Whenever he said that there was
Speaker 2: no souls, that's what he meant, no no thermal signature
Speaker 2: such as like no human souls.
Speaker 1: Huh oh okay.
Speaker 2: So conventional flight requires exhaust lift or at least some
Speaker 2: measurable energy trail. This one had none. That strongly suggests
Speaker 2: that it wasn't moving through space the way that we understand,
Speaker 2: but instead bending or phasing around it. That's straight in
Speaker 2: line with interdimensional theories. Craft that can that manipulate space
Speaker 2: time or hop between frequency states rather than pushing through
Speaker 2: air like jets.
Speaker 4: Right, in that sense, the object itself isn't even moving,
Speaker 4: you know, everything else is moving around it exactly.
Speaker 2: Yes, So the egg itself is archetypally a container of
Speaker 2: potential worlds. This is where it gets wild, dude. So
Speaker 2: the orphic egg birth the cosmos, right Hindus Brahmanda cracked
Speaker 2: into heaven and Earth in an esoteric lens. An egg
Speaker 2: shaped UFO could represent a dimensional womb, carrying reality inside
Speaker 2: of it, or allowing beings to pass from one realm
Speaker 2: into another. If the ship is literally shaped like the
Speaker 2: cosmic egg, which it was, maybe that's because it functions
Speaker 2: as a microcosmic pleuroma, a whole little universe inside of
Speaker 2: a shell, capable of stepping between dimensions. Whoa whole other
Speaker 2: universe and it's just wild. So then there are also
Speaker 2: eyewitness parallels, which we kind of talked about a little
Speaker 2: bit earlier. So many UFO experiencers described the inside of
Speaker 2: a craft as larger than the outside. We've heard this
Speaker 2: plenty of times before, right, So it's a classic interdimensional clue.
Speaker 2: So some abductees report being pulled pulled through the wall
Speaker 2: of the craft as if the material was less physical
Speaker 2: and more vibrational. And these accounts resonate with Barber's description
Speaker 2: of a craft with no heat, no propulsion. It's not
Speaker 2: behaving like a thing in our dimension alone. That points
Speaker 2: to it being interdimensional at that point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, I was just thinking about this.
Speaker 4: I did hear a story about an abduction where because
Speaker 4: I was just saying, like, how can something physical be
Speaker 4: abducted by something that's kind of non phys you know.
Speaker 4: But in this abduction story, they the guy that got
Speaker 4: the adductee actually claims that it seemed as though his
Speaker 4: frequency or his vibration, like his body like vibrated differently
Speaker 4: to a higher frequency, and that's what made it possible
Speaker 4: because they just kind of put him through the wall,
Speaker 4: like they didn't bother opening the door. He kind of
Speaker 4: just phased through it almost like his physicality was was adjusted. Yeah,
Speaker 4: to even make that possible, So which who knows, man,
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It makes sense at that point too, though, because especially
Speaker 2: if we tie in the whole red shift and blue
Speaker 2: shift right about how in order to meet them in
Speaker 2: the middle, we have to blue shift. They have to
Speaker 2: red shift, which means they have to lower their vibrational state.
Speaker 2: We have to hire our vibrational state, right if but
Speaker 2: what happens if they come all the way down? Right,
Speaker 2: So now they come all the way down, meaning we're
Speaker 2: not meeting them in the middle, meaning we're not raising
Speaker 2: our vibration in order to match their frequent so that
Speaker 2: it doesn't throw us all the way off. They're coming
Speaker 2: all the way down in that sense when our vibration
Speaker 2: isn't necessarily where it should be, right, and so that
Speaker 2: can make it probably crazy, you know, like as far
Speaker 2: as being in that kind of frequency, being around that
Speaker 2: kind of frequency, you wo'd probably throw you off a
Speaker 2: little bit, which is probably why Jake Barber had that experience, right,
Speaker 2: because he was probably I mean, he's a military guy
Speaker 2: working for the Air Force. He's just a fucking helicopter pilot.
Speaker 2: He's not expecting anything crazily spiritual at that moment, right,
Speaker 2: But all of a sudden he comes in contact with
Speaker 2: this eight gon in this in this egg shaped craft,
Speaker 2: and it is bringing him like crazy stimulative like emotions.
Speaker 4: Emotions, right, almost like there was no choice in the matter,
Speaker 4: like this was just necessary, right, right, So.
Speaker 2: I thought that was kind of interesting, But there is
Speaker 2: also a gnostic and mystical angle to this. So if
Speaker 2: we borrow the orphic egg framework, maybe the egg shaped
Speaker 2: UFO is a manifest a of the same archetype, a
Speaker 2: vessel cracking open to let divine or alien lights spill
Speaker 2: into our dimension. Gnostics might say that the egg in
Speaker 2: quotes isn't a spaceship at all, but a living portal,
Speaker 2: an arconic or ionic projection stepping down from higher planes
Speaker 2: into ours. So it is very plausible that the Jake
Speaker 2: Barber's egg shaped UFO wasn't interplanetary in the usual sense,
Speaker 2: but interdimensional, a container that phases in and out of
Speaker 2: our space time, using the egg archetype as both geometry
Speaker 2: and spiritual symbolism.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's great.
Speaker 4: And I don't know if you remember, but then in
Speaker 4: my past life regression, past life regression, that's what I was.
Speaker 1: I was just like this ball.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I was an egg or a sphere,
Speaker 4: but I felt spherical and I was just made of light.
Speaker 4: And one of the things that you were asking me
Speaker 4: was like, well, why are you there? You know, because
Speaker 4: there was people around and I can see them, and
Speaker 4: I remember we're saying, like the purpose of me even
Speaker 4: being here is to show the people that I'm that
Speaker 4: I'm here, you know that that this is this is possible,
Speaker 4: this is something that that just is, Yeah, to recognize
Speaker 4: that's what they're doing.
Speaker 2: Well, just to to show us, uh that we can
Speaker 2: almost like be whole and we don't have to be
Speaker 2: so fragmented, because that consciousness no matter who you come
Speaker 2: in contact with, could be fucking you know, mantis beings,
Speaker 2: could be pleadians, could be whatever. Right, they always seem
Speaker 2: like they're not necessarily lacking anything, like they got it together,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And could it be that
Speaker 2: they're just trying to show us what that looks like.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I'm just getting like real weird.
Speaker 1: Nose, dude.
Speaker 4: I think this is just one of those things though
Speaker 4: that that puts me in that frame of mind, dude
Speaker 4: that we don't know shit, No, they eggs so much
Speaker 4: deeper than we could even imagine.
Speaker 2: It's very bad. Yeah. So then I was like, all right,
Speaker 2: we just got done doing that siderio astrology episode and
Speaker 2: we found out that, uh, every seventy two years, the
Speaker 2: Earth has a wobble that shifts the constellations one degree, right,
Speaker 2: and with that wobble, I thought, well, that just reminds
Speaker 2: me of what old Neil deGrasse Tyson said whenever he
Speaker 2: said that the Earth is less, uh, you know, globular
Speaker 2: and more pear shaped.
Speaker 1: Oblate spheroid I believe is the.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, oblate spheroid. He called it, also pear shaped, right.
Speaker 1: A little wider at the hips.
Speaker 2: She's a fat bottom girl, right, yeah.
Speaker 4: So I was like, well a pair kind of resembles
Speaker 4: the same shape of an egg, right, Okay, So if
Speaker 4: we're gonna get real weird, let's take it all the
Speaker 4: way there.
Speaker 2: So this there is the scientific shape of the Earth.
Speaker 2: As they say, the Earth is an oblate spheroid, slightly
Speaker 2: flattened at the poles and bulging at the equation due
Speaker 2: to its rotation. Even if you don't believe that the
Speaker 2: Earth is round, just follow me here for this, because
Speaker 2: it's going to be more symbolic than it is like physical,
Speaker 2: is what I'm trying to say. So beyond that, gravitational
Speaker 2: anomalies make Earth slightly pear shaped. The southern hemisphere bulges
Speaker 2: a little bit more than the northern, so the quote
Speaker 2: unquote center of mass is not perfectly even it also wobblesssion,
Speaker 2: with the procession meaning that its axis traces a slow
Speaker 2: circle over twenty six thousand years. Some people like to
Speaker 2: call them the yugas, okay, right, And so if you
Speaker 2: exaggerate these features, the Earth really does look closer to
Speaker 2: an egg or a pair than a perfect ball. So
Speaker 2: then you get into the egg shape. Egg shape as
Speaker 2: an archetype, an egg is whiter on one end and
Speaker 2: narrower on the other. Asymmetry within wholeness. Earth's pair bulge
Speaker 2: in the south echoes that. So from a symbolic point
Speaker 2: of view, the Earth as an egg makes sense a
Speaker 2: womb of life. Ancient myths often describe the cosmos or
Speaker 2: Earth as an egg, as we talked about with the
Speaker 2: Hindu Bramata and the orphic egg and the world egg,
Speaker 2: et cetera. This means that the scientific quote unquote pear
Speaker 2: shape can be seen as a modern echo of the
Speaker 2: cosmic egg archetype Earth itself as a living orphic egg
Speaker 2: containing humanity. So then I was like, all right, let's
Speaker 2: go a little bit farther into that. So this is
Speaker 2: gonna get wild, but it all ties together. So in
Speaker 2: energy healing traditions, the human aura is often described as
Speaker 2: an oric egg, an ovoid field surrounding the whole body.
Speaker 2: So Earth would be the macrocosm may mirror the microcosm
Speaker 2: of your energetic egg field. So dude, all right, the
Speaker 2: wobble of the Earth could be seen as Earth's hatching
Speaker 2: process cycles of age. Remember I just talked about every
Speaker 2: twenty six thousand years. It it does the whole procession, right,
Speaker 2: the slow circle over twenty six thousand years. The hatching process,
Speaker 2: therefore would be the cycles of ages, as like the
Speaker 2: Yugas and astrological ages. So whether we're going into the
Speaker 2: you know, the the age of Aquarius or we're coming
Speaker 2: from the age of Pisces or whatever, right that, there
Speaker 2: always seems to be a uh almost, I don't want
Speaker 2: to just a cycle, you know, there just seems to
Speaker 2: be a cycle. And that could be the slow, the
Speaker 2: slow hatching right where humanity periodically breaks through new shells
Speaker 2: of consciousness and so some esoteric thinkers suggest that Earth
Speaker 2: Earth's egg shape is not accidental but essential. Only listen
Speaker 2: to this. Only an oval form can generate the right
Speaker 2: harmonics for rotation, magnetism and life.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, that's the egg, dude.
Speaker 2: It's the fucking egg. We could be moving in an
Speaker 2: egg right now. So it's an egg within an egg
Speaker 2: within an egg. So you got the human oric egg
Speaker 2: inside of the Earth egg shape, inside of the cosmic
Speaker 2: egg itself. It's like the fucking Russian dolls. Bro.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, holy shit. So yeah above, so below.
Speaker 2: Man, microcosm, macrocosm, all day. So yes, scientifically Earth is
Speaker 2: closer to a pair than an egg, but symbolically the
Speaker 2: distinction is small. It's asymmetry. Wobble and bulge fit right
Speaker 2: into the archetype of the cosmic egg, a container of life,
Speaker 2: perfectly imperfect hatching cycles of creation, containers within a container. Dude,
Speaker 2: that's wild, right, that's neat, just for the symbolism.
Speaker 1: You never I never even would have looked at it
Speaker 1: that way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've heard of the Earth being the oblate spheroid
Speaker 4: and all that, and surely it's very like if you're
Speaker 4: in space looking at it, you probably wouldn't even notice.
Speaker 4: But as it said, if you, if you make it
Speaker 4: more dramatic, then then you would clearly see that that shape.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So and and dude, there's there's all kind of like
Speaker 2: sacred geometry with the egg shape as well, and we're
Speaker 2: not gonna be getting into that because that could take
Speaker 2: us down a whole nother hour.
Speaker 4: At least, sacred geometry is something else.
Speaker 2: Dude, Oh dude, it's crazy because the the egg hatches
Speaker 2: from the the sacred seed, so the sacred seed turns
Speaker 2: into the sacred egg, then turns into the you know,
Speaker 2: the the flour and all this other shit. But yeah,
Speaker 2: so all right, now, how do you put this into
Speaker 2: your own spiritual practice if you're trying to? All right,
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, you know, we like to
Speaker 2: we like to understand and you know, learn about the
Speaker 2: philosophy and everything like that. It's apply it, But how
Speaker 2: do you how do you know, how does it put
Speaker 2: the lotion on its skin?
Speaker 1: What do you do with it?
Speaker 2: So, for a modern seeker, the orphic egg can be
Speaker 2: a powerful meditation tool. Visualizing this self as an egg whole,
Speaker 2: unified yet waiting to crack, can help one connect with
Speaker 2: the process of inner awakening. In meditation, imagine light glowing
Speaker 2: within an egg in your heart or your mind. Within
Speaker 2: each breath, the egg glows brighter until it cracks open
Speaker 2: and floods your being with radiant awareness. This simple visualization
Speaker 2: mirrors the orphic mystery of fanes the light born within,
Speaker 2: So in ritual, the egg can symbolize rebirth, transformation, or
Speaker 2: preservation of divine potential. Placing an egg on an altar,
Speaker 2: painting it with symbols, or using it as in seasonal
Speaker 2: rights echoes ancient practices while empowering the modern mystic. So
Speaker 2: all right, you know, if nothing else, just imagine, you know,
Speaker 2: like it said that in that meditation, which, by the way,
Speaker 2: we do have an egg meditation we're going to be
Speaker 2: meditating on.
Speaker 4: I was hoping you'd say that, Yeah, I would expect
Speaker 4: no less from you.
Speaker 2: It's just, you know, it has to do. We have
Speaker 2: to go there because we're trying to crack that egg
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Speaker 2: what we've discovered, and and if it doesn't align, then
Speaker 2: it's like, all right, well these are things that we
Speaker 2: would never would have probably touched on, you know, right.
Speaker 4: I think it's necessary, you know, because, like we've said before,
Speaker 4: you can kind of get locked into our you know,
Speaker 4: our frame of thinking and just the research that we've
Speaker 4: come along, and you know, and then someone else comes
Speaker 4: along with this whole different way of looking at it,
Speaker 4: and it's like, oh, I'm gonna go ahead and take
Speaker 4: a little bit of that.
Speaker 1: For myself, you know.
Speaker 2: Exactly egg, exactly egg.
Speaker 1: Yes. You know.
Speaker 2: What else I thought too was really cool was the
Speaker 2: the orphic egg that was described in Secret Teachings of
Speaker 2: All Ages. Was that it said that the human is
Speaker 2: the egg, right, and that the snake represents the mysteries
Speaker 2: and it's the mysteries that surround the human and eventually
Speaker 2: that pressure is going to crack that egg, but it's
Speaker 2: the mysteries that are surrounding it, and I thought, holy shit,
Speaker 2: is that's deeply symbolic with meta mysteries at that.
Speaker 4: Yea, oh dude, and just the the egg and the
Speaker 4: serpent in general are both just very symbolic symbols, you know,
Speaker 4: put together in one. Man. It's funny because we were
Speaker 4: just showed my son the Power Ranger movie, the old
Speaker 4: school one you know, with like the purple ooze. I
Speaker 4: forget exactly what that one is called, but basically when
Speaker 4: the when the bad guy comes, it's like this purple
Speaker 4: egg that like comes out of the ground and it's
Speaker 4: like this hand holding a purple egg, and it's just like.
Speaker 1: Okay something to that.
Speaker 4: Man, Yeah, you might want to look at that just
Speaker 4: because it's dude, I watched that movie so many times
Speaker 4: as a young in that I literally I ran out
Speaker 4: the tape and my parents had to buy me a
Speaker 4: new VHS office. Yeah, the special effects definitely do not
Speaker 4: hold up, you know, but uh, that's still fun though,
Speaker 4: you know, old school Power Rangers.
Speaker 2: Dude, that's a classic though. Rip to the White Ranger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, sad he went, he went through it. He
Speaker 1: did so.
Speaker 2: In closing, we are going to crack the shell of
Speaker 2: the cosmos. So the orphic egg is more than a myth.
Speaker 2: It's a timeless symbol of beginnings, of potential and of
Speaker 2: great mystery of consciousness. From chaos and darkness emerged unity,
Speaker 2: then light, then creation. From the egg came fins, and
Speaker 2: from fanes came all things. But the myth does not
Speaker 2: just belong to the cosmos. It belongs to you. Within
Speaker 2: you is the orphic egg, the hidden light, the spark
Speaker 2: of divine consciousness, sealed in the shell of the flesh,
Speaker 2: waiting to be born. The moment you seek nosis, the
Speaker 2: moment you awaken, the shell begins to crack. So the
Speaker 2: next time you see an egg, don't just think of
Speaker 2: breakfast or Easter. Think of the cosmos, think of creation.
Speaker 2: Think of your own soul waiting to break free. The
Speaker 2: orphic egg whispers to us across millennia. Within you lies
Speaker 2: the universe waiting to hatch.
Speaker 4: Dude, I mean, even even Humpty Dumpty was put back
Speaker 4: together again, you know, so.
Speaker 2: Damn, I bet you there's something to that. Actually, there
Speaker 2: has to be. Yeah, dude, Wow, nothing new under the sun.
Speaker 2: How did I not think of that one? I don't know,
Speaker 2: It just came to me like right now, actually, like
Speaker 2: on the spot, Well, what do we got for that
Speaker 2: tarot card?
Speaker 1: Sir?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: We you know what we got? Judgment? Really yeah?
Speaker 4: Actually I told two of them, but the judgment one
Speaker 4: was the one that came out first. We could do
Speaker 4: both of them if you want, but I'd say we
Speaker 4: just do judgment.
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: Where is I think judgments?
Speaker 4: Which is interesting, you know because I think in the
Speaker 4: beginning when you were talking about the fans and all
Speaker 4: of that, it did say something about the wings, you know,
Speaker 4: that it was given or that it that it spawned
Speaker 4: or you know.
Speaker 1: So let's see.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, how about the upright meanings? So the meaning
Speaker 2: of the word judgment is awakening and acceptance.
Speaker 1: Right the cracking of that Shelly damn.
Speaker 2: So judgment serves as the ultimate release when we are
Speaker 2: accepting of the past and our end of ourselves as
Speaker 2: we follow the divine call to our spiritual awakening.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, dude, come on, come on.
Speaker 2: You are ready for the next step in personal growth,
Speaker 2: accepting yourself and releasing the past and the judgment card.
Speaker 2: An angel in the sky blows a trumpet while people
Speaker 2: emerge from caskets, rejoicing as they heed the call emerge
Speaker 2: from caskets. Bro Come on now they're coming out of
Speaker 2: the tomb, you know, like this is wild. The artwork
Speaker 2: on this card references the Biblical resurrection on Judgment Day,
Speaker 2: overt Christian themes aside. What you see on this card
Speaker 2: is a depiction of answering the universe's signs that prompt
Speaker 2: a spiritual awakening. During the awakening process, you reflect on
Speaker 2: your life choices, actions and experiences as you judge yourself.
Speaker 2: Remember to have compassion for who you once were and
Speaker 2: release those judgments so you are able to move on
Speaker 2: from the past.
Speaker 1: Dude, that's pretty spot on.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: It just never seems to amaze me how these just
Speaker 2: align perfectly. The spiritual message behind it says, put your
Speaker 2: energy toward noticing the signs from the universe so you
Speaker 2: can begin releasing yourself from self criticism and judgment. This
Speaker 2: is the time to start accepting your spiritual gifts, moving
Speaker 2: on from past pain, and embracing a new period of
Speaker 2: spiritual awakening.
Speaker 4: Signs from the universe. Man being that cosmic egg. You know,
Speaker 4: that's so universal and well known.
Speaker 2: Wow, that is so amazing. I love that lined up
Speaker 2: the way.
Speaker 1: That it did. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I wasn't even sure if it was going to you know,
Speaker 4: I saw the wings and I was like, oh, we
Speaker 4: did say something about wings or whatever. But yeah, lined
Speaker 4: up way better than I could have imagined, you know,
Speaker 4: which it actually always does really literally awakening.
Speaker 2: Come on now, that's literally the cracking of the egg
Speaker 2: is the awakening. It's the illumination.
Speaker 1: You know, it can be on the veil at this point, man,
Speaker 1: you know, come on now.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I guess. I mean, what do you think
Speaker 4: about the orphic egg? You dig it? It's awesome, dude,
Speaker 4: it's awesome. It looks like a cool tattoo in the making,
Speaker 4: you know, is what I was thinking when I was
Speaker 4: looking at it before we started recording.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's kind of cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that would be a cool tattoo.
Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, so some eyebrows, I'm sure, but yeah.
Speaker 2: It is cool.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 2: You know, the the snake is always seen as you know,
Speaker 2: it's the evil serpent, you know, but in in in
Speaker 2: Mystery Schools and Gnosticism and literally everywhere else, the scene
Speaker 2: the snake is always seen as the one that is
Speaker 2: essentially bringing the the mystery, the wisdom, the sophia, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like it's always the it's the
Speaker 2: light bearer.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like it's so crazy, how how that is just
Speaker 2: I mean, all across all cultures, they all say the
Speaker 2: same thing. And even within Christianity, you know, the devil
Speaker 2: was known as the serpent, which is the light bearer.
Speaker 4: You know, which it joways gets me, you know, because
Speaker 4: like God made the serpent too, you know, and he
Speaker 4: also knew exactly what.
Speaker 1: Was going to go down with that. You know. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like, wait, what's going on over here? You know,
Speaker 1: you're all knowing what are you talking about? Bro?
Speaker 2: It knew at that point. God didn't make the serpent,
Speaker 2: he is the serpent. Yes, that's the That's the real
Speaker 2: truth behind it. I think that, you know, if it's
Speaker 2: all one thing, then he's the good guy, he's the
Speaker 2: bad guy and everything in between, just like you, just
Speaker 2: like me, just like everybody you've ever met. Nobody is perfect.
Speaker 2: Everybody has some light, everybody has some dark. We're a
Speaker 2: perfect little mix of that sense. And you know which
Speaker 2: even if you put it to a neoplatonic view. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're the farthest from the light. That doesn't necessarily mean
Speaker 2: that we're we're the farthest from the the original light source.
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean that you know that we're evil by
Speaker 2: any means. It's just that the light is farthest away.
Speaker 2: But even still we're still in the light, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So you're still a part of that source,
Speaker 2: of that divine essence of that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like that that uh that I don't know what you
Speaker 2: want to call it, the universe, the source, God, whatever
Speaker 2: you want to call it. It really doesn't matter. And
Speaker 2: guess what, it probably doesn't care what.
Speaker 1: You call it.
Speaker 2: So that's the real I mean, I think that that's
Speaker 2: the real shit right there.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's the good.
Speaker 2: That's the good news. So yeah, with that being said, uh,
Speaker 2: we are going to jump into the meditation. But if
Speaker 2: you want, you know, if you're just listening to this
Speaker 2: on the Cult of Conspiracy podcast or on metamisteries, you're
Speaker 2: listening to it on YouTube, we are we always divulge
Speaker 2: of you know, what we experienced during said meditation, and uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what we're gonna get to By the way, if
Speaker 2: you would leave a leave a review, leave us five stars.
Speaker 2: If you can, you can comment on Spotify, do whatever,
Speaker 2: you can share us with everybody, uh, that you feel
Speaker 2: like is going through some sort of spiritual awakening, and
Speaker 2: maybe this spiritual or fic egg and the snake of
Speaker 2: mysteries is just enough to be able to crack that
Speaker 2: even a little bit more amongst your peers, even symbolically.
Speaker 2: And that's the magic of symbolism in general, is that
Speaker 2: it speaks volumes. It's not just surface level, it's everything encompassing.
Speaker 2: It's almost like, oh, what is it called the surface
Speaker 2: level horizon of a black hole? Right, It's like event horizon.
Speaker 2: So the event horizon, they say at the which is
Speaker 2: the surface of a black hole. It encapsulates everything that
Speaker 2: ever has gone on and ever will go on, and
Speaker 2: everything that is currently going on that is on the surface.
Speaker 2: It's the event horizon. It captures every single moment that
Speaker 2: has ever existed within that black hole. And so yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe that's enough to get you excited. Maybe we're living in,
Speaker 2: you know, a black hole.
Speaker 4: Some people say that the sums I think even some
Speaker 4: scientists speculate that that it's possible that we are just
Speaker 4: a universe within a universe, and within that black hole
Speaker 4: is our universe, and you know what I mean, So
Speaker 4: who knows? Man?
Speaker 1: You know, every time I think of.
Speaker 4: A black hole, I I really don't understand it. Like
Speaker 4: as much as I think I'm understanding it, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 4: it's a black hole, but it's full of mass, which
Speaker 4: would tell me that it's.
Speaker 2: Solid, you know, and I don't know. It just gets
Speaker 2: wild for me. Yeah, I mean, but I love it though.
Speaker 2: It's it's pretty damn fascinating. But uh but yeah, that
Speaker 2: being said, we're gonna wrap this baby up and get
Speaker 2: over to the meditation. So uh yeah, hopefully you guys
Speaker 2: really enjoyed that. But if the orphic and came here
Speaker 2: and it taught you anything, it's that you don't know
Speaker 2: what you don't know, so I'll just get weird.
Speaker 1: Stay weird. What'd you think? Dude?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 2: I was uh, I was experiencing some some shit.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, it was elaborate.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So at first I was like, man, that that
Speaker 2: sound is kind of fucking whack, you know, at first,
Speaker 2: because I was like, man, this just sounds like not
Speaker 2: really something that you could get into a meditation with
Speaker 2: at first, and then I was like, but what if
Speaker 2: it is? What if it was you know, and just
Speaker 2: try and prep play around like that, And instantly I
Speaker 2: started thinking of all right, this is where my mind goes.
Speaker 2: So I was thinking, all right, if they say that,
Speaker 2: you know in the Bible, that God spoke the universe
Speaker 2: into into existence, right, and so that means that it
Speaker 2: would have to be some form of harmonics, some form
Speaker 2: of frequency, some sort of sound that ultimately made manifest
Speaker 2: the physical right. And so then and it was just like,
Speaker 2: all right, well now I'm thinking, all right, if you
Speaker 2: got these I don't want to say these beings, but
Speaker 2: just whatever the unity is the source is, right, how
Speaker 2: would it create something out of harmonics? At that point,
Speaker 2: and I was thinking, well, you know, whenever you uh,
Speaker 2: let's just say you have like a dresser or something
Speaker 2: like that, and you're the only one that's pushing it
Speaker 2: and you're trying to move it to a different location
Speaker 2: in your house, or maybe you got like a tool
Speaker 2: bench or something like that that you're trying to move,
Speaker 2: and you know you can't pick it up by yourself,
Speaker 2: so it's going to be scraping across the floor, right,
Speaker 2: almost like tectonic pate, tectonic plates that are shifting a
Speaker 2: little bit. That's almost the vibe that it was given off,
Speaker 2: and that that sound would be emergent from the physical
Speaker 2: being moved at that point. But if, but if sound,
Speaker 2: you know, came first before the physicality, then you would
Speaker 2: almost need that sound in order to create the physical
Speaker 2: So you would need something a little bit more crazy
Speaker 2: sounding like that, like you're really doing some kind of work,
Speaker 2: and so it's gonna sound like, you know, a little
Speaker 2: bit chaotic at that point in order to move some
Speaker 2: shit around.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So then I was thinking, all right, well, I'm trying
Speaker 2: to imagine what that thing looks like. I started thinking
Speaker 2: about the uh, you know, the the angel with the
Speaker 2: wheels and the eyes and all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 2: that that was ultimately the uh, the unified whatever. I mean,
Speaker 2: some people think that that's the angel or whatever. Maybe
Speaker 2: it is. But could that wheel within a wheel with
Speaker 2: all the eyes be the thing that is giving off
Speaker 2: the harmonics, that is pushing and forcing things into physical
Speaker 2: reality of source?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And yeah, I don't know. My mind just started getting
Speaker 2: a little crazy, and then I was like, all right, well,
Speaker 2: if I'm trying to imagine, you know, essentially, you know that, uh,
Speaker 2: what was it like, that one little atom that was
Speaker 2: compressed before the Big b Yeah, man, I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm going crazy. But that one little atom that was
Speaker 2: compressed before the Big bang, the moment of the explosion,
Speaker 2: right before that, you know, I wonder, you know, all right, well,
Speaker 2: if if it was just a void of nothingness, I
Speaker 2: don't First of all, there's never been any such thing
Speaker 2: as nothingness ever, right, nothingness can't exist, right by definition,
Speaker 2: it's never existed. It can't exist. So that would mean
Speaker 2: that that one unified little atom, call that source, call
Speaker 2: that God whatever, call that the the pre Big Bang
Speaker 2: that existed. If it was just existing in the void,
Speaker 2: let's call it. I don't even want to call it nothingness.
Speaker 2: Let's just call it the void. And it almost made
Speaker 2: me wonder, like, all right, then, that means that that
Speaker 2: one little atom that was compressed was still within a
Speaker 2: container of the void itself. And it made me wonder, like,
Speaker 2: I mean, is the void itsself elf conscious?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: And that brings forth like the idea of the end
Speaker 2: and the yang, right, the light inside of the darkness
Speaker 2: and the darkness inside of the light with the two
Speaker 2: fishes chasing each other. Because I would imagine, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of like how I was in the void, I
Speaker 2: was aware of the void. I wonder if the void
Speaker 2: was aware of me. And that's what they say, is
Speaker 2: that you stare into the abyss only to realize that
Speaker 2: the abyss is staring back up at you.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: And what's interesting is when people, you know, as far
Speaker 4: as what I hear, when people go into that that
Speaker 4: DMT realm, it seems like they are with entities that
Speaker 4: are of of other you know, they're not coming from you.
Speaker 4: There of an intelligence other than you outside of you.
Speaker 4: And so if you look at it that way, then
Speaker 4: the void itself would be that still even though to
Speaker 4: you it looked like it was absence of anything, you know,
Speaker 4: but it still had its own intelligence.
Speaker 2: Well, it just made me think, like, all right, that
Speaker 2: void was there before I appeared there, and so that void,
Speaker 2: being by itself, felt home. Nothing was out of the
Speaker 2: ordinary until I popped in. So now it's probably just
Speaker 2: as scared of me as I was of it, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. If if the void itself is
Speaker 2: a conscious thing like a I don't know, maybe it
Speaker 2: just is consciousness.
Speaker 4: It's the it's the you're an interdimensional being to the
Speaker 4: void at that point, yes, and so it's and so
Speaker 4: now it was losing its own mind by staring back
Speaker 4: at me at that point, right, and so now it's
Speaker 4: like we're both lost, and so what do we do
Speaker 4: to figure this out?
Speaker 2: We're gonna fucking combine forces, and your pressure, your pressure
Speaker 2: that you're applying onto the one little atom that is
Speaker 2: me causes the explosion. And you know at that point,
Speaker 2: because at first you're scared of each other, then you're like,
Speaker 2: all right, let's work together. It's all we got, you know.
Speaker 2: And uh, I don't know. I'm just thinking like outside
Speaker 2: the box with that. For some reason, that's where my
Speaker 2: mind went. It went, you know, angels giving off harmonics,
Speaker 2: and the the yin yang essentially being the void, and
Speaker 2: the awareness and the awareness also be the void also
Speaker 2: be consciousness and awareness and of itself.
Speaker 1: Mmm, no, that's cool. I love it. I see.
Speaker 4: I love where the mind goes because I'm sure you
Speaker 4: weren't intending on going there. No, you didn't know where
Speaker 4: you were gonna go. You didn't know what you'd end
Speaker 4: up pondering. But whatever kind of just starts, and then
Speaker 4: you kind of just let that build and let it
Speaker 4: kind of develop on its own, almost, and then here
Speaker 4: you are trying to figure out or understand the beginning
Speaker 4: of everything.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 4: It's like, I love that kind of shit. It's one
Speaker 4: of my favorite things to think about. I know that
Speaker 4: it's something that we'll never understand, and let's be honest,
Speaker 4: you can try.
Speaker 1: It's fun to think about, you know. But it's funny
Speaker 1: how you.
Speaker 4: Went on too pondering about the beginning of everything, And
Speaker 4: what I was thinking about it was the like eternal now,
Speaker 4: you know, and that's what I went to. And as
Speaker 4: far as like because I know that we tend to
Speaker 4: do that, we tend to go to the extremes. We
Speaker 4: go to the beginning of everything, or the beginning, you know,
Speaker 4: the alpha or the omega, the very end of something,
Speaker 4: the end of something's life. And I think that, and
Speaker 4: I know it sounds cliche, but I feel like we
Speaker 4: should just be focusing on right now because I feel
Speaker 4: like we're always or at least let me speak for myself,
Speaker 4: I feel like there's always like this ramping up of something,
Speaker 4: like it's always something's building for this next thing or
Speaker 4: this thing we have coming up next month or this like, oh,
Speaker 4: let's get this new promotion or let's all we're gonna
Speaker 4: maybe buy a house. Like it's always like this thing
Speaker 4: that's not here, and it's like it's never here. But
Speaker 4: then I feel like we're just we're missing it. We're
Speaker 4: missing the right now.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 4: It's like, but there's no, it's not a race. It's
Speaker 4: not this fucking competition that we're at odds with everything
Speaker 4: all the time. Let's just like enjoy what we have
Speaker 4: right now. That I heard this one guy and I
Speaker 4: don't remember who was saying that, but he was talking
Speaker 4: about like the purpose of life, you know, and just
Speaker 4: saying like, in his opinion, the thing that we should
Speaker 4: be doing with the purpose in life is to just
Speaker 4: enjoy the passage of time. You know, Like that's it,
Speaker 4: Like we're in it here. We are like, don't be
Speaker 4: so you know, anxious to get somewhere else or to
Speaker 4: be you know, to build up to this next higher
Speaker 4: level of something.
Speaker 1: It's just like be here, dude, because that's all we
Speaker 1: got always exactly.
Speaker 4: And so yeah, it's funny that you mentioned the the
Speaker 4: angels with the with the eyes whatever because at one
Speaker 4: point I didn't feel like I saw a bunch of
Speaker 4: bunch of eyeballs like staring.
Speaker 1: Back at me.
Speaker 4: Really, and you bring up the void like observing you. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so that's kind of cool. But yeah, I mean, other
Speaker 4: than that, nothing, nothing too crazy happened. But it did
Speaker 4: feel pretty pretty mystical in its own right, you.
Speaker 2: Know, dude. Yeah, it's man, it's just so crazy because
Speaker 2: it's it's things that you never think think about, that
Speaker 2: you know that you think about, that you tend to
Speaker 2: think about. In meditation, it just causes you to zoom
Speaker 2: in farther than you've ever zoomed in before, because what
Speaker 2: else are you gonna do? You know, you're not worried
Speaker 2: about your next meal, you're not worried about sleeping, you're
Speaker 2: not worried about anything sexual or working, or you're not
Speaker 2: worried about any of that in meditation because you're you're
Speaker 2: in that higher perspective, and that higher perspective doesn't need
Speaker 2: all those things. You know, that higher perspective can see
Speaker 2: beyond just the materialistic shit that is inevitably going to
Speaker 2: be taken from our cold, dead hands, you know, And
Speaker 2: that's the beauty of going so deep in meditation, even
Speaker 2: if dude, that was only nine minutes, nine and a
Speaker 2: half minutes something like that, and we were able to
Speaker 2: gather a lot of information, you know, first off from
Speaker 2: you know, the content of what of which we talked about,
Speaker 2: but like you know, and then combining that with that
Speaker 2: sound and you know, and man, it's just crazy that
Speaker 2: information and meditation birth's new thought.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And like you said, you know, you just never know
Speaker 4: where it's gonna go. Like in the beginning of that meditation,
Speaker 4: I was just trying to get into it, you know,
Speaker 4: just like all right, let me see what vehicle do
Speaker 4: I need to get here, you know, to get where
Speaker 4: I'm going. And I just imagined that I was like
Speaker 4: inside of an egg of a ufover whatever you want
Speaker 4: to call it. I'm inside of this thing and it's
Speaker 4: just just barely big enough for me to sit inside
Speaker 4: of it. And I was able to, like in my imagination,
Speaker 4: I was just imagining instead of me moving around, I
Speaker 4: imagine that it was just fixed in one location and
Speaker 4: everything else was just like just like shifting around and
Speaker 4: I'm just stationary, yeah, you know, And then I just
Speaker 4: imagine that I'm in this very comfortable, like this thing
Speaker 4: is specifically built for me, and like I just try
Speaker 4: to take it there. And then I just went super relaxed,
Speaker 4: and then the thoughts just started going and and and
Speaker 4: I used to try not to think about shit, but
Speaker 4: like once something starts, then I'm like, okay, let me
Speaker 4: build on that and let me just see. There was
Speaker 4: a time recently too where I was getting like it
Speaker 4: seemed like I was getting images of like almost symbolically,
Speaker 4: and it felt like almost like a psychic thing going
Speaker 4: on where I was like, okay, what does and I
Speaker 4: forget exactly now the things that I was being shown,
Speaker 4: but I was like, okay, now what does that mean?
Speaker 4: And then I would like see something else, and like
Speaker 4: it was like I was figuring. So maybe, of course,
Speaker 4: I'm sure it was just my subconscious or whatever, but
Speaker 4: whatever you want to call it, it was still I
Speaker 4: was working with that right right and intentionally. Once it
Speaker 4: started happening, it was very interesting. Well, spy and whatever
Speaker 4: you want to call that.
Speaker 2: I mean, let's just say, for the sake of this conversation,
Speaker 2: let's just say that you're working essentially with intelligence of
Speaker 2: some sort, it seems, and this is the thing that
Speaker 2: it took me so long to figure out. But it
Speaker 2: seems that if we are able to communicate with anything telepathically,
Speaker 2: call it God, call it angels, call it ancestors, call
Speaker 2: it whatever, divine intelligence, whatever, right, whatever it is that
Speaker 2: you're communicating with, it is not loud at all. It
Speaker 2: is extremely subtle, like so subtle that it's barely a breeze.
Speaker 2: But it's but it's like it's almost like if you're
Speaker 2: a flag, you're getting like a little tassel movement, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like you're just a little fiber
Speaker 2: that the that the breeze of this consciousness or this
Speaker 2: intelligence is barely fluttering up against. And that's something that
Speaker 2: I noticed. And so which makes sense why you know
Speaker 2: people have praised, you know, people going into meditation, because
Speaker 2: unless you're in that that you know, that meditative state
Speaker 2: where everything finally slows down in your brain, you know,
Speaker 2: you're not so much worried about your thoughts, you're just
Speaker 2: you know, floating in the ocean of consciousness at that point.
Speaker 2: Whenever you're finally there, that's whenever that that soft, little,
Speaker 2: barely fart of a whisper comes through and it it
Speaker 2: shines a light on it, and I think that that's
Speaker 2: what that is. I think that that has to be,
Speaker 2: that has to be whatever is out there outside of
Speaker 2: just our mind is what you know, we can that
Speaker 2: we have the ability to communicate with as long as
Speaker 2: we you know, turned down the FM radio and tune
Speaker 2: into XM or whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, And like you said, it's a whisper,
Speaker 4: you know. But once you are able to actually notice
Speaker 4: that little wave of the tassel, then you can like
Speaker 4: magnify it, you know, and shed more light on that. Okay,
Speaker 4: so what else can I get from this now, you know?
Speaker 4: In meditation?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a it's freaking interesting, dude.
Speaker 1: It's interesting.
Speaker 4: I never I never before doing the show, I never
Speaker 4: really realized just that just that in general, just being
Speaker 4: able to pay attention to those little things, you know.
Speaker 4: And it's like, ultimately, even if you don't even want
Speaker 4: to call it some divine intelligence outside.
Speaker 1: Of you, let's just say it to you.
Speaker 4: Still, you're working with the side of yourself that you
Speaker 4: didn't even know it was there.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, It's it's pretty damn powerful. And I love it.
Speaker 2: I love working with it. And I think that that's
Speaker 2: you know, that's got to be the next step whatever
Speaker 2: it is. It's like, that's how you access it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And eventually, dude, I think that maybe, let's say
Speaker 4: another hundred years or so, just to be fair, you know,
Speaker 4: I feel like more and more people are going to
Speaker 4: be aware of noticing the little movement of the tassel
Speaker 4: if you will, you know, and I and it's just
Speaker 4: going to be normal.
Speaker 2: I would think regularly that it would be about one
Speaker 2: hundred years, but I say give it fifteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's exponential, right.
Speaker 2: It's like it's shit speeding up, bro, like it is.
Speaker 2: And maybe it's just a personal thing to me, or
Speaker 2: a personal thing to us, or personal thing to the
Speaker 2: one that's listening that are also experiencing like these in
Speaker 2: extraordinary things that have no explanation. It's like, I think
Speaker 2: that it's it's just happening more often, and.
Speaker 4: In the words of Terrence McKenna, it is just gonna
Speaker 4: get weirder and weirder, and eventually people are gonna have
Speaker 4: to start talking about it.
Speaker 3: Yea.
Speaker 2: So yes, Terrence Howard or Terrence Howard. Terrence McKenna was
Speaker 2: a real one too. Terrence Howard's a real one too.
Speaker 2: But yeah, all the Terrences out there, something about them.
Speaker 1: Dude. If you're a Terrence, we're talking to you too.
Speaker 2: My next dog will be named Terrence for sure.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: So anyway, the one, we appreciate you sticking with us
Speaker 2: through all of this spiritual madness. Hopefully you got a
Speaker 2: little something from it, at least something symbolic of the
Speaker 2: the orphic egg, and maybe you can find a way
Speaker 2: to apply that to your own life and to your
Speaker 2: own consciousness and keep on breaking that show.
Speaker 1: Baby. That's it. That's it, so you can do anyhow.
Speaker 2: All right, Well we're gonna dip it out, dip out
Speaker 2: of here, and so we'll see you on the flip side, Okay,