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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of Your Wrong

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with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of the Federalist and

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David Harsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just as

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a reminder, if you'd like to email the show, please

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do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. We

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love to hear from you. I've got a lot of

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mail this week, Molly. People are very concerned about my health.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Last week you broke the news that you had

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broken all the bones in your body in a horrific

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bicycle accident. We got a lot of mail about that,

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people sharing their stories about when they took tumbles on

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bicycles or broken bones.

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Speaker 1: I have to say it was very nice. It made me.

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It was very nice to see people concerned and telling

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me their own stories and not just saying that you

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Sometimes I just say that, but no, I mean it.

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You had related story to us, Molly, about your brother

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who had a horrific bike accident about you know, years ago.

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Was it a decade ago or something?

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Speaker 2: Decades ago?

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Speaker 1: Decades ago? And we got this email. Should I share

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the name? We didn't get permission Mark from Mark, which

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I loved. Hello, this is the email I respect Molly's

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quest to avoid noughty language, but during Bicycle Talk TM,

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she mentioned her brother's accident and she said, quote he

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went bum over handlebars and tore his scrotum close quote.

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The term bum was used as a polite substitute for ass.

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I just want I just want to say that it

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would be much softer on my yours personally to hear

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five fifty thousand consecutive f bombs and ever hear towards

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growed them. Please avoid that one, unless, of course, you

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want to somehow weave the term torn scrowed him into

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every podcast from now on a comedic device. Of that,

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I would be supportive. So that's an excellent email.

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Speaker 2: So when we got this one, I actually read it

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out loud to my husband, and then also the team

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that gets the email at the inbox and like sends

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it to us posted it in the staff chat. They

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were like, this is the best email we've ever gotten

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for you're wrong. I will admit that I got a

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lot of I don't know if I want to call

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it angry email, but like horrified email from men who

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could not believe I so casually told that story.

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Speaker 1: It's tough on the ears. I have to say when

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you said it, it was a bit. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: One of our regular listeners was like, this can never

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happen again. You can never tell me. But also, in

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the spirit of this last email, to just say it

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fifty thousand times. In an episode, I was my brother

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happened to be visiting. I was in a different state

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and happened to be visiting last weekend, and we went

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to the Army two hundred and fiftieth. And while at

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the Army two fiftieth I introduced him to someone who said,

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is this the brother who tore his scrub? Anyway, my

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brother's wife so this is my brother was not married

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at the time, he was in college. But my brother's

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wife was saying that every single person he encountered after

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that accident, like the EMTs, the ambulance drivers, the doctors

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at the hospital, every single person was a female, which

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he felt just somehow made the situation even worse because

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it was just so embarrassing but or not embarrassing but uncomfortable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't know. I'm a woman. So I apologize for

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horrifying all of our male listeners with that story. But

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someone asked me if my brother was upset at being shared,

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and I was thinking, I don't think so, like I

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think going through it was horrible, and he just wants

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other people to know he survived, happily married.

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Speaker 1: He wants other people to know he wants the most

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horrible thing that can ever happen to him.

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Speaker 2: Man, right, Yeah, it didn't make you feel like maybe

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it could have been worse David Hurst?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure. But remember last week I was

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kind of showing off and I told you I'm not

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wearing this cast anymore. I hate it. Well, I went

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to the doctor. They found me one other broken bone

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and maybe a third one in just my hand, and

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they put me in a hard cast. So I will

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I will be in this for six weeks. I didn't

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get away with anything.

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Speaker 2: It's like a complete cast over the hand and arm.

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Speaker 1: It looks me what color I wanted, I got dark blue.

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These casts are amazing. Yeah, fiberglass, Yeah all right, Well.

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Speaker 2: Godspeed and you can't ride your bike with it on.

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Speaker 1: I can't ride my bike. You can't do a lot

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of things.

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Speaker 2: What do you do to work out?

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Speaker 1: Walking? Which I hate. I I've been typing columns with

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one finger on my left hand. So it takes all

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long time, but all the wisdom is still within it,

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within those pieces.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we talk about we got war, war, it's happened.

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Speaker 1: Oh, there's so much to tackle here and so much happened.

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But I just to preface this whole thing. I just

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want to say, because I think now it's lost because

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of everything that's happened since. But let's just talk about

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the day the attack happened. I don't know if people

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appreciate how, you know, take America out of it. We'll

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talk about all that later, but appreciate what kind of

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incredibly precise, widespread kind of military operation this was. It

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is one of the most impressive of all time in

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my view. You know, just the way that they took

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out the leadership of the country they were attacking, the

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way the president of the United States and the Israelis

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lulled them into complacency. I think that was really incredible.

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The way they took out many of the bad the

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way they just the way they the way Mosad built

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a drone factory within the enemy country and used it

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to take out nuclear scientists and revolutionary guard generals and

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so forth. I just think it was an incredibly impressive

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military operation, especially for a small country to pull off

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that initial wave at least. And I mean now they

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do control the air, you know, over Iran, and I.

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Speaker 2: Think let's just take it like piece by piece. I

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also thought it was really impressive, although I get nervous

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about evaluating something based just on what you're told happened,

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and what I mean by that. We like even I

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saw people talking about the drone operation and how they

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had people on the inside building these drones and deploying them,

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and I wanted to be.

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Speaker 1: Like, shut up, I think that's true.

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Speaker 2: They're in there, and like you don't want to like

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brag about everything you're doing at of those people's lives

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being quite you know, Like I think it was cool

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to talk about it later, you know, I think it.

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Speaker 1: Was blown by then. That and I think that Israel

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likes to create paranoia within Iran that things are going on,

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that there'll be more surprises, you know what. I mean

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that they used to do this as well when they

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were fighting against the Arabs, and part of is true.

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I mean mostly does have impressive operations. I mean, think

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about what they did to his ball on the pagers.

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I think this was way more intricate and you know,

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impress it. But yeah, I'm sorry, going.

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Speaker 2: Well, even like what you just said, it is possible

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that they were playing that up for the purpose of

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making the surviving leaders feel very paranoid, and that's fine.

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I just want people to understand that at times of war,

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you basically can't believe at least half of what you're

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being told. And there was this weird thing where on

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Thursday night it was clearly a very very effective strike,

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but there was this like triumphalism among the chattering class

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of it being like it's over, Israel just did the

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best thing in the history of the world, and like

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Iran is decapitated and it's all over. And then like

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two days later they're like, oh, and by the way,

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we need you to help us with this war. And

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I just want like everyone to just calm down a

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little bit, like be more mature, learn how things are

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being done, assess the situation. And then you also said

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you thought, okay, so the precise nature of the operation,

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I agree with that. That's pretty impressive. The lulled into

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complacency thing, I think you're right, but I also want

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to make sure that Okay, this is a complex thing.

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But you think that Israel did this with the full

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support and approval of the United States. Yeah, and so

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you think that when Trump said he would like them,

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and when he continues to say he would like them

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to deal, that that's just like.

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Speaker 1: A ruse or no, you like them to deal. No,

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I think he Well today he said complete surrender, exclamation point.

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Speaker 2: On a conditional surrender.

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Speaker 1: Unconditional surrender. I think, of course he wanted a deal.

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I think Israel really wanted a real deal. You know,

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this idea that Israel's out for this is hard on

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that nation. It's a small nation. It shuts everything down

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for a long time. There were lives lost, there's danger involved.

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But yes, I think that he wants a deal. I think,

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you know, he'd like a deal. And I think he

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gave them the sixty day warning. On the day sixty one,

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Israel attacked people. Pretend like, boy, if we just went

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a little further piece was on the horizon. We've been

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sanctioning Uron since nineteen seventy nine. For two decades, we've

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been negotiating with them. They're constantly playing us, you know,

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for Swiss, Franks and europe palettes filled with Euros and

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things like that, and I think Trump just had enough.

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I think he saw some intelligence whatever that is or isn't,

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that he didn't like, and sooner or later this was

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going to happen. Now, it should happen a long time ago.

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Whether they're two months away or two years away, completely

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irrelevant to me. I at this level, at this level

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of sorry of uranium enrichment, there's only one reason for it,

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and everyone on Earth knows what that reason is. So

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the rest of it is just you know when and

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why things happen sort interrupt.

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Speaker 2: I just want to acknowledge to everybody that I am

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going to annoy everybody because I feel like I'm in

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the middle, and it's only popular to be in the

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like one extreme or the other extreme, and so I

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basically find myself agreeing with like half of what everybody says. So,

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for instance, what you just pointed out, they're clearly trying

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to develop a nuclear to nuclear warfare capabilities, and they

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have explained that they want these so that they can

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eradicate Israel off the face of the earth. They have

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been very clear and consistent about why they want it

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and why it's so important for them. Now certainly many

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other bad or you know, not great countries have nuclear capabilities,

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whether it's Pakistan or North Korea, including you know, countries

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with leadership that doesn't seem totally saying or always operating

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in their nation's best interests. It's also true that, you know,

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you can kind of understand in this day and age

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why every country is seeking nuclear capabilities, because if you

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don't have them, it's very easy for other people to

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run rough shot over you. But even acknowledging all that,

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I think most people agree that Iran does not seem

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like a country that can be trusted with nukes, and

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so then the question is what do you do about it?

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And I think on that score there is a lot

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of debate, and so like this weekend, I think it

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was Antan Yahoo with the Brett Baer interview, was saying

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that they had that Israel had seriously diminished Iran's nuclear

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capabilities and set them back quite a bit. That's great news.

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I love that. I think for Trump, he's like, I'm

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just sick of playing this game, period, and I don't

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want to have to come back in a few years

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when they've gotten back up to speed. And so you

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can also understand that. It's just that most people don't

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ever in any way think through the long term consequences

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of major action. And I'm not hearing anybody do that now.

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And it's terrifying to me, Like you're actually hearing people

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say things that I just thought we'd never hear again,

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like they'll we'll be greeted as liberators when we take

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Tran and it's like, oh, my gosh, that's a cliche

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or like that's a joke from the Iraq War because

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of how wrong we were, and Iraq is so much

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more simple of a country than Iran. And I'm just

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worried it's going to be a mess.

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Speaker 1: I have not heard anyone say that. Who says that.

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I don't have but listen, I don't want to argue

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for someone act like that.

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Speaker 2: Oh a lot of people are saying it. They say

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things like like Iran, all the people are just yearning

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to be free, that the Iotola commandity. It's like this

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realization I had that Russians weren't persecuted by Putin. They

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all pretty much like him or think he's too squishy.

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situation and that the culture of Iran is not Western

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and they're not going to respond to the same things

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that like George W. Bush thinks everybody is going to

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respond to. Like it's just different countries are different, and

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they have different interests, and they have different ways of living,

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and that goes back millennia in the case of Iran

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and is pretty persistent, you know. And they're not like

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a freedom loving country necessarily.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to say they're a freedom loving country,

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but I think that they are different than Iraq in

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other Arabic countries. The Iranian nationality is much more cohesive now.

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Obviously there are many minorities there. It could be a

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huge blow up. I don't think that Israel cares very

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much about that. By the way, here, let me take

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a step back. Israel is fighting a war the old

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fashioned way to beat the enemy, not to rebuild them,

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not to have democracy there. I don't think Israel really cares.

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I mean, yes, they want to undermine the regime, but

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they are hitting every military target there and they're never

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going to land troops there, and Americans aren't going to

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land troops there. Either. No one is rebuilding that country,

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no one. There's no appetite for that. No one other

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than maybe Lindsay Graham has said anything in that, Cindy,

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Donald Trump is not landing troops to police and a

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nation building Iran. I just don't think that's in the

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cards at all. I don't think Israel wants that. I

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don't even think Israel cares very much who's in charge there,

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as long as whoever is in charge doesn't have nuclear weapons.

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It's that simple. But you said something before about the

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US asking Israel asking us to intercede. Yes, that's what

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the reports say. I have a theory about that. It

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could be wrong about a lot of stuff. I think

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Donald Trump is using American involvement as leverage to scare

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the crap out of the Mulahs so that they will

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surrender and give in. I don't you know, Listen, I

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have no problem with it. By the way, I know

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we can argue about this. If there's a bunker buster

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for Fodrow or whatever it's called, nuclear facility buried in

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the mountain because there's no way to get to it,

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I think that would be good for the United States.

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But I'm not one hundred percent sold on this whole thing.

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I think it's also kind of a disinformation in a way.

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I'm sure I saw reports that Israel hadn't asked yet

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for any help. I think they're doing a pretty good job.

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so far as wars go, they're doing a relatively good

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job and controlling the airspace over Iran. I don't know,

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and America helps, of course, America helps with intelligence with

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knocking down some rockets and things like that, but the

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Israel's taken on most of the load, especially, and all

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of the load as far as offensive military action.

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Speaker 2: Okay said about the intel saying that they were within

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days or weeks or whatever of having a nuclear bomb?

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What is that intel? Can you tell us?

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Speaker 1: No? I can't. I mean, what are you think Israel's

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going to share their intel with us? I mean the journal?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why do you believe it?

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Speaker 1: I believe that they've been close forever?

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Speaker 2: I do too, I mean, or I should say they've

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been saying it for I mean, how long has Israel

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been saying that Iran is within days of getting.

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Speaker 1: Not days or weeks? But I mean I've heard this.

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Speaker 2: If I'm mad, and has they been going on for

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like twenty years? So why now? What is it about?

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Speaker 1: I'll give you why. Years ago, in the nineteen nineties

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when they first started on this program, which they said

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they weren't doing, but later we found out they had

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been trying to get news till two thousand and three,

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supposedly stopping then. Since then, the Israelis have stucksnet or

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whatever it was called, virus, flame, virus, stars, virus. They

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blew up a bunch of facilities, they killed a bunch

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of nuclear scientists. They've done a lot to slow down

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that process. On top of that, the Iranians are always

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doing that. They're speeding up, slowing down their nuclear program

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to use his leverage in their own negotiations, so the

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Americans will send them pallets of cash not to go forward.

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I mean, who knows, you know it all. The point

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is not how far they are from actually like putting

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together a nuclear warhead. The problem is there's a point

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of no return where they've been rich uranium enough that

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they can do it in two weeks. And the Wall

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Street Journal says, now today a new story that broke

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as I'm reading, you know, as of an hour ago,

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and we recorded that the Americans didn't believe that, you know,

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the Commanee had given the go ahead, but that they're

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only two months away or two weeks away, you know,

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from doing it. Israel can't afford that this is a

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clandestine operation by an enemy that wants a weapon that

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will essentially cause a second Holocaust there, you know, or

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a holocaust there for them if they got these weapons,

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and they have to be perfect So why would would

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America not attack a country that was two weeks, two months,

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two years away from a weapon that they threaten to

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use against you. This is I don't even understand the

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argument of why they have to be perfectly on, you know,

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to nail the exact date that there'll be a nuclear

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weapon to throw in it.

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Speaker 2: No, I actually think that's a really good point. And

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then also I was thinking about this as it relates

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to October seventh, which I think was a really big

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wake up call to the people in Israel. It's like

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they had convinced themselves that when the people when Hamas

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said we would like to kill you, or like from

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the river to the sea, we're going to eradicate you,

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they like to think, oh, that's just like a slogan,

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it's just something that they say. And then after October seventh,

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they've realized, oh no, they really truly will never stop,

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you know, wanting to wipe us off the face of

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the earth. And so they started taking things much more seriously,

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and that does lead to, you know, the very serious

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loss of life thanks to the way Hamas has kind

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of captured people in in the Gaza strip. It is

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why I think you saw these amazing operations against Hezbola

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in Lebanon, and it's also why you see them being

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much more worried about Iran. I mean, like Israel's always

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taken Iran very seriously, but I do think this latest

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action shows that they realize, like, once they get it,

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they're going they're going to use it, and they don't

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seem to care. People would kind of understand what it's

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like to be Israel in this situation and be facing

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a legitimate existential threat.

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Speaker 1: Well, I just wanted to take a quick step back

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and say, I understand why Americans would be nervous about

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getting involved in anything in the Middle East. Like, I

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get it. Iraq was a disaster, it was we should

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not be involved in what is it the pottery barn rule,

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Like we don't have to fix things there every time

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we break something we didn't. This whole conflict falls on

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the shoulders of one nation, and that's Iran. They've been

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given a million chances by the United States to just

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have a civilian nuclear program to keep doing this, and

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sooner or later Israel could not had to do something.

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And you made a great point about October seventh. Israel

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has real People don't realize this because of all the

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protests and everything, but in the real world, Israel has

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can completely transform the Middle East. Tamas is nothing, Habala

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is almost finished. Syria fell, There might be a person

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in Syria right now. Once peace Syria. Let Israel use

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its airspace right now to deal with Iran, just so

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people know. You know, Israel's at peace with most sonny nations.

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Iran is the only sort of real problem in the

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Middle East for Israel right now. And the Middle East

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has changed. It's changed since October seventh. It was just

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a horrifying event. And obviously Israel had been planning for

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this for a long time. I mean to track down

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all these like you're saying, we don't know everything, but

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to track down the virtually the entire military leadership of

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a nation, you know, and blow them up as planes

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are coming in. So the chain of commands all messed up.

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I mean, I don't know, it wasn't as bad as

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they thought, you know what I mean, like like you acting.

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Speaker 2: Like on night one that it was over and they

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were all being like, haha, anyone who thought there was

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any downside to going to having an Israel a rack

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war or US involvement in Israel wor they're losers and

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they're wrong. It's like we literally like eight hours into

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it and people were acting triumphalist. And it's not even

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about whether the war part can happen pretty well, like

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the war part in Afghanistan actually went great. I think

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people forget that, like it was a really decisive victory.

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It was what happened after also a rock. It's what

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happens after that is of a concern. And let me

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just say on that point, well before I say another

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critical thing, I want to say why I'm not like

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totally freaking out here is that I don't think any

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president in my lifetime has handled like had has done

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a better job of moving toward his foreign policy really matches,

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in my view, the American foreign policy, which is not

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to not use our military. It's also not to get

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involved in lengthy wars with no chance of success. He

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likes to strike hard and then leave, basically, and that

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is very much aligned with I think the vast majority

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of Americans. They are not at either extreme that you

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hear so much of in like on Twitter and stuff

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like that. And Trump has done a really good job

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in his first term and he has built up a

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lot of credibility with that, and so I think that's

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why you're seeing so much support for this. At the

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same time, people are right to be worried because if

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you do. You know, one of the things that Israel

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had said at first and then they kind of walked

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back from, was that they did want regime change. And

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if they did that, and it's understandable why, right, they've

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got a crazy regime. But the history of regime change

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in the world is just not a good one. Almost

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always you get like a bad guy, a really really

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really bad guy replaced somehow with an even worse guy,

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or even just the chaos and unrest that happens. And

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so you hear a lot of people being like the

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US is the only country that can do the bunker

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busting bomb to go after the nuclear facility, and so

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that's why they need to go to war also against Iran.

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It's also true that the US would be the only

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one that could nation build if true chaos broke out.

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And that's what I think people are worried about, is

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that they would be dragged into a really long, intractable

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situation like we always are, and always for like really

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good reasons, you know, like Saddam Hussein has weapons of

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mass destruction and he's a tyrant against the world, you know,

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and everyone goes yay. I mean, i'd like that war

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was probably even more supported by Americans than this one,

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and it was supported for years and then it became

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this albatross around Bush's neck. But people are nervous about that,

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and for very very good reason.

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, let me go back to you.

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You were saying how people were triumphant on the first day. Well,

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I'm sorry, a lot of people out there made predictions

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about World War three breaking out, and that's a fact

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who have big audiences, Tucker Carlson and others who were

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wrong about it completely. That's a fact.

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Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait, I actually don't agree with them, But

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how do you know they're wrong completely?

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Speaker 1: Well, wait another week, because they said, for instance, very specifically,

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what was going to happen. Tucker said that Russia was

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going to come in and help, that China was going

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to come in and help, the world war would break out.

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Russia said, we're not helping you at all, and he

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mentioned bricks. Which is this not even a military treaty.

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It's an economic group that they're part of with India

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and others. And India doesn't want Iran to have a

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nuclear weapon either, or probably does Russia frankly, and China

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probably doesn't care. They want oil from Iran, but they

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don't want any rn to be a nuclear power. So

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this was just scare mongering.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't think that's fair. I want to again

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say I don't agree with that assessment. I don't think

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that the world is clamoring to help out Iran. In fact,

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I think it's the opposite. I think it's interesting how

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quiet the neighbors of Iran who've been about this. You've

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heard a little like some performative like please the Israel

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shouldn't do this, But it's not like the kind of

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saber rattling that you've heard in the past, and I

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think it's because the whole region views Iran as a

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and you also, as you noted, Russia said we're not

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getting involved and all that. So I don't agree with

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the assessment. However, I think it's worth remembering what the

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predictions were about the Ukraine Russia War when Russia invaded

476
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Ukraine and a lot of people said like that the

477
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whole world would unite against Russia, and it's worth remembering

478
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that those bricks countries did not. They did not join

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with the US battle to do sanctions or to otherwise

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do support of Ukraine against Russia. It was a very

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limit like nobody seemed to want to get involved in that.

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And so a reference to bricks is not the stupidest

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thing in the world, because we are a very powerful country,

484
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in part because you know, we have the reserve currency

485
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of the world, and a lot of countries would love

486
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to see us fail. And you can fail in part

487
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by being overextended economically, or being involved in a lot

488
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of things far field of home, or having a country

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that has a lot of crumbling infrastructure and institutional crumbling

490
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while being involved in wars in Russia, Ukraine, Iran, other

491
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areas of the Middle East, and in China. You know,

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like we can get over extended pretty easily. China oves

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when we do Middle East war. They think that there's

494
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nothing better because they go and they build and they

495
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expand their domain while we are distracted in the Middle

496
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East or in Ukraine or whatever. So I don't find that.

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I don't find the assessment of some of the people

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who are like, world War three will break out within

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five hours. True, but even World War One it took

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a month, which was like the quickest time ever to

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a world war. Still took a month to have World

502
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War one breakout right from the first action to everybody

503
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being at war.

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Speaker 1: I think it's scare mongering. There won't be World War three.

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No one's coming to Iran's aid. Everyone knew no one

506
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was going to come to Iran's aid. The US is

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not going to be involved in some protracted forever war

508
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in Iran. It's not happening. They haven't literally not dropped

509
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a bomb yet.

510
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Speaker 2: Right, Okay, So do you think the US is involved

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in the Russia Ukraine war?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we are. We are selling just as we are

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in the Israeli war. We're selling one side weapons. We're involved,

514
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but that doesn't you know, I mean, and what's the point?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's been a lot of money. It's also turned

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out that we have been doing all but having boots

517
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on the ground, like supplying the intelligence, providing the infrastructure,

518
00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:38,000
doing everything, but actually calling the shot, you know, for

519
00:28:38,079 --> 00:28:41,720
where to go. It's turned out that the people who

520
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,599
were nervous about support for Ukraine there were absolutely right

521
00:28:45,799 --> 00:28:48,640
and that was born out. And it's been a lot

522
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of money for basically no success, you know, like's been

523
00:28:52,599 --> 00:28:57,039
a lot of lives lost, and like a horrific loss

524
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of life, actually horrific, and nobody talks about it. I

525
00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:02,599
don't even understand why nobody talks about like the daily

526
00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:06,279
loss of life in Ukraine of the Ukrainians and also

527
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the Russians, the casualty numbers that war.

528
00:29:09,359 --> 00:29:12,799
Speaker 1: Whose fault was that war? That was Russia's aggression? Right,

529
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as you agree? Right? So what is you I mean?

530
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:17,759
So what is the solution persc of all? Trump said

531
00:29:17,759 --> 00:29:19,519
he was going to deal with that, right, It's very

532
00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:23,359
difficult to deal with that situation to make peace there?

533
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,599
What should we do? Should we pull all the money

534
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,599
out of Ukraine. They're fighting for their country. I don't listen.

535
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:33,960
I have complex thoughts on what's going on there, but

536
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I'm not exactly sure why we are the bad guys

537
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in that. In any way, if we pull their June right, if.

538
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Speaker 2: It were up to me, we would be helping out

539
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,000
Israel and we would have always been understanding that is

540
00:29:45,079 --> 00:29:48,599
like a closer area of our interest in Russia Ukraine,

541
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which is a very complicated, Like Russia has nukes. As

542
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,640
we were talking about, nukes give you leverage. They have

543
00:29:55,759 --> 00:29:59,200
six thousand nuclear warheads, they don't have to accept conventional defeat,

544
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and they have an absolutely like very real interest in

545
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securing a route to the water. And they also are

546
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not dummies, and they know that Ukraine has been used

547
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as a proxy for the United States and also you know,

548
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sort of NATO and so like all of that is

549
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just Russia's Russia's the bad actor, but they're acting in

550
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a way that makes sense. Do you think the situation

551
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is different with Iran, which is a country that has

552
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promised to wipe Israel off the map as soon as

553
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they get nukes, and they're trying very hard to get nukes,

554
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Like that's just a very different situation to me given

555
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,200
our alliance, which is, you know, our laws.

556
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Speaker 1: Uran's an enemy of the United States. I mean they

557
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killed so Mung. Thank you for bringing the Marines. They

558
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from nineteen seventy nine onwards have been regularly taking American hostages.

559
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They undermine us everywhere, They fund proxy groups that kill Americans.

560
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I mean, I think it's worth just mentioning. I'm not

561
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saying that they're you know, landing troops in California or anything,

562
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but they are geopolitically and.

563
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Speaker 2: Okay, this is one of the things that Babe said

564
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that kind of lost me this weekend. He's like, you

565
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,079
have to fight them over there so that we don't

566
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fight them in New York City. And it is enough

567
00:31:20,839 --> 00:31:25,559
to me to say that we are ideological allies of

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Israel in our country. You know, we also like we

569
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also have interests there, like a lot of Americans live

570
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in Israel and all this kind of stuff. The fact

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that Israel, that Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map,

572
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is a legitimate concern and something that is worth our interest.

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It is not true that they can reach the United States.

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They could go through ros additional means a state sponsor

575
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of terrorism or other things like that. But it's total

576
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,759
golf war rhetoric again or and even like it wasn't No,

577
00:31:57,799 --> 00:31:59,680
that was what Zelenski said too. You got to fight

578
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the Usians here or she'll be fighting them their ice.

579
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People want to America realize how annoyed we are with

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his claims.

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Speaker 1: It as an ally. So Bbi's going to try to make,

582
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you know, say things that bring us you know that

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he thinks will appeal to Americans in some way that

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they're part of this, you know. So I get why

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you would say that. I agree. It's not like you

586
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run as an existential threat to America In the end, though,

587
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I think the world is would be in serious trouble

588
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if they had a nuke in the sense of oil

589
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,200
routes and other things. Yeah, you're going to say something, well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, although it's kind of funny, like Iran sends most

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of its oil to China, so that's there's a there's

592
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a reason why they wouldn't want to shut down the

593
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straits of her Moves or whatever, because they because China

594
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needs their oil. But in the same way that it

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would be very bad for the US if Iran wiped

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out Israel with nukes. It also is bad for the

597
00:32:55,119 --> 00:32:58,839
US if there's a great deal of like even if

598
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you just think of it in terms of this, should

599
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there be major disruption in Iran regime change and the like.

600
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You're talking about millions of refugees flooding into Europe, which

601
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we've already had from all these other situations as well.

602
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That's actually not good for the United States or for

603
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,759
the West as well. That's caused a lot of disruption

604
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and destabilization and long term problems to the you know,

605
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like the health of our alliance and NATO and stuff.

606
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There are people just need to realize there are consequences

607
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and be a little like calmer, un less raw Rah,

608
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let's immediately be harabulous Iran.

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Speaker 1: I agree me, I'm rah rab Aut destroying Iran, But

610
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I will tell you this, You're right, of course, there

611
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are always unforeseen side effects, you know, with with a

612
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big you know, with with the anarchy that comes post

613
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war and things like that. But also Iran is not Iraq.

614
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It is also not Syria. The Iranians are not Syrians.

615
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They're different and they have a different society there. I'm

616
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not saying that it wouldn't be bad or things couldn't

617
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go wrong, but they're.

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Speaker 2: Oh, but the ways that are there aren't there. It's

619
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actually worse though. They are a much more complex and

620
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complicated country than a rock or Afghanistan, and it's another

621
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reason why people should just proceed with caution if they

622
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,159
don't want to get involved in another like regime change,

623
00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:24,199
land war in the Middle East.

624
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Speaker 1: I and by the way, I don't this is not

637
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the place or time, probably because we take a long time.

638
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,559
I completely disagree with your contention that regime change or

639
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,239
changes are always bad. In fact, I think most American

640
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,199
regime changes were quite good, starting with Germany and Japan,

641
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:28,320
talking about Chile, or which we put in a bad guy,

642
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,599
are a bad guy, or a place like Iraq in

643
00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:33,960
nineteen fifty four Coup d'eta where we put in pro

644
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,800
American Shah. So I don't get this idea that every

645
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,480
regime change is bad. There are plenty good regime changes.

646
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In my view. Yes, Iraq was a mistake, so now

647
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we can never do anything because of Iraq. I literally

648
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,079
no one can talk about anything in the Middle East

649
00:35:49,079 --> 00:35:51,639
without bringing up Iraq and Afghanistan. And by the way,

650
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Afghanistan is a bunch of warlords. There's no national consciousness

651
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there as there is in Iran. Different place anyway. I

652
00:36:02,199 --> 00:36:04,079
don't know why we're talking about this because no one's

653
00:36:04,119 --> 00:36:07,280
going into that regime change. People inside Iraq might want

654
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,079
to do it, and if they want to be free

655
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and fight for it or whatever they want. I mean,

656
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I don't know that it's going to be a bad thing.

657
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Speaker 2: I think we're talking about it in part because people

658
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who advocate a lot of interventionism, people like Bill Crystal,

659
00:36:21,199 --> 00:36:23,559
are out there just like cheering this on or a

660
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:27,599
Lindsey Graham. They do tend to like boots on the ground,

661
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:28,920
and they tend to call for it. So once you

662
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,320
get the nose in the tent, then all of a sudden,

663
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,559
the whole camel's in there now. I'm not as worried

664
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about it as these people on one extreme are because

665
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and I don't say this about a lot of topics,

666
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,679
and I might, you know, and it might not be true,

667
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,360
and it might be made out to be a fool.

668
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But I kind of trust Trump here. I think he

669
00:36:48,159 --> 00:36:51,559
does a good job of balancing American interests having the

670
00:36:51,639 --> 00:36:55,559
right amount of military force without and he doesn't like

671
00:36:55,639 --> 00:36:59,320
the whole idea of an extended conflict. I think the

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military industrial complex sees that the Russia Ukraine, the appetite

673
00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:06,760
to fund that is declining, and so they're looking for

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their next war in the same way that the Russia

675
00:37:09,519 --> 00:37:14,360
Ukraine thing broke out like four months after Afghanistan, you

676
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:15,960
know what I mean. It's like we're always moving from

677
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one war to the next.

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Speaker 1: Israel can't and won't fight protracted wars. You can't, it

679
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,159
just can. It's not big enough.

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Speaker 2: And you want to be like when you're at a

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00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:27,480
bar with like a guy who picks a fight and

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then counts on you to actually finish it because he's

683
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with you.

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Speaker 1: So I think that Israel has done a pretty good

685
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job so far of taking care of Iran, obviously with

686
00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:40,280
help from the United States weaponry and so on, very

687
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:44,519
good weaponry. I think there's just the concern is this

688
00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:47,000
is just my theory right now. The concern is that

689
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there are still remnants of the Ranian nuclear program that

690
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:55,159
haven't been touched. Is an incredibly just really informative article

691
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,119
just for people to know the on the website tablet

692
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,960
called ken Israel and Iran's Nuclear Program. It is the

693
00:38:03,199 --> 00:38:05,920
is super informative if anyone's interested in this. But it's

694
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,880
very difficult to get into some of this, you know,

695
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buried Centrifugia's So maybe that's what Israel wants the United

696
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States to help them with because they don't want this

697
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to have to happen again over and over again. And

698
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who would you know, it's been a real pain for

699
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,360
many years of the United States. I mean, and let's

700
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,880
just talk about Trump for a minute. You know, I'm

701
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,559
critical of Trump whenever because I'm critical of politicians, but

702
00:38:28,599 --> 00:38:30,400
I'll tell you something, he is the greatest president for

703
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,119
Israel that's ever lived. I mean, they're better than Truman,

704
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,119
better than Reagan, better than Bush, better than any of them,

705
00:38:36,159 --> 00:38:40,039
because he saw right through this BS, right, this constant

706
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:45,400
game that all that the Blob plays, that the Brookings

707
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Institution plays, where you got to sit down with these

708
00:38:47,639 --> 00:38:51,360
Iranians and listen to their you know sob stories and

709
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,239
pretend that we don't know what's happening here. And he did.

710
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And I saw a report I think it was in

711
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the New York Times, so who knows if it's true,

712
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But it was interesting that Trump asks Natagna, who, if

713
00:39:03,199 --> 00:39:06,639
you do, this will be a home run. Trump wants winners, right,

714
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,480
like that's what he's about, whatever it is, and Natahao,

715
00:39:10,559 --> 00:39:12,199
I think, laid out some of the plan form and said,

716
00:39:12,199 --> 00:39:13,440
I think it's going to be a home run. And

717
00:39:13,519 --> 00:39:16,360
so far as far as war goes, it's still terrible.

718
00:39:16,679 --> 00:39:20,239
People are dying, but not as many civilians are dying

719
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,360
in this war as one might have expected. On the

720
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,920
Iranian side. For instance, Now the Ranians just lob missiles

721
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,760
at civilians. They don't care. I think Israel has a

722
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,719
real purpose here, so we'll see what happens.

723
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 2: When you were saying that you think that Trump is

724
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,239
the best president for Israel, I was thinking about how

725
00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:42,400
the anti Trump extremists there was like, he's anti Semitic,

726
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,440
and that never made sense for a wide variety of reasons,

727
00:39:46,599 --> 00:39:49,119
but they kept trying it even during the twenty twenty

728
00:39:49,159 --> 00:39:51,880
four election. And it's like, right, the guy who did

729
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,880
the Abraham Accords, who constrained Iran during his first term,

730
00:39:56,119 --> 00:40:00,840
whose daughter and grandchildren are Jewish, that guy's anti Smitic. Okay,

731
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:02,159
whatever you say.

732
00:40:03,679 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: I've thought about this issues, you know quite a bit,

733
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,159
so you know, I don't think he's anti Semitical all.

734
00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:12,920
I think that's nonsense. But there's people who are functional,

735
00:40:13,159 --> 00:40:17,239
functionally anti Semitic, let's say, and people who say stupid things. Right.

736
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,079
I don't care what you say. I care what you do.

737
00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:23,679
And I think he would be remembered as a hero.

738
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,400
I bet you his approval rating in that country is

739
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,159
like at ninety percent. You know what I mean? For me,

740
00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:31,679
at least, there's such a clear moral divide here. We

741
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,800
know what the Supreme Leader Cumani's about, and we know

742
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,480
what Israeli is about They're imperfect, they're a democracy. They

743
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:44,079
make mistakes, but their morality is like our morality in general.

744
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 2: Right, they believe the things you think of Hakabe's note

745
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,039
to Trump that Trump posted to truth Social.

746
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 1: Oh you know, I don't remember what did. Can you

747
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:56,599
give me some highlights on it.

748
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 2: Was earlier today It was like, you are going, God

749
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,719
has anointed you for this moment to be the most

750
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:08,599
consequential US president since nineteen forty five, and everybody Israel,

751
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,719
are you saying that he should drop atomic bombs on Iran?

752
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,400
And it was all this like sort of dispensationalist theology

753
00:41:16,559 --> 00:41:20,079
about you know, that was coming through a lot of

754
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:24,800
evangelicals have, in my view, incorrect theological views on the

755
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,760
current state of Israel. And it's just like it's just

756
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,639
yet another thing I feel weird about. I am a

757
00:41:29,639 --> 00:41:32,679
supporter of Israel, but not because I believe that they

758
00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:40,559
are like any They're related to the Old Testament, Israel

759
00:41:41,039 --> 00:41:44,239
and protection by God has chosen people for the delivery

760
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,400
of the Savior, Like I don't think that. And most

761
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:53,320
people who support Israel, you know, on the right, weren't Jewish.

762
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,639
They're kind of in this weird like theological space.

763
00:41:56,119 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: I think they work incredibly hard as a nation and

764
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,599
have great focus defend themselves. I don't think it has

765
00:42:01,639 --> 00:42:04,679
anything to do with divine you know, intervention or anything.

766
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,000
But it is miraculous to me because I am Jewish

767
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,360
and I love ancient history to read about these same

768
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,679
people in the same place, you know, in the year

769
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:19,000
one thousand BC, speaking the same language now and defending

770
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,559
that themselves. I mean, Jews have not been We're not

771
00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:26,159
able to defend themselves, probably from Roman times or even before,

772
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,079
from the time of the Maccabees, maybe until nineteen forty seven.

773
00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:32,199
And it is not a miracle in the sense of

774
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,800
a divine miracle in my estimation. But a lot of

775
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,559
things came together to make this happen. And you know,

776
00:42:39,639 --> 00:42:41,800
for me at least, you know, when people say never again,

777
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,559
this is what that's about. It's not about asking people

778
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:47,480
to like you. You know. I love these people who are

779
00:42:47,519 --> 00:42:50,320
like Israel's creating more anti Semites because they're doing this,

780
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,000
you know what, I don't care. They're saving lives. So

781
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,800
to hate me whatever you want, I have.

782
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 2: I hate it when people say, oh, I'm being criticized

783
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,199
from left and right. Therefore I'm correct. I think that's

784
00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:05,079
such a logical fallacy. But I do think it's funny

785
00:43:05,079 --> 00:43:08,639
that I've been called like, I'll say, well, the Constitution

786
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,880
says that Congress should authorize war action, something I've said

787
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,559
about Republican and Democrat presidents for years, and people will

788
00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:18,039
be like, you hate Jews, you're anti Semitic. It's like,

789
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,320
I'm just talking about what the Constitution says. And then

790
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:24,000
if I say that I think Israel has a legitimate

791
00:43:24,039 --> 00:43:28,360
interest in dealing with Iran and it's nuclear ambitions, and

792
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,880
people are like, you're a pawn of netting Yahoo, and

793
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,079
it's just very annoying.

794
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 1: There is a Democrats, by the way, and it's almost

795
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,440
like I don't even think about them anymore. They're that

796
00:43:40,679 --> 00:43:45,599
inconsequential these days. But you know, are completely anti Israel

797
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:48,960
except for a few centators. But there is a contingent

798
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:53,480
on the right that's become monomaniacally obsessed with Israel, like

799
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:57,079
it's just their obsession and they think everything is These

800
00:43:57,079 --> 00:43:59,039
people are not going to be important for very long,

801
00:43:59,159 --> 00:44:01,559
am I You know, I think there's Katari money there.

802
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:06,280
I'm not like a conspiracy theorist. You own your opinions.

803
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:07,960
I don't care is giving you money or not giving

804
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,599
you money, But I just think that those voices are

805
00:44:10,679 --> 00:44:12,840
far louder if you're on Twitter, you hear them all

806
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,440
the time than they are in the real world when

807
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,599
you look at polling. Now people are behind Trump for now.

808
00:44:17,679 --> 00:44:19,119
You know, you can make a mistake, We can get

809
00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:22,760
him broiled in something we don't want to because he

810
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,639
has a very clear eyed moral understanding of what's going on.

811
00:44:27,159 --> 00:44:29,519
There's a war he wants Israel, and he wants America

812
00:44:29,559 --> 00:44:32,400
to win it. Period. You know what I'm saying. And

813
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,519
that is not what we've had. That's not what Biden

814
00:44:34,639 --> 00:44:37,000
was about, or Obama or even Bush. So it's a

815
00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:41,079
very different world. And on foreign policy I'm with I

816
00:44:41,079 --> 00:44:42,960
think Donald Trump's doing an amazing job.

817
00:44:43,079 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 2: So I want to say one last thing about Lindsey Graham,

818
00:44:48,199 --> 00:44:51,840
who's very excited about what's going on here, and other

819
00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:54,800
US senators on the right who are very excited about

820
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,000
the prospect of war with Iran, and the fact that

821
00:44:58,039 --> 00:45:01,760
Trump is at the same time trying to get his

822
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:06,280
big beautiful bill passed, and it does make me wonder

823
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:12,159
if there's being pressure applied on Trump to get like,

824
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,800
we'll pass your bill so long as you do this

825
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,159
action kind of thing.

826
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 1: Seems unlikely to me.

827
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:19,760
Speaker 2: Okay.

828
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: I have to say I was surprised that Trump actually

829
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,239
went did this in a way because there are people

830
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:30,880
in the administration now we're far less inclined to want

831
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,280
to be involved in military action. No John Bolton in

832
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,119
this administration, right. But it seemed to me that probably

833
00:45:39,159 --> 00:45:41,079
a lot of naysayers were in his ear and he

834
00:45:41,159 --> 00:45:43,000
just went and did what he thought was right here.

835
00:45:43,079 --> 00:45:46,639
That's just my perception of what's happening. I'm not saying, you.

836
00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 2: Know, what do you think he's done?

837
00:45:48,039 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 1: By the way, I think he was part of the

838
00:45:50,639 --> 00:45:52,519
the I think he was part of the plan to

839
00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:57,400
hoodwink the Mullahs into believing that there was going to

840
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,800
be a meeting that Sunday to discuss the deal. I

841
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,760
think that he knew what Israel was up to. I

842
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,960
bet you America helped with intelligence and all kinds of

843
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,920
other ways. I bet you America shot down incoming rockets.

844
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: No, No, they've they've said that they were involved in it, and.

845
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: He is moral, but they have not.

846
00:46:16,639 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 2: I'm just pointing out they have said they were helping

847
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,960
with defensive from a defensive posture, and that has been

848
00:46:24,039 --> 00:46:26,639
unified across Like every branch or you know has said

849
00:46:26,639 --> 00:46:31,239
that they have denied that they were involved in the attack,

850
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,760
other than in the way that we have supported Israel's military.

851
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: From the weaponry.

852
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,639
Speaker 2: H So on a basis are you saying, I just.

853
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: There is no way on earth, in my view, that

854
00:46:42,519 --> 00:46:46,079
Israel undertakes such a big operation without a lot of

855
00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:48,880
people in the US government knowing it's going to happen

856
00:46:49,039 --> 00:46:51,960
and in some sense helping them. I just don't see it.

857
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,480
History tells me that it's just can't be. But I'll

858
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,079
tell you. Let me take a step back and just

859
00:46:57,119 --> 00:46:58,599
say this. I mean, I know I'm talking a lot

860
00:46:58,639 --> 00:47:01,559
about this, but I don't even care as much about

861
00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:08,800
that as his backing of Israel. No prevarication, no equivocation,

862
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,719
you know what I mean. It's not like Biden like, oh,

863
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,360
both sides need to do that, and both sides, you know,

864
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,440
we should. He knows Iran's evil. He calls them out.

865
00:47:16,519 --> 00:47:18,559
He says, we know where you are coming, Andy, and

866
00:47:18,599 --> 00:47:20,679
I could kill you if I wanted to. Like, there's

867
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,719
none of this. He's just speaks about it like a

868
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,159
normal person thinks about it, you know what I mean.

869
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 2: And I appreciate that a lot, so I do too,

870
00:47:29,639 --> 00:47:31,079
And that's why I was asking, like, what do you

871
00:47:31,079 --> 00:47:35,599
think he's done? Because I actually like the negotiation the

872
00:47:36,039 --> 00:47:39,920
I like the aggressiveness of the negotiation, the moral clarity

873
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,280
of the negotiation. I also like that he hasn't gotten

874
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,960
involved yet. And I'm not saying that you can't have

875
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,880
any involvement, but it's just funny to see some people

876
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,800
being like he's done the most, and it's like we

877
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,119
actually have, Like officially, we haven't done anything other than

878
00:47:54,159 --> 00:47:59,159
helping out when Iron struck Israel, which it's just interesting

879
00:47:59,199 --> 00:47:59,400
to know.

880
00:47:59,519 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: Well, I've made this argument for many years that the

881
00:48:03,039 --> 00:48:06,039
American government was constantly holding Israel back from doing what

882
00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:07,519
it wanted to do. I think it was p J

883
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:09,480
O'rourk once said that if Israel could do what it

884
00:48:09,519 --> 00:48:12,599
wanted to do, like the Damascus would be a suburb

885
00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:14,960
of Jerusalem by now, you know what I mean. So

886
00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:19,840
the point is that he saw he gave He gave

887
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,679
the Iranians a chance, he gave them two months, right,

888
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,719
and they wouldn't. He saw that they were playing games again,

889
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,800
and he let Israel do what it wanted essentially, and

890
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,000
I think that is the best thing for Israel.

891
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 2: And okay, I just I have to mention one more thing.

892
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,400
We talked previously about how it had been reported that

893
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,599
I was at a meeting with bib Nanna and it

894
00:48:40,639 --> 00:48:46,000
was reported it was reported that I asked about request

895
00:48:46,039 --> 00:48:48,880
for US involvement in a war with Iran. I don't

896
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,840
even remember when that was. It was quite a few

897
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,880
weeks ago, but my thinking was at the time, and

898
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,760
I mean, I keep on saying it was reported because

899
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,920
it was Chathamhouse Rules and other people. I don't have

900
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,840
no idea who talked about it. I certainly did not.

901
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,840
But heading in to that meeting, what I was thinking

902
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,039
is why is bb Neatnyahuo coming to the United States?

903
00:49:10,039 --> 00:49:11,880
And in my mind, I'm thinking, okay, we've been moving

904
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,039
our air craft carriers into the region, we've been having

905
00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:18,760
a much more forward posture, and I was thinking he's

906
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,360
coming over to tell Trump what his plan is and

907
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:23,920
to look him in his eye and say like, do

908
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,440
you have my back? And so that's why my questions

909
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,440
were all focused on, like what are you seeking for

910
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:32,480
involvement and whatever? And you know, I have said that

911
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,280
I say privately what I say publicly. You know, I'm

912
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,159
a very consistent person. So my views, my concerns I've

913
00:49:39,199 --> 00:49:45,159
said privately to high level officials and publicly as well. Sow. Okay, well,

914
00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:48,280
let's hope that we have really good news to talk

915
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,360
about by next week on this front.

916
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just say, one last thing. All they need

917
00:49:53,159 --> 00:49:55,519
to do is surrender their nuclear program. That's it, and

918
00:49:55,559 --> 00:49:57,719
it's over, just like Commas only needs to get back

919
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,719
the hostages. I mean, this is not a g you know.

920
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 2: So I would just like to point out here in

921
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,760
your annals of like amazing regime change that we've been

922
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:10,119
involved in, you might remember that we told Libya that

923
00:50:10,199 --> 00:50:12,440
if they just got rid of their nukes that it

924
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,960
would be a wonderful thing for them, And so Gaddafi

925
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:17,079
got rid of his nukes and then soon he was

926
00:50:17,159 --> 00:50:21,480
like being dragged through the streets in horrific fashion. And

927
00:50:21,559 --> 00:50:24,000
I just want to put out there, contrary to your

928
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,679
illustrious history of regime change, that maybe that wasn't like

929
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,840
our best move ever, and that it taught everybody one

930
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,400
and one main lesson, which is don't give up your nukes.

931
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,519
And if you're you know and get your nukes.

932
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair enough. And by the way, I don't

933
00:50:39,079 --> 00:50:41,719
didn't say every regime change was good. I think Libya,

934
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:47,199
Iraq these kinds of places we should have whatever, be careful.

935
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,000
I'll give you another one. Yes, then maybe that taught

936
00:50:50,039 --> 00:50:52,760
people to hold onto their nukes. But if Trump dropped

937
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:59,400
a bunker buster on the Mountainside nuclear facility, the world

938
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:03,679
would say, I better not have a nuclear weapon program

939
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,079
when Donald Trump's around, if he doesn't want me to

940
00:51:06,119 --> 00:51:09,079
have one, right, I mean, it would change the complexion

941
00:51:09,159 --> 00:51:12,159
of things because everyone has been threatening Iran forever and

942
00:51:12,199 --> 00:51:15,199
no one does anything. I was viewed Iraq like this

943
00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:17,440
nine to eleven happened and someone was going to pay

944
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,119
the price. We decided it was going to be Iraq,

945
00:51:19,159 --> 00:51:22,400
which was a mistake. Now I see people blaming Israel

946
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:26,199
for that too, But Charon told Bush invading Iraq would

947
00:51:26,199 --> 00:51:29,320
be a mistake. He did not. Israel has always thought

948
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,440
of Iran as a much bigger threat than Iraq. But

949
00:51:34,199 --> 00:51:37,679
it was a huge mistake. I agree. Afghanistan's a different story.

950
00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:40,079
We had to, don't you. Didn't you support Afghanistan? I

951
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:41,440
mean we had to go in there. Didn't we?

952
00:51:42,119 --> 00:51:44,039
Speaker 2: Okay, I have two things I just want to say

953
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:47,079
really quickly. First is related to Iraq, which is I

954
00:51:47,119 --> 00:51:50,320
don't know who, which, what the what the office was,

955
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:54,000
but I saw this Israeli official telling the Ayatola like,

956
00:51:54,079 --> 00:51:57,119
don't forget what happened to Saddam Husseining, and I wanted

957
00:51:57,159 --> 00:52:02,000
to be like, right, but also the US shouldn't forget

958
00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:05,920
what happened in a rock, right, like that was not

959
00:52:06,039 --> 00:52:09,599
a great story for US. Okay. The second thing on

960
00:52:09,679 --> 00:52:13,920
Afghanistan is that, yes, actually my idea for Afghanistan was

961
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:18,320
that after nine to eleven we should have just had

962
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,119
the had the planes take off and basically carpet bombed

963
00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:25,440
Afghanistan and then not even landed, and then just come

964
00:52:25,519 --> 00:52:28,639
back and like never think about it again. And by

965
00:52:28,679 --> 00:52:30,519
the way, that would have been so much cheaper and

966
00:52:30,639 --> 00:52:34,320
end a better result and better for life too in

967
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,400
general than what we did, which was to spend a

968
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:42,760
lot of money and treasure of human life and political

969
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:47,840
capital on return and giving Afghanistan to the Taliban. But anyway,

970
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,280
so like I mentioned this because there is an argument

971
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,639
that just doing the bunker buster and just and then

972
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,639
never landing, you know, just turning around that that might

973
00:52:58,639 --> 00:52:59,639
be the way to go here.

974
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: I just don't. I just don't think that it's going

975
00:53:03,559 --> 00:53:06,079
to be the same. But I think we should also

976
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:08,199
remember I keep saying last thing, but this last thing

977
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:13,159
that Rock war was won. It's the ridiculous nation building policing,

978
00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:19,400
reconstituting democracy, imposing regime that we put there. That was

979
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,599
a problem that was never going to work. It wasn't

980
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:25,199
going to work in Afghanistan. For sure, we should I

981
00:53:25,199 --> 00:53:26,360
felt I am against that.

982
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,039
Speaker 2: I felt like such an idiot that it took me

983
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:34,280
until the Ukraine War to realize the point for our

984
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:39,360
military industrial complex is to not win a war and leave.

985
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,400
The point is to have it go on as long

986
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,679
as possible and have the money, you know, keep going.

987
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,239
Do you think something I should have figured out probably

988
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,239
thirty years earlier whatever, And I was like, Oh, the

989
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,719
point is to have a long war, That's the whole point.

990
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 1: Like do you think that the neo conservat so called

991
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,480
New York conservatives of the Bush and Minuet had good

992
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,239
intentions when they wanted to build a democracy in Iraq?

993
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:05,960
Or do you think they just wanted to cause war

994
00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:06,960
for a decade?

995
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 2: Oh? I think It actually totally depends on who you're

996
00:54:09,559 --> 00:54:13,800
talking about. But I don't even think nefarious motivations. I

997
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,559
think it was just failure to think strategically. And there

998
00:54:17,559 --> 00:54:19,320
can be any number of reasons why you fail to

999
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:23,559
think strategically, but that was clearly a failure. You know.

1000
00:54:23,639 --> 00:54:28,960
I love my former colleague, my deceased colleague, Charles Crowdhammer,

1001
00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:32,760
truly loved the man, but you should revisit his speech

1002
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:37,360
calling for nation building like regime change. He said it

1003
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,320
was a modest call for regime change. I think he

1004
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:43,000
called it democratic realism, which was to get rid of

1005
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:47,480
all the regimes, he said, modestly from North Africa to Afghanistan,

1006
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:52,360
just that crescent there and replace them with democracies. And

1007
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,880
it ages so horribly, horribly. And in the speech he

1008
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,559
actually talks about the realists, who you know, people like

1009
00:54:59,559 --> 00:55:02,599
Brent sco Showcroft, who said, like, this is a bad

1010
00:55:02,639 --> 00:55:05,440
idea to go into a rock and he's like, maybe

1011
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,880
they'll be proved right, but shouldn't we give it a try.

1012
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,320
And so we tried, and we should learn lessons from it.

1013
00:55:11,519 --> 00:55:14,280
And I was opposed to it, but almost everybody was

1014
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,880
for it, and at the very least we should learn lessons.

1015
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,079
So when we keep hearing people say the same phrases

1016
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:24,320
or arguments, it's very frustrating, which is not to say,

1017
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,599
which is not to say, don't do anything. And that's

1018
00:55:26,599 --> 00:55:28,159
why you know. I began by being like, I'm gonna

1019
00:55:28,159 --> 00:55:30,800
annoy everybody because I'm in the middle. But I do

1020
00:55:31,119 --> 00:55:34,239
just beg people to be more cautious and less like

1021
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,360
raw raw on something as serious as this, This.

1022
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,760
Speaker 1: Is a very serious thing. I turned against the whole

1023
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,559
democracy building stuff when Hamas was I mean that Palestines

1024
00:55:43,559 --> 00:55:47,320
were handed Gaza and Hammas started chucking FATA people off Ruse.

1025
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,880
I realized that maybe they didn't want freedom there. And

1026
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:51,800
I think that's the case. I don't know what the

1027
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:53,960
uranium people want, and if they want something, they need

1028
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,639
to fight for it themselves. You cannot hand people democracy

1029
00:55:57,639 --> 00:56:00,440
in that way. And let's move on to move on

1030
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,519
to no kings. We don't have kings here, right, But yet,

1031
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,360
what do you think about that giant protest, the largest

1032
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,519
protest in history. I was told the no Kings protest

1033
00:56:09,639 --> 00:56:10,239
last weekend.

1034
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,679
Speaker 2: So I saw people saying that five million people participated

1035
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:17,880
in two thousand rallies nationwide and I wondered where that

1036
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,119
number came from. But even as that may be, like

1037
00:56:21,199 --> 00:56:24,320
let's say it was five hundred thousand nationwide, it's not

1038
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:29,719
a nothing number. And in my neighborhood, which is extremely liberal,

1039
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,920
you know, there was a gathering, and there was one

1040
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,679
in the next town over, which was also you know,

1041
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,840
sizable for people like us. But I kind of missed

1042
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,159
it except for seeing people get off the metro, like

1043
00:56:42,199 --> 00:56:45,719
from DC to go to the to the one in

1044
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,440
my neighborhood. Because I went to the two hundred and

1045
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,000
fiftieth anniversary of the US Army, and it was kind

1046
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,840
of hilarious because it was like coming off the metro

1047
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,519
were people with green hair, everybody wearing face masks like

1048
00:56:57,599 --> 00:57:04,320
it was April twenty twenty, and or like older white,

1049
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,599
elderly white people like even having walking assistance. And then

1050
00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:09,719
for the Army two fiftieth, it was like everyone was

1051
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,239
wearing their red, white and blue flag colors, and you know,

1052
00:57:12,519 --> 00:57:15,519
it was just like two ships in the night. So

1053
00:57:15,519 --> 00:57:16,800
I didn't really see it. What did you think.

1054
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: I went to a movie. I will talk about it

1055
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:22,880
in the culture section. When it came out, there were

1056
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,119
just cars everywhere, and I'm like what is going on?

1057
00:57:25,239 --> 00:57:27,519
And there was just a lot of noise coming in

1058
00:57:27,559 --> 00:57:29,400
the giant crowd. And where I live, there's not a

1059
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,199
lot of that kind of a mixed community here, I'd say,

1060
00:57:32,239 --> 00:57:35,360
you know, but there were a lot of people there.

1061
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,119
My point on this is, first of all, I don't

1062
00:57:38,119 --> 00:57:40,519
think you can quantify how many people are at these protests.

1063
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:42,440
They can go from one to the next, or you

1064
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,159
know who's counting. I don't buy it.

1065
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 2: Corporate media uncritically repeated the claim that it was five million,

1066
00:57:47,519 --> 00:57:50,199
so I'm sure they checked those numbers and demanded evidence

1067
00:57:50,239 --> 00:57:51,920
for them.

1068
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,719
Speaker 1: Protests are kind of irrelevant, That's the truth. I was

1069
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:59,280
looking through the largest protests ever, like what was the

1070
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:00,039
one where they wore.

1071
00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 2: Those hats, Marsh for Women's Lives, Marsh for Women's Lives

1072
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,480
so or March for Our Lives.

1073
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: Now there's a separate one that was a gun one,

1074
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:13,559
but they don't really accomplish much or of anything. It's

1075
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,480
even if there's five million, it's just a small number

1076
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:21,000
of people getting out there, and it's fine, you get excited.

1077
00:58:21,039 --> 00:58:23,920
But I just saw a lot of liberal commentators, you know,

1078
00:58:24,039 --> 00:58:26,119
talking about it like it was a game changer, like

1079
00:58:26,159 --> 00:58:28,280
it was a Vietnam march. Well, guess what. The Vietnam

1080
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,599
marches didn't do anything. Either of Vietnam went on until

1081
00:58:30,639 --> 00:58:32,559
seventy four. You know what I mean, the marches in

1082
00:58:32,639 --> 00:58:36,840
sixty seven sixty eight, we just sent more troops. But

1083
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,760
here's the thing. The marches seem less and less coherent.

1084
00:58:40,119 --> 00:58:41,800
The funniest thing I saw is that they had these

1085
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,880
marches in Europe, in Sweden and in UK they have

1086
00:58:45,079 --> 00:58:47,880
literal kings in those places. It's like, what are you doing?

1087
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,199
I thought it was a kind of a joke. But anyway,

1088
00:58:51,519 --> 00:58:52,039
here's one thing.

1089
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:56,079
Speaker 2: I thought was interesting about it is it's actually so

1090
00:58:56,199 --> 00:58:58,519
much smaller or so much There seems to be so

1091
00:58:58,639 --> 00:59:02,360
much less protest than we saw during the first term,

1092
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,960
from front to end. So like, even before Trump took

1093
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,599
office in twenty sixteen and early twenty seventeen, there were

1094
00:59:11,039 --> 00:59:17,599
massive pro illegal immigration protests and the people going weren't illegals,

1095
00:59:18,039 --> 00:59:22,480
they were you know, typical libs. And that just continued

1096
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,320
from one cause to the next, all the way through

1097
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:30,320
the BLM riots that besieged the country for the entire

1098
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,280
summer of twenty twenty. And that was like really effective

1099
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,199
street action because they would have legitimate protests, you know,

1100
00:59:36,639 --> 00:59:40,840
supposedly like concerned about quote unquote racial justice, and then

1101
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,679
behind the legitimate protests would be the Antifa people like

1102
00:59:43,719 --> 00:59:46,320
throwing bricks at the police. Made it very difficult to

1103
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,719
get control over them because of the size of the

1104
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:53,119
legitimate part of the protest that was not a riot. Well,

1105
00:59:53,119 --> 00:59:58,400
here you have had such difficulty getting any street action

1106
00:59:59,159 --> 01:00:03,880
from the time Trump was elected to now this beginning

1107
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:08,079
with the la riots for illegal immigration and abolishing ice.

1108
01:00:08,639 --> 01:00:11,719
Beginning with that is the first we've really seen of anything,

1109
01:00:12,039 --> 01:00:15,639
and it hasn't been too legitimate. And one of the

1110
01:00:15,679 --> 01:00:17,559
problems that the left has is they don't have like

1111
01:00:17,599 --> 01:00:20,320
an issue to have a legitimate protest over and then

1112
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,000
have a riot behind it. So the riot happened really

1113
01:00:23,079 --> 01:00:26,480
just totally like pro illegal immigration. That is not a

1114
01:00:26,519 --> 01:00:29,760
great message for Democrats going into the midterms. The no

1115
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,960
Kings thing was their idea to kind of get back

1116
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,960
to the anti Trumpist rhetoric that worked so well for

1117
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,920
them in the first term. But the problem is, you remember,

1118
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,559
like in the first term, they said, you cannot you

1119
01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:44,719
cannot normalize this guy, because if you normalize him, it's

1120
01:00:44,719 --> 01:00:48,280
all over well, bad news for Democrats. He could not

1121
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:51,199
be more normalized if he tried. You know, he was

1122
01:00:51,719 --> 01:00:56,920
re elected after an unbelievable lawfare campaign and bank fair campaign,

1123
01:00:57,199 --> 01:01:00,239
tried to bankrupt him, put him in prison, put on

1124
01:01:00,239 --> 01:01:03,280
anyone who liked him in prison, and he was re elected.

1125
01:01:03,639 --> 01:01:07,960
And his numbers are the same or better than other

1126
01:01:08,239 --> 01:01:10,960
two term presidents at this point in their second term.

1127
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:15,639
So I'm not sure like the anti Trump rhetoric is

1128
01:01:15,679 --> 01:01:18,320
good for mobilizing the base, as we saw with these protests,

1129
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,719
they need a little bit more than that, and I

1130
01:01:21,719 --> 01:01:22,840
think they're going to have to come up with a

1131
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:26,840
cohesive message and support for illegal immigration and cutting off

1132
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,760
the healthy body parts of children or permanently sterilizing them.

1133
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:34,320
It's just not like a big tent building message, you know.

1134
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:38,079
Speaker 1: No, there's no I agree, there's no real coherent message here.

1135
01:01:38,119 --> 01:01:41,079
No Kings is not a good message because Biden and

1136
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:43,840
Obama and all these people acted like Kings far more

1137
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:45,920
even than Trump. And I have my criticisms of Trump

1138
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:49,360
overstepping his presidential power. But just to punctuate something I

1139
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:53,320
said about these protests not mattering, maybe they do matter.

1140
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,840
Maybe the opposite happens. Think about BLM that backfired in

1141
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:01,000
a massive way. Right now, dips are sort of like,

1142
01:02:01,159 --> 01:02:03,559
you know, no one is talking about it. Think about

1143
01:02:03,599 --> 01:02:06,400
all the Free Palestine protests. Look it was Israel's doing,

1144
01:02:06,599 --> 01:02:10,960
and look at Trump's demeanor towards Israel. Has it changed anything.

1145
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,119
I don't think Trump's going to lose a single point

1146
01:02:14,119 --> 01:02:16,280
in the polls over and may even help him. So

1147
01:02:16,679 --> 01:02:19,559
I don't think it's it's very important. You're right. I

1148
01:02:19,559 --> 01:02:21,480
think it's just base people coming out and a lot

1149
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,960
of kids coming out because it's a protest or whatever,

1150
01:02:24,039 --> 01:02:25,880
you know, with green hair, because that's what they do.

1151
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:30,000
Let's do culture. Great, we went along on the war.

1152
01:02:31,039 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, but there's a lot to talk about.

1153
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: No, it's a really complicated issue. Actually you want to

1154
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:38,840
go first or yeah.

1155
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,039
Speaker 2: So last week I mentioned that I was going to

1156
01:02:41,079 --> 01:02:44,280
go to the two hundred and fiftieth birthday for the Army,

1157
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,239
and then I said it earlier and I did go

1158
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,280
and it was so much fun. I'm so glad i went.

1159
01:02:48,639 --> 01:02:51,559
I probably only went because my brother was in town.

1160
01:02:51,679 --> 01:02:53,880
And you know how when you live in a place,

1161
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,920
you stop doing things that are fun at that place

1162
01:02:57,239 --> 01:03:00,079
unless someone comes and visits, so because he and his

1163
01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:05,039
wife were coming, we got the access and it was

1164
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:07,639
so much better than I thought it would be. Like

1165
01:03:07,679 --> 01:03:09,000
I thought it was. I thought it would be good

1166
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,960
and interesting, but they went through the history of the

1167
01:03:12,119 --> 01:03:16,000
army from before the country began, and they had different

1168
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:20,280
people representing that, you like, each each major conflict that

1169
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,840
they were involved in and telling their successes. They had

1170
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:27,280
good music, they had amazing fireworks. The people down on

1171
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,639
the mall were great, and it was like a big

1172
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,039
cluster to get through everything, and you know, like you

1173
01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:36,199
couldn't drive down there and you had to metro and

1174
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,239
walk very far. But everyone seemed to get through it

1175
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:45,360
and it was a nice, large crowd and it was great.

1176
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: My instinct was to be against a military period. I

1177
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:50,639
thought it was kind of an American to do. That's

1178
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my instinct, right, But when I watched it and I

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saw what Trump said, he didn't make it about himself

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very much at all, And despite what people were saying

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about it, I just couldn't help but feel patriotic about it.

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You know. I don't think it was the kind of

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military march that you see in some kind of dictatorship.

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It was just the celebration of the people who served.

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So I thought it was actually quite from what I

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saw tasteful and tasteful military parade, but you know what

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I mean, it was just a celebration rather than like,

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here's the force we can you know, exert and to

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control you type of attitude. So I liked it. Happy

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you went sounds like fun anything else.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, last week I also talked about how Mark

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and I are speaking at the Issues, et cetera, Making

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the Case conference, and so there were some questions and

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including that it is going to be in Chicago. It

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starts in one month Friday, July eighteenth and Saturday July nineteenth.

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It's that premier conference for Christian lay people. And you

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say Concordia University Chicago when people are worried about what

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we just talked about, which is riots. So I should

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clarify that Concordia University Chicago is actually in River Forest, Illinois,

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and it's like eight miles from downtown Chicago, so it's

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far away from any We've done it there like year

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01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:17,400
after year and frequently there are problems in Chicago, but

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01:05:17,559 --> 01:05:23,480
never at Concordia University Chicago. So yes, it's Friday July eighteenth,

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Saturday July nineteenth, Mark and I will be speaking, so

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01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:31,440
will CNN political commentator Scott Jennings, who, by the way,

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was in Israel at the time of the Iran rockets

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coming in, which is I cannot even imagine what that

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01:05:38,679 --> 01:05:42,159
was like doctor Carl Truman, who's the author of The

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01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,679
Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self. And if you

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want information, I know some of you already signed up

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and told me you will be going, but you can

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learn more about it and register at Issues Etc. Dot org.

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So Issues etc. Dot org. And if you sign up,

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if you don't mind letting me know so I can

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keep an eye out for you screen we're doing that.

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We're also going to go to Colorado at some point

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here and do some hiking, which is good. And I

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01:06:14,119 --> 01:06:15,840
was trying to think while I was talking about this,

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what movies we saw. Did I already talk about meet

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me in Saint Louis.

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Speaker 1: A while back? Is it possible or is this something now?

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Speaker 2: Last week I couldn't remember which day I watched it,

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01:06:24,719 --> 01:06:26,880
but I watched it with my kid and that was

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01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:28,920
really interesting. And I've been kind of going down a

1225
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:33,960
Judy Garland rabbit hole and after meet Me in Saint Louis,

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01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:37,599
which is sort of like a collection of songs with

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a very little plot. But then I watched Oh dang it,

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I can't remember the name of it. It's like a

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01:06:45,039 --> 01:06:50,599
really weird movie about this dining company that set up

1230
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:54,360
diners around railroad stops and it's about I'm going to

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01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,119
look it up. You tell me what movie you looked?

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Speaker 1: You? Uh? I watched The Accountant Too with Ben Affleck

1233
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and how was that? So you know, it's funny the

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01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:09,000
relationship between the two brothers, which is Ben Affleck and

1235
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John is it berthnaw something like that. It's quite good

1236
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:18,639
and funny, but the like spy shooting plot is kind

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of born. I see in your ice can tell from

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your demeanor that you have figured out.

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Speaker 2: What movie it was The Harvey Girls, and so the

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Harvey diners or restaurants were the place where all these

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01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,480
girls would come out and work. And so it's kind

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of weird how movies in the fifties or whenever that was,

1243
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like they're dealing with complex topics, but they do it

1244
01:07:38,239 --> 01:07:40,719
in such a cheerful way. So like the plot of

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01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:43,039
this is that Judy Garland comes out because she's a

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01:07:43,039 --> 01:07:45,400
mail order bride kind of. And then she meets the

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01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:48,000
guy and realizes she can't marry him, and then she

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01:07:48,079 --> 01:07:50,679
falls in love with a brothel owner and then like

1249
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the end of the movie, she's like, I'm willing to

1250
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,559
become part of your brothel and he's like, no, I'm

1251
01:07:55,639 --> 01:07:58,519
leaving the brothel business. Sorry for the spoiler. I should

1252
01:07:58,519 --> 01:08:00,360
have done a spoiler alert. And I'm like, you're saying

1253
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,840
it in such a cheerful way, and it's like horrific.

1254
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So one of my kids was like, oh my gosh,

1255
01:08:05,679 --> 01:08:07,280
that's horrible, but I still kind of liked it.

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Speaker 1: Angela Lansbury's in it. I can't believe she's been around

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that long.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's great. Okay, what else have you seen? Oh?

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01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,640
Speaker 1: So, for Father's Day, my kids took me to see

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Raiders of the third Raiders of the Lost Arc movie

1261
01:08:21,239 --> 01:08:23,159
was in the theaters for like old dads like me

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to go see, so that was a lot of fun.

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01:08:27,239 --> 01:08:29,760
The third one was Sean Connery. Oh my god, The

1264
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:33,880
Last Crusade Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade. It's just

1265
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:37,119
so funny, so great. It makes me wish people made

1266
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movies like that. Still I sound like an old man.

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But so that was a ton of fun. Uh sorry,

1268
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one second's that's oh. And I watched this like mob

1269
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:51,960
movie that's been around a while called Killing Them Softly

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01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:57,399
with Brad Pitt and James Gandelfeini and Rayleioda, and.

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Speaker 2: Uh oh, I saw one more movie what It was

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01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,920
so bad and so good at the same time. It

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was the original believe it or not. I've never seen

1274
01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:11,239
any of the eleven or whatever. It was the original

1275
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:13,039
Fast and Furious.

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01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:18,079
Speaker 1: Oh, you've never They all melt into one movie, so

1277
01:09:18,119 --> 01:09:20,399
whenever I'm watching it, I don't know. I actually don't

1278
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:22,439
love those movies. I find them kind of boring. The

1279
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:25,279
first one, actually, I think is my favorite one because

1280
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there's some kind of like story that makes sense in it.

1281
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:31,000
It's kind of small compared to the others. Did you

1282
01:09:31,079 --> 01:09:32,159
like it? It's terrible, not a.

1283
01:09:32,199 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 2: Lot of character development. But I did like the car scenes,

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and I feel like the movie is about the car scenes.

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So there you go.

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Speaker 1: That's great, nice that you watch it. It's like when

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it's you and The Godfather.

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01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 2: So I didn't see The Godfather until I was like

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twenty eight years old, and then I went around telling

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01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,079
everybody for two weeks that there's a really good movie

1291
01:09:54,079 --> 01:09:56,680
they should see and it's called The Godfather. And Mark

1292
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:58,600
and I were dating at the time or whatever, and

1293
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:00,439
he was like, this is so embarrassing.

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Speaker 1: Did he say, you know there's a sequel?

1295
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Speaker 2: And then I saw, well I actually saw the sequel

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at the same time, and I loved them both.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gread of course. Yeah, all right, great. If

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people want to reach us, they can email us at

1299
01:10:14,119 --> 01:10:16,239
radio at the Federalist dot com. We always love to

1300
01:10:16,239 --> 01:10:18,880
hear from you. Then we'll be back next week. Until then,

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be lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray.

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Speaker 2: I want no more, no more, no more.