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Speaker 3: Today was my guest, and now we have one with
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Speaker 4: Alrighty, Happy Thursday to everyone out there. Here's truly mister
Speaker 4: giddy two shoes, not on a Friday, on a Thursday.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: It feel a little bit weird, but we're here storry
Speaker 4: off breaking news going into some Arizona athletics. Something that
Speaker 4: just came across my phone. Tyler Loup officially accepted his
Speaker 4: invite to the to the Caribe Royale Orlando twenty twenty
Speaker 4: five Hula Ball All Star Game. So hopefully that helps
Speaker 4: his NFL stock. You can showcase what he can do
Speaker 4: to women's volleyball. They're still playing in the ni b
Speaker 4: C postseason tournament. They beat Wyoming last night in three sets.
Speaker 4: They're onto the semifinals today against Northern Colorado at six.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not covering that.
Speaker 4: No, but they started the season eleven zero. They ustill
Speaker 4: have a chance to finish eleven know if they can
Speaker 4: go win it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because the one seven night right now, Yeah,
Speaker 3: they're on they're on a nine game win streak.
Speaker 5: They got testing it tonight against Northern Colorado.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: Uh So, former Arizona basketball player Kim Iiken Junior accepted
Speaker 4: a plea deal in his sexual assault case on Tuesday.
Speaker 3: Very very story, Yeah, very good, Go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 2: He's just playing.
Speaker 5: He plays for New Mexico State.
Speaker 3: Right right, he's involved because I'm a grad in New
Speaker 3: Xico State, and it brought down the program.
Speaker 2: I know, the ad and uh there was a.
Speaker 3: Group of kids, maybe two or three kids who were
Speaker 3: like Kim, harassing other kids.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 3: The other kids won a couple of million dollar lawsuit
Speaker 3: against these kids, these these hazing, hazing. I'm sure you
Speaker 3: probably have to worry about stuff like that, Dave, where
Speaker 3: you know, just being malcontents and dumbasses. And uh, he
Speaker 3: got caught with it, got caught messing around whatever. Eleven
Speaker 3: felonies I think three they were reduced to three felonies.
Speaker 3: And now he's got probation right for four four and
Speaker 3: a half years. So like that, I think it is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, two felony counts of false imprisonment and one count
Speaker 4: of conspiracy to commit false imprison Yeah.
Speaker 3: So so he played here for a hiccup. He transferred
Speaker 3: from Eastern Washington. He committed to to Sean Miller, stayed
Speaker 3: to play for Tommy. It was, uh, it was during
Speaker 3: the kind of COVID situation. He played seven games and
Speaker 3: then didn't play anymore. I guess something happened in that time,
Speaker 3: no one really knows officially. Uh, and then he left
Speaker 3: and it kind of mysteriously would have would have helped
Speaker 3: Tommy too on that team, but he left and then
Speaker 3: he got in.
Speaker 4: Trouble anyway, State going to Arizona football. We've talked about
Speaker 4: some of the transfers. Some players leave me for different reasons.
Speaker 4: I think this is one where he just needed a
Speaker 4: fresh start. JT Hand did commit to Oregon State.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so that's the first one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so as the first one that's in the portal
Speaker 4: right now. He played some under Fish's first year. I
Speaker 4: think a little bit when the doesn't evening in and
Speaker 4: out with injuries sometimes so vested by to him in corgallis.
Speaker 5: Uh to the NBA.
Speaker 4: The Sons have become one of the top contenders for
Speaker 4: trade for Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the rumors were there yesterday.
Speaker 3: I think, did you did we have I don't remember
Speaker 3: talking about trade and Stokes he he entered the portal yesterday.
Speaker 2: He did you know? Okay, man, they're all jumping. They're
Speaker 2: all jumping.
Speaker 4: Ever everyone and every sport, in every position. You have
Speaker 4: a lot of breaking news. Uh No, okay, So let
Speaker 4: me ask you.
Speaker 3: So you see all these guys and I brought it
Speaker 3: up Dave earlier. You have all these guys known dude
Speaker 3: good dudes. And I was gonna ask you the question.
Speaker 3: Now I'll have to rephrase it because I forgot how
Speaker 3: I was gonna ask the question. Oh, have you, in
Speaker 3: your thirty years coaching had a team uh that just
Speaker 3: you knew you even knew this, that just not gave up,
Speaker 3: but you sense that they just weren't listening and may
Speaker 3: have given up.
Speaker 7: I think every coach has probably that. If you've been
Speaker 7: in the uh you know, doing it a long time
Speaker 7: and you can can you fix that?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 2: I couldn't fix it.
Speaker 7: I'll be honest with you, you had Yeah, I had
Speaker 7: at one year PM I can think of in particular,
Speaker 7: and then a couple of youth teams where you know,
Speaker 7: I just couldn't reach them, you know. And and ultimately,
Speaker 7: I think, you know, every good coach is going to
Speaker 7: look in the mirror first and go, you know, what
Speaker 7: am I doing wrong?
Speaker 2: What can I do?
Speaker 7: And and I tried to reach them and reach them,
Speaker 7: and you know, tried different ways, tried to coach differently,
Speaker 7: tried to approach things differently, and just it just didn't work,
Speaker 7: you know. And and that could easily be more me
Speaker 7: than the kids. And and and of course, especially when
Speaker 7: you're recruiting kids, you know, that's maybe your fault for
Speaker 7: getting the wrong kids in that don't match.
Speaker 2: Your expectations, you know.
Speaker 7: So that's again then falls on the head coaches shoulder
Speaker 7: or the coaches should Yeah. So you know that was
Speaker 7: more about I think me than it was about those kids.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 7: And it was it was eye opening because you know,
Speaker 7: usually I have a I feel like I always had
Speaker 7: a decent relationship with the players and and I could
Speaker 7: get them to buy in what we were trying to do.
Speaker 3: Did you at any point think Okay, if it is me,
Speaker 3: should I get out?
Speaker 2: I absolutely did? Yeah, it was what kept you in? Uh,
Speaker 2: you know a couple of things. You know.
Speaker 7: Obviously, I still love the coach, I love being around kids.
Speaker 7: You know, there's always the financial component. You know, we're
Speaker 7: not you know, at PEMUT we're not making well, you know,
Speaker 7: four or five million dollars, so you have to consider
Speaker 7: you know what what that?
Speaker 9: Uh?
Speaker 7: And then you know what really kept me in is
Speaker 7: the next group I got. I got because we emptied
Speaker 7: out the kids. I think everybody had a bad experience,
Speaker 7: so some kids left, We asked some kids to leave,
Speaker 7: and we just emptied out and brought in a new group.
Speaker 2: And that group was spectacular.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, okay, I say that because I know that
Speaker 3: Sean Miller didn't with with Rowley, Awkins and Trier and
Speaker 3: uh Ayden. He said, I'm having a hard time getting
Speaker 3: through these guys. He walked it back because he realized
Speaker 3: what he had said, and then they started playing well again,
Speaker 3: and then they lost to Buffalo in the first round.
Speaker 3: But he would not have said it had he not
Speaker 3: meant it, because you know when they're you know, when
Speaker 3: they're not playing for you and this year. I guarantee
Speaker 3: you bretton you that they weren't playing for it. How
Speaker 3: could he not?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, and I just don't.
Speaker 7: You know again, you don't know the relationships, right, you know,
Speaker 7: behind the scenes, and you've covered it more than I
Speaker 7: would be experiencing it. But major Division one sports football
Speaker 7: and basketball in particular, I mean, it has to be
Speaker 7: a completely different environment than like I'm at a college
Speaker 7: or even in a small.
Speaker 2: You know, Division one. You know, when you're when you're
Speaker 2: in those environments.
Speaker 7: I don't think unless you're in that environment you can
Speaker 7: understand the pressure, the strains, everything's that.
Speaker 2: Go into it.
Speaker 7: And you've probably seen Steve got you covered it for
Speaker 7: so long. But you know, I think every coach has
Speaker 7: probably come to that crossbroads with a group of kids,
Speaker 7: a team, or a certainly individual players where you just
Speaker 7: bang your head into the wall and you just can't
Speaker 7: get through to them. And I think a lot of
Speaker 7: coaches take that very personally, because you know, we like
Speaker 7: to think of ourselves as mentor as teachers, you know,
Speaker 7: and that you know we can we can reach that
Speaker 7: kid with the one person who can reach it. Sure,
Speaker 7: And then also in reality, hitching a face and it's humbling.
Speaker 3: Well, sorry to say this a day, and not to
Speaker 3: your level because you're not. I don't know anybody bigger
Speaker 3: with the egos than coaches, especially at the people I cover,
Speaker 3: because you know they're making millions obviously, and CEOs make money,
Speaker 3: but not like coaches because they're exactly which is I
Speaker 3: can change this kid or I can make them better.
Speaker 2: The kid doesn't give a crap, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't think you're the first one to make
Speaker 7: that statement. No, I might make an argument at sometimes
Speaker 7: probably at least at the professional.
Speaker 2: Level of players might have a bigger you know, but
Speaker 2: uh yeah, I think I think that's why you get
Speaker 2: into coaching.
Speaker 7: Because you're confident and you feel like you can make
Speaker 7: a difference, no question.
Speaker 2: And then if you do it.
Speaker 7: For a while and you're relatively successful, you start sometimes
Speaker 7: believe in your own hype. And you know, there's a saying,
Speaker 7: you know in soccer that you know, the great thing
Speaker 7: about the sport is just when you think you know everything,
Speaker 7: it teaches you you know nothing.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, okay, I mean yeah, it's just getting it's
Speaker 4: also just getting harder with the little factors here. That's
Speaker 4: why you see legendary coaches sure like coach k Nick Saban,
Speaker 4: they're out of the game now because they just can't
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 2: They don't want to deal with it.
Speaker 3: No, you're right, and I how you how are you
Speaker 3: gonna pay coach somebody who's making half a million? Oh, coach,
Speaker 3: I already getting paid, you know, I know what I'm doing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think you know, that's a really difficult situation.
Speaker 7: You know, what is the motivation for that kid to
Speaker 7: you know, listen to you, you know, especially if they
Speaker 7: are really good. You know, I'm gonna go to the
Speaker 7: Pros next year. I'm gonna make millions. I'm making hundreds
Speaker 7: of thousands of dollars now, And you're screaming at me
Speaker 7: for not you know, sprinting back.
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? Come practice? I'm talking about practice.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be making more money than you will. And
Speaker 2: you know, also, yeah, I think that is really difficult.
Speaker 2: And I do think. You see a lot of coaches,
Speaker 2: you know, who are leaving you.
Speaker 7: And then the reality is is, you know, Division one
Speaker 7: is now basically becoming junior college.
Speaker 2: You can just leave after a year. You're you're reconstructing
Speaker 2: your teams.
Speaker 7: Every year, you know, and you know it's very similar
Speaker 7: to the junior college environment, where you only have teams
Speaker 7: for two years if you're lucky.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Sticking with the NBA. UH, one of the best looking
Speaker 4: teams this season. The Cavaliers are adding to their talent.
Speaker 4: Max Struz is making his season debut today against the Wizards,
Speaker 4: so they get a little bit more to their Arsenal.
Speaker 2: One of the assistants on that team.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 4: Last night we had some of the NBA Cup quarterfinals.
Speaker 4: The Hawks played the next they won one hundred and
Speaker 4: eight to one hundred.
Speaker 5: The Warriors played the Rockets. The Rockets won ninety one.
Speaker 2: They got robbed. You think so they got robbed, you I.
Speaker 5: Haven't seen it.
Speaker 2: We got robbed and Kerr was pissed.
Speaker 3: Now I've heard about I heard about piss because there
Speaker 3: was they called the foul on a joke ball, and
Speaker 3: they called the foul.
Speaker 2: With three seconds left. It's pretty pissed. Yeah, not that
Speaker 2: I'm biased.
Speaker 4: The Rockets will be facing the Thunder on Saturday and
Speaker 4: Vegas and the Hawks will be going up against the Bucks. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: in Vegas, in Vegas, win in Vegas to the NFL.
Speaker 4: The Denver Broncos signed left tackle Garrett Bulls to a
Speaker 4: four year extension. So there they've they've found the guy
Speaker 4: they start.
Speaker 2: I haven't paid that much if.
Speaker 4: I believe, if they win on Sunday against the Colts,
Speaker 4: they're guaranteed the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Okay, So who's your team?
Speaker 7: You know, being in Arizona native there really has never
Speaker 7: been in on an NFL team. And of course, again,
Speaker 7: you know, I'm so old that you know, back in
Speaker 7: the day, you know, in the seventies, you get one
Speaker 7: game a week and e is either Dallas or Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: So I chose Pittsburgh. Yeah, okay, that's a lot of
Speaker 2: people are Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4: So the forty nine ers are getting a running back
Speaker 4: back quote unquote Isaac Gooddo or Garyendo something like that.
Speaker 4: He has a spring foot, but he does plan. Played
Speaker 4: tonight against the Rams h Thursday Night Football. It's the
Speaker 4: La Rams, San Francisco. Forty nine ers in for the
Speaker 4: NFC West. The tight race. Yeah yeah, okay. To transitioning
Speaker 4: between college football and the NFL, Arizona wide receiver Ted
Speaker 4: Tarrow McMillan did declare officially the NFL all of twos
Speaker 4: on this Yeah, so best of.
Speaker 2: Luck to him.
Speaker 4: I've seen some projections to the Saints, to the Titans
Speaker 4: looking at the sixth seventh spot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the dude is good. You know what.
Speaker 3: I've said this a few times. I thought he'd be
Speaker 3: the best player to ever play here, and then this
Speaker 3: year happens.
Speaker 2: So that's screwed that.
Speaker 5: I still think there's an argument.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, to have a season like this season.
Speaker 5: Did what he did?
Speaker 4: Was you State quarterback Malachi Nelson, the former number one
Speaker 4: overall prospect of twenty twenty three, is entering the transfer
Speaker 4: portal again.
Speaker 2: I saw that. And they have another guy too.
Speaker 3: They have two guys, right, two pretty good guys and
Speaker 3: they're in the playoffs or they're in the playoffs. Goes
Speaker 3: to show you how much talent is out there in
Speaker 3: the portal. And and you know, we live life, and
Speaker 3: you can never make anybody happy. You never know what's
Speaker 3: going on in other places, because everybody wants to lead
Speaker 3: the other place to be happier somewhere else.
Speaker 7: Did you ever think you'd see the day where a
Speaker 7: kid could play college sports and play for four different
Speaker 7: teams in four years, Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: Be eight years.
Speaker 3: There's a dude at Miami who's been there eight years
Speaker 3: I think. And then the quarterback the Utah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's amazing. You know that guy
Speaker 7: Malachi started at USC one year. Now he's at Boys's
Speaker 7: State one year. Yeah, he's going to go somewhere else
Speaker 7: for another year. I mean, I mean again, what a
Speaker 7: different college sports is now?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, going back to the cam Rising, I saw a
Speaker 4: graphic that said him and Trevor Lawrence were in the
Speaker 4: same recruiting class and Trevor Lawrence has played for the
Speaker 4: Jaguars for almost five years now, So college football. Last
Speaker 4: thing I got in college football. ESPN analyst Dan Mullen
Speaker 4: did agree to become UNLVS next.
Speaker 3: Yeah, football, old coaches are being found somewhere right, he's
Speaker 3: doing ESPN Rich rog is going back home too.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of hoo. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, that's all I got. Okay, we're gonna take
Speaker 3: the break, get a hold of that. In the the fess,
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Speaker 1: the Ball with Steve Rivera on Fox Sports fourteen fifty.
Speaker 3: Hey, welcome back to you eying the ball here on
Speaker 3: Fox Sports Fortune fifty.
Speaker 2: I'm Steve Rivera.
Speaker 3: In today with me is Dave Cosbro from the Pima
Speaker 3: men's soccer program.
Speaker 2: Now on the phone, we have Jason finnie A.
Speaker 3: Describe what you do because I was trying to tell
Speaker 3: coach here more psychological fitness stuff like that.
Speaker 9: Yeah, how do you guys do it today? So what
Speaker 9: I do is I actually work the full perspect of
Speaker 9: an athlete. So it's a whole health development program focusing
Speaker 9: on the physical and mental and the emotional. So really
Speaker 9: having a balancing between all three to make sure that
Speaker 9: there's a congruence and an agreement. So when the kid
Speaker 9: is practicing or when they're performing, you know, the mental
Speaker 9: game is just on the same plane as their physical.
Speaker 9: So mental toughness is really what I'm focusing on right now.
Speaker 9: I'm working with some golfers that all Cantista door, a
Speaker 9: little fourteen year olds. They're doing fantastic and I've had
Speaker 9: two sessions with them already, and already there's an improvement.
Speaker 9: It's just a question of understanding what they need and
Speaker 9: really getting them to get a grip on the negative
Speaker 9: aspect of what's going on in their head, you know.
Speaker 9: So I'm really enjoying it.
Speaker 3: We talked about this when I met you a couple
Speaker 3: of days ago, and I love I love the idea
Speaker 3: because I talk about mental toughness all the time because
Speaker 3: people don't talk about it. Over the last fifteen, ten
Speaker 3: twenty years, what did the mental part of it kind
Speaker 3: of become a big factor?
Speaker 2: Although it probably was before.
Speaker 9: Well, it's been like in our sports world for fifteen
Speaker 9: twenty years, but really it's hit mainstream i'd say in
Speaker 9: the last ten and specifically now the last five ever,
Speaker 9: since you're getting a lot of Olympians and stuff like
Speaker 9: that that are coming out and being public with their
Speaker 9: mental health issues. It's just been something that people are
Speaker 9: paying more attention to and it's starting to hit the
Speaker 9: grassroots level, which is really cool because now it's giving
Speaker 9: kids an opportunity to understand what the mental game is
Speaker 9: and how it could help them perform better. Not just
Speaker 9: learn the actual physical skills, but learn the mental skills
Speaker 9: to deal with everything that's going to come with being
Speaker 9: a competitive athlete.
Speaker 2: Dave. Yeah, it's great to meet you.
Speaker 7: And you know, I've been coaching for a while and
Speaker 7: it's you know, this is an area I really have
Speaker 7: no knowledge, and so this is very interesting to me.
Speaker 7: So do you deal with individuals or do you deal
Speaker 7: with like the team concept as well? And how would
Speaker 7: you maybe start with an individual and then take it
Speaker 7: to a team like golfin's an individual sport, but I'm
Speaker 7: sure you work with basketball players baseball players where you
Speaker 7: know the team con that is, you know, very important
Speaker 7: for the success.
Speaker 9: Yeah, so nice to meet you too, coach. Thanks so much. Really,
Speaker 9: the first thing is is just to get to understand
Speaker 9: the difference between the physical and the mental and how
Speaker 9: they go together, because most athletes, especially the young ones,
Speaker 9: they don't really see a difference between the two because
Speaker 9: they're told to just you know, get in the game
Speaker 9: or you know, focus more or you know, concentrate, you know,
Speaker 9: play harder. But all that stuff means nothing to them
Speaker 9: unless they can actually put a meaning to what those
Speaker 9: words and those sayings are. And now what we're doing
Speaker 9: is we're helping the kids find the meaning of how
Speaker 9: they can actually implement that in their everyday training and
Speaker 9: in their games. So what we do is we create
Speaker 9: a program that it's the same as their physical program.
Speaker 9: So if they're doing a physical program and they're lifting weights, right,
Speaker 9: they're going to be recruiting skeletal muscle and they're going
Speaker 9: to create hypertrophy in order to you knowlicit the response
Speaker 9: that they want to take, we're more muscle. Well, the
Speaker 9: same thing has to happen on the mental side. You
Speaker 9: have to create a mental muscle where you're actually conditioning
Speaker 9: your thoughts, your behaviors, and your thinking patterns to then
Speaker 9: allow your body to adjust and use that in your
Speaker 9: game situation. Because what I found is that the mental
Speaker 9: game is something that can make the difference between making
Speaker 9: the team, making the playoffs, and winning a championship. And
Speaker 9: it's becoming more and more prevalent at the grassroots level,
Speaker 9: which is helping develop the athletes so that when they
Speaker 9: get to like high school, they're already there. They're starting
Speaker 9: to really understand the elements that are important when it
Speaker 9: comes to the physical and the mental go together. You
Speaker 9: see a lot of it's been separate for the last
Speaker 9: sixteen years and it's like, oh, you got to have
Speaker 9: the mental training and then you have to add the
Speaker 9: physical training, but there's no connection. What I try and
Speaker 9: do is I create the connection between the two. So
Speaker 9: the athlete understands that the mental game has to be
Speaker 9: there for the physical game to work. Because in the morning,
Speaker 9: yeah go ahead, no, no.
Speaker 2: You go ahead.
Speaker 9: Well, for example, you know in the morning, when you
Speaker 9: go to bed, your feet don't start. You know, your
Speaker 9: mind tells your feet's time to get out of bed.
Speaker 9: So it's the same thing when you're actually performing. You know,
Speaker 9: your sport, whatever is, it's soccer on the field, if
Speaker 9: it's golf, you know, on the course, it's hockey, on
Speaker 9: your rank, whatever it may be, you know, it's the
Speaker 9: mental it's going to start the initial desire to create
Speaker 9: the action. And if you have that, then the confidence builds.
Speaker 9: Then then you start to really, you know, have this
Speaker 9: intrinsic validation of what you're doing because now you're not
Speaker 9: looking for the outside occolades, because you can build it
Speaker 9: yourself because you understand what it means to create an
Speaker 9: environment for yourself where you can now do all of
Speaker 9: that motivating from your own intrinsic validation. And that's the
Speaker 9: coolest thing about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was gonna go with motor mechanics and
Speaker 3: all that stuff, but I would, assuming this having watched
Speaker 3: a bunch of athletes have a couple of kids too, Dave,
Speaker 3: that you get better by practice, right, and you get
Speaker 3: better by practicing the exacts, say motions repetitively right, and
Speaker 3: then you just talk the same thing in the head
Speaker 3: in the mind.
Speaker 9: Well, it's the same thing with your motivation training and
Speaker 9: your mindset training, is that it's all through repetition. So
Speaker 9: you have to do active training to create a different
Speaker 9: mindset because the mindset, if you just use that mindset
Speaker 9: to do your physical training with, you're not going to
Speaker 9: be able to change anything from your performance standpoint, because
Speaker 9: the mind that is not working now is what you're
Speaker 9: trying to change your physical with. So unless you actually
Speaker 9: change the way you think, the way you actually visualize
Speaker 9: and see not only your sport but yourself in the sport,
Speaker 9: you're not going to be able to change the way
Speaker 9: you perform because that particular programming is not working, so
Speaker 9: we have to change the programming. How do we do
Speaker 9: that by creating an active training system that finishes the
Speaker 9: mind and allows you to get to where you need
Speaker 9: to be for the mind to work along with the physical.
Speaker 2: So let me let me ask you this.
Speaker 3: Does it work better for kids maybe under fifteen or whatever,
Speaker 3: because they're very impressional. It's like when you teach somebody's language,
Speaker 3: they learn better as a kids. When you're adult, you
Speaker 3: don't remember crap and all that stuff. Is it better
Speaker 3: to be taught young than maybe old? And maybe does
Speaker 3: it translate into the workforce? Does that make sense?
Speaker 9: Well? Yes, absolutely. I mean, look, here's the thing. The
Speaker 9: only things that are never going to change in life
Speaker 9: is that you have to spend every waking moment with
Speaker 9: that body in that mind, So no matter your age,
Speaker 9: you can't change it. But the cool thing is, like
Speaker 9: you said, when you're young, you're a sponge and you
Speaker 9: can just really take in everything and learn really quickly
Speaker 9: all kinds of different things. And a lot of the
Speaker 9: times there's no resistance. So you can teach someone who's
Speaker 9: younger and easier because they're not going to give you
Speaker 9: resistance and they're not going to have a lot of
Speaker 9: that noise coming from their negative self talk. There isn't
Speaker 9: that much there. However, if you start working with an adult,
Speaker 9: you'll notice that you know, you have to get through
Speaker 9: all that resistance before you can get to a position
Speaker 9: that they're starting to build this mental force field, so
Speaker 9: to speak, so that they can create the long term change.
Speaker 9: But the first thing I teach the kids, and this
Speaker 9: is easy to teach them, is that you can't create
Speaker 9: change with something that.
Speaker 2: Is not real.
Speaker 9: So if you're living through a persona or the wishes
Speaker 9: or the hopes or the dreams right now, you're not
Speaker 9: gonna be able to move anything forward because it's not
Speaker 9: your reality right now. What your reality is how you're
Speaker 9: performing today, how you're feeling today, how you're thinking today.
Speaker 9: And once you accept that and really use that as
Speaker 9: your baseline, then we can create the change. And it's
Speaker 9: the same thing with the adults. But the adoles takes longer.
Speaker 2: Makes sense, That makes sense.
Speaker 3: So Dave here coaches seventeen eighteen, nineteen year olds, maybe
Speaker 3: a little older, and he coaches youth soccer as well.
Speaker 3: Very successful coach. Is there an optimal age?
Speaker 9: Again, the earlier the better. But I work with a
Speaker 9: lot of sixteen to eighteen year olds, so the mental
Speaker 9: toughness is fantastic at any age. But really, if they're
Speaker 9: understanding that in order for them to be six sessbout
Speaker 9: what they want to do, they have to get through
Speaker 9: all of the cobwebs, so to speak, that are creating
Speaker 9: the resistance and creating all of the noise and all
Speaker 9: of those things that can affect them on the field.
Speaker 9: If they understand that all that can be done through
Speaker 9: a mind training program, then they'll be also very easy
Speaker 9: to train because they're hungry. They want they want to
Speaker 9: have that difference. You know, everybody's looking for what is
Speaker 9: the edge? What can they find that's going to make
Speaker 9: a difference in their performance? How can they get the
Speaker 9: edge and the competition? And really it's what's between the ears,
Speaker 9: because when you get on the field, or if you're
Speaker 9: trying to make the team and it's between you know,
Speaker 9: one or two or three players. Coach knows this that
Speaker 9: the difference is not necessarily you know, what's happening physically,
Speaker 9: because physically they're all pretty close to being the same thing.
Speaker 9: It's what's between the ears. Are they coachable. Are they
Speaker 9: do they have a good attitude? Are they a team player?
Speaker 9: You know? Are they able to deal with distractions? Can
Speaker 9: they deal with their own emotions? All these things are
Speaker 9: the important elements that really come into place, especially today
Speaker 9: when you're trying to recruit players.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, I'll be curious to see and maybe
Speaker 7: I'm misreading this whole thing, but you know, for a
Speaker 7: lot of coaches, I think, you know, you find out
Speaker 7: a lot more about your players and your kids' mental
Speaker 7: strength and their character through adversity or failure, you know,
Speaker 7: and the ability to deal with adversity and failure. You know,
Speaker 7: in junior college we don't have the funding to have
Speaker 7: airplanes and stuff like that. You know, we have sprinklers
Speaker 7: go off in the middle of a game and all
Speaker 7: sorts of weird things happen. And the ability to adapt
Speaker 7: and be successful in those environments when there's adversity or
Speaker 7: even when you lose a game, or like you said,
Speaker 7: you know, you've played, you've started your whole life, You
Speaker 7: get through college, and now you're being asked to be
Speaker 7: second or thirdeen.
Speaker 2: Is that stuff you address it? And if so, I mean, like,
Speaker 2: how do you go about doing that.
Speaker 9: Well, you just have to break it down into steps,
Speaker 9: and for example, my Mental Toughness program is a twelve
Speaker 9: week pro to start, And what we do is we
Speaker 9: have to first of all, create the picture of the
Speaker 9: athlete today. Who are they today in this moment, So
Speaker 9: we just take the canvas and we painted according to
Speaker 9: how they are today. Once they accept that, then we
Speaker 9: can create change. Then we can make all the differences
Speaker 9: happen because you know, they're truthful and they're being honest
Speaker 9: with their true self and not their perceived self. So
Speaker 9: the reality is true and not perceived. That's the first step.
Speaker 9: And once you get into the program and the kids
Speaker 9: understand this and they see the difference between really being
Speaker 9: honest with themselves, having to look at themselves in the mirrors,
Speaker 9: really really being truthful with who they are and what
Speaker 9: they are today, they understand that that's the only way
Speaker 9: you can create the change. And then we can work
Speaker 9: on all the different elements. We can talk about negative
Speaker 9: self talk, we can talk about distraction, we can talk
Speaker 9: about reputation, we can talk about all these different things
Speaker 9: that will make or break an athlete as they get
Speaker 9: older and move up the ranks or at least try
Speaker 9: to because you know, anybody is looking for a complete
Speaker 9: athlete today. Everybody wants the full picture, you know, recruiters
Speaker 9: looking and they're saying, you know what, I need someone
Speaker 9: who understands the mental game, who's got the physical skills,
Speaker 9: and who has the emotional ability to control everything, you
Speaker 9: know when things get a little too hot. And that's
Speaker 9: hard to find, you because you know, it's very hard
Speaker 9: to find. But more and more athletes are understanding the
Speaker 9: importance of training this and not just hoping it's going
Speaker 9: to be there. You see, for for years, we just
Speaker 9: hope it was going to be there. As athletes. I mean,
Speaker 9: I played hockey all my life and you know, we
Speaker 9: never focused on mental training. It was like, just be tough,
Speaker 9: be this, be that, you know, get.
Speaker 2: In the corner or whatever.
Speaker 9: It may be, nothing to do with anything that will
Speaker 9: help the child understand why and how, and putting it
Speaker 9: into an actual structured program. Right now, we have the
Speaker 9: Now we have the possibility to do that. We can
Speaker 9: put this in a structured program and create change through
Speaker 9: teaching the athlete and or the young athlete exactly why
Speaker 9: they're doing it. And when they have the understanding of why,
Speaker 9: then they can implement the.
Speaker 3: How we're all of the age of you remember Todd
Speaker 3: Morenovich and his parents try to like the role back
Speaker 3: guy that that perfect athlete, blah blah blah, and we
Speaker 3: saw all that went. So you're you're not looking to
Speaker 3: create the perfect the perfect athlete, you just want to smarter.
Speaker 9: H No, No, I'm looking at helping people become better
Speaker 9: in everything that they do, because these are skills that
Speaker 9: will take them anywhere in life. Mental training is not
Speaker 9: just for the competitive athlete, but the competitive athlete who
Speaker 9: unfortunately doesn't you know, unfortunately fails to get to where
Speaker 9: they want to be with their athletics. They can take
Speaker 9: the skills and bring them into business. The most successful
Speaker 9: business people were athletes, you know, because they have they
Speaker 9: have a desire, they have a competition, they have they
Speaker 9: have this edge about them. You know, they're hungry, they're
Speaker 9: very competitive. And not just that they know how to hustle,
Speaker 9: they know how to train, they're disciplined. All that stuff
Speaker 9: has to carry into the mental training as well.
Speaker 2: Right right now and love.
Speaker 3: As I said, the athletes become pretty good employers because
Speaker 3: they know about team, teamwork things exactly.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and even if you're in an individual sport,
Speaker 9: you know, you still have a team around you, and
Speaker 9: you know, to make them understand that everybody that's around
Speaker 9: them is part of their team. It's kind of like
Speaker 9: an AHA moment for a lot of these young kids.
Speaker 9: They don't think about that. They think about, you know,
Speaker 9: if they're an individual player, if they're a golfer, or
Speaker 9: if they're you know, someone that just performs by themselves.
Speaker 9: They think, well, it's just me. But when they understand
Speaker 9: it's not just me, they also realize that they're not
Speaker 9: alone on the quest, you know, right right, So it
Speaker 9: opens up a different door for them.
Speaker 3: Do you handle do you handle teams or just individuals?
Speaker 3: Think they've asked you that too. Just where where are
Speaker 3: somebody's individual You don't have their own individual needs, but
Speaker 3: they kind of meld together.
Speaker 9: It's interesting. So here's the cool thing about the program
Speaker 9: is that I can work with teams because what we
Speaker 9: do is we create the concept and we give them
Speaker 9: with the concept is but from there the individual details
Speaker 9: are filled in by the player. So you know, we all,
Speaker 9: for example, deal with fear, and we all deal with abandonment,
Speaker 9: and we all deal with all these different issues However,
Speaker 9: what makes them pertinent to each individual are the details,
Speaker 9: what is their story, what makes it their personal story,
Speaker 9: And that's how we create the change because once something
Speaker 9: is personal to someone, then it resonates with them and
Speaker 9: it hits them. And you could only really change something
Speaker 9: that affects you. You know. It's like if someone tells
Speaker 9: you something that you don't really respect, or you know,
Speaker 9: they mouth off or whatever. You know, you brush it off.
Speaker 9: It's not a big deal. But if your parents tell you,
Speaker 9: or your brother or your sister or whatever and you're
Speaker 9: you know, you're thirteen, fourteen years old, Wow, now that
Speaker 9: hits home right because it affects you because now there's
Speaker 9: something attached to that. So the idea of teaching the
Speaker 9: athlete that you know, it's important to understand how to
Speaker 9: deal with these things is very very important to getting
Speaker 9: the kid to understand that that's part of their full
Speaker 9: development because the attachment that they have to their team,
Speaker 9: their parents, their coaches, this or that is becomes personal
Speaker 9: and as it becomes personal, sometimes it's very difficult for
Speaker 9: them to handle it. So again, it's all about the emotional,
Speaker 9: you know, how do we channel We channel the emotional
Speaker 9: and get them to understand that, you know, when you
Speaker 9: make decisions on emotions, most of the time they're going
Speaker 9: to be wrong because you know, you're not doing the
Speaker 9: you're not making a decision according to the objectivity of
Speaker 9: the situation.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So j Jason real quick, because we've got to go.
Speaker 3: How can people find you?
Speaker 9: Yeah, they can find me online. They can go to
Speaker 9: an athlete by Jason Jason with two s's O N.
Speaker 9: And they can email me at Jason dot Finny at
Speaker 9: gmail dot com. It's Jason with two s's. Or they
Speaker 9: can contact me on phone at seven eight nine zero
Speaker 9: two nine. And I'd be happy to have a consultation
Speaker 9: with coaches individuals.
Speaker 2: No problem.
Speaker 9: And you know, I'd love to help as many teams
Speaker 9: as I can. I'm brand new to Tucson. I'm looking
Speaker 9: forward to helping as many young athletes as I can.
Speaker 9: And I really appreciate your time and allowing me to,
Speaker 9: you know, let people know a little bit about what
Speaker 9: I do.
Speaker 2: Great, Thank you, Jason. Good to hear from me.
Speaker 9: Be well, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Thanks, We got to go. Thanks a bunch.
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Speaker 3: Hey, welcome back to Wing the bout here at Fox
Speaker 3: Sports fourteen fifteen. I'm Steve, You're Dave done one with us.
Speaker 3: I think the show is better off we not on
Speaker 3: the air. I don't have to worry about the cousin.
Speaker 3: But no, we've got about twelve minutes, Dave, I hope
Speaker 3: You've had a good time so far.
Speaker 2: Just shooting the crap. Oh.
Speaker 7: I can talk all day long about sports and in
Speaker 7: particular about soccer, So this is a normal day for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, great, great, great. So you're you're at you
Speaker 3: were DOTC. You were at the FC Tucson, Right, is
Speaker 3: Ted still there?
Speaker 2: Ted just left as our president of Okay he was
Speaker 2: there forever? Ted was great?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ted Schmid, of course, a longtime guy. Soccer in
Speaker 3: town has gotten a lot of levels up, I think, right,
Speaker 3: and you're benefiting from it.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 7: You know, when I was a kid, I never thought
Speaker 7: i'd see anything like I have seen in America and
Speaker 7: in Tucson in particular.
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's is very, very good youth soccer.
Speaker 7: The junior college program men and women at PIMAR are
Speaker 7: both nationally ranked.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 7: The women's soccer program at the University of Arizona, you know,
Speaker 7: has had good years and they had a good year
Speaker 7: just recently, so that that's a solid program. And then
Speaker 7: of course you have FC Tucson, and then you get
Speaker 7: you know where you know, we get these games where
Speaker 7: MLS teams are coming to train here, USL teams, you know,
Speaker 7: the professional teams and you know, I think there's some
Speaker 7: talk that we may even see some national teams here
Speaker 7: at Keino over the next couple of years, maybe for
Speaker 7: World Cup and those events.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's growing, it's growing, and they're doing the
Speaker 3: facilities to make it happen, right or fixing the facilities
Speaker 3: to make it happen. And Tucson's kind of like one
Speaker 3: of those places you don't hear well rich Rod, did
Speaker 3: you mention that Richhard or somebody else's it's not a
Speaker 3: destination place, so you talked about with coaches, But if
Speaker 3: you fly over it and say, what's that?
Speaker 2: What's that?
Speaker 3: But once they get here, they look, it's the reason
Speaker 3: why you haven't left right one, It's the reason why
Speaker 3: I've stayed. You say, oh, it's kind of cool here.
Speaker 3: And I think Tucson is a unique place, you know.
Speaker 7: And you know, when I'm out recruiting outside of you know,
Speaker 7: Arizona kids because you know, that's where most of our
Speaker 7: kids come from.
Speaker 2: But you know, like today, I think Tuson is one of.
Speaker 7: The best places in the country, if not the best
Speaker 7: place in the country.
Speaker 2: From December through April.
Speaker 3: Yeah, too bad your season is not during this time.
Speaker 3: That would be great if I could. Uh, well you
Speaker 3: were talking about that. Tell them the people what you
Speaker 3: were going through at PEMA with this very very good
Speaker 3: soccer team this summer.
Speaker 2: Well, you know a lot of these kids.
Speaker 7: I think this is probably true for all the athletes,
Speaker 7: whether you at the UVE or at PEMA or even
Speaker 7: the high school kids. The commitment that takes now to
Speaker 7: be to be good at what you do, and it
Speaker 7: doesn't matter what sport, but the time, the effort, you know,
Speaker 7: especially from the players.
Speaker 2: And the parents. Now the lost equation.
Speaker 7: And I know we always hear about the nightmare of parents,
Speaker 7: but there's a ton of really good parents who put
Speaker 7: a lot of time and effort into this.
Speaker 2: You know, Steve, your family was one of those families.
Speaker 7: Thank you, you know, but you know these kids, you know,
Speaker 7: a typical day for a college athlete. I mean, you
Speaker 7: go to school and you work, and your work is
Speaker 7: your your sport. You know, whether you're watching film or
Speaker 7: you're lifting, or you're training. You know, our kids train,
Speaker 7: you know at PIMA from August until basically Thanksgiving at
Speaker 7: two thirteen in afternoon, So in August, in September and October,
Speaker 7: it's brutal.
Speaker 2: And you know this year. We didn't We didn't.
Speaker 7: Start a practice at two thirty that was below ninety
Speaker 7: five until October twenty ninth.
Speaker 2: You know, so these kids, you know.
Speaker 7: They have to acclimate to the weather, they have to
Speaker 7: get used to training. It's it's not a very pleasant
Speaker 7: environment in August in September. And you know, our sport
Speaker 7: is no different than other sports.
Speaker 2: The commitment and the effort.
Speaker 3: And I've said this before, at least I asked you
Speaker 3: lest Tebieran or maybe Monaco or maybe Hockeymy nil is
Speaker 3: going to eventually trickle down because we know that they're
Speaker 3: going to get paid, and they're being paid down now
Speaker 3: with the revenue share, they're gonna be paid a lot more.
Speaker 2: Eventually, get the junior college.
Speaker 7: It's already in junior college, not at Pima, but there
Speaker 7: are places that are signing kids at il deals in
Speaker 7: junior college.
Speaker 2: Is that the rich place? Just different different places.
Speaker 7: I think I saw something where a kid couldn't qualify
Speaker 7: Division one basketball player and of course he had, you know,
Speaker 7: a big presence on social media, and they got him some.
Speaker 2: Type of deal. Oh yeah, So yeah, it's coming down.
Speaker 7: And it's also changing the way we recruit because they
Speaker 7: have roster limits. I don't know if you've covered that before,
Speaker 7: but a lot of the sports now have roster limits.
Speaker 7: So men's soccer now can only carry twenty eight kids
Speaker 7: where they used to be able to carry I think
Speaker 7: thirty four to thirty five. So that's another six kids
Speaker 7: who aren't playing Division one who are now going to
Speaker 7: go to Division two and that will knock kids down.
Speaker 2: So you know, we're starting to see the trickle down effect.
Speaker 2: You have a rush limit.
Speaker 7: Junior college does not you know, junior college to wild
Speaker 7: wild West to try to keep people happy and you know,
Speaker 7: make it so they're involved in investment in program. We
Speaker 7: typically keep between twenty five.
Speaker 3: And thirty really, and there's no way you can to
Speaker 3: keep everybody happy. There's just no way or do you.
Speaker 2: No, No, I don't think anybody does.
Speaker 7: You know? And you know, and we we really, I mean,
Speaker 7: we have some excellent kids, like you know, this year
Speaker 7: we talk about you know, eleven sophomores who started for
Speaker 7: US I think ten or going to be moving on
Speaker 7: to play a four year university. But we had, you know,
Speaker 7: fifteen kids who didn't play with play a lot of games,
Speaker 7: but they came to practice in ninety five degree heat
Speaker 7: every day. Sure, and there's no way we get to
Speaker 7: where we did without those kids. And you know, that's
Speaker 7: what I don't like about sports. Probably the number one
Speaker 7: thing I don't like about sports now is you don't
Speaker 7: know about the kids who do all the dirty work
Speaker 7: that don't get the notoriety of the social media, the stats,
Speaker 7: the top ten play on you know ESPN, Right, But
Speaker 7: these kids still grind, they go to school, they work,
Speaker 7: they're the first ones off the bench, they get up
Speaker 7: at five thirty in the morning, and nobody knows their names.
Speaker 7: But you can't get to where you want to go
Speaker 7: in the team sport if you don't have guys to
Speaker 7: train against and train with.
Speaker 3: Sure, No, I know you probably need at least twenty five, right,
Speaker 3: because you have to compete against each other on the
Speaker 3: field and do what you do on practice wise. So yeah, No,
Speaker 3: how is soccer and kids changed in the last you've
Speaker 3: been putting.
Speaker 2: For thirty years? Three?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 2: How's that? How was each changed?
Speaker 8: Well?
Speaker 7: You know, I think the game kind of is still
Speaker 7: the game, but there's different ways to play it now,
Speaker 7: and you know, it seems to go in a cycle
Speaker 7: where you do things differently so I think being adaptable
Speaker 7: as a coach and as a player is really important.
Speaker 2: I love where the game's at now. I think it's a.
Speaker 7: Fun game to watch, you know, it's it's it's a
Speaker 7: lot more athletic and competitive than I think people would
Speaker 7: notice unless you go see a live game and see
Speaker 7: how fast and strong these players are, which is true
Speaker 7: for you know, American football or basketball. You're talking about
Speaker 7: the elite athletes in our country, you know, and they're massive,
Speaker 7: and they're unbelievably athletic, and you know, they might be
Speaker 7: the twelfth guy on the NBA bench, but do you
Speaker 7: know how good that guy is. I mean that that
Speaker 7: guy is an unbelievable athlete. So so, you know, I
Speaker 7: like where the game is at. In terms of the kids,
Speaker 7: I think, like anything else, kids just change, you know,
Speaker 7: they change from the sixties to the eighties to the
Speaker 7: two thousands to the twenties. And I think coaches, you know,
Speaker 7: are challenged every year to adapt it and roll with it.
Speaker 7: And that's I mean, that's one of the I personally
Speaker 7: like it because.
Speaker 2: They are they more coachable.
Speaker 7: I don't have a problem with them being coachable, honestly,
Speaker 7: you know, I think they ask more questions, and they
Speaker 7: want to know why things are happening a little bit more.
Speaker 2: You know, why I'm not playing?
Speaker 7: Why why did you sell me out? I think they
Speaker 7: feel a little bit more empowered.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 7: I'm not personally threatened by that. I don't take that
Speaker 7: as like, you know, a question of my coaching ability.
Speaker 7: I like that communication with my players, but you know,
Speaker 7: I just think they're different, and you know, and for
Speaker 7: me working with different players, and every once in a
Speaker 7: while I'll go coach on the girls side just to
Speaker 7: challenge myself, you know.
Speaker 2: I like the challenge. You know, I don't want it
Speaker 2: to be repetitive.
Speaker 7: I want to, you know, be able to teach different
Speaker 7: ways to different people, you know, to different genders. So
Speaker 7: I think, you know, as the athletes change, I look
Speaker 7: forward to that challenge.
Speaker 3: Right well, and they changed you, Well, miracles do happen,
Speaker 3: don't tell anybody.
Speaker 2: Is Charlie Kendrick still around.
Speaker 7: Charlie does do a little bit of coaching, and he
Speaker 7: coaches his kid within the club, but he doesn't do
Speaker 7: high school anymore.
Speaker 2: No, No, I tested coach, I think, in my opinion.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Charlie, you know one I think nine State titles
Speaker 7: in eleven years at Caltan of Foothills on the girls side.
Speaker 7: Incredible mentor incredible you know, uh, professional and what a
Speaker 7: great person.
Speaker 2: And you know that because you work with them.
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, Charlie is one of my oldest
Speaker 7: friends and somebody I grew up coaching with, so.
Speaker 2: You know, I really have a fondness for him.
Speaker 7: And you know, obviously he doesn't coach as much as
Speaker 7: he used to, which really is a loss for our
Speaker 7: soccer community.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no question.
Speaker 3: And there's a you have wolf Gang, like I said,
Speaker 3: with Kelly Pierce, who's done fantastic with stuffin over there,
Speaker 3: and then f C two Sons and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: Just a variety of styles too, right, everybody has their
Speaker 3: own style.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I think probably most sports and I don't
Speaker 7: know enough about professional sports other words, but you know,
Speaker 7: I think, you know, the great thing is there's different
Speaker 7: ways to play the game, you know, and there's not
Speaker 7: one right way to play, you know, And and you
Speaker 7: see that at the World Cup. You'll see different teams
Speaker 7: play different styles. You see it in the MLS. You know,
Speaker 7: you'll in high school soccer and twos on Arizona and
Speaker 7: again I think the coaches who do really well are
Speaker 7: able to adapt their styles, to teach their styles to
Speaker 7: get the buy in from the athletes.
Speaker 3: So so I wouldn't mind going back and pissing some
Speaker 3: people off at u of A.
Speaker 2: So let's go.
Speaker 3: So your dad taught there, You're you're familiar with Arizona
Speaker 3: some of your best moments because you must have been close.
Speaker 3: You must have been close watching it here at u giving.
Speaker 3: Your dad was a teacher or professor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, uh, you know, I grew up with the
Speaker 2: u of A.
Speaker 7: So you know, I still remember the UVA beating Miami
Speaker 7: in the Yestera Bowl.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that was a shutout, maybe twenty nineties ere zero.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, and I remember for the first time
Speaker 7: a u of A player running away from the Miami secondary.
Speaker 2: You know what you hadn't seen before?
Speaker 9: Was that?
Speaker 2: Was that Chuck Levy? Maybe? Probably? Yeah, back in nineties.
Speaker 7: Usually the uf A running back gets run down by
Speaker 7: those leading schools. I mean he just went right by him,
Speaker 7: you know, heartbreak. Unfortunately, never get into a Rose Bowl,
Speaker 7: you know where. Sure, I think it was against Cow
Speaker 7: one year. We threw an interception late and if we
Speaker 7: had just beaten cow we would have gone on the
Speaker 7: Rose Bowl.
Speaker 2: So those are a great memories.
Speaker 7: You know, my dad, My dad was a big baseball guy,
Speaker 7: so watching you know, baseball in the eighties. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 7: you know, and remember the main if you were around
Speaker 7: for that and the comeback. No, yeah, you have to
Speaker 7: look it up. But you know, Arizona was down late,
Speaker 7: huge home run late. It was the first game there too,
Speaker 7: and I think it just sparked them and they just
Speaker 7: went on.
Speaker 2: So so you know, you were just a kid then, right, Yeah, well.
Speaker 7: I'd like to say it, but I was probably I
Speaker 7: think that was eighty six, eight or eighties seenager Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: you know, and then and of course, you know, I
Speaker 7: think everybody in tu Son's always going to remember nineteen
Speaker 7: ninety seven. Yeah, so yeah, I remember exactly what I
Speaker 7: was doing that night. That's what the Yeah, you know
Speaker 7: you were born, Yeah, I was. I was old enough
Speaker 7: to go down to fourth and you know, celebrate. And
Speaker 7: I've never seen two sons like that before.
Speaker 2: Did you see bad stuff? No?
Speaker 7: I was gone, But for the first three hours it
Speaker 7: was awesome. I mean, what a sense of community. And
Speaker 7: you know, of course everybody wants to write about this
Speaker 7: that happened afterwards. But I mean people are just stopping
Speaker 7: in the middle of street, getting out of car, hugging people.
Speaker 7: I mean I never thought we see that in Tucson,
Speaker 7: and it was awesome.
Speaker 2: Right right.
Speaker 3: They almost did it again in two thousand and one
Speaker 3: when they lost to Duke of course. Uh yeah, Nouson
Speaker 3: is a special place. It's just different, you know, it's
Speaker 3: just different. Yeah, yep, don't start crying one I might.
Speaker 4: Honestly, I remember the good stuff in the back stuff.
Speaker 4: So you know when we lost to Wisconsin the first time, yeah,
Speaker 4: there was right diniversity. Yeah, but then you have teams
Speaker 4: like the women's basketball team with Aarry McDonald.
Speaker 5: They Tuson loves that type.
Speaker 2: Of story, right, right, and they're very loyal. They're very loyal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no matter how much we might be mad at
Speaker 4: them or hate our lives.
Speaker 3: And how man they want to fire the coach, you
Speaker 3: always want to come back.
Speaker 5: They always want to come back. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Every year. It's like the Chicago Cubs. Every year they're
Speaker 2: going to win it, you know.
Speaker 7: Sure, you know that's expectation, you know, and you know
Speaker 7: I didn't like, you know, for me, you know, just
Speaker 7: watching and he kind of got almost numb to it
Speaker 7: what they did with the Arizona softball program. Sure, I mean,
Speaker 7: and you know, because I pay attention because you're talking
Speaker 7: about I believe Andre left coaching junior college baseball to
Speaker 7: become a softball coach, you know, for women, and you know,
Speaker 7: you build a dynasty, and you know, and it got
Speaker 7: to the point and I felt bad for him that, like,
Speaker 7: if they didn't win, everybody's like, what's wrong, right, because
Speaker 7: they just expected to win every year and and I mean,
Speaker 7: you know, probably historically that's got to be the top.
Speaker 2: Program at the University of Arizona. So here's my advice
Speaker 2: to you, Dave.
Speaker 3: Don't screw up so you won't have anybody questioning you.
Speaker 2: Don't go.
Speaker 3: Don't go eighteen and five because what the hell happened
Speaker 3: with those five losses?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 7: I get that all the time, you know, And and
Speaker 7: you know, I think the first person.
Speaker 2: I always ask is myself.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, but yeah, you know, you know, when
Speaker 7: you when you're expected to win it, it does create
Speaker 7: a certain amount of pressure.
Speaker 3: Right, No, I hear you. The more you succeed, the
Speaker 3: more they want you to succeed or else. Yeah, even at.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, you know, I think people just assume
Speaker 7: and they don't understand how hard it is to continue
Speaker 7: you to win, first to get there, and then to
Speaker 7: continue to win.
Speaker 2: They just assume it's going to always be that way.
Speaker 3: And if you don't fire the coach, right and they
Speaker 3: have no part of You're seeing it all the time
Speaker 3: now socially. And my problem is they have no money
Speaker 3: in their pockets, they have no money in their bank.
Speaker 3: They're not going to help to contribute to the firing
Speaker 3: of the coach. They're just throwing it out there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I guess my biggest problem is, you know, the
Speaker 7: knowledge base, you know. I mean I hate to say,
Speaker 7: but you know, like you know, Tommy Lloyd knows more
Speaker 7: about basketball than anybody in the city, and he's going
Speaker 7: to fix that team, and he knows what's the problem.
Speaker 7: He doesn't need people to tell him that maybe they
Speaker 7: are getting out rebounded, you know. I mean, the guy's
Speaker 7: an expert, and he's won more games than three years
Speaker 7: than anybody in the history of the game, you know.
Speaker 7: And I just don't feel I personally don't feel qualified
Speaker 7: to question that guy in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as they shouldn't with you in soccer, so you know,
Speaker 3: you just show me a resume.
Speaker 2: Here's my resume, give me a call.
Speaker 7: Oh so that's uh Tom and loud Olsen in the
Speaker 7: same sentence with my names.
Speaker 3: And just keep your resume in the back book. We
Speaker 3: gotta go. Thanks Dave for joining us, Thank you one
Speaker 3: for doing see tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Last thing I got for you. You said the Warriors
Speaker 4: got robbed. Yeah, the NBA came out.
Speaker 2: With their part. They said it was correct. Yeah, of
Speaker 2: course they're gonna say it's correct. We gotta go.