Speaker 1: Oh gee is folks, it's showtime.
Speaker 2: People say good money to see this movie.
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Speaker 4: Hey, folks, Welcome to a special episode of the Projection Booth.
Speaker 4: I'm your host, Mike White. On this episode, I'm talking
Speaker 4: with the authors of the Scarred for Life series. That's
Speaker 4: Scarred for Life Volume one, two, and three, all available
Speaker 4: at lulu dot com. They are also behind the Scarred
Speaker 4: for Life podcast as well as a live show. They
Speaker 4: being Steven Brothers Stone and Dave Lawrence. They took the
Speaker 4: time out of their schedules to talk to me about
Speaker 4: their series. I had a wonderful discussion. I have to
Speaker 4: say that it was prompted by a comment that was
Speaker 4: made on a episode that we did, oh quite a
Speaker 4: few years ago now, when we talked about Miracle Mile,
Speaker 4: which really helped capture the nuclear paranoia that had gripped
Speaker 4: the world at that time, possibly a little bit earlier.
Speaker 4: And one of the listeners to that episode told me
Speaker 4: that I was overreacting, that there was no reason for
Speaker 4: me to be as scared as I was by nuclear annihilation. Well, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's kind of hard telling a ten, twelve, fourteen year
Speaker 4: old that, especially when it's all over every piece of
Speaker 4: media that you can possibly think of, including television, comics, movies, books, music,
Speaker 4: and these caardful life books really bring that home. Thank
Speaker 4: you so much for listening. Thanks to Stephen and Dave
Speaker 4: for their time. I hope you enjoyed this interview.
Speaker 2: Guys.
Speaker 4: I am super excited talk to you about your book
Speaker 4: series and also your podcast and also your live show.
Speaker 4: My gosh, you guys are doing a lot of stuff.
Speaker 4: Stephen and Dave, tell me a little bit more about yourselves,
Speaker 4: and really, what's the backstory before you even meet.
Speaker 1: We met at Forbidden Planet, at the comic shop chain
Speaker 1: in Britain. I think there's one in New York as well.
Speaker 1: I went there for twenty three years and Dave was
Speaker 1: the oldest customer through that. I've always said this.
Speaker 5: Longest serving, longest, even not the oldest, longest serving.
Speaker 1: One day, I will remember the longest serving through the doors.
Speaker 1: And as happens, they become a friend of the shop,
Speaker 1: then just become a friend, and Dave would bring in
Speaker 1: buckets of biscuits. We'd make cups of tea and coffee
Speaker 1: and just have a nice natter, and it's gone for life.
Speaker 1: Born from a conversation we had him work with me
Speaker 1: and Dave and Cole I made who worked a Forbidden Planet.
Speaker 1: It was a really quiet morning. There was no deliveries,
Speaker 1: there was nothing to do, so reading bits, kids, drinking tea,
Speaker 1: and it was one of those conversations where it was
Speaker 1: do you remember this from when we were kids? Remember
Speaker 1: that comic with the shark that was going around and
Speaker 1: biting people in half? And remember that TV show about
Speaker 1: the Standing Stones that was terrifying with the horrible theme
Speaker 1: music toward film board games even And it must have
Speaker 1: been about what an hour and a half at least Dave,
Speaker 1: that we were chatting, probably a couple of hours before
Speaker 1: we had to start working. But I realized everything that
Speaker 1: we were talking about was horrible, violent, shocking, scary, inappropriate.
Speaker 1: We were talking about like the racist sitcoms that we grew
Speaker 1: up with in the seventies, and most of it was
Speaker 1: aimed at children. So I wanted to read a book
Speaker 1: that I just assumed somewhat somewhere I had written about
Speaker 1: the dark Side of seventies and eighties pop culture and
Speaker 1: couldn't find one at all on the internet anywhere. So
Speaker 1: next day in work I was chatting to Call about
Speaker 1: it and he said, you enjoy writing, why don't you
Speaker 1: write it? And I just laughed in his space. I
Speaker 1: wasn't a professional writer. I just enjoyed it as i'll be.
Speaker 1: But I couldn't shift it from your head. So I
Speaker 1: was making lists, making noteses Over the next week. I
Speaker 1: realized one of god gans a huge task this was
Speaker 1: going to be to write this book. There was so
Speaker 1: much to write about. So the next time Dave was
Speaker 1: in the following week, I said to Dave, like, you
Speaker 1: enjoy writing as well, actually writing this book together, and
Speaker 1: he said yeah, and David you can take over from here.
Speaker 1: It was it's crazy, wasn't it.
Speaker 5: Well, that's absolutely when we did the lack of material
Speaker 5: that it seed me these massive lists of stuff. I
Speaker 5: came up with massive lists of stuff. There's so much
Speaker 5: in the seventies that we could probably do another book
Speaker 5: for the same size the first one, which is seventy to
Speaker 5: forty pages, and fill it with all new stuff easily.
Speaker 5: So yes, So Stee said, you want to write this book.
Speaker 5: So I said, yeah, And I think the fact that
Speaker 5: we're working out together kind of propelled us onward a bit,
Speaker 5: I think, because I think if we'd done it on
Speaker 5: our own.
Speaker 2: We have just given up at some point.
Speaker 5: In point of fact, a guy, a friend of ours,
Speaker 5: Johnny Mains, said to us, after the first book, you
Speaker 5: can tell you know professional writers, because no professional writer
Speaker 5: would have attempted what you've done. You know, it was
Speaker 5: such an incredibly all encompassing thing we did that nobody
Speaker 5: would attempt it. People would picked one thing that they
Speaker 5: pick horror films, they pick TV shows or record whatever.
Speaker 2: But we did. We try to do everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember he said, a normal human being would
Speaker 1: have split that book into six books just like that.
Speaker 2: So we started writing back and forth.
Speaker 5: After three and a half very long years, Volume one
Speaker 5: came out in March twenty seventeen, and we had a
Speaker 5: conversation the day that Stee was about to hit publish
Speaker 5: and we're saying, oh, how many you think to go
Speaker 5: to sell?
Speaker 2: How many do you think?
Speaker 5: And Stee that if it sells, I think it was
Speaker 5: three hundred in my lifetime.
Speaker 2: I'll be happy.
Speaker 5: And I'm the wild optimist here about a thousand, and
Speaker 5: we've just got a big giddy thinking that a possible.
Speaker 5: I think we've reach Steve's targets on day one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, on day one we read sease.
Speaker 5: Target day one. And this is all from self promotion.
Speaker 5: This isn't with any big promotional campaign behinds. This is
Speaker 5: on Twitter, Facebook, that kind of thing. It's not us
Speaker 5: having big billboard adverts anywhere. And we reached I think
Speaker 5: now that this point we're about over the three books.
Speaker 5: We've got about twenty twenty four thousand books sold at
Speaker 5: this point. Yeah, and then blossomed from there. We got
Speaker 5: a brief radio interview on our local radio station, Radio City,
Speaker 5: and then we got contact by who's now a good
Speaker 5: friend of ours, Bob's issue said that you want to
Speaker 5: come on my radio show and talk about the books,
Speaker 5: which we did for an hour. A whole hour was
Speaker 5: devoted to the books on BBC Radio Teas. And then
Speaker 5: he said, you want to come up and do a
Speaker 5: compile of live conversation of a small vegan restaurant, you know,
Speaker 5: And we did that in the back room of that
Speaker 5: as our sixty people attending it. It was packed out.
Speaker 5: And then he said basically he said there's some money
Speaker 5: in this. We could do a live show based on this,
Speaker 5: and that's how we got into doing the live shows. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's gone on from.
Speaker 1: There, the electronic music record label Castles in Space. There's
Speaker 1: been two music albums inspired by Scotred for Life and
Speaker 1: the TV shows we grew up with. We've handed it
Speaker 1: interest from two TV production companies to turn it into
Speaker 1: a documentary series. It's bizarrely Yeah, that's the little show
Speaker 1: that we did with Bob. He said, it proves there's
Speaker 1: an audience. He said, we can take this on the road.
Speaker 1: If we can do a little vegan restaurant in Teesside,
Speaker 1: we could do Manchester, we can do Birmingham. And we
Speaker 1: love doing shows. We love them. They're just meeting the
Speaker 1: people who read the books is just lovely.
Speaker 4: When you put out the first volume, did you call
Speaker 4: it volume one? Did you know that there was going
Speaker 4: to be more already?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was scard Blake Volume one, the nineteen seventies
Speaker 1: because originally it seems insane now, but we were going
Speaker 1: to do everything in one book, which is just ridiculous.
Speaker 1: So we knew originally we were going to do two.
Speaker 1: Volume one the seventies Volume two the nineteen eighties, but
Speaker 1: we realized how much television there was to talk about
Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighties, so on we had to with
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties into two books. So it just became
Speaker 1: a trilogy because we had to make it a trilogy.
Speaker 4: Like you said, these books are seven hundred pages for
Speaker 4: the first one. It's massive. These are massive books.
Speaker 5: We have volumes one and three about seven and forty
Speaker 5: pages each, which is the action you can do on
Speaker 5: our pubishing platform. Therefore forty with that absolute maximum, Volume
Speaker 5: two I think is five hundred fifty something like that
Speaker 5: somewhere around the flave on the bark, so that's two
Speaker 5: thousand pages worth of material there. I think it's about
Speaker 5: a third of a million words. This because it's quite
Speaker 5: a low type as well, so that there's a lot
Speaker 5: in there.
Speaker 4: So when there's value four coming out.
Speaker 1: This is the thing we get asked more than anything,
Speaker 1: is when are you doing the nineteen nineties book? And
Speaker 1: the answer is never, And the reason for that is
Speaker 1: we made they believe the seventies and eighties are unique decades.
Speaker 1: The nineties to us personally, the nineties was one long
Speaker 1: ten year party. It was the only decade decade I've
Speaker 1: lived through. There was good times. And our scuard Fly
Speaker 1: era specifically begins with a TV show called The Owl
Speaker 1: Service in nineteen sixty nine and ends with ghost Watch
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety two, and we believe after that, see
Speaker 1: the edges are standed off and the safety wheels go
Speaker 1: back on. We just don't think the nineties isn't this
Speaker 1: card flight decade at all. It's a specific era. But
Speaker 1: we do have loads of plans future projects. Next year,
Speaker 1: we're going to do two short story horror anthologies inspired
Speaker 1: by the old lurid All horror books that we grew
Speaker 1: up with. And in twenty twenty six we're going to
Speaker 1: do a Rito Hardback annual, the kind of things that
Speaker 1: kids in the seventies eighties they still do, the wake
Speaker 1: up on Christmas Day and unwrap your you kind of
Speaker 1: be no annual or your two thousand and eighty annual.
Speaker 1: So there'll be full of comic strips and stories and
Speaker 1: puzzles and things related to what we talk about.
Speaker 4: Were there shows and movies and things that you guys
Speaker 4: just weren't aware of when he went into this and
Speaker 4: that you got turned into absolutely In fact.
Speaker 5: Even now we still get messages on Facebook on x
Speaker 5: Twitter as was oh have you seen this, and we go.
Speaker 1: Now that's amazing.
Speaker 2: That would have definitely gone in, would have known about it.
Speaker 5: So that it's just endless to go back to us.
Speaker 5: THEA said about the nineties book. The reason I think,
Speaker 5: as well, we're not going to do a nineties book
Speaker 5: is because the seventies and eighties books are about us
Speaker 5: growing up. So what you've got is the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 5: It's this little kids sitting here from a teley watching
Speaker 5: scary things of the telly. Our fears are ghosts and
Speaker 5: monsters that you see all the TV. And then in
Speaker 5: the eighties were teenagers going out into the world getting
Speaker 5: jobs for.
Speaker 2: The first time.
Speaker 5: So our fears are more about unemployment or AIDS or
Speaker 5: and I particularly talk about in the second book living
Speaker 5: quite near to Birknhead, place called birk Andhead. Birkenhead used
Speaker 5: to be a very rich town because of shipbuilding, and
Speaker 5: then it's on the wrong side of the country rules
Speaker 5: like the history of the ship building has gone away,
Speaker 5: so it's very poor out. I talk about visiting the
Speaker 5: local I'm trying to use.
Speaker 2: The Bacon word garbage dump.
Speaker 5: Where you'd see people unemployed, people waiting to put through
Speaker 5: the bellache and I find something to they can sell
Speaker 5: or use. So it was a very deprived time. But
Speaker 5: our fears are real. They're not the monsters and ghost
Speaker 5: any well. The real things was getting off.
Speaker 1: Nutrier wore a third of volume three devoted to nuclear war, because,
Speaker 1: as Dave said, things got real for us. And I
Speaker 1: remember the period between nineteen eighty three and nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 1: I don't exaggerate. Every single day I would think, is
Speaker 1: this the day they pressed the button? And yeah, we
Speaker 1: were still going to see Ghostbusters and Gremlins and listening
Speaker 1: to Juran, But the idea that we might die any
Speaker 1: day randomly was always in the back of our head.
Speaker 1: I think days, right, It's who we were, It's what
Speaker 1: those decades were. In the nineties, and obviously every decade
Speaker 1: as it's bad moments. But all I can remember is
Speaker 1: going out clubbing. Everyone was drunk, everyone was on ecstasy,
Speaker 1: was a party, and I think part of that was
Speaker 1: a reaction to the idea that we survived the eighties,
Speaker 1: we got through it. Let's just have some good times.
Speaker 1: The reason these books are called Scarred for Life is
Speaker 1: because people our age always say only God, you remember
Speaker 1: that scene from that TV Do you remember the window
Speaker 1: scene from Salem's Lot Starred Me for Life? Do you
Speaker 1: remember whatever scenes from a film it's garn me for life.
Speaker 1: There's not much from the nineties that I can say, Oh,
Speaker 1: it's got me for life. People always say when me,
Speaker 1: and they've post things on social media loads of the
Speaker 1: reactions to always I can't believe we survived the seventies
Speaker 1: or eighties. Both people will only ever say that about
Speaker 1: the nineties in relation to the amounts of drinking jokes.
Speaker 1: It's a different.
Speaker 4: It is amazing speaking of nuclear war. Of course, you've
Speaker 4: got movies like The Day After in Threads where they're
Speaker 4: just directly looking at this, but then it seeps into everything.
Speaker 4: It seeps into the TV shows that you're watching, or
Speaker 4: even the comedy film you look at like real Genius
Speaker 4: or spies like Gus when they were talking about missile
Speaker 4: defense systems and deterrence for nuclear missiles coming in. It's
Speaker 4: just amazing how even our comedies were scarred or with
Speaker 4: the politics of the time.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, there was a comedy series in Britain called Three
Speaker 5: of a Kai, which had three comedians acting out very sketches,
Speaker 5: and one of the sketches is about the four minute warning,
Speaker 5: the nuclear alert warning going off, and two of the
Speaker 5: characters are going to have sex because I think they
Speaker 5: can think to do for the four minutes they've got left.
Speaker 5: That still always says in the live shows, anybody can
Speaker 5: get and maintain an erection in the last four minutes
Speaker 5: of your life when you're about to get new it's
Speaker 5: a better man than me, and me as well. But yeah,
Speaker 5: it was everywhere. It was in comedy and in particular
Speaker 5: I mentioned this to you before the start of the recording.
Speaker 2: It was in music.
Speaker 5: We do a top ten nuclear pop songs in our
Speaker 5: live shows, and it was a big test to cut
Speaker 5: it down to ten nuclear war songs.
Speaker 2: There's a lot.
Speaker 5: A number one obviously is the classic Frank he goes
Speaker 5: to Hollywood two Tribes, so there's a lot in that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was in comic We had nuclear war in comics
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight. Judge Dread the flagshied character. There's
Speaker 1: a story from nineteen eighty two called the Apocalypse Tour
Speaker 1: where Mega City Jude dread City goes to war with
Speaker 1: the sobs and they obliterate half the city and kill
Speaker 1: four hundred million people, and the after effects of that
Speaker 1: story is still being felt today. And I'm a big
Speaker 1: computer game of video gamer and board gamer. Nuclear War
Speaker 1: was in board games and video games, and there's a
Speaker 1: game called Supremacy, a board game from the eighties, which
Speaker 1: is quite risk. It's all the players trying to take
Speaker 1: over the world, but if it gets to death con one,
Speaker 1: you can start flinging nukes that you know the players.
Speaker 1: So it came with little black plastic mushroom clouds that
Speaker 1: you put on the board so no one could joint
Speaker 1: to those territories. So, yeah, there's a strange time.
Speaker 4: That's amazing. Wow, what were some of the things that
Speaker 4: you discovered while you were doing your research that you
Speaker 4: hadn't been aware of before, because of course you're coming
Speaker 4: from a very personal place as far as these things
Speaker 4: scarred me. But as you're looking at the other material
Speaker 4: that you weren't aware of, what we were just like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, I can't believe this exists.
Speaker 1: There's a TV show called Shadows of Fear from the
Speaker 1: early seventies. It's a psychological thriller anthology with an incredibly
Speaker 1: nasty streak, and it just fell down the back of
Speaker 1: the sofa of television history, and I remember watching it.
Speaker 1: I found out about it, read about it, thought this
Speaker 1: sounded like God's Wife material. It's one of the best
Speaker 1: things I've ever seen in my life. It's unrelentingly nasty,
Speaker 1: and it was one of the things that made me
Speaker 1: think this era was just full of genuinely full of
Speaker 1: some of the best television ever made. But I think
Speaker 1: we churned it out and we became used to it.
Speaker 1: I know people have watched Shadow for Shadows of Fear
Speaker 1: for the first time. We were Twitter followers, Facebook followers,
Speaker 1: and he always come back and goes it was incredible.
Speaker 1: I've never even heard of it.
Speaker 2: I've never seen.
Speaker 1: Anything written about it, but there was shadow of things
Speaker 1: like that were amazing, but just became forgotten.
Speaker 5: I've course I've just remembered too, in particular one called
Speaker 5: scarf Jack that I sent it to you.
Speaker 2: I sent the link to you to know something the
Speaker 2: look at this.
Speaker 1: Do you remember my reaction? The thing it was, there's
Speaker 1: about twenty five shocked baship, which we have.
Speaker 5: This concept in our books as a thing called the
Speaker 5: four forty five club, and what it is is basically
Speaker 5: rich Telly when you got home from school. In the
Speaker 5: acting about four ish, four fifteen, four twenty would be
Speaker 5: something very gently it'll be a puppet show on and
Speaker 5: something like that. Four forty five The gloves Rough the
Speaker 5: programs they showed at four forty five were unrelentfully grim
Speaker 5: and scary and they're horrible. One in particular, Thestashi's till
Speaker 5: talk about very briefly. There's one called calf Jack, set
Speaker 5: during the Irish Rebellion of seventeen ninety two, I think,
Speaker 5: and Irish villagers being essentially progress are all shot by
Speaker 5: British soldier English soldiers. This, by the way, it's on
Speaker 5: TV at the same time as the Northern Ireland troubles
Speaker 5: are going under, the ira abobbing campaigns, hungry strikes were
Speaker 5: going on and the else. It was a very unfatching
Speaker 5: depiction of British basically English forces in Ireland. And the
Speaker 5: reason he's called scarf Jack is that in the first
Speaker 5: episode he is hanged. Two people game give him news
Speaker 5: around his neck, string them from a tree and then
Speaker 5: they talk about their future plans. While in the foreground,
Speaker 5: the two legs of the victim are swinging slowly backwards
Speaker 5: and forwards across the screen. That was a kid's program
Speaker 5: at four forty five in the afternoon.
Speaker 1: Dave, Dave, do you remember you sent me screen grabs
Speaker 1: of the opening thirty seconds.
Speaker 2: With all the children with the blood creer like they've
Speaker 2: been shot dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but literally like children lying in a river with
Speaker 1: blood pouring from the nose, blood pouring from the ears
Speaker 1: because they've been shot dead. And it's just the opening
Speaker 1: of a kid show.
Speaker 5: The other one, I think we talked about absolute classic.
Speaker 5: If anybody wants to watch, it's called one called Noah's Castle.
Speaker 5: Noah's Castle is again. This is sudden TV problems in
Speaker 5: that era which TV had various regions and the regions
Speaker 5: played their own program that the phone network, and this
Speaker 5: was Southern TV. And it's about a near future Britain
Speaker 5: in which something has happened has caused hyperinflation, invasions out
Speaker 5: of control, and people are starving to death, bodies in
Speaker 5: the streets starves to death, and it is heavily implied
Speaker 5: that schoolgirls are prostituting themselves for food. Again, this is
Speaker 5: a kid's show at four in the afternoon. It's about
Speaker 5: a man who holds food which is has been made
Speaker 5: a crime. He's holding food and he's prepared to protect
Speaker 5: it with a gun. There's one point son finds out
Speaker 5: he's holding food and I look like he's gonna shoot when.
Speaker 2: You believe he's gonna shoot him, it's a protect his secret.
Speaker 5: And also the father invites into the home is former
Speaker 5: boss who is basically to keep his secrets. He's prepared
Speaker 5: to pimp out his own seinage daughter and possibly even
Speaker 5: his younger one was from tech. If this absolutely ever
Speaker 5: left in my math, but again the kids four forty
Speaker 5: five in the afternoon, these are things I discovered when
Speaker 5: raving the first.
Speaker 4: I found it very interesting reading your book because of
Speaker 4: course you're coming from a British perspective. I'm here with
Speaker 4: my American perspective. But our countries were so tied together,
Speaker 4: especially between Maggie and Ronald. And you'd see even going
Speaker 4: back to what was that TV show that you guys
Speaker 4: had that inspired the Genesis video with all the puppets
Speaker 4: splitting image, spit spitting image, right, splitting image.
Speaker 2: They were two of the main characters.
Speaker 1: A lot of times it was a special relationship, was
Speaker 1: a big thit. We had a lot of American imports
Speaker 1: in the seventies, but the nineteen eighties was when the
Speaker 1: floodgates opened and we were constantly getting these what felt
Speaker 1: like to us impossibly glossy, almost like phil Nic American shows,
Speaker 1: who get the A Team and Night Rider and a
Speaker 1: she wrote and everything, absolutely everything. That's why in volume
Speaker 1: one there's very little American stuff in the first book.
Speaker 1: But in the second book that we did you'll see,
Speaker 1: like we do bits about the animations.
Speaker 4: That came over.
Speaker 1: There was real Ghostbusters and Rambo and RoboCop cartoons, and
Speaker 1: V was a huge thing. V shut the country down
Speaker 1: over the summer and the summer of nineteen eighty four
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Olympics, BBC one and BBC two showed
Speaker 1: the Olympics, and ITV, the commercial channel, bought V and
Speaker 1: V the Final Battle and no one was watching the
Speaker 1: Olympic because the whole country was watching the reptile in
Speaker 1: vapers take over America. But this is the thing I think.
Speaker 1: There was always the glamour and the fascination of it.
Speaker 1: It was the world was a much bigger place back then,
Speaker 1: before the Internet, so we would have Dave, do you
Speaker 1: remember Kelly Moltith, Yes, I did remember Kelly. Yeah, American
Speaker 1: comedian who had his own show and best clears stick
Speaker 1: was I'm an American that would seemed impossibly glamorous to us.
Speaker 1: So with the American eye view of Britain, and we'd
Speaker 1: have American comedians as show hosts treated like royalty. I
Speaker 1: remember reading all my Marvel comics and DC comics and
Speaker 1: I would learn who Wayne Newton was through all the
Speaker 1: kind of the references and the comics, and I knew
Speaker 1: what hostless twinkies were. So America was this really glamorous
Speaker 1: country to us?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: That wasn't Britain, was it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think one thing our books are it's a kick
Speaker 5: against that though, because when you say the eighties, people
Speaker 5: do think of Neon bright colors and they think of
Speaker 5: Magnum growing up in his for our world it is
Speaker 5: well that was we were gray, we were grim, and
Speaker 5: we've always did that great grim. I think a Brittish
Speaker 5: sensibility to be a little bit more grim, but not
Speaker 5: so optimistic, as it's proved by many of our TV shows.
Speaker 2: But you've got a lot of that stuff.
Speaker 5: I still don't know what about stuff is so mistick.
Speaker 2: I'm by America. Do apologize, but.
Speaker 5: But we keep Oh if you did not mention Land
Speaker 5: the Lost, We're like, no, we never got it, we
Speaker 5: never saw it. We haven't seen it, still don't.
Speaker 1: Really it's oh, yeah, no we didn't. We didn't know
Speaker 1: what Land of the Loss was. No, it was just
Speaker 1: the thing I'm fascinated by. If I can ask you
Speaker 1: a question it as an American, what do you make
Speaker 1: of our books?
Speaker 4: I was telling Dave, I'm a little bit of an
Speaker 4: Anglo file so some of this stuff is familiar to me,
Speaker 4: some of the TV shows, some of the references, but
Speaker 4: not all of it. So it was very interesting to
Speaker 4: practice open and look at another culture that is so
Speaker 4: similar but yet so removed at the same time, and
Speaker 4: just to see, oh, what are these shows that they're watching.
Speaker 4: Some of those shows would slide into our lives. I
Speaker 4: remember writish show I can't remember the name of it,
Speaker 4: that was on Nickelodeon when I was a kid, and
Speaker 4: I was just like, this is terrifying. And of course
Speaker 4: whether they call those the touch moments from the doctor
Speaker 4: who behind the Sofa, Yes, we had. I especially remember
Speaker 4: Tom Baker, of course, and some of those episodes were terrifying.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen Blake seven, Mike, we won't spoil
Speaker 1: the ending. It's one of the most famous endings in
Speaker 1: TV history. I would say it's up there with the Prisoner.
Speaker 1: It's on a level with the prisoner. It's still discussed
Speaker 1: to this day of Void. All spoilers because I don't
Speaker 1: want to spoil anything. But basically the premises it's a
Speaker 1: gango reason fighters stroke terrorists. They make no bones about
Speaker 1: the fact that these people are terrorists as well, striking
Speaker 1: out against an evil glactic federation in the far future
Speaker 1: and are led by a guy called Blake who is
Speaker 1: this idealistic rebel, but the rest of his group are criminals,
Speaker 1: the space pirates, hackers, the people who have committed crimes.
Speaker 1: They meet in a prison. But what a lot of
Speaker 1: people forget is do you know what Dave you tell
Speaker 1: us better than me.
Speaker 5: Basically, the Federation, which is the ruling government of the space,
Speaker 5: basically decide to discredit Blake by having him accused of
Speaker 5: child more station imagine that in a show. Now you
Speaker 5: have your hero and he's accused of being a child
Speaker 5: elect For the first episode, right.
Speaker 1: The Church episode, I transmitted that eight pm.
Speaker 5: Yeah, would not get on, could not get past the
Speaker 5: script The worst part about it is that to back
Speaker 5: up this accusation of child more station and they essentially
Speaker 5: brainwash children into believing it really happened. And those children
Speaker 5: then have the rest of their lives the memories of
Speaker 5: being molested in the head to discredit this political figure.
Speaker 5: And he's found guilty of this crime and he's shipped off,
Speaker 5: and that no point later on is he acquitted of it.
Speaker 5: So many of the people he deals with, for all
Speaker 5: they know he's a child molester and he's their main
Speaker 5: hear of the show. That's probably a uniquely British angle
Speaker 5: on something. I always say that I don't think that
Speaker 5: American TV would go with that at all.
Speaker 1: There's no sense of demographics of focused groups back then,
Speaker 1: was there. It was just make your show. Here's a
Speaker 1: load of money, make your program and will show it.
Speaker 5: It was an era of creative freedom don't entirely think
Speaker 5: exists anymore in Britain.
Speaker 2: Nowadays. They have pitch meetings.
Speaker 5: And they go in and say, make us a show
Speaker 5: like I don't know, the Spectamorus, make us a ship
Speaker 5: like that, or make it like the Antique road Show
Speaker 5: with this happening up. But in those dates, people just
Speaker 5: made these wildly iconic quirky shown she couldn't put into
Speaker 5: any category really and just showed them that was interesting.
Speaker 5: One because they were doing a show back in the
Speaker 5: newspaper Offits and for some reason or the second series
Speaker 5: of Fearing Figures, whatever, we got this load of money.
Speaker 2: What should we do with it?
Speaker 5: They gave it to a guy and said, go make
Speaker 5: us a show, and he ran and made this really
Speaker 5: scary paranormal show called the Amga Factor. Were basically to
Speaker 5: investing his invest paranormal phenomenon and it's strong stuff.
Speaker 1: Because a storm didn't it. Mary white House went mental
Speaker 1: over one of the episodes. One of the episodes showed
Speaker 1: someone suddenly burst into fire and went to deaths. But
Speaker 1: it was the idea that the BBC suddenly had all
Speaker 1: this money and just thought, oh shut that, let's just
Speaker 1: make this incredibly scary, bizarre show and we'll just transmit it.
Speaker 1: But there's no free airings, there's no notes, there's no
Speaker 1: anything us through things on the air. It was a
Speaker 1: wild West, it really was.
Speaker 5: In case anybody listening doesn't there, Mary White's House was
Speaker 5: a morals on paying it. She started off in the
Speaker 5: sisties writing articles on how to bring up your son
Speaker 5: so who doesn't turn up gay? So she was a
Speaker 5: Christian world campaign and she had to think of the
Speaker 5: national viewers in this association and any probe would all
Speaker 5: that offended her personality. She would then campaign strongly against.
Speaker 5: Another example would be The Singing Detective, which is at
Speaker 5: Tennis Potter production, first episode of the a sex scene
Speaker 5: and I believe she counted the number of pelvic thrusts
Speaker 5: in the scene to complain about this. She was outraged.
Speaker 5: In fact, in many ways, the Singing Detective led to
Speaker 5: her dow for as a solicitive voice in moral campaign
Speaker 5: because she said the writer Dennis she said that scene
Speaker 5: was autobiographical and he had watched his mother having sex
Speaker 5: with a guy in the woods. She was then sued
Speaker 5: by Poster's mother and she went on to defend herself
Speaker 5: by saying that she was on medication and made her
Speaker 5: say stuff that she didn't belie even and it's just
Speaker 5: it was, but anyway, it was the also fared down
Speaker 5: for I think as a moral campaigner.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm mostly familiar with her from the whole video
Speaker 4: Nasties campaign.
Speaker 1: That was a big one for me. I was always
Speaker 1: been a huge horror fan. But the video nasty era
Speaker 1: in the eighties. I still look back with us at
Speaker 1: that era. But she was in the papers every three
Speaker 1: seconds trying to get all these films banned, and normal
Speaker 1: films got scooped up in that hysteria. The war film
Speaker 1: The Big Red One, purely because of the type, there
Speaker 1: was a not scene. But in Britain, the video nasty era,
Speaker 1: it became this thing amongst teenagers and people in the
Speaker 1: twenties where it became a ready made checklist of films
Speaker 1: to tick off. It didn't matter where they were rubbish,
Speaker 1: and I've got to say eighty percent of them were
Speaker 1: just awful films. It didn't matter because I could ring
Speaker 1: me mate and say I've just watched the Bernie, I've
Speaker 1: got it uncopied, I want to come round and watch it. It
Speaker 1: was a succession of holy grails that you just had
Speaker 1: to watch to find out that Texas changeaw Massacre, the Exorcist,
Speaker 1: Clockwork Orange were all freely available in America. Blew my
Speaker 1: mind as a teenager because you had to accumulate a
Speaker 1: network of contacts to see these things. In the eighties,
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: Quite the time.
Speaker 5: My favorite thing about that story say, is when you
Speaker 5: talk about the grading system for the videos, Oh, this was.
Speaker 1: Absolutely real and it wasn't just a Liverpool thing. This
Speaker 1: was around the country. You develop the grading system, you'd
Speaker 1: say to you one of your friends, I've got Anthropopacus
Speaker 1: the Beast on copy. It would be a ten generation copy.
Speaker 1: The grading system would be crystal or mint, which meant
Speaker 1: it was pretty much a perfect copy. Then what do
Speaker 1: you thought, was it degraded but still would it was
Speaker 1: still a copy? But the most common grade for video
Speaker 1: nasties was it's watchable, which basically means you can just
Speaker 1: about hear things and you can just about make out
Speaker 1: figures through the snowstorm figure of twenty generation. Well, you
Speaker 1: would genuinely go around me mates and say, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I've got kind of ill show of the accession. It's
Speaker 1: watchable and you'd be trying to figure out what's going on.
Speaker 2: But amazing.
Speaker 4: The thing I'm always fascinated by, too is to see
Speaker 4: cultures reflecting one another, like watching The Young Ones with
Speaker 4: the episode I think It's Oil where it suddenly becomes
Speaker 4: Dallas parody and I'm just like, this is great to
Speaker 4: see how Dallas is being reinterpreted back to us as
Speaker 4: far as the perception of these characters, and just to see,
Speaker 4: of course the four lads just completely change their characters
Speaker 4: in that skit, that whole part of that episode. I
Speaker 4: love that kind of stuff and I did see some
Speaker 4: of that in the book as well as far as Oh,
Speaker 4: this probably came from this American thing being reflected back
Speaker 4: in British culture, and I just thought that was fascinating
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 5: To see American takes on Britain. Because if you'll have
Speaker 5: the Cologne where Colombo goes Britten, and you can guarantee
Speaker 5: there'll be a guy in a bursky in half one
Speaker 5: of the height guards walking past. In the background, there'll
Speaker 5: be a red bus to be a sound box, all
Speaker 5: these icons that aren't entirely accurate depiction in our country,
Speaker 5: the Dick van Dag's accent, for example.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of that in the comments that
Speaker 1: I was reading where I don't know Spider Man would
Speaker 1: come to one of my favorite two parts Spider Man
Speaker 1: stories and a spectacular Spider Man comic in the very
Speaker 1: late eighties, I believe it was a very early nineties.
Speaker 1: He comes to Liverpool for two issues except this is
Speaker 1: before the Internet. Obviously no one had provided the artist
Speaker 1: or writer with residence. So we've got a huge golden
Speaker 1: gate bridge banning Liverpool and burking ahead. We've got missed
Speaker 1: everywhere and gas lamps and all the streets are cobbled.
Speaker 1: It's basically Liverpool is like eighteen eighty nine London, and
Speaker 1: I adore it because we was just a guilty I
Speaker 1: think we were just as guilty as stuff like this,
Speaker 1: because while as they said, we were in the middle
Speaker 1: of this huge unemployment crisis minus strikes and you name
Speaker 1: it to us America, we were completely aware that Dallas
Speaker 1: and Dynasty was impossibly glamorous. It was almost a fantasy land.
Speaker 1: But even just normal American sit soap operas was to
Speaker 1: put glamorous to us. We had Coronation Street and eas Standards,
Speaker 1: which is this our bleak everyday life thing, and even
Speaker 1: American soap operas like fulcon Crest and well the other
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is everyone's won the lottery.
Speaker 4: Tell me a little bit more about your live shows.
Speaker 4: What do you guys do You talked about the Top
Speaker 4: of the Pops with the nuclear war songs. What else
Speaker 4: do you guys do for however long you're on stage,
Speaker 4: we're going to stay for about I said nineteen minutes.
Speaker 4: I think plus a half. In our Q and A.
Speaker 5: At the end, we just we talk about all sorts
Speaker 5: of stuff.
Speaker 2: I talk about a.
Speaker 5: Thing called Alternatives three, which is nineteen seventy seven April
Speaker 5: Fool's joke.
Speaker 4: Oh, you guys were famous for your April Fool's joke.
Speaker 4: I've seen some of those.
Speaker 5: Yes, in the fifties they did one about spaghetti trees
Speaker 5: in Switzerland. But as in nineteen seventy seven and this
Speaker 5: Angler TV, it was made at a fake documentary called
Speaker 5: Alternatives three about how the Great and the Good were
Speaker 5: being what you thought was the brain Dray was actually
Speaker 5: the Great and the Good being taken off planet to
Speaker 5: a space station on the foreside of the room before
Speaker 5: being taken to Mars because the auth was dying and
Speaker 5: if you were watching the program, you'd been left behind
Speaker 5: and you were doomed. April Fols joke, nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 5: The only problem was it didn't get shown on April first.
Speaker 5: There was a backlog of programming. It was a strike
Speaker 5: a show on June twentieth, sir. Everybody believed this was
Speaker 5: true Cook.
Speaker 2: Whereas Whistle Come would you talk about don't we?
Speaker 1: It's basically me, Dave and Bob Fisher and the host.
Speaker 1: He writes for magazines like fourteen Times Electronic Sound, Doctor
Speaker 1: Who magazine in Britain. So the three of us, we've
Speaker 1: got a PowerPoint slideshow. In part one, we talk about
Speaker 1: the seventies when we were all little kids. We to
Speaker 1: have a little memory of the first thing that really
Speaker 1: scared us about Doctor Who. We talk about Walsal Gummich.
Speaker 1: We talk about the idea that a lot of horror
Speaker 1: back then was unintentional. There's Worzel Gummich whimsical children's show
Speaker 1: in Britain, and a character called Nosey Bond, and we
Speaker 1: were both designed as July magical characters. They're both terrified,
Speaker 1: absolutely terrifying. Then we talk about the paranormal. There was
Speaker 1: a big paranormal boom in the seventies, public information films
Speaker 1: obviously these many horror films that would just pop up
Speaker 1: during advert breaks, and we have a little fifteen minute break,
Speaker 1: and then we talk about the nineteen eighties and when
Speaker 1: stuff got real. We've got like the age, hysteria and unemployment.
Speaker 1: We talk about Noah's Castle, a lot about threads nuclear war,
Speaker 1: and that's when we do a there's a very famous
Speaker 1: British show called Top of the Pops flag Ship music show,
Speaker 1: so we do a Top of the Pops countdown of
Speaker 1: the top ten nuclear war pop songs, plat around that
Speaker 1: with they we end up with ghost Watch.
Speaker 2: I think it ends. But we talk about all that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, don't we do. There's a lot more
Speaker 2: in there.
Speaker 5: We talk about an awful martin a quite short periods
Speaker 5: are French Chu Christ Dummies, there's French must dummies. Still
Speaker 5: got a rack in a story be from watching After
Speaker 5: Start the Spiders.
Speaker 2: Lots of stuff. Yeah, we talked about a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: It's a good time. It's very lighter to comedy show,
Speaker 1: but very informative. We do try and get loads of
Speaker 1: faction information in there, even when it's bleak stuff we're
Speaker 1: talking about. We do keep things late.
Speaker 2: Yeah, laughs.
Speaker 5: So I was I was saying one little bit and
Speaker 5: I do. At the end of the Top of the
Speaker 5: Pops thing is I talk briefly about Leins nine and
Speaker 5: red balloons. I actually contacted Norad to ask them whether
Speaker 5: balloons in the air would actually trigger and the American
Speaker 5: military response, thinking they're not going to get back to
Speaker 5: me and so, and strange enough they did, and they
Speaker 5: sent me a lovely email from Ken or somebody saying, no,
Speaker 5: we wouldn't actually go to nuclear war over.
Speaker 2: Read balloons, which is good to know, which is good.
Speaker 2: It was reassuring.
Speaker 4: You talked about how you do a Q and A afterwards.
Speaker 4: Do you notice the same themes or TV shows, movies,
Speaker 4: anything like that constantly coming up?
Speaker 1: Shait thinks it always be threads. There's a specific one.
Speaker 1: There was a bit of a holy grail was discovered
Speaker 1: last month. We always get at least one person in
Speaker 1: the Q and as mentions a thing called the Hexham Heads.
Speaker 1: There was a nineteen seventies early eighties current affairs kind
Speaker 1: of lighthearted magazine show called Nationwide. It was just after
Speaker 1: children's television and just before the Big Adult Chosen the Evening.
Speaker 1: Nationwide had a kind of ten minute segment in nineteen
Speaker 1: seven about basically these two kids in a little town
Speaker 1: called Hexham dug up these two stone heads and took
Speaker 1: them into the house, at which pointed there was like
Speaker 1: poltigeist activity with the next door neighbors in their house
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff happening. The next door neighbors said
Speaker 1: they were walking in the middle of the night. There
Speaker 1: was a half man, half sheep creature walked into the bedroom.
Speaker 1: There was a woman called Dr Anne Russ. She was
Speaker 1: an expert in stoneheads, ancient stoneheads. She took these heads
Speaker 1: to analyze them, took them back to her house. She
Speaker 1: was walking in the middle of the night by a werewolf.
Speaker 1: She said it was an actual werewolf on its hind legs.
Speaker 1: So nationwide reported on this, and this was at six
Speaker 1: pm in the evening, and it didn't spare anything. There's
Speaker 1: a shot of a severed head, it's fake on a
Speaker 1: tree branch. You've got a short clip of Oliver Reed
Speaker 1: from Casel the werewolf suddenly like a jump skirt and
Speaker 1: telling this terrifying story as if this is real. This
Speaker 1: happened where wolves exist, and it terrified everyone who watched it.
Speaker 1: But the footage was lost for decades and it was
Speaker 1: unheerthed by the BBC archive last month. So it became
Speaker 1: a bit of a news story and it did not disappoint.
Speaker 1: But this is the thing everyone in the Q and
Speaker 1: A section, I would say it's ten percent the shame
Speaker 1: themes come up again and again and the other eighty
Speaker 1: percent of people completely surprising us. Was really personal, though
Speaker 1: some of it doesn't make sense at all, because when
Speaker 1: you're a kid, I'm scared. My first memory had been
Speaker 1: scared by anything on television. It's being I think I
Speaker 1: was three or four and scared of something on Eschame Street.
Speaker 1: It was numbers of black background and numbers shooting towards
Speaker 1: the screen, and I was convincedly, we're going to smash
Speaker 1: out at the screen and come into the TV the
Speaker 1: living room.
Speaker 5: My childhood fear was a TV show called Skippy the
Speaker 5: Bush Kangaroo. I don't know that everybody to marka we
Speaker 5: have no idea of doing about. But it is actually
Speaker 5: a bit like Champion of the Wonderhorse, but it's a
Speaker 5: to kangaroo, right to go?
Speaker 2: What's that gif? The boys out of the world, that kind.
Speaker 5: Of thing, right. I was absolutely terrified of this thing.
Speaker 5: I used to cry every time he came. At the
Speaker 5: very start off the titles as a whistle, and every
Speaker 5: time that whistle came, I started crying. I don't know
Speaker 5: why my mom put it on week after week. I'll
Speaker 5: be obvious with you I do not know why they
Speaker 5: kept being put out there.
Speaker 2: I was true.
Speaker 5: Besides, I actually wrote a peace of bat for the
Speaker 5: first one, and they didn't.
Speaker 2: Make it in the end because we didn't have enough roote.
Speaker 5: I discovered that when you see Skippy's hands doing anything,
Speaker 5: what that actually is. They had a bit of a kangaroo,
Speaker 5: a goat of kangaroos, and have a lot of kangaroos,
Speaker 5: and they had a caul and rather than have a
Speaker 5: big part of dead kangaroos, they thought, Joe, what well,
Speaker 5: we're used as watch as we can, and they took
Speaker 5: the arms and made them into novelty backscratches. They touted
Speaker 5: the cards off the dead kangaroos and made them into
Speaker 5: novesty backscratches. Every time you see your towns, that actually
Speaker 5: Skippy's cousin if there murdered time turned into a novelty backscratcher.
Speaker 1: When we love the show, we'll never get bored during
Speaker 1: the shows. But we're doing this mostly the same thing
Speaker 1: every time. But we loved the Q and A section.
Speaker 1: It always starts off quiet because people are shy and
Speaker 1: don't want to put the handle. But by the end
Speaker 1: of it, after about twenty twenty five minutes, it's turned
Speaker 1: into this mass group discussion and then we've all got
Speaker 1: to go home. We've got an idea and we were
Speaker 1: thinking about doing a one off show with a view
Speaker 1: to see how well it does. Just a Q and
Speaker 1: a just a group discussion. So we just have this
Speaker 1: informal no plan, no script. We're calling call it the
Speaker 1: Scardfully Support Group. Anyone who was damaged by the city,
Speaker 1: who came and get your trauma out and we'll just
Speaker 1: have a big group discussion and have a good old time.
Speaker 4: They get the three books, you've got, the live show
Speaker 4: that you do, and now tell me about the podcast.
Speaker 5: We were contacted again. This is opportunity falling into our labs. Really,
Speaker 5: we're contacted by a DJ from Absolute Radio which is
Speaker 5: in London. He does a drive stash, a guy called
Speaker 5: Andy Bush, and he says, do you want to do
Speaker 5: a podcast? There's these great books we love to podcast.
Speaker 5: So we said, yeah, I go on, then why not.
Speaker 5: We put a call out for guests and I think
Speaker 5: it's fair to safety. We've been amazed at the number
Speaker 5: of people said yeah, well do it.
Speaker 1: Most of it absolutely gobsmacked. This is the thing we've
Speaker 1: got reeverals, celebrity followers on social media, and this is
Speaker 1: the thing. We've just contacted them through social media and said,
Speaker 1: would you like to do this? Do you know inside
Speaker 1: Number nine and legal gentleman Mike, Yeah, we're Rishier Smith,
Speaker 1: Jeremy Dyson, people like that would just said absolutely love
Speaker 1: the books. We've discovered how many celebrity kind of fans
Speaker 1: of the books through contacting them. So we've been blown
Speaker 1: away by the reaction. It's been amazing. But the the
Speaker 1: idea is we get famous people on it's talk about
Speaker 1: their rear, their influences, the things they love. They listed
Speaker 1: the three things that's guarded them for life as a kid,
Speaker 1: so we get to find that out as well. So
Speaker 1: we've got people who aren't necessarily famous, but they created
Speaker 1: this stuff, so the listeners will know the stuff that
Speaker 1: they created. Then you've got people like, like I said,
Speaker 1: Rucey Sheersmith, a lot of buy famous British celebrities who
Speaker 1: I didn't know. Loads of them would go oh, I'm
Speaker 1: massively into video nasties and I'm like, really, so they
Speaker 1: have this kind of secret love of horror. But I
Speaker 1: think the nice thing Davis We've discovered out with Dave.
Speaker 1: All these people are generally called on to chad shows
Speaker 1: or podcasts to talk about this thing that they're famous for.
Speaker 1: We certainly talk about that, but we want you to
Speaker 1: talk about your love of horror. We want you to
Speaker 1: talk about your love a video that it's the things
Speaker 1: they never get a chance to talk about, and you
Speaker 1: can see the passion come out, which is lovely. So
Speaker 1: we've done two episodes of season two so far and
Speaker 1: they've been amazing.
Speaker 5: One of them is Grady Hendrix because he has on
Speaker 5: his own Twitter anyway, So Grady Hendrix with a horror writer.
Speaker 2: He was brilliant. He was absolutely pliers. Yeah, so.
Speaker 5: That's gonna be a good listen when it comes out
Speaker 5: early next.
Speaker 1: You think, oh he was at Dela Light. Absolutely based
Speaker 1: on the guests who've already had, we started contacting proper
Speaker 1: a list does and they can only say no, So
Speaker 1: why not?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I mean I contacted Ryan Reynolds with no hope. He's
Speaker 5: don't actually get back to me at all. He's invested
Speaker 5: in Wrexham and I am twenty four percent Welsh, so
Speaker 5: I've got some hopes.
Speaker 4: I don't imagine this is a full time gig or
Speaker 4: is it. Do you guys have day jobs.
Speaker 5: I choose their children for maths because I've got a
Speaker 5: maths degree and that's what I was doing for many years.
Speaker 5: I was a private tutor. I would ideally like to
Speaker 5: this full time, to be honest with you, because it's
Speaker 5: watched for for and about maths.
Speaker 1: What I worked in Forbidden Planet for twenty three years
Speaker 1: until twenty twenty, then kind of worked eighteen months in
Speaker 1: a gaming cafe in town in Liverpool City Center. But
Speaker 1: my kind of day job, I'm an illustrator digital artist.
Speaker 1: I work for a walk gaming company called Crooked Dice.
Speaker 1: It's Warhammer forty thousand little miniatures fighting except it's based
Speaker 1: around on the TV characters from the seventies and eighties.
Speaker 1: So it's an absolute dream job. So you've got kind
Speaker 1: of relator versus night Rider, that kind of thing. I
Speaker 1: do the box art on the character cards and stuff
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 4: Is that why the books look so good? Especially those covers?
Speaker 1: Oh bless you?
Speaker 2: It was? Yeah.
Speaker 1: I designed one and two. I never had the time
Speaker 1: to paint to cover until volume three, but I painted
Speaker 1: the cover to Bollime three and lay them out. It's
Speaker 1: just stuff I enjoy and get paid for.
Speaker 5: They're based on specific things arely those stay. Their first
Speaker 5: covers based on I think it's Countdown Annual, isn't it,
Speaker 5: and the second one's based on Smash It's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was a British comic from the seventies called Countdown.
Speaker 1: It was a very specific design for Want of the
Speaker 1: Annuals Volume two the eighties. It's based on a music
Speaker 1: magazine called Smash Hit, which had very distinctive design. Chanson
Speaker 1: Volume three is based on a British comic called Looking,
Speaker 1: which was based on film and TV stuff from the
Speaker 1: seventies and eighties. So British readers immediately go, ah, I
Speaker 1: know what you've done there any thing Kndaly.
Speaker 4: I recognize Smash Hits. I didn't recognize the other two.
Speaker 4: So what is your guys' link tree? Where can people
Speaker 4: go to find out more information?
Speaker 2: It's just a link tree for Slash Scarf for Life.
Speaker 5: If you want to buy the books, you go to
Speaker 5: Lulu dot com and just type in Scarf Life finds
Speaker 5: once or three and you'll find the.
Speaker 1: Podcast is on a Google scard for Life podcast and
Speaker 1: you'll find it there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the same we wereye on Spotify and Apples
Speaker 5: you will find us.
Speaker 4: Stephen Dave, thank you so much for your time. This
Speaker 4: has been so nice talking with you guys.
Speaker 1: It's been lovely. There's a British comedian called Ken Dodd
Speaker 1: who ran for decades, but he was famous. His live
Speaker 1: shows would run for six al because he loved the
Speaker 1: bolling so much. But I think this is the problem
Speaker 1: me and Dave. If we can talk all day, we
Speaker 1: look we just once you started.
Speaker 5: As absolutely well, le'll just keep going that. We don't stop.
Speaker 5: We can do another ten hours here, keep absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's been lovely.
Speaker 6: Shut shelters to get away.
Speaker 7: The boys are going, tell us general is a party time?
Speaker 7: If it is, can you're gone starting to weed on all.
Speaker 7: Don't think they're weird. I'm tired.
Speaker 1: Don't think who's too smooth?
Speaker 7: It's not less after crying saying it's some.
Speaker 8: Mistake, it's sounderstand it's sound mistake, it's understand. After the laughter,
Speaker 8: let's die away all the bias.
Speaker 7: They're fine, No surface notice, no not much time said.
Speaker 2: You got the bad guys on the road.
Speaker 1: Don't try to say you're sorry. Don't say he tore
Speaker 1: his girl.
Speaker 5: They've gone and grab.
Speaker 1: Don't doty.
Speaker 3: He's not the only one seen.
Speaker 8: Its SERVI stay. It's sunderstand. It's so mistake. It's sunderstand.
Speaker 7: Sell us, commander, what do you think?
Speaker 8: So you know that you love me?
Speaker 6: Know?
Speaker 8: That?
Speaker 7: Is it on them?
Speaker 6: I'll be on the bridge.
Speaker 7: We should all throw in the tower. They'll not fight
Speaker 7: out to school, not in the spinest dollar.
Speaker 2: Something you'll fail.
Speaker 5: Listen the card and flower.
Speaker 6: It's sound Stay.
Speaker 8: It's understand its soundstay, its sounderstand.
Speaker 4: It sounds stay.
Speaker 1: That's all the stuff. It's some story that's a stop.
Speaker 4: It's so the sturn that's all.
Speaker 1: It's so the stay that's on the stop.
Speaker 3: And it's so stay sound it so the space.
Speaker 1: That's a good stuff that's on the story.