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<v Speaker 1>Live from the heart of the nation's capital, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a Jim Acosta Show special report.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Jim Acosta Show.

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<v Speaker 1>It's another day that ends in Y and Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>turning our world upside down. Just 60 days, folks, until

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<v Speaker 1>the midterm elections in this country. Of course, voting is

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<v Speaker 1>going to start much sooner than that. And as we've

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<v Speaker 1>been saying on the show, Donald Trump is already working

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<v Speaker 1>hard to deprive you of your right to.

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<v Speaker 3>Vote in this country.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk about that and more during this hour. Our

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<v Speaker 1>big guest is Hunter Biden. He's back on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>We're very happy to have him with us. And I

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<v Speaker 1>just want to say, Hunter, before we get started, I've

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<v Speaker 1>the stories shaping our world. Hunter Biden, great to see you, man.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, great to see you. I'm a ground news person myself, too.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we've got to get those plugs in. We'll get

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<v Speaker 3>your plugs in, too.

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<v Speaker 4>How you been?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing great. I'm doing great. I'm having fun out there.

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<v Speaker 3>I know you are. You're everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>And, you know, I guess the first thing that always

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<v Speaker 1>comes to mind whenever we get on is just how

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<v Speaker 1>your father's doing. I know his health has been an

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<v Speaker 1>issue as of late. I did see that he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be going to the 9-11 ceremony in New York.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the one that Trump, I guess, is skipping because

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<v Speaker 1>they won't let him speak there and, I guess, ruin

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<v Speaker 1>the festivities. But it's good to see that your dad's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be there for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he is.

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<v Speaker 4>And, you know, he's so tough. It's just like impossible.

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<v Speaker 4>to keep him down. I mean, everyone that loves him

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<v Speaker 4>and keeps telling him, please, like, you know, just can

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<v Speaker 4>we rest for a little bit?

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<v Speaker 2>But, um, so, you know, he's going to have to

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<v Speaker 2>live with this for the rest of his life. It's painful.

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<v Speaker 4>And the, and the, uh, the process is, um, you know, I, I,

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<v Speaker 4>as I always say, it's, it's, uh, something I think

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<v Speaker 4>almost every single person can relate to had, uh, someone

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<v Speaker 4>that they love that has, uh, has cancer or has

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<v Speaker 4>battled with cancer. And so, He's, but today he's doing,

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<v Speaker 4>he's doing, he's doing great. Prognosis has been good. The

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<v Speaker 4>treatment has been working and, but it's something he's going

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<v Speaker 4>to have to live with for the rest of his life. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And it does say something, does it not, that the

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<v Speaker 1>folks in New York would like to see Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 1>at the 9-11 festivities, but not Donald Trump. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems to me that that's probably a good move

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<v Speaker 1>on their part, not having Donald Trump there, given his

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<v Speaker 1>track record. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, What is that even all about? I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>talk about the level of narcissism that you have to

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<v Speaker 4>have is to demand to speak, to be the only

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<v Speaker 4>the first person to ever speak that, you know, with.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't get it.

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<v Speaker 4>It just he takes every beautiful thing about us coming

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<v Speaker 4>together and figures out a way to divide us even

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<v Speaker 4>further and make something make it all about him.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so true. There are so many different places where

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<v Speaker 1>we can go. I want to talk about your Substack

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<v Speaker 1>and anything else that you might have coming up. The

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<v Speaker 1>other thing that has been pissing me off lately, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's because I spent almost eight years there covering

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<v Speaker 1>the White House on a daily basis, is the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that the Supreme Court says it's okay for Trump to

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<v Speaker 1>knock down part of the White House and build this

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<v Speaker 1>ridiculous ballroom.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess what the.

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court is now saying is that You know, any

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<v Speaker 1>president can come in. I guess they can knock down

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing. They can put in an office building.

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<v Speaker 1>They can put in an amusement park.

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<v Speaker 3>It's insane. Have you had any thoughts on this?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, one of the things that I think is

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<v Speaker 4>the most troubling about that decision is that they is

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<v Speaker 4>outside of just the context of the actual East Wing

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<v Speaker 4>and that project is the way that they got to

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<v Speaker 4>the decision is by denying standing.

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<v Speaker 2>Um, to the, uh, to, to the, uh.

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<v Speaker 3>To the plantation folks, right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Preservation folks.

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<v Speaker 4>So if, if they don't have standing, what, uh, and

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<v Speaker 4>so many other things, not basically on whether he wants to,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, tear down the Kennedy center, whether he wants to,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, whatever he wants to do. And I always

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<v Speaker 4>say about this, just so everybody understands this, this is,

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<v Speaker 4>this is not just abnormal.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a, um, uh, and it's beyond just the

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<v Speaker 4>idea of like, he likes to build things or, or

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<v Speaker 4>turn everything into gold. What it is, is him taking

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<v Speaker 4>ownership of something that belongs to all of us. He

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<v Speaker 4>is saying to us, I can do with this, whatever

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<v Speaker 4>I want, because I own it. I am, I own

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<v Speaker 4>the white house. I own, you know, the Kennedy center.

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<v Speaker 4>I own the, the reflecting pool. And, you know, It's

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<v Speaker 4>literally what autocrats do.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's what dictators do.

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<v Speaker 4>And for him, it's about the symbolism of that, is

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<v Speaker 4>that he can bring in literally a wrecking ball and

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<v Speaker 4>take down a third of the entire square footage of

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<v Speaker 4>the East Wing and build it in his likeness. And

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<v Speaker 4>that's the thing that's the most disturbing about it. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>I think that the Supreme Court is, you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 4>too late for us, but it's going to rue the

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<v Speaker 4>day when they gave so much latitude to this guy

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<v Speaker 4>that clearly has the intention of never leaving.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, and Hunter, you and I are around

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<v Speaker 3>the same age.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean, I don't know about you, but I

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<v Speaker 1>grew up with like reverence for the Supreme Court.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I thought, you know, the.

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<v Speaker 1>Office of the presidency, obviously very political and Congress, very political.

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<v Speaker 1>The Supreme Court, I grew up with this, and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I was stupid and naive, but I had this notion

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<v Speaker 1>that the Supreme Court was sort of above all of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I get the sense that people just feel like, ah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just the MAGA guys on one side, the liberals

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side, and that's the way it goes.

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<v Speaker 1>And what a depressing thing to have happened to our country. Because,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, are you telling me that if Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 1>had knocked down part of the White House, that the

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court would be like, okay, sure, that's fine?

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<v Speaker 2>I just think that's nuts.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I know.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's astounding. I mean, and it's every day.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a new example of it in which he's given

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<v Speaker 4>a free pass by the other institutions and the Supreme Court, Congress,

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<v Speaker 4>the other separate parts of the executive that in the past,

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<v Speaker 4>whether it's by just the norms, the Justice Department being

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<v Speaker 4>one of them, That it just every day he gets

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<v Speaker 4>a pass. And and the more that he does, the

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<v Speaker 4>more the precedent is set.

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<v Speaker 2>And I and when I say rue the day.

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<v Speaker 4>What happens when the quote-unquote kind of anti-Donald Trump comes in,

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<v Speaker 4>which will not be any better for this country, regardless

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<v Speaker 4>of where you stand as it relates to Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 4>is that no one, this is the entire idea behind

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<v Speaker 4>our constitutional republic.

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<v Speaker 2>He's attacking the fundamental.

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<v Speaker 4>uh, reason for why we are a nation and why

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<v Speaker 4>I always believe that regardless of all our warts and, and, uh, and, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>troubled history is that we were always seeking to, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>build a better union. And, and, and he made it

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<v Speaker 4>clear that that is not the intent we're, we're, what we're,

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<v Speaker 4>we're in now is, um, you know, the, uh, implementing, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>the Trumpism, uh, and not the constitution.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And Trumpism, by the way, includes falling asleep all the

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<v Speaker 1>time in the Oval Office.

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<v Speaker 3>He did it yet again. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I know we brought this up the last time.

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<v Speaker 1>He called your dad Sleepy Joe all the time. He

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<v Speaker 1>falls asleep every time they do one of these photo

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<v Speaker 1>opportunities in the Oval Office. He's falling asleep.

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<v Speaker 3>We can show some of the video right there. And

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<v Speaker 3>he's just out cold with people behind him talking.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I fall asleep in movies or in front

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<v Speaker 1>of the TV and stuff. But people like standing around me,

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<v Speaker 1>I would never fall asleep.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't get this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I get it. He clearly has something wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>There's nothing even remotely normal about this. And it's really

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<v Speaker 4>the hypocrisy. This is where I would love to hear

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<v Speaker 4>your take on it. is I don't get what the

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<v Speaker 4>press is doing. I read an article today about Steve

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<v Speaker 4>Witkoff meeting with what's his name from the UAE, the, the,

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<v Speaker 4>the Amir's brother who runs all of the intelligence services

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<v Speaker 4>for the UAE and is, you know, and runs the

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<v Speaker 4>sovereign wealth fund. And it had this whole article about

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<v Speaker 4>how Steve Witkoff had this major sit down with him

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<v Speaker 4>as it related to the Iran war for the strategy.

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<v Speaker 4>And not one mention in there about how Steve Witkoff's

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<v Speaker 4>family is partners in business with this person in World

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<v Speaker 4>Liberty Financial to the tune of almost a half a

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<v Speaker 4>billion dollar investment in a scam, a cryptocurrency scam. And

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<v Speaker 4>it's amazing to me is how they let this stuff

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<v Speaker 4>just slide.

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<v Speaker 2>It is absolutely. I mean, I remember this, OK, for years.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know how long and how many millions of

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<v Speaker 4>dollars I had to defend myself. And one of the

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<v Speaker 4>issues was, is that I when my dad was neither

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<v Speaker 4>president nor vice president, met with individuals that I was

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<v Speaker 4>doing business with. He never met with them, but he

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<v Speaker 4>literally did like a photo op walking out of a restaurant,

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<v Speaker 4>not even a photo op.

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<v Speaker 2>The guy took a picture of himself, a selfie.

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<v Speaker 4>And yeah and and that was it that's the entirety

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<v Speaker 4>of any evidence that they had similarly now these guys

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<v Speaker 4>are literally making billions of dollars with these people and

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<v Speaker 4>they are and they are um uh uh setting policy

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<v Speaker 4>for the United States of America, which has increased gas

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<v Speaker 4>prices by what, 40% since the start of the war

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<v Speaker 4>of the rent? The straightforward solution is still closed. And

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<v Speaker 4>they're making money off of it by front trading, insider trading,

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<v Speaker 4>letting them know when he's going to go make a

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<v Speaker 4>statement and making billions of dollars in trades on the

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<v Speaker 4>world's futures.

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<v Speaker 1>I would love for somebody to ask that question, how

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<v Speaker 1>kushner doing business with the saudis you know that.

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<v Speaker 4>He makes annually a hundred million dollars in fees from

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<v Speaker 4>4 billion, all from Gulf state countries.

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<v Speaker 1>And they want to give the Saudis nuclear power, which

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<v Speaker 4>And by the way, I know, for instance, that the

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<v Speaker 4>they're supposedly the point people for any of the technology

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<v Speaker 4>To the Saudis as it relates to a nuclear program

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean, it just doesn't end. And I just,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, and part of it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Because he throws out all of this goofy, crazy shit

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<v Speaker 3>And he just says silly, kooky stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm thinking to myself, you know, I guess we

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<v Speaker 3>Play this, but it's like, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's when I.

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<v Speaker 5>Came up with the name Democrat because it's the dumbest

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<v Speaker 5>stuff I've ever seen. Like the transgender, like the men

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<v Speaker 5>and women's sports, like the open borders, like hundreds of

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<v Speaker 5>other things that are so bad. And then I said, well,

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<v Speaker 5>you have Democrat. And most people don't know that dumb

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Hunter, nobody thinks that. And I don't, is his

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<v Speaker 3>brain broken?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, your father said one thing in

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<v Speaker 1>this shit almost every day.

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<v Speaker 2>Every day. Every day.

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<v Speaker 4>It's almost, you know, and then here's the thing, Jim,

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<v Speaker 4>is this is why I think that from your experience.

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<v Speaker 2>As being.

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<v Speaker 4>A part of the White House press pool and White

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<v Speaker 4>House correspondent, is I just don't get how they let

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<v Speaker 4>this stuff pass. I don't get it anymore. And, and I, and, and,

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<v Speaker 4>and so we get caught in this thing. Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>dad had a bad, one bad debate performance. And, and

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<v Speaker 4>sometimes he mixed up the word ran with the rack

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<v Speaker 4>or things like that. This, this literally happens on a

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<v Speaker 4>daily basis. And I almost wonder, is it, if it's

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<v Speaker 4>like the, You know, you say, well, it's just all

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<v Speaker 4>of these things that he does as a distraction, like

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what did you think of that? Well, I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>Think of it literally more, a dumber with a B

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<v Speaker 4>thing in history, except for the thing that he did,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, three days before that. I mean, talk about dumb.

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<v Speaker 4>It is just, like, and offensive and childish.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Google goes along with it. Apple goes along

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<v Speaker 1>with it. That's disgraceful, too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. By the way, go get your MapQuest. Everybody go

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<v Speaker 2>to the Apple Store right now and download MapQuest. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>with you.

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<v Speaker 4>The heroes of the internet right now who refuse to

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<v Speaker 4>name a lake, by the way, which has been named

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<v Speaker 4>that for over, what, 500 years. Something like that. I

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<v Speaker 4>think 400 years, literally, before colonization. And so it's just

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<v Speaker 3>It is all dumb with a B.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no question about it. You know what it is?

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<v Speaker 2>It's a dumb with a Donald Trump at the end.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what it is. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>With a capital D.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you know, and I did see one of your

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<v Speaker 1>interviews the other day where you were talking about Vice

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<v Speaker 1>President Kamala Harris. And I mean, I will say that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, this from the from the get go looked

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<v Speaker 1>like a really good pairing to me when your your

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<v Speaker 1>dad picked Kamala Harris as vice president.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought they worked together pretty, pretty well.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess, you know, any relationship between the

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<v Speaker 1>president and vice president might have its hiccups from time

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, Trump and J.D. Vance, that's a whole other story.

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<v Speaker 1>But I guess you were doing an interview the other

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<v Speaker 1>day where you were talking about Kamala Harris and loyalty.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you want to.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, here's the thing is this is like

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<v Speaker 4>I truly love the vice president.

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<v Speaker 2>And I certainly don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't speak for my dad on this is that

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<v Speaker 4>he loved working with the with Vice President Harris. And

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<v Speaker 4>she was an incredibly loyal and effective member of the administration.

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<v Speaker 4>And on a personal level, I'd love Doug and Kamala.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm an overly sensitive boy sometimes. You know, I think

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<v Speaker 4>I think I made that statement. in response to like,

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<v Speaker 4>who her favorite presidents and, you know, and, and I

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<v Speaker 4>guess what the point was is that she wasn't going

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<v Speaker 4>to name, you know, her, you know, her ticket, but, um, uh, but, and, and, and,

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<v Speaker 4>and the fact of the matter is, is that I

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<v Speaker 4>think the, what we should be talking about now is

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<v Speaker 4>the incredible women, particularly black women that are, that are

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<v Speaker 4>running for that, that are actually in races right now. Um, uh, like, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>like Stratton, like, um, uh, Keisha Lance Bottoms. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>talk about an incredible candidate down in Georgia.

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<v Speaker 2>And my own senator from the state of Delaware, Lisa

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<v Speaker 4>And I know that the, so here's me apologizing for

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<v Speaker 2>National tv but you know that's me so.

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<v Speaker 1>That's okay it's all right to get a little sensitive

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<v Speaker 1>about your dad he's your dad that's.

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<v Speaker 2>The way yeah yeah um.

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<v Speaker 1>You know but i i do wonder though it does

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<v Speaker 1>raise the issue of like what is the future of

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<v Speaker 1>the democratic party i know you and i talked about

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<v Speaker 1>this before and i knew you told me that you

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<v Speaker 1>weren't going to run for anything so i'm not.

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<v Speaker 3>Going to ask about yourself but um Is it John Ossoff?

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<v Speaker 1>He brought up the Natalie Harp thing, and then that

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<v Speaker 1>went viral and I think created a real problem and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know whether it was somebody who gave him

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<v Speaker 1>there that you'd like? I guess we should talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the Natalie Harp thing, too.

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<v Speaker 3>We should get to that, too.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, so we'll get to the Natalie Harp thing, which

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<v Speaker 4>I think is totally relevant and fair. And I don't

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<v Speaker 4>think this whole thing like, oh my God, you're attacking

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<v Speaker 4>like this poor, you know, shit, number one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, fuck it, let's talk about Natalie Harp first. What

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<v Speaker 3>do you think about that?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Natalie Harp first is this.

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<v Speaker 4>Is anybody that walks that close to the football, to

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<v Speaker 4>the nuclear codes, along with the president, that is in

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<v Speaker 4>his presence on a 24, clearly 24-7, that acts this

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<v Speaker 4>weird and seemingly inappropriate in the workplace? is someone that

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<v Speaker 4>we have an absolute right to focus on and to

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<v Speaker 4>focus on why she didn't get a national security clearance

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<v Speaker 4>for over a year when she entered into the into

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<v Speaker 4>the employ of Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>There is nothing normal about this.

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<v Speaker 4>And if this was not if this was Joe Biden,

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<v Speaker 4>if this was Barack Obama, it would be wall to

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<v Speaker 2>There is no way that this is not an appropriate issue.

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<v Speaker 4>And it is the hypocrisy of them saying, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 4>this young woman, you're trying to ruin her life. No

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<v Speaker 4>one's trying to ruin anybody's life. We're trying to get

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<v Speaker 4>to the answers of why it is this relationship exists

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<v Speaker 4>the way that it does.

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<v Speaker 2>It is strange.

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<v Speaker 4>It is inappropriate in many senses. And it should be answered.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's a legitimate question.

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<v Speaker 2>But every single time what they do is they act

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<v Speaker 2>like as if, oh, my, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Like the way that you're talking about a woman. Look at, like, Jesus,

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<v Speaker 4>God Almighty, look in the mirror, people. Look in the mirror.

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<v Speaker 4>Look in the mirror.

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump has insulted women more than any human being

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<v Speaker 1>in the history of mankind.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And, again, like, go back to the White House

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<v Speaker 2>Press Corps.

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<v Speaker 4>On Air Force One, he turns to an experienced, seasoned,

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<v Speaker 4>incredibly well-liked journalist on the plane who's asking him tough questions,

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<v Speaker 4>and he turns there and says, quiet, Biggie. And none

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<v Speaker 4>of these people like Scott Jennings on CNN had any

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<v Speaker 4>problem with that.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't find any problem with that.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, Scott Jennings, you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you know, like, Oh my God, he's the

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<v Speaker 4>it's like literally there's no one that gets under my

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<v Speaker 4>skin more than Scott Jennings, because it's just like, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Lie after lie after lie after obfuscation.

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<v Speaker 3>He claims he talked to Mitch McConnell.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, I talked to Mitch McConnell.

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<v Speaker 3>Where's Mitch McConnell?

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, it would be really easy. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>understand why they don't do this. It'd be really easy.

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<v Speaker 2>Show me the phone log. We all have it. All

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<v Speaker 2>you have to do is go.

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<v Speaker 4>Into your phone, you go to the number you know,

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<v Speaker 4>when it was dialed and it shows you how long

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<v Speaker 4>the how long the call was.

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<v Speaker 2>Show me the phone log. Show me the number. He

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<v Speaker 2>could end it. He could end the debate about whether

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<v Speaker 2>he did it. But he's full of shit. We all

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<v Speaker 2>know it. Now, as it relates to.

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<v Speaker 4>The future of the Democratic Party, I have to say

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<v Speaker 4>this is all of this hand wringing is so typical

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 4>There are people look at the candidates that are out

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know of anybody that generates more excitement of

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<v Speaker 4>And by the way, more press and coverage than AOC.

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<v Speaker 3>Forget about- You'd like to see AOC.

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<v Speaker 2>No, look at AOC. Look at John Ossoff.

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<v Speaker 4>Look what John Ossoff has been, the excitement that he's

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<v Speaker 4>been able to create in Georgia, in a purple state

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<v Speaker 4>at best, in which he- has been able to break

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<v Speaker 4>out of the wall-to-wall Donald Trump press and be able

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<v Speaker 4>to create his own. And by the way, look at

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<v Speaker 4>somebody like James Tallarico. Now, they may steal that election

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<v Speaker 4>from him by closing polling stations.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you see that? They closed down 95 polling stations.

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to do everything they can do to steal it.

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<v Speaker 2>But what an.

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<v Speaker 4>Amazing candidate for Texas in particular. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 4>Abdul Al-Sayed is going to win. I'll tell you here

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<v Speaker 4>right now. Abdul Al-Sayed is going to win in Michigan.

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<v Speaker 4>And oh, I'll tell you about somebody who I think

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<v Speaker 4>is a rising star in the face of the Democratic

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<v Speaker 4>Party that I'd like to see is Dan Coe in

447
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<v Speaker 4>Massachusetts 6th, who just won the primary there. He's amazing.

448
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<v Speaker 4>Watch him on TV. Watch how he goes on Fox

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<v Speaker 4>News and takes it back to them. That's the future

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<v Speaker 4>of the Democratic Party. Look at Keisha Lance Bottoms in Georgia.

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<v Speaker 4>Look at Lisa Blount Rochester in Delaware. Look at Julie

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<v Speaker 4>Stratton in, and just, we have these amazing candidates. By

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<v Speaker 4>the way, Gavin Newsom, I don't care what you say

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<v Speaker 4>about Gavin Newsom, if anybody's ready for prime time, you

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<v Speaker 4>know what I mean? Like he is, and as a communicator,

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<v Speaker 4>And not only a communicator in the.

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<v Speaker 2>New media, he's got a team, man. He is ready

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<v Speaker 2>to go. So I think we have an enormous, incredibly

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<v Speaker 2>deep bench.

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<v Speaker 4>And the question is not whether or not we have

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<v Speaker 4>the people to bring us over the finish line. The

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<v Speaker 4>question is whether or not they will allow us to

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<v Speaker 4>get to the finish line.

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<v Speaker 2>Meaning the way in which they're trying to suppress the

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<v Speaker 2>vote is real.

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<v Speaker 4>And they are they they will do everything in the

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<v Speaker 4>power from mailing voting to shutting down the Postal Service

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<v Speaker 4>in order to be able to suppress the vote. Those

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<v Speaker 4>are the things that we need to be focused on

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<v Speaker 4>as part.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're also I mean, there was just a story

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<v Speaker 1>in The New York Times. DHS agents apparently are rummaging

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<v Speaker 1>through state voter rolls trying to find candidates. These mythical,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, illegal voters, undocumented voters out there. They try

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<v Speaker 1>this every four years. They talk about voter fraud and

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<v Speaker 1>they never prove it. It's just a kind of shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>What do we do as a country, though, if they

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<v Speaker 1>do try to steal it?

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<v Speaker 3>If they do.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been worried that Trump is just trying to cause

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<v Speaker 1>so much chaos that it results in this giant 52

484
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<v Speaker 1>car pile up in the midterms. And they say, well,

485
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<v Speaker 1>we can't really sort it out right away. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>go to the Supreme Court and see if we can

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<v Speaker 1>delay the seating of a new Congress until we sort

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<v Speaker 1>this out. These are the scenarios that I worry about.

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<v Speaker 1>What do we do as a country?

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<v Speaker 3>Does it mean.

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<v Speaker 1>People have to take to the streets and surround the

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<v Speaker 1>White House?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, what do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what I think.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, look, make no mistake, this is what they're planning.

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<v Speaker 4>Whether they can pull it off or not, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>But that is what they're planning. This is what they're

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<v Speaker 4>going to do. And it will take mass civil disobedience

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<v Speaker 4>in order for us to be able to reverse this.

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<v Speaker 4>I keep saying to people, this is not about saving

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<v Speaker 4>our democracy. This is about getting it back.

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<v Speaker 2>They have already blown through the rule of law in

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<v Speaker 2>so many ways.

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<v Speaker 4>They have already done things to make it clear that

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<v Speaker 4>they do not believe in free and fair elections. Every

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<v Speaker 4>single thing they say about these elections is a complete lie,

507
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<v Speaker 4>verifiable by just just checking your facts, people. And so

508
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<v Speaker 4>what we know is this. They're going to try to

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<v Speaker 4>steal it and like everything with them. Everything is projection

510
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<v Speaker 4>or confessions. They claimed that election was stolen so they

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<v Speaker 4>could create enough chaos to be able to try to

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<v Speaker 4>change the rules in their favor. That's what all of

513
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<v Speaker 4>this is about. That's what every single piece of this about.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I yeah, maybe it'll take a general strike.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe people should, you know, in blue states just not

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<v Speaker 1>go to work and just say, listen, if you.

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<v Speaker 4>By the way, I've been thinking that we should have

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<v Speaker 4>done that a long time ago. I mean, I even

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<v Speaker 4>think about this in the context of what he's doing

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<v Speaker 4>to Canada and our relationship to Canada. And I watch

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<v Speaker 4>what Doug Ford is doing out in what he's in

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<v Speaker 4>Ontario province.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Or I forget.

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<v Speaker 4>And he he has been much more strident even than

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<v Speaker 4>the prime minister and saying, like, you know what? We're

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<v Speaker 4>not going to do any more trade. We're going to

528
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<v Speaker 4>we're going to target blue states. We are going to

529
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<v Speaker 4>cancel the Starlink contract. We are, you know, 10 billion

530
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<v Speaker 4>dollars worth of contracts with the Canadian government are going

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<v Speaker 4>to be canceled. I people have to respond in kind.

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<v Speaker 4>We as Democrats have to respond in time. So a

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<v Speaker 4>general strike, 100 percent. Civil disobedience, 100 percent. Mass mobilization,

534
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<v Speaker 4>100 percent.

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<v Speaker 2>All of those things.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's enough with us being destabilized and being the

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<v Speaker 1>victims of the chaos.

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<v Speaker 3>Why not, you know, put some heat on them?

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<v Speaker 1>That's to me that that's that sounds like what you

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<v Speaker 1>got to do to get their attention, to get his attention, to.

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<v Speaker 2>Wake him up. Couldn't agree more. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>here's another thing. You know, people are talking that way

543
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<v Speaker 2>and are like J.B. Pritzker in Illinois.

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<v Speaker 4>That's true. Governor Newsom, Wes Moore. We got some really,

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<v Speaker 4>really good people. I think that, you know, unfortunately, I

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<v Speaker 4>say in every interview is people ask me about Democratic Party.

547
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<v Speaker 2>I say the Will Rogers line. I'm not a member

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<v Speaker 2>of any organized party. I'm a Democrat. And but but

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<v Speaker 2>this is not it. By the way, here's the other thing.

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<v Speaker 2>this isn't about Democrats. This isn't about Republicans. This is about,

551
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<v Speaker 2>this is about the country. It's about saving the country.

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<v Speaker 4>And just everybody, people remember this wake up, wake up

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<v Speaker 4>to the fact that Donald Trump has a 31% favorability

554
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<v Speaker 4>rating is that the, the number of people that still

555
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<v Speaker 4>consider themselves MAGA is less than the actual, in terms

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<v Speaker 4>of population, probably less than 10 to 15% of this country.

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<v Speaker 4>And so, All of us, all of us have to

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<v Speaker 4>find common ground, which is one of the reasons why

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<v Speaker 4>I'm willing to go talk to people like Tucker Carlson

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<v Speaker 4>or Candace Owen. Because at least in one thing they've

561
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<v Speaker 4>found is that they have woke up to the fact

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<v Speaker 4>that Donald Trump is a complete and utter fraud and

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<v Speaker 4>charlatan and is ruining the country.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you mentioned that because I noticed you did

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<v Speaker 1>these interviews. And I understand the philosophy behind it, sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like Pete Buttigieg going on Fox and that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of thing, which I always think that's great. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>get the sense, though, when they tell you, I've had it,

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<v Speaker 1>that's it, I'm done with Trump, that they're just reading

570
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<v Speaker 1>their audience and they're just, again, being charlatans and putting

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<v Speaker 1>their finger in the wind?

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<v Speaker 3>Or do you think it's genuine?

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<v Speaker 1>I think in the part of Tucker.

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<v Speaker 2>And Candace, it's genuine. Interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>And because Tucker's really full of shit. I know. I'll

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<v Speaker 3>just say that, you know, he has been.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, I hope so because some of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that he said about me in the past, I know exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, he was, I got a lot of heat from,

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<v Speaker 4>from people that I really respect and that I, um,

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<v Speaker 4>I love that when I did that and, and they

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<v Speaker 4>said to me at the time, uh, right after, and

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it may have cost him a friendship in

584
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<v Speaker 4>one instance is that Hunter, what they, these people did

585
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<v Speaker 4>to me, is unforgivable. And this is somebody that they

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<v Speaker 4>actually did ruin their life. And I can't believe that

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<v Speaker 4>you would go and, quote unquote, kind of bury the

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<v Speaker 4>hatchet or try to do a kumbaya. And number one,

589
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<v Speaker 4>in each instance, it's nothing about kumbaya for me. I

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<v Speaker 4>think that everyone should be held accountable. But the idea

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<v Speaker 4>that I don't have standing, so to speak, in terms

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<v Speaker 4>of somebody that has been completely dehumanized, defamed, and had

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<v Speaker 4>their lives not turned inside out, upside down, and had

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<v Speaker 4>the shit beat out of me for seven years by

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<v Speaker 4>those people. So I feel if anybody has the right

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<v Speaker 4>to go and make their own decision about who they

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<v Speaker 4>talk to, it would be me.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know this.

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<v Speaker 4>This is just my strategy. My strategy is that we

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<v Speaker 4>have to do first things first. First thing first is

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<v Speaker 4>getting rid of Donald Trump. And I will go anywhere

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<v Speaker 4>in which I can find common ground and people that

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<v Speaker 4>are in agreement with me that Donald Trump is a

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<v Speaker 4>cancer on the soul of this country. And so that's

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<v Speaker 4>that's my strategy. I may be wrong, but but that's.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I think it's good.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's good to try to penetrate these bubbles

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<v Speaker 1>that people are in. And sometimes you have to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to go into the lion's den. I totally

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<v Speaker 1>agree with you. And Hunter, tell us a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about your Substack and what you're doing these days, because

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<v Speaker 1>it really is, I think, a valuable resource for people

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<v Speaker 1>who have dealt with addiction, people who have tried to

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<v Speaker 1>get their life together in the way that you have.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's a process.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So, you know, I love Substack because it's because the

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<v Speaker 4>whole model of it and you get to write in

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<v Speaker 4>long form and you get to actually really flesh out

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<v Speaker 4>some of the ideas that you've had. And I wrote

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<v Speaker 4>two books in rough draft. And so what I do

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<v Speaker 4>with my subscribers is I'm releasing the book kind of episodically,

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<v Speaker 4>the first one. And the second book that I wrote

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<v Speaker 4>is kind of not from the internal perspective, but from

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<v Speaker 4>an external perspective. The operation that was run against me

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<v Speaker 4>by people like Rudy Giuliani and and Steve Bannon and

627
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<v Speaker 4>many others. And so, but also to, you know, you

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<v Speaker 4>don't have to be a paid subscriber to go read

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<v Speaker 4>my sub stack in which I write essays about the things.

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<v Speaker 2>And what I try to do is I try to.

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<v Speaker 4>Relate my own experience in recovery to what the country's

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<v Speaker 4>going through. And so I write on there and I

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<v Speaker 4>write a lot about, you know, addiction and a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of other things in my art.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's really cool, but go subscribe. You can subscribe

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<v Speaker 2>for free.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't have to, you know, do the paid, to

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<v Speaker 4>do the paid one now if you want to do

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<v Speaker 4>the paid one jim i'm okay.

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<v Speaker 3>That's okay i'll become one i'll do it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah um but it's um it's pretty cool and

642
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<v Speaker 4>um and uh and i'm actually having a lot of

643
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<v Speaker 4>fun with that it um it is fun i i

644
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<v Speaker 4>i i'm i have uh i fancy myself to be

645
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<v Speaker 4>a writer since i was a kid and um i'm

646
00:30:49.009 --> 00:30:51.309
<v Speaker 4>maybe maybe not that great at it but it uh

647
00:30:51.849 --> 00:30:54.150
<v Speaker 4>it's uh along with my art this keeps me sane.

648
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's all you can do is, is try

649
00:30:57.119 --> 00:30:58.920
<v Speaker 1>to pour your heart into stuff. I mean, that's, that's

650
00:30:58.940 --> 00:31:01.200
<v Speaker 1>what life is all about. But, and I think a

651
00:31:01.240 --> 00:31:04.200
<v Speaker 1>lot of people respect what you've been doing lately, Hunter. They,

652
00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:06.339
<v Speaker 1>they really liked the fact that you're trying to take

653
00:31:06.500 --> 00:31:10.420
<v Speaker 1>ownership of your life and people say the narrative, it's

654
00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:13.539
<v Speaker 1>kind of like a jargony word, but you've taken control

655
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:14.980
<v Speaker 1>of your story, who you are.

656
00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:17.279
<v Speaker 3>And I think that's fantastic. And I really think it is.

657
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, I, I got, I got some more tricks

658
00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:21.819
<v Speaker 2>up my sleeve too.

659
00:31:21.940 --> 00:31:24.220
<v Speaker 1>So you got some other stuff coming and should we,

660
00:31:26.210 --> 00:31:28.430
<v Speaker 1>I got.

661
00:31:28.329 --> 00:31:31.789
<v Speaker 2>Some other tricks coming up my sleeve and it'll be fun.

662
00:31:32.049 --> 00:31:32.589
<v Speaker 2>It'll be fun.

663
00:31:32.609 --> 00:31:34.190
<v Speaker 3>All right. There's a tease there. Very good.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. We'll get you back.

665
00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Maybe we can talk about it when it comes out,

666
00:31:36.980 --> 00:31:38.559
<v Speaker 1>but Hunter, thanks a lot.

667
00:31:38.579 --> 00:31:40.420
<v Speaker 3>Really appreciate it. Good to see you.

668
00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:42.170
<v Speaker 2>Always good to see you, Jim. Thanks for having me on.

669
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<v Speaker 2>See you.

670
00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:43.059
<v Speaker 3>Take care.

671
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was Hunter Biden there. Terrific interview with Hunter

672
00:31:48.869 --> 00:31:51.650
<v Speaker 1>Biden on the state of our democracy. And I thought,

673
00:31:51.750 --> 00:31:53.430
<v Speaker 1>you know, his words there towards the end of the

674
00:31:53.730 --> 00:31:55.410
<v Speaker 1>end of the interview when he said it might take

675
00:31:55.470 --> 00:32:00.430
<v Speaker 1>people taking to the streets after these midterms happen. If

676
00:32:00.470 --> 00:32:03.430
<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump tries to steal these elections coming up this fall,

677
00:32:03.470 --> 00:32:05.289
<v Speaker 1>that it might take something like that in this country

678
00:32:05.390 --> 00:32:08.279
<v Speaker 1>to stay on this front of our democracy and the

679
00:32:08.299 --> 00:32:10.079
<v Speaker 1>state of it and how fragile it is right now.

680
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<v Speaker 1>Let's bring in Ruth Ben-Ghiat. She is the author of

681
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:18.140
<v Speaker 1>the wonderful Lucid Substack. Always a must read. Ruth, always

682
00:32:18.180 --> 00:32:19.440
<v Speaker 1>great to see you. Thanks for coming back.

683
00:32:20.619 --> 00:32:22.140
<v Speaker 6>It's so nice to be speaking with you.

684
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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

685
00:32:23.329 --> 00:32:25.109
<v Speaker 3>And we've got a lot of ground to cover, too.

686
00:32:25.829 --> 00:32:28.029
<v Speaker 1>One of the things that we should get into is,

687
00:32:28.049 --> 00:32:31.630
<v Speaker 1>I mean, just today, a federal judge was looking at,

688
00:32:31.990 --> 00:32:35.650
<v Speaker 1>you know, what this latest thing from the Trump administration,

689
00:32:35.690 --> 00:32:38.319
<v Speaker 1>the way they're trying to rig the midterms. He wants

690
00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:42.119
<v Speaker 1>to restrict mail-in ballots ahead of the November elections. And

691
00:32:42.130 --> 00:32:45.019
<v Speaker 1>this federal judge sounded very dubious about the whole thing,

692
00:32:45.059 --> 00:32:49.380
<v Speaker 1>saying it could cause major disenfranchisement. There was a hearing

693
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:51.559
<v Speaker 1>on this today. She raised a lot of questions. We

694
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:53.359
<v Speaker 1>don't have a ruling on this just yet, but she

695
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:56.500
<v Speaker 1>may act fairly quickly on this. What do you make

696
00:32:56.539 --> 00:32:59.089
<v Speaker 1>of this, Ruth, what Trump has been trying to do

697
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<v Speaker 1>with mail-in balloting on the eve of a midterm election cycle?

698
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<v Speaker 3>It's extraordinary.

699
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<v Speaker 7>It's extraordinary, but it's completely in keeping with– what a

700
00:33:10.930 --> 00:33:14.740
<v Speaker 7>desperate person does. Somebody who knows that he has led

701
00:33:14.900 --> 00:33:19.160
<v Speaker 7>the GOP, they have led themselves into situation where they're

702
00:33:19.740 --> 00:33:23.059
<v Speaker 7>going to do very badly. And so what autocrats have

703
00:33:23.140 --> 00:33:26.339
<v Speaker 7>always done, if they keep elections going, as happens in

704
00:33:26.380 --> 00:33:30.220
<v Speaker 7>the 21st century, is so you try and rig the

705
00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:35.480
<v Speaker 7>system and you use intimidation to get people not to

706
00:33:35.539 --> 00:33:39.059
<v Speaker 7>feel unsafe coming out to vote. You strip people from

707
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:44.549
<v Speaker 7>the rolls. Orban in Hungary used gerrymandering as well. So

708
00:33:44.650 --> 00:33:49.269
<v Speaker 7>he was defeated and he conceded. But these are old

709
00:33:49.390 --> 00:33:56.339
<v Speaker 7>tricks that desperate people do to keep themselves in power

710
00:33:56.440 --> 00:34:01.700
<v Speaker 7>when they know that the way they've been acting has

711
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:06.210
<v Speaker 7>caused mass discontent. And so if they were to let

712
00:34:06.349 --> 00:34:09.329
<v Speaker 7>a free and fair election proceed, they would lose.

713
00:34:10.420 --> 00:34:10.659
<v Speaker 5>Right.

714
00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:12.840
<v Speaker 1>And that's what he's up against right now. That's what

715
00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:16.219
<v Speaker 1>has the Republican Party freaked out right now. Many of

716
00:34:16.260 --> 00:34:19.449
<v Speaker 1>them are reluctant to go to his Trumpapalooza convention that

717
00:34:19.469 --> 00:34:22.010
<v Speaker 1>they want to have next week in Dallas. I guess

718
00:34:22.130 --> 00:34:25.789
<v Speaker 1>MSNOW and some other folks have been interviewing Republican lawmakers,

719
00:34:25.829 --> 00:34:28.730
<v Speaker 1>and they're acting as though this is like going to one.

720
00:34:28.690 --> 00:34:30.889
<v Speaker 3>Of RFK Jr. 's measles sites.

721
00:34:32.820 --> 00:34:36.300
<v Speaker 1>They don't want to go anywhere near that convention. And

722
00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:39.320
<v Speaker 1>I know you wrote recently, in your lucid sub stack,

723
00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:41.480
<v Speaker 1>we should also mention your amazing book, strong men, but

724
00:34:41.599 --> 00:34:44.579
<v Speaker 1>in your lucid sub stack, um, about how Trump has

725
00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:47.070
<v Speaker 1>kind of broken the Republican party. I mean, he has

726
00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:50.530
<v Speaker 1>really devastated the Republican party right now and they're paying

727
00:34:50.570 --> 00:34:51.750
<v Speaker 1>for it dearly.

728
00:34:52.849 --> 00:34:53.769
<v Speaker 6>They're paying for it.

729
00:34:53.989 --> 00:34:57.630
<v Speaker 7>And there's also, um, so he's broken the party and,

730
00:34:57.989 --> 00:35:00.289
<v Speaker 7>you know, as a reminder, and I need to remind

731
00:35:00.349 --> 00:35:03.030
<v Speaker 7>everybody that we have only two major parties.

732
00:35:03.630 --> 00:35:08.300
<v Speaker 6>So, um, in other countries that have multi-party.

733
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:12.070
<v Speaker 7>Systems, if a leader kind of corrupts and starts to,

734
00:35:12.550 --> 00:35:16.590
<v Speaker 7>you know, engineers the decline of a main party, the

735
00:35:17.090 --> 00:35:20.570
<v Speaker 7>defectors who want to save their skins have somewhere else

736
00:35:20.630 --> 00:35:23.690
<v Speaker 7>to go. They can go to other parties. But here,

737
00:35:23.769 --> 00:35:26.250
<v Speaker 7>there's nowhere else for people to go. Now, maybe Tucker

738
00:35:26.289 --> 00:35:29.429
<v Speaker 7>Carlson will run for president one day. Who knows what

739
00:35:29.469 --> 00:35:32.800
<v Speaker 7>could happen? But The other thing I wanted to say

740
00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:37.219
<v Speaker 7>is really interesting. We're living through this global renaissance of

741
00:35:37.260 --> 00:35:38.539
<v Speaker 7>resistance in the world.

742
00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:39.119
<v Speaker 6>And there's a.

743
00:35:39.139 --> 00:35:46.000
<v Speaker 7>Whole subcategory of Gen Z protests and resistances. And we

744
00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:51.050
<v Speaker 7>are rapidly approaching having the three main conditions that around

745
00:35:51.090 --> 00:35:55.650
<v Speaker 7>the world are sparking resistance. One is economic hardship. Two

746
00:35:55.869 --> 00:36:00.739
<v Speaker 7>is when people see blatant corruption happening. by not just

747
00:36:00.780 --> 00:36:03.920
<v Speaker 7>the leader and his family, but, you know, entrenched elites,

748
00:36:03.980 --> 00:36:07.880
<v Speaker 7>so blatant corruption. And third is when the government is

749
00:36:08.019 --> 00:36:12.679
<v Speaker 7>both brutal, but also, and this is really important, uncaring.

750
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:15.920
<v Speaker 7>So if there's a natural disaster, the government doesn't care.

751
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:19.719
<v Speaker 7>They're too busy, you know, taking care of themselves. And

752
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:23.789
<v Speaker 7>so this mix of economic hardship, blatant corruption, and a

753
00:36:23.849 --> 00:36:26.909
<v Speaker 7>government that either is, you know, going after you with

754
00:36:26.949 --> 00:36:29.849
<v Speaker 7>violence or doesn't care about you, it's usually both.

755
00:36:30.849 --> 00:36:32.050
<v Speaker 6>So we have all this.

756
00:36:33.309 --> 00:36:36.110
<v Speaker 7>And the GOP and Trump, they know they're in a

757
00:36:36.170 --> 00:36:40.090
<v Speaker 7>very precarious situation and certainly explains the way that Trump

758
00:36:40.150 --> 00:36:45.750
<v Speaker 7>is acting also with his ballroom and his bunker. All

759
00:36:45.769 --> 00:36:49.760
<v Speaker 7>the things that are happening can be filed under desperation

760
00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:53.239
<v Speaker 7>because of the way they've behaved.

761
00:36:53.980 --> 00:36:54.199
<v Speaker 3>Right.

762
00:36:54.219 --> 00:36:56.420
<v Speaker 1>They wouldn't be trying to rig the midterms if they

763
00:36:56.440 --> 00:36:58.760
<v Speaker 1>thought they were going to do really well. And on

764
00:36:58.780 --> 00:37:00.679
<v Speaker 1>the corruption thing, you're absolutely right. I mean, a couple

765
00:37:00.699 --> 00:37:01.960
<v Speaker 1>of things you mentioned there. I do want to get

766
00:37:01.980 --> 00:37:04.619
<v Speaker 1>into the ballroom and the vanity projects. I've been calling

767
00:37:04.659 --> 00:37:08.289
<v Speaker 1>them insanity projects. But on the corruption, I just saw

768
00:37:08.329 --> 00:37:10.329
<v Speaker 1>this poll from Gallup, and I think we can put

769
00:37:10.369 --> 00:37:14.030
<v Speaker 1>this up on screen that talks about how people feel

770
00:37:14.070 --> 00:37:15.309
<v Speaker 1>about corruption these days.

771
00:37:16.150 --> 00:37:16.969
<v Speaker 3>This is according to Gallup.

772
00:37:17.070 --> 00:37:21.000
<v Speaker 1>A record 89% in the United States say government corruption

773
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:27.289
<v Speaker 1>is widespread. Substantial majorities, Republicans, Democrats, and independents agree. I suspect, Ruth,

774
00:37:27.469 --> 00:37:30.809
<v Speaker 1>if this poll were taken back when Joe Biden was president.

775
00:37:30.829 --> 00:37:32.949
<v Speaker 3>Barack Obama, the number would not be that high.

776
00:37:33.309 --> 00:37:36.530
<v Speaker 1>This is a reaction to what has been a corruption

777
00:37:36.989 --> 00:37:40.360
<v Speaker 1>bonanza under Donald Trump in this second administration. I don't

778
00:37:40.380 --> 00:37:43.579
<v Speaker 1>think we've ever seen anything like this in America before.

779
00:37:44.500 --> 00:37:47.059
<v Speaker 1>Maybe even in, like, I don't know, North America or

780
00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:51.019
<v Speaker 1>the Western Hemisphere. I mean, among Western democracies where a

781
00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:52.880
<v Speaker 1>president of the United States or president of a country

782
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:55.539
<v Speaker 1>has enriched himself to this degree. I mean, you really

783
00:37:55.579 --> 00:37:58.960
<v Speaker 1>have to look for other examples besides Donald Trump.

784
00:38:00.179 --> 00:38:05.119
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, the parallels are from autocracies. And it's really a

785
00:38:05.179 --> 00:38:08.780
<v Speaker 7>totally different mentality. And I actually added a corruption chapter

786
00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:12.659
<v Speaker 7>to strongmen because, and Trump is in it, because he

787
00:38:12.699 --> 00:38:16.539
<v Speaker 7>was starting all of these things. And the whole purpose

788
00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:20.739
<v Speaker 7>of why autocrats are in office is completely different than

789
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:23.340
<v Speaker 7>Democrats with a small d. And one of the main

790
00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:26.119
<v Speaker 7>reasons they want to get to office is to make money.

791
00:38:27.230 --> 00:38:30.949
<v Speaker 7>So you make private income off of public office. And

792
00:38:31.010 --> 00:38:34.369
<v Speaker 7>it's not just you, it's also your family. It's your clan.

793
00:38:34.389 --> 00:38:37.909
<v Speaker 7>And that's why like sons-in-law often are there to make

794
00:38:37.969 --> 00:38:42.000
<v Speaker 7>dirty deals and they're given special tasks. And then it

795
00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:46.260
<v Speaker 7>becomes like what eventually is called a mafia state where

796
00:38:46.300 --> 00:38:50.860
<v Speaker 7>you have the families and clans of the officials like

797
00:38:50.909 --> 00:38:54.769
<v Speaker 7>Howard Lutnick. So this is starting and they make money.

798
00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:58.179
<v Speaker 7>And so, you know, when it's very well developed, like

799
00:38:58.460 --> 00:39:03.940
<v Speaker 7>in Putin's or in Erdogan, you know, established autocracies, corruption

800
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:08.550
<v Speaker 7>is actually the way, it's like the fuel that lubricates

801
00:39:08.610 --> 00:39:12.849
<v Speaker 7>the system. And so we're starting this, and it's actually,

802
00:39:13.210 --> 00:39:16.670
<v Speaker 7>like everything else that's happened here, it's happened at top speed.

803
00:39:17.429 --> 00:39:20.010
<v Speaker 7>And last thing I'll say is it's not just about

804
00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:24.840
<v Speaker 7>making money. It's also about rolling back any kind of oversight, right?

805
00:39:25.230 --> 00:39:28.550
<v Speaker 7>So the Biden administration had passed a lot of laws,

806
00:39:28.610 --> 00:39:32.710
<v Speaker 7>including the corporate transparent act that marco rubio was so

807
00:39:32.769 --> 00:39:37.409
<v Speaker 7>proud of um to make sure that bagged out bad

808
00:39:37.530 --> 00:39:41.170
<v Speaker 7>actors couldn't be anonymous if they formed shell companies well

809
00:39:41.190 --> 00:39:44.530
<v Speaker 7>that's all been repealed and so they've been rolling back

810
00:39:44.610 --> 00:39:51.159
<v Speaker 7>stuff that prevents um corruption, including from foreign sources, Russian sources, etc.

811
00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:54.099
<v Speaker 7>And they've been having a free-for-all, and now we have

812
00:39:54.179 --> 00:39:58.780
<v Speaker 7>crypto and other ways of making money that have no regulation.

813
00:39:59.030 --> 00:40:02.889
<v Speaker 7>So it is unprecedented in American history, and I would

814
00:40:02.929 --> 00:40:05.489
<v Speaker 7>say in the history of democracies.

815
00:40:06.670 --> 00:40:08.309
<v Speaker 3>It really is. It's incredible.

816
00:40:08.630 --> 00:40:12.429
<v Speaker 1>And getting back to the not vanity, but insanity projects,

817
00:40:12.860 --> 00:40:15.659
<v Speaker 1>I guess Doug Burgum, the Interior Secretary, he just tweeted

818
00:40:15.699 --> 00:40:18.019
<v Speaker 1>this a short while ago. Apparently, they're going to try

819
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<v Speaker 1>to get started.

820
00:40:18.860 --> 00:40:20.199
<v Speaker 3>On this arch.

821
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<v Speaker 1>He says, we are pleased to announce that after a

822
00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:25.519
<v Speaker 1>very long wait, we are preparing to start over the

823
00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:28.679
<v Speaker 1>next two-week period the excavation work necessary for the Great

824
00:40:28.739 --> 00:40:32.920
<v Speaker 1>Triumphal Arch and Military Observation Deck at Memorial Circle on

825
00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:35.420
<v Speaker 1>Columbia Island between the Lincoln Memorial and so on. And

826
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:38.090
<v Speaker 1>for folks who may not understand the geography of this,

827
00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:40.639
<v Speaker 1>if you look through the arch there, you're looking at

828
00:40:40.739 --> 00:40:44.010
<v Speaker 1>Arlington National Cemetery. And a lot of veterans are upset

829
00:40:44.050 --> 00:40:46.280
<v Speaker 1>about this because this is going to spoil the view

830
00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:48.820
<v Speaker 1>of Arlington National Cemetery as you're coming across the Memorial

831
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<v Speaker 1>Bridge from the Lincoln Memorial. And they call it the

832
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<v Speaker 1>Great Triumphal Arch. But, Ruth, I mean, this is code

833
00:40:53.980 --> 00:40:56.219
<v Speaker 1>for the Great Trump Arch. I mean, this is obviously

834
00:40:56.260 --> 00:40:59.940
<v Speaker 1>a monument to himself, just like the White House ballroom is.

835
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:03.940
<v Speaker 1>And it is also another telltale sign of autocrats and

836
00:41:04.059 --> 00:41:04.940
<v Speaker 1>wannabe autocrats.

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<v Speaker 6>It's interesting. I didn't know it was supposed to.

838
00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:10.679
<v Speaker 7>I saw there that for the first time it's a

839
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<v Speaker 7>military observation deck.

840
00:41:12.539 --> 00:41:13.429
<v Speaker 3>I saw that.

841
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<v Speaker 7>And that is significant because there will also likely be

842
00:41:19.050 --> 00:41:27.599
<v Speaker 7>military posted there at a nice height to observe and

843
00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:30.820
<v Speaker 7>do whatever they need to do if there's unrest. So

844
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<v Speaker 7>the way I've been seeing this ballroom slash bunker for

845
00:41:35.219 --> 00:41:38.039
<v Speaker 7>a long time is through the lens of autocrat psychology.

846
00:41:38.619 --> 00:41:41.380
<v Speaker 7>So the ballroom was never the main point. It was

847
00:41:41.500 --> 00:41:44.360
<v Speaker 7>always what was beneath it. But the ballroom is his ego.

848
00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:47.679
<v Speaker 7>And it's the way he has a mechanism to have

849
00:41:47.780 --> 00:41:50.840
<v Speaker 7>parties so that donors can give him money and get

850
00:41:51.579 --> 00:41:55.119
<v Speaker 7>their wishes, right?

851
00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:55.679
<v Speaker 2>All of that.

852
00:41:55.719 --> 00:41:58.159
<v Speaker 6>That's a form of corruption, right? You pay to play.

853
00:41:58.699 --> 00:42:01.559
<v Speaker 6>So the ballroom is about that. So it's his ego.

854
00:42:02.019 --> 00:42:06.039
<v Speaker 7>But the bunker has always been about his deepest fears.

855
00:42:07.059 --> 00:42:10.840
<v Speaker 7>And in fact, the Washington Post did like a data-driven

856
00:42:10.900 --> 00:42:16.360
<v Speaker 7>investigation over a few months of what Trump talks about

857
00:42:16.429 --> 00:42:16.949
<v Speaker 7>the most.

858
00:42:17.389 --> 00:42:18.090
<v Speaker 6>And guess what?

859
00:42:18.369 --> 00:42:22.929
<v Speaker 7>It's his ballroom slash bunker because it's his fears. And

860
00:42:22.949 --> 00:42:25.869
<v Speaker 7>the way he talks about it is super interesting. He

861
00:42:25.969 --> 00:42:30.250
<v Speaker 7>talks about it having anti-sniper capabilities, He talks about being

862
00:42:30.269 --> 00:42:32.809
<v Speaker 7>in a hospital. And now we hear it's going to

863
00:42:32.829 --> 00:42:34.769
<v Speaker 7>have a data center. It's going to be like a

864
00:42:34.809 --> 00:42:38.940
<v Speaker 7>little world unto itself in which he feels safe.

865
00:42:39.739 --> 00:42:41.739
<v Speaker 1>And a drone port on top.

866
00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:42.400
<v Speaker 3>He's talked about this.

867
00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:43.440
<v Speaker 6>A drone port.

868
00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:44.539
<v Speaker 2>Exactly.

869
00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:46.460
<v Speaker 6>So this is all to protect him.

870
00:42:46.619 --> 00:42:49.829
<v Speaker 7>So he has a place to go because that's what

871
00:42:49.909 --> 00:42:54.110
<v Speaker 7>he most cares about. And it's really incredible, Jim, because

872
00:42:54.670 --> 00:42:58.110
<v Speaker 7>in Strongman, my book, I have an endings chapter. And

873
00:42:58.269 --> 00:43:02.280
<v Speaker 7>all of them, have these palaces and with bunkers underneath

874
00:43:02.449 --> 00:43:06.949
<v Speaker 7>and they retreat there when they feel threatened or they

875
00:43:06.989 --> 00:43:10.389
<v Speaker 7>retreat into their palaces and they're arming themselves like Lukashenko

876
00:43:10.449 --> 00:43:15.340
<v Speaker 7>during the protest, you know, peaceful, peaceful protesters were marching

877
00:43:15.380 --> 00:43:18.780
<v Speaker 7>toward the palace and he, you know, gotten a helicopter

878
00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:21.809
<v Speaker 7>on the grounds of his palace and he had like a,

879
00:43:21.820 --> 00:43:25.139
<v Speaker 7>a assault rifle in hand and he goes up to

880
00:43:25.179 --> 00:43:29.110
<v Speaker 7>look at them. These people are, living in fear. And

881
00:43:29.190 --> 00:43:33.590
<v Speaker 7>so Trump, again, this is the desperation. He's totally focused

882
00:43:33.789 --> 00:43:36.860
<v Speaker 7>on having somewhere to hide where he will be protected.

883
00:43:38.059 --> 00:43:39.159
<v Speaker 3>No, that makes perfect sense.

884
00:43:39.219 --> 00:43:41.840
<v Speaker 1>And I tell people all the time, I mean, it

885
00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:45.980
<v Speaker 1>was a miracle that he left office willingly the last

886
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:49.079
<v Speaker 1>time around. I mean, he was just about dragged out

887
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:51.760
<v Speaker 1>kicking and screaming. They had to set up a whole

888
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:54.960
<v Speaker 1>departure ceremony for him. I was at that departure ceremony

889
00:43:55.019 --> 00:43:58.010
<v Speaker 1>at Joint Base Andrews because he was such a crybaby

890
00:43:58.050 --> 00:44:00.230
<v Speaker 1>that he would not go to the inauguration of Joe

891
00:44:00.250 --> 00:44:03.349
<v Speaker 1>Biden like Jimmy Carter did with Ronald Reagan and George H.W.

892
00:44:03.369 --> 00:44:05.929
<v Speaker 1>Bush did with Bill Clinton. And that I mean, that

893
00:44:06.130 --> 00:44:08.070
<v Speaker 1>is an extraordinary thing that people need to keep in mind.

894
00:44:08.150 --> 00:44:11.010
<v Speaker 1>And I totally agree with you. This bunker thing, this

895
00:44:11.110 --> 00:44:14.190
<v Speaker 1>bunker mentality that he may he may find himself in,

896
00:44:14.750 --> 00:44:17.550
<v Speaker 1>especially if there's a massive shellacking in the midterms. He's

897
00:44:17.570 --> 00:44:20.699
<v Speaker 1>a lame duck. There's gridlock in Washington. He can't get

898
00:44:20.739 --> 00:44:23.090
<v Speaker 1>anything done. And then he and Stephen Miller and those

899
00:44:23.139 --> 00:44:24.960
<v Speaker 1>types get more and more desperate.

900
00:44:25.820 --> 00:44:26.460
<v Speaker 3>And there's no.

901
00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:29.769
<v Speaker 1>Guarantee that he leaves willingly the next time. I remember

902
00:44:29.789 --> 00:44:31.630
<v Speaker 1>last time Nancy Pelosi was talking about, well, we might

903
00:44:31.650 --> 00:44:34.030
<v Speaker 1>have to run the White House out of another building

904
00:44:34.329 --> 00:44:36.769
<v Speaker 1>if he doesn't want to leave. I think those are

905
00:44:36.829 --> 00:44:39.230
<v Speaker 1>real scenarios that we need to grapple with.

906
00:44:40.809 --> 00:44:44.139
<v Speaker 7>Oh, yeah, because, you know, many people, not us, have

907
00:44:44.300 --> 00:44:46.010
<v Speaker 7>amnesia about January 6th.

908
00:44:46.659 --> 00:44:47.239
<v Speaker 3>Yes.

909
00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:49.000
<v Speaker 6>And they've rewritten that history.

910
00:44:49.340 --> 00:44:53.179
<v Speaker 7>But this was a direct, you know, a direct flow

911
00:44:53.340 --> 00:44:56.260
<v Speaker 7>out of him trying not to leave and trying to

912
00:44:56.360 --> 00:45:00.679
<v Speaker 7>overturn the election. And I agree with you, you know,

913
00:45:00.900 --> 00:45:05.309
<v Speaker 7>not showing up to Biden's inauguration, actually, from a propaganda standpoint,

914
00:45:05.369 --> 00:45:08.610
<v Speaker 7>was very smart of him because he actually pulled off

915
00:45:08.690 --> 00:45:13.429
<v Speaker 7>this very unusual feat where he kept his personality cult

916
00:45:13.489 --> 00:45:16.260
<v Speaker 7>going and while he was out of office for four years.

917
00:45:16.820 --> 00:45:20.760
<v Speaker 7>And he kept indoctrinating people so they actually thought that

918
00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:25.380
<v Speaker 7>he was the rightful president and that Biden was illegitimate,

919
00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:30.099
<v Speaker 7>an imposter. And so he's played this all so that

920
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:31.820
<v Speaker 7>he keeps his legitimacy.

921
00:45:32.139 --> 00:45:34.630
<v Speaker 6>The problem is now he's losing his legitimacy.

922
00:45:34.690 --> 00:45:38.619
<v Speaker 7>That's how in political science they often talk about When

923
00:45:39.230 --> 00:45:42.050
<v Speaker 7>autocrats start to go down and you can have elite

924
00:45:42.070 --> 00:45:45.030
<v Speaker 7>defections of people from the party and stuff, when they

925
00:45:45.090 --> 00:45:51.210
<v Speaker 7>lose their legitimacy because they're having economic difficulty, they're being

926
00:45:51.289 --> 00:45:57.280
<v Speaker 7>too corrupt or too openly corrupt. Like Trump, he doesn't care.

927
00:45:57.070 --> 00:45:57.780
<v Speaker 6>If people know.

928
00:45:57.800 --> 00:45:59.420
<v Speaker 3>He doesn't care now.

929
00:45:59.780 --> 00:46:02.519
<v Speaker 6>He's boasting about it. And that's why you have that

930
00:46:02.619 --> 00:46:03.599
<v Speaker 6>high polling rate.

931
00:46:04.050 --> 00:46:07.579
<v Speaker 7>Where, you know, people are like, hey, he's not supposed,

932
00:46:07.739 --> 00:46:09.880
<v Speaker 7>even his backers are like, he's not supposed to boast

933
00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:10.309
<v Speaker 7>about it.

934
00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:11.099
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

935
00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:15.320
<v Speaker 1>You know, it makes me wonder what would happen if

936
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:17.599
<v Speaker 1>he just flat out refuses to leave the next time.

937
00:46:17.699 --> 00:46:19.519
<v Speaker 1>You know, I mean, and I really think he could

938
00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:21.840
<v Speaker 1>try to game out a scenario where he runs for

939
00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:24.460
<v Speaker 1>a third term. I mean, I know he's, I mean,

940
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:26.139
<v Speaker 1>I saw the video of him last night.

941
00:46:26.159 --> 00:46:28.429
<v Speaker 3>He looked really sweaty. He does not look good. He

942
00:46:28.449 --> 00:46:29.750
<v Speaker 3>does not look like he's in good health.

943
00:46:30.230 --> 00:46:31.889
<v Speaker 1>But that doesn't mean he doesn't try to just cobble

944
00:46:31.929 --> 00:46:35.309
<v Speaker 1>something together and try to just run again and not leave.

945
00:46:35.929 --> 00:46:38.650
<v Speaker 1>What do we do as a country, Ruth?

946
00:46:40.269 --> 00:46:44.469
<v Speaker 7>I'm not sure what would happen, but it's entirely consistent

947
00:46:44.510 --> 00:46:49.090
<v Speaker 7>with autocratic psychology that they never back down. I wrote

948
00:46:49.130 --> 00:46:53.500
<v Speaker 7>a New York Times op-ed. It came out February 1st,

949
00:46:53.739 --> 00:46:57.639
<v Speaker 7>and it was about what I call autocratic backfire. Because

950
00:46:57.739 --> 00:47:02.280
<v Speaker 7>when they make mistakes... they don't course correct like other

951
00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:06.110
<v Speaker 7>types of politicians. They double down. They never admit mistakes.

952
00:47:06.860 --> 00:47:11.010
<v Speaker 7>And so he is never going to do what Orban did.

953
00:47:11.030 --> 00:47:14.349
<v Speaker 7>And it was a miracle that Orban conceded. And he

954
00:47:14.389 --> 00:47:17.769
<v Speaker 7>conceded within two hours. He didn't have to concede within

955
00:47:17.829 --> 00:47:21.030
<v Speaker 7>two hours, but he did. But Trump's not going to

956
00:47:21.090 --> 00:47:23.989
<v Speaker 7>do that. There's too much at stake. And he's been

957
00:47:24.050 --> 00:47:28.730
<v Speaker 7>through too many, you know, impeachment processes, and he's terrified

958
00:47:28.769 --> 00:47:33.329
<v Speaker 7>of being held accountable. Um, and so we, we should

959
00:47:33.409 --> 00:47:37.269
<v Speaker 7>be prepared, uh, for him to try and run again.

960
00:47:37.289 --> 00:47:40.349
<v Speaker 7>That's why Steve Bannon and so many people are putting

961
00:47:40.389 --> 00:47:43.329
<v Speaker 7>it as their role to put out these extreme ideas

962
00:47:43.650 --> 00:47:44.789
<v Speaker 7>that he's the exception.

963
00:47:45.090 --> 00:47:46.630
<v Speaker 6>He doesn't have to obey the rules.

964
00:47:47.670 --> 00:47:52.489
<v Speaker 7>Um, And we should all also be prepared that if

965
00:47:52.550 --> 00:47:57.059
<v Speaker 7>he lost, he wouldn't leave because that would be consistent

966
00:47:57.199 --> 00:47:59.539
<v Speaker 7>with the behavior of many autocrats.

967
00:48:00.059 --> 00:48:00.360
<v Speaker 3>Right.

968
00:48:00.940 --> 00:48:03.420
<v Speaker 1>And getting to the here and now, the upcoming midterms,

969
00:48:03.940 --> 00:48:06.460
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I really think that he is, you know,

970
00:48:07.179 --> 00:48:11.059
<v Speaker 1>going after mail-in ballots, the possibility of ICE. going to

971
00:48:11.099 --> 00:48:14.000
<v Speaker 1>the polls, maybe even the National Guard and so on

972
00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:16.260
<v Speaker 1>in certain Republican states where you might have a MAGA

973
00:48:16.300 --> 00:48:18.639
<v Speaker 1>governor who says, OK, sure, send the National Guard out.

974
00:48:19.530 --> 00:48:21.969
<v Speaker 1>I think in Texas, they're talking about restricting the number

975
00:48:21.989 --> 00:48:25.889
<v Speaker 1>of polls this next time around. And I mean, a

976
00:48:25.929 --> 00:48:28.150
<v Speaker 1>lot of this could get tied up in court. And

977
00:48:28.170 --> 00:48:31.090
<v Speaker 1>I just wonder if part of his thinking, part of

978
00:48:31.150 --> 00:48:34.389
<v Speaker 1>what they're gaming out is sort of what they did

979
00:48:34.610 --> 00:48:37.539
<v Speaker 1>after the 2020 election, where they tried to throw everything

980
00:48:37.579 --> 00:48:39.460
<v Speaker 1>into so much chaos, get it so tangled up in

981
00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:41.920
<v Speaker 1>the courts that it made it. sort of uncertain as

982
00:48:41.960 --> 00:48:44.039
<v Speaker 1>to what was actually the result of the election when,

983
00:48:44.059 --> 00:48:44.920
<v Speaker 1>of course, Joe Biden.

984
00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:45.300
<v Speaker 3>Won the election.

985
00:48:45.780 --> 00:48:47.659
<v Speaker 1>And maybe they're trying to do that in advance of

986
00:48:47.679 --> 00:48:50.840
<v Speaker 1>the midterms this time around, throw so much chaos at

987
00:48:50.889 --> 00:48:54.090
<v Speaker 1>the courts, get things tangled up in knots. This race

988
00:48:54.130 --> 00:48:57.570
<v Speaker 1>over here, we can't really concede that race. That Senate

989
00:48:57.610 --> 00:49:00.389
<v Speaker 1>seat over there, we can't concede that. And they try

990
00:49:00.409 --> 00:49:03.409
<v Speaker 1>to delay the seating of a new Congress. They try

991
00:49:03.449 --> 00:49:05.360
<v Speaker 1>to take it to the Supreme Court and just cause

992
00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:09.820
<v Speaker 1>this 52-car pileup in our democracy. I don't think that's

993
00:49:09.940 --> 00:49:14.789
<v Speaker 1>a No.

994
00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:17.969
<v Speaker 7>Because what autocrats do is that they interfere with the

995
00:49:18.050 --> 00:49:23.239
<v Speaker 7>entire chain of election. So they make it more intimidating

996
00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:26.800
<v Speaker 7>and difficult to vote in the first place. Also, they've

997
00:49:26.860 --> 00:49:29.670
<v Speaker 7>already delegitimized.

998
00:49:28.710 --> 00:49:32.429
<v Speaker 6>Elections in the minds of many people. Oh, it's all corrupt.

999
00:49:32.829 --> 00:49:34.769
<v Speaker 6>I'm not going to vote. So they've done that.

1000
00:49:35.340 --> 00:49:40.489
<v Speaker 7>Then they try and threaten people. During the Biden years,

1001
00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:45.010
<v Speaker 7>I followed all these Republican state proposals for what they

1002
00:49:45.030 --> 00:49:46.590
<v Speaker 7>wanted to do with poll watchers.

1003
00:49:46.889 --> 00:49:47.250
<v Speaker 3>Right.

1004
00:49:47.789 --> 00:49:48.969
<v Speaker 6>Some of them were insane.

1005
00:49:49.010 --> 00:49:52.389
<v Speaker 7>There was one that didn't pass in Texas where an

1006
00:49:52.570 --> 00:49:54.829
<v Speaker 7>armed poll watcher was going to be able to come

1007
00:49:54.869 --> 00:49:58.030
<v Speaker 7>in somebody's car if you were disabled or you were

1008
00:49:58.050 --> 00:49:58.510
<v Speaker 7>going to vote.

1009
00:49:58.880 --> 00:49:59.639
<v Speaker 6>I kid you not.

1010
00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:01.300
<v Speaker 3>Unbelievable.

1011
00:50:01.989 --> 00:50:02.670
<v Speaker 6>Stuff like that.

1012
00:50:03.030 --> 00:50:05.650
<v Speaker 7>So we have to, you know, all these things. So

1013
00:50:05.670 --> 00:50:09.369
<v Speaker 7>those are all the tricks before the voting, during the voting.

1014
00:50:09.889 --> 00:50:16.380
<v Speaker 7>And then there's calling fraud, losing, between air quotes, ballots.

1015
00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:22.659
<v Speaker 7>There's the, remember, never rule out the Chinese, you know,

1016
00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:26.639
<v Speaker 7>the Chinese narrative that there's like, you know, so.

1017
00:50:26.579 --> 00:50:27.519
<v Speaker 6>There's that stuff.

1018
00:50:28.170 --> 00:50:32.550
<v Speaker 7>And then what autocrats do is they refuse to seat

1019
00:50:33.159 --> 00:50:36.800
<v Speaker 7>the victors from the opposition. Or if you're further down

1020
00:50:36.860 --> 00:50:41.659
<v Speaker 7>the autocrat road, you actually remove people who are already elected.

1021
00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:45.110
<v Speaker 7>Erdogan does that all the time. He just removes people.

1022
00:50:45.929 --> 00:50:50.230
<v Speaker 7>He removes Kurdish politicians, he strips them of their seats.

1023
00:50:50.329 --> 00:50:51.409
<v Speaker 7>And Bukele has been.

1024
00:50:51.289 --> 00:50:54.710
<v Speaker 6>Doing that too. So the whole chain of voting.

1025
00:50:55.480 --> 00:51:01.050
<v Speaker 7>is tampered with when you have a government in which

1026
00:51:01.110 --> 00:51:05.570
<v Speaker 7>corruption is institutionalized. Because election denial, I actually see it

1027
00:51:05.630 --> 00:51:08.929
<v Speaker 7>as a form of corruption. It's really important to know

1028
00:51:08.969 --> 00:51:14.010
<v Speaker 7>this when you see politicians who are still saying that

1029
00:51:14.130 --> 00:51:17.869
<v Speaker 7>Trump won the 2020 election. The reason I call it

1030
00:51:17.909 --> 00:51:21.010
<v Speaker 7>corruption is that it means that people have colluded and

1031
00:51:21.250 --> 00:51:25.070
<v Speaker 7>decided together, in this case as a whole party, to

1032
00:51:25.110 --> 00:51:28.070
<v Speaker 7>tell a lie to the American people. It's a form

1033
00:51:28.110 --> 00:51:31.719
<v Speaker 7>of collusion. It's a form of deception and they're lying

1034
00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:34.480
<v Speaker 7>to the American people. And that's become the party line.

1035
00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:37.699
<v Speaker 7>In fact, you can't, you can't even get a government

1036
00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:40.570
<v Speaker 7>job now if you don't answer the question properly.

1037
00:51:41.340 --> 00:51:41.550
<v Speaker 5>Right.

1038
00:51:41.570 --> 00:51:42.849
<v Speaker 6>We've had all that too.

1039
00:51:43.030 --> 00:51:44.210
<v Speaker 3>Even judicial nominees.

1040
00:51:44.409 --> 00:51:45.369
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's right.

1041
00:51:45.570 --> 00:51:45.829
<v Speaker 2>People.

1042
00:51:45.889 --> 00:51:47.869
<v Speaker 1>And I mean, not just like, you know, somebody who's

1043
00:51:47.949 --> 00:51:49.829
<v Speaker 1>going to be in charge of the fish and wildlife service,

1044
00:51:49.889 --> 00:51:56.400
<v Speaker 1>no big deal. But I mean, like, judicial nominees, cabinet secretaries.

1045
00:51:56.639 --> 00:52:00.400
<v Speaker 1>It's terrifying stuff. And when I was talking to Hunter

1046
00:52:00.429 --> 00:52:04.159
<v Speaker 1>Biden about this and hearing your comments earlier about resistance

1047
00:52:04.219 --> 00:52:06.650
<v Speaker 1>and how we have all the elements falling into place

1048
00:52:06.710 --> 00:52:09.440
<v Speaker 1>for a resistance movement in this country, which by the way,

1049
00:52:09.469 --> 00:52:13.110
<v Speaker 1>is not a dirty word. I wonder if it will take,

1050
00:52:13.309 --> 00:52:15.010
<v Speaker 1>if he does try to steal the midterms and they

1051
00:52:15.050 --> 00:52:17.789
<v Speaker 1>do try to deny the vote, deny the will of

1052
00:52:17.829 --> 00:52:21.909
<v Speaker 1>the American people, will it take people taking to the streets.

1053
00:52:22.510 --> 00:52:25.590
<v Speaker 1>And I don't mean like rioting or what they did

1054
00:52:25.769 --> 00:52:28.650
<v Speaker 1>on January 6th. I'm talking about what they've done in

1055
00:52:28.690 --> 00:52:32.849
<v Speaker 1>places like Hungary and other places where people seeking freedom

1056
00:52:32.989 --> 00:52:36.849
<v Speaker 1>just mobilize, take to the streets peacefully, respectfully, and say,

1057
00:52:36.889 --> 00:52:39.110
<v Speaker 1>we're not leaving. Or they just don't go to work

1058
00:52:39.250 --> 00:52:42.030
<v Speaker 1>in blue states and just have a general strike. And

1059
00:52:42.150 --> 00:52:44.530
<v Speaker 1>I just wonder if it's going to take something like

1060
00:52:44.570 --> 00:52:47.599
<v Speaker 1>that in this country to get the message across. You're

1061
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<v Speaker 1>not going to tear this country apart. You're just not

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<v Speaker 1>going to do it.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, it could indeed take that. And certainly this might

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<v Speaker 7>be an occasion. And it's very important that civil resistance

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<v Speaker 7>remains nonviolent. There's a ton of studies that show why

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<v Speaker 7>you need to remain nonviolent because you alienate allies. Also,

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<v Speaker 7>there's the question of violence in itself, not good. So

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<v Speaker 7>it's strategic, it's moral. And most of the resistance around

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<v Speaker 7>the world that we hear about, including the big mobilizations

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<v Speaker 7>before elections, like in Hungary and Poland, 2023, they are nonviolent.

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<v Speaker 7>And they have been the biggest mass demonstrations that those

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<v Speaker 7>countries have seen in decades.

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<v Speaker 6>And so.

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<v Speaker 7>We're a very decentralized, very large country. So we may

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<v Speaker 7>not see one mobilization on the Capitol, but it's decentralized today, resistance,

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<v Speaker 7>especially here. But we may see that and also forms

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<v Speaker 7>of labor, work stoppages and strikes. Those are time-tested tools

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<v Speaker 7>in the resistance kit to protest.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think it's something that folks need to keep

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<v Speaker 1>in mind and absolutely do it peacefully, respectfully. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we are all Americans, but if they're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>respect the process, I think it could come to that.

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<v Speaker 1>But Ruth, always great to catch up. We had such

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<v Speaker 1>a wonderful conversation. We covered so much ground. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much for doing it. It's always a treat to

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<v Speaker 1>have you on. And I know you're so busy, but

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, it's a delight to talk to you, Jim.

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<v Speaker 3>Good to be with you. All right.

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<v Speaker 1>Check out Ruth's Substack Lucid, her book, Strong Men. which

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<v Speaker 1>as she mentioned during the interview has been updated, of course,

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00:54:44.110 --> 00:54:46.389
<v Speaker 1>to include lots of stuff on Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course he would be in that book.

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<v Speaker 1>But before we go, I do want to say just

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<v Speaker 1>very quickly, you know, and I do think we need

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<v Speaker 1>to start having this conversation as a people in this country.

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<v Speaker 3>What are we going to do?

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, what we're going to do is we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to mobilize and organize and register and get ourselves

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<v Speaker 1>in a position to where we are going to vote

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<v Speaker 1>in mass in this country. And we're going to have

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00:55:14.150 --> 00:55:16.369
<v Speaker 1>a plan to vote. We're going to have a plan

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<v Speaker 1>going into this.

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<v Speaker 3>Fall to vote. If you typically vote with.

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00:55:20.449 --> 00:55:22.800
<v Speaker 1>A mail-in ballot and your state is run by a

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00:55:22.860 --> 00:55:25.880
<v Speaker 1>kooky governor who may work in cahoots with Donald Trump

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00:55:25.900 --> 00:55:28.659
<v Speaker 1>to stop that from taking place, you and your friends

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00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:31.300
<v Speaker 1>are going to have to come up with an alternative plan.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going to have to find out when the early

1111
00:55:33.440 --> 00:55:35.880
<v Speaker 1>voting starts. You're going to have to make a decision

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<v Speaker 1>as to whether you get out in the parking lot

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<v Speaker 1>at six in the morning. And It just may be

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<v Speaker 1>uncomfortable for the two weeks around the election where we're

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<v Speaker 1>early voting in mass and we're voting in person in

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00:55:48.610 --> 00:55:53.849
<v Speaker 1>mass to make sure they cannot stop the vote. They

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00:55:53.909 --> 00:56:00.039
<v Speaker 1>cannot stop this democracy. They cannot stop accountability. They cannot

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<v Speaker 1>stop the American people speaking with all of our voices

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<v Speaker 1>that this nonsense is not going to stand. 89% of

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<v Speaker 1>the American people believe that there is corruption on a

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00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:14.559
<v Speaker 1>widespread scale inside the U.S.

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<v Speaker 3>Government.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that poll number alone, I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>show it again one more time.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Gallup, folks.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not some fly-by-night polling thing. Record high, 89%

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00:56:24.090 --> 00:56:29.519
<v Speaker 1>in the United States say government corruption is widespread. Substantial

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00:56:29.579 --> 00:56:33.539
<v Speaker 1>majorities of Republicans, Democrats, and independents agree. 89% of the

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00:56:33.559 --> 00:56:38.989
<v Speaker 1>American people They barely agree on anything. We 89% love

1130
00:56:39.010 --> 00:56:42.230
<v Speaker 1>Dolly Parton, and I think that's it. But we also

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00:56:42.289 --> 00:56:46.849
<v Speaker 1>believe that government corruption is widespread in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>Think about that. Absorb that information for a moment. That

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00:56:51.639 --> 00:56:55.860
<v Speaker 1>we now live in a corruption bonanza. We're swimming in

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00:56:55.900 --> 00:57:00.730
<v Speaker 1>an ocean of corruption, courtesy of Donald Trump. And I

1135
00:57:00.769 --> 00:57:02.329
<v Speaker 1>think that's going to drive a lot of people to

1136
00:57:02.349 --> 00:57:03.829
<v Speaker 1>the polls this fall. I think it's part of the

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00:57:03.849 --> 00:57:07.030
<v Speaker 1>reason why Jared Kushner reached out to Hakeem Jeffries. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we're going to see more of these kinds of

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00:57:08.849 --> 00:57:12.429
<v Speaker 1>episodes between now and then because the Republicans know what's coming.

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00:57:12.539 --> 00:57:15.199
<v Speaker 1>They know that Hakeem Jeffries is likely going to be

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00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:18.380
<v Speaker 1>the Speaker of the House come next year. And they

1142
00:57:18.420 --> 00:57:21.480
<v Speaker 1>know that there are going to be investigations. And that

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00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:24.079
<v Speaker 1>is why the Republicans, you're not going to see any

1144
00:57:24.139 --> 00:57:30.070
<v Speaker 1>endangered Republicans at this Trumpapalooza down in Texas next week.

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<v Speaker 1>They're going to stay away from that like it's one

1146
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<v Speaker 1>of R.K.

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00:57:33.579 --> 00:57:33.880
<v Speaker 7>Jr.

1148
00:57:33.880 --> 00:57:37.480
<v Speaker 1>'s measles outbreaks. That's how they're going to avoid that.

1149
00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:42.590
<v Speaker 1>They're going to avoid that like the plague. And so

1150
00:57:42.690 --> 00:57:44.730
<v Speaker 1>they know what's coming. That is why it is so

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00:57:44.769 --> 00:57:48.349
<v Speaker 1>vitally important that you just reassure yourself. And I've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about this on the show. I'm going to talk about

1153
00:57:49.610 --> 00:57:53.650
<v Speaker 1>it again. You can reassure yourself that we can outlast this,

1154
00:57:54.289 --> 00:57:57.909
<v Speaker 1>that we can outlast this moment, that this moment will pass.

1155
00:57:58.739 --> 00:58:01.880
<v Speaker 1>But it's going to pass if all of us do

1156
00:58:02.099 --> 00:58:07.820
<v Speaker 1>our job and vote and make it stick. And make

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<v Speaker 1>it stick. Make sure that the people in power understand.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Johnson, you are not going to steal this election.

1159
00:58:14.849 --> 00:58:17.269
<v Speaker 1>John Thune, you are not going to steal this election.

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump, J.D. Vance, you are not going to steal

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00:58:20.730 --> 00:58:23.929
<v Speaker 1>this election. Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, you are not going

1162
00:58:23.969 --> 00:58:28.190
<v Speaker 1>to steal this election. It's not happening. You're going to try.

1163
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<v Speaker 1>We know you're going to try. You're going to keep

1164
00:58:30.869 --> 00:58:34.030
<v Speaker 1>screwing with the mail-in ballots. And Donald Trump's going to

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<v Speaker 1>keep hyperventilating, getting all sweaty. And with that, whatever that

1166
00:58:40.610 --> 00:58:42.170
<v Speaker 1>shit is he puts on his face, he's going to

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00:58:42.210 --> 00:58:46.360
<v Speaker 1>get real sweaty between now and November. He's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be sweating. He's going to be sweating big time. But

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00:58:51.659 --> 00:58:54.280
<v Speaker 1>we're going to make him sweat. Remember the old commercial?

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<v Speaker 1>Never let him see you sweat. If he had nothing

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00:58:57.599 --> 00:59:00.579
<v Speaker 1>to worry about, he wouldn't be so sweaty. He wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be so sleepy during the middle of the day. He

1173
00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:04.699
<v Speaker 1>can't sleep at night. He can't sleep.

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<v Speaker 3>Can't sleep. That's why he's.

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<v Speaker 1>Napping in the Oval Office on a regular basis because

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<v Speaker 1>he can't sleep. at night because he knows what's coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Accountability is coming. Democracy is coming. The voters are coming.

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<v Speaker 1>The ballots are coming.

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<v Speaker 3>The truth is coming. And they can't handle it. They

1180
00:59:23.119 --> 00:59:23.869
<v Speaker 3>cannot handle it.

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<v Speaker 1>And if it means taking it to the streets peacefully, nonviolently,

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<v Speaker 1>not like the criminals and thugs on January 6th, but

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00:59:33.000 --> 00:59:36.719
<v Speaker 1>real American resistance, then that's what's going to take place.

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<v Speaker 3>Because you're not going to avoid what's coming. Accountability. Accountability

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<v Speaker 3>is coming.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to thank Hunter Biden for coming on the

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<v Speaker 1>show today. Ruth Van Giet, terrific show today. Everybody, make

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<v Speaker 1>Look at all the monkey business over at CBS and

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<v Speaker 1>60 Minutes. Look at all that crazy, crazy shit. And

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01:00:17.030 --> 01:00:19.150
<v Speaker 1>those people want to take over CNN. Look what's happening

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<v Speaker 1>It makes it makes very certain that we can keep

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<v Speaker 1>and every day. But in the meantime, still reporting from Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Jim McCostell.

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