WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.640 --> 00:00:01.840 Well there was that. Again. 2 00:00:01.879 --> 00:00:03.279 You and I are the only people old enough to 3 00:00:03.319 --> 00:00:05.280 remember this, but there was that. One of my favorite 4 00:00:05.280 --> 00:00:07.719 Andy Griff of scenes. When you know Ronnie Howard at 5 00:00:07.759 --> 00:00:10.000 four years old, Loksander says, what do you learn in school? 6 00:00:10.080 --> 00:00:10.519 Day? Hope? 7 00:00:10.560 --> 00:00:15.880 He says, uh, I learned pie are squared? Sheriff Andy says, 8 00:00:15.960 --> 00:00:19.640 well that's wrong, Ope, pie are round, cornbread or square. 9 00:00:20.280 --> 00:00:25.359 Ask not what your country can do for you, Ask 10 00:00:25.480 --> 00:00:30.399 what you can do for your country. Mister Gorbachoff, tear 11 00:00:30.679 --> 00:00:31.879 down this wall. 12 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:36.759 It's the Record Shape podcast with Stephen Eyward and Charles C. W. Cook. 13 00:00:36.799 --> 00:00:41.920 I'm James Lollace today, Iran Mondami Minnesota and more So, 14 00:00:42.039 --> 00:00:43.439 let's have risols a podcast. 15 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:48.079 We will draw this city closer together. We will replace 16 00:00:48.119 --> 00:00:53.039 the frigidity of rugged individualism with the warmth of collectivism. 17 00:00:53.200 --> 00:00:57.359 If our campaign demonstrated that the people of New York 18 00:00:57.439 --> 00:01:01.520 yearn for solidarity, then let this government welcome everybody. 19 00:01:01.560 --> 00:01:05.000 It's the Ricochet Podcast, number seven seventy one. Why don't 20 00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:06.920 you join it? I said, ricochet dot com. Why don't 21 00:01:06.920 --> 00:01:08.519 you just why? I want to be part of the 22 00:01:08.519 --> 00:01:11.840 most stimulating conversation and community on the web. That's why. 23 00:01:12.040 --> 00:01:14.760 I'm James, Lilyax and I'm joined because I'm falling apart 24 00:01:14.840 --> 00:01:18.200 by Stephen Hayward. Stephen, Hello, Hi James, how are you? 25 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:19.400 Uh? 26 00:01:20.200 --> 00:01:22.879 Fraud question? Maybe Charlie can answer that. Charlie will be 27 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:25.439 along in just a little bit here. How am i? 28 00:01:25.120 --> 00:01:28.239 I'm I'm in Minnesota once again, the episode of the 29 00:01:29.079 --> 00:01:32.840 stuff about about which we are not happy. Let's go 30 00:01:33.040 --> 00:01:36.439 right to it. Everybody has been doing the Zappruder bit 31 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:40.319 on the film back into the left frame by frame analysis, 32 00:01:40.319 --> 00:01:43.159 trying to figure out where they stand on this issue. 33 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:46.079 I refer, of course, to the shooting of a woman 34 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:49.719 who was interfering in the protest of a nice apprehension, 35 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:53.319 and I will ask you what you thought. I have 36 00:01:53.480 --> 00:01:56.879 read a lot of nuanced commentary on this, and I 37 00:01:56.920 --> 00:01:59.319 say nuanced because it generally aligns with what I think 38 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:02.239 I've read in flammatory common I say inflammatory because I 39 00:02:02.239 --> 00:02:05.840 don't agree with it naturally. I have this sensible, moderate, 40 00:02:06.439 --> 00:02:09.240 clever position here, and I'm wondering if yours is the same. 41 00:02:11.039 --> 00:02:13.120 I don't think there's a sensible modern position on this. 42 00:02:13.159 --> 00:02:15.000 I think we're divided into two camps. I mean, there 43 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:17.280 are some cooler heads in the middle. I thought, Charlie, 44 00:02:17.360 --> 00:02:19.159 I can speak for him, since he's not here, wrote 45 00:02:19.159 --> 00:02:22.719 a very good, very sober piece weighing all the different 46 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:25.319 aspects of this for a national view one line, and 47 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:27.719 maybe we can get him to reprise some of that 48 00:02:27.800 --> 00:02:31.520 when he joins us. I also worry about I mean, 49 00:02:31.560 --> 00:02:34.240 I've seen several different angles. Also, I am a little 50 00:02:34.240 --> 00:02:36.879 worried about whether we're going to get some fakes right, 51 00:02:36.919 --> 00:02:39.520 you know, the AI stuff these days. That wouldn't surprise me, 52 00:02:39.560 --> 00:02:41.719 because I've seen a couple. I thought, huh, that doesn't 53 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:44.520 look quite like the other angle. But you know, we 54 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:47.159 all know, racham on, everything looks different from which corner 55 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:47.879 of the street you're on. 56 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:49.479 So I. 57 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:54.479 Think sort of the you know, beyond the particular aspects 58 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:56.879 of this thing that happens in a split second, are 59 00:02:56.879 --> 00:03:01.599 some of the wider issues of where does the culpability 60 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:09.199 lie for organizing resistance to federal government law enforcement officers? 61 00:03:10.719 --> 00:03:13.199 And I connect this, This is an opening thought. I 62 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:15.759 connect this to the fact that we have been allowing 63 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:18.879 protests to go unpunished for quite a while. People blocking 64 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:23.719 streets to airports and blocking streets and just the blocking 65 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:26.400 streets part of it because you want to stop climate change, 66 00:03:26.400 --> 00:03:28.560 and most of those people have gone unpunished, and so 67 00:03:28.599 --> 00:03:33.120 it shouldn't surprise us that we escalate to something awful 68 00:03:33.319 --> 00:03:36.520 like this. But I also will say, and I think 69 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:39.919 some listeners will find us harsh or maybe outrageous. 70 00:03:41.400 --> 00:03:42.400 Well, let's go back to James. 71 00:03:42.439 --> 00:03:45.520 You will remember that in the Chicago Convention of nineteen 72 00:03:45.560 --> 00:03:48.360 sixty eight, Tom Hayden and all the organizers of that 73 00:03:48.639 --> 00:03:53.439 they wanted to provoke police violence on purpose, and you know, 74 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:56.039 they got it right, the so called police riot, as 75 00:03:56.120 --> 00:03:59.080 was later called, even though public opinion polls showed that 76 00:03:59.120 --> 00:04:01.960 a majority of Americans were on the side of the police, 77 00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:05.599 as they were two years later for those poor young 78 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:08.840 National guardsmen who fired on and killed four students at 79 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:11.680 Kent State in Ohio, public opinion was on the side 80 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:14.280 of the National guardsmen because they thought, you know, these hippies, 81 00:04:14.639 --> 00:04:17.560 these bombs, as Nixon called, and remember the fuss about 82 00:04:17.639 --> 00:04:18.800 Nixon calling them bombs. 83 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:22.000 So here we are. And I do think that if 84 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:22.319 we're going. 85 00:04:22.279 --> 00:04:25.040 To talk about okay, you know ice and the police, 86 00:04:25.079 --> 00:04:28.639 and you know one are the standards of self defense 87 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:30.560 for the police in a circumstance like this, I think 88 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:33.959 we needed that broad a conversation about the left wants 89 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:37.079 this to happen. I actually believe that is true, and 90 00:04:37.120 --> 00:04:40.360 they now have their martyr, and I think we should 91 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:41.240 not let that slide. 92 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:45.959 Well, the left sanctifies protest because it is holy, it 93 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:48.480 right and good only if it's of a particular kind. 94 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:52.720 And the I hate to say the media because that's 95 00:04:52.759 --> 00:04:55.199 a lot and a lot of the organs that we 96 00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:58.240 call the media have less influence than they ever did before. 97 00:04:58.680 --> 00:05:02.399 But let's just say that general idea on the left 98 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:05.759 of the people who form opinion or repeat it is 99 00:05:05.800 --> 00:05:10.120 that basically, the protesters may be irritating, but their hearts 100 00:05:10.120 --> 00:05:12.199 are in the right place. And if their hearts are 101 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:14.439 in the right place because they want to stop climate change, 102 00:05:14.439 --> 00:05:17.240 because they want to stop this, because they want to 103 00:05:17.240 --> 00:05:22.000 stop immigration enforcement, etc. Well there's a certain automatic sympathy 104 00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:24.480 that attends to them. So when they see people who 105 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:27.000 are blocking the highway and it's not them trying to 106 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:28.759 get to the airport to get home for a funeral, 107 00:05:29.519 --> 00:05:33.759 they say, yeah, well, you know, sometimes drastic, drastic problems 108 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:38.040 require drastic solutions, and consciousness is being raised. That's the 109 00:05:38.079 --> 00:05:41.319 other thing. We're always told that consciousness is being raised, 110 00:05:42.360 --> 00:05:44.279 but most people are sick of it. Most people see 111 00:05:44.279 --> 00:05:47.639 the people who are tying up the airports just stop 112 00:05:47.639 --> 00:05:50.879 oil gluing themselves to the ground and just wishing somebody 113 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:54.279 would flow it. There is just an increasing patients and 114 00:05:54.759 --> 00:05:57.920 lack of patients and fatigue with this, with these people, who, 115 00:05:57.959 --> 00:06:00.839 as you say, suffer no consequences. You can walk into 116 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:03.839 a museum and a hurl a can of paint and 117 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:07.480 a turner, a JMW. Turner, and some people will say, well, 118 00:06:07.480 --> 00:06:11.360 what's the difference, But other people will say, you know, yeah, okay, 119 00:06:11.560 --> 00:06:14.319 but you know what is a painting when compared to 120 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:17.120 the dire existential crisis that we face with climate chicken jay. 121 00:06:17.240 --> 00:06:21.040 So we have since the sixties elevated protest on the 122 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:24.120 left to a sort of holy ritual performed by a 123 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:26.879 sacred cast which can't be criticized because their hearts are 124 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:29.839 in the right place. Now, what we have going on 125 00:06:29.959 --> 00:06:35.240 here is something different in that it is not particularly organic. 126 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:38.079 There are and again here's where you just sound like 127 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:41.839 a nutcase. There are shadowy organizations behind it. Well, no 128 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:45.399 they're not shadowy, they're out in the open. They're organizations 129 00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:47.959 whose point it is to get people to the place 130 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:53.040 where these were the approation apprehensions. I see it all 131 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:55.720 the time on my Twitter feed I go. And apparently 132 00:06:55.759 --> 00:06:58.360 more than that, there's a whole group of these trained 133 00:06:58.439 --> 00:07:02.800 quote observers end quote, who subscribe to telegram and signal feeds, 134 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:05.040 who get information on where they're supposed to go, and 135 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:06.839 they show up and they yell, and they have their 136 00:07:06.839 --> 00:07:09.959 whistles and they film and the rest of it. Now, yes, 137 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:12.079 they ought to be able to show up and film 138 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:14.839 and blow whistles if they wish, but getting up close 139 00:07:14.879 --> 00:07:17.959 and interfering and screaming the same tired litanies of you know, 140 00:07:17.959 --> 00:07:19.879 where's the warrant, what is your badge? Why you're doing 141 00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:26.360 this doesn't stop anything from happening. They haven't stopped anything 142 00:07:26.399 --> 00:07:29.519 from happening. But what they've done is they've raised the 143 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:32.639 temperature on this so that every single act which is 144 00:07:32.680 --> 00:07:36.920 their intention, is attended with a great deal of you know, 145 00:07:37.439 --> 00:07:40.600 of sound and fury and volume and protesting and the 146 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:43.639 rest of it, giving the impression I think that there 147 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:46.639 is some sort of grassroots people just pouring under their 148 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:50.279 houses to defend their neighbors. Some are, but it's not 149 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:53.600 that it is. It is an organize. There are organizations 150 00:07:53.639 --> 00:07:57.000 that are involved in doing this, and what's their endgame. 151 00:07:57.879 --> 00:08:00.120 I don't know because they're because they're not going to 152 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:02.959 stop these things. If anything that we learned is that 153 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:05.680 things are different than they were in twenty twenty, is 154 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:09.399 that now the ICE the next day just simply went 155 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:11.439 back to doing what they were doing the previous day, 156 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:13.560 you know, took a little operational pause and said, no, 157 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:15.639 we're back at it and we're not stopping. We're not 158 00:08:15.639 --> 00:08:18.519 taking a knee, we're not putting on you know, said 159 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:20.600 we're not going to be po faced about this. It happened. 160 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:22.160 There's going to be a process, but we had a 161 00:08:22.199 --> 00:08:24.120 job to do and we're going to do it, which 162 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:28.240 is different I think this time than it was in 163 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:30.759 a lot of the you know, the kneeling and the 164 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:32.919 begging and the apologizing that went on in twenty twenty. 165 00:08:32.960 --> 00:08:37.399 You're not seeing institutions, corporate institutions, all of a sudden 166 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:39.240 scrambling to figure out how they can get on the 167 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:41.000 right side of social justice in this case. 168 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:45.639 Yeah, right, not this time. They're not going to bend 169 00:08:45.639 --> 00:08:48.000 the knee this time. Look, you asked what is the 170 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:51.320 end game here? And I mean I can give you 171 00:08:51.320 --> 00:08:54.039 approximate answer in a general one that are complementary. I 172 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:57.639 think the general answer is remember the I think it's 173 00:08:57.679 --> 00:08:59.840 David Horwitz whoever said the issue is not the issue. 174 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:02.919 She was always the revolution. Now maybe that's a little 175 00:09:02.960 --> 00:09:05.559 bit hyperbolic, but not too much. I think that it's 176 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:08.799 always the impulse, you know, to go on a large 177 00:09:08.799 --> 00:09:11.879 scale attack and exploit things like you know, George Floyd 178 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:14.720 six years ago, and now this and so forth. It's 179 00:09:14.840 --> 00:09:20.519 also true that the left, especially in Minnesota, especially Governor Waltz, 180 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:22.879 is desperate to change the subject. 181 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:25.440 From the massive social services fraud that has. 182 00:09:25.480 --> 00:09:27.559 Unfolded there, and which, by the way, we can come 183 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:31.480 back to this perhaps, I think, maybe a big issue 184 00:09:31.480 --> 00:09:35.240 in this election cycle and again in twenty twenty eight nationwide, 185 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:38.679 because don't think this is only limited to Minnesota. No, 186 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:40.679 But there's one other thing to say about the sort 187 00:09:40.679 --> 00:09:42.080 of protest culture. 188 00:09:42.679 --> 00:09:43.480 You know, Americans. 189 00:09:43.600 --> 00:09:45.639 I think I think I take your point about how 190 00:09:45.639 --> 00:09:48.840 Americans say, well, this is annoying. It's especially if you're 191 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:52.519 trying to get somewhere inconvenient have the roadblocked On the 192 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:55.320 other hand, it's possible that a lot of Americans, not 193 00:09:55.360 --> 00:09:58.399 the ones in the media, but ordinary Americans, every day 194 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:01.159 Americans can hold two thoughts in their mind at the 195 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:03.480 same time. And one of the things that was true 196 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:06.720 about the Vietnam era is that the Vietnam War was 197 00:10:06.759 --> 00:10:10.440 increasingly unpopular, but the anti war movement marching in. 198 00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:14.919 The streets was even more unpopular. And you know, this 199 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:15.559 is something. 200 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:17.720 That the smarter people on the left, the late Todd Gitlin, 201 00:10:17.840 --> 00:10:21.120 for example, figured out late in the game. And so 202 00:10:21.200 --> 00:10:23.320 I think that same dynamic can be playing out now. 203 00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:26.039 So you know, I say, listeners and everybody else, pay 204 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:28.720 no attention to the braying hounds of the media who 205 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:32.120 are all on the side of the Democratic Party, apparatchicks, 206 00:10:32.159 --> 00:10:35.120 desperate to change the subject, desperate to stay on the 207 00:10:35.159 --> 00:10:38.679 attack against Trump and anything Trump is doing, and pay 208 00:10:38.720 --> 00:10:42.480 attention to the real facts on the ground. So, you know, 209 00:10:42.559 --> 00:10:45.960 for Waltz, this has been hate to be totally cynical 210 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:47.879 in crasts, but this has been a godsend for him 211 00:10:47.879 --> 00:10:51.000 this week because it is allowing him to change the subject. 212 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:53.240 And so this is this is how. 213 00:10:53.159 --> 00:10:55.639 It's going to play out over the next I don't 214 00:10:55.679 --> 00:10:56.799 know several weeks at least. 215 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:02.279 I think that's different, and that instead of having government 216 00:11:02.360 --> 00:11:06.039 organizations which do audits which are thenkyboged by the people 217 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:09.480 on top, instead of you know, a couple of you know, 218 00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:12.600 if you hope, high profile trials as we had here 219 00:11:12.679 --> 00:11:14.919 with feed My Future, where the issue just sort of 220 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:17.440 goes away after a while and the general conclusions are 221 00:11:17.480 --> 00:11:20.600 made for it. You have an army of people who 222 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:22.960 have decided to take it upon themselves to go around 223 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:25.759 their communities and figure out exactly what these daycares are doing, 224 00:11:25.759 --> 00:11:28.600 what these transportation centers are doing, what these autism centers 225 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:31.120 are doing, what these home healthcare centers are doing, and 226 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:34.240 they're finding an extraordinary amount of front wherever they happen 227 00:11:34.320 --> 00:11:36.759 to look. So you're right, it's an issue in the 228 00:11:36.799 --> 00:11:39.360 coming election but also in the election to come, because 229 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:44.159 it underscores this feeling that we started to get during DOGE, 230 00:11:44.279 --> 00:11:47.600 that there is such an extraordinary amount of money being 231 00:11:47.720 --> 00:11:52.519 shoveled out that does not serve any purpose, accomplish anything 232 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:54.799 except line the pockets of people who figured out how 233 00:11:54.799 --> 00:11:57.240 to game the system. And so what was initially set 234 00:11:57.320 --> 00:12:02.399 up as a as a an active empathetic government a 235 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:05.960 good thing. We will make sure that the elderly are 236 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:09.799 transported to their hospital. We will make sure that children 237 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:16.039 actually don't starve. We will make sure that this need 238 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:21.039 will be met. No one really argues anymore that we 239 00:12:21.120 --> 00:12:25.279 shouldn't be helping old people get to the hospital. But 240 00:12:25.399 --> 00:12:27.440 we found that in almost every single instance, when a 241 00:12:27.440 --> 00:12:30.320 program is unable to do these things, it balloons, It mushrooms, 242 00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:32.879 it grows, it becomes what was once a balloon that 243 00:12:32.879 --> 00:12:34.919 you could hold in your hand is the Hindenburg. And 244 00:12:34.960 --> 00:12:37.039 now we're seeing the whole gas bag just go open 245 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:41.279 flames because people are realizing, my god, my god, the 246 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:46.120 amount of money that I pay that is shoveled out. 247 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:50.080 We saw with Doge how money from the state would 248 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:52.679 go to an NGO, or go to university, which would 249 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:54.840 apportion it to an NGO, which would give one hundred 250 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:57.879 thousand dollars to a Peruvian lama, a farmer who is 251 00:12:57.919 --> 00:13:01.759 trying to teaches indigenous people new you know, modern methods 252 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:05.559 of basket weaving, whatever. And you multiply that times a billion, 253 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:09.440 and you realize that we have been playing for suckers. 254 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:14.600 I was writing out my advanced tax payment to the state. 255 00:13:15.519 --> 00:13:21.399 And I was furious because every single dollar that I 256 00:13:21.519 --> 00:13:23.600 was I could just see as I was writing the numbers, 257 00:13:23.639 --> 00:13:26.559 I felt like every one of them was going to 258 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:29.799 be wasted. And if it wasn't wasted this year, I 259 00:13:29.799 --> 00:13:32.159 could count back year after year after year after year 260 00:13:32.440 --> 00:13:35.320 and just see all of those dollars flowing, not to 261 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:37.720 the things that we had agreed that the Social Compact 262 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:40.720 required us to fund, but going to scams that they 263 00:13:40.879 --> 00:13:44.519 let go because they didn't want to seem like bad people, 264 00:13:44.799 --> 00:13:47.879 because the money flowing was too good, because the whole 265 00:13:48.200 --> 00:13:51.559 sweet arrangement made everybody happy in the Union Party state. 266 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:55.360 And yep, you know, I don't pay, I go to jail. 267 00:13:55.600 --> 00:13:58.600 The people who did this scams? Are they going to 268 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:02.600 go to jail? People writing their checks saying I don't 269 00:14:02.600 --> 00:14:04.240 think so I go to jail if I don't pay. 270 00:14:04.399 --> 00:14:06.080 But these guys who took the millions of dollars to 271 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:07.960 have a daycare in their basement where no kids ever 272 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:11.000 showed up for three years, are they going to jail? Yeah? 273 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:13.759 Probably not. That would be mean, That would be mean 274 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:15.039 and insensitive. 275 00:14:15.480 --> 00:14:17.919 Right, Well, so I have a field theory for all 276 00:14:17.960 --> 00:14:21.120 this which comes in two parts. One is if you 277 00:14:21.120 --> 00:14:22.879 go all the way back to the financial crisis of 278 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:25.600 two thousand and eight, after which we committed what a 279 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:28.759 trillion dollars of the whatever it was called then under Obama, 280 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:30.679 and then you get to COVID, where I think we've 281 00:14:30.679 --> 00:14:34.080 spent three to four trillion dollars between Trump one and 282 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:37.919 then Biden, and I actually think it was more money 283 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:39.120 than the government knew how to spend. 284 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:42.279 I mean, now stipulate the spend it. But the point is, 285 00:14:42.879 --> 00:14:43.200 and I. 286 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:45.840 Think the left, which has been, you know, exploiting all 287 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:48.879 these programs for years, you now had the whole thing 288 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:52.399 expand by two orders of magnitude overnight, with little or 289 00:14:52.399 --> 00:14:55.840 no controls, little or no oversight. And that's on purpose, 290 00:14:55.840 --> 00:14:57.279 by the way. I want to come back to that point, 291 00:14:57.320 --> 00:15:00.000 but I say it's a national story. Out here in Californi. 292 00:15:00.399 --> 00:15:04.080 The latest estimate is as much as seventy billion dollars 293 00:15:04.120 --> 00:15:07.799 in state and federal money may have been misappropriated or 294 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:09.639 fraudulently spent. 295 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:11.639 And this is not brand new news. 296 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:13.320 I mean, we knew two three years ago there was 297 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:16.960 an auditor's report that thirty billion dollars of unemployment money 298 00:15:17.399 --> 00:15:21.080 out of COVID was perhaps spent fraudulently. We learned at 299 00:15:21.159 --> 00:15:23.799 some convicts in prison were collecting some of this money, 300 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:27.200 including what that Peterson kid who murdered his wife twenty 301 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:31.840 five years ago. Whatever it was. Now, why wasn't Waltz 302 00:15:31.879 --> 00:15:35.360 concerned about this? Why was he suppressing the whistleblowers who 303 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:38.879 kept bringing up up that this was going on. I 304 00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:40.799 think it's because for a lot of people on the left, 305 00:15:40.840 --> 00:15:43.440 and Waltz seems just dumb enough to be one of 306 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:47.080 them easily, is that for them, this is a form 307 00:15:47.120 --> 00:15:51.000 of airsats redistribution of wealth. In other words, they don't 308 00:15:51.039 --> 00:15:52.799 think it's fraud at all. They think it's it may 309 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:56.200 be inefficient, it may be you know, not universal enough, 310 00:15:56.200 --> 00:15:57.799 et cetera. But I think a lot of people on 311 00:15:57.840 --> 00:16:00.360 the left think this is just this is good, it's 312 00:16:00.360 --> 00:16:00.879 not fraud. 313 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:03.759 They deserve it. The middle class Americans should be. 314 00:16:03.679 --> 00:16:07.399 Made to pay, like you know, Mondami's household housings are 315 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:10.559 has just said. And so I actually think that really 316 00:16:10.600 --> 00:16:12.080 is at the core of this is that the left 317 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:15.399 doesn't think that welfare fraud is actually even possible because 318 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:18.600 it's deserved. And then the last thing I'll say is 319 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:23.200 you know the business about oh so oh racism. Okay, 320 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:28.240 it's racism too, because it's happening among Somali's. Well, so 321 00:16:28.399 --> 00:16:32.000 here's a problem. There's a whole bunch of embarrassing social 322 00:16:32.039 --> 00:16:35.159 science data out of Europe. We always admire Europe's great 323 00:16:35.279 --> 00:16:39.519 cradle Degrae welfare states. Turns out some social scientists found 324 00:16:39.519 --> 00:16:43.320 more than ten years ago that support for the high tax, 325 00:16:43.399 --> 00:16:46.960 high benefit welfare states in England is closely correlated with 326 00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:51.759 ethnic homogeneity. It's Swedish Lutherans who all share the same 327 00:16:51.799 --> 00:16:54.960 work ethic, right, and that is collapsing in real time 328 00:16:54.960 --> 00:16:57.960 in Europe, so much so that in Denmark, just in 329 00:16:58.000 --> 00:17:00.759 the last couple of weeks, the socialist primates has said, 330 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:03.480 you know, some of these migrants we've taken in, they need. 331 00:17:03.399 --> 00:17:04.079 To be deported. 332 00:17:04.480 --> 00:17:07.279 And they've cut way back on benefits from making available 333 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:09.599 to their migrants from the Middle East and Africa who 334 00:17:09.599 --> 00:17:12.799 aren't working, who don't know the language, aren't learning the language. 335 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:15.920 And so if that's happening in Europe, boy, the Overton 336 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:17.599 window is really moving. 337 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:22.599 Very much. So. Yes, when when you have an ethnically 338 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:25.839 homogenous country of six million people, you can have a consensus. 339 00:17:25.960 --> 00:17:28.319 Now that consensus can be stifling in that you know, 340 00:17:28.319 --> 00:17:31.319 people say that there are guardrails in Swedish conversations that 341 00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:35.359 keep the dialogue and the national conversation in between, you know, 342 00:17:35.400 --> 00:17:38.519 in a certain lane. But those guardrails are breaking down 343 00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:42.359 because simply when you don't have a homogeneous society anymore, 344 00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:44.920 you have people who are going to game it. And 345 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:48.279 it's the same in Minnesota, I mean, Minnesota adapted that 346 00:17:48.319 --> 00:17:50.920 Scandinavian model. We had Wendell Anderson on the cover of 347 00:17:50.920 --> 00:17:53.039 Time magazine and rolling up a walleye the good life 348 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:55.920 in Minnesota because we had made an arrangement. In the 349 00:17:56.000 --> 00:17:58.599 arrangement would be everybody's going to pay nine taxes bought. 350 00:17:58.599 --> 00:18:01.319 You're going to get good schools, good roads, good government, 351 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:05.759 up and up. We acquiesced to sort of technic technocratic 352 00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:08.640 rule by the met Council which will tell us how 353 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:10.799 we should grow and where the highway should be and 354 00:18:10.839 --> 00:18:12.920 how the water should be distributed. And people just generally 355 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:17.400 went along with it because the ideas were sound the 356 00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:21.799 practice it seemed to work. But that only works if 357 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:25.079 you have everybody buying into it. It only works if 358 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:26.839 the social compact is shared and you have a high 359 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:32.400 trust society, eventually you can maintain that or when people 360 00:18:32.720 --> 00:18:37.880 from other ways of thinking. And again again we're told 361 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:39.599 that one of the great things about diversity is that 362 00:18:39.599 --> 00:18:41.920 it gets other ideas, other ways of looking at the world, 363 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:44.799 other cultures. But it also seems to presume that everybody 364 00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:47.039 who comes here is going to have a Scandinavian mindset 365 00:18:47.319 --> 00:18:53.839 and slot right into it. No, so yeah, what Minnesota 366 00:18:53.880 --> 00:18:57.480 is experiencing is what the Scandinavian countries is experiencing, and 367 00:18:57.559 --> 00:19:01.839 where it ends up we don't know. I mean Sweden 368 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:06.240 other countries are hampered by laws that they've compacts that 369 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:09.839 they've signed about migration, an asylum and the rest of 370 00:19:09.880 --> 00:19:13.000 it that keep them from doing things. So it's curious 371 00:19:13.000 --> 00:19:16.200 to see exactly what they expect to do about it. 372 00:19:16.920 --> 00:19:20.559 Interrupt real fast, James, I haven't checked on this lately, 373 00:19:20.599 --> 00:19:23.400 but Sweden is having an active debate in their parliament 374 00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:27.759 about changing their constitution so they can revoke the citizenship 375 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:30.640 they've granted some of their recent migrants. That's how fast 376 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:34.640 things are changing. And the famous Scandinavian social democracies, beloved 377 00:19:34.680 --> 00:19:37.079 of our left. By the way, you can here and 378 00:19:37.079 --> 00:19:38.799 there if you look at the leftist the media, you 379 00:19:38.839 --> 00:19:40.960 can find that they're starting to get unhappy about this. 380 00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:44.160 They're starting to sour on Denmark and Sweden and the 381 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:46.559 whole rest of the scene, which again shows you how 382 00:19:46.559 --> 00:19:47.880 the Overton window is changing. 383 00:19:48.519 --> 00:19:51.319 Right. Well, as somebody said the other day in the 384 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:53.519 protest in New York City, actually there's no such thing 385 00:19:53.519 --> 00:19:55.759 as in the legal immigrants, since this has stolen land. 386 00:19:56.000 --> 00:20:00.279 Therefore everybody here has the same legal status, which she's 387 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:04.319 a recipe for national dissolution. But speaking of Europe, Charles C. W. 388 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:06.839 Cook has finally joined us. In Charles, we were talking 389 00:20:06.920 --> 00:20:12.119 about the shooting in Minnesota, Minneapolish boy, I wish I 390 00:20:12.119 --> 00:20:14.200 didn't have that. It's like I got a macro key. 391 00:20:14.200 --> 00:20:16.039 I can just type and you get that, you know, 392 00:20:16.160 --> 00:20:18.960 dropped into a piece. You wrote a piece for n 393 00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:21.720 R about it, about the video, about the about your 394 00:20:21.759 --> 00:20:25.279 thoughts on it. Steven said it was extremely nuanced and wise. 395 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:30.240 I'll be the judge of that welcome, Welcome, and tell 396 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:31.880 me what you were saying in that piece that everybody 397 00:20:31.880 --> 00:20:32.440 should go read. 398 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:32.759 Well. 399 00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:35.160 I said, of course that we should probably sell Minnesota 400 00:20:35.200 --> 00:20:43.000 to Canada. Yeah, no, I didn't I was trying to 401 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:49.359