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Speaker 1: Well there was that. Again.

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Speaker 2: You and I are the only people old enough to

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remember this, but there was that. One of my favorite

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Andy Griff of scenes. When you know Ronnie Howard at

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four years old, Loksander says, what do you learn in school?

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Speaker 1: Day? Hope?

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Speaker 2: He says, uh, I learned pie are squared? Sheriff Andy says,

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well that's wrong, Ope, pie are round, cornbread or square.

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Ask not what your country can do for you, Ask

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what you can do for your country. Mister Gorbachoff, tear

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Speaker 3: It's the Record Shape podcast with Stephen Eyward and Charles C. W. Cook.

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I'm James Lollace today, Iran Mondami Minnesota and more So,

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let's have risols a podcast.

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Speaker 4: We will draw this city closer together. We will replace

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the frigidity of rugged individualism with the warmth of collectivism.

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If our campaign demonstrated that the people of New York

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yearn for solidarity, then let this government welcome everybody.

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Speaker 3: It's the Ricochet Podcast, number seven seventy one. Why don't

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you join it? I said, ricochet dot com. Why don't

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you just why? I want to be part of the

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most stimulating conversation and community on the web. That's why.

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I'm James, Lilyax and I'm joined because I'm falling apart

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by Stephen Hayward. Stephen, Hello, Hi James, how are you?

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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Fraud question? Maybe Charlie can answer that. Charlie will be

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along in just a little bit here. How am i?

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I'm I'm in Minnesota once again, the episode of the

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stuff about about which we are not happy. Let's go

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right to it. Everybody has been doing the Zappruder bit

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on the film back into the left frame by frame analysis,

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trying to figure out where they stand on this issue.

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I refer, of course, to the shooting of a woman

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who was interfering in the protest of a nice apprehension,

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and I will ask you what you thought. I have

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read a lot of nuanced commentary on this, and I

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say nuanced because it generally aligns with what I think

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I've read in flammatory common I say inflammatory because I

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don't agree with it naturally. I have this sensible, moderate,

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clever position here, and I'm wondering if yours is the same.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's a sensible modern position on this.

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I can speak for him, since he's not here, wrote

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a very good, very sober piece weighing all the different

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aspects of this for a national view one line, and

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maybe we can get him to reprise some of that

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when he joins us. I also worry about I mean,

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I've seen several different angles. Also, I am a little

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worried about whether we're going to get some fakes right,

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you know, the AI stuff these days. That wouldn't surprise me,

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because I've seen a couple. I thought, huh, that doesn't

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look quite like the other angle. But you know, we

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all know, racham on, everything looks different from which corner

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of the street you're on.

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Speaker 1: So I.

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Speaker 2: Think sort of the you know, beyond the particular aspects

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of this thing that happens in a split second, are

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some of the wider issues of where does the culpability

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lie for organizing resistance to federal government law enforcement officers?

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And I connect this, This is an opening thought. I

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connect this to the fact that we have been allowing

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protests to go unpunished for quite a while. People blocking

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streets to airports and blocking streets and just the blocking

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streets part of it because you want to stop climate change,

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and most of those people have gone unpunished, and so

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it shouldn't surprise us that we escalate to something awful

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like this. But I also will say, and I think

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some listeners will find us harsh or maybe outrageous.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's go back to James.

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Speaker 2: You will remember that in the Chicago Convention of nineteen

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sixty eight, Tom Hayden and all the organizers of that

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they wanted to provoke police violence on purpose, and you know,

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they got it right, the so called police riot, as

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as they were two years later for those poor young

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of the National guardsmen because they thought, you know, these hippies,

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Speaker 1: So here we are. And I do think that if

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get to the airport to get home for a funeral,

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they say, yeah, well, you know, sometimes drastic, drastic problems

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require drastic solutions, and consciousness is being raised. That's the

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the people who are tying up the airports just stop

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oil gluing themselves to the ground and just wishing somebody

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would flow it. There is just an increasing patients and

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lack of patients and fatigue with this, with these people, who,

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as you say, suffer no consequences. You can walk into

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a museum and a hurl a can of paint and

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a turner, a JMW. Turner, and some people will say, well,

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what's the difference, But other people will say, you know, yeah, okay,

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the dire existential crisis that we face with climate chicken jay.

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sacred cast which can't be criticized because their hearts are

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a nutcase. There are shadowy organizations behind it. Well, no

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whose point it is to get people to the place

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where these were the approation apprehensions. I see it all

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the time on my Twitter feed I go. And apparently

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whistles and they film and the rest of it. Now, yes,

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this doesn't stop anything from happening. They haven't stopped anything

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from happening. But what they've done is they've raised the

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temperature on this so that every single act which is

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of sound and fury and volume and protesting and the

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rest of it, giving the impression I think that there

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houses to defend their neighbors. Some are, but it's not

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that it is. It is an organize. There are organizations

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stop these things. If anything that we learned is that

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things are different than they were in twenty twenty, is

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that now the ICE the next day just simply went

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we're back at it and we're not stopping. We're not

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taking a knee, we're not putting on you know, said

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is different I think this time than it was in

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a lot of the you know, the kneeling and the

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begging and the apologizing that went on in twenty twenty.

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scrambling to figure out how they can get on the

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right side of social justice in this case.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, not this time. They're not going to bend

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the knee this time. Look, you asked what is the

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end game here? And I mean I can give you

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approximate answer in a general one that are complementary. I

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think the general answer is remember the I think it's

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David Horwitz whoever said the issue is not the issue.

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bit hyperbolic, but not too much. I think that it's

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scale attack and exploit things like you know, George Floyd

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six years ago, and now this and so forth. It's

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is desperate to change the subject.

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Speaker 1: From the massive social services fraud that has.

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Speaker 2: Unfolded there, and which, by the way, we can come

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back to this perhaps, I think, maybe a big issue

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because don't think this is only limited to Minnesota. No,

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Speaker 1: You know, Americans.

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Americans say, well, this is annoying. It's especially if you're

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other hand, it's possible that a lot of Americans, not

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the ones in the media, but ordinary Americans, every day

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about the Vietnam era is that the Vietnam War was

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increasingly unpopular, but the anti war movement marching in.

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no attention to the braying hounds of the media who

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are all on the side of the Democratic Party, apparatchicks,

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desperate to change the subject, desperate to stay on the

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attack against Trump and anything Trump is doing, and pay

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attention to the real facts on the ground. So, you know,

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for Waltz, this has been hate to be totally cynical

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in crasts, but this has been a godsend for him

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this week because it is allowing him to change the subject.

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Speaker 1: It's going to play out over the next I don't

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Speaker 3: I think that's different, and that instead of having government

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organizations which do audits which are thenkyboged by the people

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on top, instead of you know, a couple of you know,

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if you hope, high profile trials as we had here

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with feed My Future, where the issue just sort of

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goes away after a while and the general conclusions are

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made for it. You have an army of people who

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have decided to take it upon themselves to go around

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their communities and figure out exactly what these daycares are doing,

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what these transportation centers are doing, what these autism centers

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they're finding an extraordinary amount of front wherever they happen

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to look. So you're right, it's an issue in the

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coming election but also in the election to come, because

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it underscores this feeling that we started to get during DOGE,

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that there is such an extraordinary amount of money being

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shoveled out that does not serve any purpose, accomplish anything

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except line the pockets of people who figured out how

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to game the system. And so what was initially set

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up as a as a an active empathetic government a

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good thing. We will make sure that the elderly are

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transported to their hospital. We will make sure that children

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actually don't starve. We will make sure that this need

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shouldn't be helping old people get to the hospital. But

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we found that in almost every single instance, when a

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program is unable to do these things, it balloons, It mushrooms,

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it grows, it becomes what was once a balloon that

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you could hold in your hand is the Hindenburg. And

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now we're seeing the whole gas bag just go open

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flames because people are realizing, my god, my god, the

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amount of money that I pay that is shoveled out.

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We saw with Doge how money from the state would

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go to an NGO, or go to university, which would

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apportion it to an NGO, which would give one hundred

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thousand dollars to a Peruvian lama, a farmer who is

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trying to teaches indigenous people new you know, modern methods

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of basket weaving, whatever. And you multiply that times a billion,

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and you realize that we have been playing for suckers.

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I was writing out my advanced tax payment to the state.

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And I was furious because every single dollar that I

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was I could just see as I was writing the numbers,

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I felt like every one of them was going to

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be wasted. And if it wasn't wasted this year, I

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could count back year after year after year after year

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and just see all of those dollars flowing, not to

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the things that we had agreed that the Social Compact

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required us to fund, but going to scams that they

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let go because they didn't want to seem like bad people,

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because the money flowing was too good, because the whole

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sweet arrangement made everybody happy in the Union Party state.

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And yep, you know, I don't pay, I go to jail.

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The people who did this scams? Are they going to

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go to jail? People writing their checks saying I don't

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think so I go to jail if I don't pay.

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But these guys who took the millions of dollars to

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have a daycare in their basement where no kids ever

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showed up for three years, are they going to jail? Yeah?

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Probably not. That would be mean, That would be mean

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and insensitive.

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, so I have a field theory for all

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this which comes in two parts. One is if you

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go all the way back to the financial crisis of

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two thousand and eight, after which we committed what a

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trillion dollars of the whatever it was called then under Obama,

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and then you get to COVID, where I think we've

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spent three to four trillion dollars between Trump one and

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then Biden, and I actually think it was more money

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than the government knew how to spend.

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Speaker 1: I mean, now stipulate the spend it. But the point is,

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and I.

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Speaker 2: Think the left, which has been, you know, exploiting all

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these programs for years, you now had the whole thing

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expand by two orders of magnitude overnight, with little or

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no controls, little or no oversight. And that's on purpose,

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by the way. I want to come back to that point,

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but I say it's a national story. Out here in Californi.

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The latest estimate is as much as seventy billion dollars

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in state and federal money may have been misappropriated or

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fraudulently spent.

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Speaker 1: And this is not brand new news.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we knew two three years ago there was

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an auditor's report that thirty billion dollars of unemployment money

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out of COVID was perhaps spent fraudulently. We learned at

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some convicts in prison were collecting some of this money,

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including what that Peterson kid who murdered his wife twenty

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five years ago. Whatever it was. Now, why wasn't Waltz

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concerned about this? Why was he suppressing the whistleblowers who

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kept bringing up up that this was going on. I

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think it's because for a lot of people on the left,

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and Waltz seems just dumb enough to be one of

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them easily, is that for them, this is a form

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of airsats redistribution of wealth. In other words, they don't

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think it's fraud at all. They think it's it may

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be inefficient, it may be you know, not universal enough,

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et cetera. But I think a lot of people on

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the left think this is just this is good, it's

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not fraud.

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Speaker 1: They deserve it. The middle class Americans should be.

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Speaker 2: Made to pay, like you know, Mondami's household housings are

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has just said. And so I actually think that really

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is at the core of this is that the left

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doesn't think that welfare fraud is actually even possible because

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it's deserved. And then the last thing I'll say is

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you know the business about oh so oh racism. Okay,

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it's racism too, because it's happening among Somali's. Well, so

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here's a problem. There's a whole bunch of embarrassing social

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science data out of Europe. We always admire Europe's great

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cradle Degrae welfare states. Turns out some social scientists found

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more than ten years ago that support for the high tax,

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high benefit welfare states in England is closely correlated with

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ethnic homogeneity. It's Swedish Lutherans who all share the same

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work ethic, right, and that is collapsing in real time

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in Europe, so much so that in Denmark, just in

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the last couple of weeks, the socialist primates has said,

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you know, some of these migrants we've taken in, they need.

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Speaker 1: To be deported.

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Speaker 2: And they've cut way back on benefits from making available

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to their migrants from the Middle East and Africa who

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aren't working, who don't know the language, aren't learning the language.

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And so if that's happening in Europe, boy, the Overton

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window is really moving.

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Speaker 3: Very much. So. Yes, when when you have an ethnically

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homogenous country of six million people, you can have a consensus.

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Now that consensus can be stifling in that you know,

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people say that there are guardrails in Swedish conversations that

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keep the dialogue and the national conversation in between, you know,

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in a certain lane. But those guardrails are breaking down

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because simply when you don't have a homogeneous society anymore,

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you have people who are going to game it. And

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it's the same in Minnesota, I mean, Minnesota adapted that

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Scandinavian model. We had Wendell Anderson on the cover of

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Time magazine and rolling up a walleye the good life

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in Minnesota because we had made an arrangement. In the

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arrangement would be everybody's going to pay nine taxes bought.

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You're going to get good schools, good roads, good government,

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up and up. We acquiesced to sort of technic technocratic

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rule by the met Council which will tell us how

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we should grow and where the highway should be and

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how the water should be distributed. And people just generally

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went along with it because the ideas were sound the

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practice it seemed to work. But that only works if

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you have everybody buying into it. It only works if

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the social compact is shared and you have a high

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trust society, eventually you can maintain that or when people

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from other ways of thinking. And again again we're told

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that one of the great things about diversity is that

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it gets other ideas, other ways of looking at the world,

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other cultures. But it also seems to presume that everybody

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who comes here is going to have a Scandinavian mindset

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and slot right into it. No, so yeah, what Minnesota

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is experiencing is what the Scandinavian countries is experiencing, and

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where it ends up we don't know. I mean Sweden

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other countries are hampered by laws that they've compacts that

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they've signed about migration, an asylum and the rest of

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it that keep them from doing things. So it's curious

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to see exactly what they expect to do about it.

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Speaker 2: Interrupt real fast, James, I haven't checked on this lately,

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but Sweden is having an active debate in their parliament

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about changing their constitution so they can revoke the citizenship

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they've granted some of their recent migrants. That's how fast

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things are changing. And the famous Scandinavian social democracies, beloved

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of our left. By the way, you can here and

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there if you look at the leftist the media, you

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can find that they're starting to get unhappy about this.

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They're starting to sour on Denmark and Sweden and the

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whole rest of the scene, which again shows you how

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the Overton window is changing.

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Speaker 3: Right. Well, as somebody said the other day in the

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protest in New York City, actually there's no such thing

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as in the legal immigrants, since this has stolen land.

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Therefore everybody here has the same legal status, which she's

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a recipe for national dissolution. But speaking of Europe, Charles C. W.

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Cook has finally joined us. In Charles, we were talking

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about the shooting in Minnesota, Minneapolish boy, I wish I

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didn't have that. It's like I got a macro key.

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I can just type and you get that, you know,

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dropped into a piece. You wrote a piece for n

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R about it, about the video, about the about your

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thoughts on it. Steven said it was extremely nuanced and wise.

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I'll be the judge of that welcome, Welcome, and tell

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me what you were saying in that piece that everybody

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should go read.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 6: I said, of course that we should probably sell Minnesota

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to Canada. Yeah, no, I didn't I was trying to

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dispense with a lot of the nonsense that has made

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it difficult to hone in on the question here, the

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question that would come up at a trial, although I

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don't think there will be one, which is did the

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officer have a reasonable suspicion that his life was in

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danger such that he could open fire? And I noticed

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that this was getting bogged down in all manner of

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other claims. So while I'm not entirely sure what I think,

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although on balance I think he did have a reasonable

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suspicion and that he would be acquitted, I thought it

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was perhaps more useful rather than pil in and write

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a hundredth piece on my views on that, to point

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out all the silly things that people were saying that

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really are re elevant, for example, that this was an

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execution or an assassination, which it very obviously wasn't. The

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shooting was in response to the car moving, whether justified

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or not. That this could have happened to any of us,

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that's not true. This wasn't a lightning strike. Again, whether

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you think it was justified or not, this was the

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product of this person who seems, per The New York

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Post to have been protesting Ice having made certain decisions.

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The claimed that this was somehow inappropriate because it involved

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a thirty seven year old woman who had toys in

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her Honda Pilot. And the Honda Pilot is a car.

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It weighs four and a half thousand pounds. The car

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responds the same irrespective of whether it's being driven by

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a very strong man or by a computer or by

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a very weak woman. It's like a gun in that respect.

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The physics doesn't change. So there are always things that

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people were saying that really have nothing to do with it.

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Speaker 3: And I think, but let me, let me stop every

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one second, and if you argue any of those, any

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of those, they get angry with you for somehow nitpicking

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and getting away from the central issue, which is the

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that's what I've I mean, people get in furiated when

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you say it's also you're blaming her. Also you think

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it's okay to shoot a thirty seven years It's not

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what I'm saying. I'm sorr right that these ancillary issues

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don't get to the core of it, and the ancillary

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issues somehow become this mush, the sweet smelling mush that

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gets painted over, it gets daubed over everything where we're

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supposed to ignore the particulars anyway.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and the other one, of course, is that she

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deserved or didn't deserve it, which is not a useful

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question here because this is not a cosmic matter. We're

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not debating here whether or not those who find themselves

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in her situation ought to be awarded a death penalty.

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And I think in this regard this is similar to

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the Ashley Babbitt shooting, where people get very hung up

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on those words deserved. But these are again I don't

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think it will go to trial, but if it did,

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these are questions that revolve around details and my NUSI.

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And another point that I make is they revolve around

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details in my NUSI as they were experienced in the

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brief moment by those involved, not as they have been

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processed by us. Because we have access to information they didn't.

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We can watch it over and over again. We know

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how it ended, we have background information. We can slow

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it down, we can see it from eight different angles,

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we can freeze frame the wheels, we can run experiments

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on ice, and so forth. But that's not what happened here.

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From the perspective of the officer, or in the case

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of the Capitol Riots, the police officer who shot Ashley

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babbittt who didn't know how it ended. And I just

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think that it's quite annoying that people and I include

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conservatives to some extent on this. I think Trump did

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get way out over his skis when he said that

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it was a willful, violent and that was another word

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he used, but running over that's not true. And if

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you hadn't seen the video, you would have a false

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impression of what had happened here. But I don't really

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understand why people are trying to draw these grand narratives

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out of this when it was an incident involving two

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particular people in a split second that led people to

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have to make decisions. I mean, that's what matters, right.

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Speaker 3: Yes, they're drawing something out of it because it's useful

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to do that. And so, you know, when I was

478
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talking to people about this, and they were saying, Okay,

479
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let's I don't know exactly who they were apprehending. I

480
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don't know what he was guilty of, but let's say

481
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that he's illegal, he's come into the country three times

482
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after deportation, and he's committed sexual violence on minors. What

483
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instrument of government would you use to remove that person?

484
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And would it not look identical to what we are

485
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doing right now? And there's no answer for that because

486
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you can't say, well, judges, well you know you should

487
00:26:01,319 --> 00:26:02,920
have just showed up at the airport with a with

488
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a boarding pass and gotten on a plane. Well you know,

489
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the thing of it is is is that everybody starts

490
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the year with great hope and the rest of it,

491
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and something usually comes along in the first fortnight that says,

492
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uh right, it's back to the same old bleep. But

493
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I don't know about you guys, how your New Year's

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we had resolutions. Resolutions are usually often towards health and fitness.

496
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Go to the gym. I already go to the gym.

497
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But there comes a time to think actually about what

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we think meat fabric responsoring this the Ricochet podcast. Well,

525
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I get a warm feeling thinking about life insurance, they

526
00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:17,400
really do. But some people get a warm feeling when

527
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:23,400
they think about collectivism collsm the warm gentle death in

528
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,839
which we will all bob rugged. Individualism of pulling up

529
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,799
your bootstraps is an old notion of a scary thing

530
00:28:29,839 --> 00:28:33,400
in some cowboy days. No, we're going to join hands, comrade,

531
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,000
and march forth into the alfalfa fields to do our

532
00:28:36,519 --> 00:28:43,759
communal reaping. Well, yeah, this is what Mandami has said,

533
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,799
and it's of a piece with the statements they've drug

534
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,559
up about his housing advisor, who the other day was

535
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,480
seen to be walking away in tears and going into

536
00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:56,680
the house in tears because she was asked hard questions

537
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,920
about the idiocy, the sort of dorm room bond rip

538
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:04,000
stuff you say about capitalism and kill all the white

539
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,839
men and reduce the middle class and the rest of it.

540
00:29:06,359 --> 00:29:09,160
Now she's in a position of power, these comments are

541
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,680
coming back to bite her, perhaps, and we get a

542
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,759
true view of these sort of theater kids Marxist and

543
00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:19,480
what they want, and they're a little bit stunned to

544
00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:22,359
find that people think no, this is spinach, and I say,

545
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:23,000
ame with it.

546
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, who's gonna say it, Charlie? You

547
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,680
were me? Iron Rand is calling and wants your villains.

548
00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 2: I mean, what Whole's inaugural address of Mondamie was right

549
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:36,200
out of the pages of Atlas Shrugg. It's amazing, you know,

550
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,440
I've myself never cared that much for Rand until Obama

551
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,920
became president, and now in New York City, for certain,

552
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,559
there is an interesting thing about that Sea whatever her

553
00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:49,559
last name is. You're right, And one of the questions,

554
00:29:49,599 --> 00:29:52,920
by the way, James, is that apparently her mother lives

555
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,680
in a one point four million dollar house in Tennessee

556
00:29:55,759 --> 00:29:58,599
or somewhere, and so it looks like hypocrisy to you know,

557
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,240
this privilege persons. There's a pattern now that I've observed

558
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:06,160
for several years, which is people like the theater kids,

559
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:07,960
as you put it, like to spout off on social

560
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,640
media and elsewhere about social justice or universities like to

561
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,160
have crazy programs, and then suddenly, when you expose it

562
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,960
to a wider public, the university scrubs the website instantly,

563
00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:23,400
and this poor lady breaks down in tears. My observation

564
00:30:23,599 --> 00:30:26,680
was I used to think that maybe the characterization of

565
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,039
these folks as snowflakes was a little bit overbroad. Well,

566
00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:31,759
guess what turns out she turns out to be a

567
00:30:31,799 --> 00:30:35,680
snowflake when she's confronted with more public attention for the

568
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,200
things that she said and apparently thinks and can't handle it. So,

569
00:30:39,559 --> 00:30:42,079
in an odd way, I'm kind of encouraged about all this,

570
00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:46,119
although it's going to be crazy. Mandamie is staffing his

571
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,119
administration with pretty crazy people.

572
00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 3: You know.

573
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,319
Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier James that California may have had as

574
00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:57,359
much as thirty billion dollars in misspent unemployment funds during COVID.

575
00:30:57,759 --> 00:31:02,079
The person who oversaw that was Julie Sue, who Obama

576
00:31:02,119 --> 00:31:05,160
wanted to be Labor Secretary, and Senate would in confirm her. Well,

577
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:07,599
Mandamie has a point I heard of some senior post

578
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:08,799
which just seems.

579
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:13,799
Speaker 3: Perfect, Charles. We are constantly told, of course, that communism,

580
00:31:13,839 --> 00:31:16,039
real communism, has never been tried, And I read a

581
00:31:16,079 --> 00:31:18,079
quote the other day I can't remember exactly who it was,

582
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,880
pointing out that the Soviet Union was staffed start to

583
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,920
finish with people who were the best communists you could

584
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,119
come up with these were people who went to college

585
00:31:28,599 --> 00:31:33,160
to study Marxist Leninism, and a lot of them really

586
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,279
believed it. They weren't just putting a sort of gloss

587
00:31:35,319 --> 00:31:38,039
on their own ability to their own desire to get power.

588
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,039
So yeah, I think communism has been tried. I think

589
00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:42,680
we got a pretty good look at the track record.

590
00:31:43,079 --> 00:31:45,839
But we're supposed to be feeling good about collectivism because

591
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,960
it's what it's a nursery schools, everybody sitting together in

592
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:57,200
a warm room on the sharing their fruit roll ups.

593
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,799
Do these people have absolutely no idea how this stuff

594
00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:02,319
plays out in real life. They can't be that stupid.

595
00:32:02,359 --> 00:32:04,440
Wait a minute here, yes, they caain.

596
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:07,319
Speaker 6: They can be that stupid. I'm glad you used the

597
00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:11,240
sea word, because that's what this Sea Weaver person is.

598
00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:16,960
She's a communist. She's also a racist. Half of her output,

599
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:22,000
maybe moral is racism as much as it's communism. I

600
00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:26,039
know academic types will say it can't be racism because

601
00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:28,880
her horst involved power. I think that's garbage. I've always

602
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,480
thought there was garbage. She wants white people to suffer,

603
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:35,759
she wants to destroy the white middle classes wealth, and

604
00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:39,440
she even said she wished she'd believed in God, because

605
00:32:40,039 --> 00:32:42,000
if she believed in God, she would think that white

606
00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:44,400
people would burn in the afterlife.

607
00:32:44,599 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 5: Perhaps that's the warm collectivism she is, and white men

608
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:55,920
would particularly right, that's racism.

609
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 6: I just want to make this very very clear to

610
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,039
anyone who's fuzzy on this, that under the fourteenth Amendment

611
00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:04,400
and the Civil Rights Act, that is racism. There is

612
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no such thing as positive or negative discrimination. There's no

613
00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:10,960
classes of people who are exempt or bumped up. The

614
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,480
Supreme Courts made this abundantly clear, especially recently, that is racism.

615
00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:17,440
So she's a racist. But she's also a communist and

616
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,839
her ideas are ridiculous. And although she has labeled as

617
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,359
tenant protection or tenant advocacy or what you will, her

618
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,200
aim here is to nationalize property in New York City.

619
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And if you look at the way that she wishes

620
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:36,599
to go about this, this becomes clear. She says rent

621
00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:41,640
control fixes everything. That's her view, stated view. So what

622
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,359
you do is you first set rents at such a

623
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,759
low level that landlords can't make any money on their properties.

624
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,119
So what do they do. They cut back on maintenance

625
00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:57,799
and repairs and improvements. And then you go to those

626
00:33:57,839 --> 00:34:01,039
buildings on which you've imposed rent control, and you say, well,

627
00:34:01,079 --> 00:34:04,799
the landlord hasn't been doing repairs, maintenance or improvements, so

628
00:34:04,839 --> 00:34:08,400
the city has to take the building. She says exactly

629
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,400
that on a show with Sam Cedar, from last year,

630
00:34:11,519 --> 00:34:16,320
not six years ago, from last year. That is communism.

631
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,599
It's absolutely appalling. I don't think it's surprising because I

632
00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:22,840
think mum Danni is a communist as well. So the

633
00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:26,360
question is will she prevail? Will she managed to push

634
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,280
this through in a country that is not communist and

635
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,440
that doesn't tolerate communism legally, but they're going to try.

636
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,639
Why did she cry? I saw two theories. One is

637
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:40,079
that she's a cry bully that she doesn't like being questioned.

638
00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:43,480
The other I thought was really interesting. Someone said, no,

639
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:48,440
she's upset because the manner of the questioning made her

640
00:34:48,519 --> 00:34:51,599
realize that other people aren't enlightened in the way that

641
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:56,039
she is, and that makes her sad. I don't know

642
00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:58,480
why she cried, but I hope she cries more.

643
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 3: It's interesting how we have communists who aren't actually quoting

644
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,239
Marks and Lenen. I mean, they seem they seem to

645
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,239
be oddly disconnected from that. They seem to assembled the

646
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,000
whole world and inherited the whole world view and way

647
00:35:10,039 --> 00:35:13,960
of thinking without really interrogating the actual texts themselves. They've

648
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,320
got this set of received wisdom that they got and

649
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,000
where it came from, it doesn't really matter. They just

650
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,760
know that it's correct because it makes them feel good

651
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,679
and it makes them feel as though they are advocates

652
00:35:21,679 --> 00:35:23,960
for the down trodden and are here to bring a

653
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,559
wonderful situation of total equality. But when you mentioned the

654
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:30,639
whole racism thing, she gets a pass on that because

655
00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:34,880
she is extirpating her own heritage and she's performing, she's

656
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,880
doing she's doing the work. Shall we say?

657
00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:42,159
Speaker 6: You know what, TAM's I have become increasingly persuaded over

658
00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:44,760
the last ten years or so by those who say

659
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,400
that for the vast majority of these people, it's flat

660
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,159
out envy and a cover for the fact they just

661
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:55,920
want your car. They don't like you, they don't think

662
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,360
you should have the things you have, and this gives

663
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,920
them a fig leaf that they can news to hide

664
00:36:01,639 --> 00:36:04,679
that they wish to violently dispossess you of your things

665
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,480
or worse. I knew at Oxford, a Marxist professor who

666
00:36:09,519 --> 00:36:11,679
was absolutely brilliant I mean, of course it was wrong,

667
00:36:12,199 --> 00:36:14,599
but he genuinely believed all of this stuff, and he

668
00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:16,519
was well versed in it, and he could argue it,

669
00:36:16,639 --> 00:36:20,119
and he was lovely. Actually, he was extremely open minded

670
00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:22,800
and tolerant. He didn't mark anyone down for disagreeing with him.

671
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,800
But he was a Marxist and he thought it. He

672
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,719
had built this ideological framework up around himself and studied

673
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,000
Marx and that was his worldview. Fine, I just think

674
00:36:33,079 --> 00:36:35,840
so many of these people are just envious. I think

675
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,960
a lot of them are mediocrates who look around and

676
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,760
are confused why they aren't doing better than they are,

677
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,920
and ma'm Downey's come along and they've glombed onto him

678
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,880
because they think he's going to deliver that for them.

679
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,400
I think that that Marx bit is not, like my

680
00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:55,239
professor at Oxford, a real intellectual line of inquiry. But

681
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,400
it's just the words they need to utter so they

682
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,239
don't sound completely crazy or venal.

683
00:37:02,679 --> 00:37:05,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm glad you brought up envy as

684
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,800
what Tom Sole has been saying for years, that it's

685
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,719
the central organizing principle of the left.

686
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: And by the way, Charles I also had two.

687
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:17,519
Speaker 2: Excellent radical Marxist professors, one undergraduate, one graduate. They didn't

688
00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:20,000
grade you according to your opinions, and they were terrific

689
00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:21,960
to have classes with and argue with.

690
00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:25,639
Speaker 1: That's the old school style. So they are out there.

691
00:37:25,679 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 2: But a lot of them who are, as you put it,

692
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,000
you say, mediocre, I think that's a I think an

693
00:37:30,039 --> 00:37:33,159
awful lot of academics, especially lefty ones, are mediocre, and

694
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,920
deep down inside they know it. They know their kind

695
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,840
of frauds where they're intellectually insecure. I've seen this a

696
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:43,119
lot since I marinate in academia. I'm glad you mentioned

697
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:45,400
the envy for this reason. I did publish an article

698
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,639
in National Affairs back in the spring called Envy and

699
00:37:48,679 --> 00:37:51,639
Social Justice, and I was asked this question. You know,

700
00:37:51,679 --> 00:37:55,119
our social scientists explore all kinds of things in increasingly

701
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:01,119
inventive ways, especially racism. Now it's subco just racism, right.

702
00:38:01,159 --> 00:38:02,800
We all say that, you know, we're for the Civil

703
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,519
Rights Act, we don't use the N word and.

704
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 1: All the rest of that. But I say, no, you're

705
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:06,800
still really a racist.

706
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:07,079
Speaker 3: Why?

707
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:10,679
Speaker 2: And they'll devise these surveys and so, for example, if

708
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,480
you agree with the statement that the best person should

709
00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:17,360
get the job that's coded as subconscious racism. So these

710
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,800
things become self proving, you know, like a self licking

711
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,079
ice cream. And you will look around in vain to

712
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find any social scientists trying to do that same kind

713
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,760
of analysis of envy. It would not be hard to do,

714
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,199
but it's assiduously avoided by social scientists. And I think

715
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,599
we can guess why. I don't think there's no secret why.

716
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,480
And so you know, the very best book on envy,

717
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,239
that's the copious interdisciplinary study, goes all the way back

718
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,800
to nineteen sixty seven. Guy named Helmut Shecheck, a German scholar,

719
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,480
wrote a book called Envy of theory of I forget

720
00:38:51,519 --> 00:38:55,400
what them, but there's almost I've scoured a scholar literature

721
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,199
and can find almost nothing except now and then to

722
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,920
exonerate it and say, it's not a series. But if

723
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,960
we can study subconscious racism and all kinds of other things,

724
00:39:04,199 --> 00:39:05,599
we ought to be able to study envy.

725
00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 3: Two. I won't just speak that envy as part of it,

726
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:09,760
but I think it's a way for a lot of

727
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:15,639
midwind banal people to elevate themselves their post religion, so

728
00:39:15,679 --> 00:39:18,079
they have they don't have that framework on that they

729
00:39:18,119 --> 00:39:20,599
can use guiding them through the world, and so they

730
00:39:20,679 --> 00:39:23,119
just say these words which make them seem like a

731
00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:26,519
good people and smart people. It also gives them the

732
00:39:26,559 --> 00:39:29,400
free soul of a revolutionary, which ever since the nineteen

733
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,880
sixties has been the mark of an interesting person, somebody

734
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,519
who doesn't accept the current. You know, well, ever since

735
00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:37,599
eighteen forty eight, ever since seventeen eighty nine, we want

736
00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:40,239
to go back. So I think that that is a

737
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,440
great part of it. Let a shift, because there's a whole, big,

738
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,280
wide world out there, and part of it is on fire.

739
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,360
I haven't heard anything from Tehran in a day because

740
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,159
they've snipped off the internet. Even though Elon Musk, you know,

741
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,280
the guy who made the Nazi salute, that horrible man,

742
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,400
that oppressor of freedom and speech, has apparently turned on

743
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:02,000
starling for a lot of people in Iran so that

744
00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:05,639
they can get some messages out every night after twelve days,

745
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,519
is it now we see snippets of film, more and

746
00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:10,960
more people pouring into the streets, more and more flags

747
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,679
being taken down, reports that the police have switched over

748
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,960
the show. You know, the Prince makes a stay. It's

749
00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:20,679
it's poised more than it seemed to be before, but

750
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,719
I swear we've been here half a dozen times and

751
00:40:25,639 --> 00:40:27,440
I hate to be the meme of the nothing ever

752
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,800
happens guy. But I would hate to think that this

753
00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:34,639
ends with the regime still in power, especially since the

754
00:40:34,679 --> 00:40:37,719
president Postmaduro, flexing a little bit, said that if they

755
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,440
start to fire on the protesters that there will be consequences.

756
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,360
Look and learn and listen and all the rest of it.

757
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,960
So I don't know what do you guys think about

758
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,840
Iran in the next seventy two hours or so.

759
00:40:48,599 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 2: Well, although first you know, my late friend Angelo Codevilla

760
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,320
had a simple explanation for why the Cold War ended.

761
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: He said it ended because.

762
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,679
Speaker 2: The Soviet Union lost the will to shoot its own

763
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,320
people in large numbers. I like that blunt explanation, and

764
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,239
I think that the test right now is is does

765
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,360
the running regime have the will still to do that.

766
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,400
There's some evidence that the answer is yes. They have

767
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,960
called out what the IRGC out of their barracks, the

768
00:41:12,199 --> 00:41:16,280
Revolutionary Guard, and there are reports that there's a lot

769
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,199
of government violence against the protesters and large numbers of

770
00:41:20,199 --> 00:41:24,239
people are being killed. We really don't know. Information is patchy.

771
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,519
Despite startling trying to break through and so forth. And

772
00:41:28,559 --> 00:41:31,000
I'd say the last thing is is if the regime

773
00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:32,760
does fall, and of course I think we all wish

774
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,000
that it will. What an irony that the beginning of

775
00:41:36,039 --> 00:41:39,239
the end of the regime started on October seventh, twenty

776
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,280
twenty three, because it's all events since then have led

777
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:42,719
to this.

778
00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: Moment in Iran. So I'm hopeful but very worried that

779
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:47,679
it's going to be very, very bad.

780
00:41:49,559 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 3: I don't know.

781
00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 6: I have watched over and over again as we have

782
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:02,760
got our hopes up that the Iranian people will overthrow

783
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:07,960
this horrible regime, and I've stopped believing it.

784
00:42:08,639 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 3: Now.

785
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 6: That doesn't mean I'm right, but I've stopped believing it

786
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:17,199
because it's never happened. The first time in was it

787
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:24,000
twenty eleven, two thousand and nine, I assumed that it

788
00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:27,760
was going to happen because twenty years earlier the Berlin

789
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,840
Wall had fallen, and as a younger man, I assume

790
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,280
this is just what happened. I thought maybe there was

791
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:39,639
some sweep of history that guaranteed that tyrants would fall,

792
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:44,760
And now I'm just not sure. And I wonder if

793
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,079
this has lost momentum as well. Now I'm told by

794
00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:51,280
people who know an enormous amount about this, far more

795
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,400
than I do, that one of the big differences in

796
00:42:53,440 --> 00:43:00,199
this case is the economy. That the economy is so bad, right,

797
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,119
and so this is going to sound odd. I don't

798
00:43:04,159 --> 00:43:08,519
mean that in other contexts it would be an ideological revolution.

799
00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:10,360
It would be abstract in some sense. Of course, there

800
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,480
are very real material problems with the regime. But perhaps

801
00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:18,880
that changes it. Perhaps that prevents people from going back

802
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,599
to their lives as it were. But I don't know.

803
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,320
I'm getting nervous again that this is going to fizzle

804
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,800
out and that I will never see this regime fo

805
00:43:29,039 --> 00:43:31,440
I share your feelings.

806
00:43:32,519 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 3: On the other hand, we have a Venezuelan followed, which

807
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,400
is fascinating to me because in one stroke we well

808
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,679
we like I like, like I was repelling down from

809
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:49,719
the helicopter. The United States dealt a severe blow to China,

810
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:54,880
to Russia, and to Iran. Basically the don Roe doctrine,

811
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,800
as he's calling it, is saying, no, this is our backyard,

812
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,360
and you're not going to look about here. The days

813
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,840
of the Biden administration and the bombed administration, just saying

814
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,159
I'm sorry, we don't like, what you're doing, Can we

815
00:44:05,159 --> 00:44:07,559
give you some more money? Those days are over, We're

816
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,880
they're done. And so now China finds itself in the

817
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,960
back foot there and Russia, having faced one humiliation after

818
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,159
the other, right down a little tanker that we diverted

819
00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:21,519
and boarded. Love to know what was in that, probably

820
00:44:21,559 --> 00:44:25,440
never will. Seems to have given America all of a sudden,

821
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,320
a pop and a swinger. Along with the Iran decapitation

822
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,440
of the nuclear program. That is I think one of

823
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:37,159
those sort of turnarounds comparable to what we had in

824
00:44:37,199 --> 00:44:40,480
the eighties, when all of a sudden, America no longer

825
00:44:40,519 --> 00:44:44,079
believed that the military was this seventies falling apart, rusty thing,

826
00:44:44,119 --> 00:44:46,400
but actually was a competent force and a force for good.

827
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,440
And it seems like it happened a lot faster than

828
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,880
it did in the eighties. Is this So is America

829
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,599
back baby? When it comes to the armed forces and there?

830
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,119
In other words, if we're not retreating hastily with people

831
00:45:02,199 --> 00:45:04,480
firing at us and putting and dropping bombs and people

832
00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:07,280
falling out of the wheelwells the cargo plane as they

833
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,920
drop off, we can actually accomplish something. If we don't

834
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:15,480
exactly prioritize a transgender surgery for somebody so that they

835
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,199
can be on the front, then we actually are account

836
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,679
If we don't make the whole thing seem to be

837
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,440
a woke enterprise, you're actually in a corn fed fred

838
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,400
from I was signing up and saying, yeah, hell yeah,

839
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:25,800
all fight.

840
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: Well, the operational execution was just so stunningly.

841
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 2: Successful and awe inspiring, and that always has what Churchill

842
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,119
used to call a moral effect on the way people

843
00:45:38,119 --> 00:45:40,840
look at these things. And in particular, one thing that

844
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,960
I think is quite significant. People have been saying, who

845
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:48,119
no defense matters? Is we neutralize their Chinese supplied and

846
00:45:48,159 --> 00:45:53,320
Russian supplied air defense capabilities quite easily, quite swiftly, And

847
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,159
so suddenly that makes China and Russia have to doubt

848
00:45:56,199 --> 00:45:58,920
how could their stuff is if they actually come toe

849
00:45:58,960 --> 00:45:59,639
to toe with us?

850
00:45:59,679 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: Okay, So there's that. The other thing I like.

851
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,199
Speaker 2: About it is, you know, what of Trump's great skills

852
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,400
is he keeps everybody always off balance. And so you know,

853
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,159
we weren't even done with the news cycle about snatching

854
00:46:12,199 --> 00:46:15,639
Maduro before he was talking about Greenland and saying some

855
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,199
crazy things, or hegsas saying some crazy things about, no,

856
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,199
we don't rule out military force. It too, you acquire Greenland,

857
00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:25,039
which really is kind of reckless and insane, completely insane.

858
00:46:25,079 --> 00:46:26,280
But on the other hand, you can see how the

859
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,199
world's reacting. But in the middle of all this, you know,

860
00:46:29,199 --> 00:46:31,000
we kind of missed this because of all these big

861
00:46:31,039 --> 00:46:35,360
things happening in Minnesota and elsewhere. About midweek, the Trump

862
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,159
administration announced that the United States was withdrawing or ending

863
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:44,440
its membership and participation in fifty five different international agencies,

864
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,079
most of them in the UN, one of them being

865
00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:48,679
the Inner Governmental.

866
00:46:48,199 --> 00:46:50,199
Speaker 1: Panel on Climate Change. That's the head of the whole

867
00:46:50,199 --> 00:46:51,320
climate change circus.

868
00:46:51,559 --> 00:46:53,639
Speaker 2: Now, to be sure, if you had a democratic president

869
00:46:53,679 --> 00:46:56,239
in three years, they'll bring us all back into all

870
00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:01,000
those things. But still that does not without cost. I mean,

871
00:47:01,039 --> 00:47:03,599
that's you know, all the things Trump is undoing they'll

872
00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:05,440
want to redo are going to be hard to do.

873
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:07,599
And maybe the cherry on top was also in the

874
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:11,559
middle of the week, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, you know,

875
00:47:11,639 --> 00:47:14,800
the Ministry of the Media, of government run media, having

876
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,320
been deprived of federal funds, decided to close down completely.

877
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: That's a win.

878
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,519
Speaker 2: And you know, again bringing that back they can probably

879
00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:25,840
do it, but it will require some political capital, and

880
00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:28,239
we'll see they're not going to undo everything Trump does.

881
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: Which why do you.

882
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,079
Speaker 3: Hate big Bird? Why do you hate big Bird?

883
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,199
Speaker 1: Bird makes money? Is you know I've been pointing out

884
00:47:35,199 --> 00:47:35,679
for years.

885
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,079
Speaker 2: Right, My next door neighbor who passed away was the

886
00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:41,559
head writer for Sesame Street and then The Muppet Show.

887
00:47:41,679 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: So and he did very well at all that.

888
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 3: So well. Yes, as the joke goes, my agent was

889
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,920
sitting in the backseat of a car with with Sherry Lewis,

890
00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:53,400
and as a matter of fact, he shook her hand

891
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,800
and said her hand was remarkably soft. You said your

892
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,559
hand would be soft if it'd been up a lamb's

893
00:47:57,559 --> 00:48:01,159
rear for the last twenty years too, sort of work

894
00:48:01,199 --> 00:48:03,679
back when people knew who Sherry Lewis was. If you

895
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,519
know who Sherry Lewis was, and you're eager to be

896
00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:08,440
amongst people who do, that's what Ricchet meetups are for. Yes,

897
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:09,960
this is not one of those websites it just has

898
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,239
a bunch of guys blathering at you. No, this is

899
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:16,519
part of a larger community that includes guys blathering at you.

900
00:48:17,159 --> 00:48:20,599
Ricochet people get together and they meet. So if you

901
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,679
are a member of Ricochet dot com. You may be wondering, hey,

902
00:48:23,679 --> 00:48:27,000
what's up in February having a group meet up in Detroit, Michigan,

903
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,840
And we're having a group meet up in Cape Canaveral.

904
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,800
I still love the way he went back to Cape

905
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,880
Canaveral in Florida, of course in February. And if you

906
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,760
would like to meet people from Ricochet, all you have

907
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,440
to do is just sort of post your idea for

908
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,280
a meetup and they'll come to you now invited. Mind you,

909
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:44,880
they're not going to just show up at your house

910
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,679
and knock with pot dish. You got to put something together,

911
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,480
but they will. Ricochet meetups happen all over the country,

912
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,159
over the world. To learn more, you can go to

913
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,079
ricochet Join up. Yeah, it costs a little, it does,

914
00:48:57,119 --> 00:48:59,480
it's hardly anything, and it's cheap, and it gives you

915
00:48:59,519 --> 00:49:01,719
access to the member feed with the real communities form.

916
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,079
Go to the meet up page at ricochet dot com

917
00:49:04,119 --> 00:49:08,119
slash events, and there you will find out where next

918
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:12,199
people will meet. Well, gentlemen, before we go, hate to ask,

919
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:18,039
but did you have any New Year's resolutions? No? You know.

920
00:49:18,639 --> 00:49:20,760
Speaker 2: The funny the irony is I actually have been working

921
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,559
out a little bit this week, even though I didn't

922
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:25,599
make that cliche resolution that people always do.

923
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 3: I love the Babylon Babylon b had a story. Planet

924
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:33,000
Fitness offers two week gym membership for eye Charles.

925
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:38,559
Speaker 6: No, I'm not a big New Year's resolution person.

926
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: Well, but Charles, you should be.

927
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 2: I mean, if I were you, I would be resolving

928
00:49:44,039 --> 00:49:47,559
to enjoy the fact that your beloved Jaguars have performed.

929
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: So I have really paid attention out here in the

930
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,039
West Coast. And what a great season they've had.

931
00:49:51,199 --> 00:49:54,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, Trevor Lawrence is surging and looks to me like

932
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,079
you're gonna probably enjoy a nice deep playoff running.

933
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:03,119
Speaker 6: Ah, please, please, please, nervous Steave, I'm going on Sunday.

934
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:07,719
They're playing the Bills, a great team, great quarterback. I'm

935
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,400
just so nervous they're going to crash out in the

936
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:13,679
first round. But yeah, I mean, we ended thirteen and four.

937
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,840
Last year. We were four and thirteen, and I thought

938
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,840
we'd improve. I thought we had the right coach. I've

939
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,960
always believed in Lawrence, but I didn't think we'd go

940
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:26,920
thirteen and four. We were one bad PI call away

941
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,960
from being the one seed. So it was a remarkable season.

942
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,000
But I just hope it doesn't end because I'm really

943
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:32,400
into it.

944
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:36,519
Speaker 3: It will, as somebody who's been there five times will.

945
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,800
You'll live and you will feel like a fool for

946
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,320
having hoped. I know it'll come to the end of

947
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the fourth quarter and you will look back and you

948
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,719
will say, why did I even why? But the ride

949
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is wonderful, the game will yes. The nerves that you

950
00:50:51,039 --> 00:50:53,400
feel on that it's great. It's why we do it.

951
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It's why we play.

952
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Speaker 1: I am now James, the our scanning even existentials and you.

953
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Speaker 6: Was really But you see, I do deserve this because

954
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,440
at various points I have teased James about the vikings,

955
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,440
of course, and so I deserve I'm going to take

956
00:51:08,519 --> 00:51:09,320
my lumps here.

957
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:12,079
Speaker 3: Yeah. I wish you all the best and I hope

958
00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:13,920
you and your team are happy. I have to end

959
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,320
with this, Charles, we are on video at the moment.

960
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Can you I knew this right away? This is a

961
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,159
deep I wish it wasn't deep, but it is pop

962
00:51:23,199 --> 00:51:27,840
culture reference. Can you tell by looking at Stephen who

963
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,960
plays drums.

964
00:51:32,519 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 6: His shirt is it? Is it a Genesis shirt? Phil Collins?

965
00:51:37,039 --> 00:51:40,199
Speaker 3: Very very good, But what's the album Don't Move, so

966
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he doesn't see any more of the words.

967
00:51:41,679 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 6: It's a trick or treat.

968
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:48,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's trick of the tail. Yeah, yeah, that's what

969
00:51:48,519 --> 00:51:50,519
you don't know what you're wearing.

970
00:51:52,119 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: Post Phil first, post Peter Gabriel album.

971
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Speaker 3: Where we were pretty impressed and actually it's a good album.

972
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,760
It's got some wonderful songs on it. And uh, I

973
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,760
remember when it came out and I was a young

974
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,440
lad listening to that, and uh was was was gratified

975
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:09,719
that Jenny Jenny came out.

976
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Speaker 2: I think it came out in seventy six chains. So

977
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,199
this is yeah, fiftieth anniversary, which you know, we're oh, that.

978
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Speaker 6: Would be Oh, I know I wasn't born then.

979
00:52:18,199 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 3: Oh, I know this is right. Okay, all right, well,

980
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I'm gonna go downstairs and have some have some metrocal

981
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,599
and you know, take out my put my teeth and

982
00:52:29,639 --> 00:52:32,880
soak them in poly No, you didn't soak them in polydent.

983
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,400
Polydent was what you used to put them on. I

984
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,159
think it was Martha Ray with her big flashing choppers

985
00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:41,199
who was the person for that. It wasn't Jane Russell

986
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,239
who did the soaking solution. It was one of those

987
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,480
glamorur gals from the forties who popped up and you

988
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,119
know the Greatest Generations commercials in the sixties telling them

989
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:54,000
where to put their their upper plates. Yes, well, okay,

990
00:52:54,119 --> 00:52:57,800
times wing a chariot all that. But Ricochet is still young,

991
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,960
still new, still heading forth with great vigor and the

992
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bigot your enthusiasm into the new year. You can join

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us there and you will find a good place to

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read and to write, because if you're a member, you

995
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can write in the post this week it, which is great.

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We would like to thank you for going to fabric

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a start and support them for supporting us. Everybody works out,

1001
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everybody pays, everybody benefits, and you know, five star reviews

1002
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at Apple podcasts are always one of those things we're

1003
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asking you to do. I've been doing it for about

1004
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:38,360
six hundred and seventy four podcasts. Now one of these

1005
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days you're actually going to do it. The weight of

1006
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responsibility and guilt will task you to do it. Your

1007
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reviews allow new listeners to discover the podcast that keeps

1008
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the show going, that keeps Ricochet going, etcetera, etcetera. And

1009
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by the way, if you're new to this, we're not

1010
00:53:50,159 --> 00:53:52,199
the only podcast in the Ricochet. We've got a whole

1011
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,639
audio feed with all kinds of people, including the Diner,

1012
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,239
which returns this Saturday. Once I get down to it

1013
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,559
and decide exactly what I'm going to say. Am I kidding?

1014
00:54:00,679 --> 00:54:03,039
I never know what I want to say. It's been great.

1015
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Thank you Steven, Thank you, Charles. Regards to all, and

1016
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we'll see everybody in the cup. I gotta ask, what

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version are we on now, Charles Ricochet four.

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Speaker 6: Point four point fourteen point fourteen point fourteen point fourteen.

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Speaker 3: Still for three?

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Speaker 6: Still pretty big update?

1021
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well big update to come. And won't it be

1022
00:54:21,559 --> 00:54:24,360
fun when we flip the switch and everything goes dark

1023
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and scrambles and server blows up. But no, that won't

1024
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happen until it doesn't though, We'll see everybody in the comments,

1025
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said Ricochet four point oh bye bye