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and Aiden. Jake and Aiden, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 4: Hello, thank you for having us you.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much for being here. We appreciate
your time. Jake, please you go first and give us
a brief bio on yourself.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I don't know how were they gonna start,
but I grew up, I guess in Chicago, the Chicago
Land area. My parents are from Lithuania, so I'm Lithuitian.
I speak Lithuanian. I'm fluent. Growing up, we me and
my family, we used to go hiking quite a lot.
Definitely started like in the Indiana, Michigan part of the
Great Lakes. Not so much in Chicago, but you know,
that was the least thing we enjoyed. I've been, you know,
kind of all around New Mexico, Nevada, California, Washington, and
it's just kind of hikes. So I don't used to
spend a lot of time outdoors and stuff like that.
Now I'm here, I've moved to New York, go to
school in upstate. I enjoyed a cook I enjoy hiking.
As I said, camping. That's all I can think of.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: No, that's a good bio, really good job of summing
it up.
Speaker 2: How about you, Aiden, I am from Vermont, and I
grew up in the woods very much, so like always
every summer camping with my family, And when I got older,
our parents sent us to a summer camp and my
sister and I always loved anything like not proven by
science necessarily, I would say, like we left to go
out in the woods and ghost hunt. We loved to
just mess around in the woods, have fun, run around,
discover new things. And it definitely still hasn't changed. Whenever
we're home. Still she's like, oh, happy, let's go out
to the big rock, Let's do this, let's do that,
And we have a lot of fun doing that kind
of stuff. Yeah, like I said, even still I'm always
in the woods, but at college I'm not as much. Unfortunately.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's understandable. That's how normally is It sounds like
you two spend a lot of time in the woods.
You've spent a lot of time in the woods, so
the answer to this next question is probably are resounding yes.
But I'm going to ask it any way. Aiden, before
you two had that encounter that we're going to talk
about tonight, had you heard about dog Man? Did you
know what they were?
Speaker 2: Not in a way that I can remember it. It's
definitely possible that I had heard about dog Man just
in my life, but I didn't make any like connection
to it. I remember my parents always like comforting us by,
you know, whever we be scared the woods by telling
us that, you know, there's nothing out there and all
of those things exist in other states but not in Vermont,
which of course, in hindsight is definitely not true. But
like at the time, it definitely soothed me, and so
it was definitely something I believe growing up.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't it be nice of what she said was true? Yeah, yeah,
it really would be. How about you, Jake, did you
believe in dog Man? Did you even know about dog
Man before you have that encounter?
Speaker 4: I definitely like had no clue about dog Man.
Speaker 1: You know, Like I said, my parents were Lithuanian, so
they kind of believed in these kind of superstitions and
stuff like that.
Speaker 4: And they used to tell me kind of these.
Speaker 1: Like stories of you know, things they have there and
things that they heard about growing up. But you know,
like when I heard that as Can, I just thought
they were stories and nothing else. But you know, now
after our encounter everything, you know, there might be a
little bit truth to them.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, but I was never, i would say, kind of
like aiden like really into kind of like the whole
ghost hunting or these types of kind of supernatural things like,
you know, not that I've just kind of always been.
Speaker 4: A skeptic, I guess.
Speaker 1: Not that it wasn't kind of like a concrete no
or concrete Yes, It was just kind of like, you know,
maybe there's something out there, maybe there's not.
Speaker 3: You know what's ironic about how you lay that out?
Not to put words in your mouth, but it sounded
to me like you're kind of hinting at the idea
that since you were from Lithuania, then it would be
expected that you wouldn't have known about dog men. Well,
the ironic part about that is you've got dog men
in Lithuania as well.
Speaker 4: Really, was there anyone ever been on the podcast?
Speaker 3: From No One on the podcast from Lithuania, but no
encounters happened in Lithuania and Russia. I've literally spoken with
eyewitnesses from I'm pretty sure every continent except Antarctica.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're all over, they really are. Aiden Your encounter
happened at an abandoned campsite on a foggy night, Holy cow,
How much worse do you think that made your encounter?
Speaker 2: It definitely made things a lot more. We were a
lot more on edge just because we weren't as aware
of our surroundings. You know, on a clear night, we
would be able to see like tens of feet into
the woods. It probably would have been like a brighter
night than it was because without the fog, So not
having those senses like nothing at to see as much
definitely made us a little bit more on edge than
either of us usually are, since we're so experienced with
the woods.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're looking for a good site for a
creepy werewolf novel, I can't think of a better one
than an abandoned camp site on a foggy night, Like
I said, Holy Cow. Having said that, Jake, I know
you had been to that camp site before the night
that you two had that encounter. But how about you, Aiden,
Had you been there before?
Speaker 1: Actually I hadn't been there. It was Aiden who had
been there before.
Speaker 3: Oh, I got that backwards. Okay, if that's the case,
Had you ever been there before?
Speaker 1: No, that was my first time when we went together.
That was my first time just in Vermont in general.
And who knows if I'll go back.
Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, I can understand one. Do you know how
long that campsite had been abandoned or do you describe
it as being abandoned just because no one was there
at the time.
Speaker 2: It was a campsite that my family went to a
lot when we were kids, but we ended up choosing
a different one when we were when I was around
eleven and I'm twenty one now, so that I would
say ten years at the absolute most has been abandoned.
But I'd say probably eight or seven years. And it
was a lot of those like main houses, like you
know the entrance where you check in, those kind of
buildings and boards obviously gone, graffiti, that sort of stuff.
Speaker 3: What is shame and that pretty much happens all over
whenever you have a place like that that's not carefully
watched since you had been there, so many times before
with your family aiden any of those prior times, did
you ever notice anything off when you were there.
Speaker 2: Not like definitely seeing things, but always getting those feelings
that something might be around the corner at any time,
just being on edge. And I think I, as a kid,
would attribute that a lot to my sister and I
running around looking for ghosts and stuff like that. But
there are definitely times where we wouldn't be doing that
kind of stuff, where I would be in a tent
and I'd be convinced that there was something right out there.
Speaker 3: There might have been. That's the frightening part. Yeah, yeah, definitely.
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other before you had that encounter?
Speaker 4: Honestly?
Speaker 1: Pretty recent, I would say, yeah, like for a good
half a year year almost, So we met pretty recently, Yeah,
like around it I would say a little bit less
than a year, so honestly, not not for too long.
But you know, we became quick friends just because we
both kind of like outdoors.
Speaker 4: None of our other friends. We like it about us.
That's kind of I feel like how we definitely bonded
and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: A lot of mutual friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm mutual friends too, a lot. So it was
I guess it was just bound to happen, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like it. Did you meet at school
or some of the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, through school, we both were in some of the
same classes, and you know, we just kind of naturally
got to talking and meeting.
Speaker 3: Oh well, I see, well that worked out well. All right, guys,
please take your time now, tell us about your encounter.
Give us server leans detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 4: Okay, well, I guess I'll start.
Speaker 1: So basically, our encounter happened in Vermont, in Rutland County.
So basically we just kind of decided, well, Aiden needed
to go back to Vermont just to get their car inspected.
So I thought I'd tag along because I've honestly kind
of just always wanted to go, you know, to Vermont.
Speaker 4: I've heard it was beautiful. So we decided to.
Speaker 1: Take kind of like a weekend trip away and we
were staying in Reland County and just one night we
just decided to go kind of for a hike outside
well at night. Like we said, we kind of we
kind of I guess, wanted to spook ourselves out. Who
knew we we we were gonna end up seeing that.
Speaker 4: But the campsite what was?
Speaker 1: It was definitely a good few miles away uphill from
the main town or like where we were, and before
we left, we had no idea about the fog that
was gonna because down on where we were there was
no fog. And when we drove up it was definitely
a super foggy night and we kind of just had
headlamps and that's it. When we started walking, it was
kind of a little trail, like a stone gravel trail
just leading up to what is I guess used to
be the campsite or kind of now like the remains
of it. And then from there there's kind of, you know,
a place where you can kind of go uphill that's
kind of like off the beaten path. I would say,
it's not really like a I wouldn't say it's like
a designated area, but it's probably some people have gone
through because it's kind of a little bit cleared out.
So we're going up and I would say in total
how much we walked was probably from the car would
have been two to three miles, so it was quite
a bit of way. And we basically started walking up
the hill, and once we got to the top where
there was a bit of a clearing, I would say,
basically aiden needed to go relieve themselves. So I kind of,
you know, took a few steps back and turned around
so she could do her business. And well, you came
running to me basically after, you know, you said you
heard something.
Speaker 4: What did you say? It was like a you.
Speaker 2: Know, when you're in the woods and you hear a
chipmunk or something around you can tell that's small, but
you would definitely hear like the mass that was shifting
through the woods. And at any point if you hear
something like big behind you that you can't see, it's
definitely a reason to freak out. And so I got
up and I ran straight back to bag.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so she basically came running to me, and I
always say I jumped a little bit. I was like
you know what's wrong. But she basically said, yeah, there
was something big in the forest. But at first I
was like, you know, like maybe it's just like a
fox or something, or you know, just something where you
just heard something, because obviously you know, when it's like
foggy and it's dark, you know, you sometimes you just
hear things, you know, or you think you heard something,
but there's nothing there. So at first I kind of
brushed it off when I was definitely like suspecting something because,
like like I said, when you've been in the woods,
you kind of know things and you kind of can
feel things out, you know, when it's just like nothing,
and you know when there's something there. But yeah, then
basically we were like, all right, let's just go and
we're about to turn around, or we turn around, and
then that's when we definitely both heard something. Now I
can't really tell you if it was like a branch
breaking or kind of like a sweeping foot in like
leaves or something like that, but it was kind of
like a just a loud kind of noise in the woods,
and we kind of turn around and we have obviously
our headlamps on. That was kind of our only source
of light and through the fog. I would say around
ten to fifteen feet away. That's when we saw the
dog man, And at first we didn't well I guess
I'll get into that later, but what we saw at
least was that we definitely saw the head of the
dog man and kind of these broad shoulders and the
start of like almost a chest. We could see that
clearly kind of above the fog. But then we definitely
could see the outline of like kind of the upright
body between the fog. But we couldn't see it super clearly,
but we could definitely see because we'd had the lights
and we could see like the how tall basically it was,
so I would describe it.
Speaker 4: As definitely having kind of light eyes and shorter kind
of hair.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it was really long, kind of shorter
hair around the face and kind of a longish snout.
Speaker 4: But basically when we saw that, like I said earlier too, we.
Speaker 1: Kind of just stopped and stared at it for a
good well, it felt like maybe a minute, but like
I said, it could have been just a few seconds.
But we kind of stopped and stared and we didn't
say anything. We didn't really look at each other, and
it kind of looked at us with this most interest
like confusion, like yeah, curiosity, and it seemed to maybe
take a step.
Speaker 4: Forward, and that's when we just both ran.
Speaker 1: We just posted it running, and honestly, I don't think
we stopped running until we got to the car, and
it was kind of like we didn't even say anything
to each other.
Speaker 4: We just kind of ran to the car and that's it.
Speaker 1: And at first when we got into the car, it
was maybe a good few minutes of silence until we
were both kind of like, hey, that wasn't a wolf,
you know, right like like I'm not the only one
here who didn't think that was a wolf, right like,
or like you know, we both were like that's not
what we saw.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: At first we kind of bolt didn't want to say anything,
just be like, okay, like feel it out.
Speaker 4: Did this other person see the same thing? But yeah,
we both kind of like talked about it.
Speaker 1: We definitely saw the body and the face and like
the actual shoulders and stuff like that, and yeah, I
guess that's our experience. And as I was telling you, also,
I think what really saved us was kind of having
the headlights because I was thinking about it. You know,
when when you're looking at something and it's light with
light and it's dark out, they can't only see your
face your body. So I'm thinking that's probably with the
thought a lot bigger. Yeah, So that's what I think
kind of honestly saved us was having those those lambs.
Speaker 3: Definitely, And yeah, it might or might not come as
a surprise, but nothing you had on you, nothing that
you did, saved you because if that dog being wanted
to get you, you were god. But that's all. It
almost always plays out with these encounters, But I get it.
Have an accounter like that, it's gonna definitely get your
motor running. It really will. When you two got back
to class, did you tell all of your friends about
your experience or did you keep it to yourselves and
not tell the soul.
Speaker 1: We definitely did tell some of our friends, you know,
like close friends. Whether they believed us or not, you know,
that's up to that. And they seemed to, you know,
like entertain the idea at least, you know, they were like,
all right, like, you guys are crazy.
Speaker 2: They definitely thought that we were joking around at first,
because there were some other friends who meant to come
on the trip with us but couldn't. Yeah, so they
at first thought that we were just trying to make
them like, oh, look at we have this big old
inside joke that you guys aren't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think slowly, like are I think now that
we're like actually talking about and stuff like that, like genuinely,
like daily, they've kind of realized that, you know, okay,
like it's not a joke. But I think justly at
first when we got back and we're like we saw
something in the woods, they were like, okay, like you know, yeah.
Speaker 3: There's not taking you seriously. Then there's you becoming a punchline.
Whether you realize you're a punchline or not. Did you
ever get the feeling that you were a joke for
coming forward and revealing that.
Speaker 4: I felt like IO for a long time.
Speaker 1: I'm kidding, but definitely at first it was like one
of those things that you know, I think they're fine
with it. I think if they don't believe us, you know,
that's that's their thing. You know, at the end of
the day, if they don't and they make fun of us,
you know that's fine.
Speaker 4: You know, we don't need them to believe us. It's
like we know what we saw.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know what, that's fine by us. You know,
I don't need anyone's validation about this. I guess I
don't think Aiden needs either.
Speaker 3: So you know, that's a really good point. You two
were there, they weren't, So if they didn't believe you,
well they're gonna believe what they want to believe. And
that's all there is to that. When you two walked
up the hill to where you had that encounter, did
you notice a lack of ambient noise other than hearing
that large mass moving in the forest like you told
us about Eden.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely think it was. It felt very still,
like kind of like we had as soon as I
would say, kind of as soon as the fog started,
as soon as we started to really get up the steepness,
it kind of felt like time had stopped. I guess
because when we were down there, it was the time
of year where snow was melting and so yeah, a
lot of running water. But as we got up there,
you couldn't even hear that. It was no frogs, even
though pretty sure it was. You're near lake, near pong
that kind of stuff. It was just silent at that point.
Speaker 3: It was silent, so silent and foggy has a bad combo.
Speaker 2: Really very eerie.
Speaker 3: Oh no doubt. Yeah, I'd say when she came running
back to you, you brushed her off, Jake. Was that
because you thought she didn't actually hear something, or because
you thought what she had heard what wasn't all that
big of a deal to me?
Speaker 1: Honestly, it was kind of me trying to save face
and not act like I was a little scared too.
Like I was trying to maybe like, okay, well if
if AIDEN scared and I'm scared, then like that's a
bad combination. So I was trying to just kind of
maybe like calm her down so I could calm myself down.
But I definitely, you know, I definitely did think, you know,
she heard something, and I'm gonna be honest. And then obviously,
you know, she was pretty adamant about it because I
tried to brush it off and me like, you know,
maybe it was just like a little fox or something
like that, kind of like scurrying around, and she was
like like, no.
Speaker 4: I know what I heard.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, all right, well, maybe at
first I thought what it would have been was like
a bear, because you know, I have had a few
experiences with bears, so that's what I thought it was
at first, come to find out.
Speaker 3: You know, it sure would have been awfully convenient if
it was just a fox in the woods or something
like that. But you you've got to give her her due.
She's not babe in the woods. I mean, she's spent
her fair share of time out there. So if she's
telling you that, Okay, I heard something big moving around
out there, you've got to take that seriously. Now, when
you're in the heat of the battle. I can understand
why you wouldn't because you're not thinking clearly, but yeah,
with all of her woodscred you have to take that seriously. Again,
I don't fault you for not doing that, but yeah,
I mean when you've spent as much time out in
the forest as she has, that definitely counts for something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll never understand that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I mean you two are so repped up,
and understandably so, your brains can start to pour out
of your ears. That's understandable. You hadn't seen the dog
man yet, but I'm sure you were starting to ramp
up when she came back to you distressed like that,
Oh yeah, that's understandable. When you saw the dog man,
you said it was about ten to fifteen feet from you.
Was it standing still when you laid eyes on it first,
or was it coming to a stop.
Speaker 1: It was like coming to a stop, because it kind
of like we'd like we look and I would say,
like its body had just stopped.
Speaker 4: Kind of when we turned around, like kind of like
off balance, like off balance, like you.
Speaker 1: Know, one foot forward, one foot kind of back, and
kind of just then like stopped and stared at us
when we turned around. I would say, That's how I
perceived it. And then when it kind of started to
seem to take another step with the leg or maybe
the like twist or something like that, that's when we
kind of, like I said, we didn't even like say
anything to each other, like you know, like nudge each
other or anything. We just both started running at the
same time. We like we just knew what to do.
Speaker 3: I guess, well, it's understandable most people would have done that.
When you turned around it took off, though. Did you
ever hear anything behind you, like it was coming after you?
Speaker 4: I don't know. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I don't think I heard anything like, because I mean
obviously we were kind of running, like out of breath,
and and like there was leaves and stuff like that,
so we were already making our own noise, and you know,
I was not gonna look back and check or really
like that. Could it have been running after us? I
guess so, But honestly, if it was, I think it
would have caught us. You know, it was definitely tall
and big, and so I think if it was running
after us, yeah, we wouldn't be here today talking to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I also definitely think I I remember seeing it
and then I remember being in the car. I don't
think I remember in between.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's because your feet never hit the ground,
So it's understandable it is. Were you religious before you
saw that dog? Me and Eden?
Speaker 2: I grew up around religion a lot, but I never never,
like fully, we never really went to church or anything
like that. I went to a Bible camp sometimes. I
the people that my family surrounded ourselves with were religious,
but we didn't actually participate in religion.
Speaker 3: How about when you're running for the car, were you
two times more religious then?
Speaker 4: Probably?
Speaker 3: Yeah? All that. I don't doubt that at all. Did
either if you have anything on me that could serve
as a weapon, should.
Speaker 4: We I don't.
Speaker 1: I really don't think so, right. I mean, I had
like a lighter, and maybe that's a good started like
a forest fire or something like that, but an actual weapon,
I mean, other than maybe like a stick that we
would have found. I don't think we really had anything.
No knife, no nothing, because obviously we were pretty far
away from the main town, but we were still pretty
close to like society, so I didn't think there was
any reason to take a weapon, you know, or like
a little pocket knife or something like that.
Speaker 4: I don't think we even had ones.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, nothing you could have brought with it
been all that impressive or effective anyway, So no big deal,
no harm, no foul. Did you ever think about pulling
out your phones to try to snap a photo?
Speaker 1: Like I said, Well, first off, definitely not like I
wasn't thinking about taking a photo, but also, like I said,
if I wanted to, I was wearing like it was
a cold day, I was wearing two coats, and my
phone was inside the coat. So because I remember like
when we got back into the car and I was
like checking for my phone, being like, oh, my god,
what if I lost it running? And then I remember
it was like inside my coat. So even if I
wanted to, I don't think it would have been the
most strategic thing to take it out and take a photo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I growing up there and growing up at
the camp that I did after it was a lot
of no technology, and so whenever I go back, I
try to relive that. And so I had actually left
my phone in the car.
Speaker 3: Well, even if you had it on you, I don't
think he would have pulled it out to snap a photo.
Heard a good example about a year ago. This guy
was on a podcast and like he said, if you
put somebody into a cage with a lion, don't be
surprised if when they come out, if they come out
they don't have a photo of the lion. That's gonna
be the last thing you think about. So totally understandable,
it really is. Now, is this dog mean, was standing
there ten to fifteen feet from you? Was it stock
still or was it still when we stand still normally
we move a little bit at least did you notice
it twitching its ears? Was it almost repositioning a little
bit as it stood there? Like I said, was it
stock still.
Speaker 1: Definitely like it definitely wasn't you know, like I would say,
pretty still, but there was kind of like that human
sort of like twitching, kind of like repositioning maybe I
would say, I don't know how to describe it, but
like kind of like a Also because we could see
the top of the chest, so we could see kind
of like a up and down from the chest, like
breathings stuff like that. So it definitely I mean, yeah,
it was a lot.
Speaker 3: Well I don't doubt that at all. So if you
could see it clearly enough to see that it was breathing,
did it look slightly winded like it had been running
or was it breathing like it wasn't out of breath?
Speaker 4: No, it was I would say slow.
Speaker 1: It definitely kind of wasn't like a It was more
kind of just like a like a slow like kind of.
Speaker 2: I would say. At first, it even seemed like it
was kind of hold against breath.
Speaker 3: Well, that's interesting when what that was all about. It
clearly wasn't afraid of you, is so when why I
was doing that? But then again, you can't think for
these things anymore than you can think for a person,
So who knows. We never will know. Now you said
it looked curious as it was standing there staring at you.
Sometimes when people have encounters like yours, they noticed a
dog men kind of transitioning from emotion to a motion
to emotion, maybe curiosity at first, and then something else
and then anger and then maybe switching on something else again.
Was curiosity all that you saw or did you notice
any transitions?
Speaker 1: I don't know if curiosity is the best word to
put it as. I just wouldn't say that it looked
at us like nefariously or something like that, like at first,
because if I, you know, would have seen something and
it was like, you know, showing its teeth and looking
like it's growling at us, I would have instantly, you know,
ran away, and I think Aiden would have done the same.
But kind of, you know, it was kind of like
when you catch anything kind of off guard, kind of
that look and kind of staying still, kind of like
that stands still sort of moment whenever you kind of
catch somebody off guard. That's how I would put it.
And then yeah, after I would say, you know, like
maybe the minute we were there kind of just like
watching it. Maybe you know, it could have been just
you know, thirty seconds or something like that, maybe even less. Yeah,
I would say we were kind of just in that
sort of standstill type of moment, and then when we
started started to see it maybe move its leg or
twitch or that's when we started running.
Speaker 3: Those must have been the longest thirty seconds of your lives.
Holy Like I.
Speaker 1: Said, it definitely felt like maybe a minute or two,
but you know, looking back, it could have all honestly
been yeah, just thirty seconds or something like that, because
you know, our hearts were definitely kind of like I
remember hearing my heart kind of like in my ears,
like you know, hearing it pounds and kind of can
feel it like in your chest all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't doubt that at all. Understandably so too.
You said it didn't bear its teeth, It didn't growl
at you, But what was it doing with its ears?
Where its zeers standing straight up? Or did it have
them pinned?
Speaker 4: I would say penned.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like they were pretty dull, like we
could see the top like maybe the tops of the ears,
but I wouldn't say they were straight up. I mean,
I don't know how obvious this is our first encounter.
I don't know how big the ears are in general,
but I guess they were a little bit down.
Speaker 3: Huh. I see that's interesting. Did it never make any sounds?
You said it didn't growl, but they can make other vocalizations.
Speaker 2: There was definitely that as we went on, like heavy
breathing sort of sounds and kind of like hearing how
I don't know how to phrase it exactly, like how
big it's like diaphragm was, how like much breath it
could take in, and kind of like that grumble that
came out with a breath.
Speaker 3: You two deserve a lot of credit for noticing everything
you did. I mean, when you're standing there and your
brain's turned to mush, and understandably so, because here's a
dog man in front of you that's not to even
be in existence. You deserve a lot of credit for
noticing everything that you did. I'm impressed.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's definitely kind of one of those things
that once it happens, you're thinking about it every day.
Oh yeah, and I'm not even gonna lie to you.
I actually had a dream a few days ago that
I was back there up on the hill, but I
was without Aiden, and in the dream, like I remember
everything perfectly, but I was just without Aiden, and in
the dream, it actually started running after me, like almost
like ready to attack.
Speaker 4: So it was very different.
Speaker 1: And I was thinking, how you're saying, it's almost like
sometimes there can be a spiritual type of dominance. So
I was wondering if that was kind of me seeing
what would have happened in another sort of scenario.
Speaker 3: Well, thank goodness that didn't happen to you two in
real life. Aiden, It sounds like Jake has had at
least one nightmare about dog Man. How about you? Did
you have any nightmares after that experience?
Speaker 2: I would definitely say the first night after I did
you know? We were in my childhood home and I
was in my bedroom and drink was in my sister's room,
and so I was like alone and my cat had
come in the room and jumped up on my bed,
and in the moment when that kind of had woken
me up, I was like kind of straight up panic
about it. And you know, she's done that tens of times.
She's a cat. She wants to come with her human.
But I never felt like that kind of like fear,
and I was convinced that it was back in the
in my room with me, and then I realized there
was my cat. I calmed down. And then later on
in the night, I had fallen back asleep and she
wanted to leave my room and I heard her scratching
at my door, and I was like, oh, like, it's like,
it's here, it's back, And then I heard my cat's
meow and I realized that things were okay again.
Speaker 3: Thank goodness. Yeah, I bet that did get you reped up. Yeah,
while it was standing there looking at you two, what
was it doing with its arms?
Speaker 1: I would say they were pretty down by its side.
Like I said, there was the fog, so it wasn't
that we could see super clearly, but we could definitely
see an outline of the arms and the and like
the legs and like a gap between the thighs. But
could I release, I was honestly more looking outside its face,
I would say, like locked eyes in. I do remember,
like I said, I think earlier, the kind of thing
how they were like almost a lighter color, but also
that could have been because we were trying to have
the light in his face. But I kind of just
remember having eyes just locked in on its eyes, seeing
like you know, what's it's going to do next?
Speaker 3: Well, you handle that pal pretty much anyone in that
situation would have, So that's understandable. You probably don't know
the answer to this question either. This is a question
I've never asked anyone on the showd before. Some dog
men have torsos that are deeper front to back, then
their shoulders are wide. Most of them are the other way.
Their shoulders are definitely wider than their chests are deep.
Which category did this one fit into? If even saw
it well enough to notice that, or even if you
did have the ability to notice it but didn't notice it,
that's understandable.
Speaker 4: We saw it from the front, and I would definitely say.
Speaker 1: It how wide shoulders, wide white shoulders, because yeah, that's
the part that we could see the best, like I said,
was the shoulders in the beginning of its chest sort
of area and maybe a little bit of the of
the what is it forearm and then that was but
I remember, yeah, very kind of wide, broad shoulders and
a little bit of a broader back.
Speaker 2: That's definitely like the key thing that when we had
finally started talking in the car, that we kept pointing
out because whenever either of us be like, oh, but
it could have been able to like.
Speaker 4: You know, he has like, yeah, real sort of shoulders. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Well, I can only imagine the thoughts it must have
been going through your heads when you're standing there looking
at this thing. Now, as you're observing this dog man
standing there, did you notice any resemblance to any creatures
that you already knew? Did it have any features reminded
you of a hyena, any features reminded you of just
a typical timber wolf for anything else like that, or
did it just look monstrous and didn't really have a
resemblance to any known animals.
Speaker 1: I would say, now that you said it less like
a wolf and more like almost hyena ish or or
kind of like dog like, like a big dog sort of,
you know, because I feel like wolves have a little
bit of a thicker hair, sort of maine back at
the back of its head, I would say this didn't
really have that. They didn't really have like the tufts
of hair. I feel like it was a little bit
shorter from you know what I can just reclect in
my mind of like how a hyena has a little
shorter hair and same as kind of like a dog.
But now that you said hyena. I think that all right.
Speaker 2: That's especially the arch then.
Speaker 3: So it did resemble a hyena at least to a
certain degree. If that's the case, how should I ask this?
If it resembled a hyena to a certain degree, did
it have any spots? And if it did have spots,
was there anything How can I ask this without tipping
too much here? If it did have spots, was there
anything about the positioning of the spots, the layout of
the spots, anything about the spots period.
Speaker 4: That was.
Speaker 3: Gosh, I don't want to tip my hand. Was there
anything about the spots that was interesting?
Speaker 1: I don't remember having spots, if I'm gonna be honest,
Like I said when we talked to you before, I
just kind of remember it being a very almost dark
brown black fur and kind of when I said hyen,
like I think I met more kind of like the
face type, like the way kind of like a long
snow and doubly how they have kind of shorter hair.
Speaker 4: But I don't remember any spots. I don't I definitely,
I don't think they had any spots.
Speaker 2: I didn't notice any either, not all of them.
Speaker 3: Do Some of the hyena looking dog men don't have
any spots, so that wouldn't make this one they need
different from a lot of the other ones. Now, it
was standing there in the fog, But was the fog
basically up to its waist or a little higher, a
little lower? How high did the fall come up on it?
Speaker 1: Kind of right around the chest area? Yeah, it was
definitely a very thick fog.
Speaker 2: And since our lights were like concentrated on the head,
it kind of got I feel like it wasn't that
we couldn't see lower, I got fuzzy, and since we
were also so concentrated on the eye contact and staying
our eyes staying up there, that it was fuzzy and
we weren't paying as much attention down there.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's totally understandable. Like I said, I mean, you're
doing really good to notice all the things that you did,
so I still think you did a great job. How
about its muzzle though, did it's muzzle seem extra robust
or was it more in the thin side?
Speaker 1: I would say it was pretty like wide and long,
kind of like how I feel like with some dogs. Again,
it's just like for my memory recollection, but they kind
of thin out a little bit like they're a little
bit thinner than its face, but I think for this
creature was definitely pretty big and like wider than you
would normally see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that fits for a yena looking dog man. That
all fits. You said. It didn't bear its teeth at you,
It didn't growl at you, But even with its mouth closed,
could you still see its teeth?
Speaker 1: We could definitely, Like you know, when something kind of
has big teeth, you can kind of tell from its mouth.
Speaker 4: But I wouldn't say it wasn't.
Speaker 1: Like it didn't have any teeth showing like a what
is it called, like a snaggle tooth or whatever?
Speaker 4: Vesciation, Yeah, protrusions.
Speaker 3: Well, sometimes you can see their teeth with their mouths closed,
sometimes you can't. So yeah, there's no rhyme nor reason
on that. How about its eyes? Did its eyes seem
to be proportional to its head or not pretty proportional?
Speaker 1: I just remembered them being light eyes sort of like
that's what I remember the most, is I'm having light,
almost amber color looking eyes.
Speaker 3: Is it a safe bet to say that of all
the anatomical features it had, the the eyes stood out most?
Or was something else?
Speaker 4: For me? It was definitely the eyes.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can aid in kavouch of this,
but it's always because like, yeah, I was just locked
dead into the eyes. And obviously because we had our
lights kind of you know, the eyes kind of like
reflect and it's dark out and had this dark fur
that it was harder to see. Definitely also kind of
I remember seeing like the kind of nose muzzle area
and dealing the tips of the ears. But I was
locked in on the eyes for a pretty long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely think not glow as in it's creating
its own light, but like the strikingness of the eye
color was just like it stood out against anything else.
Speaker 4: Of it's of what we can see.
Speaker 1: Especially no when it's dark out and you're in the
woods and there's not much you can see. When you
see kind of these like light eyes, they really draw
you in.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure they did. With that said, though, did
they seem to be self illuminating or was it just
eye shine that you saw?
Speaker 1: I definitely think it was just eyes shine, like self illuminated,
I don't think, but I definitely think it could have
been given that type of.
Speaker 4: Vibe I guess from our lights.
Speaker 3: How about its ears. Were they on the sides of
its head or on top.
Speaker 4: I would say more on top of its head.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that all fits now from what you said earlier. Aiden,
I know there was at least one building down the
hill where you come into the camp, but up where
you were up on the hill there are campsites and
then there are campsites. Were there buildings up there also
or was it just for primitive camping?
Speaker 2: There was the occasional outhouse, and then there were some
tent platforms in the marsh areas, but there was they're
mostly just like cleared or not as cleared out anymore,
but you can tell that it's flatter in those areas
where people would have pitched their tents and then the
tent platforms and then maybe one or two outhouses scattered about,
but I don't think we happened upon those in our trip.
Speaker 3: How long did it look like it had been anyone
had been there?
Speaker 1: Definitely a good while, like it was, you know, like
there were outhouses. But you know, obviously Aiden felt more
comfortable outside on the top of the hill, So that
should definitely tell you something. You know, that's not someplace
that I would want to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd say a few years at least.
Speaker 3: Well, you know what it is, Jake. You can take
the girl out of the country, but you can't take
the country out of the girl. So that's what's behind that.
That's a good thing too. It is the first time
we spoke, you told me that you were glad that
you had that encounter. Yeah, does that mean that you
want to have another incore or you good?
Speaker 1: Definitely not another encounter, I would say, at least for me,
one was definitely enough.
Speaker 4: But you know, it's kind of one of those things
we kind of talked about.
Speaker 1: I mean, first off, you know, I feel like we're
definitely handling it pretty well just because we were together.
Speaker 4: You know, we know what we saw. We were there together,
and it's just kind of one of those things that
you see it and maybe.
Speaker 1: You're kind of I don't want to say, like glad,
I guess yeah, but like we kind of now know
that's out there and maybe can put our minds to
rest a little bit almost like obviously just kind of
rest that like, Okay, we know that there's something out there,
we know there's things there. Kind of we're just kind
of glad that we got to experience it. I guess
for me.
Speaker 2: I definitely think I have that kind of morbid curiosity
where it's like I want to fill in those gaps,
but you know, the practical side of me is does
not want to encounter that, but I can't help but
wonder like, oh, maybe if I had another chance, I'd
be able to remember those things better. And it's also
similar similarly to what Jake said, growing up and having
a lot of interest in the supernatural and things that
a lot of people didn't believe in, Like, it's definitely
nice to have that kind of thing confirmed. It's like
confirming what you believed as a child and what you
believe now, but you don't talk about as much what.
Speaker 3: A crazy world we live in.
Speaker 4: Huh totally.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. Aiden Now that you two had that encounter,
there's no going back. Does that mean that the forest
is a more exciting place for you now now that
you definitively know that dogmen are out there? Or did
having that encounter take something away?
Speaker 2: I feel like I'll definitely be more cautious because even
now I'm still out camping every summer, and they're a
lot of times I go out alone. I go out
and start days alone, just because friends are busy or
because I want to be alone. But I definitely think
I will be bringing my friends with me a lot
more nowadays, those long walks from my cabin down to
the lake, I will not be going alone anymore.
Speaker 3: We dogmen aren't the only thing out there in the woods,
so that can be a good idea anyway. Regardless, before
you two had that encounter, were you the type of
people who would have laughed as someone who told you
about having a dog man encounter? Do you think you
would have taken them seriously?
Speaker 1: Hard to say for sure. I think I would have
been kind of the one to kind of believe it,
you know. I don't think people would just like make
something like that up obviously, Like I probably would have
been kind of like the skeptic, like when Aiden was
first running to me, being like, you know, it could
have been something else, maybe you just saw something else.
But you know now that when you're in the situation,
you know what you see and you kind of know
what's going on. So now you know, if somebody does that,
I'll definitely be more likely or will.
Speaker 2: Believe though, Yeah, I think also definitely when I thought
they were making it up, I definitely would have been like,
I definitely think that's what you think you saw, you know,
like that kind of person, but definitely giving them the
credit because they saw it. We didn't, but now we
saw it, and so we definitely have a lot more
grace to give other people because we are in their
similar shoes.
Speaker 3: That doesn't come as a surprise. Both of you sound
open minded, and yeah, I didn't think for a second
you would have laughed at anyone. So that's what I
would expect. Do you two listen to dog meat encounters
on podcasts now on a regular basis or do you
try not to think about them any more than necessary?
Speaker 1: I went to the day after, maybe two days after.
We definitely listened to a good few, especially driving back.
We were trying to, you know, figure out, you know,
is this exactly what we saw? So we did listen to,
like I seventy four five six of them in total.
I since then kind of haven't really been listening because
you know, I'm trying to kind of been focusing on
our own experience and stuff like that, and you know,
it's something that you know you've experienced, it wants to
you maybe don't want to go through all the people's experiences,
you know, like hearing about it all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree a similar.
Speaker 3: I'm sure you too have both taken your share of
biology classes and other classes like that. You were standing
ten to fifteen feet from this dog man. In your opinions,
what do you think a dog miion is? What do
you think the dogman that you saw was?
Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't be able to tell you, Like,
I don't know how it got there, you know how
It's like, you know, I don't know if there's I mean,
you say there's them all over the world, so I
guess there might be kind of hurts, you know, I
don't know how.
Speaker 4: It got there.
Speaker 1: I remember you kind of we talked before kind of
about how I thought it might have been a mutated wolf,
but then obviously went through how kind of you know,
it's hard to housing mute to that amount and to
also have them all over the world, So that's a
good point. I don't know. I couldn't even tell you.
I couldn't even fathom it.
Speaker 2: I am like a bit of a nerd when it
comes to watching a lot of videos about dinosaurs and
like stuff in the fossil record, and just based off
my I guess elementary knowledge of that kind of stuff, Like,
I can't think of anything that would necessarily back up
a lineage of this animal. So it's like, I don't
know where it could have come from.
Speaker 3: Well, no one knows definitively. Of course you have people
who will cling to you, but there are no experts
on these guys. That's all there is to it. Is
there anything you two would have done differently?
Speaker 1: Definitely, if I could go back right now it at
that moment, i'd take out my phone and maybe you
start recording. I don't know. But other than that, I
think you know we did a good job. We're still
here today, so I think that's good enough.
Speaker 2: I think we definitely handled it as best as we
could have, and I don't I can't think of anything
we could have done that would have changed things.
Speaker 3: It's good to understand that. It's really good to understand that.
I think you should be commended for how well you
handled that ten to fifteen feet away from a dog man,
ahena looking dog man that was standing in the fog
at nighttime up the hill inside in a band in campsite.
Holy cow, you guys held it together. You deserve a
lot of grounds like.
Speaker 4: A horror movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a perfect plot for one. It really is.
When you two went back to class, then, were you
worn out or invigorated?
Speaker 4: I was definitely worn out.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, just spending already the weekend away
and then having that kind of experience, like you know,
you're kind of thinking. I was definitely thinking about it
straight for like a good two days. And then you know,
also like right after you have that, your heart's kind
of pumping for a bit. You kind of have like that,
I guess, like what is like adrenaline and stuff like that.
Like my heart was definitely pumping, Like it was hard
to go to bed that night, Like I was still
like laying in bed kind of just like looking up
and my heart was still like I could feel it
pumped a little bit. Yeah, you know, so I think
from that that definitely kind of tired me out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, I definitely felt that worn out too. I think,
you know, we didn't have neither of us had class
on Monday, so we definitely had that day to recover,
and I feel like by the time we were back Tuesday,
we ended up talking about it a little bit and
we were definitely felt that worn out miss, but definitely
more of like PEPs in our steps at that point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh good, You're recovered pretty quickly. Then, of course,
you go from not knowing things like that are out
there to having one ten to fifteen feet from you.
You've got the fear of that. It takes a lot
out of you when you have an experience like that,
It really does. How about the next day, the next
day after you had that encounter, were you walking around
in a fog just trying to process what happened to you?
Or were you able to process it pretty well?
Speaker 4: It was almost weird. I would say. It's kind of
like when you're walking around.
Speaker 1: But you're very aware of everything that's kind of going on,
you know, you're kind of not.
Speaker 4: On that kind of like like auto mo.
Speaker 1: You're kind of more aware, Like you wake up and
you're like, oh, okay, like this happened, I remember now
you're walking through that and that that's kind of when
we started, Like we woke up and kind of still
I would say, were a little days like you know, and
then that's kind of when we're like, okay, we need
to kind of find out what this is and so yeah.
Speaker 3: You found out first hand. There's life before it dogged
me an encounter, and you've got life after you know that. Now, yeah, definitely.
Well it's about time for us to get out of here,
but before we do, do you have any closing comments
you want to put out there for us? Aiden please
go first.
Speaker 2: I would say definitely. If your friends tell you something,
take what they say, you know, to heart, take everything
that they saw. You know, they're your friends. You should
believe them, you should back them up, you should hear
them out sort of thing.
Speaker 3: That's always good advice. How about you, Jake.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just say, you know, make sure to be careful.
You know, next time maybe you're going out, because you know,
anything could be out there, you know, so be safe,
be careful. And also I just want to say thank
you for having a sonic guys, Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Oh you're welcome, glad to bring you on, give you
a platform.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 3: Having said, thanks again so much for your time, Thanks
so much for coming on to share this experience. I
really do appreciate it. And of course have a great night.