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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guests are Jake

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and Aiden. Jake and Aiden, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 4: Hello, thank you for having us you.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much for being here. We appreciate

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your time. Jake, please you go first and give us

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a brief bio on yourself.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, I don't know how were they gonna start,

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but I grew up, I guess in Chicago, the Chicago

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Land area. My parents are from Lithuania, so I'm Lithuitian.

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I speak Lithuanian. I'm fluent. Growing up, we me and

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my family, we used to go hiking quite a lot.

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Definitely started like in the Indiana, Michigan part of the

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Great Lakes. Not so much in Chicago, but you know,

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that was the least thing we enjoyed. I've been, you know,

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kind of all around New Mexico, Nevada, California, Washington, and

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it's just kind of hikes. So I don't used to

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spend a lot of time outdoors and stuff like that.

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Now I'm here, I've moved to New York, go to

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school in upstate. I enjoyed a cook I enjoy hiking.

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As I said, camping. That's all I can think of.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: No, that's a good bio, really good job of summing

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it up.

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Speaker 2: How about you, Aiden, I am from Vermont, and I

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grew up in the woods very much, so like always

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every summer camping with my family, And when I got older,

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our parents sent us to a summer camp and my

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sister and I always loved anything like not proven by

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science necessarily, I would say, like we left to go

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out in the woods and ghost hunt. We loved to

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just mess around in the woods, have fun, run around,

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discover new things. And it definitely still hasn't changed. Whenever

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we're home. Still she's like, oh, happy, let's go out

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to the big rock, Let's do this, let's do that,

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And we have a lot of fun doing that kind

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of stuff. Yeah, like I said, even still I'm always

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in the woods, but at college I'm not as much. Unfortunately.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's understandable. That's how normally is It sounds like

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you two spend a lot of time in the woods.

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You've spent a lot of time in the woods, so

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the answer to this next question is probably are resounding yes.

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But I'm going to ask it any way. Aiden, before

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you two had that encounter that we're going to talk

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about tonight, had you heard about dog Man? Did you

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know what they were?

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Speaker 2: Not in a way that I can remember it. It's

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definitely possible that I had heard about dog Man just

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in my life, but I didn't make any like connection

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to it. I remember my parents always like comforting us by,

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you know, whever we be scared the woods by telling

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us that, you know, there's nothing out there and all

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of those things exist in other states but not in Vermont,

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which of course, in hindsight is definitely not true. But

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like at the time, it definitely soothed me, and so

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it was definitely something I believe growing up.

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't it be nice of what she said was true? Yeah, yeah,

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it really would be. How about you, Jake, did you

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believe in dog Man? Did you even know about dog

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Man before you have that encounter?

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Speaker 4: I definitely like had no clue about dog Man.

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Speaker 1: You know, Like I said, my parents were Lithuanian, so

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they kind of believed in these kind of superstitions and

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stuff like that.

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Speaker 4: And they used to tell me kind of these.

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Speaker 1: Like stories of you know, things they have there and

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things that they heard about growing up. But you know,

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like when I heard that as Can, I just thought

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they were stories and nothing else. But you know, now

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after our encounter everything, you know, there might be a

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little bit truth to them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So, but I was never, i would say, kind of

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like aiden like really into kind of like the whole

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ghost hunting or these types of kind of supernatural things like,

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you know, not that I've just kind of always been.

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Speaker 4: A skeptic, I guess.

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Speaker 1: Not that it wasn't kind of like a concrete no

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or concrete Yes, It was just kind of like, you know,

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maybe there's something out there, maybe there's not.

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Speaker 3: You know what's ironic about how you lay that out?

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that since you were from Lithuania, then it would be

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expected that you wouldn't have known about dog men. Well,

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the ironic part about that is you've got dog men

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in Lithuania as well.

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Speaker 4: Really, was there anyone ever been on the podcast?

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Speaker 3: From No One on the podcast from Lithuania, but no

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encounters happened in Lithuania and Russia. I've literally spoken with

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eyewitnesses from I'm pretty sure every continent except Antarctica.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're all over, they really are. Aiden Your encounter

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happened at an abandoned campsite on a foggy night, Holy cow,

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How much worse do you think that made your encounter?

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Speaker 2: It definitely made things a lot more. We were a

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lot more on edge just because we weren't as aware

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of our surroundings. You know, on a clear night, we

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would be able to see like tens of feet into

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the woods. It probably would have been like a brighter

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night than it was because without the fog, So not

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having those senses like nothing at to see as much

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definitely made us a little bit more on edge than

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either of us usually are, since we're so experienced with

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're looking for a good site for a

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creepy werewolf novel, I can't think of a better one

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than an abandoned camp site on a foggy night, Like

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I said, Holy Cow. Having said that, Jake, I know

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you had been to that camp site before the night

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that you two had that encounter. But how about you, Aiden,

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Had you been there before?

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Speaker 1: Actually I hadn't been there. It was Aiden who had

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been there before.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I got that backwards. Okay, if that's the case,

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Had you ever been there before?

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Speaker 1: No, that was my first time when we went together.

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That was my first time just in Vermont in general.

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And who knows if I'll go back.

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Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, I can understand one. Do you know how

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long that campsite had been abandoned or do you describe

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it as being abandoned just because no one was there

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at the time.

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Speaker 2: It was a campsite that my family went to a

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lot when we were kids, but we ended up choosing

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a different one when we were when I was around

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eleven and I'm twenty one now, so that I would

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say ten years at the absolute most has been abandoned.

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But I'd say probably eight or seven years. And it

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was a lot of those like main houses, like you

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know the entrance where you check in, those kind of

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buildings and boards obviously gone, graffiti, that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 3: What is shame and that pretty much happens all over

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whenever you have a place like that that's not carefully

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watched since you had been there, so many times before

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with your family aiden any of those prior times, did

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you ever notice anything off when you were there.

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Speaker 2: Not like definitely seeing things, but always getting those feelings

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that something might be around the corner at any time,

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just being on edge. And I think I, as a kid,

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would attribute that a lot to my sister and I

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running around looking for ghosts and stuff like that. But

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there are definitely times where we wouldn't be doing that

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kind of stuff, where I would be in a tent

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and I'd be convinced that there was something right out there.

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Speaker 3: There might have been. That's the frightening part. Yeah, yeah, definitely.

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dot com. Jake, how long had you two known each

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other before you had that encounter?

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Speaker 4: Honestly?

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Speaker 1: Pretty recent, I would say, yeah, like for a good

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half a year year almost, So we met pretty recently, Yeah,

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like around it I would say a little bit less

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than a year, so honestly, not not for too long.

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But you know, we became quick friends just because we

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both kind of like outdoors.

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Speaker 4: None of our other friends. We like it about us.

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That's kind of I feel like how we definitely bonded

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and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: A lot of mutual friends.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm mutual friends too, a lot. So it was

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I guess it was just bound to happen, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like it. Did you meet at school

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or some of the way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, through school, we both were in some of the

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same classes, and you know, we just kind of naturally

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got to talking and meeting.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, I see, well that worked out well. All right, guys,

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please take your time now, tell us about your encounter.

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Give us server leans detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 4: Okay, well, I guess I'll start.

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Speaker 1: So basically, our encounter happened in Vermont, in Rutland County.

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So basically we just kind of decided, well, Aiden needed

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to go back to Vermont just to get their car inspected.

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of just always wanted to go, you know, to Vermont.

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Speaker 4: I've heard it was beautiful. So we decided to.

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Speaker 1: Take kind of like a weekend trip away and we

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were staying in Reland County and just one night we

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just decided to go kind of for a hike outside

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well at night. Like we said, we kind of we

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kind of I guess, wanted to spook ourselves out. Who

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knew we we we were gonna end up seeing that.

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Speaker 4: But the campsite what was?

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Speaker 1: It was definitely a good few miles away uphill from

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the main town or like where we were, and before

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we left, we had no idea about the fog that

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was gonna because down on where we were there was

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no fog. And when we drove up it was definitely

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a super foggy night and we kind of just had

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just leading up to what is I guess used to

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be the campsite or kind of now like the remains

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of it. And then from there there's kind of, you know,

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a place where you can kind of go uphill that's

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kind of like off the beaten path. I would say,

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it's not really like a I wouldn't say it's like

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a designated area, but it's probably some people have gone

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through because it's kind of a little bit cleared out.

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how much we walked was probably from the car would

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have been two to three miles, so it was quite

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a bit of way. And we basically started walking up

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the hill, and once we got to the top where

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there was a bit of a clearing, I would say,

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basically aiden needed to go relieve themselves. So I kind of,

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you know, took a few steps back and turned around

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so she could do her business. And well, you came

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running to me basically after, you know, you said you

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heard something.

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Speaker 4: What did you say? It was like a you.

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Speaker 2: Know, when you're in the woods and you hear a

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chipmunk or something around you can tell that's small, but

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you would definitely hear like the mass that was shifting

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through the woods. And at any point if you hear

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something like big behind you that you can't see, it's

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definitely a reason to freak out. And so I got

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up and I ran straight back to bag.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so she basically came running to me, and I

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always say I jumped a little bit. I was like

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you know what's wrong. But she basically said, yeah, there

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was something big in the forest. But at first I

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fox or something, or you know, just something where you

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just heard something, because obviously you know, when it's like

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foggy and it's dark, you know, you sometimes you just

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but there's nothing there. So at first I kind of

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brushed it off when I was definitely like suspecting something because,

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like like I said, when you've been in the woods,

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you kind of know things and you kind of can

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feel things out, you know, when it's just like nothing,

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and you know when there's something there. But yeah, then

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basically we were like, all right, let's just go and

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we're about to turn around, or we turn around, and

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then that's when we definitely both heard something. Now I

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can't really tell you if it was like a branch

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breaking or kind of like a sweeping foot in like

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leaves or something like that, but it was kind of

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like a just a loud kind of noise in the woods,

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and we kind of turn around and we have obviously

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our headlamps on. That was kind of our only source

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of light and through the fog. I would say around

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ten to fifteen feet away. That's when we saw the

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dog man, And at first we didn't well I guess

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I'll get into that later, but what we saw at

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least was that we definitely saw the head of the

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dog man and kind of these broad shoulders and the

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start of like almost a chest. We could see that

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clearly kind of above the fog. But then we definitely

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could see the outline of like kind of the upright

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body between the fog. But we couldn't see it super clearly,

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but we could definitely see because we'd had the lights

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and we could see like the how tall basically it was,

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so I would describe it.

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Speaker 4: As definitely having kind of light eyes and shorter kind

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of hair.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it was really long, kind of shorter

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hair around the face and kind of a longish snout.

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Speaker 4: But basically when we saw that, like I said earlier too, we.

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Speaker 1: Kind of just stopped and stared at it for a

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good well, it felt like maybe a minute, but like

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I said, it could have been just a few seconds.

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But we kind of stopped and stared and we didn't

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say anything. We didn't really look at each other, and

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it kind of looked at us with this most interest

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like confusion, like yeah, curiosity, and it seemed to maybe

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take a step.

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Speaker 4: Forward, and that's when we just both ran.

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Speaker 1: We just posted it running, and honestly, I don't think

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we stopped running until we got to the car, and

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it was kind of like we didn't even say anything

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to each other.

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Speaker 4: We just kind of ran to the car and that's it.

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Speaker 1: And at first when we got into the car, it

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was maybe a good few minutes of silence until we

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were both kind of like, hey, that wasn't a wolf,

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you know, right like like I'm not the only one

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here who didn't think that was a wolf, right like,

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or like you know, we both were like that's not

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what we saw.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: At first we kind of bolt didn't want to say anything,

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just be like, okay, like feel it out.

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Speaker 4: Did this other person see the same thing? But yeah,

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we both kind of like talked about it.

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Speaker 1: We definitely saw the body and the face and like

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the actual shoulders and stuff like that, and yeah, I

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guess that's our experience. And as I was telling you, also,

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I think what really saved us was kind of having

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the headlights because I was thinking about it. You know,

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when when you're looking at something and it's light with

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light and it's dark out, they can't only see your

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face your body. So I'm thinking that's probably with the

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thought a lot bigger. Yeah, So that's what I think

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kind of honestly saved us was having those those lambs.

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Speaker 3: Definitely, And yeah, it might or might not come as

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a surprise, but nothing you had on you, nothing that

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you did, saved you because if that dog being wanted

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to get you, you were god. But that's all. It

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almost always plays out with these encounters, But I get it.

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Have an accounter like that, it's gonna definitely get your

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motor running. It really will. When you two got back

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to class, did you tell all of your friends about

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your experience or did you keep it to yourselves and

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not tell the soul.

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Speaker 1: We definitely did tell some of our friends, you know,

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like close friends. Whether they believed us or not, you know,

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that's up to that. And they seemed to, you know,

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like entertain the idea at least, you know, they were like,

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all right, like, you guys are crazy.

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Speaker 2: They definitely thought that we were joking around at first,

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because there were some other friends who meant to come

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on the trip with us but couldn't. Yeah, so they

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at first thought that we were just trying to make

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them like, oh, look at we have this big old

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inside joke that you guys aren't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think slowly, like are I think now that

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we're like actually talking about and stuff like that, like genuinely,

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like daily, they've kind of realized that, you know, okay,

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like it's not a joke. But I think justly at

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first when we got back and we're like we saw

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something in the woods, they were like, okay, like you know, yeah.

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Speaker 3: There's not taking you seriously. Then there's you becoming a punchline.

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Whether you realize you're a punchline or not. Did you

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ever get the feeling that you were a joke for

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coming forward and revealing that.

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Speaker 4: I felt like IO for a long time.

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Speaker 1: I'm kidding, but definitely at first it was like one

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of those things that you know, I think they're fine

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with it. I think if they don't believe us, you know,

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that's that's their thing. You know, at the end of

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the day, if they don't and they make fun of us,

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you know that's fine.

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Speaker 4: You know, we don't need them to believe us. It's

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like we know what we saw.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know what, that's fine by us. You know,

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I don't need anyone's validation about this. I guess I

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don't think Aiden needs either.

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Speaker 3: So you know, that's a really good point. You two

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were there, they weren't, So if they didn't believe you,

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well they're gonna believe what they want to believe. And

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that's all there is to that. When you two walked

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up the hill to where you had that encounter, did

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you notice a lack of ambient noise other than hearing

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that large mass moving in the forest like you told

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us about Eden.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely think it was. It felt very still,

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like kind of like we had as soon as I

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would say, kind of as soon as the fog started,

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as soon as we started to really get up the steepness,

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it kind of felt like time had stopped. I guess

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because when we were down there, it was the time

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of year where snow was melting and so yeah, a

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lot of running water. But as we got up there,

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you couldn't even hear that. It was no frogs, even

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though pretty sure it was. You're near lake, near pong

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that kind of stuff. It was just silent at that point.

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Speaker 3: It was silent, so silent and foggy has a bad combo.

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Speaker 2: Really very eerie.

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Speaker 3: Oh no doubt. Yeah, I'd say when she came running

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back to you, you brushed her off, Jake. Was that

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because you thought she didn't actually hear something, or because

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you thought what she had heard what wasn't all that

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big of a deal to me?

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Speaker 1: Honestly, it was kind of me trying to save face

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and not act like I was a little scared too.

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Like I was trying to maybe like, okay, well if

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if AIDEN scared and I'm scared, then like that's a

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bad combination. So I was trying to just kind of

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maybe like calm her down so I could calm myself down.

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But I definitely, you know, I definitely did think, you know,

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she heard something, and I'm gonna be honest. And then obviously,

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you know, she was pretty adamant about it because I

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tried to brush it off and me like, you know,

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maybe it was just like a little fox or something

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like that, kind of like scurrying around, and she was

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like like, no.

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Speaker 4: I know what I heard.

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Speaker 1: And then I was like, all right, well, maybe at

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first I thought what it would have been was like

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a bear, because you know, I have had a few

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experiences with bears, so that's what I thought it was

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at first, come to find out.

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Speaker 3: You know, it sure would have been awfully convenient if

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it was just a fox in the woods or something

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like that. But you you've got to give her her due.

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She's not babe in the woods. I mean, she's spent

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her fair share of time out there. So if she's

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telling you that, Okay, I heard something big moving around

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out there, you've got to take that seriously. Now, when

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you're in the heat of the battle. I can understand

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why you wouldn't because you're not thinking clearly, but yeah,

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with all of her woodscred you have to take that seriously. Again,

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I don't fault you for not doing that, but yeah,

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I mean when you've spent as much time out in

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the forest as she has, that definitely counts for something.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll never understand that. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I mean you two are so repped up,

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and understandably so, your brains can start to pour out

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of your ears. That's understandable. You hadn't seen the dog

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man yet, but I'm sure you were starting to ramp

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up when she came back to you distressed like that,

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Oh yeah, that's understandable. When you saw the dog man,

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you said it was about ten to fifteen feet from you.

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Was it standing still when you laid eyes on it first,

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or was it coming to a stop.

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Speaker 1: It was like coming to a stop, because it kind

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of like we'd like we look and I would say,

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like its body had just stopped.

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Speaker 4: Kind of when we turned around, like kind of like

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off balance, like off balance, like you.

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Speaker 1: Know, one foot forward, one foot kind of back, and

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kind of just then like stopped and stared at us

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when we turned around. I would say, That's how I

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perceived it. And then when it kind of started to

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seem to take another step with the leg or maybe

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the like twist or something like that, that's when we

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kind of, like I said, we didn't even like say

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anything to each other, like you know, like nudge each

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other or anything. We just both started running at the

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same time. We like we just knew what to do.

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Speaker 3: I guess, well, it's understandable most people would have done that.

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When you turned around it took off, though. Did you

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ever hear anything behind you, like it was coming after you?

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I heard anything like, because I mean

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obviously we were kind of running, like out of breath,

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and and like there was leaves and stuff like that,

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so we were already making our own noise, and you know,

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I was not gonna look back and check or really

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like that. Could it have been running after us? I

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guess so, But honestly, if it was, I think it

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would have caught us. You know, it was definitely tall

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and big, and so I think if it was running

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after us, yeah, we wouldn't be here today talking to you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I also definitely think I I remember seeing it

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and then I remember being in the car. I don't

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think I remember in between.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's because your feet never hit the ground,

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So it's understandable it is. Were you religious before you

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saw that dog? Me and Eden?

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Speaker 2: I grew up around religion a lot, but I never never,

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like fully, we never really went to church or anything

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like that. I went to a Bible camp sometimes. I

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the people that my family surrounded ourselves with were religious,

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but we didn't actually participate in religion.

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Speaker 3: How about when you're running for the car, were you

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two times more religious then?

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Speaker 4: Probably?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? All that. I don't doubt that at all. Did

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either if you have anything on me that could serve

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as a weapon, should.

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Speaker 4: We I don't.

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Speaker 1: I really don't think so, right. I mean, I had

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like a lighter, and maybe that's a good started like

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a forest fire or something like that, but an actual weapon,

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I mean, other than maybe like a stick that we

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would have found. I don't think we really had anything.

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No knife, no nothing, because obviously we were pretty far

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away from the main town, but we were still pretty

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close to like society, so I didn't think there was

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any reason to take a weapon, you know, or like

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a little pocket knife or something like that.

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Speaker 4: I don't think we even had ones.

476
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Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, nothing you could have brought with it

477
00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:04,039
been all that impressive or effective anyway, So no big deal,

478
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,839
no harm, no foul. Did you ever think about pulling

479
00:26:06,839 --> 00:26:08,839
out your phones to try to snap a photo?

480
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 1: Like I said, Well, first off, definitely not like I

481
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,359
wasn't thinking about taking a photo, but also, like I said,

482
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,359
if I wanted to, I was wearing like it was

483
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,400
a cold day, I was wearing two coats, and my

484
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,039
phone was inside the coat. So because I remember like

485
00:26:24,599 --> 00:26:27,319
when we got back into the car and I was

486
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,079
like checking for my phone, being like, oh, my god,

487
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,720
what if I lost it running? And then I remember

488
00:26:31,759 --> 00:26:33,279
it was like inside my coat. So even if I

489
00:26:33,319 --> 00:26:34,960
wanted to, I don't think it would have been the

490
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,960
most strategic thing to take it out and take a photo.

491
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I growing up there and growing up at

492
00:26:43,559 --> 00:26:46,079
the camp that I did after it was a lot

493
00:26:46,079 --> 00:26:48,400
of no technology, and so whenever I go back, I

494
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,440
try to relive that. And so I had actually left

495
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:52,400
my phone in the car.

496
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,559
Speaker 3: Well, even if you had it on you, I don't

497
00:26:55,599 --> 00:26:57,680
think he would have pulled it out to snap a photo.

498
00:26:58,079 --> 00:27:00,440
Heard a good example about a year ago. This guy

499
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:03,559
was on a podcast and like he said, if you

500
00:27:03,599 --> 00:27:06,440
put somebody into a cage with a lion, don't be

501
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,039
surprised if when they come out, if they come out

502
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,519
they don't have a photo of the lion. That's gonna

503
00:27:11,559 --> 00:27:15,519
be the last thing you think about. So totally understandable,

504
00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:18,640
it really is. Now, is this dog mean, was standing

505
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,839
there ten to fifteen feet from you? Was it stock

506
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,400
still or was it still when we stand still normally

507
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,799
we move a little bit at least did you notice

508
00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:34,000
it twitching its ears? Was it almost repositioning a little

509
00:27:34,039 --> 00:27:36,440
bit as it stood there? Like I said, was it

510
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,759
stock still.

511
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,759
Speaker 1: Definitely like it definitely wasn't you know, like I would say,

512
00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:45,920
pretty still, but there was kind of like that human

513
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:51,000
sort of like twitching, kind of like repositioning maybe I

514
00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:52,559
would say, I don't know how to describe it, but

515
00:27:52,599 --> 00:27:54,720
like kind of like a Also because we could see

516
00:27:54,759 --> 00:27:56,480
the top of the chest, so we could see kind

517
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,119
of like a up and down from the chest, like

518
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:04,960
breathings stuff like that. So it definitely I mean, yeah,

519
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:05,759
it was a lot.

520
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,599
Speaker 3: Well I don't doubt that at all. So if you

521
00:28:09,599 --> 00:28:12,160
could see it clearly enough to see that it was breathing,

522
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,480
did it look slightly winded like it had been running

523
00:28:16,599 --> 00:28:19,599
or was it breathing like it wasn't out of breath?

524
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 4: No, it was I would say slow.

525
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: It definitely kind of wasn't like a It was more

526
00:28:25,519 --> 00:28:30,720
kind of just like a like a slow like kind of.

527
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,559
Speaker 2: I would say. At first, it even seemed like it

528
00:28:31,599 --> 00:28:32,960
was kind of hold against breath.

529
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 3: Well, that's interesting when what that was all about. It

530
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,759
clearly wasn't afraid of you, is so when why I

531
00:28:39,839 --> 00:28:42,519
was doing that? But then again, you can't think for

532
00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:45,000
these things anymore than you can think for a person,

533
00:28:45,319 --> 00:28:49,720
So who knows. We never will know. Now you said

534
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,839
it looked curious as it was standing there staring at you.

535
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,119
Sometimes when people have encounters like yours, they noticed a

536
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,279
dog men kind of transitioning from emotion to a motion

537
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:05,799
to emotion, maybe curiosity at first, and then something else

538
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,920
and then anger and then maybe switching on something else again.

539
00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:15,039
Was curiosity all that you saw or did you notice

540
00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:16,119
any transitions?

541
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if curiosity is the best word to

542
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,920
put it as. I just wouldn't say that it looked

543
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,880
at us like nefariously or something like that, like at first,

544
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,079
because if I, you know, would have seen something and

545
00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:32,240
it was like, you know, showing its teeth and looking

546
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,000
like it's growling at us, I would have instantly, you know,

547
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,119
ran away, and I think Aiden would have done the same.

548
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,079
But kind of, you know, it was kind of like

549
00:29:40,119 --> 00:29:42,759
when you catch anything kind of off guard, kind of

550
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:46,880
that look and kind of staying still, kind of like

551
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,680
that stands still sort of moment whenever you kind of

552
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:54,319
catch somebody off guard. That's how I would put it.

553
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,759
And then yeah, after I would say, you know, like

554
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,720
maybe the minute we were there kind of just like

555
00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:00,839
watching it. Maybe you know, it could have been just

556
00:30:01,079 --> 00:30:05,160
you know, thirty seconds or something like that, maybe even less. Yeah,

557
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,599
I would say we were kind of just in that

558
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,599
sort of standstill type of moment, and then when we

559
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,319
started started to see it maybe move its leg or

560
00:30:14,359 --> 00:30:16,160
twitch or that's when we started running.

561
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 3: Those must have been the longest thirty seconds of your lives.

562
00:30:20,599 --> 00:30:21,640
Holy Like I.

563
00:30:21,599 --> 00:30:23,799
Speaker 1: Said, it definitely felt like maybe a minute or two,

564
00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:25,960
but you know, looking back, it could have all honestly

565
00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:28,720
been yeah, just thirty seconds or something like that, because

566
00:30:28,759 --> 00:30:30,640
you know, our hearts were definitely kind of like I

567
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,359
remember hearing my heart kind of like in my ears,

568
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,640
like you know, hearing it pounds and kind of can

569
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,720
feel it like in your chest all that.

570
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't doubt that at all. Understandably so too.

571
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,680
You said it didn't bear its teeth, It didn't growl

572
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,039
at you, But what was it doing with its ears?

573
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,079
Where its zeers standing straight up? Or did it have

574
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:51,799
them pinned?

575
00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 4: I would say penned.

576
00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like they were pretty dull, like we

577
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,960
could see the top like maybe the tops of the ears,

578
00:31:04,319 --> 00:31:06,160
but I wouldn't say they were straight up. I mean,

579
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,839
I don't know how obvious this is our first encounter.

580
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,559
I don't know how big the ears are in general,

581
00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:16,279
but I guess they were a little bit down.

582
00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 3: Huh. I see that's interesting. Did it never make any sounds?

583
00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:27,119
You said it didn't growl, but they can make other vocalizations.

584
00:31:28,839 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: There was definitely that as we went on, like heavy

585
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:38,319
breathing sort of sounds and kind of like hearing how

586
00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:41,440
I don't know how to phrase it exactly, like how

587
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,960
big it's like diaphragm was, how like much breath it

588
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,240
could take in, and kind of like that grumble that

589
00:31:46,319 --> 00:31:47,559
came out with a breath.

590
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:51,319
Speaker 3: You two deserve a lot of credit for noticing everything

591
00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:54,759
you did. I mean, when you're standing there and your

592
00:31:54,799 --> 00:31:58,200
brain's turned to mush, and understandably so, because here's a

593
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,440
dog man in front of you that's not to even

594
00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:03,920
be in existence. You deserve a lot of credit for

595
00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:06,279
noticing everything that you did. I'm impressed.

596
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,119
Speaker 1: I mean, it's definitely kind of one of those things

597
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,839
that once it happens, you're thinking about it every day.

598
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,079
Oh yeah, and I'm not even gonna lie to you.

599
00:32:14,759 --> 00:32:16,759
I actually had a dream a few days ago that

600
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,519
I was back there up on the hill, but I

601
00:32:19,559 --> 00:32:23,559
was without Aiden, and in the dream, like I remember

602
00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:25,680
everything perfectly, but I was just without Aiden, and in

603
00:32:25,759 --> 00:32:29,279
the dream, it actually started running after me, like almost

604
00:32:29,359 --> 00:32:30,200
like ready to attack.

605
00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 4: So it was very different.

606
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:33,359
Speaker 1: And I was thinking, how you're saying, it's almost like

607
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,039
sometimes there can be a spiritual type of dominance. So

608
00:32:36,079 --> 00:32:39,079
I was wondering if that was kind of me seeing

609
00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:42,359
what would have happened in another sort of scenario.

610
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,839
Speaker 3: Well, thank goodness that didn't happen to you two in

611
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,799
real life. Aiden, It sounds like Jake has had at

612
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,920
least one nightmare about dog Man. How about you? Did

613
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,039
you have any nightmares after that experience?

614
00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: I would definitely say the first night after I did

615
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,319
you know? We were in my childhood home and I

616
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,039
was in my bedroom and drink was in my sister's room,

617
00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:10,319
and so I was like alone and my cat had

618
00:33:10,319 --> 00:33:13,039
come in the room and jumped up on my bed,

619
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,960
and in the moment when that kind of had woken

620
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,319
me up, I was like kind of straight up panic

621
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,279
about it. And you know, she's done that tens of times.

622
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,119
She's a cat. She wants to come with her human.

623
00:33:28,319 --> 00:33:30,720
But I never felt like that kind of like fear,

624
00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:32,559
and I was convinced that it was back in the

625
00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:36,839
in my room with me, and then I realized there

626
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,480
was my cat. I calmed down. And then later on

627
00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:41,519
in the night, I had fallen back asleep and she

628
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,160
wanted to leave my room and I heard her scratching

629
00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:49,160
at my door, and I was like, oh, like, it's like,

630
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:53,720
it's here, it's back, And then I heard my cat's

631
00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:57,759
meow and I realized that things were okay again.

632
00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:03,359
Speaker 3: Thank goodness. Yeah, I bet that did get you reped up. Yeah,

633
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,759
while it was standing there looking at you two, what

634
00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:08,199
was it doing with its arms?

635
00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:12,519
Speaker 1: I would say they were pretty down by its side.

636
00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:15,119
Like I said, there was the fog, so it wasn't

637
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:17,960
that we could see super clearly, but we could definitely

638
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,320
see an outline of the arms and the and like

639
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:25,159
the legs and like a gap between the thighs. But

640
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,480
could I release, I was honestly more looking outside its face,

641
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,960
I would say, like locked eyes in. I do remember,

642
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,760
like I said, I think earlier, the kind of thing

643
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,679
how they were like almost a lighter color, but also

644
00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:37,960
that could have been because we were trying to have

645
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:40,360
the light in his face. But I kind of just

646
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,039
remember having eyes just locked in on its eyes, seeing

647
00:34:44,039 --> 00:34:45,960
like you know, what's it's going to do next?

648
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,079
Speaker 3: Well, you handle that pal pretty much anyone in that

649
00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:54,800
situation would have, So that's understandable. You probably don't know

650
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,599
the answer to this question either. This is a question

651
00:34:57,639 --> 00:35:01,000
I've never asked anyone on the showd before. Some dog

652
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:05,039
men have torsos that are deeper front to back, then

653
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,880
their shoulders are wide. Most of them are the other way.

654
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,239
Their shoulders are definitely wider than their chests are deep.

655
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,360
Which category did this one fit into? If even saw

656
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,920
it well enough to notice that, or even if you

657
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,800
did have the ability to notice it but didn't notice it,

658
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:23,360
that's understandable.

659
00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:26,519
Speaker 4: We saw it from the front, and I would definitely say.

660
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:31,679
Speaker 1: It how wide shoulders, wide white shoulders, because yeah, that's

661
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,519
the part that we could see the best, like I said,

662
00:35:33,679 --> 00:35:36,599
was the shoulders in the beginning of its chest sort

663
00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:38,400
of area and maybe a little bit of the of

664
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,119
the what is it forearm and then that was but

665
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,039
I remember, yeah, very kind of wide, broad shoulders and

666
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,599
a little bit of a broader back.

667
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,079
Speaker 2: That's definitely like the key thing that when we had

668
00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:53,719
finally started talking in the car, that we kept pointing

669
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,360
out because whenever either of us be like, oh, but

670
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:57,519
it could have been able to like.

671
00:35:59,199 --> 00:36:03,119
Speaker 4: You know, he has like, yeah, real sort of shoulders. Yeah, exactly.

672
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,079
Speaker 3: Well, I can only imagine the thoughts it must have

673
00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:08,239
been going through your heads when you're standing there looking

674
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,199
at this thing. Now, as you're observing this dog man

675
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:17,920
standing there, did you notice any resemblance to any creatures

676
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,440
that you already knew? Did it have any features reminded

677
00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:25,280
you of a hyena, any features reminded you of just

678
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,079
a typical timber wolf for anything else like that, or

679
00:36:29,159 --> 00:36:32,880
did it just look monstrous and didn't really have a

680
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,760
resemblance to any known animals.

681
00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:40,159
Speaker 1: I would say, now that you said it less like

682
00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:44,800
a wolf and more like almost hyena ish or or

683
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,960
kind of like dog like, like a big dog sort of,

684
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,360
you know, because I feel like wolves have a little

685
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,639
bit of a thicker hair, sort of maine back at

686
00:36:54,639 --> 00:36:56,679
the back of its head, I would say this didn't

687
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,280
really have that. They didn't really have like the tufts

688
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,199
of hair. I feel like it was a little bit

689
00:37:01,199 --> 00:37:03,559
shorter from you know what I can just reclect in

690
00:37:03,559 --> 00:37:05,199
my mind of like how a hyena has a little

691
00:37:05,199 --> 00:37:08,639
shorter hair and same as kind of like a dog.

692
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,239
But now that you said hyena. I think that all right.

693
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 2: That's especially the arch then.

694
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 3: So it did resemble a hyena at least to a

695
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:24,639
certain degree. If that's the case, how should I ask this?

696
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:32,960
If it resembled a hyena to a certain degree, did

697
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,039
it have any spots? And if it did have spots,

698
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:42,639
was there anything How can I ask this without tipping

699
00:37:42,679 --> 00:37:46,639
too much here? If it did have spots, was there

700
00:37:46,679 --> 00:37:50,199
anything about the positioning of the spots, the layout of

701
00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:53,519
the spots, anything about the spots period.

702
00:37:53,159 --> 00:37:55,519
Speaker 4: That was.

703
00:37:58,599 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 3: Gosh, I don't want to tip my hand. Was there

704
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,920
anything about the spots that was interesting?

705
00:38:05,079 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: I don't remember having spots, if I'm gonna be honest,

706
00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:10,119
Like I said when we talked to you before, I

707
00:38:10,199 --> 00:38:12,199
just kind of remember it being a very almost dark

708
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,599
brown black fur and kind of when I said hyen,

709
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,480
like I think I met more kind of like the

710
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:23,079
face type, like the way kind of like a long

711
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:26,280
snow and doubly how they have kind of shorter hair.

712
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,039
Speaker 4: But I don't remember any spots. I don't I definitely,

713
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,800
I don't think they had any spots.

714
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,199
Speaker 2: I didn't notice any either, not all of them.

715
00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 3: Do Some of the hyena looking dog men don't have

716
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,440
any spots, so that wouldn't make this one they need

717
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,639
different from a lot of the other ones. Now, it

718
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,480
was standing there in the fog, But was the fog

719
00:38:48,599 --> 00:38:51,840
basically up to its waist or a little higher, a

720
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,360
little lower? How high did the fall come up on it?

721
00:38:56,119 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: Kind of right around the chest area? Yeah, it was

722
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,440
definitely a very thick fog.

723
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,519
Speaker 2: And since our lights were like concentrated on the head,

724
00:39:05,519 --> 00:39:07,719
it kind of got I feel like it wasn't that

725
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,119
we couldn't see lower, I got fuzzy, and since we

726
00:39:11,159 --> 00:39:14,960
were also so concentrated on the eye contact and staying

727
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:18,639
our eyes staying up there, that it was fuzzy and

728
00:39:18,679 --> 00:39:20,719
we weren't paying as much attention down there.

729
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 3: Oh, that's totally understandable. Like I said, I mean, you're

730
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,679
doing really good to notice all the things that you did,

731
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:31,920
so I still think you did a great job. How

732
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:36,639
about its muzzle though, did it's muzzle seem extra robust

733
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,519
or was it more in the thin side?

734
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: I would say it was pretty like wide and long,

735
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,960
kind of like how I feel like with some dogs. Again,

736
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,760
it's just like for my memory recollection, but they kind

737
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,400
of thin out a little bit like they're a little

738
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,360
bit thinner than its face, but I think for this

739
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,559
creature was definitely pretty big and like wider than you

740
00:39:58,559 --> 00:39:59,760
would normally see.

741
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, that fits for a yena looking dog man. That

742
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:08,920
all fits. You said. It didn't bear its teeth at you,

743
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,559
It didn't growl at you, But even with its mouth closed,

744
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,280
could you still see its teeth?

745
00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:19,039
Speaker 1: We could definitely, Like you know, when something kind of

746
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:23,760
has big teeth, you can kind of tell from its mouth.

747
00:40:24,039 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 4: But I wouldn't say it wasn't.

748
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: Like it didn't have any teeth showing like a what

749
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,280
is it called, like a snaggle tooth or whatever?

750
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,079
Speaker 4: Vesciation, Yeah, protrusions.

751
00:40:36,679 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 3: Well, sometimes you can see their teeth with their mouths closed,

752
00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:43,719
sometimes you can't. So yeah, there's no rhyme nor reason

753
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,760
on that. How about its eyes? Did its eyes seem

754
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:51,800
to be proportional to its head or not pretty proportional?

755
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: I just remembered them being light eyes sort of like

756
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,199
that's what I remember the most, is I'm having light,

757
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,239
almost amber color looking eyes.

758
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,679
Speaker 3: Is it a safe bet to say that of all

759
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,599
the anatomical features it had, the the eyes stood out most?

760
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:12,920
Or was something else?

761
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,679
Speaker 4: For me? It was definitely the eyes.

762
00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:17,119
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can aid in kavouch of this,

763
00:41:17,159 --> 00:41:20,000
but it's always because like, yeah, I was just locked

764
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,920
dead into the eyes. And obviously because we had our

765
00:41:24,039 --> 00:41:25,679
lights kind of you know, the eyes kind of like

766
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,920
reflect and it's dark out and had this dark fur

767
00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:32,519
that it was harder to see. Definitely also kind of

768
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,960
I remember seeing like the kind of nose muzzle area

769
00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:39,960
and dealing the tips of the ears. But I was

770
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:42,840
locked in on the eyes for a pretty long time.

771
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely think not glow as in it's creating

772
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:51,760
its own light, but like the strikingness of the eye

773
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,760
color was just like it stood out against anything else.

774
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,039
Speaker 4: Of it's of what we can see.

775
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: Especially no when it's dark out and you're in the

776
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,239
woods and there's not much you can see. When you

777
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,559
see kind of these like light eyes, they really draw

778
00:42:05,639 --> 00:42:06,000
you in.

779
00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure they did. With that said, though, did

780
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,159
they seem to be self illuminating or was it just

781
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:14,360
eye shine that you saw?

782
00:42:14,559 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: I definitely think it was just eyes shine, like self illuminated,

783
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,559
I don't think, but I definitely think it could have

784
00:42:20,639 --> 00:42:22,039
been given that type of.

785
00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 4: Vibe I guess from our lights.

786
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,639
Speaker 3: How about its ears. Were they on the sides of

787
00:42:29,679 --> 00:42:31,199
its head or on top.

788
00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:33,079
Speaker 4: I would say more on top of its head.

789
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that all fits now from what you said earlier. Aiden,

790
00:42:39,039 --> 00:42:41,599
I know there was at least one building down the

791
00:42:41,679 --> 00:42:44,280
hill where you come into the camp, but up where

792
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,119
you were up on the hill there are campsites and

793
00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:50,239
then there are campsites. Were there buildings up there also

794
00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:52,719
or was it just for primitive camping?

795
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 2: There was the occasional outhouse, and then there were some

796
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:02,960
tent platforms in the marsh areas, but there was they're

797
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,320
mostly just like cleared or not as cleared out anymore,

798
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,639
but you can tell that it's flatter in those areas

799
00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:11,559
where people would have pitched their tents and then the

800
00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:16,679
tent platforms and then maybe one or two outhouses scattered about,

801
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,440
but I don't think we happened upon those in our trip.

802
00:43:21,559 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 3: How long did it look like it had been anyone

803
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:24,679
had been there?

804
00:43:26,559 --> 00:43:29,159
Speaker 1: Definitely a good while, like it was, you know, like

805
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:32,599
there were outhouses. But you know, obviously Aiden felt more

806
00:43:32,679 --> 00:43:35,639
comfortable outside on the top of the hill, So that

807
00:43:35,679 --> 00:43:38,079
should definitely tell you something. You know, that's not someplace

808
00:43:38,119 --> 00:43:38,800
that I would want to.

809
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd say a few years at least.

810
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 3: Well, you know what it is, Jake. You can take

811
00:43:44,039 --> 00:43:45,960
the girl out of the country, but you can't take

812
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:50,760
the country out of the girl. So that's what's behind that.

813
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,480
That's a good thing too. It is the first time

814
00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:56,679
we spoke, you told me that you were glad that

815
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,960
you had that encounter. Yeah, does that mean that you

816
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,280
want to have another incore or you good?

817
00:44:01,519 --> 00:44:04,519
Speaker 1: Definitely not another encounter, I would say, at least for me,

818
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:06,519
one was definitely enough.

819
00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 4: But you know, it's kind of one of those things

820
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:10,320
we kind of talked about.

821
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,559
Speaker 1: I mean, first off, you know, I feel like we're

822
00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:14,960
definitely handling it pretty well just because we were together.

823
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 4: You know, we know what we saw. We were there together,

824
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,360
and it's just kind of one of those things that

825
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:22,639
you see it and maybe.

826
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,639
Speaker 1: You're kind of I don't want to say, like glad,

827
00:44:25,679 --> 00:44:29,320
I guess yeah, but like we kind of now know

828
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,039
that's out there and maybe can put our minds to

829
00:44:32,639 --> 00:44:35,800
rest a little bit almost like obviously just kind of

830
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,239
rest that like, Okay, we know that there's something out there,

831
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:42,119
we know there's things there. Kind of we're just kind

832
00:44:42,119 --> 00:44:45,239
of glad that we got to experience it. I guess

833
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:46,159
for me.

834
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,559
Speaker 2: I definitely think I have that kind of morbid curiosity

835
00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:52,400
where it's like I want to fill in those gaps,

836
00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:56,079
but you know, the practical side of me is does

837
00:44:56,159 --> 00:44:58,039
not want to encounter that, but I can't help but

838
00:44:58,119 --> 00:45:01,280
wonder like, oh, maybe if I had another chance, I'd

839
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:05,199
be able to remember those things better. And it's also

840
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:10,960
similar similarly to what Jake said, growing up and having

841
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:15,440
a lot of interest in the supernatural and things that

842
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,320
a lot of people didn't believe in, Like, it's definitely

843
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,239
nice to have that kind of thing confirmed. It's like

844
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,039
confirming what you believed as a child and what you

845
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,840
believe now, but you don't talk about as much what.

846
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 3: A crazy world we live in.

847
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 4: Huh totally.

848
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. Aiden Now that you two had that encounter,

849
00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:39,960
there's no going back. Does that mean that the forest

850
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:42,440
is a more exciting place for you now now that

851
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,920
you definitively know that dogmen are out there? Or did

852
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:50,559
having that encounter take something away?

853
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 2: I feel like I'll definitely be more cautious because even

854
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:02,000
now I'm still out camping every summer, and they're a

855
00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:05,119
lot of times I go out alone. I go out

856
00:46:05,159 --> 00:46:08,920
and start days alone, just because friends are busy or

857
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,199
because I want to be alone. But I definitely think

858
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,480
I will be bringing my friends with me a lot

859
00:46:14,519 --> 00:46:21,159
more nowadays, those long walks from my cabin down to

860
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,159
the lake, I will not be going alone anymore.

861
00:46:25,159 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 3: We dogmen aren't the only thing out there in the woods,

862
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:31,719
so that can be a good idea anyway. Regardless, before

863
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,800
you two had that encounter, were you the type of

864
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,920
people who would have laughed as someone who told you

865
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,400
about having a dog man encounter? Do you think you

866
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:39,719
would have taken them seriously?

867
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,599
Speaker 1: Hard to say for sure. I think I would have

868
00:46:43,639 --> 00:46:46,400
been kind of the one to kind of believe it,

869
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:47,880
you know. I don't think people would just like make

870
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:52,599
something like that up obviously, Like I probably would have

871
00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:54,440
been kind of like the skeptic, like when Aiden was

872
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:55,960
first running to me, being like, you know, it could

873
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,960
have been something else, maybe you just saw something else.

874
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,760
But you know now that when you're in the situation,

875
00:47:01,519 --> 00:47:03,440
you know what you see and you kind of know

876
00:47:03,639 --> 00:47:07,280
what's going on. So now you know, if somebody does that,

877
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,360
I'll definitely be more likely or will.

878
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 2: Believe though, Yeah, I think also definitely when I thought

879
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,440
they were making it up, I definitely would have been like,

880
00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:18,639
I definitely think that's what you think you saw, you know,

881
00:47:18,679 --> 00:47:24,079
like that kind of person, but definitely giving them the

882
00:47:24,119 --> 00:47:27,719
credit because they saw it. We didn't, but now we

883
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,719
saw it, and so we definitely have a lot more

884
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,440
grace to give other people because we are in their

885
00:47:34,519 --> 00:47:35,320
similar shoes.

886
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 3: That doesn't come as a surprise. Both of you sound

887
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,719
open minded, and yeah, I didn't think for a second

888
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,599
you would have laughed at anyone. So that's what I

889
00:47:44,599 --> 00:47:48,400
would expect. Do you two listen to dog meat encounters

890
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,039
on podcasts now on a regular basis or do you

891
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:54,679
try not to think about them any more than necessary?

892
00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: I went to the day after, maybe two days after.

893
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,360
We definitely listened to a good few, especially driving back.

894
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,000
We were trying to, you know, figure out, you know,

895
00:48:02,559 --> 00:48:05,840
is this exactly what we saw? So we did listen to,

896
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,000
like I seventy four five six of them in total.

897
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,000
I since then kind of haven't really been listening because

898
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,280
you know, I'm trying to kind of been focusing on

899
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,199
our own experience and stuff like that, and you know,

900
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,239
it's something that you know you've experienced, it wants to

901
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,079
you maybe don't want to go through all the people's experiences,

902
00:48:24,119 --> 00:48:26,719
you know, like hearing about it all the time.

903
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree a similar.

904
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 3: I'm sure you too have both taken your share of

905
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,960
biology classes and other classes like that. You were standing

906
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:41,039
ten to fifteen feet from this dog man. In your opinions,

907
00:48:41,519 --> 00:48:43,159
what do you think a dog miion is? What do

908
00:48:43,199 --> 00:48:45,480
you think the dogman that you saw was?

909
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't be able to tell you, Like,

910
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,239
I don't know how it got there, you know how

911
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,360
It's like, you know, I don't know if there's I mean,

912
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:58,960
you say there's them all over the world, so I

913
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,039
guess there might be kind of hurts, you know, I

914
00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:04,119
don't know how.

915
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 4: It got there.

916
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: I remember you kind of we talked before kind of

917
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,159
about how I thought it might have been a mutated wolf,

918
00:49:11,159 --> 00:49:13,719
but then obviously went through how kind of you know,

919
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,039
it's hard to housing mute to that amount and to

920
00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:19,159
also have them all over the world, So that's a

921
00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:22,800
good point. I don't know. I couldn't even tell you.

922
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,000
I couldn't even fathom it.

923
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: I am like a bit of a nerd when it

924
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:32,880
comes to watching a lot of videos about dinosaurs and

925
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,119
like stuff in the fossil record, and just based off

926
00:49:36,159 --> 00:49:40,719
my I guess elementary knowledge of that kind of stuff, Like,

927
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,159
I can't think of anything that would necessarily back up

928
00:49:44,199 --> 00:49:47,639
a lineage of this animal. So it's like, I don't

929
00:49:47,639 --> 00:49:49,280
know where it could have come from.

930
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,159
Speaker 3: Well, no one knows definitively. Of course you have people

931
00:49:53,199 --> 00:49:55,800
who will cling to you, but there are no experts

932
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,079
on these guys. That's all there is to it. Is

933
00:49:59,079 --> 00:50:01,239
there anything you two would have done differently?

934
00:50:03,039 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: Definitely, if I could go back right now it at

935
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,199
that moment, i'd take out my phone and maybe you

936
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:16,119
start recording. I don't know. But other than that, I

937
00:50:16,159 --> 00:50:17,840
think you know we did a good job. We're still

938
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,039
here today, so I think that's good enough.

939
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 2: I think we definitely handled it as best as we

940
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,400
could have, and I don't I can't think of anything

941
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,599
we could have done that would have changed things.

942
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,559
Speaker 3: It's good to understand that. It's really good to understand that.

943
00:50:32,679 --> 00:50:34,800
I think you should be commended for how well you

944
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,920
handled that ten to fifteen feet away from a dog man,

945
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,880
ahena looking dog man that was standing in the fog

946
00:50:41,559 --> 00:50:45,599
at nighttime up the hill inside in a band in campsite.

947
00:50:45,679 --> 00:50:49,760
Holy cow, you guys held it together. You deserve a

948
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,039
lot of grounds like.

949
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:52,159
Speaker 4: A horror movie.

950
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a perfect plot for one. It really is.

951
00:50:58,039 --> 00:51:00,960
When you two went back to class, then, were you

952
00:51:01,039 --> 00:51:02,559
worn out or invigorated?

953
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,159
Speaker 4: I was definitely worn out.

954
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, just spending already the weekend away

955
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,519
and then having that kind of experience, like you know,

956
00:51:12,039 --> 00:51:14,159
you're kind of thinking. I was definitely thinking about it

957
00:51:14,199 --> 00:51:17,920
straight for like a good two days. And then you know,

958
00:51:18,039 --> 00:51:20,719
also like right after you have that, your heart's kind

959
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,440
of pumping for a bit. You kind of have like that,

960
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:26,280
I guess, like what is like adrenaline and stuff like that.

961
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,559
Like my heart was definitely pumping, Like it was hard

962
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:31,639
to go to bed that night, Like I was still

963
00:51:31,679 --> 00:51:33,679
like laying in bed kind of just like looking up

964
00:51:33,679 --> 00:51:35,199
and my heart was still like I could feel it

965
00:51:35,199 --> 00:51:37,960
pumped a little bit. Yeah, you know, so I think

966
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,880
from that that definitely kind of tired me out.

967
00:51:41,199 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, I definitely felt that worn out too. I think,

968
00:51:45,559 --> 00:51:47,440
you know, we didn't have neither of us had class

969
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,639
on Monday, so we definitely had that day to recover,

970
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,239
and I feel like by the time we were back Tuesday,

971
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,679
we ended up talking about it a little bit and

972
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:59,719
we were definitely felt that worn out miss, but definitely

973
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,280
more of like PEPs in our steps at that point.

974
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh good, You're recovered pretty quickly. Then, of course,

975
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,079
you go from not knowing things like that are out

976
00:52:10,119 --> 00:52:12,920
there to having one ten to fifteen feet from you.

977
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,280
You've got the fear of that. It takes a lot

978
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,400
out of you when you have an experience like that,

979
00:52:17,679 --> 00:52:21,320
It really does. How about the next day, the next

980
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,440
day after you had that encounter, were you walking around

981
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,440
in a fog just trying to process what happened to you?

982
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:30,000
Or were you able to process it pretty well?

983
00:52:30,119 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 4: It was almost weird. I would say. It's kind of

984
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:33,280
like when you're walking around.

985
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: But you're very aware of everything that's kind of going on,

986
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:37,360
you know, you're kind of not.

987
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:41,039
Speaker 4: On that kind of like like auto mo.

988
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: You're kind of more aware, Like you wake up and

989
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,480
you're like, oh, okay, like this happened, I remember now

990
00:52:46,519 --> 00:52:48,800
you're walking through that and that that's kind of when

991
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,400
we started, Like we woke up and kind of still

992
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,559
I would say, were a little days like you know, and

993
00:52:54,599 --> 00:52:56,039
then that's kind of when we're like, okay, we need

994
00:52:56,039 --> 00:52:59,440
to kind of find out what this is and so yeah.

995
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 3: You found out first hand. There's life before it dogged

996
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:08,239
me an encounter, and you've got life after you know that. Now, yeah, definitely.

997
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:10,760
Well it's about time for us to get out of here,

998
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,039
but before we do, do you have any closing comments

999
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:15,719
you want to put out there for us? Aiden please

1000
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,000
go first.

1001
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 2: I would say definitely. If your friends tell you something,

1002
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:27,079
take what they say, you know, to heart, take everything

1003
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,599
that they saw. You know, they're your friends. You should

1004
00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:31,559
believe them, you should back them up, you should hear

1005
00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:33,039
them out sort of thing.

1006
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,119
Speaker 3: That's always good advice. How about you, Jake.

1007
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just say, you know, make sure to be careful.

1008
00:53:42,159 --> 00:53:44,280
You know, next time maybe you're going out, because you know,

1009
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,159
anything could be out there, you know, so be safe,

1010
00:53:49,199 --> 00:53:51,400
be careful. And also I just want to say thank

1011
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,320
you for having a sonic guys, Thank you so much.

1012
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 3: Oh you're welcome, glad to bring you on, give you

1013
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,119
a platform.

1014
00:53:59,400 --> 00:53:59,559
Speaker 4: Well.

1015
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 3: Having said, thanks again so much for your time, Thanks

1016
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,639
so much for coming on to share this experience. I

1017
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:08,039
really do appreciate it. And of course have a great night.