Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show. This is the Cult
Speaker 1: of Conspiracy, and my name's Jonathan.
Speaker 2: I'm Jacob.
Speaker 1: What if everything you thought you knew about reality was
Speaker 1: just the loading screen. For centuries, ancient mystics, philosophers, and
Speaker 1: now modern psychoonaguts have whispered the same secret. This world
Speaker 1: is not all there is. But what if the key
Speaker 1: to the truth isn't in a telescope pointed to the stars,
Speaker 1: but a molecule already within your brain. DMT isn't just
Speaker 1: a powerful psychedelic it's a vibrational tuning fork that opens
Speaker 1: the gates to realms beyond time, beyond language, beyond the
Speaker 1: human experience. In altered states, through deep meditation, trance, and yes,
Speaker 1: even DMT, countless explorers report contact with intelligent entities, impossible architecture,
Speaker 1: and a cosmic familiarity like remembering something that we've always
Speaker 1: known but somehow forgot. And the wildest part the science
Speaker 1: backs it all up. Studies from institutions like Imperial College
Speaker 1: London show that on DMT, our brains light up like constellations,
Speaker 1: accessing regions normally dormant in waking life. It's not a delusion,
Speaker 1: it's perception. Unfiltered. So what does this all mean? Could
Speaker 1: it be the consciousness didn't originate here, that the aliens
Speaker 1: that we seek in flying saucers are actually us, beings
Speaker 1: from another realm who chose to forget, only to remember
Speaker 1: through dreams, DMT and death. Tonight we're diving into the
Speaker 1: most mind bending question of them all. Are we the aliens?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Yeah, baby, it's gonna get wild now. I do want
Speaker 1: to say that this is kind of an extension of
Speaker 1: the show that I did last night on Metamistery. So
Speaker 1: the Metamistery show that I'm referring to and this show
Speaker 1: are coming out the same day, so it actually works
Speaker 1: out perfect. But last night we did a show on DMTX.
Speaker 1: Remember how DMTX they were going to be trying to
Speaker 1: map the DMT realm, right, Yeah, turns out we kind
Speaker 1: of misunderstood what they meant by mapping the DMT realm.
Speaker 1: It wasn't so much about trying to garner information necessarily
Speaker 1: from the other side. Yes, they were trying to do
Speaker 1: that too, but they were trying to see what the
Speaker 1: human brain is, what it's capable of scientifically like physically
Speaker 1: while it is on this intravenous drip of DMT for
Speaker 1: sixty minutes straight and that's all they were doing. So
Speaker 1: I had heard people before saying that it was going
Speaker 1: to be like an all day thing, or they'd be
Speaker 1: on it for weeks. I'm like, that sounds like a
Speaker 1: fucking nightmare waiting to happen. But the way they actually
Speaker 1: did it is is that they lay people down. These
Speaker 1: are all volunteers, by the way. They would lay people
Speaker 1: down on like these hospital bed type things, and they
Speaker 1: would hook him up, you know, like like you're getting
Speaker 1: ready to give blood and uh, and they would you know,
Speaker 1: hook up an intravenous like literal drip of DMT that
Speaker 1: is like dropping. And they they can fluctuate it too,
Speaker 1: so if they if they start to sense that the
Speaker 1: patient is starting to have a bad trip or starting
Speaker 1: to react a little bit negatively to it or whatever,
Speaker 1: they can literally take it in like a like a
Speaker 1: fader on a mixing board and just fade it up
Speaker 1: or fade it down right and it literally correlates in
Speaker 1: real time. And so they found a lot of wild
Speaker 1: interesting stuff, but one of the most fascinating things that
Speaker 1: they were able to find, and by the way, I
Speaker 1: actually thought that they were. They they just started this,
Speaker 1: this this dmt X thing, Like, dude, they've been doing
Speaker 1: this shit since twenty twenty two. Really, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought it was like newer than that.
Speaker 3: But that's not what Danny Guller is doing with the
Speaker 3: with the lasers. They're talking about like mapping the DMT world.
Speaker 3: That situation.
Speaker 1: He's he's trying to work with DMTX, but they're two
Speaker 1: separate things.
Speaker 3: So dmt X, how is that different than regular DMT
Speaker 3: for any of our listeners that may or may not
Speaker 3: be as in the know with these types of things.
Speaker 1: Oh, all dmt X is is just extended state DMT. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's all. So normally DMT lasts like three four five
Speaker 1: minutes something like that, and so this one they're trying
Speaker 1: to figure out, like all right, well, what happens to
Speaker 1: the brain and and you know what happens with the stories.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of people are seeing machine ls
Speaker 1: and who gives a fuck what you're seeing, But this
Speaker 1: is going to be mainly focused on, or what they
Speaker 1: were mainly focused on, is how your brain is reacting.
Speaker 1: And this is going to blow your damn mind.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: So what they've found is and this is all like
Speaker 1: newer kind of studies that came out just within the
Speaker 1: last couple of years. And this is out of the
Speaker 1: Imperial College in London. That's where they're doing the DMTX
Speaker 1: thing at. They're also doing it over in I think Boulder,
Speaker 1: Colorado and another place that I can't remember. But anyway,
Speaker 1: the craziest thing that they found is is that so
Speaker 1: normally your brain you know how they always say that
Speaker 1: you only use like ten percent of your brain or whatever.
Speaker 1: That was always like some kind of quote that people
Speaker 1: would say, you only use ten percent of your brain, right,
Speaker 1: And I don't know the exact like logistics of it
Speaker 1: or whatever, Like I'm not some kind of scientist or
Speaker 1: you know, professional whenever I'm getting into this, But the
Speaker 1: way that I read it and the way that I
Speaker 1: understood it is what they said is is that typically
Speaker 1: the human brain is only operating at like five to
Speaker 1: ten percent like capacity, right, Like we've always had a
Speaker 1: lot more potential, but for some reason we only operate
Speaker 1: with just the tiniest fraction of what our brain is
Speaker 1: capable of actually doing and perceiving and sensing and literally
Speaker 1: everything that your brain does. It's only living up to
Speaker 1: about five ten percent of it, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: What they found was is that the people that were
Speaker 1: on this intravenous drip for sixty minutes, they found that
Speaker 1: your brain is off operating at ninety plus percent. So
Speaker 1: they what they concluded is is that a lot of
Speaker 1: people think that whenever you're you're on a psychedelic well,
Speaker 1: you're just hallucinating, right, which and it seems like that.
Speaker 1: But what they found out is is that actually it
Speaker 1: would be more proper to say that reality is more
Speaker 1: of a hallucination than when you're under the influence of DMT,
Speaker 1: because what it does is that your brain is now
Speaker 1: receiving all the information that it was neglecting. It's not
Speaker 1: filling any any of the blanks or anything like that.
Speaker 1: It's it's not making anything up. It's taking raw data
Speaker 1: and it's not sending it through a filter, which is
Speaker 1: what our brains typically do, right. You know they always
Speaker 1: say that like we can only perceive like not even
Speaker 1: one percent of the light spectrum, and that's why people
Speaker 1: go into the DMT room. It's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm seeing colors that I didn't know it even existed, right,
Speaker 1: so that I just thought it was fascinating that you
Speaker 1: know under DMT, and DMT is a naturally secreting thing
Speaker 1: within our body. It comes out of our pineal gland
Speaker 1: and our lungs, which I didn't know until yesterday. And
Speaker 1: it's in like pretty much every living thing, especially like
Speaker 1: plants and everything, A lot of trees, a lot of
Speaker 1: grass and stuff like that. Almost every living thing has
Speaker 1: some kind of DMT that secretes from them. Not always
Speaker 1: like from a pinial gland per se, but it actually
Speaker 1: here's a fun fact. Mice and mice and rats, they
Speaker 1: they have a pinio gland that does secrete DMT. Did
Speaker 1: you know that.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, rats and mice have very
Speaker 3: similar nerve structures to human beings, so that actually kind
Speaker 3: of makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I just want to throw this out there,
Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to say that I think that
Speaker 1: everybody should try DMT. It's not for everybody. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be totally honest with you. Y'all have heard my story.
Speaker 1: I you know it's not for everybody. But that being said,
Speaker 1: our brains automatically do secrete it whenever we're dreaming, whenever
Speaker 1: we're sleeping, whenever we're in meditation, whenever we're in deep trance,
Speaker 1: whenever people are in like deep like long prayer, Like
Speaker 1: it happens every single time the brain is in a
Speaker 1: trance state. And actually this makes a lot of sense
Speaker 1: because if you think about it, kids, they say, it
Speaker 1: takes it takes kids up until they're like I want
Speaker 1: to say, and I think it varies between boys and
Speaker 1: girls because I think girls like evolve faster than boys,
Speaker 1: because of course they do. They're always smarter than us.
Speaker 1: That's just the truth. Well some of them, not all
Speaker 1: of them now, But if you notice that, if you
Speaker 1: go through and you like look at all the research
Speaker 1: that is done as far as like children's minds and
Speaker 1: everything and how they evolve through the years, and you know,
Speaker 1: uh and stuff like that. What they what they say
Speaker 1: is is that literally, little kids, it takes them forever
Speaker 1: to even develop a beta wave, like a beta consciousness,
Speaker 1: which is like absolute like awareness, right like as an
Speaker 1: adult you have absolute awareness. That's what we're having in
Speaker 1: this conversation. We're not in a trance like we're totally aware.
Speaker 1: Little kids it takes them a long time to develop that,
Speaker 1: so they're always in a light trance, especially, they say
Speaker 1: from from the ages of like newborn all the way
Speaker 1: up until seven, up to seven, they're they're typically always
Speaker 1: in the theta state of like like a theta trance.
Speaker 1: That's why they're able to learn so much and remember
Speaker 1: so much, because they're always in that suggestive state, you know,
Speaker 1: And that's what makes them so much easier to catch
Speaker 1: on to language and shapes and patterns and everything. It's
Speaker 1: so much easier for a kid to learn something than
Speaker 1: a fully grown adult. And that's the reason. And so
Speaker 1: I just think that this is so fascinating because literally,
Speaker 1: and you think about like little kids, right, like little kids,
Speaker 1: they're usually the first one's to say that there's a
Speaker 1: monster under my bed, there's a ghost in my closet, right,
Speaker 1: or something like that. And that's because the veil is
Speaker 1: extremely thin to them, because their brain is not filling
Speaker 1: in the blanks yet. So this is where the DMT realm.
Speaker 1: So literally it's gonna get kind of wild. Literally, what
Speaker 1: little kids may be perceiving could be the same thing
Speaker 1: that people are perceiving within the DMT realm in a sense,
Speaker 1: in a sense, not entirely, not entirely, because it's you're
Speaker 1: not saying like.
Speaker 2: They're seeing what people on DMT are seeing.
Speaker 3: You're saying that the way the brain is functioning for
Speaker 3: a three year old that is in a new place
Speaker 3: for the first time, new sites, new smells, new experiences,
Speaker 3: all the stuff, the brain is firing off, all the
Speaker 3: synapses are firing off similarly to a human or an
Speaker 3: adult excuse me, that is experimenting with DMTX.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, essentially. So, yeah, it's and that's really why
Speaker 1: I wanted to take this show because y'all know, I've
Speaker 1: been doing the whole metamisteries thing for a couple of
Speaker 1: years now, and I'm trying to figure out the truth
Speaker 1: just like everybody else. We're all trying to search for
Speaker 1: our own kind of truth in our own way. Everybody
Speaker 1: has their own way of going about it. And what
Speaker 1: I what I I'm not gonna lie to do. This
Speaker 1: kind of shook me, like it, It kind of shook
Speaker 1: me a little bit because what this does is essentially
Speaker 1: it's what those studies prove, bro is that you're not
Speaker 1: hallucinating like in the way that you thought you were
Speaker 1: hallucinating on DMT. Oh, it's just your mind. It's just
Speaker 1: you know it's just nothingness, right, Well, if it's just
Speaker 1: nothing this, how are we seeing perfect fractals? How are
Speaker 1: we seeing perfect geometry? How are we experiencing perfect love?
Speaker 1: How are we experience like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: it is the all? And so anyway, I just want
Speaker 1: to to say that because if this is, if this
Speaker 1: is really what's going on, then and what you see
Speaker 1: in that trance like state, not even just on DMT,
Speaker 1: but what you experience in a trans state is more
Speaker 1: more so the truth about this reality than what we
Speaker 1: experience in the waking state of reality. And that trips
Speaker 1: me out because think about it, like, all of that
Speaker 1: fractal shit, all of those entities, all that everything that
Speaker 1: you experience in a trans state, whether it's meditation, whatever,
Speaker 1: it's all there. It's just that our conscious mind blurs
Speaker 1: it out bro literally.
Speaker 2: So to potentially steal man for a moment.
Speaker 3: And I'm not trying to take away from what you're
Speaker 3: saying at all, But as far as how are you
Speaker 3: seeing perfect fractals? Right, I don't know if you're experiencing
Speaker 3: perfect love per se. I you know, there's chemical components
Speaker 3: in the brain that tell you what real love is
Speaker 3: versus puppy love versus lust, and like I'm not smart enough,
Speaker 3: I'm talking about conditional love. But that's my point. I
Speaker 3: don't think you need a substance for that. I think
Speaker 3: there's natural Well, DMT is.
Speaker 1: Natural, So I'm not saying that you need that. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying it heightens your awareness to it.
Speaker 3: Okay, So my question would be, and I'm not putting
Speaker 3: DMT in the same conversation as mushrooms or other types
Speaker 3: of psychedelics for instance. That's who even knows on that front, right,
Speaker 3: DMT itself a chemical that our body releases naturally. When
Speaker 3: we go into dreams, we're having a DMT trip essentially. So,
Speaker 3: like I'm specifically talking about DMT, could it be that
Speaker 3: the fractals you're seeing is basically reruns of shapes that
Speaker 3: you've seen in your real life, Like in geometry class,
Speaker 3: you've seen arohomb this, and you saw different types of parallelograms,
Speaker 3: and you saw three D shapes and all these things.
Speaker 3: Could that be your brain kind of replaying old stuff
Speaker 3: that you've seen before. And I'm only asking you. I'm
Speaker 3: not trying to discredit you have experienced pure DMT. I
Speaker 3: have not that's why I'm kind of asking you.
Speaker 1: This, and I'll say this, I've actually experienced it more
Speaker 1: on four Aco DMT than I have actual DMT.
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, like.
Speaker 1: The what I like to call the DMT realm. I
Speaker 1: associate that with the four Aco more than I do DMT,
Speaker 1: because DMT you are literally you're not here anymore, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like, and that's like it feels
Speaker 1: like a dream, like it doesn't feel like it feels real,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't feel like real, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Whereas whereas you know, whenever you're on other psychedelics like
Speaker 1: mushrooms or for acho or something like that, it's a
Speaker 1: it's like a it's like a blueprint overlay on top
Speaker 1: of this reality, like it exists and this reality exists
Speaker 1: at the same time. And so whenever you're seeing perfect
Speaker 1: fractals a layered on top of this reality, very similar
Speaker 1: to your like heroic dosage of mushrooms, whenever you're seeing
Speaker 1: the gears and everything, you were like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: it all works perfectly right, Yeah, Like, yeah, same thing.
Speaker 1: And I I think that that is, in a sense,
Speaker 1: what the truth is. That's closer to the truth than
Speaker 1: what we call reality being the truth. And that's really
Speaker 1: that's the point that I'm trying to make today. And
Speaker 1: so it's gonna be awesome. We've been covering aliens a lot,
Speaker 1: and this is definitely something that I wanted to bring
Speaker 1: to Brohemian Grove June twentieth and twenty. First link is
Speaker 1: down the show notes if you want to buy tickets.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna be up on a panel, we're gonna
Speaker 1: be talking about all about aliens. We're gonna be interviewing people.
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure we're like trying to
Speaker 1: cover it from every angle, because, like you said, there
Speaker 1: are gonna be people out there that, you know, oh,
Speaker 1: aliens are just demons. Sure, Aliens are clearly gods. Aliens
Speaker 1: are clearly angels. Aliens are you know, they they clearly
Speaker 1: love us, They clearly hate us that you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Some people think they don't even give a
Speaker 1: fuck about us. It doesn't matter, right, Like, And so
Speaker 1: this is something that's not really talked about, like what
Speaker 1: if we I don't mean humans, And I'm getting to
Speaker 1: whenever I say we, I don't mean humans, I mean
Speaker 1: the conscious mind being alien. Okay, Okay, Okay, so here
Speaker 1: we go. Before we even get into that, I did
Speaker 1: want to say, if you guys want to come check
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Speaker 1: That is the best way to be able to support
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Speaker 1: that they that is going on over at Patreon is
Speaker 1: that it is completely commercial flus. Yeah, buddy, so you
Speaker 1: hate those commercials we see, you know, all the reviews
Speaker 1: and all the comments on Spotify. Oh my god, the
Speaker 1: frequency of these commercials, I know, I know, trust me,
Speaker 1: it don't. We don't set the frequency. That's just how
Speaker 1: it's laid out really, So if you hate them, literally,
Speaker 1: there's so many different tiers over at Patreon, you can
Speaker 1: get on for five dollars a month. I mean, think
Speaker 1: about you want to talk about frequency. Do you have
Speaker 1: many shows we're putting out a week? Dude, We're putting
Speaker 1: out fourteen episodes a week. That is what is that
Speaker 1: fifty six episodes every four weeks, So you're probably looking
Speaker 1: at closer to about sixty episodes a month, bro, what
Speaker 1: we're putting out and we're saying here, it's just five
Speaker 1: dollars a month, like ESPN doesn't have that, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Oh they might, I don't know, But
Speaker 1: like this is, you know, we put a lot of
Speaker 1: effort into this, and that's we're trying to really build this,
Speaker 1: this conspiracy network. That's what we brought on, you know,
Speaker 1: all of the greats, you know, Josh Monday, Strange Brew,
Speaker 1: Cosmic Peach, Deplorable Janet, the Cajun Night, Madam, Mysteries, and
Speaker 1: the list goes on right like it's you know, it's
Speaker 1: turned into one big family. We're all just after the
Speaker 1: truth through our own lenses and so hopefully and that's why,
Speaker 1: you know, even me and Jacob, we have very different
Speaker 1: lenses in the way that we look at reality, which
Speaker 1: I think is needed. This is not an echo chamber.
Speaker 1: It never will be. So whenever we say open up
Speaker 1: that third eye, that third eye doesn't exist in an
Speaker 1: echo chamber. That exists only in your mind. And you
Speaker 1: need conflicting reaction to be able to really form one
Speaker 1: for yourself. So I have an opinion that or maybe
Speaker 1: today is going to be a little bit of conflicting,
Speaker 1: But I don't know. You might fuck with it. You might.
Speaker 1: I hope you do.
Speaker 3: I mean, so far, I haven't heard anything that I
Speaker 3: necessarily agree or disagree with. Honestly, I am curious how
Speaker 3: we are going to draw the connection between human beings
Speaker 3: having a DMT experience and allegedly extraterrestrial, interdimensional whatever type
Speaker 3: of what we might call alien creatures. I'm curious and
Speaker 3: I'm excited. So let's just see where we end up.
Speaker 1: All right. So first things first, I want to read
Speaker 1: a transcript from an episode of The Joe Rogan Experience,
Speaker 1: episode nine hundred and eleven. It was the episode with
Speaker 1: Alex Jones. I think that it was the first one.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was the second one with Alex Jones. I
Speaker 1: went to go back to try and find a clip
Speaker 1: on YouTube of because I remember listening to this conversation,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't find it. I was like, how is
Speaker 1: it that nobody got a clip of this? This is
Speaker 1: like fucking monumental what he like? It was a like
Speaker 1: a prime Alex Jones rant, And how is it not
Speaker 1: online somewhere? So then I went to go check out Spotify.
Speaker 1: I scrolled all the way down to episode nine and eleven.
Speaker 1: They took it off. Bro, it's not there anymore.
Speaker 3: Off of everything, YouTube, Spotify, Apple, all of it.
Speaker 1: Everything took it off. It is no longer a part
Speaker 1: of the Joe Rogan Experience podcast that episode. Oh and
Speaker 1: I and that. This is honestly like one of the
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I wanted to dive a
Speaker 1: little bit deeper because I remembered what Alex Jones said
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, fuck, all right, let's try
Speaker 1: and dive into what he's talking about here. So this
Speaker 1: is a prime Alex Jones rant. I will try and
Speaker 1: do my very best to uh to you know, try
Speaker 1: and sound like him. Well, I'm not gonna.
Speaker 3: Give say you gonna try to mimic the conspiracy Godfather's voice.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's an iconic voice.
Speaker 1: My throat can't handle that for six paragraphs. Bro, it's
Speaker 1: just not gonna work.
Speaker 2: Fu. Oh you mean it's a rant rant. It's a
Speaker 2: true Alex Jones rant.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's mainly just like this big one
Speaker 1: and these two. So it's not six paragraphs, but it's
Speaker 1: it's decently long, but it's packed with information. It's freaking awesome,
Speaker 1: and it was always like my favorite rant that he's
Speaker 1: ever done, and like I was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: They took it off everywhere, and you know what they say,
Speaker 1: especially in the conspiracy realm, if you're being shadow band,
Speaker 1: usually for a good reason.
Speaker 3: Typically Yeah, I mean no, I think we got kicked
Speaker 3: off of YouTube for good reasons.
Speaker 1: Honestly, yeah, I would say so. So this I believe
Speaker 1: this episode was two thousand and seventeen, twenty eighteen, somewhere
Speaker 1: in there, maybe twenty nineteen, somewhere between seventeen and nineteen.
Speaker 1: So Alex Jones he goes, Joe, there are aliens in
Speaker 1: this room right now, Joe, Rogan goes, for real, Alex goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not of this world, bro, and Rogan goes me
Speaker 1: and Alex Jones goes, you're the alien and Rogan goes,
Speaker 1: oh wow, I did no. By the way, this is
Speaker 1: on Reddit, so it's I'm just reading the transcript, and
Speaker 1: Alex Jones goes. He goes, well, here's what the elite believe,
Speaker 1: and let me be very clear, I only go with
Speaker 1: what I can prove. And Rogan goes, oh, thank you,
Speaker 1: and Alex Jones says, and people can't even handle that
Speaker 1: we're fighting a pedophile conspiracy, but beyond that, it's a
Speaker 1: vampire conspiracy in that they are interdimensionally sucking the essence
Speaker 1: of our youth. I mean, Okay, everything he says is
Speaker 1: fucking like top of the billboard type of shit. It's
Speaker 1: so good. Tell Rogan goes right, And then Alex says,
Speaker 1: and they believe they're possessed by an off world entity,
Speaker 1: and Joe, Joe says they do. Alex says yeah, And
Speaker 1: then Joe, I've been on the I've been on air
Speaker 1: for twenty two years. I don't get into aliens, metaphysical religion,
Speaker 1: any of that. I've studied the elite, and I've also
Speaker 1: communicated with a lot of the top people. And if
Speaker 1: you really want to know, I will actually break it
Speaker 1: down right now, to the best of my knowledge. Right now,
Speaker 1: what's happening on the planet. And Rogan goes, all, right, Well,
Speaker 1: what's happening? Alex says, and this is the rent. The
Speaker 1: elites are all about transcendence and living forever in the
Speaker 1: secrets of the universe. They and they know all of this.
Speaker 1: Some are good, some are bad, some are a mix,
Speaker 1: but the good ones don't ever want to organize. The
Speaker 1: bad want to organize because they lust after power. Powerful
Speaker 1: consciousnesses don't want to dominate other people, they want to
Speaker 1: empower them, so they don't tend to get together until
Speaker 1: things are really late in the game. Then they come together.
Speaker 1: Evil is always defeated because good is so much stronger.
Speaker 1: And we're on this planet and Einstein's physics show that
Speaker 1: Max Plancks's physics show to all of us at least
Speaker 1: twelve dimensions, and that's why the top scientists and billionaires
Speaker 1: are all coming out saying it's a false hologram. It's artificial.
Speaker 1: The computers are scanning it and finding tension points where
Speaker 1: it's artificially projected, and gravity's bleeding into this universe. That's
Speaker 1: why they call that's what they call dark matter. So
Speaker 1: we're like a thought or a dream that's a wisp
Speaker 1: in some computer gram, some computer program, some god's mind. Whatever.
Speaker 1: They're proving it all. It's all coming out now. Now
Speaker 1: there's like this sub transmission zone below the third dimension
Speaker 1: that's just a basic level consciousness to launch into the
Speaker 1: next levels, and our species is already way up in
Speaker 1: the fifth sixth dimension. Consciously are best people, but there's
Speaker 1: a decision to which to which level we want to
Speaker 1: go to. We have free will, so evil's allowed to
Speaker 1: come and contend and not just good. And the elites
Speaker 1: themselves believe they're racing or using some human technology to
Speaker 1: try and take our best minds and build some type
Speaker 1: of breakaway civilization where they're going to merge with machines,
Speaker 1: transcend and break away from the failed species that is manned,
Speaker 1: which is kind of like a false transmission because they're
Speaker 1: thinking what they are is ugly and bad and projecting
Speaker 1: it onto themselves instead of believing, no, it's a human
Speaker 1: test about building us up. And so Google was set
Speaker 1: up eighteen or nineteen years ago. I knew about this
Speaker 1: before it was declassified. I'm just saying I have good
Speaker 1: sources that they want to build a giant artificial system.
Speaker 1: And Google believes that the first artificial intelligence will be
Speaker 1: a supercomputer based on the neuron activities of the hive
Speaker 1: mind of humanity with billions of people wired into it.
Speaker 1: What a fucking rant.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Rogan goes, holy shit, and then Alex continues, he goes
Speaker 1: with the Internet of Things, and so all of our
Speaker 1: thoughts go into it and we're actually building a computer
Speaker 1: that has real neurons in real times that's also psychically
Speaker 1: connected to us, that are organic creatures, so that they
Speaker 1: will have current prediction powers, future prediction, future prediction powers,
Speaker 1: a true crystal ball. But the big secret is once
Speaker 1: you have a crystal ball and know the future, you
Speaker 1: could add stimuli beforehand and make decisions that control the future.
Speaker 1: And so then it's the It's the end of consciousness
Speaker 1: and free will for individuals as we know, and a
Speaker 1: true two point zero and a very in a very
Speaker 1: bad way hive mind consciousness with an AI jacked jacked
Speaker 1: into everyone knowing our hopes and dreams, delivering it to us.
Speaker 1: Not in some PKD wire heead system where we plug
Speaker 1: in and give up our give up on consciousness because
Speaker 1: of unlimited pleasure, but because we were already wired in
Speaker 1: and absorbed before we knew it, by giving over our
Speaker 1: consciousness to the system, by our daily decisions, that it
Speaker 1: was able to manipulate and control into a larger system.
Speaker 3: So he's talking about how the global elites believe this. Yeah, okay, he.
Speaker 1: Goes, there's now a human counter strike taking place to
Speaker 1: shut this off before it gets fully into place and
Speaker 1: to block these systems and to try to have an
Speaker 1: actual debate about where humanity goes and cut off the
Speaker 1: pedophiles and psychic vampires that are in control of this
Speaker 1: AI system before humanity is destroyed.
Speaker 3: One, you're some about an AI system basically taking over
Speaker 3: humanity circa twenty nineteen, before AI was readily available in
Speaker 3: being used by the masses.
Speaker 1: It's not even necessarily an AI system that is taking
Speaker 1: control of humanity. It is humanity giving up its free
Speaker 1: will and giving it into and basically merging with AI
Speaker 1: to be able to like send themselves into these higher planes,
Speaker 1: these higher dimensions in a sense.
Speaker 2: Alex just doesn't miss, dude, fuck AI.
Speaker 3: You know, me and you have very different opinions on that,
Speaker 3: and I'm sure the good cult members I feel like
Speaker 3: more are Honestly, I don't know the way I keep
Speaker 3: seeing people talk about it. It's about split half and half, honestly,
Speaker 3: let us know. Let us know in the comments on
Speaker 3: this episode. What are your personal thoughts on AI?
Speaker 2: Are you? And I don't mean like, is it a
Speaker 2: tool that could be used? Are you pro or anti AI? Well,
Speaker 2: let's just find out, you know.
Speaker 3: But yeah, dude, Alex just doesn't miss.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that, and I've said this. I think
Speaker 1: that it's really just a tool and it was built
Speaker 1: by humans. It's controlled by humans, and it will always
Speaker 1: be controlled by humans. And I know that there's a
Speaker 1: lot of movies out there, like The Terminator, where you're
Speaker 1: going to have this runaway AI, and maybe that's what's
Speaker 1: to come in the future. I'm not saying that it's impossible,
Speaker 1: but right now it's not that and for.
Speaker 3: Now, because there has to be a human that gives
Speaker 3: it an input and there has to be a human
Speaker 3: on the outside of it that takes the output and
Speaker 3: does something with it.
Speaker 2: I'm with you. As of right now, it's safe ish.
Speaker 1: And you listen to whenever we had Danny Goeher on
Speaker 1: the show, he goes, everybody scared of AI? He goes,
Speaker 1: I believe it's the next stage in you know, human
Speaker 1: evolution in a way, and I don't.
Speaker 2: Know that terrifies me. Could that proves Alex's point?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and that's it's dangerous whenever you're it. I
Speaker 1: would never personally hook up my consciousness to an AI
Speaker 1: like that's taken it too far. Yeah, do I like
Speaker 1: to use it? For research? Do I do? I think
Speaker 1: that it makes awesome you know, images and shit like that.
Speaker 1: For sure. I'm using it as basically an advanced version
Speaker 1: of the Internet. That's all I'm using it for. That
Speaker 1: being said, would I ever get some kind of chip
Speaker 1: to be able to like sync myself up with it?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Because now, dude, Because here's the thing. AI is always
Speaker 1: going to be smarter than a human every single time,
Speaker 1: in every single way.
Speaker 2: So I don't know about that. Dude. I've seen a
Speaker 2: lot of AI things be incorrect as hell?
Speaker 1: Actually, how many times? How many times have you been
Speaker 1: in correct as hell? Though probably way more frequent than
Speaker 1: an AI is.
Speaker 3: I mean we're we're kind of comparing apples and oranges
Speaker 3: on that. I'm a human that's fallible, like humans inherently
Speaker 3: are not perfect creatures, but I mean an AI generated image,
Speaker 3: I mean, how many times have we seen that?
Speaker 2: Like, it's clear that this is AI.
Speaker 1: You see them point, yeah, Well, and the thing is,
Speaker 1: and of course, you know, humans are fallible. We're not
Speaker 1: perfect by any measure, but it's those you know, fallible
Speaker 1: imperfect beings are the ones that created AI in the
Speaker 1: first place. You got to think about that too.
Speaker 3: I agree, which is why I think that they when
Speaker 3: they say it's one hundred percent never going to become
Speaker 3: a bad thing, it's like, and you know that because
Speaker 3: you have never messed up an equation in your life.
Speaker 3: Not you, I'm saying the developer of the AI or
Speaker 3: whatever it's.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, it absolutely has potential to go south as fuck.
Speaker 1: There's no doubt, Like you would be stupid to not
Speaker 1: admit that there is a world in which AI is.
Speaker 1: It absolutely becomes our overlord. There is a potential for that.
Speaker 1: But I think that it's up to humanity in order
Speaker 1: to discern, you know, how far is too far? That's
Speaker 1: what I think it's really up to.
Speaker 2: I agree with that.
Speaker 1: I think that right now where it's at at least
Speaker 1: as far as chat, GBT and GROCK and all these
Speaker 1: other like you know, uh, what do they call it,
Speaker 1: like machine learning?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: AI programs, self learning, self learning? Uh yeah. I think
Speaker 1: that they're pretty harmless. I mean, I think that they
Speaker 1: can give you a lot of information. A lot of
Speaker 1: this information it's hard to even find on online, you know.
Speaker 1: So and so anyway, yeah, I that's my opinion on AI.
Speaker 1: I think that it's a lot like fire, How is it?
Speaker 1: How is it directed?
Speaker 3: No, No, I'm with you, But I mean, even again,
Speaker 3: I kind of can see where Alex is going here,
Speaker 3: but saying that we have psychic vampires. That's also talking
Speaker 3: about human consciousness, also talking about AI and he just again,
Speaker 3: it's Alex Jones.
Speaker 2: He is the king of all ranters, honestly. Man.
Speaker 3: When it's like, go let him cook, he'll cook for
Speaker 3: a straight hour and a half uninterrupted, barely taking a
Speaker 3: breadth if they allow it, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 3: and they'll just talk about everything all at once. And yeah,
Speaker 3: in his brain he sees the connections, but like you gotta, yes,
Speaker 3: spell it out for those that are just hearing you
Speaker 3: for the first time.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: He's he's definitely bat in nine hundred at least if
Speaker 1: we're talking baseball terms. But that being said, have you
Speaker 1: seen Alex Jones lately?
Speaker 3: I know he got quote unquote more in shape, and
Speaker 3: ever since his person got murdered, I honestly haven't seen
Speaker 3: him since then. The last video I saw from him
Speaker 3: was when he was speaking about his I don't want
Speaker 3: to say writer or co writer or whatever the case,
Speaker 3: one of his people that was associated with info Wars
Speaker 3: got murdered, and he released a couple of videos talking
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard he quit drinking and saw him down.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, it's strange, dude, like the what he
Speaker 1: used to look like compared to what he now looks like.
Speaker 1: It is. Uh, I was trying to find a picture.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to search through all that bullshit right
Speaker 1: now though, but it some people are questioning, you know,
Speaker 1: was he replaced? And I haven't listened to you know,
Speaker 1: info Wars in quite some time, or maybe I'll have
Speaker 1: to do a little bit of research. But I mean,
Speaker 1: you think about it, like, if he really is the
Speaker 1: evil that the elites say that he is, why wouldn't
Speaker 1: you take him out and replace him?
Speaker 3: I mean I get that, but I also feel like
Speaker 3: replacing somebody is a lot harder than I mean, people
Speaker 3: on the internet they believe everybody's a plant.
Speaker 2: There's a whole article just now. Have you know Tim Dillon.
Speaker 1: Is yeah, gay comedian.
Speaker 3: Fucking hilarious, right, And I watched the Tim dillonon show
Speaker 3: religiously it could drops once a week.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: He was asked to come on seeing it to talk
Speaker 3: about this past election and this new what was it,
Speaker 3: the new system that's with this reporter, this young chick
Speaker 3: who is so so far up liberal mindsets, ass that
Speaker 3: I don't even know if she knows what a fresh
Speaker 3: breath of air smells like anymore, to be honest with you,
Speaker 3: And she even used the word like, so you don't
Speaker 3: feel like you're a part of a new system, a
Speaker 3: new what was the word she used, not industry, basically
Speaker 3: meaning that he's like a part of the new way
Speaker 3: of things going on. He's like, I don't really think
Speaker 3: so she dropped like the Joe Rogan's name, and how
Speaker 3: like there's no comedians these there's just this group of
Speaker 3: podcasters that's like the reason why the election went this way.
Speaker 3: And he's like, I'm sorry, what, No, there's tons of
Speaker 3: comedians that are liberal and left of center that are
Speaker 3: killing it right now. So for you to even form
Speaker 3: this question in this way, it's just wild. And my
Speaker 3: point is it's the way that these people are phrasing
Speaker 3: the questions, and I feel like they've just kind of
Speaker 3: lost the message, They've lost the intent, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. I feel like Alex Jones probably has not
Speaker 3: been replaced personal thought I could be wrong. I could
Speaker 3: be so wrong, and he's absolutely a clone AI biomechanical
Speaker 3: bot right now, like it's possible, yes, a clone, even fine,
Speaker 3: But I also feel like these people are looking to
Speaker 3: call everybody a plant.
Speaker 2: And I'm not just saying just liberals or just conservatives.
Speaker 1: Dude, Alex Jones gonna be a top at the top
Speaker 1: of that list every single time every far is he
Speaker 1: a fed? Is he a plant? Has he been replaced?
Speaker 1: I mean he is, dude, He's the conspiracy god. Bro,
Speaker 1: that's really like, that is Alex Jones. He's been doing
Speaker 1: this shit for fucking thirty years.
Speaker 2: The same shit with Rogan.
Speaker 3: He's clearly a plant, Tim Dillon, name your comedian, name anybody.
Speaker 3: They're all clearly plants. Are They're clearly fed, so they're
Speaker 3: clearly bots or what it's like. So if you don't
Speaker 3: like the things they say, then they've clearly been replaced
Speaker 3: because you used to like what they say or something
Speaker 3: like that. It's like, you know, people can change with time.
Speaker 3: Hell you and I. This show is, if nothing else,
Speaker 3: is a long form documentary of how our opinions have
Speaker 3: changed and shaped and grown and formed over time. I mean,
Speaker 3: people are allowed to change platforms, they're allowed to change standpoints,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But I don't believe Alex has done that.
Speaker 3: I think he's been pretty true to form since day one,
Speaker 3: although some of his theories might have gone way more
Speaker 3: in depth than he even ever intended.
Speaker 2: Give you that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, there's gonna be people that are sipping hater
Speaker 3: aid just to sip the hater aid for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't listened to him, so I wouldn't
Speaker 1: even I don't have an idea if you know, if
Speaker 1: I would have to listen to him in order to
Speaker 1: be like that doesn't sound like the original Alex Jones,
Speaker 1: So that's not what the original Alex would say or something,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But yeah, as far as
Speaker 1: like the people that are on TVs like CNN and
Speaker 1: even newspapers and all that shit, they're all very well
Speaker 1: versed in neurolinguistic programming, which is basically suggestive com conversation.
Speaker 1: So it's all about you ever hear it's you know
Speaker 1: the quote like women always love to say it, it's
Speaker 1: not what you said, it's how you said it, right,
Speaker 1: But there's literally a science to it, so you can
Speaker 1: say what literally whatever the fuck you want, as long
Speaker 1: as you say it in a certain demeanor and you
Speaker 1: use certain words that that softer demeanor would be associated with.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 3: Watch the show Impractical Jokers, the old shit right back
Speaker 3: when it was all four of them. They would say
Speaker 3: the most off the wall shit to these random New Yorkers.
Speaker 3: But if you say it in a certain way, in
Speaker 3: a funny way, in a lighthearted way, and a whole.
Speaker 2: Kind of way, you'll get away with it.
Speaker 3: You can't say that in an angry tone and there's yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Right right, And to be honest, that's like the reason why,
Speaker 1: like dark humor is a thing. People love dark humor
Speaker 1: because it's it's the context in what you're saying it.
Speaker 1: You know, if you were to say that in a
Speaker 1: crowd of people, you would scorn, But you say it
Speaker 1: with your best friend and it's hilarious, right.
Speaker 3: Dude, Gallows Humor is the only way to make it
Speaker 3: through trauma. I'm convinced of it. Some of the funniest
Speaker 3: comedians on Earth have been the most traumatized human beings
Speaker 3: on Earth. There's reasons for this shit, and like, there's
Speaker 3: a reason why veteran podcasts and veteran YouTubers and all
Speaker 3: of this. They have a different type of humor about
Speaker 3: them because normal people will not find this funny. Like
Speaker 3: it's you know what I mean, it's not funny to
Speaker 3: laugh at some of this disgusting shit. But at the
Speaker 3: same time, that's the only way to deal with it.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, I'm with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we're psychological beast and you know, some
Speaker 1: of us, a lot of us got a couple of
Speaker 1: screws loose, and sometimes whenever the screws are loose, you know,
Speaker 1: the machine likes to shake a little bit. It's not
Speaker 1: exactly as sturdy as the old girl once was.
Speaker 3: No, dude, talk to anybody who's ever worked like night
Speaker 3: shifts in the er for six months and see the
Speaker 3: type of shit that actually gets them to like actual
Speaker 3: guttle laugh, you know what I'm saying. Not just a
Speaker 3: little that's funny, No, the shit that actually makes them
Speaker 3: like double over in laughter is the shit that would
Speaker 3: turn most civilized people's stomachs.
Speaker 2: And it's like, yeah, that's how this works, dude, for sure.
Speaker 1: Like imagine being in the er and there's like somebody
Speaker 1: that I don't know, God sent to the er because
Speaker 1: he got shot in the head and it's exposing like
Speaker 1: a lot of the nerves and shit like that, and
Speaker 1: so they're very aware of what each nerve does, right,
Speaker 1: And dude, I would definitely be going full on Pinocchio
Speaker 1: in there. I'd be like, what does this nerve do?
Speaker 1: What does this nerve do? What does this nerve do?
Speaker 1: You know, and just be like, Oh, this one gives
Speaker 1: them a boner or whatever, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like it could be that would be hilarious to do.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. But yeah, to that point, that's it's
Speaker 2: a part of it.
Speaker 3: And see're right, it's the demeanor, and it's also the
Speaker 3: time and place, right, like the same jokes. That's why
Speaker 3: kill Tony or Tony Hinchcliff, the jokes that he was
Speaker 3: saying at that Trump rally at ten thirty am.
Speaker 2: That wouldn't have worked there. That's why he got shit
Speaker 2: all over.
Speaker 3: However he says these jokes at eleven thirty at night
Speaker 3: in a comedy club. They sinned differently. The environment has
Speaker 3: a lot to do with this. It's yeah, a lot
Speaker 3: of things playing for sure.
Speaker 1: I don't even know how we got on that rant.
Speaker 1: But yeah, sorry, so are we the aliens? And whenever
Speaker 1: I say we, this is going to be going through
Speaker 1: the context of possibly human possibly consciousness you decide kind
Speaker 1: of at the end. So there is just dating back
Speaker 1: scientifically and stuff like that. This is where like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: what is his name, Graham Hancock and something, Harrelson, Carlson, Carlson,
Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson, No shit, I can't remember. It starts with
Speaker 1: an R like Randolph or Rudolph or something. Pauls Randall Carlson,
Speaker 1: That's what his name is. So Randall Carlson actually gets
Speaker 1: into the whole theory about the younger driest impact and
Speaker 1: all that other shit, right, Okay, And so this is
Speaker 1: the main thing that he was kind of talking about
Speaker 1: in a sense is the sudden appearance of modern humans.
Speaker 1: So it says Homo sapiens appeared fully formed about three
Speaker 1: hundred thousand years ago, right, so you know, and some
Speaker 1: people will say, well, you know, Homo sapiens evolved. You know,
Speaker 1: other people disagree with that. Other people even disagree with
Speaker 1: the time span here of being three hundred thousand years.
Speaker 1: It's a very you know, a lot of people were
Speaker 1: you know, indifferent on it's a big guestimation, right right,
Speaker 1: So it says there was a massive leap from earlier
Speaker 1: hominids into bigger brains with language and symbolic thought and
Speaker 1: complex emotions. There's no smooth evolutionary path for consciousness or
Speaker 1: self awareness. It just appeared, which is crazy, right, Like
Speaker 1: because we were taught, you know, back in when we
Speaker 1: were in school about the caveman and the evolution and
Speaker 1: you know, the Homo sapiens and the Homo sapien sapien
Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, you see the monkey evolving
Speaker 1: with you know, Darwin's theory and all that other shit.
Speaker 1: Well it wasn't let's just say that that was the case.
Speaker 1: Let's say that there was a caveman. So to say,
Speaker 1: well that caveman didn't always have this consciousness with talking
Speaker 1: about because it's going to get into you know, the
Speaker 1: telomeres and how they were capped and for some reason
Speaker 1: there was like a huge neural spike in human like
Speaker 1: brain activity, like just by them I guess, picking away
Speaker 1: at certain brains and stuff like that and being able
Speaker 1: to see that, you know, the brain was this one way,
Speaker 1: which is basically primal and animalistic and out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: Over the course of a very short amount of time
Speaker 1: in the realm of time, it completely exploded, completely expanded,
Speaker 1: and the human evolved to have conscious thought and awareness,
Speaker 1: and you know, it was looking for symbols and trying
Speaker 1: to understand what the nature of this reality means and
Speaker 1: what is God? And you know, somebody even said like,
Speaker 1: well there has to be a god, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, where did all that thought come from?
Speaker 1: So yeah, it just appeared out of nowhere. From what
Speaker 1: they say, it says, could this mean something or someone intervened?
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to get religious here by any means.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not taking into that place. I'm sticking
Speaker 1: to consciousness and humanity. That's It'll bring up some religious
Speaker 1: you know, quotes and texts and stuff like that, but
Speaker 1: it's just for context really about how people have talked
Speaker 1: about it in the past. So the human body doesn't
Speaker 1: adapt well on earth. So if we're aliens, that would
Speaker 1: make sense that the human body doesn't necessarily adapt well
Speaker 1: on Earth. Yes, you know, there are certain things that
Speaker 1: keep us healthier in here, in everything, but there's a
Speaker 1: lot of things that are like very unnatural and will
Speaker 1: kill the fuck out of us, right.
Speaker 3: I mean, I get that, but humans adapt pretty well
Speaker 3: on Earth. I would think that's why we have different
Speaker 3: races and different heights, and different bone structures and all
Speaker 3: these things.
Speaker 1: I mean, if we adapted that well, there wouldn't be
Speaker 1: such a humongous need for big pharma.
Speaker 2: Right, that's what you're saying. Right.
Speaker 1: So you have sun sensitivity, right, like especially us watts.
Speaker 1: You know, we can't be out to the sun very long,
Speaker 1: So sun sensitivity, it says, most humans burn easy. We're
Speaker 1: not optimized for solar exposure. Then there's chronic back pain.
Speaker 1: A lot of people have back pain. The older I get,
Speaker 1: the worse it gets. And I'm just thirty five, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It says, So the chronic back pain,
Speaker 1: our upright posture seems biomechanically flawed. Really, that's what they suggest.
Speaker 1: Then there is the high infant mortality rate, so human
Speaker 1: childbirth is unusually dangerous compared to other mammals. So most
Speaker 1: other mammals they don't really have this problem that we do.
Speaker 1: And then you have allergies asthma, food intolerant, food intolerances,
Speaker 1: and these could be signs that we may not have
Speaker 1: evolved with the biosphere.
Speaker 2: In the preak In.
Speaker 3: Case by case, I think I don't know how many
Speaker 3: people in third world countries have like diabetes and lactose intolerance.
Speaker 3: I think they just kind of are grateful to get
Speaker 3: food when it comes. But like I'm with you as
Speaker 3: far as like first world goes, Yeah for sure, Yeah
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't so much about third world countries. I mean
Speaker 1: I don't live in one. I've never been to one,
Speaker 1: so I don't know. So it says some some researchers
Speaker 1: suggest that we might have evolved elsewhere or were engineered
Speaker 1: for Earth imperfectly. So then we get to the ancient text.
Speaker 1: You know what, what have they said? Like historically as
Speaker 1: far as certain religious stuff goes, The Samerian tablets talk
Speaker 1: about that humans were created by Anunaki, which were sky
Speaker 1: gods who came from Nibiru to mine gold, which his
Speaker 1: hilarious does. Then you have the Egyptian myths that talk
Speaker 1: about how humans were fashioned by gods from Sirius and Orion,
Speaker 1: you know Osiris and Sirious, right or not? Serious isis rather?
Speaker 1: And then you got the Dogon tribe who were talking
Speaker 1: about serious b which is an invisible companion star long
Speaker 1: before modern telescopes said that their ancestors came from there.
Speaker 1: And you know what's funny about the dogons is that
Speaker 1: that serious, dude, we didn't even discover it until pretty recently.
Speaker 1: Like this, They they knew about Sirius B long before
Speaker 1: we were ever able to like scientifically prove it. Ye,
Speaker 1: So that's kind of crazy. And then of course within
Speaker 1: the Bible it talks about the sons of God came
Speaker 1: into the daughters of men, talking about the Nephilum and
Speaker 1: shit like that, right, or potentially the Nephilum. So across cultures,
Speaker 1: humanity is told that you were made by beings from
Speaker 1: the sky. Look at it one way or another, you know,
Speaker 1: and maybe it's from Heaven, maybe it's from another planet,
Speaker 1: maybe it's from another dimension, but not necessarily always strictly
Speaker 1: from here, Okay, and that and like I said, keep
Speaker 1: an open mind with this. I'm not only talking about humanity.
Speaker 1: I'm also talking about consciousness. You want to call it
Speaker 1: the soul, you want to call it the spirit, whatever
Speaker 1: you call that, I call it consciousness personally. So uh,
Speaker 1: then there's another interesting example here. The Fermi paradox flip
Speaker 1: it says where is everybody becomes, but if we're them?
Speaker 1: So some say that we are the aliens seated here
Speaker 1: through pant spermia, which was DNA sent via asteroid. Some
Speaker 1: people say, well it was, it's because of incarnation or reincarnation.
Speaker 1: It could be souls from other dimensions highly possible, and
Speaker 1: others uh suggest bioengineering, possibly extraterrestrials modifying the early hominids,
Speaker 1: which is what Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock suggest that
Speaker 1: you know, we were this thing and then there cop
Speaker 1: possibly could have been another alien race, or maybe there
Speaker 1: was some kind of asteroid that came here and bang,
Speaker 1: it just opened up our mind. Some people suggest that,
Speaker 1: I don't know how I feel about that, honestly, the
Speaker 1: same in the realm of possibility. I mean, anything's possible,
Speaker 1: I suppose, Yeah, yeah, for sure, I mean it's not impossible.
Speaker 2: No, I just you know, I'm keeping my own bye.
Speaker 1: You have this, Yeah, I know, I know you have,
Speaker 1: you know, your religious lens that you're looking through, but
Speaker 1: you know this is just from a scientific kind of lens.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm not the most scientific person out there,
Speaker 1: but I still find a lot of it interesting, right, So,
Speaker 1: and then you get into the psychic and spiritual evidence.
Speaker 1: So DMT experiencers often meet entities who say, you're not
Speaker 1: from here. I've heard so many stories about that, you're
Speaker 1: not from here, right, Yeah, Then you hear about near
Speaker 1: death experiences. They describe returning home to a star like
Speaker 1: or divine realm. What the fuck is that?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: You know a lot of people whenever they have the
Speaker 1: near death experience, they don't want to come back because
Speaker 1: where they're at in that realm or whatever is like perfect.
Speaker 1: They love it there. They don't want to leave, and
Speaker 1: sometimes they're forced to come back because you know, you
Speaker 1: have to play out the rest of your life as
Speaker 1: as it was planned. And then of course you have
Speaker 1: the star seed beliefs. This would be your electron Nick
Speaker 1: variety that say not just electronic, I love you Nick
Speaker 1: if you're listening to this, that say that many people
Speaker 1: claim that they remember other worlds that they came from.
Speaker 1: Now I am somebody that you know, I've I've had
Speaker 1: a couple of past life regressions that I was experiencing
Speaker 1: other worlds, other realities, other planets and stuff. I don't
Speaker 1: know what to do with that, I mean, am I
Speaker 1: supposed to take that at face value?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with that information. I
Speaker 1: incorporate it, of course, I don't just completely dismiss it,
Speaker 1: but I don't know where to compartment compartmental compartmentalized. Fuck me,
Speaker 1: I eventually got it third time.
Speaker 3: No, but I'm agreeing with you on this, I mean,
Speaker 3: and not trying to look at this to a religious lens, honestly,
Speaker 3: but I mean, we've said how many times that we
Speaker 3: are spirits having a human experience?
Speaker 2: Yeah, right? Is it possible that the.
Speaker 3: D MT real is speaking to that innermost like the body, mind,
Speaker 3: and soul.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's speaking to the soul in.
Speaker 3: Some way, or is it specifically speaking to the mind
Speaker 3: separate from the body and the soul.
Speaker 2: I mean that you know who knows?
Speaker 1: And to be honest, even from your lens, you know,
Speaker 1: you've you've stated before about how you know aliens they
Speaker 1: don't have to be angels, they don't have to be demons,
Speaker 1: you know. Whenever, h what was it you said that
Speaker 1: God said that I got to go feed people, not
Speaker 1: of this? What was it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, when Jesus said he said he has a sheep,
Speaker 3: not of this flock that he needed to tend to.
Speaker 1: Right, So if you look at that through, like, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe he has other souls than he needs to tend to.
Speaker 1: And if every single living thing in the universe is
Speaker 1: a soul or has consciousness, then you're talking about the
Speaker 1: same thing, you know, because we're not humans. This is
Speaker 1: a temporary fucking meat suit. And I'll, you know, I'll
Speaker 1: say this. I mean, I'm pretty happy with mine. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of shaking. I'm digging the vibe here. But
Speaker 1: that being said, it's like, you know, we don't we're
Speaker 1: on renting this fucking thing, and so what we are
Speaker 1: is not just human. So whenever people say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: you know, we don't know where we came from, but
Speaker 1: they say it from like a human thing, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't even I don't give a shit
Speaker 1: where human humans came from. Like I want to know
Speaker 1: where the fucking soul came from. I want to know
Speaker 1: where consciousness came from. That's what I'm you know, because
Speaker 1: imagine you you know, you're hypothetically your next life you
Speaker 1: incarnate as a fucking reptilian. Are you gonna be so
Speaker 1: fascinated where the reptilians came from, or are you still
Speaker 1: going to be trying to figure out, like where did
Speaker 1: I come from? I the Great Eye, right.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, from what we've been told, reptilians only think
Speaker 3: about world domination. I mean, I don't know that to
Speaker 3: be a fact, but apparently that's the going narrative.
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of humans that think that too, though.
Speaker 2: You ain't lying. But the whole thing about like where
Speaker 2: did humans come from? Bro?
Speaker 3: We look at our anatomy, look at our cell structure.
Speaker 3: We are carbon based life forms. The Earth has a
Speaker 3: hell of a lot of carbon on it.
Speaker 2: Where do we come from? Here? We're from here? Now,
Speaker 2: where did our souls come from before they entered this
Speaker 2: carbon based life form?
Speaker 3: That spark of life when the sperm meets the egg
Speaker 3: and all that and conversation?
Speaker 2: But where did this body come from?
Speaker 3: This body, in Jacob's personal opinion, was built for and
Speaker 3: from this place that it's from.
Speaker 2: I don't know this for a fact, but that math
Speaker 2: maths in my head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and that would be the easiest answer.
Speaker 1: We're made up of a lot of the elements that
Speaker 1: the Earth is made up of. But that being said,
Speaker 1: also you know we also have like a lot of
Speaker 1: star dust. So they say, so is that the Earth?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is that from you know, the composites of the Earth
Speaker 1: from asteroid strikes or you know what I mean, it
Speaker 1: could be anything. So whenever people say we're literally made
Speaker 1: of stardust, it's like we fucking Earth is a star
Speaker 1: you know what I'm sact like.
Speaker 3: The Earth is a is all the star dust that
Speaker 3: cobalesced into what we now call the earth. And yeah,
Speaker 3: but it's not an untrue statement, says it's as true
Speaker 3: of a statement as saying that we fuel our cars
Speaker 3: with liquid exploding dinosaurs allegedly. It's like that that's a
Speaker 3: true statement. But it's also like, okay, you're missing a
Speaker 3: lot of steps on that, but like, over archingly that's
Speaker 3: a true statement.
Speaker 1: Well, dinosaurs.
Speaker 2: Still have a disagreement all that one which B.
Speaker 1: And oil has been proven to refill. There ain't been
Speaker 1: no due dinosaurs, No.
Speaker 2: Not new quote unquote. I mean we're not We're not
Speaker 2: going on dinosaur conversation right now.
Speaker 3: My point is it's like overarching theme, we're all made
Speaker 3: of star dust. Yes, so is the Earth and so
Speaker 3: is the trees, and so is everything here. But yeah,
Speaker 3: that's not an untrue statement.
Speaker 1: Right right, So it says even mainstream science is edging in.
Speaker 1: So Francis Crick, who was the code discoverer of DNA,
Speaker 1: listen to this. This guy who's the code discoverer of DNA,
Speaker 1: proposed directed panspermia. He says life on Earth was seated
Speaker 1: by an intelligent beings from elsewhere. Okay, that's the fucking
Speaker 1: DNA guy, or one of them. Anyway, Then you got
Speaker 1: your boy, Carl Sagan. Some people love him, some people
Speaker 1: hate him because he's like an atheist.
Speaker 2: I think, right, I'm not sure to be honest with you,
Speaker 2: or was.
Speaker 1: I think he's dead now, So Carl Sagan said an
Speaker 1: said ancient astronaut theories shouldn't be dismissed outright, they should
Speaker 1: be tested.
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean it's hard.
Speaker 1: It's hard to dismiss a lot of this because there's
Speaker 1: no like almost no way to prove it. That's why
Speaker 1: it's like it's kind of the This whole episode is
Speaker 1: a thought experiment, you know, right, So the theory, here's
Speaker 1: a theory that the aliens are us from the future.
Speaker 1: Let's say we evolved to, you know, our level of
Speaker 1: technology and our level of understanding the universe that somehow
Speaker 1: us you know, a thousand years from now, let's just
Speaker 1: throw out a number. I don't think I don't even
Speaker 1: think it's going to be that long, but uh let's
Speaker 1: just say us a thousand years from now, find a
Speaker 1: way to be able to come back to this reality.
Speaker 1: You know, we'd probably look a little bit different. Maybe
Speaker 1: our diets have changed, maybe are like our our sexual
Speaker 1: inhibitions have changed. Like a lot of things could evolve
Speaker 1: in a sense, right, you know, because you're adapting to
Speaker 1: the reality that you're living in. And if the the
Speaker 1: reality that you're living in is some kind of uh
Speaker 1: VR screen, let's just throw that out there, like some
Speaker 1: some kind of Ready Player of one type shit where
Speaker 1: you're just in a video game all the time and
Speaker 1: you're not really big ship in wally, Right, But if
Speaker 1: your if your consciousness is somehow like in a video
Speaker 1: game in a sense, you're not going to really need
Speaker 1: a whole human body for it. So then your body's
Speaker 1: going to start to you know, deteriorate it and it's
Speaker 1: going to evolve. You know, maybe maybe you're not so
Speaker 1: much worried about, you know, using your mouth because it's
Speaker 1: brain to to technology, you know, interface that it's just
Speaker 1: reading your thoughts, so you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: so whenever people talk about the little grays, they always
Speaker 1: have huge heads and these little frail bodies, they don't
Speaker 1: ever have mouths, and they have the barely even two
Speaker 1: holes in a nose that they breathe from, you know.
Speaker 1: And some people say, well, maybe they're just kind of
Speaker 1: like the robotic versions of us. But then you hear
Speaker 1: other other stories where, you know, allegedly there's that story
Speaker 1: about the gray alien. We watched it, the gray alien
Speaker 1: saying yo, like, I'm you from the future, and the
Speaker 1: reason why we're coming back is because we're dying out
Speaker 1: and we need to take some of your you know,
Speaker 1: your DNA and stuff like that in order to be
Speaker 1: able to replicate so that we don't die off. And
Speaker 1: so that's a possibility. You can't throw none of this out,
Speaker 1: I mean, hypothetically, Hypotheticals are always gonna be hypotheticals, but
Speaker 1: it's fun to play around with. Absolutely so are the
Speaker 1: aliens us from the future. This is also known as
Speaker 1: the extra tempestrial hypothesis. So like temporal time.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, pastoral, dude, not extra terrestrial tenpastrial. Wow.
Speaker 1: So it's basically the extra time hypothesis in a sense.
Speaker 1: So it says this idea flips the alien narrative. They're
Speaker 1: not from distant galaxies. They're temporal taurus humans who evolved
Speaker 1: and traveled time, traveled back, which I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I imagine if we are a
Speaker 1: thousand if we go a thousand years in the future,
Speaker 1: the technology and I'm not talking about the technology that's
Speaker 1: going to be available for everybody, right because we already
Speaker 1: know the elites are at least fucking hundred years as
Speaker 1: far as technology goes, like, they're way ahead of us.
Speaker 1: And so let's just say that even five hundred years
Speaker 1: from now, that you evolve the technology and our understanding
Speaker 1: of everything, five hundred years, I would assume that you
Speaker 1: could probably temper with you know, fuck around with time
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 3: I mean maybe, And I'm not saying that that's an impossibility.
Speaker 3: We are still speaking in the realm of hypotheticals. But
Speaker 3: for a future I want to say sub race of humans,
Speaker 3: but let's call it like an adjacent species an evolutionary
Speaker 3: next species, so to speak, to come back in time
Speaker 3: to see us, take something from us, run experiments, whatever
Speaker 3: the case is, bro, it would have to be like
Speaker 3: hundreds of thousands, if not tens of thousands of years,
Speaker 3: like removed.
Speaker 2: From our point right now.
Speaker 3: Only reason I'm saying that, and it's not for the
Speaker 3: technological conversation, but because of the beings that they are seeing,
Speaker 3: the aliens, the ets, the whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 3: the grays, the reptilians, all that shit with you. We
Speaker 3: and the humans of ancient Rome and the humans of
Speaker 3: ancient Mesopotamia all looked the same.
Speaker 2: And what I mean by look.
Speaker 3: Is like, sure, maybe maybe some height differences, maybe some
Speaker 3: nutritional differences, whatever, but we could see from the statues,
Speaker 3: the pictures, the depictions, the mosaics, everything else, humans have
Speaker 3: looked like humans overall for thousands of years. So for
Speaker 3: one of these beings to be a the adjacent race
Speaker 3: of beings that are at least like a descendant of
Speaker 3: our human form, it would have to be tens of
Speaker 3: thousands at least, if not hundreds of thousands of years
Speaker 3: removed from us now. By that time, to your point,
Speaker 3: maybe they will have discovered some sort of time jump abilities,
Speaker 3: and they'll come back to see what we look like.
Speaker 3: I think it'd be very similar to us jumping back
Speaker 3: to see our quote unquote evolutionary ancestors, like the cavemen, right,
Speaker 3: and so we would have to jump back how far
Speaker 3: to actually see a caveman?
Speaker 2: You know, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Well, and there's a there's a disparage in the the
Speaker 1: the evolution there though, because sure you can say that,
Speaker 1: you know, us in today's age look maybe very similar
Speaker 1: to the Romans right way back in the time of
Speaker 1: the Roman Empire and shit like that, right like, and
Speaker 1: that's that's a pretty valid argument. But whenever it comes
Speaker 1: to the realm of technology, bro, we grew up, we
Speaker 1: grew up in the nineties where we had VCRs like
Speaker 1: those are ancient fucking relics. Now, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Give you give the Romans a VCR. You're they're thinking
Speaker 1: it's alien technology.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, I'm with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: Like I said, technologically, yeah, maybe even the next hundred
Speaker 3: years we developed this technology.
Speaker 2: But way hundred years in the future.
Speaker 3: To jump back to now, to have a conversation with this,
Speaker 3: they would look like humans. How far do you have
Speaker 3: to go to look like a gray you see what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, right, But my.
Speaker 1: Point is is that humans will evolve in advance with technology.
Speaker 2: That quickly, you think, not not hypothetical, of course, like.
Speaker 1: Hypothetically, And I don't know, maybe it's a hundred hundred years,
Speaker 1: probably closer to at least a thousand, I would assume,
Speaker 1: but I don't know, Like I don't know the the
Speaker 1: evolutionary rate of a human, especially whenever it's you know,
Speaker 1: evolving at such a vast rate. We've never seen it before.
Speaker 1: You know, Like there's nothing to compare our technology to
Speaker 1: to two thousand years ago, unless you're talking about pyramids
Speaker 1: and mind calendars and fucking sun dials and shit, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, that's that's totally different. We're
Speaker 1: talking about electronics here, like not even just electronics, but
Speaker 1: our understanding of how to use and manipulate minerals and
Speaker 1: you know, computer chips and quantum computers.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: Like we're on the precipice of there being the world's
Speaker 1: first quantum computer, and it's probably going to be Google
Speaker 1: that's going to change the trajectory of humanity as we
Speaker 1: know it forever once that is incorporated.
Speaker 2: I thought they just built the first one.
Speaker 1: They're building it. It hasn't. It hasn't been put into
Speaker 1: effect yet. Like I'm talking about like, yeah, they have
Speaker 1: quantum computers, but I'm talking about like a quantum supercomputer.
Speaker 2: Is what they call it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's next level shit, agreed.
Speaker 3: But just because that gets turned on doesn't mean that
Speaker 3: humans all of a sudden like.
Speaker 2: Loser appendix the next day.
Speaker 3: Even though evolution, early speaking, we are losing it.
Speaker 2: Every generation is.
Speaker 3: Born with a smaller and smaller and smaller one, and
Speaker 3: one day humans will be born just without it because
Speaker 3: we do not need it as our evolutionary predecessors did need.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Well, I've heard the same argument be made for our
Speaker 3: pinky toe. I've heard the same argument be made, just
Speaker 3: different stuff. Yeah, we're gonna go by the wayside. And
Speaker 3: that is the type of adaptation and evolutionary change that
Speaker 3: I personally subscribe to. But for it to get to
Speaker 3: a tall gray level, bro, I don't know what kind
Speaker 3: of technology has to advance to where humans go through
Speaker 3: a species jump.
Speaker 1: Well, and this is where it's going to get a
Speaker 1: little chaotic because now you get into the realm of
Speaker 1: simulating a lot of things right, Like in the realm
Speaker 1: of quantum quantum computers, you find out ways like people
Speaker 1: are always looking for convenience, like it's it's literally built
Speaker 1: into our DNA. We're always looking for an easier way
Speaker 1: to do something right, yep. And so with that convenience
Speaker 1: comes the new technology that's going to come right. So
Speaker 1: think about it. Think about you have third world countries
Speaker 1: out there, and you're like, you know what, I can
Speaker 1: solve world hunger with this, you know, this super quantum
Speaker 1: computer by just hooking them up to some kind of
Speaker 1: satellite and sending down some kind of information that would
Speaker 1: that would connect to their consciousness in some kind of
Speaker 1: way that would simulate that you just got done eating
Speaker 1: a full meal. Like if think about it, like we
Speaker 1: always talk about it, like literally everything happens within the brain.
Speaker 1: There are placebo effects. You know, you take a sugar
Speaker 1: pill and you're told that it's like a cancer killing agent,
Speaker 1: and your body knows to kill the cancer. Not all
Speaker 1: the time, but there are cases of it. And so
Speaker 1: I think that the once they can find out like
Speaker 1: a real legitimate logical I mean, unethical I'm sure type
Speaker 1: of way to be able to hack the mind and
Speaker 1: hack the brain, we're going to be looked at as
Speaker 1: the cavemen in three hundred years, like we're there already possibly.
Speaker 1: So that's where that's where it gets into like all right, well,
Speaker 1: whenever you're simulating dinner, or you're simulating sex, or you're
Speaker 1: simulating happiness, you know what I mean, Like everything that
Speaker 1: we do, it could could be like changing really soon
Speaker 1: as far as humanity goes. So the idea that the
Speaker 1: aliens could be us from the future, I would actually
Speaker 1: say that that's most likely of what we've read so far,
Speaker 1: not out of this whole show. So the clues that
Speaker 1: support this theory is that the gray aliens look like
Speaker 1: evolved humans. They have in large skulls which have increased
Speaker 1: brain capacity. They have no hair, the evolutionary loss of
Speaker 1: unnecessary traits. They have large eyes, so they have adaptation
Speaker 1: to low light or virtual slash digital environments. They have
Speaker 1: tiny bodies, which it's physicality is less important in a
Speaker 1: tech saturated future obviously, and then they have no mouth
Speaker 1: or reproductive organs, which would mean they would have advanced
Speaker 1: communication or synthetic reproduction.
Speaker 2: That sucks. Is it?
Speaker 1: Is it impossible that we are on the way there.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying human beings. I'm just say yes, impossible.
Speaker 3: Synthetic reproduction. We're not talking about test tube babies. They're
Speaker 3: talking about like reproducing asexually, like basically you create your
Speaker 3: own descendant without the need of a partner. For how
Speaker 3: our DNA works and how our physiology works, you need
Speaker 3: to people to create a new person, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So humans, yeah, I think that's kind of an impossibility.
Speaker 1: All DNA is, though, is code, and once once you
Speaker 1: figure out how to manipulate it, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like turning lead into gold. At that point, it's
Speaker 1: like it's like technological alchemy.
Speaker 2: So we're talking about cloning and like test two babies.
Speaker 1: That's essentially it's kind of open ended whenever it says
Speaker 1: synthetic reproduction, so you can kind of, you know, put
Speaker 1: whatever your flavor is on.
Speaker 2: It, Okay.
Speaker 3: And I mean at that point, if that's how these
Speaker 3: aliens have found a way to continue their species is
Speaker 3: from not even like donating sperm and egg, donating a
Speaker 3: bit of their I don't even know if they have
Speaker 3: blood or their skin or whatever their case, their DNA,
Speaker 3: their code, and you send that to the reproduction group.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even say a lab. I don't know if
Speaker 2: they even call it that.
Speaker 3: But and then this other one doesn't matter about the
Speaker 3: genders because they may not even have genders at that point.
Speaker 3: It's all just splicing code together to create a new being.
Speaker 3: In all of that, it's like, I could see where
Speaker 3: you're going with this.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying. I'm saying that it's not entirely impossible
Speaker 1: to imagine. I'm not saying that it's boum to happen.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's probably high likelihood, but not
Speaker 1: necessarily you know, absolutely going to happen. Yea. And so
Speaker 1: it says these traits mirror where we're headed with AI
Speaker 1: virtual reality, desensitization, desensitization, and dehumanization.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. At that point, we're not even
Speaker 3: talking about human beings.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean essentially, And and that's where the hang
Speaker 1: up is. You know, do you fight for humanity because
Speaker 1: that's that's who you think you are, or are you
Speaker 1: really more focused on your consciousness, your soul, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? So I don't know that's that's where
Speaker 1: the hang up is. And I imagine that that's how
Speaker 1: the elites look at it too. That's probably why the
Speaker 1: the elites at the very top look at humans like
Speaker 1: we're just dirty fucking rags, dirty animals that just need
Speaker 1: to be taken out to the woodshed kind of thing,
Speaker 1: because they're they they look at it as almost like
Speaker 1: bab Lazar said, you know that the file that he
Speaker 1: was looking into. He goes, yeah, they look at us
Speaker 1: like we're literally containers. So you look at it from
Speaker 1: that angle.
Speaker 3: Who's to say that these aliens that the only way
Speaker 3: they can reproduce is from gene splicing technology in a
Speaker 3: lab of their own creation or whatever. Who's to say
Speaker 3: that they even have souls or a conscious mind or
Speaker 3: consciousness as we see? I mean, who's to say that
Speaker 3: they are not just light or not lifeless, but emotionless
Speaker 3: soulss clone type beings with a hive mindset whose only
Speaker 3: goal is the survival of their race, of their species,
Speaker 3: and the advancement of their species.
Speaker 2: What if they don't have consciousness like that or.
Speaker 3: Morality like that, they they've done away with such arcane
Speaker 3: beliefs and things.
Speaker 1: You know, well and that's that's kind of where you
Speaker 1: got to almost insert whatever your belief is, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like, you know, if you look at
Speaker 1: it from the neoplayton, the neo plate, neo platonic, you
Speaker 1: know side, you can say, well, everything is necessarily like
Speaker 1: everything is emanating from God anyway, and so everything that
Speaker 1: light touches is God. And you look at like what
Speaker 1: is it called pan oh shit, pan psychism, which is
Speaker 1: basically like everything that you see is God kind of thing.
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying, Like you can look at
Speaker 1: this from so many different angles to where like if
Speaker 1: everything is just an emanation of God or a creation
Speaker 1: of God, or everything is a thought of God or something,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So that's where you got
Speaker 1: to fill in the blanks. Like usually that's where that's
Speaker 1: that's what happens with sciences is like everything that science
Speaker 1: can't prove, it's like God, you know, fills in the blanks.
Speaker 2: Well, this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: This is the hypothetical conversation here, right, So like it's
Speaker 3: the same way that we think whenever we see like
Speaker 3: a cloned human, does that cloned human even have a soul, right,
Speaker 3: because it wasn't created in the correct way and all
Speaker 3: these things. Yeah, it might be gene splicing and it
Speaker 3: might be a human by definition, but is it actually
Speaker 3: human or the U was the cameras same conversation.
Speaker 2: We do they have a soul?
Speaker 3: Or are they just kind of a bundle of cells
Speaker 3: that has life? Does it have consciousness? As all these things?
Speaker 3: What's to say these grays or whatever, if they are
Speaker 3: a futuristic gene spliced version, that they also wouldn't have
Speaker 3: souls or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's that's always going to be, Like the
Speaker 1: soul debate is always going to be something that's up
Speaker 1: for debate, right, Like, there's a lot of people out
Speaker 1: there that don't even like you. For example, you've kind
Speaker 1: of gone back and forth as far as you believing
Speaker 1: if like dogs have souls and shit like that.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I mean, it's one way that it's six
Speaker 3: and one hand half doesn't in the other it doesn't
Speaker 3: like necessarily matter. It's like, well, if that's the case,
Speaker 3: does all animals have souls?
Speaker 2: I mean, where do we draw that line? Where do
Speaker 2: we draw that distinction? Right?
Speaker 1: And that's where I stop using the term soul or spirit,
Speaker 1: and I just replace it with consciousness because.
Speaker 2: That's not the same thing. Dude.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, you can even argue that.
Speaker 3: That how consciousness is just being aware of oneself. A
Speaker 3: soul is the thing that's like body, mind and soul.
Speaker 3: The mind is that consciousness. I'll give you that soul
Speaker 3: is completely separate from the two. They're connected, but it's
Speaker 3: a different conversation.
Speaker 1: Well, and where I say that, you know you can
Speaker 1: split hairs on that is because it's a philosophical difference
Speaker 1: in the way that you approach the two as far
Speaker 1: as consciousness and the soul. Because has there ever been
Speaker 1: any living thing that didn't have a consciousness.
Speaker 3: You could make a argument for the mentally impaired or
Speaker 3: those are like down syndrome, like heavily heavily down syndrome,
Speaker 3: or autism to that degree, like wearing a helmet, as
Speaker 3: RFK Junior says, helmet wearing headbanging on a window, autism.
Speaker 3: They're alive, they have life. I would say that thing
Speaker 3: that human has a soul, I don't necessarily know if
Speaker 3: it has a consciousness.
Speaker 1: Well, they would have to have a consciousness, I mean
Speaker 1: just because well think about it, like this. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of like even let's just
Speaker 1: go in the middle range of autistic people, right, you know,
Speaker 1: and and I know there's a wide variety. There's a
Speaker 1: large spectrum of it. And some of them are you know,
Speaker 1: there they can live on their own, and some of
Speaker 1: them have to live with their parents for forever, you know.
Speaker 1: But if you look at it, like you know, those
Speaker 1: those even heavily autistic kind of people, they're they're able
Speaker 1: to still do amazing things. They might not be able
Speaker 1: to get along in the world, and maybe maybe they
Speaker 1: can't even walk regularly, or they can't talk regularly, or
Speaker 1: they can't take a test or anything like that, but
Speaker 1: they'll get in front of a fucking piano and play
Speaker 1: it like it's Mozart, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: it just crazy shit. And so to say that somebody
Speaker 1: who has any kind of ability like that doesn't have
Speaker 1: a consciousness, I would wholeheartily disagree.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, it's also the ones that have to be
Speaker 3: in a wheelchair and like drool on themselves, not the
Speaker 3: ones that have like find motor functions of any type
Speaker 3: like well.
Speaker 1: They would still have to have a consciousness too, because
Speaker 1: all you would have to do is just hook up
Speaker 1: some kind of brain nodes and to be able to
Speaker 1: measure their their brain activity. Right. Sure, if it's flat lining,
Speaker 1: you're dead right, they're not flatlining.
Speaker 3: I had a sleep study done on me, and I
Speaker 3: was flat lined when I was asleep, homie, not.
Speaker 1: Flat lined like dead. It's just that there's there wasn't
Speaker 1: a whole lot of activity going on because you were
Speaker 1: in such a deep sleep, that's what you mean.
Speaker 3: I mean basically the only thing that was running was
Speaker 3: the shit that makes my heart beating, my lungs inflate.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right. But my point is is that just because you
Speaker 1: can't see consciousness on the outside doesn't mean that it
Speaker 1: doesn't exist on the inside. And I actually have a
Speaker 1: pretty good example about that. So just yesterday we did
Speaker 1: and I'm and I'm not saying that blind people don't
Speaker 1: have consciousness. I'm just making an example, but we did
Speaker 1: the show on the whole thing, and somebody gave a
Speaker 1: blind man DMT just to see like what would happen,
Speaker 1: you know, like would they be able to see the
Speaker 1: fractals and you know, the sacred geometry and or some
Speaker 1: kind of beings or whatever.
Speaker 3: And how would they be able to describe to you
Speaker 3: what they're seeing. They never seen the color green, how
Speaker 3: will they be able to say, like, oh, dude, looks all.
Speaker 1: Green, like there's nothing, Yeah, there's nothing compared to So
Speaker 1: his homeboy is actually the one that gave it to him,
Speaker 1: and he saw, you know, and I guess the way
Speaker 1: that the blind man was describing it. He goes, he
Speaker 1: only described it in one word. He goes, it's beautiful
Speaker 1: and uh. And then the blind man asked his buddy,
Speaker 1: you know a question. He goes, is this what you
Speaker 1: see in reality every day?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: And so he was seeing something, he was seeing something
Speaker 1: that was so profound, so beautiful, and so the and
Speaker 1: and that's what I'm trying to say. Just because your
Speaker 1: eyes don't work doesn't mean you can't see in your mind.
Speaker 1: And that's where I'm getting to with the whole conscious conversation.
Speaker 1: Just because you can't consciously speak or consciously act upon
Speaker 1: something doesn't mean that there isn't something in turn going on.
Speaker 2: No, No, I'm with you. And that was an example.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that people with severe mental issues don't
Speaker 3: have a consciousness.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that I don't know that.
Speaker 3: For a fact, I've never looked at the readouts of
Speaker 3: you know, the brain diodes hooked up to their skulls
Speaker 3: whenever things are happening. I don't know this, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I would say there's probably. But that's the thing, that
Speaker 3: consciousness is not equal having a soul. I'll bet a
Speaker 3: cloned sheep, right, Dolly the sheep, I bet had a consciousness.
Speaker 3: But we would argue that that may or may not
Speaker 3: have had a soul.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking in the realm of science though, like
Speaker 1: a soul is a religious term, it's not a scientific term.
Speaker 3: But we have talked about how whenever you die, your
Speaker 3: body gets a few ounces lighter because something physically leaves
Speaker 3: your body.
Speaker 1: Could not recall, I'm sorry, could it not be your consciousness?
Speaker 3: Consciousness is again, I thought, that's just your brain, Like
Speaker 3: without a brain, you have no consciousness.
Speaker 1: No, that's there's your conscious mind and then you're your
Speaker 1: consciousness and so people like well associate that you with
Speaker 1: like your consciousness or your energy or whatever you are.
Speaker 1: You could call that a soul, you know, you being
Speaker 1: a religious person, you would call that a soul. You
Speaker 1: might call that a spirit. But people who aren't religious,
Speaker 1: who are just looking at it from maybe a scientific
Speaker 1: or even a spiritual type of way, they would just
Speaker 1: you know, most of most of the people would be
Speaker 1: comfortable with calling it just consciousness. You might find, you know, just.
Speaker 3: The woo Wu community changes out the word soul for consciousness.
Speaker 1: No, No, I mean some, I'm sure, but yeah, some
Speaker 1: people use the soul, some people say spirit. Everybody has
Speaker 1: their own flavor. I mean, I'm just saying that with
Speaker 1: my research, I'm now more in lockstep with the term
Speaker 1: consciousness than I am soul because it's it has a
Speaker 1: religious stigma to it.
Speaker 2: It shouldn't, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think soul inherently has a religious stigma to it,
Speaker 3: but I could.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's where you're drawing that from. Sure it
Speaker 2: came from you know i' I've.
Speaker 3: Never actually looked up the definition of the term consciousness,
Speaker 3: to be honest with you, So now I'm really curious.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, dude, So anyway we're going to get into Okay,
Speaker 1: So as far as.
Speaker 3: Oh, consciousness is the state of being awake and aware
Speaker 3: of one's surroundings, that's consciousness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's all it's your awareness. And so this
Speaker 1: is where I didn't really want to go down to
Speaker 1: this rabbit hole.
Speaker 2: But so that's my point.
Speaker 3: The person that's got like a serious mental like issue
Speaker 3: probably isn't aware of their surroundings like that.
Speaker 1: We don't know what's going on in their mind though.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Like it's hard to know what's
Speaker 1: going on in the mind.
Speaker 2: That's that's fair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, even if you're monitoring it with
Speaker 1: brain scans and nodes and all that shit, you don't know,
Speaker 1: like a thought in words is not going to show
Speaker 1: up on a brain monitoring screen kind of thing.
Speaker 3: But I thought that was the whole thing with like
Speaker 3: spiritual consciousness meant that you're like awaken aware of the
Speaker 3: spiritual world around you.
Speaker 1: So the idea of awareness that you get into certain
Speaker 1: philosophers and you know, enlightened individuals whatever, they'll say that
Speaker 1: all we really are. And even like in the matrix
Speaker 1: like uh whenever, uh oh, what's her name? The uh shit?
Speaker 1: I forget what her name was. But anyway, the older
Speaker 1: black woman that was in the kitchen, she's smoking a oracle.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I couldn't think of that word
Speaker 1: but anyway, the oracle, you know, she's talking to Neo
Speaker 1: and she's like, he was trying to get into like
Speaker 1: why am I here? Why am I the one? You
Speaker 1: know kind of conversation, and she basically said, like, look,
Speaker 1: you're not here to make these decisions. You're here to
Speaker 1: understand why you made them. So essentially, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: not even that you're you, it's that you're aware of
Speaker 1: of who you are, and so all you really are
Speaker 1: is just awareness. A lot like my my experience in
Speaker 1: the void. I had no body, I had no form,
Speaker 1: I had no shape, reality had no shape. It was
Speaker 1: just the void. But I was there. So who am I?
Speaker 1: I was? All you can describe yourself is at that
Speaker 1: point is just pure awareness. So awareness dives into the
Speaker 1: whole consciousness realm, and so it's like you know, whenever
Speaker 1: you go so deep, that's where people get into the
Speaker 1: whole idea of like you know, who are you? And
Speaker 1: the answer is always just I am. Kind of thing
Speaker 1: like you know what people say, you know, God says
Speaker 1: in the Bible and stuff like that. I know, I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to go there. I was just trying to
Speaker 1: describe consciousness and awareness and stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm with you, okay.
Speaker 1: Anyhow, so getting back to clues that support the theory
Speaker 1: of the aliens or us from the future, you have,
Speaker 1: time dilation is scientifically possible, it says, so Einstein's relativity
Speaker 1: shows that time travel into the future is already possible
Speaker 1: with near light speeds, not even light speed, near light
Speaker 1: speed and quantum entanglement wormholes and closed I'm like curves
Speaker 1: suggests backward time travel isn't impossible, it's just not understood yet. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's where we are in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: By the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, you want to hear a fun fact completely
Speaker 1: separate from everything that we're talking about right now. It
Speaker 1: just popular game.
Speaker 2: I'm sure.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm all hopped up on Bethlene Blue right now,
Speaker 1: you dude, and caffeine. But anyway, I found out something
Speaker 1: that will like blew my fucking mind the other day.
Speaker 1: So you know how uh Trump is or he was
Speaker 1: the forty fifth president right and now he's like the
Speaker 1: forty seventh president. Yeah, you want to hear something crazy
Speaker 1: about the year twenty twenty five, which is, you know, yes,
Speaker 1: he got elected in twenty twenty four, but he didn't
Speaker 1: take the House, the White House until he was in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, right January. Something fascinating about the year
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. Did you know that forty five cubed
Speaker 1: equals twenty twenty five?
Speaker 2: I did not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, I don't know if it's cube or squared.
Speaker 1: It's like something like that, man, And I was like,
Speaker 1: holy shit, go figure. Right. So yeah, they say, like
Speaker 1: the year twenty twenty five is like, mathematically, we're never
Speaker 1: going to see like such a perfect like math wise
Speaker 1: year again in that way that it's like perfectly cubed
Speaker 1: and perfectly squared or whatever. You know. So yeah, pretty interesting.
Speaker 3: Now, real quick to jump back to the timeline situation here,
Speaker 3: and yes I'm quoting a movie deal with It was
Speaker 3: a move with Chris Pratt where they jumped to the
Speaker 3: future to fight that alien race. You remember how they
Speaker 3: were even saying that, like jumping forward to the future,
Speaker 3: we have the technology jumping backwards as something that we
Speaker 3: just have not figured out yet.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: I love Chris Pratt. He's one of my.
Speaker 2: Favorites, agreed.
Speaker 1: And he's a fucking solid guy in reality too.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, dude, and I'm not to be that guy.
Speaker 3: But also like he talks about Christianity as much as possible.
Speaker 2: How you proud of the guy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's proud for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think that you know, just because we
Speaker 1: don't know it now doesn't mean that we won't know
Speaker 1: what a thousand years from now, you know, sure, And that's.
Speaker 2: Or hell, even twenty years from now, right.
Speaker 1: And so whenever you're you're looking up in the sky
Speaker 1: and you're seeing you know, UFOs, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: and they have this some of them have like this
Speaker 1: cloaking technology. And what's really weird is that they seem
Speaker 1: to evolve with the time. So back in the sixties
Speaker 1: and seventies, everybody was seeing the flying saucers, right, Well,
Speaker 1: nobody's seeing flying saucers anymore. Now, everybody's seeing you know,
Speaker 1: the tic tacks and you know, weird formations and you know,
Speaker 1: like malleable shapes do they seem to be transforming and
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And so it's almost like
Speaker 1: the aliens are also evolving as time goes on with us,
Speaker 1: just in their own kind of sense.
Speaker 3: So that's interesting too, because there's even not cave etchings.
Speaker 3: But like we've talked about Samerian tablets and hieroglyphics where
Speaker 3: they show saucer like craft in the sky and there's
Speaker 3: one that looks like an Apache attack helicopter, and that
Speaker 3: one's a wild one. I give you that, But they
Speaker 3: do they show different types. Some of them look human
Speaker 3: with like a breathing apparatus type of tubes from the
Speaker 3: mouth thing.
Speaker 2: Some of them do not look anything like humans.
Speaker 3: I think that also kind of goes in line with
Speaker 3: there being more than one species or race or whatever
Speaker 3: you want to call it of these extraterrestrial or whatever
Speaker 3: versions of aliens you.
Speaker 2: Want to say. I think there's more than one of them.
Speaker 1: And to add on top of that, we are also
Speaker 1: not even talking about breakaway civilizations. You know, that's entirely
Speaker 1: possible as well, that maybe that there are these breakaway
Speaker 1: civilizations of like super elites that were able to advance
Speaker 1: in technology and understanding and wisdom and knowledge and all
Speaker 1: that shit a lot faster than the rest of the
Speaker 1: world to where they're almost looking alien to us with
Speaker 1: all of their craft and stuff like that. So it's
Speaker 1: so many possibilities. And this is not to say that like, oh,
Speaker 1: aliens couldn't be out there. It's such a you know,
Speaker 1: vast and you know, ever expanding universe, and just to
Speaker 1: think that we're the only ones. What are we so
Speaker 1: full of ourselves for? It's not taken in that context.
Speaker 1: The people that think that it could be the aliens,
Speaker 1: that the aliens could be just us from the future
Speaker 1: are not looking at the universe in the same way
Speaker 1: that everybody else does. So some people will say, well,
Speaker 1: this is just a realm, right, like, this is just
Speaker 1: a reality, and that the you know, the Jupiter isn't
Speaker 1: a planet, and Saturn isn't a planet. Those are just
Speaker 1: stars in the sky and maybe they're portals or something,
Speaker 1: which rightfully, so everybody should be questioning NASA anyway to
Speaker 1: what extent you know, it's up to you. But that
Speaker 1: being said, so, uh yeah you have. Uh, it's just
Speaker 1: not understood yet. As far as backward time travel, it
Speaker 1: says if they figured out quantum gravity, they may have
Speaker 1: looped back to observe their own origins. Bro, quantum gravity.
Speaker 3: I don't even understand, Like my brain doesn't process that
Speaker 3: might min neither, Like I mean quantum talking about like
Speaker 3: quantum molecules and quantum atoms and these things that, like,
Speaker 3: we know they operate differently when they're being watched, and
Speaker 3: all these things we know there's a lot more to
Speaker 3: them than what we even understand right now.
Speaker 2: You know, what the fuck is quantum gravity?
Speaker 3: You're telling me gravity operates differently if it's being acknowledged.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if that's what they're saying.
Speaker 1: But you know, we we went over the the eleven
Speaker 1: dimensions and all that kind of stuff and about how
Speaker 1: once you get up to a higher dimension you could
Speaker 1: be merging different levels of physics together to create a
Speaker 1: new whole branch of physics and shit. But then you
Speaker 1: look into quantum physics, and you know, at the tiniest
Speaker 1: little quantum level, our physics just don't apply. But there
Speaker 1: is still gravity in the quantum level. It's just not
Speaker 1: like our gravity. So I mean, I mean, honey, I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's like moon gravity or like water
Speaker 1: buoyancy or something like that.
Speaker 3: Maybe there is no gravity and you have to literally
Speaker 3: think it for it to exist.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I know, ant I mean, shit, I know,
Speaker 1: ant Man. Quantum Mania is one of my favorite movies
Speaker 1: of all time, though, Jesus, I love Paul Ruddue. I
Speaker 1: think he's awesome.
Speaker 2: He's great. I saw him in the What was that show?
Speaker 3: Zach Alfanak is between two ferns and it was like
Speaker 3: the He's like, So for any young up and coming actor,
Speaker 3: what can they do to hide their jewishness as much
Speaker 3: as you have?
Speaker 1: It's just like, yes, I didn't know that he was
Speaker 1: a Jew for the longest time.
Speaker 2: How could you not tell?
Speaker 1: What's the giveaway?
Speaker 2: Look at him?
Speaker 1: Look at him.
Speaker 2: He looks like Ari Shaffer's cousin. Bro.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's clearly Jewish.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't go that far. Looks Jewish as fuck.
Speaker 3: I mean, yes, to be fair, he looks like he
Speaker 3: looks like a cricketure of an iconic Jew.
Speaker 2: I will give you that, but like, yeah, dude.
Speaker 1: Anyway, So, as far as the aliens being us from
Speaker 1: the future, it says their behavior matches anthropologists. I don't
Speaker 1: know what they mean by that, so let's into it.
Speaker 1: It says they don't announce themselves, They observe, abduct they
Speaker 1: sample and study. The reports of abductions are often focusing
Speaker 1: on reproductive sampling or emotional responses or DNA extraction. If
Speaker 1: you think about the aliens that are coming right, you know,
Speaker 1: you hear the stories about the probes, or you hear
Speaker 1: the stories about the cattle mutilations, you hear the stories
Speaker 1: about the crop circles and all that kind of shit,
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. Really it's like, well, maybe
Speaker 1: we just try and figure out what they've been doing
Speaker 1: to figure out what they want, and maybe by figuring
Speaker 1: out what they want, we can possibly figure out who
Speaker 1: they are, where they're coming from, or you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 3: So that's at least what their intentions are here, why
Speaker 3: they're here.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, right, So it says like scientists studying
Speaker 1: their own evolutionary past, trying to understand what went wrong
Speaker 1: or how to fix it. So if you have that
Speaker 1: missing link, especially if you're the gray alien, and you're
Speaker 1: like fucking you know, you got all this entry and
Speaker 1: you're just fucking dying away, it's like you're you're windling away.
Speaker 1: Eventually you're just going to turn into a feather and
Speaker 1: just get blown away into the nothingness, you know, and
Speaker 1: you're just gonna become extinct one day. Well, if you're
Speaker 1: trying to prevent that, yeah, maybe you want to come
Speaker 1: back and check on your your ancestors.
Speaker 3: You know, I gotta say, I think I can answer
Speaker 3: their query for them on that one. When did humans
Speaker 3: start to lose their way? And when did the shift happen?
Speaker 3: I would postulate that it was the invention of the
Speaker 3: internet that was pretty much the beginning of the end
Speaker 3: of the human race.
Speaker 1: Doug, I yeah, I think you can make a case
Speaker 1: for that. But also think about this this thing about
Speaker 1: like this though, like as far as going in the
Speaker 1: future or or coming from the future to the distant past,
Speaker 1: doesn't if that is real, Like if you could time
Speaker 1: travel one way or another, that would absolutely prove that
Speaker 1: time is not what we see it as, Like it's
Speaker 1: not this continual you know, literal trans of time. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not today and tomorrow or ten years ago. Like
Speaker 1: if you can jump back or move forward to another
Speaker 1: point in time, that would be essentially just like I mean,
Speaker 1: you're not a you're not on a like on a track,
Speaker 1: so to say, it's not like one track. It's almost
Speaker 1: like you're just at one point and you're shifting. However
Speaker 1: you would time travel, maybe it's through a wormhole or
Speaker 1: whatever the fuck, But like it's saying that, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: that would prove that time is all happening right now.
Speaker 2: That's a scenario. Yeah, I could. I could see where.
Speaker 1: You're going with that for sure, just hypothetically. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is what I love. I love the shows that
Speaker 1: make you think like this though, you know, so then
Speaker 1: you get into the abduction reports. They often say that
Speaker 1: there they told me that they're us as far as
Speaker 1: the aliens. So Whitley Streeber and your boy Travis Walton,
Speaker 1: we did a show on him, Let's go. We know
Speaker 1: some of these names, and countless others say that beings
Speaker 1: communicated telepathically, hinting or outright saying, we are you from
Speaker 1: the future. Some report visions of Earth's destruction, environmental collapse,
Speaker 1: nuclear war, spiritual degradation. Could they be trying to warn
Speaker 1: or even nudge us toward a better path. Then you
Speaker 1: think about it, right, like you think about all of
Speaker 1: the UFO craft and all that stuff over by, you know,
Speaker 1: military zones, right, and it's like, could they already know
Speaker 1: what is going to happen if one of these nukes
Speaker 1: goes off or or something like that, If that's the
Speaker 1: reason why they're observing those those bases, they you know,
Speaker 1: maybe they come from a future in which that went wrong.
Speaker 3: See when I hear that, I think of some completely
Speaker 3: different This is fascinating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you come from more of like it's probably just
Speaker 1: spies kind of shit, right, not necessarily.
Speaker 2: No, no, no. The aliens that are saying like we
Speaker 2: are you from the future.
Speaker 3: When I hear that, my brain goes to a completely
Speaker 3: different place than saying that they are a human descendant.
Speaker 3: I see it as like, look, the aliens have been
Speaker 3: here for a long time, longer than any of us,
Speaker 3: probably longer than we have written history, honestly, right, But
Speaker 3: they also notice that humans study things, right, We have
Speaker 3: scientists that are in the jungles in the Amazon right
Speaker 3: now discovering new species of animals that have been here
Speaker 3: for forever, but we didn't have it categorized and logged
Speaker 3: in all these things. When I hear an alien abduction
Speaker 3: story and they say we're you from the future, I
Speaker 3: take that to mean, listen, your race is an inquisitive race.
Speaker 2: Your species likes.
Speaker 3: To learn more, You like to dig deeper, You like
Speaker 3: to take samples from new creatures and all this stuff.
Speaker 2: Wherever you go, we are doing that. We are just
Speaker 2: better at it than.
Speaker 3: You because we develop the technology to get to your
Speaker 3: planet and back to our planet faster than you have.
Speaker 2: Don't worry. One day you're going to be doing this.
Speaker 2: You're going to find some.
Speaker 3: New planet out there with sort of life on it,
Speaker 3: and you're gonna abduct one of them. You're gonna take
Speaker 3: blood samples, you're gonna take specimen samples and all of
Speaker 3: these things to find out about their reproductive processes and
Speaker 3: how they are and all these things, and you're gonna
Speaker 3: bring it back to your planet, and you're gonna discuss
Speaker 3: it with your smart people and all this.
Speaker 2: That's what I take it to me.
Speaker 3: When they say we're you from the future, it's not
Speaker 3: a direct correlation between oh, we're from Earth just three
Speaker 3: thousand years from now. It's like, no, no, we're from
Speaker 3: a whole different planet. We're just doing what you do
Speaker 3: on your own planet, interplanetarily.
Speaker 1: Like a father conversation to a son. I used to
Speaker 1: be you. I used to go through puberty. I used
Speaker 1: to take around and do all this fucked up shit.
Speaker 1: Right yeah, yeah, all them exam made all the mistakes,
Speaker 1: so you didn't have to kind of thing, right.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, I don't think they're trying to teach us
Speaker 3: something necessarily, although not all there are cases where they
Speaker 3: try to invoke some wisdom into their subject and all
Speaker 3: these things. I'm not taking away from those stories. But
Speaker 3: whenever I hear it's like that and we're like, we're
Speaker 3: you from the future, that's where my brain goes well.
Speaker 1: And this is where you know, you have to include
Speaker 1: your favorite word, which is the context. And so the
Speaker 1: context of a lot of these type of communications, as
Speaker 1: it's said right here, communicated telepathically. Whenever people talk about
Speaker 1: telepathic kind of communication, there is from what I hear anyway,
Speaker 1: there is no misunderstanding the context in the way that
Speaker 1: they mean it. So whenever you're you're hearing a message, yo,
Speaker 1: we're you tele like we're we're you from the future
Speaker 1: or whatever, you would understand what they mean by by
Speaker 1: what they're saying, because it's not words that that are
Speaker 1: being said. It's almost like a like an emotion that
Speaker 1: is being sent, you know what I'm saying, Like you
Speaker 1: get the heaviness of everything that they're saying, and so
Speaker 1: the context is understood, it's built in. I get that
Speaker 1: I do hypothetically, I don't know, I've never I've never
Speaker 1: you know, communicated a telepath, well except for the Loheim
Speaker 1: shout out. But uh so, yeah, it's as could they
Speaker 1: be here to warn us? Okay, it says it explains
Speaker 1: the high interest in our DNA. So if something happened
Speaker 1: to humanity in the future, like genetic sterilization, over reliance
Speaker 1: on cloning, or tech spiritual disconnection, they they may be
Speaker 1: using us as a genetic backup drive, Okay, which you
Speaker 1: could make an argument for makes sense.
Speaker 3: I find that odd that they would do that though,
Speaker 3: I mean, hell, we just figured out how to put
Speaker 3: the entire human genome onto a crystal you know, I
Speaker 3: mean the entire genetic sequence onto a crystal disc to
Speaker 3: be used as some sort of a backup hard drive.
Speaker 3: I find it crazy that the super technologically advanced aliens
Speaker 3: don't have something similar to do that with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe they do. Maybe they just they they don't
Speaker 1: have access to it physically.
Speaker 3: What access to something that they could imprint a hard
Speaker 3: drive like that?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean you think about it. As you're evolving.
Speaker 1: You think that you're doing what's best for your race, right,
Speaker 1: Like if you're evolving as an alien and it's like,
Speaker 1: oh wow, I don't even need this human body anymore.
Speaker 1: I don't need to fuck, I don't need to talk,
Speaker 1: I don't need to eat, I don't need to do
Speaker 1: anything like that. I can just communicate telepathically. And there's
Speaker 1: some kind of way that, you know, allows me to
Speaker 1: continue living without all of the physical necessities. Right, And
Speaker 1: so you're like, wow, this is awesome. You know, food
Speaker 1: is a thing of the past and all that shit, Right,
Speaker 1: So you wouldn't be documenting it necessarily because you're you're
Speaker 1: kind of like taking off your old clothes and putting
Speaker 1: on a brand new set. You're not gonna be so
Speaker 1: much worried about what your old clothes were composed of
Speaker 1: until you get so far and you find out, oh shit,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I should have kept those old clothes.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's kind of the mentality. Okay, this is pretty cool.
Speaker 1: It says, here's a creepy cool possibility. What if the
Speaker 1: grays are what we become without spirit, and the Nordics
Speaker 1: or the light beings are what we become with it.
Speaker 1: So this is this is this is kind of a
Speaker 1: philosophical kind of overview. But if you just put it
Speaker 1: into the context of all, right, well, in what way
Speaker 1: are we evolving as humans. Are we evolving you know,
Speaker 1: for our own like needs and wants and that kind
Speaker 1: of shit, you know, to where we're so concerned with
Speaker 1: the material aspect of this reality, and that's the way
Speaker 1: that we're moving on and we don't really care how
Speaker 1: we get to our advancement. We're just gonna get there
Speaker 1: no matter what, you know, A lot like you know,
Speaker 1: if Hitler was to carry on, he'd be like, yo,
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck, We're gonna keep on doing
Speaker 1: all this human experimentation. I don't give a fuck about
Speaker 1: that person, because the knowledge that we're going to gain
Speaker 1: by experimenting on his body is going to extend over time.
Speaker 1: So who gives a fuck about this individual? Whereas if
Speaker 1: you are taking a more lighthearted, maybe a religious approach,
Speaker 1: a spiritual approach to you know, your advancement in the future,
Speaker 1: you'd be like, all right, well, maybe we shouldn't be
Speaker 1: integrating with machines, Maybe we should be trying to evolve
Speaker 1: the soul rather than evolve technologically. Then then you mus
Speaker 1: that's that might be where you get the Nordics of
Speaker 1: the light beings kind of thing.
Speaker 3: Well, that's kind of what I was saying earlier, right,
Speaker 3: these grays, what's to say that they have bodies and
Speaker 3: minds i e. Consciousness but no souls or spirit? Right,
Speaker 3: and that could be what determines them from some other
Speaker 3: race of for lack of better words, aliens that may
Speaker 3: have achieved some sort of spiritual enlightenment and they have
Speaker 3: the body, mind and soul thing figured the fuck out.
Speaker 2: But these ones don't. Right.
Speaker 3: We've heard that like Alpha Draconians are the ones that
Speaker 3: are like the big baddies and they're the evil ones,
Speaker 3: and so maybe they have removed the soul and they
Speaker 3: are just body and mind. We've heard others say Alfred
Speaker 3: Draconians are not the bad guys at all, They just
Speaker 3: don't give.
Speaker 2: A fuck about us. So therefore they seem crew.
Speaker 3: And I mean, there's again super super in the realm
Speaker 3: of hypothetical conversation here.
Speaker 1: But and this is where you can you could even
Speaker 1: reframe it in this sense, like are you going to
Speaker 1: evolve left brained logically or are you going to evolve
Speaker 1: right brained? You know where your your soul connection to
Speaker 1: God is, and where your imagination is, and where your
Speaker 1: curiosity and your artistic thing and like everything that makes
Speaker 1: you you like that's your your right brain, your logical
Speaker 1: brain is just like you know, the part of you
Speaker 1: that is trying to understand this world and through like
Speaker 1: just a narrow context. Right, So if you're to evolve
Speaker 1: through your left brain, then you would become maybe a
Speaker 1: gray And if you're to evolve from your right brain,
Speaker 1: maybe you you know, evolved to a Nordic or a
Speaker 1: light being, a pleadan of sorts. So that's like maybe
Speaker 1: just a different way of looking at it.
Speaker 3: It's interesting that you bring up the Nordics and then
Speaker 3: you also brought up Hitler just doing his shit, saying like,
Speaker 3: fuck the person, We're still going to do these experiments.
Speaker 3: You know, those Nordics or aka light beings are the
Speaker 3: quote unquote aryan race that they were trying to get to.
Speaker 2: It's it's pretty wild.
Speaker 1: I mean, but was it the Nordics that were guiding
Speaker 1: them on exactly what to do?
Speaker 2: No, no, I don't believe so, but they sure the
Speaker 2: hell thought.
Speaker 1: So, right right. They probably just like maybe they took
Speaker 1: some some psychedelics or you know, went into some deep
Speaker 1: trans it's actually they found I recently heard actually that
Speaker 1: Hitler was super super fascinated with the Tibetans. Because of
Speaker 1: their way to be able to get into a trance
Speaker 1: like state and to be able to you know, ascend
Speaker 1: this this physical material type of realm, And so that
Speaker 1: could have been the way that he was communicating with
Speaker 1: these other entities and shit like that, and almost like
Speaker 1: a fly on the wall in that realm. So maybe
Speaker 1: he was trying to be like, oh, well, this is
Speaker 1: what they are, this is what they're composed of, and
Speaker 1: this is what they look like. So this is what
Speaker 1: we got to do. A complete left brained approach to it, right.
Speaker 3: I would think that they probably weren't fucking around with
Speaker 3: psychedelics too much, and the only reason why is because,
Speaker 3: like per the Nazi regime, they detested recreational drug use.
Speaker 2: In that way.
Speaker 3: But to your point, the Tibetan monks have achieved this
Speaker 3: type of focus, in this type of deep meditation for
Speaker 3: the most part without the use of external substance or
Speaker 3: sources like that. So, like, I think that would have
Speaker 3: been more along the lines of what they were doing.
Speaker 3: Because I just got a hard time believing that a
Speaker 3: bunch of Nazis were fueled with that much hate after
Speaker 3: taking a mushroom trip.
Speaker 2: I just can't see that personally, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, allegedly the berserkers went in to that
Speaker 3: crazy frenzy of killing everybody off of a mushroom trip too,
Speaker 3: and it's like, dude, I I don't see how that happened,
Speaker 3: But all right.
Speaker 1: I don't think that. I mean, I do believe that
Speaker 1: they were messing with some kind of lab element that
Speaker 1: would put them into some kind of trance like state
Speaker 1: because of you. Well, well not only that, but oh,
Speaker 1: I can't remember what his name was.
Speaker 3: The shit that Panzer Chocolate or whatever the fuck it
Speaker 3: was called, man, keep your troops awake for two weeks
Speaker 3: and take over the entirety of France. These dudes were
Speaker 3: seeing shit that wasn't there by the end of it,
Speaker 3: but like they accomplished the task.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there was this this guy that we brought
Speaker 1: over from UH from Operation paper Clip who was involved
Speaker 1: in Nazi Germany and shit like that. And he was
Speaker 1: like like the father of aviation or the father father
Speaker 1: of arrow arrow dynamics or some kind of shit like
Speaker 1: that that we brought over to for for oh, the
Speaker 1: father of modern aerospace. That's what it was. No, not
Speaker 1: one of his last name is like Stronghold. I think
Speaker 1: William Strongholder is something like that. I was doing a
Speaker 1: little bit of research on him earlier, and uh, pretty
Speaker 1: fascinating guy. But he was like one of the heads
Speaker 1: of experimenting. Dude, this is fucked ass up. So they
Speaker 1: did like a like a whole lot of like crazy
Speaker 1: human experimentation, right for sure. And one of the things
Speaker 1: that he was involved in is he was trying to
Speaker 1: see how far can the the human anatomy and the mind,
Speaker 1: how far can he push it whenever it comes to
Speaker 1: being in like uh low Earth orbit essentially, so you know,
Speaker 1: is the brain going to explode if we keep it
Speaker 1: up there? You know what happens with hypoxia and dude,
Speaker 1: like I'm talking about like they would just say, end
Speaker 1: people up in fucking airplanes just to test on them,
Speaker 1: and they would fucking die in an airplane and just
Speaker 1: crumb crashing down. That was part of the experiment, and
Speaker 1: there was like a up like, dude, there was so
Speaker 1: many crazy experiments with that. I did such a deep
Speaker 1: dive in that because I was like this guy, this
Speaker 1: motherfucker we brought over in paper clip, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And he was like held in such high regard.
Speaker 1: He actually has a statue in San Antonio where he died.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Right, see people like that who are held in high regard,
Speaker 1: and you're like, dude, this motherfucker has no morals, you know.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so, uh, then we get into oh, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I got a couple more things here to read. It says,
Speaker 1: this turns contact into a moral mirror. So, you know,
Speaker 1: depending on how you advance, you know, how are you
Speaker 1: spiritually morally whatever you know will determine maybe your path forward.
Speaker 1: As far as technological advancement type stuff, Uh sure, it
Speaker 1: says there are there are a few major theories, scientific, mystical,
Speaker 1: and conspiratorial that try to explain the great leap forward
Speaker 1: in human consciousness roughly forty to seventy thousand years ago.
Speaker 1: And here's a breakdown of the most compelling ones. So
Speaker 1: remember how we were talking about how you know, it
Speaker 1: just seemed to be pretty flatlined as far as human
Speaker 1: evolution in the mind goes, and then bang, somewhere between
Speaker 1: forty forty thousand and seventy thousand years ago there was
Speaker 1: a huge spike in like human consciousness. And so obviously
Speaker 1: the first one you got to bring up your boy
Speaker 1: Terence McKenna, who proposed the stoned ape theory. I don't
Speaker 1: believe it, but it's a fun one. So the premise
Speaker 1: is is that early hominids consumed psychedelic mushrooms, leading to
Speaker 1: rapid neural wiring or rewiring, language formation, abstract thought and creativity,
Speaker 1: spiritual awareness and myth making. And why it fits, they
Speaker 1: suggest is that psilocybin enhances visual acuity and connectivity in
Speaker 1: the brain, such as cave art, shamanic burial sites. Symbolic
Speaker 1: thinking suddenly appeared in archaeological records.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Then there's a quote by McKenna that says, we are
Speaker 1: the results of a symbiosis between primate and mushroom.
Speaker 2: It's a fun way, it's a fun hypothetical.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm i'm personally to belief that Tennis McKenna
Speaker 3: was kind of office rocker a bit, But.
Speaker 1: Like that's just that, Like he was a psychonont, Like
Speaker 1: he's the original psychoont bro.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Like he's tried all of them, you know, He's done
Speaker 1: DMT and mushrooms and LSD and fucking peote and like
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm like all of them.
Speaker 3: So I'm not just saying that, like, sure, sure, doing
Speaker 3: all the things to achieve whatever goal you're trying to achieve.
Speaker 2: Fine, you're a grown adult. Do what you're gonna do.
Speaker 3: But I'm saying, as far as some of the theories
Speaker 3: that he threw out, it's yeah, I personally don't really
Speaker 3: subscribe to him, but they are fun to listen to.
Speaker 2: One percent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: subscribe to him, you know so much either, but they
Speaker 1: are fun. The next one you have is the upgrade theory.
Speaker 1: So the premise would be that humanity was genetically modified,
Speaker 1: either naturally or by an external intelligence. The variations of
Speaker 1: this theory would include the Ananochi intervention. So ancient Samerian
Speaker 1: tablets say that gods from the stars, the Innanaki mix
Speaker 1: their DNA with early humans. We all know that one. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's the biblical one, which we kind of talked about earlier.
Speaker 1: The sons of God came into the daughters of men.
Speaker 1: Then you have the scientific anomalies. It says, oh, this
Speaker 1: is fucking wild. This is what Randall Carson proposed it
Speaker 1: or I can't remember if it was Hammer Hancock that
Speaker 1: talks about the human chromosome two appears fused unlike other primates,
Speaker 1: suggesting intentional modification. So let's get into that for a second.
Speaker 1: So the chromosome two fusion mystery, So human chromosome two
Speaker 1: is fused with two ancestral ape chromosomes. This fusion doesn't
Speaker 1: appear in any other primate. The fusion site is clean,
Speaker 1: suggesting intent eligent manipulation rather than natural mutation. There's a geneticist,
Speaker 1: doctor Joseph T. D Liggans that's an unfortunate last name,
Speaker 1: that called it a molecular signature that shouldn't be there naturally.
Speaker 1: So this is what you know. They start talking about
Speaker 1: the end caps of the telomeres, like there's like these
Speaker 1: telomere like the there's these caps at the end that
Speaker 1: are only found in humans. Whenever it comes to you know,
Speaker 1: mammals and primates and shit like that that only humans have,
Speaker 1: which is pretty interesting. It says why it fits is
Speaker 1: the speed of brain development. Language and symbolic systems seem
Speaker 1: unnatural in evolutionary terms, and many cultures speak of sky
Speaker 1: gods giving humans fire knowledge or a soul, so pretty
Speaker 1: interesting as far as the genetic upgrade theory. Nextly, you
Speaker 1: have the Great Catastrophe. Catastrophe and the memory of the stars.
Speaker 1: So it says, around twelve thousand years ago, a cataclysmic event,
Speaker 1: possibly the younger driest impact reset humanity, but survivors retain
Speaker 1: knowledge from an earlier high civilization. This is suggesting Atlantis
Speaker 1: Lemeria type shit. This would explain this sudden appearance of
Speaker 1: advanced megalithic architecture such as go Beckley, Tepe and the Pyramids,
Speaker 1: et cetera. There is the repeating global myths of a
Speaker 1: lost Golden Age and sudden flourishes in agriculture, astronomy, and
Speaker 1: sacred geometry. So yeah, and then it says there's a
Speaker 1: spiritual take. It says human souls are reincarnating from a
Speaker 1: much higher realm, but each rebirth brings back flashes of
Speaker 1: prior cosmic knowledge. So put whatever spin you want on that.
Speaker 2: But how does that tell you with aliens?
Speaker 1: Though it would ties in with are we the alien still?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Yeah, then you have two more. So you have consciousness
Speaker 1: itself wanted to know itself. Well, this is more of
Speaker 1: an esoteric I'm not gonna get into the esoteric. That's
Speaker 1: not what this show is about. You have the resonance shift. Oh,
Speaker 1: this is an interesting one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you have the resonance shift or the harmonic trigger,
Speaker 1: so it says Earth passed through a vibrational threshold with
Speaker 1: the human resonance or the solar slash cosmic influence that
Speaker 1: activated dormant DNA or new brain function. So and this
Speaker 1: is where it gets pretty wild. So we always talk
Speaker 1: about the apocalypse and the end times and shit like that.
Speaker 1: My calendar ran out, old shit, what does it mean?
Speaker 1: It was the fucking end of the world right, Well,
Speaker 1: the ancient tech speak of ages or what they call yugas.
Speaker 1: So I can't remember if the Cali Yuga just passed
Speaker 1: or it's getting ready to come up. I can't remember.
Speaker 1: But Cali Yuga is one of the yugas, which is
Speaker 1: basically just an age. And I believe that.
Speaker 3: When Cali or colleague does his death dance and ends
Speaker 3: the world base here.
Speaker 1: I don't know too much about it, to be honest
Speaker 1: with you. That's a Hindu term, correct, I've heard it
Speaker 1: in passing. Yeah, I think it's a Hindu thing though. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh so it's basically just the end of an age,
Speaker 1: so not necessarily the end of everything, just the end
Speaker 1: of an age in a sense, and so it says, okay,
Speaker 1: so the ancient tech speak of ages or yogas where
Speaker 1: consciousness rises and falls in cycles. So this is where
Speaker 1: you kind of get into the aspect of like astrology
Speaker 1: and astronomy. You know, like are we the age and
Speaker 1: are we in the age of Aquarius? Or are we
Speaker 1: about to be in the age of Aquarius? So depending
Speaker 1: on the stars alignment and and you know, are how
Speaker 1: how we're connected to that alignment? Does that open up
Speaker 1: kind of like some kind of informational portal that allows
Speaker 1: us I don't fucking know, dude, It's it's pretty crazy,
Speaker 1: but you know, just depending on the stars basically, that's
Speaker 1: what they're talking about. I'm not even gonna try and
Speaker 1: sound like I know what the fuck that means. I'm
Speaker 1: still learning a lot of this stuff. It says this
Speaker 1: shift could have been triggered by solar activity, cosmic alignments,
Speaker 1: or even a frequency bomb of sorts. Then they get
Speaker 1: into modern mirror, so people are experiencing a second awakening
Speaker 1: now more synchronicity, psychic experiences, lucid dreaming. This is where
Speaker 1: people say that we could be shifting into the age
Speaker 1: of Aquarius. You know, from my woo woo people out
Speaker 1: there that think that, like, you know, now is the
Speaker 1: time where consciousness is starting to make its comeback in
Speaker 1: a sense, and that actually a lot of people believe
Speaker 1: that that's what's that's why they're trying to block out
Speaker 1: the Sun, not only just to you know, protect the
Speaker 1: planet or whatever the fuck they say they're doing with geoengineering,
Speaker 1: but essentially, like the Sun is almost sending us like
Speaker 1: these light codes that would advance us like spiritually in
Speaker 1: a sense, if we are spiritual beings and that is
Speaker 1: you know, the divine light of this realm, and if
Speaker 1: you're trying to block that out, then it would be
Speaker 1: like preventing certain downloads to the you know, to the
Speaker 1: conscious people or whatever. Okay, yeah, yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 1: it's a theory. It's not the theory. So it says,
Speaker 1: possibly another dimensional gateway moment, just like the one in
Speaker 1: our past. So what happened? All right? So so what
Speaker 1: what happened? It could have been a mushroom trip, a
Speaker 1: divine edit to our genome, a visitation, a vibration, or
Speaker 1: just conscious awakening to itself and form. So now we're
Speaker 1: getting past that and I want to kind of touch
Speaker 1: a little bit. We're not going to dive too deep
Speaker 1: into this because, like I said, I did a whole
Speaker 1: show on it yesterday on Meta as far as the
Speaker 1: DMTX thing goes. But where I'm trying to steer this
Speaker 1: show is more towards like what they're discovering as far
Speaker 1: as DMT. I'm not suggesting that people should be taking DMT.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying this is what they found. So this
Speaker 1: was so during a DMT trip, it says the brain
Speaker 1: undergoes a radical reorganization of activity and connectivity, essentially amplifying
Speaker 1: consciousness while dramatically altering how you process time, space, self
Speaker 1: and reality. So whenever, whenever they're saying that, you know,
Speaker 1: you you're only using five to ten percent of your
Speaker 1: brain and your your conscious mind and shit like that,
Speaker 1: that's what it's referring to, Like your perspective of time, space,
Speaker 1: self and reality, which you think about it, you amplify
Speaker 1: that in some kind of sense, no wonder you're seeing
Speaker 1: fucking sacred geometry and that point.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: So it says, here's a breakdown of what's actually happening
Speaker 1: in the brain. According to current research, including the studies
Speaker 1: from Imperial College London, which was DMTX. So one of
Speaker 1: the things that they discovered is that there were massive
Speaker 1: increases in global brain connectivity. So global just as far
Speaker 1: as you know, your head's a globe.
Speaker 2: So is that what it means?
Speaker 3: Is it your head as a globe or is it
Speaker 3: that we live on a globe and it's the connectivity
Speaker 3: of every living creature on this globe.
Speaker 1: No, no, that's not what they mean. They're talking about
Speaker 1: the dome. Your dome basically.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna I read.
Speaker 2: No, dude, I'm just asking you said it, not me.
Speaker 3: I'm just making sure we have the proper uh, you know,
Speaker 3: the proper context of what we're speaking on.
Speaker 2: I read.
Speaker 1: I read all this shit yesterday. I understand the context
Speaker 1: of it, okay, because they were talking about it's not
Speaker 1: going to say it right here. But and the one
Speaker 1: that I talked about yesterday is it's essentially they say
Speaker 1: that whenever you take d MT, if you picture your
Speaker 1: head as a snow globe and all the snow is
Speaker 1: down on the ground, whenever you take DMT, it's like
Speaker 1: fucking shaking it and letting it snow again.
Speaker 2: I believe that one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: But I'm also the type that believes that that's what
Speaker 3: happens when you do psychedelics at all, You're you're dumping
Speaker 3: chemicals in your brain hitting the blender.
Speaker 1: That's an opinion. That's not what this research should suggest, though.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying there's no benefits to that either.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not saying there's no enlightenment or wisdom that
Speaker 3: could be gleaned from that.
Speaker 1: I'm just you know, yeah, I mean, hey, everybody has
Speaker 1: an opinion, everybody's entitled to one. But this is the
Speaker 1: science behind it. So it says regions that normally don't
Speaker 1: talk much, so your left brain, your right brain, you know, you're, you're,
Speaker 1: every single aspect of your brain, those regions that don't
Speaker 1: normally talk that much suddenly start firing together. The brain
Speaker 1: becomes hypersynchronous. Hypersynchronous meaning that sensory, emotional, memory, and imagination
Speaker 1: centers all light up at once. So that's you're gonna
Speaker 1: be seeing some different shit that way, right. It says
Speaker 1: this creates a blended, immersive sensory experience like seeing thoughts,
Speaker 1: hearing geometry, or feeling time collapse. So oh, this is awesome.
Speaker 1: So there's this thing called the default mode network, often
Speaker 1: called the DMN, which the default mode network dissolves. So
Speaker 1: the DMN is your brain's ego hub, and it's responsible
Speaker 1: for your sense of self, time, narrative, identity, and boundaries.
Speaker 1: So on DMT, this network goes offline, which leads to
Speaker 1: your ego death, your feeling of oneness or unity, and
Speaker 1: timelessness or color colapsing, the collapsing of past and future.
Speaker 1: So whenever people go in, they have like a two
Speaker 1: or three minute fucking DMT trip and they've lived like
Speaker 1: seventeen lives in three minutes. That's what allows this to
Speaker 1: happen because you're literally you're turning the default mode network,
Speaker 1: which is basically your filter of how you understand reality.
Speaker 1: It's taking that bitch offline, so everything, all of your
Speaker 1: preconceived notions of literally everything, it's saying, no, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna look through that filter anymore. It's turning it off,
Speaker 1: which is pretty fucking cool. Then you have your visual
Speaker 1: cortex goes into overdrive. So this is why the blind
Speaker 1: man was able to see whatever. What he was seeing
Speaker 1: in his mind is because your visual cortex goes into overdrive.
Speaker 1: It says even with your eyes closed. DMT activates this
Speaker 1: visual cortex intensely. This creates the geometric patterns, fractals, and
Speaker 1: light beings that are that are so commonly reported. You're
Speaker 1: essentially hallucinating with full resolution. Then, it says the thalamus
Speaker 1: floodgates open themis is like the brain sensory gatekeeper. Normally,
Speaker 1: it filters data so that you're not overwhelmed. And on DMT,
Speaker 1: this filter loosens or breaks down, resulting in an unfiltered
Speaker 1: flood of raw data from your senses and subconscious Then
Speaker 1: you would have increased entropy and complexity. So the brain
Speaker 1: becomes less predictable, more chaotic, and more complex, a state
Speaker 1: neuroscientists call high entropy. I did a little research on
Speaker 1: this whole entropy kind of term because I was unaware.
Speaker 1: I just didn't know what I didn't know as a
Speaker 1: as a wise man once said, and so essentially I
Speaker 1: have it right here. So entropy is one of the
Speaker 1: laws of thermodynamics. Is actually the second law of thermodynamics,
Speaker 1: and it says thermodynamic entropy is a measure of the
Speaker 1: disorder in a closed system. According to the second law,
Speaker 1: when entropy increases internal energy usually rises as well, So
Speaker 1: that's what it's talking about that you know, there's a
Speaker 1: correlating effect of your energy rising when entropy increases, which
Speaker 1: is pretty interesting. So yeah, it says this matches the
Speaker 1: subjective experience of wild novelty, infinite possibility, and boundary dissolution,
Speaker 1: so and dodgen as DMT pathways are activated. There's evidence,
Speaker 1: though it's still debated, that DMT is naturally produced in
Speaker 1: small amounts by the pineal gland, the lungs and other tissues.
Speaker 1: I don't know why it's debated. That doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: I always just assumed that because correct.
Speaker 3: I think is the science on this is still like
Speaker 3: in the works. You know, there's a lot that's understood,
Speaker 3: but there's even more that's still questionable.
Speaker 2: So I think they got to kind of leave it
Speaker 2: open ended.
Speaker 3: Just to get the leeway for the unknown.
Speaker 2: I could be wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, and one of the first people that talked
Speaker 1: about DMT secreting from your pineal gland is this guy
Speaker 1: named Rick Strassman. And Rick Strassman he wrote a book
Speaker 1: called DMT The Spirit Molecule where he basically took uh
Speaker 1: he took like sixty patients and basically did what dmt
Speaker 1: X is doing today, but back on the nineties, and
Speaker 1: this is the some of the conclusions that he was
Speaker 1: coming to is that you know, basically like that DMT
Speaker 1: is from inside of your brain essentially, so it says
Speaker 1: during stress, during stress, near death, or dreaming, DMT may
Speaker 1: naturally spike, suggesting that the DMT state is a built
Speaker 1: in aspect of human consciousness, which I would agree with,
Speaker 1: which is why I find it so fascinating. Like whenever
Speaker 1: I talk about DMT, yeah, you know, you have fun
Speaker 1: in your experiences with DMT, but I'm fascinated by DMT
Speaker 1: because it's already naturally within us. We don't experience the
Speaker 1: reality that we normally experience without DMT, So it's a
Speaker 1: it's literally a part of our reality, you know. So
Speaker 1: it's not just a drug. Like you know, it's like
Speaker 1: the people that talk about how, oh, you know, you
Speaker 1: shouldn't smoke weed, it's so bad, it's the devil's lettuce.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, why do we have cannabinoid receptors in
Speaker 1: our brain? Then yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: literally we evolved with it in a sense, so and
Speaker 1: DMT is the same way so it's not like it's
Speaker 1: not fucking heroine. You know what I'm saying like this
Speaker 1: is you don't party on DMT. Nobody parties on fucking DMT.
Speaker 3: Like whenever you dream, you're having a DMT experience. So
Speaker 3: that in and of itself completely negates the entire conversation
Speaker 3: as far as it being a negative thing. Now that
Speaker 3: being said, same thing with weed. There are people that
Speaker 3: take it too far. Oh, and there are people that
Speaker 3: absolutely get hooked on it. It's a non addictive substance,
Speaker 3: but people.
Speaker 2: Will men tell their habits yea, you know, same with DMT.
Speaker 3: There are those that will take it way too far
Speaker 3: and will fry their brains as a result.
Speaker 2: Like that's for sure.
Speaker 3: But to say that it is some sort of a
Speaker 3: even to say that it's a foreign compound to our body,
Speaker 3: I think is laughable.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. And you know they actually, this is
Speaker 1: what's really the most fascinating about it is that, you know,
Speaker 1: they they talk about the DMT is creating during near
Speaker 1: death experiences and dreams and stuff like that, but really
Speaker 1: where you get the highest dosage of DMT is when
Speaker 1: you die. So literally the moment you die, your body
Speaker 1: shoots out literally all of the remaining DMT that you have,
Speaker 1: and it gives you these visual, like crazy sensations. So
Speaker 1: you know, you you see Grandma on the deathbed and
Speaker 1: she's getting ready to go, and then she's over there
Speaker 1: waving over at her sister. Oh hey, she's waiting for me.
Speaker 1: There's Grandpa, Joe, everybody's everybody's here. Everybody's waiting for me.
Speaker 1: It's not the necessarily you're tripping that I I actually
Speaker 1: I would I would associate it as almost like a
Speaker 1: rainbow bridge to the other side. It's like a it's
Speaker 1: like a highway that allows our consciousness to be able
Speaker 1: to travel in a sense. That's the way I look
Speaker 1: at it. And uh and and I'm going somewhere with
Speaker 1: this whole DMT thing, I just have to I just
Speaker 1: have to lay a little context of why I believe
Speaker 1: DMT plays a huge role in this. So uh so, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the sense of time and space collapses on the intravenous DMT,
Speaker 1: or just on DMT in general. But it says brain
Speaker 1: regions that regulate time perception and spatial awareness become decoupled
Speaker 1: or overloaded. This may explain why users feel that they
Speaker 1: travel through tunnels or stargates or enter other dimensions or
Speaker 1: live lifetimes and seconds. Time completely different in there.
Speaker 3: Right time works differently on that realm, that's for sure,
Speaker 3: one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: It's like you know, when you go and take a
Speaker 1: like you ever took, you ever took, like a fifteen
Speaker 1: to twenty minute nap, but then well you're not somebody
Speaker 1: that dreams. But for people to take like, you know, naps,
Speaker 1: like little short, little baby naps, you know, little kids,
Speaker 1: power nap dude. Oh I dream the most during a
Speaker 1: power nap.
Speaker 2: Shut up, dude.
Speaker 1: Like I'm telling you, if if you ever want me
Speaker 1: to bring information back from the fucking spirit side, just
Speaker 1: let me go to sleep for about twenty minutes and
Speaker 1: I'll give you a message or on some real shit.
Speaker 3: I'm so jealous of y'all. And by y'all, I mean
Speaker 3: you people. By you people, I mean those that can dream.
Speaker 3: I'm fucking jealous of y'all.
Speaker 1: Uh you people. Yeah, yeah, it's uh, it's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: I actually had a really crazy dream. I ended up
Speaker 1: making a TikTok about it. It's actually going kind of
Speaker 1: viral right now, which I wasn't expecting, just in association
Speaker 1: with all of my research here, and then earlier today, Dude,
Speaker 1: I went to go take a little nap and I
Speaker 1: was hoping to maybe get an hour, hour and a
Speaker 1: half out of it. I'm laying there for fucking twenty
Speaker 1: minutes and Boog opens the bedroom door. He's awake. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, there goes that idea. That's why I only
Speaker 1: slept for fifteen or twenty minutes. But I had this
Speaker 1: crazy ass stream. Anyway, if you want to go check
Speaker 1: that out, it's on the Metameisteries TikTok or Meta Mysteries Instagram. Also,
Speaker 1: uh so, yeah, then it gets into the entity encounters.
Speaker 1: A lot of people talk about, you know, seeing the
Speaker 1: entities whenever they're on DMT. It says a hypersocial brain
Speaker 1: on steroids. So some research, some researchers believe the social
Speaker 1: cognition centers like the tempo varietal junction in super or
Speaker 1: superior temporal sulkus super scientific terms. I don't know what
Speaker 1: the fuck they mean, but anyway, these social cognition centers
Speaker 1: are hyper activated, giving rise to the perception of intelligent others.
Speaker 1: These aren't just hallucinations. They're often felt as realer than
Speaker 1: real because of how vividly the brain constructs them, and
Speaker 1: finally there's a breakdown of linear logic. There's an activation
Speaker 1: of symbolic slash intuitive modes. So the left brain, which
Speaker 1: is your analytical brain, quiets down, whether right brain or
Speaker 1: your symbolic or holistic, imaginary kind of brain becomes dominant.
Speaker 1: So this shifts perception into a dream like or mythic
Speaker 1: mode where symbols, archetypes and direct knowing arise. You're not
Speaker 1: bringing your logical brain in there, you know, So it's
Speaker 1: it's it's it's that's where people get the knowing because
Speaker 1: it's you're not fighting internally like, well is this real?
Speaker 1: Is it logical kind of thing? You know? It's like
Speaker 1: you're full on right brain in this, So it says,
Speaker 1: in essence, your brain on DMT becomes a multi dimensional
Speaker 1: receiver transmitter, breaking normal boundaries and flooding consciousness with data, imagery,
Speaker 1: and intuition. The self dissolves, reality morphs, and what's left
Speaker 1: is an experience so vivid and strange that it often
Speaker 1: feels like visiting another world. DMT is often described as
Speaker 1: a kind of rainbow bridge, a vibrational arc that allows
Speaker 1: consciousness to momentarily break through the veil and access realms
Speaker 1: that normally remain hidden behind the filter of our everyday senses.
Speaker 1: And here's how it works and why the metaphor is
Speaker 1: so fitting. As far as the rainbow bridge and DMT
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. So the bridge between worlds. So
Speaker 1: DMT is an endogenous molecule, meaning your body makes it naturally.
Speaker 1: It's found in trace amounts in the human brain, lungs,
Speaker 1: and even in your cerebro spinal fluid. I would have
Speaker 1: thought that, okay, that actually makes sense. That's the cundleining baby.
Speaker 1: But it's as when taken in large amounts via ayahuasca
Speaker 1: or synthetic DMT, it launches consciousness into radically different dimensions,
Speaker 1: often with nsity contacts such as spirit beings, aliens, ancestors,
Speaker 1: light beings, environments made of light, fractal and sacred geometry,
Speaker 1: and a feeling a deep feeling of home or familiarity
Speaker 1: beyond the veil. This mirrors the idea of the Norse Byfrost,
Speaker 1: the rainbow bridge, linking Earth or mid Guard with the
Speaker 1: divine realm as guard. DMT seems to act in a
Speaker 1: similar fashion a vibrational tuning fork that allows consciousness to
Speaker 1: shift planes and see where I'm going here now, Like,
Speaker 1: if this is a way that we're able to literally
Speaker 1: like shift to other realities in a sense, then could
Speaker 1: it be that I'm not even gonna give it all
Speaker 1: way yet, it's gonna be fucking wild. You having a
Speaker 1: good time.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm listening intently. I'm waiting to see and I
Speaker 3: know that it's gonna connect how this connects to people's
Speaker 3: alien experiences.
Speaker 2: So I'm enthralled here.
Speaker 1: Bro Okay, I'm happy I got your attention. So then
Speaker 1: it gets into the dimensional key. So the current scientific
Speaker 1: hypothesis is that DMT increases the signal to noise ratio perception,
Speaker 1: allowing the brain to process raw reality. In this state.
Speaker 1: The default mode network, which we talked about is the
Speaker 1: brain's ego filter is temporary, temporarily suppressed. Brain imaging, especially
Speaker 1: in DMTX, shows hyperconnectivity regions of the brain communicating that
Speaker 1: don't normally interact. This mirrors full brain activation, almost like
Speaker 1: a cosmic download system booting up. So this points to
Speaker 1: DMT not hallucinating, but instead tuning the mind into frequencies
Speaker 1: that we don't normally access. Think of a radio picking
Speaker 1: up more stations you're not imagining the music. It was
Speaker 1: always there, but now you're on the right frequency kind
Speaker 1: of thing. So this is where it's gonna get wild.
Speaker 1: So consciousness as extraterrestrial. DMT experiences often feel more real
Speaker 1: than waking life, with an uncanny sense that you're not
Speaker 1: dreaming or imagining but remembering. That might imply that consciousness
Speaker 1: is not generated by the brain, but merely channeled through it.
Speaker 1: DMT removes the veil, allowing the signal of higher dimensions
Speaker 1: to come through clearly. The beings in quotes encountered by
Speaker 1: encountered maybe versions of ourselves, ancestors, or aspects of the
Speaker 1: collective unconsciousness, or even actual interdimensional life forms. So so yes,
Speaker 1: DMT may be the alchemical bridge that reveals we are
Speaker 1: already multidimensional beings, temporary cloaked in human form. And when
Speaker 1: that bridge opens, even briefly, it's like a homecoming for
Speaker 1: the soul. So is consciousness alien? This is where I
Speaker 1: was trying to go the entire time, because we see
Speaker 1: how consciousness reacts whenever it's it's it's given, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: whenever the governor's off. Essentially, so the governor has completely
Speaker 1: taken off whenever you take in DMT, just look at
Speaker 1: it like that. And that's not even just on the
Speaker 1: human but also it's you know, correlating with the conscious
Speaker 1: mind in a sense. But so consciousness does not appear
Speaker 1: to emerge from matter. So modern neuroscienceists or neuroscience has
Speaker 1: no definitive explanation for how the brain produces consciousness. This
Speaker 1: is the quote unquote hard problem of consciousness. Your brain
Speaker 1: is made of atoms, non conscious particles, yet somehow you feel, see,
Speaker 1: dream and love. There's no agreed upon mechanism of how
Speaker 1: or for how neurons create subjective experiences. This suggests that
Speaker 1: consciousness might not come from the brain, but rather that
Speaker 1: the brain is a receiver or filter for something that
Speaker 1: already exists. That's fucking cool, right, Wow, So the filter
Speaker 1: theory consciousness, now we're going to get into your boy,
Speaker 1: Altus Huxley. So proposed by thinkers like all Huxley and
Speaker 1: expanded by psychedelic research. What they came to is that
Speaker 1: the brain isn't producing consciousness, but it's actually limiting it,
Speaker 1: which kind of the DMT experiences prove. Right, So your
Speaker 1: brain is the limitter, it is the governor. It has
Speaker 1: you know, you can only go a buck, you know,
Speaker 1: one hundred and seven in this bad boy whenever it
Speaker 1: should be going a thousand kind of deal. So consciousness
Speaker 1: is like a vast alien signal field. Your brain is
Speaker 1: a radio tuned to the Earth human channel. That's a
Speaker 1: fun way to put it. Ancient belief systems said the
Speaker 1: same thing. So the Egyptians believe that the soul descended
Speaker 1: from the stars or the duot. The Gnostics claim that
Speaker 1: human spirit was trapped in a material body by Arkhan's
Speaker 1: non physical forces. The Hindus teach that the Atman or
Speaker 1: the soul is not from Earth but from the Brahmin
Speaker 1: or the universal source consciousness. And then you have aboriginal
Speaker 1: They say that dream time. Aboriginal dream time says consciousness
Speaker 1: preceded physical existence. They didn't believe consciousness evolved. They believe
Speaker 1: that it entered this world. So when I say that
Speaker 1: we are the aliens, I don't mean we the humans.
Speaker 1: I mean we the consciousness that entered the humans. And
Speaker 1: now we're we're the aliens, not the humans. Are not
Speaker 1: the aliens, but the fucking us. The real you is
Speaker 1: the alien. And that's where I'm trying to get to
Speaker 1: and this is just a theory. I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: this is actually what I believe. I'm just saying it's
Speaker 1: a possibility, a fascinating possibility of that. But where was I? So?
Speaker 1: Simulation theory also supports this idea. So if reality is
Speaker 1: a simulation, as Elon Musk and some physicists suggest, then
Speaker 1: consciousness is the player behind the avatar, the true self,
Speaker 1: the observer is outside the physical program, and this makes
Speaker 1: consciousness more like an alien operating system temporarily jacked into
Speaker 1: the Earth matrix. So is consciousness alien? Here are your
Speaker 1: best answers depending on your lens. So, if you're looking
Speaker 1: through a scientific lens, is consciousness alien? We don't know.
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem to be of matter, and it may
Speaker 1: predate the universe. Consciousness predating the universe. Your religion would
Speaker 1: probably agree with that as well. You know, God existed
Speaker 1: before he created everything. So looking at it through a
Speaker 1: spiritual lens, yes, consciousness is divine, infinite and inhabits, inhabits
Speaker 1: the human form, but originates from beyond. If you're looking
Speaker 1: at it from a psychedelic perspective, one hundred percent every
Speaker 1: deep DMT trip confirms it. It feels like waking up
Speaker 1: from the human illusion, which I can say I can
Speaker 1: attest to absolutely it's a completely different reality. And then philosophically,
Speaker 1: if you're looking at it through that lens, is consciousness alien?
Speaker 1: Maybe we are alien to ourselves conscious siousness is the
Speaker 1: mystery that we're slowly remembering. So it says many thinkers, mystics, scientists,
Speaker 1: and philosophers throughout history of proposed to consciousness is not
Speaker 1: of this earth, or at least not a product of
Speaker 1: the brain alone. And here's a rundown of some of
Speaker 1: the key figures and traditions that support the idea that
Speaker 1: consciousness is alien, cosmic, or transcendent in origin. So, first off,
Speaker 1: we already mentioned em earlier, Terrence McKenna. Terrence McKenna. It
Speaker 1: says that perhaps the most well known proponent of the
Speaker 1: alien conscious ideas Terence mckin or Terrence mckinna. Rather, he
Speaker 1: believed that DMT was a portal to an alternate dimension
Speaker 1: populated by non human intelligences, what he called machine elves.
Speaker 1: And he famously said that we are like the coral
Speaker 1: animals building a coral reef. One generation lays down the genes,
Speaker 1: the next generation adds to it. We're building something, and
Speaker 1: the thing we're building is a mirror. What a fucking quote, dude,
Speaker 1: that's awesome. Yeah, we're just building something to look at
Speaker 1: ourselves correctly.
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean sure. Uh So.
Speaker 1: Another quote is that from Terrence mc kenna. He goes,
Speaker 1: the imagination is a dimension of non local information. We
Speaker 1: are embedded into a hyper dimensional matrix of information, and
Speaker 1: it's trying to communicate with us as far as the
Speaker 1: psychedelics go. Right, then you got your boy Carl Jung.
Speaker 1: Some people love him, some people hate him. Whatever. I
Speaker 1: like him, not for his political ideologies by any means,
Speaker 1: but his you know, more conscious kind of conversations philosophically.
Speaker 2: I like him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, while not using the term alien, Young believed that
Speaker 1: archetypes and symbols originated from a collective unconscious that transcended
Speaker 1: the individual. He even speculated in Flying Saucers, a modern
Speaker 1: myth of things seen in the Skies, that UFOs may
Speaker 1: be projections from the collective unconscious or actual autonomous psychic phenomena.
Speaker 1: He believed consciousness itself maybe tied to something universal or
Speaker 1: non material. I dig that then, of you know, your
Speaker 1: favorites the Gnostic mystics. Uh so, the Gnostic mysticism. The
Speaker 1: Gnostics believe that human souls came from the pleuroma, a
Speaker 1: perfect divine realm beyond the material world some might call
Speaker 1: that heaven. The human body was a prison. This is
Speaker 1: what they thought, that the human body was a prison,
Speaker 1: and the spark of divine consciousness was alien to this
Speaker 1: fallen reality. And the goal of life is gnosis, to
Speaker 1: remember where you came from and return. I actually agree
Speaker 1: with a lot of that, which I would right. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you got your boy. Plato one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: So in the myth of er in Timaeis, Plato describes
Speaker 1: souls descending from the stars to incarnate in bodies forgetting
Speaker 1: their true religion or their true origin. Rather, he viewed
Speaker 1: the soul as a divine essence that pre exists the
Speaker 1: body and returns to the stars upon death.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 1: Plato was on some shit, bro.
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, but Plato had some ship with him
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 3: He was well ahead of his time and a lot
Speaker 3: of his philosophical thought processes. Yes, but I mean he also,
Speaker 3: like most was an imperfect person. He had some some
Speaker 3: shit amongst his you know, his things.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he was uh yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh dude. I mean some of my favorite actors of
Speaker 1: all time with you know, Leo DiCaprio and who is
Speaker 1: the other one I was just thinking of anyway, you know,
Speaker 1: they all have their issues, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like Lear DiCaprio, he likes some young he likes a
Speaker 1: party and all that kind of shit. I probably wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to hang out with him in reality, but watching
Speaker 1: that motherfucker on screen, my god, you know, one of.
Speaker 2: The best to ever do it, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 1: Johnny Depp was the other name I was thinking of, like,
Speaker 1: not exactly the best human being, but for what he does,
Speaker 1: he's amazing at it. Sometimes you got to separate that,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's where I go with Plato, Like,
Speaker 1: who gives a fuck what he was doing in his
Speaker 1: regular life? What carried on through time?
Speaker 3: But I mean it's not like he was an actor
Speaker 3: who's a philosopher, So what he did in his private
Speaker 3: life you would think would at least try to mirror.
Speaker 2: You would think anyway. But I mean, yeah, we're getting
Speaker 2: off in the weeds here.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, actually, philosophy its etymological roots actually come
Speaker 1: from uh filo sophilo, which is to love, and uh sophia,
Speaker 1: which is wisdom. So philosophy literally translates to the love
Speaker 1: of wisdom. Yeah. So yeah, I mean you can love
Speaker 1: wisdom and still be a shithead, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: No doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Plato. Then you got Tesla Nikola Tesla. Tesla
Speaker 1: believed that thoughts and consciousness came from a non terrestrial source.
Speaker 1: His quote is, my brain is only a receiver in
Speaker 1: the universe. There is a core from which we obtain knowledge, strength,
Speaker 1: and inspiration. I have not penetrated into the secrets of
Speaker 1: this core, but I know that it exists. It's from
Speaker 1: the guy that said, literally everything is vibration frequency and
Speaker 1: what was the other one?
Speaker 2: Energy?
Speaker 1: Energy, frequency and vibration. Yeah, so he was on it.
Speaker 1: Then you got your boy. I mentioned him earlier, doctor
Speaker 1: ri Rick Strassman, who wrote the DMT the Spirit Molecule book.
Speaker 1: That's a thick ass book, bro, It's like five six
Speaker 1: hundred pages, so I don't plan on reading that. But
Speaker 1: a lot of crazy trials that he did with DMT
Speaker 1: back in the nineties. His clinical DMT trials led him
Speaker 1: to believe that consciousness may exist outside of the body,
Speaker 1: and that DMT may be a gateway to contact non
Speaker 1: human intelligences. Some subject subjects even reported interactions with beings
Speaker 1: that felt more real than real, sometimes calling them aliens, angels,
Speaker 1: or light beings. And I think I already went to
Speaker 1: or this one, the aboriginal dream time, esoteric Christianity, that'll
Speaker 1: be a fun one or slash Hermeticism says it views
Speaker 1: the soul as a divine spark trapped in the material body,
Speaker 1: with earth as a kind of school or exile. I'm
Speaker 1: not even gonna read the Gospel of Thomas because I
Speaker 1: know you hate that, but but yeah, this is all
Speaker 1: I was really trying to bring is like, if we
Speaker 1: were the aliens, you know, if we were that, what
Speaker 1: would be How would that work?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: And I wanted to really try and traverse all the
Speaker 1: different thought experiments, all the different theories, maybe you know,
Speaker 1: dive into what some of the ancient philosophers and religious
Speaker 1: people thought and how it correlated with this kind of
Speaker 1: thought experiment. Of course, back then they weren't really talking
Speaker 1: about aliens. They might have called them something else. You know,
Speaker 1: what I mean, they might have called them gods or
Speaker 1: angels or whatever, right whatever. Everybody has their own flavor
Speaker 1: to it. But I'm just like you know, it's after
Speaker 1: doing this research, bro, I'm not saying that we're the
Speaker 1: only ones out there in the universe as far as
Speaker 1: as far as humanity, but I will say that we
Speaker 1: are the only ones out there in the universe as
Speaker 1: far as consciousness. I think that consciousness is the only
Speaker 1: thing that exists out there in the universe. And if
Speaker 1: you know, whenever we die, whatever happens, wherever we came from, whatever,
Speaker 1: whether you believe that we go to heaven or you
Speaker 1: believe that we go into the DMT realm, or you
Speaker 1: think that just nothing happens. No matter what is going
Speaker 1: to happen, you're going to return to where you came from.
Speaker 1: I believe, and I think that most people believe that, right.
Speaker 1: And if that's the case, if you return to where
Speaker 1: you came from, then I don't know. I mean, is
Speaker 1: that is that like the alien world? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 3: I mean, that's the thing where when you say you
Speaker 3: return from where you came from, well, then that in
Speaker 3: and of itself sparks up an entirely different conversation because
Speaker 3: and again take religion out of it for two seconds,
Speaker 3: although you kind of can't separate the two, but just
Speaker 3: for the conversation, does that mean, like some some people
Speaker 3: out there believe that you just return to the earth,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, and you'll be born again
Speaker 3: as a plant. Your body will become the soil and
Speaker 3: you become a tree or whatever the case, and that
Speaker 3: would be your next life or something along those well.
Speaker 1: And to speak on that though, those are the people
Speaker 1: that look at themselves as only human. They don't know
Speaker 1: how to separate themselves as the soul, as the spirit,
Speaker 1: as the consciousness. They look at themselves as just the
Speaker 1: flesh suit. So yeah, from that perspective, whenever you die,
Speaker 1: you are just going back to the earth your human flesh.
Speaker 1: Absolutely is. Nobody's arguing that.
Speaker 3: Know, right right, But just like you said, these people
Speaker 3: have a very narrow view of in my personal opinion,
Speaker 3: not throwing shade at anybody, but I believe that those
Speaker 3: people have a very narrow view of life in its totality,
Speaker 3: like that, there's so much more to this experience than
Speaker 3: the give or take sixty to ninety years that you
Speaker 3: live on this earth and you die.
Speaker 1: And that's just it. It's a pessimistic look at life
Speaker 1: in general.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's it's that's depressing as fuck, honestly.
Speaker 1: Due then, like you know, like why even keep going?
Speaker 2: I care?
Speaker 1: Like why I get up and go to work? Like
Speaker 1: so that what so that you can feed your kids
Speaker 1: that are not going anywhere whenever they die?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, right, gives a fuck? Then?
Speaker 2: So this has been an interesting conversation.
Speaker 3: And again, I mean you and I have had many
Speaker 3: conversations about what we personally believe as far as aliens
Speaker 3: or ets or whatever nomenclature you want to put on them.
Speaker 3: I do find this to be an interesting conversation and
Speaker 3: I cannot wait to have this conversation even deeper when
Speaker 3: we get to Brohemian Grove and start kind of melding
Speaker 3: the minds of the conspiratorial world to see how does
Speaker 3: this bounce off of everybody? What other perspectives do people
Speaker 3: bring up that we haven't even thought of before? Or
Speaker 3: is it, like he said in the beginning, like this
Speaker 3: group sees them as only angel and demons, this group
Speaker 3: only sees them as interdimensional beings. This group only sees
Speaker 3: them as reptilians. I'm the It can go any direction.
Speaker 3: And there are so many different perspectives and so many
Speaker 3: different theories on these ets aliens us or UAPs and
Speaker 3: UFOs and flying saucers and tic TACs and orbs and
Speaker 3: all the shit in the usos.
Speaker 2: Yes, are they connected? Are they completely separate all the
Speaker 2: way through? Listen? We don't know. We just simply don't know.
Speaker 2: We have a lot of theories though, yeo.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing, you know. The the goal of
Speaker 1: this show is to open up that third eye. That
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that once you open up your third eye
Speaker 1: you're going to have access to all the truthful information.
Speaker 1: What it means generally when we say it is just
Speaker 1: open up your mind to all the different possibilities rather
Speaker 1: than staying so stagnant in your beliefs of what this
Speaker 1: reality is right. And that's why, you know, one of
Speaker 1: the main reasons why we love talking about conspiracies in
Speaker 1: general is because it shakes the rust off of your
Speaker 1: your view of this reality. You know, whenever you find
Speaker 1: out that nine to eleven was an inside job, or
Speaker 1: that you know, the the moon landing, at least the
Speaker 1: footage was absolutely fake. Those things will definitely like they'll
Speaker 1: they'll start to shake your foundation, the foundation of which
Speaker 1: you believe this reality actually is. And so by doing that,
Speaker 1: it causes a lot of people to get more curious,
Speaker 1: and it causes a lot of people to do a
Speaker 1: little bit more research. Well, if this is true, then
Speaker 1: this is you know, there's there's the domino effect. And
Speaker 1: that's what we really aim to do is just inspire
Speaker 1: you to really find your own way and not not
Speaker 1: be so you know, stuck in your own mud, so
Speaker 1: to say, but to free you from the shackles of
Speaker 1: the prison that you put yourself in whenever you thought
Speaker 1: that you understood this reality in general. And also to
Speaker 1: call out a lot.
Speaker 2: Of shitheads well put sir beautifully said.
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Speaker 2: Let's do that.
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