1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: W m n H w rip the dove off. We're 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:57,399 back from the ground. A scarce a little. 3 00:00:59,479 --> 00:01:06,239 Speaker 2: Boys, never shy, always provide she should the light. 4 00:01:06,719 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 3: Kind of commencer of a nature in ability, station. 5 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 2: And aptitude, and a transcendent graceless. 6 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:54,239 Speaker 4: Ever five. 7 00:01:55,719 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: Shaws and always slollowly, always. 8 00:02:01,159 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 3: Jones, never. 9 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 5: Raking, never a. 10 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 6: King. 11 00:02:10,400 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 3: Look at the King's. 12 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 7: All right? That is Katie's wart. The band is ek Schnock. 13 00:02:52,879 --> 00:02:54,879 We'll see if I'm pronouncing that correctly when we talked 14 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,400 to our guests in a moment. But welcome everybody. We 15 00:02:57,439 --> 00:03:00,439 have entered our number three new Marrow trace of Matt 16 00:03:00,479 --> 00:03:03,479 Connorton unleashed and we are live from the studios of 17 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,879 wm NH ninety five point three FM in Glorious Manchester, 18 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:08,879 New Hampshire. You can stream the show from anywhere. I 19 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,240 go to Matt connorton dot com slash live for all 20 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,159 of your live streaming options, social media links, contact info, 21 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,840 show archives, et cetera, et cetera. Today is Saturday March 22 00:03:17,879 --> 00:03:21,759 twenty eight, twenty twenty six, and I believe via WhatsApp 23 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,960 we have David Rausch from A K Schnack. 24 00:03:25,039 --> 00:03:29,879 Speaker 6: Hello David, good morning, Matt and WMNH listeners. Great to 25 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:30,759 speak with you, guys. 26 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 7: I'm excited to have you on. This project is really interesting. 27 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,360 So let's clear this up right off the bat, though, 28 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,599 am I pronouncing the name anywhere close to correctly? 29 00:03:40,439 --> 00:03:44,879 Speaker 6: You are absolutely close. You are totally perfect at K schnuck. 30 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,400 You could not be closer. Perfect pronunciation at K schnock. 31 00:03:48,479 --> 00:03:51,479 Speaker 7: Okay, wonderful, wonderful. Well, so let's get this out of 32 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:51,719 the way. 33 00:03:51,719 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 6: What does the name mean, in a combination of Latin 34 00:03:57,199 --> 00:04:03,840 and personal nonsense? Means hey, look at this. In Latin, 35 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:08,479 the word eke means behold, and schnock is a word 36 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,240 I made up when I was a young dude that 37 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,159 means whatever you want it to. So ek schnack means 38 00:04:15,199 --> 00:04:18,040 hey look at this, or hey check this out. 39 00:04:18,399 --> 00:04:22,399 Speaker 7: Okay, okay, oh wonderful. So yeah, I'm really curious to 40 00:04:22,439 --> 00:04:24,160 ask you about this. I mean, what, how do you 41 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,160 describe How do you describe your music? Because this is 42 00:04:27,199 --> 00:04:30,160 not something that fits into a particular genre. Obviously, you 43 00:04:30,199 --> 00:04:33,279 know there's elements of metal. When you hear the guitars, 44 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:37,399 you know that becomes clear. The lyrics are are very unique, 45 00:04:37,439 --> 00:04:39,480 and is that you singing are you the lead vocalist. 46 00:04:40,439 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 6: Yeah, so that you know, I want it to sound 47 00:04:44,439 --> 00:04:49,279 like a weird, scary old lady. So we just pitched 48 00:04:49,319 --> 00:04:52,800 my voice up a little bit, but that is me. 49 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,680 So yeah. And the music I think of it as 50 00:04:58,519 --> 00:05:04,360 on art rocks style that has three basic qualities, Like 51 00:05:04,399 --> 00:05:09,040 you said, heavy music, there's you know, also pop music 52 00:05:09,199 --> 00:05:15,839 broadly defined, and classical music too. It's kind of a 53 00:05:15,879 --> 00:05:23,959 nephew of Frank Zappa or Queen. So it's an art 54 00:05:24,079 --> 00:05:28,639 music with those three main qualities heavy music, pop music, 55 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:29,920 and classical music. 56 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,879 Speaker 7: Okay, okay, And yeah, so you're really genre blurring there, 57 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,000 which is cool because you know, it gives you It 58 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,079 gives you an ability to sound like something that's unlike 59 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,160 anything else anyone has ever done. I honestly can't think 60 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,600 of anything that sounds quite like this project. And is 61 00:05:45,639 --> 00:05:48,519 that important to you? I don't know. I don't know 62 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,160 if you've done other projects that were more sort of 63 00:05:51,199 --> 00:05:53,759 mainstream for lack of a better word, But is it 64 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,759 important to you as an artist to really do something 65 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,879 that's unique and to stand out and not just be 66 00:05:59,079 --> 00:06:03,439 kind of following what ever whatever trends are out there, not. 67 00:06:03,959 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 6: In its own sake. I don't have a goal to 68 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:17,000 do that for itself. But I've always struggled to keep 69 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:24,399 my creative instincts in one vein, I remember that actually 70 00:06:24,439 --> 00:06:27,160 a band I love, I don't know them super well, 71 00:06:27,199 --> 00:06:29,079 but but what I've heard of them I really love 72 00:06:29,879 --> 00:06:34,120 Will Go. I think the bassist in an interview said 73 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:39,720 something like, you know what will Go albums will sound 74 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:44,199 like we have our our universe that we work in 75 00:06:44,439 --> 00:06:49,000 and we're going to stay there, and you know, we'll 76 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,519 we'll we'll push its boundaries here and there. 77 00:06:51,639 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 8: But but you know, the the the things we do 78 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:07,600 broadly speaking, which is totally respectable, totally that's that's great. 79 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,560 If that's the way you know, you end up becoming 80 00:07:11,639 --> 00:07:15,319 creative world. For me personally, I've never been able to 81 00:07:16,319 --> 00:07:23,399 exhaust my interests as a songwriter by staying in one genre. 82 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,879 So I jump around from one genre to another, like 83 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:33,279 I'm playing with boats in a lake, and you know, 84 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,759 jumping in one boat and then letting a friend capsize it, 85 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,199 and then jumping in their boat and capsizing theirs. I 86 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,759 look at them more like that instead of a space 87 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:50,920 that if I leave my spacesuit, my eyes explode or 88 00:07:50,959 --> 00:07:54,160 my blood, vessels burst, or whatever happens in that circumstance. 89 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,079 Speaker 7: So yeah, it sounds like you would kind of get 90 00:07:57,079 --> 00:07:59,079 bored if you were in a project where it was 91 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,879 like you had you had certain parameters that Yeah, that's 92 00:08:01,879 --> 00:08:05,480 always interesting too. When artists they obviously as they become 93 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,399 more successful and they kind of develop a formula for 94 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,240 what seems to work for them commercially, and that does 95 00:08:11,319 --> 00:08:14,560 create sort of those parameters, and some artists can push 96 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,399 the boundaries. Some artists have to stay locked in, you know, 97 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,279 like if you know ACDC, just as a random example 98 00:08:20,279 --> 00:08:22,399 of that, right, you know, they've got a formula, they've 99 00:08:22,439 --> 00:08:24,160 got a template, and if they venture out of that, 100 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,319 people are going to be very confused. But it sounds 101 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,000 like it must be very exciting to approach it the 102 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,879 way that you do it, And I'm curious kind of 103 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,679 drilling down on that with this project. Do you go 104 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,919 when you do this your approach to creating these songs, 105 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:44,320 do you consciously think I have to do something that's different, 106 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,679 I have to do something that's unique that's hard to define, 107 00:08:47,919 --> 00:08:51,440 or is it more just sort of we're gonna see 108 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,559 what comes out here. I'm gonna I'm gonna create this song, 109 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,240 but I'm not trying to be different or weird or 110 00:08:58,279 --> 00:09:01,600 however people perceive it. I'm just trying to create whatever 111 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,600 is in my head that I think is going to 112 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:04,159 sound good. 113 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 6: I think it's more the second one. I can't guarantee 114 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:18,399 that everything I make people will love. I hope everybody 115 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:24,759 loves it, but I make it to move people in 116 00:09:24,879 --> 00:09:32,480 some way or another. It's not too achieve some arbitrary 117 00:09:32,519 --> 00:09:38,399 thing of like I did something out or genre defying 118 00:09:38,519 --> 00:09:41,360 or whatever like for its own sake. I think it's 119 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:45,639 more I kind of look at it the way I 120 00:09:46,519 --> 00:09:50,120 look at life generally. You know, there's such a range 121 00:09:50,399 --> 00:09:57,480 of kinds of experiences one can have, from incredible sorrow 122 00:09:57,639 --> 00:10:03,519 to joy to rage too terror to boredom, you know, 123 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,279 and every everything in between and other stuff. And I've 124 00:10:07,279 --> 00:10:13,440 always thought of the genres as each like kind of 125 00:10:13,639 --> 00:10:19,519 paints or something, colors of different paints in that whole picture. 126 00:10:19,879 --> 00:10:27,000 And so, you know, there's certainly compelling folk music about anger, 127 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:32,039 like Bruce Springsteen or Patti Smith or whatever. Plenty of 128 00:10:32,039 --> 00:10:37,440 those songs are pissed off, but you know, in terms 129 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:43,120 of just the raw emotional color of rage, death, metal 130 00:10:43,639 --> 00:10:48,960 is the angriest to perform. On the other hand, there 131 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:53,960 are converge songs that are love song. It sounds doesn't 132 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,279 sound like it the most, you know, maybe the most 133 00:10:57,879 --> 00:11:04,200 immediately to some ears. Anyway, loving sound is something softer, 134 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,679 maybe like a folk song or soul music or something 135 00:11:08,799 --> 00:11:13,080 like that. So I think of the genres more as 136 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:19,159 just different ways of showing the vast array of experiences 137 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:23,559 we can have. So that's how I use them. 138 00:11:23,799 --> 00:11:25,879 Speaker 7: And how did how did this project start? 139 00:11:25,919 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 6: This? 140 00:11:26,399 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 7: Is it true? That started at a temple University in Philly. 141 00:11:29,759 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right. So I had been actually to go 142 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:41,279 on this thing about the different emotions and emotional experiences 143 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:45,200 and whatever we can have as people. Originally I thought 144 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,639 I was going to be a psychotherapist, and I had 145 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:53,879 gotten out of college, went to Skidmore College and I 146 00:11:53,919 --> 00:11:58,679 graduated in two thousand and seven studying psychology and philosophy. 147 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,039 And I had a job as an take worker in 148 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:08,159 a behavioral healthcare center in South Philly. I saw every 149 00:12:08,399 --> 00:12:12,480 major and supporting role of the diagnostic statistic manual of 150 00:12:12,519 --> 00:12:22,039 mental disorders schizophrenia, major depression, bipolar disorder, addictions, and you know, 151 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,720 kids in a lot of circumstances in really great despair, 152 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:33,440 and I had thought I was going to do that career, 153 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:39,320 and I had this intake worker position, which I really 154 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,759 at first, you know, it was hard, but I got 155 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,879 I ultimately, I was able to do it at first 156 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:51,320 because I was I believed that, you know, the world 157 00:12:51,399 --> 00:12:55,840 as it is, can help these people with a system 158 00:12:55,879 --> 00:12:59,840 that we have. And then over the next year I 159 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:05,240 just got ground down about like, holy crap, this system 160 00:13:05,279 --> 00:13:09,879 in which we live is really pitted against people, whether 161 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:14,399 we are people who need care or people who are 162 00:13:14,519 --> 00:13:19,960 giving care. And I just got my ass worked and 163 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,720 roasted by it. And then meanwhile, I had been writing 164 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:27,919 this weird music as a little twenty three year old guy. 165 00:13:28,799 --> 00:13:33,639 And when I eventually said, oh crap, I can't do 166 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:39,200 this anymore. I gotta be on my way and try 167 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:43,600 music out. I went to Temple University and I met 168 00:13:44,159 --> 00:13:50,480 a really fantastic number of musicians and still friends to 169 00:13:50,519 --> 00:13:53,679 this day. That started the first version of the band 170 00:13:53,720 --> 00:14:01,000 with me in twenty eleven. So the beginning of A. K. 171 00:14:01,159 --> 00:14:08,399 Schnock was a transition from great, uh you know, kind 172 00:14:08,399 --> 00:14:14,440 of a personal psychological political crisis, from one walk of 173 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:19,720 life to another. And then meeting like minded thinkers and 174 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,960 feelers and musicians at that at Temple University where I 175 00:14:24,039 --> 00:14:28,440 went to study classical guitar, when I changed the course 176 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:29,399 of my life. 177 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,919 Speaker 7: Okay, okay, by the way, Yeah, that is interesting to me, 178 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,159 and I I I know a little bit about what 179 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,919 you're what you're talking about, how the system is, uh 180 00:14:38,399 --> 00:14:40,600 is pitted against these people who so desperately need to 181 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,679 help and uh, it sounds like you got uh you know, 182 00:14:44,679 --> 00:14:47,320 there's a lot of burnout in that field obviously. Yeah, 183 00:14:47,399 --> 00:14:49,440 and it sounds like you you kind of you were 184 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,480 you had the foresight to see what was coming for 185 00:14:52,559 --> 00:14:54,120 you if you had if you had stuck with it. 186 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:59,200 So so that that's interesting. And then I assume so 187 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,360 at Temple and you were studying it was classical guitar, 188 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:08,360 is that correct? Yeah, And that obviously shaped, I assume 189 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,120 shaped what you're doing today because you know it in 190 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,720 terms of being able to do things that are very technical. Obviously, 191 00:15:15,759 --> 00:15:20,600 that classical training is very helpful. And then so that 192 00:15:20,799 --> 00:15:23,759 was where the original iteration of the band formed, the 193 00:15:23,799 --> 00:15:29,960 first lineup formed at Temple. Yeah, okay, and then and 194 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,480 that was Oh, so this project has actually been around 195 00:15:32,519 --> 00:15:33,960 a while then, So that was you said that was 196 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:38,200 twenty eleven. Yeah, it's been a long time, long time. 197 00:15:38,519 --> 00:15:40,399 So how was I mean, I assume the sound has 198 00:15:40,759 --> 00:15:43,200 changed and evolved over time or I mean, were those 199 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,440 early songs that you did, were those also very much 200 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,919 genre bending or did it start out a little more conventional. 201 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:58,159 Speaker 6: Also genre bending. I've been in one project that was 202 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:03,759 more stationarily just one project. I was in an indie 203 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,440 rock band that I played drums in, and that was 204 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:13,879 I loved that group. But anytime I've ever written music 205 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:20,639 in my own personal musical language, it's always been, uh, 206 00:16:21,519 --> 00:16:24,879 you know, the shape shifting sound that it is for 207 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:25,799 better or for worse. 208 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 7: Ye. So yeah, And then when did you start releasing 209 00:16:30,519 --> 00:16:35,639 music with AK Schnack Now I'm butchering it. You're perfect 210 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:40,240 AKA snack all good? When when when did that begin? 211 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,240 As far as your your first output with the project? 212 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 6: I think our first EP was released in twenty fourteen, Okay. 213 00:16:52,720 --> 00:17:01,240 It's a tiny, little, uh eighteen minute EP called Letters 214 00:17:01,279 --> 00:17:04,440 to Herrmann Vasquez Rubio, which I don't think is on 215 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,000 our Spotify, but it is. 216 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 7: On band camp, okay. 217 00:17:09,599 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 6: And then it was another five years or so before 218 00:17:12,279 --> 00:17:16,799 we put out the second two releases, so we have 219 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:20,799 big old gaps between releases. 220 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:25,559 Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, Shadows Grow Fangs, that's your first since twenty nineteen. Correct, 221 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,920 that's right, Okay. And what was the spark that brought 222 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,519 this to fruition in terms of because obviously you do 223 00:17:32,559 --> 00:17:35,640 take long breaks between recording what what brought this? 224 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:36,039 Speaker 6: Uh? 225 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,279 Speaker 7: What what brought this to light? Wanting to do the CP. 226 00:17:41,759 --> 00:17:46,599 Speaker 6: I always, you know, again, for better or for worse. 227 00:17:48,839 --> 00:17:53,960 I take a long time to get the full picture 228 00:17:54,039 --> 00:17:58,000 of what I want a release to be. In fact, 229 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:04,720 let's see Shadows of Fangs the Internet three. Almost all 230 00:18:04,759 --> 00:18:08,640 of the songs on that EP are about as old 231 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:15,359 as the the story I was saying, like, I started 232 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:19,519 writing the title track Shadows Grow Fangs on a bike 233 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:23,680 ride home from my job as an intake worker. So 234 00:18:24,759 --> 00:18:32,400 I take a long time to finish stuff. And and 235 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:36,640 so I think in terms of what compelled it, I 236 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,000 was like, Okay, you got to just put this out already. 237 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,039 Let's just put these songs out on this EP and 238 00:18:43,039 --> 00:18:49,720 make this happen. So I guess the answer is, do it, 239 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,880 Gosh darn it, David, do it already. Put it out already, 240 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,240 and you know, you could have a you could have 241 00:18:56,279 --> 00:18:59,319 a kid graduating high school with this record. Put it 242 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:00,880 out so. 243 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,079 Speaker 7: Well. You know, good things take time, right, you. 244 00:19:06,039 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 6: Know you're correct? Correct? Easy? Yes, yes, I got to 245 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:09,759 go easy on myself. 246 00:19:09,799 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 7: There you go, There you go. I also want to 247 00:19:13,279 --> 00:19:17,000 know more about your connection with EMF, and yes, EMF 248 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,279 for people who don't remember Unbelievable, I mean, that's like 249 00:19:20,319 --> 00:19:24,640 the song that people remember the most. You're Unbelievable from EMF. 250 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,720 And of course I'm not sure how much music they've released, 251 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,599 and I know they have probably quite a bit, that 252 00:19:29,599 --> 00:19:31,680 they've been around a long time obviously, but tell us 253 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,079 about your connection with EMF and the touring and all that. 254 00:19:35,559 --> 00:19:41,519 Speaker 6: Yes, so we met them on our West Coast tour 255 00:19:42,079 --> 00:19:49,440 this past June, and like you say, I had heard 256 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,400 that song and I'd always loved it. I probably heard 257 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:59,440 it when I was ten years old, and you know, 258 00:19:59,559 --> 00:20:04,359 hadn't heard the other music until I was put onto 259 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:05,640 it by the fact that we were going to be 260 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:11,240 touring with them. Had no idea what they would be 261 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:20,440 like as dudes. But they were absolutely lovely, lovely, you know, 262 00:20:20,519 --> 00:20:28,119 to use a British term, lovely books and that tour 263 00:20:28,319 --> 00:20:34,160 was you know, fifteen days, but it felt like one 264 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,680 big day, the best day of our lives, I think, 265 00:20:39,599 --> 00:20:49,440 and just you know, constant warmth and laughter and you know, 266 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,960 and they're much more seasoned than we are obviously. 267 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 9: Yeah, but. 268 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 6: We just had so much fun with them, and they 269 00:21:02,839 --> 00:21:05,880 saw that we were taking what we were doing seriously 270 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:10,559 and we were supportive in terms of just the brass 271 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,960 tacks of people collaborating on a tour and independable and 272 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,599 all that. So, uh, and we're on this we're on 273 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,039 the same booking agency as they are, okay, And so 274 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,000 that's how we like the simplest way in which we 275 00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:29,880 got connected. Our manager pitched to the booking agency that 276 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,480 we'd be the opening act for that tour, and they 277 00:21:33,519 --> 00:21:37,000 took us up on it, and we proved ourselves and 278 00:21:37,079 --> 00:21:39,839 the rest is history. So we're on tour with them 279 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,519 this May on the East Coast for nine days and 280 00:21:43,559 --> 00:21:47,240 then six dates in England. Wow in June. 281 00:21:47,519 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 7: Oh fantastic. That's excellent. Yeah, you know, and it sounds 282 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,000 like you're having a great experience with them and how 283 00:21:53,039 --> 00:21:55,039 they are as people, which is great because obviously you 284 00:21:55,039 --> 00:21:58,000 don't always know going into a situation when you're opening 285 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,119 for somebody, what the headliner is going to be, like, 286 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:01,720 how they're going to be as people, how they're going 287 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,559 to treat you, and it sounds like it sounds like 288 00:22:04,599 --> 00:22:07,799 they're like legitimately really good people. So that's that's wonderful. 289 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:13,799 Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, it was awesome. And right there's you know, 290 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:19,680 like life is a mix and people are a mix. 291 00:22:19,759 --> 00:22:22,119 Each of each one of us is a huge mix 292 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:28,119 of virtues, flaws and mediocrits. So, like you say, you 293 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,880 never know what that mix is going to look like 294 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:37,079 in an individual, in a group of people, in a 295 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:42,759 set of experiences you can have. But with that relationship, 296 00:22:42,799 --> 00:22:48,000 it was just very lucky or blessed however you look 297 00:22:48,039 --> 00:22:48,279 at it. 298 00:22:48,519 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 7: Yeah, now that's fantastic. And did you also collaborate on 299 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:53,720 a song with them? 300 00:22:54,160 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 6: Yes, so on tour they had this basically complete idea 301 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:10,000 for a song. That's you know, if people don't know 302 00:23:10,559 --> 00:23:16,640 their sound, generally, it's it's party music with a little 303 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,920 bit of more and sometimes more than a little bit 304 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:24,759 of punk rock energy and tenacity and and then even 305 00:23:25,079 --> 00:23:29,960 to some extent, some political import too. So they have 306 00:23:31,599 --> 00:23:34,119 dear friends like most of us do, who are in 307 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:40,160 the queer community, and you know, in this troubled world, 308 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:46,680 the queer community is under great attack all the time. 309 00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:51,920 And so they wrote a song of solidarity with them 310 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:57,039 called lgbt Q plus Lover. And they had this song 311 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,279 that they were going to premiere on tour, and they 312 00:23:59,279 --> 00:24:04,079 did the first nights, and then when they saw us 313 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:08,640 and heard my singing and the other singer in my band, 314 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:15,039 Bella this incredible contralto, they said, Holy, holy heck, these 315 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,640 this guy and Gal are are really good singers. And 316 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,480 they have the beginning of the song basically sounds like 317 00:24:23,519 --> 00:24:26,720 a big choral pad, and they had they have a 318 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:31,839 synth pad on the tracks, usually live and on recording. 319 00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:36,319 But they're like, why don't we have the opener the 320 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,240 two singers from the opening band come on and join us, 321 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,279 which we did from the third all the way to 322 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,079 the last eleventh show of the night, and then after 323 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,039 that because we had so much fun and because audiences 324 00:24:51,079 --> 00:24:58,319 really appreciated it, they memorialized that relationship by having us 325 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,200 on the on that recording. So the song is called 326 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,160 l g b t Q plus Lover, and again it's 327 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:12,880 a song of solidarity with gay, transgender, transsexual, non binary 328 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:18,160 other other folks who are under attack and need our 329 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:19,799 ally ship. 330 00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:25,079 Speaker 7: That's extremely cool. I fully support that, and I actually 331 00:25:25,079 --> 00:25:27,119 pulled it up. I'm kind of scanning through the lyrics, 332 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:28,880 just making sure that I can play it, because I might. 333 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,839 I might play it later in the show. We do 334 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,480 have another track of yours that I'm going to play 335 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,400 at the end of our conversation, but after that, I 336 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,799 might sneak this one in two. I'm just scarning. I'm 337 00:25:36,799 --> 00:25:39,440 just scanning through making sure there's no uh no language 338 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:39,680 and I. 339 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 6: Don't think we have any naughty words. That he does 340 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:47,759 say the word boo hoo. So depending on your audience's sensitivities, 341 00:25:47,839 --> 00:25:51,119 maybe I should. Maybe I am a potty mouth for 342 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:51,920 saying that. 343 00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:55,079 Speaker 7: I can assure you I have a highly insensitive audience, 344 00:25:56,319 --> 00:25:58,440 so I think. So what I'm going to do is, 345 00:25:58,519 --> 00:26:00,880 I'm at the end of our versation, I'm gonna play 346 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,000 another track of yours, and then immediately after that, I'm 347 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,680 gonna play this m F track because I found it online. 348 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,319 So I think that's awesome, and that's so cool for 349 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,480 you like that. That was probably a huge surprise, right 350 00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:13,680 when when they asked you to do that. I assume 351 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:15,599 it was. 352 00:26:16,079 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 6: You know, if you have a certain amount of success 353 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,680 in any kind of creative or professional thing, it's a 354 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:36,480 sort of naturally human mistake to like deify people. And 355 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,640 I'm reminded, you know, this guy's kind of a controversial figure, 356 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,640 I think unfortunately because I don't personally I think he's 357 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:50,720 a heroic person. Nobody nobody's perfect, but Ralph Nader, the 358 00:26:50,759 --> 00:26:54,880 consumer advocate, you know, leftist gad fly. 359 00:26:56,039 --> 00:26:56,559 Speaker 7: I'm a fan. 360 00:26:57,279 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 6: Okay, heck yes, we got the Ralph Nader crew in 361 00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:05,440 the in the building. Ralph Naders says about politicians, he 362 00:27:05,599 --> 00:27:10,200 just says, they're not gods. They are people that tie 363 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,240 their shoes in the morning and brush their teeth at night, 364 00:27:14,079 --> 00:27:18,160 and so you can relate to them just as fellow people. 365 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:24,839 You don't have to feel smaller in there. You know, 366 00:27:25,079 --> 00:27:28,440 they're they're You're just as powerful as they are in 367 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,279 some respect. And uh, it's you know, it's a bit 368 00:27:32,319 --> 00:27:35,640 of a jump of a comparison. But basically, when n 369 00:27:35,759 --> 00:27:41,079 F said, hey, we see what you're doing, we like 370 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,960 it so much, we want you to join us, there 371 00:27:46,039 --> 00:27:51,519 was this surreal, like wait, what moment of but you 372 00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:58,920 but you guys literally helped with with your breakout, world 373 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:04,559 famous sing goal when I was eleven years old. You 374 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:12,240 helped put together the beginnings of my little brains understanding 375 00:28:12,319 --> 00:28:15,720 of what pop music is, and now you want me 376 00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:21,200 to participate in the continuation of your art. So it 377 00:28:21,319 --> 00:28:28,960 was it was pretty surreal and beautiful. And but then no, 378 00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:31,720 they're just people that put their shoes on in the 379 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,759 morning and take them off at night and brush their 380 00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:36,319 teeth at night and whatever. 381 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,599 Speaker 7: So yeah, that's that's amazing, awesome. I can't wait to 382 00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:44,680 I can't wait to play that. So at the end 383 00:28:44,759 --> 00:28:46,599 of our conversation. So, like I said, I'm gonna play 384 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,960 two things. So at the end of our conversation, I'm 385 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,400 gonna play Jeremy. I'm really curious to hear about this, 386 00:28:53,599 --> 00:28:58,680 the Jeremy Bentham song Jeremy Utilitarian sad Boy. Tell us 387 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,440 about this, tell us about a song? 388 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:11,039 Speaker 6: Sure, So, like I said, I'll four out of five 389 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,559 of the songs from our Shadows Grow Fangs EP, which 390 00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:21,559 we released last October, I believe I can't. I think so. 391 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:27,680 I think that's right. Four out of five of them 392 00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:34,920 are very old songs in my writing history. So when 393 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,720 I still lived in Philadelphia and just around the time 394 00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:43,519 that I started going to Temple University. As I was 395 00:29:43,559 --> 00:29:49,279 finishing up my changing from a would be shrink into 396 00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:54,880 a beginning musician beginning musician, I lived around the corner 397 00:29:54,920 --> 00:30:04,799 from this really curious, complicated museum called Eastern State Penitentiary, 398 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:10,000 which was a prison. It's the North Philly in the 399 00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:15,920 Fairmount neighborhood, and it's this great, big brick fortress in 400 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:21,319 a you know, pretty like relatively nice part of the city. 401 00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:25,119 There's like a couple rough spots here and there around it, 402 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,160 but like it's sort of nice around there. But there's 403 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:38,480 this but there's this prison museum, and every every Halloween 404 00:30:38,519 --> 00:30:43,480 they had this Haunted Prison event, and I would went 405 00:30:43,519 --> 00:30:47,319 to the Haunted Prison event and my friends would play 406 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:52,720 prisoners who were also zombies. And then I went there 407 00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:57,039 the next day and I learned about this guy Jeremy Bentham, 408 00:30:57,079 --> 00:31:03,279 who was this British full who and least at least 409 00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:09,039 in our troubled tradition, he was sort of a predecessor 410 00:31:09,119 --> 00:31:13,440 to Marx. He believed in the highest good, in the 411 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,279 least amount of suffering, the most pleasure, the least amount 412 00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:20,160 of pain, for the highest number of people, and he 413 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,559 believed that the government can play a positive and real 414 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,519 role in that. Wow, big whoop and incredible. It seems 415 00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:31,960 sort of obvious now, but for his time it was. 416 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,759 It was an important thing to say. And he precedes Marx, 417 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,440 so this is all good. But he had this weird idea, 418 00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:44,000 which was the idea of solitary confinement. So if you're 419 00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:49,799 familiar with the horrible things we do to prisoners, yes, 420 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,799 sometimes we're so brutal as to black people in closet 421 00:31:57,039 --> 00:32:03,720 sized rooms and leave them there indefinitely. I have a friend, 422 00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:08,279 in fact, named Keith Lamar who has been in solitary 423 00:32:08,319 --> 00:32:11,279 confinement for thirty five years. He's an innocent man on 424 00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:17,839 death row in Ohio. He's got ten months until the 425 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:27,680 scheduled execution. But you know, so he's an example of 426 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:40,119 this complete disaster of let's say, good intentions creating horrific nonsense. 427 00:32:41,079 --> 00:32:48,720 So the song is a an exploration of how did 428 00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:52,440 you how did you miss? How did you forget to 429 00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:56,440 carry the two on this cute little moral calculation you 430 00:32:56,559 --> 00:33:00,839 had Jeremy Bentham, you know, your highest good for highest number, 431 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:10,599 you know, kind of imagining something like the social safety net. 432 00:33:11,319 --> 00:33:15,559 And these are all good ideas and making sure people 433 00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:19,599 have food and housing in basic livelihood and human rights 434 00:33:19,599 --> 00:33:22,519 on it. But now you have this idea of locking 435 00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:28,319 people and closets indefinitely. Where'd you go wrong? It's weirdo right. 436 00:33:28,359 --> 00:33:31,960 And then the funniest, the last weird coincidence about his 437 00:33:32,759 --> 00:33:35,240 story that comes up in the song and the lyric 438 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:40,839 is that he had this idea that when you die, 439 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,400 you don't have to worry about death. You can grieve 440 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,680 the people that have died, but death is not a 441 00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:53,079 harm to the person that dies because they're no longer. 442 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:58,839 There's no harm to somebody who doesn't exist, So don't 443 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,480 fear death. And then in relation to the body, well, 444 00:34:02,519 --> 00:34:05,279 what do you do? What do you tell people about 445 00:34:05,319 --> 00:34:08,599 what to do with your body when you die? He said, 446 00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:14,119 I want to he said, basically taxidermy me, put me 447 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:17,079 in my seated position. He was a professor at an 448 00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:24,599 Oxford in London or sorry in England, and so he said, 449 00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:27,760 just put me in my cool hats with my cane 450 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,239 and my professor le Garb made me look swell or whatever, 451 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,599 and have me seated with a big smile on my face, 452 00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:38,039 and just let my body be an image of. 453 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:41,519 Speaker 10: You. 454 00:34:41,559 --> 00:34:45,760 Speaker 6: Know, the the body as a stale instrument was his phrase, 455 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,760 like a thing that just comes and goes and no 456 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,079 big deal. And you know, my former students, you can 457 00:34:52,119 --> 00:34:54,639 even laugh at me or whatever. So there's kind of 458 00:34:54,639 --> 00:35:00,840 like this light heartedness, right, but there's also this this weird, 459 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:07,400 grotesque accident where like he's putting his dead body in 460 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,599 this in this cell for his students to muse ad 461 00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:13,920 and to love him after he's gone, or to laugh 462 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,119 at him, or to be growth, grow soud or whatever. Right, 463 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:23,440 And meanwhile, his confused, absurd philosophical tradition ends up putting 464 00:35:23,519 --> 00:35:30,079 living people in cells. And and those are those bodies 465 00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:35,960 are not stale instruments at all. Those people are living 466 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,760 people with hopes and dreams and fears and emotions and 467 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,559 lives they want to live. So and then that's the 468 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,679 story of Keith Lamar is another important thing that if 469 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,719 we speak again, I want to tell you about. But 470 00:35:55,519 --> 00:36:01,280 for folks who need inspiration and want to help with 471 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:07,519 an important cause, check out Keithlamar dot org, okay, and 472 00:36:09,039 --> 00:36:13,280 you can hear about his story. He's an imprisoned man 473 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:19,039 on death row wrongfully who is an incredible philosopher, writer 474 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:24,920 and fact musician too, so Keith Lamar dot Org and 475 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,880 I'm sure you'd be interested in that as well. I 476 00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:31,039 really love this conversation and it seems like you are 477 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:32,960 curious about the right things. 478 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 7: Oh. Absolutely, And I'm also someone who my entire life, 479 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,079 I've always been very much opposed to the death penalty. 480 00:36:40,599 --> 00:36:43,159 One of the few things my dad, who passed away 481 00:36:43,159 --> 00:36:44,480 not too long ago, it's one of the few things 482 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,360 that he and I actually agreed on all the way 483 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,400 to his end, is politically one of the few things 484 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,440 we agreed on was that the death penalty is egregious 485 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,000 and wrong. So yeah, I'm going to look that up. 486 00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:58,519 I am curious to know more about that, and I 487 00:36:58,559 --> 00:37:00,440 would like to have a follow up conversation with you 488 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,079 on that subject in the future. Definitely. Yeah, that'd be 489 00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:08,840 very interesting. So we're going to in a moment, we'll 490 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,119 let you go, David, and we're going to play We 491 00:37:11,159 --> 00:37:15,079 are going to play Jeremy Utilitarian sad Boy to at 492 00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:17,000 the close of our conversation, and then, like I said, 493 00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:18,800 I am also going to play that E m F 494 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,360 track LGBTQ plus Lover. Very curious to hear that as well. 495 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,480 But I want to know, please share with our listeners 496 00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:27,559 where's the best place to go online to keep up 497 00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:31,639 with everything you're doing? Everything ak schnack is doing. How 498 00:37:31,679 --> 00:37:33,800 to spell it for people who don't know how to spell it? 499 00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:36,519 And uh and anything else you want our listeners to 500 00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:38,599 be aware of in terms of finding you online. 501 00:37:39,559 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 6: Great, yes, for better or for worse? I chose a 502 00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:50,159 funny name for this act. I often think of the 503 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,800 hip hop artist talib Quality. You know, yeah, he could 504 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:58,519 have he was. He's obviously very creative guy. He could 505 00:37:58,519 --> 00:38:01,639 have chosen a much more forward name for himself. But 506 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,440 for whatever reason, some of us, you know, just get 507 00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:10,440 attached to challenging names. And he has a whole song 508 00:38:10,559 --> 00:38:15,199 about you pronounced the name quality, any questions whatever, So 509 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,320 he's making kind of making fun of his of that 510 00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:23,199 choice of his own. For me and our band. Uh, 511 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:28,000 the name is spelled e double c e e c 512 00:38:28,119 --> 00:38:35,639 c e space s h n a K schnock k 513 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:40,719 schnock e double c e space s h n a 514 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:46,960 K And we got to update it, so bear with 515 00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:50,440 us on the on the website. But but certainly websites 516 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,360 are are an old school thing to do, so you 517 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,800 can check it out there but in terms of the 518 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:03,760 most immediate things, I think Instagram is the best medium 519 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:10,599 to get the totally most up to date AH updates 520 00:39:11,079 --> 00:39:16,719 about us and any any streaming platform of your choice. 521 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,480 To check out the music, and then we can certainly 522 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,000 send you merch if you fall in love with the 523 00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:28,519 music and want some want a vinyl or a T 524 00:39:28,639 --> 00:39:33,159 shirt or something, we have a store for that. Two 525 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:42,119 and yeah, so I think the the maybe for for 526 00:39:42,519 --> 00:39:46,119 for an odd band. We have more hum drum, mediocre 527 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,599 ways of listening to us. 528 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,239 Speaker 7: So yeah, you know what, though it occurs to me, 529 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,599 it does make you very google able, as I like 530 00:39:55,679 --> 00:39:59,119 to say, because if someone googles your name and you know, 531 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,960 assuming they spell correctly, there's not gonna be any confusion. 532 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,239 Oh is this is this the correct at? Do I 533 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,679 have the right one? You don't have to worry about that. 534 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:13,840 So that's a good thing. Absolutely, Thank you. Well, So 535 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,519 we're going to to in a moment. We're gonna play 536 00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:18,519 this track, Jared, Jeremy, I don't know, I have so 537 00:40:18,599 --> 00:40:21,639 much trouble with it. Jeremy utilitarian sad boy. I need 538 00:40:21,639 --> 00:40:24,559 more caffeine this morning. But David, thank you so much 539 00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:28,119 for joining us. This has been a wonderful conversation. Fascinated 540 00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:30,360 by your music. I really love it. Check out the 541 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,800 ep everybody Shadows Grow Fangs really really good and we 542 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,159 will definitely have you back. Man, this has been wonderful. 543 00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:37,639 Thank you so much for joining us today. 544 00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:41,360 Speaker 6: Thank you so much, man, and peace and love to 545 00:40:41,639 --> 00:40:46,000 w M n H listeners. So much gratitude to you, 546 00:40:46,679 --> 00:40:48,920 and hopefully we'll see you on the East Coast tour. 547 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,519 Boston might be the nearest you guys, are I think 548 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:59,159 so uh so Yeah, much love and gratitude to everybody 549 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:04,559 in the w M n H universe. Peace and love, Davy. 550 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 7: All right, talk to you soon, my friend. Take care, 551 00:41:05,519 --> 00:41:10,360 bye bye. All right. That was David Roush. The project 552 00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:14,280 is k Schnack and check this out. This is called 553 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:19,800 Jeremy Utilitarian sad Boy from the ep Shadows Grow. Thanks Hey. 554 00:41:21,519 --> 00:41:24,320 Speaker 1: You wall bless the world over. 555 00:41:25,639 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 3: My net in still n. 556 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:32,360 Speaker 9: Scuping the puppets. 557 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,599 Speaker 1: But you'll just even buddy. 558 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:41,800 Speaker 11: S seeking lash scot for highest number hand. 559 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,320 Speaker 3: Fuzzy out up sky. 560 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,679 Speaker 7: We have a fair pulls buddies punning this show. 561 00:41:58,199 --> 00:41:58,519 Speaker 6: Listen. 562 00:41:58,639 --> 00:42:03,119 Speaker 1: The world said to the resign for the singing of 563 00:42:03,199 --> 00:42:07,559 the Visit God. Blessings of a straight. 564 00:42:08,559 --> 00:42:12,199 Speaker 12: Can do what many heads prevails to inheritance in yourplef 565 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:12,440 on that. 566 00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:18,360 Speaker 1: Second again, a godless of the iris f on the 567 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:25,639 present was it was like this trial got sentury kind 568 00:42:25,719 --> 00:43:36,000 of sense God again, as I will do everything in 569 00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:36,880 my power. 570 00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:39,440 Speaker 13: Can you hear the Angel sing. 571 00:43:40,119 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 1: To protect. 572 00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:48,159 Speaker 4: Our l g b g Q citizens r l g 573 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,159 b g Q plus you prus me work free to. 574 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:55,679 Speaker 1: Ld BJQ. 575 00:43:56,159 --> 00:43:58,519 Speaker 14: Yeah, you and me wele to. 576 00:44:11,559 --> 00:44:15,960 Speaker 13: I had some say long, fellow man. So it's being gay, 577 00:44:16,119 --> 00:44:19,159 but God's great plan love to three people. 578 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:20,719 Speaker 1: It's the most ball thing. 579 00:44:21,039 --> 00:44:22,719 Speaker 9: It's prey, a prey upon. 580 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:24,199 Speaker 3: Let's say. 581 00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:38,559 Speaker 13: The Angel say I may be your friend, I'm sister 582 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:39,960 or your brother. 583 00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,800 Speaker 14: You will be so rased to discovered. Hey, hell, I 584 00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:51,639 think with each other. And it's plait to see even 585 00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:57,159 yes straight, because I just says, they explain to me, 586 00:44:57,559 --> 00:44:59,119 who hate hate? 587 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:09,000 Speaker 1: W I love all? Plus you trust me free to. 588 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,280 Speaker 9: Yeah, you and me you need to. I don't see. 589 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,360 Speaker 7: So let's be pertly queer. 590 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,519 Speaker 13: Spell put the words that you struggle once a here 591 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,559 and if film FETs you, well, I do love. 592 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:34,360 Speaker 7: It's the us and that'll get us through the Angel soon. 593 00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:40,360 Speaker 6: I do love. 594 00:45:40,519 --> 00:45:43,679 Speaker 14: It may be dead by your counsel or your beast's 595 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:44,639 father as well. 596 00:45:46,519 --> 00:45:48,960 Speaker 7: Trust, Mother, you will be so. 597 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:53,519 Speaker 13: Trust to discover that hell o't say we will shove 598 00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:53,880 back and. 599 00:45:54,119 --> 00:45:57,960 Speaker 14: Wait to see he wouldn't feel straight because the choices 600 00:45:58,159 --> 00:46:02,599 on another boy and they explain to me what I hate. 601 00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:05,000 Speaker 3: Love with. 602 00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:19,360 Speaker 1: Bless you trust me walk pret you break me to 603 00:46:20,519 --> 00:46:22,480 do everything in my power. 604 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,559 Speaker 6: Can you hear the angel sing? 605 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:34,719 Speaker 4: Prete shake tail feather the fucking works, l g G. 606 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,800 Just do it, just to it, just do it now 607 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,960 to protect Prette attack. 608 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:51,840 Speaker 14: My friend, my sister or your brother hasn't bet you 609 00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:57,519 will be so to discover how old they with each other? 610 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:04,360 Explains to say, you know, yeah straight because I'm your sists. 611 00:47:05,639 --> 00:47:06,519 Speaker 11: What the height. 612 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:09,239 Speaker 6: With the. 613 00:47:12,559 --> 00:47:15,639 Speaker 1: Ella shops? 614 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,880 Speaker 3: Elia and. 615 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,320 Speaker 1: Ela shoots from. 616 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:49,519 Speaker 9: Fraser Nana's Kitchen and Pizzeria. 617 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,519 Speaker 1: From Nana's hands. 618 00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,880 Speaker 7: It's to your plate tradition, love and taste. 619 00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:01,159 Speaker 2: That's great though fermented dough flavors, Oh true. 620 00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:09,280 Speaker 15: Each by the story made just for you six O 621 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:14,280 three two three two nine three six six Nana's Kitchen 622 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,880 and Pizza Reed fifteen Dartleth Dry Auburn, New. 623 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:22,559 Speaker 1: Hampshire Kitchen and Pier. 624 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,519 Speaker 11: Luigi's Pizza Barren Grill. 625 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:33,440 Speaker 14: Under one, Let's raise a slice on hide with top 626 00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:37,320 and to all the ground Pizza Pizza Barrio. 627 00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:42,320 Speaker 11: Line Luigi's Pizza Barren Grill, seven twelve Valley Street, Manchester. 628 00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:45,440 Come on in or call six two two one zero 629 00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:50,760 two one. 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