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Speaker 1: They're gonna shut us down. Okay, let's go.

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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely you Can't Be

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Serious Podcast with your co hosts James D. Graves and

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Jason Colliban. Welcome back, everybody to the Shirley you Can't

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Be Serious Podcast. We are nearing years in with a

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fantastic comparison of YouTube's Joshua Tree versus Prince Sign of

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the Times, two amazing albums that we just lucked into

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deciding to compare. They both came out in nineteen eighty seven,

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they both are from March of that year. They both

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were up for Album of the Year. I mean these

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two are some of the biggest hitters of both of

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these bands careers and all of the eighties and all

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of music history really.

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Speaker 1: And there was an actual rivalry between Prince and you two,

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so we know Prince is a competitive guy. When he

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met with Michael Jackson about singing on the Bad album

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flashback to our Michael Jackson episode, Prince sat cross armed

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and was intensely competitive with Michael Jackson.

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Speaker 2: Okay, don't forget the ping pong games and the basketball

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games either. I mean he would beat him in any

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way possible.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. King of pop my rear, right.

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Speaker 2: Brent, your butt is mine? Whoa? Whoa? What what did

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Speaker 1: You may be the king of pop, but I'm the

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king of ping pong. Prince's reaction upon hearing you two,

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he said, do you know what I would do if

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I had a voice like that? Become a janitor?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. At some point, Prince compared these albums and compared

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himself to YouTube. He says, the difference between me and

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them is I could play every single one of their

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songs and they couldn't even play Housequake. That's right.

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Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, I guess they softened over the years though,

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because while touring Dublin, Prince invited Bono to come on

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stage and you can actually YouTube Bono singing Prince's version

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of the Cross.

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Speaker 2: Both Prince and most of you two have strong Christian

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backgrounds and that comes into play in a huge part

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Speaker 1: Well, last week, if you missed it, we talked about

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Princess Sin of the Times album. We walked through the

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lineup of songs on that one. Today we're going to

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walk through the nineteen eighty seven album The Joshua Tree,

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and at the end of this we'll give final judgment

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on which one we think is.

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Speaker 2: The better album. Yeah, for sure. It's interesting how one,

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you know, Prince has conquered rock and roll and is

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starting to move away from it, whereas you two is

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finding those roots and moving even more towards it from

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the punk scene. It's kind of interesting.

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Speaker 1: I'm anxious to dive in with the history of you

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Speaker 2: Let's do this, Okay, let's jump in. So where does

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you two begin? I think you have to begin with Bono, right, sure? Yeah?

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So Bono his parents. This is in Ireland in the sixties.

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and I can see how that would as a youth

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having parents of differing denominations could be a really hard

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thing to deal with. In nineteen sixties and early seventies.

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Speaker 1: Ireland, I mean these it was the basis for war.

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had decided early on that they were going to raise

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their first child to take him to the Protestant Church,

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and that was of course Bono's older brother, and then

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the second child they would raise in the Catholic tradition,

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he had no interest in going to the Catholic Church.

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mother and brother growing up. But with the trouble that

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to school to avoid the trouble of it. And then,

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very sadly, in nineteen seventy four, his grandfather passed away,

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his mother's father passed away, and then while at the funeral,

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his mother suffers an aneurysm and then she dies two

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days later. It's crazy and I cannot express to you

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how devastating it is. I lost my mom when I

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and then this, this happens to him, and fortunately God

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looked with favor upon him. And just shortly after this,

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a new school open called the Mount Temple Comprehensive School,

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which was non denominational and had his co ed and

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a mix of students. Is really quite a good school,

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in nineteen seventy six he sees a posting that a

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fellow student has done saying hey, I want to start

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a band. And that fellow student was Larry Mullen Junior,

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who was a couple years younger than Bono. He had

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noticed him in the hallways. They hadn't really been close,

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but Bono says, hey, that sounds good. I'd like to

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be in a rock band. So he shows up with

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a few other guys to Larry Mullen's house. They have

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their first rehearsal in his kitchen, and among the guys

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that show up, you've got David Evans, who would later

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become the Edge, and of course Bono at that time

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was still known as Houston. And then you had the

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Edge's brother, Dick Evans, who was also playing guitar. And

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but had talked a really good game and talked about

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fret boards and music production and stuff like that, so

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they thought he was cool enough guy to be in

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the band. And then there were a couple of well,

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for lack of a better term, couple of mark Stones.

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guy named Ivan McCormick and a guy named Peter Martin

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who were friends of Larry's but they ultimately didn't last

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Speaker 1: And Dick Evans, who was the older brother. You know,

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I can see this playing out. I'm eighteen, you guys

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are fifteen. I'm out of here. I'm gonna go chase

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chicks while you guys started around with your instruments. Oh,

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you guys became you two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So on that first rehearsal, Larry said, I thought

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this was gonna be the Larry Mullen band for about

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ten minutes until Bono walked in and blew away any

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chance I had of being in charge.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard him say that he has been relegated

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to hiding behind the drums for the rest of his life.

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Speaker 2: And that's an interesting dynamic. You know, both Adam and

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Larry have a great role in the band, but it

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is much more a foundational role. It is like you said,

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they stand in the background and they hold the band

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up right. You know, that's their job. They're not out

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there to put on some spectacular show. They are there

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to provide that rhythm section for The Edge and Bono.

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are starting to listen to them with the consideration of

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managing or recording or signing, these guys, Adam and Larry

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still don't really know how to play their instruments very

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well at the Edge. And by the way, you know

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they got these names, Bono and the Edge, they got

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these names after a list of nickname I'm sure you

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guys in high school too, people just got nicknamed sometimes,

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person was most insecure about and making that their nickname.

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and so did the Edge. But then the Edge ultimately

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got his because of how pointy his chin is. That's

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why it's called the Edge. So the Edge knows how

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to play the guitar. By the time people are listening,

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he is an accomplished musician. He has got his own

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technique and Bono he doesn't have an amazing voice, but

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he has a voice that you just kind of want

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to listen to. Right. It's not like you're amazed by

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the beauty of his voice, but the style of his singing,

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and of course his lyrics draw you in.

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Speaker 1: What he does with his voice is he portrays emotion

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better than most singers that I can think of.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, he leans into it.

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Speaker 1: It makes me want to weep. It is powerful.

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Speaker 2: It's from the heart. Yeah, it's truly from the heart.

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And he said that very early on into the experience.

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He developed a Messiah complex and probably was very difficult

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to deal with. But just the idea that he might

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be able to have influence over the world from this

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thing that he loved more than anything else just got

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his juices flowing. I mean, it made him an incredible

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front man. You watch Old videos of this, you know,

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whenever Eddie Vedder would start climbing on the rafters. Well,

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Bona was doing that over a decade before him. Right,

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he was jumping into the crowd, a decade before Kurt

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Cobain ever thought about it. He was punk rock. They

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listened to the Jam I think Bono said his first

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show was the Clash. They listened to the Buds Cocks

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and the sex Pistols, and Bono had he would listen

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to Bowie and Dylan and Leonard Cohen and he also

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liked Mark Bolan from t Rex. They realized, hey, you know,

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punk rock is really at the forefront right now, especially

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here in Ireland. And it turned out you don't have

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to be a good musician in order to play punk rock.

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with that, right.

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Speaker 1: Hey, before you get too far, I was just gonna

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mention when they first got together they called themselves Feedback. Yes,

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that was the name of their band, Feedback, because that's

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what their rehearsals sounded like the entire time, right, okay,

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Neat just like Nikki six splashback to ar Motley Creue episode.

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The fact that these guys can't play their instruments does

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not slow them down from being rock stars.

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Speaker 2: Right. It's a passion for sure. I mean, you know,

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like with def Leppard, they realized early on that Joe

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Elliott didn't have the best voice, but he had that passion,

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and that passion means a whole lot, right, that's right.

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he goes I was thinking about putting a band together.

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You want to meet up? And I was like sure,

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because hey, being in a band sounds cool, right. Nobody

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at fourteen, fifteen, sixteen years old is thinking I want

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to change the world with my music. They they're thinking

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it'd be really cool to be in a band. You

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probably get some chicks that way. So these guys when

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they very first got together, they had this passion. They

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did not, unlike a lot of bands, they did not

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cover a bunch of songs by other artists, and they

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said it wasn't because they thought they were better than

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the artist. It was because they weren't good enough yet

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to be able to cover those artists, right. So they

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in doing their own stuff, they really developed their own style.

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guy from a show called Young Line, he's looking for

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artists to put on his show, and he hears that this.

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one original maybe two original songs that they know. And

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they're in the kitchen again arguing about how they're going

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to do the song. You know, they can't decide who's

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big argument, and then there's the knock at the door

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and the guy comes in and he's like, so here

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you boys are playing original songs and they're like, yeah, yeah,

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he says, sure, here's an original song of ours called

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Glad to See You Go, which is a ramone song.

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play him this Ramote song and he's like, oh, so

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that's your song, huh. And they're like, yep, that's us

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actually play their own original song. But it was it

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was a Ramone song that got them their first TV gig,

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which may be the reason that they later wrote a

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song called the Miracle of Joy Remote. We have a

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great song that you might like to hear.

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Speaker 1: It's called Bohemian Rhapsody. Like I said, they were called

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Feedback initially. They then changed their name to The Hype,

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and as the Hype they were playing around doing some gigs,

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getting in front of people. But in March of nineteen

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seventy eight, Larry spotted an ad for a talent contest

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and there was CBS Music was involved in it. A

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small cash reward for this thing when the five hundred

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pounds thank you when so they entered and thought, hey,

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you know, great exposure whatever. They were shocked and surprised

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when they actually won the talent contest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And so by that time they had scored themselves

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a manager. His name was Paul McGinnis, and they realized

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that one of the things that they liked best about

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him was that he got them beer chicks and beer,

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beer and chicks. Yes. So Paul McGinnis had been involved

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in I believe it was Irish movies and had decided

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to get involved in the music scene, and so he's

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excited about you two. They're one of the first bands

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that he manages, but he ends up with several and

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after this talent competition, he goes to meet with this

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guy named Chazz Dewaaley and he's got this suitcase full

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of tapes for all these bands, and he pulls out

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the U two tape and says, hey, these guys just

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won the CBS talent competition. That might be a good

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band for you to go check out. And so Chazz

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Dewayey's listens to the tape. He's like, Okay, these guys

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are not bad. I'll go see them play. And so

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he travels up to a bar to watch them play

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and he says, I'll walk in and the bar is

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only half full because half of their fan base was

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too young to come in. And he said the band

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was good about a standard band for the day. You know,

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it was exactly what he would expect, but he said

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Bono was mesmerizing. He said he performed like a Shakespearean tragedy.

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And Dewayaley says, I was in university I had seen

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a young actor portraying Hamlet and Shakespeare and that actor

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was Ian McKellen. So that's pretty cool. He said. When

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he saw Bono on stage, it was though. Bono embodied

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those same dramatic techniques that Ian McKellen had used when

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he was performing Shakespeare. I was like, wow, I mean, yeah,

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how do you not sign that band? So Chas Dewayey

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ends up being the guy that produces their first press records.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's incredible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Chas Dwaylley said that, you know, as there as

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he was trying to record that first album, he was

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kind of a jerk to him, specifically to Larry Mullen,

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because Larry mull at that point still couldn't keep rhythm.

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He couldn't keep a steady beat, and so he'd go, Nope,

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that was terrible, do it again, Okay, you're terrible, do

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it again, and so he could. He said, I understood

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why Larry would have been rather mad at me. He goes,

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I didn't even realize it until I read the book

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years later, but apparently Bono was so seething mad at

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me that he was just shy of punching me out,

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which I gotta say, I probably deserved the way I acted,

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but I had no idea. He contained it very well.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: So you got a list for ust of albums for YouTube?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so just covering the chronology of YouTube. So that.

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They had an album in nineteen seventy nine called three.

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This is known as their debut. It was released in

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Ireland but not an international release. Then in nineteen eighty

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they had the album Boy Yep, and then in nineteen

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eighty one they had October. They hit Stuff that Fire

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and Gloria.

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Speaker 2: October is kind of known as their Christian album as

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much as any U two album as a Christian album.

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In the interim, as they're soaring up their fame ladder,

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they start going to a charismatic church. The four of

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them and three of them everybody except for Adam, are

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enticed and become born again Christians. And this is a

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huge moment in the life of the band because they

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all become very strong in their faith. Adam is this

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twenty one year old guy who wants to live the

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rock star lifestyle, and so it's these things are at odds,

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you know, obviously, and so he's wanting to use the

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back of the bus for one reason, and they're wanting

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to use it for a place to do a Bible study.

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So it becomes very tricky and they almost broke up.

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A lot of they're born again Christian friends were saying,

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you can't lead a Christian lifestyle and be a rock

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and roll band. You have to give this up. You

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have to make the sacrifice. And it's a little scary,

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especially for Adam who's just thinking, Wow, you know, we've

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come all this way and suddenly these guys are just

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going to leave me. And ultimately, one by one Bono decides, no, what,

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I'm not listening to these guys. I'm not going to

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give up my band. I can be a Christian and

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a rock and roll star. And then Larry follows suit.

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He's like, no, I'm not going to do that either.

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And the Edge is the one that's holding out. And

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I mean the Edge really is the sound and the band.

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I mean it's that's a huge, huge thing. Yep. And

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so at some point Bono says, hey, let's go for

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a walk and the Edge says he fully expected Bono

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to say, stay in the band, don't leave us, But

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what Bono said instead was you have to follow your heart.

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You have to do what is right for you, and

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whatever you do, I will support you in it. And

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that was what caused him to stay with the band.

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Speaker 1: That's a great story. And you know, the idea that

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you cannot be a Christian and being a rock band,

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I think has been somewhat dispelled because of the amount

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of good that this band has done internationally.

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Speaker 2: Say what you will about And I remember hearing the

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joke way back when of you know, the guy dies

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and goes to rock and roll Heaven and he's like,

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oh look there's Elvis. He really was dead. And oh

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look there's Jim Morrison. He really was dead. And he's like,

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wait a minute, is that Bono. I didn't even know

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Bono was dead. And the other guy goes, oh, no,

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that's God. He just thinks he's Bono. But but for

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a guy who has done the philanthropic work, yeah he

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has done. I mean he's he is a guy who

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backs up what he says with what he does. When

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they finished with Live Aid, everybody else went back home,

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or went and had a party, or went on tour,

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and he and his wife went to Ethiopia to work

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with the starving people.

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Speaker 1: And that's right, that's yeah, freak and awesome.

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Speaker 2: So October was their quote unquote Christian album, and they

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weren't preaching, They weren't telling people how to live. They

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were talking about what their faith meant to them. And

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I think because of that, it was an album that

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everybody could welcome. They didn't see it as hypocritical or

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anything like that. It was an album that increased their fame,

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increased their popularity instead of taking away from it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, after October in nineteen eighty one, they come out

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with the album called War in nineteen eighty three.

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Speaker 2: Right, which has a picture again of that little boy

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that was on Boy and he looks a little angrier

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and a little bit more beat.

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Speaker 1: Up on War, That's right. Songs off this one that

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you may know New Year's Day, definitely Sunday, Bloody Sunday.

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Speaker 2: That was the first time I remember hearing you two

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was we're seeing that video on MTV of Sunday Bloody Sunday,

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huge hit.

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Speaker 1: There was an album released at the end of nineteen

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eighty three. It's a live album. It's called Under a

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Blood Red Sky. Yeah, but really The Unforgettable Fire in

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nineteen eighty four was what really made them rock heroes.

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Hits off this album, Pride in the Name of Love

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one of their signature songs. They have a song called

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The Unforgettable Fire and then the song Bad that. If

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you've ever seen their performance of Bad at Live AID

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in nineteen eighty five, which again I'm getting ahead of

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myself a little bit, it is.

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Speaker 2: Amazing. Right. Yeah, you mentioned Pride. I got a bit

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of a story on that one. So they have played

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Pride more often than they've played any other song. And

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it's a song about Martin Luther King, right, yep. And

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so when they were on tour with Joshua Tree right,

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the album that we're discussing today, when they were on

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tour with that, they had been campaigning for Martin Luther

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King Day as a holiday in Arizona. Just a quick

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bit of history there. Ronald Reagan had made Martin Luther

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King Junior Day a day to be honored, people get

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off work. It was a national holiday, and Arizona's governor

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had followed suit and said, yes, this is going to

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be Martin Luther King Junior Day. But then another governor

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got elected and he changed the day from a Monday

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to a Sunday, so that nobody was getting off of

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work it was this time, and so there was this

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big petition in Arizona to say, hey, no, this needs

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to be on the Monday that we said it was

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going to be on. And it was a pretty heated thing.

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So when they come through on their Joshua Tree tour,

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they're getting death threats from some people in Arizona because

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they've campaigned for the Martin Luther King Day. And the

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FBI comes to them and says, hey, you know, I

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don't want We're not going to tell you guys not

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to do the show, but we would really encourage you

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not to do Pride in the Name of Love because

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there have been people who said you will be assassinated

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if you do this song. And so Bono said, okay, well,

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we're not going to be intimidated by that. We will

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do it, and if it happens, it happens. And so

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in the middle of the you know, in the middle

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of the set, they're going to do that song, and

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they start singing the song and there's this line where

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very explicitly, you know, April four talking about the bullets

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ringing out at Memphis, and he knows, Hey, if I

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was gonna assassinate me, I would do it when I'm

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singing this these lyrics. So at this point he kneels down,

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you know, in almost like a execution style pose, ready

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for whatever is about to come. And just as he's

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doing that, he sings the lyrics. Nothing seems to happen.

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He looks up and Adam is standing in front of him,

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chest out, chin out, ready to take whatever bullets are

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gonna come Bono's way.

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Speaker 1: That is awesome.

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Speaker 2: You've got to love that. You've got to love that.

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That is amazing.

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Speaker 1: A couple of things I want to mention T and

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D before we move on from Unforgettable Fire. Prior to this,

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in nineteen eighty three, YouTube performed at.

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Speaker 2: The festival, of course, because as every band we talk

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about performs at the S Festival.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that a crazy coincidence?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: It's crazy in excess the police.

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Speaker 2: Not only can Steve Wozniak make some dang good computers,

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he can pick some dang good bands to be in

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his show. I'll tell you Van Halen, You two, Motley.

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Speaker 1: Cruze, Motley Crue I mean, what kind of awesome concert

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would that have been?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Okay, there's something I want to talk about, in particular

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regarding the Unforgettable Fire.

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Speaker 2: Okay, go for it, Yeah, all right.

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Speaker 1: On July thirteenth, nineteen eighty five, you two was involved

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in the Live Aid concert at Wembley Stadium. Okay, ye,

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Live Aid if you don't remember, that was to support

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and help with the Ethiopian famine, which was this huge

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thing in the eighties. And while they were there, You

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Two's on stage. They're kind of the up and coming

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band right right, not the big boys quite yet. They're

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singing the song bad off the Unforgettable Fire album, and

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Bono notices in the front road there's a girl who's

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getting crushed and he starts to gesture to the ushers

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and they don't understand what he's saying. And I think

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it's really cool. It's in the middle of this song

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and his bandmates just continue to play.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: He stops singing. He's gesturing to this girl. She's hurt,

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she's getting crushed. He jumps like fifteen feet down from

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the stage, goes over pulls her out of the crowd

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and is like hugging her and like almost like a

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slow dance with her. She was there to see Wham,

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which I thought was kind of interesting. Right, she may

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not even know who these guys are. He pulls her

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out of the crowd, slow dances with her, and sort

474
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,680
of saves her. Years later, she comes out and says, listen,

475
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,400
if he hadn't have pulled me out, I'd have been

476
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,640
crushed to death. And that performance of that song, if

477
00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:55,640
you can watch it on YouTube, it'll blow you away.

478
00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:00,920
And that performance resonated with people, and they saw how

479
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,759
Bono connected with audiences, and a week later, all of

480
00:26:04,759 --> 00:26:06,799
their albums are in the charts.

481
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,759
Speaker 2: Even when they were doing small shows, he had this

482
00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:14,160
vision of breaking through the fourth wall. Like he never

483
00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:18,799
wanted to be a distant player from his audience. He

484
00:26:18,839 --> 00:26:21,759
wanted to end up in his audience's lap, which is

485
00:26:21,759 --> 00:26:24,960
why he was you know, he was stage diving back

486
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,160
in the early eighties and climbing the rafters and jumping

487
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,319
into the crowd because he wanted to develop a deeper,

488
00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:37,880
closer connection with the audience members. Right, So you're talking

489
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,240
about you know this girl who was there for Wham

490
00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:45,640
who he saves and slow dances with and consoles her

491
00:26:46,079 --> 00:26:50,839
through this process. You two did a Joshua Tree concert

492
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,279
three years ago. It was thirty years you know. Thirty

493
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:58,000
years later they redo the Joshua Tree tour, right right,

494
00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:59,519
she comes to the show.

495
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: That is how you know you've made an impact on

496
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:04,240
somebody's life.

497
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you talk about how that was a pivotal moment.

498
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:15,880
By eighty six, they are headlining the Amnesty International Conspiracy

499
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:21,160
of Hope Tour. They have been named by Rolling Stone

500
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,799
as the band of the eighties. I mean they've gone

501
00:27:23,839 --> 00:27:26,920
from up and coming to the band of the eighties.

502
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,559
And so in nineteen eighty six they headline this tour.

503
00:27:31,319 --> 00:27:34,839
The last show of the tour is at Giant Stadium,

504
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:39,640
and for that show, it's being broadcast live on MTV.

505
00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:43,920
And who should come in for a reunion after not

506
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,839
having played together for three years the band we talked

507
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:53,119
about as the band the Police come in and do

508
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,079
this is their last show of the eighties until they

509
00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,839
get together, I mean twenty something years later, their last

510
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,960
show for a long, long time flash show. As far

511
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,799
as anybody can tell, they do this reunion set. When

512
00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:11,640
they get done with their set, You Two comes on stage,

513
00:28:12,279 --> 00:28:17,200
they hand their instrument a passing of the torch to say,

514
00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:20,079
we were the band of the decade, and now you

515
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,440
are the band of the decade. That is an amazing story.

516
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:28,720
So that leads us to nineteen eighty seven and the

517
00:28:28,759 --> 00:28:36,559
release of Joshua Tree. Joshua Tree comes about because in

518
00:28:36,599 --> 00:28:42,160
their touring of The Unforgettable Fire, they tour America, right

519
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,119
and so they're on a tour bus moving through the

520
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:49,480
US and they see the parched desert as it comes

521
00:28:49,559 --> 00:28:52,839
up later on in the lyrics of the US, and

522
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:57,039
they have this idea of the mythical America. You know,

523
00:28:57,079 --> 00:29:01,880
there's the idealistic America that we maybe even don't appreciate

524
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,839
as much since we're from here. But it's this kind

525
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,559
of notion of land of the free, home of the brave,

526
00:29:10,079 --> 00:29:16,759
this genuine idealistic idea, and that is the inspiration for

527
00:29:16,839 --> 00:29:20,599
what will become the Joshua Tree. So that's why on

528
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:25,319
the cover of the album they have themselves standing in

529
00:29:25,359 --> 00:29:28,039
front of a large desert and why the album is

530
00:29:28,119 --> 00:29:33,440
named after Joshua Tree, which is a desert park in California.

531
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,279
Speaker 1: I'd love to go there sometime I think that's really.

532
00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 2: I've been there, have you. Yeah, I've climbed rocks and

533
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:42,240
Joshua Tree. It's it's it was a long, a long

534
00:29:42,319 --> 00:29:45,559
time ago, long more than half a life ago. But

535
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,680
is that when you sell movies for the first time,

536
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:54,680
not that long ago? No, no, yeah, it was. It

537
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,079
was more like first experiences with drugs as opposed to boobies.

538
00:29:58,119 --> 00:30:01,440
But yeah, I was nice and I went out there

539
00:30:01,599 --> 00:30:12,480
finding myself. Still haven't found what I'm looking for. So

540
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,440
they've got this idea of the mythic America and they

541
00:30:17,759 --> 00:30:22,079
start talking to guys. They start meeting with musicians who

542
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,200
have this rock and roll history. You know, I talked

543
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,279
before about how they have come from a post punk

544
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,960
or punk rock history, and that was kind of their sound.

545
00:30:31,119 --> 00:30:34,799
And with The Unforgettable Fire, they kind of moved in

546
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:40,200
this sort of experimental, ambient music type of thing. And

547
00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:46,519
once they started meeting with guys like Bob Dylan and

548
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,319
Keith Richards and some of these other guys, they realized

549
00:30:50,319 --> 00:30:55,160
that all of these guys had listened to traditional American music,

550
00:30:55,799 --> 00:30:58,599
and that they had been because of their punk history,

551
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,720
had been kind of apathy for any kind of tradition.

552
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:07,160
And so they start studying these old bands, and they

553
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,160
start to become interested in this folk tradition. They start

554
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,839
listening to blues, they start listening to country and honky talk.

555
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,960
They become huge fans of Johnny Cash, which you'll see them.

556
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,680
It's a pretty famous photograph of them for the Rattling

557
00:31:21,759 --> 00:31:24,400
Hum movie that came out, where they've got a picture

558
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:29,480
of Johnny Cash up. But they they start adopting this

559
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,119
kind of American traditional sound, but then also blending that

560
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:39,519
with the Irish music, that kind of the indigenous Irish music,

561
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:43,440
and so it gives them this I mean, they are

562
00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:46,359
they're already unique, they already have their own sound, but

563
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,680
it really gives them a framework to build upon. And

564
00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:55,200
the Edge was kind of against it initially, but he

565
00:31:55,359 --> 00:31:58,920
started listening to guys like Robert Johnson, who's an old

566
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:04,880
blues guy. He one of the main historical references in

567
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,519
Crossroads with Ralph Montiel Nice. Okay, I bought the I

568
00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:11,400
bought the Robert Johnson tape. After seeing that movie. I

569
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,519
was not as impressed as the Edge was. But you

570
00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:16,359
know that's probably because I was stupid. That's that's not

571
00:32:16,599 --> 00:32:20,079
any reflection on Robert Johnson. But he listens to Robert Johnson,

572
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,400
Howland Wolf, Hank Williams, Senior, Lefty Frizelle, all of these

573
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,440
guys that are getting played on public radio stations, and

574
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:32,000
he becomes inspired by this. And so these guys they're

575
00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:35,240
always against kind of whatever is popular at the time.

576
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,039
You know, Duran Durant is popular at the time, but

577
00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:43,359
they're doing stuff with synthesizers. They've got very modern clothes,

578
00:32:43,599 --> 00:32:46,359
and you Tube was trying to go the other direction

579
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:50,000
from that, which is why you've got almost no synthesizers

580
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:53,119
at all. I mean, it's it's really like a spice

581
00:32:53,319 --> 00:32:56,279
in their songs as opposed to a major facet like

582
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:01,240
Duran Durant or like Prince in Side of the Time times. Right. Sure,

583
00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:06,880
So they start their recording, they were they did almost

584
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,799
all of their recording in two different houses. They thought,

585
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,839
we want to feel like we're a family, like we're

586
00:33:13,839 --> 00:33:17,240
living together, and so they decided to go to a house,

587
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,680
huh to record their music, and they you know, they

588
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,039
set up the drums in the dining room and then

589
00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:24,960
I don't think they even called it the sound room.

590
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:27,480
They just had a different name for everything, was the

591
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:29,519
living room. But it was really created.

592
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,319
Speaker 1: Room was called the Lyrics Room.

593
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 2: Yes, there you go, thank you.

594
00:33:33,079 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: They called it the Milbeach House and the Danesmote House

595
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,519
danes Mote yep. But they rented it from this guy,

596
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,799
and I mean it's just kind of out in the

597
00:33:41,839 --> 00:33:43,119
middle of nowhere and they're like.

598
00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: Hey, we're a rock band.

599
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: We want to rent your house.

600
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, go for it. Thank you, come again. Bono

601
00:33:55,319 --> 00:33:59,119
is changing the way that he's writing music now. He said,

602
00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:01,640
I used to think I think that writing words was

603
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:06,200
old fashioned. So I sketched, I wrote words on the

604
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,000
microphone for the Joshua Tree. I felt the time had

605
00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:14,280
come to write words that meant something out of my experience.

606
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,239
And I have to think that his meeting with Bob

607
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,480
Dylan and some of those other guys that we talked

608
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,280
about before it had to have had a huge impact

609
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:29,400
on that. He describes his talk with Bob Dylan in

610
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,000
a biblical way. He refers to it as almost a

611
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:36,400
bestowing of a blessing, sort of like the laying on

612
00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:40,079
of hands like Abraham did to Isaac. When he met

613
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:44,639
with Bob Dylan, it was like so moving to meet

614
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:48,239
with someone who he had idolized and then adopt and

615
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,440
learn from his techniques.

616
00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:57,079
Speaker 1: Bob Dylan sort of another spiritual Christian rock star, sort

617
00:34:57,079 --> 00:34:59,960
of a brother in that same spiritual area.

618
00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:07,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so before we move into the album,

619
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,920
one quick story to kind of be the flip side

620
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,000
of that whole Christian thing. So in these houses, in

621
00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:18,199
these houses that they were living in, they had wild

622
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:24,400
magic mushrooms growing out in like the field. And the

623
00:35:24,519 --> 00:35:27,360
Edge said that one night he goes to this party

624
00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:30,920
at the place that Adam is staying at, and these

625
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,199
guys at the party offer him some magic mushrooms and

626
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:41,119
he's like, well, I've never really done that before, but okay,

627
00:35:41,159 --> 00:35:43,480
it'll be kind of like a you know, a mind

628
00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:46,280
expansion experiment. Let's give it a shot, you know, right,

629
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,719
So he takes a dose of magic mushrooms and then,

630
00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:54,039
you know, after forty minutes, he doesn't feel anything. So

631
00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:59,000
he does the rule one wrong thing to do. He

632
00:35:59,039 --> 00:36:02,239
doesn't wait, he takes more. He doubles down on the

633
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,280
magic streussrooms, and then when he doesn't feel something immediately

634
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,480
he triples down. He triples down on the magic mushrooms,

635
00:36:08,639 --> 00:36:11,679
and he said, and then I broke Rule number two

636
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,000
which is, don't be in the dark. I went home

637
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,519
and I went to bed, and then all of a sudden,

638
00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:19,199
I'm laying in bed in pitch black, but I'm watching

639
00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:24,280
a fireworks show that isn't actually happening. And he says,

640
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,519
after quite some time of doing this, I start to

641
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,599
ask the big questions of life, you know, asking what

642
00:36:31,639 --> 00:36:35,320
the you know, the secrets, the deep secrets of life are,

643
00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:39,880
and he says, and I figured it out. I figured

644
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,719
out what the secrets of the universe were. And I

645
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,880
thought to myself, oh my gosh, I'm not going to

646
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,599
remember this in the morning. I've got to I've got

647
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,360
I've got to get these down on tape. And so

648
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,760
he goes to get his tape recorder, which is across

649
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,840
the room, and it only takes him about twenty five

650
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:03,079
minutes to crawl there, and he gets it back to

651
00:37:03,159 --> 00:37:05,760
his bed and he turns it on, and he says,

652
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,320
and then I was captivated by that little red light

653
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:13,840
for about another twenty five minutes. And so then I

654
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,320
start describing all of the secrets of the universe, and

655
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,960
then you know, I wake up the next morning. It's

656
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,719
not until probably eight at night the next day that

657
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,000
I went, oh, wait a minute, I recorded all the

658
00:37:26,039 --> 00:37:29,639
secrets to the universe, and he says, So I go back,

659
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,400
and you know, the tape has it still has record down,

660
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,159
So the batteries are completely dead. I go find replacement batteries.

661
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,559
I put those in, I push play, and all I

662
00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:50,559
can hear is and so like whatever it was he

663
00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:54,519
had said, he talked into the battery and of the

664
00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:58,440
recorder instead of the microphone. So all the secrets of

665
00:37:58,440 --> 00:37:59,360
the universe were lost.

666
00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: Oh tragic, tragic. If only we could have had those recordings,

667
00:38:05,559 --> 00:38:09,400
how much further ahead would be in society.

668
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 2: All right, with that, I say we jump into the album.

669
00:38:12,519 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 1: Let's jump into the.

670
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: Album next week. It's a cliffinger. Sorry to be continued.

671
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,760
Let's talk about next week real quick. Yeah, next week,

672
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,360
tune in and we will have the full track by

673
00:38:26,519 --> 00:38:31,679
track analysis of Joshua Tree, followed by our final judgment.

674
00:38:32,159 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: We'll see you next time.

675
00:38:33,159 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 2: All right, good night,