WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:28.879 At a book. 2 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:28.959 If you'd like to be able to listen to the 3 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:31.959 show without ads and have full access to bonus content, 4 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:35.599 that's an option. To find out how, please go to 5 00:01:35.680 --> 00:01:42.840 Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is Nathan. 6 00:01:43.359 --> 00:01:47.400 Nathan Welcome to the show. Hi, Vic, good evening, Thank 7 00:01:47.439 --> 00:01:50.680 you well, thanks so much for being here. We appreciate 8 00:01:50.719 --> 00:01:54.040 your time. Nathan, please give us a brief. 9 00:01:53.760 --> 00:01:58.719 Bio on yourself. Sure, so, Yeah, my name is Nathan. 10 00:01:58.959 --> 00:02:01.799 I'm fifty five five years of age. I live in 11 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:07.079 the UK and in the area of North Wales. So 12 00:02:08.479 --> 00:02:11.560 I'm coming on tonight because a friend of mine called 13 00:02:11.560 --> 00:02:16.039 Athena came on the other week and we've been talking 14 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:21.000 about this because I introduced her to Vic's show and 15 00:02:21.080 --> 00:02:25.159 I've been a follower of the show since around twenty sixteen, 16 00:02:25.199 --> 00:02:28.520 which was part of a coming to speak to everyone 17 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:31.719 tonight and talk about my life and my experiences is 18 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:35.520 part of a recent kind of twenty five year journey 19 00:02:36.639 --> 00:02:39.719 from an experience I had in the US in two 20 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:41.520 thousand and one. 21 00:02:41.719 --> 00:02:44.319 You're starting to make me feel awe talking about listening 22 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:50.879 to me since twenty sixteen. That's a while ago. You 23 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:53.479 just mentioned that first encounter that you had twenty five 24 00:02:53.599 --> 00:02:57.120 years ago. Before you had that experience, did you take 25 00:02:57.120 --> 00:03:02.400 the whole cryptid phenomenon seriously or is a punche Well. 26 00:03:03.280 --> 00:03:09.000 Growing up in the seventies, I was introduced to Arthur C. 27 00:03:09.199 --> 00:03:11.759 Clark's Mysterious World. I'm sure there's a lot of people 28 00:03:11.840 --> 00:03:16.400 out there that might remember that. So I saw the 29 00:03:16.439 --> 00:03:19.159 Patterson Gimlin film when I was quite young. But also 30 00:03:19.199 --> 00:03:21.800 I had the books on everything, so I was always 31 00:03:21.800 --> 00:03:28.159 interested in mythology. And then as we get into this episode, 32 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:31.400 you'll understand what happened to me along my life and 33 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:37.879 how all of this seems to weave into my experience 34 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:40.840 and the path that my life kind of took. Whether 35 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:46.520 I liked that or not, it's very much interwoven. And 36 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:50.960 that's why I wanted to come forward and speak, and 37 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:54.840 I did wish to come forward sooner, but because of 38 00:03:54.960 --> 00:04:00.360 certain positions I held in life professionally and personally, I 39 00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:03.759 had to be very careful and consider it about my 40 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:08.960 personal experiences or spiritual experiences, which a lot of people 41 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:14.199 consider to be quite woo or quite far out, and 42 00:04:14.240 --> 00:04:17.120 that would have possibly compromised some of the things that 43 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:20.240 I was doing at sort of local and national level. 44 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:25.279 So I have also reached out to other podcasts, quite 45 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:29.360 well renowned ones, but I got replies but never a 46 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:31.920 follow up VIC. So it's kind of serendipity that it's 47 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:36.680 come round to speaking to you, because you're the person 48 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:38.639 that I've really kind of followed the longest, So it's 49 00:04:38.680 --> 00:04:42.000 really nice to finally connect with you and be part 50 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:45.240 of the history of dog Man Encounters Radio. 51 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:49.439 Well, thanks again for reaching out. I'm glad you did, 52 00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:53.040 and thanks too for sending a fena. I really appreciate 53 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:55.319 you doing that as well, although from what I hear, 54 00:04:55.959 --> 00:04:58.000 you were kind of disappointed that you weren't able to 55 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:00.120 come on last week's show with her. 56 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:03.360 Oh yeah, she's so cheeky. We were in a friend's 57 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:06.399 kitchen just discussing it, and I said, oh, you know, 58 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:08.079 we should go on together because we were a great 59 00:05:08.319 --> 00:05:11.480 double at her and I and it's one of the 60 00:05:11.480 --> 00:05:14.160 great things about our friendship that we really bounce off 61 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:16.879 each other with the crazy sense of humor, but we've 62 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:22.319 also explored, you know, enough spiritual parts of ourselves with 63 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:26.120 common experience that it's one of the reasons that we 64 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:30.720 sort of connect so well. So when I was lying 65 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:34.600 in bed in the early hours of the Saturday morning 66 00:05:34.639 --> 00:05:38.759 and put the podcast on, and I kind of fluffed 67 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:41.519 the first part of the intro, didn't catch her name, 68 00:05:41.560 --> 00:05:44.839 and then she said, oh, I'm fifty I'm from North Wales. 69 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:49.160 I thought, oh, wow, for somebody from North Wales. And 70 00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:52.040 then I realized who it was and I was like that, 71 00:05:52.160 --> 00:05:56.639 you cheeky cow. I was like, right, that does it. 72 00:05:56.839 --> 00:05:59.360 That does it. You've thrown down the gauntlet I'm getting 73 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:03.040 in touch with. So yeah, as soon as it was daylight, 74 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:08.839 I sent her a text and expressing my surprise and yeah, 75 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:12.360 so she very kindly said, oh, I'll reach out of 76 00:06:12.439 --> 00:06:19.279 it for you like that. Yeah. Yeah, So it was 77 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:22.560 It was funny, but you know, it's nice to finally 78 00:06:22.600 --> 00:06:27.160 sort of come on and talk about the kind of yeah, 79 00:06:27.199 --> 00:06:30.360 this side of my of my life's experience, which is definitely, 80 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:37.199 you know, the more kind of strange but interesting side 81 00:06:37.199 --> 00:06:40.720 of it. And I hope that it just gives some 82 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:45.959 of the listeners insights and comparisons to a lot of 83 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:49.680 their experiences, both with dog men and with with susquatch, 84 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:53.519 and compared to some of the things I've experienced in 85 00:06:53.560 --> 00:06:57.360 the UK, and obviously I'm someone that's had experiences in 86 00:06:57.399 --> 00:07:00.439 the UK, and then obviously I had that experien it's 87 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:05.959 in the US in two thousand and one. So yeah, 88 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:08.240 I think there's a commonality in the phenomenon, and I 89 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:12.279 hope that's what I can convey as a conclusion for people. 90 00:07:12.319 --> 00:07:14.319 In my mind anyway, and my experience. 91 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:17.959 That's the thing about you. You're not going to just 92 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:20.879 talk about the dog man encounters that you've had. It 93 00:07:20.959 --> 00:07:23.639 seems to me like you're a magnet for scary things 94 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:26.439 for some reason. Scary things are just drawn to you. 95 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:30.639 Yeah, And ever since I worked out that dog men 96 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:34.240 are actually in the UK, I've said to you, have 97 00:07:34.360 --> 00:07:37.040 been a lot more careful about going out in the 98 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:40.040 woods and up the hills and mountains at night by myself, 99 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:43.240 which I used to love to do. But it made 100 00:07:43.240 --> 00:07:49.000 me very wary or just more considerate of what's around. 101 00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:54.959 Not that I've ever felt really in danger, but it's 102 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:57.959 just an acknowledgment of because I've listened to so many 103 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:01.120 episodes and found out that lot of places that I've 104 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:06.439 been people in the UK have had sightings and experiences 105 00:08:06.920 --> 00:08:11.199 with these creatures. So it made me just sit up 106 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:12.720 and take notice. Shall we say? 107 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:16.600 Well, unfortunately, Nathan, I've got some bad news for you. 108 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:20.240 Anytime I bring a guest on from overseas, most notably 109 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:24.040 via UK, I get a lot of messages from people 110 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:26.439 who live over there to let me know that it's 111 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:29.439 all nonsense because there are no cryptids in the UK. 112 00:08:29.639 --> 00:08:32.120 It's too small, there's no place for them to live. 113 00:08:32.240 --> 00:08:36.600 So unfortunately, you didn't have any experiences that you've come 114 00:08:36.639 --> 00:08:37.879 on to tell us about tonight. 115 00:08:38.720 --> 00:08:41.559 Well, apparently not. And this has been something which I've 116 00:08:42.440 --> 00:08:44.639 I've been involved in in the kind of on my 117 00:08:44.720 --> 00:08:49.039 own spiritual journey for a long long time, since probably 118 00:08:49.039 --> 00:08:51.480 the age of nineteen and so I've got involved in 119 00:08:51.519 --> 00:08:56.080 the UFO field, and I've worked as a therapist. I 120 00:08:56.120 --> 00:08:59.600 still am a therapist. I'm a trained hit of therapist. 121 00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:03.559 But also I've worked and trained with people in the US, 122 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:07.639 so I've had some really fantastic experiences. But one thing 123 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:14.039 I've always been really really firm about is the fact 124 00:09:14.039 --> 00:09:18.879 that you cannot tell someone else they haven't experienced that 125 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:22.480 thing because it's their experience. I mean, it's so arrogant 126 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:24.679 to assume that you can say, well, I don't have 127 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:28.320 that experience, therefore you can't have had it. And I 128 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:30.200 think that that for me, because I've worked with so 129 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:35.080 many people on so many different topics over the years, 130 00:09:36.720 --> 00:09:44.120 that for me, I now suspend all judgment or try 131 00:09:44.159 --> 00:09:47.559 to because we simply don't know. And I think that's 132 00:09:47.799 --> 00:09:51.039 as well in other aspects. In my reason for coming 133 00:09:51.120 --> 00:09:56.840 forward is we don't really understand. I feel we don't 134 00:09:56.840 --> 00:09:59.480 really understand the world that we live in. We live 135 00:09:59.519 --> 00:10:05.000 in a very narrow band of perception. There is much 136 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:06.919 more going on around us, and I believe that what 137 00:10:06.960 --> 00:10:10.679 we're seeing with a lot of these phenomenas, should we say, 138 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:14.639 is trying to show us that that's exactly the way 139 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:20.320 things are. We don't have all the answers, and that's 140 00:10:20.360 --> 00:10:24.120 why I think people have encounters. Because people have had 141 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:26.639 encounters from the most self aware people to people that 142 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:30.399 are very down to earth and grounded, and that doesn't 143 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:33.759 this seem to be any rhyme or reason why those 144 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:36.039 encounters have happened to people. And in many cases you 145 00:10:36.080 --> 00:10:40.639 listen to the emotion in those people's voices when they're 146 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:44.519 trying to convey what's gone on for them in a 147 00:10:44.679 --> 00:10:50.360 really traumatic experience that changed the course of their life forever. 148 00:10:51.759 --> 00:10:53.799 So I think we just need to be more compassionate 149 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:56.960 and just say, you know what. We might have ideas, 150 00:10:57.720 --> 00:11:01.080 we might have opinions, but there's not one of us 151 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:03.799 that's really an expert. And so I don't claim to 152 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:08.360 be any kind of expert. I am an experiencer, I 153 00:11:08.399 --> 00:11:12.480 am a therapist. I've had my own journey in the 154 00:11:12.600 --> 00:11:15.440 kind of wu but I've also had a very grounded 155 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:19.120 life and had an interesting journey in that path. And 156 00:11:19.159 --> 00:11:23.080 I don't think the modern material world is actually a 157 00:11:23.159 --> 00:11:29.559 very easy or safe place to navigate in general without 158 00:11:29.919 --> 00:11:36.759 piling on these you know, strange experiences that take us unawares. 159 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:40.559 I'm probably somebody that's been more prepared for those experiences 160 00:11:40.639 --> 00:11:44.600 because of my early life and my childhood and the 161 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:48.080 path that my life took, which I think when I 162 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:51.399 get into that people will understand that, you know, there's 163 00:11:51.399 --> 00:11:56.120 been a lot of neglect in my childhood, a lot 164 00:11:56.159 --> 00:12:01.080 of abuse, but also that of pushed me into my 165 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:06.399 spiritual life. And so I'm someone that's kind of walked 166 00:12:06.399 --> 00:12:09.639 a path where I've just tried to have a normal life, 167 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:12.360 be happy, get on like everyone else, you know, have 168 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:16.000 all the things and be a good person. It hasn't 169 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:19.759 always worked out that way. And as I've got older, 170 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:24.559 the challenges of my own mental health became far sharper 171 00:12:25.039 --> 00:12:29.120 to me. And for years I've been really resilient, and 172 00:12:29.200 --> 00:12:32.120 I think sometimes life just throws you a curveball and 173 00:12:32.120 --> 00:12:35.200 you hit that wall and you have to face up 174 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:38.960 to what happened to you. So I'm not somebody that 175 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:41.679 sits here and says, oh, you know, it's all about 176 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:45.759 having a wonderful life. It's been very difficult, it's been 177 00:12:45.879 --> 00:12:51.159 very traumatic. I ended up being diagnosed with complex PTSD 178 00:12:51.320 --> 00:12:57.000 in about twenty eighteen. It took me four years to 179 00:12:57.080 --> 00:13:00.120 get that diagnosis, and I knew what was wrong with me. 180 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:04.000 So it's quite a challenge, particularly as a man, you know, 181 00:13:04.080 --> 00:13:08.360 to get any help about your mental health, which is 182 00:13:08.399 --> 00:13:12.960 something that I've been working on and supporting other people 183 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:16.600 and you know, creating projects which really supported men's mental 184 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:20.519 health and tackled the sort of terrible problems of male 185 00:13:20.600 --> 00:13:24.039 suicide that we have in every first world nation, but 186 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:28.200 particularly in the UK. So yeah, it's been a real journey. 187 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:32.879 And so if you can get an idea of who 188 00:13:32.879 --> 00:13:34.679 I am as a person, it's like I feel like 189 00:13:34.720 --> 00:13:38.240 I've got a foot in both worlds, if you like, 190 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:42.679 I can take on board the kind of more spiritual 191 00:13:42.679 --> 00:13:47.159 and supernatural experiences, but I also have been a very 192 00:13:47.159 --> 00:13:50.559 grounded and I'm a very grounded and practical person. I 193 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:54.559 think that's probably what's allowed me to integrate those sides 194 00:13:54.600 --> 00:13:58.080 of myself, because I've always managed to keep it real, 195 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:02.279 and when it's got too weird, I have just kind of, 196 00:14:02.639 --> 00:14:05.759 you know, walked away, put the whole thing down for 197 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:09.679 a while, you know, can't out down something. It's like, yeah, 198 00:14:09.679 --> 00:14:11.480 I'm just going to go for a pint down the pub. 199 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:13.559 I'm just going to go for a walk and forget 200 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:18.240 about that. Just do something practical, because sometimes the mysterious 201 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:20.840 side of things can get so weird. It gets so 202 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:26.159 weird and so intangible that you drive yourself mad. It's like, 203 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:27.399 you know, you know, like they say, oh, you know, 204 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:30.480 you don't get the answer, doesn't become more clear, you 205 00:14:30.519 --> 00:14:32.639 just end up with more questions. So I think that's 206 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:36.240 what a lot of people are finding in, particularly in 207 00:14:36.279 --> 00:14:39.279 this field. There's people that think they have a definitive answer, 208 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:43.799 but then something else happens and you know, no, that 209 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:46.279 wasn't the definitive answer. It's like it opens up a 210 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:51.000 whole other world of questions. So for me, I think 211 00:14:51.039 --> 00:14:52.840 some of the things I want to share tonight are 212 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:56.919 because there's things which I having listened to so many 213 00:14:56.960 --> 00:15:00.960 people's experiences that now for me it's like there's a 214 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:05.840 connecting thread in between some of my experiences might help 215 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:08.200 to fill those gaps with people. And if that's what 216 00:15:08.279 --> 00:15:11.840 I can do and it helps someone to integrate their 217 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:16.159 experience or puts it into perspective for them, then job Dunvic. 218 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:16.960 That's why I'm here. 219 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:21.440 I think it's awfully impressive that even though you're dealing 220 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:25.399 with the PTSD, you're dealing with due to your traumatic experiences, 221 00:15:25.440 --> 00:15:27.799 the fact that you still focus on helping other people 222 00:15:27.799 --> 00:15:31.200 who have been traumatized by their experiences come to terms 223 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:33.559 with theirs. I think this say is everything about your 224 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:38.080 altruistic character. I think it really does. But having said that, 225 00:15:38.440 --> 00:15:41.039 you've got a lot to unpack for us. Please tell 226 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:43.519 us about your encounters now, give us a real last 227 00:15:43.519 --> 00:15:44.759 detail that comes to mind. 228 00:15:45.879 --> 00:15:50.600 Yeah, so what really kicked off this journey has brought 229 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:53.879 me here to speak to you and to the listeners tonight. 230 00:15:54.759 --> 00:15:58.600 Something happened in two thousand and one in a place 231 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:05.120 called Mountain Ranch. And this is what really as it 232 00:16:05.159 --> 00:16:09.879 was coming round to the twentieth anniversary, I guess of 233 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:14.519 that experience, trying to work out what exactly I had 234 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:23.799 encountered became a valuable little journey of investigation, which led 235 00:16:23.799 --> 00:16:28.759 me to listen to dogman Encounters because the thing that 236 00:16:28.840 --> 00:16:31.240 I encountered, I wasn't sure whether it was a sasquatch, 237 00:16:31.279 --> 00:16:33.440 but the impression that I got was that this thing 238 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:37.720 was canine. And at the time, and I'll get into 239 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:42.000 more detail in it shortly, but at the time I 240 00:16:42.039 --> 00:16:44.720 couldn't understand what on earth I was picking up. Now 241 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:46.960 I'll say picking up. What am I talking about? Well, 242 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:52.559 I'm quite a sensitive I've got really good spider senses, 243 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:58.120 if you like that. More than often not do turn 244 00:16:58.200 --> 00:17:03.159 out to be very very accurate. They don't always save 245 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:05.240 me from everything in life, but I always get some 246 00:17:05.359 --> 00:17:10.680 kind of intuition or feeling about things. So yeah, it 247 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:17.920 was a person, a kind of spiritual teacher, a man 248 00:17:17.960 --> 00:17:20.799 called Kem Paige, who I've been working with since nineteen 249 00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:26.079 ninety five. I began really that part of my spiritual journey. 250 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:29.799 I'd worked with different spiritual teachers, but really because I'd 251 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:33.160 had my own spiritual awakening, and everyone that I went 252 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:39.000 on courses with just began to really sharpen and hone 253 00:17:39.680 --> 00:17:45.160 those experiences and those gifts and abilities. And so I 254 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:48.119 went at the age of twenty four, just before my 255 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:53.000 twenty fifth birthday, and because of my childhood, the trauma 256 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:55.599 of my kind of upbringing, and the way that he 257 00:17:55.640 --> 00:18:00.839 had left me, feeling I never I was going to 258 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:03.480 live past the age of twenty five. I had a 259 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:06.279 really strong feeling that I was going to die before 260 00:18:06.279 --> 00:18:09.559 I was twenty five because my life had been pretty 261 00:18:09.640 --> 00:18:12.480 rough and it just seemed that that got into my head. 262 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:17.799 So I went on this course in Austin, Texas, and 263 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:19.640 at that time, as usual, I was usually one of 264 00:18:19.640 --> 00:18:21.200 the youngest people there because I was only in my 265 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:27.319 early twenties. And working with Ken was fantastic because we 266 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:31.799 had a really, really great connection and he taught me 267 00:18:31.839 --> 00:18:34.759 about being an EmPATH. Now, I know there's a lot 268 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:36.799 of people that say, oh, yeah, I'm an EmPATH, I'm 269 00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:40.400 an EmPATH, they're an EmPATH. Well, for me, it's not 270 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:44.559 a label, it's something which I am a living, breathing example, 271 00:18:44.599 --> 00:18:48.680 of as I've grown older. It was something which really 272 00:18:48.720 --> 00:18:51.960 really troubled me in younger life. But when I worked 273 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:55.960 with Ken out there in the US in ninety five, 274 00:18:56.319 --> 00:19:01.559 it began to show me just how powerful that gift 275 00:19:01.599 --> 00:19:05.359 can be. Not only that, but it enabled me to 276 00:19:05.599 --> 00:19:08.839 differentiate with it and to be able to shut it 277 00:19:08.920 --> 00:19:12.599 down and switch it on to the point where now 278 00:19:12.599 --> 00:19:15.519 I can go into a crowded environment, although I find 279 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:20.599 them still a little bit overwhelming, but I can shut 280 00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:27.799 that noise out otherwise it'll be overwhelming and really really 281 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:34.000 difficult to handle. When I'm in a therapeutic setting, or 282 00:19:34.039 --> 00:19:36.519 I can focus on a single person to connect with, 283 00:19:38.839 --> 00:19:42.200 then I can pick up certain impressions or feelings or 284 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:46.759 insights over thousands of miles. And there's people that I've 285 00:19:46.759 --> 00:19:49.240 gone on to recently in the last couple of years, 286 00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:54.880 I've gone into spaces on X on Twitter, We've been 287 00:19:54.920 --> 00:19:58.720 in some really great kind of encounter groups, experience the groups, 288 00:19:58.720 --> 00:20:02.400 and I've tuned into people over thousands of miles away 289 00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:05.519 and picked up exactly what's been going on with them 290 00:20:05.640 --> 00:20:10.640 on some level, be that physical, emotional, mental, or even 291 00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:13.400 sort of subconsciously, you know, an energy pattern around them. 292 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:20.039 So that gift is something which I've used. I've used 293 00:20:20.039 --> 00:20:23.279 it therapeutically for years, but I've never really settled down 294 00:20:23.319 --> 00:20:25.079 and gone, this is the one thing that I do. 295 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:28.599 There are people out there, some people call them medical intuitives. 296 00:20:28.640 --> 00:20:32.279 There's quite a few well renowned people that do exactly 297 00:20:32.319 --> 00:20:35.880 the sort of thing that I can do. So I 298 00:20:35.960 --> 00:20:39.359 kind of have often shelved that side of myself in 299 00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:41.039 life and just got on with what I needed to 300 00:20:41.039 --> 00:20:43.720 do what was in front of me, working jobs, keeping 301 00:20:43.720 --> 00:20:50.440 a house, you know, living a life. So yeah, what 302 00:20:50.519 --> 00:20:54.839 led me then was from nineteen ninety five life moved 303 00:20:54.880 --> 00:20:57.960 on and I bought a house, settled into a job, 304 00:20:58.200 --> 00:21:05.160 regular job, and then the advert came round from Ken 305 00:21:05.200 --> 00:21:10.240 that we were going to have a teacher training running 306 00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:14.640 in his new home in Mountain Ranch in California in 307 00:21:14.720 --> 00:21:18.240 April of two thousand and one. So I bought my 308 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:21.839 house in the kind of August of that year, renovated it, 309 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:27.000 moved into it in December, got my first credit card. 310 00:21:27.039 --> 00:21:28.759 So when the when the when the news came around 311 00:21:28.799 --> 00:21:31.119 that Ken was running his teacher training, and I was like, 312 00:21:31.359 --> 00:21:33.599 I've got a credit card, I'm booking a flight. I'm 313 00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:39.039 going because I felt like that the people that do 314 00:21:39.839 --> 00:21:44.240 the work, and I felt that I was more like 315 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:50.319 part of the work. I would yeah, struggle to probably 316 00:21:50.319 --> 00:21:55.000 define what I mean by that, but for me, it 317 00:21:55.119 --> 00:21:59.880 was something which literally was part of my DNA. So 318 00:22:01.240 --> 00:22:05.079 it's a very advanced hypno therapeutic technique. So it involves 319 00:22:05.119 --> 00:22:12.480 exploring things like your deep subconscious mind, energy patterns, neural pathways. 320 00:22:12.519 --> 00:22:15.519 It can be path lives, parallel lives, we can use it, 321 00:22:15.640 --> 00:22:21.759 suity text illnesses and what their route causes. And it's 322 00:22:21.799 --> 00:22:24.799 a very very I mean, it's almost like wow, talk 323 00:22:24.839 --> 00:22:27.519 about a reality change, a game changer in terms of 324 00:22:28.039 --> 00:22:29.920 and I still don't think it has much of a 325 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:37.759 parallel even to this day in terms of the power 326 00:22:37.839 --> 00:22:41.880 of that therapeutic medium. And it was called multi dimensional 327 00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:46.599 cellular healing, so it was about working with the cellular 328 00:22:46.680 --> 00:22:50.240 intelligence of your whole body, which is connected to your 329 00:22:50.240 --> 00:22:54.559 subconscious mind, which is part of our deeper consciousness. And 330 00:22:54.640 --> 00:23:00.519 so that's a really kind of really woo area, if 331 00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:03.200 you like. But it's fascinating when you tap into it 332 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:05.279 and see the power of the subconscious mind or what 333 00:23:05.359 --> 00:23:11.359 it can do. So what went on was, yep, it 334 00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:14.240 was two thousand and one, the teacher training was advertised, 335 00:23:14.279 --> 00:23:18.640 so I jumped on a plane and got out to 336 00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:24.680 Mountain Ranch, California. Had a great time on the April training. 337 00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:30.240 Metal load of people, great people. Where they are. Their 338 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:33.079 property that they had at the time was right out 339 00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:35.799 in the mountains. It was in the middle of a forest, 340 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:40.160 built up on the side of a hill. About four 341 00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:43.000 hours I think it's about four hours inland from San Francisco, 342 00:23:43.160 --> 00:23:45.440 so you know, it's a journey to get there, but 343 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:50.559 a beautiful, beautiful area old gold Rush country, as I recall. 344 00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:57.119 So the and I've met some really fantastic people, but 345 00:23:57.200 --> 00:24:01.559 I'm still friends with to this day, and a few 346 00:24:01.559 --> 00:24:04.319 of us that really connected. We would go outside and 347 00:24:04.880 --> 00:24:07.519 hang out, you know, at night talking. We made a 348 00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:09.240 little there was a little dell next to the house. 349 00:24:09.279 --> 00:24:11.279 We built a little fire pit there and so we'd 350 00:24:11.319 --> 00:24:16.559 sit around and you know, stories, talk about life, explore 351 00:24:16.599 --> 00:24:20.640 the kind of mysteries. We also just enjoying the ambience 352 00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:23.799 of being in that beautiful area with nothing and nobody 353 00:24:23.880 --> 00:24:30.839 really around. So after that training, I had some really 354 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:35.759 really powerful experiences there and then came home, gone on 355 00:24:35.799 --> 00:24:41.599 with my everyday life, and then obviously the world had 356 00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:47.480 the very very sad and traumatic experience of nine to 357 00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:52.079 eleven in the September, and one of the people that 358 00:24:52.119 --> 00:24:55.279 i'd met on the course was a girl called April, 359 00:24:55.400 --> 00:24:58.680 who was about twenty one at the time. We became 360 00:24:58.720 --> 00:25:00.680 really good friends, and she came out to visit me 361 00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:06.119 and my partner in the UK. I put her on 362 00:25:06.200 --> 00:25:10.440 a plane on that morning, went back to my job. 363 00:25:12.200 --> 00:25:15.079 She was flying into or meant to fly into Philadelphia, 364 00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:18.759 I think, And I got a phone call from my 365 00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:22.359 girlfriend at the time saying, nath have you heard from April? 366 00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:25.880 And I'm sat at a desk in a job center 367 00:25:25.880 --> 00:25:28.880 and I said, well, no, why, she's still in the air. 368 00:25:28.960 --> 00:25:31.160 So I'm considered put her on a plane this morning. 369 00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:35.960 She said, oh, someone's attacked the twin towers. They've flown 370 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:38.279 a plane and flat planes have hit the twin towers 371 00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:45.039 in New York. So I didn't know what to do 372 00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:48.160 because I'm sat there, you know, I've got a schedule 373 00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:51.160 of clients to see that day. But on my lunch 374 00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:55.160 hour I went out in the car and just drove 375 00:25:55.359 --> 00:25:57.079 where I was at the time. I could drive to 376 00:25:56.799 --> 00:26:03.799 the estuary of the sea and very very strange sort 377 00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:07.720 of experience. It took me obviously. I went home that 378 00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:10.839 night watched all the footage on the TV, all of 379 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:15.400 the people dying and building swalling and all that chaos, 380 00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:19.960 and I had no idea whether my friend was alive 381 00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:23.440 or dead, and it really brought it home to me. 382 00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:29.160 But then I finally heard from her, probably about five 383 00:26:29.240 --> 00:26:31.640 days later, and she had actually been diverted out of 384 00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:35.160 the air to somewhere in Canada. She ended up, i 385 00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:37.680 think in the end, saying with these Canadian families for 386 00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:41.319 about two weeks before she could get home back to Philly. 387 00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:47.319 So yeah. Then Ken put the word round that he 388 00:26:47.359 --> 00:26:50.839 was running another training in November of two thousand and one, 389 00:26:51.079 --> 00:26:54.160 and so I said, okay, great, I'm going to come 390 00:26:54.160 --> 00:26:56.880 out again, support the training, meet new people. I'm one 391 00:26:56.960 --> 00:26:59.400 of the trainers now, so I'm going to be kind 392 00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:04.880 of participating but also on staff. And the modality would 393 00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:08.119 then he changed the name to Heart and Soul Healing. 394 00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:14.599 So obviously that trip to back to the US was 395 00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:17.240 very very different, because in the wake of nine to eleven, 396 00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:19.440 the US became a very very different place. I think 397 00:27:19.480 --> 00:27:23.359 the nation he were still very much hurting from it all. 398 00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:28.680 The shock, the trauma, and so you know, everyone was 399 00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:32.119 far more on edge. There was a lot more people 400 00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:35.279 around with weapons and obviously everyone flying the flag. So 401 00:27:35.559 --> 00:27:41.319