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I hope you guys are enjoying your summer. It's getting

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hot here in southern California, and from what I understand,

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it's getting hot in other places of the country as well.

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As a matter of fact, we've been getting a lot

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of news stories about pets and cards. Interestingly, Tennessee just

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passed a law that if you are walking around driving

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and you see a dog in a park car, you

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can actually break into that car. So of course I'm

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not recommending you take that brick yet and going through

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a window. Obviously that could be dangerous for the pet

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inside as well. But do know, follow the normal course.

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If it's in front of a store front or a

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seven to eleven or some sort of you know, quick shop,

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you want to open the door and scream, did everybody

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have this dog in this car, anybody on in this car.

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If you walk into a building and there's a front desk,

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ask anybody to be paged, a supermarket to be paged

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if in fact they have a dog in the car.

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But the key really is that you want to do

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what you can to get that dog out legally, legitimately safely. However,

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if you can't find the owner and it's warm in there,

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and you have any doubt, and you are in the

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state of Tennessee, go ahead and do what you can

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to break through that car. You are allowed and you

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are protected by law. And I think that's pretty cool,

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and I think other states that follow as well, because

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you know, it's dangerous, it really is. And I have

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treated dogs that have been stuck in par cars. I

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have treated dogs with heatstroke and it's not pretty and

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it's very sad because many of them don't make it.

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So I think Tennessee had a lot of courage to

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do so, and I think it's a great idea. So

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you know, another thing that you know came to my

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mind is that we have a big problem with cars overheating.

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Not just heaven forbid, an animal or child left in

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a car or even driving in a car, you gotta

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put the windows down, you gotta be air conditioning going,

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and a lot of cars overheat this time of year

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and will winter problem that where cars can freeze over

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But it also helps prevent cars from overheating, and that's

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anti freeze. Anti freeze is very commonly used all year long.

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It's as it said, during the cold, it's to help

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prevent cars from freezing. During the summer, it helps from

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cars overheating and at least many of them contain an

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active ingredient called ethylene glycoll and ethyne gl call typically

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has a very sweet taste, so when it's dripping from

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a carb rare or if it's a container of it

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in your garage, it's actually a taste that dogs and

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even cats don't mind licking on. So when you have

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that radiator leak, that could be a problem. Why because

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ethylene glycoll is a very very severe kidney toxin. It

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is nephro toxic as we like to say, and can

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be deadly. And interestingly, there was a new law that

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was put into effect years ago. All really because I

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believe she was either somewhere between seven and ten, maybe

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eleven years old. She wrote a letter because she had

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a dog that died from ingesting ethylene. Guy call, and

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she started a campaign to ultimately have a lot of

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these companies that make antifreeze to add bitters to the

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anaphreeze that obviously will not affect its ability to work

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to function as anti freezing and anti overheating, but it

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will help prevent dogs and cats from licking the ana freeze.

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anafhreezers out there will have this ingredient in it to

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make it not taste so good, because it really does

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taste very sweet. But a lot of the anafrieses out

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there still, especially the older ones and especially the ones

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that you might have in your garage, still contain the

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good old fashioned, sweet tasting ethlene I call antifreeze. Now,

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how this sort of interested me so much is that

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I realize that ana freeze is a severe kidney toxin,

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and there are other products out there, other items out there,

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other drugs out there that can be very, very seriously

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dangerous to a dog's kidneys. And I realized that this

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is something that you know, we've talked about certain toxins

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in the past, but you know, maybe for this show

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I want to concentrate on dogs and kidneys, and of

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course it would apply to cats as well, though there

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are other things I would add to this list for cats.

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be very dangerous to dogs. And what's interesting is not

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all of them are always dangerous to every dog, and

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many of them are dose related. As a matter of fact,

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we can use them in low doses.

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Speaker 1: It is the high.

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Speaker 2: Doses that causes a problem, which makes it even more

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challenging because we don't always know on an individual dog's

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basis what can be toxic. And some of the things

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that we offer our dogs because they need them, we

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are being prescribed them, and yet that same medication in

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much higher doses can be deadly. So, first of all,

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how do you know what are the some of the

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symptoms when we think about toxicity when it comes to dogs,

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What are some of the things we worry about? And

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how do you tell whether or not your dog is

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even having problems with his kidneys? How do you know

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to recognize, you know, before you make that phone call

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or rush to the veterinarian, you want to know what

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you're looking at. So let's go through a quick list

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of some of the things that we could look at

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that should at least, you know, peque our interest if

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we see it in our dogs. Number one is dogs

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not eating. They become a little more sluggish, as we

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call they're anorexic. They may be drooling, and we'll talk

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about that because some of these products actually cause as

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one of the kidney toxins called a bun that's an

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internal toxin. It elevates, it causes some oral ulcerations occasionally,

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and these dogs will drool, they don't want to swallow well,

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vomiting certainly a biggie increase thirst and increase urination. As

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in early stages of kidneys. All right, what's happening is

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in the early stages of disease or failure, the kidney

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stopped functioning well. As a filter. The job of the

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kidney typically is to read the water balance, if you will,

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in the body, and it says to itself, it says

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to the glomara like, okay, guys, here's what you gotta do.

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We need of the water that this dog just took in.

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We need to keep about thirty percent of it. And

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the rest you can urinate out. Well. What happens is,

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as kidneys start to fail, they lose that ability to

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make that judgment. So everything that goes in basically comes out.

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clear because they're not concentrating at all. So because of

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all that fluid loss through these kidneys that are no

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longer functioning properly, what happens the brain says, hey, buddy,

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you got a drink. We're runn out of water here,

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so we have this cycle. We're taken in more water

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because the kidneys aren't doing their job to retain fluid

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and therefore they're urinating it out.

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Speaker 2: The opposite happens, though, once kidneys really start to fail

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to the point of shut down, they no longer make

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urine at all. This happens prior to succumbing to whatever disease.

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When these kidneys shut down, they become anuric. An uric

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means no more urine being formed, and that's a problem.

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As at bun that blo urin nitrogen starts to elevate

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because of kidney disease kidney failure. It also has a

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toxic effect on the brain and we can see seizures,

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we can see coma, and of course in the ultimate

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stages we can see death. So it is so important

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to recognize those early signs. So you got a dog

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that's going to maybe not want to eat, drooling, vomiting,

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really bad breath. They'll get at the beginning or the

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early in midstages, they'll get very very thirsty. Then they'll

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be urinating a lot, and then all of a sudden

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they stop urinating. They can start to seize and go

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into a coma and ultimately death, very very serious stuff.

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Speaker 1: So what are some of.

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Speaker 2: These things that we probably use have in our houses

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and yet we have to be very very careful when

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it comes to our dogs. So one thing is ND

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sets non steroidal anti inflammatory drugs. Now, some of the

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nd says that we use, like ibuprofen at home, even

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aspirin can and do have safe levels for dogs. Even

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the veterinary approved the rimedios, the medicam, so these drugs,

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also derromax. These are all SOMEO brand names that we

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use all the time and yet can be toxic and

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high doses. In fact, when some of them are so

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tasty because we want to give our dogs things they

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want to eat something, things that are chewable. So what

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happens is the companies make them so tasty and then

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dog's going to get it to the whole container. So

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some of these veterinary approved and sets, these nonsteroidal anti

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inflammatory drugs. I tell the owners, don't trust that childproof

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cap because that toildproof cap is not going to work

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on your fifty to sixty to seventy pound retriever or

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shepherd or rotweiler. They're gonna go through the plastic like

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it's nothing. So you need to hide them. You need

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to put them way out of reach, hide them up

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in a medicine cabinet somewhere where there's no way your

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dog can get a hold of them, because if they can,

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they will, and if they do, there are a lot

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of potential extremely toxic side effects. Next up, Now, this

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is kind of new, and I say kind of new

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because it's relatively new for many of you. Hopefully this

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is old news already. But I mean I used to

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use these. I used to give these to my dogs's treats.

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Training treats. You know, sit, good boy, and I used

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to toss one grapes. Raisins, grapes, currents are all very

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potentially toxic. And here's the problem. Not every dog will

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have a toxic reaction to these raisins, grapes and currents

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number one and number two. They're dose related, and there's

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a lot of argument out there is to what that

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dose iss one raisin or one grape going to really

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affect a seventy pounds retriever. Most likely not, And is

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every retriever laboratory. I mean I used to do them

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all the time. I've never had this reaction, which means

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that probably my dogs were lucky ones and didn't have

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or didn't lack whatever it was this enzyme that causes

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a problem with these rains and grapes. There's something in

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the skins, the pro synthiatins that have a toxic effect.

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You know, it's not completely understood why we don't know

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all the dose ramifications, but for those dogs that are sensitive, yes,

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it could be deadly. So again, raisins grapes something you

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want to be very careful about. The ethnic is I all.

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You know, obviously we talked about the end sets the

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raisins and grapes. Now another thing, and again we use

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this a lot. As we know, there are two classes

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broadcast categories of vitamins. There are the water siable vitamins,

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all the vitamin b's, the vitamin C. These are the

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water siable. What that means is you know, again don't

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test this at home, folks, But typically these are non

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toxic because what happens is in the higher amounts, the

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body is going to take what it needs and then

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the rest are going to urinate out. So the water

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siably dissolve in water. It's usually not a big problem. However,

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a dan K vitamins a vitamin D. Vitamins D envitamin

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K are fat siable and therefore the fat sible of

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vitamins actually can be toxic. Are we saying don't give

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a D K. Of course we have to give them

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I mean vitamin K. In the case of, for example,

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an anticoagulant like rat poison, I mean vitamin K one

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is life saving. So again we're not saying don't use them,

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but we have to understand that there are upper limits

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of safety, and the vitamin D three is one that

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can in high amounts can cause kidney damage. So I'm

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gonna hold that thought with you. We are going to

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Werber here in pet Life Radios. Asdevats to doctor Jeff,

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we were talking about kidney toxins and what's so interesting

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about kidney toxins and we're specifically talking about dogs. Now

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I'm going to add a few to cats at the end,

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but these are things that mostly if you've gone through

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our list non story lantin, inflammatories, the antifreeze, raisins and grapes,

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Vitamin D. These are all things that we ay well

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except for the athlete I like call the ano frees

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that we use in our cars, not in our dogs.

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But these are all things we have in our homes.

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We have access to them, our dogs have access to them.

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And it with the things like the grapes and the

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raisins and the vitamin D, the medications, the end sets.

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These are all things that we even give to our dogs.

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So we have to be really really careful knowing that

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here's something that we're the doctor, the doc you told

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me to give this medication. Of course we did. And

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your own doctor may have told you to take an

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aspirin every now and then, but again say take thirty.

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So we have to be very very careful because things

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that we use often that have safe dose ranges, and

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we of course want to use them in that safe range.

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When we get out of that safe range, they could

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be deadly. So the vitamin ds, as we mentioned, vitamin

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D three the cold comes. So for all there's a number.

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Again we use this also for example, dogs that have

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parathyroid problems or dogs that have had thyroids or cats

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that have had thyroids removed, and now we have to

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supplement with because the parathyroids are often removed with the thyroids,

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sometimes accidentally. Sometimes they just can't be saved in the

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event of a tumor, and we need to supplement our pets,

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and we need to supplement with some vitamin d's, so

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so just be careful because too much can also cause

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some kidney disease. And the last one that I wanted

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to talk about today for dogs are again medications that

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your veterinarian in many instances has probably if you've had

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a pet, a dog with heart disease, your dog inevitably

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has gone home with beta blockers or calcium channel blockers,

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and the reason is that these medications help reduce blood pressure.

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They have increased blood pressure, just like we do in

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heart disease, and we need to bring those values down. Well.

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it can drop the blood pressure so low that it

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reduces blood flow essential oxygenated blood flow to the kidneys,

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and that can cause kidney shutdown. So we can get

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kidney failure. Really, the kidney themself is fine, the tissue

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is normal, the anatomy is working, the glenmary lie are

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working right, the loop of Henley is working. Everything is

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working beautifully except for one thing. We're not getting enough

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blood flow through them. And with blood comes oxygen, and

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the kidney tissue starts to fail, starts to die because

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your dog got a hold of too much of what

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was given to them for one organ's health and it

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destroyed another organ's health. So again, when it comes to

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the old adage, more is not always better. Now, some

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might argue with money, for example, more might be better

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with weight loss. Yep, more might be better. The more

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weight you lose, the better you're going to be. That's great,

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we have a dose range. We want to stay within

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that range. And just because two asmen did the job

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doesn't mean that five are going to do any better.

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As a matter of fact, they could hurt you. So

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keep that in mind when dealing with these medications. So also,

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what I wanted to do is add on. So first

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of all, I'd be curious to know. Send me a

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note to doctor jefdr Jeff at petlife Radio dot com

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or joining the conversation, which I'm just checking here again

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to see if anybody has and no one is. No

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one has joined in our conversation to let us know

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if they have had a pet a dog that has

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ever had a problem with any type of kidney failure.

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I think it's very important. So in cats, we've talked

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about this before. There are certain plants that animals can

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get a hold of that can have effects. And one

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of the serious, serious plants that we want to add

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to this list when it comes to kidneys at least

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is the lily lilies are potentially very toxic. There are

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a number of lily species out there. My thumb is

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brown is not green. So I can't go through them

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all and tell you definitely want to check with your

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poison control. But my blanket rule would be when in

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doubt a void. So if you have a lily around

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the house that you think, I think it's not one

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of them. I think it's one that's safe on that

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safe list until you know for sure, don't think because

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you thinking and thinking wrong could be deadly to your cat.

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And mind you it's not just well God, no, doctor,

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my cat doesn't eat the plant, doesn't lick on the lily,

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It doesn't eat the leaves. Ah, that could be great,

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But guess what if they drink the water at the

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bottom of that vase that has been sucking all the

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lily juice into it as well, that could be enough

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to cause severe deadly toxicity. So it's not just the leaves.

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Your cat could be a non plant leaf eater and

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still die from licking the war that is hydrating that

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lily flower, that lily plant. So be really really careful

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with those things as well. And if you have any

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questions about a toxin, there's some great poison control websites

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you can just go online. Google ASPCA has a great one.

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So you can send me a note. I will pass

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it on to my very good friend and colleague, doctor

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Justine Lee, who is boarded in emergency medicine and in toxicology,

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and she will get back to me, and I will

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in turn get back to you. We've had doctor Lee

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here on the show in the past, and I'm sure

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we can have her come back on. In fact, if

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this is something you'd really like to know more about

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household poisons. These are things that you have in your

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medicine cabinets, you have in your garages, you have under

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your counters in the kitchen, cleaning agents, solvents, foods, whatever.

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Be very very interesting. By the way, it's not necessarily

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just kidneys. It causes blood sugar problems, it causes liver disease.

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But we've talked in the past about an ingredient in

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sugarless gums named xylatol, and it is okay for people,

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but it can be deadly to dogs. Well, interestingly, this

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is a caution out there while we're on the subject

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of things that can be toxic in general, that there

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are and I don't know the brands, so you're gonna

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have to check it out, but some of the new

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sugarless peanut butters where it says reduce sugar, reduce, calorie,

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reduce fat peanut butters may have xylotol. Now, mind you,

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I'm not advocating that you should be giving your dogs

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peanut butter as a normal part of their daily routine. However,

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you would get into whole some peanut butter. Yes, it's

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a little fatty that concerns me. There could be an

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issue with some of the fatty nuts and pancreatitis. But look,

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let's face it, from most dogs and they like it.

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A small amount of peanut butter that you can use

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to give with their medication is fine. You want to

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get some good video of your dog doing some fun

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things talking, give him some peanut butter put on the

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roof of his mouth and you can have a lot

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of fun with it. That's fine. However, just understand that

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check the labels of the peanut butters that you buy,

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and if you are buying one that is promoting low calories,

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less sugar, et cetera, don't necessarily think, ah, this is

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even better for my dog because it's less fat less sugar.

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O contreire, because if they're sweetening it with the artificial

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sweetener xylatol that's x y L T O L, then

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it can be potentially deadly to your dog, So be

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really careful there as well. So anyway, I hope I

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gave you enough food for fodder here to think about

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things that you have around to always a good idea

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if you're thinking about giving something to your dog or

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your cat that you've never given before, and even your

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friends have given it and they say, oh, it's fine,

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it's fine. It could be. I'm not saying it's not fine,

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but give you a veterinarian a call, ask your vet,

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ask someone from their staff is it safe? Are their precautions?

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Is there too much? And that's the key that what

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might be too much for one dog, right or not

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too much for one dog, might be too much for

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your dog. And as we mentioned a lot of these

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things we talked about today are normally given to dogs

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and are totally safe, but they have a toxic dose.

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And if we exceed that safety dose and we get

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into the realm of toxic doses, it can be very

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dangerous for your pets. And there are many things out

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there that are just like that that are safe in

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small amounts, but may not be so safe in larger amounts.

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So again, check with veterinarian. Anyway, I want to thank

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you for joining me here today on pet Life Radios

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Ask the Vets with doctor Jeff. I would love some

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input if you guys have any subject that you'd like

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to hear more about, if you like me to make

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it a little bit more understandable. Sometimes you go to

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the vet, they've thrown all this stuff at you, the

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throwing these words at you. You don't understand and you

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don't want to sound you don't want to you're afraid

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to sound dumb like doc, I don't get it. Can

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you go over it again? You know what? It's okay,

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because that's what I love to do is help you

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make things to bet things for you very understandable. And

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when you understand and things, it makes much more sense

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why and do what we do. So therefore we'll see

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here next week here on Assavets with doctors Jeff at

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