WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.879 --> 00:00:16.640 Get ready for September eleventh, twenty twenty four, allegedly according 2 00:00:16.640 --> 00:00:20.559 to that thing we call a calendar. And you know what, Larry, Okay, 3 00:00:20.559 --> 00:00:22.800 I heard a bit of a sound there, just disrupt 4 00:00:22.800 --> 00:00:24.640 my own intro. You all right now? 5 00:00:24.839 --> 00:00:26.199 Not on my end, I'm fine. 6 00:00:26.359 --> 00:00:28.920 Oh I heard a weird noise. I don't know what 7 00:00:28.960 --> 00:00:30.719 you guys heard, but I'll leave it in the recording. 8 00:00:30.760 --> 00:00:34.759 Whatever it is. Anyway, weird noise is aside and the 9 00:00:34.880 --> 00:00:39.520 fact that this is an anniversary of a tragic event. 10 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:43.079 I'm not doing a nine to eleven show, not at all. 11 00:00:43.240 --> 00:00:46.320 But you never know how this could in some way 12 00:00:46.359 --> 00:00:49.200 relate to those events, or the study of them, or 13 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:54.679 something else. Anyway, not the true path of this show today. Nope, 14 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:57.399 it's a Wednesday. I've got the great author Larry Hancock 15 00:00:57.439 --> 00:00:59.520 with me, who again takes up a lot of space 16 00:00:59.600 --> 00:01:02.799 on my bookshelf, but not because he's taken up space. 17 00:01:03.600 --> 00:01:07.719 Everything Larry writes is wonderfully informative, gives you an idea 18 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:10.519 of exactly the type of topic we're going to cover tonight, 19 00:01:10.959 --> 00:01:14.200 which is all about a follow up to the last 20 00:01:14.239 --> 00:01:17.519 time we spoke with Larry and David boy Lean, who both, 21 00:01:17.560 --> 00:01:20.079 by the way, will be in one way or another 22 00:01:20.120 --> 00:01:24.680 participating in the Lancer conference coming up this November twenty 23 00:01:24.719 --> 00:01:27.879 second through the twenty fourth in Dallas, Texas, where I 24 00:01:27.920 --> 00:01:30.359 will be the MC Larry, as far as I know, 25 00:01:30.400 --> 00:01:35.280 will be remotely involved from parts another location, let's say 26 00:01:35.280 --> 00:01:41.079 an undisclosed location. About that, an undisclosed location his house anyway, 27 00:01:41.239 --> 00:01:43.840 there he will be, but he will be participating as well. 28 00:01:44.200 --> 00:01:48.000 David will be there a slew of individuals bringing you 29 00:01:48.079 --> 00:01:52.439 unique and in some cases very new information on the 30 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:55.560 now sixty one year old case. And this will be 31 00:01:55.560 --> 00:01:58.719 in the crosshairs part in the I don't know, that's 32 00:01:58.719 --> 00:02:02.719 not a pun expression. How about that? You know? In 33 00:02:02.760 --> 00:02:07.040 the crosshairs, so to speak. Of tonight's topic, the CIA, 34 00:02:07.239 --> 00:02:10.360 how it works, and we went over documentation last time. 35 00:02:11.080 --> 00:02:14.400 We went over, you know, how things might be shared, 36 00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:17.199 kept where they need to go. Why a file is 37 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:21.240 created just a bit though, really an introductory course, not 38 00:02:21.319 --> 00:02:25.759 even a course, maybe the introductory chapter to the introductory course. 39 00:02:26.520 --> 00:02:29.719 Not because that's all David knows or that's all Larry knows, 40 00:02:30.120 --> 00:02:34.960 but because it is rather difficult to explain, rather laborious, 41 00:02:35.080 --> 00:02:40.400 if you will, voluminous processes and files that are kept 42 00:02:41.360 --> 00:02:45.479 by guess who, your government and for what operations that 43 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:47.800 you don't really need to know about. The public has 44 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:50.639 no need to get all involved in stuff, and by 45 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:54.680 the way, it would cease to serve its purpose if 46 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:58.240 everything was known to the public, because the public would 47 00:02:58.240 --> 00:03:03.280 also include our adversaries. Anyway, forget about the benign explanations. 48 00:03:03.360 --> 00:03:05.360 Let's get into the nuts and bolts. And that's something 49 00:03:05.400 --> 00:03:08.919 that Larry greatly does, you know, through things like Surprise Attack. 50 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:12.319 By the way, these are names of his books. Surprise Attack, Okay, 51 00:03:12.479 --> 00:03:16.520 the Nexus Nexus excuse me, not the Nexus, It's not 52 00:03:16.599 --> 00:03:21.639 the matrix Nexus. Also, someone would have talked tipping point. 53 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:25.639 I could keep going unidentified. All of these books, at 54 00:03:25.639 --> 00:03:30.080 one time or another have been discussed at length and 55 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:33.039 focused on on this show. And you could find that 56 00:03:33.080 --> 00:03:36.159 stuff in my archives past and all that. But tonight 57 00:03:36.199 --> 00:03:38.520 we're going to talk about something that, in one way 58 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:43.639 or another is probably in nearly all of Larry's books, 59 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:46.000 except I don't know. Maybe it's not in the Doctor 60 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:50.439 King books. Maybe it's not it's not Nope, maybe not there, 61 00:03:50.560 --> 00:03:51.960 but nearly every other I. 62 00:03:51.919 --> 00:03:54.840 Mean, out of twelve or fifteen books, you've got to 63 00:03:54.879 --> 00:03:55.960 pass on a couple. 64 00:03:55.919 --> 00:03:57.520 You got to give it a break somewhere. I mean. 65 00:03:57.560 --> 00:04:00.280 But the thing is this type of topic fit. It's 66 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:03.360 with everything, and you would have to consider it as 67 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:06.120 well for the King books, but doesn't end up in there. 68 00:04:06.639 --> 00:04:08.639 Uh the King Books of course, the Awful Grace of God. 69 00:04:08.680 --> 00:04:11.280 And what is the title of the of the other 70 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:12.879 the other title of the King work. 71 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:14.479 Killing King, Killing King? 72 00:04:14.960 --> 00:04:17.399 See you know I should know that, but I'm kind 73 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:20.199 of pushing away from that title, not because of you, 74 00:04:20.439 --> 00:04:23.319 not because of stew but you know it's that Bill 75 00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:26.959 O'Reilly character, and he was, you know, all about killing everybody. 76 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:31.000 Uh you know what was it? Patent Jesus JFK. Who 77 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:32.120 didn't he kill in his books? 78 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:36.639 Everybody in World War Two? Killing Japan. But but I 79 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:39.480 will say in the in the King books, we do 80 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:44.079 talk a lot about documentation and practices. But in that regard, 81 00:04:44.319 --> 00:04:47.319 it's it has to do with the Federal Bureau of 82 00:04:47.360 --> 00:04:52.240 Investigation because the FBI was the primary agency involved in 83 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:56.040 investigating the crime. So we do go into practices there 84 00:04:56.079 --> 00:04:59.480 and spend a lot of time with FBI agents and 85 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:03.439 documentar what how it did things. It's just that that 86 00:05:03.519 --> 00:05:06.399 did not involve CIA, so it was FBI and that 87 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:09.120 and that particular focus. 88 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:13.720 Decidedly different bureaucracy, even though it is part of the 89 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:17.800 same government, and it's certainly a similar agency to some degree. 90 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:21.279 But the FBI is not the CIA, although occasionally we 91 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:24.319 have seen instances where it's gotten confused. And you can 92 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:28.160 go to Larry dash Handcock or Larryhypenhancock dot com. I 93 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:30.800 always recommend you go over that check out his books. 94 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:32.720 If you don't know about them and own them all yet, 95 00:05:33.319 --> 00:05:35.879 what are you doing? Go get them? Uh. And also 96 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:39.240 you could check out his blog, which runs many interesting 97 00:05:40.360 --> 00:05:44.160 things in real time, including his research into what is 98 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:47.120 it UAPs? I always got to stop myself because I'm 99 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:50.600 so used to saying UFOs, but even including some academic 100 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:56.120 work on guess what the intelligence agencies reactions to these 101 00:05:56.160 --> 00:06:01.040 things called UFOs UAPs unidentified phenomen I'm going to etc. 102 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:03.600 The most fascinating story in that book, though, to me, 103 00:06:04.319 --> 00:06:07.600 is about the instance on the military base. But let's 104 00:06:07.639 --> 00:06:10.160 just leave it alone for now, because that's not tonight's topic. 105 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:13.120 As we said, it's going to be about the bureaucratic 106 00:06:13.199 --> 00:06:17.360 workings and the inner workings of what ends up being 107 00:06:17.399 --> 00:06:21.680 a lot of paperwork for sure. Oh wait, we're not 108 00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:23.800 going to do that. We're going to discuss something else. 109 00:06:24.199 --> 00:06:26.319 But either way, it's connected to all this, how this 110 00:06:26.360 --> 00:06:29.639 stuff is codified, how it ends up existing in the 111 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:33.639 official record, whether it is secret or not. We're going 112 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:35.199 to talk about a bunch of things and the way 113 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:38.120 it works out. So where are we going, Larry, how 114 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:39.600 would we title this discussion? 115 00:06:40.360 --> 00:06:44.079 Well, this would be a focus Again. We're talking about 116 00:06:44.079 --> 00:06:49.279 an agency. It's a government agency. It does have official reporting. 117 00:06:49.319 --> 00:06:53.160 People do expense reports, people have budgets. There's an Office 118 00:06:53.160 --> 00:06:56.639 of Security, there's an office in accounting. It is a 119 00:06:56.720 --> 00:07:01.000 government agency, so at its core it has to operate 120 00:07:01.160 --> 00:07:04.560 like any other agency, even though it has to shield 121 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:09.040 itself from the public. But as you said, primarily the adversaries, 122 00:07:09.399 --> 00:07:14.560 because the CIA, as we talked before, has as many aspects. 123 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:20.360 It collects intelligence, it does intelligence analysis, it does political action, 124 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:24.360 which is an entirely different thing. But what we're focused 125 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:28.040 on here is how does it actually carry out the 126 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:33.160 practice is involved with operations, which means plandestine operations. So 127 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:37.160 how do you do something that is supposedly deniable but 128 00:07:37.279 --> 00:07:41.160 still keep it under some level of control, because yeah, 129 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:43.560 you've got to do expense reports and budgets. 130 00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:46.279 Too, right. And the interesting part about this to me is, 131 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:51.560 of course, this is often the almost banal or benign 132 00:07:52.319 --> 00:07:57.560 aspects of things that end up being most revelatory. For instance, 133 00:07:57.639 --> 00:07:59.680 and I love to bring this up, Larry, and I'm 134 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:02.639 sorry heard it one hundred times already. But the fact 135 00:08:02.680 --> 00:08:05.680 is that, you know, even the revelation, if you will, 136 00:08:06.120 --> 00:08:10.839 regarding the you know, things like mk ultra, how did 137 00:08:10.879 --> 00:08:13.639 we really get hold of that long, long story short? 138 00:08:13.959 --> 00:08:16.519 How did the public get informed about it? Wasn't you know, 139 00:08:17.240 --> 00:08:21.639 a parade of whistleblowers know, it was an investigation into 140 00:08:21.680 --> 00:08:26.519 something else that wound up turning up documentation, and it 141 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:29.240 wasn't even documentation, Like, here's the evil thing we did. 142 00:08:29.560 --> 00:08:33.200 Here's where we drugged people. I'm being facetious obviously, you know, 143 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:35.600 here's where we had people killed, et cetera at this 144 00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:37.919 time and date. And oh, by the way, I hope 145 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:41.799 I'm going to get my lunch reimbursement here, you know, 146 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:43.559 because I had to eat while I was out there 147 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:44.440 killing someone. 148 00:08:44.679 --> 00:08:44.759 No. 149 00:08:45.720 --> 00:08:48.559 The thing is though, that there are rather sort of 150 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:51.799 you know, run of the mill expense reports. That's literally 151 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:56.720 what ended up creating the record because the forensic individual, 152 00:08:56.759 --> 00:09:00.159 a forensic accountant type person comes in and reconstruct That's 153 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:05.080 what happened based on basically the receipts. So you know, 154 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:08.519 you never know which part of this which again seemingly 155 00:09:08.559 --> 00:09:11.879 and obviously people forgot about that part of it, although 156 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:16.440 they did destroy other documents and that's another thing. But anyway, 157 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:19.960 before we get too complicated about all this, what is 158 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:22.720 always said to be the thing that must be protected 159 00:09:22.759 --> 00:09:26.960 to keep files safe from public view, to keep people 160 00:09:27.039 --> 00:09:31.120 away from the deeper, darker secrets, the ugly stuff that 161 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:33.759 you know, just like as a child, you don't need 162 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:35.639 to know what it is that somebody had to go 163 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:38.639 through to maybe earn the money to buy you the 164 00:09:38.720 --> 00:09:42.000 brand new jacket, but you know a jacket was provided 165 00:09:42.039 --> 00:09:43.799 for you, and that's good enough for you if you're 166 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:48.320 seven years old. But as a primarily adult nation, right, 167 00:09:49.960 --> 00:09:53.039 we feel entitled to know these things and don't always 168 00:09:53.080 --> 00:09:55.879 get to know them. And why because they even protect 169 00:09:56.320 --> 00:10:02.000 their practices, they protect their what they're you know, their 170 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:06.000 means there. Jeez, what would we call that? Larry Well, 171 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:11.600 I've got an idea. How about this? The operative. Let's 172 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:16.600 say the individuals, oh, the resources Wait a minute, even better, 173 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:22.759 sources and methodology or sources and methods common phrase a 174 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:26.600 lot more complex than it sounds, Larry. So that's where 175 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:27.399 we're going tonight. 176 00:10:27.519 --> 00:10:31.080 Yes, yeah, And I think the key thing to remember 177 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:36.080 about that is, again, it sounds mysterious, but in one 178 00:10:36.120 --> 00:10:40.039 aspect it's not. Somebody has to assign a task. I mean, 179 00:10:40.559 --> 00:10:44.279 there's nobody in an organization. You know people, People get 180 00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:49.039 personnel reports done on them anually. People get reviewed, case 181 00:10:49.080 --> 00:10:53.720 officers get reviewed, managers get reviewed, stations get reviewed. If 182 00:10:53.759 --> 00:10:57.720 I'm Mexico City station, I have to review my personnel, 183 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:02.720 I have to provide spending reports and finances looking over 184 00:11:02.759 --> 00:11:07.679 my shoulder, and there's a caution there. It's it's yeah, 185 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:11.600 the work itself is mysterious, and I it's it pays 186 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:16.720 me to use surrogates and volunteers and to offload as 187 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:19.440 much of it as possible so my people aren't visible. 188 00:11:19.840 --> 00:11:22.480 But at the core of it, you have to have practices, 189 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:26.600 even for clandestine operations. I think an example of that 190 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:29.879 that we often cite is one of the most sensational 191 00:11:29.960 --> 00:11:36.440 things related to clandestine operations, as assassinations. Okay, and we 192 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:41.559 all talk and about the Castro assassination attempts. But it's 193 00:11:41.679 --> 00:11:45.399 kind of interesting that when when the CIA was tasked 194 00:11:45.679 --> 00:11:48.799 and specifically someone was given a task, like you said 195 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:52.440 with mk Ultra, someone had to be assigned a task 196 00:11:53.039 --> 00:11:58.080 of going after Castro. Okay, they recruited Johnny Roselli to 197 00:11:58.159 --> 00:12:03.159 do that. Johnny Roselli brought in some people that required money. Okay, 198 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:06.559 where's the money coming from? Whose budget is it coming from? 199 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:11.200 So the interesting thing is General Cabell, who was in 200 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:18.159 charge of the Geographic Directorate where Cubilize, had to know 201 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:22.519 about this and had to know the money was being spent. 202 00:12:23.200 --> 00:12:26.639 And so when when push comes to shove and somebody 203 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:30.519 really needs cash, somebody really needs to build a cash 204 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:34.480 the person who's going to do this requires signatures like 205 00:12:34.840 --> 00:12:38.080 I am not going to pay one hundred thousand dollars 206 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:40.799 out of my budget unless you sign off on it. 207 00:12:41.399 --> 00:12:45.519 And thence a record had to be created of one 208 00:12:45.559 --> 00:12:50.159 of the most clandestine and explodes as things that was 209 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:54.080 being done. And that applies to almost any clandestine action. 210 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:59.039 People have to get approvals for spending money. And again 211 00:12:59.120 --> 00:13:02.279 the common and that's why so much of it digging 212 00:13:02.320 --> 00:13:05.399 into it is you don't look, you know, you don't 213 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:07.559 look for it to be talked about. You have, as 214 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:09.960 you were kind of saying, you have to reverse engineer 215 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:12.120 it from the records trail. 216 00:13:12.399 --> 00:13:15.960 Well, right, because there's a process by which this all occurs. 217 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:18.039 And here's the thing. It's not like you have a 218 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:23.759 standard set of let's call them, you know, chores or 219 00:13:23.879 --> 00:13:26.320 goals for the day. You know, if you work in 220 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:29.360 a retail establishment, you know that during the course of 221 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:31.639 the day, this or this or this has to be done. 222 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:35.320 But in truth, when you have operations like this, investigations 223 00:13:35.799 --> 00:13:38.600 or things that are meant to create desired effects, whatever, 224 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:42.159 you have to assign a job. But you got to 225 00:13:42.200 --> 00:13:45.840 create that job. So you create the job, you create 226 00:13:45.879 --> 00:13:49.840 a pool of resources, you know, not just human resources, 227 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:53.440 but you also need to have oh, I don't know, guns, 228 00:13:53.480 --> 00:13:57.639 you know, places for people to be, storage areas, vehicles, 229 00:13:57.720 --> 00:14:00.080 let's say. So you have to pull together great men 230 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:04.000 the assets. Then you have to you know, map out 231 00:14:04.039 --> 00:14:05.600 where do they go, what are they going to do? 232 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:10.440 What are their objectives as they move forward? So you 233 00:14:10.480 --> 00:14:13.320 have to create all that. Somebody commits that to papers, 234 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:15.840 so that I mean, I hate to oversimplify it, but 235 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:19.080 you have to create a checklist. Okay, we have all 236 00:14:19.080 --> 00:14:20.840 the guns we need. Okay, we have all the people 237 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:23.679 we need, we have the backup individuals. We have an 238 00:14:23.720 --> 00:14:27.360 alternative mode of transportation. If we can't get out of 239 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:29.679 the country because of a plane, well, is there a 240 00:14:29.720 --> 00:14:33.879 harbor nearby, et cetera. All these things laid out one 241 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:37.240 way or another. And I know it sounds very mundane, 242 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:39.679 and it's like you're being silly. You're telling me that 243 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:42.480 they got to create a budget within a budget and 244 00:14:42.559 --> 00:14:45.799 also keep most of its secret because very few people 245 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:48.559 are allowed to know about this. But still money and 246 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:53.720 assets and people need to be appropriated and assigned. I mean, 247 00:14:53.759 --> 00:14:56.679 I don't know how much more simple you make. Yeah. 248 00:14:56.960 --> 00:15:03.759 Again, as you said, he has projects that are sanctioned. Okay, Okay, 249 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:08.159 this project is sanctioned, This project is funded. Everybody within 250 00:15:08.320 --> 00:15:12.200 that project it's tasked with doing certain things. Let's say 251 00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:16.879 I'm running this covert war against castro. Okay, create a 252 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:19.639 project to do it, put it under a project AD. 253 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:23.279 He assigned staff to it, recruits them, they get paid, 254 00:15:23.679 --> 00:15:27.679 they get performance reports, and then he parcels out his 255 00:15:27.720 --> 00:15:32.200 budget and as an example for that, they decide that 256 00:15:32.720 --> 00:15:36.519 to do this deniably they have to use surrogates. So 257 00:15:36.559 --> 00:15:41.120 they're going to use certain Cuban anti Castro groups to 258 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:45.679 do certain activities, propaganda, maritime missions, whatever. Got to be 259 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:48.679 a budget for that, got to have somebody handing over 260 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:53.200 that money, and you have to there's a paper trail 261 00:15:53.240 --> 00:15:56.879 that goes with it. So even for a clandestine operation 262 00:15:57.159 --> 00:16:00.559 like that, you've got you know, case off that are 263 00:16:00.559 --> 00:16:03.720 making reports. And when we go to the files, we 264 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:07.080 find files on these various groups that are summary files. 265 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:09.720 In other words, how are things going with the DRE, 266 00:16:10.399 --> 00:16:12.600 How are they, what are the various people that work 267 00:16:12.679 --> 00:16:15.480 with them have to say about them? What missions do 268 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:15.840 they do? 269 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:16.240 Well? 270 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:19.320 Are they problems for us? And that's why so much 271 00:16:19.399 --> 00:16:23.480 of what we dig out is from these operational reports. 272 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:28.159 You know. It's if you've got an actual station report 273 00:16:28.360 --> 00:16:32.799 from Mexico City or from Berlin or from JM. Way, 274 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:35.960 you can really find out what's going on, even though 275 00:16:37.399 --> 00:16:41.240 it's all shielded from the outside and cripts are used 276 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:46.799 and code names are used for projects inside, You've got 277 00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:49.200 to have a trail. You've got to have just like 278 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:52.600 any other management system. So I think one of the 279 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:55.639 things that I would like to draw a difference between 280 00:16:55.759 --> 00:16:59.679 is what the what the CIA did with its own 281 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:05.319 at sets and covert operations, where you've got CIA people 282 00:17:05.400 --> 00:17:10.680 actually recruiting people, paying people, setting up supplies to support 283 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:14.960 the operations, whether it's guns, money, boats, whatever, or where 284 00:17:14.960 --> 00:17:19.839 they actually are able to call in support from outside 285 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:24.160 the CIA. That is more deniable in a way. And 286 00:17:24.200 --> 00:17:27.279 that's where we run into the things that are called 287 00:17:27.799 --> 00:17:33.519 cover companies. I kind of actually the term CIA cover 288 00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:37.400 is again used much too broadly. But for example, you 289 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:42.000 may recruit. You'll go out to a major corporation, let's 290 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:45.400 say it's a shipping corporation. You'll contact the people on 291 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:49.759 its board, you contact its president, senior officers, and ask 292 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:53.960 them to volunteer to provide covers for you. Whether it's 293 00:17:53.960 --> 00:17:58.799 simply travel documents for your people. You know you're going 294 00:17:58.839 --> 00:18:02.200 to accept that their crew on your boat, okay, or 295 00:18:02.519 --> 00:18:07.279 whether it's you're gonna we're going to use your ships 296 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:10.440 and you'll agree to transfer our cargo for no cost 297 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:12.920 and with no accounting. By the way, thank you very much. 298 00:18:13.240 --> 00:18:15.680 And we'll also ask you to the company right, and 299 00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:18.519 we'll also ask you to create documentation for people that 300 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:21.640 are going to travel with you under the guys that 301 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:26.079 they are your employees. So these guys are now your employees. 302 00:18:26.119 --> 00:18:28.240 Don't ask them to do any work, but they have 303 00:18:28.279 --> 00:18:30.720 a job title and they get to travel with your 304 00:18:30.759 --> 00:18:34.799 other employees when we say they do so. This way, 305 00:18:34.839 --> 00:18:37.839 you have a sort of benign group of businessmen going 306 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:41.640 to establish something that is completely normal, run of the 307 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:45.519 mill whatever. And meantime, they don't actually do any of 308 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:48.759 that work. What they really do is whatever the CIA 309 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:53.119 is test them with. Excuse me, but that's the reality 310 00:18:53.160 --> 00:18:54.720 of it. And a lot of people will use the 311 00:18:54.799 --> 00:18:59.720 term shell corporation as well or shell company. And why 312 00:18:59.839 --> 00:19:04.160 is that? Because they create something whole cloth, let's say, 313 00:19:04.720 --> 00:19:08.240 or partially. Like say there is a shipping company that 314 00:19:08.279 --> 00:19:12.839 has all the licenses and everything, but is a failing business. Well, 315 00:19:12.920 --> 00:19:15.240 here's the trade off. We'll pump enough money into your 316 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:18.519 business so that you can run things for a little while, 317 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:20.519 maybe you can figure out how to sort this out. 318 00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:24.079 While you're doing that, we'll actually keep your business afloat. 319 00:19:25.160 --> 00:19:29.920 But here's the trade off. You have six employees, sixty employees, 320 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:32.400 doesn't matter the number, but you have a handful of 321 00:19:32.440 --> 00:19:35.559 employees or people that are working with your company one 322 00:19:35.559 --> 00:19:38.480 way or another that you're just taking along for the ride. 323 00:19:39.839 --> 00:19:40.759 Then to do so. 324 00:19:40.759 --> 00:19:44.640 Much better name for that rather than shell company is 325 00:19:44.759 --> 00:19:50.799 proprietary because you actually acquire business control. You put money 326 00:19:50.839 --> 00:19:53.480 into the firm, right, you have somebody on the board 327 00:19:53.519 --> 00:19:56.039 of directors, you have a couple of people in management. 328 00:19:57.039 --> 00:20:00.160 It's not a company volunteering to work for you. It's 329 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:04.079 a company that literally is working for you. And as 330 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:08.240 you say, probably without your money might be failing. With 331 00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:13.359 your money, they're succeeding. You know, you make up the difference. 332 00:20:13.599 --> 00:20:22.119 You schedule the cargoes, you do deals, and so proprietaries 333 00:20:22.519 --> 00:20:27.319 are quite different from these these cover companies that I'm 334 00:20:27.359 --> 00:20:30.519 talking about, where there's a quid pro quo when you're 335 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:35.640 working with them, you actually to show you your good faith. 336 00:20:36.200 --> 00:20:39.960 You'll get together with the senior managers and share certain 337 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:43.480 information that the CIA is collecting about the areas where 338 00:20:43.480 --> 00:20:47.240 their business is working, who's doing you know, you're collecting 339 00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:52.880 a lot of open source intelligence, financial intelligence. Obviously it's 340 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:56.119 great if I'm running a corporation working in South America 341 00:20:56.640 --> 00:20:58.559 that I get briefed on that kind of stuff. 342 00:20:59.039 --> 00:20:59.359 Works. 343 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:03.000 It's it's great. So I can be patriotic and at 344 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:06.640 the same time benefit from being patriotic, or you can 345 00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:10.400 have a very different instant situation than with the proprietaries 346 00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:11.400 that I'm talking. 347 00:21:11.079 --> 00:21:14.440 About, right. So, and another added benefit here is that 348 00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:18.680 you may indeed have ways to be paid for things 349 00:21:19.039 --> 00:21:22.240 even though you don't have to do them necessarily. You 350 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:25.319 tell them because of the amount of weight that is 351 00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:29.480 in a particular you know, cargo container that Look, what 352 00:21:29.519 --> 00:21:31.880 you're going to do is say you're a furniture company 353 00:21:32.039 --> 00:21:34.799 as benign as that. Well, really, what we're going to 354 00:21:34.880 --> 00:21:36.680 do is we're going to stick a bunch of guns 355 00:21:37.279 --> 00:21:40.799 in with the metal bed frames that you're shipping in 356 00:21:40.880 --> 00:21:44.279 a cargo container. I know it sounds ludicrous but and 357 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:48.720 quite oversimplified, but in effect, this is the kind of 358 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:52.599 thing that happens. You know, Look, these are metal bed frames. 359 00:21:53.119 --> 00:21:54.960 Pay no attention to the fact that you know, it's 360 00:21:54.960 --> 00:21:57.519 actually a bunch of small arms and medium you know, 361 00:21:57.680 --> 00:22:03.200 arms for troops that have been clandestinely maneuvered into the 362 00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:06.440 same place that you are going to do business. We're 363 00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:09.720 going to deliver some guns while you're delivering some bedframes 364 00:22:10.359 --> 00:22:13.000 and we'll make up for that difference. So you get 365 00:22:13.039 --> 00:22:14.960 paid for those You don't even have to sell them 366 00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:16.799 because they didn't exist in the first place. 367 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:22.279 And as it turns out, there's actually an alternative to 368 00:22:22.359 --> 00:22:26.440 doing that, because as you chuck you that can get 369 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:31.440 pretty complex. It can get pretty complex. People are smart, 370 00:22:31.559 --> 00:22:34.839 they realize something else is going on. Wait a minute, 371 00:22:35.079 --> 00:22:37.359 this is not right. The shipment didn't go where I 372 00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:42.640 thought it would, and we somehow failed to recognize that. 373 00:22:43.160 --> 00:22:45.759 Over the decades, in the col War, especially the first 374 00:22:45.799 --> 00:22:49.400 couple of decades, the CIA relied quite heavily on the 375 00:22:49.480 --> 00:22:54.480 US military. Right, they relied on the military for people. 376 00:22:55.119 --> 00:22:59.160 These people were actually vetted and assigned to the CIA. 377 00:22:59.240 --> 00:23:03.839 They generally went out of uniform, although not necessarily, and 378 00:23:03.880 --> 00:23:07.440 they became detailed and that was the term detailed to 379 00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:13.319 the CIA for various activities, generally training activities, you know, 380 00:23:13.400 --> 00:23:17.160 not actual special operations, that sort of thing. If the 381 00:23:17.200 --> 00:23:23.640 CIA wanted an military person for actual covert action, they 382 00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:27.200 hired them, the person would resign their position, They would 383 00:23:27.240 --> 00:23:30.519 be hired as a contract employee. But the reason I'm 384 00:23:30.559 --> 00:23:34.480 bringing this up is actually the CIA operations that were 385 00:23:34.599 --> 00:23:39.039 most covert during those years were where they actually had 386 00:23:39.519 --> 00:23:45.119 the military, either the military or proprietary working, not where 387 00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:51.799 the CIA managed it itself. For example, in Guatemala, one 388 00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:55.640 of the reasons they were very successful in that overthrow 389 00:23:55.880 --> 00:23:59.680 regime was they actually went to Air America, which was 390 00:23:59.680 --> 00:24:05.880 a prietary, and literally hired pilots and aircraft. These guys 391 00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:08.880 are experienced, they know what they're doing. They come in, 392 00:24:08.920 --> 00:24:12.599 they're on the spot, and the air operation of Guatemala 393 00:24:12.880 --> 00:24:17.680 was excellent and actually probably made the whole thing work. Okay, 394 00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:22.839 in Indonesia they used the US Navy. In the end 395 00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:25.519 it didn't work as well, but the actual shipments and 396 00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:31.880 delivery of weapons to the groups worked exceedingly well. One 397 00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:35.599 of the examples of how not to do it is when, 398 00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:38.920 and we've talked about this before, when we got to 399 00:24:39.160 --> 00:24:42.319 the Cuban operation in the Bay of Pigs. The CI 400 00:24:42.440 --> 00:24:47.200 officers that were doing that were of the fact that 401 00:24:47.359 --> 00:24:50.720