WEBVTT 1 00:00:17.519 --> 00:00:20.679 Hello, and welcome to Psychic Teachers. I'm your host Samantha 2 00:00:20.719 --> 00:00:24.039 Fay and I'm Dan Bowen, and we hope you will 3 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:27.440 join us and welcoming back to the show our dear friend, 4 00:00:27.559 --> 00:00:30.399 Teresa Reid. We're so excited to have her back on. 5 00:00:31.079 --> 00:00:34.679 Widely known and beloved as the terro Lady, Teresa is 6 00:00:34.719 --> 00:00:37.520 a best selling author whose work as a professional terro 7 00:00:37.679 --> 00:00:40.679 reader and astrologer has helped thousands of clients over the 8 00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:44.640 last thirty years. Her work makes learning the esoteric fun, 9 00:00:44.960 --> 00:00:48.240 interesting and accessible, and she's on the show today to 10 00:00:48.240 --> 00:00:49.679 discuss her latest book. 11 00:00:49.960 --> 00:00:51.119 It's called The Book. 12 00:00:50.920 --> 00:00:55.880 Of Astrological Returns, Your Complete Guide to every life cycle 13 00:00:55.920 --> 00:00:59.960 from the Sun to Pluto. So, Teresa, we're so happy 14 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:02.479 to have you on the show to talk about astrology. 15 00:01:02.600 --> 00:01:05.159 I mean we might touch on to row too, but 16 00:01:05.480 --> 00:01:09.799 I really loved reading this book because not only do 17 00:01:09.840 --> 00:01:13.480 you make everything accessible, which is hard with astrology, but 18 00:01:13.640 --> 00:01:18.159 you're talking about a very niche but not niche important topic, 19 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:20.840 which are all these different returns. And I think a 20 00:01:20.840 --> 00:01:23.840 lot of people like me and Deb who know about 21 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:28.959 astrology but are anywhere near experts like you. I learned 22 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:32.400 so much about other returns beside Saturn. 23 00:01:33.439 --> 00:01:36.200 Yes, exactly, and that's the only way I know anything about. 24 00:01:36.359 --> 00:01:38.879 And there's all those other planets speak to us. 25 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:42.879 Terresa, Well, first of all, I'm just grateful that I 26 00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:44.640 get to spend time with you too. I loved my 27 00:01:44.760 --> 00:01:47.359 visit last time, so thank you so much for having 28 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:50.280 me back. You know, the thing is what returns? I 29 00:01:50.359 --> 00:01:52.920 remember really a long time ago, because I'm one of 30 00:01:52.959 --> 00:01:55.439 a certain age now, but I was going through a 31 00:01:55.480 --> 00:01:58.120 really rough time and I had an astrologer buddy of 32 00:01:58.159 --> 00:02:01.040 mine say, oh, you're in your Sadur return. I said, well, 33 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:04.079 what the heck is that? And so he told me 34 00:02:04.120 --> 00:02:06.560 about sand returns, And then of course I started learning 35 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:09.680 about the other returns and over the years would use 36 00:02:09.680 --> 00:02:11.439 some of them a client, some I would use very 37 00:02:11.479 --> 00:02:15.000 often at all, and playing around with myself and yeada, YadA, YadA, 38 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:18.520 and so it became a part of something I did 39 00:02:18.599 --> 00:02:21.680 and became fascinated with. And why was that fascinated Because 40 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:27.319 I am fascinated with time and cycles and patterns and 41 00:02:27.400 --> 00:02:31.759 pattern recognition and how things play out in history and 42 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:36.319 the future. So it's the whole thing with returns is 43 00:02:37.199 --> 00:02:39.960 every place has different cycle. Let me just plain what 44 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:42.240 a return is for folks who are really needed before 45 00:02:42.240 --> 00:02:45.000 I even go down a rabbit hole here. So when 46 00:02:45.039 --> 00:02:48.680 an astrologer is talking about a return, what they're talking 47 00:02:48.719 --> 00:02:53.639 about is the current planet that is moving through the sky. 48 00:02:53.759 --> 00:02:55.840 It re enters the sign it was in when you 49 00:02:55.879 --> 00:02:58.919 were born, and so as soon as that happens, it 50 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:03.599 means you'd begun your return. But when it actually hits 51 00:03:03.639 --> 00:03:08.680 the exact degree and minute, then that is the official 52 00:03:08.840 --> 00:03:13.039 return chart, and it almost becomes like a birth chart 53 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:16.479 for that moment in time that sets the tone for 54 00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:19.639 the next x amount of years, depending on what planet 55 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:23.479 we're talking about. Now, the solar return is something most 56 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:28.520 people use them most often in astrology for prediction. It's 57 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:31.199 your annual birthday chart. It is the day the sun 58 00:03:31.240 --> 00:03:34.199 comes back home to your son. And what that does 59 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:38.599 is it tells you the main themes for your year ahead. 60 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:41.680 So it really again gives you like an idea of 61 00:03:41.719 --> 00:03:43.479 where you're going to be putting a lot of energy 62 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:46.479 into the next year. Now, my last solar return, I'll 63 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:50.280 give you an example by astrologer Sam Rattles is fabulous 64 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:52.479 and he wrote the forward for the book, which was 65 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:55.319 such a great honor because I love Sam. But Sam 66 00:03:55.360 --> 00:03:56.879 had said, you know, you're going to be bleeding a 67 00:03:56.919 --> 00:04:00.560 lot of money this year, and I'm like, say that. 68 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:04.520 And I looked at the solar return because you know, 69 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:07.280 he does a mix of different astrologies to transits and 70 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:10.960 all that which all astrologers do. And I'm like, oh, 71 00:04:11.719 --> 00:04:13.759 I see where seeing that because my son is in 72 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:17.040 my second house of money and my solar return chart 73 00:04:17.800 --> 00:04:22.160 and it's being negatively aspected. Okay, but you know in 74 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:24.439 the back of your head, you still they've got some control. 75 00:04:24.759 --> 00:04:27.560 Let me tell you, ladies, I have not spent so 76 00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:31.399 much money in my life. We had a disaster with 77 00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:35.120 the tenant moving out, my car died, and so I 78 00:04:35.160 --> 00:04:37.680 have been bleeding money fast. And my next solar return 79 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:40.160 looks a lot better. But that's an example of one 80 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:42.000 of the returns. So it really shows that when I 81 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:45.160 needed to be focusing on is really watching my money. 82 00:04:45.839 --> 00:04:47.920 And boy did I have to watch it. I had 83 00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:50.879 to watch it. And once you know this information for 84 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:53.480 the solar return, you have an idea of how to 85 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:56.360 work with the energy so that again you can avoid 86 00:04:56.439 --> 00:04:59.680 problems or minimize them. And I an'll say it's being prepared. 87 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:02.560 Not now that's a solar return, now something like the 88 00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:07.120 Saturn return. It's very interesting because I just had my 89 00:05:07.160 --> 00:05:09.480 second Saturn return, which is what inspired me to write 90 00:05:09.519 --> 00:05:11.680 this book. The Saturn return is the one we all 91 00:05:11.680 --> 00:05:13.959 hear about because the first Saturd return you got to 92 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:18.120 throw up. Second satur return, now you become the wise elder. 93 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:21.439 The third Saturn return you prepare for the next transition, 94 00:05:21.519 --> 00:05:24.720 which is death. So all three of them are these 95 00:05:24.759 --> 00:05:28.680 new levels of maturity. And when my second Saturn return 96 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:32.879 kicked in, immediately there was big drama because Saturn often 97 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:36.240 brings hard lessons and you know, so I'm like, oh 98 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:37.720 my god. I thought this was going to be a 99 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:41.920 much better return, which it was very challenging. But when 100 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:45.920 I get the Saturn return chart for my actual time 101 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:49.839 of the return, what was so interesting is that it 102 00:05:49.879 --> 00:05:51.959 was showing that some of the big lessons I would 103 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:55.800 be working on would be boundaries, and there were so 104 00:05:55.920 --> 00:06:00.759 many boundary issues. And Saturn's interesting because Saturn will often 105 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:04.480 go over your Saturn sign and then it will go 106 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:07.000 retrograde and go back over it in one more time, 107 00:06:07.480 --> 00:06:10.600 so it's three passes, and so it really gives you 108 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:15.079 this like initiation and then an opportunity to reflect retrograde. 109 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:17.879 But then the final Saturn return is one that sets 110 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:20.920 the tones for the next twenty seven years. And so 111 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:22.920 even though the satur In return lasts about two and 112 00:06:22.959 --> 00:06:26.160 a half years, you have that Saturn return chart that's 113 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:29.199 really showing you the big things to work on for 114 00:06:29.600 --> 00:06:32.240 the next twenty seven years. And of course it ended 115 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:35.800 up being boundaries again, So that's going to be my 116 00:06:35.879 --> 00:06:38.920 life lesson for the next twenty seven years. Let me 117 00:06:38.959 --> 00:06:44.160 work on boundaries, healthy relationships. But knowing that this is 118 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:48.480 what's empowering. So returns are showing these cycles what to 119 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:53.000 work on where you're strong, where you're challenged, and it 120 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:55.560 helps you to live your life better. There are also 121 00:06:55.639 --> 00:06:59.560 some returns that are generational next to and Pluto that 122 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:02.920 doesn't us personally, but we just lived through a Pluto 123 00:07:02.959 --> 00:07:06.079 return here in the United States, so yeah. 124 00:07:05.759 --> 00:07:06.720 Yeah, that's true. 125 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:08.839 Yeah, because you have a whole section in your book 126 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:13.439 on looking at these returns in terms of countries and history, 127 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:16.920 and I found that so so cool. I want to 128 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:20.079 ask about you tell this story. One of your astrologer 129 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:23.279 friends said, do not spend your birthday at home. 130 00:07:23.480 --> 00:07:24.600 You need to go somewhere. 131 00:07:25.600 --> 00:07:28.079 Can you tell people that story and how important it 132 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:28.800 is to look at that. 133 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:32.560 This is the solid return part. So and also one 134 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:34.120 of the things when you do a return chart you 135 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:36.360 always have to have. You also have to put in 136 00:07:36.360 --> 00:07:39.480 the location in your software of where you're going to 137 00:07:39.519 --> 00:07:42.680 be at the time of the return. The software, by 138 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:44.680 the way that I use this time Passages on a 139 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:48.000 Mac girl. I love time Passages. But there's free software 140 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:50.800 astro dot com. You can check that out, so there 141 00:07:50.800 --> 00:07:52.920 are other places you can get it. But I found 142 00:07:53.079 --> 00:07:55.959 time Passages to be really, really good. You have to 143 00:07:56.120 --> 00:07:58.839 entrance the location where you're going to be, and then 144 00:07:58.959 --> 00:08:01.519 that's going to be very import because depending on your location, 145 00:08:02.160 --> 00:08:06.560 your return will change. So I had this dude years ago. 146 00:08:07.079 --> 00:08:10.600 He said, listen, you need to travel. You need to 147 00:08:10.600 --> 00:08:14.560 be in Los Angeles on your birthday. Like we'll say, 148 00:08:14.560 --> 00:08:16.839 I don't even like Los Angeles. Back then, I really 149 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:19.079 have an attitude about it. I'm like, why, he goes, 150 00:08:19.199 --> 00:08:21.560 You're gonna have a great year, you know your solo return, 151 00:08:21.680 --> 00:08:23.879 just go to Los Angeles, don't stay home. I'm like, 152 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:26.079 you know, what, what the heck, I'm one of these people. 153 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:29.519 Try anything once So on my birthday, I was in 154 00:08:29.560 --> 00:08:32.480 this amazing Italian restaurant in silver Lake that no longer 155 00:08:32.519 --> 00:08:36.960 because sadly, having this wonderful dinner with my husband next 156 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:39.279 to this older couple who used to live in New York. 157 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:42.440 Ricky and Lucy were their real names, and we were 158 00:08:42.480 --> 00:08:45.159 just having just this great conversation. I said to my husband, 159 00:08:45.480 --> 00:08:47.919 you know, I'm having a good birthday. I ended up 160 00:08:47.960 --> 00:08:54.679 having one of the best years ever professionally, personally, I mean, 161 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:59.879 it was amazing. And so that got me obsessed and 162 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:01.919 I'm like, you listen to the control freak of me. 163 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:04.039 I need to know more about this. But I got 164 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:07.559 this book by Bob Marks and the title Escapes Me. 165 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:10.440 It's a book it's basically how to have more success 166 00:09:10.440 --> 00:09:13.399 in love by traveling on your birthday. And so it 167 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:15.600 is a book that talks all about this whole process. 168 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:18.120 So what you do is with your solar return, not 169 00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:20.559 with your other charts. It's the solar return. Because the 170 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:23.960 solar return, again, that's the tone for the year. What 171 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:26.679 you do if you don't like the location you're in, 172 00:09:27.039 --> 00:09:30.039 you basically kind of fiddle around until you find a location. 173 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:34.240 It gives you a better chart. And one of my 174 00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:37.399 astrology teachers for Bucket Gordon says you go west, just 175 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:39.039 go west if you don't like the way it looks. 176 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:41.720 So she also was a proponent of if you don't 177 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:45.159 like it, change it. So anyhow, the book suggests, you know, 178 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:48.320 you just fiddle around to find something better now with 179 00:09:49.039 --> 00:09:51.440 But unfortunately, I've been stuck at home a lot more 180 00:09:51.480 --> 00:09:54.159 so I haven't had that choices. That's why last year 181 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:56.080 with that bleeding money fast thing, I didn't have a 182 00:09:56.159 --> 00:09:59.000 choice on that. I have reasons I have to be 183 00:09:59.039 --> 00:10:02.000 home with out going into it, so I can't travel 184 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:05.120 as much as I'd like, and it is what it is. Now. 185 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:07.559 I have a birthday coming up. Of course, you know 186 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:10.120 I went and look because I'm thinking, Okay, do I 187 00:10:10.120 --> 00:10:12.120 want to be on the road for my book tours 188 00:10:12.320 --> 00:10:15.000 on my birthday or do I want to be home? Well, 189 00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:16.840 when I compare notes, it was better for me to 190 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:20.039 be at home. I have a really good chart for 191 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:23.240 my solo return if I stay home. So I made 192 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:25.759 sure with my little miniature book tour that I'm doing, 193 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:29.600 that i'm home on my birthday to activate this amazing 194 00:10:29.679 --> 00:10:31.039 chart that I'm going to have. So I'll have to 195 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:32.759 let you know how it turns out. 196 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:35.960 Yeah, please do, because I always have this idea that 197 00:10:36.039 --> 00:10:38.480 how you spend your birthday sets the tone. 198 00:10:38.200 --> 00:10:38.720 For the year. 199 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:42.679 You know, like some years, I'm not really until celebrating 200 00:10:42.679 --> 00:10:45.120 my birthday. Don't ever sing me Happy Birthday at a 201 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:46.759 restaurant or I'll ring your. 202 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:48.960 Neck type thing. And I remember one year I. 203 00:10:49.000 --> 00:10:51.200 Just kind of like hid out on my birthday and 204 00:10:51.240 --> 00:10:53.639 tucked in with my family and I had it tucked 205 00:10:53.639 --> 00:10:54.120 in year. 206 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:55.519 And I remember like. 207 00:10:55.559 --> 00:10:57.919 The other year, I had like a big celebration and 208 00:10:57.960 --> 00:11:00.399 a big party, and I had a big year. This 209 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:02.399 past year, I was like, you know what, I'm not 210 00:11:02.440 --> 00:11:04.600 going to do any work on my birthday. I'm just 211 00:11:04.639 --> 00:11:06.559 going to relax and enjoy it. I feel like it's 212 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:10.080 been a more relaxing year. But to add the astrology 213 00:11:10.159 --> 00:11:12.519 piece to it, I'm so excited to try that. 214 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:15.799 I have a couple of questions through and Samantha is 215 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:20.519 talking about traditions and not for one's birthday. For seventeen years, 216 00:11:21.039 --> 00:11:23.080 I lived in a house just across the street from 217 00:11:23.080 --> 00:11:26.919 the ocean, and my birthday, my birth time is two. 218 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:28.279 Thirty two am. 219 00:11:28.799 --> 00:11:32.879 And for seventeen years I got up every night after 220 00:11:32.879 --> 00:11:35.519 I'd gone to bed, got up and was on the 221 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:38.440 beach talking to mother Ocean at two thirty two in 222 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:40.720 the morning. And those were some of the best conversations 223 00:11:40.799 --> 00:11:42.759 I think I've ever had. And I didn't look at 224 00:11:42.799 --> 00:11:47.080 it particularly from an astrology perspective, but from a tradition 225 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:52.759 of honoring that solar return. Why do you think that culturally, 226 00:11:53.440 --> 00:11:57.919 talking about mercury retrograde and Saturn returns has become the 227 00:11:57.919 --> 00:12:00.919 only other cultural thing people know other than maybe when. 228 00:12:00.799 --> 00:12:04.600 The moon's mercury retrograd. Let's go into that for a second. 229 00:12:04.600 --> 00:12:06.559 Mercury retrograde. We hear about it all the time because 230 00:12:06.559 --> 00:12:09.480 it happens three times a year, and some people make 231 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:12.320 a really big stink in fuss about it. Now I 232 00:12:12.360 --> 00:12:15.200 have six mercury reyl planets in my chart, so I 233 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:18.399 always feel mercury retrograde before it happens, you know, more 234 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:21.480 so than when it actually happens. I'm very mercury sensitive, 235 00:12:21.519 --> 00:12:23.480 I like to say. But it gets a lot of 236 00:12:23.519 --> 00:12:26.360 play because people see it as being dramatic. It causes 237 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:29.799 problems with travel and this and that, and I think 238 00:12:29.879 --> 00:12:35.480 sometimes the negative really does get more tension and even 239 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:37.639 satur return people are. I was like, oh my god, 240 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:40.919 it's so hard. Oh and you know that is going 241 00:12:40.960 --> 00:12:43.440 to be a lot more interesting to talk about this. 242 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:45.000 So I'm like, hey, i had a really great solo 243 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:46.960 return and looks like I'm gonna have a good year. 244 00:12:47.080 --> 00:12:50.799 Nobody wants to hear that. The drama does sell, you know, 245 00:12:51.159 --> 00:12:53.559 and so you see a lot of people talking about that. 246 00:12:53.639 --> 00:12:56.039 One of the things too that was really frustrating for 247 00:12:56.120 --> 00:12:59.519 me when I was going through my second satur return 248 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:02.320 and I had written about sat In returns and other 249 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:04.759 things in my other book, Twist Your Fate a couple 250 00:13:04.799 --> 00:13:08.759 of years ago, and now I was actually in my 251 00:13:08.840 --> 00:13:11.120 second sand In Return, and I started looking for information. 252 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:14.159 I'm like, why is everything focus on the first satur return? 253 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:17.840 What is it Because I'm a woman of a certain age, 254 00:13:17.879 --> 00:13:22.000 Suddenly I might not have problems because I'm certainly getting 255 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:25.279 to hit really hard with this Saturn return. And it 256 00:13:25.360 --> 00:13:30.279 was very frustrating there was so little written about that, 257 00:13:31.159 --> 00:13:33.399 and I didn't get that. I had done readings for 258 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:35.320 clients over the years or in their second sand In 259 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:38.960 return and had big, deep conversations about what that meant 260 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:42.120 and what they should be working on and I couldn't 261 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:45.879 find Jack. It seemed like when the uriness returned, the 262 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:48.480 United States is in the Jeronis's return right now, when 263 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:51.200 Arnist's return. Sometimes I would have older clients in their eighties, 264 00:13:51.240 --> 00:13:52.639 and I would look at their churns say, okay, you're 265 00:13:52.720 --> 00:13:56.240 near the artist's return. Got to start thinking about your independence, 266 00:13:56.960 --> 00:14:00.440 got to start really getting serious about this. But I mean, 267 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:06.279 finding the information was really hard, really hard. So sad 268 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:08.960 in return what we hear about all the time. We 269 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:10.320 hear about it a lot, but it's only for the 270 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:11.240 twenty year olds. 271 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:16.039 Why, which we're getting into that third Saturn return, But. 272 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:20.799 It doesn't you know exactly what I Yeah, I knew. 273 00:14:21.960 --> 00:14:25.039 That's really frustrating. I'm like, wow, I didn't realize astrology 274 00:14:25.080 --> 00:14:26.879 was so ageous. I mean, it kind of got by 275 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:29.440 Nick Cherson a twist. I got to tell you, because 276 00:14:29.519 --> 00:14:34.759 I couldn't believe that the information was so minimal. I'm like, 277 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:40.320 what the heck, well, not anymore, not anymore with your book. 278 00:14:40.120 --> 00:14:42.799 With your book, yes, which doesn't make sense to me, 279 00:14:42.919 --> 00:14:48.480 because that time period for all of us is fraught. 280 00:14:48.159 --> 00:14:48.840 With so much. 281 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:51.840 We're either taking care of kids or aging parents, or 282 00:14:51.840 --> 00:14:53.480 we're working on our retirement. 283 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:54.440 There's a lot going on. 284 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:58.559 And you also write about the urinous opposition, the Neptune square, 285 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:02.159 and the chiron return, which can make the forties and 286 00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:05.480 fifties really intense. Can you talk a little bit about 287 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:06.759 that please? 288 00:15:06.840 --> 00:15:10.200 Yeah. I mean these aspects also really like bring a 289 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:12.960 lot of stuff up for folks. You know, around midlife 290 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:16.000 we have that neptune stuff happening, and that can make 291 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:19.639 people really question, like, you know, is this my dream? 292 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:21.639 And so you'll see a lot of people then go 293 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:24.039 get there like fancy red corvette, or get a divorce 294 00:15:24.120 --> 00:15:28.600 and rip out. Chiron return also is another time you're 295 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:31.279 fifty years old, all of a sudden, it's like, oh 296 00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:34.799 my god, my life really is half over and suddenly 297 00:15:34.840 --> 00:15:37.879 you're dealing with these old wounds. Is old garbage, And 298 00:15:37.960 --> 00:15:40.080 if you're fifty, you're taking care of parents. There might 299 00:15:40.120 --> 00:15:43.639 be old childhood wounds that are coming back and being revisited. 300 00:15:44.080 --> 00:15:47.240 So there's a lot happening around that age, which is again, 301 00:15:47.320 --> 00:15:50.440 why isn't this getting more attention? Yeah, no offense against 302 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:52.840 young people. I love young people so much, and I've 303 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:55.519 been young once upon a time. But those are times 304 00:15:55.519 --> 00:15:58.440 of life where there's a lot of crisis happening. I 305 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:00.759 got to say that. I'll use my run return as 306 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:04.799 an example. My Chiron return was right around age fifty, 307 00:16:05.679 --> 00:16:08.480 and I got to tell you though, for me it 308 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:12.000 was different because I had a lot of issues around 309 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:16.639 creativity from my childhood and it wasn't safe to be 310 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:19.360 creative and girls don't make money as artists and you 311 00:16:19.360 --> 00:16:22.639 know that kind of talk. So you know, my creativity 312 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:25.639 went underground for a long, long long time. And I 313 00:16:25.720 --> 00:16:27.879 used to be actually quite artistic, did a lot of writing, 314 00:16:28.159 --> 00:16:30.559 and then in my forties I started blogging. And what 315 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:33.279 happened in my fifties then is I got a book 316 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:38.000 deal during my Chiron return and suddenly, like all of 317 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:40.440 this creativity is builled out and I've been like writing books. 318 00:16:40.519 --> 00:16:42.759 I mean, this is book number nine. Ive got book 319 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:45.960 number ten and three Tarot decks under my belt since fifty. 320 00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:50.519 So what happened with that Chiron? I went right into that. 321 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:55.120 I really had to dig into those feelings of inferiority, 322 00:16:55.360 --> 00:16:58.840 inferiority like girls don't do art, YadA, YadA, YadA, and 323 00:16:58.879 --> 00:17:01.000 I had to work through some real garbage around that. 324 00:17:01.200 --> 00:17:05.799 So I had to uncondition my brain. So depending on 325 00:17:05.839 --> 00:17:08.920 where Chiren is in your chart, Neptune, all of that, 326 00:17:09.359 --> 00:17:11.039 there's a lot of things that could get stirred up, 327 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:14.480 and if you are facing it in a really good, 328 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:17.279 grounded way, it's an opportunity to heal. So any of 329 00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:22.000 these midlife points, whether we're talking about you know, Neptune square, YadA, 330 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:25.440 YadA YadA, any of these they're all opportunities for us 331 00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:28.680 to grow. But sometimes if we don't realize they're happening, 332 00:17:28.720 --> 00:17:31.519 we just say we're going bananas. 333 00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:33.880 Yeah, or just in a bad luck cycle. So I 334 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:38.079 think it's so important. I always think fore warned is forearmed. 335 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:39.359 What did you say earlier? 336 00:17:39.440 --> 00:17:41.960 I liked yours better prepared, not scared. 337 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:43.200 Prepared not scared. 338 00:17:43.359 --> 00:17:46.160 I love that, and even being prepared though, I got 339 00:17:46.160 --> 00:17:48.359 to tell you with my second sat in Return, I 340 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:51.839 knew it was calming, and I remember right before it 341 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:55.200 all everything hit the fan. I was sitting down having 342 00:17:55.240 --> 00:17:57.480 a glass of wine with my husband. I said, Wow, okay, 343 00:17:57.480 --> 00:17:59.960 I'm going We're in our second sand Return. Looks like good. 344 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:02.279 This is going to be the good times. And then 345 00:18:02.319 --> 00:18:08.160 everything went kbluly And even though I was going through 346 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:11.680 some really challenging things, I knew it was happening. So 347 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:14.200 I'm like, woman, you can't be given up mouth. You're 348 00:18:14.200 --> 00:18:16.640 going to hang in here. You're going to work through this, 349 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:19.039 and you're going to work through all these lessons and 350 00:18:19.079 --> 00:18:21.160 you know you're gonna come on stronger and you're going 351 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:24.920 to channel this into something good. And so I was 352 00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:27.480 doing a tremendous amount of work on myself and it 353 00:18:27.519 --> 00:18:30.480 wasn't easy. It wasn't easy, but at least I knew, 354 00:18:31.119 --> 00:18:33.839 and so I wasn't feeling like the universe. Although sometimes 355 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:36.359 I will say I blamed the planets. I'm like, the 356 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:41.079 damn you, Saturn, leap you alone. But in reality, I 357 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:44.000 also knew. It's like, okay, you're in that cycle, woman, 358 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:46.640 you just got to you got to push through. It's 359 00:18:46.640 --> 00:18:47.839 only two and a half years. 360 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:51.720 There's another famous quote that says something like, if you 361 00:18:51.880 --> 00:18:55.920 know the why, you can handle anyhow red. I always 362 00:18:55.920 --> 00:18:58.400 thought that was really really true as well, all. 363 00:18:58.319 --> 00:18:59.839 Right, we have to take our first break. Will be 364 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:00.640 right back. 365 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:06.880 Hey, everybody, it's deb If you want to dive deeply 366 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:10.839 into the magic and mystery of numbers, June is the 367 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:15.160 time I'm so excited to be working with Sarah Renee 368 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:19.160 in our Sacred Summer Series. The second of this four 369 00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:24.720 course series is entitled Sacred Numbers Aligning to Earthly Patterns. 370 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:29.400 This course runs three consecutive Tuesdays in June and registration 371 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:33.960 information and course details are on my website, deb Bowen 372 00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:39.519 dot com click the Interactive Courses tab. As always, there 373 00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:43.200 is an afternoon and an evening section. Sign up today 374 00:19:43.400 --> 00:19:47.319 and become a part of a growing community of exploration. Again. 375 00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:52.920 There are details at deb Bowen dot com. Thanks so much, everybody, 376 00:19:55.599 --> 00:19:59.559 Welcome back everyone. Theresa, I have a question that I'm 377 00:19:59.559 --> 00:20:01.880 not even s how to articulate it. But one of 378 00:20:01.920 --> 00:20:05.319 the comments that I have heard from people who poof 379 00:20:05.319 --> 00:20:10.039 who astrology is well, everybody can have all of the 380 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:13.680 same kind of stuff going on in their lives because 381 00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:15.319 they're born under a certain sign. 382 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:17.440 How can that possibly be? 383 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:21.599 And so the notion of the generalization and the universality 384 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:24.880 of a group of people being born under a certain 385 00:20:24.920 --> 00:20:29.880 sign discredits astrology from naysayers. Sometimes, what do you say 386 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:30.839 to those folks? 387 00:20:31.319 --> 00:20:33.240 Well, first of all, I don't deal with those folks 388 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:36.519 because I'm not here to convert anybody. I really am not. 389 00:20:36.599 --> 00:20:39.519 If someone doesn't like terror astrology. I can respect that. 390 00:20:39.599 --> 00:20:40.759 I'm like, you know what, if you don't like it, 391 00:20:40.759 --> 00:20:43.920 I don't like football. Therefore I don't study football. I 392 00:20:43.920 --> 00:20:46.000 don't go to the games, I don't support a team. 393 00:20:46.039 --> 00:20:48.119 I don't even know what scrimmage is, and I just 394 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:51.000 leave it alone. It's that simple. So I'm not here 395 00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:55.240 to ever ever be negative towards skeptics I get it, 396 00:20:55.799 --> 00:20:57.759 or to try to convert them. If that's true belief, 397 00:20:57.759 --> 00:21:00.759 that's fine. And it's very hard to convince a skeptic 398 00:21:01.279 --> 00:21:03.559 because once they have that mindset, they're not going to 399 00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:05.480 be open to anything. They're going to look for their 400 00:21:05.480 --> 00:21:08.279 confirmation bias, and they're going to try to find your 401 00:21:08.319 --> 00:21:11.039