Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Psychic Teachers. I'm your host Samantha
Speaker 1: Fay and I'm Dan Bowen, and we hope you will
Speaker 1: join us and welcoming back to the show our dear friend,
Speaker 1: Teresa Reid. We're so excited to have her back on.
Speaker 1: Widely known and beloved as the terro Lady, Teresa is
Speaker 1: a best selling author whose work as a professional terro
Speaker 1: reader and astrologer has helped thousands of clients over the
Speaker 1: last thirty years. Her work makes learning the esoteric fun,
Speaker 1: interesting and accessible, and she's on the show today to
Speaker 1: discuss her latest book.
Speaker 2: It's called The Book.
Speaker 1: Of Astrological Returns, Your Complete Guide to every life cycle
Speaker 1: from the Sun to Pluto. So, Teresa, we're so happy
Speaker 1: to have you on the show to talk about astrology.
Speaker 1: I mean we might touch on to row too, but
Speaker 1: I really loved reading this book because not only do
Speaker 1: you make everything accessible, which is hard with astrology, but
Speaker 1: you're talking about a very niche but not niche important topic,
Speaker 1: which are all these different returns. And I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people like me and Deb who know about
Speaker 1: astrology but are anywhere near experts like you. I learned
Speaker 1: so much about other returns beside Saturn.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, and that's the only way I know anything about.
Speaker 3: And there's all those other planets speak to us.
Speaker 4: Terresa, Well, first of all, I'm just grateful that I
Speaker 4: get to spend time with you too. I loved my
Speaker 4: visit last time, so thank you so much for having
Speaker 4: me back. You know, the thing is what returns? I
Speaker 4: remember really a long time ago, because I'm one of
Speaker 4: a certain age now, but I was going through a
Speaker 4: really rough time and I had an astrologer buddy of
Speaker 4: mine say, oh, you're in your Sadur return. I said, well,
Speaker 4: what the heck is that? And so he told me
Speaker 4: about sand returns, And then of course I started learning
Speaker 4: about the other returns and over the years would use
Speaker 4: some of them a client, some I would use very
Speaker 4: often at all, and playing around with myself and yeada, YadA, YadA,
Speaker 4: and so it became a part of something I did
Speaker 4: and became fascinated with. And why was that fascinated Because
Speaker 4: I am fascinated with time and cycles and patterns and
Speaker 4: pattern recognition and how things play out in history and
Speaker 4: the future. So it's the whole thing with returns is
Speaker 4: every place has different cycle. Let me just plain what
Speaker 4: a return is for folks who are really needed before
Speaker 4: I even go down a rabbit hole here. So when
Speaker 4: an astrologer is talking about a return, what they're talking
Speaker 4: about is the current planet that is moving through the sky.
Speaker 4: It re enters the sign it was in when you
Speaker 4: were born, and so as soon as that happens, it
Speaker 4: means you'd begun your return. But when it actually hits
Speaker 4: the exact degree and minute, then that is the official
Speaker 4: return chart, and it almost becomes like a birth chart
Speaker 4: for that moment in time that sets the tone for
Speaker 4: the next x amount of years, depending on what planet
Speaker 4: we're talking about. Now, the solar return is something most
Speaker 4: people use them most often in astrology for prediction. It's
Speaker 4: your annual birthday chart. It is the day the sun
Speaker 4: comes back home to your son. And what that does
Speaker 4: is it tells you the main themes for your year ahead.
Speaker 4: So it really again gives you like an idea of
Speaker 4: where you're going to be putting a lot of energy
Speaker 4: into the next year. Now, my last solar return, I'll
Speaker 4: give you an example by astrologer Sam Rattles is fabulous
Speaker 4: and he wrote the forward for the book, which was
Speaker 4: such a great honor because I love Sam. But Sam
Speaker 4: had said, you know, you're going to be bleeding a
Speaker 4: lot of money this year, and I'm like, say that.
Speaker 4: And I looked at the solar return because you know,
Speaker 4: he does a mix of different astrologies to transits and
Speaker 4: all that which all astrologers do. And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: I see where seeing that because my son is in
Speaker 4: my second house of money and my solar return chart
Speaker 4: and it's being negatively aspected. Okay, but you know in
Speaker 4: the back of your head, you still they've got some control.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you, ladies, I have not spent so
Speaker 4: much money in my life. We had a disaster with
Speaker 4: the tenant moving out, my car died, and so I
Speaker 4: have been bleeding money fast. And my next solar return
Speaker 4: looks a lot better. But that's an example of one
Speaker 4: of the returns. So it really shows that when I
Speaker 4: needed to be focusing on is really watching my money.
Speaker 4: And boy did I have to watch it. I had
Speaker 4: to watch it. And once you know this information for
Speaker 4: the solar return, you have an idea of how to
Speaker 4: work with the energy so that again you can avoid
Speaker 4: problems or minimize them. And I an'll say it's being prepared.
Speaker 4: Not now that's a solar return, now something like the
Speaker 4: Saturn return. It's very interesting because I just had my
Speaker 4: second Saturn return, which is what inspired me to write
Speaker 4: this book. The Saturn return is the one we all
Speaker 4: hear about because the first Saturd return you got to
Speaker 4: throw up. Second satur return, now you become the wise elder.
Speaker 4: The third Saturn return you prepare for the next transition,
Speaker 4: which is death. So all three of them are these
Speaker 4: new levels of maturity. And when my second Saturn return
Speaker 4: kicked in, immediately there was big drama because Saturn often
Speaker 4: brings hard lessons and you know, so I'm like, oh
Speaker 4: my god. I thought this was going to be a
Speaker 4: much better return, which it was very challenging. But when
Speaker 4: I get the Saturn return chart for my actual time
Speaker 4: of the return, what was so interesting is that it
Speaker 4: was showing that some of the big lessons I would
Speaker 4: be working on would be boundaries, and there were so
Speaker 4: many boundary issues. And Saturn's interesting because Saturn will often
Speaker 4: go over your Saturn sign and then it will go
Speaker 4: retrograde and go back over it in one more time,
Speaker 4: so it's three passes, and so it really gives you
Speaker 4: this like initiation and then an opportunity to reflect retrograde.
Speaker 4: But then the final Saturn return is one that sets
Speaker 4: the tones for the next twenty seven years. And so
Speaker 4: even though the satur In return lasts about two and
Speaker 4: a half years, you have that Saturn return chart that's
Speaker 4: really showing you the big things to work on for
Speaker 4: the next twenty seven years. And of course it ended
Speaker 4: up being boundaries again, So that's going to be my
Speaker 4: life lesson for the next twenty seven years. Let me
Speaker 4: work on boundaries, healthy relationships. But knowing that this is
Speaker 4: what's empowering. So returns are showing these cycles what to
Speaker 4: work on where you're strong, where you're challenged, and it
Speaker 4: helps you to live your life better. There are also
Speaker 4: some returns that are generational next to and Pluto that
Speaker 4: doesn't us personally, but we just lived through a Pluto
Speaker 4: return here in the United States, so yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you have a whole section in your book
Speaker 1: on looking at these returns in terms of countries and history,
Speaker 1: and I found that so so cool. I want to
Speaker 1: ask about you tell this story. One of your astrologer
Speaker 1: friends said, do not spend your birthday at home.
Speaker 2: You need to go somewhere.
Speaker 1: Can you tell people that story and how important it
Speaker 1: is to look at that.
Speaker 4: This is the solid return part. So and also one
Speaker 4: of the things when you do a return chart you
Speaker 4: always have to have. You also have to put in
Speaker 4: the location in your software of where you're going to
Speaker 4: be at the time of the return. The software, by
Speaker 4: the way that I use this time Passages on a
Speaker 4: Mac girl. I love time Passages. But there's free software
Speaker 4: astro dot com. You can check that out, so there
Speaker 4: are other places you can get it. But I found
Speaker 4: time Passages to be really, really good. You have to
Speaker 4: entrance the location where you're going to be, and then
Speaker 4: that's going to be very import because depending on your location,
Speaker 4: your return will change. So I had this dude years ago.
Speaker 4: He said, listen, you need to travel. You need to
Speaker 4: be in Los Angeles on your birthday. Like we'll say,
Speaker 4: I don't even like Los Angeles. Back then, I really
Speaker 4: have an attitude about it. I'm like, why, he goes,
Speaker 4: You're gonna have a great year, you know your solo return,
Speaker 4: just go to Los Angeles, don't stay home. I'm like,
Speaker 4: you know, what, what the heck, I'm one of these people.
Speaker 4: Try anything once So on my birthday, I was in
Speaker 4: this amazing Italian restaurant in silver Lake that no longer
Speaker 4: because sadly, having this wonderful dinner with my husband next
Speaker 4: to this older couple who used to live in New York.
Speaker 4: Ricky and Lucy were their real names, and we were
Speaker 4: just having just this great conversation. I said to my husband,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm having a good birthday. I ended up
Speaker 4: having one of the best years ever professionally, personally, I mean,
Speaker 4: it was amazing. And so that got me obsessed and
Speaker 4: I'm like, you listen to the control freak of me.
Speaker 4: I need to know more about this. But I got
Speaker 4: this book by Bob Marks and the title Escapes Me.
Speaker 4: It's a book it's basically how to have more success
Speaker 4: in love by traveling on your birthday. And so it
Speaker 4: is a book that talks all about this whole process.
Speaker 4: So what you do is with your solar return, not
Speaker 4: with your other charts. It's the solar return. Because the
Speaker 4: solar return, again, that's the tone for the year. What
Speaker 4: you do if you don't like the location you're in,
Speaker 4: you basically kind of fiddle around until you find a location.
Speaker 4: It gives you a better chart. And one of my
Speaker 4: astrology teachers for Bucket Gordon says you go west, just
Speaker 4: go west if you don't like the way it looks.
Speaker 4: So she also was a proponent of if you don't
Speaker 4: like it, change it. So anyhow, the book suggests, you know,
Speaker 4: you just fiddle around to find something better now with
Speaker 4: But unfortunately, I've been stuck at home a lot more
Speaker 4: so I haven't had that choices. That's why last year
Speaker 4: with that bleeding money fast thing, I didn't have a
Speaker 4: choice on that. I have reasons I have to be
Speaker 4: home with out going into it, so I can't travel
Speaker 4: as much as I'd like, and it is what it is. Now.
Speaker 4: I have a birthday coming up. Of course, you know
Speaker 4: I went and look because I'm thinking, Okay, do I
Speaker 4: want to be on the road for my book tours
Speaker 4: on my birthday or do I want to be home? Well,
Speaker 4: when I compare notes, it was better for me to
Speaker 4: be at home. I have a really good chart for
Speaker 4: my solo return if I stay home. So I made
Speaker 4: sure with my little miniature book tour that I'm doing,
Speaker 4: that i'm home on my birthday to activate this amazing
Speaker 4: chart that I'm going to have. So I'll have to
Speaker 4: let you know how it turns out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, please do, because I always have this idea that
Speaker 1: how you spend your birthday sets the tone.
Speaker 2: For the year.
Speaker 1: You know, like some years, I'm not really until celebrating
Speaker 1: my birthday. Don't ever sing me Happy Birthday at a
Speaker 1: restaurant or I'll ring your.
Speaker 2: Neck type thing. And I remember one year I.
Speaker 1: Just kind of like hid out on my birthday and
Speaker 1: tucked in with my family and I had it tucked
Speaker 1: in year.
Speaker 2: And I remember like.
Speaker 1: The other year, I had like a big celebration and
Speaker 1: a big party, and I had a big year. This
Speaker 1: past year, I was like, you know what, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to do any work on my birthday. I'm just
Speaker 1: going to relax and enjoy it. I feel like it's
Speaker 1: been a more relaxing year. But to add the astrology
Speaker 1: piece to it, I'm so excited to try that.
Speaker 3: I have a couple of questions through and Samantha is
Speaker 3: talking about traditions and not for one's birthday. For seventeen years,
Speaker 3: I lived in a house just across the street from
Speaker 3: the ocean, and my birthday, my birth time is two.
Speaker 5: Thirty two am.
Speaker 3: And for seventeen years I got up every night after
Speaker 3: I'd gone to bed, got up and was on the
Speaker 3: beach talking to mother Ocean at two thirty two in
Speaker 3: the morning. And those were some of the best conversations
Speaker 3: I think I've ever had. And I didn't look at
Speaker 3: it particularly from an astrology perspective, but from a tradition
Speaker 3: of honoring that solar return. Why do you think that culturally,
Speaker 3: talking about mercury retrograde and Saturn returns has become the
Speaker 3: only other cultural thing people know other than maybe when.
Speaker 4: The moon's mercury retrograd. Let's go into that for a second.
Speaker 4: Mercury retrograde. We hear about it all the time because
Speaker 4: it happens three times a year, and some people make
Speaker 4: a really big stink in fuss about it. Now I
Speaker 4: have six mercury reyl planets in my chart, so I
Speaker 4: always feel mercury retrograde before it happens, you know, more
Speaker 4: so than when it actually happens. I'm very mercury sensitive,
Speaker 4: I like to say. But it gets a lot of
Speaker 4: play because people see it as being dramatic. It causes
Speaker 4: problems with travel and this and that, and I think
Speaker 4: sometimes the negative really does get more tension and even
Speaker 4: satur return people are. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: it's so hard. Oh and you know that is going
Speaker 4: to be a lot more interesting to talk about this.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, hey, i had a really great solo
Speaker 4: return and looks like I'm gonna have a good year.
Speaker 4: Nobody wants to hear that. The drama does sell, you know,
Speaker 4: and so you see a lot of people talking about that.
Speaker 4: One of the things too that was really frustrating for
Speaker 4: me when I was going through my second satur return
Speaker 4: and I had written about sat In returns and other
Speaker 4: things in my other book, Twist Your Fate a couple
Speaker 4: of years ago, and now I was actually in my
Speaker 4: second sand In Return, and I started looking for information.
Speaker 4: I'm like, why is everything focus on the first satur return?
Speaker 4: What is it Because I'm a woman of a certain age,
Speaker 4: Suddenly I might not have problems because I'm certainly getting
Speaker 4: to hit really hard with this Saturn return. And it
Speaker 4: was very frustrating there was so little written about that,
Speaker 4: and I didn't get that. I had done readings for
Speaker 4: clients over the years or in their second sand In
Speaker 4: return and had big, deep conversations about what that meant
Speaker 4: and what they should be working on and I couldn't
Speaker 4: find Jack. It seemed like when the uriness returned, the
Speaker 4: United States is in the Jeronis's return right now, when
Speaker 4: Arnist's return. Sometimes I would have older clients in their eighties,
Speaker 4: and I would look at their churns say, okay, you're
Speaker 4: near the artist's return. Got to start thinking about your independence,
Speaker 4: got to start really getting serious about this. But I mean,
Speaker 4: finding the information was really hard, really hard. So sad
Speaker 4: in return what we hear about all the time. We
Speaker 4: hear about it a lot, but it's only for the
Speaker 4: twenty year olds.
Speaker 3: Why, which we're getting into that third Saturn return, But.
Speaker 4: It doesn't you know exactly what I Yeah, I knew.
Speaker 4: That's really frustrating. I'm like, wow, I didn't realize astrology
Speaker 4: was so ageous. I mean, it kind of got by
Speaker 4: Nick Cherson a twist. I got to tell you, because
Speaker 4: I couldn't believe that the information was so minimal. I'm like,
Speaker 4: what the heck, well, not anymore, not anymore with your book.
Speaker 1: With your book, yes, which doesn't make sense to me,
Speaker 1: because that time period for all of us is fraught.
Speaker 2: With so much.
Speaker 1: We're either taking care of kids or aging parents, or
Speaker 1: we're working on our retirement.
Speaker 2: There's a lot going on.
Speaker 1: And you also write about the urinous opposition, the Neptune square,
Speaker 1: and the chiron return, which can make the forties and
Speaker 1: fifties really intense. Can you talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: that please?
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean these aspects also really like bring a
Speaker 4: lot of stuff up for folks. You know, around midlife
Speaker 4: we have that neptune stuff happening, and that can make
Speaker 4: people really question, like, you know, is this my dream?
Speaker 4: And so you'll see a lot of people then go
Speaker 4: get there like fancy red corvette, or get a divorce
Speaker 4: and rip out. Chiron return also is another time you're
Speaker 4: fifty years old, all of a sudden, it's like, oh
Speaker 4: my god, my life really is half over and suddenly
Speaker 4: you're dealing with these old wounds. Is old garbage, And
Speaker 4: if you're fifty, you're taking care of parents. There might
Speaker 4: be old childhood wounds that are coming back and being revisited.
Speaker 4: So there's a lot happening around that age, which is again,
Speaker 4: why isn't this getting more attention? Yeah, no offense against
Speaker 4: young people. I love young people so much, and I've
Speaker 4: been young once upon a time. But those are times
Speaker 4: of life where there's a lot of crisis happening. I
Speaker 4: got to say that. I'll use my run return as
Speaker 4: an example. My Chiron return was right around age fifty,
Speaker 4: and I got to tell you though, for me it
Speaker 4: was different because I had a lot of issues around
Speaker 4: creativity from my childhood and it wasn't safe to be
Speaker 4: creative and girls don't make money as artists and you
Speaker 4: know that kind of talk. So you know, my creativity
Speaker 4: went underground for a long, long long time. And I
Speaker 4: used to be actually quite artistic, did a lot of writing,
Speaker 4: and then in my forties I started blogging. And what
Speaker 4: happened in my fifties then is I got a book
Speaker 4: deal during my Chiron return and suddenly, like all of
Speaker 4: this creativity is builled out and I've been like writing books.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is book number nine. Ive got book
Speaker 4: number ten and three Tarot decks under my belt since fifty.
Speaker 4: So what happened with that Chiron? I went right into that.
Speaker 4: I really had to dig into those feelings of inferiority,
Speaker 4: inferiority like girls don't do art, YadA, YadA, YadA, and
Speaker 4: I had to work through some real garbage around that.
Speaker 4: So I had to uncondition my brain. So depending on
Speaker 4: where Chiren is in your chart, Neptune, all of that,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of things that could get stirred up,
Speaker 4: and if you are facing it in a really good,
Speaker 4: grounded way, it's an opportunity to heal. So any of
Speaker 4: these midlife points, whether we're talking about you know, Neptune square, YadA,
Speaker 4: YadA YadA, any of these they're all opportunities for us
Speaker 4: to grow. But sometimes if we don't realize they're happening,
Speaker 4: we just say we're going bananas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or just in a bad luck cycle. So I
Speaker 1: think it's so important. I always think fore warned is forearmed.
Speaker 1: What did you say earlier?
Speaker 4: I liked yours better prepared, not scared.
Speaker 2: Prepared not scared.
Speaker 4: I love that, and even being prepared though, I got
Speaker 4: to tell you with my second sat in Return, I
Speaker 4: knew it was calming, and I remember right before it
Speaker 4: all everything hit the fan. I was sitting down having
Speaker 4: a glass of wine with my husband. I said, Wow, okay,
Speaker 4: I'm going We're in our second sand Return. Looks like good.
Speaker 4: This is going to be the good times. And then
Speaker 4: everything went kbluly And even though I was going through
Speaker 4: some really challenging things, I knew it was happening. So
Speaker 4: I'm like, woman, you can't be given up mouth. You're
Speaker 4: going to hang in here. You're going to work through this,
Speaker 4: and you're going to work through all these lessons and
Speaker 4: you know you're gonna come on stronger and you're going
Speaker 4: to channel this into something good. And so I was
Speaker 4: doing a tremendous amount of work on myself and it
Speaker 4: wasn't easy. It wasn't easy, but at least I knew,
Speaker 4: and so I wasn't feeling like the universe. Although sometimes
Speaker 4: I will say I blamed the planets. I'm like, the
Speaker 4: damn you, Saturn, leap you alone. But in reality, I
Speaker 4: also knew. It's like, okay, you're in that cycle, woman,
Speaker 4: you just got to you got to push through. It's
Speaker 4: only two and a half years.
Speaker 1: There's another famous quote that says something like, if you
Speaker 1: know the why, you can handle anyhow red. I always
Speaker 1: thought that was really really true as well, all.
Speaker 2: Right, we have to take our first break. Will be
Speaker 2: right back.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back everyone. Theresa, I have a question that I'm
Speaker 3: not even s how to articulate it. But one of
Speaker 3: the comments that I have heard from people who poof
Speaker 3: who astrology is well, everybody can have all of the
Speaker 3: same kind of stuff going on in their lives because
Speaker 3: they're born under a certain sign.
Speaker 5: How can that possibly be?
Speaker 3: And so the notion of the generalization and the universality
Speaker 3: of a group of people being born under a certain
Speaker 3: sign discredits astrology from naysayers. Sometimes, what do you say
Speaker 3: to those folks?
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I don't deal with those folks
Speaker 4: because I'm not here to convert anybody. I really am not.
Speaker 4: If someone doesn't like terror astrology. I can respect that.
Speaker 4: I'm like, you know what, if you don't like it,
Speaker 4: I don't like football. Therefore I don't study football. I
Speaker 4: don't go to the games, I don't support a team.
Speaker 4: I don't even know what scrimmage is, and I just
Speaker 4: leave it alone. It's that simple. So I'm not here
Speaker 4: to ever ever be negative towards skeptics I get it,
Speaker 4: or to try to convert them. If that's true belief,
Speaker 4: that's fine. And it's very hard to convince a skeptic
Speaker 4: because once they have that mindset, they're not going to
Speaker 4: be open to anything. They're going to look for their
Speaker 4: confirmation bias, and they're going to try to find your
Speaker 4: confirmation bias, and it's going to end up just being
Speaker 4: a conversation that goes in circles. Really interesting. My astrologer,
Speaker 4: Sam Reynolds used to be a skeptic until he started
Speaker 4: studying astrology. And here's the thing that a lot of
Speaker 4: these people don't understand. Yes, there is the general sun
Speaker 4: sign stuff. Okay, there's very general information out there, and
Speaker 4: so it's very easy to say, well, I'm a Gemini too,
Speaker 4: and I'm nothing like the Tara lady. I'm very different.
Speaker 4: But that's because you haven't done the in depth look
Speaker 4: and analysis of a chart. You've got to look at
Speaker 4: the whole thing. So let's pretend that you and I
Speaker 4: have the exact same charts. We're born the same day,
Speaker 4: same time, same city. Okay, we're still also going to
Speaker 4: have different experiences because of our lived experiences. Just because
Speaker 4: we have the same chart doesn't mean we're all going
Speaker 4: to make the same decisions. We also have free will,
Speaker 4: so it doesn't mean it's going to manifest. Not all
Speaker 4: geminized or flight key, not all touruses are stubborn. You
Speaker 4: have to look at the whole chart to get a
Speaker 4: really good idea of potential problems. And then you look
Speaker 4: at the transits. Where could this person be going from here?
Speaker 4: You can look at the progressed chart, how is this
Speaker 4: person growing? You're always looking at potential for good and
Speaker 4: potential for trouble, and hopefully the people that are open
Speaker 4: to astrology make the right decisions because there is free
Speaker 4: will involved too, and that's kind of a big way
Speaker 4: of thinking, and some people can't think that big. And
Speaker 4: some people think although the planets can't control you, well,
Speaker 4: the moon controls the tides. What are you talking about.
Speaker 4: There's going to be something to it, so keep an
Speaker 4: open mind. And it's also interesting because astrology, way back
Speaker 4: in the beginning origins, was a respected science. Now it's
Speaker 4: considered a pseudoscience. But I don't know. I found it
Speaker 4: really works. It makes a lot of sense for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree.
Speaker 1: And it's like you said, if that's where your interest
Speaker 1: are driving you, that's where you need to focus and
Speaker 1: let the naysayers stay over and they're grumpy corner.
Speaker 4: Some people waste so much time with skeptics. And back
Speaker 4: in the day when I used to read for the public,
Speaker 4: I don't read for the public any longer. I would
Speaker 4: get some skeptics in my office, you know, and oftentimes
Speaker 4: they would become really good clients. Sometimes a lot of
Speaker 4: times they'd walk away not impressed at all because they
Speaker 4: came in with a closed mind.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: It just depended. And at some point I became like,
Speaker 4: you know what, if you're coming in with that mind,
Speaker 4: don't come here. I'm just if you're making my jobs
Speaker 4: hard and not fun. And if my job is really
Speaker 4: hard and not fun, I'm here to prove something to you.
Speaker 4: I don't want it's not worth the money. I just
Speaker 4: don't like that. I want you to come in, be open,
Speaker 4: even if for skeptical. Otherwise, why are you here? Why
Speaker 4: are you here? That would be like me again, Let's
Speaker 4: say I hate football because I do. That would be
Speaker 4: like me showing up at a football game and starting
Speaker 4: to like yell at the team and you know, tell
Speaker 4: everybody to pipe down, not have fun. Why would I
Speaker 4: do that? That's so weird. It's weird to me for
Speaker 4: a skeptic to come in for a reading to try
Speaker 4: to prove something. What a waste of money and time?
Speaker 4: What do you I mean? With my mind and with
Speaker 4: my time and money, The last thing I'm going to
Speaker 4: do is invest in something I don't believe in to
Speaker 4: discredit it. That's weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree.
Speaker 1: Now, in your book, you talk about a lot of
Speaker 1: different returns that were so.
Speaker 2: New to me. But you also talk about.
Speaker 1: The lunar return and that happens every month, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my gosh, I never really considered that.
Speaker 1: Can you talk about the lunar return?
Speaker 5: Please?
Speaker 4: Do? The liner return happens every month because the moone
Speaker 4: changes signs, you know, every like two and a half days,
Speaker 4: and so every thirty days, it comes back around to
Speaker 4: where it was when you were born. And so what
Speaker 4: it does is it gives you kind of like an
Speaker 4: emotional blueprint for the month. You can see where your
Speaker 4: feelings are going to be strongest, where you might be
Speaker 4: experiencing change because the moon does rule bad also showed
Speaker 4: how you might be showing up emotionally, how you might
Speaker 4: be expressing and working through those feelings. So it can
Speaker 4: be really helpful to determine, Okay, this is going to
Speaker 4: be a month where I'm feeling kind of cranky. Maybe
Speaker 4: this is a month I eat more chocolate, get a massage.
Speaker 4: This month, it looks like I've been a really good place.
Speaker 4: I'm going to get a lot done. So it gives
Speaker 4: you also kind of this little emotional backdrop so that
Speaker 4: you can number one, take good care of yourself, but
Speaker 4: also number two, really understand how you're showing up and
Speaker 4: dealing with the world to your feelings. I think I
Speaker 4: use the example that I was having a really cranky
Speaker 4: time and I looked at my little return and it
Speaker 4: was a month where I cut off a relative because
Speaker 4: they were being so awful, and my moon, of course,
Speaker 4: was in this. Really I think it was in my
Speaker 4: seventh house, and it was not in a good place.
Speaker 4: I'm like, well that makes sense, got it? You know,
Speaker 4: so little return to tell you a lot, but what
Speaker 4: I'm really cranky, I'll pull up that lutle return and
Speaker 4: it's always at my moan, is really poorly aspected for
Speaker 4: that month and not in a happy place.
Speaker 1: You know, that's an interesting way to work on the
Speaker 1: inner self critic too. Yes, if you can look at
Speaker 1: that and go, oh, that's why I was this way,
Speaker 1: it can help us be gentler with ourselves. I never
Speaker 1: really correlated that well.
Speaker 4: Also, the other thing that I can do is it
Speaker 4: can help you to know, Okay, this is a time
Speaker 4: where maybe I really need to work on my emotions,
Speaker 4: you know, maybe this is the month that I need
Speaker 4: to do some really really heavy stuff around that. My
Speaker 4: next little return is coming up in a few days,
Speaker 4: right before my book launches, and so it's really well aspected.
Speaker 4: Thank god, that's pure luck because I didn't plan that.
Speaker 4: There's some challenges too, because I'll still have this big
Speaker 4: aria stelium that is moving through my house of course,
Speaker 4: the house of relationships again, so hopefully I'm not going
Speaker 4: to be cutting anyone off, but the moon itself has
Speaker 4: some really good aspects, and the aspects are actually good
Speaker 4: for the book. So that's telling me that the book
Speaker 4: tour in the month ahead is probably going to be
Speaker 4: pretty pleasant for me. Even if I have to set
Speaker 4: a few boundaries here or there, overall, I'm going to
Speaker 4: be in a pretty jolly place. My moon is going
Speaker 4: to be. I don't remember I think the moon is.
Speaker 4: It's in like a positive aspect to Jupiter, which is jovial,
Speaker 4: and it's outgoing, so I know that that's going to
Speaker 4: be a good month. Of course, I looked for my
Speaker 4: book launch, and by the way, when I do any
Speaker 4: type of a book latnch, I'm always looking at the
Speaker 4: aspects for me to see is this going to be
Speaker 4: a good time for the book. And sometimes you don't
Speaker 4: have a choice in the matter. Sometimes you do, and
Speaker 4: this time I didn't. But it looks like the date
Speaker 4: has been a very good date.
Speaker 5: Yay, that's a wonderful thing to hear. Yes, I didn't
Speaker 5: have any control it all over that.
Speaker 4: A lot of times you don't. And the Little Return
Speaker 4: also was interested with it. It also is associated with
Speaker 4: the public, so I use it a lot for business astrology.
Speaker 4: So when I was looking at my little return for
Speaker 4: next month, when I'm going on the tour, I'm like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, tours are so hard, very stressful for me.
Speaker 4: I have a hard time with them. But seeing that
Speaker 4: the moment is in a good aspect is also letting
Speaker 4: me know, Okay, girl, you're gonna be okay, You're going
Speaker 4: to be fine. So that's what I have to remember.
Speaker 4: I'm going to be fine. I'm going to get through
Speaker 4: the tour. I will survive. The public is going to
Speaker 4: be friendly.
Speaker 5: You got this.
Speaker 4: That also helps me to know that going into the
Speaker 4: next month, emotionally, I can feel safe, which is important
Speaker 4: to me when I'm on the road, feeling emotually safe
Speaker 4: because i mean, you know, as authors, sometimes parasocial relationships
Speaker 4: can be a little scary.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah for sure.
Speaker 1: And we've got a lot of weird astrological stuff going on.
Speaker 1: Can you tell us what your opinion is on this
Speaker 1: urineus movement into Gemini because I'm reading very positive stuff
Speaker 1: and very scary stuff.
Speaker 4: Okay. So one of the things I like to when
Speaker 4: I used to teach astrology in person back in the
Speaker 4: day is really working on being as neutral as possible,
Speaker 4: and that makes you to look at the good. You
Speaker 4: can't just look at oh my god, this is got
Speaker 4: to be great. You also have to look at the
Speaker 4: potential for negativity. If you're only looking at one or
Speaker 4: the other, that's not a full picture. And that also
Speaker 4: doesn't leave free will into account. And there are some people.
Speaker 4: If you're someone who has very negatively inclined and you're
Speaker 4: a pessimist, you're only going to see that negative. And
Speaker 4: if you are someone who only is a positive we
Speaker 4: call it spiritual bypassing, you're only going to see that.
Speaker 4: Neither one is going to be helpful at all but
Speaker 4: the people that you read for. So what we always
Speaker 4: want to do is offer a little bit of okay,
Speaker 4: if this is like, how can manifest in a good way?
Speaker 4: This some of the challenges. Now, let's be like Tim
Speaker 4: Gunn and make it work. Urus in Gemini. First of
Speaker 4: Allureness has been in Tourus now for seven years. The
Speaker 4: last time Urness was in Tourus was during the Great Depression,
Speaker 4: and so a lot of times when Uriness is in Tourus,
Speaker 4: what happens is we have upheavals with finances, We have
Speaker 4: a greater gap between the rich and the poor, which
Speaker 4: did happen under the sureness return. We have our resources
Speaker 4: also getting disrupted. There's also a potential for more awareness
Speaker 4: about the earth. There's a potential for more people to
Speaker 4: make money, maybe in novel new ways. So there's a
Speaker 4: lot of good that can come out of it. And
Speaker 4: when I look at the correlations between Uraness and Tours,
Speaker 4: in the last time I was Intours and this recent one,
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, we didn't go through the Great Depression,
Speaker 4: but the gap between the rich and the poor has
Speaker 4: gotten very wide, and we are back to the nineteen
Speaker 4: twenties where they call that the Roaring twenties, where there
Speaker 4: were a lot of really super wealthy people and everybody
Speaker 4: else was going without. And that was not a good
Speaker 4: time until FDR came along. So maybe it was Gernis
Speaker 4: in Gemini. We make it an FDR. Who knows, but
Speaker 4: euris in Gemini? So what is it all about? Eurics
Speaker 4: isn't really like being in tours because you just wants
Speaker 4: to disrupt and Taurus says no, I want to be stable.
Speaker 4: So it is a very challenging aspect period in my opinion,
Speaker 4: but again, good can come out of it. You can
Speaker 4: make more money in novel ways. You could be innovative
Speaker 4: and the way you're making money is good for making
Speaker 4: money on the internet. In this last iteration, Urness is
Speaker 4: much happier in Gemini, much much happier in Gemini, because
Speaker 4: Gemini is weird, you know, speaking as a Gemini, and
Speaker 4: Uriness is all about innovation and weird in quickness and
Speaker 4: future orientation and disruptions, which in my opinion is very
Speaker 4: very Gemini energy. Geminis do not mind chass and they
Speaker 4: like things to shake up a little bit because they
Speaker 4: hate being bored. So with Uriness being in Gemini, what
Speaker 4: we can see is Urinus, the plan of disruption, rebellion,
Speaker 4: revolution is going to be making changes in the Gemini
Speaker 4: wrul themes, communication, media, transportation. We could be seeing great
Speaker 4: changes in how people are expressing themselves. Literature can go through,
Speaker 4: the publishing industry could go through big changes. Neighborhoods could
Speaker 4: also be ready for an upgrade or some sort of
Speaker 4: a change. So how could that work out? Well, again,
Speaker 4: it depends if AI is going to be very problematic.
Speaker 4: You're just in Geni I. We're going to see a
Speaker 4: lot of this AI. These data centers, people might be
Speaker 4: pushing back because again there's rebellion, but that could also
Speaker 4: be disrupting our climate. However, we might also see advances
Speaker 4: in air and wind type of insular type of energy,
Speaker 4: especially if these data centers continue doing the horrible things
Speaker 4: they're doing. Will there be bad things? Yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: the data centers and these oligarchs are doing some really
Speaker 4: horrible things that we should all be concerned about. We
Speaker 4: need to be speaking out about that. But at the
Speaker 4: same time, oftentimes that can really create this movement for
Speaker 4: people to speak up and find their voice, which is
Speaker 4: a Gemini thing, and get out there and maybe make
Speaker 4: some noise and stop some of this stuff. Though, we
Speaker 4: should see advances in technology, transportation, communication, media. I think
Speaker 4: independent media is going to become huge. And not only
Speaker 4: do we have to be careful of AI, the other
Speaker 4: thing we have to be very careful about is disinformation.
Speaker 4: We are living in nineteen eighty four now, it's going
Speaker 4: to be bad. And so one of the things that
Speaker 4: I've been advocating for people to do is learn about
Speaker 4: media literacy. Media literacy and civics should be taught in school.
Speaker 4: It's not anymore. Hey, listen, there's no better time to
Speaker 4: do it now. Learn about media literacy, learn how to
Speaker 4: fact check, learn how to discern the use the difference
Speaker 4: between AI and real writing and art, and speak up
Speaker 4: and push against it. Don't use chat GPT, don't give
Speaker 4: it that energy. Think with your brain. I mean, usual
Speaker 4: your darn knock and you got one for a reason.
Speaker 4: I was talking you on I think I was doing
Speaker 4: last night. You know, a while back, my sister's friends
Speaker 4: with some of these questionable people I don't know how
Speaker 4: from high school. And one of these guys posted in propaganda.
Speaker 4: Came on there and I said, we'll cite your sources.
Speaker 4: I've never talked to this guy, and he comes back
Speaker 4: with this Facebook post from Glenn Beck, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: number one as a Facebook post. Number two is Glenn Beck.
Speaker 4: He's not a reliable source, and you're not giving facts.
Speaker 4: I need your facts. And then I gave a whole
Speaker 4: thing explaining how media literacy works. This guy got really intimidated,
Speaker 4: so sar arguing with other people because he didn't want
Speaker 4: to come with facts. All he wanted was to come
Speaker 4: with these Facebook posts. And this is what we have
Speaker 4: to be careful of that. And also there's a book
Speaker 4: called the theft of expertise. I was talking about this recently too.
Speaker 4: I think I was took about last night. Actually, the
Speaker 4: death of expertise means we have now fought against anti
Speaker 4: There's been so much anti intellectualism and all this anti
Speaker 4: science and all this anti experts. And you've got these
Speaker 4: people now that go on Facebook and they think they
Speaker 4: are experts, and they are presenting information that is faulty,
Speaker 4: that is false, that is not ridorously fact checked. Now,
Speaker 4: anybody who writes for a living has to do a
Speaker 4: lot of research. It's part of our job. So it's
Speaker 4: frustrating to see this out there. And I think with
Speaker 4: Uranus and Gemini, we're going to see a lot of disinformation,
Speaker 4: propaganda AI and these are going to be the things
Speaker 4: we really want to work on. And the rise of
Speaker 4: independent journalism is going to be a good thing. New
Speaker 4: forms of media will be a good thing. As the
Speaker 4: Oligards have taken over all of our media sources, we
Speaker 4: might see more people starting up new things, and I
Speaker 4: think that's going to be very important. So will there
Speaker 4: be good yes, will there be bad yes? And one
Speaker 4: of the things you're going to be hearing too from
Speaker 4: a lot of astrologers is, well, the last time Uranus
Speaker 4: was a Gemini was a war. It's associated with war.
Speaker 4: And here's the thing. We are always in a war.
Speaker 4: When have we not been in a war? That's the
Speaker 4: dumbest prediction ever, because there's always some idiot that wants
Speaker 4: to go and take something that doesn't belong to them
Speaker 4: or start some more of our belief system. We have
Speaker 4: never not been in a war. I mean, when Uranus
Speaker 4: was in Taurus. What about what's happening in the Sudan
Speaker 4: and what's happening over in Gaza and lovan on that
Speaker 4: that was started during Uranus and Taurus. So why are
Speaker 4: people now bringing this up like this is gonna be
Speaker 4: some bad thing. We're always in war. And when I
Speaker 4: point that out, I get astrologers mad at me. But
Speaker 4: I'm like, that's common sense. We have never not been
Speaker 4: in a war, and I would like it one day.
Speaker 4: I don't know about y'all, but I'm like, one day
Speaker 4: not to have a war going on, to really at
Speaker 4: peace and let people live their lives and not be
Speaker 4: bombing the heck out of folks, even folks I don't
Speaker 4: agree with. I'm just done with it.
Speaker 1: Well said and I love, I love everything you said,
Speaker 1: but we have to take our last break.
Speaker 2: But we'll be right back.
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Speaker 1: Fay dot com. Welcome back, Teresa. I'm so excited to share
Speaker 1: this book with everyone. I have a question that doesn't
Speaker 1: have anything to do with returns, but I've just always
Speaker 1: been curious about it. With astrology, I read that if
Speaker 1: you were born during a retrograde, whether it's mercury or venus,
Speaker 1: then when that retrograde happens throughout your life, it has
Speaker 1: the opposite effect on you. Do you think that's true?
Speaker 4: That depends it's going to be different case the case.
Speaker 4: That's too much generalization.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 4: I had met people that have mercury retrogrades in their
Speaker 4: charts and like, well, you know, when retrograds come along,
Speaker 4: I never have a problem. But I've met other people say,
Speaker 4: oh god, no, they're even worse for me. They're like
Speaker 4: ten times worse because mine's already retrograde. So it's going
Speaker 4: to depend on the person. I think that's a big generalization.
Speaker 1: Okay, good because a listener we had an astrologer on
Speaker 1: years ago and she had mentioned that, and the listener
Speaker 1: emailed me this link and because she was born during
Speaker 1: a venus retrograde. And this person had written, You're going
Speaker 1: to have struggles with low the rest of your life
Speaker 1: if you're born during a you know. I was like, no,
Speaker 1: it can't be that absolute.
Speaker 4: Okay. First of all, with astrology in general, one of
Speaker 4: the things you'll hear me say a lot astrology is
Speaker 4: a theory. Even your natal chart, this is a theory.
Speaker 4: It's a roadmap of where you may go. But there
Speaker 4: are all kinds of routes you can take. One of
Speaker 4: the things that I've got told very early on was
Speaker 4: you're never going to find love. You've got saturned in
Speaker 4: the fifth house. It's terribly aspected. It's going to be very,
Speaker 4: very hard for you to find relationships. I've never had
Speaker 4: trouble finding love ever. I've never, in fact, I've had
Speaker 4: trouble getting rid of dudes, you know. So it's been
Speaker 4: the opposite. It's been the opposite because what that person
Speaker 4: failed to take an account despite my terrible aspects, is
Speaker 4: they weren't looking at the other avenues. Like one of
Speaker 4: the avenues in my chart is I have areas on
Speaker 4: the seventh house, cusp. And that told me, if I'm assertive,
Speaker 4: I'll never have trouble and I'm very assertive. When I
Speaker 4: see someone I like, I never try letting them know.
Speaker 4: I've never been without somebody interested or in a relationship,
Speaker 4: and I've been with my current partner for over thirty years.
Speaker 4: So it didn't work out the way it's been predicted.
Speaker 4: And by the way, that was not the only astrologer
Speaker 4: who told me that. I had another astrology too who
Speaker 4: was like telling me, basically, I don't understand relationships well,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, I've been in a relationship for years.
Speaker 4: It's very strange because if you look at things from
Speaker 4: a generalization like that, you're not giving people the opportunity
Speaker 4: to express free will. So if I would have done
Speaker 4: my chart for me back in the day, like if
Speaker 4: I was reading for somebody who had a chart like that,
Speaker 4: I'd be looking and say, you know what, you need
Speaker 4: to make very mindful choices about who you have as
Speaker 4: a partner. Make sure you're being discerning, and if you
Speaker 4: are a little assertive and let people know what you feel,
Speaker 4: that's going to really help open you up to possibilities.
Speaker 4: So be assertive, but be discerning. That would be my advice,
Speaker 4: because I wasn't very discerning, by the way, you know,
Speaker 4: so some mistakes were made, but I mean the whole
Speaker 4: way that that could have been interpreted could have really
Speaker 4: been more helpful instead of this doom and glow stuff.
Speaker 4: I can't stand that. That's like telling somebody when you're
Speaker 4: definitely going to be famous, well, you don't know. They
Speaker 4: might choose a different thing. They may have fame in
Speaker 4: their chat, but they may make a different choice. But
Speaker 4: we always have to remember as astrologers and terror readers too,
Speaker 4: prediction is an art form and it always requires we're
Speaker 4: looking at the potential of where this could go, but
Speaker 4: we're always reminding the person that they're in the driver's seat.
Speaker 4: If you don't like where this is going, take a
Speaker 4: different route. But if you like where this is going,
Speaker 4: let's keep going and let's even make it better. So
Speaker 4: that's a chart is potential. It's the same like with
Speaker 4: the Pluto return. You know, the Pluto return for the
Speaker 4: United States came along. We've got our first black president.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh good, I like the way this is going.
Speaker 4: I was pretty excited, and then everything else happened and
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god. The backlash. I didn't expect.
Speaker 4: It was pretty shocking, actually, because initially it looked good.
Speaker 4: I thought, Okay, well this is looking yeah. And what
Speaker 4: I did realize with the Pluto return until after I
Speaker 4: had time to sit with it and study it, was
Speaker 4: the thing that we were going to be dealing with
Speaker 4: was the possible frame of our democracy. And that's where
Speaker 4: we are right now. We're fighting. We're out of our
Speaker 4: Pluto return, but we are fighting for our democracy. That's
Speaker 4: what we got left with. And that's interesting because Pluto
Speaker 4: will often tear something down to the nubs before you
Speaker 4: can rebuild something, so we are down to the nubs,
Speaker 4: and that's what ended up happening. But it certainly looked
Speaker 4: like it was going in a different direction because astrology's
Speaker 4: theory and a lot of astrologers were thinking the same
Speaker 4: thing and wow, yeah, that's so true.
Speaker 1: But urine this might be able to help with that.
Speaker 1: Speaking of urine as changing everything, did you guys see
Speaker 1: the article last week about how they've approved flying cars. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: and they're seeing.
Speaker 4: There's a rotis and gentlemen, I think, right, that's what.
Speaker 1: I was thinking when you were talking and they were
Speaker 1: saying they're going to be available in five years, who knows.
Speaker 4: But I don't like flying, so You're not going to
Speaker 4: see me in one, Samantha.
Speaker 1: Ever, No, I know, I couldn't imagine We'll be in
Speaker 1: the Jetsons.
Speaker 3: And I see Blade Runner and remember the flying cars
Speaker 3: and Blade Running. I remember Blade Runner, Love Blade Runner.
Speaker 3: You know, of course it was Philip Dick who actually
Speaker 3: wrote the book that that came from. The movie is
Speaker 3: actually set in twenty nineteen. I don't remember what year
Speaker 3: it came out, but considerably earlier than that. And you
Speaker 3: look at it now and you think exactly what you're saying, Teresa.
Speaker 3: Here we are really heading into replicants. I mean we've
Speaker 3: seen droids walk down hallways and major places, and now
Speaker 3: we've got flying cars and oh, you know, Octavia Butler.
Speaker 5: Was right, That's all I know to say about that.
Speaker 4: Yes, and even think about Star Trek. I mean where
Speaker 4: they were like talking on these little things in their
Speaker 4: ears and here we are having this conversation. I got
Speaker 4: a little earbod. I mean, my cell phone's like a
Speaker 4: little computer that I can talk to people and see
Speaker 4: their face. Think about that for a second, Star Trek,
Speaker 4: Blade Runner, all these things. But Uran just in Gemini Transportation, Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's flying cars. It's just not going to be me
Speaker 4: and one of those. Nope, I got my little hybrid Toyota.
Speaker 4: I'm sticking with that.
Speaker 3: Very happy to be having. There are very few things
Speaker 3: left one can control, and the steering wheel is one
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 5: The other is old fashioned checks.
Speaker 4: I do too.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I don't.
Speaker 4: That's so funny, Depp, because I was thinking. I was thinking, gee,
Speaker 4: I really need to go to the program and put
Speaker 4: everything online like my kids, and I had my car
Speaker 4: payment down there and I was going to do it,
Speaker 4: and then I hesitated, and I told my husband just
Speaker 4: this morning, you must be a mind reader. I said,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm sticking with checks. I really like writing
Speaker 4: them out. There's something about it, and I want to
Speaker 4: do the.
Speaker 3: Whole thing because it gives me a little illusion of control. Yes,
Speaker 3: and you know, everything's not always online, and it's okay
Speaker 3: with me that it's not.
Speaker 4: I also don't like too many people on an access
Speaker 4: to my bank account. Know me either, I'm weird about it.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, since we have you on here and you
Speaker 1: are the Taro lady, I wanted to ask you deb
Speaker 1: recently tell the story about the card and how you
Speaker 1: never saw that image on the card. I just want
Speaker 1: to know if Teresa has had that experience.
Speaker 3: You know, you and I both have been doing this
Speaker 3: for how many years now, million millionaire.
Speaker 2: That's the four checks were about.
Speaker 3: Exactly Debti.
Speaker 4: Listen, you all don't be judging debitai or old school
Speaker 4: and there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 3: True, exactly true. So I'm looking at the Six of
Speaker 3: Cups the Waite Smith, yeah, version right, And there are
Speaker 3: those two characters there in front of the wall and
Speaker 3: the castle thing in the background behind the gate behind
Speaker 3: the wall, there is a figure walking away and somebody
Speaker 3: pointed it out to me recently and asked me to
Speaker 3: tell them what that meant. And I thought, I don't
Speaker 3: know that I ever paid him any mind. So I
Speaker 3: looked at that and I thought, okay, I don't remember
Speaker 3: ever reading anything about this aspect of this key. So
Speaker 3: I checked your books, I checked Eden Gray, I checked
Speaker 3: a look at Whatevers, and I can't find anything about
Speaker 3: that character.
Speaker 5: What am I missing?
Speaker 4: Okay? Well, you know, the Six of Cumps, first of all,
Speaker 4: has a lot to say about nostalgia or hauling children family,
Speaker 4: and also it has something to say about securities, so
Speaker 4: that can represent the guard who's really guarding the children
Speaker 4: on the garden. So it does have this feeling of
Speaker 4: security and there's protection there. But the guard he's walking away. Well,
Speaker 4: but he might be walking towards the gate. We don't
Speaker 4: no the wonderful thing about I'm grabbing the card here,
Speaker 4: the wonderful thing And so she talk about that little
Speaker 4: guy in the background here exactly. I mean, there's so
Speaker 4: many different ways you can interpret a cards. So we
Speaker 4: can look at it as protection. We can look at
Speaker 4: it as somebody's being asked to leave a situation. It
Speaker 4: depends on the interpretation, you know. But I often see
Speaker 4: him as a guard, especially because he's got that big
Speaker 4: staff in his hand. It can be a symbol of protection.
Speaker 4: It can be a symbol of your safe. You're secure now.
Speaker 4: So oftentimes that is how I interpret that. It's so
Speaker 4: interesting that you said that because recently I was like
Speaker 4: teaching a class and solos talking about the six. We're
Speaker 4: doing the six of Wands for some reason, and someone said,
Speaker 4: did you notice there's a one figure in there who's
Speaker 4: giving the guy on the horse the side eye. I'm like, what,
Speaker 4: I've looked at these cards for how many years? And
Speaker 4: so when you look at it, there's one guy in
Speaker 4: the background who's kind of like looking up like he
Speaker 4: wants to knock him off his high horse. And it
Speaker 4: just open me up to other interpretations. And that's the
Speaker 4: wonderful thing about Terrell. You never stop discovering little things
Speaker 4: in there. So what does this dit? Is he on guard?
Speaker 4: What is he guarding? Is this a parent leaving the
Speaker 4: children in the garden? Is his job done? Is this
Speaker 4: somebody who was told to leave the situation? Did she
Speaker 4: choose this other guy over him? There's so many ways
Speaker 4: you can interpret it, And saying with this card that
Speaker 4: one of the backgrounds was kind of God, what are
Speaker 4: they doing? Are they feeling they should be on that horse?
Speaker 4: Are they envious? Are they looking to do a cool
Speaker 4: We don't know. It's going to depend on the reading
Speaker 4: and the interpretation. But the brilliant thing is we never
Speaker 4: stop discovering things.
Speaker 3: We really don't In fact, I had I did not
Speaker 3: discover this that somebody in one of my courses did
Speaker 3: in the gown that the figure in the temperance key
Speaker 3: is wearing oh the yoke the gown. If you blow
Speaker 3: it up, there's the Hebrew word for yahweh.
Speaker 4: Oh. Really, well, now I've got a look. I did
Speaker 4: not know that me. I love sharing this stuff. We're
Speaker 4: almost learning. And that's the wonderful thing about tarot and astrology.
Speaker 4: For folks who want to really grow your brain, these
Speaker 4: are ways to do it. They're helping you to carve
Speaker 4: new neural and intuitive pathways. Okay, so I'm going to
Speaker 4: have to go. Oh, I see where you're talking. Rights
Speaker 4: on top of the yoke, right across the yoke of
Speaker 4: the gown. The figure I see it. If you enlarge it,
Speaker 4: it's the Hebrew.
Speaker 1: Well. I love about your workbook because you can color
Speaker 1: it in yourself and it makes you kind of highlight
Speaker 1: some of these differences.
Speaker 4: The Tarot coloring book blows it all up. And you
Speaker 4: know the thing is, when I did the Tarot coloring books,
Speaker 4: we're actually going to be working on a reissue of it.
Speaker 4: But when I blew some of those images off, I
Speaker 4: was like, wait a minute, I never saw this before.
Speaker 4: I've been looking at taro for X amount of years.
Speaker 5: What I learned something all the time, And I'm so
Speaker 5: grateful for that, aren't you.
Speaker 4: Yes, I don't want to be stale or stagnant. I
Speaker 4: had an aunt who pass away. She had Alzheimer's. And
Speaker 4: after she passed away, she came to me in a dream.
Speaker 4: And in the dream she was out in the rain
Speaker 4: and I let her in the house. I set her down.
Speaker 4: I was combing her hair, and she said, here's the
Speaker 4: key to Alzheimer's. You have to do something different every day.
Speaker 4: Don't do the same thing every day, and you won't
Speaker 4: get Alzheimer's. And she did everything the same every day,
Speaker 4: the same routine, the same route. I mean, everything was
Speaker 4: the same. He never did anything outside per usual routine.
Speaker 4: So that dream stuck with me. And I always try
Speaker 4: to learn something new, read something different, discover something every
Speaker 4: day because I want my brain to be strong and healthy.
Speaker 4: And that's why I don't like AI.
Speaker 2: What a beautiful message. Wow, absolutely, I love that. I'm
Speaker 2: going to remember that. How do you use to row
Speaker 2: on a daily basis?
Speaker 4: Just for you?
Speaker 2: Just selfishly for Teresa.
Speaker 4: I like my card for the day. I like pulling
Speaker 4: the card for reflection. Sometimes I'll use it for learning,
Speaker 4: sometimes just to engauge the temperature of what's going on,
Speaker 4: and sometimes also by the situation that's really really you know,
Speaker 4: getting under my skin. I reach for the cards. The
Speaker 4: cards not necessarily from prediction, but just to make sure
Speaker 4: that I'm understanding a situation, because when you understand something,
Speaker 4: you're far more likely to deal with it better.
Speaker 3: And don't you find patterns emerging as the days go on,
Speaker 3: you say, oh, look, this is what's.
Speaker 4: Happening here with yes And back when I used to
Speaker 4: read for the public, what was really interesting. I don't
Speaker 4: know if you've had this experience. I would find when
Speaker 4: I was in the middle of a certain thing in
Speaker 4: my life, I suddenly started having clients who had the
Speaker 4: same problem, and they were getting all the same cards
Speaker 4: that I was getting, And I'm like, they're shuffling these cards.
Speaker 4: It's not me shuffling them. Why, It's like we were
Speaker 4: going through it together. It was very weird.
Speaker 1: No, We've talked about that before so many times on
Speaker 1: the show, off the show, and to me, it really
Speaker 1: reflects one of those universal laws of like.
Speaker 2: But it's also made me realize, am I.
Speaker 1: Doing these readings to be of service to others or
Speaker 1: for me? Because so many times I'd be going through
Speaker 1: something in my life, I'd meet clients going through the
Speaker 1: same thing. I'd hear the advice in the cards, I'd
Speaker 1: hear the advice from their guides. I'd hear me saying it,
Speaker 1: and I'd go, oh, dang, that's good, that's helpful.
Speaker 3: It would help me writes for you. You know, some
Speaker 3: years ago I was doing a reading for a friend
Speaker 3: and I laid up a Celtic cross and it made.
Speaker 5: No sense, absolutely whatsoever.
Speaker 3: And so I looked at him and I said, I
Speaker 3: don't know where to go with what's I'll tell you
Speaker 3: what I've got in front of me, but I don't
Speaker 3: know what it means. And he was also a reader,
Speaker 3: and he looked at me and he shook his head
Speaker 3: and he said, trade seats with me, and I said wow.
Speaker 3: But we switched sides of the table and he did
Speaker 3: the reading for me, and it.
Speaker 5: Was I mean, it was right there in front of us.
Speaker 4: I love stories like that, isn't I think? Oh yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean that's why Tara was so magical. You know,
Speaker 4: we come into it with this curiosity. It shows us things,
Speaker 4: and sometimes it shows us the one thing we don't expect,
Speaker 4: and it can play with us, it can trick us,
Speaker 4: and it's never going to bore us, never, never, never.
Speaker 2: You're just so inspiring.
Speaker 1: And I want everyone to hear again that you started
Speaker 1: this prolific writing career in your fifties.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 1: I mean that's fifth an all list in the show
Speaker 1: notes all of your books.
Speaker 2: What are you working on now?
Speaker 4: Well, I just turned in manuscript number ten. It's a
Speaker 4: book I'm writing. I'm very excited about it because I've
Speaker 4: got all kinds of little things I do for writing,
Speaker 4: so I'm going to be excited to share my processes
Speaker 4: with the world. That book is coming out next year,
Speaker 4: next May. It's called The Magic Pen, so you're going
Speaker 4: to want to keep an eye on that.
Speaker 1: Wait, have we seen glimpses of that and some of
Speaker 1: your soft post?
Speaker 4: Oh on my subject post, I might have mentioned it. Okay,
Speaker 4: if you have.
Speaker 1: One about writing for the metaphysical market.
Speaker 4: Yep, that's so good. I have a substack called the
Speaker 4: Metaphysical Author's Confident, and it really is all about writing,
Speaker 4: and I interview different you know, like metaphysical authors. I
Speaker 4: talk about things like you know how to spell, and
Speaker 4: also about marketing. Marketing is very important and the publishing process.
Speaker 4: Sometimes I'll cavatch about things that are happening in the
Speaker 4: publishing world and how it affects us as metaphysical authors.
Speaker 4: So I wanted to give a resource for people who
Speaker 4: are writing metaphysical books.
Speaker 3: Will you say the name of the substec again, Teresa Plas.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the subject is called the Metaphysical Author's Confidential.
Speaker 3: I have a new book coming out next year too. Ooh,
Speaker 3: I'm going to subscribe to you just from stack.
Speaker 4: Thank you. What's your new book.
Speaker 3: The new book looks at how we work our way
Speaker 3: through a course of a year with working with the
Speaker 3: elements and the directions.
Speaker 4: Amazing. Congratulations, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: Congratulations to you because this is such a great book. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll definitely post it all over social media. But I
Speaker 1: think everyone's going to get a lot out of this
Speaker 1: and if they are new to astrology, mention your first
Speaker 1: book on astrology.
Speaker 4: Yes, the first book on astrology is called Astrology for
Speaker 4: Real Life. Actually I got a little copy setting right here.
Speaker 4: The Astrology for Real Life will give you all the basics.
Speaker 4: I have another book called Twister Fate, which combines taro
Speaker 4: in Astrology for Success. It's a very helpful book that's
Speaker 4: a little more advanced, and it's going to give you
Speaker 4: applied astrology and applied terrell. And then the Book of
Speaker 4: Astrological terms is all about that pattern recognition so that
Speaker 4: once again we can move with the cycles and not
Speaker 4: swim extreme, but move with the currents for our best lives.
Speaker 5: Wonderful.
Speaker 2: I love that. Thank you so much for coming on
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 1: Definitely want to have you back on even before the
Speaker 1: tenth book is coming out, but definitely when your writing
Speaker 1: book comes out. Any events you want to.
Speaker 4: Promote Right now, I'm hitting the road May twenty third,
Speaker 4: and I'm going to be at the Boston Tea Room
Speaker 4: in Ferndale, Michigan, find his Metaphysical Shock in the Michigan area.
Speaker 4: And on June twentieth, I'm going to be in Ipschwitz, Massachusetts.
Speaker 4: I said that write a title Passages Bookshop, and June
Speaker 4: twenty first at the Copper Dog Bookstore in Beverly, Massachusetts.
Speaker 4: So those are all the things I'm going to be doing.
Speaker 4: And then once I get back home, I am going
Speaker 4: to be teaching a class called Astrology Made Simple. It's
Speaker 4: a five week live class on Zoom and you're going
Speaker 4: to get all the foundational information so that way when
Speaker 4: an astrologer says Jupiter's retrograde, you know what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: Dev Leady to sign up for that.
Speaker 5: We do, Samantha, we sure did.
Speaker 4: It's a fun class.
Speaker 5: It'll be fun.
Speaker 2: I love it. Thank you so so much.
Speaker 3: It's sorry, such a joy to talk to you, and
Speaker 3: we are so honored to have your time with us.
Speaker 3: And congratulations on this book. I hope it snes really
Speaker 3: really well.
Speaker 4: Thank you. I hope it makes an impact. And thank
Speaker 4: you so much for having me. This has been a
Speaker 4: pleasure anytime. I'm always ready to jam with you. Tue,
Speaker 4: oh God.
Speaker 1: Weird, truly truly fans. Thank you guys so so much
Speaker 1: for listening. We hope you have a beautiful week where
Speaker 1: all the stars align perfectly for you. Be the light
Speaker 1: for yourself and others.
Speaker 5: Take care everyone.
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