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Speaker 1: Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is

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Speaker 3: Did it seem strange to you that you were taking

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human flesh inside into the top.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Sword and Scale, a show that reveals that

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On October fourth, twenty twenty one, firefighters rush to three

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eighty six Moon Valley Road in Dallas County, Missouri. The

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name sounds like it should be printed on a postcard.

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Moon Valley makes you think of a serene getaway with

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cozy cabins and campfires. In reality, Moon Valley Road is

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a boring strip of gravel that cuts through dense ozark woods.

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These trees are so thick that they almost block out

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the sky when you look up from the ground. The

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nights are so dark you can't see your hand in

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front of you. There are no street lights, no neighbors

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in sight, only the kind of isolation where bad things

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happen without anyone noticing. By the time they get there,

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the fire is already out of control. Nothing on the

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property can be salvaged. Flames shoot out of every building

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and don't stop burning until they've destroyed them all. After

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the fires are finally out, a Dallas County deputy steps

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onto the property. The ground is soft and sooty with

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wet ash. The black mud sticks to his boots, and

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smoke is seeping from the rubble. The cabin is a

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shell now, with the roof collapsed and the windows blown

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out out. The outbuildings are mostly gone. In the middle

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of the cabin's rubble stands a lone familiar piece of furniture,

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a bathtub. The deputy wades through the debris, scanning with

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a flashlight. Then his beam catches a wire, stretched tight,

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almost invisible, still attached to two scorched posts. He freezes

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it's a trip wire. He knows that if he moves

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the wrong way he could trigger it and blow them

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all to pieces. His eyes follow it carefully, and his

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focus is locked on the wire until it leads to

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a device buried in the rubble. They call the bomb squad,

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who detonates one device on site and removes two more.

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These are homemade bombs. The fire marshal will make the

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easy call. This was arson.

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Speaker 5: Scarce but solid details being released on what could have

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caused a late night fire on Moon Valley Road hours

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before Cassidy Rainwater suspected kidnappers were due in court. A

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cabin where James Phelps and Timothy Norton had been living

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burned to the ground. A report obtained by Ozarks First

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Today shows the Springfield bomb squad discovered not one, but

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two explosive devices among the ashes, and while it doesn't

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say whether the fire was set intentionally, it does list

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what equipment was taken by investigators. The report calls them

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incendiary devices made with mortar tubes, balloons, and coiled fuses

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with a trip wire attached. A Springfield fire marshal says

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one of the explosives was detonated on site, but what

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happened to the second device has not yet been released.

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Speaker 1: The Missouri Ozarks cover more than forty thousand square miles

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of rough isolated country, over half the state and twice

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the size of Switzerland. The Ozarks aren't a true mountain range,

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but a high ancient plateau of limestone carved over millions

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of years. These limestone hills fold into deep valleys, Caves

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run for miles underground, and rivers disappear into sinkholes without

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a trace, and a lot of the roads are narrow

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and surrounded by woods. What goes on in the hollows

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is anyone's guests. Tourists come here for the fishing, cabins,

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float trips, and lake towns, but the Ozarks have another side.

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Civil War confederates use these woods to disappear and then

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ambush their enemies. Prohibition gangs built stills so far back

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in the timber that no one dared to go there.

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Math cooks and armed weed growers still guard their territory

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like they're at war. And then there are the legends

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weird lights moving through the trees with no source, numerous

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bigfoot sightings, and whispers of feral people living in the

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back country. Out here, it's easy to go missing, and

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even easier to stay that way. Thirty three year old

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Cassidy rainwater didn't just disappear all at once. It happened

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slowly and under the radar, the kind of missing person's

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case that didn't start with a nine to one one call,

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but with a gap in contact that kept getting longer.

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Speaker 6: Cassidy was a free spirited girl, loud.

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Speaker 7: If she walked in a room, everybody knew she was there,

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Speaker 8: Had a beautiful soul.

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Speaker 1: She was born on June ninth, nineteen eighty eight, near Lebanon, Missouri. Officially,

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Cassidy's parents were Clifford Welch and Tracy Wawasuck, but she

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went by Rainwater, a Native American name tied to someone

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in her past, her grandfather, who happened to own land

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on Moon Valley Road, near where she was last seen.

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Cassidy had her first child with a high school boyfriend

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named Ben. The couple tried to make it work for

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the sake of their baby, but they chose to put

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them up for adoption at some point. Regardless, she and

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Ben remained on good terms. Later, she remarried and had

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other children with that partner. Reports say that she was

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still legally married in twenty twenty one, but living apart.

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By the summer of twenty twenty one, Cassidy's life was unsettled.

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She'd been moving between places looking for stability. Her first partner, Ben,

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remembered being worried about her.

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Speaker 9: She was in a bad way, like at that time.

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Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure she was homeless, and she and I

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were talking and was just like, you come to Kansas City,

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we'll get things figured out.

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Speaker 1: Searching for a place to stay eventually led her to

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a small property on Moon Valley Road, a remote rental

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cabin occupied by sixty year old him Phelps and owned

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by a man named John. John Nucassidy's grandparents and suggested

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she talk with the guy living there. Jim, living in

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the cabin, had a soft spot for taking in women

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and girls, but none of them ever said anything negative

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about him.

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Speaker 10: Okay, Jim, it's a friend. Once again. He let me

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stay with him from time to time when I was

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having a hard time.

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Speaker 3: I have a lot of health problems, so it's.

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Speaker 10: Hard for me to work, which is why I'm getting

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a job to where I work on my own time.

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Speaker 7: Now. Seems like in the podcast, but.

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Speaker 10: Jim, he was really kind. He was a sweet guy.

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But when I met him, he was a really kind guy.

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Speaker 11: He was caring, He was really nice.

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Speaker 10: No sexual relations, not like that out there. I mean,

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I've met Jim's family, I've met Tim's family. They know me,

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I know them.

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Speaker 1: Amanda didn't just stumbled into this story. Her paths here

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started months earlier when she met fifty six year old

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Tim Norton, Jim's best friend. Amanda met Tim through a

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friend who was engaged to his nephew and living there.

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At the time. Amanda was between homes, so she moved

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into Tim's trailer, which, by all accounts was a disgusting

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pig pen. Tim was a long haul trucker and Amanda

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sometimes went along for the ride. Other times she acted

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like his personal dispatcher or helped with his finances. People

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assumed they were a couple. Amanda says, that's ridiculous. He

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was too old for her. According to Amanda, she was

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just helping him in exchange for a place to live.

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I mean, he was fifty six and she was nineteen.

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Nothing to see here. Right months later, Amanda's living situation

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shifted again. The chaos of everyone living in the trailer

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wore her down. Tim suggested she go and stay at

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his buddy, Jim's cabin for a while, so she did.

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On paper, it sounded like a quiet escape, a rural

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place with a name that could pass for a weekend getaway,

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but this was no campground. The cabin sat isolated, hidden

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from the road, with sheds of outbuildings scattered across the property.

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Amanda says her time there was temporary, but her connections

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with Jim and Tim were already cemented and they were

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about to become a lot more than casual acquaintances. Let's

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circle back to Cassidy Rainwater. Amanda knew who she was

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because their time at Jim's cabin overlapped. Amanda remembered meeting her.

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Speaker 3: I met her once.

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Speaker 10: Me and Jim went over there because I had some

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mail to hook up, because that's when I melt Millan

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addresses right.

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Speaker 11: Know, and her didn't really talk.

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Speaker 12: She didn't She was kind of.

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Speaker 10: Quiet, which I get a new person.

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Speaker 11: I'm quiet too with new people, But.

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Speaker 10: She didn't really talk. She kind of stayed to herself,

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and whenever I went to go do something in my car,

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and when I came back in, she had told Jim

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that she wanted to leave, that she wasn't comfortable those

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two many people. Jim didn't tell her that people were coming.

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Speaker 3: Over and she wasn't comfortable with this.

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Speaker 10: It was just me, Jim, Tim and her.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't exactly a warm welcome. Cassidy, like Amanda,

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wasn't looking for new friends. You could say both women

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had retreated to the cabin for the same reason, to

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escape drama and conflict and piece themselves back together. The

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problem was that the place was starting to feel less

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like an isolated hideout and more like the worst kind

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of Airbnb, the kind where the host keeps allowing more

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guests to book the place without telling you. According to Amanda,

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the two tried to stay out of each other's way.

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This was around mid July twenty twenty one. By the

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time Cassidy went missing in late August, Amanda had already

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moved out.

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Speaker 10: I didn't really I tried not to get involved in

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too much because I just I can't pay you bees.

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Just I was like, I looked at him and I said, so,

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how is Cassady doing? Because I was just kind of

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curious because I know she's been struggling with some stuff

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and I was in He was like, I don't know.

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She left in the middle of night. I like, oh,

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And then later I found out this she's missing. How

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you know? God until I read the article and I'm like, oh,

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this suff happened, and then I said it. In the

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back of my mind, it was like that could have

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been me.

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Speaker 1: In August, a friend noticed that it had been about

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six weeks since anyone had seen Cassidy. She was reported missing.

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The last person to admit seeing her was Jim. It

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wasn't the police who made the first big move in

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the case. It was the FBI, after someone sent them

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an email with photographs labeled Cassidy. The first one showed

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a topless woman in a cage, and whoever sent it

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made sure the FBI knew exactly where to find her,

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or at least what was left of her. In the

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summer of twenty twenty one, Jim Phelps was living in

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a small cabin on Moon Valley Road, a patch of

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rural Missouri surrounded by dense ozark woods. He was a quiet,

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reclusive person who spent most of his time at the cabin.

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His closest friend, Tim Norton, was a long haul trucker,

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also with a habit of keeping to himself, and yet somehow,

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women kept finding their way to that cabin. One was

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a nineteen year old woman named Amanda. She also stayed

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at the cabin for a few weeks after life became

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too crowded at Tim's place, Cassidy Rainwater, whose life was unraveling,

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had come to the cabin searching for solitude and some

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kind of sanctuary. Like Amanda, she was private, guarded, not

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quick to share her world. Their paths only crossed briefly

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before Amanda moved out. A few weeks later, Cassidy was

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gone too, but unlike Amanda, she didn't choose her next destination.

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She simply disappeared. After six weeks with no sign of her,

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she was reported missing by a family member. The last

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person to have seen her was Jim Phelps. One night,

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deputies drove out to Moon Valley Road. The cabin was

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lit only by a porch bulb and their headlights. Otherwise

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it was an opaque kind of darkness. They knocked, asking

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Jim where Cassidy was.

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Speaker 8: Haii Sheriff's office?

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Speaker 10: How howdye?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Is a Cassidy here?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 1: No, I was seen her in Wait?

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Speaker 8: Really, well, I'm trying to check on her.

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Speaker 7: You know her?

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Speaker 8: You know Cassidy?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I know, Well, I've been trying to check on her.

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Speaker 1: Jim Phelps over six feet tall, bald, with glasses and

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a white Beard came to the cabin door, wearing only

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jeans and a dog tag around his neck. He looked

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do you want to look at Oh? No, she's not here.

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She's not here. She's not in any trouble. They're just

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worried about her. Do you know maybe where she's at?

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Speaker 7: Last I heard she was going to Colorado?

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Speaker 8: Going to Colorado? Yeah, Oh, do you know what's over there?

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She never told you?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: How long?

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Speaker 3: How long ago?

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Speaker 13: Was that?

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Speaker 7: All right?

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Speaker 8: Well, if she comes back, or if she comes and busys,

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shed appreciate if you'd call us so we can tell,

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you know, tell her family that she's okay. So all right, Well,

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I guess.

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Speaker 10: I'll be out of here.

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Speaker 1: You mean to tell me that. In the whole time

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Cassidy was staying there under his roof, he didn't even

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have her phone number. Come on. Just a few weeks later,

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on September sixteenth, twenty twenty one, an anonymous email lands

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in the FBI's tip line inbox. Attached are pictures, all

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labeled with the same name Cassidy. The first picture stops

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the FBI agent cold. It's a woman in a cage,

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blonde hair bear from the waist up, crouched in the

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cage with her knees pulled tightly against her chest. She

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has a vacant stare in between and the steel bars.

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He sees the room behind. This is a large animal cage,

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but it's inside a room. It's inside someone's house. He

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clicks to the next frame, and the scenery is outside

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old weather sheds, piles of scrap, and a tall metal frame.

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To most people it's nothing, but he's seen enough hunting

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setups to know what this is. A deer gantry. The

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details fall into place in his head, the wood grain

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on the walls, the layout of the yard and all

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of its clutter. Whoever sent him this email wasn't trying

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to hide anything. They wanted him to know exactly where

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this was. And as he stares at the screen, one

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thought is very clear. Whatever is happening out there on

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Moon Valley Road, it's probably already too late to stop it.

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On the same day, Dallas County detectives get a warrant

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and show up in broad daylight. They want to compare

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the scenery to the photos this time, the officer stops

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the car halfway up the gravel lane when he sees

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Jim's dog on a long leash, and then spots Jim

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walking slowly across the yard. Now he's fully clothed, but

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still is nonchalant as last time. Nope, I haven't seen her.

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Speaker 12: Hello, how you doing okay? Yeah, uh well, I was

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just following up with you on Cassidy and it's been once.

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Speaker 3: It been a couple of weeks since we've been here, and.

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Speaker 12: We haven't heard a peep out over you know, So

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I'm just gonna see maybe you'd heard anything out of

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her or anything extra. You can send us to do

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follow ups arm some We're coming up pretty.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 12: He doesn't like it, does he?

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Speaker 1: Actually, he wants you to play with him. Oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 12: The the last time I was here, I was walking

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by him and.

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Speaker 7: He grabbed hold of me.

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Speaker 12: I didn't know if he was trying to play or.

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 1: The dog looks well cared for. So does Jim actually,

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but as unbothered as he seems, his posture says a lot.

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While his voice is easy, his words are compliant. He

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almost immediately folds his arms tightly across his chest. They

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call that a defensive posture.

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Speaker 7: Jim.

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Speaker 12: The last time I was here, let me get a

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piece of paper. I uh, I got to do a

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big report on it and stuff, and I have, Jim felt,

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but I won't have any room for it.

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Speaker 1: I just wonder if I get that from you? Okay,

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Jim Phelps?

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Speaker 7: Is it Jim James Eliot Man.

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Speaker 1: James Philps.

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Speaker 7: What's your data? Birth January thirteen sixty three.

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Speaker 1: If you pay close attention, Jim is getting increasingly anxious.

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Listen for his nervous laugh.

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Speaker 7: I guess you know your social.

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Speaker 14: Media thirteen years in military? Yeah, I know, Yeah, you

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remember those things after that, long after the.

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Speaker 1: First day or so.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, remember you remember it.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to have to go back there dig

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it out?

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Speaker 3: What's that number again?

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Speaker 14: I remember going to go through MEPs.

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Speaker 3: It was like, because I didn't know mine, I had

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my car. It's like every time I turned around, I

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was digging it out.

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Speaker 5: By the end of that day.

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Speaker 12: I had it by the end of the first day,

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rattled it off without a problem.

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Speaker 1: And you still can't today.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 12: There was a picture that I had come across of

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Cassidy and I was wondering if it was done here,

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would you mind if I looked at your backyard? In

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my backyard, Yeah, there's a picture taken over with a

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stump in the background. Do you have anything like that in.

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Speaker 4: The back yard.

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Speaker 7: I don't have a stump.

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Speaker 4: Stump.

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Speaker 12: You might have to take a look recruiting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, back, here's my boy.

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Speaker 1: Jim tries to brush it off, saying the only thing

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back there is this hoist. But once they step into

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the yard, it's like walking right into the pictures themselves

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three D now, not just images on a page. The hoist,

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the clutter, the leaning sheds, every detail of the image

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lines up.

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Speaker 12: Get up against that truck right now. Get your hands

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on that truck. Do not fuck with me. Get up

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there on that truck, on the truck, hands behind your back.

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Speaker 4: What's going on?

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Speaker 7: Kay?

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Speaker 12: Going on, mister Phelps? Yeah, the right to remain silent.

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Anything you say cannon willbeasies against you in a court

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of law.

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Speaker 1: You know how the rest of that goes. In fact,

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you probably have it memorized.

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Speaker 12: You understand your rights. Yeah, Okay, what's going on right now?

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You're under arrest for the homicide of Cassidy Rainwater.

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Speaker 3: What's the app of my dog.

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Speaker 7: We'll talk about that in just a little bit.

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Speaker 1: To understand who Jim Phelps was, you have to hear

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from John Warren. He's the man who actually owned the

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cabin on Moon Valley Road. He wasn't just a landlord.

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He was family. He was Jim Phelps's brother in law

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and rented property to Jim for a mere two hundred

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dollars a month plus utilities. Keep in mind the place

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was no mansion. This guy also knew Cassidy because her grandfather,

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Bill Rainwater, used to be his neighbor.

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Speaker 3: So that's when you met Cassie. When she's a kid.

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Speaker 4: She was just who came out of the film one day.

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Speaker 2: I kind of find out about two years later her

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mother disappeared, and about twenty years later who had done it?

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Speaker 4: Him? When how it happened that her boyfriend meet her

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death and put her in.

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Speaker 2: A box and to grew out in a very in

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shallow gray on the intro. Found that out twenty years later.

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Speaker 4: Where was that over Lukely again?

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Speaker 3: Who was your boyfriend?

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Speaker 4: I don't know. Bill told me about it.

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Speaker 1: In other words, John Warren wasn't just Jim Phelps landlord

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and brother in law. He was linked to all of them.

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He tied Jim to the property, and he tied Cassidy

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to a family history already marked by violence. Her mother's murder,

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hidden for twenty years, had only come to light a

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few years before Cassidy herself would disappear. John said Cassidy

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was going through a hard time. Finding out her mother

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was murdered was probably part of that, and so he

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and his wife were trying to help her.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, robbing head and that you go to sut

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because now you get.

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Speaker 7: It.

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Speaker 1: Seemed like John Warren was kind of a grandfather to Cassidy.

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He tried to help her, but she stole from his wife,

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and he continued trying to help a recovering addict. He

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told Jim Phelps that to use his property there was

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a zero tolerance policy for drugs. He told Cassidy the

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same thing before he allowed her to stay on the

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property with Jim. By the time Cassidy was staying there,

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Amanda had already been in and out of the cabin.

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Their time overlapped, and Amanda remembered Cassidy as quiet and uneasy,

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not comfortable with strangers coming around. Apparently, John, the property

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owner felt the same way. Yet another friend of Tim's

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was making herself at home without getting permission and this little.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 4: Not got anything on wast uh.

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Speaker 2: And I said you might want to us mom on

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hood if are you And she told me.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm Tim's friend.

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Speaker 2: Well, Tams friends, you need to use your ass down

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here and get your.

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Speaker 4: Stuff back your lean because does not are the deal orderstand.

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Speaker 2: He's a caplace, he's working there.

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Speaker 15: All week and she's staying there. Desn't try to find out?

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Uh recent that they called me Jim was in the.

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Speaker 4: Hospital and just person was in the.

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Speaker 2: Camps getting you out of there as as she walked

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out door locked on the door because of MS in

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my hospital and kill as the other key.

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Speaker 3: Jim's at the hospital and you kt Tim's friend out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a friend out and uh that was an amazing thing.

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Kim was able to come down and pick her up.

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And he was supposed to be there until two or

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three days m h. And imagine that he actually was

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able to show up a couple of hours later.

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Speaker 1: None of this was sitting well with John. He made

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it clear he didn't like Tim hanging around the property.

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Tim always seemed to be lurking around the corner, quick

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to show up, always in Jim's shadow. John said he

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never wanted him out there in the first place. Meanwhile,

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on September sixteenth, Jim was already in custody. Deputies sit

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him down and ask about Cassidy. He doesn't give them much.

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He sticks to his story. She talked about going to Colorado.

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She left in the middle of the night, someone picked

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her up, and he hadn't seen her since. When they press,

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he deflects, even whining about his dog, and then he

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shuts up completely. He wants a lawyer, he says. Investigators

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still have an angle. Though his friend Tim Norton, it

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seems pretty clear he's a big player in whatever happened

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to Cassidy, and if he isn't an active participant, he

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at least knows stuff, a lot of stuff. Detectives bring

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him into another room. Compared to Jim, he is easier prey.

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Where Jim had clammed up, Tim talked so much that

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he couldn't hold his story straight for more than five minutes.

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At first, he flat out to nies knowing anything about

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Cassidy's disappearance. He says he didn't see her, doesn't know

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what happened and doesn't have a clue. But when asked

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about her relationship with Jim, he's got a lot to say.

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Speaker 3: Were they in a sexual relationship?

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Speaker 9: Not that I know him. I know he talked about that.

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She said she was going to do certain things, well,

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that she would spend night and you'll sleep with him

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and stuff. I'm lord, I know nothing ever happened, because

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he always he was always aggravated after she left because

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she didn't knew she said she was going to do that.

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Speaker 3: Okay. So so it's your understanding that Jim thought that

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the two of them may at some point we have

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a romantic or sexual relationship, Okay, but you don't think

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it ever happened based on non Okay.

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Speaker 1: Both Jim and Tim were annoyed with Cassidy for different reasons,

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but the property owner kept sticking up for her.

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Speaker 3: I didn't like her, Okay. What about Jim?

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Speaker 9: He do he tolerated because of John.

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Speaker 3: He tolerated her because of John and John again being

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the person who owns the property.

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Speaker 9: Jim tried to keep her eye on the property for

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a while. After a while after she's thrown the rings, Okay,

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but she would go to John and get John. Okay, ever,

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come out there and stay into Kevin. Jim hands her tighten.

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Speaker 1: They believe John when he said she had stolen jewelry

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from his wife, but John was willing to forgive her.

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But later a collection of Tim's knives went missing from

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00:31:43,599 --> 00:31:48,400
the cabin, and Tim blamed Cassidy. Tim and Jim's plan

475
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:53,920
escalated quickly. What started as talk of confronting her turned

476
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:59,000
into restraining her and ended with killing her. By that point,

477
00:31:59,079 --> 00:32:02,599
Cassidy had already spent time locked inside a dog cage.

478
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 3: How did that progress?

479
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 7: That one?

480
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:05,839
Speaker 3: I do believe.

481
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,279
Speaker 9: Progressed with him saying he wanted her dead?

482
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 3: Okay, I was about.

483
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 9: To tell you that she was accusing me and or

484
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:18,440
mister Fellows of kidnapping her or killing her, or I'm

485
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:19,640
not sure exactly what she was.

486
00:32:21,319 --> 00:32:24,519
Speaker 1: Cassidy accused them outright of kidnapping her and planning to

487
00:32:24,599 --> 00:32:29,160
kill her, and that, according to Tim, pissed Jim off

488
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:29,799
even more.

489
00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 3: And so during that planning process between you and mister Phelps,

490
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,200
was anyone else ever a part of that?

491
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,079
Speaker 9: Yes, there was one version, one time, maybe two times.

492
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,319
Speaker 14: M No was there.

493
00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:45,599
Speaker 3: Her name was Amanda.

494
00:32:45,559 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: Golly, don't let Amanda's small baby voice fool you into

495
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,440
thinking she was innocent. She insisted she wasn't his girlfriend.

496
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,079
He was too old for her, she had her age limits,

497
00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:04,359
no X, nothing to see here. But she was much

498
00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:08,880
more involved than she said.

499
00:33:09,599 --> 00:33:13,519
Speaker 3: Fellows Kidd, neithers have ever talked about folks.

500
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,279
Speaker 10: They talked about, you know, like hunting stuff like that,

501
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:23,799
like deer and stuff, fish, fishing and stuff like that,

502
00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:30,960
but never killing anyone.

503
00:33:26,759 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 4: How about yea.

504
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 10: They made jokes, They're like, oh, she's pretty, I'll take

505
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,000
her home. They kind of stopped, but you know, I

506
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:41,119
never thought anything of it, because, like I said, when

507
00:33:41,119 --> 00:33:43,359
I'm a beast human they were sweet men. They were

508
00:33:43,359 --> 00:33:44,680
really nice. They were carried.

509
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: But their jokes may not have been jokes at all.

510
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:54,519
I mean, who jokes about that. Detectives were already onto

511
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:58,240
the fact that they weren't joking. They had text messages

512
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,640
and Facebook dialogue between the two of them. If there

513
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,440
was any doubt about how dark Jim and Tim's conversations got,

514
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,719
the messages they sent each other erased it. Jim told

515
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,960
Tim flat out, you.

516
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,639
Speaker 7: Need to bring me a woman. I don't care where

517
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:16,199
you get her.

518
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: Tim didn't push back. He asked, where do you want

519
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,719
me to get her? Jim's answer was as casual as

520
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:26,679
it was chilling.

521
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,159
Speaker 7: Parking lots are good. Big lots is a good place

522
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:34,639
to people watch. I can watch women all day.

523
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: And it didn't stop there. Jim bragged, I've.

524
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 7: Been watching the girls in town. One day, I'm going

525
00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:44,559
to have one tied up out here.

526
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: Then came the line that made investigator's stomachs turn.

527
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,199
Speaker 7: I want fresh meat, you know what I mean?

528
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: We hear at Sorinscale, did a little digging and found

529
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,840
someone who almost got caught up and Tim Norton's web

530
00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:03,639
This is red.

531
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:09,199
Speaker 16: So my name is Lauren. I at the time was

532
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:14,159
in college in twenty twenty one. I believe I can't

533
00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:16,400
remember what month he got arrested, but I do remember

534
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:21,199
that it was about two weeks after I had met him.

535
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,000
After I had met Timothy, I was working at a

536
00:35:26,039 --> 00:35:29,960
Buffalo Wild Wings in like middle of nowhere college town,

537
00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:35,119
South Georgia. But whenever I was there, I had the

538
00:35:35,159 --> 00:35:39,400
patio section in the morning, which was typically nobody was

539
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:42,400
really out there, and so I was just trying to

540
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,760
make conversations see if I could get a tip, and

541
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:50,719
he didn't really want anything from me, but he wanted

542
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,639
to talk more than I think most people want to

543
00:35:54,679 --> 00:35:58,280
talk to their waitress. And when he had come through,

544
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,760
he had said something about being a truck driver from Missouri.

545
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: Ren described Tim as looking much older than his fifties

546
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,239
and having what she described as a strangely flat face.

547
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,440
The conversation started somewhat normally.

548
00:36:14,199 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 16: He started off asking if I like my job, and

549
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,199
I said, not really, but it pays the bills. He

550
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,079
had told me I should get a rich boyfriend so

551
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,280
I don't have to work this job anymore, and he

552
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,679
wouldn't let a woman work like that, And that's when

553
00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:34,519
it started getting kind of weird. But it got creepy

554
00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:37,480
when he started asking me if we had any cameras

555
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,559
in the parking lots and what time I got off work.

556
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: The text messages alone suggested that Tim and Jim were

557
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,639
a team, just as they'd always been. There's not a

558
00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:53,119
lot of information out there about who they were, but

559
00:36:53,199 --> 00:36:57,400
they described each other as brothers. Within the team, it

560
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,719
seemed Tim was the scout, or maybe more like a

561
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:05,559
predatory lion, hunting during the day and bringing the kill

562
00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:06,440
back to share.

563
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,079
Speaker 16: He had ended up telling me that he was a

564
00:37:10,119 --> 00:37:13,360
truck driver from Missouri, and he knew I seventy five

565
00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:16,880
like the back of his hand. And like when I

566
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,320
say that it sounded like a threat. Sometimes people don't

567
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,280
understand what I mean. But the way that he looked

568
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,800
at me and the tone that he said it was like,

569
00:37:28,039 --> 00:37:31,559
I know where I'm going. I don't need to leave

570
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:33,360
a trail to tell you I was there.

571
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 3: It was just it was weird.

572
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 16: And the way that he looked at me and also

573
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,599
at a lot of the other girls that were working there,

574
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,199
just seemed very predatory.

575
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: We haven't even scratched the surface here. Back at the investigation,

576
00:37:51,679 --> 00:37:54,719
detectives had a broad idea of what actually went on

577
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,719
the day that Tim and Jim decided to make Cassidy

578
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:03,039
go away. Still, they had no idea how many details

579
00:38:03,039 --> 00:38:06,639
Tim would give them, and it all corroborated what Amanda

580
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,840
was finally revealing, however minimized, she presented herself.

581
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 6: I tell you, he didn't tell me he killed her, No,

582
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,760
but I know that they were jokes made.

583
00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 10: The jokes that were made was that if they were

584
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,719
to kill someone, they would cut them up in the little.

585
00:38:31,519 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 1: Pisis that I'm in the Woods. Good joke, right.

586
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:44,559
Speaker 11: He never told me he killed her as far as

587
00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:51,719
I came, but he never told me. Yes, we need

588
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,280
to trying to remember that conversation.

589
00:38:54,679 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 3: If we had a conversation.

590
00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:00,599
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but if someone told me

591
00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:03,800
they wanted to get rid of somebody and then joked

592
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,360
about how if they did it, they'd cut them into

593
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:11,960
little pieces. I kind of remember that. But oh wait,

594
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:17,559
just kidding. She did remember, Oh my god, I did.

595
00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:23,199
Speaker 10: She was talking about how she had stolen something from

596
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:30,599
him and that he had he had helped restrain her

597
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:37,960
and die him and Jim like Apparently Jim looked at her,

598
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,239
and Cassie looked at him and said why.

599
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:41,559
Speaker 11: He said, because you said that.

600
00:39:41,639 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 10: I wouldn't that I've done it before. I didn't think

601
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:46,639
anything of that.

602
00:39:47,639 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 11: Oh my god, I thought.

603
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 17: He was joking.

604
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:55,599
Speaker 7: I seriously did.

605
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:02,119
Speaker 10: Did me thinking it was a joke?

606
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:02,679
Speaker 7: Is? Yes?

607
00:40:06,039 --> 00:40:07,639
Speaker 11: Uh, she's getting here.

608
00:40:09,079 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: I guess it was all too easy for Amanda to

609
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,159
play dumb when the story lined up exactly with what

610
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,960
Tim admitted to telling her. Unlike Amanda, Tim didn't have

611
00:40:22,039 --> 00:40:26,840
the luxury of hiding behind just joking. When detectives pushed

612
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,639
the thin wall denial cracked first to slip, then a fragment,

613
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,119
and then a flood. What he finally confessed, piece by

614
00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:39,760
piece is the kind of thing you can't unhear.

615
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,079
Speaker 3: Okay, eight o'clock in the morning on in the in

616
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:49,199
late July. So the sun is up, sun, okay, bright

617
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,159
up in there with that, okay, so you can see,

618
00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:56,519
you think you can see clearly, okay. And and the

619
00:40:56,559 --> 00:41:00,519
person whose legs that you grabbed, it was cassidy ing water. Okay,

620
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,360
all right, So you you had you were holding your legs.

621
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,119
You you already described how you knelt down and were

622
00:41:06,159 --> 00:41:08,079
holding her knees I think is what you said.

623
00:41:08,159 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, right out of the right under her knee area.

624
00:41:11,159 --> 00:41:11,639
Speaker 3: Okay.

625
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 9: So he did mootibilized all of her leg I mean,

626
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,559
I've got enough training and stuff and I don't know

627
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:18,119
how to do that.

628
00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 3: And then and then what did Jim do?

629
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,599
Speaker 9: Well there again because I had my head down, but

630
00:41:26,679 --> 00:41:29,840
I really didn't see what he originally started doing. I

631
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,559
did look up, and he was trying to get the

632
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:37,000
bag of her head. Not not this way, just this way.

633
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 4: And she was.

634
00:41:42,199 --> 00:41:45,199
Speaker 9: I mean say she was yelling, but she was talking

635
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,480
a little louder than normal, okay, asking why? Why? Why?

636
00:41:50,199 --> 00:41:53,079
And that's when I looked at him to see what

637
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:57,719
he was gonna say, and I seen his eyes and

638
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,440
at that point, I told you, at that point, I

639
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:04,519
wasn't sure about my life.

640
00:42:04,679 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 1: At first, Tim said he just held her legs well.

641
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:12,360
Jim used a bag and then his hands. But as

642
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:17,360
the questions kept coming, the details got darker. He finally

643
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,719
admitted he joined in his own hands, tightening around her

644
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,960
throat until she stopped struggling. All in all, it took

645
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:30,119
thirty minutes to strangle the life out of her. Afterwards,

646
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,519
they left her body lying there before dragging it outside

647
00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:37,199
toward the gantry. This was the same gantry that would

648
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:41,199
later show up in those photographs. The gantry stood in

649
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:47,599
the Ozark woods, where it held captive numerous corpses of deer, cattle, pork,

650
00:42:48,559 --> 00:42:52,159
and who knows what else has the blood drained from them,

651
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,119
Only this time that would be a human. It would

652
00:42:57,159 --> 00:42:58,559
be a mother.

653
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 14: At least.

654
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:05,039
Speaker 1: This is the only time the detectives knew about that night.

655
00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:11,159
The two men worked methodically knives, buckets, plastic wrap. Tim

656
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,480
told the officers how they cut her legs apart, piece

657
00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:18,360
by piece. He described it flatly, as if they were

658
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,800
reading instructions off a page. Tim acted like he had

659
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:27,599
no vested interest in doing this, but he was lying.

660
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,039
He thought she was a liar and a thief, and

661
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:34,840
in his words, he didn't deal with people like that.

662
00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 9: And then he walked over to the crank crank, he

663
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:46,400
cranked it up, raising her up like you know, he

664
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,079
referred her to like them, and there's no better way

665
00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:55,559
to put it to her head off first, wash Mason,

666
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:05,199
how country find you are to me? To big around,

667
00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:08,119
which would be not unusual. It was processing a deer

668
00:44:08,199 --> 00:44:11,480
or whatever. He took over her head, put it in there,

669
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,400
and then he started cutting, rode down the centers, so

670
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:16,360
all I'm running the guts.

671
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 3: Everything went down.

672
00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: There, piece by piece. Cassidy's body was carved apart, dropped

673
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,239
into buckets like waste at a slaughterhouse.

674
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,199
Speaker 3: And so he handed you the camera and asked you

675
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,000
to take a picture. Yeah, and what did you take

676
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:32,440
a picture of?

677
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 9: Standing there? To her?

678
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:36,559
Speaker 3: Okay, somebody, it's not coming in.

679
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 9: I think he reached out a.

680
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,559
Speaker 3: Red for head and pulled it up like posing on

681
00:44:41,639 --> 00:44:42,239
the body.

682
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,599
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean he was standing up almost straight.

683
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: Jim even had Tim take a picture he was posing

684
00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:54,079
with Cassidy's head like a trophy buck. Tim claims he

685
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:58,400
was emotionless and just following Jim's orders. Hand me this

686
00:44:59,159 --> 00:45:03,239
take away that like a butcher's assistant.

687
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 9: He started cutting one off. And after he split her

688
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,599
down the middle, you're not just gutting or the splitting,

689
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:16,000
and he went to the corner parts there again, knowing

690
00:45:16,039 --> 00:45:19,760
what we did with regular carcasses, he just begin natural

691
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:20,239
to do it.

692
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:23,039
Speaker 1: We know you love true crime, but if you ever

693
00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:26,280
find yourself saying it feels natural to cut a human

694
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,880
into pieces, I'm sorry, but there's no help for you. You're fucked.

695
00:45:32,199 --> 00:45:35,679
Jim wasn't finished. What he did next crossed the line

696
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:40,480
from killing to desecration, the kind of act that makes

697
00:45:40,519 --> 00:45:45,400
investigators question whether this was about murder at all or

698
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:47,920
something far more primal.

699
00:45:48,599 --> 00:45:52,199
Speaker 9: He cut off from moves. Okay, answer, you don't tell you,

700
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,159
I'll tell you. He put in the bowl, Okay, the

701
00:45:57,199 --> 00:45:58,360
moves he's doing the book.

702
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 3: When you say you're talking about the bucket.

703
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,639
Speaker 9: And the scrub washman of the washman, all the guts and.

704
00:46:06,639 --> 00:46:12,599
Speaker 1: Everything, Jim was all about trophies. Apparently they got rid

705
00:46:12,639 --> 00:46:15,239
of her like she was nothing more than a carcass

706
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,920
According to Tim, Jim had him dig a hole and

707
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:25,320
barrier head the visceral remains. The guts were carried off

708
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:29,239
in buckets and dumped in the woods. Let the animals

709
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:35,039
do their jobs. In Tim's words, the rest was butchered, quartered,

710
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:40,599
and handled peace by piece. When investigators later served a warrant,

711
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,840
they opened a freezer on the property. Inside they found

712
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:51,000
packages of meat. Some were labeled deer, some coon, and

713
00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:55,559
every other form of wildlife you could imagine. But they

714
00:46:55,599 --> 00:47:01,199
also found neatly wrapped packs labeled simply seven twenty four,

715
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:08,360
the day they murdered and processed Cassidy. This raised a

716
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,960
question darker than anything investigators were prepared for. Was this

717
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:18,159
murder for murder's sake? Or had Cassidy Rainwater been killed,

718
00:47:19,159 --> 00:47:25,280
butchered and prepared for something else? And then the biggest

719
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,599
mystery of all, why would anyone, whether it was Tim,

720
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:34,039
Jim or another accomplice, send those pictures straight to the FBI.

721
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,599
It could only have been for some kind of sick

722
00:47:37,679 --> 00:47:42,679
bragging or proof that more people were involved, and there

723
00:47:42,679 --> 00:47:45,119
may have been more victims.

724
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 18: Now there are more questions than answers in the disappearance

725
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,960
of a thirty three year old Missouri woman, Cassidy Rainwater,

726
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,960
hasn't been seen or heard from since at least July

727
00:47:55,079 --> 00:47:59,280
twenty fifth, With Rainwater still missing, two men, Timothy Norton

728
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,559
and James Helps, are in custody in charge with kidnapping

729
00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:03,840
and connection to the case.

730
00:48:04,199 --> 00:48:05,119
Speaker 3: They're accused of.

731
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,679
Speaker 18: Locking her up in a cage inside this small cabin

732
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,480
near Lebanon, Missouri. Adding to the mystery, just hours before

733
00:48:11,519 --> 00:48:14,559
both men were scheduled to make their first appearance in court,

734
00:48:15,039 --> 00:48:18,519
that same cabin burned to the ground. The Dallas County

735
00:48:18,559 --> 00:48:21,079
Sheriff's office has been tight lipped about the case, and

736
00:48:21,159 --> 00:48:25,039
a lengthy post online the sheriff condemned rumors about the case,

737
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:28,320
adding quote, no, you are not entitled to a play

738
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,440
by play of an ongoing investigation. If you want to

739
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,800
be in the know, we are hiring, along with every

740
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,320
other law enforcement agency in the country.

741
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,199
Speaker 1: The property was burned to the ground just days before

742
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,840
their first court appearance. To this day, by the way,

743
00:48:44,599 --> 00:48:48,360
no one has been charged officially. Investigators said it was

744
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:53,840
a propane tank explosion, but for a community already buzzing

745
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:58,400
with rumors of cages, body parts, and cannibalism. It only

746
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:03,480
deepened the paranoia. The Sheriff's department was frustrated and issued

747
00:49:03,519 --> 00:49:07,679
a harsh statement to the public. But here's the problem.

748
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:15,360
The stories weren't all wrong. The cage was real, the

749
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:21,440
pictures were real. The meat in the freezer was real.

750
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,760
It wasn't hard to put two and two together. If

751
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:32,280
cassidy was packaged like venison, where exactly was this meat

752
00:49:33,119 --> 00:50:12,880
going to end up? The Ozarks are creepy. Put it

753
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,639
that way. You've seen the TV show I hope. It's

754
00:50:16,679 --> 00:50:19,559
a great show, by the way, and the characters in

755
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:25,000
it are pretty spot on. Those hill people are weird, man,

756
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,800
There's no other way to put it. By late summer

757
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,880
of twenty twenty one, Dallas County, Missouri was giving the

758
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:37,440
best example of what is dark and creepy about the Ozarks.

759
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,840
A lonely cabin on Moon Valley Roads, surrounded by thick

760
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:47,119
Ozark woods seem like just another rundown property, hidden from

761
00:50:47,199 --> 00:50:50,760
view like so many others in the back country. Jim

762
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:55,840
Phelps lived there, a reclusive man with interests in BDSM.

763
00:50:56,039 --> 00:50:59,960
His closest friend was Tim Norton, a truck driver who

764
00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:05,000
hovered around Jim's orbit, more follower than leader, At least

765
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,519
that's how he described their relationship. Both men had reputations

766
00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:13,800
for keeping to themselves, but also for letting strangers, especially

767
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:18,960
young women, drift into their lives. Cassidy Rainwater was one

768
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,800
of them. She was a thirty three year old mother

769
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,440
trying to put her life back together after years of setbacks.

770
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:29,239
By August, she was staying at the cabin because the

771
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:34,840
property owner told her she could. Within weeks, she had disappeared.

772
00:51:36,039 --> 00:51:39,840
What happened next was no mystery of the woods. Jim

773
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,079
and Tim got tired of her existence and strangled her

774
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:47,360
to death. They cortered her body on a gaantry like

775
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,639
game and left investigators with photographs that looked more like

776
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,800
hunting trophies than evidence of a crime. They say she

777
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,519
stayed willingly, that she climbed into a dog cage willingly

778
00:52:00,199 --> 00:52:05,920
and stole from them freely. But these allegations weren't true.

779
00:52:06,039 --> 00:52:08,760
She had no idea what she was getting herself into,

780
00:52:09,519 --> 00:52:13,880
and before she knew it, she was a captive. If

781
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,000
this could happen to her, who else could it? Or

782
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,840
did it happen? To Text messages between Tim and Jim

783
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,400
suggested they were constantly on the prowl looking for women

784
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:31,159
worse yet probably underage girls. They even suggested that Tim

785
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,199
may have been bringing women or girls back after being

786
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:38,039
on the road as a trucker. The messages were always

787
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:42,400
cryptic and coded. Wren, the young woman you heard from before,

788
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,960
remembers her first hand experience.

789
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 3: One of the.

790
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 16: First things that I thought after he left was, there's

791
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,400
no way that man doesn't have like people in his basement.

792
00:52:52,599 --> 00:52:53,440
He's weird.

793
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,599
Speaker 1: What Wren didn't know was that Tim Norton was worse

794
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:02,840
than weird. He was, in fact a predator of young women.

795
00:53:03,639 --> 00:53:10,519
Speaker 16: I thought that he was like a little too old

796
00:53:10,639 --> 00:53:13,400
to be doing all this, and especially too old to

797
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:17,280
be hitting on women who were God, I was probably

798
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,760
twenty two at the time.

799
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:21,519
Speaker 18: Like he was.

800
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 16: The conversation that I had with him, I've never had

801
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,480
anybody speak to me that way, so I remembered him.

802
00:53:29,519 --> 00:53:33,360
But when that mugshot came up, I remember being in

803
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:37,320
my college apartment and it had come across like CNN

804
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:41,159
or some like big. It was a mainstream thing, and

805
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:45,239
I saw it and immediately I texted my friend that

806
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,639
I worked with, and I said, do you remember that

807
00:53:47,679 --> 00:53:49,639
creepy guy that I was telling you about, Like, I

808
00:53:49,679 --> 00:53:52,360
swear to God, this is him. And then I read

809
00:53:53,679 --> 00:53:56,320
kind of more about who he was and what he did,

810
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,480
and when I saw trucker from Missouri, I was like,

811
00:53:58,519 --> 00:54:01,079
oh my god, that's that's him.

812
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: Fortunately, Wren had enough life experience and confidence to keep

813
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,880
Tim at a distance, and she immediately reported what had happened.

814
00:54:11,519 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 16: I had talked to my general manager and I said,

815
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,159
this guy is weird and he's asking me all these

816
00:54:16,199 --> 00:54:18,960
weird questions. I need you to, like let the other

817
00:54:19,199 --> 00:54:22,599
girls know that they need to have somebody walk them

818
00:54:22,639 --> 00:54:25,320
to their cars tonight. I don't know how long he's

819
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,440
going to be here, but he doesn't seem like he

820
00:54:27,519 --> 00:54:30,519
has a lot going on, and he kind of blew

821
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:33,679
me off. And then, you know, one or two ish

822
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,320
weeks later, I came back in with the mugshot pulled

823
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,239
up and I said, you know, this is the guy

824
00:54:39,679 --> 00:54:42,239
that I was telling you about, Like, I'm serious, we

825
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:43,199
need more cameras.

826
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,760
Speaker 1: Right before Tim left the restaurant after staying way too

827
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,679
long without ordering food, Wren remembered the feeling she got

828
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:52,159
from him.

829
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 16: I noticed that he looked sort of satisfied that I

830
00:54:59,559 --> 00:55:03,719
was on comfortable, like he really enjoyed that what he

831
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,199
was saying was kind of making me squirm, Like I

832
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,880
really obviously didn't want to speak to him, and he

833
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,519
knew that, and I think that that was kind of

834
00:55:13,639 --> 00:55:15,039
part of the game for him.

835
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,599
Speaker 1: Wren's experience offered a glimpse of how Tim would operate

836
00:55:19,639 --> 00:55:25,920
in public, unsettling, inappropriate, and just weird. But in his

837
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,199
own words, he gave investigators an even darker view of

838
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,400
what was happening back at the cabin where he and

839
00:55:32,519 --> 00:55:36,639
Jim hung out. During his interview, Tim admitted that both

840
00:55:36,679 --> 00:55:41,840
he and Jim were into BDSM, but Jim took it

841
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,639
even further. He interacted online with all kinds of women,

842
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:51,480
including minors, in his sick fantasy world. According to Tim,

843
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,440
Jim was more to blame. He maintained he had only

844
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:59,840
stumbled across the content on Jim's hard drive. He described

845
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,960
it almost casually, like it was just another hobby.

846
00:56:03,519 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 13: He ever talked to you about those sarems, Yeah, you

847
00:56:06,159 --> 00:56:08,679
mentioned that they were repellent stuff, and like, what's still

848
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:09,679
kind of chaverrages, you know.

849
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 4: Some of them were more of.

850
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:15,679
Speaker 13: The darker BDSM and that type of lifestyles.

851
00:56:15,159 --> 00:56:17,199
Speaker 4: And some of my lifestyle, so you know, I mean

852
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:18,239
I know a little bit about it.

853
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 9: Most of them known from him, you know, as far

854
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:21,679
as what it is.

855
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 4: And I'm a little hot, isn't it?

856
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,679
Speaker 3: What he didn't dobots maybe, but that you continue to

857
00:56:28,679 --> 00:56:29,440
stay with it and.

858
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:31,119
Speaker 7: What like that.

859
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 13: I didn think in particular that I don't know if

860
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,599
he got into it or not. I mean, he talked

861
00:56:36,599 --> 00:56:39,639
to you, do he had to introduce with him, you know.

862
00:56:40,519 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 3: Like well some of the weirdest stuff that you would

863
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:44,239
talk about in there.

864
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 13: I don't know what he talks about in the cabins,

865
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,679
but he told you about some makes you went. I

866
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,559
mean you mentioned, you know, this person from Sweden or

867
00:56:53,599 --> 00:56:55,360
this person from this country and some other.

868
00:56:55,199 --> 00:56:56,639
Speaker 17: Guns he was talting to do about it.

869
00:56:56,679 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 4: And that was about it.

870
00:56:59,599 --> 00:57:04,599
Speaker 1: But that wasn't all of it. Tim downplayed everything what

871
00:57:04,639 --> 00:57:07,760
they thought about, what they talked about, and what they

872
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:12,519
actually did. But investigators compared his story against the phone

873
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:17,079
records and Facebook messages, and the reality looked far worse

874
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:22,679
than what Tim admitted. Jim's collection of bondage pictures and messages,

875
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:27,599
all contained in labeled folders, included women hanging on crosses,

876
00:57:28,119 --> 00:57:33,199
and women in cages. There was even a folder named milking.

877
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:38,679
This contained sick images of women tied up with their

878
00:57:38,719 --> 00:57:44,159
breasts connected to cow milking devices. There were other folders

879
00:57:44,239 --> 00:57:50,599
labeled kids in cages and nude babies, no description needed.

880
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:52,119
Speaker 4: He had never.

881
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,519
Speaker 13: Mentioned that she might be into it, whether you know

882
00:57:54,599 --> 00:57:57,519
he'd be Will's trial. I mean, I know he has

883
00:57:57,599 --> 00:58:01,360
some medius and sons, like what you have a harness,

884
00:58:01,559 --> 00:58:07,920
it's some pankos, angel shackles, hearing how much sort of

885
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:13,760
stuff like that, you know, adult enjoyables, And that's what

886
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:14,360
I can play it.

887
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 4: And then there's a tail in there and whips.

888
00:58:18,039 --> 00:58:23,519
Speaker 1: And other things to each his own right, live and

889
00:58:23,639 --> 00:58:28,440
let live, right, all that shit. But there's a big

890
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:33,760
difference between consensual role play and being a predator, an

891
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,199
older man waiting for vulnerable women to be delivered to

892
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:41,760
him or to stumble into his trap like a fly

893
00:58:42,679 --> 00:58:47,360
in the grips of a venus fly trap, like Cassidy did,

894
00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:52,679
for example. And it's an entirely different matter for someone

895
00:58:52,719 --> 00:58:56,639
to end up the way Cassidy did in a freezer.

896
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:02,599
You've heard the phrase where there's smoke, oh there's fire. Well,

897
00:59:03,519 --> 00:59:06,639
where there's a freezer full of human meat fill in

898
00:59:06,719 --> 00:59:11,760
the blank. Tim had even written a macabre story on

899
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,639
the topic. Not only that, it's clear he did some

900
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,760
intense research on the subject of cannibalism.

901
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 9: It's like, no, I do, and I don't want to

902
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:25,199
know why you're doing this, okay, because that made me

903
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,920
rethink of the story he had read when I was

904
00:59:29,119 --> 00:59:31,000
kind of stupid and it was hard to have looking

905
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,679
for movies or so, and I seen it was what's this?

906
00:59:35,639 --> 00:59:38,920
I don't read it. It's like, no, I don't want

907
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:40,719
to know if he's that's what he's finally doing because

908
00:59:40,719 --> 00:59:41,559
I don't know.

909
00:59:42,559 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 3: Okay.

910
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 9: You know, if you've remember correctly when you said something

911
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:51,039
about cannibalism when you first interviewed me, I said, if

912
00:59:51,079 --> 00:59:53,599
you can take my bunk shot, tell me if I am,

913
00:59:54,159 --> 00:59:56,679
because I desire myselbject who I had if.

914
00:59:56,599 --> 01:00:00,519
Speaker 1: I had hard to hear. But that was Tim telling

915
01:00:00,599 --> 01:00:03,920
the detectives that they might want to analyze his blood

916
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:08,960
for human DNA like someone else's, if that's possible, because

917
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:14,719
if he had partaken in Jim's sick cannibal fantasy, he

918
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:18,119
didn't know about it. Yeah, sure, he's been to a

919
01:00:18,159 --> 01:00:21,400
few barbecues at Jim since the murderer. But who was

920
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:22,599
to say, do.

921
01:00:22,639 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 3: You know if his intention was to consume to eat

922
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,119
some of that flesh.

923
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 9: At a time? Honestly no?

924
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:36,199
Speaker 3: But since then maybe okay?

925
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,119
Speaker 9: Why maybe because he cuts the genitalia out and he

926
01:00:39,239 --> 01:00:39,519
kept it.

927
01:00:41,639 --> 01:00:44,119
Speaker 3: And do you know what he did with the genitalium?

928
01:00:44,199 --> 01:00:44,239
Speaker 16: No?

929
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:44,719
Speaker 9: I did not.

930
01:00:45,039 --> 01:00:51,599
Speaker 3: Okay, as far as I know, thinks in a way.

931
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,119
I don't know. Have you told someone else something different?

932
01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:00,559
Speaker 9: No, I've had several people, and it's running Joe the odds.

933
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:06,559
Then I was a cannibal, and then he used it

934
01:01:06,639 --> 01:01:09,960
to make a sandwich with and several things like that.

935
01:01:10,599 --> 01:01:14,000
He said, it's a Ronning joke, you know, And I've

936
01:01:14,079 --> 01:01:17,000
done my best form of everybody. I didn't need it,

937
01:01:17,039 --> 01:01:20,199
and I have no idea what you're talking about. Yeah,

938
01:01:20,239 --> 01:01:22,920
they still make a joke out of it, and sometimes

939
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:26,079
I make jokes with other people. I own just find

940
01:01:26,119 --> 01:01:30,320
alone with the cannibal situation. But I didn't need any

941
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,000
of it. I didn't touch it. I don't know what

942
01:01:32,159 --> 01:01:32,719
he did with it.

943
01:01:34,159 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 18: You know.

944
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 9: I know what I've heard, I know what what I've

945
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,880
seen on the Newson that I don't know anything else.

946
01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:46,239
Speaker 1: Here's a good example of the way Tim would minimize.

947
01:01:47,119 --> 01:01:49,760
He pretended that he only went along with the jokes

948
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about cannibalism in jail because he didn't want any trouble,

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but he later admitted to signing autographs for money under

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the name Hannibal the Annibal. While Jim stayed silent through

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the days following Cassidy's murder, all of Tim's minimizing and

952
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Amanda's beliefs that it was all a joke couldn't change

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the overwhelming evidence that both Jim and Tim had viciously

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murdered Cassidy and Amanda knew about it. Eventually, the courtroom

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knew about it too.

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Speaker 5: Appearing in person for the first time since being charged

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in mid September, James Phelps was escorted into a Dallas

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County courtroom and asked if his defense was aware of

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the new first degree murder charge filed against him. The

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judge quickly took up his attorney's motion to set a bond,

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with phelps public defender, arguing Phelps is not a flight risk,

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having spent most of his life in the area, ties to.

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Speaker 17: The community using white ball residence of the area, with

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the exception of a brief set in the military.

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Speaker 3: In Saint Louis for about three years.

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Speaker 5: Attorney Sam Gearhart's as Phelps had only face charges of

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writing bad checks and illegal hunting in the past, but

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prosecutors argue Phelps poses a danger to the community, especially

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those that are caring for Cassidy Rainwaters children.

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Speaker 17: Saints position is he probably needs to be held a lot.

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Speaker 4: For the community.

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Speaker 5: City prosecuting attorney Jonathan Barker tells the court Phelps co

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defendant Timothy Norton confessed to deputies he and Phelps would

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search for potential victims online and at a local Walmart.

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Speaker 9: This case that this particular is.

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Speaker 17: That online is talking with the potential victors, even having

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Jewish to appear at his location.

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Speaker 7: The word.

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Speaker 17: Itselfware code defensives to be brought back his location, where

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he discusses with that that he really.

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Speaker 4: Fast harm or kield them.

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Speaker 5: And prosecutors also said tonight they are weighing all options

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in phelps case, including possibly seeking the death penal.

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Speaker 1: By twenty twenty three, the courts had delivered their verdict.

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In April, Jim Phelps centered an Alford plea to first

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degree murder, meaning he knew that prosecutors had enough evidence

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01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:18,800
to convict him, but he still maintained his innocence. The

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judge senced him to life in prison with the possibility

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of parole. In June, Timothy Norton pleaded guilty to the

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same charge and received an identical sentence, life without parole.

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As part of his plea agreement, charges of kidnapping and

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01:04:37,199 --> 01:04:42,280
abandonment of a corpse were dropped. Cassidy's son, Aiden, has

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01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:46,320
spoken about his mother, saying that even though his parents

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gave him up for adoption at the age of four,

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01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:53,880
he loves her and no she did her best. He

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01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:56,840
admits that adoption was probably the best thing for him.

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He's had a good life. Aiden has grown up to

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01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:04,239
be a very intelligent and talented young man who plays

999
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:09,239
thirty five different instruments and loves theater. This is what

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01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:10,840
he said at his mom's funeral.

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Speaker 3: Think about the memories and.

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01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:15,639
Speaker 1: Just how great they were.

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Speaker 3: She always loves the river.

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Speaker 9: It was her favorite place, and I remember her always

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singing to me as a baby.

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Speaker 4: She was a great person.

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Speaker 8: She was the hardest working mom I've ever known, and

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I'm so proud of it, and I wish she should

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know that sin here.

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Speaker 1: Cassidy Rainwater died in the most horrible of circumstances, and

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what they did to her body after was beyond despicable.

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She may have fallen through the cracks at the time

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she landed on Jim's doorstep, but she was a mother,

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a daughter, and a friend. She just happened to be

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01:05:59,719 --> 01:06:03,840
a who trusted the wrong people. But the question that

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lingers is bigger than Cassidy. Jim and Tim weren't just

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two isolated monsters who snapped one day. They were predators,

1018
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,719
and like all predators, they hunted where they knew the

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vulnerable lived. For them, it was mostly women on the margins, alone, struggling,

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sometimes with no place to go. But this was changing.

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01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:35,159
They started stalking in parking lots and restaurants. That's where

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Ren's insight becomes so important. It could have been her.

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01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:43,199
She crossed paths with Tim before he was caught and

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put away, and her story shows how monsters like Jim

1025
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:51,880
and Tim operated not just with violence, but with patience,

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with manipulation. They looked for weakness, tested boundaries, and moved

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01:06:59,679 --> 01:07:04,639
in slowly until it was too late. Fortunately for Ren,

1028
01:07:05,679 --> 01:07:09,480
she knew what to look for. She works as an EMT.

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Speaker 16: I don't think I've ever ran into another murderer, but

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I have, you know, worked cases where people are being trafficked,

1031
01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:19,480
and like on the side of the road, we're getting

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people out of cars who are being taken against their will,

1033
01:07:23,719 --> 01:07:26,280
and it's a lot of the same behavior. It's a

1034
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:29,519
lot of that, like I'm out to make you uncomfortable,

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and I'm betting that you're not going to say anything

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about it. They look for people who kind of don't

1037
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:42,320
hold themselves high, who kind of you shrink your shoulders,

1038
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:44,559
you make yourself small, you stay out of the way,

1039
01:07:45,519 --> 01:07:48,519
and a lot of people think that like being out

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01:07:48,559 --> 01:07:51,679
of sight in a way makes them a little safer,

1041
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:55,599
and it just makes it easier for the people who

1042
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,480
don't want to do horrible things to you to not

1043
01:08:00,159 --> 01:08:03,559
notice you, to not see you when you need help.

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And like a lot of I've read a lot of

1045
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studies about serial killers, and you know, the way that

1046
01:08:11,199 --> 01:08:15,400
they picked their victims is who's the smallest person in

1047
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the room that doesn't look very sure of themselves.

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Speaker 1: Cassidy may have been vulnerable, but she was strong willed

1049
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and stubborn. According to everyone in your that is but see,

1050
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Jim and Tim didn't seek her out. She landed there

1051
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:34,560
and she became a problem for them because she didn't

1052
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,920
want to give in to their demands. She didn't want

1053
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:43,239
a sexual relationship with Jim. Even Tim acknowledged that, and

1054
01:08:44,159 --> 01:08:46,319
she paid for with her life.

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Speaker 16: Another thing that I wanted to touch on is like

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the packaged meat of it all, the cannibalism was the

1057
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craziest part of it for me to read, because it

1058
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was one of those things, especially like again, as the

1059
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information is coming out, you see it and it's so

1060
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:12,600
out there and weird and wrong that you kind of

1061
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:16,720
don't want to believe it. But then again, like and

1062
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:19,239
especially getting in the line of work that I'm in now,

1063
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there are definitely people that, like beyond your worst imagination,

1064
01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:30,920
will do things like that or kind of surround themselves

1065
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:35,239
with people that are cool with stuff like that. I

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01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:37,960
don't know. I don't know if society as a whole

1067
01:09:38,359 --> 01:09:40,720
just wants to push all the ugly stuff under the

1068
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:44,000
rug and don't think about it, and that happens far

1069
01:09:44,119 --> 01:09:47,800
away and you know, it'll never be my problem. And

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a lot of this stuff is happening like in these

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01:09:51,079 --> 01:09:56,399
tiny middle of nowhere unincorporated towns and like counties that

1072
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have just woods forever. It's hiding kind of in plain sight.

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Speaker 1: Dallas County Police didn't find evidence that the human meat

1074
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in Jim's freezer was ever shared or sold, but absence

1075
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of evidence isn't evidence of absence bone appetite. That's gonna

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do it for another one. If you're new here, head

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on over to Swordinscale dot com for more until next week.

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Stay safe.

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Speaker 16: M M.

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Speaker 14: Mike, you are so funny.

1081
01:11:11,239 --> 01:11:12,319
Speaker 15: You crack me up.

1082
01:11:12,399 --> 01:11:14,319
Speaker 2: Dude. Keep doing what you're doing.

1083
01:11:15,079 --> 01:11:16,319
Speaker 3: You're making so many.

1084
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Speaker 2: People laugh at but we don't sneak out, you know

1085
01:11:18,239 --> 01:11:20,319
what I mean, So all you hear is the negative

1086
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from the nagaie.

1087
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Speaker 13: You know, negatives, negatives.

1088
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Speaker 2: Take care, Mike, and thank you. Don't believe they hate

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us