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<v Speaker 1>Conservatives want answers from the government after US trade talks

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<v Speaker 1>collapse this weekend. Opposition leader Pierre pauliev Is called on

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<v Speaker 1>Prime Minister Carney to bring MPs back to Ottawa, writing

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<v Speaker 1>in a letter, we must put the national interest first.

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<v Speaker 1>The failure to secure a durable trade agreement, together with

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<v Speaker 1>escalating tariffs, now threatens deeper economic pain. That is why

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<v Speaker 1>I write to ask you to reconvene parliament without delay.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm joined by Alberta MP and Conservative critic for Canada

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<v Speaker 1>US Relations Chavaloyd Majumdar. Nice to see you, sir, Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for coming in. Thanks to you too, so your leader,

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<v Speaker 1>Peer Polyev. I just read part of the letter that

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<v Speaker 1>he sent to Carneia over the I guess it was

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<v Speaker 1>last night. He calls the bilateral trade negotiations of failure.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's to blame do you think for this failure? Is

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<v Speaker 1>it the Canadian negotiators or is it the Americans.

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<v Speaker 2>We're confident that the Canadian negotiators were professional what they did.

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<v Speaker 2>We know that the Prime Minister and his cabinet have

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<v Speaker 2>to deal with a very tough and unpredictable negotiation. We

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<v Speaker 2>know that the stakes are high for this country. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's really hard to answer your question without actually getting

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<v Speaker 2>a complete, transparent exhibition of what was proposed. And we're

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<v Speaker 2>not asking for trade secrets to be disclosed. We're just

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<v Speaker 2>what was on the table that the Americans already known,

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<v Speaker 2>that the Canadians already know, and what was the actual

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<v Speaker 2>decision points to walk away from the negotiation. All we've

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<v Speaker 2>had is a press conference and some leaks here and there,

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<v Speaker 2>But that's not, i think, to mister Polyev's point, serving

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<v Speaker 2>the national interest, which is a full conversation around what

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<v Speaker 2>was on the table and how do we deal with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there not a risk in showing our cards? Is

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<v Speaker 1>there not a risk in showing the American.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're not asking for them to tip their hand

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<v Speaker 2>on any future negotiating position. We just want to understand

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<v Speaker 2>exactly the Prime ministers talked about the deal. He's talked

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<v Speaker 2>about certain aspects of the deal. He hasn't talked comprehensively

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<v Speaker 2>about what were the reasons he left. He's welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>table that and let Canadians judge for themselves. And the

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<v Speaker 2>reason I say this is on Saturday, he promised dollar

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<v Speaker 2>for dollar counter terrifs across the economy which would have

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<v Speaker 2>been a massive cost to both countries. Today, just hours ago,

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<v Speaker 2>he's proposing well, maybe something more targeted. Well, we can't

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<v Speaker 2>take measure of what his prescription or his solutions are

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<v Speaker 2>unless we understand exactly what the stakes were that he

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<v Speaker 2>walked away from and what the cost will be for

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<v Speaker 2>the Canadians that have to bear the price of his decision.

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<v Speaker 1>On those retaliatory measures we heard. Of course, we're planning

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<v Speaker 1>to fight back. There will be something in place, as

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<v Speaker 1>you say, one of your caucus colleagues, Jamil Giovanni, who

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<v Speaker 1>has a close relationship with JD. Vance, the US Vice President,

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<v Speaker 1>said that dollar for dollar tariffs would be an overreaction

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<v Speaker 1>and that it would only accelerate the conflict with the Americans.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that that's a fair assessment, that going

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<v Speaker 1>dollar for dollar, going toe to toe with Trump on

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<v Speaker 1>Taro's would be a mistake.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a big debate and it's one that's worth having,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm grateful for mis Givine's contribution to it. The

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister today walked back dollar for dollar counter tariffs,

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<v Speaker 2>describing that it was an overreach in his own position. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>we have three major decisions in this country that Parliament

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<v Speaker 2>was elected to deal with. We have the decision around

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<v Speaker 2>our relationship with the United States, which can only be

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<v Speaker 2>explained by the deal that the Prime Minister abandoned. We

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<v Speaker 2>have a decision around the true cost to Canadians and

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<v Speaker 2>what we will do to respond in making sure that

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<v Speaker 2>the families who in today and yesterday are really anxious,

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of thousands of people who are losing their jobs

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<v Speaker 2>and may not be able to plan for the future.

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<v Speaker 2>And we have a decision on what are we doing

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<v Speaker 2>to right now unlock the potential of this country, build

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<v Speaker 2>the resilience we must, the resilience at the Prime Minister's

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<v Speaker 2>dawdled on for over a year and a half, and

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<v Speaker 2>provide the immediate relief for our country in the road ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>These are three big things. They're certainly parliamentary and worthy

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<v Speaker 2>of a national conversation, of a debate on empirical grounds

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<v Speaker 2>rather than on the hints of light that the Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister provides from behind the curtain.

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<v Speaker 1>Geovani also said that Prime Minister Mark Karney and Ontario

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<v Speaker 1>Premier Doug Ford have put their political self interest ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of Canadian workers, So he seems to be suggesting that

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<v Speaker 1>there's no deal with the Americans because it's not in

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<v Speaker 1>the political interests of the Prime Minister to reach one.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you say to that, Do you think that

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<v Speaker 1>there is no deal because mister Carniess trying to capitalize

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<v Speaker 1>on this politically. I mean that is quite an accusation, right,

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<v Speaker 1>It's a serious accusation, essentially accusing the Prime Minister of

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<v Speaker 1>sacrificing the Canadian economy to improve his own poll numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that something that you feel like is happening here?

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<v Speaker 2>The issue we have is with the Prime minister's capability

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<v Speaker 2>to be transparent. We've watched him walk back counter terrors

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<v Speaker 2>in the past through a discrete disclosure on a distant

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<v Speaker 2>government website that was ultimately picked up by somebody. We

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<v Speaker 2>watched the Prime Minister not describe the deal around the

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<v Speaker 2>bad Gordy Howbridge deal. We don't know how many tens

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<v Speaker 2>or hundreds of millions are now being siphoned into an

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<v Speaker 2>American fund on the other side of the border for

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<v Speaker 2>priorities that we cannot decide. And so I think there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of good reasons to say, listen, Prime Minister,

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<v Speaker 2>you negotiate in good faith. You had a conversation with

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<v Speaker 2>the country and good faith. So in good faith continue

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<v Speaker 2>by disclosing the deal and releasing the deal to Parliament.

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<v Speaker 2>Let Canadians judge for themselves. Exactly what the decision point

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<v Speaker 2>you made was. Was it political? Was it principled. We'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to think it's principled. We'd like to think it's

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<v Speaker 2>for the national interest, But there's only one way to know.

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<v Speaker 1>President Trump today called Doug Ford, he called him out

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<v Speaker 1>by name, He called him a flunky. He says he's

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<v Speaker 1>less impressive than his late brother Rob Ford. The Premier

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<v Speaker 1>in turn called Trump a loser. He called him the

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<v Speaker 1>King of bankruptcies. He told him to kiss his urs.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think the Premier Ford is hurting or helping

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<v Speaker 1>the cause here? He's getting quite feisty. It's very personal.

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<v Speaker 1>Ford is not holding back in what he thinks of

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<v Speaker 1>the President, the person that the Canadian negotiators need to

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<v Speaker 1>get onside it we're ever going to get a deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you approve of what Doug Ford is doing when

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<v Speaker 1>he uses this sort of language.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that the stakes for the negotiations today are

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<v Speaker 2>massive for the future of our country and particularly for

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<v Speaker 2>the people of Ontario. They deserve serious leaders stepping up

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<v Speaker 2>to deal with serious issues. And I also know that

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<v Speaker 2>in the inception of all of this, when naftit was

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<v Speaker 2>first negotiated, that Prime Mister Brian mulroney was capable of

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<v Speaker 2>wrangling the premiers, reading them in and defining what is

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<v Speaker 2>a role of the federal government where the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 2>has latitude on foreign affairs, and what is a role

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<v Speaker 2>of provincial leaders to ensure that the best deal can

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<v Speaker 2>be accomplished with a team Canada. All of the chaos

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<v Speaker 2>we've seen on the Canadian side, to me is something

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<v Speaker 2>that I ascribed to how the Prime Minister has managed

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<v Speaker 2>the entire negotiation. He has not been transparent with the

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<v Speaker 2>premiers across the board with the deals that he has

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<v Speaker 2>had to work with. He's not been transparent with Parliament.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not been transparent with industry. He has not been

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<v Speaker 2>holding technical briefings with the press or with experts even

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<v Speaker 2>under NBA, so that they can at least inform their

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<v Speaker 2>positions and their opinions. And so the resulted chaos that

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<v Speaker 2>you see is principally because the Prime Minister has failed

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<v Speaker 2>to show the kind of leadership the transformational negotiation that

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<v Speaker 2>he promised.

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<v Speaker 1>The Prime Minister has briefed the premiers though right, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean there was a first minister's meeting as things were

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<v Speaker 1>looking good, as a deal was coming together. He immediately

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<v Speaker 1>met with the premiers right after things fell apart, So

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<v Speaker 1>there certainly has been some dialogue. Maybe there should be more.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think though, he should be using that time

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<v Speaker 1>to reign in doug Ford? Is that what you think

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<v Speaker 1>needs to happen here? Do you think the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 1>needs to put his foot down when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>forward using this rhetoric.

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<v Speaker 2>It depends on whether he thinks that rhetoric is helpful

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<v Speaker 2>to him or not, you know, And I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>easy for us to try and opine on the play

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<v Speaker 2>to play in the personalities that are involved, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>not necessarily constructive for the country. Per Poaliev wants us

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<v Speaker 2>to stay focused on the national interest, to rise to

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<v Speaker 2>the occasion that the country requires, which is a strong

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<v Speaker 2>and constructive opposition. Our country is not so brittle that

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<v Speaker 2>we can't afford a debate, but we also need to

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<v Speaker 2>approach a debate with the seriousness that the people whose

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<v Speaker 2>families and livelihoods are on the line deserve.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think we can ever reach a deal with

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<v Speaker 1>President Trump. I mean, this is someone who is still

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<v Speaker 1>trotting out this fifty first date rhetoric. He's being very

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<v Speaker 1>personal in his criticisms of our leaders. He's calling Mark

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<v Speaker 1>Carney governor again today. He's talking down our troops and

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<v Speaker 1>our armed forces. He's lying in many instances about the

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<v Speaker 1>trading relationship. He's falsifying statistics when it comes to cross

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<v Speaker 1>border trade. Do you really think we can broker a

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<v Speaker 1>deal with someone like this?

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<v Speaker 2>Canadians are sick and tired of being treated as a

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<v Speaker 2>punching bag by President Trump time and time again. We

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<v Speaker 2>know that we're up against a very tough and unpredictable negotiator.

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<v Speaker 2>We know that every international economic and security arrangement around

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<v Speaker 2>the world is being renegotiated. I would argue principally because

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<v Speaker 2>of the rise of Beijing and the threat that it

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<v Speaker 2>poses to our supply chains, our energy, our investment and

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<v Speaker 2>technology for the world. The world needs to readjust in

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<v Speaker 2>this period of disruption caused by Beijing. But that being said,

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<v Speaker 2>I know that the Conservatives, over a year and a

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<v Speaker 2>half ago, we're ready to make big decisions on unleashing

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<v Speaker 2>our resources repealing anti development legislation, finding ways to fast

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<v Speaker 2>track projects around critical minerals and energy resources that we

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<v Speaker 2>know the United States and the world needs, rebuilding our

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<v Speaker 2>manufacturing base for autos and for defense production, like big

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<v Speaker 2>catalytic decisions that would have built the strength of this

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<v Speaker 2>country up, and we need to make those decisions independent

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<v Speaker 2>of what Washington or what the world does. We need

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<v Speaker 2>to build a country that has a self confidence to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to navigate a world that is disrupted, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think our country has to come to the realization

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<v Speaker 2>that we don't have the luxury that many other country

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<v Speaker 2>around the world have not enjoyed as well. We're now

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<v Speaker 2>in a neighborhood that's tough, and we're certainly up to

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<v Speaker 2>the task of standing up for this country and its sovereignty.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see but there. Thank you so much, Conservative Canada

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<v Speaker 1>US Relations grig Chavaloy Majumdar, nice to see you, certain

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for coming in.