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<v Speaker 1>You see somethings going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>What what's gonna happen? I'll take one what.

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<v Speaker 1>Help everybody to another? Unless's magical mail bag. I'm joined

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<v Speaker 1>as always by my co host Nick Nick. Tell them

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<v Speaker 1>what you're up to, Tell them where they can find you.

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<v Speaker 2>What is going on? What am I up to? I'm

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<v Speaker 2>still recording a gidnod Bruno recording part two. It should

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<v Speaker 2>be a two part series that should be dropping right

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<v Speaker 2>after the Halloween hopefully. Uh. And what else we got

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<v Speaker 2>coming up? Uh the fourteenth, your cult rejects will be

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<v Speaker 2>getting together the whole crew. We'll be talking about Serpent

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<v Speaker 2>in the Rainbow and zombies, so that should be fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Another thing I guess I can advertise a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>December fifth through seventh. I forgot that of it. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think you have more information. I won't have a booth,

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<v Speaker 2>but I will be at another event. It's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>in Phoenix, Arizona, and it's gonna be like a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of that like megalithic stuff, very much like cosmic summing,

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<v Speaker 2>almost like the same thing. But I will be there,

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<v Speaker 2>so if there's anybody going there, you know I'll be there.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what Zobe can hang out and show out

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<v Speaker 2>and shit, I'll be uh, I'll be with the press paths.

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<v Speaker 2>So just I'm sure you'll see me walking around taking

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<v Speaker 2>pictures and shit. So yeah, come check that out. And

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<v Speaker 2>uh yeah, I guess that's really about it. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think we got anything really going on. Oh do we

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<v Speaker 2>got any Oh this Sunday or Saturday Sunday, we got

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<v Speaker 2>two shows. Unfortunately only one of them will be alive.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll have Deborah on, she's been on this show actually before.

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<v Speaker 2>And we got Ivy the Occultist coming on the Occult Rejects. Finally,

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<v Speaker 2>it's been like a year in the works that I've

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<v Speaker 2>been trying to get this girl on. Very busy woman,

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<v Speaker 2>she was writing a book and all this other stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that you know entails with that and just you know, shit,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get our own stuff going. Finally got her on.

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<v Speaker 2>That should be uh, that should be should be interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>should be really fun and hopefully uh after that we'll

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<v Speaker 2>be able to get a few other type of occultists on.

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<v Speaker 2>They will hopefully open the door for us just keeping

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<v Speaker 2>it real. So should be shed you know, definitely be interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, check that out. I won't be live unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>but I will be dropping it probably the week, you

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<v Speaker 2>know that, within a few days. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>hold back on that one. So definitely check that out.

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<v Speaker 2>It should be interesting. It should be the almost the

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<v Speaker 2>whole cult reject crew with Ivy the Occultists, and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>be talking chaos magic. All right. There you go, Thank you, sir.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome. I gotta get on TikTok. Dude, I just got

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<v Speaker 1>the setup for the Alchemy. No I saw.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just looking at you said, I'm like, Yo, this

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<v Speaker 2>dude ain't playing around.

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<v Speaker 1>Dude. Yeah, it's a socks slid extractor. I got the

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<v Speaker 1>big one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I saw hear that, ladies, he's got the big one.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen it. Yeah, No, I saw that show. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, Yo, this, this guy's like that joking like

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<v Speaker 2>he's buying shit for this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, like I thinks you're so cool to watch,

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<v Speaker 1>right you. It's basically like a really complicated way of

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<v Speaker 1>making tea pretty much. But what you do is you

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<v Speaker 1>put the alcohol in the bottom of it, right, it

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<v Speaker 1>starts to evaporate and then condense back down and then

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<v Speaker 1>goes through your goes through your material that you're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to extract, and so you put the alcohol through an

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<v Speaker 1>alcohol train and then you pick out the essential oils

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<v Speaker 1>for many plants, so you can be making all sorts

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's exactly nice, dude. No, that's awesome that you're

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<v Speaker 2>doing that. That is sick. I that was I almost

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<v Speaker 2>got into that myself. There was a few people I

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<v Speaker 2>knew from the OTO or just in magic too. Before

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<v Speaker 2>I had, like, you know, kind of stepped out of

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<v Speaker 2>that whole occult community. There was a few people that

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<v Speaker 2>had just started. You get COVID gave people time to

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<v Speaker 2>start doing shit. People were like, yeah, I'm gonna staw

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<v Speaker 2>fucking with alchemy. I'm gonna start a distracting my own

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<v Speaker 2>oilsh People started to do shit, and uh, it was

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<v Speaker 2>pretty interesting. I thought of it again. I thought about

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<v Speaker 2>doing it myself, but I started a podcast instead.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm picking up the picture. This thing is okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So I had one before, but it was nowhere near

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<v Speaker 1>the size. I think it was one hundred c seeds

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<v Speaker 1>or I forget the measurement. Where is it? Of course

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta convert. Oh there it is. M look at

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<v Speaker 1>that bad boy. Oh yeah, once it's all put together.

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<v Speaker 1>It's easily like three feet. It's fucking cool. So the

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<v Speaker 1>condensers on top, so as the alcohol is heated up

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<v Speaker 1>down here, it goes in through the uh, through the

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<v Speaker 1>material that you've got in a thimble, right, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it extracts. Well, the steam keeps going up and up here.

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<v Speaker 1>You hook up cold water to it so you don't

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<v Speaker 1>lose any of the alcohol. It condenses back down into

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<v Speaker 1>the subject, so it's continuously reverberating up through the top

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<v Speaker 1>and then down through the bottom.

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<v Speaker 2>It does look like a bomb, like somebody said, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's quite obvious though.

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<v Speaker 1>It definitely does, but a little different than a bomb.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I think is cool as shit. Dude, Yo,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I and I sure, I really, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna say it, so now I have to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>But like something that I have, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>you've even mentioned it to you, something, I definitely want

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<v Speaker 2>to do it within like I'm trying to give myself

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<v Speaker 2>like three years, maybe four, but I'd rather do it

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<v Speaker 2>in two or three. I'm going to eventually get a

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<v Speaker 2>piece of property and I want to put like unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to try to do like the cheapest, but

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<v Speaker 2>like most reliable way to do it probably getting like

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<v Speaker 2>two of those fucking Amazon houses and somehow putting them

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<v Speaker 2>together and stick on a piece of property. I actually

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<v Speaker 2>want to start an alchemy lab, and like I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how to explain it. It's not a lodge, but

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<v Speaker 2>I like to have an alchemy lab and actually have

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<v Speaker 2>like a place where like books are set up, and

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<v Speaker 2>like I'll actually do classes or whatever, like lectures and seminars.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually do want to have like an actual place

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<v Speaker 2>for the occult rejects, and like it will be open

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<v Speaker 2>to people to come there at certain times, like a

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<v Speaker 2>regular place. That is actually something I do plan on

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<v Speaker 2>trying to do. And I want an alchemy lab in the.

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<v Speaker 1>Motherfuck m Well, I'll help you out about that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, no, I want to try to strategically

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<v Speaker 2>even find a place in the United States that makes

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<v Speaker 2>it closer for a lot of people in case they

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<v Speaker 2>ever want to come, Like it would be open to

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<v Speaker 2>any of the rejects obviously in the fans.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, what do you feel about a zooe?

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<v Speaker 2>What's that.

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<v Speaker 1>We pull it up?

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<v Speaker 2>I would be totally honest with you. I would like

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<v Speaker 2>to eventually have somebody there or us. Eventually those things

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<v Speaker 2>would be cool. Uh. I want to actually create a

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<v Speaker 2>free energy machine. Oh well, yeah, to run I know

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<v Speaker 2>a couple to run our own I don't want to say,

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<v Speaker 2>you know whatever, you know what I'm getting it. I

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<v Speaker 2>actually think that's one of the reasons why some places

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<v Speaker 2>get raided is because that's like, that's actually the real problem.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't want people doing that. Is that their pyramids

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<v Speaker 2>or they got some weird shit going on there that Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we're off the fucking grig because we're creating our own energy.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. Well, you got electrolysis of water gives you HHL,

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<v Speaker 1>which is fuel, you know, so all you gotta do

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<v Speaker 1>is hook it up to other power sources and then

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<v Speaker 1>you're constantly running you know hh So you can use

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<v Speaker 1>that as gasoline, you can use that as heating, all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of stuff. You can use it to.

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<v Speaker 2>Well between like just between the people we the stuff

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<v Speaker 2>we know, and the people we know. There'd be no

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<v Speaker 2>reason why I wouldn't be able to do something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>If thro a will, let's just keep it. There'll be

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<v Speaker 2>no reason why not as long is you know, people

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<v Speaker 2>aren't I guess, you know, running their mouths about what's

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and you wouldn't have to be afraid that it's

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<v Speaker 1>a crazy place because we're gonna be streaming all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that that's another thing too. Yeah, It's like if

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<v Speaker 2>I did lectures or any shit like that, I would

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<v Speaker 2>I would fucking obviously recorded any of the ship that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I would want to do that all. Yeah, you're totally right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>exactly absolutely So.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh for the symbol I brought Anana, Now, what's your

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<v Speaker 1>first impression there, because it's a very iconic image.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Uh, she looks a little bit different from other ways. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I could be getting in Ishtar confused though, but she

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<v Speaker 2>she was a little bit skinnier than normal for some reason.

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<v Speaker 2>I always felt the about it. Well, the other one

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<v Speaker 2>was like a little little thicker.

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<v Speaker 1>Is Andana are are basically kind of really close syncretisms

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<v Speaker 1>of one another, right, so you get a big crossover

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<v Speaker 1>between the two. But I think Nana is the Babylonian

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<v Speaker 1>version and Ishtar is like, well, yeah, Ishtar's babylon Inana's assumer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, there's a lot going on in here. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>besides the I mean even the things in her back,

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<v Speaker 2>the star, the lion, I mean her foot on.

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<v Speaker 1>It, the foot on the lion. Dude, that's the theme

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<v Speaker 1>that has been going on throughout all history. Is the

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<v Speaker 1>woman with her foot on the Lion's so crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what it's it that's even like almost uh

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<v Speaker 2>reminiscent over maybe the opposite of is it like the

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<v Speaker 2>Russian's flag or he's not got his foot but he's

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<v Speaker 2>like got his like sword like through a snake, like

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<v Speaker 2>you're still keeping something down. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, think about the picture of what's his name slaying

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<v Speaker 1>the bull and the Roman temples. It was Zoroastrianism sort

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<v Speaker 1>of what was his name?

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<v Speaker 2>Though? Her wings remind me of that Zoroastrian look too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, that's that's where you get a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>that imagery from. Is from this region. Those wings stick

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<v Speaker 1>stuck around for thousands and thousands of years, but uh

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<v Speaker 1>anana I had it pulled up. The thing that pops

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<v Speaker 1>out to me is this horror babylon idea, Right, she

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<v Speaker 1>embodies that horror of Babylon motif, and she's most often

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<v Speaker 1>syncretized with Venus or Aphrodite or all the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff. She's the goddess of love, fertility, and war, right,

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<v Speaker 1>all of these things all mixed together, and she was

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<v Speaker 1>actually worshiped in temples that were their own, separate city

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<v Speaker 1>from the rest of this and so they kept that

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<v Speaker 1>city sacred to Ishtaranana all throughout the generations, so as

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<v Speaker 1>they're fighting each other, they don't go to the place.

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<v Speaker 1>It's never touched by war until after. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was the daughter of the guy who hammer Robbie. I believe, no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it was before Hammer Robbie. But anyways, this place was

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like a holy site that all the other

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<v Speaker 1>sites sort of copied off of, especially with aphrodity, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the Greeks are like two thousand years after

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<v Speaker 1>this time period. Everything in Sumer was completely preserved too,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, because they wrote everything on bricks. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Now this thing too, is that a I would assume

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<v Speaker 2>or I'm not, well, not a seal, but like it

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying, Like, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Get that impression. It feels like it was some kind

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, sorry, getting a mold or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, But if that's the case, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>that it is, you know, and uh, you know copper's venus,

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<v Speaker 2>I really like this seal. It's very interesting. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>Hey put it star, dude, eight pointed star. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>Dude, ye, and I's got an eight point in star

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe people don't put that together. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Is is this anana worship fertility? Right? You could say

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<v Speaker 2>I love how like it's funny, how like sex of

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Aphrodite, the first person that she cheated on Hiphestus

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I thought I saw today that they said

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<v Speaker 2>Aries was like the only god in his pantheon that

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<v Speaker 2>actually didn't abuse women to be Yeah, yeah, they said,

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<v Speaker 2>if anything, there was one time or any think I

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<v Speaker 2>up because I think they put their hands on a

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<v Speaker 2>chick or rate the chick. But they said that he's

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<v Speaker 2>actually like the only one who like never put his

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<v Speaker 2>god of war was actually the one who never slapped

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I have an interesting comparison. I hope it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>give me a bad form YouTube, but uh aries. The

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<v Speaker 1>having these kids bring puppies to the temple and then

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<v Speaker 1>kill the puppies. They were training school shooters, like that

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<v Speaker 1>was the idea. Like they wanted these kids to be

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely psychopathic and bloodthirsty and they started that from an

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<v Speaker 2>School shoot is back in the day, that's what they wanted.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. It's like these people will kill without stopping,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know in that you have that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, innocence as well, So it's like this

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<v Speaker 2>Haven't even heard back in the day. They think drugs

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<v Speaker 2>might have been involved, even like help put them in

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<v Speaker 1>Oh fuck yeah. And the Greeks were masters of drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they knew the entire pharmacopeia lost so much

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<v Speaker 1>since then, but they had they had drugs that you

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<v Speaker 1>birth control back then.

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<v Speaker 2>Like why do they always give us stew before a war?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying. It's always soup and it

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<v Speaker 2>tastes weird.

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<v Speaker 1>When I was in the Army, they kept telling us

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<v Speaker 1>that they put saltpeter in the egg. Yeah, that's probably

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<v Speaker 1>what they say at prison too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, is that true. I can tell you when I

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<v Speaker 2>I was on a it was on a base too,

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<v Speaker 2>four dicks. It's on a four dicks obviously in Jersey.

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<v Speaker 1>The other side in Jersey. Oh were you Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. You had told me that's right. That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>You're on the other side of the fence, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was on the Yeah, that's crazy. Uh. Yeah. And the

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<v Speaker 2>places that they put us in used to be like

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<v Speaker 2>your old barracks if people were there. But the thing

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<v Speaker 2>is we got fed the same food they fed them there.

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<v Speaker 2>And some of the ship that was on that packaging

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<v Speaker 2>was actually a little weird, Like some of them would

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<v Speaker 2>say not for human consumption or would say, uh, what

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<v Speaker 2>was one of the that's that sweetener they use, like

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<v Speaker 2>they have like warnings of that ship on the boxes,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, yo, like yo, guys in the

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<v Speaker 2>kitchen would literally like take the risk too of like

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<v Speaker 2>ripping shit off and bringing it back to show people

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<v Speaker 2>like this is what the fuck this? Shiit says in

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<v Speaker 2>the kitchen like this is what they're feeding us, damn,

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<v Speaker 2>And they're like, yo, it's crazy to give him the

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<v Speaker 2>fucking service.

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<v Speaker 1>The guys in the service, Yeah, MR's are fucking wild, dude.

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<v Speaker 1>They had the wildest MR I've ever had was a

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<v Speaker 1>uh what was it? Egg omelet MRI? And so that

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<v Speaker 1>was the entree and you would put that little package

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<v Speaker 1>and heat it up. But what the fuck are you

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<v Speaker 1>doing making a freeze dried or like dehydrated omelet and

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<v Speaker 1>putting that in there like they're hiding so much like

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<v Speaker 1>everybody avoided that. There would be piles of these egg

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<v Speaker 1>omelet MREs and people are like I don't want that

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<v Speaker 1>one anything, But there are a couple like that chicken

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<v Speaker 1>Ali king too.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, trying to make an MRI sound good chick.

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<v Speaker 1>No, just think about the worst possible way to prepare

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<v Speaker 1>this food. And so that's what you want to avoid.

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<v Speaker 2>You think, Alex Jones.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh right, Yeah, they're supposed to have a five year

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<v Speaker 1>shelf life, but the original sea rations had a twenty

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<v Speaker 1>year shelf life. Oh so the stuff they were given,

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<v Speaker 1>the guys over in Vietnam were like even more loaded

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<v Speaker 1>up with chemicals.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so nice. All right, Uh'll get over to you

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<v Speaker 2>this going. Yeah, all right, so we got the end.

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<v Speaker 2>This unicorn seal. The in this unicorn seal is a

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<v Speaker 2>small square or fired stee type I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have to pronounce that right, type of stone, carved

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<v Speaker 2>in a Taglio intagio with a one horned or long

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<v Speaker 2>and long necked creature standing before a curious stand.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's often read as a you know, as an altar,

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<v Speaker 2>or it's an incense burner. It's often used on like

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<v Speaker 2>on an altar for incense, and it's topped by a

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<v Speaker 2>line of characters in the still undeciphered script. They're not

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<v Speaker 2>exactly sure what it means. Museums catalog hundreds of them,

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<v Speaker 2>each both have a seal like an administrative stamp and

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<v Speaker 2>a sigil, a charged reoccurring image where and where it

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<v Speaker 2>first shows up. Archaologically speaking, the motif belongs to a

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<v Speaker 2>to the mature harp harrowpan phase of the Indus civilization,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is roughly around twenty six hundred to nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>hundred BCE. Examples come from from the great baked brick

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<v Speaker 2>cities of Mohenjo Daro in Harapa and today's Pakistan, and

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<v Speaker 2>from dala Vera if I'm saying that right, and other

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<v Speaker 2>other places in Indian major collections. You can find them

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<v Speaker 2>in the British set. What's funny how the British Museum

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<v Speaker 2>and the met always comes up like it's those two

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<v Speaker 2>museums always have this shit. It's interesting realism. Major collections

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<v Speaker 2>date and describe them consistently. Square stamp sales of burnt

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<v Speaker 2>ste Tite or stee Tite with a unicorn and inscription

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<v Speaker 2>on the face. In September nineteen twenty four, Sir John Marshall,

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<v Speaker 2>then Director of the Archaeological Survey of India, announced the

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<v Speaker 2>civilization to the world in the Illustrated London News and

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<v Speaker 2>these were in there. What it looks like and how

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<v Speaker 2>to spot an authentic one, and I will move over

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<v Speaker 2>to another picture you can check out that one. A

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<v Speaker 2>typical unicorn seal is about three to five centimeters square.

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<v Speaker 2>The animal is shown in strict profile, elongated body, a

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<v Speaker 2>single arcing horn, often with a ribbed in spiral rendering.

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<v Speaker 2>The neck carries a banded blanket or halter in two

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<v Speaker 2>or three insized lines. In front of the muzzle stands

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<v Speaker 2>a mysterious device with a grill or sea like top.

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<v Speaker 2>Above runs a short line of indisc characters. Many seals

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<v Speaker 2>are perforated on the reverse so they can be strung

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<v Speaker 2>and worn and also gripped while pressing the face into

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<v Speaker 2>wet clay excavated pieces and some gulf area In this style,

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<v Speaker 2>seals especially spelicically noted the pierced grooved boss who made

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<v Speaker 2>them and how. Excavations in Harapa Mound E exposed a

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<v Speaker 2>specialized workshop for steatite and furnaces, and it had raw

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<v Speaker 2>materials and like production debris showing for the wet day

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<v Speaker 2>Believe shows an expert craft like area where seal carvers

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<v Speaker 2>worked alongside bead makers. Technical studies were done to reconstruct

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<v Speaker 2>the process of making these. It's again its carved soft

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<v Speaker 2>steel tite. They fire it at about nine hundred to

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<v Speaker 2>one thousand degrees cells and that's what gives it to

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<v Speaker 2>hardened and sometimes produces a pale glaze and the inlay

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<v Speaker 2>or rub with white paste into incisions. On some examples,

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<v Speaker 2>stylistic work on large samples shows multiple hands and lineages

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<v Speaker 2>of artisans rather than a single one, because you will

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<v Speaker 2>see variations in horn shape, the neck banding, and the

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<v Speaker 2>little thread marks on the throat map to distinct carving traditions.

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<v Speaker 2>There's another sign we're looking at as that's basically like

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<v Speaker 2>a sign of showing that it's a distributed administrative system

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<v Speaker 2>across towns using a shared icon of shared symbols.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what the Martok blade that you were showing last time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's you know what. That's what it made me

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<v Speaker 2>think about how it was like something that was like

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like mass produced and it had reasons for it,

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<v Speaker 2>like they think that this again, like there was like

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<v Speaker 2>certain things being said and it could be a talisman

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<v Speaker 2>where it traveled in this Unicorn seals and close cousins

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<v Speaker 2>didn't really stay in the area. By the early millennium, BCE.

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<v Speaker 2>Indus style seals and impressions turn up in the golf

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<v Speaker 2>in Mesopotamia at er Sousa, the lum and sometimes with

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<v Speaker 2>in this in this sorry, Yeah, they show up in

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<v Speaker 2>those areas and where else. The classic paper trail goes

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<v Speaker 2>back to CG. Gad's nineteen thirty two notice of Indus

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<v Speaker 2>style seals at yuur So. I mean that's where they're

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<v Speaker 2>even getting some of the stuff. It's from that guy

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<v Speaker 2>finding it. Nobody can read the script unfortunately, yet, so

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<v Speaker 2>all meetings are argued from you know, context and repetition.

418
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<v Speaker 2>We see them labels and careful but clear unfunctions, seals,

419
00:23:49.319 --> 00:23:53.720
<v Speaker 2>remarks of ownership status, and administrative tools for stamping packages,

420
00:23:53.880 --> 00:23:57.960
<v Speaker 2>jars and bales, exactly what we expect in a civilization

421
00:23:58.160 --> 00:24:04.400
<v Speaker 2>running standardized weights, long distance trade, and warehouse logistics. Which

422
00:24:04.480 --> 00:24:06.759
<v Speaker 2>is interesting because I mean, I mean, I guess it

423
00:24:06.920 --> 00:24:10.240
<v Speaker 2>was advanced like that then, but I mean that I don't.

424
00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:14.200
<v Speaker 1>Know that was their brand. Yeah, like everybody knew it

425
00:24:14.319 --> 00:24:15.480
<v Speaker 1>came from the end of his valley.

426
00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:17.839
<v Speaker 2>If it had that brand on it, that's It's like

427
00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:19.480
<v Speaker 2>that when you got a bag of dope on the streets,

428
00:24:19.480 --> 00:24:20.359
<v Speaker 2>it has a stamp on it.

429
00:24:20.359 --> 00:24:24.519
<v Speaker 1>You know, this is the Nike yeah.

430
00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Matrix bags from then from East New York. God, I

431
00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:38.960
<v Speaker 2>remember those things, Uh, usage in daily life. I mean

432
00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:41.200
<v Speaker 2>it's really not you know, it's really not used anymore.

433
00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:45.519
<v Speaker 2>It's just kind of just shown. But yeah, that's about it.

434
00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:49.319
<v Speaker 2>They again, they don't know what it says, and they

435
00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:51.799
<v Speaker 2>really not, you know, he can't really put it to

436
00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:57.240
<v Speaker 2>like one person. So I thought it was interesting looking. Yeah,

437
00:24:57.640 --> 00:24:59.920
<v Speaker 2>it was different. Let me see, I got other ones too.

438
00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:03.400
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't know what the fuck that thing is. It's

439
00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:05.759
<v Speaker 1>in front of it looks like it's catching something or

440
00:25:05.799 --> 00:25:07.279
<v Speaker 1>maybe a flower or what is it?

441
00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:09.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, remember it was like almost like a sieve or

442
00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:13.079
<v Speaker 2>something like. They didn't know, Like yeah, I mean sounds

443
00:25:13.119 --> 00:25:15.400
<v Speaker 2>crazy blood letting. I mean, who knows.

444
00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:19.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But what's interesting about those lines is in the

445
00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:22.200
<v Speaker 1>very first one, it kind of looked like those lines

446
00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:27.720
<v Speaker 1>were like folds of skin on a rhinoceros.

447
00:25:28.319 --> 00:25:33.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, that

448
00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:35.720
<v Speaker 2>his He's really good because when I saw that before,

449
00:25:35.759 --> 00:25:37.640
<v Speaker 2>I was like, Yo, that isn't something that like I

450
00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:45.400
<v Speaker 2>would as associate with like a you know, a unicorn

451
00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:47.079
<v Speaker 2>like you were saying. It was like the neck of

452
00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:49.960
<v Speaker 2>like a different type of animal, something that had like

453
00:25:51.640 --> 00:25:52.400
<v Speaker 2>like folding skin.

454
00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:54.599
<v Speaker 1>Well, there it looks kind of shaggy, like it might

455
00:25:54.680 --> 00:25:55.799
<v Speaker 1>have fur on its head.

456
00:25:56.079 --> 00:25:59.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this one looks different, right, Well, the.

457
00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:01.920
<v Speaker 1>Other ones have little on the face, and so that

458
00:26:02.079 --> 00:26:04.720
<v Speaker 1>could be an indication of the fur in different ways.

459
00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:07.880
<v Speaker 1>But it's so strange how they go for those same

460
00:26:08.200 --> 00:26:10.960
<v Speaker 1>exact details, you know, just in different ways.

461
00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:13.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there is if you if you actually do notice,

462
00:26:13.720 --> 00:26:15.519
<v Speaker 2>if you look at all these there's like certain things

463
00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:18.240
<v Speaker 2>that are always still repeated. It just it's a little

464
00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:21.319
<v Speaker 2>bit off to think. On the neck this like heart

465
00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:24.359
<v Speaker 2>upside out heart type of looking thing. They'll be showing

466
00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:28.480
<v Speaker 2>that one hang another and this thing is in the Yeah,

467
00:26:28.599 --> 00:26:31.240
<v Speaker 2>like those things are like always consistent if you're actually

468
00:26:31.519 --> 00:26:34.440
<v Speaker 2>going through all of them. Yeah, it's all consistent.

469
00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:38.839
<v Speaker 1>Well, some of the words on top change though, oh yeah, yeah.

470
00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:43.519
<v Speaker 2>But that those certain symbols are always there, right, Just

471
00:26:43.599 --> 00:26:46.160
<v Speaker 2>thing like that doesn't deviate.

472
00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:49.599
<v Speaker 1>Really, That one has two fishes next to each other. Yeah,

473
00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:55.960
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, I think there are definite patterns to these letters.

474
00:26:56.680 --> 00:26:59.759
<v Speaker 1>And what I think that's indicating is that Sumer probably

475
00:26:59.880 --> 00:27:05.680
<v Speaker 1>was in the origin of language and alphabet. That's just

476
00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:07.839
<v Speaker 1>the impression I get. They say that it was a

477
00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:12.160
<v Speaker 1>thousand BC, but I don't know, man, they could have

478
00:27:12.200 --> 00:27:14.480
<v Speaker 1>been using that way before that. They'd have to show

479
00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:16.880
<v Speaker 1>me some mark because I mean, that looks so unique

480
00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:19.400
<v Speaker 1>and it's not related to any other language, so clearly

481
00:27:19.480 --> 00:27:21.160
<v Speaker 1>it's got to be the oldest. That's what I think.

482
00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:28.240
<v Speaker 2>There's an interesting one, all right.

483
00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:31.200
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's a great sense about I like you.

484
00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:35.839
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, yes, it's finding it interesting how we both

485
00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:39.880
<v Speaker 2>pretty much had clay things today. Yeah, because I was

486
00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:41.680
<v Speaker 2>even thinking, like, yo, this whole sigil thing, like I'm

487
00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:42.920
<v Speaker 2>gonna have to go a little bit beyond like a

488
00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:46.839
<v Speaker 2>sigil symbol to go like you know, art or engravings

489
00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:54.799
<v Speaker 2>or even paintings or sculptures at this point. So we

490
00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:57.200
<v Speaker 2>got any mail, Yeah, we do.

491
00:27:57.319 --> 00:27:58.599
<v Speaker 1>We got some male from Terra.

492
00:27:59.079 --> 00:28:02.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Tarrid Jackson.

493
00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:04.519
<v Speaker 1>It starts Tara Jackson.

494
00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:04.799
<v Speaker 2>Yet.

495
00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:09.240
<v Speaker 1>So, my best friend, like sixth grade killed herself about

496
00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:12.279
<v Speaker 1>ten years ago, and she had tried numerous, numerous times

497
00:28:12.400 --> 00:28:15.160
<v Speaker 1>before that. She really didn't want to be here. She

498
00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:18.160
<v Speaker 1>tried electrical therapy, she tried all kinds of stuff to

499
00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:20.480
<v Speaker 1>fix her brain, but in the end she did finally

500
00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:23.519
<v Speaker 1>achieve her goal and is no longer here. For well

501
00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:26.640
<v Speaker 1>about at least twenty five years. Before she died, we

502
00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:30.759
<v Speaker 1>weren't astrange but our lives to give her pads that

503
00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:34.559
<v Speaker 1>we didn't talk a whole lot, but if ever, and

504
00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:37.039
<v Speaker 1>we did talk and there was no difference, just like

505
00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:39.799
<v Speaker 1>we were always sisters. When we were in sixth grade,

506
00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:42.039
<v Speaker 1>we would hang out at the creek and just have

507
00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:46.759
<v Speaker 1>these conversations, these long, intense, really important conversations till eleven

508
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:50.359
<v Speaker 1>year old girls have their best friends through schools. She

509
00:28:50.599 --> 00:28:54.400
<v Speaker 1>was the one I told I lost my virginity abortions.

510
00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:55.240
<v Speaker 2>She was my sister.

511
00:28:55.559 --> 00:28:57.359
<v Speaker 1>More than my sister. She was a lot of things

512
00:28:57.400 --> 00:29:00.160
<v Speaker 1>to me, and she was beautiful. Once or twice, I

513
00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:02.359
<v Speaker 1>would get a text message in the middle of the night,

514
00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:05.039
<v Speaker 1>I just said I love you, and I would know

515
00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:08.799
<v Speaker 1>it if it was her. I would know what she

516
00:29:09.079 --> 00:29:12.279
<v Speaker 1>was probably doing and there's nothing I could do about that.

517
00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:16.279
<v Speaker 1>And after the couple really serious attempts where she almost

518
00:29:16.359 --> 00:29:19.240
<v Speaker 1>didn't make it, I started to get mad about it,

519
00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:22.359
<v Speaker 1>and I started to get mad at her. I never

520
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:25.880
<v Speaker 1>told her that, though of course she was addicted to heroin,

521
00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:30.400
<v Speaker 1>she was addicted to OxyContin and xanax for years. She

522
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:32.759
<v Speaker 1>got pregnant, and she ended up having a baby and

523
00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:36.160
<v Speaker 1>then giving the baby up for about five months to

524
00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:38.960
<v Speaker 1>take care of the baby. And I think that's probably

525
00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:45.000
<v Speaker 1>what it finally succeeded. God bless I'm glad she did it.

526
00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:48.559
<v Speaker 1>Did not want to be here. Apparently she's much happier

527
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:51.599
<v Speaker 1>now wherever she is. For the last few years, I've

528
00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:54.400
<v Speaker 1>been having dreams about her almost every night I will

529
00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:57.920
<v Speaker 1>go to sleep. They've always been nightmares. She's always mad

530
00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:01.000
<v Speaker 1>at me. She will never talk to me, and I

531
00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:05.400
<v Speaker 1>don't dream about people I know. Usually people in my

532
00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:09.039
<v Speaker 1>dreams are just I don't know dream people, So that

533
00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:11.839
<v Speaker 1>alone is weird. Because she kept popping up in my dreams,

534
00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:14.960
<v Speaker 1>and she was always mad at me, and I could

535
00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:18.079
<v Speaker 1>never really talk to her in these dreams, literally sometimes

536
00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:21.559
<v Speaker 1>five a week, always a nightmare, Always she's mad. A

537
00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:24.920
<v Speaker 1>couple of nights ago, I was sleeping in my friend's

538
00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:28.640
<v Speaker 1>bed and had a very long, detailed dream. It's the

539
00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:31.279
<v Speaker 1>first time I remember in a very long time she

540
00:30:31.559 --> 00:30:35.440
<v Speaker 1>was in it, but she was mad this time, and

541
00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:41.559
<v Speaker 1>she talked to me time. I had to wear in

542
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:44.920
<v Speaker 1>all of my dreams and ask her why she is

543
00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:47.200
<v Speaker 1>always in my dreams? And why am I dreaming about

544
00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:50.599
<v Speaker 1>her now so much? Is she always mad at me

545
00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:55.319
<v Speaker 1>in my dreams? And I asked her because I'm wasting

546
00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:59.920
<v Speaker 1>my life still is and I know she shook her.

547
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:03.799
<v Speaker 1>I had yes in my dream and she shook. I

548
00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:06.000
<v Speaker 1>asked her another question or two, and she said yes

549
00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:08.440
<v Speaker 1>to both of them. I don't want to get into it,

550
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:12.319
<v Speaker 1>because I know not everything needs to be talked about here.

551
00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:14.400
<v Speaker 1>But we were in the sixth grade and made it

552
00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:17.680
<v Speaker 1>past one of us died and would let the other

553
00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:20.519
<v Speaker 1>one know somehow we'd come back to haunt each other.

554
00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:23.240
<v Speaker 1>Her and I also played with Luigi quite a bit

555
00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:26.160
<v Speaker 1>in the eighth grade and had to stop because our

556
00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:29.559
<v Speaker 1>friend's sister started acting like a weirdo and spooked us out.

557
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:32.400
<v Speaker 1>She saw the ghost of my dad, I think, in

558
00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:35.480
<v Speaker 1>my bedroom one night while we were sleeping, and she

559
00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:38.279
<v Speaker 1>told me about the next day. I showed her a picture.

560
00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:41.920
<v Speaker 1>My son saw him as well, but that's a different story.

561
00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:45.359
<v Speaker 1>I don't believe in ghosts anymore. She was an atheist

562
00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:48.240
<v Speaker 1>by the time she had died, but the Bible says

563
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:51.200
<v Speaker 1>the dead know nothing of this world. But I also

564
00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:55.799
<v Speaker 1>know that anything is possible with God. If it weren't

565
00:31:55.880 --> 00:31:58.599
<v Speaker 1>for the fact that I don't dream about people I

566
00:31:58.759 --> 00:32:05.279
<v Speaker 1>know hardly ever in every single dream I've had, then

567
00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:08.759
<v Speaker 1>that's what's happening. And it only this time she talked

568
00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:11.359
<v Speaker 1>to me and acknowledged me, and it feels so real.

569
00:32:11.480 --> 00:32:13.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what that means, but I'm glad to

570
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:15.519
<v Speaker 1>hear her one more time.

571
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:16.200
<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

572
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:19.079
<v Speaker 1>I hope this makes sense. I'm sorry that any other

573
00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:21.640
<v Speaker 1>story I've sent you is probably really a mess. Thank

574
00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:23.960
<v Speaker 1>you for listening. If nothing else, well, thank you Tara

575
00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:28.839
<v Speaker 1>for that dream story. But yeah, I mean dreaming about

576
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:31.400
<v Speaker 1>people who have died is one of the most intense

577
00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:35.920
<v Speaker 1>things imaginable. I mean, if it's happening so often, it's

578
00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:37.720
<v Speaker 1>definitely something to pay attention to.

579
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:41.160
<v Speaker 2>You think you're something behind that.

580
00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:47.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I mean usually what I see in

581
00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:53.079
<v Speaker 1>that case is it's almost like, since Tara's feeling guilty

582
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:56.759
<v Speaker 1>about feeling mad at her friend for trying to, you know,

583
00:32:56.960 --> 00:33:02.440
<v Speaker 1>commit suicide, that many times she's projecting that back at

584
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:07.799
<v Speaker 1>herself because she feels like this other person would have

585
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:11.400
<v Speaker 1>known that and would have felt angrily towards her. So

586
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:14.720
<v Speaker 1>in some ways, I see it's almost her being angry

587
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:20.680
<v Speaker 1>at herself. But that seems to me the direction I

588
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:23.759
<v Speaker 1>think it's going. And if that's the case, maybe if

589
00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:27.519
<v Speaker 1>you forgive yourself for being angry, you won't have the nightmare.

590
00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:31.680
<v Speaker 1>So much possible solution.

591
00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:35.240
<v Speaker 2>Yes, oh, you know what, I never really get to

592
00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:37.400
<v Speaker 2>talk about you, not that I'm like cutting this off.

593
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:40.400
<v Speaker 2>H No, is it? Last week I was at an

594
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:42.839
<v Speaker 2>event and I totally it was really I haven't met

595
00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:45.279
<v Speaker 2>this is the first time of really podcast, right, it's

596
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:48.920
<v Speaker 2>with you well on the shows. Yeah, fuck, that's right. Yeah,

597
00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:53.440
<v Speaker 2>that shit was a blessed just for people that obviously

598
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:55.839
<v Speaker 2>there was actually somebody there who knew who we were,

599
00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:58.640
<v Speaker 2>which actually blew my mind. I got actually post the

600
00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:01.000
<v Speaker 2>picture of it. I took a picture of the kid. Yeah,

601
00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:02.880
<v Speaker 2>somebody ran and came and ran and got me. There

602
00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:05.440
<v Speaker 2>was a these two older women. They were fucking awesome.

603
00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:08.239
<v Speaker 2>They're amazing. Linda Howell, who actually is like somebody in

604
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:10.960
<v Speaker 2>the paranormal community who will come on, and her friend Jerry.

605
00:34:11.960 --> 00:34:14.079
<v Speaker 2>They had boots next to me, and they knew why

606
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:15.840
<v Speaker 2>I was like somewhere else. They saw me going. I

607
00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:18.239
<v Speaker 2>think I was like I was on another podcast. There

608
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:21.800
<v Speaker 2>was these live podcasts that were covering like paranormal shit,

609
00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:25.800
<v Speaker 2>and I was telling them my paranormal experiences. And when

610
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:27.639
<v Speaker 2>I got done, one of them came in gradsmen like yo,

611
00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:29.280
<v Speaker 2>I think somebody was like waiting for you, were like

612
00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:30.880
<v Speaker 2>looking for you at your booth, and I was like, really,

613
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:33.920
<v Speaker 2>I was never there. I was all over the place,

614
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:37.119
<v Speaker 2>fucking going everywhere, talking to people this and that. And

615
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:38.960
<v Speaker 2>I went back and the dude was like, oh my god.

616
00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:40.599
<v Speaker 2>He's like yo. He's like I turned the corner and

617
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:42.280
<v Speaker 2>I saw the T shirts and he was like wait.

618
00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:45.079
<v Speaker 2>He's like what and he's like and then I saw

619
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:46.880
<v Speaker 2>you a banner and he's like, holy fuck, that's your

620
00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:49.400
<v Speaker 2>YouTube logo and he's like, yo, I cannot believe you here.

621
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:51.920
<v Speaker 2>He's like, I had no idea. He's like, yo, I've

622
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:54.800
<v Speaker 2>been listening to you for like three years. And I

623
00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:57.960
<v Speaker 2>was like, yo, what the fuck. Your assistant ended up

624
00:34:57.960 --> 00:34:59.639
<v Speaker 2>coming back later on by myself and she's like, you

625
00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:01.400
<v Speaker 2>have no I that when she just blew my brother's mud.

626
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<v Speaker 2>She's like, you cannot believe you just met you. I

627
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<v Speaker 2>was like, yo, I I can't believe that. Dude says

628
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<v Speaker 2>he's been listening to me for three.

629
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<v Speaker 1>Fucking years, like we have a really loyal audience. It

630
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<v Speaker 1>was like, wow, people follow us.

631
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<v Speaker 2>Oho Tower's been around since I had a bitch You channel.

632
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<v Speaker 1>And was just a patrin think.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that's like almost five years now. There's

634
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<v Speaker 2>a few people in here that have been around.

635
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<v Speaker 1>By the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but uh yeah, it was really cool. Yo. There

637
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:33.599
<v Speaker 2>was a lot of people there. I don't know about

638
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<v Speaker 2>Cosmic Summon. It might have been around the same amount,

639
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<v Speaker 2>but I can tell you right now from any of

640
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<v Speaker 2>the other events. I went to the lady already asked, uh, well,

641
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<v Speaker 2>she told me, she says, if you want to come

642
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<v Speaker 2>back next year, I'll put you on the list. I

643
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<v Speaker 2>said for sure. I said, I am definitely coming back,

644
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<v Speaker 2>And there was I had a fucking blast. There was

645
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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people there, a lot of booths, and

646
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:53.519
<v Speaker 2>all the booth people as cool as shit. I mean

647
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<v Speaker 2>I even had believe it or not. I did spend

648
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<v Speaker 2>a lot of time actually talking to people about like

649
00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:01.400
<v Speaker 2>kind of the occult, and I kept on showing them

650
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<v Speaker 2>the sticker and then showing them the eyeball situation. I

651
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<v Speaker 2>actually got a lot of people who are like after

652
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<v Speaker 2>I was done telling them that. They were like, you

653
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<v Speaker 2>know what, I'll take a sticker. I'm gonna check this out.

654
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<v Speaker 2>Like you know, I got people, I guess, you know,

655
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<v Speaker 2>as attention with that. So it was a good time though.

656
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<v Speaker 2>I had a really good time, and I would definitely

657
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<v Speaker 2>suggest that for next year, like again, I'll be going.

658
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<v Speaker 2>I would suggest if you're close by, it's actually worth

659
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<v Speaker 2>going to. And again it's like ten dollars a day.

660
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<v Speaker 2>There'll be hundreds of people there. There'll be tons of

661
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<v Speaker 2>shit going on. I mean, just the people at the Boots. Honestly,

662
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:36.119
<v Speaker 2>some of those people, the stuff that they're the experiences

663
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<v Speaker 2>they've had, or even this was one thing I thought,

664
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<v Speaker 2>and not have to keep going on about it. This

665
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:43.639
<v Speaker 2>shit these people made with their own hands was unbelievable

666
00:36:44.679 --> 00:36:47.239
<v Speaker 2>and the amount of time and passion these people, I

667
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:49.320
<v Speaker 2>would be totally honest with you, And this is what

668
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<v Speaker 2>I had said to somebody else and said, all of

669
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<v Speaker 2>us with our boots were a bunch of fucking nerds

670
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<v Speaker 2>geeking out on what we're into. That's what the fucking is.

671
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<v Speaker 2>And I've come here and I'm meeting a whole bunch

672
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<v Speaker 2>of other people that are fucking weird like me geeking

673
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<v Speaker 2>out on something they love doing, you know what I'm saying.

674
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<v Speaker 2>And I even be honest, booth people are proably the

675
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<v Speaker 2>most authentic and passionate people there out of even the speakers.

676
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<v Speaker 2>So definitely, I would definitely say, come check that ship

677
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<v Speaker 2>out if you're around next year. I even made it

678
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<v Speaker 2>for some people I didn't know. I made it on

679
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<v Speaker 2>the fucking thumbnail for the uh for the news of

680
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<v Speaker 2>the online news had a video attached to it, and

681
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<v Speaker 2>I'm on the thumbnail and at the end with my

682
00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:29.599
<v Speaker 2>fucking Venetia mask on throwing up the okay symbol. They

683
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:37.360
<v Speaker 2>fucking got me like that. I was like, I wonder

684
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<v Speaker 2>if it's that hands sign that actually got me on there.

685
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<v Speaker 1>That's the only way they take pictures of you.

686
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<v Speaker 2>You gotta, yeah, you never know, because I will say

687
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<v Speaker 2>it is a little weird that that out of everything,

688
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<v Speaker 2>got the fucking thumb yeah yeah, And I got the

689
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<v Speaker 2>Occult Reject shirt on and everything right there.

690
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<v Speaker 1>You gotta give them thirty three, you know, or something

691
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<v Speaker 1>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye next time, next time, Yeah, no, next time you're

693
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<v Speaker 2>gonna be there. I don't care if I have to

694
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<v Speaker 2>fucking fly you in myself.

695
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it sounds like fun, well it was. It was

696
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<v Speaker 1>a place. Absolutely, this has been a great episode. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you guys for joining us, and we'll see you again

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<v Speaker 1>next time.

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<v Speaker 2>Later