Speaker 1: You see somethings going to happen.
Speaker 2: What what's gonna happen? I'll take one what.
Speaker 1: Help everybody to another? Unless's magical mail bag. I'm joined
Speaker 1: as always by my co host Nick Nick. Tell them
Speaker 1: what you're up to, Tell them where they can find you.
Speaker 2: What is going on? What am I up to? I'm
Speaker 2: still recording a gidnod Bruno recording part two. It should
Speaker 2: be a two part series that should be dropping right
Speaker 2: after the Halloween hopefully. Uh. And what else we got
Speaker 2: coming up? Uh the fourteenth, your cult rejects will be
Speaker 2: getting together the whole crew. We'll be talking about Serpent
Speaker 2: in the Rainbow and zombies, so that should be fun.
Speaker 2: Another thing I guess I can advertise a little bit
Speaker 2: December fifth through seventh. I forgot that of it. I
Speaker 2: don't think you have more information. I won't have a booth,
Speaker 2: but I will be at another event. It's gonna be
Speaker 2: in Phoenix, Arizona, and it's gonna be like a lot
Speaker 2: of that like megalithic stuff, very much like cosmic summing,
Speaker 2: almost like the same thing. But I will be there,
Speaker 2: so if there's anybody going there, you know I'll be there.
Speaker 2: And that's what Zobe can hang out and show out
Speaker 2: and shit, I'll be uh, I'll be with the press paths.
Speaker 2: So just I'm sure you'll see me walking around taking
Speaker 2: pictures and shit. So yeah, come check that out. And
Speaker 2: uh yeah, I guess that's really about it. I don't
Speaker 2: think we got anything really going on. Oh do we
Speaker 2: got any Oh this Sunday or Saturday Sunday, we got
Speaker 2: two shows. Unfortunately only one of them will be alive.
Speaker 2: We'll have Deborah on, she's been on this show actually before.
Speaker 2: And we got Ivy the Occultist coming on the Occult Rejects. Finally,
Speaker 2: it's been like a year in the works that I've
Speaker 2: been trying to get this girl on. Very busy woman,
Speaker 2: she was writing a book and all this other stuff
Speaker 2: that you know entails with that and just you know, shit,
Speaker 2: trying to get our own stuff going. Finally got her on.
Speaker 2: That should be uh, that should be should be interesting,
Speaker 2: should be really fun and hopefully uh after that we'll
Speaker 2: be able to get a few other type of occultists on.
Speaker 2: They will hopefully open the door for us just keeping
Speaker 2: it real. So should be shed you know, definitely be interesting.
Speaker 2: So yeah, check that out. I won't be live unfortunately,
Speaker 2: but I will be dropping it probably the week, you
Speaker 2: know that, within a few days. I don't want to
Speaker 2: hold back on that one. So definitely check that out.
Speaker 2: It should be interesting. It should be the almost the
Speaker 2: whole cult reject crew with Ivy the Occultists, and we'll
Speaker 2: be talking chaos magic. All right. There you go, Thank you, sir.
Speaker 1: Awesome. I gotta get on TikTok. Dude, I just got
Speaker 1: the setup for the Alchemy. No I saw.
Speaker 2: I'm just looking at you said, I'm like, Yo, this
Speaker 2: dude ain't playing around.
Speaker 1: Dude. Yeah, it's a socks slid extractor. I got the
Speaker 1: big one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw hear that, ladies, he's got the big one.
Speaker 2: I've seen it. Yeah, No, I saw that show. I
Speaker 2: was like, Yo, this, this guy's like that joking like
Speaker 2: he's buying shit for this.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, like I thinks you're so cool to watch,
Speaker 1: right you. It's basically like a really complicated way of
Speaker 1: making tea pretty much. But what you do is you
Speaker 1: put the alcohol in the bottom of it, right, it
Speaker 1: starts to evaporate and then condense back down and then
Speaker 1: goes through your goes through your material that you're trying
Speaker 1: to extract, and so you put the alcohol through an
Speaker 1: alcohol train and then you pick out the essential oils
Speaker 1: for many plants, so you can be making all sorts
Speaker 1: of stuff with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly nice, dude. No, that's awesome that you're
Speaker 2: doing that. That is sick. I that was I almost
Speaker 2: got into that myself. There was a few people I
Speaker 2: knew from the OTO or just in magic too. Before
Speaker 2: I had, like, you know, kind of stepped out of
Speaker 2: that whole occult community. There was a few people that
Speaker 2: had just started. You get COVID gave people time to
Speaker 2: start doing shit. People were like, yeah, I'm gonna staw
Speaker 2: fucking with alchemy. I'm gonna start a distracting my own
Speaker 2: oilsh People started to do shit, and uh, it was
Speaker 2: pretty interesting. I thought of it again. I thought about
Speaker 2: doing it myself, but I started a podcast instead.
Speaker 1: So I'm picking up the picture. This thing is okay.
Speaker 1: So I had one before, but it was nowhere near
Speaker 1: the size. I think it was one hundred c seeds
Speaker 1: or I forget the measurement. Where is it? Of course
Speaker 1: I gotta convert. Oh there it is. M look at
Speaker 1: that bad boy. Oh yeah, once it's all put together.
Speaker 1: It's easily like three feet. It's fucking cool. So the
Speaker 1: condensers on top, so as the alcohol is heated up
Speaker 1: down here, it goes in through the uh, through the
Speaker 1: material that you've got in a thimble, right, and then
Speaker 1: it extracts. Well, the steam keeps going up and up here.
Speaker 1: You hook up cold water to it so you don't
Speaker 1: lose any of the alcohol. It condenses back down into
Speaker 1: the subject, so it's continuously reverberating up through the top
Speaker 1: and then down through the bottom.
Speaker 2: It does look like a bomb, like somebody said, I mean,
Speaker 2: that's quite obvious though.
Speaker 1: It definitely does, but a little different than a bomb.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think is cool as shit. Dude, Yo,
Speaker 2: you know what I and I sure, I really, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say it, so now I have to do it.
Speaker 2: But like something that I have, I don't know if
Speaker 2: you've even mentioned it to you, something, I definitely want
Speaker 2: to do it within like I'm trying to give myself
Speaker 2: like three years, maybe four, but I'd rather do it
Speaker 2: in two or three. I'm going to eventually get a
Speaker 2: piece of property and I want to put like unfortunately,
Speaker 2: I want to try to do like the cheapest, but
Speaker 2: like most reliable way to do it probably getting like
Speaker 2: two of those fucking Amazon houses and somehow putting them
Speaker 2: together and stick on a piece of property. I actually
Speaker 2: want to start an alchemy lab, and like I don't
Speaker 2: know how to explain it. It's not a lodge, but
Speaker 2: I like to have an alchemy lab and actually have
Speaker 2: like a place where like books are set up, and
Speaker 2: like I'll actually do classes or whatever, like lectures and seminars.
Speaker 2: I actually do want to have like an actual place
Speaker 2: for the occult rejects, and like it will be open
Speaker 2: to people to come there at certain times, like a
Speaker 2: regular place. That is actually something I do plan on
Speaker 2: trying to do. And I want an alchemy lab in the.
Speaker 1: Motherfuck m Well, I'll help you out about that.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, no, I want to try to strategically
Speaker 2: even find a place in the United States that makes
Speaker 2: it closer for a lot of people in case they
Speaker 2: ever want to come, Like it would be open to
Speaker 2: any of the rejects obviously in the fans.
Speaker 1: You know, what do you feel about a zooe?
Speaker 2: What's that.
Speaker 1: We pull it up?
Speaker 2: I would be totally honest with you. I would like
Speaker 2: to eventually have somebody there or us. Eventually those things
Speaker 2: would be cool. Uh. I want to actually create a
Speaker 2: free energy machine. Oh well, yeah, to run I know
Speaker 2: a couple to run our own I don't want to say,
Speaker 2: you know whatever, you know what I'm getting it. I
Speaker 2: actually think that's one of the reasons why some places
Speaker 2: get raided is because that's like, that's actually the real problem.
Speaker 2: They don't want people doing that. Is that their pyramids
Speaker 2: or they got some weird shit going on there that Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're off the fucking grig because we're creating our own energy.
Speaker 1: Right. Well, you got electrolysis of water gives you HHL,
Speaker 1: which is fuel, you know, so all you gotta do
Speaker 1: is hook it up to other power sources and then
Speaker 1: you're constantly running you know hh So you can use
Speaker 1: that as gasoline, you can use that as heating, all
Speaker 1: sorts of stuff. You can use it to.
Speaker 2: Well between like just between the people we the stuff
Speaker 2: we know, and the people we know. There'd be no
Speaker 2: reason why I wouldn't be able to do something like that.
Speaker 2: If thro a will, let's just keep it. There'll be
Speaker 2: no reason why not as long is you know, people
Speaker 2: aren't I guess, you know, running their mouths about what's
Speaker 2: going on over there.
Speaker 1: Right, and you wouldn't have to be afraid that it's
Speaker 1: a crazy place because we're gonna be streaming all the time.
Speaker 2: Well that that's another thing too. Yeah, It's like if
Speaker 2: I did lectures or any shit like that, I would
Speaker 2: I would fucking obviously recorded any of the ship that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I would want to do that all. Yeah, you're totally right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: exactly absolutely So.
Speaker 1: Uh for the symbol I brought Anana, Now, what's your
Speaker 1: first impression there, because it's a very iconic image.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, she looks a little bit different from other ways. Oh,
Speaker 2: I could be getting in Ishtar confused though, but she
Speaker 2: she was a little bit skinnier than normal for some reason.
Speaker 2: I always felt the about it. Well, the other one
Speaker 2: was like a little little thicker.
Speaker 1: Is Andana are are basically kind of really close syncretisms
Speaker 1: of one another, right, so you get a big crossover
Speaker 1: between the two. But I think Nana is the Babylonian
Speaker 1: version and Ishtar is like, well, yeah, Ishtar's babylon Inana's assumer.
Speaker 2: Yes, there's a lot going on in here. I mean
Speaker 2: besides the I mean even the things in her back,
Speaker 2: the star, the lion, I mean her foot on.
Speaker 1: It, the foot on the lion. Dude, that's the theme
Speaker 1: that has been going on throughout all history. Is the
Speaker 1: woman with her foot on the Lion's so crazy.
Speaker 2: You know what it's it that's even like almost uh
Speaker 2: reminiscent over maybe the opposite of is it like the
Speaker 2: Russian's flag or he's not got his foot but he's
Speaker 2: like got his like sword like through a snake, like
Speaker 2: you're still keeping something down. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, think about the picture of what's his name slaying
Speaker 1: the bull and the Roman temples. It was Zoroastrianism sort
Speaker 1: of what was his name?
Speaker 2: Though? Her wings remind me of that Zoroastrian look too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's that's where you get a lot of
Speaker 1: that imagery from. Is from this region. Those wings stick
Speaker 1: stuck around for thousands and thousands of years, but uh
Speaker 1: anana I had it pulled up. The thing that pops
Speaker 1: out to me is this horror babylon idea, Right, she
Speaker 1: embodies that horror of Babylon motif, and she's most often
Speaker 1: syncretized with Venus or Aphrodite or all the rest of
Speaker 1: this stuff. She's the goddess of love, fertility, and war, right,
Speaker 1: all of these things all mixed together, and she was
Speaker 1: actually worshiped in temples that were their own, separate city
Speaker 1: from the rest of this and so they kept that
Speaker 1: city sacred to Ishtaranana all throughout the generations, so as
Speaker 1: they're fighting each other, they don't go to the place.
Speaker 1: It's never touched by war until after. I think it
Speaker 1: was the daughter of the guy who hammer Robbie. I believe, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it was before Hammer Robbie. But anyways, this place was
Speaker 1: sort of like a holy site that all the other
Speaker 1: sites sort of copied off of, especially with aphrodity, because
Speaker 1: you know, the Greeks are like two thousand years after
Speaker 1: this time period. Everything in Sumer was completely preserved too,
Speaker 1: by the way, because they wrote everything on bricks. I mean,
Speaker 1: how do you get a better way of preserving information
Speaker 1: that writing on a fucking brick. You know, it's interesting
Speaker 1: they wrote.
Speaker 2: Now this thing too, is that a I would assume
Speaker 2: this is like a cylinder seal like rolling type thing
Speaker 2: or I'm not, well, not a seal, but like it
Speaker 2: was that something that was carved in them, pressed into clay.
Speaker 2: You think, you know, you know what I'm getting it?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like, I.
Speaker 1: Get that impression. It feels like it was some kind
Speaker 1: of a mold.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, sorry, getting a mold or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, But if that's the case, you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's definitely goes back to that coppery idea because they're
Speaker 1: definitely using copper if that's in the in the shape
Speaker 1: that it is, you know, and uh, you know copper's venus,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, everything else, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would even say this color, I mean, well,
Speaker 2: I mean you're gonna get that kind of color maybe
Speaker 2: anyway with clayish, but well not necessarily, but even this
Speaker 2: color almost kind of.
Speaker 1: Helps. It's a really strong orange green uh transition too, which.
Speaker 2: The orange is green orange would kind of go with
Speaker 2: starting like a lion a little bit right, kind of
Speaker 2: getting a little bit close to gold for Leo, this
Speaker 2: could even be a mixture of like golden green. Really yeah,
Speaker 2: I really like this seal. It's very interesting. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of shit in there. Like even even the differences
Speaker 2: in those things on our back, I guarantee means something.
Speaker 1: Hey put it star, dude, eight pointed star. We're gonna
Speaker 1: be talking about chaos magic. It goes straight back to
Speaker 1: the goddess.
Speaker 2: Dude, ye, and I's got an eight point in star
Speaker 2: on the I think on those thumbnail.
Speaker 1: I can't believe people don't put that together. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what chaos magic really, you know comes out of.
Speaker 1: Is is this anana worship fertility? Right? You could say
Speaker 1: that's increase, right, and then you've got love love spells
Speaker 1: usually chaos magic, and then war. Right, she is chaos magic.
Speaker 2: I love how like it's funny, how like sex of
Speaker 2: war just goes together. He gave the bitch some dick
Speaker 2: and she wants to kill everybody.
Speaker 1: Now, Aphrodite, the first person that she cheated on Hiphestus
Speaker 1: with was Aries, so she was forcefully married to Hyphestus.
Speaker 1: Zeus said, you have to marry somebody, and it has
Speaker 1: to be that guy because hi Festus was crippled, and
Speaker 1: so they made Aphrodite Mary Hiphestus. And then the first
Speaker 1: person that she cheats on high Us as with is
Speaker 1: the god of war.
Speaker 2: You know, I thought I saw today that they said
Speaker 2: Aries was like the only god in his pantheon that
Speaker 2: actually didn't abuse women to be Yeah, yeah, they said,
Speaker 2: if anything, there was one time or any think I
Speaker 2: forgot the story or they he like actually fucked somebody
Speaker 2: up because I think they put their hands on a
Speaker 2: chick or rate the chick. But they said that he's
Speaker 2: actually like the only one who like never put his
Speaker 2: hands on a woman. And it's just interesting, like the
Speaker 2: god of war was actually the one who never slapped
Speaker 2: the chick around.
Speaker 1: Well, I have an interesting comparison. I hope it doesn't
Speaker 1: give me a bad form YouTube, but uh aries. The
Speaker 1: way that they would worship aries in Sparta is by
Speaker 1: having these kids bring puppies to the temple and then
Speaker 1: kill the puppies. They were training school shooters, like that
Speaker 1: was the idea. Like they wanted these kids to be
Speaker 1: absolutely psychopathic and bloodthirsty and they started that from an
Speaker 1: early age.
Speaker 2: School shoot is back in the day, that's what they wanted.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like these people will kill without stopping,
Speaker 1: but you know in that you have that kind of
Speaker 1: I don't know, innocence as well, So it's like this
Speaker 1: you know, child assassin kind of feel you.
Speaker 2: Haven't even heard back in the day. They think drugs
Speaker 2: might have been involved, even like help put them in
Speaker 2: a for.
Speaker 1: Oh fuck yeah. And the Greeks were masters of drugs.
Speaker 1: You know, they knew the entire pharmacopeia lost so much
Speaker 1: since then, but they had they had drugs that you
Speaker 1: could take. There were a border factors, so they had
Speaker 1: birth control back then.
Speaker 2: Like why do they always give us stew before a war?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It's always soup and it
Speaker 2: tastes weird.
Speaker 1: When I was in the Army, they kept telling us
Speaker 1: that they put saltpeter in the egg. Yeah, that's probably
Speaker 1: what they say at prison too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is that true. I can tell you when I
Speaker 2: was in unfortunately, because I spent some time in federal prison,
Speaker 2: I was on a it was on a base too,
Speaker 2: four dicks. It's on a four dicks obviously in Jersey.
Speaker 1: The other side in Jersey. Oh were you Yeah, I
Speaker 1: did annual training.
Speaker 2: That's right. You had told me that's right. That's right.
Speaker 2: You're on the other side of the fence, and I
Speaker 2: was on the Yeah, that's crazy. Uh. Yeah. And the
Speaker 2: places that they put us in used to be like
Speaker 2: your old barracks if people were there. But the thing
Speaker 2: is we got fed the same food they fed them there.
Speaker 2: And some of the ship that was on that packaging
Speaker 2: was actually a little weird, Like some of them would
Speaker 2: say not for human consumption or would say, uh, what
Speaker 2: was one of the that's that sweetener they use, like
Speaker 2: they have like warnings of that ship on the boxes,
Speaker 2: and I was like, yo, like yo, guys in the
Speaker 2: kitchen would literally like take the risk too of like
Speaker 2: ripping shit off and bringing it back to show people
Speaker 2: like this is what the fuck this? Shiit says in
Speaker 2: the kitchen like this is what they're feeding us, damn,
Speaker 2: And they're like, yo, it's crazy to give him the
Speaker 2: fucking service.
Speaker 1: The guys in the service, Yeah, MR's are fucking wild, dude.
Speaker 1: They had the wildest MR I've ever had was a
Speaker 1: uh what was it? Egg omelet MRI? And so that
Speaker 1: was the entree and you would put that little package
Speaker 1: and heat it up. But what the fuck are you
Speaker 1: doing making a freeze dried or like dehydrated omelet and
Speaker 1: putting that in there like they're hiding so much like
Speaker 1: everybody avoided that. There would be piles of these egg
Speaker 1: omelet MREs and people are like I don't want that
Speaker 1: one anything, But there are a couple like that chicken
Speaker 1: Ali king too.
Speaker 2: Oh, trying to make an MRI sound good chick.
Speaker 1: No, just think about the worst possible way to prepare
Speaker 1: this food. And so that's what you want to avoid.
Speaker 2: You think, Alex Jones.
Speaker 1: Oh right, Yeah, they're supposed to have a five year
Speaker 1: shelf life, but the original sea rations had a twenty
Speaker 1: year shelf life. Oh so the stuff they were given,
Speaker 1: the guys over in Vietnam were like even more loaded
Speaker 1: up with chemicals.
Speaker 2: It's so nice. All right, Uh'll get over to you
Speaker 2: want to pull up my I thing here, we'll get
Speaker 2: this going. Yeah, all right, so we got the end.
Speaker 2: This unicorn seal. The in this unicorn seal is a
Speaker 2: small square or fired stee type I don't know, I
Speaker 2: don't have to pronounce that right, type of stone, carved
Speaker 2: in a Taglio intagio with a one horned or long
Speaker 2: and long necked creature standing before a curious stand.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And it's often read as a you know, as an altar,
Speaker 2: or it's an incense burner. It's often used on like
Speaker 2: on an altar for incense, and it's topped by a
Speaker 2: line of characters in the still undeciphered script. They're not
Speaker 2: exactly sure what it means. Museums catalog hundreds of them,
Speaker 2: each both have a seal like an administrative stamp and
Speaker 2: a sigil, a charged reoccurring image where and where it
Speaker 2: first shows up. Archaologically speaking, the motif belongs to a
Speaker 2: to the mature harp harrowpan phase of the Indus civilization,
Speaker 2: and that is roughly around twenty six hundred to nineteen
Speaker 2: hundred BCE. Examples come from from the great baked brick
Speaker 2: cities of Mohenjo Daro in Harapa and today's Pakistan, and
Speaker 2: from dala Vera if I'm saying that right, and other
Speaker 2: other places in Indian major collections. You can find them
Speaker 2: in the British set. What's funny how the British Museum
Speaker 2: and the met always comes up like it's those two
Speaker 2: museums always have this shit. It's interesting realism. Major collections
Speaker 2: date and describe them consistently. Square stamp sales of burnt
Speaker 2: ste Tite or stee Tite with a unicorn and inscription
Speaker 2: on the face. In September nineteen twenty four, Sir John Marshall,
Speaker 2: then Director of the Archaeological Survey of India, announced the
Speaker 2: civilization to the world in the Illustrated London News and
Speaker 2: these were in there. What it looks like and how
Speaker 2: to spot an authentic one, and I will move over
Speaker 2: to another picture you can check out that one. A
Speaker 2: typical unicorn seal is about three to five centimeters square.
Speaker 2: The animal is shown in strict profile, elongated body, a
Speaker 2: single arcing horn, often with a ribbed in spiral rendering.
Speaker 2: The neck carries a banded blanket or halter in two
Speaker 2: or three insized lines. In front of the muzzle stands
Speaker 2: a mysterious device with a grill or sea like top.
Speaker 2: Above runs a short line of indisc characters. Many seals
Speaker 2: are perforated on the reverse so they can be strung
Speaker 2: and worn and also gripped while pressing the face into
Speaker 2: wet clay excavated pieces and some gulf area In this style,
Speaker 2: seals especially spelicically noted the pierced grooved boss who made
Speaker 2: them and how. Excavations in Harapa Mound E exposed a
Speaker 2: specialized workshop for steatite and furnaces, and it had raw
Speaker 2: materials and like production debris showing for the wet day
Speaker 2: Believe shows an expert craft like area where seal carvers
Speaker 2: worked alongside bead makers. Technical studies were done to reconstruct
Speaker 2: the process of making these. It's again its carved soft
Speaker 2: steel tite. They fire it at about nine hundred to
Speaker 2: one thousand degrees cells and that's what gives it to
Speaker 2: hardened and sometimes produces a pale glaze and the inlay
Speaker 2: or rub with white paste into incisions. On some examples,
Speaker 2: stylistic work on large samples shows multiple hands and lineages
Speaker 2: of artisans rather than a single one, because you will
Speaker 2: see variations in horn shape, the neck banding, and the
Speaker 2: little thread marks on the throat map to distinct carving traditions.
Speaker 2: There's another sign we're looking at as that's basically like
Speaker 2: a sign of showing that it's a distributed administrative system
Speaker 2: across towns using a shared icon of shared symbols.
Speaker 1: That's what the Martok blade that you were showing last time.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's you know what. That's what it made me
Speaker 2: think about how it was like something that was like
Speaker 2: kind of like mass produced and it had reasons for it,
Speaker 2: like they think that this again, like there was like
Speaker 2: certain things being said and it could be a talisman
Speaker 2: where it traveled in this Unicorn seals and close cousins
Speaker 2: didn't really stay in the area. By the early millennium, BCE.
Speaker 2: Indus style seals and impressions turn up in the golf
Speaker 2: in Mesopotamia at er Sousa, the lum and sometimes with
Speaker 2: in this in this sorry, Yeah, they show up in
Speaker 2: those areas and where else. The classic paper trail goes
Speaker 2: back to CG. Gad's nineteen thirty two notice of Indus
Speaker 2: style seals at yuur So. I mean that's where they're
Speaker 2: even getting some of the stuff. It's from that guy
Speaker 2: finding it. Nobody can read the script unfortunately, yet, so
Speaker 2: all meetings are argued from you know, context and repetition.
Speaker 2: We see them labels and careful but clear unfunctions, seals,
Speaker 2: remarks of ownership status, and administrative tools for stamping packages,
Speaker 2: jars and bales, exactly what we expect in a civilization
Speaker 2: running standardized weights, long distance trade, and warehouse logistics. Which
Speaker 2: is interesting because I mean, I mean, I guess it
Speaker 2: was advanced like that then, but I mean that I don't.
Speaker 1: Know that was their brand. Yeah, like everybody knew it
Speaker 1: came from the end of his valley.
Speaker 2: If it had that brand on it, that's It's like
Speaker 2: that when you got a bag of dope on the streets,
Speaker 2: it has a stamp on it.
Speaker 1: You know, this is the Nike yeah.
Speaker 2: Matrix bags from then from East New York. God, I
Speaker 2: remember those things, Uh, usage in daily life. I mean
Speaker 2: it's really not you know, it's really not used anymore.
Speaker 2: It's just kind of just shown. But yeah, that's about it.
Speaker 2: They again, they don't know what it says, and they
Speaker 2: really not, you know, he can't really put it to
Speaker 2: like one person. So I thought it was interesting looking. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was different. Let me see, I got other ones too.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't know what the fuck that thing is. It's
Speaker 1: in front of it looks like it's catching something or
Speaker 1: maybe a flower or what is it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, remember it was like almost like a sieve or
Speaker 2: something like. They didn't know, Like yeah, I mean sounds
Speaker 2: crazy blood letting. I mean, who knows.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But what's interesting about those lines is in the
Speaker 1: very first one, it kind of looked like those lines
Speaker 1: were like folds of skin on a rhinoceros.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: his He's really good because when I saw that before,
Speaker 2: I was like, Yo, that isn't something that like I
Speaker 2: would as associate with like a you know, a unicorn
Speaker 2: like you were saying. It was like the neck of
Speaker 2: like a different type of animal, something that had like
Speaker 2: like folding skin.
Speaker 1: Well, there it looks kind of shaggy, like it might
Speaker 1: have fur on its head.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this one looks different, right, Well, the.
Speaker 1: Other ones have little on the face, and so that
Speaker 1: could be an indication of the fur in different ways.
Speaker 1: But it's so strange how they go for those same
Speaker 1: exact details, you know, just in different ways.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is if you if you actually do notice,
Speaker 2: if you look at all these there's like certain things
Speaker 2: that are always still repeated. It just it's a little
Speaker 2: bit off to think. On the neck this like heart
Speaker 2: upside out heart type of looking thing. They'll be showing
Speaker 2: that one hang another and this thing is in the Yeah,
Speaker 2: like those things are like always consistent if you're actually
Speaker 2: going through all of them. Yeah, it's all consistent.
Speaker 1: Well, some of the words on top change though, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: But that those certain symbols are always there, right, Just
Speaker 2: thing like that doesn't deviate.
Speaker 1: Really, That one has two fishes next to each other. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think there are definite patterns to these letters.
Speaker 1: And what I think that's indicating is that Sumer probably
Speaker 1: was in the origin of language and alphabet. That's just
Speaker 1: the impression I get. They say that it was a
Speaker 1: thousand BC, but I don't know, man, they could have
Speaker 1: been using that way before that. They'd have to show
Speaker 1: me some mark because I mean, that looks so unique
Speaker 1: and it's not related to any other language, so clearly
Speaker 1: it's got to be the oldest. That's what I think.
Speaker 2: There's an interesting one, all right.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a great sense about I like you.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, it's finding it interesting how we both
Speaker 2: pretty much had clay things today. Yeah, because I was
Speaker 2: even thinking, like, yo, this whole sigil thing, like I'm
Speaker 2: gonna have to go a little bit beyond like a
Speaker 2: sigil symbol to go like you know, art or engravings
Speaker 2: or even paintings or sculptures at this point. So we
Speaker 2: got any mail, Yeah, we do.
Speaker 1: We got some male from Terra.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Tarrid Jackson.
Speaker 1: It starts Tara Jackson.
Speaker 2: Yet.
Speaker 1: So, my best friend, like sixth grade killed herself about
Speaker 1: ten years ago, and she had tried numerous, numerous times
Speaker 1: before that. She really didn't want to be here. She
Speaker 1: tried electrical therapy, she tried all kinds of stuff to
Speaker 1: fix her brain, but in the end she did finally
Speaker 1: achieve her goal and is no longer here. For well
Speaker 1: about at least twenty five years. Before she died, we
Speaker 1: weren't astrange but our lives to give her pads that
Speaker 1: we didn't talk a whole lot, but if ever, and
Speaker 1: we did talk and there was no difference, just like
Speaker 1: we were always sisters. When we were in sixth grade,
Speaker 1: we would hang out at the creek and just have
Speaker 1: these conversations, these long, intense, really important conversations till eleven
Speaker 1: year old girls have their best friends through schools. She
Speaker 1: was the one I told I lost my virginity abortions.
Speaker 2: She was my sister.
Speaker 1: More than my sister. She was a lot of things
Speaker 1: to me, and she was beautiful. Once or twice, I
Speaker 1: would get a text message in the middle of the night,
Speaker 1: I just said I love you, and I would know
Speaker 1: it if it was her. I would know what she
Speaker 1: was probably doing and there's nothing I could do about that.
Speaker 1: And after the couple really serious attempts where she almost
Speaker 1: didn't make it, I started to get mad about it,
Speaker 1: and I started to get mad at her. I never
Speaker 1: told her that, though of course she was addicted to heroin,
Speaker 1: she was addicted to OxyContin and xanax for years. She
Speaker 1: got pregnant, and she ended up having a baby and
Speaker 1: then giving the baby up for about five months to
Speaker 1: take care of the baby. And I think that's probably
Speaker 1: what it finally succeeded. God bless I'm glad she did it.
Speaker 1: Did not want to be here. Apparently she's much happier
Speaker 1: now wherever she is. For the last few years, I've
Speaker 1: been having dreams about her almost every night I will
Speaker 1: go to sleep. They've always been nightmares. She's always mad
Speaker 1: at me. She will never talk to me, and I
Speaker 1: don't dream about people I know. Usually people in my
Speaker 1: dreams are just I don't know dream people, So that
Speaker 1: alone is weird. Because she kept popping up in my dreams,
Speaker 1: and she was always mad at me, and I could
Speaker 1: never really talk to her in these dreams, literally sometimes
Speaker 1: five a week, always a nightmare, Always she's mad. A
Speaker 1: couple of nights ago, I was sleeping in my friend's
Speaker 1: bed and had a very long, detailed dream. It's the
Speaker 1: first time I remember in a very long time she
Speaker 1: was in it, but she was mad this time, and
Speaker 1: she talked to me time. I had to wear in
Speaker 1: all of my dreams and ask her why she is
Speaker 1: always in my dreams? And why am I dreaming about
Speaker 1: her now so much? Is she always mad at me
Speaker 1: in my dreams? And I asked her because I'm wasting
Speaker 1: my life still is and I know she shook her.
Speaker 1: I had yes in my dream and she shook. I
Speaker 1: asked her another question or two, and she said yes
Speaker 1: to both of them. I don't want to get into it,
Speaker 1: because I know not everything needs to be talked about here.
Speaker 1: But we were in the sixth grade and made it
Speaker 1: past one of us died and would let the other
Speaker 1: one know somehow we'd come back to haunt each other.
Speaker 1: Her and I also played with Luigi quite a bit
Speaker 1: in the eighth grade and had to stop because our
Speaker 1: friend's sister started acting like a weirdo and spooked us out.
Speaker 1: She saw the ghost of my dad, I think, in
Speaker 1: my bedroom one night while we were sleeping, and she
Speaker 1: told me about the next day. I showed her a picture.
Speaker 1: My son saw him as well, but that's a different story.
Speaker 1: I don't believe in ghosts anymore. She was an atheist
Speaker 1: by the time she had died, but the Bible says
Speaker 1: the dead know nothing of this world. But I also
Speaker 1: know that anything is possible with God. If it weren't
Speaker 1: for the fact that I don't dream about people I
Speaker 1: know hardly ever in every single dream I've had, then
Speaker 1: that's what's happening. And it only this time she talked
Speaker 1: to me and acknowledged me, and it feels so real.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means, but I'm glad to
Speaker 1: hear her one more time.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I hope this makes sense. I'm sorry that any other
Speaker 1: story I've sent you is probably really a mess. Thank
Speaker 1: you for listening. If nothing else, well, thank you Tara
Speaker 1: for that dream story. But yeah, I mean dreaming about
Speaker 1: people who have died is one of the most intense
Speaker 1: things imaginable. I mean, if it's happening so often, it's
Speaker 1: definitely something to pay attention to.
Speaker 2: You think you're something behind that.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean usually what I see in
Speaker 1: that case is it's almost like, since Tara's feeling guilty
Speaker 1: about feeling mad at her friend for trying to, you know,
Speaker 1: commit suicide, that many times she's projecting that back at
Speaker 1: herself because she feels like this other person would have
Speaker 1: known that and would have felt angrily towards her. So
Speaker 1: in some ways, I see it's almost her being angry
Speaker 1: at herself. But that seems to me the direction I
Speaker 1: think it's going. And if that's the case, maybe if
Speaker 1: you forgive yourself for being angry, you won't have the nightmare.
Speaker 1: So much possible solution.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh, you know what, I never really get to
Speaker 2: talk about you, not that I'm like cutting this off.
Speaker 2: H No, is it? Last week I was at an
Speaker 2: event and I totally it was really I haven't met
Speaker 2: this is the first time of really podcast, right, it's
Speaker 2: with you well on the shows. Yeah, fuck, that's right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that shit was a blessed just for people that obviously
Speaker 2: there was actually somebody there who knew who we were,
Speaker 2: which actually blew my mind. I got actually post the
Speaker 2: picture of it. I took a picture of the kid. Yeah,
Speaker 2: somebody ran and came and ran and got me. There
Speaker 2: was a these two older women. They were fucking awesome.
Speaker 2: They're amazing. Linda Howell, who actually is like somebody in
Speaker 2: the paranormal community who will come on, and her friend Jerry.
Speaker 2: They had boots next to me, and they knew why
Speaker 2: I was like somewhere else. They saw me going. I
Speaker 2: think I was like I was on another podcast. There
Speaker 2: was these live podcasts that were covering like paranormal shit,
Speaker 2: and I was telling them my paranormal experiences. And when
Speaker 2: I got done, one of them came in gradsmen like yo,
Speaker 2: I think somebody was like waiting for you, were like
Speaker 2: looking for you at your booth, and I was like, really,
Speaker 2: I was never there. I was all over the place,
Speaker 2: fucking going everywhere, talking to people this and that. And
Speaker 2: I went back and the dude was like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: He's like yo. He's like I turned the corner and
Speaker 2: I saw the T shirts and he was like wait.
Speaker 2: He's like what and he's like and then I saw
Speaker 2: you a banner and he's like, holy fuck, that's your
Speaker 2: YouTube logo and he's like, yo, I cannot believe you here.
Speaker 2: He's like, I had no idea. He's like, yo, I've
Speaker 2: been listening to you for like three years. And I
Speaker 2: was like, yo, what the fuck. Your assistant ended up
Speaker 2: coming back later on by myself and she's like, you
Speaker 2: have no I that when she just blew my brother's mud.
Speaker 2: She's like, you cannot believe you just met you. I
Speaker 2: was like, yo, I I can't believe that. Dude says
Speaker 2: he's been listening to me for three.
Speaker 1: Fucking years, like we have a really loyal audience. It
Speaker 1: was like, wow, people follow us.
Speaker 2: Oho Tower's been around since I had a bitch You channel.
Speaker 1: And was just a patrin think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's like almost five years now. There's
Speaker 2: a few people in here that have been around.
Speaker 1: By the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but uh yeah, it was really cool. Yo. There
Speaker 2: was a lot of people there. I don't know about
Speaker 2: Cosmic Summon. It might have been around the same amount,
Speaker 2: but I can tell you right now from any of
Speaker 2: the other events. I went to the lady already asked, uh, well,
Speaker 2: she told me, she says, if you want to come
Speaker 2: back next year, I'll put you on the list. I
Speaker 2: said for sure. I said, I am definitely coming back,
Speaker 2: And there was I had a fucking blast. There was
Speaker 2: a lot of people there, a lot of booths, and
Speaker 2: all the booth people as cool as shit. I mean
Speaker 2: I even had believe it or not. I did spend
Speaker 2: a lot of time actually talking to people about like
Speaker 2: kind of the occult, and I kept on showing them
Speaker 2: the sticker and then showing them the eyeball situation. I
Speaker 2: actually got a lot of people who are like after
Speaker 2: I was done telling them that. They were like, you
Speaker 2: know what, I'll take a sticker. I'm gonna check this out.
Speaker 2: Like you know, I got people, I guess, you know,
Speaker 2: as attention with that. So it was a good time though.
Speaker 2: I had a really good time, and I would definitely
Speaker 2: suggest that for next year, like again, I'll be going.
Speaker 2: I would suggest if you're close by, it's actually worth
Speaker 2: going to. And again it's like ten dollars a day.
Speaker 2: There'll be hundreds of people there. There'll be tons of
Speaker 2: shit going on. I mean, just the people at the Boots. Honestly,
Speaker 2: some of those people, the stuff that they're the experiences
Speaker 2: they've had, or even this was one thing I thought,
Speaker 2: and not have to keep going on about it. This
Speaker 2: shit these people made with their own hands was unbelievable
Speaker 2: and the amount of time and passion these people, I
Speaker 2: would be totally honest with you, And this is what
Speaker 2: I had said to somebody else and said, all of
Speaker 2: us with our boots were a bunch of fucking nerds
Speaker 2: geeking out on what we're into. That's what the fucking is.
Speaker 2: And I've come here and I'm meeting a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of other people that are fucking weird like me geeking
Speaker 2: out on something they love doing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And I even be honest, booth people are proably the
Speaker 2: most authentic and passionate people there out of even the speakers.
Speaker 2: So definitely, I would definitely say, come check that ship
Speaker 2: out if you're around next year. I even made it
Speaker 2: for some people I didn't know. I made it on
Speaker 2: the fucking thumbnail for the uh for the news of
Speaker 2: the online news had a video attached to it, and
Speaker 2: I'm on the thumbnail and at the end with my
Speaker 2: fucking Venetia mask on throwing up the okay symbol. They
Speaker 2: fucking got me like that. I was like, I wonder
Speaker 2: if it's that hands sign that actually got me on there.
Speaker 1: That's the only way they take pictures of you.
Speaker 2: You gotta, yeah, you never know, because I will say
Speaker 2: it is a little weird that that out of everything,
Speaker 2: got the fucking thumb yeah yeah, And I got the
Speaker 2: Occult Reject shirt on and everything right there.
Speaker 1: You gotta give them thirty three, you know, or something
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: Ye next time, next time, Yeah, no, next time you're
Speaker 2: gonna be there. I don't care if I have to
Speaker 2: fucking fly you in myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like fun, well it was. It was
Speaker 1: a place. Absolutely, this has been a great episode. Thank
Speaker 1: you guys for joining us, and we'll see you again
Speaker 1: next time.
Speaker 2: Later