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<v Speaker 1>Forty five and fifty five KRCD talk station. Very Happy

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<v Speaker 1>Wednesday to apologies to everyone about the technical issues. We

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<v Speaker 1>have a Judgenna Polatana there. We'll get the desironed out

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<v Speaker 1>and getting back on next Tuesday. I am pleased. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the fifty five Cassee Morning Show. Michael McNamara. He

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<v Speaker 1>has initially a degree in economics University of San Francisco,

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<v Speaker 1>but he enlisted in the US Marine Corps back in

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<v Speaker 1>eighty three, left active duty in ninety four, but then

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<v Speaker 1>returned to the Corps in two thousand and four and

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<v Speaker 1>deployee Iraq twice in Afghanistan once. Is an infantry soldier,

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<v Speaker 1>retiring from the Marine Corps in twenty fifteen. Founder and

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<v Speaker 1>president of the Post Traumatic Winning Company LLC, hosted a

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<v Speaker 1>podcast All Marine Radio since twenty sixteen and began presenting

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<v Speaker 1>the ideas connected with his first book, From Trauma to Joy,

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<v Speaker 1>which we're here to talk about in twenty nineteen. Michael McNamara.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the fifty five Carse Morning Show. The name

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<v Speaker 1>of the book, From Trauma to Joy Life changing lessons

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<v Speaker 1>that fellow US Marines taught me after traumatic events occurred

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<v Speaker 1>in my life. Lessons that apply to anyone. Emphasis on

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<v Speaker 1>that last part. It's a pleasure to have you on

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<v Speaker 1>the program, Michael.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, first of all, as the son of a former.

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<v Speaker 3>Manager of the Cincinnati Reds and a guy who worked

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<v Speaker 3>on Johnson's party boats in the summer during college. Tender

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<v Speaker 3>bar I am happy to be back on the air. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I've never been on the air of the Queen City,

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<v Speaker 3>but now it's a pleasure. Brian, thank you very much

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<v Speaker 3>for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to bring that up after your bio.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, also, you know John McNamara, don't you,

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<v Speaker 1>the guy that took over after Sparky Anderson left the

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<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati Reds. And of course you filling in the blanks

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<v Speaker 1>on that one. The party boat too, that's it brings

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<v Speaker 1>back memories anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, you don't even know.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I can only imagine. I can only imagine it's

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<v Speaker 1>like being a fly on the wall. I suppose being

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<v Speaker 1>that role.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, Tornado warnings while you're on the river

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<v Speaker 3>and there's a party going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Incredible, incredible stories. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I bet Well you maybe write your second book on that,

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<v Speaker 1>but this book, I think it's really important. Mental health

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<v Speaker 1>has become something that we can all talk about. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no longer, at least, there's very little you know, negative

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<v Speaker 1>viewpoints or like, you know, get over it kind of attitudes.

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<v Speaker 2>These days.

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<v Speaker 1>We know a lot of people deal with mental health challenges.

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<v Speaker 1>But you mentioned trauma. It's the title of the book,

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<v Speaker 1>From Trauma to Joy and point out that approximately ninety

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<v Speaker 1>five percent of the US population deals with some form

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<v Speaker 1>of trauma. We could be talking about something as traumatic

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<v Speaker 1>as losing a loved one for example, right, well.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what you know.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, that's why I don't really care for the

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<v Speaker 3>term PTSD because if when you throw that out there,

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<v Speaker 3>everybody says, oh, that's that combat thing, right right, or

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<v Speaker 3>that's the thing cops in firefight.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, it's an everybody thing.

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<v Speaker 3>If you had to tend to somebody who you loved

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<v Speaker 3>and hold their hand and watch them die of a

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<v Speaker 3>lengthy illness, you're in the same valley of the shadow

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<v Speaker 3>of death that I'm in.

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<v Speaker 2>We just different paths to get there.

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<v Speaker 3>If you've been abused as a child physically, sexually, emotionally, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and you've suffered with that your life, guess what, you're.

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<v Speaker 2>In that thing too. So the book is about you know.

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<v Speaker 3>That is not a death sentence, okay, And the first

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<v Speaker 3>place that you should look for an answer is not

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<v Speaker 3>in a jar of pills, and it's not in forever therapy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's inside of you. And I know this. And again

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a Brian. I'm not a mental health person.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been a leader since I was a little kid,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I started talking about this on my podcast,

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<v Speaker 3>and then the way the book begins is with a

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<v Speaker 3>presentation I started doing around the world, and that is

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to tell you the truth, true things about

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<v Speaker 3>what it is to live a great life after you

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<v Speaker 3>go through really difficult things, right, And I don't care

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<v Speaker 3>what the difficulty was. And so the great thing that

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<v Speaker 3>people don't understand about you know, as a marine, is

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<v Speaker 3>that our suicide is not linked to combat. It is

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<v Speaker 3>linked to child abuse. It is linked to child sexual

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<v Speaker 3>abuse and adverse childhood experiences. Because when we went to

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<v Speaker 3>the volunteer force, right, we're not so much across section

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<v Speaker 3>of America anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>I would tell you about fifty.

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<v Speaker 3>Percent of the people that joined the American military right

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<v Speaker 3>are trying to get to a better place. Their peers

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<v Speaker 3>are in jail, their dead of drug overdoses or suicide.

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<v Speaker 3>But they come from that part of our culture and

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<v Speaker 3>they're looking for something better and sometimes they don't find it.

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<v Speaker 3>And so you can't understand veteran suicide or military suicide

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<v Speaker 3>unless you understand who we recruit.

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<v Speaker 2>And then what I found out.

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<v Speaker 3>When I started doing seminars for everybody was that there

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<v Speaker 3>was no difference between what you know, active duty and

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<v Speaker 3>veterans talked about as opposed to the civilians.

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<v Speaker 2>That I met.

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<v Speaker 3>It was all it was based on the traumatic events

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<v Speaker 3>of their life. And so this stuff applies to anybody.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's the beautiful part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, imagine the outline in the steps and the principles

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<v Speaker 1>that you set forth in the book have to start with.

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose a pretty tremendous amount of introspection, trying to

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<v Speaker 1>be an objective observer of your life and where you

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<v Speaker 1>are and why you're experiencing this trauma.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I'll tell you what, and that's not hard

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<v Speaker 3>for most people, because most people when you go through

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<v Speaker 3>these things, you know, I saw somebody get decapitated in

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<v Speaker 3>a training incident, a helicopter crash in nineteen ninety three,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, we were trying to save the three

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<v Speaker 3>other guys in the back, and I have my hands,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, all over this one young marine and everybody dies, right,

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<v Speaker 3>And one of my senior marines came up to me.

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<v Speaker 3>I was a commanding officer, but one of my senior

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<v Speaker 3>and listen guys come up to me and asked me.

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<v Speaker 3>About three hours later, he goes, hey, Serri, He said,

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, I don't know. We've been kind of busy.

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<v Speaker 3>And he looked at me and he said, you know

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<v Speaker 3>you're never going to get over this, right, And I said, well,

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<v Speaker 3>he said you'll never get over this. And I can't

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<v Speaker 3>use the language I use, but I said, hey, why

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<v Speaker 3>don't you get away from me? I don't think that's

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<v Speaker 3>what the therapist says to the patient right now, you

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<v Speaker 3>go away?

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<v Speaker 2>And he looked at me and said, no, you need

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<v Speaker 2>to know that.

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<v Speaker 3>And I said, who told you that? And he said,

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<v Speaker 3>Vietnam guys told me that. And I tell everybody. The

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<v Speaker 3>single best piece of advice ever got, although I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>understand at the time, was that because when I struggled,

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<v Speaker 3>guess whose voice I heard a guy who who would

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<v Speaker 3>have died for me, who looked me in the face

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<v Speaker 3>and told me the truth. And once you understand, you

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<v Speaker 3>don't get over it that when you struggle, you know

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<v Speaker 3>what that makes you.

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<v Speaker 2>A normal human being.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't go through those experiences without those ghosts coming back.

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<v Speaker 3>And the question becomes what do I do when they

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<v Speaker 2>Because they will.

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<v Speaker 3>And now the way the nation approaches it is we'll

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<v Speaker 3>give you medications and you can go to Forever Talk therapy.

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<v Speaker 3>If you look at the trend lines of that, the

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<v Speaker 3>nation set US side record what twelve months ago, and

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<v Speaker 3>the military is setting suicide records and we're nowhere near

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<v Speaker 3>a conflict. But that is our approach to helping these people.

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<v Speaker 3>And what I tell people is before you do any

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<v Speaker 3>of that, read my book because if you understand, the

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<v Speaker 3>first thing you're going to have to do is coexist

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<v Speaker 3>with it, because it's not going away.

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<v Speaker 2>The next thing you're going to have to do is

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<v Speaker 2>live with some self discipline.

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<v Speaker 3>When you struggle. Guess what you should do, not isolate yourself,

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<v Speaker 3>not go get drunk, right, and which is what marines do.

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<v Speaker 3>You should talk to somebody who loves you and will

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<v Speaker 3>not judge you, and you should stay.

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<v Speaker 2>Away from alcohol.

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<v Speaker 3>And you can do that next stay physically active. So

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<v Speaker 3>if you'll do those things, watch how quick your life changes.

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<v Speaker 3>Then you got to learn how to meditate, Merrines.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't like that word. I call it calming your

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<v Speaker 2>brain down. You got to learn how to do some

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<v Speaker 2>version of that.

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<v Speaker 3>You got to learn how to read when you feel

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<v Speaker 3>anxious or you feel anger, and how to interrupt that cycle.

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<v Speaker 2>And these little wellness things.

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<v Speaker 3>The people that damage your life, you got to put

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<v Speaker 3>them at arm's length and keep them there and then

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<v Speaker 3>all of a sudden your life calms down. But the

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<v Speaker 3>transformational part of this whole thing, Brian, and the beautiful

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<v Speaker 3>thing that I learned is you know how many.

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<v Speaker 2>People around you were struggling.

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<v Speaker 3>You're going to find this path out of the valley of.

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<v Speaker 2>The shadow of death, and your life's going to get better.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you're going to stick your hand into their

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<v Speaker 3>darkness and say, hey man, I know what you're going

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<v Speaker 3>to You got a minute, could I talk to you?

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<v Speaker 3>And if you'll do that, if you'll help them, at

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<v Speaker 3>some point.

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<v Speaker 2>One of them is.

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<v Speaker 3>Going to pick up the phone and call you and say,

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<v Speaker 3>hey man, remember that conversation we had two months ago. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't know this, but I was getting ready to

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<v Speaker 3>kill myself that much. And when we do, and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not saying that hypothetically.

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<v Speaker 2>Because we all know people.

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<v Speaker 3>Around us that are struggling, and good luck sleeping that night,

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<v Speaker 3>because you will experience the joy part of this. I

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<v Speaker 3>call it the Gridge moment, when the Gridge's heart grows

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<v Speaker 3>through tons. And here's the who people singing, right, It's

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<v Speaker 3>that feeling. And that is what we do with our suffering.

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<v Speaker 2>We give it meaning. How do we do that?

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<v Speaker 3>We learn about it, We learned how to live, We've

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<v Speaker 3>learned how to become a better version of ourselves, and

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<v Speaker 3>then we help others.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you'll do that.

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<v Speaker 3>I guarantee you that you can transform your life.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I would imagine the conversation serves a multitude of

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<v Speaker 1>reasons why it's beneficial. But in so far as saying,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm reflecting upon the horror you that you witness and

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that your your commander said, you're never going

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<v Speaker 1>to get over it. That you will remember that incident

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<v Speaker 1>and it may trouble you and you may want to

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<v Speaker 1>blame yourself, But if you deflect your attention away from

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<v Speaker 1>that and go back to that sort of concept of meditation,

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<v Speaker 1>living in the moment, not going back and retracing old

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<v Speaker 1>events over which you have no control, but thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>something different and getting your mind away from it. That

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<v Speaker 1>in and of itself has to be beneficial.

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<v Speaker 3>Well yeah, but I would tell you the big thing

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<v Speaker 3>is sometimes you can't control that smells trigger the video

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<v Speaker 3>in your head, right yeah, And you're now you're watching

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<v Speaker 3>the video and there's no off button and there's no

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<v Speaker 3>that's normal. That's normal.

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<v Speaker 2>And for me, my combat experiences were not the worst

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<v Speaker 2>experiences of my life. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>My sister's husband murdered their two kids when she told

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<v Speaker 3>even when I went to combat, and it's important that

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<v Speaker 3>people hear that from somebody who spent three years in

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not in that zip code.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's people listening to you that were sexually abused

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<v Speaker 3>as children, that have had this horrible things happening. They're

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<v Speaker 3>in my sister's zip code, not in mine. And it's

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<v Speaker 3>very humbling for a cop or a firefighter to hear

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<v Speaker 3>me speak. And I look at them and I say,

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<v Speaker 3>you're not in that.

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<v Speaker 2>Zip code and you know that. So you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>the market cornered on trauma. And so what I want

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<v Speaker 2>what you do is open.

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<v Speaker 3>Your mind and learn that there's nothing wrong with you

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<v Speaker 3>when you struggle, and then it's okay. And the video

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<v Speaker 3>some days are going to last longer than it's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>last others. But if you'll learn how to do these things,

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<v Speaker 3>what you're gonna do is you're gonna learn how to.

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<v Speaker 2>Coexist with it. And that's really the art with your trauma.

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<v Speaker 3>To understand there's nothing wrong with you, to understand that

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to coexist with it. I mean World War

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<v Speaker 3>Two that's once three hundred years old. Yeah, ask them

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<v Speaker 3>about what they did and they'll tell you in slow motion,

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<v Speaker 3>high definition what they did. So it's not like this

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<v Speaker 3>stuff leaves you. And that's so it's developing wisdom relative

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<v Speaker 3>to this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael McNamara from Trauma to Joy, Life changing lessons that

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<v Speaker 1>Philly US Marines taught me after traumatic events occurred in

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<v Speaker 1>my life, underscore lessons that apply to anyone. Michael can't

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<v Speaker 1>thank you enough for the time you spent my listeners

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<v Speaker 1>with me on the program. I will certainly recommend they

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<v Speaker 1>and Michael's figured out a way to help us all

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<v Speaker 1>deal with it. It's been a pleasure having in the program,

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<v Speaker 1>and I want to thank you on behalf of all

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<v Speaker 1>of my listeners and myself personally for your service to

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<v Speaker 2>No my privilege. Maron, thank you very much.

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