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Speaker 1: All right, welcome in everyone. It is Tuesday. It is

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time for full court press. It's five dollars Tuesday at

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Wager Talk, which means myself, Rob Bino, and all the

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other handicappers on the site will have a play up

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at least one for just five dollars. Recap of my

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night last night, quick, Rob, I ended up in the er.

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Uh so I ended up at the hospital. I I

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tweeted my picture or picture of me watching Santa Clara

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Saint Mary's from the hospital room. Uh where we cash that?

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So I'm fine. I appreciate you guys that that reached out.

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I mean, I guess we'll see if I'm fine. But

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I'm here, So that's that's a good news. You know,

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all the tests and stuff they ran came back fine.

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And Rob, I was two and oh last night. So

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I kind of want to go back to that room.

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I don't think they're gonna let me. I don't you know,

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can't be can't be billing insurance just to watch basketball

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in a lucky place. But uh, you know, if I

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recall correctly, Rob, did you not have an undefeated night

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when you had to go to go to the er

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earlier this year? We might be undefeated in the emergency

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room this year.

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Speaker 2: I have to check back on that.

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Speaker 1: I Uh, I think you went three and oh the

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night you had your knee drink. You know, I remember correctly.

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Speaker 2: You're right, absolutely, because I remember being late with the

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plays after getting the uh you know, the injection, being

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late with the plays and going three and oh. Yeah,

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you're absolutely right. I didn't think of it that way.

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But man, not to wish us being you know, sick

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or hindered in any way, shape or form. But it's

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good results.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, listen, that's if the if the double the

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CBB firepower package doesn't promo itself, I mean combined five

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and oh uh at the er for us. So I

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went to and O. Last night we got the parlay home,

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which we desperately needed. So we're gonna try to get

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another one today. How was your night? Bring us home

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with how your night was last night?

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Speaker 2: Yesterday in college basketball was one and two, another small

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give back. The winner. The good was Eastern Washington team

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total over, as we talked about. The bad was Georgia

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Southern full game total over. I think we hit on

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that as good as you could hit on that game.

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Adam and then go out for myself and lose a play.

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But we did hint that the kind of dissension in

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Georgia Southern's shooting numbers the game before after winning five straight.

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Those numbers did come down again last night, but I

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think the biggest thing was and I somewhat was scared

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off by the number in this game, but should have

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in retrospect played Troy. Talked about how Troy played Georgia

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Southern once and they were one of the only teams,

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if not the only team in the Sunbelt that played

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Georgia Southern style in the regular season meeting and did

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everything Georgia Southern does well even better, and last night

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they didn't even play Georgia Southern style. Last night was

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dominant on the boards by Troy. It was I think

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they made over seventy percent of their twos, so it

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was interior stuff at the rim on the boards. I

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think fatigue shows up in that way a little bit.

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Georgia Southern otherwise was not horrible, but Troy was just

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a physically and closer to the basket dominant team in

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that one. So congratulations to Troy. They had to play

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two games to get home as an Attorney winner and into

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the NCAA March Madness Tournament. And congratulations to Georgia Southern.

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I mean, doing what they did is not easy. Lastly,

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i'll close really quick here. The other lost to one

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and two. Was you know again sometimes in retrospect, but

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Northern Colorado minus points. I'm glad you had Montana. And

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again it's a case where I was on here two

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weeks ago praising Money Williams, praising Montana's championship pedigree. Don't

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sell them short. And boy, they took that blowout loss

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just recently to Northern Colorado to heart and they Money

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Williams eighteen of nineteen from the free throw line and

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he was all everything. And Northern Colorado, you know, exhibited

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what they exhibited all season long. Excellent offense, very little

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Speaker 1: Yeah, big, big, big effort last night for money Williams

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forty points. All right, we'll get into it today. For today.

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I was trying to get the nurse interested in Santa

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Clara last night. She was not just for an update there.

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No one there seemed to care that. I was very

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invested in that Santa Clara game. I actually, I mean

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it was so like busy and stuff. I pretty much

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pretty much watched that game in the room, like unbothered

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because that's how long I was there, So eleven thirty pm, tip,

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no problem, caught that whole game and in my little

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hospital cot whatever whatever bed thing I was in. But hey, Rob,

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Santa Clara, huge spot for them. They kind of needed

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that game to punch their ticket officially. I mean, I

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still feel like they should they should have been in regardless,

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but I don't think we have to second guess that anymore.

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That win should put them comfortably in the NCAAA tournament field.

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And so that brings us to tonight's game. I'm gonna

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let you kick us off, Santa Clara Gonzaga. But my

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first question to you, and you could obviously intertwine this

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into your handicap, is are you worried that there's a

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little bit of an exhale here from Santa Clara because

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last night was the one that they needed, the one

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they really had to have to get to the NCAA tournament.

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Speaker 2: I am, I would be. I mean, that was a

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gritty effort by Santa Clara. For those who didn't see

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that game last night, Santa Clara had difficulties on the

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offensive end for quite a while in that game, and

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it came to a point where I remember watching Last

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Night Adam and seeing Tom Cree, ex head coach of

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Marquette Indiana, from the studio asking Sean Farner, is there

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any way that Santa Clara could run some double staggers?

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And they're talking about off the ball movement because Santa

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Clara was falling into the hands of the Saint Mary's defense.

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And then the second half that changed. Santa Clara made

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the necessary adjustments. They did what they do best. They

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made some threes, they got the scoring up. I think

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they had forty four in the second half, maybe forty two,

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but it was a huge upgrade from their first half.

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And to their credit, Santa Clara was still in the

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game even though they were having offensive difficulties. You never

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felt like they're, you know, out of it. They're down four,

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they're down three, they're down two, whatever they were down,

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it wasn't much. And when they hit the accelerator, Saint

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Mary's was the team that couldn't keep up. To your

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original question, I do feel like that was a monster

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game for them. Their NCAA tournament bid hung on that result.

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They got the result they needed. Now you go play Gonzaga,

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and what further is the problem here for me for

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Santa Clair is Gonzaga did not have a great night

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last night against Oregon State. And I fully would expect

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an offensive bounce back out of Gonzaga. Some of their

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numbers posted and I get Oregon State can be difficult

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to play their kind of style of slow and you know,

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filthy kind of basketball. But for Gonzaga three or fourteen

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from three, not much in the way of a rebounding edge,

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which is not like them, very little to no advantage

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as far as free throw attempts are concerned. That stuff

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probably all changes here. It's a different style game with

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Santa Clara. This will be much more up and down.

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and say, well, this is more suited to what we

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want to do. But Gonzaga won both regular season meetings.

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They win ninety four, eighty six, they win eighty nine

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to seventy seven. They score, They show you that they

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can score on Santa Clara ninety four and eighty nine

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in those two games. Santa Clara also responded with, like

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I say, eighty six and seventy seven. So for me,

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beyond looking at Gonzaga from a side perspective, would probably

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want to look at the total in some way, shape

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or form. For me, that form would probably be the

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Gonzaga team total again, because I'm it's not that I

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want to exclude Santa Clara from scoring points here. It's

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that I'm a little nervous about maybe a little celebratory

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hangover from Santa Clara in this game. It may not happen.

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Herb Sendek may get the crew together, and you know,

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they haven't won this tournament in ages, have they ever

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won this tournament Santa Clara, and so obviously that's a

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goal that they would want to achieve here. For me,

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I still think Gonzagas do for a huge bounce back

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in this game. I think probably Santa Clara had a

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lot of energy taken out of them last night, needing

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that win the way they did and against a physical

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Saint Mary's. So I'd probably look at Zaga minus six

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and a half first, and then I would look to

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or maybe equal parts. I shouldn't say that because I'm

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more of a totals guy, but maybe the Gonzaga team

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total over eighty two and a half ends up being

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what I wind up featuring you.

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Speaker 1: Today, Rob, I was going to pretty much ask you

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that because to me, like looking at the first two

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meetings and the ease in which Gonzaga scored points in

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those two meetings, it's hard to believe that they're not

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at lake, that they that they would put up less

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than like eighty f here. You know, Gonzaga always takes

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this game seriously. You can talk about like, well, Gonzaga,

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they're you know, they don't need to win the final.

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They I can't remember. I mean they they've definitely been

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beaten this game before. I think Saint Mary's has won

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it in recent years at least, you know, once or twice.

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But like they they all, Gonzaga always shows up to

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play in this game. You know, you go go back

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through the years and there's been teams that have gotten

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to this game and then they run into a Gonzaga

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team that you know doesn't need to win it, but

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they go out and win by fifteen. Anyway, I'm not

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worried about Santa Clara not taking the game seriously. What

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I'm worried about is the the like you said, the

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energy and the effort exerted to hold on to that

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game down the stretch. A couple huge turnovers, big defensive

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plays that Santa Clara made. Rob they only turned the

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ball over four times yesterday. Yeah, they they played, I mean,

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really they play. In my opinion, they played as good

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as Santa Clara can play in that game. Four turnovers,

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they made, the defensive plays. We talked about the rebounding

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disparity in the most recent of the most recent meeting,

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the one that occurred in Maraga, where Saint Mary's had

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out rebounded them by thirty last night, thirty seven to

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twenty eight. Just a huge effort from Santa Clara. So

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it's less I guess for me, it's less the I mean,

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there is an element of the exhale because they have

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now been told by everyone involved in college basketball, college

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basketball media that they're in, and they are in. They're

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not gonna they're not gonna be left out after losing

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to Saint Mary's. But I think the combination of that

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and then the game that they would have to play

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to stay within I think it's still six and a half.

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Gonzaga may have taken some money, but the game that

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they would have to play to stay within six and

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a half against this Gonzaga team. I just think that's

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a lot to ask in in a three day span.

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So it would happen to be Gonzaga minus the points.

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That's the way I lean that would be my play

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in this game. But I totally see where you're coming

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from with the team total.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and quickly, to Santa Clara's credit, not only did

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they only commit a minuscule four turnovers, they were five

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of fourteen from the free throw line. They couldn't make

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a free throw last night, and they still won the

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game without free throws, So credit to them. It's two

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different style opponents, obviously, and I think, honestly, if you're

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Santa Clara, the style that's harder to face is the

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Saint Mary's style. It's just more of a grind, it's

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more taxing, et cetera, et cetera. We'll see how this

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one goes. But I like your point about Gonzaga never needing.

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They never ever need to win this game to punch

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their ticket. But yet they always come to show. They

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always show up, and generally speaking, they win this game.

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They take pride in winning the WCC conference title.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one final point, I'll make is Christian Hammond did

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not play particularly well last night. He just couldn't get

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his shot going. You know, it just goes back to

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how impressive that performance was in the in the gray areas,

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right with the rebounding and the defensive stops and the

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hustle plays, because you know they did all of that

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with with Hammond not really providing much offensively, uh seven

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points and and missed some makeable shot. So yeah, very

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interesting sort of scenario there. But for me, that's a

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pretty I think there's a pretty clear edge to Gonzaga there.

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It hasn't made my client card yet, but it's on

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the it's it's certainly on my list of things to consider.

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And I you know, I told you yesterday Rob, and

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this is like just more of a general point that

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I'm gonna probably continue to make early in the week.

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Like some of these line moves have been crazy, even

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even last night. There was just within that last hour

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to two hours some crazy movement on certain games. And

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you know, if this got if Santa Clara got hit

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here and and pushed this back to like six and

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a half six, I may have to jump in with Gonzaga.

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But I think I I even with how crazy the

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line stuff has been, I think Gonzaga probably ends up

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in the seven and a half to eight range before

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we're all said and done here. So again just something

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to look at. My bypoint there would be six and

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a half or better. All right, let's go to Garth.

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Garth says, runs go grung goos to fifteen and six.

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After E C. E. T. S U didn't come through

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last night, Furman came through, which is kind of what

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Rob you alluded to liking Furman. I said, I didn't

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want to bet East Tennessee State, and the reason why

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sort of played out so that so that I think

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would have been a good result for anyone that sort

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of took that advice yesterday from that game. Today, Garth

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wants to go to the Big twelve. So we are

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opening up the Big twelve tournament some opening round today.

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He's got another total, so I'll let you start this

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one off. Cincinnati, Utah over sixty four and a half.

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Bar says, combined thirteen and five to this number since

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February first. I think this is the glass court rob

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out in Big twelve country. That they can change the

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design on the court. Haven't really seen it yet didn't

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catch any of the girls tournament. But we want to

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know if the ball's going through the hooper, not in

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the first half here, So talk to me about since

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e Utah specifically the total.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to make a counter argument to that is a

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little bit difficult because you can point to a lot

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of components that might say over sixty four and a half.

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I will say this to Garth is that you know

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my experience this year, as great as this season has

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been in college basketball, my experience has been every time

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I dive into something first half, I get snake bit,

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including East Tennessee State the other day. First half should

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have never been on the first half, should have been

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in on the second half. That aside my personal first

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half failures, aside which I haven't gotten involved in a

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lot of first halfs. You could see Cincinnati, I'd almost

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rather isolated the Cincinnati's team total, which as I'm looking

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here is only thirty five and a half. The Utah

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defense is a SIV. It's been a sieve all season long.

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Cincinnati obviously has the capability. It's been a little sporadic,

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but they've got the capability to score big points. On

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that team, They've got scorers, just doesn't always come through

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every game. They're a little inconsistent. We're scoring is concern.

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But to ask for thirty six and I don't have

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the numbers in front of me Garth, but I would

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be interested to see how many times Utah has given

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up more than thirty five and a half in the

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first half. They've sort of where Utah is concerned. They

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have sort of changed their stripes throughout the season. I'm

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going to say first two thirds of the season maybe

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a little bit less. It seemed to me Utah was

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they are very guard reliant for points, but they were

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more apt to play quickly, and then down the stretch

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they kind of slowed things down a little bit. I

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think part of that would be, you know, realizing that

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we can't get into these high scoring games with teams

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They were giving up points in droves in some Big

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twelve games. I don't know. You know, there's been occasion

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where you say you can trust Utah as an offense,

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but do you trust them against this Cincinnati defense. I

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don't know. I kind of would not trust them in

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this particular situation with Cincinnati looking to build a little

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more of a resume. Not that Utah is a resume builder.

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The other concern you would have is, again the arena,

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T Mobile Center, first game out, maybe tricky rims. Who

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knows how teams are going to react in their first game.

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Saga had a miserable shooting game last night in their

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first night out in the WCC tournament. Sometimes you come

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out red hot. That stuff's twenty twenty hindsight, but it

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always has to factor into your handicap. In short, if

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I was gonna play this Garth, I think I would

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lean more on Cincinnati less on Utah, probably play the

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Cincinnati team total over thirty five and a half. And

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again I don't have the numbers in front of me,

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but it would seem to me that Utah is more

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than capable of giving up thirty six in the first half.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'd have to agree with you going

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the team total route if you like Cincinnati, because there's

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this one has moved quite a bit. Looks like it's

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up to twelve and a half. You could get eleven

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and a half still most places there are some of

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the some of the more public shops are up in

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the twelve to twelve and a half range. You know,

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I I just want no part of Utah like this,

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this is a team now, I just want absolutely no

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part of in this tournament. They they they've just looked

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like they're totally cooked. I just I just don't see

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like some of these teams, you know, the smaller conferences

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rob kind of stop bringing these teams to their tournament

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right the very very bottom of the league. I'm surprised

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the bigger leagues haven't all done that, right, Like the

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ACC is doing that where there's they're just not gonna

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bring the three worst teams in the league. There's just like,

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I mean, how much of this Utah team is already

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trying to figure out where they're gonna go play next

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year at this point? Right? I think I think that's

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what you got to sort of look at and and

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we'll we'll talk about Actually I'll just segue it and

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I'm gonna give out a play and hopefully we can

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do hopefully we can go three teamer today because my

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I'm gonna give out a play that's early and it's

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gonna be my parlay league. So we'll make sure it's

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a three teamer today because I really like Baylor and

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I'm just gonna use you know, I guess this Utah

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Cincinnati game to segue to the Baylor Arizona State game,

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because I think you have, again very similar You have

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Arizona State who just lost. You know, their coaches is done,

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They're going to move in a different direction from Hurley,

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And you're really trying to gauge, in my opinion in

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these two early Big twelve games, like which of these

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team cares? Who's going to show up? You know, who

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really wants to be there and think they can make

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a run. And I think in those two games, it's

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Baylor and it's Utah or I'm sorry, it's Baylor and

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at Cincinnati. I don't really want to lay eleven with

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Cincinnati to like, maybe Utah hangs around and comes in

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and clips them and you know, only loses by nine

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and covers the number. But I'm more than content laying

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the three and a half or the four with Baylor

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against Arizona State. Rob. I think Baylor kind of needs

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this game. I was talking to ct about ten minutes

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before the show. He went to Baylor, this is his team.

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You know, he gives me unbiased takes on Baylor, and

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he made a great point that ultimately pushed me over

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the edge here in the respect that like this feels

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like a big game for Scott Drew. I don't think

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Scott Drew is losing his job by any means. He

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won a national championship game there five years ago. But

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I don't know. I kind of agreed with that take

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where it's like you've got this Arizona State team that

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kind of feels checked out. If you're Baylor, you got it.

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You gotta win this game. You have to go in

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and win this game. You can't lose this game if

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you're Scott Drew and you're Baylor. And I still think

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Baylor is the better of these two teams and has

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some edges on the matchups. So this is a client

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play for me. This will be my parlay leg I

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laid three and a half with with some juice with

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Baylor in this game. I think minus won fifteen or

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minus won eighteen. Whatever was that the whatever we were

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allowed to post for a consensus line. When I locked

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this in. I'm looking at the board, Rob you can

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still get three and a half minus one twenty pretty

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much anywhere. And if you want to just lay the

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four and don't want to lay you know, don't want

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to pay for the juice. I understand that as well.

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I think this could be a pretty dominant performance by

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Baylor here, and I love the spot. And I just

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think Arizona State's a team that's just coming in and

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they're going to be heading out early in this tournament.

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So I laid the points with Baylor. Talk to me

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about that game, though, agree and feel free to disagree

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if if you've got something different.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I think you know there's two schools of thought, right.

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I don't know what the players think of Bobby Hurley

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as a head coach. The announcement that comes at this

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time of season that they're gonna part ways can go

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either very well or very poorly, and that kind of

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depends on the players affection for their head coach if

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it's a play one for Bobby. I mean, the opening

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game that Oregon State played against San Francisco the other

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day is a three and a half point dog was

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you know, they played hard for their head coach, Wayne Tinkle,

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who's on his way out. Obviously they're overmatched yesterday by Gonzaga,

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but they didn't play a poor game by any stretch.

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They cover the number they hold Gonzaga to sixty five points.

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So Oregon State's an example of how good it can go.

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Two to zero ats in their tournament. Good result for

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handicappers who backed them. It could go the other way, though,

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And I don't know how much these kids. It seems

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to me like Bobby Hurley's message wore out long ago

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with Arizona State. They probably could have made this move, honestly,

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at him a couple of years back, if they really

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wanted to to dismiss him and to get somebody new

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in there. Mo Otem, their best player is a senior

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on his way out. Anyway, Does he have one last

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big game animo or now? He didn't have a big

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game against Baylor the first time around. Baylor kind of

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contained Moodem and what was a close game in Waco.

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For me, it's hard to decide which way it goes

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if I had to guess. And again, we're not in

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these locker rooms, but we cover this stuff close enough

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and long enough to maybe make a pretty good assessment

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of where ASU stands with their head coach. I would

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not think that Bobby Hurley is one of those let's

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win one for the gipper type of guys where his

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team is concerned, and they'll go out and they'll play hard.

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But if things start to go bad, you just wonder

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do they have it in them to try and correct it?

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You know what I mean? If Baylor gets out there,

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Let's just say Baylor gets out to a fourteenth to

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four jump on things, Arizona State really got it in them?

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Or do they just say, you know what, coaches go on,

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We're all gone next year, Moe Odem's off to NBA

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draft camps to see if he gets et cetera, et cetera.

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That to me would be the more plausible scenarios. So

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from that perspective, you would like Baylor, who I do think,

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you know, the end of the season, they had a

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couple of instances where they look pretty good. Baylor's not

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that not that less of a talented team from an

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overall Big twelve perspective, They've got talent on that side

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that could probably open up a margin here. So I'm

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not involved in the game. Obviously, we're rooting for Baylor

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here because you're on that side. And boy money has

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moved that game right two and a half to four

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and a half right away. And I don't know if

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that's an initial pull of the trigger because Hurley was dismissed.

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You know, people just saying, oh, coaches going bet the

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other side, But like I say, that can go either way.

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I just don't think Bobby Hurley is the kind of

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guy that the players rise up and play one for today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So just to speak about on the line move

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a little bit, I think that two and a half

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was gone very very quick. Like for me, three and

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a half is very playable here. I wouldn't want four

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and a half like that. I think that's the point

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where you got to maybe you know, step out like

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I would. I wouldn't want to take four and a half,

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Like I'm already laying a slightly you know, not the

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optimal number at three and a half minus one eighteen.

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But just to reference the line move, like that two

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and a half was was basically the opener, like the

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overnight open at not even the overnight opener like the

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early early yesterday afternoon opener. Rob that was of you know,

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very very small limits and gone quickly. So I don't

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even like, I don't if you're betting these games for

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00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,799
anything substantial, you probably weren't getting two and a half.

476
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,720
So I'm okay with saying three and a half is

477
00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:46,680
like the like a very fair number here, like that

478
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,680
would be sort of like the widely available like number.

479
00:26:51,599 --> 00:26:54,640
And yeah, so, but it has moved past that some places.

480
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,759
I still think if you're looking at the screen, there

481
00:26:56,839 --> 00:26:58,960
is still like three and a half minus one twenty

482
00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:01,599
is still attainable out there. And just to go back

483
00:27:01,599 --> 00:27:04,720
to the point you made with Baylor the last sort

484
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,319
of couple weeks of the season, if you go back

485
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,240
to the Arizona State game, which they kind of played

486
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,920
a you know, the not the best first half. That

487
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,759
game was at Foster Pavilion in Waco. I remember, you know,

488
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,319
liking them in that game at the time, didn't want

489
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,480
to lay what At that time, there was some pretty

490
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,680
big move to Baylor as well. I think they moved

491
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,119
from five and a half all the way up to

492
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,440
seven and a half at home, didn't play the best

493
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,920
first half, but came out, took care of business, ended

494
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,079
up winning by five. They actually probably should have won

495
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,440
by more. They missed like a whole bunch of free

496
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,720
throws to close that game out. They really have not

497
00:27:41,839 --> 00:27:45,400
played a bad half of basketball since, right Like, they

498
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,480
come out the next game, give Arizona a great game,

499
00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:52,920
lose by seven. They following game they beat UCF. The

500
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,000
game after that, they went on the road to Houston

501
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,799
where they were tied for most of you know, at

502
00:27:57,839 --> 00:28:00,480
halftime and then into the second half, and then of

503
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,839
course the season finale, they dropped one on one on Utah.

504
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,559
And what you saw on you against Utah last weekend,

505
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,720
rob in my opinion, is the by what the Baylor

506
00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:16,680
offense is capable of, especially if your sort of your

507
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,799
gut saying, and I think Bayou said something to this

508
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,680
similar in the chat. If Arizona State shows up, they're

509
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,599
not really defending, like Baylor still has. My criticism with

510
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,960
Baylor this year was always on the defensive end. It

511
00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:31,440
really was never the offense. Like this team still has

512
00:28:31,519 --> 00:28:33,440
guys that can put the ball in the basket, and

513
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,920
we just saw it over the weekend dropping one on

514
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,720
one on Arizona State. The final thing I'll say about

515
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:43,319
this one is I think Baylor comes into this tournament thinking,

516
00:28:43,319 --> 00:28:46,119
you know, we can win a game or two, because again,

517
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,920
look at those last two months of the season, they

518
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,440
went up against a couple of the best teams in

519
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,599
this league, Arizona and Houston and they were in those games.

520
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,799
I believe they were in a game with Iowa State

521
00:28:55,839 --> 00:28:57,839
earlier this year as well. So those are the top

522
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,000
teams in the Big Twelve that Baylor had has played

523
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,680
competitive with for like most of a game. Four percent

524
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,599
play for me Baylor minus three and a half. And

525
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,559
that will be my leg of the parlay. So parlays

526
00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:13,799
for the live viewers today, Robin, it means we're gonna

527
00:29:13,839 --> 00:29:18,119
probably have to have to find a joint leg because

528
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,000
you know, I know that we got people that roll

529
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:23,279
in and watch the show late and if you know,

530
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:24,920
if you get in and you watch that two or

531
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,440
three in the afternoon, that Baylor game is one of

532
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,640
the first ones off the board. So it will be

533
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,519
a three teamer today. We'll figure out a third leg

534
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,119
at some point, but for now, I'm gonna go to Richie.

535
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,680
Richie said Richie Action two four seven said Trigg Inspired

536
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,920
Trig Inspired Tour Game one will be at the Horizon

537
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,720
Final at Fairgrounds Coliseum in Indie. That's awesome. I hope

538
00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:51,880
you enjoy the game. I'm sadly I'm not gonna be

539
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,039
able to make the Siena game tonight. I'll be watching

540
00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:58,599
that one from you know, from my house because I

541
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,839
had to come back up here to to go to

542
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,400
the doctor. So I won't be in ac tonight. But

543
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,960
I do think, you know, as long as I'm cleared

544
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,960
to go, I will likely go to the Lehigh game tomorrow.

545
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,680
But Richie's got boots on the ground tonight, Rob Horizon Final.

546
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,480
How about Detroit Mercy and all those Detroit kids from

547
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:21,079
the Detroit area coming out yesterday upsetting Robert Morris to

548
00:30:21,119 --> 00:30:24,359
get to the final tonight they run into Right State.

549
00:30:24,759 --> 00:30:27,960
Right State dropped one hundred last night. Looks like Richie

550
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,480
thinks Right State score some points again here. Agree or

551
00:30:31,559 --> 00:30:34,319
disagree Horizon League Final? Anything for you on the side

552
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,480
or total in this one?

553
00:30:36,519 --> 00:30:38,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, not going to disagree at all. I just don't

554
00:30:38,839 --> 00:30:42,960
know that anybody in this league. And again, last night

555
00:30:43,119 --> 00:30:47,039
was probably the straw that just you know, breaks the

556
00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:49,680
camel's back, so to speak, because I don't see anybody

557
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,640
in this league that can stop the Right State offense.

558
00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:56,079
It's just it's that good and Detroit is not that

559
00:30:56,279 --> 00:31:00,160
capable offensively to keep pace. Now as I say, hey

560
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,720
that somebody would counter and say, you know what, Rob,

561
00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:07,519
first time around Detroit Mercy plays them to two points,

562
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:11,480
eighty four eighty two. Second time around, they play them

563
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:16,000
to seventy seven, seventy four, two and three point contests.

564
00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:19,920
So certainly they played them tight in those games, and

565
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,279
certainly they have the mindset to play them tight. So

566
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,720
when I see stuff like that, obviously I don't with

567
00:31:28,839 --> 00:31:31,640
the opinion that I have of Right State. Let's label

568
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,519
it that with the opinion that I have going in

569
00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:37,319
of Right State and the thought process of nobody can

570
00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:41,960
stop them offensively. When I see those two season results,

571
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,640
it stops me from laying points here. I was inclined

572
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,240
to lay points with Wright State, and maybe I still will,

573
00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:50,920
but it puts me squarely where Richie's saying he is.

574
00:31:51,839 --> 00:31:55,480
If you don't think, or you don't absolutely trust that

575
00:31:55,559 --> 00:31:59,200
the team could cover, because they haven't proven through two

576
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,119
games this year they can cover, then go right to

577
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,160
the team total, which Right State is more than capable

578
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:08,359
of exceeding seventy eight and a half here last night.

579
00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:13,400
And Northern Kentucky plays a little bit differently than Detroit does.

580
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,799
But again, Robert Morris was horrendous last night from three

581
00:32:18,839 --> 00:32:20,920
point range. You're just not going to get that out

582
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,880
of Right State, and you're going to get all the

583
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,519
other extra intangibles out of Right State on the offensive

584
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,720
end that you didn't get out of Robert Morris last night.

585
00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:31,799
You're going to get better rebounding, you're going to get

586
00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:33,680
a lot of trips to the free throw line, all

587
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:38,119
that stuff. When it all accumulates, it adds up to

588
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,440
more than seventy eight a half. I was kind of surprised,

589
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,319
to tell you the honest truth, that this wasn't somewhere

590
00:32:43,359 --> 00:32:46,720
in the either at the eighty and a half range

591
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,359
team total or into the low eighties, like eighty one

592
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,160
and a half, eighty two and a half somewhere there.

593
00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:54,160
Seventy eight and a half to me with Wright State

594
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,680
seems almost like a bargain at this point in time.

595
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,079
You go back through their regular season and see how

596
00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:02,680
many times they've exceeded this number. I get it's a

597
00:33:02,759 --> 00:33:10,559
championship game, and a lot of the old adage handicapping

598
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,559
stuff tells you that championship games defensive minded. But there's

599
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:19,039
nothing about Right State as far as what they're predicated

600
00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:24,599
on that screams defense. It's offense. So for me, I

601
00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:27,920
would thoroughly agree with what Richie's saying there, seventy eight

602
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,599
and a half looks like a good number. I think

603
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:32,599
he's on the right side their team total over.

604
00:33:34,759 --> 00:33:38,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, Detroit has been much better defensively

605
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:41,880
down the stretch and in this tournament so far. But

606
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,799
I guess my concern for the Detroit side in this

607
00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:50,240
game Rob is like, right, State is just gonna create

608
00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:54,319
better looks and they're gonna create them more frequently. Their

609
00:33:54,359 --> 00:33:58,839
offense is just it's so much more efficient averaging eighty

610
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,079
point five points per game this year. They hit from

611
00:34:02,119 --> 00:34:06,599
the field at a top thirty clip nationally, where I

612
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,360
just don't know that Detroit can sort of scrap their

613
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,599
way to a win like they did against Robert Morris.

614
00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:14,800
And then I, you know, before part of the Robert

615
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,719
Morris breakdown yesterday, which I certainly leaned the Robert Morris

616
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,400
side in that game, I was, you know, I again,

617
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:25,719
I've been high on this Detroit team coming into the year,

618
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,599
but I did not expect them to win that game

619
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,159
last night. And part of the reason I didn't think

620
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:33,280
they would win that game is because of, you know,

621
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,119
they just sort of lack of efficiency on offense for

622
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,360
Detroit it's tough shots, it's you know, a lot of

623
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,800
their games during Horizon League regular season play were just

624
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,639
like very like scrappy, almost like slugfest type games. And

625
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:49,239
then you know, toward the end of the season, the

626
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,480
run that they finished the regular season on five of

627
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,840
the last six, they really started to put the ball

628
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,639
in the basket a little bit, but against teams that

629
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,280
have real issues defensively. You know, Milwaukee, they had played

630
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,280
twice in that stretch, and we talked about Milwaukee, you know,

631
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,519
showing up to the conference tournament with injuries and guys out,

632
00:35:09,079 --> 00:35:13,400
and then Oakland their defense let them down massive this year.

633
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,039
I think, you know, that was a big reason Oakland

634
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,440
is not still in the mix here and didn't end

635
00:35:18,519 --> 00:35:19,719
up winning a league that I think a lot of

636
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,519
people thought they were gonna win. So here you have

637
00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:26,119
to deal with Right State in a game where you

638
00:35:26,199 --> 00:35:28,360
almost think that Detroit is going to have to score

639
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,280
like seventy five to eighty to have a chance to win.

640
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,519
I think that the more likely outcome rob is Right

641
00:35:36,559 --> 00:35:40,440
State just pulling away because the volume of their shots

642
00:35:40,679 --> 00:35:43,599
is going to be so much the quality of their shots,

643
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,719
and then the volume is going to be higher and

644
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,360
better than Detroit, and I just don't think they can

645
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,480
scrap their way in a game like this against a

646
00:35:51,519 --> 00:35:53,880
team as efficient as Right State. So it's a Right

647
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,039
State lean for me. I didn't lay that number, but

648
00:35:56,559 --> 00:35:59,760
I think this is a league where we're gonna get

649
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,639
the best team. The one seed is going to advance

650
00:36:02,679 --> 00:36:05,880
because I know some of these one seeds have you know,

651
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,280
kind of gotten bounced from their conference tournament so far

652
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,800
this conference tournament season. I don't think this is going

653
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,280
to be one of them. I like write State in

654
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:14,800
this one, and so I guess I would agree with

655
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,719
your team total over More importantly, Richie, have a great

656
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,199
time at the game. That should be a good one,

657
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:26,840
right there. Okay, let's go back to the chat. Appreciate

658
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,559
the donations as always. I think we have yes, we do.

659
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:34,960
We have mad Max in the building, and of course

660
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,480
the super chat stars are messing me up again. Okay,

661
00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:43,199
here's here's a well. First of all, appreciate the donation

662
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,199
as always, he says. Quick note about odds logic. I've

663
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,639
recently noticed that when at least fifty percent of the

664
00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:53,039
tickets amount of money is seventy to eighty percent, a

665
00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:56,440
favorite team, but the line doesn't move the unfavorite team

666
00:36:56,519 --> 00:36:59,960
usually covers Listen. I mean that's you know, you can.

667
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,280
I guess it's a good promotion for Odds Logic right here,

668
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,719
which Rob and I speak very highly of on the show.

669
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,199
What I will say about you know, just your point

670
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,360
that you're making is odds Logic does make it very

671
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,639
easy to sort of like see that and to tract that.

672
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,639
So if that's something that you are like really like

673
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:26,519
using in your handicap, I think odds Logic is as

674
00:37:26,519 --> 00:37:30,880
good as any any odd screen that I've used. So yeah,

675
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,719
I mean I get it's a good it's a good

676
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,920
promo for odds Logic. I know most of the wager

677
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,360
Talk folks use that sort of swear by it, and uh,

678
00:37:38,679 --> 00:37:42,360
I will I'll say I've been very very happy since

679
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,599
I switched to it. And you know, now that I've

680
00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:47,360
gotten to know the sort of functionality a little bit better,

681
00:37:47,679 --> 00:37:49,679
I've got my screen set up the way I want

682
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,519
them set up. It's a great product. And I do

683
00:37:53,559 --> 00:37:55,480
you want to just kind of speak to that at all,

684
00:37:55,559 --> 00:37:56,719
Rob quick before we move on.

685
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll speak to the fact that I a little

686
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:06,880
to no attention to ticket percentage money percentage. I never

687
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,280
really know where those numbers are even generated from. Honestly,

688
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,440
I don't know. I've never sat down, and maybe I

689
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,559
should sit down with Rick Alec or somebody heavily involved

690
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:19,920
in odds logic can just say, how do they is

691
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,920
that one casino? Is that is that ten different outlets?

692
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,679
Or where exactly are those numbers coming from? And who

693
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,119
are the people that we're gauging this these sort of

694
00:38:31,159 --> 00:38:33,960
percentages from. I don't know the answers to that. Therefore

695
00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:36,039
I don't pay a lot of attention. I know people

696
00:38:36,119 --> 00:38:39,239
do pay attention. I'm not a guy adam that falls

697
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:44,079
for this stuff. Quite often you hear the term, oh,

698
00:38:44,119 --> 00:38:47,599
that line is fishy. You know, I'm not generally somebody

699
00:38:47,639 --> 00:38:49,800
who falls for that type of stuff. I think numbers

700
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:56,639
are made, and odds makers may shade stuff, opinionated stuff

701
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,840
half a point here, half a point there, to see

702
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,000
if they can attract a ten on the other side,

703
00:39:01,039 --> 00:39:03,360
because they know where the money's gonna come from when

704
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,679
it comes to the counter. So a lot of that stuff. Honestly,

705
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,920
I don't give a lot of credence to Some guys do,

706
00:39:10,559 --> 00:39:15,159
some betters do, and I wouldn't argue with them. I

707
00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:17,039
would just say it's not something that interests me in

708
00:39:17,079 --> 00:39:20,760
any way shape or form, or sways my handicap in

709
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:21,800
any way, shape or form.

710
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, listen, Matt, Max says he swears by it

711
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,840
uses it. Listen. Hey, I mean you gotta have an

712
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,119
odd screen. Let's put it that way. You're you're you're

713
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,360
you have to have a screen that you can look

714
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,119
at and functions in real time.

715
00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: Uh.

716
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,079
Speaker 1: I just like the how how you're able to manipulate

717
00:39:41,079 --> 00:39:43,800
the layout. And as I used it more and and

718
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,079
sort of figured out the functionality more, I'm pretty comfortable

719
00:39:48,119 --> 00:39:50,159
with the layout I have. And uh yeah, no, it's

720
00:39:50,199 --> 00:39:53,320
a it's it's really good. And I don't mind taking

721
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,039
a couple of minutes to talk about that, because this

722
00:39:55,159 --> 00:39:58,119
is a betting show, and you know it's it's also

723
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,280
giving picks is one thing, but it's also a out

724
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:03,760
kind of talking about just betting the games sometimes and.

725
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 2: You know, really quick, Adam, for those who don't have it,

726
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I think both of us could vouch it's the best

727
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in the business out there. And you can get a

728
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seven day free trial if you want to see what

729
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,400
Max is talking about. Just go to wait you talk back,

730
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,719
I'm get a seven day free trial, and you can

731
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,000
see why Adam and I are both you know, locked

732
00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:22,079
into odds logikechen every day here.

733
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, and while you're over there, check out the double

734
00:40:26,599 --> 00:40:29,079
the CBB Firepower package that Rob and I have up

735
00:40:29,079 --> 00:40:32,039
on our page three days or the rest of the tournament,

736
00:40:32,159 --> 00:40:34,559
of course, for one more time, Rob, for the people

737
00:40:34,559 --> 00:40:37,760
in the back, it's five dollars Tuesday. What that means great,

738
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,719
great time to just test out a handicap or myself, Rob,

739
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,440
anyone else on the site will have plays up for

740
00:40:43,559 --> 00:40:46,280
five dollars, and I just I gave you one of

741
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,440
I guess I'm only going to have one play up

742
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,320
for five dollars, Rob, because I just gave the other

743
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,199
one on the show. Although I have a feeling I'm

744
00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:54,239
going to have a couple today in addition to the

745
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,440
two I already have up, so you know, stay tuned.

746
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,199
I feel pretty good about some of the some of

747
00:41:01,199 --> 00:41:06,239
the plays on this this board. Okay, I am gonna head.

748
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,079
I'm gonna head back to the chat because I think

749
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:10,679
this one's very interesting and like four people have asked,

750
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,360
like have posted about this game. First Flick says mercy

751
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,400
Hurst plus six and a half. He's loving that. Shane

752
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,159
says he played mercy Hurst. Rob. Everyone wants to get

753
00:41:22,159 --> 00:41:25,880
involved in the mercy Hurst l i U game. That

754
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,559
uh is really it's not for a tournament bid because

755
00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:33,079
Long Island University has already gone is already going to

756
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:36,480
the NCAA tournament. The reason Mercy Hurst is still in

757
00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:39,400
the transition period. So even if they win this game,

758
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:45,159
they can't go to the NCAA tournament. I don't disagree

759
00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:51,079
with the mercy Hurst look from a handicapping standpoint. I

760
00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:54,000
think they're gonna want to come out and this is

761
00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:56,719
this is their season, this is their championship game. There's

762
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,480
no additional game after this for mercy Hurst, and winning

763
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,639
the NEC would be a massive accomplishment. Rob kind of

764
00:42:04,679 --> 00:42:08,039
reminds me of our conversation ahead of New Haven's season finale.

765
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,679
Right new Haven, they knew they weren't going to be

766
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,440
able to come to this tournament because they're in their

767
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,360
first year. They had one final game against Lemoyne and

768
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,519
they went out with a band, gave a great effort

769
00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:23,800
and won that game. So the I get why you

770
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,679
would like Mercyhurst from a spot standpoint, They've played the

771
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,559
LU extremely tough this year so far. They won one

772
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:31,239
of those games, one of the only teams to beat

773
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,920
LU in the NEC this year. The problem here is, Rob,

774
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,519
I think the odds makers are taxing the crap out

775
00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:41,639
of you with this number. My power rating has l

776
00:42:41,639 --> 00:42:44,920
IU much higher. I make l Iu at home in

777
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,119
this game. Like if this were a regular season game

778
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,199
and I wasn't putting that spot into it at all,

779
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:55,480
I'd have l Iu minus nine point eight here. That's

780
00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:57,719
quite a ways off of what the number is. So

781
00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:00,280
my question to you is, do you do you think

782
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,800
the books this is I guess a good segue, right.

783
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,159
Do you think the books have shaded this a little

784
00:43:05,159 --> 00:43:09,920
bit to discourage people for betting LU because they think

785
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,519
they can do that because now it's well known that

786
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,000
LU doesn't need to win this game to go to

787
00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:17,039
the NCAA tournament.

788
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 2: Without question, I think that they do appreciate that number.

789
00:43:22,039 --> 00:43:25,880
They again, you know that there's always an anticipation when

790
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,320
you're a bookmaker, anticipate where the money is going to

791
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:33,800
come from, and how can you limit the flood of

792
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,679
one sided money that you might get, So you know

793
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,760
the way to do that is to shade it right

794
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,480
off the bat, build it into the line and try

795
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,079
and discourage some of the betters. I don't know, Adam,

796
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,599
that you know, there's some instances where I would say,

797
00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:50,360
I don't know that you could shade it high enough.

798
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:56,000
Because if Long Island is disinterested, and Long Island's disinterested, Mercyhurst,

799
00:43:56,039 --> 00:43:59,239
we know, is going to be interested. I mean, this

800
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:04,280
is there and tournament right here tonight, so they're going

801
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:05,920
to come to the game ready to play. You don't

802
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,519
know about the other side. There's instances where you couldn't

803
00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:10,559
you know, you can't make it high enough. They could

804
00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:13,199
win by double digits if Long Island doesn't want to play.

805
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,199
But I don't think that that's the case. Quite honestly,

806
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,280
I think l i U is going to want to

807
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,760
win here just as well. Regardless of what mercy Hurst

808
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:28,079
circumstances are. Those don't affect Long Island at all. They

809
00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:30,760
don't really care what your circumstance is. We're worried about

810
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:36,679
our circumstance. So for me, if it is you know,

811
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,280
for folks who make numbers, make their own power ratings,

812
00:44:41,199 --> 00:44:47,039
this if this thing seems light to you, because expectation

813
00:44:47,159 --> 00:44:50,920
of mercy Hurst money and a lot of people realizing

814
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,760
that mercy Hurst has, you know, can't go to the

815
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,920
tournament and they're going to play harder. If you think

816
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,280
the line favors Long Island, I would certainly go ahead

817
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,079
and play it. I mean, I don't see again, I

818
00:45:02,159 --> 00:45:04,320
can't make the case that Long Island is just not

819
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,679
going to show up here, and that's honestly what you're

820
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,440
hoping for. Yep, that mercy Hurst shows in. LU doesn't

821
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,199
and l IU is better than mercy Hurst to begin with,

822
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,719
the best team in this conference. So for me, I'd

823
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,440
probably looked that way. Didn't play the game yet, but

824
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:25,239
I don't know that i'd be in that line running

825
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:26,960
to get to mercy Hurst plus points here.

826
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: I want to make a quick point about this game

827
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,760
because it's reminiscent to me of the conversation we had

828
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,840
on Sunday with Kelly prior to the high Point Winthrop game,

829
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,800
where this might actually be a pretty good live betting opportunity.

830
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,199
So the thing I'd be looking for here with l

831
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:48,920
I U is the status of Jamal Fuller. He had

832
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,880
a I think he rolled an ankle in the Chicago

833
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,639
State game. I know there was some people that were

834
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,880
unsure if he would play on Saturday. I fully expected

835
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,519
him to play got bet in that game as if

836
00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:04,199
he wasn't gonna play. But of course Jamal Fuller not

837
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,880
only was he out there rob but he played all

838
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,159
forty minutes of the game, you know, went for seventeen

839
00:46:10,199 --> 00:46:13,440
to ten. So I guess my only concern with the

840
00:46:13,559 --> 00:46:18,880
LU side would be if anyone has an ailman, do

841
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,920
they play limited minutes or do they do they not

842
00:46:21,039 --> 00:46:24,599
play much because of course LU already has the tournament

843
00:46:24,639 --> 00:46:27,480
bit and you can't afford to go into next week

844
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:30,280
not you know, not fully healthy. That being said, I

845
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,559
don't think Rod Strickland is trying to deprive anyone of

846
00:46:34,599 --> 00:46:37,199
playing in this game. And then just to the last

847
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:39,960
final point I'll make in favor of l IU, this

848
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,679
will be one of the biggest home games they've had

849
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,119
in recent memory. They're gonna have probably a close to

850
00:46:44,159 --> 00:46:47,880
a sellout for this game, like it'll be their best

851
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,119
crowd of the year. I just don't know how you

852
00:46:50,159 --> 00:46:52,440
get in that atmosphere of your LU and you're not

853
00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:55,320
like totally fired up to go out and win and

854
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,440
play a great game. And if that's the case, then boy,

855
00:46:58,559 --> 00:47:01,599
is that six and a half number two? Again, I

856
00:47:01,639 --> 00:47:04,280
pulled up my number here, I make it nine point nine.

857
00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:07,679
So I really do think the books are forcing you

858
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,599
to pay a big time tax to back mercy Hurst.

859
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,800
Who will one hundred percent have a chance in this

860
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,239
game because that's a pretty good basketball team, So probably

861
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,039
nothing for me there. I just thought that that was

862
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:22,039
a fascinating discussion, and you know, we had it. Looks

863
00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:23,800
like we have people on both sides of that one,

864
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,599
so uh, do what you will with it. But again

865
00:47:26,639 --> 00:47:28,599
I saw I saw a lot of people talking about

866
00:47:28,639 --> 00:47:31,119
that game, and that is another conference championship game, so

867
00:47:31,159 --> 00:47:34,239
we got to talk about it on the show. All right, Rob,

868
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:35,880
let's do this. Do you know what you want to

869
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,920
put in the parlay? And then maybe with the last

870
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,760
few minutes we can find a one we both agree on.

871
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:42,679
But I'll give you the floor if you want to

872
00:47:42,679 --> 00:47:43,679
give out a game right here.

873
00:47:45,079 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm gonna Again, I struggled with

874
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,280
which one to leave here for the group, but I'm

875
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:55,360
going to go this is a absolute some handicap to it.

876
00:47:55,519 --> 00:47:57,480
Lot of gut feel. I had mentioned a couple of

877
00:47:57,519 --> 00:48:00,039
weeks back, Adam that I thought Portland State was a

878
00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:05,360
fatigued basketball team because they their offense just didn't do

879
00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:08,119
enough to help the defense out. And their defense has

880
00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:12,280
been superb ball conference season. They got a little bit

881
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,960
of rest. They bounced back with a big win. They

882
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,079
got a little rest here the way the Big Sky

883
00:48:18,159 --> 00:48:22,400
Tournament works out, they got the rest Montana didn't. Portland

884
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,000
State's got double revenge here tonight against Montana and all

885
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,440
the accolades that I've thrown, you know, the way of

886
00:48:29,519 --> 00:48:34,679
money Williams, the way of Montana, and their defense of

887
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,960
this conference championship tournament. They're the winner last year. I

888
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,639
think that all comes to an end here tonight. I

889
00:48:40,679 --> 00:48:45,079
think Portland State, rested, is probably and again out seeking

890
00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:48,039
double revenge is probably the right way to go here.

891
00:48:49,079 --> 00:48:52,760
For me, Portland State has been the better of the

892
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,079
two this season. Montana's been very up and down. Just

893
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,639
the Northern Colorado results will show you how up and

894
00:48:59,679 --> 00:49:02,639
down Montana has been. The consistency hasn't been there this

895
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,039
year for them. Loved the rise up out of them

896
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:10,039
last night, the forty point performance. I mean, obviously Williams

897
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,360
is a guy with a bullseye on his chest. You

898
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,679
have to cut the head off the state, so to speak,

899
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:20,039
in this instance, because without him, Montana's a different team offensively.

900
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,719
I think Portland State can do that again. I just

901
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,440
for me, Portland State rested is a lot better than

902
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,400
what they were staggering down the stretch unrested. I think

903
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,920
the end of the conference season, the tail end got

904
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:37,400
to them physically. It showed up in their results, and

905
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,639
one more time when they finally got a little breather

906
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,000
heading into this tournament, they came out and played really

907
00:49:43,039 --> 00:49:45,719
well like they had played all season long. Remember this

908
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,960
is the number one seed in the tournament. Still, they

909
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,079
were the best team in this league all year long.

910
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,440
So I thought the price here a little bit light.

911
00:49:54,159 --> 00:49:56,960
You have to win by three. Again, the double revenge

912
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,000
factor kicks in here. So for me, my leg at

913
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,599
the parlay, this sky's been pretty good to me all

914
00:50:01,639 --> 00:50:04,280
season long, So I'll stick in that conference Portland State

915
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,840
minus two and a half second leg of the parlay here.

916
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:15,519
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, I mean listen, I I this is

917
00:50:15,559 --> 00:50:18,639
one where I'd probably be on the other side. I'm

918
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:22,000
just again, but this is so this is it's weird

919
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,760
in these conference tournaments, Rob and I think I'm gonna

920
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,760
just sort of finish up this this discussion with because

921
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:33,400
this is like conference tournament one oh one like mentality,

922
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:38,079
where so like I won with Montana last night, and

923
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,320
I am somewhat premeditated coming into this tournament saying that

924
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:43,920
that was the team I was gonna target, Like I

925
00:50:44,159 --> 00:50:48,800
think Montana going into the tournament was like the team

926
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,440
I wanted to target to potentially make a run. Right,

927
00:50:51,519 --> 00:50:54,079
So it's like, and I always struggle with this, So

928
00:50:54,119 --> 00:50:56,519
I think it's like great to address on this show

929
00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:59,679
because this is gonna happen a number of times this

930
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,760
week where you cash with a team and then you

931
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,480
have to sort of like fight yourself. It's like, am

932
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,320
I just gonna ride this team until they lose? Right? Like,

933
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,679
because I'm going in premeditated saying like, well, I think

934
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,039
Montana's gonna win this tournament, So am I going to

935
00:51:16,159 --> 00:51:18,000
ride them to they lose? Or do I want to? Like,

936
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,239
you know, when do you get off the ride? Rob Right?

937
00:51:20,599 --> 00:51:22,039
If you were if you if you stayed on the

938
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:24,840
ride with Georgia Southern and just kept running it back,

939
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,159
you did pretty good for yourself. So that's kind of

940
00:51:28,159 --> 00:51:30,920
how I was looking at Montana. But I don't I

941
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,800
don't disagree with some of the you know, some of

942
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,519
the things you pointed out with Portland State, and yeah,

943
00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:39,480
I mean, listen, the old ad is tough to be

944
00:51:39,559 --> 00:51:43,000
the team three times, It certainly is. I love Bayou's

945
00:51:43,039 --> 00:51:44,960
note right here, and I guess we can leave it

946
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,960
on this and another thing to look for in play

947
00:51:48,199 --> 00:51:50,679
money Williams went to the line eighteen times last night.

948
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,880
They called everything around the hole. That would be Portland

949
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,159
State's undoing in this game if they get in a

950
00:51:56,199 --> 00:51:59,519
foul trouble, because they do foul. We've talked about this

951
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:02,440
on this show a lot. Where they are they play,

952
00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:04,639
you know, they have four guys that they really play,

953
00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:08,840
and then like five and six play like you know,

954
00:52:09,039 --> 00:52:12,280
limited minutes, and then after that it's like okay, now

955
00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:16,039
who's up, seventh, who's Upbate. They are not a deep team.

956
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:20,039
Those four, their top four players play the vast majority

957
00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:22,719
of the minutes. So yeah, that that could be what

958
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,960
swings that game one way or another. Is how that

959
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,280
whistle's going. And if Portland State, if Montana's getting to

960
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,920
the line and Portland State's racking up the files, I

961
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,280
think that really helps Montana in this game. So that's

962
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:36,960
that's gonna be an interesting one right there.

963
00:52:38,159 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the nineteen free throws, I would just point

964
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:45,239
out sometimes those have to be kind of categorized. Northern

965
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,000
Colorado was in a chase situation where they filed relentlessly

966
00:52:49,039 --> 00:52:51,079
at the end of that game, lose by six, but

967
00:52:51,159 --> 00:52:52,920
it was one of those what we always call it

968
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,920
game extension, right, A lot of your free throws are

969
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,639
coming during game extension, not necessarily because refs are calling

970
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,840
tack stuff. And then the other thing I would say

971
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,199
to that is, you know the referees who refereed Montana

972
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,000
last night, do they come back and referee Montana again tonight?

973
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,199
Not so sure. That's the way that works, same exact

974
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:17,000
referee crew. So Money Williams did his job. They put

975
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,239
the ball in his hands. That's what they're supposed to do.

976
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:24,039
If you're this team, I will say that from my perspective,

977
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:28,079
when you play Northern Colorado, who plays you know they

978
00:53:28,199 --> 00:53:31,239
in Portland State are in two different hemispheres as far

979
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,920
as defensive capability are concerned. You come back now, you're

980
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:36,840
going to play a grinder rather than a team where

981
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,599
you found your way easily against and you have revenge

982
00:53:39,639 --> 00:53:42,440
against a lot of that goes into the handicap here.

983
00:53:42,519 --> 00:53:44,199
Good game. It's lined at two and a half for

984
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,519
a reason because you can make counter arguments here, like

985
00:53:48,039 --> 00:53:51,559
by you, Adam and myself about this game. So again,

986
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,920
I think Portland State's probably the right side here. I

987
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,480
would pretty much assume that there's going to be a

988
00:53:58,519 --> 00:54:01,280
descent in Montana's off output here tonight.

989
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,599
Speaker 1: All right, Rob, here's what we're gonna do. I'm gonna

990
00:54:05,639 --> 00:54:08,280
take the last couple of minutes to make my case

991
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,639
for my Sianna Saints, who are playing in the MAC

992
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:14,639
Championship game tonight down at Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City,

993
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,840
and then right at the end we will decide we'll

994
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,920
just take something that we've already talked about, whether it

995
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,159
be this game or maybe we go back to Gonzaga

996
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,960
and close out the three team parlay. I think Sianna

997
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,440
gets it done tonight. I talk's that's what my gut says.

998
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,880
Sianna gets it done. And here's why they played. So

999
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,679
they've now lost to Merrimack twice, but they made big

1000
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:42,679
time improvements in this second game against the Merrimack zone.

1001
00:54:43,079 --> 00:54:45,800
If Brendan Coyle, who goes two for ten in that game.

1002
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,119
From three has a better shooting night. He actually had

1003
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:52,039
the look that would have won it in regulation. Sianna's

1004
00:54:52,039 --> 00:54:55,199
gonna end. Sianna wins that game. They actually probably deserve

1005
00:54:55,559 --> 00:54:57,719
to win that second game that they lost in ot.

1006
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:03,199
Their defense has really stepped up of late, like Sianna's

1007
00:55:03,199 --> 00:55:05,400
playing the best defense they've played all year the last

1008
00:55:05,559 --> 00:55:09,800
you know, two to three weeks, and to me, like

1009
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,039
they've they've figured out the zone enough where I just

1010
00:55:13,079 --> 00:55:14,719
sort of think if they can lock in on the

1011
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,480
defensive end and just and Gavin Doty can make enough

1012
00:55:18,519 --> 00:55:22,679
place because that's ultimately what Merrimack does really well, and

1013
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,079
what the reason they were able to win both of

1014
00:55:25,079 --> 00:55:29,079
those regular season meetings is their zone is a well

1015
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,199
the Joe gallozone forces Sianna to shoot. Sianna is not

1016
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,599
a great shooting team. But then the other thing is

1017
00:55:34,639 --> 00:55:36,800
it's made it difficult for Dody to get to the rim.

1018
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:41,159
But now that he's had eighty minutes against this zone, Rob,

1019
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,800
I feel like he started to find his way into

1020
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,559
some of the crevices in the last game. And I

1021
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:50,159
think you get a better showing from Sianna offensively than

1022
00:55:50,159 --> 00:55:52,760
you got in the first two meetings. I actually think

1023
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,559
they could hold Merrimack under sixty. So I like the

1024
00:55:56,599 --> 00:55:59,960
Saints here, haven't bet it yet. I saw Merrimack take

1025
00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:03,079
some money. I'm tempted, But Rob, what about what about

1026
00:56:03,079 --> 00:56:06,599
an under boardwalk hall is? Because it's it's it's archbandits

1027
00:56:06,639 --> 00:56:09,159
two point zero. There was two more on Sunday night

1028
00:56:09,199 --> 00:56:11,199
when I was there. They're now seven and two for

1029
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,920
the tournament. So do you have anything side or total?

1030
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:14,800
Cianna Merrimack.

1031
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,679
Speaker 2: Well, the problem with the total is that the vultures

1032
00:56:18,679 --> 00:56:21,159
have already gotten to it right, and there's nothing left

1033
00:56:21,199 --> 00:56:23,239
for me and you to go get one thirty and

1034
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,079
a half down to one twenty four and a half.

1035
00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:28,320
So if you're early to that party, obviously the way

1036
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:32,199
Adam laid that game out, you would be attracted to

1037
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,440
under one thirty and a half one twenty four and

1038
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,239
a half. I like to say this all the time.

1039
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:40,280
Teams can get to that number. In modern day college basketball,

1040
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,239
by mistake, you're talking about a sixty three sixty two final.

1041
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,599
If it's a one point game, sixty three sixty two

1042
00:56:45,679 --> 00:56:49,199
is never undoable no matter who's on the floor. In

1043
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:54,519
college who I didn't like the way Merrimack closed that

1044
00:56:54,639 --> 00:56:57,599
game against marit Adam. I think you made the point

1045
00:56:57,639 --> 00:57:00,519
really quick here on Sunday when we talked with Kelly

1046
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:07,199
about unless Maris miraculously find some jump shooters, they got

1047
00:57:07,199 --> 00:57:09,960
no chance in this game. And for the majority of

1048
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,800
that game, Merrimack kept their distance, the margin was there

1049
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,639
right to cover that number, and then all of a sudden,

1050
00:57:17,159 --> 00:57:20,760
Merrimack goes cold, Marris makes a couple hoops and what

1051
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:24,119
do you know, You're in a one point final. That's

1052
00:57:24,159 --> 00:57:27,599
the problem with that side is that you just can't traded.

1053
00:57:27,679 --> 00:57:30,000
Joe Gallows on defense is great and all of that,

1054
00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:33,199
but you can't trust that offense at times. You're not

1055
00:57:33,239 --> 00:57:36,199
trusting him to do much. Only win by four here,

1056
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,679
that's not a lot. But in these conference championship games,

1057
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,239
we see how they come to the wires. So I

1058
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,960
should have worn like my Hunter green polo today. I

1059
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,039
wasn't even thinking I should have. That's a show of

1060
00:57:48,199 --> 00:57:51,119
disrespect on my party today. I should have been better

1061
00:57:51,159 --> 00:57:51,360
than that.

1062
00:57:52,519 --> 00:57:55,079
Speaker 1: All right, Rob, here's what we're gonna do. I so games,

1063
00:57:55,119 --> 00:57:57,519
we're gonna lie, We're gonna close this parlay out right now.

1064
00:57:58,159 --> 00:58:04,639
Games we've talked about that. I feel we agree on Sianna, Gonzaga, maybe, uh,

1065
00:58:05,199 --> 00:58:09,000
right State. I'll throw those three out there, Sianna, Gonzaga,

1066
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:13,239
right State. Which which of those do you like the best?

1067
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,400
We'll we'll close it out with one of those three,

1068
00:58:15,719 --> 00:58:17,639
and you can throw a team total. It doesn't necessarily

1069
00:58:17,639 --> 00:58:19,239
have to be a side. Which of those do you

1070
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:20,159
like the best?

1071
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:26,199
Speaker 2: Thoroughly open to Gonzaga team total over the eighty two

1072
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,360
and a half. I'm thoroughly open to the Right State

1073
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,719
team total, but I think the Gonzaga we agreed. I

1074
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:31,440
think you will.

1075
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say. The only question now is

1076
00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:36,159
do you want to put the Gonzaga side or the

1077
00:58:36,199 --> 00:58:38,480
team total? I think the side may be moved a

1078
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,920
little bit, so do we go team total? Yeah?

1079
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 2: It did move up to seven and a half now

1080
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,119
full point moves, so I think we probably stick to

1081
00:58:46,199 --> 00:58:48,320
In my mind, the over eighty two and a half

1082
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,280
seems doable. I think they get to eighty five. I

1083
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,960
think you said that earlier. They'll probably get to eighty five,

1084
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:54,280
and so.

1085
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I mean, listen, and just a final point

1086
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:02,039
as we as we sign off, right, they should be

1087
00:59:02,119 --> 00:59:04,679
able to get to the rim and almost name how

1088
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:06,960
much they should be able to score as many as

1089
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:08,840
they want to score for Santa Clara. It's gonna be

1090
00:59:09,159 --> 00:59:11,920
can you score with them? In my opinion, because I

1091
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,159
just don't think Santa Clara is stringing together stop after

1092
00:59:15,199 --> 00:59:17,320
stop against that front court. So I'm good with that

1093
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,880
Gizaga team totally close it out, but I do need

1094
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,000
your rooting for my Saints. We need all the yeah,

1095
00:59:24,159 --> 00:59:27,000
need all the helps. We can get some some Sienna

1096
00:59:27,039 --> 00:59:30,159
alum paid for all the buses for the kids, so

1097
00:59:30,519 --> 00:59:32,760
they were going to charge the kids twenty bucks to

1098
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,280
like drive them down there. Now it's just anyone that

1099
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:40,119
wants to go, free ticket, free bus paid for by

1100
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:45,400
some anonymous Sienna donor. So I think they've got upwards

1101
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,719
of like there was already one hundred sign up and

1102
00:59:47,719 --> 00:59:50,159
people were still signing up. So they should have an

1103
00:59:50,599 --> 00:59:53,480
some nice fan support down there in ac tonight. And

1104
00:59:54,559 --> 00:59:56,760
like I said, I need you cheering for them. They're

1105
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:01,199
not in the parlay, but the parlay is Gonzaga team

1106
01:00:01,239 --> 01:00:02,519
total over eighty two.

1107
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 2: And a half.

1108
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: Rob and I agree on that one. Rob's gonna go

1109
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,440
with Portland State minus two and a half and I'm

1110
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,199
gonna go with Baylor minus three and a half. I've

1111
01:00:11,239 --> 01:00:15,000
attached minus won twenty five juice to that one. You

1112
01:00:15,039 --> 01:00:17,840
can play minus four as well. That's fine. That is

1113
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,840
the early tip, So that's noon. That's twelve thirty Eastern.

1114
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,159
So we're going three teamer today. If you get in late,

1115
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,800
just play the two teamer. You know. That's why I

1116
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,159
wanted to add that third leg in case you got

1117
01:00:30,199 --> 01:00:34,519
in late. That's the show today. I will we will

1118
01:00:34,559 --> 01:00:36,239
be back. I promise I will be on a little

1119
01:00:36,239 --> 01:00:40,039
bit more sleep than I was on today tomorrow since

1120
01:00:40,079 --> 01:00:42,159
I won't be up till all hours at the er.

1121
01:00:43,199 --> 01:00:46,039
But I also decided I'm leaving my er bracelet on

1122
01:00:46,119 --> 01:00:48,400
until I lose one because I feel like that also

1123
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:53,880
helped me get Santa Clara home. So yeah, everyone, have

1124
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:55,719
a great day. We got hoops all day for the

1125
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,199
rest of the week, and you'll have Rob and I,

1126
01:00:58,199 --> 01:01:02,159
I believe, like literally every day this month. So we'll

1127
01:01:02,199 --> 01:01:05,679
be back tomorrow ten am Eastern. Cash all your tickets

1128
01:01:05,719 --> 01:01:07,239
today and we will see you guys in the morning.