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Speaker 1: My most recent one. Honestly, that changed a lot of things.

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This one thing was like a skeleton key that changed

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how I looked at everything in my faith, in my Bible,

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and it kind of ostracized me. Man, I ain't gonna lie.

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When I discovered it, I knew. I was like, Man,

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this is real. This is a hot button topic, and

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it's gonna piss a lot of people off.

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Speaker 2: What if I told you that everything you know is

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just the beginning. Beyond the veil of the ordinary lies

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a realm of hidden knowledge, ancient wisdom, and untapped potential,

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a place where consciousness expands, reality bends, and the impossible

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becomes possible. You weren't meant to stan sleep. You were

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meant to awaken. Open your mind, remember who you truly are,

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and step with me Beyond the Frequency three sixty nine. Hey,

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before we start the episode, if you're on YouTuber, rumble

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like subscribe and hit that bell you want me to comment,

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I appreciate the support. Let's start the show. Welcome to

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Beyond the Frequency through sixty nine. My name is Caesar,

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Pragan and folks, if you can't tell my voice is gone.

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I've had a fantastic weekend with the family, a lot

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of talking and conversating, has some friends over the house,

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and just my voice just hasn't came back. It's been

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about almost three days now. But the show must go on,

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so I hope you guys can bear with me. I

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will do my best during editing to try to fix

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the voice a little bit, so it's now so annoying

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for you guys as you're listening. But either way, I

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appreciate all of you, and more importantly, I wanted to

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have and not miss this opportunity with Doc Brown, who's

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my guest today, which you guys will get to know

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him a lot more if you don't know him already

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from his own podcast, The Prometheus Lens. So, Doc Brown,

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how are you.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing good man. I appreciate you having me, and

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that's what I'm saying. We ended up happing to cancel

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one one day earlier because scheduling conflicts, but I said

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it's kind of worked out because I'm getting over something myself,

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so we'll both try to push through today.

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Speaker 2: Brother, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I mean, you know, like obviously

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for a podcast or one of the worst things to

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go is your voice. But we're gonna give it a shot.

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And folks, I'm kind of curious as you continue to

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watch this show. We don't really know what the show

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is going to be. This is We're going to just

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have a conversation. But let me know what you think

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about this voice. Should I do it more often?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: Or should I not? Let me know? And in the

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comments if you if it's the worst experience that you've had,

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you know, I apologize, but let me know. I'm curious too,

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And if it's the best, let me know too. So Doc, again,

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I appreciate you, As I told all my guests, I

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appreciate you gift me your time because this is your

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time to give and you're choosing that to spend within

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this hour with me and my audience. So I want

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to first thank you for this opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now, you're very welcome. That's why I tell my

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guests time that's life's most valuable resource. I appreciate it

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when you share it with me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And Doc, I gotta ask Doc Brown,

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where did that come from?

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Speaker 1: It was just, honestly, it's kind of like an oxymoron.

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I'm a Southern man, you know, I'm from the South.

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So we have six and a half foot to seven

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foot tall guys that we nicknamed tiny. So I guess

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that's what my nickname is. It's another oxy moron because

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I'm just this dumb, you know, nine to five factory

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worker manufactory're out my whole life and got this deep

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Southern drawl, and I like blue jeans and T shirt. Man,

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I covered tattoos. So it's like when you look at me,

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you're thinking, this is just a good old boy. He

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don't have no knowledge nuggies, you know. And then I

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start talking about some of the things I talk about

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and it blows people's mind. And I just had some

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people to start calling me, you know, Doc Brown or

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Professor Brown, and it just kind of it just stuck.

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Speaker 2: Love it and it fits and it works because when

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of something. Yeah, I didn't realize. It was just like

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like a funny tagline. Handle and does it have anything

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Speaker 1: A little bit? I mean, because it just kind of

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I went with it, you know, because when they called

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me that, I was like, oh, yeah, back to the future.

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I even bought a Doc Brown costume that I break

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out occasionally. I'll do weg the glasses, the yallow suit

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and the red button up, the whole nine yards.

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think you posted. I don't know if it's a video

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or a picture on your Instagram. Yeah, I think you're

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wearing the costume. I loved it. I loved it. And again,

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I appreciate you. I like the fact that you have humor,

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but you also have some some gems that my audience

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is going to be able to hopefully learn something new. Right,

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and if they already heard of anything that you talk about,

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let's see if it compares to what they heard, you know. So,

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does is it triggers something, whether it be a remembrance,

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a new thought, a question of curiosity, and it just

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keeps going, you know. So, Doc, I got to ask

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you before before you started, actually, let me give the

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people a baseline first about who you are. So let

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me let me give you the opportunity, so Doc, to

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tell us a little bit about who you are. Talk

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about your podcast and in general, the topics and themes

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that interest you.

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I'm just a nine to five factory worker guy, you know.

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the Bible Belt down in the East Tennessee. Of course,

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you get to high school, you hit the rebellious stage,

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and I was no different. But I was always fascinated

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with the Bible. Ancient history, and history was honestly the

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only subject that I paid attention to in school that

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interested me. Ancient Egyptians and the Megalists and the Pyramids

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and all that kind of stuff. I always fascinated me.

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found Trey Smith from God in a Nutshell. He was

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talking about angels coming down, breeding with the daughters of men,

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creating Nephelom giants and hybrids and following angel technology and

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all this stuff, and was talking about it in the Bible.

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read the Bible front to back me any times that

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stuff ain't in there. Then I got to looking through

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there and found every bit of it, and I was like, man,

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I was relying too heavily on my pastors and parents

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and teachers to tell me what was in there, and

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me not looking for it myself. So then I just

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started deep diving and going through all these biblical topics,

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and it led into conspiracy theory, It led into cryptids,

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it led into ancient lost civilizations, conspiracy theories, all those

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fascinating subjects, and I was making connections or biblical connections

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with them all. So I just started going through man,

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just reading every book I can get my hand on,

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and just connecting those red strings of thread on the

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chalk conspiracy board. So I just like to look at

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all those subjects and just kind of filter them through

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my biblical limbs and see what sticks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate you. You're sharing that, and you made a

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good point about you had you read. You said that

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you read the Bible from front to back, and then

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you realize that maybe I missed a couple of a

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couple of things. And I believe that I see that

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in a lot of people who read all kinds of Bibles,

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all kinds of churches. They're so compliant and so convinced

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that what their pastor or their peers are telling them

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is all they need to know. And I've always, you know, humbly,

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what's what's your interpretation of what was said in today's

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what do you call it sermon or whatever the case is.

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know what I mean. And it's always been a rinse

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and repeat of that type of response. I grew up

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with the foundation of Christianity, you know, and I also

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went to church and was baptized and all that good stuff,

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you know, Bible study, things like that. And as I

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got older, I remember I had asked a question. The

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pastor was talking to something about Jesus left at twelve

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years old and then he came back around thirty years

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old on the back of a donkey and things like that,

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and I asked the question. I said, well, where did

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he go from twelve to thirty? You know, I didn't.

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I raised my hand, and he's just like, don't worry

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about it, just you know, just just keep going with

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the story. And I asked twice, and it became a disturbance.

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I was asking this question. Eventually, not that I was

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kicked out, but I felt like I wasn't really belonging

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there anymore. And that was one of those catalysts for

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me to just say, yeah, they're not telling me everything.

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esoteric teachings and writings I didn't even know existed, and

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then I came across my path. So from everything that

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you've researched and read doc you mentioned the red line

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or the red threats for conspiracy, are you finding any

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common truth through all the stories and all the knowledge

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that you've kind of gathered. Is there anything? Is there

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one solid common truth that you found with me?

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Speaker 1: Like, there's several different things, Like I know we were talking

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a little bit pre roll, but like, for instance, there's

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certain things that are culture blind. They're time blind. It

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doesn't matter what time you go to or what culture

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or what part of the world you go to. You

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have common threads. And a lot of people want to

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strick some of these things up as myths or lore.

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you call this a myth, so you call this a lore,

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of years and every different type of tongue, nation, creed, religion,

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people group share this common thread. There must be something.

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a kernel of truth in that story, you know there's

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something there or it wouldn't have transgressed time and culture

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like it has. And some of those that are like giants,

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there was giants on the earth in those days. No

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matter what culture you go to, what time you go

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to that everybody's got stories of giants.

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Speaker 2: Everybody.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, doesn't matter where you go. Every culture has a

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creation story and it usually involves order from chaos, and

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there's usually chaos, dragon or serpent and some waters. Doesn't

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matter where you go. You have a great flood, there's

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a scar in the memory of man of a great

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cataclysm that wiped everybody out. That's universal. So there's this

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certain things that I'd find that it doesn't matter where

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Speaker 2: What's the most fascinating discovery from your research that has

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really blung you back, like wow, that that happened or

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that existing?

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Speaker 1: Probably Like I would say to start with what was giants?

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that ain't I ain't real. That's fairy tale. That's you know,

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Jack and the Beanstalk, fairy tale, crap man. And then

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I got to look through the Bible, and it's all

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through the Bible, and it talks about the you know,

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the angels came down and bred with dollars of men

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and made these Nephlin giants. And well then you go

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to the Greeks, Well what do they say. They say

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that the gods came down and bred with human women

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and made Gimmi gods like Hercules, and they were the

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mighty men of old. You know, that common thing just

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goes everywhere. That really blew my mind, and that really

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fascinated me so that I started to get into that

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the Smithsonian and the elongated skulls and how you're finding

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those all over the world. There's just been lots of

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little paradigm shift moments that I've had through this journey

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that changed a lot of things. This one thing was

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like a skeleton key that changed how I looked at

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everything in my faith, in my Bible, and it kind

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of ostracized me. Man, I ain't gonna lie when I

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discovered it, I knew. I was like, man, this is real.

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This is a hot button topic, and it's gonna piss

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a lot of people off, and I'm gonna be labeled

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a heretic. But I want truth, man, it doesn't matter

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where it comes from. Truth is truth. And I think

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everybody has pieces of the puzzle we had. That's why

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we had to have these conversations and exchange our puzzle

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pieces with each other and get a better view of

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what we call life in this world. And yeah, man,

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but honestly, when I wrote this book that the epica

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be saw first right and seed War, I ventured off

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into serpentcy theory. And once I started looking into that,

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that's the only thing that makes to me from what

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happened in the garden of Eden, is this serpentcy theory.

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What you're talking about that really switched things for you. Okay,

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let's go straight to that. Let's talk about that. I'm curious. Yeah,

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let's see. Growing up, you know, in the Bible, you

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hear in Genesis that God made Adam and Eve and

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they were told they could partake of all the trees

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and Eden, but this one tree they could not partake of.

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this tree of knowledge of good and evil and took

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an apple and bid into this apple and then give

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it to Adam. Adam bid into it, and suddenly they

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knew they were naked, and they were kicked out of

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the Garden of God. And I was like, okay. So

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and reading it for myself, I was like, there is

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no apple in this story. Where is this apple? There

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is no apple. It's an allegory. We were lied to,

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you know what I mean. And so I was like, okay, well,

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maybe that was just a little innocent little thing they

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threw into the story.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: It was a misconception, Mandela effect, you know. So I

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kept reading and I just had just a lot of questions,

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to say the least. But I had a woman on

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my show. Her name was a doctor Joy Pugh, and

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she's from Georgia, so she's a Southern woman, so she

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talks to Southern lingo I guess. So I guess it

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worked well and I accepted it and listened. But she

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started talking about serpent seed theory on one of our shows,

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and I'm not gonna lie. I was just like, man,

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here we go. Nothing. One's gonna be a crazy conversation.

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Because I had listened to scholars and people that I

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highly respected, and I was guilty of doing that same

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thing that I done earlier, just taking what the other

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people say is what it is and not look at

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it myself. So I had all these scholars saying that

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the serpent seed theory held no water, there was nothing

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to it, don't even look into it, don't waste your time.

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so much more sense. And she told me, she said, Okay,

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put yourself in this situation. She said, you got to

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put yourself in the mindset of the people of the

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time that the book was written and who it was

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written to. You can take your modern conceptions and placing

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on anything and bend it to make it be what

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you want it to be, but that doesn't make it

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what it was meant to be.

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Speaker 2: When you're saying the book we're talking about the Bible.

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, like the Book of Genesis.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, gotcha, Okay, all right, I'm falling.

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Speaker 1: So she said, you know, they partook of this tree

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and they were kicked out of the garden. She said, well,

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let's look at that event. She said. They partook of

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the tree, and she said, and they ate. And she

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said that Hebrew word, she said, can be translated to eight,

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But many many times, that very same Hebrew word is

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translated to enjoys in the very same book, she said,

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It has a sexual connotation to it. And she said,

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So she partook of this tree, and she enjoyed, and

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then she went to her husband, and he too enjoyed.

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the adversary, the hussa tar the nakash, And in Hebrew,

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that word nakash can mean serpent, but it can also

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mean the shining one or the one who practices divin nation,

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so she said, and then she said, look, we got

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to look at the after effects of this. She said,

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what happens? She said, what's the first thing they do

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after partaking of this tree and enjoying? She said, they

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covered their private parts. She said. As a kid, she said,

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I wasn't allowed to have cookies before supper, she said,

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and sometimes my mama would slip out of the kitchen

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and me and my sister would get up on the

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refrigerator and grab cookies and try to eat them real

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fast before she come in. She said. The times we

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got caught and she'd come back in while we were

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still eating, she said, you know what we done. We

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covered our mouth, she said, because that's where the sin was,

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that's where the transgression was. That's what we wanted to hide.

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tree happens, they cover their sexual reproductive organs.

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Speaker 2: Damn.

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Speaker 1: And she said, and this is mosaic law. She said,

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eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. She said,

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all your judgments of God in the Bible, she said,

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correlate with the sin. She said, so, she said, if

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she ate a piece of fruit, the cursing would have

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been her teeth would have rotted out of her head,

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or she would have had stomach issues or diarrhea, something

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to do with eating.

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Speaker 2: She said.

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Speaker 1: All of the curses, all of them have to do

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with sexual reproduction. She said, what was the cursing of God?

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Speaker 2: Say?

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Speaker 1: It says there that he would put painful menstruation on

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the woman, that he would increase her pains and labor,

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and that she'd be in great travail and that she

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would put enmity or he would put enmity between her

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seed and thy seed talking to the serpent. So it

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says it right there, the woman's going to have a seed,

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the serpent's going to have a seed, and that he

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is going to put enmity between those two. And then

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so I was kind of real and I was like,

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oh my god, she's blowing my whole worldview here. And

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then she says, now, let's look at the names. She said, uh,

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the first one that come out, she says, was named Cain.

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she said, that beans acquired. She said, what loving mother

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names their child acquired? She said, you know, any parents

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that's listening knows that this is a very important thing.

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That you have probably a list of fifty names that

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you're going through and debating on with your with your

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significant other before you finally choose one. It's an important thing.

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It chose with intention. And she said, so then you

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go to Abel. Abel was the second twin. She said,

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they name him breath? She said, because Adam was created

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and given the breath of life. From God. So Abel

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was in the similitude of his father Adam. Cain was

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not of Adam.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's why he was acquired.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he was adopted. And it makes sense because you

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see just you know, when they get kicked out of

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the paradise, what happens. You know, Abel or Kine is

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the one with all the evil, wicked thoughts, and he

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is at enmity, at war with his brother the seed

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of the woman, and ultimately kills his brother.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so so is Cain. Was Cain acquired from

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between Eve and the snake? Is that what that? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I believe that what happened there when she partook of

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the nakash it was a sexual thing. Yeah, and she

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became pregnant, and then she went and had sex with

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her husband, showing him what she had just learned.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look what I just learned. Yeah, look what I'm right? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and germinated the second seed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's interesting. That would definitely blow somebody's mind.

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That's falling the narrative of the whole apple. You know,

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I made a sin because I look just so weird.

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I have a standing here. I don't read the Bible much,

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you know, and I'm not against it, I just don't.

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I just don't. I just don't read it. But I've

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always you know, went from my foundation of the stories.

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I always thought like, why would you get kicked out

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of the garden for eating an apple? You know? And

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then why was it that God per se forbidden this apple?

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It's fruit, it's food, Like there had to be something more,

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which made me think like there was an actual story.

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And then whoever rewrote the Bible and things like that

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just wrote it into a narrative that excluded the actual

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information for whatever reason. You know, do you think the Bible?

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Do you think God did everything all the stories are

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in the Bible, or do you think the Bible is

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like a remix of a bunch of stories put into

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one book. Your thoughts.

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Speaker 1: It's hard telling. But I know a lot of Christians

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they want they take the viewpoint that, you know, the

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Bible is the divine inspired word of God. It's never

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been changed, and it's been preserved and perfect and all this,

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and I upset some people. You know, I'm a Christian,

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you know what I mean. I'll read my Bible. I

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believe in Jesus Christ all this stuff, But my viewpoints

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my opinion are more what's the word honest, because me,

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I'm a skeptic. You know, I might as well be

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from Missouri, which I'm not, you know, because that's to

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show me state, you know, that's how I am. It's like,

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show me the proof, Show me the evidence, and I'll

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follow it to and see where it leads. But for

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us to say that this thing was in its own

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little box, uninfluenced by the people around them and the

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cultures around them, I think is pretty naive. Yeah, and

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we see that's why we see so many similarities. You know,

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these were people I believe do I believe the Bible

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is the divine inspired word of God. I do. But

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God chose humanity as to conduit to write these stories

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down and to do these things. And mankind is proven

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time and time again. We change things, we screw things up,

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we throw in our own theology and what we think

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is right, and that mud is the water sometimes And

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I tell people a lot of the stuff that I

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look at it has nothing to do with your faith

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or your salvation. So all the subjects I like looking into,

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it's just extra, you know, because I'm a curious person.

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the Bible, and there's some stuff makes me scratch my

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head and makes me think there was some alterations and

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stuff done. But I will say this, I think the

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main thread line, the main story, the backbone of it,

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has been preserved and left attact by God. And what

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I mean by that is the overall arching story of creation,

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the fall, redemption through Christ, and returning back to the

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Father in a Garden of edenstyle atmosphere. That to me,

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that's the overall arching story of the Bible, and that's

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been laid out and preserved. That some of this stuff

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is it's confusing. It can lead you down rabbit trails

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and leave you scratching you head sometimes. One thing that

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to me, in my opinion, is so very simple is

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the story of Christ, salvation, redemption and forgiveness and all that.

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a child could understand it, and I think there was

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some intentionality there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, And I respect that, And you know,

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like I agree that even though I don't follow it

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and organize religion anymore, I respect the fact that people

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at least believe in something greater than themselves and the

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most baseline. You know, I don't care if it's one

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god or if it's twelve gods or one hundred gods.

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than you. You know, that's the part that I like.

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Now when I get interested, is why do you believe

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in this? Why do you believe in that? Like now,

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I want to explore what caught your attention, And that's

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what I like. That's what I like, and I respect

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about religions in that aspect, not so so much the

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rules that go with it.

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Speaker 1: Exactly. If you don't do this, organize religion. Yeah, it's

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been the hugest stigma for people to coming to Christianity

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and running people away. Yeah, but once again that that's

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humanity screwing things up like we naturally do.

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If you don't follow these rules, you're going to hell.

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If you don't follow these rules, we're going to kill you.

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If you don't follow these rules, you're gonna be kicked

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out and you're gonna be alone. It's like, wow, what

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you know? And that part, there's so many people that

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are okay with that, like they're compliant. They're like, yeah, yeah,

472
00:25:42,519 --> 00:25:46,480
that's that's just the way it is. But why how.

473
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,519
Speaker 1: They were raised you know, just like raised me. Yeah,

474
00:25:49,519 --> 00:25:51,839
that's what they were told from the day they were little. Yeah,

475
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,759
that's what their pastor and their aunt and uncle and

476
00:25:53,759 --> 00:25:55,480
everybody around them told them. This is how it is,

477
00:25:55,799 --> 00:25:57,799
and so that's what they believe what it is. They've

478
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,720
not they've not actually ventured out of that squared infance

479
00:26:01,759 --> 00:26:03,440
of the pasture. It's like they're that sheep in that

480
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,359
little square box. And yeah they're protected, they're fed their water,

481
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,920
but man, they ain't living. They're surviving. You need to

482
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,680
get out of that fence and go off on your

483
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,039
hero's journey, man, and form your relationship with the creator.

484
00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:15,839
That's what you want you to do.

485
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,279
Speaker 2: And you, you, like many other guests, but you, in

486
00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:22,519
this case, are a great example. You just flat out said,

487
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,880
I still read my Bible, I still believe in Jesus

488
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,240
Christ and all the teachings, but I you know, I'm

489
00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:35,839
still curious. And that's okay. That is okay. And I

490
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,839
hope if there's any listeners on my channel or if

491
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,960
Dog shares it on his and things like that, like

492
00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:45,920
just hear us out on that. My goal. I won't

493
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,680
speak on behalf of dog, but my goal, my intention

494
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,880
of this podcast is I have a belief dog that

495
00:26:52,079 --> 00:26:56,400
are understanding I should say that we are more than

496
00:26:56,799 --> 00:26:59,319
just the meat suit. Right. There's a lot of people

497
00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:03,119
that are believe that they are humans trying to have

498
00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:06,640
a spiritual experience, and I believe this the other way around.

499
00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:11,319
We are spiritual beings having a human experience. I believe

500
00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:14,759
when we were something else before we became mortal, and

501
00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:17,839
then this body is temporary, you know, it's not eternal.

502
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,359
So to tell me that we are our existence is

503
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,920
just from the time that we go to the time

504
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,240
we just lose our last breath. I don't accept that,

505
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,400
you know, so we were something. So not to get

506
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,039
to the off to off on track on that, but Doc.

507
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,519
Speaker 1: Well just one point though, I love that, and I

508
00:27:39,559 --> 00:27:42,920
just want to add to your thought. There there was

509
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,920
a guy that I can't remember his name now because

510
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,519
I watched so much videos and read so much. Now

511
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,000
everything kind of blurs in together. So if whoever said

512
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,400
this said it, and I don't remember your name, I apologize.

513
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,200
But he was talking about the same thing you were

514
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,400
talking about. But he said you know, basically you are

515
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,039
the ghost in the machine. And he said, you know,

516
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,279
you drive a car back and forth to word. He said,

517
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,720
are you the car or is the car a tool

518
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,599
that you use and get into? He said, you get

519
00:28:11,599 --> 00:28:14,000
into the car, you crash that car and totle it,

520
00:28:15,079 --> 00:28:16,920
but you can get out and walk out.

521
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 2: He said.

522
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 1: Your soul is no different. He said, your soul operates

523
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,119
this this meat suit. And he said, and you got

524
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,880
to think about a parent with a car. He said,

525
00:28:27,079 --> 00:28:31,000
do you get your sixteen year old boy that you know,

526
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,480
six hundred horsepower Mustang for his first car. No, it's

527
00:28:35,519 --> 00:28:36,960
going to kill him. You know, he's going to wreck

528
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,559
and screw that first car real bad. So you get

529
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,920
him the starter car. And then once they show they're

530
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,319
responsible and they and they handle that car well, then

531
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,319
they get the upgrade to the Mustang or the next thing.

532
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:50,359
Speaker 2: He said.

533
00:28:50,359 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: So, he said, I believe that your heavenly father, he says,

534
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,759
no different. He said, you get the crappy starter car

535
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,519
to see what you're going to do with it, and

536
00:28:57,559 --> 00:29:00,519
then once you wreck this car, you step right out

537
00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:01,880
and you go to your next one.

538
00:29:02,359 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 2: I love that. I love it. Yeah, dog, that leads me. Actually,

539
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,079
I want to clarify something with you. Do you I

540
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:15,160
mentioned about religion and spirituality. Do you consider yourself religious

541
00:29:15,359 --> 00:29:17,799
or spiritual? Are those two one in the same.

542
00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: No, they're definitely not the same. Religious. In my opinion,

543
00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:26,000
my viewpoint religion is to do not do this, do

544
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,160
not do that. When the Saints go marching in. You

545
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,759
got to have your suit and tie when you walk

546
00:29:29,759 --> 00:29:31,559
in the door, take your hat off, and you know,

547
00:29:31,599 --> 00:29:36,079
and all this legality stuff, phariseeic stuff. And that's that's

548
00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:39,799
who Jesus combated the most. If you read your New Testament,

549
00:29:39,799 --> 00:29:42,519
I don't see how people miss this, but it's like

550
00:29:42,599 --> 00:29:46,559
he was a hippie. I mean, he was a rebel.

551
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,799
He came in and here was all imagine in modern day,

552
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,440
you know, your Southern Baptist with your suit and tie

553
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,400
and they're all, you know, marching into their pew, single file,

554
00:29:56,599 --> 00:29:59,319
and you know, nobody speaks out of turn, you know,

555
00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:02,279
and all that kind of stuff. That was the Pharisees

556
00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:05,799
of Jesus's day. And he rolls up and he's like, nah,

557
00:30:05,799 --> 00:30:11,599
he's flipping tables. Gastized them, call him a pit of vipers.

558
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,599
And so he was anti establishment. He was anti religion.

559
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,279
He came to break that mold and set people on

560
00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:21,759
a path to relationship with the Father and get away

561
00:30:21,799 --> 00:30:25,119
from the legalities of religion. In my opinion, that's how

562
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:31,640
I read it. So, you know, I think my perception,

563
00:30:32,319 --> 00:30:36,319
the spiritual part of it, I would just translate that

564
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:41,200
to a relationship, you know, personal relationship. I mean, they're

565
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,599
the same thing. I guess it's just tomato tomato what

566
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:44,359
I would call it.

567
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I appreciate you sharing that. I'm always curious about,

568
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,480
you know, how people view those two terms. You know.

569
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,720
It's like another term that I'd like to, you know,

570
00:30:55,519 --> 00:30:59,359
get people to think about, is the term reincarnation and incarnation.

571
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,440
I you know, some people were like incarnation, I never

572
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,119
heard that. I've heard of reincarnation. Well, we're talking about

573
00:31:06,119 --> 00:31:09,880
a scripture and everything. Have you heard those two terms?

574
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,920
And what the difference are do you or do you

575
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,119
only know one of them more than the other. I'm

576
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:14,920
just curious.

577
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: I just I mean, I know, like when they talk

578
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,599
about you know, Christ, you know, he was you know,

579
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:24,079
God incarnate, so God in the flesh. Okay, So I

580
00:31:24,119 --> 00:31:29,880
would assume maybe that's just uh, the first inception versus

581
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,079
the second. Yeah, you're close.

582
00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you. I think you aren't. There's my

583
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,279
understanding of it is reincarnation is when you come back

584
00:31:40,119 --> 00:31:43,160
into the into in this case, the same body, which

585
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,279
in this case, that's what Jesus did in the in

586
00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:48,240
the in the story, right, he reincarnated, you know, he

587
00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:51,279
died and they reincarnated back into his body and then

588
00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:54,880
he went back up or something of that. Where incarnate

589
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,680
or incarnation is when you is when if let's say

590
00:31:59,319 --> 00:32:05,440
you transfer your consciousness into my body, you incarnate yourself

591
00:32:05,599 --> 00:32:10,400
into a different body. That's incarnating. Reincarnating means that you

592
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,400
caught your consciousness or whatever it is that you are,

593
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:17,640
your soul leaves your body and reincarnates back into your

594
00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:21,000
into the same vessel. Does that make sense?

595
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, see what you're saying.

596
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,319
Speaker 2: So because a lot of as I told you offline,

597
00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:28,799
I read a lot of Egyptian I'm in that realm

598
00:32:28,839 --> 00:32:31,599
and eary thing, and a lot of the Egyptian texts.

599
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:37,960
Atlanteans Lumerians, Sumerians like deities. They would have this place

600
00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:40,839
called the Halls of a Mente, which is underneath the

601
00:32:40,839 --> 00:32:44,440
Pyramid of Giza, in one of their chambers and they

602
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:49,000
had these what some would call like a cryogenic's chambers,

603
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:51,359
if you will, but it's basically where they would take

604
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,440
their bodies in there and they would while the bodies

605
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,599
are being healed or rejuvenated, they would incarnate their consciousness

606
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:03,400
into another body, you know, and then live continue to

607
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,559
live now all of their all of their people that

608
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,039
are all of other followers and things like that. They

609
00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:12,039
would know that that's you know, their boss. But this

610
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,119
is why a lot of these in the Sumerians kings list,

611
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,559
this is why there's a lot of these rulers who

612
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,839
lived for thousands of years, thirty six thousand years, ruling

613
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,480
you know, for one area for one lifetime, I guess,

614
00:33:25,559 --> 00:33:28,759
And a lot of ancient stories would talk about these

615
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:32,640
deities extending their lives in that fashion and then walk

616
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,799
and then walking among men but not being one of them,

617
00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:40,720
which also sounds something like some kind of scripture crarent

618
00:33:40,759 --> 00:33:42,799
me from wrong that somewhere in the Bible, I know

619
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,839
it says something like that where Jesus kind of said

620
00:33:46,319 --> 00:33:49,400
something along those lines that he was walking among men

621
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,440
but not like them, or something like that. I could

622
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:52,960
be wrong, maybe I missed.

623
00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: See in this world, but not of this world.

624
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that sounds similar to Yeah, that sounds similar

625
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,440
to so interesting thing, what's doc What is your I

626
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,519
think I read somewhere was I was kind of reading

627
00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:09,079
your bio that you were really hung down into the

628
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:11,280
whole church and Bible. And then you left and then

629
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,400
you came back, did you? So when you left? What

630
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,719
does that? I mean? Like you just said, I'm atheist

631
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,119
type deal, I'm taking a break with No.

632
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,159
Speaker 1: It was just I mean, I never stopped believing that

633
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:24,159
there was a God. It was just I went to

634
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:26,880
the point where, hey, I'm young, There's plenty of time

635
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,559
for me to do what I need to do, so

636
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:30,559
I'm going to be doing me right now. So I

637
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,760
just went to I quit going to church, and I

638
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,280
just started partying really hard and running around with their

639
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,360
own crowds in and out of jail and that kind

640
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,079
of thing. And it wasn't so early to mid twenties

641
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,239
that I started distancing myself from the drugs and all

642
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,159
the wild party atmosphere and stuff like that, and started

643
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:52,119
to inching back into the church. And I got back

644
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:54,719
in church and started reading the Bible again and got

645
00:34:55,559 --> 00:34:58,199
really into this stuff. And then, like I said, around

646
00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:01,320
twenty twelve. That's when I started find then all this

647
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,599
other quote unquote weird stuff in the Bible, and then

648
00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:07,119
that really fascinated, being kind of like your experience. Once

649
00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:10,119
I started talking to like my pastors and some of

650
00:35:10,119 --> 00:35:12,320
the people that I went to church with and was

651
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,559
friends with about this stuff, they were the paradigm busters

652
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,920
have two effects. They either have fight or flight. And

653
00:35:20,519 --> 00:35:23,199
there's a few people that could have their paradigm busted

654
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,679
and picked the pieces back up and reassemble it and

655
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,119
keep going. But most people it's like, no, that's too

656
00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:31,039
much work. That they will fight you to keep from

657
00:35:31,159 --> 00:35:33,639
you busting their paradigm, or just walk away from you

658
00:35:33,679 --> 00:35:36,559
and excludes you and fly away. And I was experiencing that.

659
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,880
Everybody I was talking to about, you know, the giants

660
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,400
and all the stuff in the Bible that was quote

661
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,639
unquote weird, they were just you know, telling me that

662
00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:47,400
I was looking into dark things, or you're you're looking

663
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,400
in that book Enoch's that's of the Devil. You should

664
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:51,400
burn that, not read it.

665
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 2: And why do they do that? Why is it when

666
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:59,880
you look outside the narrative, it's always demonic. Everything's demonic, demonic, demonic,

667
00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:03,519
thaw evil. Why I don't understand that? Can you clarify

668
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,360
why people go straight to that?

669
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,199
Speaker 1: Honestly, I think it's just And don't get me wrong,

670
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,199
some of it is. Some of it is, but not

671
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,639
all of it. And that's the thing I think a

672
00:36:13,679 --> 00:36:15,159
lot of Christians like to do. They like to throw

673
00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:17,559
this huge blanket over everything that if it's not in

674
00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:19,920
our sixty six book it's of the devil, don't read it.

675
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,320
And I'm totally against that. But once again, I think

676
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,400
it's just a victim of their upbringing because a lot

677
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,079
of people, it's like you are. Most people are born

678
00:36:30,119 --> 00:36:35,320
with their religion. It's given to them, huh, it because

679
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,559
their identity. And there's very few people in this world

680
00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:43,960
that pick their religion. Yeah, but I can tell you

681
00:36:44,039 --> 00:36:48,000
right now, Christianity was given to me at birth. It

682
00:36:48,159 --> 00:36:52,400
was a sign to me and I marched it, but

683
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,800
I walked away and self examined it and then I

684
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,559
chose it. Now, some people never have that. Some people

685
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:03,400
never have that, And that's what I try to tell people.

686
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,079
That's why I love doing my show, and I love

687
00:37:06,119 --> 00:37:09,519
having conversations with people like you, brother and exchanging these

688
00:37:09,559 --> 00:37:13,280
puzzle pieces because every single time that I do, I

689
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,679
stack another puzzle piece in my evidence file. And all

690
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,079
it's doing is creating a firm foundation for me to

691
00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:22,480
stand on, and it's solidifying my faith and drawing me closer.

692
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,800
I've only found things that strengthen my faith by looking

693
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,079
through some of these things.

694
00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. Thank you for sharing that. You're

695
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,480
so right. I didn't think about it until you actually

696
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,280
verbalized it. That there's so many people that are born

697
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,320
into a religion, but like you, you were able to

698
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,400
just walk out, take a look and say, Okay, yeah,

699
00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:46,599
it's for me. Other people you don't have that choice.

700
00:37:47,559 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: You don't have They do that just they feel in prison,

701
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:50,400
you know what I mean?

702
00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay that Yeah, you're you're right, but it's that

703
00:37:54,639 --> 00:37:59,960
it's it's that fear state of mindset which takes away

704
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:03,719
that choice from them. And you're right, everyone has a choice.

705
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,400
Everyone has a choice. If you got to get to

706
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,800
know me more, you will realize that I'm I'm all

707
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,800
about the power of the We talk about everything's outside

708
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,360
of us, you know, out into the into the universe,

709
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,079
put it out there and stuff. But my message is

710
00:38:20,119 --> 00:38:24,360
about the power of the U inverse. There's a universe

711
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,480
inside of yourself, and you're your And when I say

712
00:38:28,519 --> 00:38:31,920
this next part, some people kind of cringe a little bit.

713
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,440
But you're a god, not with the capo G, not

714
00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:38,119
the creative all might, but with a with a small G.

715
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:43,199
Your your spirit, your soul is a powerful peace fragment

716
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,760
if you will, of the greater One and everything. And

717
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,960
that's what I focus on. If you're aware, that's a

718
00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:52,280
it's a thing.

719
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:53,599
Speaker 1: But most people miss it.

720
00:38:56,559 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

721
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it says in the beginning Elohim God or God's

722
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,679
with an s according you know how you read it.

723
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,199
But I think I think it's plural. There is in

724
00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:10,119
the beginning the gods created the heavens and the earth.

725
00:39:10,679 --> 00:39:15,840
But the God, in my opinion, you know, Yahweh says

726
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,519
let us make man in our image. And a lot

727
00:39:20,519 --> 00:39:23,079
of Christians want to say, that's a trinity. He's talking

728
00:39:23,079 --> 00:39:25,960
to the trinity. I'm like, so what, he's an egotistical

729
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,840
maniac that talks to yourself and the third person. Well, self,

730
00:39:29,199 --> 00:39:32,639
let's make some more selves like ourselves. What do you think, self? Yes,

731
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,000
now you down, self, Okay, let's do that. Usselves are going.

732
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 2: To do that. I love that.

733
00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: I love that was the divine counsel. And when it

734
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,280
created man was it say? It was a lifeless body

735
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:48,400
meets suit, until when he breath of life into him,

736
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,679
he gave a peace of himself to us. So we

737
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,000
are all droplets of water from the ocean of the

738
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,519
oneness of God. And what does every river do? Every

739
00:39:58,599 --> 00:40:02,280
river flows back to source. I love that's what we're

740
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:02,880
trying to do.

741
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: Ship. I love that. Yeah, yeah, dude, I love that.

742
00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:11,480
It's like taking a cup at the ocean and then

743
00:40:11,639 --> 00:40:15,360
you're like, you know, you're that You're that piece of

744
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,400
water in the cup? Are you? Are you just that

745
00:40:18,519 --> 00:40:20,440
cup of water? Are you still part of the whole

746
00:40:20,559 --> 00:40:22,960
entire thing? It's still part of it? You know. I'm

747
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,639
just glad. Maybe I just haven't had a guess yet.

748
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,480
That's that's you know, reads the Bible like you instilling

749
00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:33,639
it to even say or agree what I just said,

750
00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:36,840
because I may not say exactly the way you say,

751
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,480
and vice versa. But we we agree that the concept

752
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:45,559
is that common common thread, the common thread. That's that's all.

753
00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:48,519
That's all we care about. We ask all we care about,

754
00:40:48,559 --> 00:40:52,880
and having you know, like like like a star trek explorer,

755
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,840
you know, I'm not out there exploring in the cosmos,

756
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:00,719
but through podcasting, you and I are exploring through conversation. Oh,

757
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:05,280
we're we're meeting new life and people and cultures, you know,

758
00:41:05,559 --> 00:41:08,119
and their experiences and how they do things, because we're

759
00:41:08,159 --> 00:41:11,920
all having this experience, you know. And the confusion is,

760
00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:14,719
but why are we having such a different experience if

761
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,960
we're all doing the same thing, you know, we're supposed

762
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,079
to be. Let me let me ask you this, let

763
00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:23,400
me poke at something, and with all respect, we're just

764
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,119
having a conversation here regarding Jesus. I don't know if

765
00:41:26,119 --> 00:41:29,599
there's a confusion, but the name Yeshua, and then there's

766
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,559
Jesus in the Bible and they're there and then person.

767
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, transliteration issues there, Yeah.

768
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 2: Is that? What talk to me about that? Why why

769
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,360
is it that some people strictly just call them Jesus

770
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,599
and some people like, no, it's Yesua if they're the

771
00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:46,480
same person.

772
00:41:47,679 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's the thing with me, And like, like

773
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,400
I said, I'm just a good old boy, and I

774
00:41:53,519 --> 00:41:56,280
try to simplify things so I can understand them, you know.

775
00:41:57,119 --> 00:42:00,840
And with linguistics, the people that have that opinion, they

776
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,519
get stuck in this little narrow mindset and they don't

777
00:42:03,559 --> 00:42:07,440
have the expertise and the wide vision of linguistics and

778
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,280
how that works. And I'm not saying I do, but

779
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,119
I have a lot of friends that with the d

780
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,320
rs in front of their names and the PhDs in

781
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:16,639
front of their names, that I speak to on a

782
00:42:16,679 --> 00:42:19,400
weekly basis. That breaks stuff down for me, so I

783
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,159
can understand. But yeah, I mean, it's all comes down

784
00:42:22,159 --> 00:42:25,519
to transliteration. Yes, the Jewish people, and just for those

785
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:28,960
that want to stick to that strict by the name people,

786
00:42:29,039 --> 00:42:33,239
you know, you're not Jewish, so you don't need to

787
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:39,280
speak Jewish. So yeah, there is no J sound in

788
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:44,000
the Hebrew language, so Jay's turned into wise Jesus. You know,

789
00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:48,840
yes you is basically the equivalent to our English you know, Joshua,

790
00:42:49,679 --> 00:42:54,599
yes you. And when it went into the English language,

791
00:42:55,639 --> 00:42:58,079
you know, they picked up the J sound because that's

792
00:42:58,119 --> 00:43:00,360
how we say that, say it and say thing with

793
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,079
people like in Norway. I got a friend I recently made.

794
00:43:03,559 --> 00:43:07,880
I say his name Jacob, but he says his name

795
00:43:08,199 --> 00:43:11,199
he acup with a why I know Jay?

796
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 2: Interesting.

797
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: No, It's like, you know, and if you are having

798
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,800
this fight with somebody, you know, Oh no, you got

799
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,039
to say it this way, You got to say it

800
00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:22,960
that way. Well, here's the thing, people, if you believe

801
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:27,119
in a creator God that created you, he created your

802
00:43:27,199 --> 00:43:31,719
languages that you speak to. If he's all knowing and

803
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:36,320
created everything, he's not going to not know when you're

804
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,519
trying to communicate with him, no matter what you call him.

805
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,360
And I use this example my grandmother, God rest her soul.

806
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,840
She got older, she kept messing my name up. I

807
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,519
know that woman loved me, I know who she knew

808
00:43:47,519 --> 00:43:50,679
who I was, but she's just getting older. But sometimes

809
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,599
she would call me Phil, and that was her youngest son.

810
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,000
So she'd look look right at me and say Phil.

811
00:43:57,199 --> 00:44:01,400
Would I ignore her? No, I knew who she is

812
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,199
talking to. So I turned around and said, yes, ma'ama,

813
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,320
Well I'm sorry, I know who he is talking to.

814
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:08,079
Speaker 2: Yeah.

815
00:44:08,519 --> 00:44:11,079
Speaker 1: You think your heavenly father is going to be so

816
00:44:11,199 --> 00:44:14,719
freaking petty that you mispronounced his name. He's not going

817
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,840
to respond to you. That's not a loving father.

818
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's a great point. That's a valid and

819
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,159
great great point.

820
00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: That pharisee legalistic religion stuff that Jesus came to destroy.

821
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, I mean he knows, Yeah, he

822
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,960
knows if you're talking to him. You know, my my

823
00:44:36,159 --> 00:44:40,119
parents raised me again in the foundation of church, and

824
00:44:40,639 --> 00:44:42,679
to this day they don't go to church. I think

825
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,119
they stopped going to church year decades ago, but they

826
00:44:46,119 --> 00:44:50,559
still pray. They still pray, They still you know, they're like,

827
00:44:50,599 --> 00:44:53,519
look on the side of my bed, I talked to Jesus,

828
00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:55,800
I don't need to go into the I don't need

829
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,559
to do the whole ritual. I think that's kind of

830
00:44:58,639 --> 00:45:02,960
what to me religion, and it's a ritual. I have

831
00:45:03,079 --> 00:45:04,800
to do this, I have to do that, I have

832
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,440
to wear this. That's a riginal you know, like when

833
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,320
God first gave like how you said, gave breath. He

834
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,559
didn't say, and then you got to do all these things.

835
00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:19,199
You know, He just gave you life. He just said

836
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:20,639
he you know.

837
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 1: The fruit will multiply. That's all he told him.

838
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 2: That's it. That's it. Have a good time, enjoy the experience,

839
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,719
have a nice ride, you know. Doc. Let me ask

840
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:34,280
you a random question here, what what do you think

841
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,760
we are? Where do you think we where do you

842
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,719
think we come from? If you and I agree that

843
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,719
the meats is temporary, what are you in your thoughts.

844
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:47,519
Speaker 1: Oh, honestly, the way I see it is we are

845
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:53,039
you know, essentially water droplets from the ocean of God

846
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,480
were pieces of God. So you know, even in the

847
00:45:57,639 --> 00:46:00,280
Old Testament Bible, it said that Adam was a but

848
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:05,719
neha Elohem, a son of God, and that was a

849
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,079
divine name. Anytime that that phrase was used, it was

850
00:46:09,079 --> 00:46:13,639
talking about divine beings. Yeah, yeah, but they fail from

851
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,719
Eden and got I think we got That's how we

852
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,760
got these meat suits. Yeah, and so our ultimate destiny

853
00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:24,840
is to get back to the garden of Eden the

854
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,480
way it was originally intended.

855
00:46:26,639 --> 00:46:28,679
Speaker 2: Now that you mentioned that, And this is why we're

856
00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:31,840
having this conversation because we agree with with with a

857
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,920
lot of things, but there's always different perspectives. So as

858
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:39,000
I as I study the Egyptian culture, they you know,

859
00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:41,440
there's the stories of the Ananaki and things like that.

860
00:46:41,519 --> 00:46:45,800
I don't know she heard those terms, but they mentioned

861
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:51,199
that the Eden supposedly was in a location called Adams

862
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:56,159
Calendar in Africa, and people can google this or maybe

863
00:46:56,199 --> 00:46:58,079
thuring the video. I'll just put up a photo of

864
00:46:58,119 --> 00:47:01,800
it and stuff. But Adam's Calendar in our historical mainstream

865
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:07,519
history is the first gold mine, the first recorded actual

866
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:12,679
gold mine. And there's still remnants of this compound in

867
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,440
a circle and everything this and it was a compound

868
00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:19,480
like h and where the garden was there and people

869
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,079
were mining and a lot of the children from Adam

870
00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:27,320
and Eve, according to these these Egyptian stories, were in

871
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,639
that compound and when they were left and when they

872
00:47:29,639 --> 00:47:32,760
were yeah, what go When they were from the garden,

873
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,679
they left that compound and everything out there was humanity

874
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:40,880
and other things. So it's just giants and Elohim you

875
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:45,039
mentioned there was also it's also a plural translation. So

876
00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:49,079
do you believe that there were more than one god

877
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,199
at one point and then we turned into monetheism?

878
00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:55,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean if you look at the like from

879
00:47:55,719 --> 00:48:00,239
the Christian or the Jewish perspective, they everybody wants to say, oh,

880
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,519
well they're monotheists. No, I mean in an actuality they are.

881
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:09,880
They had many gods, but they occasionally turned monotheistic, but

882
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,920
then they would go back to the many gods. They

883
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,800
can't see saw back and forth. And I think you

884
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,079
know when it talks about the elohem in Genesis that

885
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,239
was the divine council, they are, you know, like you

886
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,159
had mentioned lower case g gods, but that I take

887
00:48:25,199 --> 00:48:31,599
the opinion that they were created beings. Yes, so God

888
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,400
doesn't need these other helpers. But it's kind of like

889
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,719
he wanted a family. He wanted to be just and

890
00:48:40,519 --> 00:48:44,960
share the rule and create a family and created these

891
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:49,840
elohem and then they started working together to create, you know,

892
00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:52,679
the universe and earth, and that's when they said, let

893
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,239
us make man in our image. But according to Genesis six,

894
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,320
it says that in the Book of Enoch, it says

895
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:02,840
that these elohem that they were the watchers. They watched

896
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,719
over humanity and made sure that they got everything they

897
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,920
needed and was on course and doing what they needed

898
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,960
to do. They were like the big brother. And that's

899
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,719
how I look at it. The angelic race is our

900
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,320
elder brother. We are the younger brother. And that's a

901
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,280
theme you see throughout the Bible. That's that red common

902
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:24,920
theme thread through the Bible and through the stories. And

903
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,760
they looked upon the women and seeing bus their little

904
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:32,440
brothers partaking in sex and marriage and offspring, and they

905
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,119
couldn't do that, and they wanted that. So it says

906
00:49:36,159 --> 00:49:39,039
that they rebelled against heaven, that they went down and

907
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,840
took wives amongst the women who they chose and bred

908
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,360
with them and delivered the Nephelum, the mighty men of old,

909
00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:50,039
the giants and these demigods from the Greek mythologies and stuff.

910
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:55,400
And that's how that all got started. So the way

911
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,480
I look at is when we hear about the Anonaki

912
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,639
and the Samarian kings and all this stuff. These are

913
00:50:01,679 --> 00:50:05,159
the god kings that came down and rebelled and that,

914
00:50:05,199 --> 00:50:08,440
and God let them have a season. But it says

915
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,199
that it got so wicked that they were sinning against

916
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:16,000
the birds and beasts of the air. So whether that

917
00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:20,480
was sexual or DNA manipulation. And then it says that

918
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:22,880
their hearts turned evil, and wicked was on their their

919
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,920
hearts and minds continually, and that the fallen angels gave

920
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,320
them forbidden knowledge and the seven sacred sciences, and they

921
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,519
perverted them and used them for evil game, and that

922
00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:36,920
the gene pool had become so corrupted that Noah was

923
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:43,960
the only to men in Hebrew righteous. But and what

924
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:49,880
that word, that word is always associated with the sacrificial system.

925
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,159
So the lambs that were that loud blemish, and all

926
00:50:53,199 --> 00:50:55,840
these sacrificial animals and birds have they always said that

927
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,119
they were to mem it means they were pure in

928
00:50:58,159 --> 00:51:01,679
their blood. So that's what it says about Noah. Says Noah,

929
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,599
it was the only righteous one left in our English,

930
00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:06,239
but when you go to Hebrew, it says he was

931
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:10,000
the only to men one left. He was the only

932
00:51:10,199 --> 00:51:13,360
bloodline on earth that was not corrupted by these lower

933
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:14,719
kseg god fallen.

934
00:51:14,519 --> 00:51:17,679
Speaker 2: Angels, which is crazy, like.

935
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so to preserve God's perfect creation, he brought

936
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:28,400
the floods and drowned the Nephelum and basically hit the

937
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,280
reset button. But according to the legends of the Lord,

938
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,920
he didn't purposefully like try to kill them all, because

939
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,239
I mean, I'm of the opinion that God doesn't fail.

940
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:38,920
So a lot of people want to say, well, if

941
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,360
some giants survived, then God failed, Well, no, not if

942
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,000
it wasn't his intention. If his intention was just the

943
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:47,280
level of playing fields that his creation would have a

944
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,280
fighting chance, that makes a lot more sense.

945
00:51:51,039 --> 00:51:54,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. If the creator God

946
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,159
intends to do something, he's going to do it. If

947
00:51:57,159 --> 00:52:01,920
you have the ability to create all of existence, then

948
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,920
how hard is it to wipe out what you created.

949
00:52:05,039 --> 00:52:06,719
It's like taking your paper and just put it into

950
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,920
a ball and starting over. How many I know the

951
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,719
Bible depicts that the earth's been destroyed, like I don't know,

952
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,920
three or four times or more. I think it's been

953
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,519
a lot more on that. I think it's been like

954
00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:22,960
dozens of times, you know, just that our history tells us,

955
00:52:23,079 --> 00:52:24,800
you know, a certain amount. But I think it's been

956
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:29,239
destroyed numerous times for whatever reasons. So it's like I

957
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,079
would ask this, So let's say, let's say it was

958
00:52:32,119 --> 00:52:37,280
destroyed a dozen times? Like did God just mess up

959
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:42,280
a dozen times? Did he lose control of his creations

960
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,280
so many times? Like? Yeah, why would you know?

961
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: See, I think it's like a thought project kind of.

962
00:52:47,679 --> 00:52:50,079
It's like because when I read that, you know, said

963
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:54,440
that God, you know, was the the ruler and overseer

964
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,960
of heaven and earth, and then when he created us,

965
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,960
it's kind of like we were created as like the

966
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,840
game of Thrones. You had all those lords, right well,

967
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:09,559
the lords owned land and looked over certain cities and peoples.

968
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,440
That's what I think that talks about. When we get

969
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,440
into image bearing, you know said he made us in

970
00:53:16,519 --> 00:53:19,679
his image. I don't think that's so much a physical

971
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,920
thing as it is He is the king and priest

972
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:27,599
of creation, and we are his lords. He gave us

973
00:53:27,679 --> 00:53:31,119
dominion of earth to rule earth as he rules heaven.

974
00:53:31,159 --> 00:53:33,239
And that's why you have all those prayers on earth

975
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,639
as it is in heaven, because we are supposed to

976
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:39,760
rule earth as God rules heaven. So when people see us,

977
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,400
they're supposed to see the Creator. And so when we're

978
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:48,360
being gluttons and greedy, not loving our fellow man and

979
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:52,320
helping our struggling people and being good lords of what

980
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,920
He's entrusted us with, then the world becomes a darker place.

981
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,960
And so in my opinion, it all comes to image bearing.

982
00:54:01,039 --> 00:54:03,400
So he done this, and he's a man, he's a

983
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,360
god of his word. So he gave Adam dominion. He

984
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,920
gave mankind to meaning of earth. So now he has

985
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,199
to step back. It's still his, but it's under the

986
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,519
rule and subjugation of us, and so he has to

987
00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:18,280
sit back and let us do what we choose and

988
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:22,360
see fit. But then these angelic hostis watchers started inserting

989
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,920
themselves into the game. So then every once in a

990
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,079
while he's like the referee. He comes out on the

991
00:54:27,079 --> 00:54:29,199
court and throws a flag your penalty on the field.

992
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,800
You got to go into the time out box for

993
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:32,800
a thousand years.

994
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,159
Speaker 2: Bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that. I love I

995
00:54:36,199 --> 00:54:38,719
love that, I like I like how you also touch

996
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:43,400
based on the create created in his image. Because to

997
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:49,239
that point, in Egyptian texts, they talk about that there

998
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:54,679
were multiple deities or fake gods in Mesopotamia, and their

999
00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:59,039
head god, the main boss, was a knew and because

1000
00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:02,880
all these guys were fighting against each other for resources,

1001
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,719
which is us, human and territory, he split them all

1002
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,960
up through Mesopotamia. He said, you take this area, you

1003
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,880
take this area, and so on and so forth. Then

1004
00:55:14,159 --> 00:55:18,159
the humans that they had or possessed were created in

1005
00:55:18,599 --> 00:55:22,159
their image, in each one each each one of these

1006
00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:25,679
gods different images. So that way, if let's say, like

1007
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,000
cows and herds, if one got out, you will know

1008
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:33,239
that one belongs to that god because everybody is supposed

1009
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,639
to look like that person. So it's like, I hear

1010
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:38,960
what you're saying, because that's how I learned it too.

1011
00:55:39,039 --> 00:55:40,440
You know, we're in the image of God and blah

1012
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,400
blah blah, and I took it also. You know to

1013
00:55:43,559 --> 00:55:46,400
the tea, oh we look like him because maybe we

1014
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,280
have two arms, two legs and blah blah blah. Then

1015
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:53,800
I hear then I read esoteric, which predates the Bible

1016
00:55:54,599 --> 00:55:58,639
thousands of years on stones and stuff. But thousands of

1017
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:02,760
years they're telling these stories. So I'm like chicken or

1018
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,159
the egg. You know, I'm like you know.

1019
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,199
Speaker 1: And with me, I want to tell you this because

1020
00:56:08,599 --> 00:56:11,280
this for you to see it my in my vision,

1021
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,320
because I've heard I've heard that a lot, and and

1022
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,639
it does. It sounds concrete, I mean honestly, And I

1023
00:56:17,679 --> 00:56:19,960
think this is where a lot of Christians, in my opinion,

1024
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:25,119
fall short because they just have their faith. It's blind faith. Well,

1025
00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:26,920
I can't tell you why I believe what I believe,

1026
00:56:27,039 --> 00:56:28,760
or I can't show you no evidence to prove what

1027
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,559
I believe. I just believe it. Yeah, But I'm the time.

1028
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:32,920
I'm the show me state guy.

1029
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:33,159
Speaker 2: You know.

1030
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 1: I can show you all kinds of stuff too to

1031
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,079
back up the stuff that I believe. Whether you know,

1032
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:39,960
whether I can get you to could you know to

1033
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,320
see it my way? That's a different story, right. But

1034
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:44,599
you even have what you were talking about in those

1035
00:56:44,599 --> 00:56:48,320
ancient texts in the Bible, and yes, and a lot

1036
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,000
of non believers that are combative against Christians will use

1037
00:56:51,039 --> 00:56:53,679
that and they'll say, well, you know, this text is

1038
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,599
thousands of years older than yours, so therefore this one's

1039
00:56:56,639 --> 00:56:58,719
the And I'm like, well, and I tell those people,

1040
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:00,440
I'm like, Okay, I can see what you're saying. I

1041
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,559
can see your point of view, but now see it

1042
00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:07,559
this way. Tell me the first of anything that was

1043
00:57:07,599 --> 00:57:12,840
the best, the first that's the case is yeah, the

1044
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,599
first of anything is never the best.

1045
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1046
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: If that's the case, everybody driving around four Maltese and

1047
00:57:18,159 --> 00:57:23,519
according to our Bible, was it say that shortly after Genesis,

1048
00:57:23,559 --> 00:57:28,920
the fallen angels came down and rebelled against God, and

1049
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,920
they were cast out of heaven and they ruled over

1050
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:35,119
the nations. So I tell people, of course you're going

1051
00:57:35,199 --> 00:57:37,400
to get the fallen angel version first, because they were

1052
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:38,800
here first, they rebelled first.

1053
00:57:39,039 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there was something here but before us absolutely, Yeah,

1054
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:43,440
for sure.

1055
00:57:43,519 --> 00:57:45,719
Speaker 1: And it goes along with the timeline of the Bible.

1056
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,280
And even with you were saying how they divided the

1057
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:52,159
people's up, A lot of people missed that. Yeah, but

1058
00:57:52,239 --> 00:57:53,519
that is the tower of Bibel.

1059
00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:55,039
Speaker 2: Tower of Bibel.

1060
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you go to Deuteronomy thirty two, that's a

1061
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,000
retelling of that story, and a lot of people don't.

1062
00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:02,239
They skipped through denteronomy because it's a lot of laws

1063
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,079
and genealogies and it's boring. But when you go to

1064
00:58:05,079 --> 00:58:10,519
the verse thirty two eight, it says that not only

1065
00:58:10,639 --> 00:58:15,599
was the tongues divided, it says the peoples was divided

1066
00:58:15,719 --> 00:58:21,320
amongst the sons of God, the Benaha Elohim.

1067
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 2: There you go.

1068
00:58:22,719 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: So, so they were chasing after these these these lower

1069
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,360
case g gods that rebeled and come to earth, and

1070
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,679
they were giving out all this sacred knowledge and all

1071
00:58:30,679 --> 00:58:33,800
this technology and doing all this signs and wonders. They

1072
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:37,039
were worshiping them like god'sh And so God said, okay,

1073
00:58:37,159 --> 00:58:39,079
you keep you want to worship these guys you wanted

1074
00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:41,079
to rule over you. I'm going to let them. I'm

1075
00:58:41,079 --> 00:58:43,000
going to let them, but you're not going to like it.

1076
00:58:43,679 --> 00:58:47,559
And then right after that events where he establishes his people,

1077
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:51,039
and that's where he calls out Abraham. But he tells Abraham,

1078
00:58:51,199 --> 00:58:55,119
you know, because he said, Jacob, Israel is my allotted portion.

1079
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,559
And then he calls out Abraham, but he says, all

1080
00:58:57,639 --> 00:59:02,119
nations shall be blessed to your name because you've talked

1081
00:59:02,119 --> 00:59:05,119
about the preservation of that pure bloodline to where the

1082
00:59:05,159 --> 00:59:09,119
Messiah was going to come conquer those lowercase g gods

1083
00:59:09,119 --> 00:59:11,840
and take back the nations. So I mean, it's it's

1084
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,000
all in that narrative if you just know where to look.

1085
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:18,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting. See I that's that's what I enjoyed,

1086
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:22,480
because we all read different things, we all understand different things,

1087
00:59:22,519 --> 00:59:26,280
but there is that there's that common thread you know always,

1088
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,840
and it's it's just fascinating. It's I'm what you just

1089
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:33,719
said just now. I didn't. I didn't. I wasn't aware

1090
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,559
of some of that, but I was like, okay, okay,

1091
00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:38,639
oh yeah, yeah, I see, I see what I see.

1092
00:59:38,639 --> 00:59:40,960
What's what? I still don't know what to believe, you know,

1093
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,840
I still have my own understanding and everything. But I

1094
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,719
love I love hearing newer, new perspective because it's it's

1095
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,880
it's it's fascinating. Let me okay, So here's what I

1096
00:59:50,039 --> 00:59:52,920
normally do. I like to ask all my guests the

1097
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,800
same questions. You know, there's no right or wrong, it's

1098
00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:02,480
just just your just your your response. If I want

1099
01:00:02,519 --> 01:00:06,039
to ask you something before asking these questions, Okay, what

1100
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:12,639
do you think is consciousness. And I know that's randoms. Yeah.

1101
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: I think consciousness is basically the soul sinking up to

1102
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:23,280
this computer chip what we call a brain, and the

1103
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,400
eyes of a receiver, and the world is nothing but

1104
01:00:27,199 --> 01:00:30,360
frequency and vibration. And when you tune in there, you're

1105
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:35,880
you're you're tuning into that station boom, and uh, that's consciousness.

1106
01:00:36,199 --> 01:00:40,480
The soul is the experiencer of this car and that

1107
01:00:40,559 --> 01:00:43,039
the brain is the computer chip, the eyes of the receiver,

1108
01:00:43,159 --> 01:00:46,199
and the receivers tuned to certain frequencies. And I tell

1109
01:00:46,239 --> 01:00:49,119
people from like a Christian point of view, Yeah, demons,

1110
01:00:49,199 --> 01:00:52,480
lowercase g gods, all kinds of other spiritualities are all

1111
01:00:52,519 --> 01:00:56,400
around us. They're probably sitting here watching us talk right now, brother,

1112
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,519
but they are on a higher or lower frequency, and

1113
01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:02,480
our eyes ain't tuned to that. And I think that

1114
01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:05,039
once we were kicked out of the garden, I think

1115
01:01:05,079 --> 01:01:07,880
one of those wires was and we were brought down

1116
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,639
a couple of frequencies and we couldn't see those rams anymore.

1117
01:01:11,639 --> 01:01:18,639
Speaker 2: Damn doc, Doc. You you, if you guys are listening,

1118
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,280
you guys should tune into the to the YouTube episode

1119
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,599
and watch me my my greenness and it's from ear

1120
01:01:24,639 --> 01:01:31,039
to here because because to hear a strong Bible believer

1121
01:01:31,719 --> 01:01:36,880
to even entertain what you just said is a beautiful thing.

1122
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,159
It is a beautiful thing to hear because it's not

1123
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,360
it's not saying that you agree. It just says that

1124
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:48,679
you are just open. Yes, have your Bible, go to church,

1125
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,400
you know, believe in something greater. That's great, But also

1126
01:01:52,679 --> 01:01:56,840
stay open, don't be a sheep. That's all we're saying here.

1127
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:00,519
I love that, so I appreciate you share that with

1128
01:02:00,599 --> 01:02:03,360
my audience. So I'm gonna go straight into I have

1129
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:08,039
six quick questions. First question is, beyond all the knowledge

1130
01:02:08,119 --> 01:02:11,960
that you've gained and you've experienced in your research and

1131
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:16,280
your podcasting and your own journey, what still leaves you

1132
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,159
in awe or makes you question everything?

1133
01:02:19,239 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: Honestly, my biggest is is creation itself. Because I tell

1134
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,000
people all the time. If I talk with to non believers,

1135
01:02:26,039 --> 01:02:28,920
you know, I'm like, hey, you know, I can understand

1136
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,199
where you're at in your position. Everybody's on their own

1137
01:02:31,199 --> 01:02:33,960
little journey, I said, But my thing for me was

1138
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:38,199
throw away all the books, throw away all the legalities,

1139
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,920
and I could step outside and just take a look

1140
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,679
at creation. And I know, I know that, I know that,

1141
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:49,199
I know that there's something higher than me, and there's

1142
01:02:49,239 --> 01:02:54,039
something that created all this stuff, and it's a perfect system.

1143
01:02:54,719 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 2: You know.

1144
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:59,679
Speaker 1: I tell people, you know, you inhale oxygen that the

1145
01:02:59,719 --> 01:03:03,000
trees put off, you exhale the carbon monoxide that feeds

1146
01:03:03,039 --> 01:03:06,719
those trees. You know, it's a reciprocal relationship. The bees

1147
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:10,760
pollinate the flowers, that spread the seed of the birds.

1148
01:03:11,239 --> 01:03:13,960
Everything is. It's a symbiotic system, and it's a system

1149
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,920
within a system within a system that all relies on

1150
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,599
each other. And if one thing as we know it

1151
01:03:20,239 --> 01:03:23,360
on planet Earth was not here, life as we know

1152
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:28,079
it would not be sustainable. So that to me shows

1153
01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:33,199
a divine hand of divine architect of creator. So thow

1154
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:35,599
way the books, thow way the religion, all that. If

1155
01:03:35,639 --> 01:03:37,519
I never even knew what religion was or never even

1156
01:03:37,519 --> 01:03:39,960
read any kind of religious text, I could step outside

1157
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,639
and know there's a God. So you just got to

1158
01:03:42,679 --> 01:03:46,239
step out on your hero's journey, do your research and

1159
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,000
start digging and try to find him. Because in my

1160
01:03:49,159 --> 01:03:52,360
faith that I chose, it tells me that it's the

1161
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,840
glory of God to conceal a thing. But it's the

1162
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:59,559
glory of kings to search things out. We were built

1163
01:03:59,559 --> 01:04:02,440
to seek, So get to seek it.

1164
01:04:02,519 --> 01:04:07,199
Speaker 2: Man, love that side question. I've heard you two or

1165
01:04:07,199 --> 01:04:10,760
three times mentioned hero's journey, and I think I read

1166
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,960
that somewhere in your biography. What talk to Minns said

1167
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,599
about what's what's? What does that mean? Hero's journey?

1168
01:04:16,719 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 1: Well, honestly, that's kind of what I've coined my show.

1169
01:04:20,159 --> 01:04:22,119
Once I started reading all this stuff, and I read

1170
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,199
and I don't I just don't read Christian Eese stuff either.

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I'm reading esoteric books. I'm reading some of these ancient

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Egyptian text I'm looking at all of it because I

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01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,840
like he said, yeah, I'll try to be open and

1174
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:34,559
I try to find the common themes and all this

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01:04:34,599 --> 01:04:36,920
stuff and the common threads, because they're there if you

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01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:41,159
look for them. Joseph Campbell book A Hero of a

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01:04:41,199 --> 01:04:45,000
Thousand Faces. I read that book and he's not a Christian,

1178
01:04:45,719 --> 01:04:48,000
but I seen so many nuggets in it that I

1179
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:53,519
could take away for myself and my theology. So I

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01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:56,079
kind of realized. I'm like, hey, whether we realized or not,

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01:04:56,119 --> 01:04:59,119
we are all on the hero's journey. And if you

1182
01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:01,719
look at all those stories, there's the archetypes and the

1183
01:05:01,719 --> 01:05:06,360
main storylines, Well, what happens you have a foundling. You

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01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:10,599
have a kid typically or a man, but you have

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01:05:10,639 --> 01:05:15,039
a person that is being raised by someone who is

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01:05:15,079 --> 01:05:18,440
not their parents, and they've forgotten who they are, and

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01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:22,119
there's somebody special, but they've forgotten who they are. Well,

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01:05:22,119 --> 01:05:26,119
then here comes the wise sage that steps forward and

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01:05:26,239 --> 01:05:29,760
calls them forth on their hero's journey. And sometimes they

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01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,400
deny it, and you know, fiddle far and around, and

1191
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:34,880
sometimes they just take right off on it. But then

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01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:38,880
just like Luke sky Walker all these stories that we love,

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01:05:39,239 --> 01:05:42,480
they have this archetype and this storyline. They're a foundling,

1194
01:05:42,559 --> 01:05:45,440
they've forgotten how special that they are. They're called to

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01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,360
by a wise young sage. They go on this adventure,

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01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:51,480
they go into the unknown, they face their fears, they

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01:05:51,519 --> 01:05:53,679
face the dragon, and then they come out on the

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01:05:53,719 --> 01:05:56,239
other end as a hero. But the journey's not over.

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They have to come back to humanity and share their

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01:05:59,199 --> 01:06:03,400
gifts and what they learned with humanity and save the world.

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01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:06,719
And you have that even in the most ancient of

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01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,559
stories of my sign back there, it's a guy with

1203
01:06:09,639 --> 01:06:12,679
a flame behind even somebody's holding a sign up. That's

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01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:16,880
the Plato's allegory of the cave. And in that story,

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01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,440
people are changing the rocks in a dark cave, and

1206
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,440
there's this huge flame behind him, and there's people that

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01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,000
are puppet masters holding up these little puppets in front

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01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,400
of the flame, projecting the shadows on the wall. And

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01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:29,800
the people that were in there and chained, that's the

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01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,360
only life they ever knew was seeing the shadows on

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the wall, and they thought the shadows were real, and

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01:06:35,199 --> 01:06:37,679
they would debate with each other, you know, what was

1213
01:06:37,719 --> 01:06:39,760
going to happen with the shadows today, or which one's

1214
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:43,119
going to come out next. Well, one breaks free. It

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01:06:43,239 --> 01:06:45,199
bakes it to the surface and sees the sun for

1216
01:06:45,239 --> 01:06:48,719
the first time. It's blind and he he can't see. Well,

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he doesn't run away, he doesn't run back in the cave.

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He stays there unless his eyes adjusted and he starts

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01:06:53,079 --> 01:06:56,360
seeing everything the world for the first time, and that

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01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,440
he realized that his entire life was a lie who

1221
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:01,599
instead of just taken off and live in his life,

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01:07:02,039 --> 01:07:05,360
he goes back to the cave and since the other

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01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,519
captives free and tells him about this great, beautiful world upstairs,

1224
01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:10,440
and this place is not real. And that the shadows

1225
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:13,119
are not real and they kill him for it and

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01:07:13,159 --> 01:07:16,159
they never leave the cave. So that's what I tell people.

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We have to be ready to leave the cave. And

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I ask people that out time, are you ready to

1229
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:24,480
leave the cave? So, whether you realize they or not,

1230
01:07:24,519 --> 01:07:26,599
we are all on this hero's journey. So you have

1231
01:07:26,719 --> 01:07:30,159
to accept the call to adventure, go into the unknown,

1232
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,800
slay the drag and save the damsel, hoard up the treasure,

1233
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,039
come out on the other end as a hero, and

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01:07:35,039 --> 01:07:38,000
then share that knowledge with the world and save the world.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for explaining that, and I appreciate you also throwing

1236
01:07:42,719 --> 01:07:45,440
in the algory of the cave. I love that story.

1237
01:07:45,559 --> 01:07:48,679
So for those youI that are listening or watching, if

1238
01:07:48,679 --> 01:07:52,280
you haven't seen that story yourself, you find it on YouTube.

1239
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:56,159
It's a beautiful, very some simple story, but it has

1240
01:07:56,199 --> 01:08:01,639
such a profound meaning behind it. So, yes, Doc, what

1241
01:08:02,199 --> 01:08:04,840
is the ultimate purpose of life?

1242
01:08:05,079 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 1: Ultimate purpose? Everybody's going to have a different viewpoint on this,

1243
01:08:08,639 --> 01:08:12,679
but to me it's I think that we were put

1244
01:08:12,719 --> 01:08:16,159
here not for a long time, but for a good time,

1245
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:21,279
and we're supposed to enjoy this experience because you know,

1246
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:23,800
if you take the Christian faith. This is your only shot,

1247
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:28,640
so make the most of it. Learn to love people

1248
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:33,520
as you love yourself, and care for others because we

1249
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:38,039
are all of the same you know, skin color, ethnicity,

1250
01:08:38,359 --> 01:08:40,960
all this other stuff that's just divide tactics. Man, we

1251
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:44,079
are all of the same stock. We're brothers and sisters

1252
01:08:44,159 --> 01:08:46,960
on this journey through life together. So we need to

1253
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:49,880
try to help each other, lift each other up. At

1254
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,760
every opportunity. We can create some offspring in a family,

1255
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:56,840
teach them good moral values. That way, the preservation of

1256
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:01,600
a successful, happy life continues. I think a good goal

1257
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:05,520
for anybody is to just try to be a good

1258
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:09,079
lord of your dominion, of what you've been given charge

1259
01:09:09,119 --> 01:09:12,359
of rule in the image of God, and be just

1260
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:16,079
and leave the world just a fraction of a percent,

1261
01:09:16,199 --> 01:09:19,239
if anything, better than it was when you got here.

1262
01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:21,359
And if we all did that, man, this would be

1263
01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:22,119
a beautiful place.

1264
01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:23,039
Speaker 2: What is God?

1265
01:09:23,399 --> 01:09:28,239
Speaker 1: God is everything. He is the awe, He is the

1266
01:09:28,279 --> 01:09:30,720
air that you breathe, the sun on your skin, the

1267
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:33,960
voice of reason when you're about to do something stupid.

1268
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:37,880
You know, he is your father, he is your friend.

1269
01:09:38,039 --> 01:09:41,319
But I guess just overall, it's just the way I said,

1270
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:47,119
he's spirit, He's everything, but in a dumb down version

1271
01:09:47,159 --> 01:09:49,479
that we can understand with our little pea brains. I

1272
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:53,239
think father is a really good one because a good

1273
01:09:53,319 --> 01:10:00,000
father will create you, he'll clothe you, he will feed you,

1274
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:04,680
show you right from wrong. Then he steps back, you know.

1275
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:06,840
Jordan Peterson, I love it. In his book he said,

1276
01:10:07,079 --> 01:10:11,119
leave skateboarding children alone. You know, if you smother your

1277
01:10:11,199 --> 01:10:14,000
kids and wrap them in knee pads and helmets and

1278
01:10:14,119 --> 01:10:17,039
stereoph home, and before you ever let them get on

1279
01:10:17,079 --> 01:10:21,399
the skateboard and they fall off and they never get hurt,

1280
01:10:21,399 --> 01:10:23,840
and you're always there watching out for them and not

1281
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,479
letting them fall and get scraped up. Man, they're they're

1282
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,560
they're destined to fail. So a good father has to

1283
01:10:30,359 --> 01:10:33,399
sit back and watch them make dumb mistakes, watch them fall,

1284
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:36,720
scrape their knees, break a few legs, break a few hearts,

1285
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:39,439
go to jail time or two, and just be there

1286
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:42,600
for them for words of wisdom and dust them off

1287
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:43,399
and help them get up.

1288
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:44,680
Speaker 2: What is love? Love?

1289
01:10:46,119 --> 01:10:48,359
Speaker 1: God is love, and love is I guess we go

1290
01:10:48,359 --> 01:10:51,239
to the Corinthians says love is patient, love is kind,

1291
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:55,319
love is enduring. It's not self gratifying. It doesn't keep

1292
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:59,479
track of wrongs. It's just acceptance and pushing for the

1293
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:02,159
for the I don't know someone else other than yourself.

1294
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:05,640
Speaker 2: Dog Befre, I said this next question, what's your real

1295
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:06,800
name other than dog.

1296
01:11:08,119 --> 01:11:08,399
Speaker 1: Justin?

1297
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:14,680
Speaker 2: Justin? Okay? If if you could go back to little

1298
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:19,840
Justin and tell him something about your life today, something

1299
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:24,119
that he may need to hear, what would you tell him?

1300
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:28,239
Speaker 1: I would tell him, honestly, I would just say that,

1301
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:33,279
don't spend so much time worrying about what other people

1302
01:11:33,319 --> 01:11:35,319
think of you. And it's good to have a good

1303
01:11:35,359 --> 01:11:39,880
time and have your sewing of the wild oats. But

1304
01:11:40,119 --> 01:11:45,079
definitely try to hit the brakes at least a decade

1305
01:11:45,119 --> 01:11:49,039
sooner if you can get ten years back of some

1306
01:11:49,119 --> 01:11:50,439
good productivity.

1307
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 2: I love that. I love that. And again there's no

1308
01:11:54,079 --> 01:11:58,560
right or wrong answer, just yours and Doc, you show

1309
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,359
me this book before we start episode. Do you want

1310
01:12:01,359 --> 01:12:05,000
to plug that in there real quick? Oh? Yeah, thank you? Yeah.

1311
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:08,520
Speaker 1: I just wrote my first book, The Epic of Esau,

1312
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:11,479
The Birth Right and Seed War. You can find it

1313
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:14,399
on Amazon. You get a digital copy for ten bucks

1314
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:16,640
a physical copy for twenty, or you can go to

1315
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,600
my website for twenty five I can get you a

1316
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:23,840
signed copy with some stickers and bookmarks and little extra stuff. Yeah,

1317
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:27,640
this book is about to Esau, one of the most

1318
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:30,880
enigmatic characters in the Bible. It says that he come

1319
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:33,520
out covered in hair, or he could come out red,

1320
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:35,760
covered in hair from head to toe like a Harry Kloak.

1321
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:38,720
So I argue, with our modern vernacular, this is what

1322
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:42,359
we would call a bigfoot today, That's what. And then

1323
01:12:42,399 --> 01:12:45,159
his story to extra biblical books and other things that

1324
01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:48,479
I'd read. I found out that Esau has a fight

1325
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:52,119
with Nimrod, kills the great Ken king. Nimrod steals his

1326
01:12:52,239 --> 01:12:55,800
supernatural garments that were from the garden of Eden. We

1327
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:59,560
have giants, we have blood, liquors, and sorcerers, all kinds

1328
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,920
of great stuff in this book. And this is not fiction.

1329
01:13:03,359 --> 01:13:07,119
This is all biblically and sourced heavily. So I just

1330
01:13:07,159 --> 01:13:10,000
went through all these old extra Biblical books and just

1331
01:13:10,039 --> 01:13:11,239
gathered the puzzle pieces.

1332
01:13:11,279 --> 01:13:15,159
Speaker 2: Man, love that beautiful book. How many pages is that?

1333
01:13:15,239 --> 01:13:17,239
It's pretty pretty little, a little thick book.

1334
01:13:17,279 --> 01:13:19,560
Speaker 1: I think it's like fifty or something.

1335
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:22,720
Speaker 2: And not bad. It's a good, solid book.

1336
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, two fifty five I love it.

1337
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:27,199
Speaker 2: I love it.

1338
01:13:27,359 --> 01:13:29,399
Speaker 1: Fifteen chapters, yeah.

1339
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:35,159
Speaker 2: Easy easy reading, easy read, folks. Yeah. And and Doc.

1340
01:13:35,079 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 1: And I write like I talk too, So I'm being

1341
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:40,399
caddy and making jokes in there. I've had many people say, man,

1342
01:13:40,399 --> 01:13:42,640
there's lots of good stuff in there, but I'm telling you,

1343
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:45,000
I've laughed my butt off reading some of this stuff.

1344
01:13:45,039 --> 01:13:46,359
I'm like, all right, that's good.

1345
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 2: What a beautiful read. And I'm glad that you're that

1346
01:13:49,039 --> 01:13:51,199
your readers were able to share that with through that

1347
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:56,079
confirmation that you did it right. So yeah, folks, definitely

1348
01:13:56,079 --> 01:13:58,279
go check that out on Amazon. And I put I

1349
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:01,239
put the reminder of this book down at the bottom

1350
01:14:01,239 --> 01:14:05,279
of the screen and things like that. And Doc, what's

1351
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:09,840
one last thing that you piece of advice or words

1352
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:12,279
of wisdom or just anything that you want to just

1353
01:14:12,359 --> 01:14:14,840
throw in from my audience while they're listening right now

1354
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:15,079
to you.

1355
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get I guess I'll end this how I

1356
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,119
usually end my shows. I tell people the difference between

1357
01:14:21,159 --> 01:14:26,359
the known and the undknown is the journey. So good journey, guys.

1358
01:14:27,119 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. And Doc, it was

1359
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:33,720
a pleasure, it was an honor. It's absolutely yeah. I

1360
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:36,960
hope that we may have many more podcasts where we

1361
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,159
can just have a conversation. You know.

1362
01:14:40,279 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 1: Yes, it's refreshing, isn't it.

1363
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:46,159
Speaker 2: Just have a conversation. Just just just talk, man. Just

1364
01:14:46,239 --> 01:14:48,079
make sure you know it kind of check in on

1365
01:14:48,159 --> 01:14:50,840
each other. I think once I tell a lot of

1366
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:55,239
my guests here and I'm telling you this that your family. Now,

1367
01:14:55,319 --> 01:14:58,159
I'll be on the frequency thirty sixty nine. So if

1368
01:14:58,159 --> 01:15:00,920
there's anything that I can do for you to support you,

1369
01:15:01,239 --> 01:15:03,760
I'm here for you, buddy. So just keep that in mind.

1370
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. You sign man, Yeah, me anytime.

1371
01:15:07,359 --> 01:15:10,199
Speaker 2: Awesome. All right, folks, And if you enjoyed this episode

1372
01:15:10,239 --> 01:15:13,399
as much as I did, like it, subscribe If you

1373
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:19,760
haven't subscribed already. Share this conversation with everybody. Everybody. Talk

1374
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:23,279
about it at work, put it on speakerphone while at

1375
01:15:23,319 --> 01:15:26,760
while at work. Because when you talk about this, when

1376
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:29,680
you when you make comments, when you like, when you share,

1377
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,760
it helps this conversation go farther than where it is

1378
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:35,560
right now, but reaches all the way, not just to

1379
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,960
the other side of the planet, but beyond that frequency. Right.

1380
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:43,960
So let's get people just talking, communicating. If you agree

1381
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:47,960
with something or disagree with anything in this conversation. Talk

1382
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:52,640
about it. It's cool, it's fine. You're in a safe place.

1383
01:15:53,359 --> 01:15:56,840
But make sure, as I always ask you, be respectful

1384
01:15:57,039 --> 01:16:00,880
to myself and to the guests. We are are doing this,

1385
01:16:01,239 --> 01:16:03,680
some of us, at least myself, are doing this for

1386
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:07,039
as a labor of love. So this is all free,

1387
01:16:07,119 --> 01:16:09,039
you know, This is just I just like to be

1388
01:16:09,079 --> 01:16:13,159
able to have conversations with people like Doc Brown that

1389
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:17,079
just let me think and question things that I think

1390
01:16:17,159 --> 01:16:19,840
I already know you know. And I'm going to go

1391
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,119
read his book. I'm gonna check it out. I want

1392
01:16:22,159 --> 01:16:24,039
to see what how do you pronounce this again?

1393
01:16:24,119 --> 01:16:27,319
Speaker 1: Is it soap?

1394
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:31,079
Speaker 2: Esa? All right, guys, esau, I'm gonna put in big

1395
01:16:31,119 --> 01:16:34,119
texts down here so you guys can see it. And

1396
01:16:34,159 --> 01:16:37,000
with that said, folks, as a reminder, I love you,

1397
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:41,640
I see you, I hear you, I am you. Continue

1398
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:44,199
to ask questions, don't be afraid to pull back the

1399
01:16:44,279 --> 01:16:58,560
current and take a deeper look, always reaching beyond the frequency.