Speaker 1: My most recent one. Honestly, that changed a lot of things.
This one thing was like a skeleton key that changed
how I looked at everything in my faith, in my Bible,
and it kind of ostracized me. Man, I ain't gonna lie.
When I discovered it, I knew. I was like, Man,
this is real. This is a hot button topic, and
it's gonna piss a lot of people off.
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Pragan and folks, if you can't tell my voice is gone.
I've had a fantastic weekend with the family, a lot
of talking and conversating, has some friends over the house,
and just my voice just hasn't came back. It's been
about almost three days now. But the show must go on,
so I hope you guys can bear with me. I
will do my best during editing to try to fix
the voice a little bit, so it's now so annoying
for you guys as you're listening. But either way, I
appreciate all of you, and more importantly, I wanted to
have and not miss this opportunity with Doc Brown, who's
my guest today, which you guys will get to know
him a lot more if you don't know him already
from his own podcast, The Prometheus Lens. So, Doc Brown,
how are you.
Speaker 1: I'm doing good man. I appreciate you having me, and
that's what I'm saying. We ended up happing to cancel
one one day earlier because scheduling conflicts, but I said
it's kind of worked out because I'm getting over something myself,
so we'll both try to push through today.
Speaker 2: Brother, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I mean, you know, like obviously
for a podcast or one of the worst things to
go is your voice. But we're gonna give it a shot.
And folks, I'm kind of curious as you continue to
watch this show. We don't really know what the show
is going to be. This is We're going to just
have a conversation. But let me know what you think
about this voice. Should I do it more often?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Or should I not? Let me know? And in the
comments if you if it's the worst experience that you've had,
you know, I apologize, but let me know. I'm curious too,
And if it's the best, let me know too. So Doc, again,
I appreciate you, As I told all my guests, I
appreciate you gift me your time because this is your
time to give and you're choosing that to spend within
this hour with me and my audience. So I want
to first thank you for this opportunity.
Speaker 1: Okay, now, you're very welcome. That's why I tell my
guests time that's life's most valuable resource. I appreciate it
when you share it with me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And Doc, I gotta ask Doc Brown,
where did that come from?
Speaker 1: It was just, honestly, it's kind of like an oxymoron.
I'm a Southern man, you know, I'm from the South.
So we have six and a half foot to seven
foot tall guys that we nicknamed tiny. So I guess
that's what my nickname is. It's another oxy moron because
I'm just this dumb, you know, nine to five factory
worker manufactory're out my whole life and got this deep
Southern drawl, and I like blue jeans and T shirt. Man,
I covered tattoos. So it's like when you look at me,
you're thinking, this is just a good old boy. He
don't have no knowledge nuggies, you know. And then I
start talking about some of the things I talk about
and it blows people's mind. And I just had some
people to start calling me, you know, Doc Brown or
Professor Brown, and it just kind of it just stuck.
Speaker 2: Love it and it fits and it works because when
I saw Doc, I literally thought you were a doctor
of something. Yeah, I didn't realize. It was just like
like a funny tagline. Handle and does it have anything
to do with with this guy.
Speaker 1: A little bit? I mean, because it just kind of
I went with it, you know, because when they called
me that, I was like, oh, yeah, back to the future.
I even bought a Doc Brown costume that I break
out occasionally. I'll do weg the glasses, the yallow suit
and the red button up, the whole nine yards.
Speaker 2: Man. You know what, actually, actually, Doc, I did I
think you posted. I don't know if it's a video
or a picture on your Instagram. Yeah, I think you're
wearing the costume. I loved it. I loved it. And again,
I appreciate you. I like the fact that you have humor,
but you also have some some gems that my audience
is going to be able to hopefully learn something new. Right,
and if they already heard of anything that you talk about,
let's see if it compares to what they heard, you know. So,
I'm just I love these conversations is because what it
does is it triggers something, whether it be a remembrance,
a new thought, a question of curiosity, and it just
keeps going, you know. So, Doc, I got to ask
you before before you started, actually, let me give the
people a baseline first about who you are. So let
me let me give you the opportunity, so Doc, to
tell us a little bit about who you are. Talk
about your podcast and in general, the topics and themes
that interest you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, kind of like I just said earlier,
I'm just a nine to five factory worker guy, you know.
And growing up, I grew up in the church, in
the Bible Belt down in the East Tennessee. Of course,
you get to high school, you hit the rebellious stage,
and I was no different. But I was always fascinated
with the Bible. Ancient history, and history was honestly the
only subject that I paid attention to in school that
interested me. Ancient Egyptians and the Megalists and the Pyramids
and all that kind of stuff. I always fascinated me.
And it was probably twenty twelve. I was just doomscrolling
found Trey Smith from God in a Nutshell. He was
talking about angels coming down, breeding with the daughters of men,
creating Nephelom giants and hybrids and following angel technology and
all this stuff, and was talking about it in the Bible.
And I was like, man, this guy's a nutbag. I've
read the Bible front to back me any times that
stuff ain't in there. Then I got to looking through
there and found every bit of it, and I was like, man,
I was relying too heavily on my pastors and parents
and teachers to tell me what was in there, and
me not looking for it myself. So then I just
started deep diving and going through all these biblical topics,
and it led into conspiracy theory, It led into cryptids,
it led into ancient lost civilizations, conspiracy theories, all those
fascinating subjects, and I was making connections or biblical connections
with them all. So I just started going through man,
just reading every book I can get my hand on,
and just connecting those red strings of thread on the
chalk conspiracy board. So I just like to look at
all those subjects and just kind of filter them through
my biblical limbs and see what sticks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate you. You're sharing that, and you made a
good point about you had you read. You said that
you read the Bible from front to back, and then
you realize that maybe I missed a couple of a
couple of things. And I believe that I see that
in a lot of people who read all kinds of Bibles,
all kinds of churches. They're so compliant and so convinced
that what their pastor or their peers are telling them
is all they need to know. And I've always, you know, humbly,
I've always asked a question, well, what have you read,
what's what's your interpretation of what was said in today's
what do you call it sermon or whatever the case is.
And they're like, no, no, I agree with what he said.
And I'm like, yeah, but I didn't ask that, you
know what I mean. And it's always been a rinse
and repeat of that type of response. I grew up
with the foundation of Christianity, you know, and I also
went to church and was baptized and all that good stuff,
you know, Bible study, things like that. And as I
got older, I remember I had asked a question. The
pastor was talking to something about Jesus left at twelve
years old and then he came back around thirty years
old on the back of a donkey and things like that,
and I asked the question. I said, well, where did
he go from twelve to thirty? You know, I didn't.
I raised my hand, and he's just like, don't worry
about it, just you know, just just keep going with
the story. And I asked twice, and it became a disturbance.
I was asking this question. Eventually, not that I was
kicked out, but I felt like I wasn't really belonging
there anymore. And that was one of those catalysts for
me to just say, yeah, they're not telling me everything.
And just like you, I started then looking into other
esoteric teachings and writings I didn't even know existed, and
then I came across my path. So from everything that
you've researched and read doc you mentioned the red line
or the red threats for conspiracy, are you finding any
common truth through all the stories and all the knowledge
that you've kind of gathered. Is there anything? Is there
one solid common truth that you found with me?
Speaker 1: Like, there's several different things, Like I know we were talking
a little bit pre roll, but like, for instance, there's
certain things that are culture blind. They're time blind. It
doesn't matter what time you go to or what culture
or what part of the world you go to. You
have common threads. And a lot of people want to
strick some of these things up as myths or lore.
And I'm the type of person I'm like, Okay, well
you call this a myth, so you call this a lore,
Well why was this myth or lore preserved through thousands
of years and every different type of tongue, nation, creed, religion,
people group share this common thread. There must be something.
There must be a common thread. Even if there's just
a kernel of truth in that story, you know there's
something there or it wouldn't have transgressed time and culture
like it has. And some of those that are like giants,
there was giants on the earth in those days. No
matter what culture you go to, what time you go
to that everybody's got stories of giants.
Speaker 2: Everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, doesn't matter where you go. Every culture has a
creation story and it usually involves order from chaos, and
there's usually chaos, dragon or serpent and some waters. Doesn't
matter where you go. You have a great flood, there's
a scar in the memory of man of a great
cataclysm that wiped everybody out. That's universal. So there's this
certain things that I'd find that it doesn't matter where
you go. I mean you find it.
Speaker 2: What's the most fascinating discovery from your research that has
really blung you back, like wow, that that happened or
that existing?
Speaker 1: Probably Like I would say to start with what was giants?
Because when I first heard about giants, I was like, No,
that ain't I ain't real. That's fairy tale. That's you know,
Jack and the Beanstalk, fairy tale, crap man. And then
I got to look through the Bible, and it's all
through the Bible, and it talks about the you know,
the angels came down and bred with dollars of men
and made these Nephlin giants. And well then you go
to the Greeks, Well what do they say. They say
that the gods came down and bred with human women
and made Gimmi gods like Hercules, and they were the
mighty men of old. You know, that common thing just
goes everywhere. That really blew my mind, and that really
fascinated me so that I started to get into that
the Smithsonian and the elongated skulls and how you're finding
those all over the world. There's just been lots of
little paradigm shift moments that I've had through this journey
and studying things out, but my most recent one, honestly,
that changed a lot of things. This one thing was
like a skeleton key that changed how I looked at
everything in my faith, in my Bible, and it kind
of ostracized me. Man, I ain't gonna lie when I
discovered it, I knew. I was like, man, this is real.
This is a hot button topic, and it's gonna piss
a lot of people off, and I'm gonna be labeled
a heretic. But I want truth, man, it doesn't matter
where it comes from. Truth is truth. And I think
everybody has pieces of the puzzle we had. That's why
we had to have these conversations and exchange our puzzle
pieces with each other and get a better view of
what we call life in this world. And yeah, man,
but honestly, when I wrote this book that the epica
be saw first right and seed War, I ventured off
into serpentcy theory. And once I started looking into that,
that's the only thing that makes to me from what
happened in the garden of Eden, is this serpentcy theory.
What you're talking about that really switched things for you. Okay,
let's go straight to that. Let's talk about that. I'm curious. Yeah,
let's see. Growing up, you know, in the Bible, you
hear in Genesis that God made Adam and Eve and
they were told they could partake of all the trees
and Eden, but this one tree they could not partake of.
And growing up. I was taught that Eve went to
this tree of knowledge of good and evil and took
an apple and bid into this apple and then give
it to Adam. Adam bid into it, and suddenly they
knew they were naked, and they were kicked out of
the Garden of God. And I was like, okay. So
once again, like I said, once I started going through
and reading it for myself, I was like, there is
no apple in this story. Where is this apple? There
is no apple. It's an allegory. We were lied to,
you know what I mean. And so I was like, okay, well,
maybe that was just a little innocent little thing they
threw into the story.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It was a misconception, Mandela effect, you know. So I
kept reading and I just had just a lot of questions,
to say the least. But I had a woman on
my show. Her name was a doctor Joy Pugh, and
she's from Georgia, so she's a Southern woman, so she
talks to Southern lingo I guess. So I guess it
worked well and I accepted it and listened. But she
started talking about serpent seed theory on one of our shows,
and I'm not gonna lie. I was just like, man,
here we go. Nothing. One's gonna be a crazy conversation.
Because I had listened to scholars and people that I
highly respected, and I was guilty of doing that same
thing that I done earlier, just taking what the other
people say is what it is and not look at
it myself. So I had all these scholars saying that
the serpent seed theory held no water, there was nothing
to it, don't even look into it, don't waste your time.
So but once she started talking, man, she started making
so much more sense. And she told me, she said, Okay,
put yourself in this situation. She said, you got to
put yourself in the mindset of the people of the
time that the book was written and who it was
written to. You can take your modern conceptions and placing
on anything and bend it to make it be what
you want it to be, but that doesn't make it
what it was meant to be.
Speaker 2: When you're saying the book we're talking about the Bible.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, like the Book of Genesis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, gotcha, Okay, all right, I'm falling.
Speaker 1: So she said, you know, they partook of this tree
and they were kicked out of the garden. She said, well,
let's look at that event. She said. They partook of
the tree, and she said, and they ate. And she
said that Hebrew word, she said, can be translated to eight,
But many many times, that very same Hebrew word is
translated to enjoys in the very same book, she said,
And it also has the times that it is used.
It has a sexual connotation to it. And she said,
So she partook of this tree, and she enjoyed, and
then she went to her husband, and he too enjoyed.
So she went to yes, So this tree is allegorically
the adversary, the hussa tar the nakash, And in Hebrew,
that word nakash can mean serpent, but it can also
mean the shining one or the one who practices divin nation,
so she said, and then she said, look, we got
to look at the after effects of this. She said,
what happens? She said, what's the first thing they do
after partaking of this tree and enjoying? She said, they
covered their private parts. She said. As a kid, she said,
I wasn't allowed to have cookies before supper, she said,
and sometimes my mama would slip out of the kitchen
and me and my sister would get up on the
refrigerator and grab cookies and try to eat them real
fast before she come in. She said. The times we
got caught and she'd come back in while we were
still eating, she said, you know what we done. We
covered our mouth, she said, because that's where the sin was,
that's where the transgression was. That's what we wanted to hide.
She said, So as soon as this partaking of the
tree happens, they cover their sexual reproductive organs.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 1: And she said, and this is mosaic law. She said,
eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. She said,
all your judgments of God in the Bible, she said,
correlate with the sin. She said, so, she said, if
she ate a piece of fruit, the cursing would have
been her teeth would have rotted out of her head,
or she would have had stomach issues or diarrhea, something
to do with eating.
Speaker 2: She said.
Speaker 1: All of the curses, all of them have to do
with sexual reproduction. She said, what was the cursing of God?
Speaker 2: Say?
Speaker 1: It says there that he would put painful menstruation on
the woman, that he would increase her pains and labor,
and that she'd be in great travail and that she
would put enmity or he would put enmity between her
seed and thy seed talking to the serpent. So it
says it right there, the woman's going to have a seed,
the serpent's going to have a seed, and that he
is going to put enmity between those two. And then
so I was kind of real and I was like,
oh my god, she's blowing my whole worldview here. And
then she says, now, let's look at the names. She said, uh,
the first one that come out, she says, was named Cain.
She said, when you go into the Hebrew etymology of that,
she said, that beans acquired. She said, what loving mother
names their child acquired? She said, you know, any parents
that's listening knows that this is a very important thing.
That you have probably a list of fifty names that
you're going through and debating on with your with your
significant other before you finally choose one. It's an important thing.
It chose with intention. And she said, so then you
go to Abel. Abel was the second twin. She said,
His name in Hebrew means breath. She said, why did
they name him breath? She said, because Adam was created
and given the breath of life. From God. So Abel
was in the similitude of his father Adam. Cain was
not of Adam.
Speaker 2: Well, that's why he was acquired.
Speaker 1: Yes, he was adopted. And it makes sense because you
see just you know, when they get kicked out of
the paradise, what happens. You know, Abel or Kine is
the one with all the evil, wicked thoughts, and he
is at enmity, at war with his brother the seed
of the woman, and ultimately kills his brother.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so so is Cain. Was Cain acquired from
between Eve and the snake? Is that what that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I believe that what happened there when she partook of
the nakash it was a sexual thing. Yeah, and she
became pregnant, and then she went and had sex with
her husband, showing him what she had just learned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look what I just learned. Yeah, look what I'm right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and germinated the second seed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's interesting. That would definitely blow somebody's mind.
That's falling the narrative of the whole apple. You know,
I made a sin because I look just so weird.
I have a standing here. I don't read the Bible much,
you know, and I'm not against it, I just don't.
I just don't. I just don't read it. But I've
always you know, went from my foundation of the stories.
I always thought like, why would you get kicked out
of the garden for eating an apple? You know? And
then why was it that God per se forbidden this apple?
It's fruit, it's food, Like there had to be something more,
which made me think like there was an actual story.
And then whoever rewrote the Bible and things like that
just wrote it into a narrative that excluded the actual
information for whatever reason. You know, do you think the Bible?
Do you think God did everything all the stories are
in the Bible, or do you think the Bible is
like a remix of a bunch of stories put into
one book. Your thoughts.
Speaker 1: It's hard telling. But I know a lot of Christians
they want they take the viewpoint that, you know, the
Bible is the divine inspired word of God. It's never
been changed, and it's been preserved and perfect and all this,
and I upset some people. You know, I'm a Christian,
you know what I mean. I'll read my Bible. I
believe in Jesus Christ all this stuff, But my viewpoints
my opinion are more what's the word honest, because me,
I'm a skeptic. You know, I might as well be
from Missouri, which I'm not, you know, because that's to
show me state, you know, that's how I am. It's like,
show me the proof, Show me the evidence, and I'll
follow it to and see where it leads. But for
us to say that this thing was in its own
little box, uninfluenced by the people around them and the
cultures around them, I think is pretty naive. Yeah, and
we see that's why we see so many similarities. You know,
these were people I believe do I believe the Bible
is the divine inspired word of God. I do. But
God chose humanity as to conduit to write these stories
down and to do these things. And mankind is proven
time and time again. We change things, we screw things up,
we throw in our own theology and what we think
is right, and that mud is the water sometimes And
I tell people a lot of the stuff that I
look at it has nothing to do with your faith
or your salvation. So all the subjects I like looking into,
it's just extra, you know, because I'm a curious person.
And I tell people, Yeah, there's some ambiguous stuff in
the Bible, and there's some stuff makes me scratch my
head and makes me think there was some alterations and
stuff done. But I will say this, I think the
main thread line, the main story, the backbone of it,
has been preserved and left attact by God. And what
I mean by that is the overall arching story of creation,
the fall, redemption through Christ, and returning back to the
Father in a Garden of edenstyle atmosphere. That to me,
that's the overall arching story of the Bible, and that's
been laid out and preserved. That some of this stuff
is it's confusing. It can lead you down rabbit trails
and leave you scratching you head sometimes. One thing that
to me, in my opinion, is so very simple is
the story of Christ, salvation, redemption and forgiveness and all that.
Because I think that that was made so simple that
a child could understand it, and I think there was
some intentionality there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, And I respect that, And you know,
like I agree that even though I don't follow it
and organize religion anymore, I respect the fact that people
at least believe in something greater than themselves and the
most baseline. You know, I don't care if it's one
god or if it's twelve gods or one hundred gods.
But as long as you believe that there's something greater
than you. You know, that's the part that I like.
Now when I get interested, is why do you believe
in this? Why do you believe in that? Like now,
I want to explore what caught your attention, And that's
what I like. That's what I like, and I respect
about religions in that aspect, not so so much the
rules that go with it.
Speaker 1: Exactly. If you don't do this, organize religion. Yeah, it's
been the hugest stigma for people to coming to Christianity
and running people away. Yeah, but once again that that's
humanity screwing things up like we naturally do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, because the whole you have to do this.
If you don't follow these rules, you're going to hell.
If you don't follow these rules, we're going to kill you.
If you don't follow these rules, you're gonna be kicked
out and you're gonna be alone. It's like, wow, what
you know? And that part, there's so many people that
are okay with that, like they're compliant. They're like, yeah, yeah,
that's that's just the way it is. But why how.
Speaker 1: They were raised you know, just like raised me. Yeah,
that's what they were told from the day they were little. Yeah,
that's what their pastor and their aunt and uncle and
everybody around them told them. This is how it is,
and so that's what they believe what it is. They've
not they've not actually ventured out of that squared infance
of the pasture. It's like they're that sheep in that
little square box. And yeah they're protected, they're fed their water,
but man, they ain't living. They're surviving. You need to
get out of that fence and go off on your
hero's journey, man, and form your relationship with the creator.
That's what you want you to do.
Speaker 2: And you, you, like many other guests, but you, in
this case, are a great example. You just flat out said,
I still read my Bible, I still believe in Jesus
Christ and all the teachings, but I you know, I'm
still curious. And that's okay. That is okay. And I
hope if there's any listeners on my channel or if
Dog shares it on his and things like that, like
just hear us out on that. My goal. I won't
speak on behalf of dog, but my goal, my intention
of this podcast is I have a belief dog that
are understanding I should say that we are more than
just the meat suit. Right. There's a lot of people
that are believe that they are humans trying to have
a spiritual experience, and I believe this the other way around.
We are spiritual beings having a human experience. I believe
when we were something else before we became mortal, and
then this body is temporary, you know, it's not eternal.
So to tell me that we are our existence is
just from the time that we go to the time
we just lose our last breath. I don't accept that,
you know, so we were something. So not to get
to the off to off on track on that, but Doc.
Speaker 1: Well just one point though, I love that, and I
just want to add to your thought. There there was
a guy that I can't remember his name now because
I watched so much videos and read so much. Now
everything kind of blurs in together. So if whoever said
this said it, and I don't remember your name, I apologize.
But he was talking about the same thing you were
talking about. But he said you know, basically you are
the ghost in the machine. And he said, you know,
you drive a car back and forth to word. He said,
are you the car or is the car a tool
that you use and get into? He said, you get
into the car, you crash that car and totle it,
but you can get out and walk out.
Speaker 2: He said.
Speaker 1: Your soul is no different. He said, your soul operates
this this meat suit. And he said, and you got
to think about a parent with a car. He said,
do you get your sixteen year old boy that you know,
six hundred horsepower Mustang for his first car. No, it's
going to kill him. You know, he's going to wreck
and screw that first car real bad. So you get
him the starter car. And then once they show they're
responsible and they and they handle that car well, then
they get the upgrade to the Mustang or the next thing.
Speaker 2: He said.
Speaker 1: So, he said, I believe that your heavenly father, he says,
no different. He said, you get the crappy starter car
to see what you're going to do with it, and
then once you wreck this car, you step right out
and you go to your next one.
Speaker 2: I love that. I love it. Yeah, dog, that leads me. Actually,
I want to clarify something with you. Do you I
mentioned about religion and spirituality. Do you consider yourself religious
or spiritual? Are those two one in the same.
Speaker 1: No, they're definitely not the same. Religious. In my opinion,
my viewpoint religion is to do not do this, do
not do that. When the Saints go marching in. You
got to have your suit and tie when you walk
in the door, take your hat off, and you know,
and all this legality stuff, phariseeic stuff. And that's that's
who Jesus combated the most. If you read your New Testament,
I don't see how people miss this, but it's like
he was a hippie. I mean, he was a rebel.
He came in and here was all imagine in modern day,
you know, your Southern Baptist with your suit and tie
and they're all, you know, marching into their pew, single file,
and you know, nobody speaks out of turn, you know,
and all that kind of stuff. That was the Pharisees
of Jesus's day. And he rolls up and he's like, nah,
he's flipping tables. Gastized them, call him a pit of vipers.
And so he was anti establishment. He was anti religion.
He came to break that mold and set people on
a path to relationship with the Father and get away
from the legalities of religion. In my opinion, that's how
I read it. So, you know, I think my perception,
the spiritual part of it, I would just translate that
to a relationship, you know, personal relationship. I mean, they're
the same thing. I guess it's just tomato tomato what
I would call it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I appreciate you sharing that. I'm always curious about,
you know, how people view those two terms. You know.
It's like another term that I'd like to, you know,
get people to think about, is the term reincarnation and incarnation.
I you know, some people were like incarnation, I never
heard that. I've heard of reincarnation. Well, we're talking about
a scripture and everything. Have you heard those two terms?
And what the difference are do you or do you
only know one of them more than the other. I'm
just curious.
Speaker 1: I just I mean, I know, like when they talk
about you know, Christ, you know, he was you know,
God incarnate, so God in the flesh. Okay, So I
would assume maybe that's just uh, the first inception versus
the second. Yeah, you're close.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you. I think you aren't. There's my
understanding of it is reincarnation is when you come back
into the into in this case, the same body, which
in this case, that's what Jesus did in the in
the in the story, right, he reincarnated, you know, he
died and they reincarnated back into his body and then
he went back up or something of that. Where incarnate
or incarnation is when you is when if let's say
you transfer your consciousness into my body, you incarnate yourself
into a different body. That's incarnating. Reincarnating means that you
caught your consciousness or whatever it is that you are,
your soul leaves your body and reincarnates back into your
into the same vessel. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, see what you're saying.
Speaker 2: So because a lot of as I told you offline,
I read a lot of Egyptian I'm in that realm
and eary thing, and a lot of the Egyptian texts.
Atlanteans Lumerians, Sumerians like deities. They would have this place
called the Halls of a Mente, which is underneath the
Pyramid of Giza, in one of their chambers and they
had these what some would call like a cryogenic's chambers,
if you will, but it's basically where they would take
their bodies in there and they would while the bodies
are being healed or rejuvenated, they would incarnate their consciousness
into another body, you know, and then live continue to
live now all of their all of their people that
are all of other followers and things like that. They
would know that that's you know, their boss. But this
is why a lot of these in the Sumerians kings list,
this is why there's a lot of these rulers who
lived for thousands of years, thirty six thousand years, ruling
you know, for one area for one lifetime, I guess,
And a lot of ancient stories would talk about these
deities extending their lives in that fashion and then walk
and then walking among men but not being one of them,
which also sounds something like some kind of scripture crarent
me from wrong that somewhere in the Bible, I know
it says something like that where Jesus kind of said
something along those lines that he was walking among men
but not like them, or something like that. I could
be wrong, maybe I missed.
Speaker 1: See in this world, but not of this world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that sounds similar to Yeah, that sounds similar
to so interesting thing, what's doc What is your I
think I read somewhere was I was kind of reading
your bio that you were really hung down into the
whole church and Bible. And then you left and then
you came back, did you? So when you left? What
does that? I mean? Like you just said, I'm atheist
type deal, I'm taking a break with No.
Speaker 1: It was just I mean, I never stopped believing that
there was a God. It was just I went to
the point where, hey, I'm young, There's plenty of time
for me to do what I need to do, so
I'm going to be doing me right now. So I
just went to I quit going to church, and I
just started partying really hard and running around with their
own crowds in and out of jail and that kind
of thing. And it wasn't so early to mid twenties
that I started distancing myself from the drugs and all
the wild party atmosphere and stuff like that, and started
to inching back into the church. And I got back
in church and started reading the Bible again and got
really into this stuff. And then, like I said, around
twenty twelve. That's when I started find then all this
other quote unquote weird stuff in the Bible, and then
that really fascinated, being kind of like your experience. Once
I started talking to like my pastors and some of
the people that I went to church with and was
friends with about this stuff, they were the paradigm busters
have two effects. They either have fight or flight. And
there's a few people that could have their paradigm busted
and picked the pieces back up and reassemble it and
keep going. But most people it's like, no, that's too
much work. That they will fight you to keep from
you busting their paradigm, or just walk away from you
and excludes you and fly away. And I was experiencing that.
Everybody I was talking to about, you know, the giants
and all the stuff in the Bible that was quote
unquote weird, they were just you know, telling me that
I was looking into dark things, or you're you're looking
in that book Enoch's that's of the Devil. You should
burn that, not read it.
Speaker 2: And why do they do that? Why is it when
you look outside the narrative, it's always demonic. Everything's demonic, demonic, demonic,
thaw evil. Why I don't understand that? Can you clarify
why people go straight to that?
Speaker 1: Honestly, I think it's just And don't get me wrong,
some of it is. Some of it is, but not
all of it. And that's the thing I think a
lot of Christians like to do. They like to throw
this huge blanket over everything that if it's not in
our sixty six book it's of the devil, don't read it.
And I'm totally against that. But once again, I think
it's just a victim of their upbringing because a lot
of people, it's like you are. Most people are born
with their religion. It's given to them, huh, it because
their identity. And there's very few people in this world
that pick their religion. Yeah, but I can tell you
right now, Christianity was given to me at birth. It
was a sign to me and I marched it, but
I walked away and self examined it and then I
chose it. Now, some people never have that. Some people
never have that, And that's what I try to tell people.
That's why I love doing my show, and I love
having conversations with people like you, brother and exchanging these
puzzle pieces because every single time that I do, I
stack another puzzle piece in my evidence file. And all
it's doing is creating a firm foundation for me to
stand on, and it's solidifying my faith and drawing me closer.
I've only found things that strengthen my faith by looking
through some of these things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. Thank you for sharing that. You're
so right. I didn't think about it until you actually
verbalized it. That there's so many people that are born
into a religion, but like you, you were able to
just walk out, take a look and say, Okay, yeah,
it's for me. Other people you don't have that choice.
Speaker 1: You don't have They do that just they feel in prison,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay that Yeah, you're you're right, but it's that
it's it's that fear state of mindset which takes away
that choice from them. And you're right, everyone has a choice.
Everyone has a choice. If you got to get to
know me more, you will realize that I'm I'm all
about the power of the We talk about everything's outside
of us, you know, out into the into the universe,
put it out there and stuff. But my message is
about the power of the U inverse. There's a universe
inside of yourself, and you're your And when I say
this next part, some people kind of cringe a little bit.
But you're a god, not with the capo G, not
the creative all might, but with a with a small G.
Your your spirit, your soul is a powerful peace fragment
if you will, of the greater One and everything. And
that's what I focus on. If you're aware, that's a
it's a thing.
Speaker 1: But most people miss it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it says in the beginning Elohim God or God's
with an s according you know how you read it.
But I think I think it's plural. There is in
the beginning the gods created the heavens and the earth.
But the God, in my opinion, you know, Yahweh says
let us make man in our image. And a lot
of Christians want to say, that's a trinity. He's talking
to the trinity. I'm like, so what, he's an egotistical
maniac that talks to yourself and the third person. Well, self,
let's make some more selves like ourselves. What do you think, self? Yes,
now you down, self, Okay, let's do that. Usselves are going.
Speaker 2: To do that. I love that.
Speaker 1: I love that was the divine counsel. And when it
created man was it say? It was a lifeless body
meets suit, until when he breath of life into him,
he gave a peace of himself to us. So we
are all droplets of water from the ocean of the
oneness of God. And what does every river do? Every
river flows back to source. I love that's what we're
trying to do.
Speaker 2: Ship. I love that. Yeah, yeah, dude, I love that.
It's like taking a cup at the ocean and then
you're like, you know, you're that You're that piece of
water in the cup? Are you? Are you just that
cup of water? Are you still part of the whole
entire thing? It's still part of it? You know. I'm
just glad. Maybe I just haven't had a guess yet.
That's that's you know, reads the Bible like you instilling
it to even say or agree what I just said,
because I may not say exactly the way you say,
and vice versa. But we we agree that the concept
is that common common thread, the common thread. That's that's all.
That's all we care about. We ask all we care about,
and having you know, like like like a star trek explorer,
you know, I'm not out there exploring in the cosmos,
but through podcasting, you and I are exploring through conversation. Oh,
we're we're meeting new life and people and cultures, you know,
and their experiences and how they do things, because we're
all having this experience, you know. And the confusion is,
but why are we having such a different experience if
we're all doing the same thing, you know, we're supposed
to be. Let me let me ask you this, let
me poke at something, and with all respect, we're just
having a conversation here regarding Jesus. I don't know if
there's a confusion, but the name Yeshua, and then there's
Jesus in the Bible and they're there and then person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, transliteration issues there, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Is that? What talk to me about that? Why why
is it that some people strictly just call them Jesus
and some people like, no, it's Yesua if they're the
same person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's the thing with me, And like, like
I said, I'm just a good old boy, and I
try to simplify things so I can understand them, you know.
And with linguistics, the people that have that opinion, they
get stuck in this little narrow mindset and they don't
have the expertise and the wide vision of linguistics and
how that works. And I'm not saying I do, but
I have a lot of friends that with the d
rs in front of their names and the PhDs in
front of their names, that I speak to on a
weekly basis. That breaks stuff down for me, so I
can understand. But yeah, I mean, it's all comes down
to transliteration. Yes, the Jewish people, and just for those
that want to stick to that strict by the name people,
you know, you're not Jewish, so you don't need to
speak Jewish. So yeah, there is no J sound in
the Hebrew language, so Jay's turned into wise Jesus. You know,
yes you is basically the equivalent to our English you know, Joshua,
yes you. And when it went into the English language,
you know, they picked up the J sound because that's
how we say that, say it and say thing with
people like in Norway. I got a friend I recently made.
I say his name Jacob, but he says his name
he acup with a why I know Jay?
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: No, It's like, you know, and if you are having
this fight with somebody, you know, Oh no, you got
to say it this way, You got to say it
that way. Well, here's the thing, people, if you believe
in a creator God that created you, he created your
languages that you speak to. If he's all knowing and
created everything, he's not going to not know when you're
trying to communicate with him, no matter what you call him.
And I use this example my grandmother, God rest her soul.
She got older, she kept messing my name up. I
know that woman loved me, I know who she knew
who I was, but she's just getting older. But sometimes
she would call me Phil, and that was her youngest son.
So she'd look look right at me and say Phil.
Would I ignore her? No, I knew who she is
talking to. So I turned around and said, yes, ma'ama,
Well I'm sorry, I know who he is talking to.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You think your heavenly father is going to be so
freaking petty that you mispronounced his name. He's not going
to respond to you. That's not a loving father.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's a great point. That's a valid and
great great point.
Speaker 1: That pharisee legalistic religion stuff that Jesus came to destroy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, I mean he knows, Yeah, he
knows if you're talking to him. You know, my my
parents raised me again in the foundation of church, and
to this day they don't go to church. I think
they stopped going to church year decades ago, but they
still pray. They still pray, They still you know, they're like,
look on the side of my bed, I talked to Jesus,
I don't need to go into the I don't need
to do the whole ritual. I think that's kind of
what to me religion, and it's a ritual. I have
to do this, I have to do that, I have
to wear this. That's a riginal you know, like when
God first gave like how you said, gave breath. He
didn't say, and then you got to do all these things.
You know, He just gave you life. He just said
he you know.
Speaker 1: The fruit will multiply. That's all he told him.
Speaker 2: That's it. That's it. Have a good time, enjoy the experience,
have a nice ride, you know. Doc. Let me ask
you a random question here, what what do you think
we are? Where do you think we where do you
think we come from? If you and I agree that
the meats is temporary, what are you in your thoughts.
Speaker 1: Oh, honestly, the way I see it is we are
you know, essentially water droplets from the ocean of God
were pieces of God. So you know, even in the
Old Testament Bible, it said that Adam was a but
neha Elohem, a son of God, and that was a
divine name. Anytime that that phrase was used, it was
talking about divine beings. Yeah, yeah, but they fail from
Eden and got I think we got That's how we
got these meat suits. Yeah, and so our ultimate destiny
is to get back to the garden of Eden the
way it was originally intended.
Speaker 2: Now that you mentioned that, And this is why we're
having this conversation because we agree with with with a
lot of things, but there's always different perspectives. So as
I as I study the Egyptian culture, they you know,
there's the stories of the Ananaki and things like that.
I don't know she heard those terms, but they mentioned
that the Eden supposedly was in a location called Adams
Calendar in Africa, and people can google this or maybe
thuring the video. I'll just put up a photo of
it and stuff. But Adam's Calendar in our historical mainstream
history is the first gold mine, the first recorded actual
gold mine. And there's still remnants of this compound in
a circle and everything this and it was a compound
like h and where the garden was there and people
were mining and a lot of the children from Adam
and Eve, according to these these Egyptian stories, were in
that compound and when they were left and when they
were yeah, what go When they were from the garden,
they left that compound and everything out there was humanity
and other things. So it's just giants and Elohim you
mentioned there was also it's also a plural translation. So
do you believe that there were more than one god
at one point and then we turned into monetheism?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean if you look at the like from
the Christian or the Jewish perspective, they everybody wants to say, oh,
well they're monotheists. No, I mean in an actuality they are.
They had many gods, but they occasionally turned monotheistic, but
then they would go back to the many gods. They
can't see saw back and forth. And I think you
know when it talks about the elohem in Genesis that
was the divine council, they are, you know, like you
had mentioned lower case g gods, but that I take
the opinion that they were created beings. Yes, so God
doesn't need these other helpers. But it's kind of like
he wanted a family. He wanted to be just and
share the rule and create a family and created these
elohem and then they started working together to create, you know,
the universe and earth, and that's when they said, let
us make man in our image. But according to Genesis six,
it says that in the Book of Enoch, it says
that these elohem that they were the watchers. They watched
over humanity and made sure that they got everything they
needed and was on course and doing what they needed
to do. They were like the big brother. And that's
how I look at it. The angelic race is our
elder brother. We are the younger brother. And that's a
theme you see throughout the Bible. That's that red common
theme thread through the Bible and through the stories. And
they looked upon the women and seeing bus their little
brothers partaking in sex and marriage and offspring, and they
couldn't do that, and they wanted that. So it says
that they rebelled against heaven, that they went down and
took wives amongst the women who they chose and bred
with them and delivered the Nephelum, the mighty men of old,
the giants and these demigods from the Greek mythologies and stuff.
And that's how that all got started. So the way
I look at is when we hear about the Anonaki
and the Samarian kings and all this stuff. These are
the god kings that came down and rebelled and that,
and God let them have a season. But it says
that it got so wicked that they were sinning against
the birds and beasts of the air. So whether that
was sexual or DNA manipulation. And then it says that
their hearts turned evil, and wicked was on their their
hearts and minds continually, and that the fallen angels gave
them forbidden knowledge and the seven sacred sciences, and they
perverted them and used them for evil game, and that
the gene pool had become so corrupted that Noah was
the only to men in Hebrew righteous. But and what
that word, that word is always associated with the sacrificial system.
So the lambs that were that loud blemish, and all
these sacrificial animals and birds have they always said that
they were to mem it means they were pure in
their blood. So that's what it says about Noah. Says Noah,
it was the only righteous one left in our English,
but when you go to Hebrew, it says he was
the only to men one left. He was the only
bloodline on earth that was not corrupted by these lower
kseg god fallen.
Speaker 2: Angels, which is crazy, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so to preserve God's perfect creation, he brought
the floods and drowned the Nephelum and basically hit the
reset button. But according to the legends of the Lord,
he didn't purposefully like try to kill them all, because
I mean, I'm of the opinion that God doesn't fail.
So a lot of people want to say, well, if
some giants survived, then God failed, Well, no, not if
it wasn't his intention. If his intention was just the
level of playing fields that his creation would have a
fighting chance, that makes a lot more sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. If the creator God
intends to do something, he's going to do it. If
you have the ability to create all of existence, then
how hard is it to wipe out what you created.
It's like taking your paper and just put it into
a ball and starting over. How many I know the
Bible depicts that the earth's been destroyed, like I don't know,
three or four times or more. I think it's been
a lot more on that. I think it's been like
dozens of times, you know, just that our history tells us,
you know, a certain amount. But I think it's been
destroyed numerous times for whatever reasons. So it's like I
would ask this, So let's say, let's say it was
destroyed a dozen times? Like did God just mess up
a dozen times? Did he lose control of his creations
so many times? Like? Yeah, why would you know?
Speaker 1: See, I think it's like a thought project kind of.
It's like because when I read that, you know, said
that God, you know, was the the ruler and overseer
of heaven and earth, and then when he created us,
it's kind of like we were created as like the
game of Thrones. You had all those lords, right well,
the lords owned land and looked over certain cities and peoples.
That's what I think that talks about. When we get
into image bearing, you know said he made us in
his image. I don't think that's so much a physical
thing as it is He is the king and priest
of creation, and we are his lords. He gave us
dominion of earth to rule earth as he rules heaven.
And that's why you have all those prayers on earth
as it is in heaven, because we are supposed to
rule earth as God rules heaven. So when people see us,
they're supposed to see the Creator. And so when we're
being gluttons and greedy, not loving our fellow man and
helping our struggling people and being good lords of what
He's entrusted us with, then the world becomes a darker place.
And so in my opinion, it all comes to image bearing.
So he done this, and he's a man, he's a
god of his word. So he gave Adam dominion. He
gave mankind to meaning of earth. So now he has
to step back. It's still his, but it's under the
rule and subjugation of us, and so he has to
sit back and let us do what we choose and
see fit. But then these angelic hostis watchers started inserting
themselves into the game. So then every once in a
while he's like the referee. He comes out on the
court and throws a flag your penalty on the field.
You got to go into the time out box for
a thousand years.
Speaker 2: Bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that. I love I
love that, I like I like how you also touch
based on the create created in his image. Because to
that point, in Egyptian texts, they talk about that there
were multiple deities or fake gods in Mesopotamia, and their
head god, the main boss, was a knew and because
all these guys were fighting against each other for resources,
which is us, human and territory, he split them all
up through Mesopotamia. He said, you take this area, you
take this area, and so on and so forth. Then
the humans that they had or possessed were created in
their image, in each one each each one of these
gods different images. So that way, if let's say, like
cows and herds, if one got out, you will know
that one belongs to that god because everybody is supposed
to look like that person. So it's like, I hear
what you're saying, because that's how I learned it too.
You know, we're in the image of God and blah
blah blah, and I took it also. You know to
the tea, oh we look like him because maybe we
have two arms, two legs and blah blah blah. Then
I hear then I read esoteric, which predates the Bible
thousands of years on stones and stuff. But thousands of
years they're telling these stories. So I'm like chicken or
the egg. You know, I'm like you know.
Speaker 1: And with me, I want to tell you this because
this for you to see it my in my vision,
because I've heard I've heard that a lot, and and
it does. It sounds concrete, I mean honestly, And I
think this is where a lot of Christians, in my opinion,
fall short because they just have their faith. It's blind faith. Well,
I can't tell you why I believe what I believe,
or I can't show you no evidence to prove what
I believe. I just believe it. Yeah, But I'm the time.
I'm the show me state guy.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I can show you all kinds of stuff too to
back up the stuff that I believe. Whether you know,
whether I can get you to could you know to
see it my way? That's a different story, right. But
you even have what you were talking about in those
ancient texts in the Bible, and yes, and a lot
of non believers that are combative against Christians will use
that and they'll say, well, you know, this text is
thousands of years older than yours, so therefore this one's
the And I'm like, well, and I tell those people,
I'm like, Okay, I can see what you're saying. I
can see your point of view, but now see it
this way. Tell me the first of anything that was
the best, the first that's the case is yeah, the
first of anything is never the best.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: If that's the case, everybody driving around four Maltese and
according to our Bible, was it say that shortly after Genesis,
the fallen angels came down and rebelled against God, and
they were cast out of heaven and they ruled over
the nations. So I tell people, of course you're going
to get the fallen angel version first, because they were
here first, they rebelled first.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there was something here but before us absolutely, Yeah,
for sure.
Speaker 1: And it goes along with the timeline of the Bible.
And even with you were saying how they divided the
people's up, A lot of people missed that. Yeah, but
that is the tower of Bibel.
Speaker 2: Tower of Bibel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you go to Deuteronomy thirty two, that's a
retelling of that story, and a lot of people don't.
They skipped through denteronomy because it's a lot of laws
and genealogies and it's boring. But when you go to
the verse thirty two eight, it says that not only
was the tongues divided, it says the peoples was divided
amongst the sons of God, the Benaha Elohim.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: So, so they were chasing after these these these lower
case g gods that rebeled and come to earth, and
they were giving out all this sacred knowledge and all
this technology and doing all this signs and wonders. They
were worshiping them like god'sh And so God said, okay,
you keep you want to worship these guys you wanted
to rule over you. I'm going to let them. I'm
going to let them, but you're not going to like it.
And then right after that events where he establishes his people,
and that's where he calls out Abraham. But he tells Abraham,
you know, because he said, Jacob, Israel is my allotted portion.
And then he calls out Abraham, but he says, all
nations shall be blessed to your name because you've talked
about the preservation of that pure bloodline to where the
Messiah was going to come conquer those lowercase g gods
and take back the nations. So I mean, it's it's
all in that narrative if you just know where to look.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting. See I that's that's what I enjoyed,
because we all read different things, we all understand different things,
but there is that there's that common thread you know always,
and it's it's just fascinating. It's I'm what you just
said just now. I didn't. I didn't. I wasn't aware
of some of that, but I was like, okay, okay,
oh yeah, yeah, I see, I see what I see.
What's what? I still don't know what to believe, you know,
I still have my own understanding and everything. But I
love I love hearing newer, new perspective because it's it's
it's it's fascinating. Let me okay, So here's what I
normally do. I like to ask all my guests the
same questions. You know, there's no right or wrong, it's
just just your just your your response. If I want
to ask you something before asking these questions, Okay, what
do you think is consciousness. And I know that's randoms. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think consciousness is basically the soul sinking up to
this computer chip what we call a brain, and the
eyes of a receiver, and the world is nothing but
frequency and vibration. And when you tune in there, you're
you're you're tuning into that station boom, and uh, that's consciousness.
The soul is the experiencer of this car and that
the brain is the computer chip, the eyes of the receiver,
and the receivers tuned to certain frequencies. And I tell
people from like a Christian point of view, Yeah, demons,
lowercase g gods, all kinds of other spiritualities are all
around us. They're probably sitting here watching us talk right now, brother,
but they are on a higher or lower frequency, and
our eyes ain't tuned to that. And I think that
once we were kicked out of the garden, I think
one of those wires was and we were brought down
a couple of frequencies and we couldn't see those rams anymore.
Speaker 2: Damn doc, Doc. You you, if you guys are listening,
you guys should tune into the to the YouTube episode
and watch me my my greenness and it's from ear
to here because because to hear a strong Bible believer
to even entertain what you just said is a beautiful thing.
It is a beautiful thing to hear because it's not
it's not saying that you agree. It just says that
you are just open. Yes, have your Bible, go to church,
you know, believe in something greater. That's great, But also
stay open, don't be a sheep. That's all we're saying here.
I love that, so I appreciate you share that with
my audience. So I'm gonna go straight into I have
six quick questions. First question is, beyond all the knowledge
that you've gained and you've experienced in your research and
your podcasting and your own journey, what still leaves you
in awe or makes you question everything?
Speaker 1: Honestly, my biggest is is creation itself. Because I tell
people all the time. If I talk with to non believers,
you know, I'm like, hey, you know, I can understand
where you're at in your position. Everybody's on their own
little journey, I said, But my thing for me was
throw away all the books, throw away all the legalities,
and I could step outside and just take a look
at creation. And I know, I know that, I know that,
I know that there's something higher than me, and there's
something that created all this stuff, and it's a perfect system.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I tell people, you know, you inhale oxygen that the
trees put off, you exhale the carbon monoxide that feeds
those trees. You know, it's a reciprocal relationship. The bees
pollinate the flowers, that spread the seed of the birds.
Everything is. It's a symbiotic system, and it's a system
within a system within a system that all relies on
each other. And if one thing as we know it
on planet Earth was not here, life as we know
it would not be sustainable. So that to me shows
a divine hand of divine architect of creator. So thow
way the books, thow way the religion, all that. If
I never even knew what religion was or never even
read any kind of religious text, I could step outside
and know there's a God. So you just got to
step out on your hero's journey, do your research and
start digging and try to find him. Because in my
faith that I chose, it tells me that it's the
glory of God to conceal a thing. But it's the
glory of kings to search things out. We were built
to seek, So get to seek it.
Speaker 2: Man, love that side question. I've heard you two or
three times mentioned hero's journey, and I think I read
that somewhere in your biography. What talk to Minns said
about what's what's? What does that mean? Hero's journey?
Speaker 1: Well, honestly, that's kind of what I've coined my show.
Once I started reading all this stuff, and I read
and I don't I just don't read Christian Eese stuff either.
I'm reading esoteric books. I'm reading some of these ancient
Egyptian text I'm looking at all of it because I
like he said, yeah, I'll try to be open and
I try to find the common themes and all this
stuff and the common threads, because they're there if you
look for them. Joseph Campbell book A Hero of a
Thousand Faces. I read that book and he's not a Christian,
but I seen so many nuggets in it that I
could take away for myself and my theology. So I
kind of realized. I'm like, hey, whether we realized or not,
we are all on the hero's journey. And if you
look at all those stories, there's the archetypes and the
main storylines, Well, what happens you have a foundling. You
have a kid typically or a man, but you have
a person that is being raised by someone who is
not their parents, and they've forgotten who they are, and
there's somebody special, but they've forgotten who they are. Well,
then here comes the wise sage that steps forward and
calls them forth on their hero's journey. And sometimes they
deny it, and you know, fiddle far and around, and
sometimes they just take right off on it. But then
just like Luke sky Walker all these stories that we love,
they have this archetype and this storyline. They're a foundling,
they've forgotten how special that they are. They're called to
by a wise young sage. They go on this adventure,
they go into the unknown, they face their fears, they
face the dragon, and then they come out on the
other end as a hero. But the journey's not over.
They have to come back to humanity and share their
gifts and what they learned with humanity and save the world.
And you have that even in the most ancient of
stories of my sign back there, it's a guy with
a flame behind even somebody's holding a sign up. That's
the Plato's allegory of the cave. And in that story,
people are changing the rocks in a dark cave, and
there's this huge flame behind him, and there's people that
are puppet masters holding up these little puppets in front
of the flame, projecting the shadows on the wall. And
the people that were in there and chained, that's the
only life they ever knew was seeing the shadows on
the wall, and they thought the shadows were real, and
they would debate with each other, you know, what was
going to happen with the shadows today, or which one's
going to come out next. Well, one breaks free. It
bakes it to the surface and sees the sun for
the first time. It's blind and he he can't see. Well,
he doesn't run away, he doesn't run back in the cave.
He stays there unless his eyes adjusted and he starts
seeing everything the world for the first time, and that
he realized that his entire life was a lie who
instead of just taken off and live in his life,
he goes back to the cave and since the other
captives free and tells him about this great, beautiful world upstairs,
and this place is not real. And that the shadows
are not real and they kill him for it and
they never leave the cave. So that's what I tell people.
We have to be ready to leave the cave. And
I ask people that out time, are you ready to
leave the cave? So, whether you realize they or not,
we are all on this hero's journey. So you have
to accept the call to adventure, go into the unknown,
slay the drag and save the damsel, hoard up the treasure,
come out on the other end as a hero, and
then share that knowledge with the world and save the world.
Speaker 2: Thanks for explaining that, and I appreciate you also throwing
in the algory of the cave. I love that story.
So for those youI that are listening or watching, if
you haven't seen that story yourself, you find it on YouTube.
It's a beautiful, very some simple story, but it has
such a profound meaning behind it. So, yes, Doc, what
is the ultimate purpose of life?
Speaker 1: Ultimate purpose? Everybody's going to have a different viewpoint on this,
but to me it's I think that we were put
here not for a long time, but for a good time,
and we're supposed to enjoy this experience because you know,
if you take the Christian faith. This is your only shot,
so make the most of it. Learn to love people
as you love yourself, and care for others because we
are all of the same you know, skin color, ethnicity,
all this other stuff that's just divide tactics. Man, we
are all of the same stock. We're brothers and sisters
on this journey through life together. So we need to
try to help each other, lift each other up. At
every opportunity. We can create some offspring in a family,
teach them good moral values. That way, the preservation of
a successful, happy life continues. I think a good goal
for anybody is to just try to be a good
lord of your dominion, of what you've been given charge
of rule in the image of God, and be just
and leave the world just a fraction of a percent,
if anything, better than it was when you got here.
And if we all did that, man, this would be
a beautiful place.
Speaker 2: What is God?
Speaker 1: God is everything. He is the awe, He is the
air that you breathe, the sun on your skin, the
voice of reason when you're about to do something stupid.
You know, he is your father, he is your friend.
But I guess just overall, it's just the way I said,
he's spirit, He's everything, but in a dumb down version
that we can understand with our little pea brains. I
think father is a really good one because a good
father will create you, he'll clothe you, he will feed you,
show you right from wrong. Then he steps back, you know.
Jordan Peterson, I love it. In his book he said,
leave skateboarding children alone. You know, if you smother your
kids and wrap them in knee pads and helmets and
stereoph home, and before you ever let them get on
the skateboard and they fall off and they never get hurt,
and you're always there watching out for them and not
letting them fall and get scraped up. Man, they're they're
they're destined to fail. So a good father has to
sit back and watch them make dumb mistakes, watch them fall,
scrape their knees, break a few legs, break a few hearts,
go to jail time or two, and just be there
for them for words of wisdom and dust them off
and help them get up.
Speaker 2: What is love? Love?
Speaker 1: God is love, and love is I guess we go
to the Corinthians says love is patient, love is kind,
love is enduring. It's not self gratifying. It doesn't keep
track of wrongs. It's just acceptance and pushing for the
for the I don't know someone else other than yourself.
Speaker 2: Dog Befre, I said this next question, what's your real
name other than dog.
Speaker 1: Justin?
Speaker 2: Justin? Okay? If if you could go back to little
Justin and tell him something about your life today, something
that he may need to hear, what would you tell him?
Speaker 1: I would tell him, honestly, I would just say that,
don't spend so much time worrying about what other people
think of you. And it's good to have a good
time and have your sewing of the wild oats. But
definitely try to hit the brakes at least a decade
sooner if you can get ten years back of some
good productivity.
Speaker 2: I love that. I love that. And again there's no
right or wrong answer, just yours and Doc, you show
me this book before we start episode. Do you want
to plug that in there real quick? Oh? Yeah, thank you? Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just wrote my first book, The Epic of Esau,
The Birth Right and Seed War. You can find it
on Amazon. You get a digital copy for ten bucks
a physical copy for twenty, or you can go to
my website for twenty five I can get you a
signed copy with some stickers and bookmarks and little extra stuff. Yeah,
this book is about to Esau, one of the most
enigmatic characters in the Bible. It says that he come
out covered in hair, or he could come out red,
covered in hair from head to toe like a Harry Kloak.
So I argue, with our modern vernacular, this is what
we would call a bigfoot today, That's what. And then
his story to extra biblical books and other things that
I'd read. I found out that Esau has a fight
with Nimrod, kills the great Ken king. Nimrod steals his
supernatural garments that were from the garden of Eden. We
have giants, we have blood, liquors, and sorcerers, all kinds
of great stuff in this book. And this is not fiction.
This is all biblically and sourced heavily. So I just
went through all these old extra Biblical books and just
gathered the puzzle pieces.
Speaker 2: Man, love that beautiful book. How many pages is that?
It's pretty pretty little, a little thick book.
Speaker 1: I think it's like fifty or something.
Speaker 2: And not bad. It's a good, solid book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, two fifty five I love it.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: Fifteen chapters, yeah.
Speaker 2: Easy easy reading, easy read, folks. Yeah. And and Doc.
Speaker 1: And I write like I talk too, So I'm being
caddy and making jokes in there. I've had many people say, man,
there's lots of good stuff in there, but I'm telling you,
I've laughed my butt off reading some of this stuff.
I'm like, all right, that's good.
Speaker 2: What a beautiful read. And I'm glad that you're that
your readers were able to share that with through that
confirmation that you did it right. So yeah, folks, definitely
go check that out on Amazon. And I put I
put the reminder of this book down at the bottom
of the screen and things like that. And Doc, what's
one last thing that you piece of advice or words
of wisdom or just anything that you want to just
throw in from my audience while they're listening right now
to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get I guess I'll end this how I
usually end my shows. I tell people the difference between
the known and the undknown is the journey. So good journey, guys.
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. And Doc, it was
a pleasure, it was an honor. It's absolutely yeah. I
hope that we may have many more podcasts where we
can just have a conversation. You know.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's refreshing, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Just have a conversation. Just just just talk, man. Just
make sure you know it kind of check in on
each other. I think once I tell a lot of
my guests here and I'm telling you this that your family. Now,
I'll be on the frequency thirty sixty nine. So if
there's anything that I can do for you to support you,
I'm here for you, buddy. So just keep that in mind.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. You sign man, Yeah, me anytime.
Speaker 2: Awesome. All right, folks, And if you enjoyed this episode
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as a labor of love. So this is all free,
you know, This is just I just like to be
able to have conversations with people like Doc Brown that
just let me think and question things that I think
I already know you know. And I'm going to go
read his book. I'm gonna check it out. I want
to see what how do you pronounce this again?
Speaker 1: Is it soap?
Speaker 2: Esa? All right, guys, esau, I'm gonna put in big
texts down here so you guys can see it. And
with that said, folks, as a reminder, I love you,
I see you, I hear you, I am you. Continue
to ask questions, don't be afraid to pull back the
current and take a deeper look, always reaching beyond the frequency.