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Chumba Casino dot com, Sat plus Fasion, 50 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:07.400 the busy websy retails. 51 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:19.639 You are now listening to true Murder, the most shocking 52 00:02:19.719 --> 00:02:22.759 killers in true crime history and the authors that have 53 00:02:22.840 --> 00:02:30.120 written about them. Gasey Bundy Dahmer the Nightstalker BTK every 54 00:02:30.159 --> 00:02:33.840 week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and 55 00:02:33.919 --> 00:02:38.120 infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with Your 56 00:02:38.159 --> 00:02:54.039 host journalist and author Dan Zufanski, Good Evening. Detective Richard 57 00:02:54.080 --> 00:02:57.280 Shelby was the first Sacramento detective to make a connection 58 00:02:57.439 --> 00:03:00.479 between a series of rapes that began in can unities 59 00:03:00.479 --> 00:03:04.240 in East Sacramento. Law enforcement failed to stop him before 60 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:08.639 he transformed into a Southern California serial killer, committing some 61 00:03:08.840 --> 00:03:12.159 fifty three rapes and twelve homicides from nineteen seventy six 62 00:03:12.520 --> 00:03:17.360 to nineteen eighty six. After Detective Shelby's retirement, twenty years 63 00:03:17.360 --> 00:03:20.319 after the case had gone cold, he was contacted by 64 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:23.639 his old employer, the Sacramento Sheriff's Department. They had learned 65 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:26.840 through DNA analysis that the East area rapist and the 66 00:03:26.840 --> 00:03:30.639 original Nightstalker were the same person, and they were reopening 67 00:03:30.680 --> 00:03:34.879 the investigation. Retired West Coast Chief of Special Investigation for 68 00:03:34.919 --> 00:03:38.840 the federal government Russ Oas, contacted Shelby and asked him 69 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:42.439 to write down everything he recalled. Shelby was once again 70 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:45.879 involved in the active investigation, his notes morphing into his 71 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:51.000 instrumental book Hunting a Psychopath. The East Area Rapist Original 72 00:03:51.080 --> 00:03:56.360 Nightstalker Investigation. The Original Investigator Speaks Out, published in twenty 73 00:03:56.560 --> 00:04:01.280 and fourteen. In twenty sixteen, the FBI re entered the investigation, 74 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:06.120 utilizing advances in DNA technology, offering a fifty thousand dollars 75 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:09.199 reward and asking for the public's help in capturing the 76 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:14.039 serial killer. Joseph James DeAngelo was arrested April twenty fifth, 77 00:04:14.080 --> 00:04:18.600 twenty eighteen, after a DNA match. The book they were 78 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:24.079 featuring this evening and is Hunting for a Psychopath And 79 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:27.959 my interview is with Detective Richard Shelby. The hunt for 80 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:32.439 the psychopath is over. The Golden State Killer, East Airy Rapist, 81 00:04:32.439 --> 00:04:36.519 Original Nightstalker captured. Welcome back to the program, and thank 82 00:04:36.560 --> 00:04:38.279 you very much for a GREENUS interview. 83 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:40.879 And congratulations Detective Richard Shelby. 84 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:42.879 Oh, thank you glad to help you out. 85 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:49.000 Thank you so much. As we just spoke to you 86 00:04:49.040 --> 00:04:52.839 briefly just before we got on the air. Tell us 87 00:04:53.160 --> 00:05:00.160 about this historic moment. How where were you, who called you, 88 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:04.839 how did you hear about this? And lastly, what was 89 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:09.600 your reaction, how surprised? What did you know beforehand? Tell 90 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:10.360 us about this. 91 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:13.480 I was sitting in my little home office when I 92 00:05:13.480 --> 00:05:16.199 got a phone called Carol Daly and said they've got 93 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:19.560 him their book and him in. And my first thought 94 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:23.759 was nothing. And I thought about that, and I had 95 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:26.879 two feelings to that. What was like I just had 96 00:05:26.920 --> 00:05:30.160 a shower and wiped off four years of slime, and 97 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:33.120 the other was Okay, done over, what's the next case? 98 00:05:33.959 --> 00:05:36.600 Just move on from there excuse which I have no 99 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:37.839 intention of doing, by the way. 100 00:05:39.519 --> 00:05:47.839 Yeah, so your initial reaction was probably not as well. 101 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:51.319 It's anti climactic. It wasn't as a big a moment. 102 00:05:51.560 --> 00:05:56.079 Did you expected a different reaction, more jubilant. No. 103 00:05:56.360 --> 00:05:58.959 I thought they would get him, you know, it was 104 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:00.839 almost certain they've got to be on DNA. In fact, 105 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:04.639 I was still actively involved in running down different different 106 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:07.480 drum persons of interest. We used to call him suspects 107 00:06:07.480 --> 00:06:11.759 now politically correct, same person of interest. And I was 108 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:13.959 very glad, very glad to hear it. And I was 109 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:17.439 glad for all the people that whose lives he messed up, 110 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:19.879 not just the ones that he salted, but everybody else. 111 00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:22.319 There were people out there that he stalked, and they 112 00:06:22.360 --> 00:06:25.240 knew he was stalking them, and for whatever reason. They 113 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:28.879 were never actually attacked by him, so overall it was 114 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:31.959 just a real lighter feeling. It just felt good about it. 115 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:34.439 I didn't get jubilant like some people. I don't think 116 00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:36.120 any of the cops got that jubilant, but they were 117 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:39.360 all very, very glad to hear it. 118 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:45.920 You sorry, you say you weren't so surprised, and you 119 00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:48.519 were involved in the active investigation, so I know that 120 00:06:48.839 --> 00:06:53.759 I didn't. I wasn't aware of your how involved you were, Okay, 121 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:56.240 might tell us go ahead. 122 00:06:56.120 --> 00:06:58.360 Jumped in there. My investigation was what I was doing. 123 00:06:58.360 --> 00:07:01.120 People were contacting me or here there, and I'd get information, 124 00:07:01.879 --> 00:07:04.199 and if they looked really good, then I would go out, 125 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:05.639 and you know, I'm too open doing it. I'd go 126 00:07:05.639 --> 00:07:07.839 out and knocked on doors, talk to people, calling him up. 127 00:07:08.920 --> 00:07:12.000 I was in communication with the Sheriff's department, but I 128 00:07:12.040 --> 00:07:14.800 was not in communication with him regarding this DNA search. 129 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:17.319 That was in need to know on the basis, which 130 00:07:17.360 --> 00:07:19.600 is the way it should have been, So I didn't know. 131 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:21.639 I think about that. That was a total squa Okay, 132 00:07:21.600 --> 00:07:23.920 it was totally surprise to me that they had done it, 133 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:27.879 but not a surprise that it was gonna happen. And 134 00:07:27.920 --> 00:07:31.120 the way they did it was really pretty brilliant. Who 135 00:07:31.160 --> 00:07:34.399 was uh Paul Hols was a uh frenzy investigator as 136 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:37.800 a scientist, he was one cause the one person described 137 00:07:37.879 --> 00:07:40.199 him our good, our geek guy, he knew what to 138 00:07:40.199 --> 00:07:42.360 do about. He's the one who made the DNA profile 139 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:45.959 on the here put it all together as if I 140 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:48.879 understand correctly, He orchestrated that whole search through the DNA, 141 00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:52.839 I mean through the databases of the genealogy and they 142 00:07:52.839 --> 00:07:54.600 worked it out. And they took a months to do that, 143 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:56.959 cause they'd go through thousands of names, all kinds of 144 00:07:57.519 --> 00:08:01.120 well anybody stand any genealogy research, no knows what's going on. 145 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:03.639 And once that was done, they got up to the 146 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:06.800 current people once still alive. Then he got into the 147 00:08:06.920 --> 00:08:10.519 modern formats, the various programs, and there must be dozens 148 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:15.800 of him out there and checking tax records, etc. It's 149 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:17.839 when they sew that he'd when he when it aired 150 00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:19.959 down to him, they saw he'd been a cop at Exeter. 151 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:22.800 Was not decited to say, and then they started getting 152 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:24.759 their hopes something that just might be the guy they're 153 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:25.199 looking for. 154 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:33.039 When I sorry, go ahead, no, I just go ahead. 155 00:08:36.360 --> 00:08:40.159 How the thing is in reviewing your book Hunting a Psychopath, 156 00:08:40.480 --> 00:08:43.840 written in twenty fourteen that goes back to nineteen seventy 157 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:49.399 six and also includes the Visalia ransacker, it does very 158 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:56.039 very very interesting the very early conclusions that you made 159 00:08:56.639 --> 00:09:02.399 and obviously observations regarding military and also police as well 160 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:06.600 when you talk about the baton and the evidence. So 161 00:09:07.919 --> 00:09:11.720 take us back to nineteen seventy six and when you 162 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:14.399 first became involved and you say you weren't involved in 163 00:09:14.440 --> 00:09:18.759 the you were involved in the fifth assault, and tell 164 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:22.440 us how you worked it your way back and under 165 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:25.720 whose instructions it was to do that, How whose initiative 166 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:30.279 an impetus was this investigation, and but your procedure and 167 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:33.799 going backwards and looking at other cases for similarities. 168 00:09:34.360 --> 00:09:37.600 When I when this first case came out, first one 169 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:40.919 to me in October seventy six, it was Jane Carson, 170 00:09:40.960 --> 00:09:45.480 now Jane Sandler. I had worked a series of rapes 171 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:48.639 earlier earlier that year called the Early Bird Rapist. We 172 00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:52.080 know who he was. He left the state. We didn't 173 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:54.679 have today's technology. He would have been in jail no time. 174 00:09:55.559 --> 00:09:58.279 So when this one came out, myself Carol Daily John 175 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:02.320 here when detectives named Matterson Lewis were sent out to 176 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:06.200 the house. Home invasion, sexual assault. That's all we knew, 177 00:10:06.759 --> 00:10:08.320 and we weren't really the team. We were a team 178 00:10:08.360 --> 00:10:11.360 for that particular case, but none of the others. And 179 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:14.440 what I noticed on that was the guy. He the 180 00:10:14.519 --> 00:10:17.360 suspect knew the minute her husband was leaving for work. 181 00:10:17.919 --> 00:10:19.960 Could have been a collegionist by a doubt. He left 182 00:10:19.960 --> 00:10:22.559 like six point thirty in the morning. We used the 183 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:26.000 dog to track him, first time that had been done. 184 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:29.000 I based that one on a paddle'neil and homicide used 185 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:30.480 the dog. I thought he could do that, We could 186 00:10:30.519 --> 00:10:34.240 do that, So we got bloodhound somewhere and we followed 187 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:37.159 the guy. And the suspect left the victim's house through 188 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:40.679 the backyard open fence across the field. I think in 189 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:42.399 one of the books out there says there was this 190 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:44.639 crop going there was nothing growing there but weeds. They're 191 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:47.600 about two foot tall with fat and the guy he 192 00:10:47.600 --> 00:10:50.600 had parked his car on a curb that I went 193 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:53.720 and phrased that. The trail led to the curb, and 194 00:10:53.759 --> 00:10:56.440 directly across from that curb was two houses. That's all 195 00:10:57.000 --> 00:10:58.559 on the other side of the curve was just again 196 00:10:58.639 --> 00:11:03.720 a feel it's probably I'd huddered, fee why if that? Well, 197 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:07.279 as it turns out, in one of those houses across 198 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:09.120 the street in their car, the guy and normally took 199 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:11.320 his garbage out at eight o'clock in the morning, I 200 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:13.919 think it was that morning he took it out ten 201 00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:16.120 minutes early. He saw this green bell air should be 202 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:19.039 sitting there when he came out the regular time, the 203 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:22.480 shevy was gone. Das chuck me as some real planning, 204 00:11:23.039 --> 00:11:26.480 cause we got into it. We found out the several 205 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:30.200 houses in neighborhood, including the victims, somebody had broken into 206 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:33.039 them and taken Jolie, but left somebody else's jewel. He's 207 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:35.639 taking joy from one house to another house and drop 208 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:37.879 it off, take theirs, take it someplace else and drop it. 209 00:11:38.840 --> 00:11:41.360 In Jean's case, did he had taken her jewlie left 210 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:44.960 somebody else's too. The other people getting hang up phone calls, 211 00:11:45.080 --> 00:11:46.919 and she got, look these kind of calls. She got 212 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:48.639 one call to the guy, so I'm gonna kill your husband, 213 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:51.679 and then they stopped one week prior to the to 214 00:11:51.720 --> 00:11:55.039 the assault. So I took it upon myself cause I 215 00:11:55.039 --> 00:11:58.519 thought it it stunk like a serial killer, Assyria rape 216 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:01.279 this out there. So I started checking around with the 217 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:03.440 other detectives, said we didn't really have the system to 218 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:06.480 speak of, and I found two more reports. It sounded 219 00:12:06.679 --> 00:12:08.799 like the same guy. So I'm pretty sure in my 220 00:12:08.840 --> 00:12:11.120 own mind that that we had a an the cyrivial 221 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:14.840 rapists going And it was October fifth, October ninth, there 222 00:12:14.879 --> 00:12:17.080 was another one that I heard about it. He m 223 00:12:17.080 --> 00:12:19.000 get see the damn thing to read about the report 224 00:12:19.080 --> 00:12:21.639 or anything for a while, and then the first part 225 00:12:21.720 --> 00:12:25.320 of November, and I think, is you were fifth something 226 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:27.879 like that? We had two more, we had one or 227 00:12:27.879 --> 00:12:30.000 two third in the morning, oh about eleven o'clock at night, 228 00:12:30.519 --> 00:12:32.840 eleven o'clock at night. Everything is the same except there 229 00:12:32.879 --> 00:12:35.480 was no actual section. So so at that point I 230 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:38.480 had no doubt that we hadn't been there cerial rapists. 231 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:42.679 As I said, die with Carol Herman, cause I think, uh, 232 00:12:42.679 --> 00:12:44.440 we still bouncing around and like I said, we don't 233 00:12:44.480 --> 00:12:47.440 really attain and told him, but I thought, and they agreed. 234 00:12:47.480 --> 00:12:49.519 I went to the Lieutenant Route who was the exact 235 00:12:49.679 --> 00:12:52.919 lieutenant forre de Sectis, and told him about it, and 236 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:55.279 he had worked at cerial rapists before he had even 237 00:12:55.320 --> 00:12:57.039 I remember he just stood up, walked out and started 238 00:12:57.120 --> 00:13:00.519 making preparations. Then it went upstairs to will be called 239 00:13:00.519 --> 00:13:02.399 the fourth floor where all the big wigs hung out, 240 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:05.759 and they started I guess they they got an interest 241 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:08.279 started doing something with it. But from that point and 242 00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:09.960 then they formed the task force. But I was with 243 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:12.840 with Root. I was I was to go to the 244 00:13:12.919 --> 00:13:16.279 crime scene and go backwards. I was to find out 245 00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:20.759 what these victims had in common, if anything could lead up, 246 00:13:21.840 --> 00:13:24.720 explain how he just guy managed to pick 'em what 247 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:26.559 it was when he knew about the neighborhoods, And I 248 00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:30.960 managed to put it together that he proud these neighborhoods 249 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:33.960 pretty thoroughly. And they all had a couple of things 250 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:35.720 in common with The one thing they all had in 251 00:13:35.799 --> 00:13:39.840 common was they go to a public place like lunch rooms. 252 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:41.919 I think three of 'em were the same pizza parlor 253 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:44.360 one summer in the same month, and they were three 254 00:13:44.440 --> 00:13:49.000 consecutive victims. Uh Alpha Beta market not in here, but 255 00:13:49.080 --> 00:13:53.399 outside of this county, had three three victims with connected 256 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:55.120 with that market in some way, and that that kind 257 00:13:55.120 --> 00:13:58.639 of thing. A number of 'em had connections with the 258 00:13:59.159 --> 00:14:02.120 medical by connection, I mean they might've been to the 259 00:14:02.200 --> 00:14:05.840 hospital visiting a a a patient. They might have worked there. 260 00:14:05.879 --> 00:14:07.600 It might had a relative working there. They might just 261 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:11.200 gone down got prescription filled something. He would have put 262 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:13.919 them at the hospital where somebody could see them coming 263 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:17.159 and going. He and a number of them connected with schools, 264 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:19.919 and every one of 'em, and this end of the 265 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:23.600 state had a e Their house or house nearby was 266 00:14:23.679 --> 00:14:27.919 for sale, just rented, just sold, being remodeled, that kind 267 00:14:27.960 --> 00:14:31.000 of thing. So I mean tho those all down south 268 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:32.759 to by the way, that the most of 'em applied 269 00:14:32.840 --> 00:14:36.240 down there. And then of course we had four military bases, 270 00:14:36.279 --> 00:14:38.960 and there was indications he was military because of what 271 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:40.879 he wore and how he born stuff. But then there 272 00:14:40.919 --> 00:14:44.159 was also indications he was a cop. There was indications 273 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:48.720 that he was a in construction or a architect. You know, 274 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:52.559 just goes on for every It was nothing the point 275 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:55.279 of solid to any kind of occupation. And the guy 276 00:14:55.440 --> 00:14:58.360 knew what we were doing, and that I was convinced of. 277 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:00.600 I didn't know why we we test every cop we 278 00:15:00.679 --> 00:15:04.759 could in this county, because you can't really go outside 279 00:15:04.799 --> 00:15:07.080 the county start grabbing all the other cops and what 280 00:15:07.159 --> 00:15:09.240 are you gonna find out? Do they have the same 281 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:11.960 blood type? Then what do you do? Nothing? And there's 282 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:14.000 too many you can't fall 'em all around, and you 283 00:15:14.080 --> 00:15:16.159 gotta trust some of 'em, I guess somewhere down the line. 284 00:15:17.559 --> 00:15:19.960 So we never really had any solid idea what this 285 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:23.519 guy did for a living being a cop wasn't surprising because, 286 00:15:23.559 --> 00:15:26.480 like I said, he knew what we were doing. In 287 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:30.440 one particular uh disturbis prowler calling it was, I went. 288 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:33.000 I responded to that cause I was out that night 289 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:35.960 and the lady said, I thought you were uh guys 290 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:37.799 who were already here. I heard the police were ready ill, 291 00:15:37.879 --> 00:15:41.159 so he had a scanty. As it turns out, he 292 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:43.200 could have found his victims, like I said, but just 293 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:46.120 gone back to work, got their license plate, ran it 294 00:15:46.200 --> 00:15:48.320 through DMV, and got their address. And there you go 295 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:53.440 that all the neighborhoods had su similar markings through like 296 00:15:53.759 --> 00:15:56.399 nature areas or green belt areas. They call it main 297 00:15:56.519 --> 00:15:59.840 thorough affairs. He and he was all over the place, 298 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:03.759 and then when they gave descriptions, they were everywhere. But 299 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:06.279 most of these descriptions, in fact, all of them really 300 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:10.960 came from from people who saw suspicious persons in their neighborhood. 301 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:14.080 Suspicious generally being they didn't belong there, or they look 302 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:18.960 kind of funny or or something like that. And on 303 00:16:19.080 --> 00:16:21.399 the named back up on something else that we now know, 304 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:24.840 King Clark and the second met a homicide was doing. 305 00:16:24.879 --> 00:16:27.320 He found a UH roll of microfilms he found and 306 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:29.360 had a lot of reports from the seventies they thought 307 00:16:29.360 --> 00:16:35.039 were gone. In December nineteen seventy two, the UH there 308 00:16:35.120 --> 00:16:37.240 was a a neighbor and said somebody kept going through 309 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:40.360 their backyard and they and they were kicking open the 310 00:16:40.399 --> 00:16:42.200 gate and breaking the fence, and they went over their 311 00:16:42.279 --> 00:16:44.080 fence and to the other neighbor's yard and then there 312 00:16:44.120 --> 00:16:47.799 they beat a poodle to death. That was in seventy two. 313 00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:51.080 Then in January seventy three there was a rate of 314 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:53.080 two sisters and I I think it's the same guy 315 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:55.120 because the first thing he said to was all I 316 00:16:55.159 --> 00:16:57.600 want is your money, which is what he told all 317 00:16:57.639 --> 00:17:01.360 the other victims. And then the girls shoot. They talk 318 00:17:01.440 --> 00:17:04.119 about you know, he had a small penis, couldn't maintain 319 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:07.759 or couldn't obtain and maintain an erection, no real interest 320 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:10.640 in sex, just like this guy was. And then we 321 00:17:10.759 --> 00:17:15.559 have a series of prowlers, our burglaries, the mo the uh. 322 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:18.039 The suspect would lock the front door and the other 323 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:20.240 ways come in. He had opened two or three exits. 324 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:23.240 He could spend hours in that house and he would 325 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:26.799 take coins and piggy banks. They'd break him open and 326 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:30.359 he did take stereos and the other expensive items and 327 00:17:30.440 --> 00:17:32.759 two dollar bills. He was seen three times and described 328 00:17:32.759 --> 00:17:35.960 as a kid. But they'll stopped at the end of 329 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:39.599 March and didn't come back up again. All we had 330 00:17:39.680 --> 00:17:41.839 cat burgers in there and this this area where they 331 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:45.240 were curried in the car ranch Couldov and Carmichael and 332 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:47.480 the same exact areas with the ease day of rapist 333 00:17:47.480 --> 00:17:51.559 would start hitting in seventy six, well in nineteen seventy four, 334 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:55.440 who like say he ransackers starts and the same mo. 335 00:17:55.720 --> 00:17:59.200 There's no question about them. They're exactly the same. And 336 00:17:59.279 --> 00:18:01.720 the guy seemed on there and with the guise is 337 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:05.839 about thirty years old, kind of heavy set. When he runs, 338 00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:10.720 he lumbers, knees knocked together and then uh. He killed 339 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:16.960 Professor Snelling in September of seventy five. In December seventy five, 340 00:18:17.400 --> 00:18:21.680 par say PD detecting mcgallan confronted him right their face 341 00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:23.920 to face, shine light in his eyes and his face, 342 00:18:24.759 --> 00:18:26.680 and the guy shot at McGowan and he shot the 343 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:29.519 flashlight out of his hand. He actually hit the the 344 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:32.960 lins dead center. That blew up McGowan's face and knocked 345 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:33.319 him down. 346 00:18:34.359 --> 00:18:34.839 Grandimal. 347 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:37.400 The guy's gone. He next thing you know, he's back 348 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:42.960 down here in June doing rapes and backtracking. We found 349 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:46.319 out that he did one in November of seventy five 350 00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:51.000 and October seventy five. What they now know is I 351 00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:52.680 had just hadn't confirmed, but I was told us I 352 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:56.279 wanted to detectives. His parents lived ron Scridova, near where 353 00:18:56.279 --> 00:18:59.279 all these crimes went down. So at least I was 354 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:01.160 right on that this guy who lived in Rench Cordova 355 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:04.759 one time with all these might it looks like he 356 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:07.720 was here. I don't know where he was living when 357 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:09.920 he was here, but his parents are there. And then 358 00:19:09.960 --> 00:19:12.440 he went to buy saying all that stuff went on there. Well, 359 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:14.759 he was an Exeter cop. Then he comes back up here, 360 00:19:14.839 --> 00:19:17.000 he goes sport for Auburn, PD, which is about forty 361 00:19:17.039 --> 00:19:22.000 miles out of Sacramento, and then you get these crimes 362 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:26.960 in Cordova, and Citrus Heights and Carmichael. I learned something 363 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:29.119 from that. Everybody says that all the pearls say the 364 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:32.720 rapists won't hit near his own home. The iritibirg rapist 365 00:19:32.799 --> 00:19:35.799 hit eight times around his parents' house. This guy he 366 00:19:35.839 --> 00:19:37.920 had at least four times around his parents' house. So 367 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:39.759 that's something you know, may you to put in their 368 00:19:39.799 --> 00:19:40.319 little books. 369 00:19:43.279 --> 00:19:45.559 Yeah, that goes against the profile completely, doesn't it? 370 00:19:45.920 --> 00:19:48.920 Oh? It absolutely does. I never made that connection for 371 00:19:49.039 --> 00:19:51.119 what I didn't think hell a profile was. I don't 372 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:53.480 think when I worked that first case, I don't have 373 00:19:53.640 --> 00:19:56.480 much use for him anyway, and then the second one. 374 00:19:58.119 --> 00:20:01.559 But see, he was here in December, did his thing 375 00:20:01.720 --> 00:20:04.359 up at least through March of seventy three. He c 376 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:06.519 he could have been what they called the rancher Cordova 377 00:20:06.599 --> 00:20:09.680 cat murder. That guy was never caught. But pet he 378 00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:12.880 turns up and by say, in seventy four, seventy five. 379 00:20:13.839 --> 00:20:16.960 One other thing about this gentleman, Well, he was here 380 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:19.839 in Cordova. He killed four small dogs, Three were poodles. 381 00:20:19.920 --> 00:20:22.759 One might all four it might have been poodles. One 382 00:20:22.759 --> 00:20:24.079 of 'em I found one night when it in the 383 00:20:24.079 --> 00:20:26.279 guy's house. I I thinking back, I think it was 384 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:28.119 a terrier, but I don't know. They was beating up 385 00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:30.480 so bad and was half one of the bed and 386 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:34.599 testines were out in southern California. He hit a poodle 387 00:20:34.640 --> 00:20:37.079 in the eye. I guess the engined it pretty bad. 388 00:20:38.200 --> 00:20:41.400 And I read the various reports that, uh, somebody walking 389 00:20:41.440 --> 00:20:43.480 to a German shepherd went to a backyard when when 390 00:20:43.519 --> 00:20:47.200 the shepherd came out, he had been sliced pretty bad 391 00:20:47.240 --> 00:20:51.119 with the knife and ran and Rancha Cordova, I there 392 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:53.440 was two murders here and the majorities Brian and Katie 393 00:20:53.480 --> 00:20:57.279 Majory and oh they they stumbled into somebody. It looked 394 00:20:57.279 --> 00:21:00.960 like they stumbled in the study rapist that they're they're 395 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:02.880 not walking their dog in the evening and their dog 396 00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:05.839 ran and they went in the backyard to get it 397 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:07.960 and gone through a broken down fence and it was 398 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:10.440 a pool. They found a plu was filled into the 399 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:14.319 to a swinging punt. Their swinging pool. And then this 400 00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:17.039 guy apparently realized he'd been seen. He came out and 401 00:21:17.160 --> 00:21:19.640