WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:02.919 This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI 2 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:05.839 AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand 3 00:00:05.919 --> 00:00:06.240 on the. 4 00:00:06.200 --> 00:00:07.559 iHeartRadio app. 5 00:00:09.720 --> 00:00:12.679 Perfect Blake Snell said it best when he was coming up, 6 00:00:12.839 --> 00:00:14.400 it's his bobblehead night. 7 00:00:14.560 --> 00:00:15.599 Everyone knew. 8 00:00:16.199 --> 00:00:20.239 We knew, it's just what he does with that walk off, 9 00:00:20.440 --> 00:00:23.359 home run, ugly start to the game. Took eight innings 10 00:00:23.399 --> 00:00:25.640 for the Daughters to claw their way back, and what 11 00:00:25.800 --> 00:00:30.519 an exclamation point there. We also knew that today was 12 00:00:30.600 --> 00:00:33.280 going to be a mess on Wall Street right, Let's 13 00:00:33.359 --> 00:00:37.799 make no no, let's waste no time getting into it. 14 00:00:38.119 --> 00:00:42.039 Financial markets around the world are a mess. Taking a 15 00:00:42.079 --> 00:00:45.719 look at Wall Street down fourteen hundred points. We saw 16 00:00:45.759 --> 00:00:50.439 this coming as Liberation Day hit yesterday. Let's get to 17 00:00:51.759 --> 00:00:54.439 Sawhawk Manuelian. He is a managing director of the head 18 00:00:54.479 --> 00:00:58.920 of Equity Trading at web Bush Securities there in Pasadena. Sawhawk, 19 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:01.439 thanks for joining us as warning to make sense of 20 00:01:01.640 --> 00:01:05.319 all of this. Like I said, we knew, we saw 21 00:01:05.319 --> 00:01:07.760 the futures markets yesterday. We knew what was going to 22 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:12.079 happen with the opening bell today, the uncertainty playing out. 23 00:01:12.120 --> 00:01:14.879 I guess the first question is how long do you 24 00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:16.280 anticipate this to last. 25 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:20.840 Thank you for having me on my pleasure, and how 26 00:01:20.879 --> 00:01:23.920 long do we anticipate That's a great question. I don't 27 00:01:23.920 --> 00:01:26.560 think anybody has a good answer to that. So we're 28 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:30.239 kind of seeing what happens next. But for the time being, 29 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:32.560 we have to kind of go into this like this 30 00:01:32.680 --> 00:01:35.599 is here to stay until something changes. Now, we don't 31 00:01:35.640 --> 00:01:37.680 necessarily think that this will be here to stay, and 32 00:01:37.719 --> 00:01:41.120 we think that a lot of this will be negotiations 33 00:01:41.159 --> 00:01:43.760 in the coming I don't know weeks or months, but 34 00:01:44.200 --> 00:01:46.799 hopefully some of these numbers will come down from what 35 00:01:46.840 --> 00:01:49.879 they were just set at last night from the administration. 36 00:01:50.680 --> 00:01:54.079 So all imports to the US will be subject to 37 00:01:54.120 --> 00:02:00.120 at least a ten percent tariff, effective on the fifth Saturday. 38 00:02:00.879 --> 00:02:04.840 But the real news the incremental, huge incremental tariffs imposed 39 00:02:04.840 --> 00:02:07.959 on some of our biggest trading partners. You numbers higher 40 00:02:07.959 --> 00:02:11.319 than expected going into effect next week. We're looking at 41 00:02:11.319 --> 00:02:15.599 thirty four percent on China. China hit particularly hard by 42 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:19.000 the new tariffs. What are we going to be spending 43 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:19.719 more for? 44 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:25.599 I think the easy answer to that would be probably 45 00:02:26.120 --> 00:02:31.199 most everything. China was hit particularly hard, Europe was hit 46 00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:38.520 particularly hard, Taiwan Vietnam all hit very hard, and so realistically, 47 00:02:38.680 --> 00:02:44.639 if these stays as they were set last night, you know, 48 00:02:44.719 --> 00:02:48.000 we will be paying a lot more for most things 49 00:02:48.280 --> 00:02:52.039 we're consuming. So it'll be it'll be very tough. It'll 50 00:02:52.080 --> 00:02:55.120 be very interesting how some of this, how some of 51 00:02:55.159 --> 00:02:58.680 this translates, and considering you know, Trump was just on 52 00:02:59.039 --> 00:03:03.840 television last week teasing that, you know, what he comes 53 00:03:03.919 --> 00:03:07.599 out with yesterday, when he comes out on Liberation Day, 54 00:03:07.719 --> 00:03:10.400 won't be as bad as maybe most feared. It was 55 00:03:10.759 --> 00:03:11.960 quite the opposite. 56 00:03:13.039 --> 00:03:16.280 So I was talking to some money people that I 57 00:03:16.439 --> 00:03:19.960 know this morning because this is not my wheelhouse, and 58 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:23.120 they were saying, essentially, and I'm not asking for advice 59 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:25.400 from you, but they were saying, essentially what you hear 60 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:27.919 most of the time when there is market turmoil. Again, 61 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:30.280 this is probably the worst day we're going to see 62 00:03:30.280 --> 00:03:33.680 on Wall Street since COVID I've been rating. But anyway, 63 00:03:33.680 --> 00:03:36.400 the money people are saying, don't make any moves right now. 64 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:39.520 Don't panic that this will correct. Like you said, we 65 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:42.039 don't really have a timetable for this. But if we 66 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:44.439 know Trump, we know that this is his opening salvo, 67 00:03:44.520 --> 00:03:47.680 this is his opening point of negotiation, and that these 68 00:03:47.719 --> 00:03:52.000 will be dialed back somewhat as talks continue with other countries. 69 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:57.039 I would agree with that, especially I would underscore the 70 00:03:57.120 --> 00:04:01.960 opening salvo and opening negotiation tactics from Trump and the administration. 71 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:07.759 Having said that, I think that investors should be really 72 00:04:07.800 --> 00:04:11.280 just looking over what they have their portfolios and where 73 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:15.680 they stand with an asset mix. It's it's I think 74 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:18.959 very important for investors to remember that the second half 75 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:22.800 of twenty twenty four, you know, we had some huge 76 00:04:22.839 --> 00:04:27.879 moves to the upside and a lot of stocks, specifically 77 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:31.639 within you know, tech stocks, and so we've had some 78 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:35.040 nice you know year to well, not year today, but 79 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:37.639 we've had some very nice gains over the last couple 80 00:04:37.639 --> 00:04:41.920 of years. We're seeing some volatility this year. The tariffs 81 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:45.560 don't help, and so things are quite volatile right now. 82 00:04:45.560 --> 00:04:48.000 But again we're coming off of the last two years 83 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:50.120 which have been very very good for stocks, and I 84 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:52.279 think it's important for investors to know what they own 85 00:04:52.319 --> 00:04:55.720 within their portfolio and to possibly take a little bit 86 00:04:55.720 --> 00:04:59.319 of a more defensive posture within their portfolio. We've got 87 00:04:59.360 --> 00:05:02.079 bonds acting while this morning, treasury certainly have a bid. 88 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:06.759 While the more cyclical and the more risk assets are 89 00:05:07.360 --> 00:05:11.720 down the hardest. But again we've got defensive like consumer 90 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:17.399 staple stocks, healthcare stocks, utilities. These are all relative outperformers today. 91 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:20.079 I didn't ask you, and I didn't ask our producer. 92 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:22.199 Are you okay to hang on for one more segment? 93 00:05:22.360 --> 00:05:27.800 I just have another quick question about setting aside cash 94 00:05:27.879 --> 00:05:32.240 when the media attention is negative, If that's time to invest, 95 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:34.240 can you stick around for another segment? 96 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:35.560 Certainly? 97 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:36.360 Awesome? Great. 98 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:39.360 We're talking to Sahawk Manwellian. He's managing director, head of 99 00:05:39.399 --> 00:05:42.319 equity trading at web Bush Securities. Again a crazy day 100 00:05:42.360 --> 00:05:44.399 on Wall Street. We knew this was coming with the tariffs, 101 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:46.639 but what does it all mean and what does it 102 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:49.399 mean for your money? We'll continue talking to Sahawk when 103 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:50.319 we continue it. 104 00:05:51.399 --> 00:05:54.839 You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI 105 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:56.319 AM six forty. 106 00:05:57.720 --> 00:05:58.800 Just breaking this hour. 107 00:05:58.920 --> 00:06:03.439 Trump he said to be firing several National Security Council 108 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:09.240 officials over concerns they're not sufficiently loyal. We were talking 109 00:06:09.319 --> 00:06:13.120 in the wake of the Signal app debacle of him 110 00:06:13.480 --> 00:06:17.639 having heads roll because of it, and I thought to myself. 111 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:19.800 Well, that's not what he's going to do. These are 112 00:06:19.879 --> 00:06:20.519 his guys. 113 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:23.519 That he picked, and Gary and I were talking about it, 114 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:26.600 and he had parted ways with guys in his previous 115 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:29.079 inner circle. You know, you think about Jeff Sessions and 116 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:32.839 the like Mike Pompeo, but those were guys that did 117 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:36.079 not remain loyal in his eyes, and I think that's 118 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:39.319 where the heads begin to roll. Anyway, we continue to 119 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:42.560 follow what's going on on Wall Street markets all down 120 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:46.160 because of the reaction globally when it comes to the 121 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:49.040 markets and the tariffs and what will the impact be. 122 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:52.600 The Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney says they're going to 123 00:06:52.600 --> 00:06:56.800 be imposing counter auto tariffs in response to Trump's announcement. 124 00:06:57.439 --> 00:06:59.720 He says that these are going to be felt around 125 00:06:59.720 --> 00:07:02.879 the world world Trump's tariffs and that it is fundamentally 126 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:07.319 different today the global economy than it was yesterday. And 127 00:07:07.920 --> 00:07:10.480 the markets they like certainty and that's not what they're 128 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:12.720 going to get. For a while, we've been talking to 129 00:07:12.959 --> 00:07:16.600 Sahawk Manuelian, he's a managing director over there at web 130 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:21.199 Bush Securities and Pasadena head of Equity Training, and Sahawk 131 00:07:21.600 --> 00:07:24.279 we hear from Canada that they're going to impose counter 132 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:28.800 auto tariffs. We've heard that China has threatened retaliation. So 133 00:07:28.920 --> 00:07:32.279 not only do the markets need to contend with the 134 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:38.519 Trump's tariffs, but now kind of awaiting how the globe responds. 135 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:41.160 The volatility is so real for us here in the 136 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:45.279 US markets as there's so much uncertainty of exactly how 137 00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:49.279 these things will ultimately shake out. Lots of you know, 138 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:52.240 corresponding countries saying a lot of different things right now, 139 00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:54.439 but we just don't know yet, and so it'll be 140 00:07:54.439 --> 00:07:56.279 a wait and see. And so long as it's a 141 00:07:56.279 --> 00:07:59.879 wait and see type process here, the volatility will will 142 00:08:00.360 --> 00:08:04.639 most likely persist. And unfortunately it's a negative impact and 143 00:08:04.959 --> 00:08:09.519 certainly a headwind for for our domestic equities. And and 144 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:13.439 again it's it's consumers being impacted here, business is getting impacted, 145 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:18.120 and then you know, ultimately jobs will be impacted. It's 146 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:20.879 just to what degree, And that's what we don't know yet. 147 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:23.480 And we don't know if these stick and how long 148 00:08:23.560 --> 00:08:28.040 these tariffs stick, and if we get any you know, 149 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:31.560 kind of adjustments to these tariff numbers that we saw 150 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:34.320 from last night. So there's just a lot of uncertainty 151 00:08:34.360 --> 00:08:37.080 and that's what these that's what this market is clearly 152 00:08:38.200 --> 00:08:39.759 reflecting this morning. 153 00:08:40.039 --> 00:08:42.799 My buddy Tim Conway Junior let me know he's got 154 00:08:42.840 --> 00:08:46.360 extra tickets to Santa Anita this weekend. And I know 155 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:48.840 how to bet on horses, and I know how to 156 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:52.919 bet all day at the pigo table, blackjack, really, any 157 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:55.759 games of chance, I'm your girl. But when it comes 158 00:08:55.799 --> 00:08:59.960 to money, I'm less sure. I read that if now 159 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:02.480 could be the time if you were a gambling individual, 160 00:09:02.519 --> 00:09:04.360 if you're into playing around with your money, if you 161 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:07.120 had money to play with, that it could be a 162 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:10.600 time for deploying some of that when the media is 163 00:09:10.720 --> 00:09:13.840 negative when it comes to investments. Is that something you're 164 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:17.519 hearing again? Not asking for your advice, but just it's 165 00:09:17.559 --> 00:09:19.639 something that I read this morning that now may be 166 00:09:19.759 --> 00:09:21.480 a time if you want to play around. 167 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:26.279 Sure, I think that, you know, with with markets down 168 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:29.720 as much as they are, it's really looking at what 169 00:09:29.840 --> 00:09:33.039 you want to invest in now, And you know, from 170 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:37.000 our vantage anyways, a lot of the big winners over 171 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:40.279 the last couple of years, namely tech stocks and consumer 172 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:43.480 discretionary stocks, those have been laggard's year to date. We 173 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:47.279 think that trend probably continues, and what we think looks 174 00:09:47.360 --> 00:09:52.000 interesting here are the more defensive equities. Defensive plays such 175 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:56.360 as healthcare, consumer staples, and utilities. And I think that 176 00:09:56.399 --> 00:10:00.039 those which have been relative performers day year today, we 177 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:04.480 probably continue to stay relative performers here to date. So 178 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:07.240 we think a lot of those look pretty interesting here. 179 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:09.559 All right, Sahawk Manuelian. 180 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:12.639 He is the head of equity training at web Bush 181 00:10:12.679 --> 00:10:15.559 Securities in Pasadena. Thank you so much, Sahawk for your time. 182 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:18.440 I really appreciate your analysis on a day like today. 183 00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:21.200 My pleasure. Thank you again for having me on. 184 00:10:21.399 --> 00:10:24.080 Of course, all right, we will stay on top of this. 185 00:10:24.279 --> 00:10:27.039 Keep an eye on Wall Street again, though, I mean, 186 00:10:27.080 --> 00:10:28.679 all the advice from all the people in the know 187 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:32.120 is just don't look at Wall Street today, not until 188 00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:35.039 things kind of level off a little bit again. Like 189 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:38.679 Sahawk and I were saying, it's Trump's opening salvo in 190 00:10:38.799 --> 00:10:41.879 terms of coming to the table and figuring out how 191 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:45.080 the US can get less screwed when it comes to tariffs. 192 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:48.879 Why do we pay so much versus what other countries pay. 193 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:53.360 Maybe it's time for the constant, the conversation. And you 194 00:10:53.519 --> 00:10:56.679 got to believe that if this continues, if we're really 195 00:10:56.799 --> 00:10:59.320 hurt at home, and we're really hurt when it comes 196 00:10:59.360 --> 00:11:02.480 to our four case that Trump's not going to want 197 00:11:02.480 --> 00:11:05.919 to gamble with that kind of unpopularity. I believe that, 198 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:08.320 but I guess we'll all just have to wait and 199 00:11:08.360 --> 00:11:10.039 see together, all right, Coming up next. 200 00:11:10.159 --> 00:11:12.200 I started reading this article this morning. 201 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:14.559 It was in the cut and it piqued my interest 202 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:18.240 because it's about a course at UCSB and it's called 203 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:20.600 Critical Heterosexuality Studies. 204 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:21.799 And I'm like, what the hell is that? 205 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:25.639 And I click on at because it's like new course 206 00:11:25.759 --> 00:11:27.759 to study hetero relationships. 207 00:11:27.759 --> 00:11:31.519 I'm like, why do we need a course to study that? 208 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:34.200 And I click onto this article and I think, Ah, 209 00:11:34.279 --> 00:11:37.000 this isn't this isn't that interesting. But I read it 210 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:39.600 for about ten minutes. I thought, well, that's interesting enough. 211 00:11:40.159 --> 00:11:44.000 There's a woman who's teaching this course. She's a sociologist, 212 00:11:44.039 --> 00:11:46.399 and it's the first of its kind to steatter us 213 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:50.600 to study being straight. And it's fascinating and you will 214 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:54.559 not believe some of the things that she says. She 215 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:56.720 says that this class is going to be a place 216 00:11:56.759 --> 00:12:00.600 where we worry about straight people, where we feel sympathy 217 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:04.200 for straight people. We're gonna be allies, she says to 218 00:12:04.240 --> 00:12:07.519 straight people. It is fascinating. We'll talk about it when 219 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:08.080 we come back. 220 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:13.120 You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI 221 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:14.200 AM six forty. 222 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:18.759 Who's ever in charge of Mark Chrisky and the way 223 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:21.519 that he looks should get all the awards in television. 224 00:12:21.639 --> 00:12:23.399 My god, Mark. 225 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:27.000 Chrisky has been He looks like he looked twenty years 226 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:29.360 ago when I moved to LA, and he was recently 227 00:12:29.399 --> 00:12:33.600 out with all these vocal cord issue at KTLA for 228 00:12:33.639 --> 00:12:34.320 a few months. 229 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:34.919 He was gone. 230 00:12:34.919 --> 00:12:37.960 He had a stroke I believe last year that had 231 00:12:38.039 --> 00:12:39.919 him out for a couple months and he is back. 232 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:41.759 My god, he's incredible. 233 00:12:41.840 --> 00:12:43.759 He had another health scare a handful of years ago, 234 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:45.279 if I'm not mistaken. 235 00:12:45.399 --> 00:12:47.360 But he looks great. 236 00:12:47.679 --> 00:12:52.559 I mean, my goodness. Fascinating, also fascinating. Strange science will 237 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:55.200 be coming up. Keana has ended out of the park today. 238 00:12:55.919 --> 00:12:59.159 We've wondered about NASA and the underwear. Okay, I've wondered 239 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:03.559 about NASA and the underwear, and I think other people have. 240 00:13:03.639 --> 00:13:06.000 I don't think I'm alone in that, no matter how 241 00:13:06.039 --> 00:13:08.879 much Gary tries to tell me I am. But there 242 00:13:08.919 --> 00:13:11.960 was an article in Slate about a woman who used 243 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:16.000 to work at NASA, and she, of course has a 244 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:18.399 lot of friends who work at NASA, one of which 245 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:23.120 is a program scientist for the International Space Station, and 246 00:13:23.679 --> 00:13:29.039 she says, we hear almost everything because they monitor astronauts health, 247 00:13:29.039 --> 00:13:33.720 their psychological state, overall comfort, everything, flight controllers always paying 248 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:35.240 attention for safety reasons. 249 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:36.639 But they hear all the things. 250 00:13:36.639 --> 00:13:38.840 They hear the burps and the farts and the heacups 251 00:13:38.840 --> 00:13:43.320 and the bathroom situations. 252 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:43.200 All the human things, right. 253 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:46.879 And the woman who writes the article for Slate says, 254 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:49.879 for as long as I worked in science communication at NASA, 255 00:13:49.960 --> 00:13:53.039 people always ask me the same two questions. First, they 256 00:13:53.039 --> 00:13:55.919 want to know about the bathroom stuff. Then they want 257 00:13:55.960 --> 00:13:59.720 to know about the sex, which was new to me. 258 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:02.840 This had not occurred to me. And she goes on 259 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:05.559 to write how people have been interested in space sex 260 00:14:05.559 --> 00:14:08.840 since at least nineteen ninety two, when the first and 261 00:14:08.879 --> 00:14:13.240 only married astronaut couple joined the Space Shuttle mission and 262 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:16.399 lived in space together. So we'll get into that coming 263 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:19.039 up in Strange Science. See, now you're going to have 264 00:14:19.039 --> 00:14:21.200 to hang on till the twelve o'clock hour because you 265 00:14:21.240 --> 00:14:21.720 want to know. 266 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:22.279 Just like me. 267 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:24.960 That's all I've read, by the way, So we're alone 268 00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:28.080 in the knowledge department when it comes to space sex 269 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:32.240 until we get to that in the meantime. I saw 270 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:35.600 this article this morning in the Cut and it's about 271 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:41.720 a new course at UCSB, and it's called Critical Heterosexuality Studies. 272 00:14:42.679 --> 00:14:45.639 And this is entertaining as hell. 273 00:14:46.279 --> 00:14:50.879 A sociologist's named Jane Ward teaches this. She's fifty one. 274 00:14:51.759 --> 00:14:55.000 The author describes her as a young looking fifty one, 275 00:14:55.200 --> 00:15:00.960 wears Birkenstocks, sandy blonde hair couple natural grays. And she 276 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:06.159 is the chair at UCSB of the Department of Feminist Studies. 277 00:15:06.679 --> 00:15:09.919 And this is a new seminar that she is teaching, 278 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:16.120 an intro to her area of expertise, straight studies. If 279 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:18.679 this is new to you of this being an area 280 00:15:18.759 --> 00:15:21.360 of expertise, welcome to my club. 281 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:23.159 It is also new to me. 282 00:15:25.320 --> 00:15:29.639 This is a rundown of a typical Monday in the class. 283 00:15:29.759 --> 00:15:35.159 This was January seventy two degrees at Santa Barbara, after all, 284 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:38.559 and they said that twenty eight undergraduates start moving their 285 00:15:38.600 --> 00:15:42.240 desks into a circle there inside a classroom. You know, 286 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:45.840 the usual college students, Baggy Jean's, oversized T shirts, a 287 00:15:45.879 --> 00:15:49.240 sticker on one laptop that says f tuition You know 288 00:15:49.440 --> 00:15:50.039 the usual. 289 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:51.600 Now. 290 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:56.440 The fun thing about the teacher, Jane Ward, the sociologist 291 00:15:56.720 --> 00:16:01.840 teaching the study or the seminar on heterosexual studies, is 292 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:08.200 she is a lesbian. One student named Anthony says, I 293 00:16:08.240 --> 00:16:11.240 feel like this class is going to answer a lot of. 294 00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:14.759 Why are they like that? Why are they like that? 295 00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:15.840 He is a. 296 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:20.080 Global studies major. Anthony, he identifies as gay. Sarah is 297 00:16:20.120 --> 00:16:23.440 another one. She is a student. She's a comparative literature 298 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:26.679 major from Long Beach, and she says, I feel bad 299 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:29.120 for some of my straight friends. They're like, oh my god, 300 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:31.080 my boyfriend got me flowers for the first time in 301 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:38.600 two years. Danny is a psychology and brain sciences major 302 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:42.519 from Dallas who is bisexual. She says she observed her 303 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:45.600 self behave in ways that disturbed her when she dated men. 304 00:16:45.720 --> 00:16:49.399 She was more submissive, more self conscious, inattentive to her 305 00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:55.759 own needs. She wanted to understand why. Julia is another student. 306 00:16:56.240 --> 00:17:00.159 She says she's actually straight, but queer enough to be 307 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:02.879 in the class. She says that a lot of straight 308 00:17:02.919 --> 00:17:10.400 relationships can create a type of insecurity. There is Simran, 309 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:14.839 a feminist studies student psychology double major, actually describes herself 310 00:17:14.839 --> 00:17:18.599 as constantly confused about her sexuality but definitely not straight. 311 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:22.400 She has trouble imagining being a parent without a man 312 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:24.799 in the picture. And what's that all about? Why do 313 00:17:24.839 --> 00:17:27.720 I feel this way? She wanted to know, and the teacher, 314 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:32.880 Miss Ward, Jane Ward, said, well, let's try to answer 315 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:36.079 these questions in the next few weeks, she said, In 316 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:38.039 this class, we're going to flip the script. It's going 317 00:17:38.119 --> 00:17:40.559 to be a place where we worry about straight people, 318 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:44.279 where we feel sympathy for straight people again. As you 319 00:17:44.319 --> 00:17:46.880 can imagine, this class is the first of its kind 320 00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:51.839 approaching straight culture head on as its primary subject. As 321 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:55.079 you can imagine, few academics have been drawn to this topic. 322 00:17:55.839 --> 00:17:56.799 There have been. 323 00:17:56.880 --> 00:18:01.039 Sex research classes, courses going on. You're thinking Freud, you're 324 00:18:01.039 --> 00:18:04.839 thinking Kinsey. Never has anyone sat down to say, what's 325 00:18:04.880 --> 00:18:06.680 all this straight stuff all about? 326 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:07.640 That? 327 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:10.960 It's only been kind of the wallpapers, the author writes, 328 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:14.000 the wallpaper against which other exhibits are hung. 329 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:15.480 It just is. 330 00:18:17.559 --> 00:18:17.920 All right. 331 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:24.039 Coming up next, they dig into what the straight culture 332 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:29.640 is all about, and it gets pretty insane. 333 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:32.880 It goes on to talk about this course about how 334 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:37.720 hard life is for women straight women, and how there 335 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:41.119 have been decades of just expecting men to get better, 336 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:42.920 but they haven't. 337 00:18:44.759 --> 00:18:48.920 It's it's insane, you guys. It is crazy. And I 338 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:51.720 think my takeaway not to spoil it, not that you're 339 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:56.279 you're waiting for it, but is you shouldn't go to 340 00:18:56.319 --> 00:19:00.400 your heterosexual relationship for your overall well being. You know, 341 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:03.319 you shouldn't try to get everything you want out of 342 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:06.000 life and out of your self improvement out of your 343 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:11.640 heteros any relationship, homosexual relationship, heterosexual relationship, whatever. You can't 344 00:19:11.640 --> 00:19:15.079 go to your partner for everything. And I feel like 345 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:18.759 this course is trying to say that because women straight 346 00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:22.559 women can't go to their straight boyfriend or husband or 347 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:25.079 partner for all of this enrichment. 348 00:19:25.519 --> 00:19:26.799 Get rid of them altogether. 349 00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:30.079 It's fascinating to see their math on it. We'll get 350 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:31.039 into it when we come back. 351 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:35.680 You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI 352 00:19:35.920 --> 00:19:36.680 AM six. 353 00:19:36.519 --> 00:19:42.640 Forty awful, ending to a horrific story out of the 354 00:19:42.759 --> 00:19:49.680 Valley that ended up in In the Antelope Valley, the 355 00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:52.559 remains of a thirteen year old boy who was missing 356 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:55.559 from the valley actually been found in Oxnard. He was 357 00:19:56.079 --> 00:19:59.000 supposed to be seeing a friend in Lancaster over the weekend. 358 00:19:59.200 --> 00:20:02.039 On Sunday, he was reported missing on thirteen. His body 359 00:20:02.119 --> 00:20:05.599 was discovered yesterday. We will get into more of the 360 00:20:05.680 --> 00:20:07.519 details about that. You're going to be hearing a lot 361 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:11.680 about this story, and if you not, you should because 362 00:20:12.079 --> 00:20:15.799 his family has been speaking two different news outlets. I 363 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:18.920 believe they are only Spanish speaking. But thirteen year old 364 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:23.480 boy missing turns up body has been found now in. 365 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:27.720 Oxnard, so we'll stay on top of that. 366 00:20:27.799 --> 00:20:32.000 We are talking about this new course at University of 367 00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:36.680 Santa Barbara u CSB, and it's called let Me Find 368 00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:40.640 It because it's of course very overly detailed, a course 369 00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:46.799 called Critical Heterosexual Studies, basically a class about straight people. 370 00:20:47.240 --> 00:20:49.400 And where we left off, we were talking about sociologist 371 00:20:49.519 --> 00:20:52.480 Jane Ward. She teaches this class. She is a chair 372 00:20:52.519 --> 00:20:57.200 of feminist Studies. She is a homosexual, she's a lesbian. 373 00:20:58.240 --> 00:21:02.319 She is teaching this course, first of its kind. And 374 00:21:02.519 --> 00:21:06.279 we were talking about the students and them just having 375 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:10.559 questions about why I behave this way in a heterosexual relationship, 376 00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:13.160 or why can I not see raising a child without 377 00:21:13.160 --> 00:21:15.880 a man, these types of things, and the goal was 378 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:20.839 to answer all of these questions. But it is fascinating 379 00:21:20.960 --> 00:21:25.319 to hear a lesbian teach a course on straight people, 380 00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:28.960 but she has also had her own time, her own 381 00:21:28.960 --> 00:21:33.240 personal experience in straight relationships as well. She points out 382 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:36.759 that polls leading up to the last elections showed the 383 00:21:36.759 --> 00:21:40.279 widest gap in political views in American history. That men 384 00:21:40.599 --> 00:21:44.319 seem to be younger, men more conservative these days, and 385 00:21:44.359 --> 00:21:47.359 you're seeing women kind of move in the other direction, 386 00:21:47.440 --> 00:21:52.640 at least in the younger directions, and the reporter for 387 00:21:52.680 --> 00:21:55.319 the Cut Rights enough young American women are fed up 388 00:21:55.319 --> 00:21:58.319 with current realities to make a sizeable trend of their own, 389 00:21:58.880 --> 00:22:04.440 declaring themselves boy sober or voluntarily celibate, proclaiming themselves as 390 00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:07.039 part of the four B movement born in South Korea. 391 00:22:07.079 --> 00:22:10.759 We've talked about this rejects all sexual and romantic relationships 392 00:22:10.799 --> 00:22:14.680 with men. And I ask you, if you're my age 393 00:22:14.799 --> 00:22:19.559 or age adjacent, haven't we as straight women, If you're 394 00:22:19.559 --> 00:22:21.599 a straight woman, or even if you're not a straight woman, 395 00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:25.319 gone through phases in life where you swear off relationships 396 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:27.200 or like, Okay, I've had enough of that. I'm just 397 00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:30.160 going to be by myself for a while right figure 398 00:22:30.200 --> 00:22:31.079 out what I want. 399 00:22:31.319 --> 00:22:32.400 It's pretty normal. 400 00:22:32.759 --> 00:22:34.519 It's just this day and age, we have to throw 401 00:22:34.519 --> 00:22:38.759