Speaker 1: Ready, get ready for.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: So February twenty, twenty twenty six, allegedly, according to that
Speaker 3: thing we call a counter, this is the O'Kelly effect
Speaker 3: and live call in Friday night show. So we are
Speaker 3: live and my co host Bpte is with me. Hopefully
Speaker 3: you are too. Soon we're going to launch a couple
Speaker 3: of things that are gonna be a little different. And
Speaker 3: had a discussion with VP recently about how we're gonna
Speaker 3: change but also remaining the same as far as putting
Speaker 3: out the audio. The audio remained the same. If you
Speaker 3: listen to the audio podcast and you enjoyed that way, great,
Speaker 3: But we're gonna add video, We're gonna add shows if
Speaker 3: we're lucky, we're gonna add formats. Because I'm bored and
Speaker 3: apparently so are the remainder of my listeners. So it's time.
Speaker 3: And besides that, we're not getting anywhere with a bunch
Speaker 3: of things. I mean, I had to cancel on Larry
Speaker 3: Hancock last night because I was throwing up at the
Speaker 3: time I should have been recording with him. So I
Speaker 3: had to say, Larry, I'm puking at the moment, can't
Speaker 3: join you. I don't do that to Larry if I
Speaker 3: can avoid it. But it just couldn't be done last night.
Speaker 3: But I'm thinking about it. And you know, all the
Speaker 3: serious work I do, all the serious people that I
Speaker 3: have brought on the show, all the serious information that
Speaker 3: I've taken my time to vet work on research, is
Speaker 3: really for naught. So it's time to change up what
Speaker 3: we're doing. Maybe deliver the message in a different package.
Speaker 3: Maybe come up with another way to break the paradigm
Speaker 3: by not participating in the same stupid thing that everybody
Speaker 3: else does, because that's the one thing that bothers me.
Speaker 3: There is no point having an independent network if all
Speaker 3: I'm going to do is parrot stuff that is said elsewhere, right,
Speaker 3: because you can get that guess what elsewhere that bigger budget's,
Speaker 3: bigger names better social media has spread the word Why
Speaker 3: should I bother to cover the same ground you can
Speaker 3: get everywhere else? So, you know that's my attitude. Maybe
Speaker 3: it's wrong. Maybe I should just join one of the
Speaker 3: teams in whatever way you want, you know, take up
Speaker 3: the infohoers, you know, mantle run with it. A lot
Speaker 3: of people have done Alex Jones Light for years. Some
Speaker 3: of them have made careers. Some people have made careers
Speaker 3: added next to nothing because they just use a particular
Speaker 3: format and they buy some views. They do a little
Speaker 3: of this and that, and the next thing, you know
Speaker 3: is legitimate people. And I've been watching and observing all
Speaker 3: up and down various platforms, people that have shows that
Speaker 3: say nothing, do nothing, and yet are well supported by
Speaker 3: super chatters and you know, massive donations and subscriptions that
Speaker 3: give them nothing in addition to just you. You can
Speaker 3: call yourself a supporter of this, and I can't. I
Speaker 3: don't understand it because even when I do a news show,
Speaker 3: I do a lot of research. I check on articles,
Speaker 3: I go over stuff. I don't just do one thing
Speaker 3: and people forget, you know. I also used to chase
Speaker 3: down stories directly when people were talking about the police
Speaker 3: mishandling people and throwing people out of their houses. In
Speaker 3: twenty fourteen, I went and got some of those people
Speaker 3: who had been through experiences who were part of viral
Speaker 3: videos and brought them on the show. Not an easy
Speaker 3: task all the time. Those people, when they get a
Speaker 3: little media attention, not easy to track down. When I
Speaker 3: wanted to discuss the whole militia members thing that was
Speaker 3: going on in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen. You know,
Speaker 3: pre Trump, I got militia people on the show, didn't I?
Speaker 2: I did that.
Speaker 3: Remember the Reality Winner, which I thought was a joke,
Speaker 3: and she got charged with you know, suddenly the Espionage Act,
Speaker 3: right independent contractor that was working for the NSSA, and boom,
Speaker 3: what did I do? I couldn't get her on because
Speaker 3: she was in prison. I got her mom on the
Speaker 3: show to talk about what was going on with her
Speaker 3: case as much as she could, as much as she
Speaker 3: was allowed, and what was happening. I chased down news,
Speaker 3: not just my political opinion. I chased down news. I
Speaker 3: chased down real research, historical and what's happening currently. When
Speaker 3: Pizzagate exploded into way too many directions, it wasn't just
Speaker 3: the New York Times saying, oh, you know, maybe this
Speaker 3: isn't actually happening in this building. I talked to people
Speaker 3: in DC, couldn't get some of them to come on
Speaker 3: the air, got a couple of people to come on
Speaker 3: the air and give secondhand reports because we had talked
Speaker 3: to people who were there and asked them about this
Speaker 3: place which nobody paid attention to. And really it was
Speaker 3: the alt media not the mainstream via people like myself
Speaker 3: and a couple others that I could name, but I'm
Speaker 3: not going to bother that said, there's no basement in
Speaker 3: the building. You're claiming to have a torture basement. This
Speaker 3: other thing is not what you claim it to be.
Speaker 3: These people are strange, and yet Pizzapgate is now making
Speaker 3: a resurgence because there's pizza being discussed in some of
Speaker 3: the Jeffrey Epstein emails. Jeffrey Epstein itself a story I
Speaker 3: was covering as early as twenty fifteen, and it was
Speaker 3: a crazy conspiracy theory that only nuts on the internet discussed.
Speaker 3: And now it's kind of mainstream, isn't it? And there
Speaker 3: are real things coming out no matter what the weapon
Speaker 3: of mass distraction is that goes on about it, and
Speaker 3: who's being distracted from what and for which purpose? And
Speaker 3: you know, good point and bad point when they say, well,
Speaker 3: why did you ask Merrick Garland about this? Merrick Garland
Speaker 3: didn't promise the drop stuff, and we're asking you about
Speaker 3: a release that Merrick Garland didn't even make. But you
Speaker 3: know what, you're right about, Merrick Garland. Somebody should have
Speaker 3: asked questions and they could have asked questions all the
Speaker 3: way back to the Bush administration. Oops, kind of covers
Speaker 3: both sides of the aisle, doesn't it. Nah, it's just
Speaker 3: your imagination, and I'm sorry. I only got on it
Speaker 3: in twenty fifteen, but that's when I became aware because
Speaker 3: there were al media people just to handfil being called,
Speaker 3: you know, sick and twisted for even wanting to cover
Speaker 3: the significance of this thing and trying to tell you
Speaker 3: this is a big story. Ed Opperman was one of
Speaker 3: those people Porkins, you know, Pierce Redmond, one of those people. Oh,
Speaker 3: by the way, long before that Whitney, whatever the hell
Speaker 3: her name is. So it's frustrating. What can I do
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six at this point? I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: not a good performing monkey. I won't lie to you
Speaker 3: for a dollar, because if I did, I wouldn't have
Speaker 3: to ask for donations anymore. Promise you that all I
Speaker 3: would have had to do is sell out my integrity
Speaker 3: here or there. I could have had either thousands of
Speaker 3: dollars a steady job, you know, endorsement deals, whatever. I've
Speaker 3: lost all my extra work I used to get from
Speaker 3: voiceovers because AI is now doing a lot of it,
Speaker 3: but pay no attention to any of that that's not
Speaker 3: being done for any particular reason right which, by the way,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna bring a piece of AI onto this show.
Speaker 3: I got something shared with me, and maybe by next
Speaker 3: week I'll be ready to reveal a weird thing I have. Oh,
Speaker 3: by the way, they're making podcasts fully with just AI
Speaker 3: programming now, like, no people involved, no hosts, no nothing.
Speaker 3: So am I wasting my time? I don't know, But
Speaker 3: I'm going to try and do something different because I
Speaker 3: know I enjoy broadcasting first of all, and I wanted
Speaker 3: to do something serious that had, you know, positive effects.
Speaker 3: But if I could do a little comedy, if I
Speaker 3: could do a little politics, just a little not constant,
Speaker 3: you know, if I could do a little comedy, a
Speaker 3: little politics, a little observation, a little independent analysis, which
Speaker 3: you know isn't just automatically. Got even a friend of
Speaker 3: mine over here screaming at me that I'm an mf
Speaker 3: or right away, when I'm trying to say, dude, why
Speaker 3: is it everybody's not talking about this aspect of it,
Speaker 3: he went so defensive the first thing out of it,
Speaker 3: called me names. I don't blame him, though, because that's
Speaker 3: the way we're supposed to react now, right. I don't
Speaker 3: want to do this kind of crap anymore. I want
Speaker 3: to do something different. I don't want to cover the
Speaker 3: same ground everybody else is covering if I can avoid it.
Speaker 3: And I certainly don't want to sit here and compare
Speaker 3: parrot notes. Here's my right wing notes, here's my left
Speaker 3: wing notes, here's Chuck's weird ass notes. That's not getting
Speaker 3: us anywhere either. So something gotta give. And BP's going
Speaker 3: to be a partner on this, by the way, even
Speaker 3: though yeah, I think some of his points of viewers do,
Speaker 3: he thinks some of mine are absolutely insane. There's got
Speaker 3: to be a way to make that work without fighting
Speaker 3: with each other and do something with that. And I've
Speaker 3: got ideas. I got a huge list of ideas, actually,
Speaker 3: and I'm looking for more. And I'm hoping to create
Speaker 3: a new coalition because you know, nobody wants to be
Speaker 3: under my network, because every time I start getting people
Speaker 3: together doing that, somebody turns on me and screws me
Speaker 3: over with that, you know, because they're a drunken, bipolar
Speaker 3: mess or something, or they're a religious fanatic that you know,
Speaker 3: freaks out because I say, look, I don't want to
Speaker 3: do religious broadcasts on my network. Oh my god, you're
Speaker 3: against freedom of speech. No, I don't want my network
Speaker 3: to be used as religious programming, especially if it's recruitment
Speaker 3: that I think is hostile to other people on the planet.
Speaker 3: I think that's negativity that I don't want to participate in.
Speaker 3: Is my point. You can go do that anywhere you want.
Speaker 3: I don't want to stop you. I don't want to
Speaker 3: participate in it. And next thing you know, I'm the antichrist.
Speaker 3: I think Trump's a con artist. It doesn't mean I
Speaker 3: love Biden. But next thing you know is I'm a
Speaker 3: Biden loving communist who wants to I don't know, lick
Speaker 3: kamalass feet something weird. It always goes to something weird. Anyway,
Speaker 3: I want to get away from politics, I really do.
Speaker 3: And tonight let's talk about whatever you want for I
Speaker 3: guarantee we got at least a full hour, even after
Speaker 3: my long, long over. And by the way, this is
Speaker 3: another thing that annoys me. I end up having to
Speaker 3: have long explanations about stuff. B Pete slow rolls his
Speaker 3: explanations because that's the way he talks. I end up
Speaker 3: over explaining myself and wasting your time and mind because
Speaker 3: a stupid crap. I have to retrain myself, and I
Speaker 3: got to retrain what's left to you guys, and hopefully
Speaker 3: get some new listeners because the support system's not working.
Speaker 3: And I'm basically feeling kind of unwanded out here in
Speaker 3: the media stream. And maybe I am. Maybe it's because
Speaker 3: I stuck to audio too long, so we're going to
Speaker 3: go to video. Maybe it's because I stuck, you know,
Speaker 3: and kept arguing politics and current events too long. Things
Speaker 3: got to change. Maybe I'll keep some of it. And oh,
Speaker 3: then there's also the JFK community basically rejecting and erasing me.
Speaker 3: I don't care about that necessarily, because screw it. You
Speaker 3: know what, they're doing me a favor at this point
Speaker 3: by kicking me the hell out of any circle that
Speaker 3: I was part of and turning their backs on me,
Speaker 3: all with the exception of, you know, people like Larry Hancock,
Speaker 3: most strangely is one of the most respectable and oddly
Speaker 3: has not passed judgment on me, shunned me, removed me
Speaker 3: from anything. He's still my friend, and he felt bad
Speaker 3: that I didn't feel good last night, and I think
Speaker 3: that's legit. By the way, Larry's a real decent human being,
Speaker 3: no matter what you think of his points of view
Speaker 3: or his research, which is mostly impeccable, his writing style,
Speaker 3: which is absolent educational. I don't just say that because
Speaker 3: he's my friend. I say it because it's freaking true.
Speaker 3: But you know, the most rational and sober guy in
Speaker 3: JFK research Land is still my friend. And if that's
Speaker 3: all I get out of it, I'm good. Mike Swanson.
Speaker 3: I'm happy he's still supporting things. But he doesn't even
Speaker 3: want to talk to people on the internet, he says
Speaker 3: anymore at all. So you know, he's going to write
Speaker 3: some books and do whatever, and we'll see what comes
Speaker 3: of that in the future. But anyway, in the meantime,
Speaker 3: I need to recruit new people to work with to
Speaker 3: create a coalition. BPTE and I have so far agreed
Speaker 3: that we're going to do some new work. Not going
Speaker 3: to get in all the details of it yet because
Speaker 3: I don't want to share them. I don't want to
Speaker 3: spoil them, and they may even be subject to change,
Speaker 3: but we're gonna work together, even though there is a
Speaker 3: built in hostility here in our points of view. Matter
Speaker 3: of fact, it's not in spite of that. It's because
Speaker 3: of that that I think that we can wind up
Speaker 3: doing something very good. Because I don't want a yes man,
Speaker 3: and I don't want to be a yes man. I'd
Speaker 3: like to come to consensus, move things forward, and have progress,
Speaker 3: even whether it is that I figure out a way
Speaker 3: to make you laugh, think, or do something other then
Speaker 3: get caught in these repetitious, continuous cycles of idiocy that
Speaker 3: are in other media. I mean, either direct idiocy or
Speaker 3: you know, let's repeat our political points over and over again,
Speaker 3: whether they make sense or not, and you're supposed to
Speaker 3: repeat them now and you do. No matter what kind
Speaker 3: of idiocy, I don't want any part of it. I
Speaker 3: want to move forward so him and I can challenge
Speaker 3: each other, because even like I said, we started off
Speaker 3: last week with him basically calling me an mffort, he's
Speaker 3: still my friend at the end. So there you go.
Speaker 3: That's the formula. As far as I'm concerned. I'd rather
Speaker 3: avoid the hostility, but at least it doesn't change my
Speaker 3: life and make him try to sabotage everything I'm doing
Speaker 3: because he got mad at me for whatever reason, not
Speaker 3: at all matter of fact, we had a discussion about
Speaker 3: what we're gonna do together in the future, not long after.
Speaker 3: You're an m effort. You see what I'm getting at here. Anyway,
Speaker 3: enough out of my mouth, I've already wasted. Let's see,
Speaker 3: Oh god, fourteen minutes with this three one nine, five
Speaker 3: two seven five zero one six. I don't want to
Speaker 3: talk tonight. I want to look at whatever's on and
Speaker 3: I haven't even looked at the call in. Not no
Speaker 3: calls yet, which is another thing. We don't get enough callers.
Speaker 3: We don't get diverse callers. We're gonna have to change that.
Speaker 3: And I don't care if we fish up idiots and
Speaker 3: prank callers. We need diversity and something that moves the
Speaker 3: hell along, so it's not boring to listen to. So
Speaker 3: callers three one nine, five, two seven five zero one six,
Speaker 3: you want to call in with something different, please do.
Speaker 3: I'll give you. I'll give you extra latitude any which
Speaker 3: way you want. I always give everybody extra latitude, So
Speaker 3: that's nothing special. I got to come up with a
Speaker 3: special reward for people who come on and do something
Speaker 3: original and don't just repeat crap when they call in.
Speaker 3: I gotta do that. But for now. I mean, you're
Speaker 3: gonna do what you're gonna do. So three one nine,
Speaker 3: five two seven, five zero one six. I think I
Speaker 3: explained myself pretty well, be Pete, And I know you're
Speaker 3: over there probably waiting and falling asleep on me because
Speaker 3: I'm what I'm doing right now is boring to have
Speaker 3: to explain and explain and explain. I gotta stop doing that.
Speaker 3: But anyway, what's on your mind? How do you feel
Speaker 3: this week? Anything you want to start off with on
Speaker 3: this particular Friday, Bpte.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Chuck, I got a I got a few things
Speaker 4: right off the bat. Whether the past two days has
Speaker 4: been great. We're back out in the yard, we can
Speaker 4: function like humans. It's been wonderful. It was almost a
Speaker 4: degrees today. But other than that, I got shout outs. One,
Speaker 4: I have to watch an Olympics, and I have to
Speaker 4: say that coverage has been pretty good. But I want
Speaker 4: to call out a couple of things. One, the keep
Speaker 4: to the medal round Sunday morning. This is the best
Speaker 4: thing Sunday morning at eight o'clock, gold medal round for hockey.
Speaker 4: Men are going after it, women have already won it.
Speaker 4: And I have a special shout out for them. Now,
Speaker 4: the women's team went all the way through this one gold.
Speaker 4: In all of the games that they played the point
Speaker 4: ratio and I have to call out a goalie squad
Speaker 4: for the women's team because they are amazing. In all
Speaker 4: of the games that they played, matches, whatever you want
Speaker 4: to call them, we outscored opponents thirty three to two.
Speaker 4: Those goalies only allowed two goals the entire Olympics, and
Speaker 4: they should be called out for it. They've done a
Speaker 4: great job. So as a recap, Men's gold is Sunday
Speaker 4: morning at eight ten on NBC. Other than that, I
Speaker 4: can never stay mad at you, you crazy m effort.
Speaker 2: You know that.
Speaker 4: And we do have our differences, but I don't know,
Speaker 4: this has been going on, what six years? Seven years?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: Anger is nothing now, you know. Occasionally we have to
Speaker 4: deal with the drunken individuals that like to show up
Speaker 4: in chat and everything else. But that's part of the game.
Speaker 4: But other than that, I'm looking forward to us starting
Speaker 4: some different stuff and you know, we'll see what comes
Speaker 4: down the pike.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, that's the thing though, is I'm gonna enjoy being
Speaker 3: a partner with somebody who we can go through different
Speaker 3: emotions with I mean, and you are frustrating, and I frustrate.
Speaker 3: You know, it's a mutual relationship. And you know, the
Speaker 3: thing is, I'm trying to get through to you on
Speaker 3: certain things. You're trying to get through to me on
Speaker 3: certain things. It's not that it's not the argument that's great,
Speaker 3: it's the fact that we keep trying and that dynamic
Speaker 3: is sorely missing because if you look at other people
Speaker 3: with their co hosts and hosts and everything else, which,
Speaker 3: by the way, I really want to make this more
Speaker 3: like a partnership with you and me and try some stuff,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like we're going to try
Speaker 3: a few things. And I've been developing more of the format.
Speaker 3: By the way, I'm gonna need a little little assistance
Speaker 3: with it. I want you to contribute to it. But
Speaker 3: I've been developing different formats, different show ideas. I'd like
Speaker 3: to see us link up. I've been talking to the
Speaker 3: new Prisoner's Kid over there, number six, and you know,
Speaker 3: we might become partially hooked up to that network. And
Speaker 3: I want to do that. I want the old days
Speaker 3: of interactive interconnectivity, you know, where we have our partnerships
Speaker 3: and we spread them around with each other, and that
Speaker 3: was more interesting. That allowed for a greater share of resources,
Speaker 3: That allowed for you know a lot of us to
Speaker 3: do things rationally one way or another and still remain independent,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Nobody sponsoring us, that tries
Speaker 3: to tell us what to and what not to say
Speaker 3: and things like that, you know, and let the listeners
Speaker 3: support the thing that they enjoy. Now today it seems
Speaker 3: like you have to do a video podcast. There is
Speaker 3: no choice, even if it's just you're staring at some
Speaker 3: jerk with a bad haircut who's got a nice background,
Speaker 3: and look, I have my nice background, so I must
Speaker 3: be interesting. And I've been exploring people that basically have
Speaker 3: nothing to say, and I do mean nothing to say,
Speaker 3: but they have a whole infrastructure and they're making a
Speaker 3: better living than a lot of serious people. And then
Speaker 3: there's other people out there that are complaining that they're
Speaker 3: only making you know, just enough to pay their bills
Speaker 3: in like New York City. So you know, people that
Speaker 3: are making ten grand a month, they're going, I'm just
Speaker 3: eching by doing a podcast once twice a week and
Speaker 3: then a little little bonus extra where they have a
Speaker 3: get together on Patreon and they're bitching that only ten
Speaker 3: grand is coming in. I'm like, you know, if I
Speaker 3: got that in a year, what they're bitching about in
Speaker 3: a month, you wouldn't hear complaints out of me. If
Speaker 3: I had been able to keep some of the other jobs,
Speaker 3: that would have just restrained me to not being able
Speaker 3: to speak my mind. I'd have sixty grand a year,
Speaker 3: I'd have seventy grand a year. I'd have different jobs
Speaker 3: that added up to probably you know, I'd be making
Speaker 3: a good living. But I'm not out for the money.
Speaker 3: Yeah good.
Speaker 4: I was going to say. Part of that is just,
Speaker 4: you know, look at how the market has flooded since COVID.
Speaker 4: You know, people found themselves at home, basically locked out
Speaker 4: of their jobs, they couldn't go anywhere. People started hitting
Speaker 4: the net. That's where you saw a lot of these
Speaker 4: people really get cranked up, was during COVID, and I
Speaker 4: think they basically flooded the market. So you think about it, kid,
Speaker 4: they did, but they have a competition out there.
Speaker 3: But even with the competition, like like, let me give
Speaker 3: you an area stuttering John, who I had on the show,
Speaker 3: and that's why I released re released that interview with him,
Speaker 3: and we have a caller. I want to get to
Speaker 3: him next. But media analysis is something I like to do.
Speaker 3: And nobody ever likes my media analysis because I'm never
Speaker 3: a friendly to the right people, apparently. But I'm honest
Speaker 3: about what it is I see, and my point of
Speaker 3: view is different from the majority. So I think that's interesting,
Speaker 3: not like it's just contrarian all the time. Some stuff
Speaker 3: I like regardless, you know, and it's just I like
Speaker 3: it just because I like it. But other things I
Speaker 3: break down and I go, this is at least of
Speaker 3: interest because it's not just the same as everything else,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Anyway, Stuttering John used to
Speaker 3: be on the Howard Stern Show. He was a Tonight
Speaker 3: Show announcer. Blah blah blah. Well, nowadays he's just like
Speaker 3: a drunken idiot who gets on YouTube like once or
Speaker 3: twice a day and pretty much bitches and moans about stuff,
Speaker 3: gets drunk, drools on himself, and you know, people pay
Speaker 3: him a couple hundred bucks a day, okay to do
Speaker 3: that pretty much, that's the bottom line. He thinks he's
Speaker 3: still a genius, he thinks he's a writer, he thinks,
Speaker 3: but he really was just a stunt idiot for Howard
Speaker 3: Stern because they used to write his line, send him
Speaker 3: out to ask outrageous questions, and then Jay Leno brought
Speaker 3: him on the Tonight Show thinking he was stealing that
Speaker 3: guy from Howard Stern, and Jay Leno found out John
Speaker 3: doesn't know how to write anything. He's just a stunt idiot,
Speaker 3: so we got to feed him stuf to do. They
Speaker 3: tried to feed him stuff to do on the Tonight Show,
Speaker 3: and he went from being the announcer to the weird
Speaker 3: guy floating in the crowd, to the guy they stuck
Speaker 3: in the writer's room to see if he could write,
Speaker 3: to the guy that they just kept paying because nobody
Speaker 3: wanted to fire him because it would have been embarrassing
Speaker 3: that they let a guy go that they took in,
Speaker 3: you know, and stole off of another show. Meanwhile, he
Speaker 3: only got at his top pay at Howard Stern, like
Speaker 3: maybe thirty grand a year, which is ridiculous for any
Speaker 3: job in New York City. I mean ridiculously low. He
Speaker 3: worked for free for like five years over there and
Speaker 3: just basically made his way by, you know, being a
Speaker 3: little con artist and dealer deal maker off of the show.
Speaker 2: So he loses that.
Speaker 3: Thirty grand, The Tonight Show takes him on for about
Speaker 3: I don't know, half a million a year, okay, and
Speaker 3: he ends up building up even a writer's guild, you know, pension,
Speaker 3: and then has to go into retirement when the Tonight
Speaker 3: Show ended. That's when he finally you know, one more
Speaker 3: contract for him, and you know, nobody went to go
Speaker 3: snap him up right away on another TV show because
Speaker 3: the guy's useless anyway, he still thinks that he's some
Speaker 3: great media icon. In twenty twenty six, John, and he
Speaker 3: looks terrible, lives in Florida, His family left him. It's
Speaker 3: a whole mess anyway. Why could am I talking about stuttering? John? Well,
Speaker 3: he wrote that book and it didn't do well. I
Speaker 3: tried to be nice to him, and he was, you know,
Speaker 3: very much a prima donna. And I had to go
Speaker 3: through a whole thing to get him to come on
Speaker 3: and promise me that he would stay on the interview
Speaker 3: for at least twenty minutes on a cell phone. It
Speaker 3: was a whole nightmare to get him on. But I
Speaker 3: was happy to do it because he's a guy of interest,
Speaker 3: because he was part of a media sphere that I
Speaker 3: thought was interesting, and he was a stutterer who had
Speaker 3: to overcome that in a way and put up with
Speaker 3: basically being hired for that reason only that he stuttered
Speaker 3: and had to make a career out of it, and
Speaker 3: did for a little while. But he kept failing upwards,
Speaker 3: is all he did. Anyway, Why do I keep bringing
Speaker 3: this up? Because there is a whole universe of podcasts
Speaker 3: that has been built essentially around stuttering John. Now he
Speaker 3: thinks it's because he's such a talented star, because he's
Speaker 3: a weirdly like slow minded I don't want to use
Speaker 3: the word retard, but anyway, he's like that. But he
Speaker 3: thinks he's a genius. It's like the Dunning Kirk effect
Speaker 3: in personified. Okay, like brutally personified. You know, the guy
Speaker 3: who is who thinks he's a genius is just is
Speaker 3: absolutely dumb enough to not understand how dumb he actually is.
Speaker 3: John is that personified. Anyway, This whole universe of podcasts
Speaker 3: has now been built around him, and he thinks it's
Speaker 3: because he's a star and he's the center of the universe.
Speaker 3: Well he is, but not because he's interesting or talented.
Speaker 3: It's because they're all there to show what a disaster
Speaker 3: the guy is. So he's not you know, the train
Speaker 3: that comes a role and has you know, it's a
Speaker 3: super train. Everybody wants to see it. He's the train
Speaker 3: wreck and he doesn't know it anyway. And when I
Speaker 3: say a universe of podcasts, there's at least fifteen guys
Speaker 3: that are full time employed, okay, doing these YouTube mostly,
Speaker 3: but they also have Rumble channels and they need them
Speaker 3: because there's a whole thing where he's like striking them,
Speaker 3: trying to take down their videos. He's taking them to
Speaker 3: court because of his stupid understanding of the law. There's
Speaker 3: a whole thing that's been going on for a long
Speaker 3: time and these people, fifteen of them are full time
Speaker 3: employed with podcasts that do almost nothing but goof on
Speaker 3: him and a couple of other weird people that have podcasts. Okay,
Speaker 3: like there's an energy drink guy that does this thing.
Speaker 3: It is so bizarre. He can't possibly create a whole
Speaker 3: universe around him. But John is such a loud, continuously
Speaker 3: contributing disaster that yeah, fifteen people have enough material to
Speaker 3: make multiple shows and they're making more money. Whether you
Speaker 3: take them individually or collectively, they're making more money and
Speaker 3: more progress and media than John is okay, like by
Speaker 3: a long shot, and he's battling with them, and he's
Speaker 3: giving them you know, weird lame nicknames and all kinds
Speaker 3: of crap. Meanwhile, he's this ultra sensitive liberal snowflake John stuttering.
Speaker 3: John is that guy now, and this whole universe of
Speaker 3: guys and I'm watching it and they just live off
Speaker 3: of like thousands of dollars they get from super tips,
Speaker 3: super chats, Patrions. They got one hundred things rolling. I
Speaker 3: couldn't make a Patreon account roll for me, not for
Speaker 3: my personal stuff, and I was, you know, giving my
Speaker 3: heart and soul into my material. Well, these guys basically
Speaker 3: just sit there wait for him to drop crap and
Speaker 3: get involved in things that he talks about in his
Speaker 3: personal life. Because he makes some public his weird, disturbing
Speaker 3: and creepy behavior, they focus on that. And like I said,
Speaker 3: fifteen guys are full time employed and some of them
Speaker 3: were kind of lame stand up comics who sort of
Speaker 3: point out how lame John is, which is hilarious. And
Speaker 3: I'm watching this universe now, v Pete. How long do
Speaker 3: you think something like this has gone on successfully. Where
Speaker 3: I'm talking, these guys are fully supporting adult fifteen adults.
Speaker 3: I don't mean somebody living in mommy's basement. I mean
Speaker 3: fifteen fully functional adults. They have full time jobs doing this.
Speaker 3: They have, you know, some of them at multiple houses.
Speaker 3: Some of them have nice houses, some of them have
Speaker 3: lots of responsibilities, whatever it varies. But fifteen guys full
Speaker 3: time employed. When I have been able to full time
Speaker 3: employee anybody through my work, not even myself. Fifteen guy,
Speaker 3: how long do you think this has been going on
Speaker 3: in the world, be pete, just at a guess.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's been going on for quite some time.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, define quite some times people that are.
Speaker 4: Drawing the money or simply because they've gotten I don't know,
Speaker 4: ten to fifteen years.
Speaker 3: Okay, it has been going on for about ten years,
Speaker 3: but ultra successful. How long do you think it's been
Speaker 3: really successful?
Speaker 4: Five?
Speaker 3: Okay, so you underestimated a little bit. I am shocked
Speaker 3: to report to you that at least seven years of
Speaker 3: this has been highly lucrative and responsive. And it's not
Speaker 3: like they're the most viral thing in the world and
Speaker 3: they're getting onto, you know, all sorts of mainstream news
Speaker 3: is covering them and they're writing stories about them in
Speaker 3: the newspaper. This is just off of Reddit. Reddit sub communities, Discord,
Speaker 3: and YouTube have made this a lucrative and viable business model.
Speaker 3: They call it the dabble verse, of course, the dabble verse. Okay,
Speaker 3: And it is amazing to me that this exists and thrives, now,
Speaker 3: is it? Oh, that's probably a special circumstance, Chuck, it
Speaker 3: is not so b pte. Do you have any questions
Speaker 3: about this? Because do you see why I see this,
Speaker 3: why I believe this is so amazing. And then after
Speaker 3: I get to your answer on that, we got two
Speaker 3: callers now, so I want to get to Danny first,
Speaker 3: and then the next caller who we also recognize, and
Speaker 3: you know, whatever they want to bring up. It is
Speaker 3: random wildcard here. We may have formatted call in shows
Speaker 3: coming up soon where we're going to need formatted calls only,
Speaker 3: but the Friday night show as it stands will probably
Speaker 3: remain the open platform. Bring up whatever you want. But yeah,
Speaker 3: Danny's waiting, and also I'll just be on Jimmy James
Speaker 3: is so Danny and Jimmy James are both waiting and
Speaker 3: both people that I am considering as I go through
Speaker 3: recreating the templates in the formats here, especially Jimmy, because
Speaker 3: regardless of what I think of his political point of
Speaker 3: view or anything else, he's extremely creative when it comes
Speaker 3: to ideas about radio shows and TV shows and stuff
Speaker 3: like that that doesn't currently exist. He's actually a creative
Speaker 3: thinker like that, way more than I expected, and way
Speaker 3: more than other people who I've asked about it expect
Speaker 3: at all. Like I'll tell him I've gotten some great, original,
Speaker 3: unique ideas from a listener. They don't guess Jimmy James first,
Speaker 3: but he is the guy who has done the best
Speaker 3: with it. When I ask him a question, he'll give
Speaker 3: me an original name, an original idea, cool stuff to do.
Speaker 3: Whether I can pull it off or not is another story,
Speaker 3: and whether I have access to the things that I
Speaker 3: would like to is another story. But he's got great ideas.
Speaker 3: If I had a little bit of money and I
Speaker 3: didn't have all of my connections and bridges burnt by
Speaker 3: every psychopath that I allow and try and take care
Speaker 3: of or try and help out one way or another,
Speaker 3: if that didn't keep happening to me, I might be
Speaker 3: able to pull off some of the very cool ideas
Speaker 3: Jimmy James has given me. But either way, I got
Speaker 3: Danny in California and Jimmy James on the line. And
Speaker 3: what was the question I asked you in the first place?
Speaker 2: You see what I do?
Speaker 3: I'm nuts? Beee Pete, this is what's wrong with me.
Speaker 3: I want to explain things like a dumb ass. I
Speaker 3: shouldn't do that. No more explanations, right, just throw my
Speaker 3: crap out there, doesn't matter. My opinion matters more than
Speaker 3: anything else. No, I can't do it. I got to
Speaker 3: do something original, but I also got to do something honest,
Speaker 3: and I don't want to be a jerk, so I
Speaker 3: got to figure out a balance there. But be Pete, Seriously,
Speaker 3: if you think about this universe of weirdness right that
Speaker 3: I'm describing here, and you're accurately figuring out that it
Speaker 3: has long term consequences can continue to thrive, A whole
Speaker 3: business and a whole set of jobs can be created
Speaker 3: out of nothing just because one drooling idiot thinks he's
Speaker 3: still more famous than he is and thinks he's more
Speaker 3: important than he is. A whole universe of hack comics
Speaker 3: who are not really good at doing that stand up
Speaker 3: or otherwise all we're able to create jobs out of
Speaker 3: a podcast platform and youtubing it a lot, you know,
Speaker 3: just nothing just with nothing to work with. In my mind,
Speaker 3: it's like, hey, I've got legos, now I have a career.
Speaker 3: I mean, it almost seems like that kind of math
Speaker 3: to me anyway. But this observation, I've studied it gone
Speaker 3: over it. It's not the only example, but it is
Speaker 3: the one that it is one of the ones that
Speaker 3: I find the most remarkable. There's this other jackass out there.
Speaker 3: He calls himself the Steel Toe, so he's the Toe
Speaker 3: A lot of times. I don't get the point of him.
Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you what his deal is is that
Speaker 3: he's some kind of alternative political person, but he's basically
Speaker 3: a moron with a microphone and a bad haircut. He's
Speaker 3: making a living, not as good as these guys with
Speaker 3: the dabble verse. But anyway, what are your thoughts? And
Speaker 3: then I want to go to Danny obviously and Jimmy,
Speaker 3: and maybe we'll turn away to other things. But I
Speaker 3: wanted to enter this into the conversation because it's necessary
Speaker 3: and you're gonna hear changes coming up in April for sure.
Speaker 3: Because I know this, I have at least one partner
Speaker 3: I'm bringing with me, which is B Pete. Oh crap,
Speaker 3: Did I just lose B Pete? Oh man, Okay, let
Speaker 3: me see. We may have lost network connection, and I'm
Speaker 3: making short that my phone callers are still there and
Speaker 3: hopefully B Pete will rejoin me. Uh but I know
Speaker 3: the phone calls are still connected, so I didn't lose everything.
Speaker 3: Danny in California, are you still there or are you
Speaker 3: an illusion?
Speaker 5: I'm not a part of the depth.
Speaker 3: Okay, you're not part of the dabble verse and we
Speaker 3: are having here. Excellent, great, say whatever you want, my friend.
Speaker 6: Go.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm running a little hot.
Speaker 1: So though it seems like it's cleared up.
Speaker 3: That always happens when I connect with you now every
Speaker 3: time every time I talk to you now.
Speaker 5: I don't know what it is, and then it clears
Speaker 5: it up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, does that clear up?
Speaker 5: Or are you doing something.
Speaker 1: Out on your end?
Speaker 5: I'm just curious.
Speaker 3: Most of the time it is clearing itself up because
Speaker 3: there is automatic noise suppression and corrections that I have
Speaker 3: in place to try and filter and compress things. Okay,
Speaker 3: but it doesn't always work instantaneously because I don't have
Speaker 3: the most expensive stuff in the world, but I do have,
Speaker 3: you know, an attempt to cover the noise problems. Gotcha, uh,
Speaker 3: but you know sometimes it takes a second for it
Speaker 3: to settle down. Well it's cleared up, Okay, great, So
Speaker 3: what's on your mind?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it just throws me off just hearing myself in
Speaker 5: the background.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: It was just cougar effect or current Kruger effect. And
Speaker 5: I just I just look about what you're talking about here.
Speaker 5: Some times misunderstood is claiming that people are flowing telling
Speaker 5: us them or over confidence starting instead of describing the
Speaker 5: specific over confidence and under skoolish man I've worked at
Speaker 5: for for the last four decades.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, No, exactly true. Look, the Dunning Kruger.
Speaker 1: Effect, they just there.
Speaker 2: There's the reason why I ran out.
Speaker 3: Okay, and I did a whole thing on it on
Speaker 3: this show. I did like a complete hour on the
Speaker 3: Dunning Kruger effects some time ago. I don't remember when.
Speaker 3: Because I find it remarkable that a lot of people
Speaker 3: see people very convinced about what they say. They have
Speaker 3: a lot of confidence. I'm absolutely right. The guy who
Speaker 3: tells you he's absolutely right is usually someone who is
Speaker 3: not intelligent enough to know how wrong he is. It's
Speaker 3: the weird whip around and this is just one of
Speaker 3: those things that happens in society. This isn't pointing a
Speaker 3: stick at one particular side of the aisle or no. No.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is that if you ever notice that
Speaker 3: the guy who absolutely insists that he knows everything about something,
Speaker 3: or the guy who is insistent upon he knows the truth,
Speaker 3: he won't listen to anything else. He's absolutely right is
Speaker 3: usually the guy who knows the least about the subject.
Speaker 3: It's precisely the opposite of what is being represented as
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. And this is a long term study
Speaker 3: that kind of shows how that works and why it
Speaker 3: makes sense that the dumbest guy often thinks he's the
Speaker 3: smartest guy. And there is a connection to stuttering John
Speaker 3: in this way. He's claimed to be a member of MENSA.
Speaker 3: He's claimed to be you know, and he doesn't even
Speaker 3: hardly stutter anymore. He slobbers more on his show than
Speaker 3: he stutters, which is hilarious. I've gone in and made
Speaker 3: comments in there. I may have made more witty comments
Speaker 3: in the chat than the hosts do on the shows,
Speaker 3: and it's not hitting at all. If you go back
Speaker 3: and roll it back, and you can see in the
Speaker 3: chats where at O'Kelly, at o'celly just pops up because
Speaker 3: i lost my YouTube a long time ago, so now
Speaker 3: I'm on the Charles o'celly YouTube id. But you know
Speaker 3: who else is going to claim that? Nobody? Okay, but
Speaker 3: there is a whole universe of people participating. And by
Speaker 3: the way, listener participation is something that goes on here
Speaker 3: and contributes some of the materials. So between the listeners
Speaker 3: contributing the material directly, the fact that they have a
Speaker 3: constantly generating, you know, stupid pile of embarrassing media coming
Speaker 3: out of stuttering John, ninety percent of their show work
Speaker 3: is done. All they got to do is play that
Speaker 3: stuff and let their audience participate a little. And they
Speaker 3: do four hour long podcasts that they then cut up
Speaker 3: into little pieces and fling everywhere. And there's like five
Speaker 3: six shows that have multiple people. They got producers, they
Speaker 3: got multiple hosts, they got temporary hosts, they got all
Speaker 3: kinds of people Like I wanted to be able to
Speaker 3: bring in onto my network and have all kinds of
Speaker 3: people that might have small part time jobs with me.
Speaker 3: I really did. That was the vision in my mind
Speaker 3: is let me get producers I can pay, Let me
Speaker 3: get hosts I can pay, even if it's not a lot.
Speaker 3: You know, if I start to make millions, I obviously
Speaker 3: want them to make hundreds of thousands, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. Because if I'm doing most of the work
Speaker 3: and putting it together, yeah, I do want to split
Speaker 3: it with them within reason, But as much as I may,
Speaker 3: I want to give away. I want to pay talent
Speaker 3: for being talented. But these people are paying talent for
Speaker 3: doing next to nothing. And I don't blame them. I'm
Speaker 3: not angry. I'm in awe of the ability to do
Speaker 3: that with a straight face anyway. And they are just
Speaker 3: one example, by the bye of groups of people who
Speaker 3: are doing this for all kinds of weird reasons. You know,
Speaker 3: there are people out there and sub genres of this,
Speaker 3: and that. It's like the sports card thing that I
Speaker 3: brought up not long ago. There is a whole industry
Speaker 3: of people that just basically display and trade and sell
Speaker 3: and open packs of baseball cards on YouTube that have
Speaker 3: full odd businesses based on this. They make a living,
Speaker 3: They have other people they hire. They also have hundreds
Speaker 3: of thousands of dollars if you take the current evaluation
Speaker 3: in collectible cards that they've earned while doing this, plus
Speaker 3: a living. Okay, and it's only they're just opening up
Speaker 3: baseball cards on camera, I kid you not. I'm amazed
Speaker 3: at the minor amount of thought and small amount of
Speaker 3: expertise that can be generated into full on businesses, full
Speaker 3: on employment, you know. And I feel like a jerk
Speaker 3: for working my ass off for hours days just to
Speaker 3: pull together certain things, you know, going and getting and
Speaker 3: interviewing somebody behind the scenes, as opposed to just reading
Speaker 3: some headlines from my preferred feed. I do these things
Speaker 3: and feel like a complete moron, even though technically speaking,
Speaker 3: I do actually have an IQ that's way higher than
Speaker 3: the one that John even tries to brag that he has,
Speaker 3: you know, stuttering, John, Stuttering, John tries to brag that
Speaker 3: he's got a one forty IQ. I promise you you
Speaker 3: do a legit test on the guy, any form of
Speaker 3: IQ test, you're gonna find him to be either average
Speaker 3: or less than average intelligence. But he claims, but I
Speaker 3: also graduated in YU. Yeah, Okay, awesome, dude, No, you're
Speaker 3: a moron. You're constant moron. But again, this is the
Speaker 3: Dunning Kruger thing. The guy who insists all the time
Speaker 3: that he's smart is likely the guy who's dumb as hell.
Speaker 3: The guy in the room who claims to me, I'm
Speaker 3: a tough guy. I'm a tough guy. I'll knock your
Speaker 3: ass out. Yet ninety percent of the time that guy
Speaker 3: is a poose. You know, a we need a pooh
Speaker 3: say what, that's what he is. He's a poose, you know.
Speaker 3: The guy who's got to tell you how tough he is,
Speaker 3: how smart he is. The jerk who stands there and goes,
Speaker 3: you know how rich I am? You know how famous
Speaker 3: I am? Is usually the guy who is not those things.
Speaker 3: They're confident that they are these things. It's like I've
Speaker 3: seen women. I know I'm good looking. You tilt your head,
Speaker 3: you go listen. All God's children are beautiful, but you
Speaker 3: just barely made the list. Okay, easy. And they're women
Speaker 3: that think they're beautiful because I know, because a lot
Speaker 3: of guys are attracted to me. No, they want to
Speaker 3: bang you, and they want to close their eyes and
Speaker 3: think about the girl. They really wanted to bang while
Speaker 3: they're experiencing you. You're a tool from masturbation. Shut up,
Speaker 3: it's not you. You're not special. You are special in
Speaker 3: that everyone is special, and you might be special in
Speaker 3: the ed sort of way, but you are not special
Speaker 3: in the looks category. But somehow you've convinced yourself of it.
Speaker 3: And the ugly girl that does that is absolutely astonishing
Speaker 3: to me. The denial of reality. You know, I'm visually
Speaker 3: impaired so bad, I'm working with limited information, but even
Speaker 3: in my limited information sphere, you are way off on
Speaker 3: your evaluation of your beauty. And they're women that do
Speaker 3: it in the other direction where they think they're god
Speaker 3: awful ugly and you're looking at them going oh not.
Speaker 3: In my books, the thing is, people are terrible at
Speaker 3: evaluating themselves, and for one reason or another, are are
Speaker 3: more than happy to tell you how smart they are,
Speaker 3: how smart they are, how smart they are, when in
Speaker 3: reality they're stupid. They tell you about how they're successful,
Speaker 3: because in reality they're actually failures. The people that want
Speaker 3: to brag the people I'm a tough guy. I'm a
Speaker 3: tough guy. That is the guy I am not worried
Speaker 3: about in the room. You know, if I'm going into
Speaker 3: a room wondering who's going to be hostile and who
Speaker 3: might potentially kill me or who might potentially harm me?
Speaker 3: Going into a room and I see one guy posturing
Speaker 3: and he's got his chest puffed out, Yeah, check him
Speaker 3: off the list for who I'm worried about. You know,
Speaker 3: the guy who's loudly declaring you know what, I'm the
Speaker 3: kind of guy you shouldn't messed with because all hurt you.
Speaker 3: Now they're either stupid for saying it in ten percent
Speaker 3: of the cases or ninety percent of the time, they're
Speaker 3: not dangerous, they're just loud. And this rule holds all
Speaker 3: the way around ninety percent of these people that tell
Speaker 3: you something, they're not that thing true. So that's the
Speaker 3: Dunning Kruger effect more in a nutshell than anything. But
Speaker 3: there's more to it, and I want people to study
Speaker 3: it because I think if we start to understand that
Speaker 3: we're doing a lot of this and misleading ourselves more
Speaker 3: often than anything, you know, we might actually accomplish something.
Speaker 3: I'm not even asking anybody to agree with me. I'm
Speaker 3: asking why don't you take a look and think about it?
Speaker 3: That makes me awfully evil? And because I'm not so
Speaker 3: convinced of everything, and I'm not one hundred percent like
Speaker 3: I'm ready to fight because i know I'm right, absolutely certainly,
Speaker 3: without any question. That's not me, ever, because I don't
Speaker 3: have the sort of confidence that tells me that I'm
Speaker 3: right about everything. And it seems as though the dumbest
Speaker 3: people have the confidence to believe they are correct about everything. Now,
Speaker 3: if I'm hurting anybody's feelings, it's listening to this, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say two things simultaneously, simultaneously, sorry about that,
Speaker 3: but also simultaneously, I don't give a shit, how about that?
Speaker 3: Because hurting your feelings is not what's important. Your opinions,
Speaker 3: my opinions. People's opinions are an additive, not an entree. Okay,
Speaker 3: They're a side dish at best, and usually they're in
Speaker 3: a shaker somewhere as optional. Opinions are not that important
Speaker 3: to driving what actually feeds you the world the information
Speaker 3: or increases or nourishes intellect in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 3: But in recent years we have been taught with absolute
Speaker 3: certainty that your opinions matter way too much, and belittling
Speaker 3: other's opinions is extremely critical and meanwhile everybody ignores the facts,
Speaker 3: the realities, the results, and a lot that could be
Speaker 3: drawn off of certain things so you could properly evaluate
Speaker 3: what's happening in the world around you. Ultimately, that is
Speaker 3: the grandest and least discussed conspiracy in the world. Anyway,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Danny, I did it again, and I want
Speaker 3: to try and find out where the hell and what
Speaker 3: the hell happened to be me. But I'm gonna let
Speaker 3: you talk, and I'm gonna shut off my mic just
Speaker 3: so I can try and find him a little bit.
Speaker 3: But I want you to fill the air for a
Speaker 3: minute and talk about anything you want, Danny, and then
Speaker 3: after that, let's see. After that we have at least
Speaker 3: two other callers. They get to yea, So please go ahead.
Speaker 5: Because I give an experience about ability. I just the
Speaker 5: other night, Lazy, we went to see Van Morrison in
Speaker 5: San Francisco, the Palace of San Francisco Fine Arts, and
Speaker 5: it was an amazing show. The the music talent was incredible.
Speaker 5: If they their ability, they didn't suffer the Dunn and Kruger.
Speaker 5: They showed up and was real. It was an amazing show.
Speaker 5: He didn't playing any of us he's eighty going to
Speaker 5: be eighty one years old, and you didn't play any
Speaker 5: of his old hits. Didn't go show up to just
Speaker 5: kind of play his old hits, which I wanted to hear.
Speaker 5: But honestly, throughout the whole show, I was not disappointment.
Speaker 2: Amazing voice, Yeah, I'm listening. Where'd you go play?
Speaker 3: The special guests disrupting?
Speaker 7: Sorry wasial guests.
Speaker 5: And he was laying the person. And my wife has
Speaker 5: been a big fan for years and years and years
Speaker 5: and the show and we had a great time. It
Speaker 5: was a wonderful show. And like I said, cougar effect,
Speaker 5: which we shouldn't take it is when I know everything.
Speaker 5: Is the last song he played because he didn't play
Speaker 5: his hits, and I thought he was redoing a animals
Speaker 5: you know what it was?
Speaker 1: It was it.
Speaker 2: The same.
Speaker 5: It's the first name Escape with me singing the animals
Speaker 5: and he sung the the band and then sung Gloria
Speaker 5: and I had to I was sure it was an
Speaker 5: animal song and I was googling it after the show. Yeah,
Speaker 5: Eric Burton, that's who I thought it was a song
Speaker 5: of his. Guess what I was wrong? I learned something
Speaker 5: that was Van Morrison's first hit with his first band,
Speaker 5: didn't know it cool?
Speaker 3: Yeah, some of those guys, yeah, it was really Some
Speaker 3: of those guys from that time period are easy to
Speaker 3: confuse in my mind. And Van Morrison's one of those
Speaker 3: guys exactly. And people forget about the Animal and Eric
Speaker 3: Burden because they don't come up in the top ten
Speaker 3: of anybody's lists on a lot of things, so therefore
Speaker 3: they're sort of forgotten after time. You know, nobody forgets
Speaker 3: the Doors, but they do forget the Animals a lot.
Speaker 3: You know. It's sort of like the British invasion. Everybody
Speaker 3: talks about the Beatles and many people might talk about
Speaker 3: the Kinks, but they miss a whole bunch of other things.
Speaker 3: When it comes to black music, they forget it. Just
Speaker 3: the list goes on and on that some of the
Speaker 3: core real people that are of the most interests are
Speaker 3: sort of ignored in favor of what was, you know,
Speaker 3: more viral in its day. Now, I'm gonna explain something
Speaker 3: real quick, be Pete. This is one of the technological
Speaker 3: problems that comes up. I tried to talk to be
Speaker 3: Pete's back and I'm trying to reconnect with b Pete
Speaker 3: and this Microsoft team's piece of garbage, okay, takes up
Speaker 3: so much of my computer resources that even though I'm
Speaker 3: not trying to talk or do anything else but maintain
Speaker 3: my broadcast while I message BPTE on teams, it was
Speaker 3: totally electronically torturing what Danny was saying and weakening my
Speaker 3: ability to broadcast and communicate because my now you know,
Speaker 3: my computer, which needs to be upgraded to Windows eleven,
Speaker 3: cannot handle the stupid teams which is part of Microsoft.
Speaker 3: It absolutely gets tortured. So just to go back to teams,
Speaker 3: open it up again and send a message to b
Speaker 3: Pete dominate so much resources that it almost like doubles
Speaker 3: the problem for me broadcasting, keeping the phones connected, having
Speaker 3: a web browser open, just to turn on teams and
Speaker 3: tell BP try the team, you know, try the Jitsy
Speaker 3: link again.
Speaker 2: And on top.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just.
Speaker 4: Telling you if you had answered the phone when I
Speaker 4: lost you, I went to o'celli dot com to see
Speaker 4: if you were still broadcasted because we lost Jitsy and
Speaker 4: then you had cut teams off earlier, right, So I
Speaker 4: sent you a message. Well, I thought you're not gonna
Speaker 4: get it without teams being on, so I cut all
Speaker 4: that off and called into the show. I was the
Speaker 4: second caller you had waiting.
Speaker 3: Now you know what I had is you behind Jimmy James.
Speaker 3: So it would have taken See, we gotta, we gotta
Speaker 3: that's the thing that's We got to come up with
Speaker 3: another communication system because me telling you and Aaron and
Speaker 3: a couple other people on teams okay, ready, come on
Speaker 3: over to this other thing actually eats so much resources
Speaker 3: that I can't make it work on Windows ten anymore.
Speaker 3: It's like a hurdle to overcome. It knocks me off
Speaker 3: the air partially, it knocks away communications, the phone connection.
Speaker 3: It drained so much of the available resources in my
Speaker 3: computer through the Internet everything that I might as well
Speaker 3: just stop the show and give you a phone call.
Speaker 3: It would probably take less energy and it wouldn't sound
Speaker 3: as bad on the broadcast. That that is the world
Speaker 3: we live in at this point. So we got to
Speaker 3: figure out a way to completely cut teams out of
Speaker 3: the equation, you know, or use it like I used
Speaker 3: to use Skype, so that I don't have to worry
Speaker 3: about opening up five other things and hope that the
Speaker 3: resources bounce out. Quite frankly, the team's quality as far
Speaker 3: as recording goes, or how I have to pay to
Speaker 3: be able to record video and all kinds of other nonsense.
Speaker 3: We are better off going with a high quality, dedicated
Speaker 3: system that actually takes care of podcast communications, like a
Speaker 3: like a riverside or a freaking stream yard, and just
Speaker 3: buy an account and share it with somebody else so
Speaker 3: that it doesn't have to cost us, you know, four
Speaker 3: hundred dollars a year or whatever to have a decent package,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, get to other people
Speaker 3: to share stream yard with us, and it won't be
Speaker 3: so bad because even at forty dollars a month, if
Speaker 3: you split it three ways, it ain't so bad. Because
Speaker 3: we tax fifteen bucks a month. I'm willing to pay
Speaker 3: just to have reliable communication and recording capabilities, you know,
Speaker 3: just raw recording capabilities, not even the linestobe. You're good, sorry,
Speaker 3: but that's what gets me.
Speaker 4: I just got an email from Microsoft not two days ago,
Speaker 4: and I haven't even read it yet, but it was
Speaker 4: mentioning Skype usage, and I thought, I thought Skype wasn't
Speaker 4: there anymore. That's why we had to go to this
Speaker 4: freaking teens.
Speaker 3: It is gone. It doesn't exist well I.
Speaker 4: Got an email from him telling them that you can
Speaker 4: premium this and do that and everything else.
Speaker 3: Well it might be as I have to go through
Speaker 3: and read it, but yeah, it might be a scam.
Speaker 3: But forward it to me because here's the thing they
Speaker 3: forced me out of using the little Skype extension one
Speaker 3: and two that what they're doing is trying to sell
Speaker 3: you on buy the team's package. It'll only cost you
Speaker 3: ten dollars a month, which is how they're trying to
Speaker 3: sell it to you. But here's the problem. It costs
Speaker 3: you ten dollars a month when you buy a bunch
Speaker 3: of other products from Microsoft. So now I've got to buy,
Speaker 3: you know, their PDF program, I've got to buy their
Speaker 3: video codex stuff I gotta buy. Like in other words,
Speaker 3: you buy a bunch of Microsoft products, make yourself more
Speaker 3: dependent on Microsoft, and we'll look you up. Maybe we'll
Speaker 3: even give you teams for free. Oh and by the way,
Speaker 3: it'll actually have the features working that you want to work.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like we give away the free sample
Speaker 3: so that the free sample is just good enough to
Speaker 3: be sort of useful. You know, it's like giving away
Speaker 3: the bad coke to sell the good coke. You know
Speaker 3: is what we're doing with the drugs now, but few
Speaker 3: people are being sucked into it, and Microsoft is not
Speaker 3: getting the share of the market. They and you know,
Speaker 3: they didn't like having the Skype thing because it allowed
Speaker 3: too much independence. Uh so they want to clamp down
Speaker 3: on everything so that you know, if you have just
Speaker 3: the right teams, you can use video. If you don't
Speaker 3: have it, it doesn't work. If you have just the
Speaker 3: right teams, you have an AI transcript generator automatically, but
Speaker 3: if you're not paying us, it doesn't work, you know.
Speaker 3: So on and so forth. This is the way it is.
Speaker 3: So I'm saying we're gonna have to pay somebody to
Speaker 3: be able to, you know, do what Skype used to
Speaker 3: do for free. Let's be choosy about it and buy
Speaker 3: the best one that actually freaking works, so we get
Speaker 3: something for our money, and if we split it between
Speaker 3: a couple of guys, it becomes reasonable. You know, somebody
Speaker 3: wants to podcast once a week, which is the majority
Speaker 3: of people anymore, because they're either on once a week
Speaker 3: or they drone on for hours every day. This is
Speaker 3: their two modes of operation. If there's a couple of
Speaker 3: other serious once a week guys who want to, like
Speaker 3: you know, have either Riverside or stream Yard and they
Speaker 3: want access to it. Let's share an account and be
Speaker 3: adults about it and do that, and that'll help me
Speaker 3: a lot. But if not, maybe you and I will
Speaker 3: figure out a way to just purchase an account and
Speaker 3: I don't care if it's your account, do what you
Speaker 3: want with it, extra when you know, when we're not
Speaker 3: doing what we got to do upfront. But I think
Speaker 3: sharing a resource like that is the only way that
Speaker 3: some of us broke people who haven't cracked the make
Speaker 3: a living off of nothing code are going to be
Speaker 3: able to survive this. As you know, allegedly podcasters because
Speaker 3: and now I'm going to start saying alleged podcasters because
Speaker 3: getting together with your friends on video chat basically and
Speaker 3: bsing now counts as a podcast. No preparation, no you know,
Speaker 3: targeted information, no attempt to even keep you know, a
Speaker 3: topic relevant or study something of importance or of interest
Speaker 3: to a mass of people. Just you know, three, four
Speaker 3: or five guys get on a stream and just bs
Speaker 3: and that now counts as a podcast. I okay, that
Speaker 3: used to be that way in the Skype days too,
Speaker 3: and people laughed at it. It's like, this isn't a podcast,
Speaker 3: this is just a recorded Skype conversation, you know, on
Speaker 3: a party line. There's an old term there. They used
Speaker 3: to have things called party lines, which either you had
Speaker 3: to establish one at a time, people up to the
Speaker 3: phone one at a time, and then you'd accomplish, you know,
Speaker 3: putting six guys and six locations on one phone call,
Speaker 3: and then you either semi organized it or it had chaos,
Speaker 3: and there was usually one lead guy in the conversation
Speaker 3: or one lead girl, depending on the circumstances, and everybody
Speaker 3: else would mostly listen, but they would chime in every
Speaker 3: now and then. And that was on telephones. That used
Speaker 3: to be a thing, and some people recorded it and said, look,
Speaker 3: I have a podcast. Just because you have audio noise
Speaker 3: doesn't mean you made a podcast. There is a difference.
Speaker 3: But anyway, I'm trying to come up with a way
Speaker 3: to harness the ridiculously easy things that people are doing
Speaker 3: and accomplish something of value at the same time. I
Speaker 3: don't know it's necessarily possible, but you know, not all
Speaker 3: of us are going to be Joe Rogan. But I
Speaker 3: just think that there's plenty of room there, and I
Speaker 3: don't make a living at this. I did sort of
Speaker 3: for a couple of years, but realistically, because it was
Speaker 3: never my top priority, I failed to recognize certain things
Speaker 3: at the right time to get it across. But as
Speaker 3: I do the analysis now and I do media analysis, Yeah,
Speaker 3: this is why the direction change is necessary. You know,
Speaker 3: forget your specifics or your anger. You're willing to celebrate
Speaker 3: my positions or my opinions because that doesn't matter. But
Speaker 3: you know, think about this, there's no reason in the
Speaker 3: world I should not be making a living and high
Speaker 3: hiring other guys to make a living with me, because
Speaker 3: that's the ultimate goal I would have loved to five
Speaker 3: years ago, said to be Pete, you know what, we've
Speaker 3: been doing this for a couple of years, and you're
Speaker 3: a consistent part of this. I'd like to cut you
Speaker 3: in and here's your pay, a weekly, monthly, whatever it is.
Speaker 3: And some of these guys who are doing literally nothing
Speaker 3: of value, nothing of consequence, are able to do that
Speaker 3: thing that I always dreamed of doing. That was the
Speaker 3: thing that would have made me most happy, is if
Speaker 3: I had hired three four guys who worked along with
Speaker 3: me and produced things of value and even if I
Speaker 3: was paying them, you know, the same price that they
Speaker 3: would get for going down to you know, the local
Speaker 3: grocery store and working as a cashier. Even if I
Speaker 3: was just able to pay him that much, that is
Speaker 3: exponentially an improvement and better than what I was able
Speaker 3: to pay him and what anybody was going to anybody
Speaker 3: else was going to pay. I would love to be
Speaker 3: able to do that, you know, even though it wouldn't
Speaker 3: have been something where BP could say, oh, I can
Speaker 3: retire now because I can do radio stuff. If I
Speaker 3: was able to give him two hundred bucks a week,
Speaker 3: or one hundred dollars every week, or you know, six
Speaker 3: hundred dollars a month or anything like that, I would
Speaker 3: have been so happy and then looking forward to finding
Speaker 3: other people to hire. And the more that comes in,
Speaker 3: the better the rate I can give them. You know,
Speaker 3: I would have been thrilled with that, you know, just
Speaker 3: like I know it wasn't a fortune, but getting twelve
Speaker 3: hundred a week to do my radio show was something
Speaker 3: I really wanted, and I was really sad I lost monetarily,
Speaker 3: but I could not bend the knee and you know
Speaker 3: and do the whole listen. Even though I'm supposed to
Speaker 3: be alternative and rebellious. I absolutely fall in line with
Speaker 3: the pro Putin agenda. And also Trump is a good guy.
Speaker 3: And we can attack Democrats on this network, but don't
Speaker 3: you dare attack anybody on the right wing. You have
Speaker 3: to say that Ukrainians are all Nazis, doesn't matter what
Speaker 3: the reality is. They deserve to die. And then you
Speaker 3: can have your twelve hundred dollars a week. You know,
Speaker 3: and by the way, we're going to tell you exactly
Speaker 3: how to do your shows. We're going to feed you
Speaker 3: guests anyway, because even though we wanted you for your creativity,
Speaker 3: we don't actually want you for your creativity. So I'm
Speaker 3: a voiceover guy and I'll voice over anything so long
Speaker 3: as I don't have to attach my name to it,
Speaker 3: and I have. I've done different voices, and I do
Speaker 3: have different voices that people don't even recognize where I've
Speaker 3: signed away all broadcasting rights to what I've read for people,
Speaker 3: and people don't even know they're listening to my voice.
Speaker 3: AI is ruining that Bye the bye, because you don't
Speaker 3: need a voiceover guy anymore. You can just take a
Speaker 3: written script and you know, take note, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of very similar voices on brand new YouTube videos that
Speaker 3: are getting pumped out daily, where it's the same announcer's voice,
Speaker 3: but they can't seem to figure out the nuances in
Speaker 3: certain pronunciations. It's clearly a machine and you can find
Speaker 3: it if you carefully listen. And they've even made it
Speaker 3: so these voices breathe have the imperfections of a normal person,
Speaker 3: you know, slight inconsistencies which come along with repetition, you know,
Speaker 3: which you're supposed to eliminate professionally as a speaker. All
Speaker 3: that stuff goes on, and it just is something you
Speaker 3: can automatically put out instead of taking hours to have
Speaker 3: somebody sit and read it and get it correct and
Speaker 3: then have to edit it. You have it edited, corrected
Speaker 3: and everything in real time. In five minutes. You can
Speaker 3: produce an hour's worth of material in five minutes, faster
Speaker 3: than you can ever realistically even do a read on
Speaker 3: a script. So you know, I don't blame them, but
Speaker 3: they're also advertising it now, and in fact, I've been
Speaker 3: offered ready for this one, and I'm thinking about bringing
Speaker 3: it on the show, but I gotta be very careful
Speaker 3: about it, because somebody's showing me some proprietary technology that
Speaker 3: is going to be available and isn't available yet. I
Speaker 3: don't want to give you too many details, but let
Speaker 3: me put it to you this way, I could create
Speaker 3: hosts that are just AI driven. You will not really
Speaker 3: know the difference, I'm told. And the upgrades that are
Speaker 3: upcoming are in some people's hands already in different versions.
Speaker 3: These guys think they have a better product and they're
Speaker 3: gonna drop it out there, and it's going to be
Speaker 3: supposedly the next you know, flash in the pan. But
Speaker 3: make a billion overnight app for people to produce podcasts,
Speaker 3: books like. You'll be able to produce multimedia stuff, even
Speaker 3: the videos, you know, those AI slop videos. Imagine if
Speaker 3: you have an AI program who's just generating those for you, you know,
Speaker 3: twenty four to seven. If you need like so much
Speaker 3: content that you could give away a bunch of crap
Speaker 3: to other people, and you could probably sell your videos
Speaker 3: for a dollar apiece and that'll pay all your bills.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's amazing to me. The automated you know,
Speaker 3: the automated force multipliers I'm seeing, and I might get
Speaker 3: to play with something that actually generates based on certain
Speaker 3: things you feed into it a freestanding AI host, you know,
Speaker 3: so or co host. So I can you know, just
Speaker 3: I don't have to call BPTE anymore. I can take
Speaker 3: Bpte's voice even or a similar voice, feed it in
Speaker 3: there and give you know, like, let's just say the
Speaker 3: I take five six random shows from from the Friday
Speaker 3: night call in. I identify b Pete's voice right on the recording,
Speaker 3: and I tell it to get everything from that. It'll
Speaker 3: pick up his personality, traits, stuff he says, phrases, all
Speaker 3: that stuff, and it'll turn into virtual be Pete. It'll
Speaker 3: give them a different name, and I'll just be able
Speaker 3: to turn them on and talk to them, you know,
Speaker 3: sort of like those weird women sex spots they have
Speaker 3: out there, which, by the way, are evolved beyond belief.
Speaker 3: I was also studying some of that recently. These weird
Speaker 3: like female companion bots of all sorts, not just ones
Speaker 3: that you bang. You know, this one's good for having
Speaker 3: around and all she does is actually talk to you
Speaker 3: and make sure that she makes you feel good every day.
Speaker 3: And hey, you don't even have to feed her. You know.
Speaker 3: This one looks prettier and has you know, warm skin,
Speaker 3: to the touch, and you can upgrade, upgrade, upgrade until
Speaker 3: you have you know, I want to marry my bot
Speaker 3: going on for real and they've done that with.
Speaker 4: Everything already got that. I got a room bull with
Speaker 4: like boobs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but see for those of us that are not,
Speaker 3: you know, so easily amused, be pete. You know, wouldn't
Speaker 3: you rather your room by hand?
Speaker 4: I'll sweep the floors man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what if it could sweep the floors and
Speaker 3: it looked like your fantasy girl that you customize. You
Speaker 3: could give her, you know, the Asian face, the California tits,
Speaker 3: and a black girl's ass that ain't black. I mean,
Speaker 3: we can put it all together in one spot. And
Speaker 3: she knows every single K pop song ever made and
Speaker 3: can actually sing along to it as if she's singing
Speaker 3: along to it. I mean, how much better is she sounding?
Speaker 3: Except maybe she can set odds for you and help
Speaker 3: you with any any particular sporting activity that happens to
Speaker 3: be downloadable from the internet and be able to discuss
Speaker 3: sports with you.
Speaker 4: No no, no, no, no no no no see no, because
Speaker 4: you just blended fifteen boundaries. I don't need women involved
Speaker 4: in my sports, Okay, Let them sweep the floor. I
Speaker 4: can check the boobs out when they go by. Other
Speaker 4: than that, I mean, hookers are cheaper and a lot
Speaker 4: less maintenance.
Speaker 3: Well, but that's the thing. What if there's no maintenance
Speaker 3: after when you buy the thing, and all you got
Speaker 3: to do is flip a switch and choose what you
Speaker 3: want on that day? You know, Okay, I want you.
Speaker 4: To be you know, maintenance. Wait a minute, well, wait,
Speaker 4: no maintenance in a society, in a world that builds
Speaker 4: things out of planned obsolescence. I can't even buy a
Speaker 4: refrigerator now that doesn't have fifteen electronic chips, or a
Speaker 4: microwave that doesn't try to hook up to my home
Speaker 4: IU and my smart TV.
Speaker 1: Screw all that.
Speaker 4: You got boundaries, certain things in certain places, and I
Speaker 4: don't need to mix them up.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, I wish you would consider the idea
Speaker 3: that what happens here is that you can turn on
Speaker 3: certain things and turn them off. You're thinking the business
Speaker 3: model doesn't work. Here's the thing. You can make specific
Speaker 3: parts of this service subscription based, so you always have
Speaker 3: a baseline, and that thing maintains itself because it's smart
Speaker 3: enough to do with own maintenance. Okay, the bot itself,
Speaker 3: but you have to pay in order to have, you know,
Speaker 3: in order for it to have access to the latest
Speaker 3: upgrades for name a category of stuff it does. Whether
Speaker 3: it's you know, new recipes while she's cooking, or it's
Speaker 3: you know, new particular kink in your bedroom, or it's
Speaker 3: you know, keeping up with the latest sports and everything.
Speaker 3: You know, those are your options, so you don't want them,
Speaker 3: don't pay for them. It's like, hey, you don't want Hulu,
Speaker 3: you can always subscribe to Netflix, and you will pick
Speaker 3: one of those services eventually to subscribe to, especially if
Speaker 3: it makes your bot customizable just for you. I think
Speaker 3: that's actually a perpetual business model.
Speaker 4: I'll stick to my I'll stick to my room boom
Speaker 4: with fake moves, my boom boom.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: And some people still have a VCR and a TV
Speaker 3: that has a twenty seven inch screen that weighs one
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty. Some people are happy with that still,
Speaker 3: that's cool. Matter of fact, I always find it fascinating
Speaker 3: when I go into a house and see one of
Speaker 3: those working cabinet TVs. You know, does that thing work
Speaker 3: or are you just putting the you know, flat screen
Speaker 3: on top of it? Yeah. When it works, I'm like, Wow,
Speaker 3: that's cool, very retro, and if you want to be retro,
Speaker 3: do it. But what I'm saying is, I think somebody's
Speaker 3: a billionaire overnight and a trillionaire within months if they
Speaker 3: have perfected you know, companion bots. Really you want to
Speaker 3: check out. They have amazing technologies and amazing adjustments in
Speaker 3: this thing that it's like, Gee, would you give up
Speaker 3: you know, your your fortune or a whole lot of
Speaker 3: other things just to have this in perpetual perfection for
Speaker 3: the rest of your life and no risk of divorce?
Speaker 3: And you know what, if you're really sick of her,
Speaker 3: just freaking turn her off. And that's that murder your
Speaker 3: partner legally. I mean, that's priceless right there. Anyway, my
Speaker 3: crazy thoughts. Fine, Danny, I'm sorry I interrupted and took
Speaker 3: up your time. We still got Jimmy Jaymes on the
Speaker 3: line last night. Look, let me make sure he's still there.
Speaker 3: Yes he is. And that other caller was ub Pete
Speaker 3: after Jimmy James. So oh, no, Danny's gone. Okay, Danny
Speaker 3: probably got tired of that long rant, see because I
Speaker 3: rambled too long. But if we had a good flow
Speaker 3: and a good back and forth. I'm gonna but if
Speaker 3: we had a good flow and a good back and forth. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but you want the cure, you just want to tell
Speaker 3: me to shut the fuck up? Which one do you want?
Speaker 1: Ah?
Speaker 4: God, I don't care. He I'll bring Jimmy on. I'm
Speaker 4: up for anything.
Speaker 3: That was gonna be my solution. You know what? Tell
Speaker 3: me to shout out or tell me to move on?
Speaker 3: Na option three Jimmy James. That's where I'm going, And
Speaker 3: who knows where it'll go from there because he's not
Speaker 3: a pre programmed bot, Are you right, Jimmy?
Speaker 1: Uh? No way, no way.
Speaker 2: Hey you guys, so I can hear myself excellent?
Speaker 3: Well, I hope it's good. Have you been listening to
Speaker 3: the show, and do you have thoughts about what's been discussed?
Speaker 3: And now I'll just back off to mic hopefully and
Speaker 3: not say anything for a while.
Speaker 2: I did, but.
Speaker 1: You meet two on it a few minutes. First, I
Speaker 1: need to tell you a very important story. Sure, and
Speaker 1: I need your wife to verify this, okay, because it
Speaker 1: just so happened. She is an expert on this subject.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, I can't necessarily speak now to her participation,
Speaker 3: but I'll do my best. And did you hear the
Speaker 3: part of the beginning of the show. I just want
Speaker 3: this one question answered. Did you hear the part of
Speaker 3: the beginning of the show where I was talking about
Speaker 3: how you are an extremely creative guy and you have
Speaker 3: unique stuff to offer when it comes to suggestions about
Speaker 3: radio and media. Did you hear that part?
Speaker 1: Yes, I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: No, I just want to make sure you knew that
Speaker 3: I went out of my way to praise the fact that,
Speaker 3: even in a back and forth in emails, you often
Speaker 3: present something unique to me. I deal with one hundred people.
Speaker 3: They're crap. They just say the same things, and I
Speaker 3: feel politically you do that. But when it comes to
Speaker 3: being creative, you can be very creative, and I think
Speaker 3: it would shock people the special kind of level of
Speaker 3: creative that you can achieve and do achieve in communications
Speaker 3: with me. Sometimes I just want to make that point anyway,
Speaker 3: Now shut up, go hey or.
Speaker 1: Just h oh what U is a prairie?
Speaker 4: Is that?
Speaker 1: Or is there not.
Speaker 4: True?
Speaker 3: Okay, restate your question please, because we had a bit
Speaker 3: information uh interference. Please go ahead again, do it again.
Speaker 1: Mister Chuck. Is it the is it? Or is it
Speaker 1: not true that Kim is an expert on Lil House
Speaker 1: and the Prairie.
Speaker 3: I don't know if she's an expert, but she's pretty
Speaker 3: well informed on it on that TV show.
Speaker 1: That's what I thought. Okay, so she can uh at
Speaker 1: some point, I don't even have to be on this show.
Speaker 1: But I'm curious. I recall that she watched all the
Speaker 1: reruns during the COVID era, and I'm wondering if she
Speaker 1: recalls this one very disturbing episode of Little House and
Speaker 1: the Prairie. I will now as been.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, don't let me hit around.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, are.
Speaker 1: You getting white down at the dog?
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get Kim's attention, and I was trying
Speaker 3: to just move along and let you keep speaking. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I should have shut off my mic.
Speaker 1: That's all right. Yeah, I'm just trying. I want to
Speaker 1: see if she's by any if she's seen it, I
Speaker 1: guarantee show her. I'm number this episode. It's very disturbing singularly, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a very special and disturbing episode of
Speaker 1: litt House and the Prairie.
Speaker 3: Can you tell me which one? Just give me a hint,
Speaker 3: because I'm not necessarily an expert to know which the
Speaker 3: most disturbing ones are right away.
Speaker 4: You're not.
Speaker 3: No, I'm not an expert on everything. I'm really not.
Speaker 1: That's so.
Speaker 3: I have I have expertise.
Speaker 2: One I have.
Speaker 1: To tell you about it.
Speaker 2: This is now.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna chack a couple of the names because I
Speaker 1: don't really care a whole lot. I just find it amusing,
Speaker 1: disturbing and interesting.
Speaker 3: Jimmy for the purpose, for the purposes that for the purpose,
Speaker 3: Jimmy one one second, one second for the purpose Jimmy, Jimmy,
Speaker 3: Jimmy hang on for the purposes that this show serves,
Speaker 3: which is to have people listen to it. Do me
Speaker 3: a favor, don't change the names. We're talking about a
Speaker 3: media product from the seventies and eighties. Just go ahead
Speaker 3: and use the right name so that people listening are
Speaker 3: not completely confused by what it is you're gonna mention here,
Speaker 3: because overall this presentation is for the third party who's
Speaker 3: listening to the show, separate from us, So please don't
Speaker 3: change the names. Just get to the explanation.
Speaker 1: The expert comes out, you can clarify and or perhaps
Speaker 1: someone may just know because there's only one character that hey,
Speaker 1: this is getting way out of control. AC could have
Speaker 1: already told the story.
Speaker 2: All right, good points is the gist thing you.
Speaker 1: Got your little house situation. They're out there a little
Speaker 1: house and they're on the prairie and they're doing that thing,
Speaker 1: churning their brother, take care of the cows, slacking the pigs,
Speaker 1: doing some stuff, working hard, and the special two part series,
Speaker 1: I might add this very dark two parter. It introduced
Speaker 1: a young girl character. And why I say it doesn't
Speaker 1: really matters. She's only on these two shows and I
Speaker 1: don't remember the name, so we're just gonna have to
Speaker 1: go with Lucy.
Speaker 2: Well, anyways, young Lucy.
Speaker 1: Is out there on the little house or the prairie
Speaker 1: there doing prairie kind of things, when suddenly an evil
Speaker 1: clown jumps out and rape oh h p a her
Speaker 1: to my understanding, we're spot to say, pa, is that correct?
Speaker 3: Okay? No, essay in YouTube language eln and evil clown
Speaker 3: arrives and essays her in YouTube language, okay.
Speaker 1: This little house on very uh huh okay, horrible thing,
Speaker 1: a horrible thing to even watch. No, So Lucy goes
Speaker 1: through a heck of a thing because she got raped
Speaker 1: by uh she got essayed by this crazy evil clown
Speaker 1: in the wild West prairie days. It's just pretty crazy.
Speaker 2: Stop.
Speaker 1: Well, now this is when uh Landon's character's son, whose
Speaker 1: name I also don't know, but I can't imagine it'd
Speaker 1: be all that complicated to find out. Later Albert, we'll
Speaker 1: go without sparky Albert. Okay, Albert, so Albert anyway shows
Speaker 1: pity on Luce. Lucy unlike the town.
Speaker 2: Who still mock.
Speaker 1: Her and look down upon her for whatever reason. But
Speaker 1: so there you go. They start looking up, they start dating,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he announces, you know what,
Speaker 1: we're getting married and I'm gonna help raise this baby.
Speaker 1: And Lucy's eye is turn around forever. But then our
Speaker 1: part to the clown, the evil cloud shows up again,
Speaker 1: essays are again and chases her. She falls off a
Speaker 1: load of craps, her head and dice.
Speaker 2: Okay, well that's the story.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, what.
Speaker 1: And this is long before then?
Speaker 3: Yeah? What was the question there? That's what I was
Speaker 3: curious about. Yeah, what's the question?
Speaker 1: Does Caim remember it? And do they still chose half
Speaker 1: of one on?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 3: Okay? Very disturbing, yes, very And here's the thing it's
Speaker 3: a two part episode. Okay, the girl's name is Sylvia.
Speaker 3: You kept saying Lucy, but he couldn't remember the name.
Speaker 3: It's okay, it's not really that relevant. And it was
Speaker 3: a two part episode, episode seventeen and eighteen of season seven,
Speaker 3: And according to most descriptions, it's a man wearing a
Speaker 3: mime mask brutally attacks and rapes the sixteen year old Lucy.
Speaker 3: And it's pretty crazy. Yeah, it's crazy episode. And there's
Speaker 3: this whole thing where the clown comes back, you know,
Speaker 3: the guy into my mask comes back and everything. And
Speaker 3: because of the episodic nature of Little House on the Prairie,
Speaker 3: they are when they're played for broadcast or stream directly,
Speaker 3: they're usually they're usually played out of water for various reasons.
Speaker 3: But in this case, that episode does get played off
Speaker 3: and on, and it's pretty wild. Yeah. Now I see
Speaker 3: a picture and clown or mime could count there, I think. Anyway,
Speaker 3: here's from an article, A Little House on the Prairie
Speaker 3: was never afraid to bring the trauma, whether telling stories
Speaker 3: about alcoholism, anti semitism, racist, blah blah blah. Okay, never
Speaker 3: was that more apparent with the with Sylvia in Quotes,
Speaker 3: which premiered February ninth, nineteen eighty one. The two part episode,
Speaker 3: written and directed by a Little House on the Prairies
Speaker 3: Michael Landon, starred Olivia Barrash as a beautiful and shy
Speaker 3: young girl who, there's no way to say this lightly
Speaker 3: is a rape by a man in a very very
Speaker 3: creepy clown mask. Her resulting pregnancy makes Sylvia pariat everyone
Speaker 3: in Walnut Grove, except for kind hearted Albert Engels, who
Speaker 3: vows to marry her and raise the baby as his own.
Speaker 3: So he wants to swoop in and be the savior
Speaker 3: Albert Ingles, one of the Ingles family, of course, in
Speaker 3: the case where this girl has been raped and impregnated
Speaker 3: by a clown, and it's an evil two part episode
Speaker 3: of Little House on the Prairie. It is, to my
Speaker 3: understanding of streaming and broadcast not often replayed in most commonplaces,
Speaker 3: which stick to mostly earlier and later episodes, not the
Speaker 3: middle episodes of the show, and those rebroadcasts and restreams
Speaker 3: do not often volunteer it as part of an auto
Speaker 3: playlist or as part of a season run, or any
Speaker 3: of that stuff that doesn't happen, so there's the full
Speaker 3: description of the episode, which I just gave b Pete,
Speaker 3: so you know, because I, I know, we just rejoined
Speaker 3: our communication. I've given a full description of the episode.
Speaker 3: The year was eighty one. It's definitely of interest, weird.
Speaker 3: It's not part of the standard auto streaming or auto playlists.
Speaker 3: It is available out there for you know, you can
Speaker 3: watch it on demand wherever they have Little House on
Speaker 3: the Prairie as an option. But sometimes again the eighty
Speaker 3: one season is not even on there because some of
Speaker 3: these like free streamers and things don't even show you know,
Speaker 3: full series when they give you options to watch though
Speaker 3: it's part of their deal, you know, to try and
Speaker 3: draw you into. Well, if you want the full series,
Speaker 3: go buy something and you'll be able to get you know,
Speaker 3: full series access to not just Little House on the Prairie,
Speaker 3: but one hundred things. So that's the hook with you know,
Speaker 3: free or pay as far as like Peacock and a
Speaker 3: few other things go. But it is a weird episode
Speaker 3: that does exist. It's pretty bizarre, and indeed these things
Speaker 3: always existed, these weird political statements about traumatic, horrible things
Speaker 3: that sometimes were you know, played out terribly and in
Speaker 3: other cases were played out too realistically, and in other cases,
Speaker 3: you know, just went by without anybody noticing. Like I
Speaker 3: brought up, you know, the episodes of Good Times on
Speaker 3: this show where you know, JJ maybe has VD, or
Speaker 3: JJ's gonna marry a girl who's shooting up dope and
Speaker 3: as a heroin addict and she overdoses. You know, stuff
Speaker 3: like that, Or you know, somebody deals with the fact
Speaker 3: that they discover a family member who's been coming around
Speaker 3: and giving them presents is actually a dope dealer who
Speaker 3: is now indebted to somebody for gambling and they might
Speaker 3: get their head broken and killed because they owe money. Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: they were buying presents for the family and now they're
Speaker 3: willing to rob the family. Stuff like that goes on,
Speaker 3: and you know, Good Times is a comedy, or like
Speaker 3: when Archie Bunker, you know, faces down the Klan and goes, hey,
Speaker 3: I know I'm a racist. For you people are too much.
Speaker 3: Often writers producers decide to make statements, and they took
Speaker 3: you know, the wholesome show of the seventies eighties and
Speaker 3: decided to make ah, you know, sexual assault statement because
Speaker 3: you don't have to say essay on here with this.
Speaker 3: Sylvia episode. It is creepy, disturbing and everything. Are you
Speaker 3: bringing this up because you like recently discovered that that
Speaker 3: was part of Little House on the Prairie Jimmy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well.
Speaker 2: But sorry what you're saying, Ah, nor mind on that.
Speaker 1: Yes, I just recently read a story about it to
Speaker 1: rave and know it's still a thing, but I guess
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, it exists.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: What's even stranger is that sometimes people that want to
Speaker 3: make political points have invented stuff, you know, like, hey,
Speaker 3: there's a secret episode of this where this happened and
Speaker 3: it never happened. They're just doing it to make a
Speaker 3: political point and get people digging around about the subject
Speaker 3: and the TV show, and they just do it by
Speaker 3: putting out bs leads out there. But Sylvia is a
Speaker 3: real episode. And you can find rape episodes in all
Speaker 3: kinds of seventies and eighties TV shows, whether you expect
Speaker 3: them or not to have a rape thing going on.
Speaker 3: But rape, in the way women who been rape get treated,
Speaker 3: it has been a subject for you know, probably since
Speaker 3: the nineteen sixties on television being discussed and put on
Speaker 3: display one way or another, you know, just like various
Speaker 3: types of mental illness have gone in and out of
Speaker 3: vogue as far as you know, we're going to make
Speaker 3: a statement piece, and it doesn't matter if it's Quantum Leap. No, seriously,
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter if it's Quantum Leap or the Goofy
Speaker 3: Sketch Show or you know some formulaic bs, you know sitcom.
Speaker 3: Sometimes these producers, actors or whoever's involved just go, we
Speaker 3: need to make a statement, and they just do it.
Speaker 3: And this is Michael Landon directing that episode about let
Speaker 3: me that's what have a commentary about Reap.
Speaker 4: Yeah good, I was gonna say that's what happened to
Speaker 4: mash right before about a year year and a half
Speaker 4: before and ended when Alan Aldo was involved with a
Speaker 4: lot of the writing and crap like that. It became
Speaker 4: very preachy and people started turning the channel.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: They lost so much viewership in that last year that
Speaker 4: they decided to can it, and you know, came out
Speaker 4: with the big final episode that everybody watched, and it's
Speaker 4: like people came back to watch it as if to say, good,
Speaker 4: let's put this thing to rest, because for the past
Speaker 4: two seasons it sucked.
Speaker 3: Well at the time, I remember it as like you know,
Speaker 3: people pretty much trying to scream, please don't take the
Speaker 3: show away, because it had become such a presence in
Speaker 3: people's lives. Is such a regular thing, you know, even
Speaker 3: without the massive audience, they had a devoted following. But simultaneously,
Speaker 3: you're right, Alan Alda is like ultraliberal, touchy feelien Craft
Speaker 3: was being injected into the mash episode so much it
Speaker 3: was ruining the damn show. Which is a weird situation
Speaker 3: because look, let's just you know, take this objectively for
Speaker 3: a second. A very rough movie is made into a
Speaker 3: TV show. Now why do I say rough? It's a
Speaker 3: war zone in Korea. That's the setting. Okay, not only that,
Speaker 3: but an intense part of that setting where it's like,
Speaker 3: here's the doctors who got to try and be battlefield
Speaker 3: medics and you know, keep people alive under really rough circumstances,
Speaker 3: who were constantly covered in blood, surrounded by death and
Speaker 3: in a war zone. Okay, you know, and meanwhile they're
Speaker 3: gonna crack jokes while they're constantly facing at any moment
Speaker 3: they might be you know, shelled to death by Koreans
Speaker 3: or guess what their own people. Uh, And and it's
Speaker 3: you know, that's kind of a rough presence, uh, sort
Speaker 3: of premise to begin with, and the iconic theme song
Speaker 3: is often forgotten to have its original lyrics, which often
Speaker 3: repeats phrases like suicide is painless and you know the
Speaker 3: dentist is called painless. I know, but that's true. This
Speaker 3: is all true.
Speaker 1: I just heard, I heard an amazing little love. Hey dude,
Speaker 1: that made I would assume they made this for the film.
Speaker 1: But if after the tea, the GM was gonna pay so.
Speaker 3: See because because of communication, Jimmy, Jimmy with the music,
Speaker 3: Jimmy stopped talking for a second. Stop talking, just stop
Speaker 3: talking for a second. Because of bad communication, none of
Speaker 3: what you just said made sense. So get right to
Speaker 3: the interesting point that you were saying about the music
Speaker 3: or whatever. Just get straight to it. What what is
Speaker 3: that point you were trying to make? What is the
Speaker 3: interesting little known fact?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, is it?
Speaker 1: The filmmaker wanted to save money because MGM wanted to
Speaker 1: waste a bunch of money with the theme. He he
Speaker 1: lived really to his team at Son and said, right
Speaker 1: the most retoed.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Because and the reason why there's even lyrics on
Speaker 3: it to begin with, Jimmy is because just like a
Speaker 3: lot of people don't know this about Star Trek. The
Speaker 3: Star Trek theme has lyrics, but they never play them
Speaker 3: on TV or anywhere else. And it's because every time
Speaker 3: they use the Star Trek theme, somebody needed to be
Speaker 3: paid royalties. So Gene Roddenberry, in order to get an
Speaker 3: extra paycheck, got himself a royalty credit for the lyrics
Speaker 3: to the Star Trek theme, even though they were never
Speaker 3: going to use them on the TV show. There's a
Speaker 3: lot of weird chickanery in the music business and who
Speaker 3: they hire. And indeed, it is correct that they had
Speaker 3: somebody else write the mash theme song because the movie
Speaker 3: company was willing to put money into paying actual artists
Speaker 3: for their rights. But if you can have somebody who's
Speaker 3: you know, working for the film take the bare minimum payment,
Speaker 3: you save a lot of cash. So that was a
Speaker 3: move made there. Sometimes people are trying to exploit their
Speaker 3: roles in these things, and that might be why the
Speaker 3: lyrics are really not part of the TV show to
Speaker 3: begin with. Plus also a little tough to make a
Speaker 3: comedy show. After you play a song that's like Sue
Speaker 3: Aside is painless, it brings on many changes and I
Speaker 3: can take it or leave it if I please. Not
Speaker 3: a good setup for comedy. And that's part of the
Speaker 3: real lyrics I just recited, so, you know, just saying
Speaker 3: there's a lot of weird chicanery when it comes to
Speaker 3: theme music. But the point overall is that it's pretty
Speaker 3: much a weird contradictory premise to begin with, We're gonna
Speaker 3: go into a war zone where the most ugly and
Speaker 3: ugly things can happen. We're gonna make it into a comedy,
Speaker 3: and then we're gonna make serious statements out of the comedy.
Speaker 3: It's like the an example of bipolar whiplash in one
Speaker 3: piece of media product that was super popular and was
Speaker 3: part of the zeitgeist in America for quite a while.
Speaker 3: So I find that fascinating. Jimmy, what do you think?
Speaker 1: Way way longer than Korea. I just remember watching you know,
Speaker 1: I had like three options and they could when they
Speaker 1: played the can laughter, and I was like, this is
Speaker 1: supposed to be a comedy. I don't really think this.
Speaker 4: Is very.
Speaker 1: Very fun.
Speaker 2: The fact I kind.
Speaker 1: Of think it's depressing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what else is oddly depressing, believe it
Speaker 3: or not in its original form is the Flintstones The
Speaker 3: Wintstones was a much more serious, less canned laughter and
Speaker 3: weirder premise. Then it ended up becoming and it's an
Speaker 3: iconic show, the Flintstones, you know, longest running animation until
Speaker 3: the Simpsons came along. Blah blah blah, prime time and
Speaker 3: all that. But at one point the TV company was
Speaker 3: just making it into a giant commercial for Winston Salem cigarettes,
Speaker 3: and their whole thing was to try and do product
Speaker 3: placement in the prehistoric stuff, like, you know, make some
Speaker 3: of those you know, rock this and well, you know,
Speaker 3: I want to deal with extra rock huts and you know,
Speaker 3: and this and this kind of thing, you know, introducing
Speaker 3: these different modern aspects. It was supposed to be introduced
Speaker 3: a whole bunch. It was supposed to be a giant
Speaker 3: commercial basically, where it's like, you know, Wilma's using something
Speaker 3: that's vaguely named, like a real product to wash the clothes,
Speaker 3: and it's a laundry soap that actually sponsor's the show.
Speaker 3: And every once in a while, uh Fred and Barney
Speaker 3: would sneak away behind the house and light up a
Speaker 3: cigarette and sit and talk about the smooth flavor of
Speaker 3: Winston or the wonderful cooling, you know, menthol of sailings,
Speaker 3: not kidding. This was part of the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Stein those and hey, let me ask you, is
Speaker 1: Thearon and Uncle good and beyond tonight?
Speaker 3: Uh? Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, didn't that? Just one more thing interesting? And I'll
Speaker 1: you're from there? You tell me their narrative to the
Speaker 1: admiral known narrative house when he played.
Speaker 5: His uh.
Speaker 1: Uh uh uh uh these days? What's to tell that
Speaker 1: everyone was running around going banana, especially in New Jersey.
Speaker 1: That's the story, right.
Speaker 3: Okay, what was the opening part of it? People are
Speaker 3: going crazy? But what was the beginning of what you
Speaker 3: were saying?
Speaker 1: How did you not hear it? Which woman? Is it
Speaker 1: static or what?
Speaker 3: There are communicators. There are communication issues that keep popping
Speaker 3: up that are breaking up part of what you're saying
Speaker 3: for me and the listeners. So please repeat the question.
Speaker 1: No was it? Oh well, it's a okay. Here's the deal.
Speaker 1: I heard a counter narrative to the commonly told story
Speaker 1: or some worlds from the radio station in New Jersey.
Speaker 1: I do believe. No, actually he set the incident in
Speaker 1: New Jersey and broadcasted I believe from New York. But
Speaker 1: the commonly told narrative is that people in New Jersey
Speaker 1: were running around like bumpkins falling down manhol covers, going crazy,
Speaker 1: thinking martians were going to attack. Is that more or
Speaker 1: less how you have heard it? Or how how how's
Speaker 1: the story is you heard it? Because I earned a
Speaker 1: counter narrative that said, they think that newspapers at the
Speaker 1: time were just exaggerating what was what happened the reaction
Speaker 1: as a way to kind of sling mud at radio
Speaker 1: because it was the new medium in town. They're like,
Speaker 1: look at this crazy radio. Look what's made these New
Speaker 1: Jersey people? Do they want nuts? Thinking aliens were attacking? Okay,
Speaker 1: so there the new claim is that the reaction was exaggerating.
Speaker 3: So you tell me, okay, so War of the World
Speaker 3: you happen to go right into my wheelhouse, believe it
Speaker 3: or not, because it's been one of the most inspirational
Speaker 3: broadcasts to me. It's like, you know, looking back at
Speaker 3: why it is you want to do broadcasts because of
Speaker 3: the legend and the strength of what occurred, because of
Speaker 3: War of the Worlds and surrounding War of the Worlds
Speaker 3: as a broadcast, So let me straighten out some of
Speaker 3: the things that you said there that are just inaccurate
Speaker 3: and have been twisted over the years, so it is
Speaker 3: difficult to sort out what actually occurred here. First of all, yeah,
Speaker 3: a lot of it was set in New Jersey. The
Speaker 3: radio play, if you will, was set in New Jersey,
Speaker 3: like in Brown's Mills, and they talk about out the
Speaker 3: professor is from Princeton, and they're reporting live from Princeton.
Speaker 3: Then they report from a farm in Ocean County, and
Speaker 3: then they go to another county nearby. I forget which one,
Speaker 3: and Brown's Mills is one of those places that comes up.
Speaker 3: A bunch of other landmarks are mentioned in New Jersey
Speaker 3: towns that are a little known, et cetera, et cetera,
Speaker 3: especially during the initial news broadcasts. And you're on Wilmer's
Speaker 3: farm allegedly. So let's begin from the beginning. Orson Welles
Speaker 3: decided to put on this radio play, and it did,
Speaker 3: in fact tell people at the very beginning this is
Speaker 3: just a radio play. However, people turned on the radio
Speaker 3: and heard this thing. They didn't catch the beginning, so
Speaker 3: they didn't know the context, and there were a lot
Speaker 3: of people that did overreact to the radio broadcast. Now,
Speaker 3: it didn't cause mass hysteria, and you know, the whole
Speaker 3: town's devolved into rioting or any of that. But there
Speaker 3: were people that you know, called the police, hit in
Speaker 3: their basements, you know, freaked out one way or another,
Speaker 3: tried to collect their families together for safety, and stuff
Speaker 3: like that really did happen in real time as the
Speaker 3: broadcast went out, because they didn't listen to the beginning,
Speaker 3: the end, or even the part of the story where
Speaker 3: clearly you're listening to this guy out loud record his
Speaker 3: journal as he's writing it down. After within an hour,
Speaker 3: you know, the world has been destroyed, basically, and we
Speaker 3: are absolutely under the domination of aliens, which you know,
Speaker 3: look outside your window and you wouldn't see that. You know,
Speaker 3: half of New Jersey's on fire, and you know they're
Speaker 3: just bodies piling up locally, and the line of destruction,
Speaker 3: if you follow the story, would have gone all the
Speaker 3: way into New York, which you know, murdered a whole
Speaker 3: lot of the population with some kind of weird gas
Speaker 3: along with the rays coming out of the weapons. You know,
Speaker 3: all this stuff didn't happen, and people started to realize
Speaker 3: it didn't happen, but some people took it seriously and
Speaker 3: didn't listen to the beginning or the end, which would
Speaker 3: have clearly shown you you're not listening to something that's
Speaker 3: happening in real time. It's because they interspersed it with
Speaker 3: semi realistic sounding newscasts, and we're going to be right
Speaker 3: here on the scene and talk to this person who's
Speaker 3: a They talked to a fireman, a National guardsman, somebody
Speaker 3: from the Pentagon. You know, the fake president comes on,
Speaker 3: and you should know what your president sounds like. I'm
Speaker 3: thinking at a certain point during a news report, like,
Speaker 3: if you were well informed in the world, you would
Speaker 3: have recognized it as a fake at any time. But
Speaker 3: for people that were sort of ignorant who needed to
Speaker 3: be told what they were listening to, if they would
Speaker 3: have caught the beginning or the end, one or the
Speaker 3: other or both, they would have known what the deal was. Now,
Speaker 3: in the aftermath of that, newspapers definitely went out of
Speaker 3: their way to bash the hell out of what happened
Speaker 3: and talk about the destructive nature of the broadcast. Wells
Speaker 3: had to apologize all kinds of stuff. You know, I
Speaker 3: have to apologize for, you know, fooling people. But even
Speaker 3: during his statements he would be like, if you were
Speaker 3: actually a well informed public, none of this would have
Speaker 3: happened anyway. You know, any of the stuff you're blaming
Speaker 3: me that I inspired and triggered in everybody wouldn't have
Speaker 3: happened if people knew the world around them or what
Speaker 3: the hell was going on. He would always include that,
Speaker 3: even though he was apologizing. Now as far as the
Speaker 3: newspaper's agendas and were they going after it because it
Speaker 3: was radio, I don't buy that. And this now veers
Speaker 3: into my opinion about the situation because it is difficult
Speaker 3: to know the psychology regardless of what people said they
Speaker 3: did things for or not. But on mass newspapers definitely
Speaker 3: wrote a lot of exaggerated stories about this in order
Speaker 3: to first off, sell more newspapers, you know, read about
Speaker 3: the crazy stuff that happened, because one you know, radio
Speaker 3: broadcast happened and made the world crazy. You know again,
Speaker 3: it was the you know, slow up to watch the accident,
Speaker 3: you know, stop and stare at the train wreck. It
Speaker 3: was that kind of thing, and the newspaper business would
Speaker 3: increase their volume exponentially by being able to sell a
Speaker 3: story that you know, everybody wants to see the train
Speaker 3: wreck or car accident. So I think that was the
Speaker 3: primary motive and the most obvious and easy to understand
Speaker 3: motive here. Could there been people motivated by, let's go
Speaker 3: after radio because it's going to challenge and destroy our
Speaker 3: newspaper business. Maybe even rival radio stations could have went
Speaker 3: after that for screw CBS. We got to compete. You know.
Speaker 3: All of these things are possible, but I think the
Speaker 3: best available evidence would tell us that it was a
Speaker 3: media phenomena that was fueled by the fact that the
Speaker 3: public is ignorant, and that Wells did put on a
Speaker 3: decent adaptation of an HG. Wells novelization or the World's
Speaker 3: because that it was an adaptation and the fact that
Speaker 3: it took place in New Jersey gave it proximity and
Speaker 3: a realistic concept. For hell, we're broadcasting from New York
Speaker 3: and it's coming at us. So you could stretch out
Speaker 3: the alien threat and march toward human destruction, beginning with
Speaker 3: New York being targeted from New Jersey, which is nearby.
Speaker 3: Because at a certain point, the machines marched through the
Speaker 3: Hudson River and knock I think, knock over the statue
Speaker 3: of liberty, and this kind of thing, and these are
Speaker 3: iconic images that even in a pre TV age, people
Speaker 3: knew about and could relate to. So I think it
Speaker 3: caused problems. Yeah, I see that. That's why I was
Speaker 3: trying to close this up. But I think altogether that's
Speaker 3: the real story. But the truth is that a lot
Speaker 3: of the immediate reactions they claimed happened were exaggerated or
Speaker 3: blended together and things like that. And I think that
Speaker 3: was common in the newspaper business to first of all,
Speaker 3: sell more newspapers. I think that was the primary thing,
Speaker 3: you know, And what is the purpose of that ultimately
Speaker 3: is to make your advertising worth more money, which is
Speaker 3: why TV stations that were per profit ostensibly it you
Speaker 3: know later on, but I think radio being you know,
Speaker 3: oh it's the new kid on the block, we got
Speaker 3: to destroy it. There might have been some of that
Speaker 3: in there, but I think overwhelmingly we're stuck with the simple.
Speaker 3: You know, if it bleeds, it leads, this will sell.
Speaker 3: Let's tell the crazier story and to compete with each
Speaker 3: other more than anything. As newspapers, we need to have
Speaker 3: the craziest, latest, most extensive coverage of this bizarre, once
Speaker 3: in a lifetime event. That's what I think happened. And
Speaker 3: as I study it, and I've looked back on it
Speaker 3: and studied the recording, the events, the newspaper stuff, the
Speaker 3: media analysis, ever after statements, journals of the time and
Speaker 3: all of that, that's what I conclude. But again I
Speaker 3: told you part of it's based on my opinion when
Speaker 3: we get into the motives as to why. But I
Speaker 3: think that's, you know, a nice way to once again
Speaker 3: regurgitate and re examine it. And sure, why not, But
Speaker 3: I think overall the simplest explanation here actually works best.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think that's what it was all about.
Speaker 3: So does that answer the full question, Jimmy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to know what.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, Jimmy, not your fault. But I'm just
Speaker 3: gonna yeah, not your fault. But that's the end of
Speaker 3: that because I'm gonna I'm running into Aaron's time and
Speaker 3: I'm having trouble getting you to be clear because the
Speaker 3: digital issues, and again this is one of the things
Speaker 3: I talked about at the top of the show. Bet Pete,
Speaker 3: I'll just give you the final word and try to
Speaker 3: get over to Aaron Franz in the Age of Transitions,
Speaker 3: which will begin as soon as I close out this
Speaker 3: stream and hook up with Aaron.
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