WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.640 --> 00:00:02.960 This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI 2 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:05.879 AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand 3 00:00:05.960 --> 00:00:07.639 on the iHeartRadio. 4 00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:11.240 AP Gary and Shannon, would you like or share on 5 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:16.199 one of the prisons in l Salvador? Question mark, if 6 00:00:16.239 --> 00:00:20.800 you saw a story about a prison in El Salvador, 7 00:00:21.120 --> 00:00:22.640 would you like or share that? 8 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:23.800 And why and why not? 9 00:00:25.879 --> 00:00:27.440 I'm not sure what the question. 10 00:00:27.440 --> 00:00:29.600 I think the question is is because you and I 11 00:00:29.719 --> 00:00:33.759 both alluded to the fact that prison in Al Salvador 12 00:00:34.359 --> 00:00:37.799 is not a club fed place to be. It's not 13 00:00:37.840 --> 00:00:41.560 an easy amount of time to serve. I would imagine 14 00:00:41.679 --> 00:00:43.520 wants us to show our math. He wants us to 15 00:00:43.560 --> 00:00:44.759 show our math on that. 16 00:00:45.320 --> 00:00:48.600 One place to look. I saw a report from earlier 17 00:00:48.679 --> 00:00:51.640 this morning on CNN. David Culver, one of the reporters, 18 00:00:51.640 --> 00:00:54.679 spent some time in a place called say Kote, one 19 00:00:54.679 --> 00:01:00.640 of the high security facilities that is terrifying. They actually 20 00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:04.599 call it a prison for terrorists, a correctional center for terrorists. 21 00:01:04.879 --> 00:01:07.640 But again that was on CNN. That's that's easy to 22 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:09.439 look up. David Culver is the reporter's name. 23 00:01:09.480 --> 00:01:14.760 Gary, you are just the weirdest personality. I can't I 24 00:01:14.760 --> 00:01:16.640 can't put my finger on it. But you know you 25 00:01:16.760 --> 00:01:18.159 got like you got. 26 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:18.319 No. 27 00:01:20.359 --> 00:01:22.000 I don't know if empathy is a right worry, but 28 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:24.519 you're just I don't know. You're just out there. You're 29 00:01:24.560 --> 00:01:28.560 almost as bad as handle whoa. You know, You're just 30 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:33.200 no empathy or anything from anybody, just all you you, you, 31 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:35.599 you you? 32 00:01:35.640 --> 00:01:35.760 Oh. 33 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:38.560 Do you get that from me? You're here four hours 34 00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:40.599 a day? No, I do not. Are you saying that 35 00:01:40.680 --> 00:01:44.159 just because I'm sitting here? No, you're not selling that. 36 00:01:44.480 --> 00:01:46.920 I absolutely don't get that from you. 37 00:01:47.159 --> 00:01:48.280 But I can always count on Gilt. 38 00:01:48.480 --> 00:01:49.200 I will say this. 39 00:01:49.359 --> 00:01:56.760 Sometimes you mask or hide said empathy, but it exists. 40 00:01:57.159 --> 00:01:59.040 You can always count on Gary and Channon to be 41 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:01.879 anti work from oh for the Live Listen, we were 42 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:04.519 always on the trajectory for work from home. It was 43 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:07.120 inevitable that was going to happen at some point. The 44 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:11.000 pandemic just expedited it. And you know what, not every 45 00:02:11.159 --> 00:02:13.680 single person needs to be in the office. 46 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:14.319 That's what we said. 47 00:02:14.319 --> 00:02:16.439 If you have a job that you don't require to 48 00:02:16.479 --> 00:02:18.199 be in the office, there's no reason for you to 49 00:02:18.240 --> 00:02:20.960 be on the roads, clogging up the roads, so on 50 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:23.080 and so forth. Work from home be done. 51 00:02:22.879 --> 00:02:25.520 With this sounds like someone who's well socialized and in 52 00:02:25.560 --> 00:02:26.319 his underwear. 53 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:28.599 What else is going on? 54 00:02:29.759 --> 00:02:36.080 Time for what's happening? I can see the cheeto stains 55 00:02:36.120 --> 00:02:37.560 on your tee shir, that's me. 56 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:42.199 That's what we did say. You can work from home. Great, 57 00:02:42.280 --> 00:02:45.199 I said, it works for you. It was fantastic. But 58 00:02:45.639 --> 00:02:51.000 don't fool yourself into shoehorning your way into a work 59 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:55.879 from home position when you don't have one. And it's 60 00:02:56.280 --> 00:03:00.240 very rare to have a work from home position that 61 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:03.719 is successful if you've got one. More power to you 62 00:03:03.879 --> 00:03:08.080 and luck be on your side for with from evermore 63 00:03:08.759 --> 00:03:13.560 or something. Rain's coming in, Rain's coming in later tonight. 64 00:03:13.639 --> 00:03:16.840 We'll see cooler temperatures tonight into tomorrow and then Thursday 65 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:19.879 night into Friday night, another batch of rain. That of 66 00:03:19.879 --> 00:03:22.360 course means PCH is going to close again just after 67 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:27.439 it reopens. They said that they will close the beginning 68 00:03:27.479 --> 00:03:32.280 three am only essential workers, law enforcement, utility cruiser recover 69 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:38.159 agencies on Pacific Coast Highway that is between Chautauqua and 70 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:41.120 Carbon Beach. Terrace Palisades residents are going to be able 71 00:03:41.159 --> 00:03:43.439 to access their homes via Chautauqua. 72 00:03:43.879 --> 00:03:45.319 If you've got the right. 73 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:50.560 There you go again with all your information, just you, you, you. 74 00:03:50.120 --> 00:03:50.280 You. 75 00:03:52.439 --> 00:03:57.800 Donations are still coming into fire Aid. Mildly offended by 76 00:03:57.800 --> 00:04:01.280 that on your behalf or gonna as a UUU person? 77 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:02.919 I can tell you you are not a u u 78 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:07.639 U person. Organizers of last week Star Studied fire Aid 79 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:10.199 benefit concerts say that they're going to raise more than 80 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:13.039 one hundred million dollars for LA wildfire recovery. 81 00:04:13.080 --> 00:04:15.520 Pretty crazy, yeah. 82 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:18.720 A couple of prosecutors from the DA's office who recommended 83 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:22.399 the release of the Menendez brothers say they were then 84 00:04:22.519 --> 00:04:26.839 demoted by the new DA Nathan Hakman, and then defamed, 85 00:04:26.920 --> 00:04:28.839 they alleged, by one of his close allies. 86 00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:32.199 Oh come on, this is what happens in a lot 87 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:35.160 of offices. If you are going to do the bidding 88 00:04:35.319 --> 00:04:38.680 for the predecessor and some but a new boss comes in, 89 00:04:38.759 --> 00:04:40.879 you probably are not going to have the same job 90 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:45.399 you had under a guy with wildly different agenda ideas. 91 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:48.519 They said, after Hawkman won over Gascon, they were demoted 92 00:04:48.560 --> 00:04:51.319 to lower roles in the DA's office, mocked and ridiculed 93 00:04:51.319 --> 00:04:56.600 in online posts made by Deputy d John Lewin. It's 94 00:04:56.639 --> 00:04:58.879 not unusual for the new DA to shuffle decks when 95 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:02.600 assuming office. Because by the way, that's what George Gascone did, 96 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:06.199 what they all did and received praise for it. Remember right, 97 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:10.120 oh keto key. 98 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:14.120 Jurors just now this coming in. Jurors have reached a 99 00:05:14.240 --> 00:05:17.720 verdict in the trial of that producer in Hollywood, David Pierce. 100 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:20.480 This was the guy charged with murder and the drug 101 00:05:20.519 --> 00:05:24.199 overdosese of the two young women a model in her friend. 102 00:05:25.079 --> 00:05:29.800 Verdict expected to be read within about an hour. They 103 00:05:29.839 --> 00:05:33.000 did not reach a verdict on charges against a codefendant 104 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:35.279 who's accused of being an accessory after the fact. But 105 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:37.600 these were the two girls who went out in Hollywood. 106 00:05:37.639 --> 00:05:40.040 They went to an after hours party, then they went 107 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:43.399 to this guy's house. Some more drugs were taken, and 108 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:47.480 they were both dropped off at a couple hospitals by 109 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:51.319 guys in masks that said that they were good Samaritans. 110 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:55.959 And so it's interesting to me because even if these 111 00:05:56.199 --> 00:06:00.519 women took the drugs at their own behest, is it 112 00:06:01.160 --> 00:06:03.879 the dude's fault that he dropped them off with a pulse? 113 00:06:04.160 --> 00:06:04.800 Did he wait to? 114 00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:08.040 I mean, I don't know, I don't know where blame 115 00:06:08.199 --> 00:06:11.480 comes with that kind of a situation. Were they drugged 116 00:06:11.560 --> 00:06:14.759 or did they take the drugs on their own? All 117 00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:17.639 of that probably came into I'm sure that they I 118 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:20.759 think the evidence that I remember was they were partying, 119 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:22.399 they were taking drugs on their own, went to the 120 00:06:22.399 --> 00:06:24.759 house for the after party, and then things went sour 121 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:27.959 whatever way, too many drugs, but both ended up dead. 122 00:06:28.079 --> 00:06:29.680 And he has a response? What response? 123 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:31.560 What responsibility does he have? 124 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:32.079 Right? 125 00:06:32.199 --> 00:06:36.120 Interesting wide receiver Cooper cup says, the Rams are trying 126 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:39.519 to trade him. He's been with the Rams for eight years. 127 00:06:39.519 --> 00:06:40.240 How old is he now? 128 00:06:40.360 --> 00:06:43.360 Yeah, he was a little old. Oh. 129 00:06:43.439 --> 00:06:45.680 I would just say for a wide receiver, you didn't 130 00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:47.000 get to be thirty one thirty two. 131 00:06:47.120 --> 00:06:48.040 I'm assuming he is. 132 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:50.879 What has he fallen off? I thought this year he 133 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:52.040 had a relatively good year. 134 00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:55.920 I mean, Pooka Nakoup is probably outpacing him and gets 135 00:06:55.959 --> 00:06:57.360 a shelf life. 136 00:06:57.360 --> 00:06:59.000 But he was offensive Player of the Years just a 137 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:01.439 few years ago. Twenty one. 138 00:07:01.680 --> 00:07:04.079 Yeah, that's a long time in wide receips, in any 139 00:07:04.319 --> 00:07:09.040 wild players years maybe unless you're alignment. The waffle house 140 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:13.720 is adding an egg surcharge to underline the bird flew 141 00:07:13.959 --> 00:07:17.720 egg shortage situation. If the waffle house does it. You 142 00:07:17.759 --> 00:07:21.480 know it's a problem when the waffle house closes. 143 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:23.040 You know that the the hurricane is coming. 144 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:28.319 Fifty cents per egg surcharge to all menus. It's funny 145 00:07:28.360 --> 00:07:29.800 because I don't eat eggs all the time. I do 146 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:32.240 love the eggs, but I've been craving eggs because I 147 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:34.240 know I can't get them, because that's just my little 148 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:35.120 contrarian mind. 149 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:37.240 Because you're seeing the headlines about them all, seeing them 150 00:07:37.279 --> 00:07:39.000 all the time, and you think to yourself, boy, those 151 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:45.680 expensive eggs must eggs. Big orexia is considered a psychological condition, 152 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:49.480 a type of body dysmorphic disorder, which involves a distorted 153 00:07:49.519 --> 00:07:54.079 self image that focuses specifically on your muscle size and 154 00:07:54.120 --> 00:07:57.240 your physical appearance. Now they call it big orexia. 155 00:07:57.560 --> 00:08:00.720 They say the afflicted person is obsessed with becoming more 156 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:04.279 muscular and preoccupied with the idea that their body isn't 157 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:07.360 brawny enough, even if they actually have the physique of 158 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:08.240 a bodybuilder. 159 00:08:08.839 --> 00:08:10.600 I was gonna say with boys. 160 00:08:10.680 --> 00:08:14.480 They say this is is on the rise, particularly among boys. 161 00:08:14.519 --> 00:08:18.279 But I remember my brother, for example, when he was 162 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:20.199 in high school, trying to bulk up just because he 163 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:22.920 was scared. You know, boys go through that growth sport 164 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:26.600 thirteen fourteen fifteen, and they sprout up like a weed 165 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:29.680 and then they're skinny, and then if they want to 166 00:08:29.680 --> 00:08:32.039 be in sports, or they were into sports, suddenly it's 167 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:34.960 kind of more difficult, especially with physical sports. 168 00:08:34.759 --> 00:08:38.720 And with the difference between just different people at different ages, right. 169 00:08:38.720 --> 00:08:40.639 I mean, you could have a we had a kid 170 00:08:40.639 --> 00:08:43.200 in our eighth grade class. We had a mustache. I 171 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:46.399 mean he was six feet two probably at a mustache. 172 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:49.159 And now he works Wednesday mornings at the Star Garden 173 00:08:49.240 --> 00:08:50.000 as the bouncer. 174 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:52.639 But they were also when you get to high school, 175 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:58.919 the difference is that much greater, right, because you have 176 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:02.080 kids who developed you're thirteen, fourteen fifteen. When you get 177 00:09:02.120 --> 00:09:05.399 into high school and you've got kids that are seniors 178 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:10.080 that are seventeen, eighteen nineteen in some cases, and they've 179 00:09:10.159 --> 00:09:12.919 done all the growth, they've been in football for fourty years, 180 00:09:12.960 --> 00:09:15.080 they've been working out the whole time, and they just 181 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:17.279 don't look the way you do, and you think that 182 00:09:17.279 --> 00:09:22.240 that's what you should look like. The issue becomes the 183 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:26.080 infatuation with that sort of body type. And as much 184 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:28.960 as anarexia is a big thing where you constantly feel 185 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:33.679 like you're bigger than you actually are. The big eurexia 186 00:09:34.240 --> 00:09:38.080 makes it seem like you constantly believe you're smaller than 187 00:09:38.120 --> 00:09:40.840 you actually are. And when you lift weights like that 188 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:45.360 at that young and age, you do some potential damage 189 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:48.879 to not just physically damage to your muscles and your bones, 190 00:09:49.360 --> 00:09:52.440 but you could really screw yourself up mentally. 191 00:09:53.240 --> 00:09:55.720 I know that there's this big push on social media, 192 00:09:55.799 --> 00:09:58.840 YouTube or whatever for skincare. One of my girlfriends she 193 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:01.559 has a ten year old daughter her and she says that, 194 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:05.840 you know, her daughter's very much into skincare routines, and 195 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:07.600 she's like, I try to tell her she doesn't need 196 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:10.320 that right now that she's maybe even doing more damage. 197 00:10:10.360 --> 00:10:13.919 She's in exfoliators and things like that, which can it 198 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:16.559 certainly just actually lead to acne and things that you 199 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:18.600 normally would not have had if you didn't mess with 200 00:10:18.639 --> 00:10:21.039 the pH balance or whatever it is going off with 201 00:10:21.120 --> 00:10:21.600 your skin. 202 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:24.279 And I'm wondering if that's all. 203 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:26.799 I mean, it happens with every generation, right there's a 204 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:29.879 push to get kids into X, Y or Z whatever 205 00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:33.919 is being advertised at the moment, but you know there's 206 00:10:34.120 --> 00:10:37.720 I read an article the other day about kids pretty 207 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:41.960 pubescent girl's birthday parties at Sephora. Okay, you know it's like, 208 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:45.960 you know, I wasn't allowed to wear makeup in junior high. 209 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:48.200 I don't think even you know, And it's like now 210 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:50.480 it's you know, you're you're eleven years old and you're 211 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:54.600 having your skincare routine and your makeup and all that 212 00:10:54.679 --> 00:10:56.080 done is wild. 213 00:10:56.679 --> 00:10:57.519 The reference. 214 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:01.080 I wonder if boys are being made to buy like 215 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:03.679 protein powders and things like that. I'm just wondering because 216 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:06.039 it used to be like, you're in your twenties when 217 00:11:06.080 --> 00:11:07.799 guys were into that kind of thing, and now I 218 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:09.759 just wonder if if the needles moved to make. 219 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:11.039 It it's shifted even younger. 220 00:11:11.159 --> 00:11:11.480 Yeah. 221 00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:15.720 Well, they refer to Hugh Jackman as a celebrity influencer, 222 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:18.039 not through his not that he's trying to be, but 223 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:20.320 that just who he is and the movies that he's 224 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:24.039 been in and his notoriety. He influences people's decisions. But 225 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:28.559 remember Hugh Jackman when he's training for Wolvergarine, for example, 226 00:11:29.080 --> 00:11:33.960 he trains for hours a day, he undergoes supervised dehydration 227 00:11:34.120 --> 00:11:38.360 regimens to transform his body. But if you're fifteen years old. 228 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:40.080 You think I could do that? 229 00:11:40.279 --> 00:11:40.480 Yep. 230 00:11:40.840 --> 00:11:44.759 You don't have the will power or the intelligence to 231 00:11:44.759 --> 00:11:47.759 figure out a lot of times, you don't to figure 232 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:50.519 out what is nutritious for your body. You see that 233 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:54.360 he does dehydration regimen, so you try to do the 234 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:57.000 same thing. I remember wrestlers in our high school. I 235 00:11:57.000 --> 00:11:59.200 assume this is still going on. Wrestlers in our high 236 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:01.559 school when they were trying to make weight would have 237 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:05.480 the most ridiculous, totally practices. 238 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:06.960 Well, and they would show up to school in three 239 00:12:06.960 --> 00:12:09.799 pairs of sweats, three pairs of sweats, and the bottom 240 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:12.720 layer the closest to their skin is a garbage bag, 241 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:14.519 so that they would sweat it all out and then 242 00:12:14.720 --> 00:12:15.879 you know, maintain that heat. 243 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:19.279 Then they would constantly spit into cups because they thought 244 00:12:19.360 --> 00:12:23.919 the reducing their saliva volume was gonna was going to 245 00:12:24.360 --> 00:12:27.159 impact their weight enough that it was going to make them, 246 00:12:27.240 --> 00:12:28.440 you know, get the weight class that. 247 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:28.960 They wanted to. 248 00:12:29.360 --> 00:12:35.840 And while the wrestling coach, mister Pliler never encouraged that, 249 00:12:36.279 --> 00:12:40.159 he also didn't discourage it right, And then the rumors 250 00:12:40.159 --> 00:12:41.519 got you know, I could do this thing where I 251 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:43.480 would I could go, I could go throw up a 252 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:45.759 couple times before I wad in or I could do this, 253 00:12:45.879 --> 00:12:47.240 or I'm not going to eat for a day and 254 00:12:47.279 --> 00:12:50.679 a half before I have this ridiculously difficult wrestling marriage. 255 00:12:50.679 --> 00:12:54.519 If you're interested, there's a great TV series called Kingdom. 256 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:58.679 I believe it was maybe ten years ago about MMA. 257 00:12:58.960 --> 00:13:04.360 Yeah dropping away and really was eye opening. Yeah, maybe 258 00:13:04.360 --> 00:13:06.799 I should be an MMA fighter. 259 00:13:06.879 --> 00:13:09.600 You've got to be able to say it first, right, So. 260 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:15.559 No, Well, one of the survivors of the fire happened 261 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:22.320 to be one seventy five seventy five Pacific Coast Highway. 262 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:29.879 It is a nineteen twenties Mediterranean style home, imposing architecture 263 00:13:29.879 --> 00:13:31.960 it is said to have and it is the scene 264 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:34.440 of our True Crime Tuesday. 265 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:38.919 The story is true, that's true. 266 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:40.840 No, it sounds made up. 267 00:13:40.919 --> 00:13:46.720 I don't know. Perry and Shannon present True Crime. 268 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:48.919 Now. 269 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:52.840 One seventy five seventy five pch has stood for almost 270 00:13:52.879 --> 00:14:00.279 one hundred years. It has lasted the test of time. 271 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:03.519 Many stories come out of this property as well. Like 272 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:08.879 I said, it's a Mediterranean style building, arches resembling gateways 273 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:12.360 to a lost world. You've driven by it, but not 274 00:14:12.480 --> 00:14:16.559 everybody who was driven by it knows the story of Thelmatod. 275 00:14:17.519 --> 00:14:22.120 Thelma Tod died mysteriously one cold night in nineteen thirty 276 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:27.240 five in the foggy streets of castele Mayre above. 277 00:14:27.639 --> 00:14:29.240 Is that how I say It's still a mayor. 278 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:33.080 At the time, it was one of the most widely 279 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:37.799 covered stories in LA history. Her last night was haunted, 280 00:14:38.519 --> 00:14:44.440 and it has confounded La for almost a century. It 281 00:14:44.519 --> 00:14:50.799 was December sixteenth, nineteen thirty five, and Thelmatad was twenty nine. 282 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:53.559 She was leaving home for a party with her mother. 283 00:14:55.960 --> 00:15:00.799 She descended the stairs in her beautiful Glowe slimmering blue 284 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:04.639 evening gown, blue heels, and mink coat draped around her shoulders. 285 00:15:06.519 --> 00:15:10.039 Her chocolate brown Lincoln convertible was parked in the streets 286 00:15:10.159 --> 00:15:14.679 above the restaurant, the sidewalk cafe there that was actually 287 00:15:14.919 --> 00:15:21.960 called the Velmouth Todd Sidewalk Cafe. It was her car, 288 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:25.360 the Lincoln, in the garage of her lover and business partner, 289 00:15:25.440 --> 00:15:27.440 filmmaker Roland West. 290 00:15:27.879 --> 00:15:29.879 He puts Helma Todd. 291 00:15:29.799 --> 00:15:31.919 And her mother into the car for the night, and 292 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:36.000 he tells her to be back by two am because 293 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:37.200 remember they're going to a party. 294 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:39.159 She was going to drop her mom off on sunset 295 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:39.639 on the way. 296 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:42.919 She gives him a look, rolls her eyes and says, well, 297 00:15:42.919 --> 00:15:44.440 then I'll be back at two five. 298 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:48.600 Well, he says, just so you know, the door's going 299 00:15:48.679 --> 00:15:52.320 to be locked into Missy or something along those lines. 300 00:15:54.039 --> 00:15:56.600 Uh. This party. 301 00:15:57.120 --> 00:15:59.360 They had become business partners, by the way, when they 302 00:15:59.399 --> 00:16:03.960 opened a cafe on the ground floor of a community 303 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:06.480 center for a sort of a neighborhood that never really 304 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:10.159 took off over there. It was far enough away from 305 00:16:10.840 --> 00:16:14.879 the amenities of Hollywood and the burgeoning West Side of 306 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:19.159 la that it never really gained the sort of notoriety 307 00:16:19.159 --> 00:16:21.919 that it would decades later after the heydays of Hollywood, 308 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:25.759 after the Depression, et cetera. So nineteen thirty four they 309 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:30.320 opened this Thelmatod's sidewalk cafe and hoping that it would 310 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:33.279 draw people from Hollywood down around the corner of the 311 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:36.440 Palisades and get them some tourism business. 312 00:16:36.440 --> 00:16:40.480 Among other things. She was the hostess of the restaurant. 313 00:16:40.519 --> 00:16:43.399 She would welcome people with this warmth that they had 314 00:16:43.440 --> 00:16:46.840 seen her display as her career as an actress on screen, 315 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:49.519 and for about a year and a half they actually 316 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:53.480 said this was sort of a great description, a great 317 00:16:53.519 --> 00:16:55.879 example of what could happen post depression. 318 00:16:56.120 --> 00:16:59.600 They say that this was an early vision of everything 319 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:05.160 that Pasific Palisades would eventually represent. A glamorous and close 320 00:17:05.240 --> 00:17:07.480 knit community in Paradise. 321 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:11.880 Yeah, close knit because, among other things, Roland West's first wife, 322 00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:15.440 whom he was estranged from, still lived in his house. 323 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:18.960 She stayed in a tower above the house, and he 324 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:21.359 moved into the living quarters above the cafe so he 325 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:23.400 could keep an eye in the business. But of course 326 00:17:23.920 --> 00:17:29.039 she Felma Todd moves into her own quarters, also on 327 00:17:29.119 --> 00:17:30.279 the second floor. 328 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:30.920 Hmmm. 329 00:17:31.960 --> 00:17:36.000 And while they weren't married, they were probably doing married things. 330 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:38.400 Now, who was Selma Todd? Well, she had been a 331 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:42.079 film star since nineteen twenty five, so for about ten years. 332 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:46.039 After she left her career as a school teacher in Massachusetts, 333 00:17:46.079 --> 00:17:49.480 she signed with Paramount. She was known for her work 334 00:17:49.519 --> 00:17:52.720 in comedy. She would play the straight woman with the beauty. 335 00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:57.880 She was a foil. She was in Laurel and Hearty things. 336 00:17:57.880 --> 00:18:00.000 She worked with the Marx Brothers and things like that. 337 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:04.000 They say that she kind of embodied the emergency, emerging 338 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:09.319 kind of modern woman. That she played socialites, but socialites 339 00:18:09.319 --> 00:18:13.519 with an elegant knowingness and wit that they say, would 340 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:16.759 become the hallmark of people like Carol Lombard, Jean Harlowe. 341 00:18:17.279 --> 00:18:19.440 They said that her beauty was as classical as the 342 00:18:19.519 --> 00:18:24.960 statue of Venus. She had become though America's ice cream blonde. 343 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:29.599 She was the epitome of new society. So that's where 344 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:35.200 she was when she was operating this sidewalk cafe with 345 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:37.880 the lever Roland West, with the ex wife and the 346 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:38.759 tower above. 347 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:40.960 So she. 348 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:48.720 Goes to the party December sixteenth, nineteen thirty five. Her 349 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:52.200 chauffeur drives her to the Trocadero nightclub on sunset for 350 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:56.920 this party thrown by a couple of high profile actors 351 00:18:57.519 --> 00:18:59.759 and their daughter, a seventeen year old daughter, the future 352 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:03.119 actor Ida Lupino. So she goes from table to table. 353 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:06.279 She's a star, she's been in movies. She's saying hello 354 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:11.160 to everybody. She sees her ex husband there, Pat the Chichio, 355 00:19:11.440 --> 00:19:17.480 the chicchio, the Chichio, Chichio. I think we learned okay. 356 00:19:17.680 --> 00:19:18.880 He was an actor's agent. 357 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:21.400 He was a full time mob guy turned playboy, been 358 00:19:21.440 --> 00:19:24.400 pretty cruel to her during their marriage and when they divorced, 359 00:19:24.920 --> 00:19:27.039 that's when she went over and started hooking up with 360 00:19:27.160 --> 00:19:31.359 Roland West. Well, they said that a bunch of people 361 00:19:31.400 --> 00:19:35.440 said that they appeared to kind of have bitterness between them, Yeah, 362 00:19:35.480 --> 00:19:36.720 because it's their exes. 363 00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:38.880 Well, and he had a date with him, and he 364 00:19:38.920 --> 00:19:43.599 shouldn't even have been invited to that party. Allegedly, some 365 00:19:43.720 --> 00:19:46.880 say that she just left, that Thelmatad just left, but 366 00:19:46.960 --> 00:19:50.799 some did report the bitterness that you talk about. That 367 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:55.200 the daughter of the Stars throwing the party later testified 368 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:58.920 that she and Uh and Thelma Toad had a private 369 00:19:58.960 --> 00:20:03.519 conversation in the loo, where Thelma Todd had been beside herself, 370 00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:04.880 very upset over the whole thing. 371 00:20:05.720 --> 00:20:08.559 So she eventually goes back out to her car. It's 372 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:11.720 about three in the morning. She slides into the backseat. 373 00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:15.759 Her chauffeur says that she is unusually quiet. They say 374 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:17.799 they don't know how much champagne that she had. It 375 00:20:17.799 --> 00:20:19.440 would have been anybody's guess. 376 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:22.480 So he offers. 377 00:20:22.519 --> 00:20:25.480 The chauffeur offers to drop her off at her house, 378 00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:28.880 and she asks to be let out just past where 379 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:33.720 sunset meets pch Again. This is nineteen thirty five. There's 380 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:36.920 no street lights out there. The only sound is the 381 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:39.799 wind through the cypress trees, the waves crashing just a 382 00:20:39.880 --> 00:20:43.359 short time to just short short distance south. It was 383 00:20:43.400 --> 00:20:46.160 a little after three forty five. In her evening gown, 384 00:20:46.599 --> 00:20:49.039 she climbs up that flight of stairs through the mist 385 00:20:49.119 --> 00:20:52.880 towards the second floor of her restaurant. That was the 386 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:55.200 last anybody saw her alive. 387 00:20:56.839 --> 00:21:01.440 Is that what it right? 388 00:21:01.759 --> 00:21:04.279 Yeah, we're in the midst of our true crime Tuesday. 389 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:06.960 It is the mystery of what happened to Thelma Tod 390 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:12.279 Where we left you. Thelma Todd was with filmmaker Roland West. 391 00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:16.759 They lived in the Pacific Paliside Palisades area. She was 392 00:21:16.799 --> 00:21:19.000 shacking up with him. His ex wife lived in a 393 00:21:19.039 --> 00:21:25.839 tower above. They ran thelmatod sidewalk cafe there, very popular 394 00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:29.079 little eatery there, which they said would come to define 395 00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:34.519 the Pacific Palisades in terms of tight knit glamour. And 396 00:21:34.599 --> 00:21:37.359 she left for a party December nineteen thirty five. She 397 00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:39.599 had her mother with her and she was going to 398 00:21:39.680 --> 00:21:42.119 drop her mom off on sunset. Makes her way to 399 00:21:42.200 --> 00:21:44.839 the party, finds her ex husband is there with a date. 400 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:48.960 She is upset, doesn't roll back into her car with 401 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:53.839