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Speaker 2: AP Gary and Shannon, would you like or share on
Speaker 2: one of the prisons in l Salvador? Question mark, if
Speaker 2: you saw a story about a prison in El Salvador,
Speaker 2: would you like or share that?
Speaker 3: And why and why not?
Speaker 4: I'm not sure what the question.
Speaker 1: I think the question is is because you and I
Speaker 1: both alluded to the fact that prison in Al Salvador
Speaker 1: is not a club fed place to be. It's not
Speaker 1: an easy amount of time to serve. I would imagine
Speaker 1: wants us to show our math. He wants us to
Speaker 1: show our math on that.
Speaker 5: One place to look. I saw a report from earlier
Speaker 5: this morning on CNN. David Culver, one of the reporters,
Speaker 5: spent some time in a place called say Kote, one
Speaker 5: of the high security facilities that is terrifying. They actually
Speaker 5: call it a prison for terrorists, a correctional center for terrorists.
Speaker 5: But again that was on CNN. That's that's easy to
Speaker 5: look up. David Culver is the reporter's name.
Speaker 3: Gary, you are just the weirdest personality. I can't I
Speaker 3: can't put my finger on it. But you know you
Speaker 3: got like you got.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 3: I don't know if empathy is a right worry, but
Speaker 3: you're just I don't know. You're just out there. You're
Speaker 3: almost as bad as handle whoa. You know, You're just
Speaker 3: no empathy or anything from anybody, just all you you, you,
Speaker 3: you you?
Speaker 6: Oh.
Speaker 4: Do you get that from me? You're here four hours
Speaker 4: a day? No, I do not. Are you saying that
Speaker 4: just because I'm sitting here? No, you're not selling that.
Speaker 7: I absolutely don't get that from you.
Speaker 6: But I can always count on Gilt.
Speaker 7: I will say this.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you mask or hide said empathy, but it exists.
Speaker 6: You can always count on Gary and Channon to be
Speaker 6: anti work from oh for the Live Listen, we were
Speaker 6: always on the trajectory for work from home. It was
Speaker 6: inevitable that was going to happen at some point. The
Speaker 6: pandemic just expedited it. And you know what, not every
Speaker 6: single person needs to be in the office.
Speaker 4: That's what we said.
Speaker 6: If you have a job that you don't require to
Speaker 6: be in the office, there's no reason for you to
Speaker 6: be on the roads, clogging up the roads, so on
Speaker 6: and so forth. Work from home be done.
Speaker 1: With this sounds like someone who's well socialized and in
Speaker 1: his underwear.
Speaker 7: What else is going on?
Speaker 4: Time for what's happening? I can see the cheeto stains
Speaker 4: on your tee shir, that's me.
Speaker 5: That's what we did say. You can work from home. Great,
Speaker 5: I said, it works for you. It was fantastic. But
Speaker 5: don't fool yourself into shoehorning your way into a work
Speaker 5: from home position when you don't have one. And it's
Speaker 5: very rare to have a work from home position that
Speaker 5: is successful if you've got one. More power to you
Speaker 5: and luck be on your side for with from evermore
Speaker 5: or something. Rain's coming in, Rain's coming in later tonight.
Speaker 5: We'll see cooler temperatures tonight into tomorrow and then Thursday
Speaker 5: night into Friday night, another batch of rain. That of
Speaker 5: course means PCH is going to close again just after
Speaker 5: it reopens. They said that they will close the beginning
Speaker 5: three am only essential workers, law enforcement, utility cruiser recover
Speaker 5: agencies on Pacific Coast Highway that is between Chautauqua and
Speaker 5: Carbon Beach. Terrace Palisades residents are going to be able
Speaker 5: to access their homes via Chautauqua.
Speaker 4: If you've got the right.
Speaker 7: There you go again with all your information, just you, you, you.
Speaker 6: You.
Speaker 1: Donations are still coming into fire Aid. Mildly offended by
Speaker 1: that on your behalf or gonna as a UUU person?
Speaker 1: I can tell you you are not a u u
Speaker 1: U person. Organizers of last week Star Studied fire Aid
Speaker 1: benefit concerts say that they're going to raise more than
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars for LA wildfire recovery.
Speaker 4: Pretty crazy, yeah.
Speaker 5: A couple of prosecutors from the DA's office who recommended
Speaker 5: the release of the Menendez brothers say they were then
Speaker 5: demoted by the new DA Nathan Hakman, and then defamed,
Speaker 5: they alleged, by one of his close allies.
Speaker 1: Oh come on, this is what happens in a lot
Speaker 1: of offices. If you are going to do the bidding
Speaker 1: for the predecessor and some but a new boss comes in,
Speaker 1: you probably are not going to have the same job
Speaker 1: you had under a guy with wildly different agenda ideas.
Speaker 5: They said, after Hawkman won over Gascon, they were demoted
Speaker 5: to lower roles in the DA's office, mocked and ridiculed
Speaker 5: in online posts made by Deputy d John Lewin. It's
Speaker 5: not unusual for the new DA to shuffle decks when
Speaker 5: assuming office. Because by the way, that's what George Gascone did,
Speaker 5: what they all did and received praise for it. Remember right,
Speaker 5: oh keto key.
Speaker 1: Jurors just now this coming in. Jurors have reached a
Speaker 1: verdict in the trial of that producer in Hollywood, David Pierce.
Speaker 1: This was the guy charged with murder and the drug
Speaker 1: overdosese of the two young women a model in her friend.
Speaker 1: Verdict expected to be read within about an hour. They
Speaker 1: did not reach a verdict on charges against a codefendant
Speaker 1: who's accused of being an accessory after the fact. But
Speaker 1: these were the two girls who went out in Hollywood.
Speaker 1: They went to an after hours party, then they went
Speaker 1: to this guy's house. Some more drugs were taken, and
Speaker 1: they were both dropped off at a couple hospitals by
Speaker 1: guys in masks that said that they were good Samaritans.
Speaker 1: And so it's interesting to me because even if these
Speaker 1: women took the drugs at their own behest, is it
Speaker 1: the dude's fault that he dropped them off with a pulse?
Speaker 7: Did he wait to?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, I don't know where blame
Speaker 1: comes with that kind of a situation. Were they drugged
Speaker 1: or did they take the drugs on their own? All
Speaker 1: of that probably came into I'm sure that they I
Speaker 1: think the evidence that I remember was they were partying,
Speaker 1: they were taking drugs on their own, went to the
Speaker 1: house for the after party, and then things went sour
Speaker 1: whatever way, too many drugs, but both ended up dead.
Speaker 4: And he has a response? What response?
Speaker 7: What responsibility does he have?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 5: Interesting wide receiver Cooper cup says, the Rams are trying
Speaker 5: to trade him. He's been with the Rams for eight years.
Speaker 7: How old is he now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was a little old. Oh.
Speaker 1: I would just say for a wide receiver, you didn't
Speaker 1: get to be thirty one thirty two.
Speaker 7: I'm assuming he is.
Speaker 4: What has he fallen off? I thought this year he
Speaker 4: had a relatively good year.
Speaker 5: I mean, Pooka Nakoup is probably outpacing him and gets
Speaker 5: a shelf life.
Speaker 4: But he was offensive Player of the Years just a
Speaker 4: few years ago. Twenty one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a long time in wide receips, in any
Speaker 1: wild players years maybe unless you're alignment. The waffle house
Speaker 1: is adding an egg surcharge to underline the bird flew
Speaker 1: egg shortage situation. If the waffle house does it. You
Speaker 1: know it's a problem when the waffle house closes.
Speaker 4: You know that the the hurricane is coming.
Speaker 1: Fifty cents per egg surcharge to all menus. It's funny
Speaker 1: because I don't eat eggs all the time. I do
Speaker 1: love the eggs, but I've been craving eggs because I
Speaker 1: know I can't get them, because that's just my little
Speaker 1: contrarian mind.
Speaker 5: Because you're seeing the headlines about them all, seeing them
Speaker 5: all the time, and you think to yourself, boy, those
Speaker 5: expensive eggs must eggs. Big orexia is considered a psychological condition,
Speaker 5: a type of body dysmorphic disorder, which involves a distorted
Speaker 5: self image that focuses specifically on your muscle size and
Speaker 5: your physical appearance. Now they call it big orexia.
Speaker 1: They say the afflicted person is obsessed with becoming more
Speaker 1: muscular and preoccupied with the idea that their body isn't
Speaker 1: brawny enough, even if they actually have the physique of
Speaker 1: a bodybuilder.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say with boys.
Speaker 1: They say this is is on the rise, particularly among boys.
Speaker 1: But I remember my brother, for example, when he was
Speaker 1: in high school, trying to bulk up just because he
Speaker 1: was scared. You know, boys go through that growth sport
Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen fifteen, and they sprout up like a weed
Speaker 1: and then they're skinny, and then if they want to
Speaker 1: be in sports, or they were into sports, suddenly it's
Speaker 1: kind of more difficult, especially with physical sports.
Speaker 5: And with the difference between just different people at different ages, right.
Speaker 5: I mean, you could have a we had a kid
Speaker 5: in our eighth grade class. We had a mustache. I
Speaker 5: mean he was six feet two probably at a mustache.
Speaker 1: And now he works Wednesday mornings at the Star Garden
Speaker 1: as the bouncer.
Speaker 5: But they were also when you get to high school,
Speaker 5: the difference is that much greater, right, because you have
Speaker 5: kids who developed you're thirteen, fourteen fifteen. When you get
Speaker 5: into high school and you've got kids that are seniors
Speaker 5: that are seventeen, eighteen nineteen in some cases, and they've
Speaker 5: done all the growth, they've been in football for fourty years,
Speaker 5: they've been working out the whole time, and they just
Speaker 5: don't look the way you do, and you think that
Speaker 5: that's what you should look like. The issue becomes the
Speaker 5: infatuation with that sort of body type. And as much
Speaker 5: as anarexia is a big thing where you constantly feel
Speaker 5: like you're bigger than you actually are. The big eurexia
Speaker 5: makes it seem like you constantly believe you're smaller than
Speaker 5: you actually are. And when you lift weights like that
Speaker 5: at that young and age, you do some potential damage
Speaker 5: to not just physically damage to your muscles and your bones,
Speaker 5: but you could really screw yourself up mentally.
Speaker 1: I know that there's this big push on social media,
Speaker 1: YouTube or whatever for skincare. One of my girlfriends she
Speaker 1: has a ten year old daughter her and she says that,
Speaker 1: you know, her daughter's very much into skincare routines, and
Speaker 1: she's like, I try to tell her she doesn't need
Speaker 1: that right now that she's maybe even doing more damage.
Speaker 1: She's in exfoliators and things like that, which can it
Speaker 1: certainly just actually lead to acne and things that you
Speaker 1: normally would not have had if you didn't mess with
Speaker 1: the pH balance or whatever it is going off with
Speaker 1: your skin.
Speaker 7: And I'm wondering if that's all.
Speaker 1: I mean, it happens with every generation, right there's a
Speaker 1: push to get kids into X, Y or Z whatever
Speaker 1: is being advertised at the moment, but you know there's
Speaker 1: I read an article the other day about kids pretty
Speaker 1: pubescent girl's birthday parties at Sephora. Okay, you know it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't allowed to wear makeup in junior high.
Speaker 1: I don't think even you know, And it's like now
Speaker 1: it's you know, you're you're eleven years old and you're
Speaker 1: having your skincare routine and your makeup and all that
Speaker 1: done is wild.
Speaker 4: The reference.
Speaker 1: I wonder if boys are being made to buy like
Speaker 1: protein powders and things like that. I'm just wondering because
Speaker 1: it used to be like, you're in your twenties when
Speaker 1: guys were into that kind of thing, and now I
Speaker 1: just wonder if if the needles moved to make.
Speaker 4: It it's shifted even younger.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, they refer to Hugh Jackman as a celebrity influencer,
Speaker 5: not through his not that he's trying to be, but
Speaker 5: that just who he is and the movies that he's
Speaker 5: been in and his notoriety. He influences people's decisions. But
Speaker 5: remember Hugh Jackman when he's training for Wolvergarine, for example,
Speaker 5: he trains for hours a day, he undergoes supervised dehydration
Speaker 5: regimens to transform his body. But if you're fifteen years old.
Speaker 5: You think I could do that?
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 5: You don't have the will power or the intelligence to
Speaker 5: figure out a lot of times, you don't to figure
Speaker 5: out what is nutritious for your body. You see that
Speaker 5: he does dehydration regimen, so you try to do the
Speaker 5: same thing. I remember wrestlers in our high school. I
Speaker 5: assume this is still going on. Wrestlers in our high
Speaker 5: school when they were trying to make weight would have
Speaker 5: the most ridiculous, totally practices.
Speaker 1: Well, and they would show up to school in three
Speaker 1: pairs of sweats, three pairs of sweats, and the bottom
Speaker 1: layer the closest to their skin is a garbage bag,
Speaker 1: so that they would sweat it all out and then
Speaker 1: you know, maintain that heat.
Speaker 5: Then they would constantly spit into cups because they thought
Speaker 5: the reducing their saliva volume was gonna was going to
Speaker 5: impact their weight enough that it was going to make them,
Speaker 5: you know, get the weight class that.
Speaker 4: They wanted to.
Speaker 5: And while the wrestling coach, mister Pliler never encouraged that,
Speaker 5: he also didn't discourage it right, And then the rumors
Speaker 5: got you know, I could do this thing where I
Speaker 5: would I could go, I could go throw up a
Speaker 5: couple times before I wad in or I could do this,
Speaker 5: or I'm not going to eat for a day and
Speaker 5: a half before I have this ridiculously difficult wrestling marriage.
Speaker 1: If you're interested, there's a great TV series called Kingdom.
Speaker 1: I believe it was maybe ten years ago about MMA.
Speaker 1: Yeah dropping away and really was eye opening. Yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: I should be an MMA fighter.
Speaker 4: You've got to be able to say it first, right, So.
Speaker 1: No, Well, one of the survivors of the fire happened
Speaker 1: to be one seventy five seventy five Pacific Coast Highway.
Speaker 1: It is a nineteen twenties Mediterranean style home, imposing architecture
Speaker 1: it is said to have and it is the scene
Speaker 1: of our True Crime Tuesday.
Speaker 4: The story is true, that's true.
Speaker 6: No, it sounds made up.
Speaker 4: I don't know. Perry and Shannon present True Crime.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: One seventy five seventy five pch has stood for almost
Speaker 1: one hundred years. It has lasted the test of time.
Speaker 1: Many stories come out of this property as well. Like
Speaker 1: I said, it's a Mediterranean style building, arches resembling gateways
Speaker 1: to a lost world. You've driven by it, but not
Speaker 1: everybody who was driven by it knows the story of Thelmatod.
Speaker 1: Thelma Tod died mysteriously one cold night in nineteen thirty
Speaker 1: five in the foggy streets of castele Mayre above.
Speaker 7: Is that how I say It's still a mayor.
Speaker 1: At the time, it was one of the most widely
Speaker 1: covered stories in LA history. Her last night was haunted,
Speaker 1: and it has confounded La for almost a century. It
Speaker 1: was December sixteenth, nineteen thirty five, and Thelmatad was twenty nine.
Speaker 1: She was leaving home for a party with her mother.
Speaker 1: She descended the stairs in her beautiful Glowe slimmering blue
Speaker 1: evening gown, blue heels, and mink coat draped around her shoulders.
Speaker 1: Her chocolate brown Lincoln convertible was parked in the streets
Speaker 1: above the restaurant, the sidewalk cafe there that was actually
Speaker 1: called the Velmouth Todd Sidewalk Cafe. It was her car,
Speaker 1: the Lincoln, in the garage of her lover and business partner,
Speaker 1: filmmaker Roland West.
Speaker 7: He puts Helma Todd.
Speaker 1: And her mother into the car for the night, and
Speaker 1: he tells her to be back by two am because
Speaker 1: remember they're going to a party.
Speaker 7: She was going to drop her mom off on sunset
Speaker 7: on the way.
Speaker 1: She gives him a look, rolls her eyes and says, well,
Speaker 1: then I'll be back at two five.
Speaker 5: Well, he says, just so you know, the door's going
Speaker 5: to be locked into Missy or something along those lines.
Speaker 4: Uh. This party.
Speaker 5: They had become business partners, by the way, when they
Speaker 5: opened a cafe on the ground floor of a community
Speaker 5: center for a sort of a neighborhood that never really
Speaker 5: took off over there. It was far enough away from
Speaker 5: the amenities of Hollywood and the burgeoning West Side of
Speaker 5: la that it never really gained the sort of notoriety
Speaker 5: that it would decades later after the heydays of Hollywood,
Speaker 5: after the Depression, et cetera. So nineteen thirty four they
Speaker 5: opened this Thelmatod's sidewalk cafe and hoping that it would
Speaker 5: draw people from Hollywood down around the corner of the
Speaker 5: Palisades and get them some tourism business.
Speaker 4: Among other things. She was the hostess of the restaurant.
Speaker 5: She would welcome people with this warmth that they had
Speaker 5: seen her display as her career as an actress on screen,
Speaker 5: and for about a year and a half they actually
Speaker 5: said this was sort of a great description, a great
Speaker 5: example of what could happen post depression.
Speaker 1: They say that this was an early vision of everything
Speaker 1: that Pasific Palisades would eventually represent. A glamorous and close
Speaker 1: knit community in Paradise.
Speaker 5: Yeah, close knit because, among other things, Roland West's first wife,
Speaker 5: whom he was estranged from, still lived in his house.
Speaker 5: She stayed in a tower above the house, and he
Speaker 5: moved into the living quarters above the cafe so he
Speaker 5: could keep an eye in the business. But of course
Speaker 5: she Felma Todd moves into her own quarters, also on
Speaker 5: the second floor.
Speaker 4: Hmmm.
Speaker 5: And while they weren't married, they were probably doing married things.
Speaker 1: Now, who was Selma Todd? Well, she had been a
Speaker 1: film star since nineteen twenty five, so for about ten years.
Speaker 1: After she left her career as a school teacher in Massachusetts,
Speaker 1: she signed with Paramount. She was known for her work
Speaker 1: in comedy. She would play the straight woman with the beauty.
Speaker 1: She was a foil. She was in Laurel and Hearty things.
Speaker 1: She worked with the Marx Brothers and things like that.
Speaker 1: They say that she kind of embodied the emergency, emerging
Speaker 1: kind of modern woman. That she played socialites, but socialites
Speaker 1: with an elegant knowingness and wit that they say, would
Speaker 1: become the hallmark of people like Carol Lombard, Jean Harlowe.
Speaker 1: They said that her beauty was as classical as the
Speaker 1: statue of Venus. She had become though America's ice cream blonde.
Speaker 1: She was the epitome of new society. So that's where
Speaker 1: she was when she was operating this sidewalk cafe with
Speaker 1: the lever Roland West, with the ex wife and the
Speaker 1: tower above.
Speaker 3: So she.
Speaker 5: Goes to the party December sixteenth, nineteen thirty five. Her
Speaker 5: chauffeur drives her to the Trocadero nightclub on sunset for
Speaker 5: this party thrown by a couple of high profile actors
Speaker 5: and their daughter, a seventeen year old daughter, the future
Speaker 5: actor Ida Lupino. So she goes from table to table.
Speaker 5: She's a star, she's been in movies. She's saying hello
Speaker 5: to everybody. She sees her ex husband there, Pat the Chichio,
Speaker 5: the chicchio, the Chichio, Chichio. I think we learned okay.
Speaker 4: He was an actor's agent.
Speaker 5: He was a full time mob guy turned playboy, been
Speaker 5: pretty cruel to her during their marriage and when they divorced,
Speaker 5: that's when she went over and started hooking up with
Speaker 5: Roland West. Well, they said that a bunch of people
Speaker 5: said that they appeared to kind of have bitterness between them, Yeah,
Speaker 5: because it's their exes.
Speaker 1: Well, and he had a date with him, and he
Speaker 1: shouldn't even have been invited to that party. Allegedly, some
Speaker 1: say that she just left, that Thelmatad just left, but
Speaker 1: some did report the bitterness that you talk about. That
Speaker 1: the daughter of the Stars throwing the party later testified
Speaker 1: that she and Uh and Thelma Toad had a private
Speaker 1: conversation in the loo, where Thelma Todd had been beside herself,
Speaker 1: very upset over the whole thing.
Speaker 5: So she eventually goes back out to her car. It's
Speaker 5: about three in the morning. She slides into the backseat.
Speaker 5: Her chauffeur says that she is unusually quiet. They say
Speaker 5: they don't know how much champagne that she had. It
Speaker 5: would have been anybody's guess.
Speaker 4: So he offers.
Speaker 5: The chauffeur offers to drop her off at her house,
Speaker 5: and she asks to be let out just past where
Speaker 5: sunset meets pch Again. This is nineteen thirty five. There's
Speaker 5: no street lights out there. The only sound is the
Speaker 5: wind through the cypress trees, the waves crashing just a
Speaker 5: short time to just short short distance south. It was
Speaker 5: a little after three forty five. In her evening gown,
Speaker 5: she climbs up that flight of stairs through the mist
Speaker 5: towards the second floor of her restaurant. That was the
Speaker 5: last anybody saw her alive.
Speaker 4: Is that what it right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're in the midst of our true crime Tuesday.
Speaker 1: It is the mystery of what happened to Thelma Tod
Speaker 1: Where we left you. Thelma Todd was with filmmaker Roland West.
Speaker 1: They lived in the Pacific Paliside Palisades area. She was
Speaker 1: shacking up with him. His ex wife lived in a
Speaker 1: tower above. They ran thelmatod sidewalk cafe there, very popular
Speaker 1: little eatery there, which they said would come to define
Speaker 1: the Pacific Palisades in terms of tight knit glamour. And
Speaker 1: she left for a party December nineteen thirty five. She
Speaker 1: had her mother with her and she was going to
Speaker 1: drop her mom off on sunset. Makes her way to
Speaker 1: the party, finds her ex husband is there with a date.
Speaker 1: She is upset, doesn't roll back into her car with
Speaker 1: the chauffeur till about three am. By all accounts, maybe
Speaker 1: some tipsy, some tipsiness. So anyway, she at the time
Speaker 1: refer used the chauffeurs offered a drop her off at
Speaker 1: her doorstep and asked to be let out just past
Speaker 1: where sunset meets Pch. No street lights are on the
Speaker 1: road in nineteen thirty five, only the sound of wind
Speaker 1: and the waves. This was a little after three p
Speaker 1: forty five am. She was in her blue sparkling evening gown,
Speaker 1: and she began the slow ascent up the flight of
Speaker 1: stairs to PCH from sunset through the mist towards the
Speaker 1: second floor of her restaurant. I should say, from PCH
Speaker 1: up to the property.
Speaker 5: That same blue evening gown is what she was wearing
Speaker 5: when she was found dead the next day behind the
Speaker 5: wheel of her Lincoln in the garage below the building.
Speaker 1: She looked flawless. She looked as if she had fallen asleep.
Speaker 1: No violence had been done to her.
Speaker 5: Now her death was ruled accident caused by carbon monoxide poison.
Speaker 5: The assumption was she got home, she's locked out maybe,
Speaker 5: and then goes back into the stairs, up the stairs
Speaker 5: to try to find shelter in the unlocked garage, might
Speaker 5: have turned on the car to get warm, she's in
Speaker 5: the closed space carbon monoxide.
Speaker 1: That sounds like Okham's razor, right, But this is Hollywood,
Speaker 1: so there has to be conspiracy theories and rumors, doesn't there, Yes,
Speaker 1: there does. Rumors quickly spread that the filmmaker guy was
Speaker 1: in a jealous rage and that he killed her, maybe
Speaker 1: in their apartment or even on his yacht, then took
Speaker 1: her to the car to make it look like an
Speaker 1: a an accident. Then there was the conspiracy theory that
Speaker 1: he the filmmaker, and his ex wife conspired together and
Speaker 1: killed her. There was gossip that Thelma Todd was involved
Speaker 1: with a bad crowd through that previous marriage to the
Speaker 1: guy she saw that night. He was connected to the mafia,
Speaker 1: and they said that it was the mob's revenge for
Speaker 1: her saying no when they wanted to open up gambling
Speaker 1: tables at the sidewalk cafe.
Speaker 5: All of this comes to a head with this inquest
Speaker 5: where the director lover, his estranged former film star wife,
Speaker 5: the maid, the chauffeur, the ex husband with the gangster ties.
Speaker 5: Every single one of them takes turns testifying about her death.
Speaker 5: But the facts seemed to unravel when you looked at
Speaker 5: him a little bit closer, some small element would throw
Speaker 5: the investigation into shambles, like there were drops of blood
Speaker 5: on the running board outside of the car, the long
Speaker 5: climb from pch to the garage, the lack of any
Speaker 5: physical trauma on Thelma. There was testimony also from a
Speaker 5: friend of Thelma's who claimed that she'd received a phone
Speaker 5: call from her on Sunday at four pm, hours after
Speaker 5: she would have died and would have already been lifeless
Speaker 5: in that Lincoln in the.
Speaker 1: Garage murder accident or suicide. The filmmaker, by the way,
Speaker 1: that she was banging around with, tried to reopen Thelma
Speaker 1: Todd's sidewalk cafe just days after her body.
Speaker 7: He was found.
Speaker 1: Tourists, conspiracy theorists flooded the place. They stole souvenirs from
Speaker 1: the restaurant. They wanted to walk up those fateful stairs.
Speaker 1: They wanted to come to their own conclusions. See, we
Speaker 1: don't change that much that much, folks. One hundred years
Speaker 1: later we do the same damn thing. Guests recalled the
Speaker 1: eeriness of being seated by the filmmaker himself while lover
Speaker 1: came back to me played on a duke box. Cafe
Speaker 1: closed after a few months it never reopened to the public.
Speaker 5: Did you see the part there were At one point
Speaker 5: Shelley Winters was taken by Howard Hughes to that cafe
Speaker 5: on a date that when there was no one else there.
Speaker 1: Sounds about right for Howard Hughes, the odd fellow that
Speaker 1: he was.
Speaker 4: Where it is klean xboxes on his feet.
Speaker 5: Now, the flames from the Palisades fire came close to
Speaker 5: Castillo del Mar, the home, but they said that it
Speaker 5: is still standing, and the turquoise blue garage doors, which
Speaker 5: are still visible from outside what would have been the
Speaker 5: last place.
Speaker 4: She was alive in that car still standing.
Speaker 1: So what do you think it was? I think it
Speaker 1: was the carbon monoxide. I think that's probably the best. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, it's Aukham's raised. The easiest, easiest explanation is
Speaker 1: probably she's in her party dress. She's already got a
Speaker 1: little attitude, telling the guy, well, i'll be him at
Speaker 1: two o five if you're going to lock the door too.
Speaker 7: There's already a power struggle going on there.
Speaker 4: And she doesn't come home till three forty five.
Speaker 1: Three forty five, and she's full of champagne, and why
Speaker 1: wouldn't you lock your door by three forty five am
Speaker 1: and the you know she wants to stay warm, so
Speaker 1: she goes in the car some.
Speaker 5: Time when guys didn't give gals their house key.
Speaker 7: Are you kidding?
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 7: I don't even have a house key.
Speaker 4: And it's twenty twenty four safer that way for him.
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