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Speaker 2: You see is what you get, or what you hear
Speaker 2: is what you get everybody, So welcome on in as
Speaker 2: we start off another week here on WBZ. We are
Speaker 2: sort of wrapping up your number eighteen doing this for
Speaker 2: a while, and we should be doing it for a
Speaker 2: little while longer, at least, I promise you on that.
Speaker 2: And what we do in the eight o'clock hours, we
Speaker 2: talk to four we call kind of like newsmakers. They're
Speaker 2: not the biggest news stories in the world, but they're
Speaker 2: interesting stories that are put together just about every day.
Speaker 2: Either by our producer Marita, our executive producer, Marita McKinnon
Speaker 2: Lorosa or by days when she's not with us, Karen Pussemi.
Speaker 2: So that's the deal. And then later on tonight we'll
Speaker 2: be talking about some other subjects which are probably a
Speaker 2: little bit more serious we're talking about. We'll be talking
Speaker 2: about the ice surge here in Massachusetts and its implications.
Speaker 2: We expect to talk about a poll out of New
Speaker 2: Hampshire which says that Governor Heally may not be in
Speaker 2: as good of shape politically as perhaps some might think.
Speaker 2: And hope to get to Ukraine's sneak attack on Russia,
Speaker 2: which was very successful based upon all of the information
Speaker 2: that we have at this point, and I guess I'd
Speaker 2: like to talk at some point, if possible, about that
Speaker 2: horrific attack out in Boulder, Colorado. It just seems that
Speaker 2: every week there's another anti Semitic attack, anti Israeli, anti
Speaker 2: Jewish attack in this country, and this one was particular horrific,
Speaker 2: and the guy that did it should go away for
Speaker 2: a long time, and if I had mind, brothers take
Speaker 2: go away for a short time, but eventually would be eliminated.
Speaker 2: But that's a story for another time. Let's start off
Speaker 2: on a happier note and let's talk about the low
Speaker 2: Summer Music Series, which is going to kick off it's
Speaker 2: thirty fifth season, produced by the low Festival Foundation, which
Speaker 2: is a five oh one seed three nonprofit with us
Speaker 2: as the low Music Series Director. James McDonald, James McDonald,
Speaker 2: welcome to Nightside.
Speaker 3: How are you, sir, thy Dan?
Speaker 4: It is great to be here to talk about the
Speaker 4: Lowell Summer Music Series.
Speaker 3: Yeah, talk about music in summer. How can we go wrong? Now?
Speaker 2: This series operates without taxpayer funding by LOLL and it
Speaker 2: is sustained by ticket sales and sponsorships and grants and
Speaker 2: some community support.
Speaker 3: And it's been going now for thirty five years. So
Speaker 3: let's start at the beginning. How did it start?
Speaker 2: I'm sure you probably weren't there when it started, but
Speaker 2: you must have some knowledge of how it started.
Speaker 4: Sure, well, you know there there was a group of
Speaker 4: people and they they there was a lot of opportunity
Speaker 4: in Lowell. There's still opportunity in Lull. But you know
Speaker 4: there was a parking lot downtown surrounded by mill buildings,
Speaker 4: you know that were built in the eighteen hundreds, quite
Speaker 4: historic mill buildings and This land eventually became the low
Speaker 4: National Historical Park and part of that land. Members of
Speaker 4: the community said this would be a great place for concerts,
Speaker 4: and a beautiful, green, lush park was built right surrounded
Speaker 4: by these you know, eighteen hundreds and beautiful boarding house
Speaker 4: mill buildings, and thirty five years ago, these concerts began
Speaker 4: as small as they were, and it's really grown over
Speaker 4: the years and now we're you know, bringing world class
Speaker 4: talent to the stage, and you know, we like to
Speaker 4: feel that we're doing something really special for the community.
Speaker 4: As a nonprofit, we're self sustaining, and it is a
Speaker 4: pleasure to be able to bring live music to a
Speaker 4: place that beautiful.
Speaker 2: So let's let's talk about some of the First of all,
Speaker 2: I love Lowell, Okay, I've been in a little many
Speaker 2: many times, particularly when I worked as a TV reporter,
Speaker 2: and a beautiful city. It's it's come back very strong.
Speaker 2: Former Senator Paul Songus did a great job helping that
Speaker 2: city grow and prosper. Let's the late great Paul song
Speaker 2: As I should say, Let's talk about some of the shows.
Speaker 2: I mean, I look at some of these names. I'm
Speaker 2: not a big music guy. To be really honest with you.
Speaker 2: But some of these names I recognize. Tell us some
Speaker 2: of the some of the shows that are coming in, don'nat.
Speaker 2: It gives the day and time because we'll direct people
Speaker 2: to the website.
Speaker 3: But you got some heavy hitters coming in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're thrilled to be bringing in some great names
Speaker 4: and we're you know, we're kicking off the summer on
Speaker 4: June twentieth with Celtic rockers Gaelic Storm and they're really
Speaker 4: you know, a great blend of Celtic music and a
Speaker 4: little bit of punchy rock and roll. And you know
Speaker 4: that's highlighted actually by Natalia Kay. He's their fiddle player
Speaker 4: who grew up in Lowell and performed every year at
Speaker 4: the Banjo and Fiddle Contest, which we helped post in
Speaker 4: the park. So it's a bit of a homecoming for
Speaker 4: for Gaelic Storm, and that's followed in Junia.
Speaker 3: By the way, are they James?
Speaker 2: Are they primarily Irish band?
Speaker 4: They like you know, actually they're an American band, but
Speaker 4: they play and they love and they honor, you know,
Speaker 4: the sounds of Celtic music. So it's a great blend. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Great, who else you got we're.
Speaker 4: Bringing in Los Lobos, a great you know, Mexican American
Speaker 4: rockers from La Story career. They may have even been
Speaker 4: doing it longer than we have in our thirty five years.
Speaker 4: So that's the kickoff weekend. We have Celtic rock and roll,
Speaker 4: we have Mexican American rock and roll. It's a great bland.
Speaker 4: But you know, early in the summer, we're bringing in
Speaker 4: Darlene Love, one of the icons from the nineteen sixties.
Speaker 4: She'll be bringing that famous wall of sound you know,
Speaker 4: to Lowell and bringing the hits, and you know, we're
Speaker 4: really thrilled about that. And later in the summer we've
Speaker 4: got some great Americana sounds from the Wood Brothers and
Speaker 4: Sierra Hall, who's just a virtuoso mandolin player and really
Speaker 4: an incredible talent. And then later in the summer, as
Speaker 4: we look ahead, we've got Grace Potter coming in. She's
Speaker 4: really made a name for herself out of the state
Speaker 4: of Vermont. She's certainly gone worldwide and global now. And
Speaker 4: then towards the end of the summer, a really fun
Speaker 4: night called Let's Sing Tailor, and that night is a
Speaker 4: live band tribute to the music of Taylor Swift. We
Speaker 4: had them last year, it was just a really fun
Speaker 4: sing along families of all ages and great to see
Speaker 4: the kids out having some fun and singing along to
Speaker 4: the music.
Speaker 3: So this is great.
Speaker 2: It's great for folks who are going to spend summer
Speaker 2: you know in Lowell. They can pick, they can find
Speaker 2: the schedule. You got to it looks to me like
Speaker 2: a pretty a very impressive website Lowellsummer Music dot org.
Speaker 2: And we should emphasize that this is a nonprofit. But
Speaker 2: in order to go, the tickets are not free. This
Speaker 2: is you got to buy the tickets that you can
Speaker 2: get a season pass. What should folks expect to spend
Speaker 2: for most of these events? Is every event the same
Speaker 2: or are some a little bit more expensive than others?
Speaker 4: Every event is a little different, and you know that's
Speaker 4: factored into the price of the talent that they've partnered with,
Speaker 4: and you know the cost of specific shows to produce.
Speaker 4: But we are also selling a season pass which gets
Speaker 4: you into all twelve of our ticketing concerts and that
Speaker 4: price is only forty one dollars a ticket. So we
Speaker 4: work really hard to keep this affordable. This is not
Speaker 4: a mega concert, you know, in a mega you know
Speaker 4: park or an arena. This is really a great, down home,
Speaker 4: kind of a lo fi experience in terms of concert going.
Speaker 4: You bring your own share, you can bring in a picnic.
Speaker 4: It's a really wonderful way to see music that we
Speaker 4: don't get to do as much anymore. So we like
Speaker 4: to think that we're we're kind of holding down the
Speaker 4: fort for that easy going concert experience. It's hard to
Speaker 4: come by.
Speaker 3: But by the.
Speaker 2: Way, I've counted the dates here, I count fourteen. You
Speaker 2: keep talking about twelve. Are there a couple that perhaps, yes,
Speaker 2: we've missed a couple that that perhaps are open to
Speaker 2: the public and there's no charge.
Speaker 3: What's going on there?
Speaker 4: I see some great other free events. So now, in
Speaker 4: addition to the ticket and twelve concerts, the Lowell Festival
Speaker 4: Foundation which is the nonprofit umbrella that we're a part of.
Speaker 4: They are responsible and run the real, the legendary lowl
Speaker 4: Folk Festival, which is an amazing weekend of free music
Speaker 4: all across Lowell. So we play a small part in that,
Speaker 4: although that is really run by the Lowll Festival full
Speaker 4: festival team. But we also host the Banjo and Fiddle Contest,
Speaker 4: which I mentioned earlier, which is really just a wonderful
Speaker 4: get together of string players of all ages. It's that's
Speaker 4: a multi generational affair. Song circles happening, traditional music, banjos, fiddles,
Speaker 4: you know you know sessions if you will, happening in
Speaker 4: the park. So up, James.
Speaker 3: James, thank you for the information. Again.
Speaker 2: That website is simply low. Summer Music are one word
Speaker 2: dot org and you have a really good website. They
Speaker 2: can get a lot of information. James, I appreciate you
Speaker 2: spending some time with us. Best of luck with the
Speaker 2: summer concert series.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Dan, I appreciate it. And thanks for kicking
Speaker 4: off the show tonight with us.
Speaker 2: A pressure, not a problem, my pleasure as well. Right
Speaker 2: back at you. Thanks thanks again, James. Will we come
Speaker 2: back for those of you are going to be traveling
Speaker 2: this summer, We're going to be talking with Mark shield
Speaker 2: Drop of Triple A and he's going to talk to
Speaker 2: us and to you about some ways maybe maybe you
Speaker 2: can save some money this summer ways to say on
Speaker 2: both some big ticket items and also smaller purchases. So
Speaker 2: Mark shield Drop with some free information offering tips for
Speaker 2: a budget friendly summer getaway. Coming back here on nightside
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Speaker 3: You were there.
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Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2: Back with one of my favorite guests, Mark shield Drop Triple,
Speaker 2: a senior spokesperson, and he has some tips for a
Speaker 2: budget friendly summer getaway. Mark, I have no idea what
Speaker 2: we're going to be talking about here, but I am
Speaker 2: all ears at this point. If there's any way to
Speaker 2: save a few dollars and have a little bit of
Speaker 2: fun during the summertime, who can be posed to that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. So I'm going to go down the list
Speaker 4: on the road, in the air and where to stay.
Speaker 4: All right, well, yeah right, let's do it. So it's
Speaker 4: a big deal to save money this year, especially because
Speaker 4: prices are up domestic flights are more expensive. Hotels are
Speaker 4: a bit more expensive. International hotels and more expensive, so
Speaker 4: full traveling might be seeing higher prices across the board.
Speaker 4: So let's say you're on the road. Gas prices are
Speaker 4: a lot lower than over last year, but you can
Speaker 4: still save take a little bit off the beaten path.
Speaker 4: The gas stations are a lot more expensive right off
Speaker 4: the interstate. We all know that if we drive a
Speaker 4: mass pike, we see an action in Massachusetts every day.
Speaker 4: And then fuel economy, you know, I think a lot
Speaker 4: of folks don't realize how much fuel economy you lose
Speaker 4: above about fifty five to sixty five miles an hour.
Speaker 4: After that you're dealing with a lot of drags. So
Speaker 4: just five to ten miles an hour over, or let's
Speaker 4: say you cut your average cruising speed by five to
Speaker 4: ten miles an hour, you can save as much as
Speaker 4: fifteen percent on your fuel economy.
Speaker 5: So that's going to save you some money if you
Speaker 5: normally drive I mean, which is, if you're a comfortable
Speaker 5: driving seventy, cut it back to sixty or sixty five,
Speaker 5: I guess is what you're saying.
Speaker 4: Yep, yeah, definitely, and you'll save a little bit. You know,
Speaker 4: and that it does add up over time. I think
Speaker 4: that the impulse to save money on field economy. It's
Speaker 4: a little bit weaker now with gas at about three
Speaker 4: dollars a gallon, but if gas was like it was
Speaker 4: last year at three fifty one, maybe we feel a
Speaker 4: little more a little more incentive to save a little.
Speaker 3: Bit just saving money, let me tell you not.
Speaker 2: And also, yeah, you're got to probably be a little
Speaker 2: safer to go right ahead.
Speaker 4: Yep, all right, So the old advice about booking a
Speaker 4: flight on Tuesdays or Wednesdays, that still applies. You save
Speaker 4: a little bit of money doing that, so you can
Speaker 4: balance your vacation days. Leave in the middle of the week,
Speaker 4: come back in the middle of the week. You're gonna
Speaker 4: save a lot more money than than trying to fly
Speaker 4: out over the weekend. And then if you they're packing,
Speaker 4: pack why you know, sometimes it's cheaper just to take
Speaker 4: less clothes and use the coin laundry at the hotel
Speaker 4: that you're staying at just to get those essentials clean.
Speaker 4: You know, you can wear jeans two days in a row.
Speaker 4: I think sometimes we overpacked, and if you can cut
Speaker 4: a bag out or just the amount you're carrying. That's
Speaker 4: gonna see a lot of money, especially with airlines really
Speaker 4: squeezing people on those bag fees more and more. So
Speaker 4: that's a big one.
Speaker 2: Every time I travel, I realize I overpack. I mean,
Speaker 2: I bring more.
Speaker 4: Stuff than I need, and I just just.
Speaker 3: You just take if you take.
Speaker 2: When I do take the time, maybe I take an
Speaker 2: hour and sometimes even make a little list to make
Speaker 2: sure you.
Speaker 3: Don't forget anything.
Speaker 2: But you know, all the stuff that you need you
Speaker 2: should have, but not a heck of a lot.
Speaker 4: More, right, And then you get there and you buy
Speaker 4: more stuff, and then you're in the hotel trying to
Speaker 4: pack to go home, and you're trying to figure ot, well,
Speaker 4: what am I going to leave behind? Don't want to
Speaker 4: you can avoid that buy back in life. Yeah, And
Speaker 4: then the other flying tips. You know, when you're looking
Speaker 4: at your where you're gonna go, public transportation, taking an
Speaker 4: over to the airport, you know, sometimes it is cheaper
Speaker 4: just to park at the airport book ahead. I know
Speaker 4: when I fly at a logan, there's a couple of
Speaker 4: lots right there with shuttles, and you look in your
Speaker 4: credit card, look at those offers you get sometimes, especially
Speaker 4: with travel cards, a lot of times you can. And
Speaker 4: there's a couple that right outside of Logan that I've
Speaker 4: done business with, where if you spend one hundred bucks
Speaker 4: one hundred twenty bucks, you can save twenty or thirty
Speaker 4: right there on your credit card statement. So that'll save
Speaker 4: you some money, especially with a trip where you're gonna
Speaker 4: leave your car for three or four days and then
Speaker 4: picking where to say you're right on that mark.
Speaker 3: Logan's pretty expensive.
Speaker 2: I think it's up to like seventy five or eighty
Speaker 2: five dollars a day.
Speaker 4: It is, it is, so every dollar helps. You can
Speaker 4: get a ride to the airport and back from a
Speaker 4: far or family member. That's the way to go.
Speaker 2: I don't think you can give them twenty a week.
Speaker 2: Don't do it for free. They never drive you. Give
Speaker 2: them some gas money. If they're kind enough to do
Speaker 2: that for you or for you and your family, give
Speaker 2: them some gas money.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, I'm sorry many exactly. Yeah, you bet. And
Speaker 4: then when you're booking a trip and you say you're
Speaker 4: gonna go to Europe and you're going to a big city.
Speaker 4: Europe has an incredible transportation, you can save a lot
Speaker 4: of money in your hotel if you look for a
Speaker 4: little bit outside of the city center, or they're really
Speaker 4: hot tourist area or or the you know, the main
Speaker 4: city center, because a lot of times, if you book
Speaker 4: hotel just in walking distance to a public transit stop,
Speaker 4: you can hop on a train and be right where
Speaker 4: you want to be really quickly. So don't underestimate that
Speaker 4: it does take a little bit more legging and footwork.
Speaker 4: You've got to research and do a bit more planning.
Speaker 4: Some people really get into that and they love it.
Speaker 4: Other people they not big planners, you know, they just
Speaker 4: kind of want to figure it out and go. So
Speaker 4: you might have to a little bit, but you can stay.
Speaker 2: Stay. If you stay outside of the city center in
Speaker 2: those European cities and you stay four or five miles
Speaker 2: out of town, you're actually going to deal with some
Speaker 2: people who actually live in that community. Supposed to when
Speaker 2: you stay at the expensive hotels downtown, you're going to
Speaker 2: be interacting mostly with other tourists, you know, and you
Speaker 2: get get out of out of the cities a little
Speaker 2: bit and get a sense of what the community is
Speaker 2: that you're visiting. I think that's yeah, you save some
Speaker 2: money and you get real taste of what it's like you.
Speaker 4: Do when the locals tell you, like, don't go to
Speaker 4: the tourist trap, here's where you want to go. You know,
Speaker 4: they give you the insight scoop on the best restaurants
Speaker 4: and the times to go to avoid the crowds, and
Speaker 4: then you feel really insider and.
Speaker 2: Well, great advice. Now let me ask, is there a
Speaker 2: way in which people can access the Triple A site.
Speaker 2: There must be some site we can send people to
Speaker 2: so they can. Probably, yeah, they weren't taking notes necessarily, so, but.
Speaker 4: A lot of yeah, a lot of the spools don't
Speaker 4: have a great travel advisory Triple A member that's free
Speaker 4: that comes with your membership. We have travel advisors that
Speaker 4: will help you figure all this stuff out with you
Speaker 4: go to triple a dot com. Your zip code has
Speaker 4: to be punched in, but once you're there to click
Speaker 4: on travel. We have all sorts of great articles and
Speaker 4: all kinds of great content there.
Speaker 2: But the way, I've been a Triple A member for
Speaker 2: a long time, for a long time and my family,
Speaker 2: I have the family deal, and I got to tell
Speaker 2: you it's one of the best investments I've ever made.
Speaker 2: Huge Triple A supporter and a huge Triple A member,
Speaker 2: I guess would be.
Speaker 3: The best way to describe it. For years and years
Speaker 3: and years.
Speaker 2: You would be surprised if you had access and google
Speaker 2: back and see how long I've been a member at
Speaker 2: Triple A. At Triple A, I think you'd be very
Speaker 2: pleased and very surprised.
Speaker 4: Mark oh Dan, I wouldn't be surprised, but I am
Speaker 4: very pleased, and you're so kind and we appreciate it.
Speaker 4: You know, a Triple A we really just value our members.
Speaker 4: We're a membership organization, you know, so we're we're there
Speaker 4: to serve our members. And it means a lot to
Speaker 4: me that you're you can speak so highly of an organization,
Speaker 4: and there's a lot of pressure on me representing an
Speaker 4: organization that that gets that feedback.
Speaker 2: So well, I'm telling you the truth, right, And I
Speaker 2: have used Triple A resources. They have been they have
Speaker 2: been great. I'm a I'm a big believer in Triple A.
Speaker 2: And as they say, if you check out, I'm no lie.
Speaker 2: I've been a member of that probably for twenty five
Speaker 2: years at least at least, and I think, yeah, I
Speaker 2: view it as as a real good investment because over
Speaker 2: the course of the years I'm probably ahead of you
Speaker 2: guys in terms of the services that I've been able
Speaker 2: to take advantage of.
Speaker 3: So thanks very much for being there.
Speaker 4: Okay, Hey Dan, thanks a lot. And you know, flash
Speaker 4: that triple A card you get a discount at your
Speaker 4: hotel or a museum. You never know this funny heels. Yeah,
Speaker 4: just by flashing that card.
Speaker 3: I like it, Hey begs Mark, We'll talk soon.
Speaker 4: Thanks very much, appreciate it great.
Speaker 2: Here comes the news at the bottom of the eyre.
Speaker 2: We'll take a quick break for a news break, and
Speaker 2: then we have two more guests coming up. Going to
Speaker 2: be talking with a very interesting woman who's a marriage
Speaker 2: and family therapist. He's also the author of a new
Speaker 2: book and she talks that makes the point that the
Speaker 2: number of moms who are reporting their mental health is
Speaker 2: being excellent now is down a little bit from twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: I don't know if COVID had much to do with this,
Speaker 2: but we'll get the skinny from Christy Taylor Jones when
Speaker 2: we come back after the break, and we will also
Speaker 2: talk about a one in thirty million orange lobster with
Speaker 2: the executive chef of the chef at the Union Oyster House.
Speaker 2: They're not cooking this baby. Opp trust me, we'll explain.
Speaker 2: Coming back.
Speaker 1: Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone, Thank you very much, Suzanne. We are
Speaker 2: joined by Christy Taylor Jones. She's a marriage and family therapist,
Speaker 2: also the author of a book entitled Touched by Suicide,
Speaker 2: a personal and psychological perspective on the longing for death
Speaker 2: and rebirth. Christy, we'll get to the book in a moment,
Speaker 2: but I guess we're going to talk about the fact
Speaker 2: that US moms are facing, according to a recent study,
Speaker 2: sharp decline in their own self described mental health. Tell
Speaker 2: us about it. First of all, welcome to Night's Side,
Speaker 2: and feel free to take the conversation in whatever direction
Speaker 2: you'd like.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, thank you, and I'm happy to be here. Yeah,
Speaker 6: the study is disturbing, but I think it's mostly disturbing
Speaker 6: because there hasn't been a lot of research, and what
Speaker 6: it says is something that most of us on the.
Speaker 4: Front lines kind of already knew.
Speaker 6: And research often comes out and confirms what a lot
Speaker 6: of us already know, is that motherhood is becoming a
Speaker 6: more and more stressful endeavor. And as the study indicated,
Speaker 6: only twenty five percent of moms report excellent mental health,
Speaker 6: which is down thirty eight percent.
Speaker 4: From twenty sixteen.
Speaker 6: So we're talking about a period of time that includes
Speaker 6: the pandemic but precedes the pandemic, So it isn't just
Speaker 6: pandemic driven, and it's physical as well as mental health.
Speaker 6: But I think that they've been focusing more on the
Speaker 6: mental health.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question, which as a guy,
Speaker 2: it's difficult to ask, but I'm going to ask it
Speaker 2: anyway because I like to ask tough questions, and that is,
Speaker 2: have we reached a point where moms are beginning to
Speaker 2: realize that what they hope to be able to accomplish
Speaker 2: both having a career and motherhood and good marriage and
Speaker 2: all of that, that maybe there's a little bit of
Speaker 2: a sacrifice of happiness for what was described as self fulfillment.
Speaker 2: And I'm not asking that question antagonet antagonistically, I want you.
Speaker 3: To understand that.
Speaker 6: Sure, well, it's an interesting question because actually the mental
Speaker 6: health of fathers has also gone down, but.
Speaker 4: Just not as much as mothers.
Speaker 6: So you know, there's there's that. But the other thing
Speaker 6: is that when you talk about and I think you're
Speaker 6: suggesting that a mother's trying to juggle a career and
Speaker 6: motherhood and everything else that.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I'm a baby boomer, so I'm not saying that mothers
Speaker 2: in the fifties or sixties had an idyllic life. But
Speaker 2: there was the idea that mothers needed to do more,
Speaker 2: and there was a clearer division. And again, I know
Speaker 2: I'm sounding like a really old guy when I ask
Speaker 2: that I'm asking it is I assume we don't have
Speaker 2: legitimate statistics to compare this to do to how happy
Speaker 2: moms were in let's say the fifties.
Speaker 4: The Sixtiesison.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it.
Speaker 2: Just seems to me that that a lot that that
Speaker 2: women aspired to. Maybe it's it's it's not provided what
Speaker 2: they had hoped for. It's really my question if the
Speaker 2: if the drop has been it's a precipitous drop. At
Speaker 2: sixty four percent increase in mothers reporting of fear to
Speaker 2: poor health, I guess mental health.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well, I think the way I would answer that is
Speaker 6: that women did work in the fifties and the sixties
Speaker 6: and so on. But what is happening now is that
Speaker 6: the positions that women are rising to are much more demanding.
Speaker 6: I mean, we sort of got what we wanted, right,
Speaker 6: We got to you know, break that barrier between men
Speaker 6: and women.
Speaker 4: In terms of you know, job.
Speaker 6: Equality, we're much more equal to men. But the problem
Speaker 6: is that also the stresses, the long hours, the energy
Speaker 6: that goes into those jobs is much more. And sometimes
Speaker 6: women are the primary bread winner. I have I work
Speaker 6: with a couple and the woman is makes most of
Speaker 6: the money. The husband is no slackers in you know,
Speaker 6: the industry, the Hollywood industry, but she makes most of
Speaker 6: the money and she has to.
Speaker 4: Do it all.
Speaker 2: So what is the solution or do we just keep
Speaker 2: heading down this road.
Speaker 3: To unhappiness? Again?
Speaker 2: This is I'm trying to find a light at the
Speaker 2: end of the tunnel here and make sure it's not
Speaker 2: a train.
Speaker 6: If you know what I'm saying, well, absolutely, And I
Speaker 6: think there are things that not just women but couples
Speaker 6: can do because this, you know, parenthood is a shared responsibility.
Speaker 6: And I think that mothers feel like they have to
Speaker 6: be the nineteen fifties mother. I feel guilty if they
Speaker 6: have a nanny, or if they're coming home late at night,
Speaker 6: if they're not there for all of their children's events.
Speaker 6: And also I think women are not trusting their instincts.
Speaker 6: They look to all the experts, which is great because
Speaker 6: you know, we need education, but there's a tendency to
Speaker 6: lose track of what are a basic maternal instincts and
Speaker 6: not to trust them, and I think that's a piece
Speaker 6: of it too.
Speaker 4: And the other thing is self care.
Speaker 6: If women are trying to do it all, they're probably
Speaker 6: not taking care of themselves. And that old adage of
Speaker 6: you know, you have to have the oxygen for the
Speaker 6: parent first before the child on the airplane, it's that
Speaker 6: kind of thing. Is that mothers really do have to
Speaker 6: make sure that they get the rest they need. And
Speaker 6: this is a huge problem in the first few months
Speaker 6: because women don't get the rest that they need and
Speaker 6: that is a a big source of mental health problems.
Speaker 6: But they also need time alone, time together and redefining
Speaker 6: their identity as being different than their parents. The other
Speaker 6: thing that women need, and I think actually couples need,
Speaker 6: is support. They really need a support system, and when
Speaker 6: their kids are little, they may not have a parent
Speaker 6: or a family member, anybody to be there. Babysitters and
Speaker 6: that kind of thing are hard to come by, and
Speaker 6: you would like for a family member to be there,
Speaker 6: but often you know, couples live far away from their
Speaker 6: family and from their parents, not isolated.
Speaker 2: That concept of the extended family again in the nineteen fifties,
Speaker 2: where grandma grandma lived upstairs and there was another grandma
Speaker 2: or granddad around the block. I do want to give
Speaker 2: you a chance to mention your book because it is
Speaker 2: touched by suicide personal and psychological perspective, and the longing
Speaker 2: for death and rebirth.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: My understanding is that you have had a couple of
Speaker 2: personal experiences with suicide or potential suicide.
Speaker 4: I have.
Speaker 6: I've had personal and professional experiences with it. And I
Speaker 6: think that there are two parts in the book where
Speaker 6: I talk about myself and another family member, and then
Speaker 6: another part in the book where I talk that two
Speaker 6: different clients. In both of those cases, one of the
Speaker 6: two committed suicide, and the other cases they attempted it,
Speaker 6: sometimes several times, and yet they came out head they
Speaker 6: did not. They not only were able to survive the suicide,
Speaker 6: but to transcend and to transform themselves.
Speaker 2: Another thing was that the other things which I wanted
Speaker 2: to mention just briefly, I worked as a television reporter
Speaker 2: for many years, thirty one years for the CBS affiliate
Speaker 2: here in Boston, when people don't realize that that suicide
Speaker 2: is a lot more prevalent than people realize because suicide
Speaker 2: cases i'm not reported by television, local broadcasts, if there's
Speaker 2: a shooting somewhere, if there's a right, you know, some
Speaker 2: sort of even they've only gotten to the point of
Speaker 2: reporting murder suicide. So again, somehow, some way, we have
Speaker 2: to take off that sense of shame, and hopefully your
Speaker 2: book I Suspect probably does it. And so I'd like
Speaker 2: to make sure that people remember the title Touched by Suicide,
Speaker 2: a personal psychological perspective on.
Speaker 3: The longing for death and rebirth.
Speaker 2: So I hope that some of our listeners tonight, who
Speaker 2: might be ever contemplating any thought of self harm, might
Speaker 2: take an opportunity to read what you've written.
Speaker 3: In your book.
Speaker 6: Well, I'm glad you mentioned shame because I have a
Speaker 6: whole chapter on it, and I think shame is one
Speaker 6: of the biggest factors in suicide. I really do, Christie.
Speaker 2: I thank you so much. We could talk longer, but
Speaker 2: I think we have probably raised more questions in people's
Speaker 2: minds that we've answered tonight. But hopefully we've got people
Speaker 2: thinking about it, and can I have to ask some
Speaker 2: of those questions, which were some are going to say, oh,
Speaker 2: why would you even ask that question? I think that
Speaker 2: if you don't ask questions, you never get answers.
Speaker 3: Thanks Christy Taylor.
Speaker 4: Joe appreciate, Thank you, very welcome.
Speaker 2: Okay, good night. When we get back, we're going to
Speaker 2: talk about one in thirty million shot. No, this is
Speaker 2: on a lottery ticket. This is an orange lobster. We'll
Speaker 2: be back on night Side right after this.
Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's
Speaker 1: news radio.
Speaker 2: All right, it was a one in a thirty million
Speaker 2: shot with me is Rico de Fronzo. He's the executive
Speaker 2: chef at the Union Oyster House, a landmark location in
Speaker 2: Boston owned by the Great Joe Mulano. Rico, how did
Speaker 2: you guys get an orange lobster?
Speaker 3: You didn't order that one? I don't think.
Speaker 4: No, No, we didn't know it. And Dan, thanks for
Speaker 4: having me on. Yeah. Basically, what it is we buy,
Speaker 4: you know, hundreds of lobsters a day and just open
Speaker 4: up a box and there it was just looking right
Speaker 4: up at us. So we separated it, put it in
Speaker 4: the tank and we had in here about a week
Speaker 4: before we found a nice home for it.
Speaker 2: How how yeah, and it was it wasn't the stomach
Speaker 2: of a customer. I'm sure that's that's for sure.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, that's this little guy actually will
Speaker 4: he himself up in New Hampshire, up in basically at
Speaker 4: Hampton Beach in a place called the Explore the Ocean
Speaker 4: Ocean Aream, and we'll stay there until about Labor day.
Speaker 4: And then after labor day what they do is they
Speaker 4: take all the seafood lobsters, clams, crabs and so what
Speaker 4: they take them and put them back in the ocean
Speaker 4: and give them an opportunity to live.
Speaker 2: Really, so this guy, this guy is going to be
Speaker 2: he's going to be.
Speaker 3: Paroled or released. Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you've been around this business for a long time.
Speaker 3: How many.
Speaker 2: How many orange lobsters have you seen in your career?
Speaker 4: Three? Total? Two? We actually got two, believe it, about
Speaker 4: a year and a half ago. We received two in
Speaker 4: a box, a male and a female, and we basically
Speaker 4: same thing. We looked for a place to put it.
Speaker 4: New England Quarium already had an orange lobster, so we
Speaker 4: reached out to this group here and they took them
Speaker 4: and placed them back. The ocean sent me a great
Speaker 4: video of them popping them right back in, so it
Speaker 4: was kind of cool to see them actually put them
Speaker 4: back and not be someone's dinner.
Speaker 2: Okay, so what create I mean most lobsters all of us?
Speaker 2: Who have you been Toister House or or any other
Speaker 2: restaurants where there's a lobster pound. You look at them
Speaker 2: and they all look the same for the most part.
Speaker 2: I mean different sizes.
Speaker 3: And all of that.
Speaker 2: But there's blue lobsters and orange lobsters. Is there any
Speaker 2: other variety that that that I've missed here besides the
Speaker 2: regular rubs?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you missed? You know the calico, which is basically
Speaker 4: a spotted lobster.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: We also have basically we call them kind of Halloween
Speaker 4: lobsters where you take a line right down the center
Speaker 4: of the lobster. One side is orange and one side
Speaker 4: is black. The most rare lobster is a white lobster
Speaker 4: in albino, which is like fifty million to one. Some
Speaker 4: people say one hundred million to one. I haven't seen those.
Speaker 4: So I've seen blue and I've seen orange, but i
Speaker 4: haven't seen any other ones. I'm into the union Oister
Speaker 4: House okay.
Speaker 3: The orange the second rarest or, A blue lobster's even
Speaker 3: more rare.
Speaker 4: No, blue are only about one in two million. They're
Speaker 4: relatively common compared to the orange and the cali.
Speaker 2: As I try to find one person out of two
Speaker 2: million people in Greater Boston.
Speaker 3: I mean it's yeah.
Speaker 4: It is. And then there's also yellow as well, by
Speaker 4: the way too, the yellow as so the yellow, the orange,
Speaker 4: and the calico about one in thirty million.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let me ask you this. I get paid,
Speaker 2: you know, money to ask dumb questions. Sometimes, do these
Speaker 2: lobsters that are different colors and rare different colors, do
Speaker 2: they live longer lives?
Speaker 3: Shorter lives?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 3: What's their life expectancy?
Speaker 4: Honestly, it's it's pretty much the same as any other lobster.
Speaker 4: That the key is if someone throws them in a
Speaker 4: pot and cooks them.
Speaker 3: Caught, right, I caught?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, jokingly, this lobster is lucky because obviously
Speaker 4: it landed with us, and you know, we had the
Speaker 4: space in our tank to keep it, you know, separated
Speaker 4: from the others, and and we found a home for it,
Speaker 4: which is unique.
Speaker 2: You know, Now, would a lobster that's a blue lobster
Speaker 2: or an orange lobster. I don't know if anyone's ever
Speaker 2: cooked one to taste them. Did they taste different than
Speaker 2: other lobsters.
Speaker 4: They all taste the same. But the difference is that
Speaker 4: when you take a blue lobster or a colored lobster
Speaker 4: and you cook it. Once you put it in the pot,
Speaker 4: it basically the hot water and the boiling breaks down
Speaker 4: the protein and actually changes the lobster back to red. Okay,
Speaker 4: so it's actually they all look red in the end.
Speaker 4: But because lobsters technically are actually red to blue in
Speaker 4: color underneath the shell, and then depending on what they eat,
Speaker 4: the diet and basically genetics mutation, that's how these lobsters,
Speaker 4: you know, become different colors.
Speaker 2: And again I'm asking questions that I have no reight
Speaker 2: to ask you. I'd rather excuse me, Rico, but Joe
Speaker 2: will tell you I asked, I asked too many questions.
Speaker 3: Are orange lobsters?
Speaker 2: Are they endemic to our part of the world, or
Speaker 2: could you find one anywhere in the world?
Speaker 3: And thirty millions?
Speaker 4: All right, Well, those lobsters, which are called American lobsters,
Speaker 4: they're off the East coast. You can catch you know,
Speaker 4: our American lobses probably a little south of Connecticut, New
Speaker 4: York that area and north and the Canadians obviously have
Speaker 4: the bulk of the lopsters because the waters colder up
Speaker 4: in North America than it is down here. So we
Speaker 4: don't catch as many lobsters as we used to off
Speaker 4: Rhode Island, Massachusetts, even in the Gulf of Maine, compared
Speaker 4: to we did probably ten or fifteen years ago. Just
Speaker 4: because the ocean is starting to warm up, the lobsters
Speaker 4: are actually migrating further north.
Speaker 3: Knowing how slowly a lobster moves.
Speaker 2: Take that migrating north, that they have to have some
Speaker 2: great instincts to do that which way we're going.
Speaker 3: I mean, they don't move quickly.
Speaker 4: They're not like fish, right, No, No, obviously they swim backwards.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, they propel themselves with their tail,
Speaker 4: and that's how they actually moved through the water pretty quickly.
Speaker 1: Oh some of them.
Speaker 3: Oh really, I didn't.
Speaker 2: I thought they would just be crawling on the on
Speaker 2: the bottom of the of the ocean.
Speaker 4: Well, Dan, when you come by the restaurant, I'll show
Speaker 4: you in the tag when I drop one in how
Speaker 4: they actually swim across the tank.
Speaker 3: Okay, that sounds great.
Speaker 2: I just think it's wonderful when you have a story
Speaker 2: and the fact that you guys are going to donate this.
Speaker 2: People have a chance to see it. I don't know
Speaker 2: if they'll be able to hold it. Hopefully they probably won't.
Speaker 2: But but to know that this lobster will end up
Speaker 2: back in nature, I think that's great. And I say,
Speaker 2: you know, hats off to you and hats off to Joe.
Speaker 2: That's that's for sure. When you opened up went you
Speaker 2: had it for a week. I got to assume when
Speaker 2: you opened that. But are they coming to crate? I
Speaker 2: assume all the lobsters.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they're come in a large uh really most
Speaker 4: of them can large board cardboard boxes basically a vendor
Speaker 4: basically so many packs them with ice packs wet wet
Speaker 4: paper and that's how they come into the restaurant. About
Speaker 4: thirty in a box, depending on the size.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate Riky you taking the time. Please say
Speaker 2: hi to Joe for me tonight, and congrat.
Speaker 4: I definitely will deft thank you.
Speaker 3: As they say.
Speaker 2: Anybody, when you're downtown Boston, check out the Union iceed
Speaker 2: to house one of the great treats in Boston as
Speaker 2: always for a long time.
Speaker 3: But it's it's good.
Speaker 4: Thanks for having us. We really appreciate the support, and
Speaker 4: I really appreciate you being a great friend of the restaurant.
Speaker 1: So thank you my pleasure.
Speaker 2: How could you not be a great friend of the
Speaker 2: union iused to house. The food is so good. Thanks Rico.
Speaker 2: We'll talk soon.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, thank you, Bye bye, Dan.
Speaker 3: You're very welcome. Will we get back.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about the big story of the
Speaker 2: day here locally is the immigration, the ICE news conference,
Speaker 2: and also the controversy over the arrest of a student
Speaker 2: at Milford High School, not at Milford High School, but
Speaker 2: the arrest of a student from Milford High School. To
Speaker 2: all of that, and we'll have a positive conversation in
Speaker 2: which all points of view will be respected. We're coming
Speaker 2: back on Nightside right after this.