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Speaker 1: I did I did I properly set that up? I
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Speaker 1: Well, listen, we can see you in a way the
Speaker 1: listener can't. So that backdrop with the bricks and the
Speaker 1: shelves and some of those books, I'm trying to read
Speaker 1: the titles. They look like fantasy books, which makes me think,
Speaker 1: are you in your place or you at d l
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Speaker 4: Oh, I'm in my place. I did build one random
Speaker 4: brick wall in my guest room. Said that I have
Speaker 4: a studio, so I put in a brick wall.
Speaker 2: It looks amazing, dude, except it's made of paper. Yeah.
Speaker 3: If I hit it, you would see my bricks move.
Speaker 2: Really, it looks like real bricks. I thought he was
Speaker 2: at DLS. He lied to me. It looks Hey, you're
Speaker 2: still lying to women.
Speaker 4: I see, Yes, some things don't change.
Speaker 2: He's never lied to women. I made that up.
Speaker 1: Okay, Jeffrey, Uh, we're all on alert. We feel like
Speaker 1: at any minute, I don't know if Jerry World the
Speaker 1: white Smoke's gonna come out or whatever going to be. Hey,
Speaker 1: there's Brian Schottenheimer's the coach. It feels an ever. I
Speaker 1: know it shouldn't, but I'm I'm stuck in just this
Speaker 1: quick sand of doom and gloom, and I'm worried that
Speaker 1: Brian Schottenheimer is going to be the next coach of
Speaker 1: the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it seems that way.
Speaker 4: Ish Clarence Hill, who I work with and has been
Speaker 4: covering the Cowboys for a.
Speaker 3: Really long time, expected that maybe today.
Speaker 4: Or perhaps as early as or I guess as late
Speaker 4: as tomorrow, we could hear that Brian Schottenheimer's the head coach.
Speaker 3: But now there's some Pete Carroll chatter.
Speaker 4: So you know, you'll either have a guy that nobody
Speaker 4: would ever consider to be their head coach or a
Speaker 4: guy that people used to have as their head coach
Speaker 4: and no one would consider it anymore, and we could
Speaker 4: get that guy instead, because we're the Cowboys and only
Speaker 4: the best you need to play around here, And by
Speaker 4: best I mean whoever. Jerry is super comfortable with that
Speaker 4: no one else wants because Jerry's smarter than everybody else.
Speaker 2: You left out the very important word affordable.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the cheapest. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: So earlier before KT left town, he was started talking
Speaker 1: about Pete Carroll and he was trying to connect the
Speaker 1: dots between Pete Carroll and Brian Schottenheimer. And I got
Speaker 1: confused because he made it sound like they broke up
Speaker 1: in Seattle, And then I was like, so, then why
Speaker 1: would they be connected in any way here? Is there
Speaker 1: any connection? And from your perspective that somehow Brian Schottenheimer
Speaker 1: and Pete Carroll are here together.
Speaker 4: Uh oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's possible. Now
Speaker 4: I can't claim to know all about their breakup. I
Speaker 4: mean I remember, like, now we're in a place where
Speaker 4: Jerry's gonna have to try to sell us on all
Speaker 4: sorts of things. But I remember when Brian Schottenheimer was
Speaker 4: Pete Carroll's offensive coordinator in Seattle, and that was when
Speaker 4: the whole world was begging them to let Russell Wilson
Speaker 4: throw passes. And then you know, once you leave there,
Speaker 4: you just say, wow, that was Pete Carroll.
Speaker 3: And then now that.
Speaker 4: He's been the offensive coordinator for Mike McCarthy, they got
Speaker 4: to sell you on well, Mike McCarthy was really not
Speaker 4: letting him do what he wants.
Speaker 3: And so, like, I don't know how you sell Brian Schottenheimer.
Speaker 4: He is a visor guy, which I like he's a
Speaker 4: visor guy because that's a that's a courageous move. I
Speaker 4: don't know if you guys remember when we were coworkers. Yes,
Speaker 4: I decided I was going to be a visor guy. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it lasted like four days because they're not comfortable, so
Speaker 4: shout out to him.
Speaker 3: There's a toughness that comes with visor guy.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I thought you were saying pisor guy like
Speaker 1: the pharmaceutical companysor yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: A bold move for a commercial. I'm available.
Speaker 2: It's a bold move to be a visor guy. I
Speaker 2: had a similar move.
Speaker 1: I was a white sunglasses guy for a couple of
Speaker 1: days and it was a bad look. It was hard
Speaker 1: to pull and I had to immediately abort that one.
Speaker 3: That one't while you were a big truck guy.
Speaker 1: Was that was a big truck guy for a while,
Speaker 1: but not simultaneously white sunglasses guy.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right.
Speaker 1: Very few people dabble in a big truck phase. Usually
Speaker 1: once you go big truck, you stayed big. I know,
Speaker 1: I just dabbled. You did it for like three months. No,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't get my big truck in our parking grog.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 4: It's it's something that we love to attribute to uh
Speaker 4: with all your christing the woman, but uh, I was
Speaker 4: an F one fifty guy for probably like I don't know,
Speaker 4: five or six years, maybe longer than that, and I
Speaker 4: never ever felt good parking that sucker. So we can
Speaker 4: make fun of people all we want. I'm him. I
Speaker 4: can't do truck ever again. It's just too big for me.
Speaker 4: It's too big for me.
Speaker 2: Handle it like a Nissan now, but are you driving.
Speaker 3: I'm driving Chevy Blazer.
Speaker 4: For Chevy Blazer, I like a mid sized or on
Speaker 4: the smaller side, SUV so that I can pretend I
Speaker 4: could haul stuff around and do all these different things
Speaker 4: that I'll never actually do, but the idea that I
Speaker 4: could is in my mind, and I can park it.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Okay, we're talking to the great Jeff Kavanaugh. Obviously you
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Speaker 2: He's a beast. So tracking in your mind right now,
Speaker 2: I guess. Tell me.
Speaker 1: Tell me the top three candidates who not who you
Speaker 1: would hire, who you think they are most likely to
Speaker 1: get the job, and give me the percentages on each
Speaker 1: right now as it stands, right now in your cabin.
Speaker 2: I'll brain.
Speaker 4: Let's see right now, let's say Brian Schottenheimer fifty eight percent,
Speaker 4: Kellen Moore thirty two percent, Pete Carroll six percent, Prime.
Speaker 3: Four percent. What is the I want Dion?
Speaker 4: I want Dion because I just think, look, if we're
Speaker 4: gonna quit, let's have fun. I don't want to quit
Speaker 4: and be boring. Let's quit trying to win and pretending
Speaker 4: even pretending that we're trying to win, but.
Speaker 3: Let's do it with some style, you know, bring me
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Speaker 1: This is Jeff Cavanaugh of DLLs Sports on their Cowboys
Speaker 1: coverage as well as his own YouTube channel, Jeff Kavanaugh.
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Speaker 3: What's looking at it?
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Speaker 1: That has to be the largest YouTube following in DFW
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Speaker 3: Watch? Is it like ninety four thousand?
Speaker 2: Okay? Okay, watch it? Okay, all right, all right?
Speaker 1: Uh so, Jeff, I want to get back to I
Speaker 1: want to be very focused here. What is the percentage
Speaker 1: likelihood in your opinion that Jason Whitnen is somewhere on
Speaker 1: this staff?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: And this is this is the ultimate Ben Rogers vindicated.
Speaker 4: This is like a this is a year's in the making.
Speaker 4: Ben Rodgers vindicated. Uh, yeah, they're gonna I think that
Speaker 4: whatever they're going to do, especially if it's Brian Schottenheimer,
Speaker 4: all they're doing is slow playing and not having.
Speaker 3: The balls to do what they're setting up to do.
Speaker 4: Anyway, Like the Jones family worships at the altar of
Speaker 4: Jason Witten, and I'm not saying you shouldn't, you know,
Speaker 4: but I think Jerry and Stephen Jones look at Jason
Speaker 4: Whitten and they go, oh my god, that's America. Like
Speaker 4: it's just a matter of do they think that they
Speaker 4: could give him the head coach job now, or could
Speaker 4: they hire somebody who's going to be one of the
Speaker 4: lowest paid coaches in the league that will accept that,
Speaker 4: that will accept the fact that they're gonna do whatever
Speaker 4: they want because this coach has no other prospects to
Speaker 4: ever be a head coach, so they're gonna pay him
Speaker 4: very little. They're gonna slap Jason Witten on his staff,
Speaker 4: call him the tight end coach or something, and it'll
Speaker 4: be a setup. They'll they'll have another offseason like they
Speaker 4: did last time, where they won't try their best, they
Speaker 4: won't have a good season, and maybe after one year
Speaker 4: they'll slap Witten in there. They're gonna set somebody up
Speaker 4: to be the fall guy. They're gonna hide the fact
Speaker 4: that they're cheap and more interested in their own pockets
Speaker 4: than winning behind the quarterback. They're gonna say, we hired
Speaker 4: Schattenheimer because he's a good relationship with DAK. So they're
Speaker 4: gonna try to get the fans angry at DAK over
Speaker 4: their cheapness and their insistence on doing things there and
Speaker 4: being comfortable over trying to compete. So yeah, they'll try
Speaker 4: to get people mad at the quarterback. They'll set up
Speaker 4: the next coach, and then Witne will be on the
Speaker 4: staff and then bang Witnell gets job.
Speaker 2: I love Fantastic.
Speaker 4: I love it, And hey, we're not at zero anymore.
Speaker 4: Forty six people have subscribed in.
Speaker 2: The last Fantastic. Let's go.
Speaker 3: Let's go crushing. You guys are crushing.
Speaker 1: That's what we want to see. We want to see
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Speaker 1: Hey, uh, oh, tell them to subscribe to Ben and
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Speaker 1: but the whole, the whole witting thing. I've missed on
Speaker 1: so many things. I really thought Belichick was going to
Speaker 1: get a shot at this because somebody told me during
Speaker 1: the season Belichick came to town and had dinner with Jerry.
Speaker 1: They told me where it was and everything, and I
Speaker 1: believed them. It was a good source, and so I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, it's happening. So I kind
Speaker 1: of went all in on that. So I can't really
Speaker 1: claim the witting thing, but I will. I'll stand there
Speaker 1: and wait, even if it's five years from now, I'll
Speaker 1: boomerang it. I'll be standing there waiting to get some
Speaker 1: love on that. Maybe it is Ben Rogers vindicated, simply
Speaker 1: because I've gotten so much hate every time I've posted
Speaker 1: about it. Not from everyone, but there's always some people
Speaker 1: that are very hateful, going why would they ever let
Speaker 1: witt and coach? What has he ever done? He only
Speaker 1: played quit trying to get former players to be hired.
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's going to happen. He's personally told me
Speaker 1: he wants to be the coach of the Cowboys. Someday
Speaker 1: that's his life dream. It's going to happen at some point,
Speaker 1: and they love him to your point, so it's inevitable.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's very thanos. It's gonna happen, and I
Speaker 4: hope he does a great job. Hell, he might be
Speaker 4: able to do it today. It's one of those weird
Speaker 4: things like are you gonna predict failure on if Jason
Speaker 4: Witten were the head coach based on what like he
Speaker 4: has now officially coached football. I know it's not NFL football,
Speaker 4: but he was in NFL locker rooms forever. You don't
Speaker 4: think that he could lead men or or you know,
Speaker 4: control a room or what do we think he couldn't do?
Speaker 4: Obviously you would rather have a guy like work his
Speaker 4: way up to something. But yeah, you're gonna be right. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you're gonna be right. You've been on it. You've been
Speaker 4: on it, Ben Rogers been Don't you try to backpedal
Speaker 4: from your vindication. Your vindication is here, all right, it is.
Speaker 4: Your vindication is not.
Speaker 2: Let's go, it's the eve of vindication. That sounds like
Speaker 2: a Steven Sagal movie. Does Steven Sagaal is eve of vindication?
Speaker 1: Uh? Before we let you go, Jeffrey, I want to
Speaker 1: know this because I'm trying to pieces together in my mind.
Speaker 1: Do you know, off the top of your head, from
Speaker 1: Rabel playing to Vrabel being the head coach of the Titans,
Speaker 1: how long was that? Like? Did he do any assistant
Speaker 1: jobs in the interim? Was he a de coordinator?
Speaker 3: Sure? I'm sure, Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2: He was because Dan Campbell is like ten years of
Speaker 2: assistant coach.
Speaker 4: Vrabel immediately after playing became the Ohio State linebacker coach,
Speaker 4: then their d line coach for two years, then the
Speaker 4: Texans linebacker coach for three years, then the defensive coordinator
Speaker 4: for a year.
Speaker 2: So he took.
Speaker 1: About seven years to get to NFL head coach, which
Speaker 1: is kind of similar to the Dan Campbell path.
Speaker 2: Campbell's was longer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 4: I mean, if it's gonna be d On, that would
Speaker 4: be fun too because he would have went from a
Speaker 4: fake school where everybody what happened to that one I
Speaker 4: don't remember right, and then some quick coaching and then
Speaker 4: he's ready to rock. So I think we could make
Speaker 4: him co coach Go Witting and Dion coch coach I.
Speaker 1: Don't think Witten would love that. It'd be a lot
Speaker 1: of fun, though I like it. You're just cheering for
Speaker 1: chaos and just uh more madness.
Speaker 3: I quit.
Speaker 4: I quit like I reached the point of recognition, enlightenment,
Speaker 4: something like everybody's always known Jerry Jones love's attention and
Speaker 4: that you know. When he had his old Netflix trailer
Speaker 4: come out, he has three lines in it.
Speaker 3: Every single one.
Speaker 4: Of them is about promoting the brand, and none of
Speaker 4: them is about winning at football, like Jerry Jones is
Speaker 4: here to run a business, make money for him and
Speaker 4: his family and his friends, do it comfortably, all while
Speaker 4: carrying the trauma of a wound that Jimmy Johnson left
Speaker 4: on him that he still can't fill because, in theory,
Speaker 4: should have already been filled because he won a Super
Speaker 4: Bowl with Barry Switzer. He should just claim ultimate victory.
Speaker 4: But he can't because other people don't give him credit
Speaker 4: for that. And Jerry has problems. He has unhealed trauma.
Speaker 4: He needs to be in therapy and then he could
Speaker 4: try his best, but he can't. Instead, he's trying to
Speaker 4: fill a cup that has a leak in it because
Speaker 4: he can't heal from not getting all of the credit,
Speaker 4: even though he has three super Bowl championships. He's a psycho.
Speaker 4: His ego is the size of Mount Vesuvius. I just
Speaker 4: picked a random, big thing. Don't know if it's a
Speaker 4: real place like there. This team does things in a
Speaker 4: very inefficient way, in so many ways that the best
Speaker 4: teams do not.
Speaker 3: You will never win a Super Bowl. Never. You won't.
Speaker 4: It would require so much luck because the good teams
Speaker 4: that hire the best people, not the people that they're best.
Speaker 3: He's with like the people who hire the best.
Speaker 4: People and look for every little edge and how you
Speaker 4: build a team, and how you do the salary cap
Speaker 4: and what makes sense when drafting, and who are the
Speaker 4: coaches that were interested in all of these little things
Speaker 4: that the Cowboys let slip. They add up, and they
Speaker 4: add up to. You will never be better than the best.
Speaker 4: You'll be better than a bunch of teams because most
Speaker 4: teams are either going for it or tanking it so
Speaker 4: that they can go for it.
Speaker 3: Cowboys refuse to live there.
Speaker 4: We have to be relevant at all times, but we
Speaker 4: also don't want to really go for it because that
Speaker 4: involves risk.
Speaker 3: I just I'm tired. I'm tired.
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