1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:09,759 Speaker 1: This is Pet Life Radio. Let's talk pets. 2 00:00:22,719 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 2: And we are here live and I'm trying to get 3 00:00:25,879 --> 00:00:29,120 my Instagram so ready as well, let me tell you 4 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:30,920 how to get ahold of me eight seven seven three 5 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,200 eight five eight eight eighty two once again eighty seven 6 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,000 seven three eight five eight eight eighty two. Anyway, you know, 7 00:00:36,079 --> 00:00:37,479 something came up. I wanted to talk to you guys 8 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:39,600 about it. There are two things. There was an article 9 00:00:40,079 --> 00:00:42,159 and I posted this already, so we're going to share 10 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,200 it with you. Someone sent it to me and it 11 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,240 was an article basically stating that forty two percent of 12 00:00:48,359 --> 00:00:53,280 cats are allergic to fish. How's that possible, right? Forty 13 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,880 two percent allergic to fish? No way? So I asked 14 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:57,600 them to send me the article. So they sent me 15 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,600 the article and I'm reading this article and it was 16 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,560 so interesting. First of all, food allergy is something in 17 00:01:04,599 --> 00:01:06,959 cats as well. We know about it in dogs. But 18 00:01:07,439 --> 00:01:10,079 there's something called milliary dermatitis, which is a you get 19 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:14,319 these lesions all right around the mostly neck back thighe, 20 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,439 the linear granuloma, the center of granuloma complex. It's all 21 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,599 allergic and it may be in fact related to food allergy. 22 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,239 I mean other allergens as well, and then of course 23 00:01:24,239 --> 00:01:28,799 it's basic cat dermatology, dermologic problems, itching, scabs, et cetera. 24 00:01:29,159 --> 00:01:32,120 So what I found interesting is I read the article, 25 00:01:32,519 --> 00:01:36,560 and so the funny part is is that what's interesting 26 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,200 is that which is more typical of dogs, that there 27 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:46,560 are only eleven to fourteen percent of cats period have 28 00:01:46,719 --> 00:01:51,079 food allergies. Ah, now that makes sense. Of those eleven 29 00:01:51,079 --> 00:01:54,480 to fourteen percent, then the twoth that's where the number 30 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,280 came into forty two percent. Well, let's take a high number. 31 00:01:57,359 --> 00:02:00,239 Let's take forty two percent of fourteen is five point 32 00:02:00,319 --> 00:02:02,840 nine five point eight eight. So what is that telling 33 00:02:02,879 --> 00:02:05,640 you that if you look at the grand picture of 34 00:02:05,799 --> 00:02:10,719 cats that have allergies to fish, it's only six percent. 35 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,560 It's forty two percent of the fourteen percent. Anyway, that 36 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,840 was interesting to hear. We have a listener on chat, 37 00:02:16,879 --> 00:02:19,400 so let's hear what we got, all right, Chat, hold 38 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,879 on wondering what your thoughts of by all the holistic 39 00:02:21,879 --> 00:02:24,159 remedy for heartwormvention. Few of my friends have been using 40 00:02:24,159 --> 00:02:26,319 it for a while. Altis and negative had my itillion 41 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,280 for three years, no problem. So it's a good question. Again, 42 00:02:29,319 --> 00:02:31,759 I don't do holistic. I'm not against holistic at all. 43 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,639 Of that. One of my very good friends and colleagues 44 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,280 is a holistic ah who does both. And so I 45 00:02:37,319 --> 00:02:39,759 can't answer your question to say whether it's good or bad. 46 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,439 I can tell you one thing I've learned over the 47 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,120 years about holistic remedies. They're not dangerous. So if you 48 00:02:45,199 --> 00:02:48,560 have something, and I also something years ago, I've always 49 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,800 said I don't argue with success. So if in fact 50 00:02:52,199 --> 00:02:57,000 you're using something that is working continuing the heartwarm negative, 51 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,879 and you're okay with it, and you can afford it, 52 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,159 et cetera, etc. Then by all means keep using it. 53 00:03:03,599 --> 00:03:04,840 I'm not the one to say it's not going to 54 00:03:04,879 --> 00:03:07,120 work because I don't know enough about it, but I 55 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,639 will tell you that. You know, again, I don't argue 56 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,400 with success. You've been using something that's great. Now when 57 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,560 it talks about it's gotten so expensive. Plus the ingredients 58 00:03:14,599 --> 00:03:16,280 an not a list to have each your opinion. If 59 00:03:16,319 --> 00:03:19,360 the ingredients aren't realistic and now you're going back to 60 00:03:19,759 --> 00:03:23,000 a regular heartworm prevention, then I know those are safe. 61 00:03:23,199 --> 00:03:25,800 I know those are effective, so that I can say 62 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,159 that's fine. Put it this way, let's go backwards even 63 00:03:28,199 --> 00:03:30,520 more so for years and years and years, we never 64 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,120 really have mosquito problems here in southern California, so I 65 00:03:33,159 --> 00:03:36,599 never really always recommended it as an option because we 66 00:03:36,639 --> 00:03:39,400 didn't need it, so I would do flee and tick. Now, 67 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,599 years and years ago, I had interesting They said it 68 00:03:42,639 --> 00:03:48,199 was the first case of heartworm disease in a native 69 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:52,879 California dog, and it lived interestingly right near a very 70 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,960 large cemetery. I know it sounds pretty gross, and I'll 71 00:03:56,039 --> 00:03:58,520 worry about the dead arising. However, I will tell you 72 00:03:58,759 --> 00:04:02,319 that the lawns of these cemeteries are so vastly green 73 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,520 and lush, and they're watering them all the time, et cetera. 74 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,560 But when the Heartworm Prevention Society wanted to visit the location, 75 00:04:09,919 --> 00:04:13,120 which they did, they realized where it was. They said, oh, 76 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,879 that makes sense. What makes sense that there's gonna be 77 00:04:16,879 --> 00:04:21,560 a lot of heartworm mosquitos? Why because the love moisture, 78 00:04:21,759 --> 00:04:24,639 they love heat. So they went and they raised up, 79 00:04:24,639 --> 00:04:29,120 lifted up some headstones, thousands, thousands of mosquito larvae. I mean, 80 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,560 that's crazy. So that's really kind of you know, what happened, 81 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:33,240 what was going on? 82 00:04:33,639 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 3: There? 83 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,959 Speaker 2: Just so many mosquito larvae. They predicted that that in 84 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,040 the next twenty years, which is now, we are going 85 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,000 to see heartroom disease in southern California. So I see 86 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,839 mosquitoes around my home and a lot of my clients have. 87 00:04:45,959 --> 00:04:48,079 So we have started about two years ago, three years 88 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:52,360 ago recommending heartworm prevention as a routine and I'm you know, 89 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:56,120 good old fashioned interceptor or heart guard or now three 90 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:01,480 of the isoqs Azolene anti fleaentic medications, Cridelio next Guard 91 00:05:01,519 --> 00:05:05,680 in Simperica have options that also prevent heartworm. That we're 92 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,519 only giving one chewable pill once a month. It makes 93 00:05:08,519 --> 00:05:11,199 it so easy. I have yet to see a bad reaction, 94 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,600 so I sucks. Azelines can have bad reactions. So if 95 00:05:14,639 --> 00:05:17,600 you are worried about that, and it's by the way, 96 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,800 very rare, but if you are worried about that, then 97 00:05:19,879 --> 00:05:22,879 think about saying with part guard or interceptor, they're both 98 00:05:22,959 --> 00:05:25,759 very effective. I don't have that same feeling about holistic 99 00:05:25,759 --> 00:05:27,879 because I'm not. But I will tell you that if 100 00:05:27,959 --> 00:05:31,360 you have that sensitivity, Cheryl, then stick with what you 101 00:05:31,399 --> 00:05:33,920 have if it's working. But also I wouldn't be so 102 00:05:34,079 --> 00:05:38,639 worried about adding one of the more western medicine heartworm preventives, 103 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,639 because the medication is something is commonly used in many 104 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,560 other products. So I have not seen a problem. I 105 00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:47,040 hope that answers your question, and thanks for asking. So 106 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:51,040 back to the fish thing. So, yes, food allergy is 107 00:05:51,079 --> 00:05:53,959 an issue and cats, but only a very small percent 108 00:05:53,959 --> 00:05:58,439 of catsuff food allergy. And yes, of the small percentage 109 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,000 there were forty two percent have fish alergies. However, this 110 00:06:02,079 --> 00:06:06,120 article did not specify the fish. And just like an 111 00:06:06,199 --> 00:06:08,839 animals and dogs that we know, there are so many 112 00:06:08,879 --> 00:06:12,480 different antigyms you look at let's say the bovine, the bovines, 113 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,959 and you have buffalo, and you have bison, and you 114 00:06:16,079 --> 00:06:19,480 have cows, et cetera. You have beef. So are they 115 00:06:19,519 --> 00:06:23,319 the same antigen? No, you can have beef allergy coming 116 00:06:23,319 --> 00:06:27,279 from cows like angus whatever, and not allergic to bison 117 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:31,639 or buffalo. They're all cousins. So again, to say fish 118 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,279 as a broad category without identifying witch fish, I don't 119 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,560 know if they've gone so far. Is to identify with 120 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,160 fish in dogs this is better known because it's what 121 00:06:41,199 --> 00:06:45,879 we call protein novel protein diets and elimination diets is 122 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,959 so commonplace, so therefore we need to know. So that's 123 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:54,519 why I am not that concern when you hear about 124 00:06:54,519 --> 00:06:59,399 these allergies, these fish allergies whatever, because it's a small percent. 125 00:06:59,519 --> 00:07:03,600 And b when you think about any particular fish protein anigen, 126 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,800 because usually when there's allergies, that's what the issue is. 127 00:07:06,639 --> 00:07:10,240 The issue is the antigen, the engine. It's usually the protein. 128 00:07:10,399 --> 00:07:13,279 So we're looking for what we call limited protein. And 129 00:07:13,319 --> 00:07:16,279 that's why it's so important. When you're changing food from one, 130 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,600 don't say, oh my god, it has fish in it. No, 131 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,160 you want to find out with fish. So you can 132 00:07:21,199 --> 00:07:24,480 start with home cooked meals and trying different fish one 133 00:07:24,519 --> 00:07:28,560 at a time. Try salmon, try tilapia, try cod, trycarp 134 00:07:28,759 --> 00:07:31,199 try shrimp, whatever it is that you want to feed 135 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,800 your animal and see is it improving. One very difficult 136 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,439 thing to do, however, is when it comes to this issue, 137 00:07:38,519 --> 00:07:42,240 when it comes to the elimination, you have to be 138 00:07:42,319 --> 00:07:45,720 really strict. That means, during this course of the six 139 00:07:45,759 --> 00:07:49,319 to eight weeks that you're going to eliminate, whatever protein 140 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,879 you fear is the culprit, there have to be nothing else. 141 00:07:52,279 --> 00:07:55,439 In fact, we look for that's what we call single anigen. Diets. 142 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,759 We want a diet that has one source of protein 143 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,319 and either one grain or one vegetable cats that's less 144 00:08:02,319 --> 00:08:05,160 important to cats are obligate carnivores, they still like other 145 00:08:05,199 --> 00:08:07,120 things and dogs we want to get. We want to 146 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,319 stay away from the more common ones because of no 147 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,560 wonder that there are some cats that have fish allergies. Why, 148 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:18,079 because fish allergies are developed over time. For example, you 149 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,680 take a person who is allergic to bees, that first 150 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,399 beasting probably didn't affect them at all other than the 151 00:08:23,959 --> 00:08:27,480 ouch factor, But as far as a reaction, it takes 152 00:08:27,519 --> 00:08:30,120 a while to develop that reaction to the point where 153 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,960 either second or third, or fourth or fifth beasting you 154 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,240 can get anaphylactic reaction. So the first exposure is not 155 00:08:36,279 --> 00:08:39,039 a big deal. But over time, the more and more animals, 156 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,519 the more and more cats that are eating a fish diet, 157 00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:45,159 we're going to of course identify more and more. And 158 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,720 that's why the dogs the most common allergens in proteins 159 00:08:49,799 --> 00:08:53,759 are beef and chicken. Well, guess what, most dog foods 160 00:08:53,759 --> 00:08:57,159 for millennia had beef and chicken, So no wonder why 161 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,519 we're seeing more and more allergies to those things. But 162 00:08:59,799 --> 00:09:03,000 if if you've fed a bison or alligator or kangaroo 163 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,879 right or fish for example, because dog foods don't usually 164 00:09:06,919 --> 00:09:09,879 have those ingredients, chances are is not going to be 165 00:09:09,879 --> 00:09:12,840 an allergic reaction. So it's something that we have to 166 00:09:12,879 --> 00:09:17,080 sort of over time develop that knowledge and the experience 167 00:09:17,159 --> 00:09:19,759 to know is this protein going to be a problem 168 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,919 or not. So I hope that answers that question. Okay, 169 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,639 here's another thing I wanted to talk about. I teased you, 170 00:09:25,879 --> 00:09:27,679 I have teased you for the last couple of weeks 171 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,279 about fourth of July, and we know, we know it's 172 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,000 not far behind. We're about five weeks away now. So 173 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,360 I get so many calls, and I'm sure many of 174 00:09:36,399 --> 00:09:39,120 you have had experience with your pets that totally freak 175 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,480 out on fourth of July. Other than drugs and perfect 176 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,240 having this question about holistic I know a lot of 177 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,919 you don't like drugs. I'm okay with that, and there 178 00:09:47,919 --> 00:09:50,600 are some more mild. I'm a big fan of CBD. 179 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,879 I'm a big fan of even benadrill, but that's not 180 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,080 it's a drug, but it's not really a downer, but 181 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,120 it does calm the bewn a little bit. And you know, 182 00:09:59,159 --> 00:10:02,200 I have my children medication. It's not even medication. I 183 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,879 have a supplement called chill. You can get it online. 184 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,879 It's on my line, doctor Jeff Werber, and it is 185 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:12,960 Valerian passion, flower, camameal, melatonin, trip to fan. So all 186 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,440 these things that are known to have a natural calming 187 00:10:16,519 --> 00:10:20,039 effect on pets. But if you need to go to drugs, 188 00:10:20,159 --> 00:10:21,919 a lot of you don't like the idea. So here's 189 00:10:21,919 --> 00:10:25,159 a solution that is more permanent. I'm hoping you can 190 00:10:25,159 --> 00:10:27,200 accomplish it. In five weeks. You should be able to. 191 00:10:27,519 --> 00:10:29,919 And here's what we do right now. For some reason, 192 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,919 these loud noises, whether it's thunder lightning, whether it's fireworks, 193 00:10:34,159 --> 00:10:37,360 have a really negative effect on our pets. They freak out, 194 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,399 why why the loud noise. There's obviously some sort of 195 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:46,440 association that they've had over time with these loud noises 196 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,720 and it's a negative association. Ah, So what can we do? 197 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:54,279 The whole goal of treatment, permanent treatment is to change 198 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:59,679 that reaction, change that relationship between loud noise and a 199 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,600 far full of response. How do we do it? So 200 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,519 what I recommend is you want to Now it's so 201 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,399 great having internet, I mean the Internet is great for 202 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,080 some things, not so great for other things. Sometimes doctor 203 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,159 Google can scare the you know what's out of you. 204 00:11:13,799 --> 00:11:16,440 Everything is an emergency, everything is oh my gosh, now 205 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,519 your dog's gonna die. No. So my recommendation is what 206 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:24,679 you can do is start with downloading or going on 207 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,840 to a site where it's a sound effects. You can 208 00:11:29,039 --> 00:11:33,080 download almost any sound effect you can think of. Construction workers, 209 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:37,960 you go, thunder lightning, fireworks, asonic bombs, planes, taken off, 210 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,600 I mean, whatever it is. You can download those sounds. 211 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,879 And what you do is you're going to start using 212 00:11:42,919 --> 00:11:45,960 those sounds to your advantage. And as we have to 213 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,279 break for a halfway through the show, we're going to 214 00:11:48,279 --> 00:11:50,399 take a quick break and that way you're going to 215 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,840 stay online because you want to hear the solution to 216 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,360 how to train your dogs to not be afraid of 217 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,639 loud sounds and take away mark with back these short. 218 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: Messages begging to hear more of your favorite show. Full 219 00:12:06,279 --> 00:12:09,399 episodes of all our shows are available on demand. Go 220 00:12:09,519 --> 00:12:12,639 to petlife radio dot com to feed our entire lineup 221 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,600 of powsome pet podcasts. 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So 234 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:02,519 back to the fourth of July. So what do you do? 235 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,720 Is this? We want to make that same sound something 236 00:13:05,879 --> 00:13:08,799 that is positive. How do we do that? First of all, 237 00:13:09,039 --> 00:13:13,519 what do dogs respond mostly to positive reinforcement, positive reward? They 238 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,159 love positive reward. So hear what you do. You're gonna 239 00:13:16,279 --> 00:13:18,840 be in a room with the dog and you're gonna 240 00:13:18,879 --> 00:13:23,080 play this sound that you've downloaded so low that you 241 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,720 probably can't even hear it, okay, but they can. And 242 00:13:26,919 --> 00:13:30,159 when it's playing, you call your dog over and say, look, 243 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,559 oh good boy, good girl, and give a little treat. 244 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,159 Pat them really great. And then that's it. That's lesson 245 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,559 number one. Next day or two days later, do it again. 246 00:13:40,039 --> 00:13:42,320 By the third day, now you've increase the sound just 247 00:13:42,399 --> 00:13:44,639 a little and you're going to go every day or 248 00:13:44,639 --> 00:13:47,240 every other day for the next two three weeks, and 249 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,039 you're going to increase the sound a little bit, and 250 00:13:50,159 --> 00:13:52,519 every time the dog is going to become running to 251 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:57,759 you for its treat, because that sound now equates to 252 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,279 a reward. And that's exactly you know how it works. 253 00:14:01,279 --> 00:14:06,159 So slowly, but surely you're taking that sound which before 254 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:11,759 was a negative, a negative behavior elicited fear. If you listen, 255 00:14:11,759 --> 00:14:14,159 it's something to run away and hide and then also 256 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:18,840 just see and no, many of us inadvertently reward our 257 00:14:18,919 --> 00:14:22,080 dogs for the reaction. Why because what we do is 258 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:26,080 this what happens when your dog is fearful and responds 259 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,159 negatively to loud sounds? Right, what do we do? Actually, 260 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,679 we're parents. We love them. Oh you poor baby, come here, 261 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,519 You still with mom, You sit with daddy. Okay, So 262 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,399 what happens is what are you doing? They're showing fearful 263 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,840 behavior and you're calling over and rewarding them for it. 264 00:14:41,039 --> 00:14:43,159 That's the thing. It's got to be the opposite. You're 265 00:14:43,159 --> 00:14:48,120 gonna reward them for the behavior, the non reaction where 266 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:49,919 they come to you when they hear it, and they 267 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,519 know they're gonna get a reward, and they're no longer afraid. 268 00:14:53,639 --> 00:14:55,440 They're not gonna run, God of the furniture, they're not 269 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,519 gonna shiver and shape if anything, they're gonna come to 270 00:14:57,559 --> 00:14:59,879 you and they're tail wagging. Oh my god, I hear 271 00:14:59,879 --> 00:15:03,720 that sound's got I'm getting by tree. So it's something 272 00:15:03,799 --> 00:15:08,960 that is a slow, methodical process. Be patient, don't try 273 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,000 to do it all on one day. It takes two 274 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,799 three weeks to do it because you're increasing the sound 275 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,720 a little bit each period each time you do it. 276 00:15:17,039 --> 00:15:21,000 But the ultimate goal is to teach them to not 277 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:25,440 only be afraid of the sound, but to actually desire 278 00:15:25,519 --> 00:15:28,279 to want to hear it, because the association is going 279 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,919 to be a positive association. And it's so interesting because 280 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:36,080 that kind of behavior, it's a reconditioning. You're desensitizing them 281 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:40,720 to that sound, and you're actually counter conditioning them to 282 00:15:40,799 --> 00:15:44,960 not be fearful but to actually like it. And there's 283 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,600 so much of this is really good. And also through 284 00:15:47,799 --> 00:15:50,120 what was called operant conditioning. Every time you give a 285 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,759 talk a treat, you should accompany it with what pots 286 00:15:52,799 --> 00:15:54,840 on the head. You do a good boid and we'll kiss, kiss, 287 00:15:54,879 --> 00:15:59,399 hugd right. Pretty soon, that behavior is going to in 288 00:15:59,519 --> 00:16:04,159 essence place the actual treat. They're gonna get that same thrill, 289 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,879 that same rush, that same endorphin release, that feel good 290 00:16:08,279 --> 00:16:10,840 just by getting too good. Boys, you know that is 291 00:16:10,879 --> 00:16:13,519 gonna suffice not to say you shouldn't still give a treat, 292 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,639 but you don't have to give it every time and again. 293 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,480 Another training tactic that when you give a treat every 294 00:16:18,519 --> 00:16:21,480 single time, then when they get full, they don't care. 295 00:16:21,759 --> 00:16:24,559 I don't want to treat. I'm stuffed. I can only 296 00:16:24,559 --> 00:16:27,519 have somebody treats. But if you only do it, you 297 00:16:27,679 --> 00:16:30,080 keep them guessing. It might be next time, it might 298 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,440 be three more times afterwards, it might be five back 299 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,120 to one. They never know when it's gonna stop, so 300 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,879 they keep coming, and they've sown experiments with mice and 301 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,759 hitting a tab. The many experiments show that animals are 302 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,559 more responsive for longer when they don't know. They can't 303 00:16:46,559 --> 00:16:49,559 predict when if it's coming. If it never comes, they 304 00:16:49,559 --> 00:16:51,559 give up. They stop. If it comes all the time, 305 00:16:51,639 --> 00:16:54,960 they stop when they're full, But if it's intermittent and 306 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,159 it's unpredictable, they're going to keep coming, so you know, 307 00:16:58,159 --> 00:17:01,759 that's another thing that we've learned over the years. So anyway, 308 00:17:02,039 --> 00:17:03,919 what else I like to report on some of my 309 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,359 really really cool cases. We did take a we have 310 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:11,039 a very large mass on a much older dog's arm 311 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,839 that the fear was by feeling by pal painting. It 312 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,359 was in the elbow to the distal humorous area, and 313 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,720 it was really really aggressive and it was very well 314 00:17:22,799 --> 00:17:25,519 deeply attached, and we thought, God, it's gonna be a 315 00:17:25,519 --> 00:17:28,079 tough one to get because it's so high up, it's 316 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:30,319 going up and it's sort of like attached on the 317 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,759 top to an area called the brachial plexus on the 318 00:17:33,079 --> 00:17:35,920 proximal end of the humorous going into the armpit. It's 319 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,480 going to be a really tough dissection. But we figured, 320 00:17:39,519 --> 00:17:43,400 all right, our original plan was to amputate. So it's 321 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,720 a tough thing to do on an older dog. But 322 00:17:46,079 --> 00:17:49,240 they do fine. I mean, the one who feels worse 323 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,279 about and three legged dog is the owner. Dogs really 324 00:17:52,319 --> 00:17:54,920 could care less. They get along just fine anyway. Feeling 325 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,359 it again, we'd say, you know, well, if we're planning 326 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:01,160 and the owner's planning to okay with amputation, then why 327 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:02,880 not try it first? Let's see if we can resect 328 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,920 it first, so we went in open slow dissection. It 329 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,640 turned out to be a huge but it was mostly 330 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,160 a very firm what appeared to be fat. I called 331 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,440 it l like poma, but not soft and mushy. It 332 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,720 was rock hard, but some could be like that, probably 333 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,799 because it was in such a compressed area that there 334 00:18:20,839 --> 00:18:23,720 was no place for it to continue to expand. So instead, 335 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,799 as the fat sales were multiplying and multiplying and multiplying, 336 00:18:27,039 --> 00:18:29,880 which is what a tumor cells do, because they couldn't 337 00:18:30,039 --> 00:18:34,039 push out, it just started compressing and making the mass 338 00:18:34,039 --> 00:18:37,680 more and more and more dense, so it was very thick. 339 00:18:37,799 --> 00:18:41,359 So we were able to with some pretty tricky dissection 340 00:18:41,799 --> 00:18:44,799 is actually remove this tumor. You can imagine the phone 341 00:18:44,839 --> 00:18:48,240 call the owners when we told them that the good 342 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,000 news were out of surgery. The better news we didn't 343 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,640 have to implicate, and we were able to remove this mass. 344 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,359 It looks like an even the dog is already thirteen 345 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,720 years old. Big dog. Even if it comes back, we 346 00:18:58,759 --> 00:19:01,680 couldn't get every single less fat cell that might be 347 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,000 over multiplying. It's going to take months and months, probably 348 00:19:05,039 --> 00:19:07,319 at more than a year, but we felt good about it. 349 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,839 We think we got it all anyway, even if we didn't. 350 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,960 So the truth is this dog, unlikely, a large breed 351 00:19:13,039 --> 00:19:14,960 like this, is not going to live much past fourteen 352 00:19:15,039 --> 00:19:18,400 or fifteen. So chances are we save this dog's lay. 353 00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:20,400 And that's where it boils down to. I have to 354 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,960 tell you, and I've mentioned this before that when we 355 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,599 get to do something like this and we actually can 356 00:19:26,799 --> 00:19:28,839 not only save a life, but in this case save 357 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,480 a limb, and the effect that it had on the 358 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:37,359 owners was and the dog most importantly obviously was amazing. 359 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,799 So we got so so lucky that we were able 360 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,079 to do this for the dog. And now this dog 361 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,799 is I mean great, So it's it's perfect, all right. 362 00:19:45,799 --> 00:19:48,400 Any other questions we have and also, as I said, 363 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,279 as if you weren't here last week, as we're planning 364 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,839 your summer vacations and you're planning on taking your pets 365 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,880 with you, make sure the whole the keyword there was planning. 366 00:19:58,079 --> 00:20:00,640 Whether you're taking them or not planning to take them, 367 00:20:00,839 --> 00:20:04,000 you need to make alternative plans for the pet. Is 368 00:20:04,039 --> 00:20:06,240 it if somebody coming in a pet center, are you 369 00:20:06,279 --> 00:20:08,519 taking the dog out to a pet center? What is 370 00:20:08,599 --> 00:20:11,279 going to be your plan. If you're going to a hotel, 371 00:20:11,599 --> 00:20:13,720 is it pet friendly? If it is pet friendly, is 372 00:20:13,759 --> 00:20:16,640 there a size limitation of the pet? All too often 373 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,519 i've heard this story where you show up with your 374 00:20:18,799 --> 00:20:21,200 eighty to ninety pound dog and they have a thirty 375 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,960 five pound weight limit. So now you're up. You know 376 00:20:24,039 --> 00:20:27,200 what's creek. So these are the things you really have 377 00:20:27,279 --> 00:20:30,680 to bring. Are you prepared to bring enough food and meds? 378 00:20:30,759 --> 00:20:32,880 Let's say you get delayed, don't just count the number 379 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,480 of dates you're going to be weigh and a week 380 00:20:34,599 --> 00:20:37,839 just in case. Better to have and not need than 381 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,279 need and not have. So you just have a picture, 382 00:20:40,319 --> 00:20:42,559 make sure your pet has ID. As you're traveling, you're 383 00:20:42,559 --> 00:20:44,960 traveling by car, then make sure you bring a big 384 00:20:45,039 --> 00:20:48,000 jug of your local water. And then at every stop 385 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:52,000 just continue to topic. So that way you're slowly introducing 386 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,680 the different water supplies from the different regions in different 387 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,200 areas into your home water. All these little tidbits of 388 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:02,039 information it should be very very help. So most importantly, 389 00:21:02,039 --> 00:21:04,480 have fun. And again, if you're going into an area 390 00:21:04,799 --> 00:21:06,759 we talked about a heart room disease. If you're going 391 00:21:06,759 --> 00:21:09,160 into an area, for example, that has a bigger tick 392 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,319 problem or a mosquito problem, or a lime disease problem 393 00:21:12,319 --> 00:21:15,000 that you don't have where you are. Make sure you 394 00:21:15,039 --> 00:21:18,119 call ahead to your relatives or friends or the hotel 395 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:22,440 wherever you're staying. Find out from a local veterinarian what injections, 396 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,240 what vaccines might you need for where you're traveling to 397 00:21:26,559 --> 00:21:28,839 that you may not need at your point of origin. 398 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,799 So you got to be prepared to make the differences, 399 00:21:31,839 --> 00:21:35,559 make the changes. So that's also pretty important. So anyway, 400 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,960 I think that's all we have time for today. I 401 00:21:38,079 --> 00:21:40,720 will be here next week, same time, same channel here 402 00:21:40,759 --> 00:21:43,119 on pet Life Radio, and then again during the week. 403 00:21:43,319 --> 00:21:44,720 If you need to get a hold of me, you 404 00:21:44,759 --> 00:21:48,960 can just doctor jeffipetlifradio dot com. You can also reach 405 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:53,640 me on Instagram, Verbs, Underscore, DVM and all these things. 406 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,200 We can have a fun time. Glad you can join 407 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,640 me here on pet Life Radio and again we'll see 408 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,079 you next week, same time, same channel, And if you 409 00:22:01,079 --> 00:22:02,920 have any questions good in the week, please reach out 410 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,000 to me. And by the way, if it's really important, 411 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,359 you don't have to wait till Sunday. I'll be happy 412 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,920 the emails quote come to me. I will answer you 413 00:22:10,039 --> 00:22:11,759 right away if you want me to. If it's a 414 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,759 check question, you can also join me here on air 415 00:22:14,839 --> 00:22:17,079 vet if you haven't downloaded air vet. You have a 416 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,519 live conversation with a veterinarian, So there are so many 417 00:22:19,799 --> 00:22:23,160 options and opportunities you have, so keep me posted and 418 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:24,079 we'll see you next week. 419 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 3: Ab Let's Talk Pets every week on demand only on 420 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:47,240 petlife Radio dot com.