Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Texas Tribune trip Cast for
Speaker 1: April twenty first, twenty twenty six. My name is Matthew Watkins,
Speaker 1: editor in chief of the Texas Tribune, and my co
Speaker 1: host Eleanor is on assignment taking a nap. I'm not
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Speaker 1: she's an assignment in North Texas and she'll be back
Speaker 1: next week. So this week I am joined by our
Speaker 1: politics reporter al Hunter Serrano. Hello, Aleandro, And I'm joined
Speaker 1: by Houston Chronicle City hall reporter Abby Church. Hi, Abby,
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1: Happy to see you guys, Yeah, great to have you. Today.
Speaker 1: We're talking about the latest iteration of Greg Abbot versus
Speaker 1: Texas Citi's, you know, a common fight in Texas, and
Speaker 1: this time the fight is over police department's cooperation with ICE.
Speaker 1: Last week, Abbot threatened to hold two hundred million dollars
Speaker 1: in state fund for Austin, Dallas, and Houston back from
Speaker 1: those cities over his allegations that were breaking state law
Speaker 1: by not cooperating with ICE. The cities are having varied responses.
Speaker 1: It seems like maybe today Abby, we will hear from
Speaker 1: Houston about whether it's going to change its policies, but
Speaker 1: we're going to sort of just break this down a
Speaker 1: little bit and talk about what's happening. Abby. I want
Speaker 1: to start with you. Could you just like explain for
Speaker 1: us what the policy is right now in Houston in
Speaker 1: terms of working with ice and how if it all
Speaker 1: has that sort of shifted over the last you know,
Speaker 1: few weeks.
Speaker 2: All right, so about it was a couple of weeks
Speaker 2: ago now, But the Whitmyer administration, Mary John Whitmyer, he's
Speaker 2: our mayor. He used to be a senator for the
Speaker 2: last like fifty years. But he introduced this policy that
Speaker 2: would require ice. Goodness, sorry, my brain. It would require
Speaker 2: Houston police officers to wait on scene for thirty minus
Speaker 2: for immigration officials to come to the scene when there's
Speaker 2: an administrative hit through the NCIC system when cops are
Speaker 2: pulling someone over. And that policy was quickly undone by
Speaker 2: a proposal that was brought forward by a trio of
Speaker 2: council members under Proposition A. As you two, you probably know,
Speaker 2: Houston has a strong mayor system, but voters passed a
Speaker 2: charter amendment in twenty twenty three that allows council members
Speaker 2: a little bit more power in putting policy on the
Speaker 2: agenda and getting that passed. So effectively, what that policy
Speaker 2: did when the council members passed it was eliminate that
Speaker 2: thirty minute requirement and basically reinstated all of the Fourth
Speaker 2: Amendment requirements by federal law essentially.
Speaker 1: Okay, And this decision by Whitmyer to impose this policy,
Speaker 1: this thirty minute policy, what did he say about that
Speaker 1: at the time?
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, he Oh goodness, I can't remember off
Speaker 2: the top of my head. I was not the one
Speaker 2: at that presser. It was my colleague Matt to grud
Speaker 2: But I mean they had basically an introduce set policy
Speaker 2: at a time after the Houston Chronicle had reported that
Speaker 2: two people were handed over to ice officials by police officers,
Speaker 2: which is obviously a shock to everybody. And I mean
Speaker 2: the way that they approached it, it was basically something
Speaker 2: that needed to happen, is what they said at the time.
Speaker 1: Gotcha. And the pushback I assume is, you know, there
Speaker 1: is a lot of you know, Texas's big cities lean
Speaker 1: a little bit more blue than the rest of the state.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of concern among voters, people you know,
Speaker 1: in the Democratic Party on the left side of the
Speaker 1: political spectrum about you know, what Ice is doing out there.
Speaker 1: This was essentially like a pushback by those members from
Speaker 1: you know, feeling as though, you know, a city like
Speaker 1: Houston should not be participating. Do I have that right, Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean I think some of it is that. I mean,
Speaker 2: naturally you have that with the blue cities versus the
Speaker 2: red state leadership. But I like, I think what a
Speaker 2: lot of this comes down to too. I mean a
Speaker 2: lot of it's really confusing, right because you have other
Speaker 2: city across the state, other large cities that have passed
Speaker 2: similar policies, but just did it in a slightly different
Speaker 2: way than Houston did. So when you're looking at Austin
Speaker 2: and Dallas, what they did was not necessarily take this
Speaker 2: to the public and have the council members vote on
Speaker 2: it in public. They did general orders through their police department,
Speaker 2: so it was a little bit more under the radar.
Speaker 2: So the way that Houston handled this was a little
Speaker 2: bit more public, a little bit more out there, and
Speaker 2: I think that is what caused a little bit more
Speaker 2: attention on Houston and why the hammer fell on Houston
Speaker 2: a little bit sooner than it did other cities that
Speaker 2: had past policies that were that went a little bit
Speaker 2: farther than Houston's.
Speaker 1: Oh Hunter, Governor Abbot argues that this violates sbfore the
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen version of SB four tell us a little
Speaker 1: bit about that law.
Speaker 3: We have two very controversial immigration related s before. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean this is before it was called the sanctuary
Speaker 3: city ban. And it's interesting that we're at this point now.
Speaker 3: We consider the federal politics as well, because Senator Charles
Speaker 3: Perry had tried to pass this ban going back twenty
Speaker 3: eleven and it had repeatedly failed, and he pretty much
Speaker 3: didn't want locals, whether it's a city council or police
Speaker 3: department or campus police department, to tell officers, hey, don't
Speaker 3: work with ice. And it was kind of like in
Speaker 3: a stude observation on the Senator because it obviously became
Speaker 3: a big tool for locales around the country when President
Speaker 3: Trump was first elected, and it kind of was local
Speaker 3: governments kind of became the source of the resistance quote unquote. Well,
Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen, this law passes and it says that
Speaker 3: locals can't limit cooperation with ICE, and it's kind of
Speaker 3: goes through a legal battle, and ultimately the understanding is
Speaker 3: that you can't tell officers, hey, you're not allowed to
Speaker 3: ask people about immigration status, which is kind of like
Speaker 3: the bare minimum, you know. You also they can't you know,
Speaker 3: they can't add bureaucracy, they can't limit the actual cooperation
Speaker 3: with ICE, you know, whether it's detainers or what have you,
Speaker 3: and it kind of goes untested. Was this big legal challenge,
Speaker 3: as I mentioned, resolved eventually and then there's never really
Speaker 3: any hoopla until now. And it was kind of like
Speaker 3: one of the big questions. I remember when the president
Speaker 3: was first elected. We did a story the Immigration Reporter
Speaker 3: and I about kind of like, well, how our local
Speaker 3: government's gonna respond, And no one really wanted to draw
Speaker 3: the wrath of either Austin or the White House. But
Speaker 3: here we are.
Speaker 1: Now, right, Yeah, I want to talk about that sort
Speaker 1: of political dynamic here in a little bit. But let's
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about just the impact of pulling
Speaker 1: these funds. First, Abbot has made the threat against Houston.
Speaker 1: I believe it's around one hundred and ten million dollars
Speaker 1: in grants, one hundred.
Speaker 2: And fourteen million dollars. Actually Land sold it a little bit,
Speaker 2: Yeah you.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Austin a much smaller amount. I think around
Speaker 1: like two point five million Dallas thirty two million dollars
Speaker 1: in grants plus public safety funding for the World Cup,
Speaker 1: which is of course happening in the DFW area soon.
Speaker 1: That amount is fifty five million for the World Cup funding.
Speaker 1: What is this money supposed to do? And how does
Speaker 1: Abbot have the ability to pull it back or does he?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think Abby, you might also understand, like the weeds
Speaker 3: a little more. But in particular with Houston, the Governor's
Speaker 3: office has a sub office called the Public Safety Office,
Speaker 3: and they administer a bunch of grants to government's up
Speaker 3: and down the state, and they fund all sorts of
Speaker 3: things for local police departments. And in this case, Mayor
Speaker 3: wit Meyer is saying it's going to affect FIFA planning
Speaker 3: and safety. But Abby, I don't know if you know
Speaker 3: a little more details.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I do. So Basically, we're kind of in
Speaker 2: the same situation as Dallas with that FIFA money, but
Speaker 2: the city was awarded around sixty five million dollars to
Speaker 2: cover FIFA security and basically what that's going toward in Houston,
Speaker 2: we have a really big problem with overtime over at
Speaker 2: the police Department and the fire department and solid waste.
Speaker 2: But when you're looking about at World Cup and how
Speaker 2: that's going to impact the police department when you already
Speaker 2: have a problem with overtime, this sixty five million dollars
Speaker 2: in particular was going to be very instrumental to helping
Speaker 2: the city not further itself into the budget hole that
Speaker 2: it's already kind of found itself in. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: like officials over here are kind of the inquitment impossible
Speaker 2: situation if I'm being honest, Like you have people being
Speaker 2: asked like, Okay, are you going to stick with this
Speaker 2: policy or are we going to risk losing one hundred
Speaker 2: and fourteen million dollars when the city doesn't have that
Speaker 2: financial wherewithal to even replace it if they did lose it.
Speaker 2: You know. So there's so many things that are going
Speaker 2: to go unfunded, and that includes things like protection for
Speaker 2: people who are victims of domestic violence. That includes things
Speaker 2: for like street gang grants. So they have a couple
Speaker 2: of different things, but it's a lot of things that
Speaker 2: are like really out in the committee community that are
Speaker 2: going to affect people who are also victims of crime.
Speaker 1: So what is Witmeyer saying? Now, how did he respond
Speaker 1: to this threat?
Speaker 2: So basically it's been a little bit of a back
Speaker 2: and forth. But as soon as this threat came out,
Speaker 2: he talked to a couple of reporters and he was
Speaker 2: of the opinion that the policy needed to be corrected.
Speaker 2: He turned it back on the council members who put
Speaker 2: forward the proposal, and he basically said that he had
Speaker 2: warmed them of the ramifications that the state could get involved.
Speaker 2: And since then it has just been a back and
Speaker 2: forth of Okay, what exactly are we going to do.
Speaker 2: But all of this has been a little confounding to
Speaker 2: some people because what Myer initially voted to support the proposal,
Speaker 2: right because he said that it made a statement that
Speaker 2: they were listening to the community and following through on
Speaker 2: their concerns.
Speaker 1: I'll just note here, Abby, you don't have to comment
Speaker 1: on this if you don't want to, but of course
Speaker 1: you mentioned said to a couple of reporters, worth noting
Speaker 1: that mayor Withitmeyra refusing to talk to the biggest newspaper
Speaker 1: in the city. Disappointing decision by the mayor there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been some time, right, Abby.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so his has not talked to us since
Speaker 2: August twenty twenty five. But I know he'll answer questions
Speaker 2: sometimes just on the fly, like if there how am
Speaker 2: I going to say this? He'll sometimes answer questions on
Speaker 2: the fly from the chronicle if it's kind of just
Speaker 2: like on the spot. And that was basically the situation
Speaker 2: that one of our reporters was in when he was
Speaker 2: able to get that quote from the mayor about how
Speaker 2: the only legal opinion that mattered was the governor's. I
Speaker 2: know that quote in and of itself drove a lot
Speaker 2: of the news last week, But yeah, one of our
Speaker 2: reporters just happened to be in the right place at
Speaker 2: the right time, and they were doing a press conference
Speaker 2: ahead of FIFA. I know, we're gonna be hosting around
Speaker 2: seven World Cup games, but it was about human trafficking,
Speaker 2: and of course he got the opportunity to ask a
Speaker 2: couple of questions and we were able to get that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's that's the situation. But yeah, no, it's
Speaker 2: definitely been hard covering the administration without having the administration
Speaker 2: be able to comment on things since August's real quick.
Speaker 3: I mean it's a testament to Jabby's reporting her colleagues.
Speaker 3: A proud Houston Chronicle alum, but especially like the police coverage,
Speaker 3: this issue has been bubbling for months and months before
Speaker 3: it reached this point, and just slow trickle revelations of
Speaker 3: how HPD was cooperating, even as the Whitmyer insisted that
Speaker 3: the department.
Speaker 1: Wasn't absolutely absolutely. So you mentioned the the sort of
Speaker 1: awkward political position that these mayors find that that's one
Speaker 1: word for it. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: not lost under me. I've always found it fascinating that
Speaker 1: these three cities, three of the four five biggest cities
Speaker 1: in the state, they all have like a little bit
Speaker 1: something in common, which is they all have former legislators
Speaker 1: representing them. Uh. And also like kind of were lifted
Speaker 1: to power despite being Democrats by like, you know, at
Speaker 1: least with in addition to other support, the support from
Speaker 1: more people representing the political right, I know, like you
Speaker 1: talked about Whitmeyer. Eric Johnson has since become a Republican
Speaker 1: since being elect to mayor of Dallas, Kirk Watson and
Speaker 1: Austin was a member of the Senate. He has i
Speaker 1: think taken great steps to not get into a big
Speaker 1: fight with the state government, which obviously has a lot
Speaker 1: of work to do, talk about just like this sort
Speaker 1: of like it's interesting to me how this has sort
Speaker 1: of played out where despite all of that, they're really
Speaker 1: kind of feeling the heat right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's interesting because in Dallas, at least my read,
Speaker 3: you know, follow following the news, we don't report on this,
Speaker 3: you know, day and day out. The police department's been
Speaker 3: really vocal and like the Union two has kind of
Speaker 3: supported the measures in believing that it's legal. And in Austin,
Speaker 3: the mayor, in a low key way, disagreed with the governor.
Speaker 3: He was like, we believe this CISTE and compliance with
Speaker 3: Senate bill forr and federal law, and we think it's
Speaker 3: just offering some clarity, what you know. According to some
Speaker 3: some legal experts, they agree the way they read these ordinances,
Speaker 3: they're kind of like very in the weeds about like
Speaker 3: what you can do and can do. And obviously the
Speaker 3: response in Houston, you know, another member of the Texas Senate,
Speaker 3: between John Whitmyer and Kirk Watson, had a very different response.
Speaker 3: So I think it just speaks to how there is
Speaker 3: no no I guess playbook for this for Democrats and
Speaker 3: even also like obviously think Republicans are also struggling with
Speaker 3: this a bit, like how do you talk about immigration
Speaker 3: right now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like these mayors, these city councils have
Speaker 1: to sort of make a decision about maybe they do
Speaker 1: think they're in the right here, but how much do
Speaker 1: they want to risk that right going to court? Obviously,
Speaker 1: you know it's a all Republican elected Supreme Court that
Speaker 1: might be inclined to see things more the Greg Abbott
Speaker 1: way than the city's way. It would be a very
Speaker 1: big risk financially to sort of say we're going to
Speaker 1: fight this, We're going to keep doing these policies that
Speaker 1: you've targeted.
Speaker 3: Right, And I was trying to think of like comparable situations.
Speaker 3: I mean, you might know covering the city, but I
Speaker 3: mean maybe like Harvey funds, Like I don't know the
Speaker 3: last time, like cities were like we disagree here and
Speaker 3: we're gonna you know, entro ears long drawn out battle
Speaker 3: with the school.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't have a good example of the
Speaker 2: year's long drawn out battle. I know, obviously, everything with
Speaker 2: the GLO and Harvey funding. I know that was obviously
Speaker 2: that is still ongoing basically. I mean, we're never going
Speaker 2: to hear the end of that one. But the most
Speaker 2: recent thing that I can think of was, I believe
Speaker 2: it was in October, but the state cracked down pretty
Speaker 2: heavily on Houston after We've had this rainbow crosswalk. It
Speaker 2: was painted after there was a kid, a young man
Speaker 2: who died at the intersection there over by LTMPO and Montrose.
Speaker 2: But he they painted that crosswalk in honor of him.
Speaker 2: And it has been painted over and repainted like a
Speaker 2: whole bunch of different times, just due to road construction.
Speaker 2: You know, Houston Roads very awful. You got to refill everything.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so they repainted it, and the governor took
Speaker 2: notice and and he put out this thing that said,
Speaker 2: if anyone has political ideologies on their street, we're going
Speaker 2: to take away tech stop funding. Right, So this is
Speaker 2: something that Houston has faced, like just in the recent past,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So, and that was something
Speaker 2: where Houston also didn't choose to fight back, and they
Speaker 2: also chose to just pave over that crosswalk, you know.
Speaker 2: So to this day, there's no more rainbow in that intersection.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And then you look at Austin Watson, like
Speaker 1: I said, seems very interested in not getting into a
Speaker 1: big fight. It's a much smaller amount of money. But
Speaker 1: you look at his quote after this happened, you know,
Speaker 1: he says, talks about the great progress Austin has made
Speaker 1: in public safety in recent years. He says, there's great
Speaker 1: irony that the state would try to punish the city
Speaker 1: for providing services that keep Austinite safe by threatening grants
Speaker 1: that keep Austin safe. I mean, you know, that seemed
Speaker 1: that read to me like a little bit of like
Speaker 1: the most subtle dig possible to say, Like, weren't you
Speaker 1: all talking about a few years ago, you know, defunding
Speaker 1: the police and how that was the worst possible thing
Speaker 1: that you could do in these cities.
Speaker 3: No, And I think politically it kind of this this
Speaker 3: must be a win for Democrats in Austin that they're
Speaker 3: for once not the punching bag like that. Houston is
Speaker 3: kind of like, I know, Houston's also often a punching bag,
Speaker 3: But this could have gone a very different way, being
Speaker 3: that often is kind of like in the crosshairs of
Speaker 3: state leaders.
Speaker 1: Often Abby, How is this playing out politically? On the
Speaker 1: ground in Houston, Like, what about the pressure from the
Speaker 1: other side is when.
Speaker 2: My feeling that, you know, I think it's like a
Speaker 2: kind of hard to tell. But he recently said in
Speaker 2: an interview that, like his opinion is that this is
Speaker 2: all about politics, right, Like, and if you really sit
Speaker 2: back and look at it, I mean, I do think
Speaker 2: there's a merit to what he's saying. You have Abbott
Speaker 2: running a reelection campaign. You have it John Cornyan running
Speaker 2: a reelection campaign against Ken Paxton, and that race is
Speaker 2: obviously like very close and everything. So I mean, you
Speaker 2: have all of these people on the Republican side basically
Speaker 2: diving in trying to like make a difference here and
Speaker 2: say like, oh this is wrong, this is right, you know.
Speaker 2: So I definitely think that plays into it. But I
Speaker 2: mean I think only time will tell, Like I mean,
Speaker 2: they're going to be voting on this tomorrow to see
Speaker 2: like how exactly this is going to go. I think
Speaker 2: one thing that is really important here is that the
Speaker 2: administration is now looking at simply amending that proposal. So
Speaker 2: they're currently working on ironing out that language. We don't
Speaker 2: really know what that is going to say yet, but
Speaker 2: we're running right down to the wire here. So yeah,
Speaker 2: weol know a little bit more tomorrow, so it stays tuned.
Speaker 3: It's a leven I see the Clucks eleven fifty am
Speaker 3: as we recorded this, and that language still has not
Speaker 3: circulated or been posted officially.
Speaker 1: Is there a deadline that these cities need to figure
Speaker 1: this out by?
Speaker 2: So Houston has until tomorrow to figure it out or
Speaker 2: they have to pay back that one hundred and fourteen
Speaker 2: million dollars.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, very good.
Speaker 2: They originally had until Monday, but the Governor's office extended
Speaker 2: it to Wednesday.
Speaker 1: Excellent. So, I uh, where does this go from here?
Speaker 1: Do you think all jundra? I mean we mentioned that
Speaker 1: Houston situation. I think Abbott kind of win after the
Speaker 1: other two cities a little bit later. Are they they
Speaker 1: have a little bit more time to figure it out.
Speaker 1: Are they signaling that they're going to do any changes here? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think it's interesting reading the tea lees from from
Speaker 3: the Attorney General and the governor because it seems like
Speaker 3: they're not letting up on immigration and they're running statewide
Speaker 3: campaigns and it's kind of become this radioactive issue. But
Speaker 3: I don't see them backing down now. I think I
Speaker 3: think either cities are going to reverse course or there
Speaker 3: are going to be maybe like tinier battles. I don't
Speaker 3: know if it's gonna end up being like a massive battle,
Speaker 3: because I think I was a part of what's being
Speaker 3: lost in the conversations, Like the actions these cities have
Speaker 3: taken are kind of like lesser than what was happening,
Speaker 3: you know during Trump one, where where cities were doing
Speaker 3: much more drastic things in the name of like protecting
Speaker 3: their undocumented residents. So I think that it's going to
Speaker 3: be a man of some cities reversing course and some
Speaker 3: maybe entering these tiny battles and trying to find a compromise,
Speaker 3: similar to like last year, there was this incident out
Speaker 3: of people remember kind of flew under the radar really
Speaker 3: early in the Trump administration, the Attorney General accuse Dallas
Speaker 3: of similarly violating this SPFORE and then put in a
Speaker 3: bunch of records requests as his office does, and started investigating.
Speaker 3: And then there was kind of like a quiet resolution
Speaker 3: and then investigation went away. So I think it's gonna
Speaker 3: be a mix of those things.
Speaker 1: It's it's been. It's an interesting political dynamic for Abbott too.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's given us no reason to
Speaker 1: believe that he doesn't, since he isn't sincerely angry and
Speaker 1: frustrated with these cities are doing it. There are a
Speaker 1: lot of people in his party, probably him included, that
Speaker 1: feel very strongly that these police departments should be cooperating
Speaker 1: with ICE. But it has also, you know, been a
Speaker 1: very effective strategy for Republicans in recent years to blast
Speaker 1: Democrats for being soft domed immigration or you know, letting
Speaker 1: crime run rampant in the streets, or however they might
Speaker 1: want to frame it. But it's interesting because you know,
Speaker 1: the political winds have felt like they've shifted a little bit, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's just this morning I was speaking with
Speaker 3: our immigration editor and it's like, how like, if you're
Speaker 3: a Republican R and I guess one of the big
Speaker 3: questions like, how do you talk about this because you
Speaker 3: kind of don't know where voters stand after you know,
Speaker 3: almost two years of the President's immigration cracked down, especially
Speaker 3: here in Texas where I think it's been hasn't had
Speaker 3: the fanfare of elsewhere in the country, but it's you know,
Speaker 3: we have the most attention centers, we have the most
Speaker 3: like the second most agreements with ice and the state
Speaker 3: police is like helping on the side of the road.
Speaker 3: Like I think the state is cooperating so much that
Speaker 3: we still haven't seen the impact on the electorate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, if you looked at the you know,
Speaker 1: election results in twenty twenty four or other times, right,
Speaker 1: you know, there seemed to be a message from voters
Speaker 1: that many of them, at least those in the middle
Speaker 1: and on the right, felt that Democrats were being way
Speaker 1: too soft on immigration. But if you look at the
Speaker 1: polls now, particularly among Hispanic voters in Texas and elsewhere,
Speaker 1: there seems to be a feeling that Trump is going
Speaker 1: way too far. And how does that fit in? Of course,
Speaker 1: Greg Abbott is up for reelection this year against a
Speaker 1: candidate who, you know, I have to be imagined, is
Speaker 1: pretty unhappy about you know, who has represented Austin in
Speaker 1: the legislature and is unhappy about the way this is
Speaker 1: going down totally.
Speaker 3: I mean safe to say Democrats are feeling hopeful, whether
Speaker 3: they're looking at you know, primary turnout or the special
Speaker 3: election st nine up in Terren County when it comes
Speaker 3: to Hispanic voters and some of that pulling about buyer's remorse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. Okay, Well, we are right at the end
Speaker 1: of our time here for today, so that will do it.
Speaker 1: Pay attention to the Chronicle and the Texts Tribune for
Speaker 1: updates on where this story is heading, because by the
Speaker 1: time you're listening to this, it's possible we will have
Speaker 1: seen some changes there from from the mayor and that ordinance.
Speaker 1: But Abby, thank you, I know you're busy. Thank you
Speaker 1: for taking a little bit of time to walk us
Speaker 1: through this.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, thank you both for having me on. I
Speaker 2: appreciate it.
Speaker 1: And thank you Alejandro, always a pleasure, all right, and
Speaker 1: a big thank you to Robin Chris, our producers as well.
Speaker 1: We will talk to y'all next week.