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coming at you with the one the Only Mort Jensen

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We're coming at you early to start your weekend so

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that we can do the Eastern Conference portion of unfinished

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business potentially for every NBA team in some situations, we're

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just sort of asking questions this conference relative to the West.

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whole lot more that needs to get done. So we're

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gonna find stuff to talk about because that's what we do.

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But first and foremost more, how the heck are you well?

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like when I do my OnlyFans content, I also trip.

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Speaker 1: Just do acid on your only Evans? Is that?

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Speaker 2: But dude? Yeah? And you know what I just I

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closed the chat off, so it's only me in there.

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That's that's the most fun part.

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Speaker 1: Any thoughts notes on this exercise before we dive in,

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and we're gonna try to not do we did like

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Speaker 2: We went way too long. So like my one note

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here is, let's just try to keep it to four

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if we get out of here in

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seventy five, that's a that's a big accomplishment for us.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I might actually open up the only fans

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account if we get out of here in seventy five minutes.

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Speaker 1: Well, we did have. When I posted about this on

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our like YouTube post community section whatever it is, someone

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said the views would be higher if you would wear

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a tank top, and clearly you didn't see that comment

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because you're just in a regular T shirt.

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Speaker 2: So I have one somewhere.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get started. We're gonna go in alphabetical order,

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because we like to live dangerously in anyone who's watch

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just before I understands that that's always a little bit risky.

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We begin with the Atlanta Hawks. This one's actually interesting.

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This might be actually the most interesting topic of the

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entire thing, the Tree Young extension. Depending on where you

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think the cap is going to come in at next year,

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I just have it at seven percent because I'm an alarmist.

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As we established so last time when we did the

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Western Conference, he can sign for like four years two

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hundred and twenty something million around there, it does seem

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universal among people that he's not going to get that,

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which I just find fascinating for someone who's an All

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NBA caliber player. Where do you land on this mort.

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Speaker 2: So I've just written about this over at Yahoo here today.

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I don't know if it's published yet, but basically, the

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Mikhail Bridges extension that checked in at one hundred and

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fifty million, I think thirty seven and a half million

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per year. I think that's a big indicator of where

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the market is right now. Like NBA, seams are fully

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aware that they just can't hand out you know, twenty

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five or thirty percent max is to you know, fringe

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all stars anymore because those aprons are legitimately restrictive. They

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are a problem. So now they're really trying to communicate

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with their players to let them. Know, Look, you'll get paid,

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you just won't receive as big of a cap push

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and it's as usual. Now. Obviously this doesn't include guys

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like Luka, Dawn Chase, those guys. Obviously there are still

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Speaker 1: You think Nico is a MAX players.

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Speaker 2: That's christ I know it's it's yeah right.

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Speaker 1: Or the dude cares more about horses than he does

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about winning NBA games.

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Speaker 2: I actually do you think that's true? But that doesn't

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then I don't care. I don't care about that. You

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can care about two things at the same time.

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Speaker 1: Man, No you can't. No, you can't.

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 1: That's NBA players. They only have. It's like those comments.

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I don't know if they're still I don't know if

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they're still frequent. People like why aren't you in the gym?

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Why are you posting about your five year old birthday

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or some shit?

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Speaker 2: Yeah I hear yeah, Like, oh yeah, the guys is

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in the gym twenty fourth literally twenty four to seven.

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He's not supposed to sleep with the hell.

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Speaker 1: I prefer my celebrities to be more relatable, and so

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the fact that like Kevin Durant is like terminally online.

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what he says, but I just appreciate.

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Speaker 2: It absolutely and like but but getting back to answering

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your question, Dan.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, we got two and a half hours to phill.

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Speaker 2: Remember no, But I think we're seeing a major differential

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between the superstars and the stars. And to me, the

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Trey Young discussions doesn't start with Trey Young. It starts

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in a couple day with the Aaron Fox. That's when

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we really begin to see, like, what is the effect here?

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like I don't think. And this was kind of the

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point I made in the in the Who piece as well,

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which is like, I think the Spurs, for example, have

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to look at that contract, the Bridges contract and go, okay,

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so where do we actually rank Fox and all this

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because he's clearly not the most important player on the team.

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He's clearly not like it's her one superstar, Like he's

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in that middle area where he's an all star, but

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he's not a superstar, Like can we even justify a

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thirty percent cap hit on him? I don't think necessarily

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they're going in and deciding already and saying no, but

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they're not going in immediately going yeah automatically either, like

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that's a conversation. I'm fairly sure that's a conversation they're

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having internally and have had for a while. If he

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agrees to something along the lines of twenty twenty two

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percent instead of the thirty percent, I think that's going

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to reflect something in Trey Young's extension box as well.

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I basically, I'd be very surprised if teams are just

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handing out full ride max level of contracts to guys

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who aren't like the top tier lead.

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Speaker 1: I would agree with you. The reason I think I

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viewed Trey Young's extension as more of an inflection point

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than the Aaron Fox's is because the Spurs have another

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cornerstone there who's clearly more important and in Atlanta. I mean,

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if you think that it could be Jallen Johnson, or

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if you think that at Zachary Risi che, I would

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say that's arguable. At best, I think Trey Young is

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clearly the guide post for what this team is going

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Speaker 2: So we're extending on a curve.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm not saying we're extending on a curve, but

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he has wouldn't you argue Trey Young is more important

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to Atlanta than Daron Fox's to San Antonio.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and like you said, because of WEM people.

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But like again, if you give Trey Young the max,

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could we be looking at another cycle of inge situation

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where we're like, oh, look, he's turning too much. But

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like he was clearly the best player on the team.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's a no brainer max. I was

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just making the point that I think what he gets

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in his extension is going to be more tell tale

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than what Daron Fox does, because, in theory, Trey Young

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should have more leverage because he is more important to

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Speaker 2: Okay that way, Yeah, I can see that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I but I agree with your other point

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is that the benchmark for these max deals, especially after

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the twenty five percent max, is I do think it's

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going to go higher. I tend to be a little

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bit higher entree as a player than most others, but

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a per year basis, I would be shocked. If it's

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because he signed a full four year deal, I would

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automatically think it's like two years plus a team option

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or something. And I'm just curious, you know, I thought

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can on and not sign an extension and then go

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into free agency, or he has that player option he

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could extend off that if he wants. There are more

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teams with cap space, but he's in next summer. But

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he's in a weird situation where it's let's use micheal

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Bridges as an example. If mckal bridges hit the open

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market next year, I think he would have more suitors

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than Trey Young just because he fits more places. It's

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sort of the James Harden problem where he's he's very good,

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but you have to tailor so much around him that

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fewer teams were going to be in on him. And

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like mchal Bridges is maybe someone he's so plug and play,

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would a team like the Jazz that's for instance, that's

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just earlier on in the rebuild take a look at him.

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I honestly don't know how it's gonna but I think

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I think that he's going to end up becoming this

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financial touchstone for how a lot of these extensions and

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free agency deals go moving forward, and I'm just I

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what you think is going to want? Like, do you

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think he won signs one? What would you guess about

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Speaker 2: I'm guessing he's going to get the full ride. And

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a flat rate of an even thirty million. I think

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team frankly deal. They obviously have some rookie contracts in

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form of Sagari versus Chet. And by the way, I

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have to say it right, I have I don't want

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to become the americanized in the names of the French players.

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Speaker 1: And then you have Kate, you're talking to a Patriot.

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with with persincas he's an unrestricted free agent, it seems like,

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you know, quote unquote, they can afford to go that route.

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It seems like they're bracing themselves for that, you know,

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impact of him signing the max deal or at least

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very near max deal. I don't think We're gonna look

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at the next tray young contract and go, oh, eighteen

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percent of the cap, Like, no, wait, that's that's that's

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not gonna be a realistic expectation. Now, Would I prefer

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Trey at the fun max level? You know, the twenty five? Yeah,

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that'd be fun. That'd be good, that'd be great. Are

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we sure that he'd accept that, because I'm not.

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Speaker 1: If I was him, I would be pushing for So

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it's four years and two hundred and twenty two point four,

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and it could be a little bit higher than that,

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but i'd be put. I'd absolutely be pushing for the

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full thing. I I don't think he's gonna get it.

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If I was the Hawks, I might actually give it

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to him. But I think you're like the first person

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I've seen predicted he's gonna get the full ride. That's

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what makes it so fascinating.

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Speaker 2: Look again, that's just trying to read the tea leaves

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and look reading the sea leaves. You can be wrong,

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Like did se leaves can fuck you up? Dan?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I almost looked at it reverse where it's like, Okay,

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they might be set up to accommodate a higher salary now,

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but I looked at it as saying, would they front

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load it to where maybe he's making more than his

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player option or his player option and then you're declining.

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what is it? So we had four and two twenty two.

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it starts at his max and then it goes down

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from there or something that's yeah, that's that would be.

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That'd be because now you're talking about, Okay, Reiche will

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eventually get more expensive, as you mentioned, if you want

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to keep Porzingis, you do have to worry about, Okay,

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next year, maybe it's easier to fit in the structure,

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but if it's if it's more than one year and

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Yekakungu is not going to be super cheap forever, you

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have to start thinking about, well, I mean, Asa Newell

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just came in the league, so it's they are set

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Speaker 2: But I realized has three years left on the steels, right, Oh.

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Speaker 1: He's only one year into his extension.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, it's got three more years.

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all of a sudden this time next, like we're gonna

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be at Zachary recesses extension eligibility in two years from now.

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I'm just curious if they're gonna be worried about if

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you give him the full max. You're talking about Trey

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Young on an upswinging number, then the things start to

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get difficult. So I think he will sign if he

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signs for more than like two years, like I think

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it'll be a frontloaded deal for less than the max.

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Speaker 2: I think that I like that one better than my

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prediction because I think that is just the smart play,

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especially with the cap projection coming in at seven percent

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instead of the ten percent, if you confront load the

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everlasting crap out of that one, so it just lowers

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your cap hit moving forward. Yeah, that's smart. I like

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that solution.

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Speaker 1: And the final thing I'll just say is where he

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does lose leverage is why while there are more teams

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with cap space next summer, like I don't think like

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the Lakers or the Clippers probably aren't going to be

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a Trey Young team. I wouldn't think Detroit if they

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opt for cap space, because for some reason, they're not

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going to keep Jay and Ivy or Jaylen Deurn or

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maybe both or both are super cheap. That's not a

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Tree Young team. Utah would really want to have to

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fast track something and be out on Isaiah Collier, and

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so that's where he might lose leverage. I guess I

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don't know if the Clippers were getting rid of Harden

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because the Lakers have Luca, they're not going after Trey Young.

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but I just don't. I don't have the clear cut

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Trey Young team.

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Speaker 2: I don't either, And we're twelve minutes in.

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Speaker 1: That's what we had. A four minute intro. That's pretty

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good for us. And some of these are gonna be

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quicker because like this one. Moret the Boston Celtics. Let's

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talk about the big man rotation. I know they're not

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trying to be sorry.

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Speaker 2: Which rotation? What?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Exactly? Their best big man is George Nian that's inarguable.

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I want to ask you a question. Who is Boston's

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second best big man?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: God, yah, Luca Garza, name its Cada, Zavier Tillman. Does

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Hugh go Gonzales count as a big Hilman?

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Speaker 2: I like Tilman. I like Tilman a lot I actually do.

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I think he's been underutilized for a while. But like,

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I'm also beginning to reach that point where like the

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stock that I had in him is starting to be

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in a little bit because it can't it can't just

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be me sitting on that island and everyone else is

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like out on him. So like I think I think

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I mean the wrong there, but I would go to

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Tilman just personally. But god, that's a depressing question. That's

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a really depressing question.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, there's because they're still looking to

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cut money, Like there's no character that georgeid just stays

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on this team because he is an expiring contract. I

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would think it's kada. But I think the point stands that, Okay,

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what what are we doing here? I know they're not

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trying to get tend for a title? But are they're

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not gonna sew? Are we expecting them to just so

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egregiously Tank that they're okay with this? You are? So?

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I mean, have you so?

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Speaker 2: How much do you know about the twenty twenty six draft?

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Very little?

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Speaker 1: You know, I only do a crash course.

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Speaker 2: Right, all right? But do you know there are three

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guys at the top who are like potential franchise players.

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Speaker 1: Right, I think is this talking about maybe Ben Simmons

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signing with the Celtics, So.

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Speaker 2: I mean smart, that'd be a tank commander. I'm not seriously,

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I know that everyone is like, oh, the Celtics won't tank.

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I get that. I'm not ruling out that scenario whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: So what do you do with Derek White and Jalen

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Brown in that I know you don't? Are you shutting

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them down? Putting them on a maintenance program?

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Speaker 2: I mean, look again, you're basically telling Jalleen Brown so like, oh, okay,

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you want to channel your inner superstar because you've been

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talking about like how you are a top NBA player

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for you for years. Now go prove it. And look,

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he's not so I wouldn't be worried he's gonna shoot

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you out of a lot of games.

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Speaker 1: That's full. First of all, I think that's a really

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I think you might be a little low on Jalen Brown.

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Speaker 2: With my bigger player, I am low on Jalen Brown. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But my thing is is if Boston wants to go

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to the tanking route, the actual to do would be no,

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Jalen Brown, don't play because he's played a lot of

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basketball the past few years, and he's dealt with some

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of this injury weird lower body, like he has an

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achilles issue this year. So if that's I just didn't

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expect him.

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Speaker 2: To shut down, you can cut it down. It's fine.

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I don't think he moves the needle all that much.

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And I think with with Derek White, I love Derek White,

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but I don't think he is what's the what's the

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wording here? A featured player, Like I don't think he's

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a guy you can give the ball and just basically say, hey,

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your usage rate has to go up, but like fifteen

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percentage points and he'll maintain his level of efficiency. I

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don't think that is the case. I think we were

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all so enamored by the Celtics won the title, and

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rightfully so, because like that that was the perfect total

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pole hierarchy. That hierarchy is completely broken now. So I'm

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basically just sitting back with my popcorn going, oh, yeah,

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you guys want Darren Peterson next year? Uh huh, that's great,

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Let's go for him, because I would not be shocked

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whatsoever this team is thinking about trying to get one

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of those guys in there.

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Speaker 1: I think I'd be fairly surprised if it was a

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mid season decision. Sure, but then you've you've lost valuable

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tanking ground. I just to lead us back to the

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actual topic here, though, So I guess you don't expect

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them to do anything, like the big Man rotation is.

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Speaker 2: I don't want them to do anything because I actually

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think tanking would be the right course of action here. Like,

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if you're look, if you're.

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Speaker 1: Gonna tank, you should trade Derek White, then, just because.

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Speaker 2: I don't care, that's fine. Trade Derek White if you can,

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I'm down with that, that's fine. I would. I think

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if you're looking at this situation, you know that there's

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no chance in hell to make a run in the

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playoffs in twenty twenty six. Like you can see her

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and say, oh, a gap year, we're taking a year off. No,

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take a year off with purpose, and the purpose is

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going to get try to get a guy who can

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be a future franchise player for your team. Absolutely, And look,

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it isn't like the Celtics haven't done it before, not

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in this particular vein, but back in the eighties and

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nineties they made sure to always have replenished Cuppers. Like, again,

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what was it they had they drafted lent Bias. Second,

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I think was that byer a trade they actually got

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that pick, but like that was during Larry Bird years.

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So this isn't a team that's afraid of having high

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draft picks while they're also having like established players. Hell,

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just going back to the Kyrie situation. When he was there,

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they were trying to develop Jalen and Jason while also

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trying to be competitive with Kyrie and whatnot. This is

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the team that's shown that they can have one leg

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into each camp.

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Speaker 1: This is different though, because it's easier to like they

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they reversed it. It's easier to already be young and

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developing and say identify a star veteran versus doing it

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in like the inverse order. I also think I think

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you're underestimating how hard it is for them to tank.

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Like the big man rotation is bad, but look at

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the bad teams in like Utah is not trying to win.

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The Pelicans think they're trying to win, but they're not

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going to. Just to even be in the bottom six

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of the league is just they're.

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Speaker 2: Not that Almost an asset nowadays with how the lottery

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shakes out Dan.

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Speaker 1: But then I guess you could look at who's won

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the lottery of the past few years. But then that's

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not tanking though, that's them going through a gap year.

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What you just disparaged.

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Speaker 2: So you're still trying to tank to your best, to

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the best of your availability or to the capability. Sorry,

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if they do.

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Speaker 1: That, it better be in service of resting Jayalen Brown

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rather than because I don't think he's like a There's

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no way Jalen Brown's a tank command.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's Look, that's an awful whatever. Whatever they need

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to do, I think it's the right place because otherwise,

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what the hell are you trying to do? Just win

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forty games and sneak yourself into like the play in

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Big Whoop? What do you gain from that?

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Speaker 1: Noah Odds says in the East of Celtics could stand

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pat and still avoid the play in that's probably fair.

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Like Cleveland, the Knicks, the Pistons, the Magic, the Heat,

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the Hawks should all be and then you have the

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If the Sixers are healthy, the Raptors have a lot

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of talent. What are the Pacers gonna do without Halburn?

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And it seems like they're trying to win, Like, I

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think the Hornets are still probably gonna be pretty bad

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because their center situation will get to them in a second.

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Then you have Washington, Brooklyn's going to try to be bad.

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The Bulls are just I mean, they'll win what thirty

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four games and called thirty four between thirty four and

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thirty nine games, and that'll be it. I just don't man,

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generational hater, Derek White is an elite role player, not

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a scalable star that can handle being the top scouting report.

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I mean that's probably true, but he's also shot like

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forty percent from three in his time with Boston while

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Jaylen Brown and or Jason Tatum's off the floor. So

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I just wouldn't discount him still being good.

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Speaker 2: No, No, he's good. I'm not sitting here and saying

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he's a crappy NBA player when they're not there. I'm

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saying you probably can't rely on him over the course

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of a you know, an eighty two game schedule by

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by increasing his workloads significantly.

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Speaker 1: So so I guess what I was saying about the

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big man rotations that they then need to tie this

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together somehow, because I think that their front line sends

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like a message that their perimeter core isn't sending the

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same message. As that makes sense. They're they're just the

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big man. Rotation could scream we're trying to tank next year,

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but there's just between Simon's and Brown and Derek White

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and Peyton Pritchard and Sam Hauser, there's so much talent

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on the perimeter that if you're gonna keep that and

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you're not looking to cut more salary this summer, I

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think they just need to go out and get a

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more competent big I'm not saying go go trade for

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Walker Kessler, but like, go out there and like, can

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you sign Chris Bouchet. You knew I was gonna bring

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his name. Go get Jonathan Mobo from the fucking Raptors.

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They have nine trillion bigs right now. You want to

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develop somebody. So I would like to see them do

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something like that was my point. But if you had

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to guess, do you think that they're not like they're

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they're not gonna do something like that, that's how you're rising.

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Speaker 2: I could guess. On I could sit here and guess

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and say they want to have a a center or

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a big man just to a piece the fan base,

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because again it's also a big cell to a fan

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base where you won the championship, you know what, thirteen

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fourteen months ago and then just say, oh, hey, we're

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trying to be deep in the lottery next year. That's

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that's a that's a big sell. What I want them

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to do is just don't focus on winning a single

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game this year, like it has to be all about

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like trades, the player development. Although looking at that roster,

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who the hell is there really to develop?

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Speaker 1: I mean, Yoganzales is there. They could give him Baylor Shireman.

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Speaker 2: And Jordan Walls.

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm over the Jordan.

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Speaker 2: Right Yeah. But honestly, I just I just think if

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you have to have the gap here, I think you

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had to do it with a purpose. That's it.

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Speaker 1: I would agree with you. I just think that the

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roster sending mixed messages right now, So I think you

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either better turn around.

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Speaker 2: A dating app. This is the NBA man.

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Speaker 1: Like, So it's either there needs to be a big

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00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,680
man transactions here or like you need to start like stripping.

471
00:22:00,799 --> 00:22:03,640
There needs like Simons needs to be traded, or Pritchard

472
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,880
or Howser or just somebody to make you even breaker

473
00:22:06,079 --> 00:22:09,279
on the primer. I mean, you just chat on him

474
00:22:09,319 --> 00:22:11,599
for about another eight minutes. So what is the like,

475
00:22:11,599 --> 00:22:14,200
who's gonna give up value for Jalen Brown?

476
00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:16,640
Speaker 2: Saying that the rest of the NBA has as low

477
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,200
an opinion of Jalen Brown aside.

478
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,519
Speaker 1: Do I think the Spurs the Raptors would be good

479
00:22:21,519 --> 00:22:23,880
teams for him? Who elould be a.

480
00:22:23,839 --> 00:22:27,039
Speaker 2: Good jail the Raptors would be fun? Yeah? Yeah, just

481
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,279
add another wing. Don't even send a wink back to Boston.

482
00:22:29,319 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 1: Just don't trade barrener Ingram as part of that trade.

483
00:22:32,279 --> 00:22:34,319
That would be if you were looking for a real,

484
00:22:35,079 --> 00:22:37,640
like sort of Galaxy Branding, you trade Jalen Brown for

485
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,400
Ingram and stuff like picks, I don't know what else.

486
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,240
That deal looks like young players. And then you're saying, Okay,

487
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,079
brandon Ingram we think can be at least what so

488
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,160
he makes let's say seventy eighty percent of what Jalen

489
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,799
Brown does. They'll probably bet that he can be seventy

490
00:22:51,839 --> 00:22:54,279
to eighty percent of Jaalen Brown. But you've ensured that

491
00:22:54,279 --> 00:22:57,240
you'll probably be worse this year because you can say, oh,

492
00:22:57,279 --> 00:22:59,039
Branding was coming back from his injury. We want to

493
00:22:59,039 --> 00:23:02,519
slow play this. That would be that would be interesting.

494
00:23:03,839 --> 00:23:05,640
What other team could I see giving up that? Like

495
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,799
what Atlanta think about it?

496
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 2: I mean they've been mentioned White a lot whenever Jaylen

497
00:23:13,519 --> 00:23:17,680
Brown trade scenarios has popped up, So I don't hate that.

498
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,079
The question is what do you give up?

499
00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:23,519
Speaker 1: Uh? Would you trade Resache for John Brown? It'd have

500
00:23:23,519 --> 00:23:25,039
to be Johnson and Resa Che as one of the

501
00:23:25,079 --> 00:23:26,000
pieces going out.

502
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,839
Speaker 2: Look, if I'm putting all my chips into the like

503
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,599
the Trey Young basket, I will have to accelerate it

504
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,000
a little bit because Rische is not gonna be you know,

505
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:41,839
in his prime until Trey is like closing in on

506
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,279
thirty pretty aggressively. So and we know what happens to

507
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,240
small guards when they hit that that age grouping. So

508
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what I'd probably be willing to accelerate the timeline.

509
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,799
Speaker 1: I guess they don't have another I was gonna say, Minnesota,

510
00:23:54,839 --> 00:23:57,200
if you built something around go Bear and dilling him,

511
00:23:57,319 --> 00:23:59,839
or maybe it would be Jade McDaniels and Dillingham and that,

512
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,599
but they don't have picks to give. That's tough. I'd

513
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,880
be curious if John Brown I don't think he gets traded,

514
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,200
but if he is. I'd be curious to know who

515
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,279
what the winning bid looks like on that. So I

516
00:24:09,319 --> 00:24:10,960
think the Boston Celtics need to add a big man.

517
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,519
It's more of the story and I'll be monitoring that.

518
00:24:12,599 --> 00:24:14,440
And if they don't, I would expect another trade to

519
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,440
come that makes the worse the nets. So there's the

520
00:24:17,599 --> 00:24:19,559
I think we can just blow through the cam Thomas thing.

521
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,640
What do you think happens with this mort What's like,

522
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:23,519
what's going on here?

523
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 2: I think he gets re signed to a short deal

524
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:32,400
and with the mindset or agreement that hey, look you're

525
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,880
gonna get this deal. It's gonna be short. We're gonna

526
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,359
try to trade you to a destination where you might

527
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,720
be able to earn more money in a couple of years, depending.

528
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,279
Speaker 1: On their order of I think, yeah, if he gets

529
00:24:43,319 --> 00:24:45,880
more than two guaranteed years, like maybe they finally tack

530
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,680
on a third year with a team option, I'll be floored.

531
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,480
I think that's just what he's gonna end up doing. Yeah,

532
00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:52,039
do you think there's any chance he's the one of these,

533
00:24:52,079 --> 00:24:54,200
you know, core four restricted free agents that signs his

534
00:24:54,279 --> 00:24:55,119
qualifying offer.

535
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 2: I would probably look at Kamenka as the most likely

536
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,160
to do so, but I'm not ruling out this scenario

537
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,839
because he seems to be the most frustrated of the bunch.

538
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: Really, I feel like Kaminga seems to be the most

539
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,359
frustrated its years in the making.

540
00:25:09,839 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 2: Well, Kamena is like he's passive, aggressive, Cam seems outright

541
00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:17,279
upsets sometimes like oh, look at he has to like

542
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,039
the few feud like him trying to pick a fight

543
00:25:20,079 --> 00:25:22,119
with sack Lowe, Like oh, I'm that guy, I'm that guy.

544
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,400
Like he's he seems to be very frustrated about since

545
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,079
this situation. And I'm not blaming him. I mean it's

546
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,240
fair to like not know what the hell is up,

547
00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:32,960
Like it's it's August now and you don't really know

548
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,160
what is going on with your NBA team, Like, yeah,

549
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,119
that makes sense. I'd be frustrated too.

550
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:41,759
Speaker 1: I think he'll end up getting no more than two

551
00:25:41,839 --> 00:25:44,759
guaranteed years. So and also just with the number of

552
00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:48,240
like quote unquote could be ball handlers the Nets just drafted.

553
00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:50,880
H they're clearly not thinking about Cam Thomas as the

554
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,119
long term part of the program. The other interesting thing

555
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,480
about them, though, is do you expect them Depending on

556
00:25:55,519 --> 00:25:57,720
the order of operations, it could be twenty two to

557
00:25:57,839 --> 00:25:59,599
twenty eight million cap space. It could be a lot

558
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,039
more than that if they just let Cam Thomas go.

559
00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:04,319
Do you think that they'll use any more of that

560
00:26:04,759 --> 00:26:07,480
before the off season is over, not necessarily to sign somebody,

561
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:08,880
but it's part of a trade. Or do you think

562
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,119
they're saving it for more of a mid season acquisition,

563
00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:14,400
if just to maybe even try and roll it over

564
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:15,160
into next summer.

565
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 2: Even so, let's see how close are they to the floor?

566
00:26:21,319 --> 00:26:23,680
What are we looking at? Here? Are they at the floor?

567
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:25,839
Speaker 1: I thought they were there already after that, I thought

568
00:26:25,839 --> 00:26:27,119
that's what I thought. That was also part of their

569
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,920
calculus with a Porter junior trade. Maybe I'm wrong there,

570
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:30,960
I'll double check it, but.

571
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,079
Speaker 2: Okay, if they are, so, if they are at the floor, no,

572
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,279
I don't expect them to do anything major, Like yeah,

573
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,440
look if something it's realizes where they can get a

574
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,799
guy where they can absorb his deal, you know, maybe

575
00:26:43,799 --> 00:26:46,359
a bad contract, and they can take a pick for

576
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,039
doing that. Yeah, I think they'd be open to that,

577
00:26:49,599 --> 00:26:51,200
like immediately.

578
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: They so they have their nine million below the salary floor,

579
00:26:54,839 --> 00:26:57,400
and that's with I was actually caking in a higher

580
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,039
salary for camp Thomas expecting them to get there, but

581
00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:02,039
I think they'll need to use like another six million.

582
00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:03,839
If it's two for twenty eight or two for thirty,

583
00:27:03,839 --> 00:27:05,480
they would probably still have to spend like five or

584
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:06,279
six million bucks.

585
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 2: So okay, Well, I mean there are enough talent left

586
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,920
in the free agency markets to get that done. So yeah,

587
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,160
I'm not worried about that. They'll find a way, But

588
00:27:16,759 --> 00:27:20,960
they're definitely open to doing the scenario its just proposed before.

589
00:27:21,079 --> 00:27:23,799
Absolutely if they can rent out that cap space, especially

590
00:27:23,839 --> 00:27:27,559
if it's only for a year, like yeah, yeah, absolutely,

591
00:27:28,319 --> 00:27:32,119
But the question is who out there are that desperate

592
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,079
to get off a deal to the point where they

593
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,680
willing to relinquish a god a draft pick. I don't

594
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,440
know who that is right.

595
00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:41,079
Speaker 1: Now, or doesn't seem like there would be a lot

596
00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:44,720
of teams. But mid season, if you're not as good

597
00:27:44,759 --> 00:27:46,079
as you expect and you're trying to get out of

598
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,400
the tax, or you're a team that's trying to complete

599
00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:51,960
a trade and like you have to navigate the aprons

600
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,559
and you need someone to take on money, I would

601
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,319
argue because the business, most of the bulk of the

602
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,000
off season business seems like it's already done. The cap

603
00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:01,480
space if they least it out mid season would net

604
00:28:01,519 --> 00:28:03,519
them more than if they were going around to teams

605
00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:04,000
right now.

606
00:28:04,039 --> 00:28:06,599
Speaker 2: And I agree. So basically what we agree on the

607
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,599
path here is they meet the salary floor because you

608
00:28:09,599 --> 00:28:11,359
have to do that before the start of the regular season,

609
00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:16,799
and then they just use whatever remaining cap space they

610
00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:19,599
have to go into the trade deadline and say, oh,

611
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,440
you guys need to facilitated facilitate a trade and you

612
00:28:23,519 --> 00:28:25,880
need money to do so. Here we are.

613
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: So unless our math is wrong because we I should

614
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,359
have checked the salary floor stuff before we did this. Yeah,

615
00:28:31,519 --> 00:28:34,000
let's do this question really quick. Is is cam Thomas

616
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,319
worth a first? If he takes say fifteen million times

617
00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:40,519
two years. I could see a team like giving up

618
00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:44,079
an end of the round first for him, But I

619
00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:45,680
don't know the team, Like I don't look at I'm

620
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,279
looking trying to think of contenders and like they just

621
00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:50,440
don't have a first to give, but like he might

622
00:28:50,519 --> 00:28:53,920
make some kind of sense on look, it's another score.

623
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,079
Speaker 2: Two years, fifteen million, So what are we.

624
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,599
Speaker 1: No, No, it's two for thirty. I'm assuming is with

625
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:00,240
this if.

626
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,559
Speaker 2: He's sorry, yeah, no, no, I mean one. Yeah, I meant

627
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,119
fifteen million a year over two years. Right, Okay, so right,

628
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,480
so let's work shop this. So what when would that

629
00:29:08,519 --> 00:29:10,599
trade happen? At the trade that line?

630
00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:13,039
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean it would have because his eligibility

631
00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:14,839
would be exact January or whatever.

632
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,279
Speaker 2: So basically, what you're you're paying a first rounder to

633
00:29:17,359 --> 00:29:19,880
have him for a year and a half. You're paying

634
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:24,799
a first rounder to have him for potentially two playoff years.

635
00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:29,519
I don't hate that. Like, I think cam Thomas has

636
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,680
has become a little underrated. I think we're so quick

637
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,279
always with the undersized scores to like put them into

638
00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:40,480
this bracket of oh, you're not affecting a game, you're

639
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,960
just there, and like, yeah, I get that he's not

640
00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:45,920
a perfect player. I absolutely get that. But for a

641
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,359
guy who can come in and average twenty four, who

642
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,279
can get to the free throw line, who can hit

643
00:29:50,359 --> 00:29:53,079
threes off the bounce, who can like make stuff happen

644
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:58,319
scoring wise, I think we have in a broad sense

645
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,559
overcorrected and all always go, oh, well, I want that

646
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,480
six to eight wing who can play defense, that great bunch.

647
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,359
You know, I don't care that he only scores four

648
00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:08,960
points per game, and I think that's that's ridiculous. You

649
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,279
also need guys who can come in and just get

650
00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:14,799
you points because that is so crucial to win games.

651
00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:17,759
So I think I would give up at first if

652
00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:21,559
I'm a team that feels like a cam Thomas injection

653
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,400
can significantly improve my offense, especially heading into the playoffs.

654
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,519
So I have a guy who I can either start,

655
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:31,319
who I can bring off the bench where I can say, look,

656
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,839
I need you to just score. I don't need you

657
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,799
to facilitate. I don't need you to rebound. I just

658
00:30:38,039 --> 00:30:40,680
need you to go get buggets. Yeah, I think that's the

659
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,759
first round worth And again they're degrees to it, of course.

660
00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:46,559
Speaker 1: And look there's part of the calculus too. Could be

661
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,079
you're able to send the Nets more money as well

662
00:30:49,079 --> 00:30:51,079
while taking back can Thomas, So that could be part

663
00:30:51,119 --> 00:30:54,279
of the value you're getting that too. The other thing, though,

664
00:30:54,359 --> 00:30:56,880
is do you think the Nets have Like what would

665
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,279
be the harm in what I was saying about the

666
00:30:58,279 --> 00:30:59,960
salary floor before is if you need let's say you

667
00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:03,599
needed another like, like, what's the harm in giving him

668
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,599
a two year, forty million dollar deal with the team

669
00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:08,559
option if that gets it done to get past the

670
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,599
salary floor? Like wouldn't they maybe consider something like shouldn't

671
00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:14,559
they consider something like that rather than like if they

672
00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:16,319
don't even if they don't have even that puts you

673
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,640
past the salary floor. I kind of who cares. That

674
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,880
might make doing some business in the middle of the

675
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,240
season easier.

676
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,039
Speaker 2: I don't mind. Like you can go with either option. Really,

677
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,200
like if you if you find out that those you

678
00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:33,680
guys are not meant to be or whatever, Okay, you

679
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,279
can take the money and you can use it in

680
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:37,759
at the trade at nine and see if you can

681
00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:41,359
facilitate something and get assets in return, or you can

682
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:44,000
spend it on cam Thomas. Those are really your two options.

683
00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:46,680
I don't think there's a wrong answer there.

684
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: And the final note here is it does seem like,

685
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,759
just based off what they're offering cam Thomas that they

686
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:54,920
also do want to have and then their draft pick

687
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,039
situation it's headed to Houston in twenty seven, it does

688
00:31:58,079 --> 00:32:01,000
seem like they still want to have maybe not one

689
00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:02,799
hundred million dollars in cap space or whatever, but it

690
00:32:02,839 --> 00:32:04,559
seems like they want to have like thirty or forty

691
00:32:04,599 --> 00:32:06,359
million dollars in cap space still in the tank for

692
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:06,960
next summer.

693
00:32:08,039 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: Sure, who wouldn't, Well.

694
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: I'm do you like? Is that something that they should

695
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,039
prioritize is my point, given where they're at in their

696
00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:16,920
competitive life cycle, is what I was asking.

697
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: Hey, Well, I mean, look, trying to get cap space nowadays,

698
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,640
some will view it as a fool's errant because who

699
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,319
is out there, But that's not how you should gauge

700
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,640
and view free agency. If you have money during the summer,

701
00:32:32,759 --> 00:32:35,839
it also makes you a trade candidate. It gives you

702
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,480
so many options in terms of taking on bad money,

703
00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:43,480
help facility trades like it. Just the flexibility of having

704
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:49,160
money is not to be undersold. But eventually we're also

705
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,559
going to have to be realistic because if we keep

706
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,839
seeing seeing guys sign extensions and they're just like nobody

707
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,920
on the market year after year after year, then seems

708
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,359
are also pretty aware that, oh there's a team that's

709
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,960
going in to enter the season trying to facilitate instead

710
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,480
of signing someone, we're not going to give up anyone

711
00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:11,480
to just give them more draft picks. So look, there

712
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:13,200
are a lot of ways to skin a cat. We'll

713
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:14,240
see what they try to do.

714
00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: I actually just don't think it should be as big

715
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,200
of a priority for them. I'm fine with them doing it,

716
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,960
but it's just not something I was playing hairs over.

717
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,319
Speaker 2: You can do them anyway. You can do many different things.

718
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: We move on to another big man rotation that to

719
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:28,759
me is questionable, the Charlotte Hornets the center rotation. Is

720
00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:32,559
this the planet center? Is it just we have musa diabate? Well,

721
00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:34,440
I'm actually, like, to be fair, I'm kind of intrigued

722
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,799
by like he's shown flashes while he's been in Charlotte's.

723
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,880
But then it's Mason Plumbly, like what are like, what

724
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,960
are we doing? Or do you want to play Tjon

725
00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:45,400
Salon at the five sometime next year? I just if

726
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,839
they're a team that's not trying to tank, if you

727
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,079
have a healthy LaMelo ball and you just also like

728
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,960
have all these other guards. You acquired Colin Sexton, you

729
00:33:54,039 --> 00:33:57,279
draft Leam McNeely, Khnknipple. I mean those guys have size,

730
00:33:57,319 --> 00:34:01,640
but they're like two threes at best, Like, don't they're

731
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,359
a team. Just when you look at maybe what Boston

732
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:05,960
is trying to do to going through a gap year

733
00:34:06,079 --> 00:34:08,960
versus what Charlotte's trying to do after moving Mark Williams,

734
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:10,880
it feels like they could use a flyer at the

735
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:11,559
center position.

736
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:14,639
Speaker 2: Too. They have Ryan Kelpprenner, and you didn't even mention it.

737
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:15,559
That's just I did.

738
00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:17,639
Speaker 1: Mention him in the article I wrote about their center positions.

739
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 2: Great, that doesn't help us right now, though.

740
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,599
Speaker 1: Yes it does because I just mentioned it.

741
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:26,599
Speaker 2: So you're all, I'm not really worried about their center position.

742
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:29,119
I'm more worried about their health. I'm more worried about

743
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:31,760
getting Miles Breeches off the dann roster. I'm more worried

744
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,079
about a plethora of other things. The center position is

745
00:34:34,119 --> 00:34:37,599
like what point seven or something like on my to

746
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:42,599
do list there this team, if we want to center

747
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:47,079
on centers, you can go in a different directions there

748
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:50,360
and just test things out. Like what are your internal expectations?

749
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,039
I think it's going to be my question here, because yeah,

750
00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:55,599
you're going to need someone at the five who can

751
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:58,679
really play consistent minutes and give you consistent production if

752
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,039
you're trying to make the playoffs? Is that your aspiration?

753
00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:04,519
What are you trying to achieve this year? That's what

754
00:35:04,599 --> 00:35:05,079
I want to know.

755
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, the internal evaluation of themselves, that is that is

756
00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:12,760
a fair question. I just there's also something to the

757
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,800
effect of you I would think would want more of

758
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,599
a consistent or bankable center to do work that's going

759
00:35:19,679 --> 00:35:22,400
to open up things, whether it's screening for LaMelo or

760
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,280
some of the other guards. And like right now I

761
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,599
point to Diabat, they just like their best option, like

762
00:35:26,639 --> 00:35:29,480
Mason Plumley isn't gonna do. You can still set screens,

763
00:35:29,519 --> 00:35:32,199
but like teams aren't worried about Mason Plumley. And so

764
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,400
I think that's where there's value because it's interesting you

765
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,360
can over index on not having enough I don't want

766
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,440
to say just veterans, but like dependable talent because I'm

767
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,280
really a big believer in impact players, even if you

768
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,000
don't view them as long term pieces, or even if

769
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,800
they're not young, they can streamline the development for everybody else.

770
00:35:50,119 --> 00:35:52,559
And you know, looking at a Ca Nipple and McNeely,

771
00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:55,920
guys like kJ Simpson if they have any equity investment,

772
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,559
like depending on what they think about him, or if

773
00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:00,239
you're trying to boost up Colin Sexton's trade value, you

774
00:36:00,559 --> 00:36:03,519
I think getting a better big even if you, as

775
00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:06,119
Chandler re sv says in the chat, feels like a

776
00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:08,360
soft tank show promise with some talented young guards and

777
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,480
wings but still not win too many games. I totally

778
00:36:10,559 --> 00:36:12,800
think that's fine. I think they need at least one

779
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,159
higher end center. And I'm not saying a star go

780
00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:17,079
trade a first round pick for a center or anything,

781
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,760
but I think to help in service of that agenda,

782
00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:23,679
you need to get a better, like top center option

783
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:24,119
in here.

784
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 2: But at least we know they won't struggle at the

785
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,840
center position when they play the Celtics.

786
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, who is there? These are pretty clearly the two

787
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,559
worst center positions in the league, like rotation in the

788
00:36:36,639 --> 00:36:37,159
league right now?

789
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so right, I'm struggling to come up

790
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:40,880
with someone else.

791
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, like Indiana's is questionable, Like

792
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,840
I like Jay Huff, but then it's James Wiseman and

793
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,920
then it's Isaiah Jack. Yeah.

794
00:36:50,679 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty bad too. And it's all in the East, Okay, right.

795
00:36:55,639 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: I mean does that does that surprise you?

796
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 2: No? Not really, Well, I'm.

797
00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:03,079
Speaker 1: Just asking, well, no, they have eaves me. I was

798
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:05,519
about to name the Pelicans to where it's like defensively

799
00:37:05,559 --> 00:37:07,360
if you if you want Derek Queen to be a center,

800
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:08,880
even what is kevon Ludie have left? But they have

801
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,519
used me c so just has.

802
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 2: To throw them in there. For Pelicans fans, you just

803
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,199
have to swisch.

804
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,199
Speaker 1: I mean, like if the Hornets or the Celtics should

805
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,280
just turn around and trade for Duop Breath. Already the

806
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,400
Blazers keep burying him up, like they get rid of me,

807
00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:23,760
but they add Jan Hansen, So go get Duop Wreath.

808
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 2: But for Jalns Smith from Chicago too. There are guys

809
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,320
on the benches around the league who can do something. Yeah.

810
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: Uh, Chandler Resivie says, I also think they really believe

811
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,599
in Musa. I'm a fan, but I don't know. I

812
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:38,119
don't see a starting center, like kind of a fringe

813
00:37:38,119 --> 00:37:40,480
starting center or something. I think that he's he has

814
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,199
shown a lot. Actually just wrote something about him that'll

815
00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:45,920
go live soon, so I won't spoil it. I like him,

816
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,960
I just want someone other than like Mason Plumbley or

817
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,679
a calf Renner or or let's downsize I'd echo with

818
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,840
more and hey, let's get rid of Miles Bridges. I mean,

819
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,840
you could take on maybe a more expensive center than

820
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,920
teams want if they're interested in Myles Bridges, so that

821
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,000
would be a route they could go. My final question here,

822
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,719
based off the Hornets' roster, what type of big would

823
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,920
you rather see added? Is it more of a like

824
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,199
a screen and rim runner lob threat or do you

825
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:11,920
think that they could benefit from having more of a

826
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,960
stretch five next to their ball handlers right now?

827
00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 2: Give them all the space that they need. Like if

828
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,679
the Bulls and Nicola Vusovich are finally on the op.

829
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:25,519
Speaker 1: Ooh that's a good one. Yeah, I don't know how

830
00:38:25,519 --> 00:38:28,000
do they get The Bulls probably want Miles Bridges because

831
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,039
they're the Bulls, right, So like that's I trade Miles

832
00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:32,760
Bridges for Nicola. He's like one of the least impactful

833
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,800
scores I think in NBA history. Just full stop. So yep,

834
00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:40,239
we move on speaking of the Bulls more, we move

835
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,119
on to them. This one's easy. What will Josh gid

836
00:38:44,199 --> 00:38:44,559
He get?

837
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's super easy. He wants thirty. They want to

838
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,599
pay him closer to twenty. I think he should get

839
00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:55,280
like fifteen m Yeah. I mean, look, I don't know

840
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,079
what he's gonna get, but if it's between twenty and thirty,

841
00:38:58,199 --> 00:39:01,079
I have questions. And but again it's not a sur

842
00:39:01,159 --> 00:39:06,440
christ look last season, or rather last summer, I said

843
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,360
as much on the NBA podcast. I said, this is

844
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,239
what's going to happen in twenty four to twenty five,

845
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,079
Josh Giddy will have these outrageous numbers, like the raw numbers,

846
00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:19,880
He'll have the triple doubles. Everyone will get so infatuated

847
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,000
with the raw stats that they will say, oh, he's

848
00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:25,639
worth twenty five thirty million lo and behold, this is

849
00:39:25,679 --> 00:39:28,360
what happens. Like the efficiency numbers are bad. He's not

850
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,400
a great finisher. There are so many question marks around him.

851
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,159
If he walks away with a long term deal at

852
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,639
more than twenty five, I think that's very, very optimistic

853
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,000
on behalf of the bulls. But I think might me personally.

854
00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:45,800
What I think would be a smart solution here is

855
00:39:46,199 --> 00:39:50,480
somewhat similar to the Cam Thomas situation, a two year

856
00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:53,519
balloon deal. Perhaps, like okay, you can get him, give

857
00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:56,440
him twenty or whatever, twenty five million a year over

858
00:39:57,559 --> 00:40:00,440
not over two years per year over two years, so

859
00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:05,119
forty five to fifty million, whatever, and then go from

860
00:40:05,159 --> 00:40:06,480
there like why not.

861
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: They do have all the leverage. I just man, if

862
00:40:10,519 --> 00:40:13,400
he goes only two, if he only gets two guaranteed years,

863
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,400
I probably set the minimum at three for him, and

864
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,039
I would argue that the fourth would be a player

865
00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:20,000
option even if it's not guaranteed, so for him it

866
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,559
would be guaranteed. I guess they do have the leverage. Cool,

867
00:40:23,639 --> 00:40:25,840
because who's coming in, Like the Jazz have the huge

868
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,360
trade exception, and there's the nets with like they're not

869
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,800
Giddy teams. I wouldn't think anyway. I mean, because you

870
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:32,519
talk about me.

871
00:40:32,519 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 2: And it seems like the bulls want the years as well. Right, No,

872
00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:38,400
wait a second, Actually, I'm gonna correct myself there, because

873
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:43,480
I do believe that case that Casey Johnson said about

874
00:40:43,519 --> 00:40:46,360
three or four weeks ago that they were also disagreeing

875
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,599
on the years. I might be misremembering if someone in

876
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:52,920
the chat remembers that, please let me know. That seems

877
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,000
to be ringing a bell. So like if they disagree

878
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,360
about the years as well, like I imagine Josh Giddy

879
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,440
would want a lot of years plus the first million,

880
00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:03,760
right like that seems like they ask.

881
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: Let's set the over because I don't know, I just

882
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,239
don't have anything to add. I'm with you where it's

883
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,519
I don't think he's worth thirty million dollars a year.

884
00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:12,760
I don't know what he's worth. It's probably it's closer

885
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,960
to fifteen than thirty you would think, Ye, I'm gonna

886
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,480
set the over under a twenty two and a half

887
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,679
million dollars average on average for the life of the contract.

888
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:21,960
Are you going to take the over of the under

889
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:22,280
on that?

890
00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 2: On what I think or what he should?

891
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: No, no, not what he should on what you think

892
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,920
ends up having I think over I agree. Now I'm

893
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,480
going to set the over under a guarantee years at

894
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,440
two point five, so it has to be three or

895
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:36,840
more you take.

896
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, thinking the over again, I don't expect competence from

897
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:41,159
the bulls whatsoever.

898
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,159
Speaker 1: Now if I set it at three and a half,

899
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:44,840
so we have to be four, would you still take

900
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,119
the over because I think I would.

901
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I would too. Unfortunately, Yeah, look again,

902
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,119
it's it's a great way to, you know, get a

903
00:41:53,159 --> 00:41:56,320
guy in who gets nice stats and keep butts and

904
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:01,480
seats for whatever reason while they roll ahead to forty

905
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:05,360
eight wins and a playing seed like that's yeah, stay

906
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,599
the chorus, Bulls don't ever change. You're the most predictable

907
00:42:08,639 --> 00:42:11,280
thing ever in the history of sports.

908
00:42:11,639 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 1: So would you like to talk about the Billy Donovan

909
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,800
extension next? Is that what you're saying? We can move on?

910
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:20,000
I think that's I I honestly, would this be a

911
00:42:20,039 --> 00:42:22,480
signal if you saw he got maybe maybe he still

912
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,639
gets four years, but it's like twenty million dollars a year,

913
00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:26,719
even if it's just a two plus one, would you

914
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,559
take that as a signal as, oh, the bulls are

915
00:42:28,599 --> 00:42:31,199
not like completely out of their minds.

916
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 2: I mean, that would definitely improve things. Like I'm not

917
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,480
one to sit here and just crap on the bulls

918
00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:40,119
retentitlessly for when they do good things like that's not

919
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,840
like again, I've complimented them up the Wasu when it

920
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,639
came to the new deals for for Kobe White and Iotosumu.

921
00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:49,239
Then I've criticized them for not getting rid of those

922
00:42:49,559 --> 00:42:52,000
not getting rint that's the wrong wording, but not training

923
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,280
those guys where their value were at the higher highest.

924
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,000
That's like for them to negotiate those deals. I thought

925
00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:01,320
that was very very smart that you Smith contract. I

926
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:06,039
thought was extremely well done. Like so, they have some

927
00:43:06,199 --> 00:43:09,719
strengths in terms of roster construction, but they just they

928
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,559
so rarely lean into it. And that's and if that's

929
00:43:12,599 --> 00:43:17,079
their only strength contract negotiation, but they still are just

930
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,360
so bad at making trades and they're so bad at

931
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,599
making draft picks, and they're so bad at every other

932
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,039
asset and facet of team building. What the hell will

933
00:43:27,519 --> 00:43:31,079
you that it all result in that? Oh, we can

934
00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:34,320
resign our guys at good cost. Great, your guys suck?

935
00:43:35,159 --> 00:43:37,559
Speaker 1: Whoa do you think there might be something too? There?

936
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:42,159
Better at negotiating contracts in the back court than the

937
00:43:42,159 --> 00:43:44,920
front court? Just you look at good chuck at Patrick Williams.

938
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I mean to your point, trade Jones, they

939
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,039
did a pretty good Yeah, they do good work on

940
00:43:52,039 --> 00:43:52,599
that one too.

941
00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, here's this. The Lozzo contract was really good

942
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,320
and then they proceeded to trade him for some lot

943
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,760
of worse cost. He's corus more of a guard though,

944
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,079
but you could count him as a three if you

945
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:02,360
want to. So there might be.

946
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 2: Something like three than the two personally.

947
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,159
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, well then there you go.

948
00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 2: Yeah it's dan. It's all pointless. Let's move on.

949
00:44:11,079 --> 00:44:14,639
Speaker 1: We go to the Cleveland Cavaliers. Will we get any

950
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,039
veteran extensions? More? And the names to circle Dean Wade,

951
00:44:18,119 --> 00:44:22,639
DeAndre Hunter, Darius Garland, and Max Strus are all extension eligible.

952
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,679
Do you think any of them will get an extension?

953
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 2: So here's I have a take about the DeAndre Hunter thing.

954
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:35,880
I loved his season. We saw genuine improvement. Uh this season.

955
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,239
He stopped hesitating. He became you know, when you say

956
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,079
trigger happy, it sounds negative, but not in in not

957
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,480
with him because he was always one of those guys

958
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:48,960
where when he was in Atlanta you were kind of

959
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,079
pissed off when he was like he would look at

960
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:53,519
an open three, he'll think about it, and he wouldn't

961
00:44:53,559 --> 00:44:56,920
do it. We saw a different mindset for him this year.

962
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,920
So like on his surface, I would be like, hey, yeah,

963
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:03,280
definitely extend DeAndre Hunter. But at the same time, we

964
00:45:03,519 --> 00:45:06,800
only have one year of data with him with this

965
00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:10,880
improved play, So there's a part of me that wants

966
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,800
to be a little cautious here and just just be

967
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,920
on the safe side, like, let us see it one

968
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,679
more year before we're like investing twenty five twenty eight

969
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,920
million a year into the sky or whatever the number

970
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,800
might be. I just need to see more of it.

971
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:34,519
I'm not there where I feel one comfortable extending him

972
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,239
off of the play from this year.

973
00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: That's interesting because I think I might be just I

974
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,880
would be a little bit worried when you're looking at

975
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,280
okay now, Michal Bridges is one wing off the twenty

976
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,360
six free agency market. There's not just like to get

977
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,760
a plug and play wing who you said more comfortable

978
00:45:51,519 --> 00:45:54,239
taking his threes and he also, oh, he's not. That's right.

979
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:55,800
He has two years left on his deal, So now

980
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,119
I'm with you. I thought he only had one. So no, no, no,

981
00:45:58,119 --> 00:46:01,079
I think yeah, so that's totally I think that's a

982
00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:03,519
fine stance to take. Then it's the same thing with

983
00:46:03,559 --> 00:46:05,519
Max Struce. He has two years left on his deal.

984
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,719
The Dean Wade one is if you're gonna guarantee his salary.

985
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,920
I don't think they've guaranteed it yet. That's maybe semi

986
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,960
interesting just if he's willing to resign at kind of

987
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,400
the same number to have him as either a future

988
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,599
trade chip or just I mean, like the stuff he

989
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:20,000
could do defensively for them when he's healthy is really important.

990
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,280
Darius Garland's interesting though, because part of me is like, well,

991
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,880
he has three years, like in total left on his

992
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,360
current deal, but there's been some risky business there with

993
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,360
the injuries. Would it make more sense to just sign

994
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,519
him to the two year extension so you're not into

995
00:46:34,599 --> 00:46:36,800
him for as many years or are you just kind

996
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,800
of trying to roll this along and see where you're at.

997
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,440
When he's eligible for a three year extension next summer.

998
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,679
Speaker 2: Will he see a discount?

999
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. I mean my guess would

1000
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,360
be probably not. I mean, we just had this conversation

1001
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,800
about Tree Young. This is another instance where are you

1002
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,119
kind of are the calves hoping, Oh, is he gonna

1003
00:46:57,119 --> 00:46:59,800
get a reality check from seeing what de Aaron, Fox

1004
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,719
and Young get and then next summer like they'll be

1005
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,880
able to broker an extension that they think more reflects

1006
00:47:06,159 --> 00:47:09,159
not maybe not well his market value, but just more Okay,

1007
00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:12,639
where are these non top fifteen players going to be?

1008
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,960
Like Darius Garland for much of last season was borderline

1009
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,280
all NBA. So I think if you were signing over

1010
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:17,760
the year.

1011
00:47:18,679 --> 00:47:22,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have Garland over Tray and Fox.

1012
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: Personally, I'd probably have Trey in front of Garland and

1013
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,559
Garland in front of Fox if we're building out, like

1014
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:32,599
if you're saying the next five years or whatever. But yeah,

1015
00:47:32,639 --> 00:47:34,159
that's a that's a good point taking. So No, I

1016
00:47:34,159 --> 00:47:35,639
don't think you would give them a discount on a

1017
00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:38,960
two year extension right now, unless when like d'aron Fox

1018
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,119
signs the deal and it's oh, like, did the Aaron

1019
00:47:41,159 --> 00:47:42,880
Fox just signed for thirty million dollars a year or

1020
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,760
some shit. I need to lock this in and now

1021
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,199
if the Cavs are gonna give me more, but they've

1022
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,320
what's been interesting about the Calves is okay, Evan mobiley

1023
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:54,320
Donoin Mitchell, like those extensions were no brainers, but like

1024
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,400
Jared Allen, like, they've seem to prioritize, Oh, we want

1025
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,440
to have the if we're gonna get rid of players, like,

1026
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,280
we'll do it trade. We don't want to let them

1027
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,199
get the free agency, which is what a lot of

1028
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,079
other teams are doing. But they're doing it with guys

1029
00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:08,719
who maybe you wouldn't necessarily think should be Like the

1030
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,119
Jared Allen stuff, him signing an extension after the way

1031
00:48:11,159 --> 00:48:13,000
like he was thrown under the bus at one point

1032
00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:17,000
was fascinating. So I don't think we're gonna get any

1033
00:48:17,079 --> 00:48:19,639
veteran an extensions, especially because they're so deep into If

1034
00:48:19,679 --> 00:48:22,000
I had to, here's a good question, and I'll answer

1035
00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:24,800
it myself. Are they more likely to sign someone to

1036
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,320
an extension of the players we named or actually cut

1037
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,760
salary from their luxury tax bill for the rest of

1038
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,599
the offseason, and I would pick the ladder pretty confidently.

1039
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,039
I'm not saying they'll do either, but I think it's

1040
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:38,079
more likely that they say, yeah, we just want to

1041
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:40,920
trim Like they're twenty million dollars past the second apron right,

1042
00:48:41,199 --> 00:48:43,480
so if they don't want to pay for a roster

1043
00:48:43,559 --> 00:48:46,239
that's approaching I think like four hundred million dollars in

1044
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:51,719
like player salary and taxes. I know Dan Gilbert has

1045
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,159
been willing to spend on players in the past, but

1046
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:58,800
this is unprecedented spending for them basically, So, yeah, three

1047
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,360
hundred and ninety five point seven million is their projected

1048
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:06,000
team salary plus tax bill. They're good enough to do

1049
00:49:06,039 --> 00:49:07,519
it for one year. I don't get like if I'm

1050
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:08,920
if I'm the Cavs, I just pay it. I think

1051
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,519
they're good enough, but I think that would be more

1052
00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:15,000
likely than getting an extension. Your silence means that you

1053
00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:17,280
want to move on rather than you try to set

1054
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:17,920
yourself we.

1055
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,559
Speaker 2: Are we are way behind.

1056
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,679
Speaker 1: Well, you don't respond to some of my points, which

1057
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,400
is just it's dishearten sometimes.

1058
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,599
Speaker 2: Mort I know, look that's because I agree with you.

1059
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,320
You make so so great points. I'm just sitting there

1060
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,480
writing it. It's great, uh.

1061
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,199
Speaker 1: With the head nod leaving me hanging while I'm trying

1062
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,760
to timestamp here. But the Detroit Pistons, we don't typically

1063
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,400
talk about rookie extensions during this exercise, but unless you

1064
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,800
think that they need to make another addition, do you

1065
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:44,920
want to see them get another?

1066
00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 2: Like?

1067
00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: How do they have us star Thompson and Tobias Harris?

1068
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:48,960
Do you want a better Ford? Do you want a

1069
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,679
better big than Stewart? Or I just don't. There's do

1070
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,760
you want a veteran ball handler? When you have Jade

1071
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,480
and Ivy and already got Carselver, it just feels like

1072
00:49:56,519 --> 00:49:59,519
they're done unless there's a star player that becomes available

1073
00:49:59,519 --> 00:50:02,199
that they it was a really good fit. Thoughts on

1074
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,280
these extensions. Do you think that no otage in the

1075
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,760
chat says Jade and Ivy is he good? I mean,

1076
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,400
it's a question that a lot of he showed flashes

1077
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,559
last year, but that's part of the extension discussion. We

1078
00:50:12,599 --> 00:50:14,360
know you like him, Do you think he gets an extension?

1079
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 2: I don't because he got injured. We never see like, Okay,

1080
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,440
so he's been We've been talking about this before. So

1081
00:50:21,559 --> 00:50:26,079
year two that was the whole money Williams year where

1082
00:50:26,119 --> 00:50:30,239
he got jerked around in terms of role and minutes,

1083
00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:33,480
and so we didn't really see an optimized version of

1084
00:50:33,559 --> 00:50:36,760
him in his second year. Then he came into year three,

1085
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:41,440
I think that we're beginning to see like the real

1086
00:50:41,519 --> 00:50:43,679
version of him, and then he went down miss fifty

1087
00:50:43,679 --> 00:50:46,920
two games, so like we only have a furdy game

1088
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,360
sample size where we could see sort of the vision

1089
00:50:50,599 --> 00:50:54,960
of him alongside Kate and within this system. So I'm

1090
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,880
probably not inclined to extend him right now, but I

1091
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,719
will say this, if he and his agents are opened

1092
00:51:03,039 --> 00:51:07,000
to like a sweetheart deal, sure, why not a sweetheart

1093
00:51:07,039 --> 00:51:10,639
deal for the from benefiting the Pistons obviously, Like if

1094
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:16,239
he's down to signing some for your extension to what

1095
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,679
do I know, like an even twenty a year, which.

1096
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: Like, wow, I don't even know, I don't even know.

1097
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 2: Oh I'm doing that immediately, Yeah, I believe, and even

1098
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:29,800
twenty are you kidding? Four years eighty? Come on, you

1099
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:31,280
can't be that low on him.

1100
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,639
Speaker 1: It's not that I'm low on him. But so he's

1101
00:51:33,679 --> 00:51:36,880
coming back from here's my thing. He's coming back from

1102
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,920
a major injury, the offense with him and Caide. While

1103
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,679
we agree that this is the best we've seen Jay

1104
00:51:41,679 --> 00:51:43,760
and Ivy, you could still get better. Was still about

1105
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,000
league average with them on the floor, and they lost

1106
00:51:46,039 --> 00:51:49,800
those minutes last season. I don't have enough information to

1107
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,039
just commit. And if it's here's my thing. If he's

1108
00:51:53,039 --> 00:51:55,760
getting twenty million a year, his cap pled next summer

1109
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,000
before he signs a new deals twenty seven, that's not

1110
00:51:58,159 --> 00:51:59,760
enough of just a haircut for me to say no.

1111
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,719
Like if it's you know, if it's three years, it's

1112
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:04,800
like going out four years on. It's just we don't

1113
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:09,599
have enough information on him and this fit like for

1114
00:52:09,639 --> 00:52:12,480
this iteration of the Pistons, and also just how much

1115
00:52:12,519 --> 00:52:15,079
does JB. Bickerstaff value him when we know that he's

1116
00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:17,519
not the greatest defender and we've see JB. Bickerstaff kind

1117
00:52:17,519 --> 00:52:20,039
of ding guys when they or not. I also think

1118
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,679
that the off ball shooting improvement, it's important what's the

1119
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,119
volume at which he could do it? Because Ron Holland

1120
00:52:26,159 --> 00:52:27,880
and Asar Thompson are guys that you want to put

1121
00:52:28,119 --> 00:52:30,159
like need on ball touches. I know Ron Holland had

1122
00:52:30,199 --> 00:52:32,280
a really good he had a better his Jumper looked

1123
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,519
better in Summer League, but the game against the Knicks

1124
00:52:34,519 --> 00:52:36,800
where he shot I don't know, like eleven of ten

1125
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:38,960
out of three on threes, was doing a lot of

1126
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,239
heavy lifting there. I just don't know that we have

1127
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,719
enough information on how he fits within this structure of

1128
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,920
the team, and it would probably have to be like

1129
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,880
four for sixty or something. And I'm not saying I

1130
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,039
think Jane and Ivey shouldn't sign that. I still think

1131
00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:54,159
it'd be a good player. But we also know how

1132
00:52:54,159 --> 00:52:56,800
restricted free agency works now more. Even if you think

1133
00:52:57,079 --> 00:52:59,400
j n Ivy's really who's coming in with the offer sheet,

1134
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,400
maybe and maybe help me somebody.

1135
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 2: But I would say that's the thing because I was

1136
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,800
looking at it as an outside team, because if that

1137
00:53:07,039 --> 00:53:09,880
was like the thing where you know, he wanted twenty,

1138
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,119
let's say twenty, and the Detroit were like, nah, if

1139
00:53:13,159 --> 00:53:15,480
I'm an outside team and I have money, I'm like, yes, sir,

1140
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:18,719
because I don't look at Jaden Ivy in through the

1141
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,079
you know, Cam Thomas Lens. I love Cam Thomas, but

1142
00:53:22,119 --> 00:53:25,480
I also realized that he has some significant weaknesses and

1143
00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:31,039
some shortcomings. I don't necessarily attach those same weaknesses to Ivy.

1144
00:53:31,079 --> 00:53:34,159
I think there's a player in there who is so

1145
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,760
much better, who plays under more control, who has better

1146
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,719
floor presence, also in terms of playmaking and floor spacing

1147
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,159
and off the cat shooting, there's so much more stuff

1148
00:53:43,199 --> 00:53:46,400
to Like. Now, I understand you're bringing up the numbers

1149
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,639
with Kate and like, how did that look? That's totally fair.

1150
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,280
It's not like I'm ruling that out as oh, that's

1151
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,840
totally relevant. But it's not something I'm baking everything around,

1152
00:53:56,039 --> 00:53:59,639
not saying you are either, don't worry, but it's it's

1153
00:53:59,679 --> 00:54:03,000
something that just fills less with me. It's not something

1154
00:54:03,039 --> 00:54:05,599
I put that much on because this is a weird

1155
00:54:05,639 --> 00:54:08,800
Pistons team. However, want to slice it, there's a center

1156
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,000
who's a non spacing center first and foremost. We also

1157
00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:15,360
know that Osar Thompson not a floor spacer either. So

1158
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:19,199
like the pendulum swings a lot depending on how they play,

1159
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,559
do they establishing themselves on the interium more often than not?

1160
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:26,079
Like it it's a little bit of the Wild Wall

1161
00:54:26,159 --> 00:54:29,880
West in Detroit in terms of how they play. And

1162
00:54:30,039 --> 00:54:32,440
I would just like to have another gun in my

1163
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:35,960
holster for that type of play style. And I think

1164
00:54:36,159 --> 00:54:39,039
Ivy is that if they think they can get them

1165
00:54:39,039 --> 00:54:42,800
for even cheaper, by all means, I think there's a

1166
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,880
player in there. And if I'm a team who if

1167
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,239
I'm young, I'm up and coming, and I'm smelling that

1168
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:54,119
the pistons are not necessarily in on the Ivy experience.

1169
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:58,719
I'm pouncing. I'm absolutely pouncing. I'm high on this kid.

1170
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,639
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm low on him, and I think

1171
00:55:01,639 --> 00:55:04,280
it's encouraging. He ended up shooting like forty three percent

1172
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,239
from three when Kate Gunningham was off the floor last year,

1173
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,360
but the offense was also dog shit in those minutes,

1174
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:12,639
and so I don't know what to think of him

1175
00:55:12,639 --> 00:55:14,280
as a floor general yet I think we might have

1176
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:15,719
a pretty good feel of what he could do as

1177
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,679
a score, both on and off the ball. But I

1178
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:22,519
worry about Okay, if you are investing in him, you

1179
00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:24,719
can't do so because if you're investing in him and saying, well,

1180
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,000
he's just basically a two at that point, if you

1181
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,119
don't think he could like run your offense during the

1182
00:55:29,159 --> 00:55:32,119
minutes that Kate is absent, like with the what the

1183
00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:34,480
ten to fifteen minutes a game that Kate does not play,

1184
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,199
That's what I'm still hung up on probably more than anything,

1185
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,280
and I like to go out four years in twenty

1186
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,519
million per I wouldn't be able to do that just yet.

1187
00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:44,159
I still I still very much like him and he's

1188
00:55:44,159 --> 00:55:46,599
worth And by the way, I think the Pistons offseason

1189
00:55:46,639 --> 00:55:48,199
was fine. I think it was smart that they didn't

1190
00:55:48,199 --> 00:55:51,440
do anything dramatic, especially after the Malik Beasley news, and

1191
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:52,960
that they're still set up to be really good in

1192
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,039
the East, like this could easily be a top four

1193
00:55:55,079 --> 00:55:57,079
team in the East, and certainly I think it's certainly

1194
00:55:57,119 --> 00:55:58,760
probably a top six team. I'm sure I had them

1195
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,000
in the top six when we did tears.

1196
00:56:01,079 --> 00:56:05,280
Speaker 2: While you were talking, we have news and stew up

1197
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:11,519
wreath news. Is it? The Blazers are fully guaranteeing his contract.

1198
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:12,320
There we go.

1199
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:15,159
Speaker 1: I mean, good for him, but someone go fucking trade

1200
00:56:15,199 --> 00:56:17,639
for that guy. Now, my god, Hey, you just said

1201
00:56:17,679 --> 00:56:19,800
the Pistons don't really have a force basing center. Let's

1202
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,400
get du Op brief in here. That's the Should the

1203
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:26,079
Pistons go add duop wreath? Yes, the answer is yes.

1204
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,119
Final thing to wrap up on the Pistons, and we've

1205
00:56:28,119 --> 00:56:31,199
talked a lot about the Durant extension big extensions. Who

1206
00:56:31,199 --> 00:56:32,880
do you think is more likely to get an extension

1207
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:33,679
between these two.

1208
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,559
Speaker 2: During during because of the Yeah, you know, he's a

1209
00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:44,400
big man who has been steadily improving defensively, elite rebounder,

1210
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,599
and more importantly, he's been on the floor, like he

1211
00:56:47,679 --> 00:56:51,679
hasn't missed all that much time. I think the inter

1212
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,079
play between him and Kate has grown. I think you

1213
00:56:55,119 --> 00:56:59,119
also need to have someone of his caliber, you know,

1214
00:56:59,199 --> 00:57:02,119
to catch law to grab boards, like you need to

1215
00:57:02,119 --> 00:57:04,840
give a guy like Kate Cunning him a legitimate big

1216
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,880
man to actually feed the ball too, like you can't

1217
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,639
not have that. So I think he's their priority. But

1218
00:57:10,679 --> 00:57:14,960
I don't think it's like miles ahead. I don't. I

1219
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,760
think they want to take care of both at the

1220
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:17,519
same time.

1221
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:20,639
Speaker 1: That you would think that they want to get extensions

1222
00:57:20,639 --> 00:57:22,400
hashed out rather than taking either one of them.

1223
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,239
Speaker 2: Or I yeah, so I on, yeah, I wouldn't be

1224
00:57:25,239 --> 00:57:28,199
surprised if they want to again, depending on you know,

1225
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,800
them taking a deals that are beneficial to the Pistons,

1226
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,880
because they've acted like that before. A lot of teams

1227
00:57:35,119 --> 00:57:39,760
basically approach rookie extensions as if we're doing you a favor.

1228
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:44,960
So like take less. So it's it's through that perspective too,

1229
00:57:45,519 --> 00:57:49,320
And like, look, if Jaden or Jalen or both say

1230
00:57:49,679 --> 00:57:52,280
hell no, let's go into a strict free agency. Okay

1231
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:56,519
by all means, but I would understand why agents would

1232
00:57:56,519 --> 00:58:00,199
be like, huh, let's not. Let's not because are you

1233
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,039
are you seeing what's going on right now? Like? Are

1234
00:58:03,079 --> 00:58:06,760
you seeing this? So we'll see what happens.

1235
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:10,239
Speaker 1: I wonder if they would be less likely to give

1236
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,280
Duran an extension if let's say both Mark Williams and

1237
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,599
Walker Kessler don't get one, because then they might look

1238
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:18,280
at it as Walker Kesler. Certainly, if a team is

1239
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,280
gonna give an offer sheet to a big manner restricted

1240
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,480
free agency, I think it would be Walker Kessler before

1241
00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:25,519
Jalen Duran at this point. So that could be part

1242
00:58:25,519 --> 00:58:26,440
of this calculus too.

1243
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,599
Speaker 2: That is not an unfair suggestion.

1244
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm gonna say I agree with you.

1245
00:58:32,719 --> 00:58:34,840
I think Durren would be more likely to get the extension.

1246
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:36,800
I actually would be pretty surprised if both of them

1247
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:38,840
get extensions, though that's interesting that you think that that

1248
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:42,800
would be a possibility. I think I'd value the flexibility

1249
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,440
of letting them both go to RFA, but maybe that's

1250
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,679
about to turn We move on to the Indiana Pacers.

1251
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,320
Don't have Tyres Albert next year, no longer have Miles

1252
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,679
Turner either. Are they gonna do anything with like their

1253
00:58:55,719 --> 00:58:58,599
non tax payer mid level or their disabled player exception?

1254
00:58:58,719 --> 00:59:00,440
I guess the deep like that, you could say both

1255
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,679
for the middle of the season, but they I like

1256
00:59:03,719 --> 00:59:05,920
the Jay huff deal, but like the center position doesn't

1257
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,079
have a ton of juice on it. Could you do

1258
00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:11,000
you want like another maybe like veteran type ball handler,

1259
00:59:11,079 --> 00:59:13,719
like as a placeholder to help you maybe run the offense.

1260
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,920
I know Michael Pena made the case for the Pacers

1261
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,280
to be the Ben Simmons team. That's certainly interesting. So

1262
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,920
sometimes saying use the entire mL, But this doesn't feel

1263
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,000
like a team that should be done if they're trying

1264
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:26,239
to be competitive next season.

1265
00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:30,719
Speaker 2: Right, So there's six million under the tax line.

1266
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 1: Right, so they have room to do Who doesn't have

1267
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,320
to be the entire MM. They have room to do something.

1268
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:43,119
Speaker 2: They can they can do something. Yeah, I mean again,

1269
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:47,239
I'm sort of sitting here thinking what's the big point,

1270
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,039
what's the big idea? But like, like whom they could

1271
00:59:50,039 --> 00:59:53,880
they get a real difference maker in with that financial flexibility.

1272
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,360
Maybe not, but why not swing on something. I would

1273
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:02,719
hate for them to go old with that money, if anything,

1274
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,679
because of the situation they find themselves in where expectations

1275
01:00:06,719 --> 01:00:10,079
are low, you know, no tyreees. I would love for

1276
01:00:10,159 --> 01:00:14,679
them to see if they can find someone cheap on

1277
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:18,280
the market, someone who's flying under the radar where they

1278
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,239
can get in and try to get minutes. And I

1279
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,119
don't really care about the position, but the question is

1280
01:00:23,719 --> 01:00:27,079
who is out there? Like, because I'm just speaking hypothetically

1281
01:00:27,159 --> 01:00:30,800
and generally I don't have a name, but I do

1282
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,840
want that player to be young, like give them, give

1283
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:35,639
yourselves a chance some upside.

1284
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: So like I'm trying to think, because they're not, they

1285
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,760
should not be a team. We both agree that would

1286
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,039
trade a first round pick for somebody at this point,

1287
01:00:43,199 --> 01:00:46,719
and it's like a jail and picket from Denver maybe,

1288
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,480
or Kobe Bufkin from Atlanta if.

1289
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was even thinking for the free agency

1290
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,159
market or something, but like, yeah, you can go scour

1291
01:00:55,119 --> 01:00:56,639
other teams benches for sure.

1292
01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, who are you thinking on the free agency market?

1293
01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:01,159
Then that's like, is there even.

1294
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 2: Any No, I was that's what I'm saying, I wasn't

1295
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,440
thinking like I was. I was basically saying, if there's

1296
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,239
a young guy out there, like I need to go

1297
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,199
in and and actually look at who's out there, Like

1298
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,119
you can go trade for someone, or you can go

1299
01:01:13,199 --> 01:01:16,639
sign someone if there's someone out there, Like again, remember

1300
01:01:16,639 --> 01:01:21,679
every single organization have you know, looked at virtually everyone

1301
01:01:21,679 --> 01:01:24,639
who's gone through the draft before, some like other players

1302
01:01:24,679 --> 01:01:27,000
more than others. And if there was a guy out

1303
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,719
there who the Pistons, Wow, who the Pacers have had

1304
01:01:29,719 --> 01:01:31,920
through the doors before where they were like, yeah, you

1305
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,119
know what, we have a good eye to him. Why

1306
01:01:34,159 --> 01:01:39,039
not like if someone gets waved within the next couple

1307
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,599
of weeks or something where they were like, oh we

1308
01:01:41,639 --> 01:01:45,400
actually like this dude, bring him in. I think they

1309
01:01:45,519 --> 01:01:48,599
just what's the upsiding going for Ben Simmons? Really, what

1310
01:01:48,719 --> 01:01:50,239
is the upside of going for.

1311
01:01:51,079 --> 01:01:53,039
Speaker 1: I would argue if you're using the minimum to do,

1312
01:01:53,079 --> 01:01:55,320
I'm not saying they should go give Ben Simmons more

1313
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:58,000
than anybody else's offering. Right for how they like to

1314
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,360
play in the open floor, Ben Simmons could still probably

1315
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,920
help them there, could probably help them defensively, And.

1316
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:06,159
Speaker 2: It's a one year for him and for them, and.

1317
01:02:06,119 --> 01:02:07,679
Speaker 1: If it doesn't work out, you can get rid of

1318
01:02:07,719 --> 01:02:13,400
him when this opportunity that you're talking about presents itself. Okay, Ven,

1319
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:16,199
I don't know if he does enough of what they

1320
01:02:16,199 --> 01:02:18,679
would want with the situation he's always injured. But Malcolm

1321
01:02:18,679 --> 01:02:20,320
brocked In, I mean, if he would take the minimum

1322
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,000
or a little bit more to come play for the

1323
01:02:22,039 --> 01:02:24,599
Pacers is just he doesn't have to be on the ball,

1324
01:02:24,639 --> 01:02:26,440
So that's a bonus. Ben Zimmons kind of has to.

1325
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 2: Be Yeah, you can. You can hear. I'm not exactly enthused.

1326
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,760
And again it's because it's the same thing with the Celtics,

1327
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,280
right like when you're going through that one year where

1328
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,960
you just kind of know, yeah, we're not gonna make

1329
01:02:41,039 --> 01:02:46,320
noise this year, then I'm I automatically just switch into oh, okay,

1330
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,760
let's see what we can do upsidewise, like what youth.

1331
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,000
I immediately transition into youth.

1332
01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:55,239
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's fine to think that way, but

1333
01:02:55,239 --> 01:02:57,920
then you I feel like you should still do something

1334
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,280
like I just because it the kind of wait is

1335
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,559
so because if you're not going we had this conversation

1336
01:03:03,599 --> 01:03:06,239
with the Celtics, if you're not going to be committed.

1337
01:03:06,599 --> 01:03:08,920
Like the Pacers definitely seem even less likely from the

1338
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:12,159
onset of the season to say, hey, we're gonna tank.

1339
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,280
Maybe they get to that point because they're not as

1340
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:17,199
good as expected, but they seem like just because that's

1341
01:03:17,199 --> 01:03:20,760
how they've done things historically. And also Nemhard and Pascal Siakam,

1342
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,719
Benanicmathrin and like all these good players Aaron E. Smith

1343
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:27,000
are still on the team. They're trying to be They

1344
01:03:27,079 --> 01:03:29,400
understand they probably won't win a title, but I think

1345
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,199
that they're still trying to be a top six team

1346
01:03:31,199 --> 01:03:33,280
in the East, and I'd probably like to see them

1347
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,360
go get more. I mean, I love Jay Huff and

1348
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,199
like I guess you technically have some big man depth

1349
01:03:38,199 --> 01:03:40,880
if you're willing to scale up Siakam, Jaris Walker getting

1350
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,000
more minutes would be a great thing. And you don't,

1351
01:03:43,039 --> 01:03:44,360
I want to be clear, you don't want to do

1352
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:49,960
anything that's gonna make you play Benanicmathrin or Jarris Walker less.

1353
01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:51,840
So I want to make that clear. But I think

1354
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:53,280
that if you're trying to be good, I think there's

1355
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:56,039
value in whether it's an upside swing play or signing

1356
01:03:56,079 --> 01:03:58,559
a veteran who's not gonna cost you much. I would

1357
01:03:58,599 --> 01:04:02,199
like to see, like maybe someone who could like just

1358
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,159
generate offense for others on them, aside from TJ McConnell

1359
01:04:05,159 --> 01:04:07,760
and having to place that responsibility on and Andrew Nemhard.

1360
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 2: Caleb Houston was waived, right, No, he was not. I'm

1361
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:19,599
pretty sure he's a free agent.

1362
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:21,599
Speaker 1: Caleb Houston is a free agent.

1363
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:22,559
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure.

1364
01:04:22,599 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, no appenda is on their payroll, so yeah,

1365
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:28,559
that would make sense. Then Caleb Houston was waived.

1366
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 2: No. See, that's the type of name I'm looking for

1367
01:04:31,519 --> 01:04:34,400
if I'm the Pacers, that's the type of swing that

1368
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:39,760
i'd think twenty two year old six eight wing shoots it.

1369
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,239
There's a two wave potential there. Like, that's how I'm thinking.

1370
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,519
I get what you're thinking is though, Like I'm not

1371
01:04:46,599 --> 01:04:48,559
saying that there is no merit to it, but like,

1372
01:04:50,639 --> 01:04:53,519
let's assume that they bring in Ben all right, he

1373
01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:59,679
does fairly well whatever, he's twenty nine thirty ish. Then

1374
01:04:59,719 --> 01:05:02,599
he used to get next year, big whoop, what have

1375
01:05:02,679 --> 01:05:08,599
you accomplished? I want someone who you can bring along

1376
01:05:08,719 --> 01:05:12,079
when Tyrese comes back too, where you can say, oh,

1377
01:05:12,519 --> 01:05:18,440
now we have this guy as well.

1378
01:05:16,159 --> 01:05:18,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I would support that. I think I

1379
01:05:18,079 --> 01:05:22,519
support them making like then more addition, I don't, I

1380
01:05:22,519 --> 01:05:24,480
don't know. I'd probably rather it be like at the

1381
01:05:24,639 --> 01:05:27,320
point guard spot or the center spot, like go you

1382
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:29,519
go get Dominic Barlow right now, and you have a

1383
01:05:29,519 --> 01:05:35,159
fan in me uh forever, So they okay, Dominic Barlow

1384
01:05:35,199 --> 01:05:36,960
is still out there. I guess. The other thing that

1385
01:05:37,519 --> 01:05:40,280
I at least haven't considered throughout having this discussion is

1386
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,239
they they even have like how many bodies on the

1387
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:45,719
roster they already have? They have their fifteen like with

1388
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:49,119
Cam Jones, Johnny Furphy, James huff That's the issue you

1389
01:05:49,159 --> 01:05:50,559
run into is though you're gonna get rid of it

1390
01:05:50,559 --> 01:05:53,960
Tony Bradley. So that's the other thing that we would

1391
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:55,559
need to mention here. So it would almost have to

1392
01:05:55,599 --> 01:05:58,159
be whatever they're gonna do would have to be sort

1393
01:05:58,159 --> 01:06:00,000
of a trade or they're gonna dump somebody or way

1394
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:04,480
somebody Which of the names that we mentioned is anybody

1395
01:06:04,519 --> 01:06:07,199
more sort of intriguing than anyone else on their roster?

1396
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:08,679
That is a problem that you run. I mean, like,

1397
01:06:08,679 --> 01:06:10,679
I'm not a big Tony Bradley guy, so maybe he

1398
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,199
would be the one where if you want to Caleb Houston,

1399
01:06:13,519 --> 01:06:15,039
if you want to go get a young guard, if

1400
01:06:15,079 --> 01:06:16,519
you want to take a look at Dominic Barlow, I

1401
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:18,039
wouldn't have a problem getting rid of him.

1402
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 2: Agreed.

1403
01:06:20,159 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 1: Our next team up will be the Miami Heat. The

1404
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,960
Tyler Hero extension discussion moret three years, one hundred and

1405
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:31,000
forty nine point seven million dollars they could give him,

1406
01:06:31,519 --> 01:06:33,719
would you extend him? Do you think that he's worth

1407
01:06:33,719 --> 01:06:35,800
all of that? Which is not the actual max, but

1408
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,679
is the max that he could receive? Where how do

1409
01:06:38,719 --> 01:06:40,480
you think it ends? What are your thoughts here?

1410
01:06:40,679 --> 01:06:43,239
Speaker 2: Give me the number again, please, three.

1411
01:06:43,079 --> 01:06:45,519
Speaker 1: Years and one hundred and forty nine point seven million

1412
01:06:45,559 --> 01:06:47,519
dollars is the maximum? Doesn't have to be the number

1413
01:06:47,599 --> 01:06:48,639
that they sign him for, but that.

1414
01:06:48,639 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 2: Is the max he so roughly fifty million a year?

1415
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 1: Yes, no, okay, I get that.

1416
01:06:57,159 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like Tyler Hero, but that like we're just

1417
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:02,480
going right back to the discussion we had about like

1418
01:07:02,559 --> 01:07:06,679
the fox you know thing? Where where is this d like?

1419
01:07:06,679 --> 01:07:09,440
Where is he at? Is he a superstar? Is he

1420
01:07:09,519 --> 01:07:12,840
an all star who's not a superstar? Is he a

1421
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:16,760
fringe all star? Like? What level is he in? Tyler

1422
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:20,000
Hero is certainly not in that top tier thing, and

1423
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:25,960
I would argue fifty roughly fifty million a year. That's

1424
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,159
that's that's juicy potential, a little bit juicy.

1425
01:07:30,559 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 1: So what it ends up being like that deal would

1426
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:34,800
be worth the three years about twenty eight percent twenty

1427
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:36,440
eight and a half percent of the salary cap, which

1428
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:39,719
actually isn't so egregious. I actually it's it's interesting that

1429
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,239
you just approached it from the pure finances standpoint. I

1430
01:07:42,239 --> 01:07:45,639
looked at it saying everything they've done is telegraphed that

1431
01:07:45,679 --> 01:07:48,079
they either want to maybe have cap space next year

1432
01:07:48,199 --> 01:07:50,599
or have a shit ton of flexibility in twenty twenty seven,

1433
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:53,599
which is when a Tyler Hero extension would kick in.

1434
01:07:54,079 --> 01:07:56,280
And so I just don't think they're gonna give him one,

1435
01:07:56,679 --> 01:07:58,960
like if they make a trade. That's the other thing

1436
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,079
here too, is that by the time he's extension eligible,

1437
01:08:01,639 --> 01:08:03,519
he's not going to be able to be traded in season.

1438
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:05,400
And are they gonna want to keep all their options

1439
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:09,239
open if a Jannis Attentakupo becomes available or someone else.

1440
01:08:09,679 --> 01:08:11,920
But the main thing for me would be, like, what's

1441
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,480
the number as the heat that if you're planning on

1442
01:08:14,559 --> 01:08:18,399
trying to remain malleable, flexible in the summer of twenty

1443
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,159
twenty seven, that Tyler hero has to be willing to

1444
01:08:21,199 --> 01:08:23,239
accept for you to eat into that by putting him

1445
01:08:23,279 --> 01:08:25,319
on the books pack because right now he would be

1446
01:08:25,319 --> 01:08:27,399
a free agent. That like, that's part of the appeal

1447
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:29,760
is he comes off the books that year. If Andrew

1448
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:31,800
Wiggins picks up his player option, he comes off the

1449
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,239
books as well. Daveian Mitchell's deal comes off the books

1450
01:08:34,239 --> 01:08:37,359
by then, So I'm curious as to what number they

1451
01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:40,359
would especially because they can say, well, he's under contract

1452
01:08:40,399 --> 01:08:42,479
for two more years. We can revisit this next summer

1453
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,159
if we would, like. I'm wondering what the number would

1454
01:08:45,199 --> 01:08:47,439
need to be for them to say no, like, let's

1455
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,560
do this extension right now. No, not right now when

1456
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:51,119
he's eligible.

1457
01:08:51,159 --> 01:08:53,159
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, not to under the current

1458
01:08:53,359 --> 01:08:57,119
I guess are roughly the same. I don't think it's

1459
01:08:57,319 --> 01:08:59,399
substantially more than what he's learning right now.

1460
01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, what is he at right now? He's at

1461
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:08,319
thirty million three next year. You could probably talk me

1462
01:09:08,359 --> 01:09:11,079
into to pounce on it. I get what you're saying. Yeah,

1463
01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:12,239
like thirty five.

1464
01:09:12,399 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 2: The story you set up, I think, yeah.

1465
01:09:15,159 --> 01:09:18,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, if that's the If it's like three years at

1466
01:09:18,039 --> 01:09:20,279
thirty five million a pop, I'm probably jumping on it.

1467
01:09:20,359 --> 01:09:22,159
That's the deal that you could if you want cap space.

1468
01:09:22,199 --> 01:09:23,239
I think you could just trade it.

1469
01:09:24,039 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, like if you're going above forty or forty five

1470
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:32,680
or close to fifty that it's not worth it your pounds.

1471
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:36,640
If it's something that is so dramatically beneficial to you.

1472
01:09:39,119 --> 01:09:41,239
Speaker 1: Yes, And I think they've done a good job balancing

1473
01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:44,039
because he's not a point guard, nor is Norman Powell,

1474
01:09:44,079 --> 01:09:46,800
but Heroes improved a lot as a playmaker. I almost

1475
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:50,239
like the idea where like a Daveian Mitchell we know

1476
01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:52,720
is not a point guard because you have pel Larson

1477
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:57,680
and because you have yakachonas like put the ball, give

1478
01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:59,920
them reps, put the ball in their hands because Norman

1479
01:10:00,039 --> 01:10:02,399
how when Tyler hero can play so well off of it.

1480
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:05,920
So you're a Heat team that isn't rebuilding or resetting

1481
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,159
next year. You're still trying to be good, but you've

1482
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:12,600
left clear runway to develop like those two players specifically

1483
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:16,239
I'm looking at. I'm curious to see though, whether the

1484
01:10:16,279 --> 01:10:18,479
Heat indulge that or if we're gonna see a lot

1485
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:20,600
of Okay, like we're gonna try and make Tyry Rozier

1486
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:23,479
happen again, or Hero is gonna have the ball a ton,

1487
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:25,239
Norman Palell is gonna have the ball a ton. I think, look,

1488
01:10:25,239 --> 01:10:26,520
there's room for them to have the ball a ton

1489
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,159
and develop those guys. But I do think that's why

1490
01:10:29,159 --> 01:10:31,000
Tyler Hero is so important to them. I just don't

1491
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,960
know that he is like hashtag we need to get

1492
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:34,520
this extension.

1493
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely.

1494
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 1: Our next team is the Milwaukee Bucks. Mort do they

1495
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,800
need another wing or does Kyle Kuzma and Torrian Prince

1496
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:47,199
really do.

1497
01:10:47,119 --> 01:10:50,560
Speaker 2: It for you? Do they need more talent? Do they

1498
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:56,239
need like here's the list, Yeah, sure, they need not wing,

1499
01:10:56,359 --> 01:10:59,439
they need another guard, they need another everything. This is

1500
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:03,960
a team that it is so unbaked that it's yeah, yes,

1501
01:11:04,359 --> 01:11:06,680
to answer your question instead of going long term here,

1502
01:11:07,359 --> 01:11:10,279
they need another wing. Absolutely, they need another wing. Who

1503
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:11,479
who do you have in mind?

1504
01:11:13,119 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 1: I don't have targets for them to go after. I

1505
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:16,359
mean when you look at the that's the thing that's

1506
01:11:16,359 --> 01:11:17,720
a problem with them. If you look at the free

1507
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:21,399
agency list, it's gonna be pre slim pickings here, and

1508
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:25,960
then trading gets fairly complicated. So like of the free

1509
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:27,880
agents that are left, Like, do they need a reunion

1510
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,760
with like they're kind of entered. Oh, wis Javonte Green, Tory,

1511
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:33,640
Craig J. Crowder doing Caleb Houston be interesting for them

1512
01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:37,159
for sure, that'd be another good name there. I wouldn't

1513
01:11:37,159 --> 01:11:40,560
mind them taking a flyer on Kessler Edwards either. I've

1514
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:43,520
always been a little bit intrigued by him. They do

1515
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:45,720
have fifteen guaranteed contracts on the roster, but I'm not

1516
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:47,560
like a Tyler Smith guy, so if you just kind

1517
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:49,560
of need to need to get rid of him, that's

1518
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:51,800
not something that I would be broken up about. They

1519
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,000
have sixteen million dollars under the tax as well, so

1520
01:11:54,039 --> 01:11:56,039
there are some things they could game if they wanted

1521
01:11:56,079 --> 01:12:00,359
to go to the trade market, Like if fore, I

1522
01:12:00,399 --> 01:12:02,199
don't know what the outgoing money would need to be

1523
01:12:02,239 --> 01:12:04,000
to help that. And that's the other problem with this

1524
01:12:04,079 --> 01:12:06,600
is so like Kevin Porter, Junior, Ryan Rollins, Gary Trench,

1525
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:11,000
Junior Garrett, they're so cheap after they're and so all

1526
01:12:11,039 --> 01:12:13,279
of that. This is something I haven't really realized until

1527
01:12:13,279 --> 01:12:15,520
he did this. More than half of their roster just

1528
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:17,880
signed a deal, so they can't even be traded. So

1529
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:22,840
Giannis Kuzma like, you could trade those guys, and that's

1530
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:25,199
basically Aj Green, you could trade him. I think he's

1531
01:12:25,199 --> 01:12:27,680
probably more likely to get extended than traded, so that

1532
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:30,319
would be another issue that they're up against. But I

1533
01:12:30,359 --> 01:12:32,960
look at them, I don't know that they need another guard.

1534
01:12:33,279 --> 01:12:36,119
They just they have a ton and if Jannie is

1535
01:12:36,119 --> 01:12:38,119
gonna run enough of the offense, you have Cole Anthony

1536
01:12:38,199 --> 01:12:41,520
of Ryan Rollins KPJ. I'm more okay with that. I

1537
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:43,520
look at the win and then bigs with Bobby Portis,

1538
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:45,840
Turner and Giannis, I think you're fine. Jericho Sims is

1539
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:48,239
a great number for them. I just look at It's okay,

1540
01:12:48,319 --> 01:12:52,199
Gary trentch Junior, Gary Harris, Torrian Prince. Aj Green not

1541
01:12:52,319 --> 01:12:56,359
really a wing. I would like to just see like that,

1542
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:58,319
like if they could get like a veteran in there

1543
01:12:58,399 --> 01:12:59,680
or a cheap guy, or there is a.

1544
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:01,319
Speaker 2: Trade to be something I can dripple.

1545
01:13:03,079 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 1: Kuzma thinks he could dribble. What's wrong with Kyle Kuzma?

1546
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 2: Oh do you have?

1547
01:13:07,239 --> 01:13:09,199
Speaker 1: Pendulum has really swung. I went from like being a

1548
01:13:09,279 --> 01:13:12,079
Kyle Kuzma defender to just like the last season and

1549
01:13:12,079 --> 01:13:15,039
a half two seasons it's been like tough sledding here.

1550
01:13:15,239 --> 01:13:19,520
Speaker 2: I look the way that he played this past season.

1551
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:24,479
That was gregious basketball. It was some of the most

1552
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:26,239
selfish basketball I've ever seen.

1553
01:13:27,359 --> 01:13:31,239
Speaker 1: Just yeah, but it was a little different in Milwaukee,

1554
01:13:31,319 --> 01:13:33,680
and I have to imagine he would shoot them, because

1555
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:36,920
you can't really play worse than he did different in Milwaukee.

1556
01:13:37,279 --> 01:13:41,159
Speaker 2: I hated his shot selection. Also in Milwaukee. I actually

1557
01:13:41,279 --> 01:13:43,800
expected him to come in and go, Okay, Now I'm

1558
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:46,279
on a team that at least has his chance. Now

1559
01:13:46,319 --> 01:13:49,520
I'm really gonna apply myself. I'm gonna be smarter with

1560
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:52,720
my shot selection. I'm gonna go the extra mile, I'm

1561
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:56,520
gonna do all the small stuff. Fat chance. This he

1562
01:13:56,840 --> 01:14:00,800
coasted and it was bad shot selection and the decision

1563
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:03,840
making was all over the floor. I'm so out on

1564
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:06,520
the cock who's experience in Milwaukee. I'm so out of it,

1565
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,199
And like I love that we're just bringing up the Bucks, Like,

1566
01:14:09,239 --> 01:14:12,520
do they need another wing? We're putting lipstick on a

1567
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,319
pig here. They don't like you said that. Oh, if

1568
01:14:15,319 --> 01:14:18,279
Giannis is gonna be the guy who's gonna handle the

1569
01:14:18,319 --> 01:14:20,520
ball a lot, sure, if we wanted him to break

1570
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:24,960
down by game fifty. Sure, I think this roster is

1571
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:29,279
just so bad. I don't trust that Doc Rivers is

1572
01:14:29,279 --> 01:14:32,199
gonna play anyone under the age of twenty eight anyway.

1573
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:35,199
Like so, even if Ky Caleb Houston would have been

1574
01:14:35,199 --> 01:14:39,279
a nice addition, fat chance getting Doc to play him,

1575
01:14:39,319 --> 01:14:42,000
because Doc is an old fart who doesn't know what

1576
01:14:42,119 --> 01:14:46,640
to like build long term on his roster or sorry rotations.

1577
01:14:47,039 --> 01:14:49,199
I just I'm so out on this team this year.

1578
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:53,840
I'm so there's no upside here whatsoever for me. I

1579
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:55,760
absolutely loathe this roster.

1580
01:14:57,039 --> 01:14:59,319
Speaker 1: That's interesting. I think you're way too low on them.

1581
01:14:59,319 --> 01:15:02,319
I don't even have the Kuzma stuff. He took way

1582
01:15:02,399 --> 01:15:04,840
fewer shots on a permanent basis of Milwaukee, So I

1583
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:05,239
think that.

1584
01:15:05,199 --> 01:15:07,399
Speaker 2: You are still bad. You could say fewer shots and

1585
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:08,680
them still being bad.

1586
01:15:09,039 --> 01:15:12,359
Speaker 1: I think. I guess what's tough here is that so

1587
01:15:12,399 --> 01:15:14,600
now Damian Lillard's gone, and if there's not a clear

1588
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:17,560
who's the second best player on this roster, that might

1589
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:20,039
embolden him to be more Washington Kuzma than trying to

1590
01:15:20,039 --> 01:15:22,159
fit in on a good team. But I think when

1591
01:15:22,159 --> 01:15:24,600
there's a clear best player and it's Giannas Attenthokumpo, he's

1592
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:26,800
gonna have the ball a lot. I'm not worried about

1593
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:28,960
him being as bad or worse, and you seem to

1594
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:29,279
be Viva.

1595
01:15:31,119 --> 01:15:33,399
Speaker 2: They would need you to be right. It's kind of

1596
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:37,680
my point here. The Bucks are are hoping that what

1597
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:40,199
you just said is what turns out to be true.

1598
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:43,760
I hope that as well. I just don't have much

1599
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:46,960
faith in it. And also I'm not exactly loving the

1600
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,159
idea of, oh, well, it's not Kyle Kusma, let's pivot

1601
01:15:49,199 --> 01:15:53,520
to Kevin Porter Junior. That's that's not exactly a recipe

1602
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:56,319
for success to me, and I just I still think

1603
01:15:56,359 --> 01:15:59,199
this team needs more off of florid leader. And I

1604
01:15:59,239 --> 01:16:02,399
say that as a Ryan Rawlins fan, by the way,

1605
01:16:03,199 --> 01:16:06,319
I do like that, dude. I mean, I still think

1606
01:16:06,319 --> 01:16:07,319
they're short of guard.

1607
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:09,279
Speaker 1: What's interesting is I would agree with you when it

1608
01:16:09,319 --> 01:16:11,399
comes to the floor general aspect, but then when you

1609
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:13,520
look at like what they could do and who's tradeable,

1610
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:16,920
like they can only make a massive move because it's

1611
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,399
like Kyle Kuzma's the most But then that would make sense.

1612
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:21,600
I just you have to attach a first round pick

1613
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:23,800
to Kyle Kuzma, and I think part of their Giannest

1614
01:16:24,079 --> 01:16:26,840
pitch right now was we'll have three tradable first round

1615
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:29,199
picks next summer. So they won't do that, and so

1616
01:16:29,199 --> 01:16:32,560
they'd be very much kind of like shopping on the margins,

1617
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:34,680
whether it's the trade market. I was trying to figure

1618
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:36,520
out a way to get them Sam Hauser, but they

1619
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:40,800
just run into Boston. Is Boston isn't gonna take Kyle Kuzma.

1620
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,079
That's more money and the trade gets so complicated.

1621
01:16:43,119 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 2: Well it helps them know Darren Peterson's we are would

1622
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:48,319
you do?

1623
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:50,119
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they could get close that would

1624
01:16:50,119 --> 01:16:52,680
bring them like uh No, they just run into so

1625
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:55,600
many contract issues like an Anthony Simon's and Sam Hauser

1626
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:58,439
for Kyle if you really want to tank Kyle Kuzma deal,

1627
01:16:58,479 --> 01:16:59,960
but I think Boston would want to first. It's part

1628
01:17:00,079 --> 01:17:02,880
that equation and the Bucks need to include more money

1629
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:05,279
in there, and it gets tough to get to that point.

1630
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:08,720
So I think they need to I was good call

1631
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:10,520
out on the floor general thing. I think the wing

1632
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:12,680
it's easier for them to take a like you now

1633
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:15,039
you have enough flyers at the guard spot, whether it's

1634
01:17:15,319 --> 01:17:18,640
Ryan Rollins or kp like ball handlers or Cole Anthony.

1635
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:20,880
So I probably want to see. It doesn't feel like

1636
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:23,399
there's enough upside on the wings for me, where like

1637
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:25,720
Ryan Rollins could pop. You could talk me to that

1638
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:26,600
as a guard spot.

1639
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:28,640
Speaker 2: He could pop. I don't disagree with that. I like him.

1640
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:29,319
He's a good guy.

1641
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 1: So on the wings, who are you saying that about?

1642
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,680
Like aj Green? Maybe? Like he's been a better defender

1643
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:36,560
than people expects. I hope he plays a bunch. But

1644
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:38,079
do we trust Doc too? Oh?

1645
01:17:38,159 --> 01:17:40,800
Speaker 2: I don't think there's any wing here that could like pop.

1646
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:43,520
I like Garret Trump Junior, like I think he could

1647
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:45,600
have a better year than what he had last year,

1648
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:49,239
which wasn't bad. But I think there's there's more to him.

1649
01:17:50,079 --> 01:17:52,439
But that's kind of it again. I'm very low one

1650
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:56,159
on the roster construction of these bucks, I really am.

1651
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 1: Let's go on to your New York Knicks. We don't

1652
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:03,279
have to talk about the Michel Bridges extension anymore because

1653
01:18:03,279 --> 01:18:05,279
he got one. Did you did you have a problem

1654
01:18:05,279 --> 01:18:06,640
with that? By the way, I saw a lot of

1655
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:08,800
people thought it was bad, and he's slated to be

1656
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:11,920
like the fifty fifth highest paid player when it kicks in.

1657
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:15,000
I don't think that that's Yeah, I was were you surprised,

1658
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:15,880
and how many people did.

1659
01:18:17,159 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 2: I've seen it over the course of today that a

1660
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:22,079
lot of people were like, oh, look at how expensive

1661
01:18:22,119 --> 01:18:24,199
the Knicks are now, and I'm just I've been just

1662
01:18:24,359 --> 01:18:25,640
shaking my head all day long.

1663
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:30,039
Speaker 1: I saw it. I saw it a screenshot of a

1664
01:18:30,039 --> 01:18:33,039
tweet Blue Sky that was actually really funny. Someone tweeted

1665
01:18:33,039 --> 01:18:36,279
the Knicks Jalen Brunton took a pay cut so the

1666
01:18:36,359 --> 01:18:38,239
Knicks could build the team around him, and they turned

1667
01:18:38,279 --> 01:18:41,119
around and gave that money to three other guys, And

1668
01:18:41,159 --> 01:18:43,479
I was just like, using it as isn't that the

1669
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:46,479
point then? Like, that's why Jalen Brunson took a pay cut.

1670
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:51,359
Speaker 2: Just do you understand NBA roster construction much? No, that's

1671
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:53,560
that's funny.

1672
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:56,239
Speaker 1: But yeah, we're not here to talk about that. I

1673
01:18:56,239 --> 01:18:58,159
think it was fine. He does need to be better,

1674
01:18:58,359 --> 01:19:02,560
but I don't he if it's not, I just I

1675
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:04,279
don't know. And he could still be traded this season

1676
01:19:04,319 --> 01:19:06,119
if they need too. I was surprised. I guess at

1677
01:19:06,399 --> 01:19:08,760
how many people thought it was just bad. You could

1678
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:11,600
argue about the Tradekacker the player option, sure, but I

1679
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:13,680
bet you if he hit the open market next summer

1680
01:19:14,399 --> 01:19:15,880
that I don't know if a team would have given

1681
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:18,119
him the max of four years and two hundred and

1682
01:19:18,159 --> 01:19:20,600
thirteen an outside team, I bet you he would have

1683
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:22,680
gotten like a four year, two hundred million dollar offer

1684
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:23,880
from somebody, I bet.

1685
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:27,119
Speaker 2: Like, I will say this the last year, the last

1686
01:19:27,159 --> 01:19:29,439
guaranteed year, because he has a player option twenty nine

1687
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:33,159
to twenty or twenty thirty, Like, yeah, if he picks

1688
01:19:33,239 --> 01:19:35,119
up the player option in the last two years, that

1689
01:19:35,279 --> 01:19:39,560
those they have a chance of being a little not bad.

1690
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:43,000
But like where you're thinking, oh, okay, that's probably a

1691
01:19:43,039 --> 01:19:45,039
little too rich for where he might be at that

1692
01:19:45,079 --> 01:19:47,399
point in time. But like you can just say that

1693
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:52,960
about what seventy eighty contracts currently in the NBA. So like,

1694
01:19:53,039 --> 01:19:55,880
I'm not just gonna sit there and go, oh, Mikhil

1695
01:19:55,960 --> 01:20:00,560
brig has got a horrible deal. It's gonna age Boortley, Like, no, yeah,

1696
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:04,640
do I love the last two years? No? I not

1697
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:07,680
necessarily do I have a problem with it? No, No,

1698
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:10,119
it's it's that is how business gets done.

1699
01:20:12,359 --> 01:20:16,720
Speaker 1: So Mitchell Robinson extension, He's basically could get like somewhere

1700
01:20:17,039 --> 01:20:19,920
as a max, like somewhere between eighty and ninety. Is

1701
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:21,960
there a number that you would be comfortable extending him

1702
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,520
at especially now that you know. I think part of

1703
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:26,800
the value of Michael Bridge's extension is, oh, we we

1704
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,880
have a number for him in twenty twenty six, So

1705
01:20:30,399 --> 01:20:32,720
they could as of right now, I think they depending

1706
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:34,479
on where the cap lands, they could be like twelve

1707
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:38,439
million bucks below the second apron. That's not including a

1708
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:40,319
Mitchell Robinson deal. And I think it's okay to go

1709
01:20:40,359 --> 01:20:42,720
in the second apron. You just can't live there. But

1710
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:46,600
is there a number that would make you be like, okay, yeah,

1711
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:48,399
that's extend. Would it have to be for the exact

1712
01:20:48,399 --> 01:20:50,720
same amount he's making this season, which is about thirteen million?

1713
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:52,359
Would you go a little higher? Are you looking at

1714
01:20:52,399 --> 01:20:54,800
the health question marks and just like.

1715
01:20:54,880 --> 01:21:00,680
Speaker 2: Go teen million straight flat rate over three years? So

1716
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:03,319
three years forty five I think that feels reasonable.

1717
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:07,039
Speaker 1: I mean, if he's wanting to take that, I if he's.

1718
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:09,840
Speaker 2: Not fair enough, like that's his progative, But like, given

1719
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:13,640
how much he's been injured, I think that's a fair offer.

1720
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:20,279
Speaker 1: I feel like it's would you say three for forty five? Right?

1721
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:21,359
Speaker 2: Three forty five?

1722
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a number I'm comfortble giving. I'm just wondering

1723
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:27,159
do you think he would accept that?

1724
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 2: Again, I don't know, but like, if we're being honest here,

1725
01:21:32,039 --> 01:21:34,479
you know, fifty nine games in twenty two, twenty three,

1726
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:37,840
thirty one games in twenty three, twenty four, seventeen games

1727
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:41,680
this last season. I mean, you have an argument on

1728
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:49,000
your side here in terms of offering that deal and saying, look, guy,

1729
01:21:49,199 --> 01:21:52,119
you played forty eight total regular season games over the

1730
01:21:52,159 --> 01:21:55,560
past two years. Like, let's let's meet half way, bud,

1731
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:58,600
come on, fifty million. That still gets your food on

1732
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:01,840
the table a year, any single year. That's not it's

1733
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:03,359
even a race crying out.

1734
01:22:04,199 --> 01:22:06,199
Speaker 1: I do think they probably have a better chance of

1735
01:22:06,239 --> 01:22:08,720
him maybe accepting a lower number if all the other

1736
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:12,159
bigs we've already talked about, like a Duran, a Mark Williams,

1737
01:22:12,399 --> 01:22:16,039
a Walker Kessler, end up not getting extensions because then

1738
01:22:16,079 --> 01:22:18,399
it's teams will have that have the money to go

1739
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:20,920
after Mitchell Robinson. Might I guess some of those guys

1740
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:22,880
would be more expensive. Where's Mitchell Robinson? You've view is

1741
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:25,359
a mid level type guy. But if they're gonna if

1742
01:22:25,359 --> 01:22:27,319
you're gonna get mid level money, you just offered it

1743
01:22:27,359 --> 01:22:28,439
at three for forty five.

1744
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,680
Speaker 2: So I'm really think there are teams out there who

1745
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:35,840
are gonna be looking at that same injury pattern and go,

1746
01:22:36,079 --> 01:22:40,159
oh yeah for eighty four ninety for Mitch.

1747
01:22:41,119 --> 01:22:43,039
Speaker 1: I mean if the teams that have cap space, probably not,

1748
01:22:43,159 --> 01:22:44,520
I mean, like some of the teams that have capsleans

1749
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:46,439
already have it, which I wouldn't put it past the Bulls.

1750
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:48,000
Could see them doing something like that.

1751
01:22:48,119 --> 01:22:50,880
Speaker 2: Oh you know what, that's smart for like for Mitch

1752
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:53,000
and this agent. That's just that should be a plan

1753
01:22:53,119 --> 01:22:56,039
for so many teams. Just all right, the bulls exist,

1754
01:22:56,239 --> 01:22:58,760
let's put that in our back pocket, and then let's

1755
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:01,399
go to negotiate with the that's.

1756
01:23:01,319 --> 01:23:03,920
Speaker 1: Noage with a good point would on more it's basically

1757
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:05,680
your deal. More like you get it done in average

1758
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:08,560
on your value of fifteen million. It's tradable. It's also

1759
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:11,279
then immediately, well not immediately, but like you would be

1760
01:23:11,279 --> 01:23:13,399
immediate because it's less than one hundred and twenty percent raise.

1761
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:16,159
I think so that would probably be an ideal outcome

1762
01:23:16,159 --> 01:23:19,479
for the Knicks. But I also wonder. My takeaway is

1763
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:22,560
that I don't think Robinson and Josh Hart are going

1764
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:26,399
to be on the team pass this season, So I'm

1765
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:30,520
curious if the Knicks would value having the flexibility of

1766
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:33,279
Mitchell Robinson being one good if he's healthy, but also

1767
01:23:33,279 --> 01:23:36,359
when expiring contract and trade talks this season and so

1768
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:38,560
are they just not in a rush to get it,

1769
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:40,399
Like even if he would accept three for forty five,

1770
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:42,279
do the Knicks sit there and say, what if we

1771
01:23:42,319 --> 01:23:44,640
have like a Robert Williams situation in our hands which

1772
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:48,159
is a borderline right, like transcendent defender. But he's just

1773
01:23:48,199 --> 01:23:50,399
not playing enough games for teams to view that deal,

1774
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:52,840
which is digestible as a value deal.

1775
01:23:54,119 --> 01:23:56,600
Speaker 2: I mean, if you went three forty five and you

1776
01:23:56,920 --> 01:24:00,960
somehow negotiated a team option into the third year, that

1777
01:24:01,279 --> 01:24:05,279
makes this the entire contract so much easier to pivot

1778
01:24:05,279 --> 01:24:08,920
off from. Well, at the same time, I think, to

1779
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:15,279
your point, moving him as an expiring contract, just what

1780
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:17,039
that is thirteen.

1781
01:24:17,079 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 1: Roughly forboirteen a little older.

1782
01:24:19,039 --> 01:24:21,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, to just get right off the cap next year,

1783
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:24,800
especially in a year where the cap is expected to

1784
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:29,239
increase by a smaller the amount than expected. Yeah, I

1785
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:32,479
don't hate that approach at all.

1786
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 1: I had wondered if you were the Boston Celtics and

1787
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:38,039
able to get off other money in the process, so

1788
01:24:38,079 --> 01:24:41,600
you need a third team if you were able to

1789
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:46,439
do something like Mitchell Robinson goes to Boston and then

1790
01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:50,520
Boston is getting off of George Niang and Sam Hauser.

1791
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:53,720
Is that something Boston considers. Yeah, you'd have to compensate

1792
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:55,359
a team to take on Niang.

1793
01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:58,279
Speaker 2: So that is a great way to sneak tank because

1794
01:24:58,319 --> 01:25:02,199
then Mitch plays like twenty two games. Yeah, right, and

1795
01:25:02,239 --> 01:25:05,319
they absolutely know I'm getting Yeah, if he's healthy and

1796
01:25:05,359 --> 01:25:08,920
if you want to be competitive, absolutely that's a smart way.

1797
01:25:09,079 --> 01:25:11,159
Speaker 1: If he's just different from the bigs they kind of

1798
01:25:11,159 --> 01:25:13,479
normally target though, Right, that's the that's.

1799
01:25:13,359 --> 01:25:15,479
Speaker 2: What might be Beggars can't be choosers, and at this

1800
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:17,560
point when it comes to centers and big men, the

1801
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:24,279
Celtics are absolutely beggars. You if Mitch gives you sixty

1802
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:31,079
five seventy games in a year, you're getting incredible value

1803
01:25:31,119 --> 01:25:34,000
for the money as well, even if it's an and

1804
01:25:34,159 --> 01:25:36,319
expiring and you may not even be able to retain

1805
01:25:36,399 --> 01:25:39,079
them afterwards. That's like for the Celtics, that's a win

1806
01:25:39,319 --> 01:25:39,720
and easy.

1807
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:41,640
Speaker 1: This is you just made me think that this is

1808
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:43,880
an extension that I think if it gets done, contrary

1809
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:46,119
to like Bridges or Tyler Hero or even a d

1810
01:25:46,199 --> 01:25:48,640
Aaron Fox. I know those are higher level players, but

1811
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:51,119
if it gets done, it feels like it's way more

1812
01:25:51,199 --> 01:25:54,199
likely to end up being team friendlier than not. Where

1813
01:25:54,279 --> 01:25:56,359
though some of those other ones could have downside this one,

1814
01:25:56,359 --> 01:25:59,960
it's you don't offer it, or like give him a

1815
01:26:00,119 --> 01:26:02,199
offer that is anything less than this is guaranteed to

1816
01:26:02,199 --> 01:26:02,880
be team friendly.

1817
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:03,560
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

1818
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:07,840
Speaker 1: Just the final quick question here their last veterans minimum,

1819
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:09,800
they've been tied to just a bunch of players. Is

1820
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:11,640
there either an archetype or a player that you like

1821
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:14,199
or you on board the Ben Simmons experiment. I would

1822
01:26:14,199 --> 01:26:17,000
be not on board with it because I think it

1823
01:26:17,119 --> 01:26:19,479
essentially means that Josh Hart is always going to be

1824
01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:22,279
playing with a non shooter on the court, whether it's

1825
01:26:22,319 --> 01:26:26,079
Robinson or Simmons. Good point and the number. I was

1826
01:26:26,079 --> 01:26:29,319
actually writing about this the other day, Josh Hart like

1827
01:26:29,399 --> 01:26:31,960
forty five percent of his shots came at the rim

1828
01:26:32,079 --> 01:26:34,960
when he played without Mitchell Robinson. Last year that dropped

1829
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:38,560
a twenty six point five percent or around there when

1830
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:41,560
Mitchell Robinson was like on the floor. So if you're

1831
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:45,000
just saying he's playing with another like detrimental non shooter

1832
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:48,760
like most of his minutes, you Negate a lot of

1833
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:50,760
what Josh Hart does the best, So I would rather

1834
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:53,479
see them get they only have the minimum, the Vets minimum.

1835
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:56,640
I would rather see them get a Malcolm Brogden and

1836
01:26:56,720 --> 01:27:00,319
a mere Coffee. A Chris Bouchet, of course, is Cody

1837
01:27:00,359 --> 01:27:02,800
Martin healthy. I would even be more okay, and I

1838
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:04,920
actually think Simmons still has some upside as a player.

1839
01:27:05,079 --> 01:27:06,760
I'd mean more okay of them just saying, you know what,

1840
01:27:07,359 --> 01:27:11,560
we're gonna sign Kevin mccullor Junior Diuara because they they

1841
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:13,439
can't afford to sign if they sign a veteran, they

1842
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:15,199
have to give it to sign someone who has zero

1843
01:27:15,279 --> 01:27:17,720
years of experience. So if you want mccullor Junior as

1844
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:20,319
like a guaranteed player, I'd rather see them do that,

1845
01:27:20,359 --> 01:27:22,720
because one, it signals, oh, they might play some young players.

1846
01:27:23,119 --> 01:27:26,920
But two, I just I think Ben Simmons again can

1847
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:29,079
do some things for them defensively, push the pace. But

1848
01:27:29,159 --> 01:27:31,840
unless you're planning on trading Josh Hart, I don't like

1849
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:33,960
the idea of Ben Simmons on this team.

1850
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 2: That's fair. I had actually not considered the Josh Hart

1851
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:42,720
Ben Simmons problem, which it would be. That's a fair shout,

1852
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:45,880
otherwise I'd actually been in on that, do we.

1853
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the minimum, so you can always say

1854
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:49,239
how many minutes is Ben Simmons gonna play? You can

1855
01:27:49,239 --> 01:27:50,960
get rid of them later. So I'm not saying Ben

1856
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:53,319
Simmons is coming in and they're deciding he's better than

1857
01:27:53,359 --> 01:27:55,720
Josh Hart. It's just well, if you're paying him with

1858
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:57,840
the intention to play a veteran ten to fifteen minutes

1859
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:00,560
a game, pencil in Robinson's and it's like, you're not

1860
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:02,720
gonna be able to stagger Josh Hart from both of

1861
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:04,279
those guys for most of his minutes.

1862
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 2: Is this Caleb Houston destination?

1863
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:12,119
Speaker 1: If the Knicks thought in those terms, I would love it,

1864
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:14,840
But there's They had an executive even say to Keith

1865
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:18,239
Smith of spow Track, like it's gonna be hard for

1866
01:28:18,279 --> 01:28:20,520
the young guys to crack our rotation. And so if

1867
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:24,159
they feel that way about Pocom, Dottie Tyler Kohlick, are

1868
01:28:24,199 --> 01:28:26,920
they gonna feel much differently about Caleb. I think they

1869
01:28:27,239 --> 01:28:30,720
their biggest need to me, it might be a ball

1870
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:32,279
handler they could trust.

1871
01:28:32,039 --> 01:28:35,079
Speaker 2: But I think it's just Morris.

1872
01:28:36,279 --> 01:28:38,399
Speaker 1: I'd rather see Brogda. I'd rather take this thing on

1873
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:42,319
Brogdam if they're gonna go guard, definitely not Russell Westbrook.

1874
01:28:42,319 --> 01:28:44,119
You run into a lot of the same Ben Simmons

1875
01:28:44,119 --> 01:28:46,479
stuff that we just talked about. But I love the

1876
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:48,399
Emir coffee. I just don't know if he's gonna go

1877
01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:51,279
for the for the minimum. So I love Caleb Houston.

1878
01:28:51,319 --> 01:28:55,000
I would ask Caleb Houston Cody Martin. H honestly Cody

1879
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:56,880
Martin if he was healthy, which he has not been.

1880
01:28:57,479 --> 01:28:57,600
Speaker 2: Uh.

1881
01:28:57,680 --> 01:28:59,600
Speaker 1: He blends the line of oh, that guy can do

1882
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:01,880
like a little things with the ball in his hand

1883
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:04,159
for other players, but he's also like he will defend

1884
01:29:04,159 --> 01:29:06,960
some wings. That might make the most sense. But I

1885
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,399
really think they probably need a wing more than a

1886
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:11,399
just because you can have heart and let's just give

1887
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:14,800
mchal Bridges and Ogiananobe more on ball touches. And but

1888
01:29:15,199 --> 01:29:16,560
I think you could also make the case they do

1889
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:19,359
need another backup ball handler here just they have Jordan Clarkson.

1890
01:29:19,399 --> 01:29:21,479
I had mentioned his name. He's just not much your

1891
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:23,920
three point shooter and he could be a defensive detriment.

1892
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:25,840
So if he's playing a bunch of minutes with Yabuseli,

1893
01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:28,119
I don't know what that looks like. I would advocate

1894
01:29:28,159 --> 01:29:30,880
for their final veterans minimum slot if they use it

1895
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:31,560
to go to a wing.

1896
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:34,079
Speaker 2: Though, Yeah, the.

1897
01:29:34,119 --> 01:29:37,680
Speaker 1: Orlando Magic mort they don't really have a lot to

1898
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:41,079
talk about other than do you think they're so let's

1899
01:29:41,119 --> 01:29:44,600
start here, they're within seven million dollars of ducking the tacks.

1900
01:29:45,119 --> 01:29:47,119
We agree that they're gonna duck the tacks at some

1901
01:29:47,199 --> 01:29:47,640
point this.

1902
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:51,600
Speaker 2: Year, right, Yes, that would seem very very likely.

1903
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:55,640
Speaker 1: Do you think they're gonna do it before the offseason

1904
01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:57,720
is over or is this something that'll just get done

1905
01:29:57,760 --> 01:29:59,119
in the middle of the season or even after the

1906
01:29:59,159 --> 01:29:59,960
regular season ends.

1907
01:30:01,399 --> 01:30:05,119
Speaker 2: Trade deadline seems like a reasonable point in time, because

1908
01:30:05,159 --> 01:30:07,520
then you have an idea of where you are as

1909
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:10,239
a basketball team. Like if the Magic comes out and

1910
01:30:10,279 --> 01:30:14,600
are just gamebusters, perhaps the need to get under the

1911
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:18,279
tax isn't quite so. Egreaches that he might even act

1912
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:21,920
as buyers to some extent at the trade dead line,

1913
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:24,199
to the extent that they can, because they won't have

1914
01:30:24,239 --> 01:30:28,079
a lot of flexibility. But no, if they're just like

1915
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:33,079
humming along that nicely, yeah, I mean you're looking at it.

1916
01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:36,439
I mean Jet Howard if he's not playing once again,

1917
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:40,359
which god damn it, Orlando, if that's the case, it's

1918
01:30:40,399 --> 01:30:43,079
going to be so upset, then yeah, he because he

1919
01:30:43,119 --> 01:30:45,640
gets you closer to getting under that. That could be

1920
01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:47,560
a guy coming out. We'll see.

1921
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:49,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, he gets some, he has some. So they are

1922
01:30:49,479 --> 01:30:51,760
five point six million under the tax. He makes five

1923
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:54,640
point five million. They would need to replace that roster

1924
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:57,800
spot though, So I honestly the name and he's if

1925
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:00,359
you're watching on YouTube was picture here is just I

1926
01:31:00,399 --> 01:31:02,680
think there'd be a team that would just take all

1927
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:05,279
of Gogo Batadz's money. And if you think Mo Wagner's

1928
01:31:05,319 --> 01:31:08,479
healthy and you paid Wendall Carter paid in quotes like

1929
01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:10,640
he's not even on that extension yet, he's so cheap

1930
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:13,239
still ten point nine million, and maybe if you want,

1931
01:31:13,239 --> 01:31:16,000
you have Jonathan Isaac Palvin Carroll could play some five

1932
01:31:16,119 --> 01:31:18,479
if you wanted it to. That's the name that I

1933
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:21,399
have circled. Even though he's valuable to just I think

1934
01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:23,560
someone would just take him into a trade exception or

1935
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:25,840
their non tax payer mid level, and then it's you

1936
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:27,800
duck the tax by doing that. You sign someone to

1937
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:28,920
a minimum and you're done.

1938
01:31:29,159 --> 01:31:30,920
Speaker 2: But you are you sure he's not gonna be your

1939
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:31,720
starting center?

1940
01:31:33,079 --> 01:31:36,279
Speaker 1: So what if are you saying Wendell Carter Junior is

1941
01:31:36,319 --> 01:31:37,159
not healthy.

1942
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:41,479
Speaker 2: I'm saying Wendell Carter Junior has not exactly been great

1943
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:46,239
as of late, including the year before last as well.

1944
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:49,319
Speaker 1: I think if you're so the at least, I'll say this,

1945
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:53,319
the idea of Wendell Carter Jr. Is way more important

1946
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:57,359
to actualizing the message that you tried to send this summer,

1947
01:31:57,399 --> 01:32:01,159
which is that spacing matters. Right, So if you're not,

1948
01:32:01,199 --> 01:32:03,640
if you're gonna turn around and you're gonna start go

1949
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:05,800
goo Batadze and then you're just shrinking the floor in

1950
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:10,119
another position while inserting Desmond Baine and again, I say

1951
01:32:10,119 --> 01:32:12,359
this what your rebuke could be. Wen Carter jniors to

1952
01:32:12,399 --> 01:32:15,520
two point three, like three point attempts per game last year.

1953
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:19,479
Speaker 2: That was like he that was an outlier. I'm very

1954
01:32:19,479 --> 01:32:22,119
aware that he was hurt. He didn't like that is

1955
01:32:22,319 --> 01:32:24,880
the optimizedertion of him was the version of him three

1956
01:32:25,079 --> 01:32:27,199
and four years ago, right, And that's what they're hoping

1957
01:32:27,239 --> 01:32:28,359
that they're gonna get back.

1958
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:31,560
Speaker 1: So I think go Goo Batase is a great like

1959
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:35,279
reserve big if if Orlando is starting him and Wendell

1960
01:32:35,279 --> 01:32:37,640
Carter Junior is healthy, there are two things I take

1961
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:39,760
away from that, what the hell is going on with

1962
01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:43,319
Wendow Carter Junior. But also do the magic get it yet?

1963
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:45,840
Because I've taken this offseason is assigned that. Okay, they

1964
01:32:46,199 --> 01:32:48,199
understand what they need and they're a little late on

1965
01:32:48,319 --> 01:32:50,920
doing it, but they did it in caps lock fashion

1966
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:54,239
at least with Tyas Jones and Desmond Bain. So you

1967
01:32:54,239 --> 01:32:56,840
can absolutely not start I'm sorry, if Wendell Carter Junior

1968
01:32:56,840 --> 01:32:59,000
is healthy, there's no way that I would rather start

1969
01:32:59,039 --> 01:33:02,039
Palo Bankaro at the then like put Go Goo Bata

1970
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:04,840
or Mo Wogner even who's not gonna be as much

1971
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:05,960
of a three point shooter either.

1972
01:33:08,199 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I look an optimized version of are

1973
01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:14,199
optimized that's the wrong word. A healthy window Carter Junior.

1974
01:33:15,039 --> 01:33:20,079
If we're seeing the play that we've seen from him before, Yeah,

1975
01:33:20,159 --> 01:33:23,239
I'm taking that and I'm pivoting off Go Go pretty easily.

1976
01:33:24,039 --> 01:33:27,279
But are you not concerned about the I don't want

1977
01:33:27,279 --> 01:33:29,560
to say lack of availability, but when it's the last

1978
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:34,800
time he's ever he's he's actually never cracked seventy games. Wow.

1979
01:33:35,159 --> 01:33:39,159
Last season, which we felt was like an injury riddled season,

1980
01:33:39,199 --> 01:33:41,800
that was actually the most games played.

1981
01:33:42,079 --> 01:33:43,880
Speaker 1: Oh no, I didn't think last year didn't seem like

1982
01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:46,119
injury riddled to me, he just had. He definitely had

1983
01:33:46,119 --> 01:33:48,399
a down year relative to what he was doing. But

1984
01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:50,439
you do raise a good point. And by the way,

1985
01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:52,800
I'm Mo Wagner. I'm aware he took more three pointers

1986
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:55,279
last year per game than well before. He he just

1987
01:33:55,319 --> 01:33:57,680
barely played before he got it or didn't play as

1988
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:00,439
much because he was injured. I just so, let's say

1989
01:34:00,439 --> 01:34:02,199
you get rid of Gogo Batadze, you're left with Wendell

1990
01:34:02,239 --> 01:34:06,399
Carter Junior, Isaac and Mo Wagner as your centers. Wagner

1991
01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:09,439
hasn't been injury prone, but he's coming off a major injury.

1992
01:34:10,039 --> 01:34:12,000
And then Wendell Carter Junior and Johathan Isaac are not

1993
01:34:12,039 --> 01:34:13,920
what you would call durable, so that would be the

1994
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:17,119
thing you'd run into. I think I would just bet on, Okay,

1995
01:34:17,239 --> 01:34:20,359
those three we will figure out a full center rotation

1996
01:34:20,439 --> 01:34:24,479
on any given night without Goga, and I think it's anyone.

1997
01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:27,199
I'm not advocating that team shouldn't pay the tax. I

1998
01:34:27,319 --> 01:34:29,399
just think when you've committed so much money to bane

1999
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:33,039
Palo and his extension kicks in Franz Jayeen Suggs. The

2000
01:34:33,159 --> 01:34:36,119
longer you can delay there a Peter clock from starting,

2001
01:34:36,119 --> 01:34:38,039
the better, And so that's why I bet on them

2002
01:34:38,119 --> 01:34:38,960
ducking the tacks.

2003
01:34:39,119 --> 01:34:40,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.

2004
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:44,199
Speaker 1: Is there a second player, it's just Jet Howard instead

2005
01:34:44,239 --> 01:34:46,439
of Gogo Batadze. The fact that would be a discussion

2006
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:48,960
is like pretty damning. I would probably if you told

2007
01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:51,760
me getting rid of Jet Howard dump ducks the tax

2008
01:34:52,079 --> 01:34:55,199
and you can keep Goga. Sure, but it doesn't, and

2009
01:34:55,239 --> 01:34:56,880
so like that's where and then so we're gonna have

2010
01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:58,840
to get rid of another player to just stuck the game.

2011
01:35:01,239 --> 01:35:03,399
Speaker 2: I also want to keep Jet around.

2012
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:05,479
Speaker 1: By the way he should have. I just can't believe.

2013
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:07,760
I know how they feel about defense. I just can't

2014
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:10,039
believe he hasn't gotten more of an extended look with

2015
01:35:10,079 --> 01:35:12,079
the big club a couple of nights.

2016
01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:16,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's honestly annoying. And I'm at that

2017
01:35:16,159 --> 01:35:18,359
point where I just want to save him. I want

2018
01:35:18,399 --> 01:35:22,159
someone to save him and just give him consistent minutes

2019
01:35:22,199 --> 01:35:26,000
for like three months, just twenty five minutes right off

2020
01:35:26,039 --> 01:35:28,159
the bat somewhere. Let's just see what you have.

2021
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:32,359
Speaker 1: Do you want to be a really good team for him?

2022
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:33,520
I think Detroit.

2023
01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:35,159
Speaker 2: Oh I like that.

2024
01:35:35,279 --> 01:35:37,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they would play him. I mean, he's

2025
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:40,960
not gonna like they have. They just drafted Chaslanier in

2026
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:43,760
the second round and Jamie Bickerstaff doesn't like to play youngsters,

2027
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:46,840
will play defense, YadA, ya YadA. They can insulate him defensively,

2028
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:50,439
and they just I know they got Duncan Robinson, but

2029
01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:54,279
you lost both Malik Beasley and Simoni Fontech kiyo, And

2030
01:35:54,359 --> 01:35:56,239
so that could be someone who comes in and maybe

2031
01:35:56,239 --> 01:35:57,239
you trust him to do that.

2032
01:35:58,199 --> 01:36:01,079
Speaker 2: The Atlanta would be fun too. They also feel like

2033
01:36:01,079 --> 01:36:02,399
they could use just one more wing.

2034
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:06,039
Speaker 1: Oh, that'd be interesting. Do you think they have the

2035
01:36:06,079 --> 01:36:09,279
defense of insulation to play both him and Trey at

2036
01:36:09,279 --> 01:36:10,039
the same time.

2037
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:13,119
Speaker 2: If Dyson Daniels is on the floor with them.

2038
01:36:13,039 --> 01:36:18,880
Speaker 1: Yes, fair, Yeah, there are Yeah, Jet Howard, I'm still

2039
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:21,039
intrigued by more So who are you won't treated by

2040
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:23,119
Jet Howard or Jordan.

2041
01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:25,680
Speaker 2: Hawkins Jet Howard easily?

2042
01:36:26,399 --> 01:36:28,760
Speaker 1: So my is that? Do you think are we falling

2043
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:30,880
victim to he's more of a mystery box because we've

2044
01:36:31,079 --> 01:36:32,560
seen more.

2045
01:36:33,079 --> 01:36:36,239
Speaker 2: Yes, no, I'm not even hiding that that is absolutely

2046
01:36:36,279 --> 01:36:36,720
the case.

2047
01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:42,680
Speaker 1: Yes, surprise, surprise the Sixers more what will Quentin Grimes

2048
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:43,439
get this is the.

2049
01:36:43,359 --> 01:36:45,359
Speaker 2: Final restricted free agency get money.

2050
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:46,960
Speaker 1: No, I think he'll get bitcoin.

2051
01:36:47,039 --> 01:36:49,880
Speaker 2: Fuck you, I think that's true. Oh he spends he's

2052
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:50,760
Spencer didn Winny.

2053
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:55,880
Speaker 1: Now, Spencer did Winny, Odell Beckham Junior. Yeah, take your pick.

2054
01:36:56,279 --> 01:36:57,640
How do you think it ends with him? We've gone

2055
01:36:57,680 --> 01:37:00,640
through Giddy, We've gone through cam Thomas. He seems like

2056
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:04,000
he's the by far of these three. He's the most

2057
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:06,199
intriguing to me just as a player.

2058
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:12,079
Speaker 2: Yep. Same, And it feels like everyone is talking about like, oh,

2059
01:37:12,119 --> 01:37:14,680
we would like him bad, like seventeen million a year,

2060
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:19,800
which I think would be a fantastic contract. I understand

2061
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:21,960
why he wants a lot, Like he came onto the

2062
01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:23,760
sixth or seine. He showed like I wrote about this

2063
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:27,319
recently over Force, like he showed you showed everyone that

2064
01:37:27,359 --> 01:37:30,279
he got he had way more on ball chops than

2065
01:37:30,359 --> 01:37:33,680
everyone kind of thought, like every NBA player is actually

2066
01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:36,800
better than you think he is, like every bit player

2067
01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:40,560
because like everyone seeing is kind of thinking, oh, Duncan

2068
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:43,000
Robinson the only thing he can shoot? Like, no, if

2069
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:45,000
you get him into like a pickup game at the

2070
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:49,399
local while the local why he tripled wr ass like

2071
01:37:49,439 --> 01:37:52,199
in a minute. Every single one of these guys are

2072
01:37:52,239 --> 01:37:57,079
are extremely good all around players. But I don't think

2073
01:37:57,119 --> 01:38:01,119
we understood the extent of how good Quentin Grimes was

2074
01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:04,359
on the ball and in terms of creating some three

2075
01:38:04,399 --> 01:38:08,600
point looks and just creating offense for himself. I love

2076
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:13,159
his game, love his game, and if the Sixers somehow

2077
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:16,359
get him back to deal that averages somewhere of between

2078
01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:20,600
like seventeen and twenty million a year, good lord, that's

2079
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:25,760
good business. I don't know what he'll get. I just

2080
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:27,520
don't have a good read on that situation.

2081
01:38:28,119 --> 01:38:30,000
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna end up getting a little bit

2082
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:32,640
more than the mid level. So like seventeen sounds about right,

2083
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:36,319
and what's interesting, I guess the context of the team

2084
01:38:36,359 --> 01:38:39,119
gets iffy, But just because of what we know about

2085
01:38:39,159 --> 01:38:41,960
the durability of Paul George and Joelle Embiid, I actually

2086
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:45,600
think he I'll aflaid. I want to make this clear.

2087
01:38:45,640 --> 01:38:47,880
I think Jonathan Camika is the most likely restricted free

2088
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:50,279
agent to take his qualifying offer. Same I actually think

2089
01:38:50,359 --> 01:38:53,520
Quentin Grimes is the one who has the strongest case

2090
01:38:53,560 --> 01:38:55,600
to do it, because I think more teams would be

2091
01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:58,159
interested in him next summer based off what he could

2092
01:38:58,199 --> 01:39:01,039
do defensively and just as a plug and play guard,

2093
01:39:01,359 --> 01:39:05,479
fringe wing type, and what you could push back and say, well,

2094
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:08,119
just like Jonathan Kaminga might see his role being consistent

2095
01:39:08,119 --> 01:39:10,680
with Golden State. Look at all this depth that Philly

2096
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:13,800
kind of has and all these on ball players. Someone's

2097
01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:17,000
get injured in Philly like or just gonna miss time.

2098
01:39:17,039 --> 01:39:19,039
We already Joelb's not gonna play back to backs and

2099
01:39:19,079 --> 01:39:22,319
Tyres Maxie can't create everything, and because of what he

2100
01:39:22,359 --> 01:39:26,359
could do defensively, you're gonna have him above Jared McCain

2101
01:39:26,399 --> 01:39:28,399
in the pecking order, I would think. So there is

2102
01:39:28,439 --> 01:39:31,520
some risk there, but I actually think he's the one

2103
01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:35,359
that has the highest upside and also the lowest risk

2104
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:37,000
if he signs his qualifying offer.

2105
01:39:37,279 --> 01:39:39,760
Speaker 2: I think that's a very good point. So what we

2106
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:42,079
took away from this is that Quentin Grime should take

2107
01:39:42,119 --> 01:39:42,960
the qualifying offer.

2108
01:39:44,399 --> 01:39:47,920
Speaker 1: If they're giving him, let's say, four years and sixty

2109
01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:50,359
eight million, I think he should probably just take it,

2110
01:39:50,399 --> 01:39:54,319
because ye it's when you're not It's just the whole

2111
01:39:54,359 --> 01:39:57,199
situation with free agents is so weird. Being an unrestricted

2112
01:39:57,279 --> 01:39:59,640
free agent certainly helps, but do you think, for if

2113
01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:01,560
it's for weren't sixty eight and they won't go any higher,

2114
01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:02,960
would you take it as him or would you roll

2115
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:04,119
the dice on the qualifying offer.

2116
01:40:04,199 --> 01:40:06,359
Speaker 2: I'm rolling the dice if I'm yeah.

2117
01:40:06,479 --> 01:40:09,720
Speaker 1: I think that's honestly, I think that that's the smart answer.

2118
01:40:10,079 --> 01:40:12,439
I gave you the safe answer. I think your answer

2119
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:14,359
was the smart answer, because my bet would be that

2120
01:40:14,399 --> 01:40:18,560
he gets more than four for sixty eight next year

2121
01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:23,399
in the open market. That would be my guess what

2122
01:40:23,399 --> 01:40:25,000
do you think? I think he ends up signing a

2123
01:40:25,039 --> 01:40:29,439
deal at least three years for seventeen million on average.

2124
01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:32,520
I would be surprised if he gets more than nineteen

2125
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:34,119
or twenty million on average, though.

2126
01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:38,199
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna split the difference a little bit.

2127
01:40:38,239 --> 01:40:41,119
It's gonna be a two year balloon deal. Two years forty.

2128
01:40:42,039 --> 01:40:45,560
Speaker 1: Ooh, that'd be interesting. And it seems like that would

2129
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:47,199
be a deal that was built to trade.

2130
01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:52,000
Speaker 2: M hm, yep, dude, we you know we've talked.

2131
01:40:52,039 --> 01:40:55,119
Speaker 1: Sorry, Kaminga is involved in like all these trade discussions

2132
01:40:55,119 --> 01:40:57,000
that could you see like any team coming in with

2133
01:40:57,039 --> 01:41:00,560
their traded player, except like, should Utah have interesting grimes

2134
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:02,000
and try and build a package with with.

2135
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:06,000
Speaker 2: Philly that way, Utah of all teams, Okay, well.

2136
01:41:05,880 --> 01:41:08,960
Speaker 1: They have like that massive like trait. I mean I think, yeah,

2137
01:41:09,119 --> 01:41:09,920
don't they still have?

2138
01:41:10,439 --> 01:41:13,600
Speaker 2: Yes? See Atlanta would be seeing. The thing about Grimes

2139
01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:16,800
is also he's not necessarily a young player. He's twenty five,

2140
01:41:17,439 --> 01:41:22,239
so he's approaching like the win now time of his career.

2141
01:41:24,319 --> 01:41:27,279
You have to like balance that out with the team

2142
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:32,640
like interested in him. So who is that team who's like, yeah,

2143
01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:36,359
we can use him. Oh, I have a fun one.

2144
01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:41,720
Although ah, well they have Austin Reeves, so the Lakers can.

2145
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:44,800
I would just like to see him next to Luca again,

2146
01:41:45,159 --> 01:41:49,239
but in this different framework where he isn't just the

2147
01:41:49,239 --> 01:41:52,159
spot up shooter that he was in Dallas, where Luca

2148
01:41:52,239 --> 01:41:55,399
is like, oh, you got more in the tank, like

2149
01:41:55,439 --> 01:41:58,279
you you have more than just being the spot up shooter.

2150
01:41:59,279 --> 01:42:01,760
I don't hate that, like Austin Reeves is stares that

2151
01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:03,720
that wasn't that's not a good one.

2152
01:42:05,039 --> 01:42:06,479
Speaker 1: I would love him in Atlanta if they have the

2153
01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:08,800
salary to structure to make it work. They don't when

2154
01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:10,199
they're close to the tacks and they just don't have

2155
01:42:10,239 --> 01:42:13,239
big salaries to trade other than Christops or Trey Young.

2156
01:42:13,399 --> 01:42:15,640
I kind of like Utah. I know they have Gianta

2157
01:42:15,720 --> 01:42:18,680
George and Isaiah Collier, but like Ace, Bailey's gonna do

2158
01:42:18,680 --> 01:42:20,479
a lot of the on ball work, so Quentin Grimes

2159
01:42:20,479 --> 01:42:22,680
can kind of blend what he does best there. And

2160
01:42:22,680 --> 01:42:26,279
they have two traded player exceptions of twenty five million

2161
01:42:26,319 --> 01:42:27,039
dollars or more.

2162
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:32,159
Speaker 2: Is there any fricking way we can get Grimes to

2163
01:42:32,319 --> 01:42:32,840
the thunder?

2164
01:42:34,479 --> 01:42:37,279
Speaker 1: No, he's gonna know. I mean, I don't know. Let

2165
01:42:37,279 --> 01:42:41,159
me correct myself. Yes there are ways, but at that point,

2166
01:42:41,159 --> 01:42:44,399
it's just like, what are how like? How much are

2167
01:42:44,399 --> 01:42:46,720
you paying? You like to pay his price point for

2168
01:42:46,760 --> 01:42:49,199
the minutes that he would end up playing for them,

2169
01:42:49,239 --> 01:42:50,359
though I don't care.

2170
01:42:50,439 --> 01:42:51,640
Speaker 2: That'd be dominant as hell.

2171
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:53,439
Speaker 1: I'd love that They're already dominant as hell.

2172
01:42:53,840 --> 01:42:57,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want more. It's also because I think they

2173
01:42:57,439 --> 01:42:59,800
still need shooting. We've talked about this, how I didn't

2174
01:42:59,800 --> 01:43:04,399
think they should go into this season and be somewhat complacented, Like,

2175
01:43:04,479 --> 01:43:10,520
I still think their offense needed some adjusting. Quentin Grimes

2176
01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:11,520
would save a lot of that.

2177
01:43:12,600 --> 01:43:13,960
Speaker 1: Quen Ars be fun in Denver.

2178
01:43:16,359 --> 01:43:19,319
Speaker 2: That's good, Okay, How what.

2179
01:43:19,640 --> 01:43:22,439
Speaker 1: I mean you're giving up? They don't have a first

2180
01:43:22,479 --> 01:43:24,680
round pick to trade in, like Philly's salary structure, they're

2181
01:43:24,680 --> 01:43:27,399
not gonna want like like Jonas Valan Judas and Zeke

2182
01:43:27,479 --> 01:43:31,800
Nagy for Quentin Grimes. When there's no first round pick attached. Yeah,

2183
01:43:32,199 --> 01:43:35,560
what about Yeah, Minnesota doesn't really have anything to work out,

2184
01:43:35,560 --> 01:43:39,560
would you. Yeah. I mean there's just he has so

2185
01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:41,479
few levers. So yeah, he'll be back in Philly. It

2186
01:43:41,479 --> 01:43:42,239
feels more likely.

2187
01:43:42,640 --> 01:43:44,720
Speaker 2: Let's revisit this come trade headline.

2188
01:43:45,119 --> 01:43:46,720
Speaker 1: You know what sucks too, is that two of the

2189
01:43:46,760 --> 01:43:49,000
teams that already gave up on him, Detroit and Dallas

2190
01:43:49,119 --> 01:43:51,840
or he would make some sense on too.

2191
01:43:53,039 --> 01:43:56,720
Speaker 2: The Detroit situation there with him never made sense, Like

2192
01:43:56,800 --> 01:43:58,520
how could you not at least see there was a

2193
01:43:58,560 --> 01:43:59,319
player in there.

2194
01:44:01,119 --> 01:44:03,079
Speaker 1: He had some knee stuff. But there's also he had

2195
01:44:03,079 --> 01:44:05,199
this in New York too. He was kind of grumbly

2196
01:44:05,239 --> 01:44:07,720
behind the scenes about his lack of on ball touches.

2197
01:44:08,039 --> 01:44:10,439
So I would assume it. I assume that might have

2198
01:44:10,479 --> 01:44:12,800
played a role into it, But also maybe they really

2199
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:16,720
wanted Tim Hardaway junior Michigan. Alum, that's not it. Yeah,

2200
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:21,319
So we move on to the Toronto Raptors. I don't

2201
01:44:21,439 --> 01:44:23,680
I mean, they're a team that fascinates me in both

2202
01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:26,680
good and bad ways. I don't know what their offseason

2203
01:44:26,920 --> 01:44:29,079
unless you think that there's a chance of RJ. Barrett's

2204
01:44:29,079 --> 01:44:32,600
going to get an extension, I don't really and Ochack Baji,

2205
01:44:32,640 --> 01:44:34,159
I think he should get an extension, but I didn't

2206
01:44:34,159 --> 01:44:37,880
want to pick another rookie scale guy. Does this team

2207
01:44:37,960 --> 01:44:40,439
need to reorient itself before seeing what they have on

2208
01:44:40,479 --> 01:44:42,920
the floor, You kind of know, like, let's wait and

2209
01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:45,399
see what's going on here before they make any further decision.

2210
01:44:45,479 --> 01:44:47,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I've made my opinion on this very very clear.

2211
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:50,159
I actually liked them coming into last year. Then they

2212
01:44:50,199 --> 01:44:53,319
got super injured, and then they weirdly traded for Brandon Ingram.

2213
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:55,720
Like they did have to do something with that Bruce

2214
01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:58,199
Brown contract, So I'm not against them doing something, but

2215
01:44:58,399 --> 01:45:02,439
Ingram specifically was a weird choice than the gaame Ingram

2216
01:45:02,439 --> 01:45:07,479
a race on an extension without having you know, while

2217
01:45:07,479 --> 01:45:09,239
he was gonna be an understood free agent, but like

2218
01:45:09,319 --> 01:45:11,640
they didn't know anything about like the fit here. So

2219
01:45:12,640 --> 01:45:15,680
they're loaded with wings, presumably something's got to go.

2220
01:45:16,319 --> 01:45:18,199
Speaker 1: They're over the tax too, which is just what were

2221
01:45:18,239 --> 01:45:22,000
little duck they're like million over that's without filling out. No,

2222
01:45:22,079 --> 01:45:23,960
they have four where they have how many players are

2223
01:45:23,960 --> 01:45:25,520
on their roster? Oh no, they have fifteen spots. So

2224
01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:27,159
that's fine. No'll ducket. That's not right.

2225
01:45:27,439 --> 01:45:31,800
Speaker 2: And Colin mury Boyle's a player I just adore got

2226
01:45:31,880 --> 01:45:35,319
drafted in some possibly the worst situation for him, precisely

2227
01:45:35,359 --> 01:45:38,000
because they have the three wings that have to play

2228
01:45:38,039 --> 01:45:40,119
out of position and like you're gonna have to play

2229
01:45:40,159 --> 01:45:46,520
Scottie Barnes a ton at the four. I just don't

2230
01:45:46,600 --> 01:45:51,680
know what this roster is. I think it's it seems unfinished.

2231
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:55,159
It seems like it's like in a stage of something

2232
01:45:55,239 --> 01:45:58,239
and we're just kind of waiting for something to happen.

2233
01:45:58,680 --> 01:45:59,920
So everything is kind of more.

2234
01:46:01,239 --> 01:46:04,720
Speaker 1: Which, by the way, you get rid of messi u

2235
01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:09,439
jiy and right, and so the optics of that are bad.

2236
01:46:09,439 --> 01:46:11,760
There's obviously things brewing behind the scenes. Further, but what

2237
01:46:11,960 --> 01:46:14,760
was the this The fact that nothing else has happened

2238
01:46:15,159 --> 01:46:18,239
leads me to question what was the actual catalyst behind it?

2239
01:46:18,319 --> 01:46:21,880
Was it money power? Because if it was his vision,

2240
01:46:22,119 --> 01:46:24,680
if you claim he didn't deliver, what have you done

2241
01:46:25,239 --> 01:46:28,399
to pivot away from said vision? You've done absolutely.

2242
01:46:27,880 --> 01:46:31,439
Speaker 2: Nothing, right right, that's a good point.

2243
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:37,039
Speaker 1: I think I'm so intrigued. Maybe it's morbid curiosity that

2244
01:46:37,279 --> 01:46:39,640
like with this roster, I could see them just saying,

2245
01:46:39,680 --> 01:46:41,439
let's see what we have before we make any moves.

2246
01:46:41,479 --> 01:46:43,479
But I really think they need just they have so

2247
01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:46,840
many bigs who don't shoot, like they need to be

2248
01:46:46,840 --> 01:46:49,119
the du operation team. I'd like, just get someone in here,

2249
01:46:49,439 --> 01:46:53,520
or bring Chris muche back for crime. Just get someone

2250
01:46:53,720 --> 01:46:57,319
in here who can potentially provide some floor spacing at

2251
01:46:57,319 --> 01:47:00,000
the four slash five on a consistent basis. It could

2252
01:47:00,159 --> 01:47:02,399
be a shot in the dark. But please, for the

2253
01:47:02,439 --> 01:47:04,840
love of everything, take that shot in the dark.

2254
01:47:05,199 --> 01:47:08,159
Speaker 2: I interest you in a slightly used in Kola Busevich.

2255
01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:11,920
Speaker 1: Ooh, what's that trade look like? Because they already have

2256
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:14,600
Yaka Pearl, so you're just paying forty million bucks for

2257
01:47:14,680 --> 01:47:18,359
vouch and y'ah. First of all, Yaka Pearl is gonna

2258
01:47:18,359 --> 01:47:21,680
get a statue in Toronto. I'm assuming at this point.

2259
01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:23,880
Speaker 2: They love him, so they it might not be that

2260
01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:26,079
guy coming back. I don't know. Maybe it's a larger

2261
01:47:26,119 --> 01:47:28,439
framework with RJ. Barrett going to Chicago.

2262
01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:33,079
Speaker 1: I don't honestly, RJ Barrett for Vouch and Iodsunmu. Should

2263
01:47:33,079 --> 01:47:34,560
the Bulls take a flyer on that or would the

2264
01:47:34,640 --> 01:47:34,960
raft thing?

2265
01:47:35,159 --> 01:47:38,199
Speaker 2: You've pitched that exact trade at one point, actually.

2266
01:47:38,479 --> 01:47:39,399
Speaker 1: Oh have I I don't know.

2267
01:47:39,439 --> 01:47:41,760
Speaker 2: I think you don't think you have because that rings

2268
01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:43,520
a bell and I think we both liked it.

2269
01:47:44,840 --> 01:47:47,119
Speaker 1: Do it well, Isaaca Corals now in Chicago and you've

2270
01:47:47,159 --> 01:47:49,119
Josh Giddy. I don't really love Barrett's fit there. I

2271
01:47:49,119 --> 01:47:51,199
also feel bad putting him on the Balls.

2272
01:47:51,359 --> 01:47:54,720
Speaker 2: I feel bad about everyone getting drafted or assigned to

2273
01:47:54,720 --> 01:47:55,760
the Bulls. It's all bad.

2274
01:47:56,199 --> 01:47:58,439
Speaker 1: It is. So you have RJ under contract for a

2275
01:47:58,439 --> 01:48:01,000
couple more years, higher upside than to suem Mo Revooch.

2276
01:48:01,039 --> 01:48:03,319
So I think you can easily justify it from Chicago's

2277
01:48:03,319 --> 01:48:04,840
and knowing that dis Soon was going to be a

2278
01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:07,880
free agent. But I don't know, man, the idea of

2279
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:10,439
just having a Coro and Giddy and Barren on the

2280
01:48:10,439 --> 01:48:10,920
same team.

2281
01:48:11,199 --> 01:48:14,119
Speaker 2: Honestly, I just want to know how you get Sanely

2282
01:48:14,199 --> 01:48:16,159
and Caulinmary Bulls on the floor. That's what I need

2283
01:48:16,199 --> 01:48:18,279
to know. I need to get those two minutes and

2284
01:48:18,359 --> 01:48:20,760
I and if they don't get minutes, I'm going to

2285
01:48:20,840 --> 01:48:21,279
be pissed.

2286
01:48:22,119 --> 01:48:26,640
Speaker 1: Do we trust because I didn't mention mais Vivili? Do

2287
01:48:26,760 --> 01:48:28,760
we trust that he can be the guy that just

2288
01:48:29,079 --> 01:48:31,520
like plays actual minutes and gets up more threes than

2289
01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:32,239
we've seen him take?

2290
01:48:32,319 --> 01:48:34,279
Speaker 2: Yeah? I trust.

2291
01:48:35,159 --> 01:48:36,960
Speaker 1: Maybe they could just let it ride if the if

2292
01:48:37,039 --> 01:48:40,359
the plan is to actually play him, then maybe you

2293
01:48:40,479 --> 01:48:40,920
just want.

2294
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:44,640
Speaker 2: To some team needs to eventually. I'm getting very really

2295
01:48:44,680 --> 01:48:49,239
tired of this. Like I played literally story mis Johnson

2296
01:48:49,319 --> 01:48:53,079
in Paris in January, like why is this dude not

2297
01:48:53,159 --> 01:48:53,960
playing anymore?

2298
01:48:54,560 --> 01:48:54,920
Speaker 1: Uh?

2299
01:48:54,960 --> 01:48:57,640
Speaker 2: And he was like he was. He was being very polite,

2300
01:48:57,680 --> 01:48:59,680
but he was like, well, we like how he stays ready,

2301
01:48:59,680 --> 01:49:02,479
which is always an answer for he's just not playing.

2302
01:49:02,520 --> 01:49:05,720
And I needed to know why he's too good free

2303
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:07,880
mamu for I.

2304
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:10,079
Speaker 1: Mean he was, he's on the Raptors now he is,

2305
01:49:10,520 --> 01:49:13,840
he is in theory free. If you're gonna play him,

2306
01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:15,399
I guess you just let it ride. I still would

2307
01:49:15,479 --> 01:49:19,640
like to see Chris Bouchet brought back as another well

2308
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:22,199
you know, but doesn't as another potential floor space or

2309
01:49:22,239 --> 01:49:23,760
I just don't know who do you want to boot

2310
01:49:24,359 --> 01:49:25,199
from this roster?

2311
01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:27,119
Speaker 2: Have you seen the movie The Prestige?

2312
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:28,039
Speaker 1: Yes?

2313
01:49:28,479 --> 01:49:31,680
Speaker 2: All right, so you remember that machine that that just

2314
01:49:31,880 --> 01:49:35,560
copies every single person, all all the Hugh Jackman characters,

2315
01:49:35,920 --> 01:49:40,039
They just keep getting copied. You want that for Chris Bouchet,

2316
01:49:40,119 --> 01:49:42,239
just for your damn self, that's what you want. You

2317
01:49:42,279 --> 01:49:44,960
want you want to be consistently surrounded by Chris Bouget.

2318
01:49:45,039 --> 01:49:48,279
You want Chris Bouche on every single goddamn roster in

2319
01:49:48,319 --> 01:49:48,920
this league.

2320
01:49:49,199 --> 01:49:52,479
Speaker 1: Just honestly, if I wasn't so determined to put another

2321
01:49:52,520 --> 01:49:54,520
wing on the Knicks, I would be advocating, like hell

2322
01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:56,079
for them beside him, and I still kind of hope

2323
01:49:56,079 --> 01:49:56,359
they do.

2324
01:49:56,640 --> 01:49:59,800
Speaker 2: But this is my shocked face. Yes, I would prefer.

2325
01:49:59,560 --> 01:50:01,760
Speaker 1: To see him go somewhere. I know he'll play a

2326
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:03,960
bunch and I don't know if that's even Toronto anymore.

2327
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:08,319
Because you have no that's oh what is your What

2328
01:50:08,319 --> 01:50:09,800
do you have against Chris Bouchet?

2329
01:50:09,920 --> 01:50:13,319
Speaker 2: I no, no, No, I like Chris Busche, I have

2330
01:50:13,399 --> 01:50:17,000
something against you. No. I actually don't have something against

2331
01:50:17,039 --> 01:50:19,840
your eternal obtimism about it. I just need to see

2332
01:50:20,119 --> 01:50:24,039
the vision, like I need to understand what it is.

2333
01:50:24,399 --> 01:50:29,520
Does he have something on you? Mister Favalley has his

2334
01:50:29,720 --> 01:50:30,520
age and reached out.

2335
01:50:31,079 --> 01:50:33,520
Speaker 1: He has he has on me? He has his heart

2336
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:36,960
and he has my heart. That's what That's what's happening here.

2337
01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:38,880
Speaker 2: Okay, God damn it. That was sweet, fair enough.

2338
01:50:39,119 --> 01:50:41,239
Speaker 1: I think, Look, I think it'd be nice to have

2339
01:50:41,279 --> 01:50:43,039
someone other than mom who could stretch the floor at

2340
01:50:43,039 --> 01:50:45,840
that four or five spot. But I just don't maybe

2341
01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:47,960
get rid of Jamison Battle. I know he showed some

2342
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:50,439
signs as a shooter last year. We know Garrett Temple's

2343
01:50:50,479 --> 01:50:53,239
like not gonna leave. So if there's an Arjae Barrett

2344
01:50:53,239 --> 01:50:55,279
trade where you somehow wind up with a roster spot,

2345
01:50:55,319 --> 01:50:57,840
although that seems unlikely at the moment, I would like

2346
01:50:57,880 --> 01:51:00,000
to see them do that. But I think this team

2347
01:51:00,159 --> 01:51:01,920
does have a lot of just oh these are these

2348
01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:04,680
are NBA players, so they're probably in wait and see mode.

2349
01:51:04,680 --> 01:51:07,399
But we know they're gonna duct attacks eventually. And when

2350
01:51:07,439 --> 01:51:10,479
they do, whether it's his offseason or during the season,

2351
01:51:10,680 --> 01:51:13,000
I hope they add some stretch to the front court.

2352
01:51:13,159 --> 01:51:15,560
Or MoMu what did he How many years ago was

2353
01:51:15,560 --> 01:51:18,039
it when MoMu played that glorious stretch whereas like twenty

2354
01:51:18,079 --> 01:51:19,800
something games with the Spurs and he was playing like

2355
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:22,439
twenty plus minutes per game or was that four years ago,

2356
01:51:22,479 --> 01:51:26,479
three years ago, two years ago. Thing, right, that was

2357
01:51:28,079 --> 01:51:30,359
it wasn't last season. It definitely wasn't the season before.

2358
01:51:30,479 --> 01:51:32,119
So twenty twenty two wasn't it?

2359
01:51:32,760 --> 01:51:33,119
Speaker 2: Okay?

2360
01:51:33,560 --> 01:51:35,680
Speaker 1: Yeah? Double yeah? So he was with the Spurs. Yeah,

2361
01:51:35,840 --> 01:51:37,079
oh that was twenty.

2362
01:51:36,880 --> 01:51:39,880
Speaker 2: Two three year yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

2363
01:51:39,720 --> 01:51:43,479
Speaker 1: Yep, glorious. He got to play twenty three point three

2364
01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:45,760
minutes per game in nineteen games with the Spurs.

2365
01:51:47,119 --> 01:51:50,079
Speaker 2: So I was seven trade from Milwaukee. Yeah.

2366
01:51:51,039 --> 01:51:53,920
Speaker 1: So they the Raptors have their answer at the five trade.

2367
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:57,600
They should after extending Perol, they should wave him. I'm

2368
01:51:57,600 --> 01:52:00,119
excited about Johnson Mogo, but I just I hate is

2369
01:52:00,159 --> 01:52:02,439
fit on this roster. It's like a Cala Murray Boyles

2370
01:52:02,479 --> 01:52:05,640
situation here. So do you have anything else on them?

2371
01:52:05,960 --> 01:52:06,319
Speaker 2: I do not.

2372
01:52:07,319 --> 01:52:11,399
Speaker 1: We move on to the final team, the Washington Wizards.

2373
01:52:11,720 --> 01:52:14,920
I don't like. I like. I think they're solid, offseason,

2374
01:52:15,000 --> 01:52:18,680
solid draft. My two things with them, let's start here.

2375
01:52:18,720 --> 01:52:20,880
Are you fine with the center position with the Tristan

2376
01:52:20,960 --> 01:52:23,479
Vuksovich and you have Marvin Bagley and then you have

2377
01:52:23,680 --> 01:52:26,039
Alex arr Are you okay with them sitting that way?

2378
01:52:26,119 --> 01:52:27,279
Or do you think it'd be nice to have like

2379
01:52:27,319 --> 01:52:29,560
maybe more of a veteran guy in there who's not Badley.

2380
01:52:30,159 --> 01:52:33,520
Speaker 2: I wouldn't hate one more center, primarily because Sar has

2381
01:52:33,560 --> 01:52:36,680
been very vocal about wanting to play the four. So like,

2382
01:52:36,840 --> 01:52:38,279
all right, if that's like.

2383
01:52:38,520 --> 01:52:40,680
Speaker 1: It was his favorite player, Anthony Davis growing up, do

2384
01:52:40,720 --> 01:52:41,000
we know?

2385
01:52:41,279 --> 01:52:44,479
Speaker 2: I know? And you know what actually scratched that if

2386
01:52:44,520 --> 01:52:46,399
you kind of forced me into the center spot and

2387
01:52:46,439 --> 01:52:49,119
you basically left them out, don't become the next well

2388
01:52:49,199 --> 01:52:50,880
you want to be. You wanted to become the next

2389
01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:54,600
Anthony Davis from a skill perspective, but not from like

2390
01:52:54,680 --> 01:52:58,680
the weird I need to be a four ideology. That's

2391
01:52:58,760 --> 01:53:03,279
just bad. But maybe you just show him, horn him

2392
01:53:03,279 --> 01:53:06,680
in as the center and say live with it. Fine,

2393
01:53:07,680 --> 01:53:12,439
But yeah, assuming they want to appease him and play

2394
01:53:12,479 --> 01:53:14,920
him more so forward, Yeah, they're probably gonna need a center.

2395
01:53:15,279 --> 01:53:17,800
What are they? Should they be in a rush? I

2396
01:53:17,960 --> 01:53:20,000
don't think so. I mean, they're not trying to win

2397
01:53:20,119 --> 01:53:21,479
right now, they're trying to develop it.

2398
01:53:21,640 --> 01:53:26,279
Speaker 1: If anything, I think I'm probably. I mean, it's also

2399
01:53:26,399 --> 01:53:28,560
just they don't have roster spots at the moment, I guess,

2400
01:53:28,640 --> 01:53:30,479
which would leave you my second question. I'm kind of

2401
01:53:30,479 --> 01:53:33,760
intrigued by Vuksovich, and I say that without being like ironic,

2402
01:53:33,960 --> 01:53:38,560
that provide some stretch there. But my question to you

2403
01:53:38,680 --> 01:53:41,520
is because all their roster spots are taken up right now,

2404
01:53:41,840 --> 01:53:44,119
and they do have sort of a ton of guard

2405
01:53:44,239 --> 01:53:48,960
types or even just perimeter types, like after getting Dylan Jones,

2406
01:53:49,000 --> 01:53:51,560
and as of now, Malachi Brandam is still on this roster.

2407
01:53:51,600 --> 01:53:54,319
And of course you have bub Carrington, you have Will Riley.

2408
01:53:54,439 --> 01:53:56,359
A J. Johnson did something for them last year, There's

2409
01:53:56,399 --> 01:53:59,399
Keshan George. Would there be any benefit they already bought

2410
01:53:59,399 --> 01:54:01,880
out Marcus Art Is there any benefit to doing the

2411
01:54:01,920 --> 01:54:04,279
same with one of CJ. McCollum or Chris Middleton, or

2412
01:54:04,279 --> 01:54:06,239
you're trying to hold onto both of them and reboot

2413
01:54:06,439 --> 01:54:09,439
some of the value or use them as mentors mentors.

2414
01:54:09,520 --> 01:54:12,680
Speaker 2: That's why I actually hated they bought out Marcus Smart,

2415
01:54:12,680 --> 01:54:15,920
but he actively wanted out of that situation, so they

2416
01:54:15,920 --> 01:54:19,439
did right by him. Thus they courage favored with some agents.

2417
01:54:19,479 --> 01:54:20,239
That's never a better.

2418
01:54:20,319 --> 01:54:23,399
Speaker 1: That's so kind of proof that expiring contracts aren't what

2419
01:54:23,439 --> 01:54:25,199
they used to be. Just like it seems like you

2420
01:54:25,239 --> 01:54:27,399
wouldn't normally see a buyout like that in the off

2421
01:54:27,399 --> 01:54:28,920
season ditto with DeAndre Ayton.

2422
01:54:29,439 --> 01:54:34,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, and again with the with the rules of

2423
01:54:35,159 --> 01:54:37,560
not being able to sign guys if you're over the

2424
01:54:37,600 --> 01:54:40,439
second apron, it's a guy or is that even the

2425
01:54:40,439 --> 01:54:41,960
first a print as well? I don't remember.

2426
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:43,479
Speaker 1: Well, in the off season, it doesn't matter.

2427
01:54:43,760 --> 01:54:46,000
Speaker 2: So that's the that's the point. That's the yeah, because

2428
01:54:46,199 --> 01:54:48,880
since you can't do that in the regular season, now

2429
01:54:48,920 --> 01:54:51,199
you've got to get that business out of the way earlier.

2430
01:54:52,319 --> 01:54:54,960
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a great point. So yeah, it's maybe not

2431
01:54:55,000 --> 01:54:57,239
a comment on expiring contracts as much as it is

2432
01:54:57,760 --> 01:54:59,000
the era of aprons.

2433
01:54:59,439 --> 01:55:03,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, except so I would not buy out Chris or CJ.

2434
01:55:04,359 --> 01:55:07,640
Great mentors like those like I think you and I

2435
01:55:07,640 --> 01:55:10,079
have both heard the same things that those guys are

2436
01:55:10,159 --> 01:55:14,319
great locker room guys, great leaders. That is the right

2437
01:55:14,439 --> 01:55:17,000
way to establish a culture. That is the right way

2438
01:55:17,039 --> 01:55:21,479
to establish something, you know, a not a track record,

2439
01:55:21,520 --> 01:55:25,640
what's the word. I'm looking for a new beginning for

2440
01:55:25,720 --> 01:55:28,640
young players, just in terms of understanding what it takes

2441
01:55:28,640 --> 01:55:32,119
to be a successful NBA guy like Middleton, former All Star.

2442
01:55:32,199 --> 01:55:34,880
I don't think McCollum ever made an All Star team,

2443
01:55:34,920 --> 01:55:39,159
but he was freaking close. So like the high caliber players.

2444
01:55:39,680 --> 01:55:42,000
They can tell those guys, look, if you want to

2445
01:55:42,039 --> 01:55:45,600
stick around for twelve fifteen years, this is the recipe.

2446
01:55:45,840 --> 01:55:47,800
This is how you get it done. They're going to

2447
01:55:47,840 --> 01:55:51,439
act as extended arms of the coaching staffs on the

2448
01:55:51,520 --> 01:55:54,279
floor in the games. You can never put a price

2449
01:55:54,319 --> 01:55:58,640
tag on that. That's invaluable. So I just love the

2450
01:55:58,720 --> 01:56:02,800
process over from the Wizards here. I'm not sitting here

2451
01:56:02,840 --> 01:56:05,760
and saying the results are automatically gonna be there. Like

2452
01:56:05,880 --> 01:56:09,359
I have question marks. Is Trey Johnson the next Jordan Hawkins?

2453
01:56:09,439 --> 01:56:11,479
Is he the next Ray Allen? That's a legit question,

2454
01:56:11,600 --> 01:56:15,199
like he can fall anywhere between that. Like Alex Sar,

2455
01:56:15,560 --> 01:56:18,640
we still don't know fully what the hell he is

2456
01:56:19,920 --> 01:56:23,479
also a guy who needs more time. Bob Carrington. Still

2457
01:56:23,800 --> 01:56:28,039
question marks. But the process of having those guys and

2458
01:56:28,079 --> 01:56:34,600
buying low on Cam Whitmore, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Cam Whitmore,

2459
01:56:34,600 --> 01:56:37,159
who apparently, according to me, will average twenty three points

2460
01:56:37,159 --> 01:56:42,800
per game this coming season, book it. Yeah, it's I

2461
01:56:43,119 --> 01:56:44,199
just I just yeah.

2462
01:56:44,279 --> 01:56:46,560
Speaker 1: I think what's tough is one of the like one

2463
01:56:46,640 --> 01:56:48,239
or both of those guys isn't going to finish the

2464
01:56:48,239 --> 01:56:51,760
season in Washington. But that also would then mean they

2465
01:56:51,800 --> 01:56:53,880
might have been the vehicle through which the Wizards got

2466
01:56:53,880 --> 01:56:55,920
more assets by taking on salary, which is what they

2467
01:56:55,920 --> 01:56:58,039
did at the trade deadline like that. I mean they

2468
01:56:58,079 --> 01:57:00,600
did it twice last year. They did it with Marcus Art.

2469
01:57:01,439 --> 01:57:03,479
They got that pick and then they got value from

2470
01:57:03,520 --> 01:57:06,560
the Bucks as part of Kya Kuzma trades. That wasn't

2471
01:57:06,680 --> 01:57:08,560
that was that was like a salary dump on their part.

2472
01:57:08,560 --> 01:57:10,920
But it's a salary dump on the Bucks part. It's

2473
01:57:11,039 --> 01:57:13,159
just so, yeah, I'm with you, and if they I

2474
01:57:13,199 --> 01:57:14,840
think it helps that if they really want to create

2475
01:57:14,840 --> 01:57:17,960
a roster spot, Malachi Brandam is someone that you could

2476
01:57:17,960 --> 01:57:20,279
trade like the five million dollar salary for another player

2477
01:57:20,359 --> 01:57:20,880
or just wave.

2478
01:57:20,920 --> 01:57:24,319
Speaker 2: Here you go, NBA team take Malachi Brandam. That should

2479
01:57:24,319 --> 01:57:24,800
be doable.

2480
01:57:25,640 --> 01:57:28,319
Speaker 1: Well no, I meant more so if it's if you

2481
01:57:28,399 --> 01:57:30,800
need to sign somebody, you wave him. But if you're

2482
01:57:30,840 --> 01:57:32,800
if it's a trade like that's a five million dollar

2483
01:57:33,119 --> 01:57:35,319
you could save a team money because of how far

2484
01:57:35,439 --> 01:57:37,720
beneath the tacks they are right now.

2485
01:57:37,720 --> 01:57:42,119
Speaker 2: So there's like a typ just like the nets for something.

2486
01:57:42,479 --> 01:57:47,359
Speaker 1: Just uh yeah. But I'm saying so if if they

2487
01:57:47,399 --> 01:57:49,800
didn't have another person who felt like an obvious oh,

2488
01:57:49,800 --> 01:57:51,640
we could get rid of this roster spot. I might

2489
01:57:51,720 --> 01:57:54,159
just I would wonder, but I am a big believer

2490
01:57:54,199 --> 01:57:56,279
in like, Okay, you have these two high character guys around,

2491
01:57:56,319 --> 01:58:00,880
and they're also probably more so. CJ. Mccollumy so much money.

2492
01:58:00,920 --> 01:58:03,359
I'd be surprised if he's well, they're both in the thirties.

2493
01:58:03,840 --> 01:58:05,880
But these are like Chris Middleton to me, I'm still

2494
01:58:05,880 --> 01:58:07,560
a sucker for to where it's all. I could see

2495
01:58:07,600 --> 01:58:10,119
him a team really wanting him with the deadline, so

2496
01:58:10,680 --> 01:58:14,079
they could still have value. But I would have thought

2497
01:58:14,079 --> 01:58:15,960
that if you made me pick between who would have

2498
01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:18,760
been easier to trade between Smart or McCollum, I would

2499
01:58:18,800 --> 01:58:21,279
have picked Smart. And yet he's gone. So I don't

2500
01:58:21,319 --> 01:58:24,800
think they need to by any stretch. But I'm curious

2501
01:58:24,840 --> 01:58:27,600
to see this deviates from the topic. Just what does

2502
01:58:27,640 --> 01:58:28,920
this mean for the rest of the season. Do they

2503
01:58:29,000 --> 01:58:30,600
just want those guys coming off the books you get

2504
01:58:30,600 --> 01:58:33,479
a full year of that mentorship, or is this a

2505
01:58:33,560 --> 01:58:36,119
situation they look at buyouts after the trade deadline if

2506
01:58:36,159 --> 01:58:38,439
they can't move them.

2507
01:58:38,520 --> 01:58:41,319
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be shocked if it's the mentorship for a

2508
01:58:41,319 --> 01:58:44,680
full year. Don't underestimate just how much that means to

2509
01:58:44,840 --> 01:58:48,960
have that consistent presence throughout an NBA calendar year.

2510
01:58:49,279 --> 01:58:51,920
Speaker 1: I could so see that from the Wizard's perspective. But

2511
01:58:51,960 --> 01:58:54,720
if you're Middleton or CJ. McCollum, and especially if you're not,

2512
01:58:54,840 --> 01:58:57,399
like which do you expect both of them to play

2513
01:58:57,439 --> 01:58:57,760
A ton?

2514
01:58:59,079 --> 01:59:02,119
Speaker 2: I expect to play a ton? Is a different like

2515
01:59:02,159 --> 01:59:06,359
what is that categorization? I mean Middleton, we know that

2516
01:59:06,439 --> 01:59:09,920
he physically is probably best suited for around twenty minutes

2517
01:59:09,920 --> 01:59:12,239
per game now right, Like we know he can't handle

2518
01:59:12,279 --> 01:59:16,079
forty forty five minutes anymore, but Colum probably can handle

2519
01:59:16,119 --> 01:59:20,479
more minutes. I don't know the answer to that, honestly.

2520
01:59:20,600 --> 01:59:22,720
But I also think that those two guys who are

2521
01:59:22,760 --> 01:59:24,039
not gonna make a fuss.

2522
01:59:24,840 --> 01:59:27,279
Speaker 1: That's interesting because I would just wonder. And the Wizards,

2523
01:59:27,279 --> 01:59:30,199
I don't think are gonna need to like Tank. I

2524
01:59:30,199 --> 01:59:34,560
think they'll be organically bad. Yeah, But if you're CJ. McCollum,

2525
01:59:34,600 --> 01:59:37,239
if you're Chris Middleton and you're healthy, you're not playing

2526
01:59:37,239 --> 01:59:40,399
a bunch of minutes the team's not winning. Are they

2527
01:59:40,439 --> 01:59:42,680
at the point in their career where they're content to

2528
01:59:42,880 --> 01:59:45,039
just spend this entire season being that?

2529
01:59:45,720 --> 01:59:50,119
Speaker 2: I mean the collectively collectively have sixty three million reasons

2530
01:59:50,159 --> 01:59:51,279
to be satisfied.

2531
01:59:51,319 --> 01:59:53,039
Speaker 1: I understand that, but that's not you know, that's not

2532
01:59:53,079 --> 01:59:53,720
how this I.

2533
01:59:53,760 --> 01:59:57,720
Speaker 2: Know, I know. I actually just think those two guys

2534
01:59:57,840 --> 02:00:02,960
are very understanding of how the NP works. McCollum, especially

2535
02:00:03,600 --> 02:00:06,159
like whenever you hear him talk about like the workings

2536
02:00:06,199 --> 02:00:08,279
of the league, he seems to be very like, oh, yeah,

2537
02:00:08,279 --> 02:00:09,920
this is what happens, this is what happens. I think

2538
02:00:09,960 --> 02:00:11,920
he gets it. I think he understands that this is

2539
02:00:11,960 --> 02:00:15,920
actually best for the franchise. Whether he's gonna say, hey,

2540
02:00:15,960 --> 02:00:18,720
that's not best for me, that remains to be seen.

2541
02:00:19,079 --> 02:00:19,960
I mean, this is I think.

2542
02:00:19,800 --> 02:00:22,199
Speaker 1: Middle Trade is the one who's more likely to say that.

2543
02:00:22,279 --> 02:00:26,199
If I had to guess, Okay, interesting, but yeah, uh

2544
02:00:26,680 --> 02:00:28,439
pretty good offseason from the Wizards. Well, I'll have to

2545
02:00:28,439 --> 02:00:30,239
do report We'll have to do report card grades at

2546
02:00:30,239 --> 02:00:32,760
some point. You have anything else? Before we skid at all?

2547
02:00:32,840 --> 02:00:35,199
We did it in almost less than two hours.

2548
02:00:37,760 --> 02:00:39,000
Speaker 2: We certainly did not know.

2549
02:00:40,279 --> 02:00:41,840
Speaker 1: Can you tell everyone where they can find you at

2550
02:00:41,840 --> 02:00:43,239
all the great work that you do, sir?

2551
02:00:44,199 --> 02:00:46,119
Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, you can find my work over at

2552
02:00:46,239 --> 02:00:48,720
Yahoo Sports or red Forbes. You can listen to my

2553
02:00:48,760 --> 02:00:51,079
podcast at the MV podcast and if you speak things,

2554
02:00:51,119 --> 02:00:53,159
you don't find my podcast at the Post Review.

2555
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Speaker 1: Until next time, and as always, leave you with the

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shoutout for the one, the only. We're going off script

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because More hates him for no good reason. Shout out

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mister Chris black Shack