WEBVTT 1 00:00:29.160 --> 00:00:31.640 Hello, and welcome to the show. And Martin willis your host. 2 00:00:32.039 --> 00:00:34.960 We've got a great guest this evening. I got to 3 00:00:34.960 --> 00:00:39.560 hang out with him in July in Texas, Earl Gray Anderson. 4 00:00:40.119 --> 00:00:42.880 He's involved in Move On. He's been on the show before, 5 00:00:42.880 --> 00:00:44.679 but it was quite a while ago, so I'm really 6 00:00:44.679 --> 00:00:48.039 excited to have him back. On a couple of announcements 7 00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:51.960 we have. I gotta say the blog this week is 8 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:55.640 an interesting one. Means a little something to me because 9 00:00:55.679 --> 00:00:59.880 now I am part time in the same town that 10 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:04.400 Betty and Barney Hill lived. I'm in Portsmouth, New Hampshire. 11 00:01:05.120 --> 00:01:08.319 And the blog this week, which I was never aware of, 12 00:01:09.319 --> 00:01:13.879 is the Betty Hill UFO Investigator. I had not known 13 00:01:13.959 --> 00:01:16.719 of her investigations, and I did send the blog along 14 00:01:16.760 --> 00:01:20.319 to her niece, Kathleen Martin, and she loved it. I 15 00:01:20.359 --> 00:01:23.359 thought it was great and accurate, and so check that 16 00:01:23.439 --> 00:01:27.840 out over at PODCASTUFO dot com. Another great blog by 17 00:01:28.040 --> 00:01:32.760 Charles Charles Lear and again it's Betty Hill UFO Investigator. 18 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:36.159 So also, I want to bring up a couple of 19 00:01:36.159 --> 00:01:40.560 things this week. This Thursday, I'm doing a very unusual 20 00:01:40.680 --> 00:01:43.799 everything else show. I kind of like history. This may 21 00:01:43.879 --> 00:01:46.760 even go out on my antique podcast. I'm not sure, 22 00:01:47.120 --> 00:01:51.519 but there was this really strange incident that a lot 23 00:01:51.599 --> 00:01:54.840 of people are not aware of. And so this Thursday 24 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:57.239 on the Everything Else Show, I'm going to do the 25 00:01:57.319 --> 00:02:01.319 Great Boston Molasses flood. And what it was back in 26 00:02:01.719 --> 00:02:06.040 nineteen nineteen was a big storage tank. I can't remember, 27 00:02:06.079 --> 00:02:08.520 I want to say, over a million gallons of molasses 28 00:02:08.919 --> 00:02:13.639 in February burst and it was a disaster. But it's 29 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:15.680 just so unusual. I thought it would make a great 30 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:20.120 topic for the Everything Else Show. So I'm going to 31 00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:26.199 have Jake oh boy, I'm just missing his name right now, 32 00:02:27.360 --> 00:02:30.080 the coin Eyes. I believe it's something like that. He 33 00:02:30.120 --> 00:02:34.400 has a History Hub podcast, does Boston shows all the time. 34 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:37.960 And so Jake will be joining us on Thursday night, 35 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:42.159 and next week a week from today, we have a 36 00:02:42.280 --> 00:02:45.360 Luel Zondo He's going to be on. He's going to 37 00:02:45.400 --> 00:02:48.439 be talking about his book Eminent, and I already have 38 00:02:48.479 --> 00:02:50.719 a number of questions for that. If you'd like to 39 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:54.599 email me some questions for him, I will pose some 40 00:02:54.719 --> 00:02:56.919 of them to him. I have quite a few of 41 00:02:56.919 --> 00:03:00.000 them for him already as I've been reading his book. 42 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:02.840 But if you want to email me some questions that 43 00:03:03.599 --> 00:03:09.879 Martin at podcastufo dot com. This last weekend, I was 44 00:03:09.919 --> 00:03:14.599 at the Incident Exeter, the Exeter UFO conference in New Hampshire. 45 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:17.479 It's only twenty minutes away from where I live. Got 46 00:03:17.479 --> 00:03:20.759 to hang out with Peter Robbins, Lard Scranton, and a 47 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:26.280 few others that were really interesting. Eric Mentel, he's a musician, 48 00:03:27.080 --> 00:03:29.400 a paranormal investigator who's going to be on this show 49 00:03:29.439 --> 00:03:32.919 as well coming up. So anyway, I am ready to 50 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:35.159 bring in our great guests all the way from the 51 00:03:35.199 --> 00:03:37.719 West coast. Earl. Welcome, Hi there. 52 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:39.159 How are you doing, Martin. 53 00:03:39.199 --> 00:03:40.360 It's good to see you, buddy. 54 00:03:40.840 --> 00:03:43.560 Yeah, good to see you. I really enjoyed hanging out 55 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:46.479 with you and your talks that you did in Texas. 56 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:50.080 I thought you did a wonderful presentation. 57 00:03:50.280 --> 00:03:53.960 And I had so much fun. I enjoyed myself, that's 58 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:54.479 for sure. 59 00:03:54.599 --> 00:03:58.080 And I got to tell you are really loved by 60 00:03:58.120 --> 00:04:01.280 the UFO community. I could really see that by the 61 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:04.319 reactions of people around you, and you know, they really 62 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:07.759 really look up to you, and you're really highly highly respected, 63 00:04:08.159 --> 00:04:12.080 and you could really tell that, and you got that smile. 64 00:04:12.280 --> 00:04:16.439 I like that smile. You always have that smile. And 65 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:20.519 you're also I love what I do. Yeah, that's good. 66 00:04:20.839 --> 00:04:24.959 And I'm also going to talk about your musician and 67 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:27.240 a nice one. And at the end of this show, 68 00:04:27.920 --> 00:04:30.720 with the very tail end, I got a sample of 69 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:33.319 your clip. It's a partial song that I had to 70 00:04:33.319 --> 00:04:35.519 shorten it up a bit, but that'll be playing right 71 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:36.800 at the end. And I wanted to talk to you 72 00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:40.600 about and I know that you know Mike he sent 73 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:45.680 this to me, Mike Fioriotto. He is a book coming 74 00:04:45.720 --> 00:04:50.519 out on UFO Symphonic. It's called The Journeys into Sound. 75 00:04:50.600 --> 00:04:54.240 And there's the connections between music and UFOs, and I 76 00:04:54.279 --> 00:04:58.000 swear there's also a connection between antiques and UFOs too, 77 00:04:58.480 --> 00:05:01.160 because of all these people. Well, I'm in the antique 78 00:05:01.160 --> 00:05:04.160 and art business. It just seems lately that I'm being 79 00:05:04.279 --> 00:05:08.160 contacted by so many people in that realm as well. 80 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:11.480 Maybe I should say this UFO is a connected to everything. 81 00:05:11.839 --> 00:05:16.720 I don't know. Maybe, so let's talk about. 82 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:23.800 I think it's the connective tissue really, you know, Yeah. 83 00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:26.120 So let's talk about the beginning of your Now it 84 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:27.839 has to do with your mother, really, I mean, how 85 00:05:27.879 --> 00:05:30.000 your interested in this? Can we talk about that I 86 00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:32.399 mean for the person who did hear you back? 87 00:05:32.480 --> 00:05:37.759 What was happen seven years ago? Yeah, it's been a while. 88 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:41.079 I think I was on in twenty seventeen maybe. 89 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:41.639 But. 90 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:47.040 Well, my genesis is really here. Here's a photo of 91 00:05:47.079 --> 00:05:54.040 my mom. Her name was Betty Grace Maiden. Back in 92 00:05:54.079 --> 00:05:58.120 the nineteen fifties, my mom was one of Howard Hughes's 93 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:02.680 personal secretaries. She worked at Hughes Aircraft. 94 00:06:02.759 --> 00:06:04.000 I mean he had. 95 00:06:03.839 --> 00:06:07.439 A movie office as well, because he was in film. 96 00:06:07.519 --> 00:06:13.600 And of course, Howard Hughes made his initial fortune by 97 00:06:13.639 --> 00:06:16.319 creating the better Drill bit and he kind of opened 98 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:21.639 up the oil fields and that opened things up for 99 00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:26.360 him to follow his true passion, which was aeronautics. And 100 00:06:26.439 --> 00:06:30.000 my mom, she had a job in law enforcement when 101 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:36.319 she was growing went up in Muscatine, Iowa. They literally 102 00:06:36.360 --> 00:06:40.079 they hired her, and I'm not even sure, I mean 103 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:42.560 she was out of high school, I know, but they 104 00:06:42.639 --> 00:06:48.120 hired her, deputized her to be the deputy that was 105 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:50.079 taking care of the drunk tank on the weekend. 106 00:06:50.199 --> 00:06:51.879 Nobody else wanted to do that. 107 00:06:52.399 --> 00:06:55.839 So yes, she would go in there and she would, 108 00:06:56.040 --> 00:06:58.399 you know, make sure people were fed and taken care 109 00:06:58.439 --> 00:07:01.040 of them, there were no problems, and I think that 110 00:07:01.160 --> 00:07:04.879 because of that background, it opened her up to get 111 00:07:04.920 --> 00:07:07.879 that job when she moved here to Los Angeles in 112 00:07:07.920 --> 00:07:14.319 the early nineteen nineteen fifties. Now this was not news. 113 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:17.759 The whole family knew about my mom's background or her 114 00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:20.759 best friend was Ellen Severson, who we called Aunt Ellen. 115 00:07:21.720 --> 00:07:23.720 I always thought of her as you know, as Mom's 116 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:27.480 other sister. But she met her at Hughes. Ellen worked 117 00:07:27.480 --> 00:07:31.360 for the Rand Corporation, which was a subsidiary of Hughes originally. 118 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:35.480 Later on they went on and became their own corporation. 119 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:42.480 And apparently what's interesting is is that the Rand Corporation, supposedly, 120 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:48.839 and what I've heard some well founded rumors from that 121 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:51.800 they had a hand in building our deep underground military 122 00:07:52.160 --> 00:07:57.759 facilities that became an issue, especially during the Cold War. 123 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:01.879 Suddenly we had stuff that we need, that we needed 124 00:08:01.879 --> 00:08:06.399 to hide, and you know, what better place to hide 125 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:10.839 things than under ground, and that's what we still do. 126 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:17.680 So But anyway, it was nineteen sixty five or sixty three. 127 00:08:17.759 --> 00:08:23.839 I was five years old and I had sat down 128 00:08:24.079 --> 00:08:30.319 for for for breakfast, getting ready to go to kindergarten, 129 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:34.960 and my mom sat across for me, and she started 130 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:37.600 speaking to me like I was another adult. It was 131 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:40.919 very strange. She spoke to me like I was another adult, 132 00:08:42.080 --> 00:08:45.759 which she didn't do. But I think that this was 133 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:49.840 her past was weighing heavily on her. I think she 134 00:08:49.919 --> 00:08:54.360 was trying to be the proverbial nineteen sixties housewife. But 135 00:08:54.519 --> 00:08:57.679 her background was really interesting. You know, working for Howard 136 00:08:57.720 --> 00:09:02.679 Hughes is interesting in itself. But she told me that, 137 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:07.360 she said, well, Son, and I should I should give 138 00:09:07.399 --> 00:09:10.519 a little preamble to this. I was sort of born 139 00:09:10.679 --> 00:09:14.759 with this love for outer space. Who knows where it 140 00:09:14.799 --> 00:09:17.840 came from. It was just that would be my safe space, 141 00:09:17.919 --> 00:09:20.440 as I would sort of take the time life books 142 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:25.399 and turn to Jupiter and Saturn, early space program photos 143 00:09:25.399 --> 00:09:28.159 and things like that, and I would sort of that's 144 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:31.360 where I would play, you know, with soldiers or cars 145 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:36.159 or what have you. And one of my very earliest 146 00:09:36.200 --> 00:09:38.879 memories is I would climb up on our swing set 147 00:09:38.919 --> 00:09:41.159 and I would get on the monkey bars and wave 148 00:09:41.399 --> 00:09:46.240 and sing to the sky and my mom I remember 149 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:49.519 her opening the kitchen window. We were in Venice, California 150 00:09:49.600 --> 00:09:52.360 at that time, and you know, who are you waving 151 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:56.200 and singing to earl and I didn't even have to 152 00:09:56.240 --> 00:09:58.159 think about it. I said, I'm waving and singing to 153 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:02.279 the space people, Mom, which is kind of interesting. Here 154 00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:06.240 i am all these years later, sixty some years, I'm 155 00:10:06.279 --> 00:10:09.720 still essentially doing the same thing. I'm waving and singing too, 156 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:15.320 and about the space people. So anyway, I'm getting ready 157 00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:19.440 for school, I'm having my corn flakes, and Mom starts 158 00:10:19.519 --> 00:10:23.639 talking to me like another adult. She said, Son, something 159 00:10:23.639 --> 00:10:25.559 that you don't know, and I kind of want you 160 00:10:25.639 --> 00:10:28.840 to know that my job with Howard Hughes had this 161 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:31.799 very weird element to it that people are not aware of. 162 00:10:32.840 --> 00:10:34.799 And she told me this story where they took her 163 00:10:34.840 --> 00:10:37.279 out to the desert. It was herself, and it was 164 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:41.720 a little security detail, and she didn't say which desert. 165 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:44.399 I've been trying to figure that out for many years. 166 00:10:44.759 --> 00:10:47.159 I've kind of whittled it down to a few different sites, 167 00:10:47.240 --> 00:10:51.279 but I don't know the exact location. But she said 168 00:10:51.279 --> 00:10:54.120 it was a great American desert. There was nothing out there, 169 00:10:55.480 --> 00:10:59.360 but there was this shack, a concrete bunker, and she 170 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:03.159 said that that they took her to this bunker and 171 00:11:03.240 --> 00:11:06.480 she didn't even know why they were showing her this 172 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:09.600 thing and in the middle of nowhere. She didn't know 173 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:11.120 if they're going to show her a quit, you know, 174 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:14.600 machinery or a tractor. I mean, what could be there. 175 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:17.879 They opened this thing up and there was an elevator 176 00:11:17.919 --> 00:11:21.840 inside of the bunker, and my mom said that she 177 00:11:21.879 --> 00:11:24.879 got into the elevator with a couple of security guys 178 00:11:25.159 --> 00:11:27.200 and she thought it would go down a floor or too, 179 00:11:27.399 --> 00:11:32.360 but it kept going and apparently my mom said that 180 00:11:32.440 --> 00:11:35.000 it was going to quite a clip, and she thought 181 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:37.600 that it would, you know, be a short trip of 182 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:40.559 floor or two. But later on she said that this 183 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:43.600 was a facility that was a mile under the desert. 184 00:11:45.120 --> 00:11:48.039 She said that the doors opened up in this elevator 185 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:51.759 and that there was a bustling city under the desert there, 186 00:11:51.919 --> 00:11:57.639 that there were German rocket scientists that worked there. She 187 00:11:57.759 --> 00:12:02.960 alluded to having known or von Braun, for instance, come 188 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:08.240 on TV on Disney, he'd be talked about the Apollo program. Yeah, 189 00:12:08.879 --> 00:12:11.440 and he she would say, that's my friend Werner and 190 00:12:12.080 --> 00:12:14.480 a very charming man. And she would she would talk 191 00:12:14.519 --> 00:12:21.600 about him and and anyway. But she said that people 192 00:12:21.639 --> 00:12:25.639 spent large periods of time under ground in this facility, 193 00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:27.960 that it was a city under the desert. She said 194 00:12:27.960 --> 00:12:32.320 that they had like the commissary, They had little cafes, 195 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:36.600 they had a movie theater, so people were down there 196 00:12:36.639 --> 00:12:38.519 for long periods of time. She said they had a 197 00:12:38.519 --> 00:12:41.200 barber shop, but the barber could do her hair for her. 198 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:45.440 She would get her hair permed. And later on, when 199 00:12:45.480 --> 00:12:47.559 I would think about it, it's kind of like, well, 200 00:12:47.720 --> 00:12:49.919 she must have. It's not like you go down for 201 00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:55.440 a couple of hours and observe a facility and come back, 202 00:12:55.919 --> 00:12:58.120 you know, get your hair done and come back. I mean, 203 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:01.960 she must have spent some time down there. But the 204 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:05.679 way she wrapped up this conversation was she said, well, early, 205 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:08.120 I know that you're very interested in life in outer 206 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:10.759 space and outer space, and I just want you to 207 00:13:10.840 --> 00:13:13.799 know that we are not alone. We already know that 208 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:17.519 we're not alone. That you're going to hear about UFOs 209 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:22.200 and that that's a real thing. And she said that, 210 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:26.200 but they're never going to tell the public, but it 211 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:30.360 is a very real thing. And later on, you. 212 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:35.360 Know, yeah, did she ever say why? I mean, I 213 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:38.240 have my thoughts on why we won't be told, but 214 00:13:38.320 --> 00:13:42.039 did she say why, Well, they would never tell us. 215 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:44.840 Well over the years, I tried to get her to 216 00:13:44.879 --> 00:13:48.639 talk more. Sometimes I was more successful than other times. 217 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:53.720 Usually she wouldn't, but I took her to see For instance, 218 00:13:53.720 --> 00:13:55.960 in fourth grade, I went and I gave a lecture 219 00:13:55.960 --> 00:13:58.960 in from my class, what do your parents do? The 220 00:13:59.039 --> 00:14:04.000 kids weren't very interested in my dad's landscaping contract company. 221 00:14:04.159 --> 00:14:07.320 So let me tell you about my mother though. And 222 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:10.200 then I went and I reiterated pretty much everything she 223 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:15.519 told me at that table, like four years before, and 224 00:14:15.559 --> 00:14:18.159 the teacher called my mom in. She wanted to parent 225 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:20.480 teach her conference with my mom to see where this 226 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:23.840 story came from. And you know, it was pretty elaborate. 227 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:26.960 I told my class what I just told you, but 228 00:14:27.080 --> 00:14:31.960 in more detail. And I got the lecture from my mom. 229 00:14:32.039 --> 00:14:34.159 You know, it's like, oh my god, how did you 230 00:14:34.279 --> 00:14:36.279 remember that you were just a baby. 231 00:14:36.399 --> 00:14:37.840 I wasn't supposed to tell you. 232 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:40.240 And you know, your mom could go to prison, and 233 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:43.519 and so I kind of clammed up about it. She 234 00:14:44.039 --> 00:14:45.879 was very serious. She said that she could go to 235 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:48.440 prison if I talked about it, and I stopped talking 236 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:48.960 about it. 237 00:14:49.000 --> 00:14:50.960 I stopped, but I. 238 00:14:50.919 --> 00:14:53.440 Would try to get more info from her because it 239 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:56.360 was just, you know, it was that big fifty foot 240 00:14:56.440 --> 00:15:00.759 question mark that was hanging over me through my whole life. 241 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:04.360 Nineteen seventy seven, I took her to see Star Wars 242 00:15:04.480 --> 00:15:08.399 and for some reason she started talking after that movie 243 00:15:08.759 --> 00:15:13.879 and she said that again. She said that Star Wars 244 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:16.799 isn't far fetched, son, It's really like that with a 245 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:22.240 different spacecraft, different races of aliens. But they're never going 246 00:15:22.279 --> 00:15:25.519 to tell the public. And at that point I was 247 00:15:25.600 --> 00:15:28.480 old enough to ask, well, why the hell not. You know, 248 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:31.799 that's one of those eternal questions, you know, are we 249 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:35.080 alone in the universe? And she said, she brought up 250 00:15:36.519 --> 00:15:40.360 she brought up the War of the World's radio broadcast, 251 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:45.799 how people had barricaded themselves up, that they reacted badly. 252 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:50.600 She said, Now imagine that happening on a global scale. 253 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:52.639 She said that, you know, they're afraid that people will 254 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:59.320 react really badly. It could harm certain world religions, could 255 00:15:59.399 --> 00:16:03.960 change the way finances are dealt with, and it's it's 256 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:06.159 just they're never ever going to tell the public. They're 257 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:10.039 never ever And she, you know, she doubled down on that. 258 00:16:10.200 --> 00:16:12.519 You know, through the years I would ask her, I 259 00:16:12.679 --> 00:16:14.799 try to get her. And now in the meantime, my 260 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:18.200 mom went back into aerospace. She wound up becoming a 261 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:22.039 corporate headhunter for all the like you know David Grush's 262 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:24.919 list of the people that have the people that are 263 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:33.000 the gatekeepers of this information Lockey, you know, Northrup and 264 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:38.480 TRW and raytheon and well, those were all of her contracts. 265 00:16:39.120 --> 00:16:43.799 She you know, would find people for particular jobs. I know, 266 00:16:43.879 --> 00:16:49.080 for for Rockwell International. She people the Rockwell Science Center 267 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:53.799 you're in Thousand Oaks, California, from broom sweepers up. I know, 268 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:56.639 because she got one friend of mine out of high 269 00:16:56.639 --> 00:16:59.840 school a job as a broom sweeper there. So uh, 270 00:17:01.519 --> 00:17:03.879 she had her hands and that stuff again. And then 271 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:09.759 she really clammed up. Nineteen seventy seven, you know, Star Wars. 272 00:17:10.680 --> 00:17:12.960 I think she was still able to talk about it. 273 00:17:13.519 --> 00:17:18.839 But when she went and privatized herself as a corporate headhunter, 274 00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:22.359 no information was coming. 275 00:17:23.319 --> 00:17:27.400 Yeah. But yeah, yeah, I mean it's too bad. The 276 00:17:27.440 --> 00:17:30.519 stigma is something that we've you know, had to deal 277 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:33.960 with for so long and still do a little bit, 278 00:17:34.039 --> 00:17:36.720 you know. I mean I was just, you know, I 279 00:17:36.799 --> 00:17:40.480 was in a group of people that would run this 280 00:17:40.720 --> 00:17:44.200 UAP crossfire and one of them just refused to have 281 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:47.839 his name out there because he does you know, government contracts. 282 00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:51.400 He's a helicopter pilot, so you can't blame him. You know, 283 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:55.599 he wants to remain anonymous, and it's too bad that 284 00:17:55.720 --> 00:17:58.240 has to that stigma has to be worried about. 285 00:17:59.200 --> 00:18:00.319 Yeah, to begin, well. 286 00:18:01.079 --> 00:18:03.799 They have everything to lose if they break their you know, 287 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:08.240 non disclosure agreements that they've signed, and they've taken security oaths. 288 00:18:09.799 --> 00:18:12.000 You know, my mom wasn't lying. She could have she 289 00:18:12.039 --> 00:18:14.160 could have gone to prison. I mean I had one 290 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:15.799 guy from the D O D and I you know, 291 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:21.279 I mean, this probably happens for you as well. Now 292 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:24.160 that I'm sort of known as a UFO you know, 293 00:18:24.839 --> 00:18:29.400 expert or whatever, that there really are experts. I don't 294 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:32.240 even know where they're coming from. You know, are they interstellar? 295 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:35.160 Are they inter dimensional? It us from the future, is 296 00:18:35.200 --> 00:18:37.839 it us from the past. Is it something that evolved 297 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:42.079 next to us? I don't know. I sort of think 298 00:18:42.119 --> 00:18:45.319 maybe it's a little bit of all the above. But 299 00:18:46.279 --> 00:18:49.759 I mean, you know where I've been doing this full 300 00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:55.000 time now for I mean for ten years. I do 301 00:18:55.799 --> 00:19:00.079 like working with MUFON and and they're you know, my 302 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:02.920 mom was one of the reasons why I joined a 303 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:06.839 mouf on, and I kind of took to UFO investigations 304 00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:10.680 like a fish to water. As long as my mom 305 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:14.079 was still alive, there was that chance that I might 306 00:19:14.119 --> 00:19:18.319 get that golden ticket, that she might just tell me everything, 307 00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:23.599 and she might have. I mean, she apparently left a 308 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:29.480 legal pad in Shorthand that was in a safe that 309 00:19:29.720 --> 00:19:33.319 my sister took when my mom passed away, and it 310 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:35.680 was meant for me. My mom said, there's something for 311 00:19:35.720 --> 00:19:39.559 you in the safe if anything ever happens to me. 312 00:19:40.480 --> 00:19:41.079 You know that the. 313 00:19:42.720 --> 00:19:45.680 Safe combination is on the bottom. Just open it up 314 00:19:45.680 --> 00:19:50.240 and there's something for you in there. And apparently there 315 00:19:50.279 --> 00:19:55.519 was this costume jewelry. There weren't any IRA accounts or 316 00:19:55.559 --> 00:19:59.039 anything like that in there, and my sister just threw 317 00:19:59.079 --> 00:20:03.039 everything in the track apparently and used the safe as 318 00:20:03.079 --> 00:20:09.400 a gun safe. To my absolute horror and chagrin, she 319 00:20:09.519 --> 00:20:11.640 said that, well, there was a legal pad in there 320 00:20:11.680 --> 00:20:14.480 with mom's old scribbles in it, but it's probably grocery 321 00:20:14.519 --> 00:20:17.319 lists and work stuff, and so it just wound up 322 00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:22.079 going out with Monday's trash pickup. And I don't know, 323 00:20:22.119 --> 00:20:24.119 maybe she did give me the golden ticket. I know 324 00:20:24.480 --> 00:20:28.319 now that she couldn't talk about it while she was alive, 325 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:32.680 and she would give hints, but you know, usually nothing. 326 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:35.880 I mean, I asked her about Bob Lazar. That story 327 00:20:35.960 --> 00:20:41.519 came out and I had like a magazine article or something. 328 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:43.880 I was going, Mom, this sounds like one of your clients, 329 00:20:43.920 --> 00:20:46.799 one of the special guys that you get out to 330 00:20:46.880 --> 00:20:49.559 these companies. Do you ever hear this Bob Lazar guy? 331 00:20:50.359 --> 00:20:53.039 And she pulled her glasses down her nose and she 332 00:20:53.079 --> 00:20:55.240 looks at me and she says, Bob Lazer, that's not 333 00:20:55.319 --> 00:20:57.839 a real name. And she goes back to work. You know, 334 00:20:57.920 --> 00:21:01.279 she's working on something for Locke Eaters, somebody, you know. 335 00:21:01.559 --> 00:21:04.119 And she wasn't going to wasn't going to go there, 336 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:06.960 wasn't going to say anything, and maybe it was in 337 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:07.759 that notebook. 338 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:10.319 So she passed away. 339 00:21:10.160 --> 00:21:14.680 Nineteen ninety nine, and I knew that was the end 340 00:21:14.720 --> 00:21:17.519 of you know, if I was going to find out 341 00:21:17.599 --> 00:21:22.880 any thing about this phenomenon, I was going to have 342 00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:26.519 to do it myself. I'd read books about it at 343 00:21:26.519 --> 00:21:29.720 that point, and people would contradict each other, and well, 344 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:32.960 everybody can't be right. Everybody can't be wrong either, Who's 345 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:33.680 you know what? 346 00:21:34.440 --> 00:21:34.559 So? 347 00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:37.480 And I heard about Moufon and that that's how I became. 348 00:21:38.200 --> 00:21:41.920 I found my state director at the time, and I 349 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:44.640 started getting cases. You know, I passed the tests, read 350 00:21:44.680 --> 00:21:49.119 the handbook, and I've got over a thousand cases under 351 00:21:49.119 --> 00:21:53.359 my belt at this point, probably a thousand up to 352 00:21:53.559 --> 00:21:57.599 maybe a thousand three hundred. I mean, we got a lot, 353 00:21:58.039 --> 00:22:00.720 a lot of cases through the ER, which is the 354 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:05.400 Experience or Resource team, and I'm on their executive committee, 355 00:22:05.400 --> 00:22:08.680 and we used to not keep track of those for 356 00:22:08.839 --> 00:22:13.440 move On and MoveOn's computer filing system, so there was 357 00:22:13.480 --> 00:22:16.200 a good at least two hundred of those cases that 358 00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:20.880 you know, on top of the thousand that you can 359 00:22:20.920 --> 00:22:23.480 see if you go into moovef on the CMS, the 360 00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:25.079 computer management program. 361 00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:28.000 That's what I do. I love it. 362 00:22:28.079 --> 00:22:32.799 Wow. In California, I know has you know, I think 363 00:22:32.960 --> 00:22:35.319 the majority of sightings, well, the population is a very 364 00:22:35.359 --> 00:22:39.079 high population, beautiful weather for the most part, so but 365 00:22:39.319 --> 00:22:41.200 I know there's a lot of sightings. I was up 366 00:22:41.240 --> 00:22:45.200 in Marin County for nine years, but when I had 367 00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:48.599 my UFO siding, i lived there. My sighting was down 368 00:22:48.680 --> 00:22:52.559 in the Monterey area, you know, Carmel Valley area. That's 369 00:22:52.599 --> 00:22:57.000 what got me interested in it so, but when I 370 00:22:57.240 --> 00:22:59.960 left and I'm back here, it's funny in the town 371 00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:03.160 I was living, and people have contacted me from you know, 372 00:23:03.880 --> 00:23:08.640 in the Tibron and Sanrafel area and Marin County up there. 373 00:23:08.759 --> 00:23:09.599 I love that area. 374 00:23:09.759 --> 00:23:12.319 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a beautiful area. But I mean, 375 00:23:12.359 --> 00:23:14.640 there's so many sightings out there, and I'd like for 376 00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:18.160 you to talk about some of them if you, If 377 00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:21.160 you would, you know that you found really fascinating. 378 00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:24.480 Well, what I. 379 00:23:24.559 --> 00:23:28.440 Found fascinating was and I mean I get all manner 380 00:23:28.480 --> 00:23:33.200 of reports here, and you're correct, in southern California particularly, 381 00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:37.279 we have more UFO reports here than anywhere else in 382 00:23:37.319 --> 00:23:40.039 the world. Some of that may be because of the 383 00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:43.880 all the aerospace companies that we have here. It's definitely 384 00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:48.839 a hub for that. We have Edwards Air Force Base, 385 00:23:50.119 --> 00:23:57.160 You've got Plant forty two, that's Lockheed's Lockheeds facility in Palmdale. 386 00:23:58.000 --> 00:24:01.119 You've got Port WAINIMI, which they have a facility there. 387 00:24:01.119 --> 00:24:04.519 I don't know, well, people know about it, but it's 388 00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:11.200 not advertised like the one in Palmdale is. But so 389 00:24:11.319 --> 00:24:13.640 we have a lot of aerospace engineers and I get 390 00:24:13.640 --> 00:24:17.799 a lot of reports from aerospace engineers. One guy in 391 00:24:17.799 --> 00:24:20.440 one of those facilities. I'm not going to mention which one. 392 00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:21.000 I don't want to. 393 00:24:20.960 --> 00:24:23.599 Get him into trouble, but he does have a lot 394 00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:27.720 of engineers working under him, and he had a UFO 395 00:24:27.759 --> 00:24:32.359 siding with his parents. You're Edwards when he was a kid, 396 00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:41.000 and in his adulthood when he started working working for Lockheed, 397 00:24:42.400 --> 00:24:45.680 he began having incursions into his bedroom in the middle 398 00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:48.519 of the night by our little gray friends with the 399 00:24:48.559 --> 00:24:52.839 black eyes. And I'm finding that this is not a 400 00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:57.640 random thing that a lot of people, it seems either 401 00:24:57.680 --> 00:25:03.359