Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show. And Martin willis your host.
Speaker 1: We've got a great guest this evening. I got to
Speaker 1: hang out with him in July in Texas, Earl Gray Anderson.
Speaker 1: He's involved in Move On. He's been on the show before,
Speaker 1: but it was quite a while ago, so I'm really
Speaker 1: excited to have him back. On a couple of announcements
Speaker 1: we have. I gotta say the blog this week is
Speaker 1: an interesting one. Means a little something to me because
Speaker 1: now I am part time in the same town that
Speaker 1: Betty and Barney Hill lived. I'm in Portsmouth, New Hampshire.
Speaker 1: And the blog this week, which I was never aware of,
Speaker 1: is the Betty Hill UFO Investigator. I had not known
Speaker 1: of her investigations, and I did send the blog along
Speaker 1: to her niece, Kathleen Martin, and she loved it. I
Speaker 1: thought it was great and accurate, and so check that
Speaker 1: out over at PODCASTUFO dot com. Another great blog by
Speaker 1: Charles Charles Lear and again it's Betty Hill UFO Investigator.
Speaker 1: So also, I want to bring up a couple of
Speaker 1: things this week. This Thursday, I'm doing a very unusual
Speaker 1: everything else show. I kind of like history. This may
Speaker 1: even go out on my antique podcast. I'm not sure,
Speaker 1: but there was this really strange incident that a lot
Speaker 1: of people are not aware of. And so this Thursday
Speaker 1: on the Everything Else Show, I'm going to do the
Speaker 1: Great Boston Molasses flood. And what it was back in
Speaker 1: nineteen nineteen was a big storage tank. I can't remember,
Speaker 1: I want to say, over a million gallons of molasses
Speaker 1: in February burst and it was a disaster. But it's
Speaker 1: just so unusual. I thought it would make a great
Speaker 1: topic for the Everything Else Show. So I'm going to
Speaker 1: have Jake oh boy, I'm just missing his name right now,
Speaker 1: the coin Eyes. I believe it's something like that. He
Speaker 1: has a History Hub podcast, does Boston shows all the time.
Speaker 1: And so Jake will be joining us on Thursday night,
Speaker 1: and next week a week from today, we have a
Speaker 1: Luel Zondo He's going to be on. He's going to
Speaker 1: be talking about his book Eminent, and I already have
Speaker 1: a number of questions for that. If you'd like to
Speaker 1: email me some questions for him, I will pose some
Speaker 1: of them to him. I have quite a few of
Speaker 1: them for him already as I've been reading his book.
Speaker 1: But if you want to email me some questions that
Speaker 1: Martin at podcastufo dot com. This last weekend, I was
Speaker 1: at the Incident Exeter, the Exeter UFO conference in New Hampshire.
Speaker 1: It's only twenty minutes away from where I live. Got
Speaker 1: to hang out with Peter Robbins, Lard Scranton, and a
Speaker 1: few others that were really interesting. Eric Mentel, he's a musician,
Speaker 1: a paranormal investigator who's going to be on this show
Speaker 1: as well coming up. So anyway, I am ready to
Speaker 1: bring in our great guests all the way from the
Speaker 1: West coast. Earl. Welcome, Hi there.
Speaker 2: How are you doing, Martin.
Speaker 3: It's good to see you, buddy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good to see you. I really enjoyed hanging out
Speaker 1: with you and your talks that you did in Texas.
Speaker 1: I thought you did a wonderful presentation.
Speaker 2: And I had so much fun. I enjoyed myself, that's
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: And I got to tell you are really loved by
Speaker 1: the UFO community. I could really see that by the
Speaker 1: reactions of people around you, and you know, they really
Speaker 1: really look up to you, and you're really highly highly respected,
Speaker 1: and you could really tell that, and you got that smile.
Speaker 1: I like that smile. You always have that smile. And
Speaker 1: you're also I love what I do. Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1: And I'm also going to talk about your musician and
Speaker 1: a nice one. And at the end of this show,
Speaker 1: with the very tail end, I got a sample of
Speaker 1: your clip. It's a partial song that I had to
Speaker 1: shorten it up a bit, but that'll be playing right
Speaker 1: at the end. And I wanted to talk to you
Speaker 1: about and I know that you know Mike he sent
Speaker 1: this to me, Mike Fioriotto. He is a book coming
Speaker 1: out on UFO Symphonic. It's called The Journeys into Sound.
Speaker 1: And there's the connections between music and UFOs, and I
Speaker 1: swear there's also a connection between antiques and UFOs too,
Speaker 1: because of all these people. Well, I'm in the antique
Speaker 1: and art business. It just seems lately that I'm being
Speaker 1: contacted by so many people in that realm as well.
Speaker 1: Maybe I should say this UFO is a connected to everything.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe, so let's talk about.
Speaker 2: I think it's the connective tissue really, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the beginning of your Now it
Speaker 1: has to do with your mother, really, I mean, how
Speaker 1: your interested in this? Can we talk about that I
Speaker 1: mean for the person who did hear you back?
Speaker 2: What was happen seven years ago? Yeah, it's been a while.
Speaker 2: I think I was on in twenty seventeen maybe.
Speaker 3: But.
Speaker 2: Well, my genesis is really here. Here's a photo of
Speaker 2: my mom. Her name was Betty Grace Maiden. Back in
Speaker 2: the nineteen fifties, my mom was one of Howard Hughes's
Speaker 2: personal secretaries. She worked at Hughes Aircraft.
Speaker 3: I mean he had.
Speaker 2: A movie office as well, because he was in film.
Speaker 2: And of course, Howard Hughes made his initial fortune by
Speaker 2: creating the better Drill bit and he kind of opened
Speaker 2: up the oil fields and that opened things up for
Speaker 2: him to follow his true passion, which was aeronautics. And
Speaker 2: my mom, she had a job in law enforcement when
Speaker 2: she was growing went up in Muscatine, Iowa. They literally
Speaker 2: they hired her, and I'm not even sure, I mean
Speaker 2: she was out of high school, I know, but they
Speaker 2: hired her, deputized her to be the deputy that was
Speaker 2: taking care of the drunk tank on the weekend.
Speaker 3: Nobody else wanted to do that.
Speaker 2: So yes, she would go in there and she would,
Speaker 2: you know, make sure people were fed and taken care
Speaker 2: of them, there were no problems, and I think that
Speaker 2: because of that background, it opened her up to get
Speaker 2: that job when she moved here to Los Angeles in
Speaker 2: the early nineteen nineteen fifties. Now this was not news.
Speaker 2: The whole family knew about my mom's background or her
Speaker 2: best friend was Ellen Severson, who we called Aunt Ellen.
Speaker 2: I always thought of her as you know, as Mom's
Speaker 2: other sister. But she met her at Hughes. Ellen worked
Speaker 2: for the Rand Corporation, which was a subsidiary of Hughes originally.
Speaker 2: Later on they went on and became their own corporation.
Speaker 2: And apparently what's interesting is is that the Rand Corporation, supposedly,
Speaker 2: and what I've heard some well founded rumors from that
Speaker 2: they had a hand in building our deep underground military
Speaker 2: facilities that became an issue, especially during the Cold War.
Speaker 2: Suddenly we had stuff that we need, that we needed
Speaker 2: to hide, and you know, what better place to hide
Speaker 2: things than under ground, and that's what we still do.
Speaker 2: So But anyway, it was nineteen sixty five or sixty three.
Speaker 2: I was five years old and I had sat down
Speaker 2: for for for breakfast, getting ready to go to kindergarten,
Speaker 2: and my mom sat across for me, and she started
Speaker 2: speaking to me like I was another adult. It was
Speaker 2: very strange. She spoke to me like I was another adult,
Speaker 2: which she didn't do. But I think that this was
Speaker 2: her past was weighing heavily on her. I think she
Speaker 2: was trying to be the proverbial nineteen sixties housewife. But
Speaker 2: her background was really interesting. You know, working for Howard
Speaker 2: Hughes is interesting in itself. But she told me that,
Speaker 2: she said, well, Son, and I should I should give
Speaker 2: a little preamble to this. I was sort of born
Speaker 2: with this love for outer space. Who knows where it
Speaker 2: came from. It was just that would be my safe space,
Speaker 2: as I would sort of take the time life books
Speaker 2: and turn to Jupiter and Saturn, early space program photos
Speaker 2: and things like that, and I would sort of that's
Speaker 2: where I would play, you know, with soldiers or cars
Speaker 2: or what have you. And one of my very earliest
Speaker 2: memories is I would climb up on our swing set
Speaker 2: and I would get on the monkey bars and wave
Speaker 2: and sing to the sky and my mom I remember
Speaker 2: her opening the kitchen window. We were in Venice, California
Speaker 2: at that time, and you know, who are you waving
Speaker 2: and singing to earl and I didn't even have to
Speaker 2: think about it. I said, I'm waving and singing to
Speaker 2: the space people, Mom, which is kind of interesting. Here
Speaker 2: i am all these years later, sixty some years, I'm
Speaker 2: still essentially doing the same thing. I'm waving and singing too,
Speaker 2: and about the space people. So anyway, I'm getting ready
Speaker 2: for school, I'm having my corn flakes, and Mom starts
Speaker 2: talking to me like another adult. She said, Son, something
Speaker 2: that you don't know, and I kind of want you
Speaker 2: to know that my job with Howard Hughes had this
Speaker 2: very weird element to it that people are not aware of.
Speaker 2: And she told me this story where they took her
Speaker 2: out to the desert. It was herself, and it was
Speaker 2: a little security detail, and she didn't say which desert.
Speaker 2: I've been trying to figure that out for many years.
Speaker 2: I've kind of whittled it down to a few different sites,
Speaker 2: but I don't know the exact location. But she said
Speaker 2: it was a great American desert. There was nothing out there,
Speaker 2: but there was this shack, a concrete bunker, and she
Speaker 2: said that that they took her to this bunker and
Speaker 2: she didn't even know why they were showing her this
Speaker 2: thing and in the middle of nowhere. She didn't know
Speaker 2: if they're going to show her a quit, you know,
Speaker 2: machinery or a tractor. I mean, what could be there.
Speaker 2: They opened this thing up and there was an elevator
Speaker 2: inside of the bunker, and my mom said that she
Speaker 2: got into the elevator with a couple of security guys
Speaker 2: and she thought it would go down a floor or too,
Speaker 2: but it kept going and apparently my mom said that
Speaker 2: it was going to quite a clip, and she thought
Speaker 2: that it would, you know, be a short trip of
Speaker 2: floor or two. But later on she said that this
Speaker 2: was a facility that was a mile under the desert.
Speaker 2: She said that the doors opened up in this elevator
Speaker 2: and that there was a bustling city under the desert there,
Speaker 2: that there were German rocket scientists that worked there. She
Speaker 2: alluded to having known or von Braun, for instance, come
Speaker 2: on TV on Disney, he'd be talked about the Apollo program. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he she would say, that's my friend Werner and
Speaker 2: a very charming man. And she would she would talk
Speaker 2: about him and and anyway. But she said that people
Speaker 2: spent large periods of time under ground in this facility,
Speaker 2: that it was a city under the desert. She said
Speaker 2: that they had like the commissary, They had little cafes,
Speaker 2: they had a movie theater, so people were down there
Speaker 2: for long periods of time. She said they had a
Speaker 2: barber shop, but the barber could do her hair for her.
Speaker 2: She would get her hair permed. And later on, when
Speaker 2: I would think about it, it's kind of like, well,
Speaker 2: she must have. It's not like you go down for
Speaker 2: a couple of hours and observe a facility and come back,
Speaker 2: you know, get your hair done and come back. I mean,
Speaker 2: she must have spent some time down there. But the
Speaker 2: way she wrapped up this conversation was she said, well, early,
Speaker 2: I know that you're very interested in life in outer
Speaker 2: space and outer space, and I just want you to
Speaker 2: know that we are not alone. We already know that
Speaker 2: we're not alone. That you're going to hear about UFOs
Speaker 2: and that that's a real thing. And she said that,
Speaker 2: but they're never going to tell the public, but it
Speaker 2: is a very real thing. And later on, you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, did she ever say why? I mean, I
Speaker 1: have my thoughts on why we won't be told, but
Speaker 1: did she say why, Well, they would never tell us.
Speaker 2: Well over the years, I tried to get her to
Speaker 2: talk more. Sometimes I was more successful than other times.
Speaker 2: Usually she wouldn't, but I took her to see For instance,
Speaker 2: in fourth grade, I went and I gave a lecture
Speaker 2: in from my class, what do your parents do? The
Speaker 2: kids weren't very interested in my dad's landscaping contract company.
Speaker 2: So let me tell you about my mother though. And
Speaker 2: then I went and I reiterated pretty much everything she
Speaker 2: told me at that table, like four years before, and
Speaker 2: the teacher called my mom in. She wanted to parent
Speaker 2: teach her conference with my mom to see where this
Speaker 2: story came from. And you know, it was pretty elaborate.
Speaker 2: I told my class what I just told you, but
Speaker 2: in more detail. And I got the lecture from my mom.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like, oh my god, how did you
Speaker 2: remember that you were just a baby.
Speaker 3: I wasn't supposed to tell you.
Speaker 2: And you know, your mom could go to prison, and
Speaker 2: and so I kind of clammed up about it. She
Speaker 2: was very serious. She said that she could go to
Speaker 2: prison if I talked about it, and I stopped talking
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 3: I stopped, but I.
Speaker 2: Would try to get more info from her because it
Speaker 2: was just, you know, it was that big fifty foot
Speaker 2: question mark that was hanging over me through my whole life.
Speaker 2: Nineteen seventy seven, I took her to see Star Wars
Speaker 2: and for some reason she started talking after that movie
Speaker 2: and she said that again. She said that Star Wars
Speaker 2: isn't far fetched, son, It's really like that with a
Speaker 2: different spacecraft, different races of aliens. But they're never going
Speaker 2: to tell the public. And at that point I was
Speaker 2: old enough to ask, well, why the hell not. You know,
Speaker 2: that's one of those eternal questions, you know, are we
Speaker 2: alone in the universe? And she said, she brought up
Speaker 2: she brought up the War of the World's radio broadcast,
Speaker 2: how people had barricaded themselves up, that they reacted badly.
Speaker 2: She said, Now imagine that happening on a global scale.
Speaker 2: She said that, you know, they're afraid that people will
Speaker 2: react really badly. It could harm certain world religions, could
Speaker 2: change the way finances are dealt with, and it's it's
Speaker 2: just they're never ever going to tell the public. They're
Speaker 2: never ever And she, you know, she doubled down on that.
Speaker 2: You know, through the years I would ask her, I
Speaker 2: try to get her. And now in the meantime, my
Speaker 2: mom went back into aerospace. She wound up becoming a
Speaker 2: corporate headhunter for all the like you know David Grush's
Speaker 2: list of the people that have the people that are
Speaker 2: the gatekeepers of this information Lockey, you know, Northrup and
Speaker 2: TRW and raytheon and well, those were all of her contracts.
Speaker 2: She you know, would find people for particular jobs. I know,
Speaker 2: for for Rockwell International. She people the Rockwell Science Center
Speaker 2: you're in Thousand Oaks, California, from broom sweepers up. I know,
Speaker 2: because she got one friend of mine out of high
Speaker 2: school a job as a broom sweeper there. So uh,
Speaker 2: she had her hands and that stuff again. And then
Speaker 2: she really clammed up. Nineteen seventy seven, you know, Star Wars.
Speaker 2: I think she was still able to talk about it.
Speaker 2: But when she went and privatized herself as a corporate headhunter,
Speaker 2: no information was coming.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But yeah, yeah, I mean it's too bad. The
Speaker 1: stigma is something that we've you know, had to deal
Speaker 1: with for so long and still do a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean I was just, you know, I
Speaker 1: was in a group of people that would run this
Speaker 1: UAP crossfire and one of them just refused to have
Speaker 1: his name out there because he does you know, government contracts.
Speaker 1: He's a helicopter pilot, so you can't blame him. You know,
Speaker 1: he wants to remain anonymous, and it's too bad that
Speaker 1: has to that stigma has to be worried about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to begin, well.
Speaker 2: They have everything to lose if they break their you know,
Speaker 2: non disclosure agreements that they've signed, and they've taken security oaths.
Speaker 2: You know, my mom wasn't lying. She could have she
Speaker 2: could have gone to prison. I mean I had one
Speaker 2: guy from the D O D and I you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, this probably happens for you as well. Now
Speaker 2: that I'm sort of known as a UFO you know,
Speaker 2: expert or whatever, that there really are experts. I don't
Speaker 2: even know where they're coming from. You know, are they interstellar?
Speaker 2: Are they inter dimensional? It us from the future, is
Speaker 2: it us from the past. Is it something that evolved
Speaker 2: next to us? I don't know. I sort of think
Speaker 2: maybe it's a little bit of all the above. But
Speaker 2: I mean, you know where I've been doing this full
Speaker 2: time now for I mean for ten years. I do
Speaker 2: like working with MUFON and and they're you know, my
Speaker 2: mom was one of the reasons why I joined a
Speaker 2: mouf on, and I kind of took to UFO investigations
Speaker 2: like a fish to water. As long as my mom
Speaker 2: was still alive, there was that chance that I might
Speaker 2: get that golden ticket, that she might just tell me everything,
Speaker 2: and she might have. I mean, she apparently left a
Speaker 2: legal pad in Shorthand that was in a safe that
Speaker 2: my sister took when my mom passed away, and it
Speaker 2: was meant for me. My mom said, there's something for
Speaker 2: you in the safe if anything ever happens to me.
Speaker 3: You know that the.
Speaker 2: Safe combination is on the bottom. Just open it up
Speaker 2: and there's something for you in there. And apparently there
Speaker 2: was this costume jewelry. There weren't any IRA accounts or
Speaker 2: anything like that in there, and my sister just threw
Speaker 2: everything in the track apparently and used the safe as
Speaker 2: a gun safe. To my absolute horror and chagrin, she
Speaker 2: said that, well, there was a legal pad in there
Speaker 2: with mom's old scribbles in it, but it's probably grocery
Speaker 2: lists and work stuff, and so it just wound up
Speaker 2: going out with Monday's trash pickup. And I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe she did give me the golden ticket. I know
Speaker 2: now that she couldn't talk about it while she was alive,
Speaker 2: and she would give hints, but you know, usually nothing.
Speaker 2: I mean, I asked her about Bob Lazar. That story
Speaker 2: came out and I had like a magazine article or something.
Speaker 2: I was going, Mom, this sounds like one of your clients,
Speaker 2: one of the special guys that you get out to
Speaker 2: these companies. Do you ever hear this Bob Lazar guy?
Speaker 2: And she pulled her glasses down her nose and she
Speaker 2: looks at me and she says, Bob Lazer, that's not
Speaker 2: a real name. And she goes back to work. You know,
Speaker 2: she's working on something for Locke Eaters, somebody, you know.
Speaker 2: And she wasn't going to wasn't going to go there,
Speaker 2: wasn't going to say anything, and maybe it was in
Speaker 2: that notebook.
Speaker 3: So she passed away.
Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety nine, and I knew that was the end
Speaker 2: of you know, if I was going to find out
Speaker 2: any thing about this phenomenon, I was going to have
Speaker 2: to do it myself. I'd read books about it at
Speaker 2: that point, and people would contradict each other, and well,
Speaker 2: everybody can't be right. Everybody can't be wrong either, Who's
Speaker 2: you know what?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 2: And I heard about Moufon and that that's how I became.
Speaker 2: I found my state director at the time, and I
Speaker 2: started getting cases. You know, I passed the tests, read
Speaker 2: the handbook, and I've got over a thousand cases under
Speaker 2: my belt at this point, probably a thousand up to
Speaker 2: maybe a thousand three hundred. I mean, we got a lot,
Speaker 2: a lot of cases through the ER, which is the
Speaker 2: Experience or Resource team, and I'm on their executive committee,
Speaker 2: and we used to not keep track of those for
Speaker 2: move On and MoveOn's computer filing system, so there was
Speaker 2: a good at least two hundred of those cases that
Speaker 2: you know, on top of the thousand that you can
Speaker 2: see if you go into moovef on the CMS, the
Speaker 2: computer management program.
Speaker 3: That's what I do. I love it.
Speaker 1: Wow. In California, I know has you know, I think
Speaker 1: the majority of sightings, well, the population is a very
Speaker 1: high population, beautiful weather for the most part, so but
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of sightings. I was up
Speaker 1: in Marin County for nine years, but when I had
Speaker 1: my UFO siding, i lived there. My sighting was down
Speaker 1: in the Monterey area, you know, Carmel Valley area. That's
Speaker 1: what got me interested in it so, but when I
Speaker 1: left and I'm back here, it's funny in the town
Speaker 1: I was living, and people have contacted me from you know,
Speaker 1: in the Tibron and Sanrafel area and Marin County up there.
Speaker 3: I love that area.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a beautiful area. But I mean,
Speaker 1: there's so many sightings out there, and I'd like for
Speaker 1: you to talk about some of them if you, If
Speaker 1: you would, you know that you found really fascinating.
Speaker 3: Well, what I.
Speaker 2: Found fascinating was and I mean I get all manner
Speaker 2: of reports here, and you're correct, in southern California particularly,
Speaker 2: we have more UFO reports here than anywhere else in
Speaker 2: the world. Some of that may be because of the
Speaker 2: all the aerospace companies that we have here. It's definitely
Speaker 2: a hub for that. We have Edwards Air Force Base,
Speaker 2: You've got Plant forty two, that's Lockheed's Lockheeds facility in Palmdale.
Speaker 2: You've got Port WAINIMI, which they have a facility there.
Speaker 2: I don't know, well, people know about it, but it's
Speaker 2: not advertised like the one in Palmdale is. But so
Speaker 2: we have a lot of aerospace engineers and I get
Speaker 2: a lot of reports from aerospace engineers. One guy in
Speaker 2: one of those facilities. I'm not going to mention which one.
Speaker 4: I don't want to.
Speaker 2: Get him into trouble, but he does have a lot
Speaker 2: of engineers working under him, and he had a UFO
Speaker 2: siding with his parents. You're Edwards when he was a kid,
Speaker 2: and in his adulthood when he started working working for Lockheed,
Speaker 2: he began having incursions into his bedroom in the middle
Speaker 2: of the night by our little gray friends with the
Speaker 2: black eyes. And I'm finding that this is not a
Speaker 2: random thing that a lot of people, it seems either
Speaker 2: an officialdom or connected to national security or some of
Speaker 2: the alphabet organizations that are out there, seemed to be contacted.
Speaker 2: And one thing that I've noticed, well, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of black triangle sightings here. That is one thing that
Speaker 2: we have just an overabundance of. One guy was an
Speaker 2: aerospace engineer and he was near Plant forty two. He
Speaker 2: was coming back he'd worked late. He's coming back home
Speaker 2: about one thirty two am, and he sees the stars
Speaker 2: being blotted out in the sky, the very dark skies
Speaker 2: there you can see the milky Way, and suddenly there's
Speaker 2: a chunk of milky way that he can't see, and
Speaker 2: he's looking and it's this odd object stopped his car.
Speaker 2: He literally got out of his car to see better.
Speaker 2: And he said that a black triangle with three little lights,
Speaker 2: one on each corner, large light in the center, flew
Speaker 2: right over his car. He said that it was perfectly silent,
Speaker 2: that he felt discomfort when it was directly over him,
Speaker 2: sort of like a buzzing feeling over his body. And
Speaker 2: I've heard that recounted by many people. And he claimed
Speaker 2: to watch this thin land like a feather behind the
Speaker 2: gate of Plant forty two.
Speaker 3: Really yeah, now, And.
Speaker 2: This guy was a serious guy, and I you know,
Speaker 2: I'm talking to somebody like that. I want to see
Speaker 2: some id I want to see that, you know, they're
Speaker 2: not pulling my leg. And no, he was exactly who
Speaker 2: he said he was. And the way that conversation ended,
Speaker 2: you know, I told him a little bit about my
Speaker 2: mom's work, and he said, well, maybe your mom can
Speaker 2: get me onto that project, because I would love to
Speaker 2: work on that one. And I had to break it
Speaker 2: to him, I'm sorry, my mom passed away some years back.
Speaker 3: Maybe she could have back in the day, but I've had.
Speaker 2: It wasn't even a mouf on case. One gentleman I've
Speaker 2: known for years. We were both and we were talking
Speaker 2: about this before we went on air. He was another
Speaker 2: guy who kind of followed the band Yes around the
Speaker 2: progressive rock band, and I was friends with Yes's bass
Speaker 2: player Chris Squire, who sadly lost to leukemia about eight
Speaker 2: years ago. But he was driving his dad down the
Speaker 2: Pacific Coast Highway showing off as new convertible and he
Speaker 2: said that a black triangle flew right directly over their car.
Speaker 2: It was headed out towards the ocean. He said, it's
Speaker 2: perfectly silent, no visible means of propulsion that he could see.
Speaker 2: And I asked him how it made him feel, and
Speaker 2: he said, well, the way it made me feel is
Speaker 2: is if you gave me a team and gave me
Speaker 2: a budget, maybe I could crank one out for you
Speaker 2: in a few months. So there's that element to it.
Speaker 2: I do think that we have our own UFOs. I
Speaker 2: think that we've been working on it since the least
Speaker 2: the Roswell crash in nineteen forty seven. I would hope
Speaker 2: that we had made some advancements towards that technology in
Speaker 2: that long period of time. I'm kind of guessing we
Speaker 2: have our own UFOs. I don't think that we can
Speaker 2: do what they can do. As my friend who saw
Speaker 2: the craft on the PCH on the Pacific Coast Highway,
Speaker 2: he said, well, there are our UFOs and there are
Speaker 2: their UFOs, and their UFOs are very different from our UFOs.
Speaker 1: So yeah, a lot of people do have are speculating that.
Speaker 1: You know, some people say all the black triangles are ours,
Speaker 1: but you know, you don't hear a lot of people
Speaker 1: say that, And you know, I mean, do you think
Speaker 1: that here's here's the thing when you think about that?
Speaker 1: So do you think that they may have captured one
Speaker 1: or crashed one or whatever reverse engineered it to get
Speaker 1: it to work. But because there are you know, accounts
Speaker 1: of triangles like for instance, the Phoenix lights in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety seven that some people thought was you know, several
Speaker 1: thousand feet across, and so the question if if that
Speaker 1: in particular was ours, you know, how could they possibly
Speaker 1: house that.
Speaker 3: And hide it?
Speaker 1: I mean, are there ways they can tie the sink
Speaker 1: away somewhere?
Speaker 2: I mean they have hollowed out mountains like I know
Speaker 2: that John Lear, you know, said that he saw the
Speaker 2: side of a mountain open up. But John said a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff. Yeah, yes he did, so I don't know, yeah,
Speaker 2: but but.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Apparently, Well, one thing that we notice and there they're
Speaker 2: the opject that I think are maybe are hours. They're
Speaker 2: usually black, which I guess we would do to, you know,
Speaker 2: an espionage way. It's harder to see them at night.
Speaker 2: But for instance, my chief investigator in San Diego had
Speaker 2: never seen a UFO before, and I told them, we'll
Speaker 2: be careful. When you start poking at this phenomenon. It
Speaker 2: pokes back. It's a directive, you know. So he was
Speaker 2: driving past the coast near San Diego and it was
Speaker 2: maybe two months after he told me, I've never seen
Speaker 2: a UFO. I really want to. Well, he saw these
Speaker 2: four black diamond shaped objects that went racing again towards
Speaker 2: the ocean, and he said that when they were directly
Speaker 2: in front of him, and they were maybe two hundred
Speaker 2: feet away or so, they weren't real close, but they
Speaker 2: weren't real far either, he said that they began dissolving
Speaker 2: in mid air like they were using some kind of
Speaker 2: a camouflage cloaking mechanism. So maybe that's one way that
Speaker 2: we would hide them. And you know, if we had
Speaker 2: little cities under the desert, like my mom said that
Speaker 2: we did way back in the early nineteen sixties. It
Speaker 2: sounded like this facility my mom was in was established
Speaker 2: by that time.
Speaker 3: Well, what we have now and.
Speaker 2: You've heard the rumors, you know, there's rumors you know
Speaker 2: that we have, you know, the mag lev trains from
Speaker 2: the Pentagon to Edwards that could go back and forth
Speaker 2: within a couple hours or faster than that. And I
Speaker 2: can't tell. Yeah, I've never seen one. I've never been
Speaker 2: in one. I've never had anybody conferm it, but I've
Speaker 2: heard lots of rumors about it. So who knows what
Speaker 2: we have hidden? But if we suddenly displayed it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a little bit of lag going on
Speaker 1: here between us. And if you would, could you say
Speaker 1: if you have any extra windows open on your computer?
Speaker 1: Maybe sometimes that causes lagging. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I turned everything off and I even turned off our
Speaker 2: iOS devices in the house, So I'm not sure what's
Speaker 2: going on now.
Speaker 1: All right, that's fine, Okay, So getting back to where
Speaker 1: your mother was, what she explained was the underground city.
Speaker 1: Now she was able to access that because of working
Speaker 1: and her job, but it was a government facility. Is
Speaker 1: that what it was supposedly that?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I always just kind of figured it
Speaker 2: must have been. But recently, Katie Page, we were talking
Speaker 2: about the Mount Wilson ranch site and they found something
Speaker 2: that looked like a bunker that had been destroyed, and
Speaker 2: Howard used that as a little landing strip there, and
Speaker 2: the air sock was still there in the landing strip
Speaker 2: from way back when time period, and she's wondering there
Speaker 2: was there was like a pit where they intentionally buried
Speaker 2: lighting fixtures and all this stuff.
Speaker 3: Who knows.
Speaker 2: Maybe, I mean, Howard Hughes he could afford build his
Speaker 2: own facility, I suppose, but I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 2: my mom described it being massive. I think that if
Speaker 2: she had, you know, if it had just been like
Speaker 2: a small facility, she would have called it a town
Speaker 2: or something. But she said she called it city under
Speaker 2: the desert. And I've heard other people refer to our
Speaker 2: facilities that way as well. Apparently there's one that's in
Speaker 2: White Dands. A couple guys I know their father was
Speaker 2: a mucky muck in the Air Force, and we're talking
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty one. They had to take your kids to
Speaker 2: work day at the base, and he took the two
Speaker 2: sons that were you know, one was five years old
Speaker 2: and one was six.
Speaker 3: I think they.
Speaker 2: Had to take an elevator. There was an little bunker,
Speaker 2: he said, there was a guy with a side arm,
Speaker 2: and that was it. In an elevator and they went
Speaker 2: down and down in this elevator and the doors opened up,
Speaker 2: and it was computers as far as your eyes could see,
Speaker 2: the old style mainframe computers. Yes, so I don't know.
Speaker 2: I do know that Werner von Braun was stationed in
Speaker 2: White Sands, whether that was the same facility. My mom
Speaker 2: never mentioned computers, although she did know computers very well,
Speaker 2: and she didn't own a PC. She didn't have a
Speaker 2: computer at home. She learned that somewhere, you know. She
Speaker 2: was always teaching new secretaries how to use them computer
Speaker 2: systems back in the late seventies, early eighties. So who knows.
Speaker 2: I don't know, though, I but maybe Katie has found
Speaker 2: to Howard, maybe she's found the facility. Uh maybe it's
Speaker 2: all interconnected and honeycombed together, you know with mag lev trades, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that that I don't know. I've just now I'm now
Speaker 2: I'm tripping on you. But but who knows. I don't
Speaker 2: know where our UFOs end in their UFOs begin, although
Speaker 2: I will say, hey, I mean some of the cases
Speaker 2: that we have are very similar one to another, where
Speaker 2: you have trans medium flight from underwater to air to
Speaker 2: outer space. I don't know that we can do that.
Speaker 2: I think that surface tension is probably still an issue
Speaker 2: for us, that we can't just fly something directly into
Speaker 2: the ocean without winding up jelly on the ceiling. Although
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, if we've figured gravity out,
Speaker 2: maybe they've figured out how to protect people from that.
Speaker 2: But I had one case come in a commercial pilot
Speaker 2: you very used to doing. He used to fly the
Speaker 2: rout along the California coast, and he and this new
Speaker 2: wife and his brother in law were camping at Catalina,
Speaker 2: the east side of the island, kind of a remote campsite,
Speaker 2: primitive campsite there, And about twelve midnight he's sitting out
Speaker 2: there and he sees a circular spherical object self illuminated.
Speaker 2: The thing was gold in color, and this thing emerged
Speaker 2: from the water. He said he was very good at
Speaker 2: dead reckoning.
Speaker 3: He's a pilot.
Speaker 2: He said, this was directly like right between Catalina Island
Speaker 2: and the mainland, which was like seal beach area where
Speaker 2: they saw the tic tac right same area, very active area.
Speaker 2: I see the cases come in from there. But he
Speaker 2: watched this thing go into the air. He said it
Speaker 2: was three hundred feet across and it did like a
Speaker 2: sideway's crosswise his dance in the air. It hung there
Speaker 2: in the air, and he's yelling at his wife and
Speaker 2: his brother in law to come out. Well, they come
Speaker 2: out of their tents and this thing re submerges. He
Speaker 2: thought that they missed the whole show, and he's trying
Speaker 2: to explain the whole.
Speaker 3: Thing to them.
Speaker 2: When it re emerges, it comes out again, that's the
Speaker 2: same thing. And it was massive, golden colored, no markings,
Speaker 2: no American flag, no portholes. I mean, who builds something
Speaker 2: like that? And again it did this crosswise dance. It
Speaker 2: hung there in the air just to look at me,
Speaker 2: and then it shot off into two different directions. It
Speaker 2: split into two spheres like mitosis. There were suddenly two
Speaker 2: of them, and they both shot up out of the
Speaker 2: atmosphere and they just stood there and the brother in
Speaker 2: law brought out the binoculars, did not bring his iPhone
Speaker 2: with him.
Speaker 3: The reception was.
Speaker 2: Not good there apparently, and it was left in the
Speaker 2: freaking tent. And that's usually, you know, that's what happens.
Speaker 2: Why would this pilot go on record and talk about this.
Speaker 2: You know that if this gets out and his name
Speaker 2: gets out, he could be grounded, He could be flying
Speaker 2: a desk for the rest of his career, right, But
Speaker 2: it was very important to him. He wanted somebody to
Speaker 2: know about this. And I might have questioned it more,
Speaker 2: except you know, all three went on record that saw it,
Speaker 2: and I have similar cases.
Speaker 3: I mean, I had a boat captain with a.
Speaker 2: Fishing boat where his crew they were huddled and afraid,
Speaker 2: like they were seeing Jehovah, you know, the same thing.
Speaker 2: It was like a second moon was in the sky,
Speaker 2: but it was hovering right over their tuna boat and
Speaker 2: the guys were literally cowering on the deck. They were afraid.
Speaker 2: It was huge and the same thing they shot saw
Speaker 2: this thing shoot off, and that guy would talk. You know,
Speaker 2: I had to call up the company that he worked
Speaker 2: for to get a hold of him.
Speaker 3: He wasn't going to give.
Speaker 2: His own phone number, so I you know, I know
Speaker 2: it was a fishing company and he was who he
Speaker 2: said he was, and very afraid to talk about it
Speaker 2: even on you know, I mean, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 2: maybe he has reason to be afraid to talk about it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: But a lot of activity off the coast here right now.
Speaker 1: One in particular, did that come out of the water. Yes, wow,
Speaker 1: So two of them out of the water.
Speaker 2: That's they're trans medium, you know. And I don't know
Speaker 2: that we can do that maybe, But you have a
Speaker 2: three hundred foot across object that doesn't sound like a
Speaker 2: drone of any kind to me, that sounds like something
Speaker 2: that would be piloted. I mean, maybe I'm being anthropomorphic
Speaker 2: in my presuppositions there. Maybe they'd like to create golden
Speaker 2: three hundred foot spheres as observation drones.
Speaker 3: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: You know, do you know what year that was approximately?
Speaker 2: It was about five years ago. Okay, it was two
Speaker 2: years after the fact when he was his wife had
Speaker 2: they'd had a baby recently, and he was on leave
Speaker 2: from work and that's when he that's that's when he
Speaker 2: put his report in.
Speaker 1: Now, in the mid sixties, I had someone contact me
Speaker 1: from Oakland. He lived in Oakland and he went to
Speaker 1: school there in the mid sixties, there was a gold object.
Speaker 1: It was a gold structured object. He said it was
Speaker 1: so bright with the sun glinting off of it that
Speaker 1: he had to turn away, you know, and his whole
Speaker 1: you know, school people, other people at school saw it
Speaker 1: out in the playground when they're on the playground. So
Speaker 1: you occasionally hear about the gold ones. And there was
Speaker 1: another one, I want to say in South America that
Speaker 1: was gold as well. But you don't hear a lot
Speaker 1: of the cases where there's the gold.
Speaker 2: I've seen one UFO and it was an ugly ufo.
Speaker 2: Leave it to me to see a still garbage scal
Speaker 2: but it was all mine. I think I was targeted. Well,
Speaker 2: you know, I wasn't very last time we spoke, I
Speaker 2: wasn't talking about my own experience very much.
Speaker 3: But my wife and.
Speaker 2: Myself we had a visitation like almost ten years ago,
Speaker 2: and it was when I joined MUFON. I had been
Speaker 2: taking cases for about maybe four to six months at
Speaker 2: the time, and I was trying that five thing. But
Speaker 2: it wasn't good enough for me to see a little
Speaker 2: light in the sky. I was sending out a meditative message,
Speaker 2: I want to meet you guys. I didn't designate who
Speaker 2: it could have been reptilians and getting it.
Speaker 3: Could have been anybody.
Speaker 2: And we had an incursion into our bedroom, the little
Speaker 2: gray guys, and they paralyzed me.
Speaker 3: I got the whole.
Speaker 2: Treat and the room flooded with blue light. The sounds,
Speaker 2: external sounds from the house you couldn't hear. The oz
Speaker 2: effect was fully in play where time seemed strange, sounds
Speaker 2: were muffled. We had crickets and the rafters normally we
Speaker 2: had a concerto going on up there their old house. Well,
Speaker 2: the crickets were perfectly silent, and then this very dramatic
Speaker 2: thing happened where it was, for lack of better better
Speaker 2: expression for it.
Speaker 3: You know, I think that they opened something like.
Speaker 4: A portal or a wormhole up and then they came,
Speaker 4: and I was scared to death, and my wife thought
Speaker 4: that I had lost my mind as she slept through
Speaker 4: the whole thing, where they had her sleep through the
Speaker 4: whole thing.
Speaker 2: And I was embarrassed, you know, because I was screaming
Speaker 2: and yelling and yelling about aliens coming into the room.
Speaker 2: And her attitude was, oh my god, you've joined this
Speaker 2: crazy outfit, you know, this movement thing, and now you're
Speaker 2: yelling about aliens. And two nights later she went through
Speaker 2: the exact same thing. She was the one waking me
Speaker 2: up and shaking me, and she was mad, and that
Speaker 2: was her first reaction. She was angry. It was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, you need to tell your little friends
Speaker 2: they need to.
Speaker 3: Leave us alone.
Speaker 2: You know, I had sign up for this. Two nights
Speaker 2: after that, we both woke up again. There was that
Speaker 2: blue glow in our room. It was a light with
Speaker 2: a with no source. Quietude again, but this time there
Speaker 2: was light coming from the Venetian blinds, you know. It
Speaker 2: was just and I pulled them up. She's on the
Speaker 2: left hand side, I'm on the right, and it was
Speaker 2: like God was shining a spotlight on our backyard. It
Speaker 2: was not a police helicopter, that would be the first
Speaker 2: thing I'd think of.
Speaker 3: No sound.
Speaker 2: It was like a laser light, not like your normal spotlight.
Speaker 2: It's like the light didn't diffuse on the ends of things.
Speaker 2: You could see every little shadow of every little leaf.
Speaker 2: It was like it was just perfect silhouette of it
Speaker 2: cut out in shadow on the ground. And we got
Speaker 2: my wife and I got a telepathic message. No communication
Speaker 2: from these guys until the third night and the third night,
Speaker 2: the communication we got was either a cosmic joke or
Speaker 2: a lie.
Speaker 3: I like to think of it as a joke.
Speaker 2: They were ribbing me or messing with me because I'm
Speaker 2: trying to figure out what's going on. I'm thinking, is
Speaker 2: it a porch light? Is it just grasping for straws?
Speaker 2: And my wife and I heard at the same time
Speaker 2: in our heads, don't worry, it's just the neighbor's porch light.
Speaker 3: And we both busted up.
Speaker 2: We were laughing so hard, and we said in unison,
Speaker 2: my wife and I is like, that's no blankety blank
Speaker 2: porch light.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Some of that. He was writing this about the
Speaker 1: same time you are talking about it. He says that
Speaker 1: he had beams of blue light around his house twice
Speaker 1: in twenty twelve, all times three am.
Speaker 2: They do that, they do that. I call it God's spotlight.
Speaker 2: I needed to term for it because I have so
Speaker 2: many cases come in like that. One young woman in
Speaker 2: Desert Hot Springs had a similar thing happened to her
Speaker 2: middle of nowhere, and it seems like it's almost like
Speaker 2: an initiation into contact. She started having visitations after that.
Speaker 2: At one point she found her rings crushed against her
Speaker 2: finger like she had to go to a jeweler to
Speaker 2: get them, you know, off of her fingers, like something
Speaker 2: had gone wrong, or you know, somehow they had crushed
Speaker 2: her rings against her fingers. But it is a personal phenomenon.
Speaker 2: For a long time, I was encouraged to not talk
Speaker 2: about this because MUFON is kind of you know, we're
Speaker 2: still very nuts and bolts about this stuff, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean we're you know, you can't technically use a
Speaker 2: scientific method, you can't repeat an experiment, right, but you
Speaker 2: could be scientific about it. And plus I was afraid
Speaker 2: of the ridicule factor. I mean, people don't necessarily know
Speaker 2: my work or know how reliable of a source I am.
Speaker 2: But I feel like I am supposed to tell people
Speaker 2: what happened. I did tell all my field investigators. You know,
Speaker 2: we mentor our people when we have a new field investigator,
Speaker 2: and I would take them aside and kind of whisper whisper,
Speaker 2: you know, just for your own edification. And you know
Speaker 2: a little caveat that this phenomenon, when you poke at it,
Speaker 2: it pokes back. It's interactive. So don't be surprised if
Speaker 2: you see a UFO or if you have, you know,
Speaker 2: experienced beings because it happens, and I've seen it happen
Speaker 2: to a lot of my people that work under me
Speaker 2: at Moufon.
Speaker 3: That is a thing.
Speaker 1: When you had your experience, would you say that you
Speaker 1: felt like you were abducted or just observed or exam.
Speaker 2: They did a house call as far as I know,
Speaker 2: they didn't take me anywhere, so they apparently still do
Speaker 2: house calls, or doctors don't, but they do. Apparently they
Speaker 2: may have taken me somewhere, but I don't have any
Speaker 2: recollection of that. I've never been hypnotically regressed. I might
Speaker 2: do it someday, just in case I'm forgetting something like that,
Speaker 2: But the time all seems to be, you know fit.
Speaker 2: What I remember that they came in, They took blood
Speaker 2: from me. They took energy from me, which maybe was
Speaker 2: the same thing as taking blood. They took a lot
Speaker 2: of blood, to the point where it scared me. I
Speaker 2: thought that they were going to exanguinate me like a
Speaker 2: cow that they you know, one of the cows they
Speaker 2: find out your skin walk or ranch or something. But no,
Speaker 2: they apparently won in my DNA and they took it
Speaker 2: and they went the same way they came in no communication.
Speaker 1: You knew this miscommon was going to happen, right.
Speaker 2: It's from Drid Cold. I heard about all about you too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: very cool.
Speaker 1: So hey, uh, you know, I guess I have to
Speaker 1: ask you this. When this happened to you, did you
Speaker 1: feel you know, people always talk about implants. That's the
Speaker 1: second the first question. The second part of that is
Speaker 1: do you you and your wife talk about it now?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we do.
Speaker 2: It's hard for her to talk about it.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: And and I think I'm more comfortable with it than
Speaker 2: she is. But if somebody starts saying stuff against the
Speaker 2: UFO phenomena or starts laughing and rolling their eyes, she's
Speaker 2: like Mama lion right there, and she'll tell them, now,
Speaker 2: this is real, and you're very shortsighted making fun of
Speaker 2: this phenomenon. That astronauts, politicians and doctors and scientists and
Speaker 2: the caliber of people that are you know, have had
Speaker 2: the same experience that I'm recounting to you right now.
Speaker 2: Is kind of incredible. But a lot of us have
Speaker 2: had contact. It is a thing, and maybe this is
Speaker 2: how they do disclosure. We were talking about that before
Speaker 2: we went on air too. You know, It's like, who
Speaker 2: is going to do disclosure. We don't have a Walter
Speaker 2: Cronkite anymore, right, nobody. She's going to believe any politician
Speaker 2: that goes up, they're going to say they're trying to
Speaker 2: change the subject, you know, not look at the economy
Speaker 2: or something. But I you know, if our visitors wanted
Speaker 2: to disclose worldwide, they could do it. They're perfectly capable
Speaker 2: of doing that. Sure, but I think that they sort
Speaker 2: of like the scenario that they have. It's kind of
Speaker 2: and I heard Loue Elizondo and I'm so thrilled you're
Speaker 2: going to have them.
Speaker 3: On next week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 2: But I heard him say that the abduct program that
Speaker 2: that our visitors have is really no different than the
Speaker 2: way that we would treat a pride of lions that
Speaker 2: we were studying in the jungle. You know, you hover
Speaker 2: over them with a helicopter, you tranquilize them, you tag them, uh,
Speaker 2: and you keep track of them, and then maybe you
Speaker 2: do it again a year later. And it seems like
Speaker 2: that's the pattern.
Speaker 1: So right, you know, I got to tell you, if
Speaker 1: I if I had you are describing what happened to you,
Speaker 1: I would be really scared to talk about it myself.
Speaker 1: I would, you know, I guess me a while even
Speaker 1: you know, doing the show, I would be scared that
Speaker 1: I'd be totally judged and uh but but anyway, I
Speaker 1: just I don't know if I would do it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I had what I consider some type of polterge encounter.
Speaker 1: I swore that I would never tell anyone, And I've
Speaker 1: told it a couple of times already, so you know.
Speaker 3: What I mean talking about it, you know.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's right. But as you get older, I
Speaker 1: think too for myself, you care unless what you know
Speaker 1: people think about you, or at least I say I do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't care anymore.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is this happened to me, It happened
Speaker 2: to my wife and I the people that I speak
Speaker 2: with that have gone through the same thing.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: I hear the similar stories so often, and so many
Speaker 2: of the details and markers are similar that I can
Speaker 2: even kind of see the psychology of our visitors.
Speaker 3: And that's why I.
Speaker 2: Think it was kind of a joke when they said
Speaker 2: it's the neighbor's porch light. It was so absurd bade
Speaker 2: us laugh. But it's a personal phenomenon. And I'm comfortable
Speaker 2: talking about it. I wasn't last time I was on
Speaker 2: your show. I wasn't talking about that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Know, I understand, And you know, I mean, what do
Speaker 1: you suppose We've only got about three or four minutes
Speaker 1: here left? But what would you suppose in your thoughts
Speaker 1: of what they might want when you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: what would they want with you? I guess you know
Speaker 1: that family.
Speaker 2: It runs in. Families are interested in certain bloodlines. My
Speaker 2: mom had what I consider a contact incident when she
Speaker 2: was sixteen with an intelligent fireball like a foo fighter.
Speaker 2: She referred to it as ball lightning, but it wasn't
Speaker 2: ball lightning.
Speaker 3: It was you know.
Speaker 2: Her experience lasted like seven eight minutes, and this thing
Speaker 2: came into their screened in porch. It looked at her sister,
Speaker 2: went in front of my mom, went back out through
Speaker 2: the screen, and my mom ran after it into the
Speaker 2: middle of the neighbor's cornfield and it waited for like
Speaker 2: a puppy dog. Ball lightning doesn't do that. It waited
Speaker 2: till she was right under it, and then it popped
Speaker 2: like a soap bubble. So I guess it runs in
Speaker 2: the family.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, wow.
Speaker 1: Wow. So your your show is on this KT network.
Speaker 2: From Contact Radio is going to be.
Speaker 1: Right after and that's coming right up here on kg
Speaker 1: R A Radio. So it's been a real pleasure or
Speaker 1: all the time always flies by with you. And what
Speaker 1: we're going to do here is I'm going to play
Speaker 1: your It's a song called Seventh Sister, I believe that's
Speaker 1: what it's called. And I'm just playing a fraction of it.
Speaker 1: It's only playing two minutes and thirty seconds of it.
Speaker 1: But the full song is in the show notes for
Speaker 1: anyone that listens to the audio show here, and it's
Speaker 1: also down in the text below and YouTube. So thank
Speaker 1: you so much.
Speaker 2: Earl, Thank you Martin.
Speaker 1: All right, and we'll be talking soon. Take care, all right, everyone,
Speaker 1: So don't forget this week. We have coming up just
Speaker 1: on Thursday night, the molasses disaster in Boston, really very interesting.
Speaker 1: If you like history, you're going to like that podcast.
Speaker 1: And next week we have Luelosondo. And here's the song
Speaker 1: right here by Earl, a great musician and singer. Here
Speaker 1: it goes.
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Speaker 5: For realis started. Crown arches over the pugeon, Sell the
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Speaker 1: Where is my locking?
Speaker 5: Start to seven, sister of the play barks in beauty
Speaker 5: you like I told that it's been darken as my
Speaker 5: look starts a point that