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<v Speaker 1>For decades, people have disappeared in the woods without a trace.

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<v Speaker 1>Some blame wild animals, others whisper of creatures the world

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<v Speaker 1>refuses to believe in. But those who have survived they

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<v Speaker 1>know the truth. Welcome to Backwoods Bigfoot Stories, where we

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<v Speaker 1>share real encounters with the things lurking in the darkness bigfoot,

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<v Speaker 1>dog man UFOs, and creatures that defy explanation. Some make

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<v Speaker 1>it out, others aren't so lucky. Are you ready, because

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<v Speaker 1>once you hear these stories, you'll never walk in the

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<v Speaker 1>woods alone again. So grab your flashlight, stay close, and

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<v Speaker 1>remember some things in the woods don't want to be found.

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<v Speaker 1>My granddad died on a Thursday morning in March of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty and nineteen, and he took sixty years of silence

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<v Speaker 1>with him, almost all of it. Anyway. He'd cracked the

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<v Speaker 1>door open for me over the last decade of his life,

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<v Speaker 1>told me things he'd never told another living soul except

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<v Speaker 1>his brother Vernon. And I've been sitting on all of

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<v Speaker 1>it since the funeral. I'm not sitting on it anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>My name's Caleb. I'm thirty four. I lived just outside

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<v Speaker 1>of Hazzard, Kentucky, and I need to tell you what

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<v Speaker 1>happened on the ridge behind my granddad's tobacco farm, because

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<v Speaker 1>he can't tell it himself, and it deserves to be heard.

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<v Speaker 1>He earned that much. His name was Harold. Everybody called

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<v Speaker 1>him that, Not Hal, not Harry, just Harold. He was

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<v Speaker 1>born in nineteen thirty three in Perry County, Kentucky, grew

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<v Speaker 1>up harder than most people today could even imagine, and

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<v Speaker 1>spent his whole life working tobacco, raising cattle, and keeping

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<v Speaker 1>a piece of land that had been in our family

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<v Speaker 1>since before the Civil War. He was about five foot ten,

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<v Speaker 1>built like a cinder block, and had hands that looked

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<v Speaker 1>like they'd been carved out of hickory root. He didn't

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<v Speaker 1>go past eighth grade in school, but he was one

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<v Speaker 1>of the sharpest people I've ever known. He could tell

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<v Speaker 1>you what the weather was going to do three days

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<v Speaker 1>out just by watching the way the crows flew in

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<v Speaker 1>the evening. He could look at a cow and tell

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<v Speaker 1>you within a day or two when she'd calve. He

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<v Speaker 1>knew that land better than anyone alive. Every hollow every spring,

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<v Speaker 1>every deer trail, every rock shell. That's what makes what

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<v Speaker 1>happened to him so unsettling, because whatever was on that

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<v Speaker 1>ridge behind his farm, it didn't belong to any world

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<v Speaker 1>he understood. Let me set the geography for you, because

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<v Speaker 1>it matters. Granddad's farm sat in a narrow valley along

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<v Speaker 1>a creek called Pigeon Roost, which fed into the North

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<v Speaker 1>Fork of the Kentucky River. The bottom land was maybe

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<v Speaker 1>sixty acres of workable ground, tobacco, corn, a little hay,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was hemmed in on both sides by steep,

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<v Speaker 1>heavily wooded ridges. The one to the east behind the

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<v Speaker 1>house was the one that mattered. Locals just called it

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<v Speaker 1>Briar Ridge, though I've never found that name on any map.

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<v Speaker 1>It climbed up maybe seven or eight hundred feet from

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<v Speaker 1>the creek, bottom thick with cedar and poplar and oak,

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<v Speaker 1>choked with laurel thickets so dense you'd have to crawl

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<v Speaker 1>on your hands and knees to get through some of them.

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<v Speaker 1>There was one old logging road that switched backed up

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<v Speaker 1>to the top, but it hadn't been maintained since the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forties and was more gully than road. By the

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<v Speaker 1>time I was a kid, Beyond that ridge there was nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>no houses, no roads, no power lines, just miles and

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<v Speaker 1>miles of unbroken timber rolling all the way into Nott

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<v Speaker 1>County wild country, the kind of ground where a man

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<v Speaker 1>could walk for two days and never cross a fence line.

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<v Speaker 1>Granddad's house sat about three hundred yards from the base

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<v Speaker 1>of that ridge. Between the house and the tree line,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a lower pasture where he kept a few

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<v Speaker 1>head of cattle, a tobacco barn, a corn crib, and

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<v Speaker 1>an old board fence that had been there in one

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<v Speaker 1>form or another since his daddy's time. The creek ran

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<v Speaker 1>along the north edge of the property, and there was

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<v Speaker 1>a crossing, just a shallow spot with flat rocks, where

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<v Speaker 1>the cattle would go to water, and where Granddad would

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<v Speaker 1>cross if he ever needed to get to the lower

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<v Speaker 1>hollow on the other side. I'm telling you all of

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<v Speaker 1>this because I want you to understand the layout. The

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<v Speaker 1>house was not remote by Appalachian standards. It was maybe

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<v Speaker 1>four miles from the nearest paved road, and there were

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<v Speaker 1>a few other families scattered along Pigeon Roost, though nobody

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<v Speaker 1>was what you'd call close, but that ridge behind the farm,

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<v Speaker 1>that was another world entirely now. Granddad told me these

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<v Speaker 1>things across many conversations over many years, mostly when I

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<v Speaker 1>was in my late teens and twenties. He'd bring it

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<v Speaker 1>up on his own terms, usually late in the evening

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<v Speaker 1>when we were sitting on the porch or when we'd

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<v Speaker 1>be out in the truck together. He never told the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing start to finish. It came in pieces, and

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes he'd contradict himself on details dates exactly which year

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<v Speaker 1>something happened. But the core of it never changed, not once,

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<v Speaker 1>and the look on his face when he talked about

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<v Speaker 1>it never changed either. It was the look of a

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<v Speaker 1>man who had seen something that had rearranged his understanding

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<v Speaker 1>of the world, and who had never fully put it

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<v Speaker 1>back together. I should tell you a little more about

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<v Speaker 1>Granddad before I get into the meat of this, because

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<v Speaker 1>I think you need to know the kind of man

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<v Speaker 1>he was to understand what this cost him. He was

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<v Speaker 1>a man of routine and order. He ate the same

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<v Speaker 1>breakfast every morning, two eggs over easy, a biscuit with

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<v Speaker 1>butter and sorghum, and black coffee strong enough to strip paint.

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<v Speaker 1>He read his Bible every night before bed, not in

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<v Speaker 1>a showy way, just quietly, the same way he did everything.

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<v Speaker 1>He kept his tools clean and hung on pegs in

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<v Speaker 1>the barn, in the exact same arrangement his father had used.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't drink except for a little moonshine on Christmas Eve,

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<v Speaker 1>and he didn't gamble, and he didn't chase women. He

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<v Speaker 1>went to church every Sunday morning at the Pigeon Roost

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<v Speaker 1>Regular Baptist Church, wearing the same brown suit he'd bought

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen fifty eight. He was a man who had

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<v Speaker 1>organized his life around predictability and hard work, and when

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<v Speaker 1>something came along that didn't fit into that system, it

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<v Speaker 1>shook him in ways that I don't think he ever

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<v Speaker 1>fully recovered from. My grandmother was the opposite in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of ways. Doris was talkative, warm, superstitious in the

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<v Speaker 1>way that mountain women of her generation tended to be.

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<v Speaker 1>She'd throw salt over her shoulder, she wouldn't let you

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<v Speaker 1>open an umbrella indoors, and she believed absolutely in signs

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<v Speaker 1>and poort tents. She grew up hearing stories about hats

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<v Speaker 1>and jacktails and things that lived in the deep woods,

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<v Speaker 1>and she took them all at face value. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's part of why Granddad didn't share more with her

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<v Speaker 1>in the early years. He knew she'd believe him, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was afraid that her belief would make it more

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<v Speaker 1>real than he was ready for it to be. He

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<v Speaker 1>told me it started in the fall of nineteen sixty two.

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<v Speaker 1>He would have been twenty nine years old. He and

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<v Speaker 1>Doris had been married about seven years by then, and

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<v Speaker 1>they had three kids, my dad who was five, my

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<v Speaker 1>was still a baby. It was late October and Granddad

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<v Speaker 1>was finishing up the last of the tobacco harvest. If

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<v Speaker 1>you know anything about Burley tobacco, you know that's a

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<v Speaker 1>brutal stretch of work. You're cutting, spearing, hanging, and stripping

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<v Speaker 1>end of it, your hands are black with gum and

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<v Speaker 1>your back feels like it's been beaten with a pipe.

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<v Speaker 1>Granddad was working that hard, and he was tired, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's important because for a long time afterward he tried

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<v Speaker 1>to tell himself that what he was seeing was just

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<v Speaker 1>exhaustion playing tricks on him. The first thing he noticed

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't dramatic. He came out one morning to check the

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<v Speaker 1>cattle in the lower pasture and found that three fence

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<v Speaker 1>posts along the back line, the ones closest to the ridge,

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<v Speaker 1>had been pushed loose, not broken or knocked over, pushed.

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<v Speaker 1>They were leaning inward toward the pasture at about a

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<v Speaker 1>forty five degree angle, and the dirt around the base

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<v Speaker 1>of each one was disturbed, like something had grabbed them

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<v Speaker 1>and just shoved. He figured a bear had done it.

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<v Speaker 1>They had black bears in that country, always had, and

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<v Speaker 1>a bear leaning on a fence post could certainly push

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<v Speaker 1>it over. He didn't think much of it. He tamped

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<v Speaker 1>the posts back in, restrung the wire, and went on

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<v Speaker 1>about his business. But then it happened again about two

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<v Speaker 1>weeks later, same section of fence, same three posts, and

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<v Speaker 1>two more Besides. This time one of the posts had

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<v Speaker 1>actually been pulled clean out of the ground and was

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<v Speaker 1>lying in the grass about ten feet from where it

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<v Speaker 1>had stood. Granddad told me that was the first time

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<v Speaker 1>he felt a little prickle at the back of his neck.

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<v Speaker 1>Because a bear doesn't pull a post out of the

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<v Speaker 1>ground and carry it somewhere. A bear pushes leans rubs.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't grip and yank, but again he told himself

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<v Speaker 1>it had to be a bear, because what else was there.

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<v Speaker 1>He reset the posts, this time sinking the deeper and

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<v Speaker 1>tamping the dirt harder, and he started watching that back

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<v Speaker 1>fence line more carefully around the same time, and he

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't pin down exactly which came first. His mule started

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<v Speaker 1>acting wrong. Granddad had an old sorrow mule named Jack

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<v Speaker 1>that he used for plowing and hauling and just about

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<v Speaker 1>everything else. Jack was the most unflappable animal he'd ever owned.

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<v Speaker 1>He said that mule wouldn't spook if you set off

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<v Speaker 1>a stick of dynamite next to him. But that fall

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<v Speaker 1>Jack started refusing to go near the tree line. Granddad

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<v Speaker 1>would try to ride him up to the back pasture,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jack would plant his feet and lock his legs

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<v Speaker 1>and would not go. His ears would lay flat, and

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<v Speaker 1>he'd roll his eyes until you could see the whites,

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<v Speaker 1>and he'd make this low groaning sound that Granddad said

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<v Speaker 1>he'd never heard from a mule before, or since it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a bray, it was deeper, more guttural, like the

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<v Speaker 1>sound was coming from somewhere in his chest rather than

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<v Speaker 1>force the issue and would just tie Jack off off

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<v Speaker 1>at the tobacco barn and walked the rest of the

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<v Speaker 1>way on foot. Then came the Prince. The first frost

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<v Speaker 1>of the season came on November third, nineteen sixty two.

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<v Speaker 1>Granddad remembered the date because it was a Saturday and

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<v Speaker 1>he'd been planning to strip tobacco that morning, but decided

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<v Speaker 1>to check on a heifer that was close to calving

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<v Speaker 1>before he started. He walked out to the lower pasture

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<v Speaker 1>at first light, and there in the frost, running in

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<v Speaker 1>a line from the tree line to the creek crossing

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<v Speaker 1>and back again were footprints. They were bare, no shoe,

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<v Speaker 1>no boot, barefoot prints pressed deep into the frost covered ground,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were enormous. Granddad said. He put his own

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<v Speaker 1>boot down next to one, and the print was half

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<v Speaker 1>again as long and nearly twice as wide. He wore

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<v Speaker 1>a size ten. He described the Prince as looking almost human,

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<v Speaker 1>with distinct toes and a heel, but the proportions were wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>The toes were thicker and more splayed, like they were

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<v Speaker 1>designed for gripping uneven ground, and the stride between Prince

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<v Speaker 1>was annoying. Five feet or more. The prince sank deep,

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<v Speaker 1>too deeper than his boots did, which meant whatever left

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<v Speaker 1>them was far heavier than he was. He squatted there

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<v Speaker 1>in the cold and studied those tracks for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>He told me he counted fourteen of them going down

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<v Speaker 1>to the creek and fourteen coming back, each one perfectly placed,

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<v Speaker 1>like whatever made them knew exactly where it was stepping.

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<v Speaker 1>small things that kept piling up. He found a place

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<v Speaker 1>heap and died. It wasn't constant. It came in waves,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was strongest in the evenings. He said, you

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<v Speaker 1>He'd dressed deer, he'd scraped hides, he'd cleaned out chicken

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<v Speaker 1>It had a thickness to it, he said, like it

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<v Speaker 1>He'd catch a whiff of it and his stomach would

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<v Speaker 1>turn and he'd know that something had been through there recently,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe within the hour. The evening he saw the figure

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<v Speaker 1>on the ridge was November twenty first, nineteen sixty two,

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<v Speaker 1>a Wednesday. He remembered it specifically because President Kennedy was

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<v Speaker 1>and my grandmother had been listening to the news about

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<v Speaker 1>the trip on the radio. That morning, he went out

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<v Speaker 1>She still hadn't calved, and he was getting worried, And

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<v Speaker 1>was already behind the mountain, so the ridgeline was back

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<v Speaker 1>lit with that thin orange light you get in late

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<v Speaker 1>autumn when the days have gotten short, and standing right

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<v Speaker 1>up there at the top, maybe four hundred yards away,

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<v Speaker 1>was a figure. Granddad told me he stopped walking and

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<v Speaker 1>just stared. The figure was standing between two cedar trees,

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<v Speaker 1>partially screened by the branches, and it was tall, not

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<v Speaker 1>just tall the way a big man is tall. Tall

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that was wrong. He said it had

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<v Speaker 1>to be over seven feet, maybe closer to eight, because

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<v Speaker 1>the lower branches of those seedars were well above head

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<v Speaker 1>height for a normal person, and this thing's shoulders were

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<v Speaker 1>up among them. It was dark in color, he couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>tell if that was hair or skin or clothing, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was standing absolutely perfectly still, not shifting its weight,

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<v Speaker 1>not moving its head, not swaying the way a living

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<v Speaker 1>thing does when it's standing in one place. It was

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<v Speaker 1>like it had been carved out of the ridge line itself.

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<v Speaker 1>He watched it for what he guessed was about two minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>though he admitted it could have been less. Time does

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<v Speaker 1>strange things when you're scared. He said. The figure never moved,

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<v Speaker 1>not even a little, and he never saw it blink

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<v Speaker 1>or turn or adjust. It was just there, standing facing

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<v Speaker 1>down hill, facing him. Stay tuned for more Backwoods bigfoot stories.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be back after these messages. He couldn't make out

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<v Speaker 1>features at that distance, not in that light, but he

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<v Speaker 1>said the shape of it was unmistakable. It was built

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<v Speaker 1>like a man, but heavier, thicker, with shoulders that seemed

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<v Speaker 1>impossibly wide, and a head that sat forward on its

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<v Speaker 1>neck like it was hunched or crouching slightly, even while

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<v Speaker 1>standing upright, he told me, and I'll never forget the

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<v Speaker 1>way he said it, Caleb. It looked like somebody had

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<v Speaker 1>taken a man and just made him more, more of everything,

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<v Speaker 1>more height, more shoulders, more weight, like God had started

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<v Speaker 1>making a person and didn't know when to stop. He

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<v Speaker 1>backed up slowly until he was behind the tobacco barn,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he turned and walked fast back to the house.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't run, because some instinct told him that running

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<v Speaker 1>would be the wrong thing to do. He locked the

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<v Speaker 1>doors that night, which was something he never did. My

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<v Speaker 1>grandmother asked him why, and he told her he'd seen

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<v Speaker 1>a bear on the ridge and didn't want to take

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<v Speaker 1>any chances. She accepted that without question. Bears were part

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<v Speaker 1>of life up there. Now, Brian, I want to pause

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<v Speaker 1>here and tell you something about my granddad's character, because

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<v Speaker 1>it matters for understanding why this story played out the

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<v Speaker 1>way it did. Harold was not a fearful man. He

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<v Speaker 1>grew up during the Depression in one of the poorest

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<v Speaker 1>counties in the poorest state in the country. He worked

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<v Speaker 1>underground in the coal mines for two years. When he

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<v Speaker 1>was barely seventeen before he decided he'd rather starve on

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<v Speaker 1>the farm than die in a hole. He hunted alone

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<v Speaker 1>in those mountains his entire life, slept on the ground

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<v Speaker 1>in weather that would kill most people, and once killed

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<v Speaker 1>a copperhead with his bare hands because he didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>time to find a stick. The man was hard in

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<v Speaker 1>ways that don't exist anymore. So when I tell you

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<v Speaker 1>that something on that ridge scared him, genuinely, deeply scared him,

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<v Speaker 1>I need you to understand what that means. It means

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<v Speaker 1>something fundamental about the world he thought he knew had

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<v Speaker 1>shifted underneath him, and he couldn't get his footing back.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't see the figure again for several weeks after that,

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<v Speaker 1>but the other activity continued. In early December, he started

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<v Speaker 1>hearing things at night. The first time was a sound

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<v Speaker 1>that woke him out of a dead sleep. He described

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<v Speaker 1>it as a single, sharp crack that echoed off the ridges.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a gunshot, not a tree falling, but something striking

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<v Speaker 1>wood against wood, like someone had taken a baseball bat

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<v Speaker 1>and swung it as hard as they could against the

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<v Speaker 1>trunk of a tree. It was loud enough that it

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<v Speaker 1>rattled the glass in the bedroom window. He lay there

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<v Speaker 1>in the dark and listened, and about thirty seconds later

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<v Speaker 1>it came again from the same direction up on the ridge.

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<v Speaker 1>Then nothing. He waited for an hour, maybe more, and

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<v Speaker 1>didn't hear it again that night, but it came back.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the next several weeks, he'd hear those knocks at

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<v Speaker 1>irregular intervals, sometimes two or three nights in a row.

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<v Speaker 1>Some times nothing for a week, then a string of them.

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<v Speaker 1>They weren't always the same. Some were single strikes, that hard,

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<v Speaker 1>flat crack of wood on wood. Others came in patterns,

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<v Speaker 1>two quick knocks, a pause, then a third. Sometimes they

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to come from directly above on the ridge, and

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<v Speaker 1>other times from farther away, off to the north or south,

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<v Speaker 1>like whatever was making them was moving along the spine

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<v Speaker 1>of the mountain. Twice he heard what sounded like an answer,

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<v Speaker 1>a knock from one direction followed by one from a

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<v Speaker 1>different direction, entirely miles apart, as if two of whatever

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<v Speaker 1>they were were talking to each other across the dark.

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<v Speaker 1>One night in mid December, he heard something different. He'd

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<v Speaker 1>gone out to the porch to smoke before bed. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a pipe smoker. Granddad always had a bent stem

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<v Speaker 1>brier going, and the night was clear and cold and

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<v Speaker 1>perfectly still. No wind, no crickets that time of year,

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<v Speaker 1>just that dense mountain silence that presses in on you.

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<v Speaker 1>He was standing there, looking out toward the ridge, and

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<v Speaker 1>from somewhere up in the timber came a sound that

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<v Speaker 1>he said made every hair on his body stand up.

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<v Speaker 1>It started low, almost below the range of hearing, like

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<v Speaker 1>a vibration in the ground, more than a sound in

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<v Speaker 1>the air. Then it climbed. It rose in pitch over

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<v Speaker 1>the course of maybe ten seconds, into a long, sustained

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<v Speaker 1>whale that he said was like nothing that had ever

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<v Speaker 1>come out of any animal he'd encountered in his life.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't a coyote, it wasn't a bobcat. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>an owl or a fox, or a screech of any

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<v Speaker 1>kind he could identify, He told me. It sounded like

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<v Speaker 1>a woman screaming through a drain pipe, distorted and hollow

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<v Speaker 1>and impossibly loud. It held that pitch for what felt

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<v Speaker 1>like forever, and then it broke apart at the end,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of stuttered and warbled and dropped back down into

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<v Speaker 1>a series of low, grunting hoofs that faded into silence.

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<v Speaker 1>He said. The dogs they had, two hounds, Blue and Rascal,

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<v Speaker 1>were under the porch before the sound even reached its peak.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't bark, they didn't growl. They just crawled under

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<v Speaker 1>there and pressed themselves against the foundation of the house

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<v Speaker 1>and wouldn't come out until the next morning. That scared

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<v Speaker 1>Granddad almost more than the sound itself, because those dogs

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<v Speaker 1>would tree a bear or chase a bobcat without hesitation.

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<v Speaker 1>They were hunting dogs, bred and trained to be aggressive,

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<v Speaker 1>and whatever made that sound had reduced them to trembling,

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<v Speaker 1>whimpering lumps. Christmas came and went, and things quieted down

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<v Speaker 1>for a while. January and February of sixty three were

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<v Speaker 1>brutally cold. Granddad said they had ice on the inside

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<v Speaker 1>of the windows for weeks at a time, and whatever

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<v Speaker 1>was on the ridge seemed to have moved on or

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<v Speaker 1>hunkered down. He started to relax a little. He told

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<v Speaker 1>himself he'd been letting his imagination get the better of him,

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<v Speaker 1>that there was a rational explanation for all of it. Bears,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a mountain lion passing through weather playing tricks with sound,

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<v Speaker 1>He almost convinced himself. Then spring came It was late March,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe early April, of nineteen sixty three, and the first

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<v Speaker 1>warm days had started to open things up. Granddad was

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<v Speaker 1>out working on the fence line again, getting ready for

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<v Speaker 1>the season, and he noticed something that stopped him in

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<v Speaker 1>his tracks. Along the edge of the tree line, just

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<v Speaker 1>inside the timber, several small trees, saplings maybe two or

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<v Speaker 1>three inches in diameter, had been twisted and broken, not chopped,

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<v Speaker 1>not cut, twisted. The trunks had been grabbed and torqued

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<v Speaker 1>until the wood fibers separated, leaving the broken ends frayed

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<v Speaker 1>and spiraled like someone ringing a dish rag. He said.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of them had been bent over and woven

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<v Speaker 1>between other trees, creating what looked almost like a marker

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<v Speaker 1>or a boundary. He didn't know what to make of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and he didn't touch any of it. He just backed

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<v Speaker 1>away and went about his business. That spring and summer

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<v Speaker 1>were relatively quiet. He'd find odd things here and there,

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<v Speaker 1>a dead rabbit left on a fence post near the

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<v Speaker 1>back pasture, a pile of large stone stacked in the

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<v Speaker 1>creek bed that hadn't been there before, but nothing that

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<v Speaker 1>made him lose sleep. It was as if whatever lived

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<v Speaker 1>up on that ridge operated on a seasonal rhythm, pulling

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<v Speaker 1>back during the warmer months and becoming active again when

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<v Speaker 1>the weather turned, and sure enough, when fall came around again,

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<v Speaker 1>it all started back up. The autumn of nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 1>three was when things got worse. Granddad came home from

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<v Speaker 1>He climbed up on a ladder and collected five of them,

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<v Speaker 1>and the smallest was the size of a man's fist,

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<v Speaker 1>while the biggest was nearly the size of a cantelope.

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<v Speaker 1>They dented the tin roof and cracked one of the

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<v Speaker 1>tree line, and figured they'd been thrown from the edge

416
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<v Speaker 1>of the woods, which was over one hundred yards away.

417
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<v Speaker 1>He tried to throw one of those rocks that far himself,

418
00:22:54.799 --> 00:22:57.400
<v Speaker 1>using every bit of strength he had, and he couldn't

419
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<v Speaker 1>get it more than about sixty yards. Whatever had thrown

420
00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:02.599
<v Speaker 1>them had done it with the ease of a kid

421
00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:07.759
<v Speaker 1>skipping pebbles. That November nineteen sixty three was also when

422
00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:11.359
<v Speaker 1>the circling happened. This was the story Grandad had the

423
00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:14.240
<v Speaker 1>hardest time telling. I could see it in the way

424
00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:17.279
<v Speaker 1>his hands moved when he talked about it. He'd gripped

425
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<v Speaker 1>the arm of his chair and his knuckles would go white,

426
00:23:20.079 --> 00:23:23.519
<v Speaker 1>even forty years after the fact. It was a weak night,

427
00:23:23.799 --> 00:23:26.680
<v Speaker 1>middle of the month. He and my grandmother had gone

428
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<v Speaker 1>to bed early, and the kids were all asleep. The

429
00:23:29.920 --> 00:23:32.519
<v Speaker 1>dogs were on the porch, which was where they usually

430
00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:36.079
<v Speaker 1>slept unless the weather was too bad. Granddad woke up

431
00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:39.119
<v Speaker 1>sometime around two in the morning. He couldn't say exactly

432
00:23:39.160 --> 00:23:42.640
<v Speaker 1>what woke him, just a feeling, that primitive sense that

433
00:23:42.680 --> 00:23:45.559
<v Speaker 1>something is wrong, and he lay there in the dark

434
00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:49.200
<v Speaker 1>and listened. At first he thought he was imagining things.

435
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<v Speaker 1>Then he heard it. Footsteps, slow heavy footsteps outside the house,

436
00:23:55.279 --> 00:23:57.519
<v Speaker 1>on the bare ground between the house and the garden.

437
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<v Speaker 1>Not an animal walking out, the random pattering footfalls of

438
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<v Speaker 1>a deer or a dog. These were bipedaled, deliberate steps,

439
00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:09.759
<v Speaker 1>one after another, with a rhythm that was unmistakably two legged,

440
00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:13.200
<v Speaker 1>and they were circling, moving along the outside of the

441
00:24:13.240 --> 00:24:16.440
<v Speaker 1>house in a slow, steady orbit, past the bedroom window,

442
00:24:16.759 --> 00:24:20.799
<v Speaker 1>around the front, past the porch, down the side, around

443
00:24:20.839 --> 00:24:24.759
<v Speaker 1>the back, and then past the bedroom window again. Granddad

444
00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:28.000
<v Speaker 1>lay there and tracked the sound as it went around, once, twice,

445
00:24:28.480 --> 00:24:31.720
<v Speaker 1>three times. He said, each footfall had a weight to

446
00:24:31.759 --> 00:24:35.079
<v Speaker 1>it that he could feel in the floor joists. Not pounding,

447
00:24:35.440 --> 00:24:39.359
<v Speaker 1>not stomping, just heavy, the way a very large man

448
00:24:39.480 --> 00:24:41.400
<v Speaker 1>might walk if he was trying to be quiet, but

449
00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:43.960
<v Speaker 1>couldn't help the sheer mass of his body pressing into

450
00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:48.480
<v Speaker 1>the earth. And with the footsteps came the smell, that

451
00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:52.519
<v Speaker 1>same rotten, musky, gut churning stench seeping in through the

452
00:24:52.519 --> 00:24:55.559
<v Speaker 1>cracks around the windows and under the door. He told

453
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<v Speaker 1>me the worst part wasn't the footsteps. The worst part

454
00:24:58.759 --> 00:25:02.160
<v Speaker 1>was the dog's They were under the porch. He could

455
00:25:02.200 --> 00:25:05.720
<v Speaker 1>hear them underneath the floorboards, and they were completely silent.

456
00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Not a whimper, not a growl, not even the sound

457
00:25:09.519 --> 00:25:12.839
<v Speaker 1>of breathing. Those dogs, who would have fought a bear

458
00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:14.720
<v Speaker 1>to the death if one had come onto the porch,

459
00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:18.640
<v Speaker 1>were hiding in absolute silence while something walked circles around

460
00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:22.440
<v Speaker 1>the house where their family slept. Granddad said he reached

461
00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:25.519
<v Speaker 1>over and got a shotgun from beside the bed. It

462
00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:28.319
<v Speaker 1>was a twelve gage Remington, and he always kept it

463
00:25:28.359 --> 00:25:32.039
<v Speaker 1>loaded with double aut buckshot. He thought about getting up,

464
00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:34.799
<v Speaker 1>He thought about going to the window and looking out.

465
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<v Speaker 1>He thought about going to the door and stepping onto

466
00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:40.640
<v Speaker 1>the porch and confronting whatever was out there, and he

467
00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:43.400
<v Speaker 1>couldn't do it. He told me that was the only

468
00:25:43.480 --> 00:25:46.240
<v Speaker 1>time in his life he was truly paralyzed by fear.

469
00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Not the normal kind of fear that makes your heart

470
00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:54.119
<v Speaker 1>race and your muscles tighten. This was something deeper, something primal,

471
00:25:54.680 --> 00:25:57.039
<v Speaker 1>like his body was telling him in a language older

472
00:25:57.079 --> 00:25:59.599
<v Speaker 1>than words, that going out there would be a mistake.

473
00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:02.759
<v Speaker 1>He would survive. So he lay there in the dark,

474
00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:06.319
<v Speaker 1>gripping that shotgun, and he listened to the footsteps circle

475
00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:09.279
<v Speaker 1>the house for what he estimated was about forty five minutes.

476
00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Then they stopped, not gradually, not fading into the distance,

477
00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:17.839
<v Speaker 1>they just stopped. One moment there was the sound of

478
00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:21.519
<v Speaker 1>that slow, heavy tread passing beneath the bedroom window, and

479
00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:26.640
<v Speaker 1>the next there was nothing, just silence. Granddad lay there

480
00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:30.000
<v Speaker 1>for another hour, maybe two, before he finally got up

481
00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:32.720
<v Speaker 1>and went to the window. There was nothing outside that

482
00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:35.880
<v Speaker 1>he could see. The moon was out and the yard

483
00:26:35.920 --> 00:26:38.880
<v Speaker 1>was empty. The dogs didn't come out from under the

484
00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:42.720
<v Speaker 1>porch until well after sunrise. He never told my grandmother

485
00:26:42.759 --> 00:26:47.000
<v Speaker 1>about that night, not then, not ever. She went to

486
00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:50.000
<v Speaker 1>her grave in twenty twelve without knowing what had walked

487
00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:53.160
<v Speaker 1>around her house while she slept. He kept it from

488
00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:55.400
<v Speaker 1>her because he knew it would have terrified her beyond

489
00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:58.519
<v Speaker 1>any comfort he could offer, and because he was ashamed,

490
00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:02.480
<v Speaker 1>ashamed that he'd there and done nothing. That was the

491
00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:06.599
<v Speaker 1>word he used with me, ashamed. I told him there

492
00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:09.839
<v Speaker 1>was nothing to be ashamed of. That whatever instinct kept

493
00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:12.799
<v Speaker 1>him in that bed probably saved his life. And he

494
00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:15.880
<v Speaker 1>just looked at me with those old tired eyes and nodded,

495
00:27:16.359 --> 00:27:19.440
<v Speaker 1>but I could tell he didn't fully believe it. After

496
00:27:19.480 --> 00:27:23.519
<v Speaker 1>that night, things shifted. The activity didn't stop, but it

497
00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:26.960
<v Speaker 1>changed character. It was as if whatever was out there

498
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:30.200
<v Speaker 1>had been testing boundaries, pushing in a little closer each

499
00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:32.759
<v Speaker 1>time to see what the response would be, and when

500
00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:36.759
<v Speaker 1>there was no response, it settled into a kind of routine.

501
00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:40.079
<v Speaker 1>Over the next several years, from nineteen sixty three through

502
00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:44.039
<v Speaker 1>about nineteen sixty nine, Granddad experienced things on that farm

503
00:27:44.079 --> 00:27:47.240
<v Speaker 1>that he could never explain, and he eventually stopped trying.

504
00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:50.680
<v Speaker 1>I should mention that Granddad started keeping a kind of

505
00:27:50.720 --> 00:27:53.839
<v Speaker 1>record around this time. He didn't call it a journal.

506
00:27:54.279 --> 00:27:56.720
<v Speaker 1>He would have been embarrassed by that word. But he

507
00:27:56.799 --> 00:27:59.119
<v Speaker 1>had a little spiral bound notebook that he kept in

508
00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:01.880
<v Speaker 1>the drawer of his beds table, and he jot down

509
00:28:01.960 --> 00:28:07.440
<v Speaker 1>dates in short descriptions. November fourteenth, knocks from ridge, three sets,

510
00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:13.480
<v Speaker 1>December tewod smell a creek strong, things like that. He

511
00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:16.079
<v Speaker 1>showed it to me once, and the entries were sparse

512
00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:18.839
<v Speaker 1>and matter of fact, the way a farmer might record

513
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:24.440
<v Speaker 1>rainfall or planting dates. No emotion, no speculation, just data.

514
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:27.759
<v Speaker 1>He burned that notebook about a year before he died.

515
00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:31.279
<v Speaker 1>I wish he hadn't, but I understand why he did.

516
00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:34.279
<v Speaker 1>He didn't want anyone finding it after he was gone

517
00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:38.519
<v Speaker 1>and thinking he'd lost his mind. The sounds continued. The

518
00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:41.799
<v Speaker 1>wood knocks became almost commonplace, and he learned to tell

519
00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:45.200
<v Speaker 1>the difference between the sharp, aggressive ones and the softer,

520
00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:48.920
<v Speaker 1>more exploratory taps that sometimes came from trees right at

521
00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:51.480
<v Speaker 1>the edge of the pasture. One night, he heard a

522
00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:53.920
<v Speaker 1>series of sounds from the ridge that he described as

523
00:28:53.960 --> 00:28:57.519
<v Speaker 1>two heavy stones being clapped together in a deliberate rhythm,

524
00:28:58.119 --> 00:29:02.599
<v Speaker 1>not fast, not random, but spaced and purposeful, like someone

525
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:06.039
<v Speaker 1>tapping out a code. Another time, he heard what sounded

526
00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:08.880
<v Speaker 1>like a tree being pushed over, the slow crack and

527
00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:11.880
<v Speaker 1>groan of a trunk giving way, followed by the crash

528
00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:14.440
<v Speaker 1>of it hitting the ground. But when he went to

529
00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:17.440
<v Speaker 1>investigate the next morning, he couldn't find a single downed

530
00:29:17.480 --> 00:29:20.559
<v Speaker 1>tree anywhere in the area where the sound had come from.

531
00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:24.880
<v Speaker 1>The vocalizations were the worst. They didn't happen often, maybe

532
00:29:24.920 --> 00:29:27.480
<v Speaker 1>three or four times a year at most, but when

533
00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:31.720
<v Speaker 1>they did, they were unlike anything else. Each one was different,

534
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:35.799
<v Speaker 1>which is part of what made them so unsettling. One night,

535
00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:40.400
<v Speaker 1>he heard a rapid series of grunting barks, sharp percussive exhalations,

536
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:43.880
<v Speaker 1>almost like a very large dog trying to cough, that

537
00:29:43.960 --> 00:29:46.519
<v Speaker 1>seemed to come from right at the tree line, maybe

538
00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:49.759
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and fifty yards from the house. Another time,

539
00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:52.839
<v Speaker 1>it was a sound he described as chattering, like teeth

540
00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:56.720
<v Speaker 1>clicking together very fast, mixed with a low, rumbling murmur

541
00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:59.279
<v Speaker 1>that rose and fell, like someone talking in a language

542
00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:03.200
<v Speaker 1>he couldn't understand. Stay tuned for more Backwoods Bigfoot stories.

543
00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:07.880
<v Speaker 1>We'll be back after these messages. He told me that

544
00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:10.720
<v Speaker 1>one made his blood go cold because it sounded almost

545
00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:14.359
<v Speaker 1>like speech, not words he could make out, not English

546
00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:17.680
<v Speaker 1>or anything he recognized, but the cadence and the inflection

547
00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:21.000
<v Speaker 1>were so close to human conversation that his brain kept

548
00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:25.079
<v Speaker 1>trying to resolve it into something meaningful and couldn't. But

549
00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:28.680
<v Speaker 1>the worst vocalization, the one he told me about only once,

550
00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:31.440
<v Speaker 1>and the one that I could tell had burrowed deepest

551
00:30:31.480 --> 00:30:34.640
<v Speaker 1>into him, happened in the fall of nineteen sixty five.

552
00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:38.039
<v Speaker 1>He was out in the barn just after dark, finishing

553
00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:40.599
<v Speaker 1>up some chore or another, and from the ridge came

554
00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:43.079
<v Speaker 1>a scream that he said, split the night wide open.

555
00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:46.160
<v Speaker 1>It was louder than the first one he'd heard by

556
00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:49.079
<v Speaker 1>a lot. It started on a pitch so deep that

557
00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:52.400
<v Speaker 1>it was more sensation than sound, like standing too close

558
00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:55.200
<v Speaker 1>to a bass drum, And then it climbed through every

559
00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:58.640
<v Speaker 1>register of human hearing and kept going into something that hurt.

560
00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:01.880
<v Speaker 1>Not in his ear, he said, it hurt in his

561
00:31:01.960 --> 00:31:05.160
<v Speaker 1>teeth and in his chest, like the sound was vibrating

562
00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:08.000
<v Speaker 1>his rib cage. It held at that peak for what

563
00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:12.079
<v Speaker 1>felt like an eternity, raw and ragged and furious, and

564
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:15.400
<v Speaker 1>then it collapsed into a series of long sobbing moans

565
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:19.079
<v Speaker 1>that descended in pitch until they were almost below hearing again,

566
00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:23.440
<v Speaker 1>and then silence. He said, the entire valley went quiet

567
00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:29.039
<v Speaker 1>after that. No frogs, no insects, no night birds. Everything

568
00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:31.680
<v Speaker 1>that lived in that hollow had heard it and gone still.

569
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:35.079
<v Speaker 1>He described it to me this way. You ever heard

570
00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:37.079
<v Speaker 1>a train whistle far off at night, and the way

571
00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:40.599
<v Speaker 1>it sort of grabs something inside? You imagine that, but

572
00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:43.519
<v Speaker 1>instead of a train, it's something alive, and instead of

573
00:31:43.559 --> 00:31:46.200
<v Speaker 1>far off, it's right up there on that ridge looking

574
00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:49.279
<v Speaker 1>down at you, and the sound it's making isn't anything

575
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:52.680
<v Speaker 1>that's supposed to exist in this world. He said that

576
00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:55.279
<v Speaker 1>was the closest he could get to describing it, and

577
00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:58.680
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't satisfied with the comparison. Now, let me tell

578
00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:00.480
<v Speaker 1>you about the second time he saw one of them

579
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:03.240
<v Speaker 1>up close, because this was different from the figure on

580
00:32:03.319 --> 00:32:07.759
<v Speaker 1>the ridge. This was nineteen sixty six, early autumn, and

581
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:10.160
<v Speaker 1>he was walking back from the creek crossing at dusk.

582
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:12.960
<v Speaker 1>He'd been checking the water level because they'd had a

583
00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:15.480
<v Speaker 1>dry spell and the cattle needed to be able to cross.

584
00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:18.799
<v Speaker 1>The sun was just about gone, and the light in

585
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:21.480
<v Speaker 1>the hollow was that deep blue gray that comes right

586
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:24.720
<v Speaker 1>before full dark, where you can still see shapes, but

587
00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:27.720
<v Speaker 1>the color has been drained out of everything. He came

588
00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:29.960
<v Speaker 1>around to bend in the path where the trail passes

589
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:33.519
<v Speaker 1>through a thick stand of poplar, and he saw it.

590
00:32:33.519 --> 00:32:36.000
<v Speaker 1>It was standing about forty yards ahead of him, at

591
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:38.079
<v Speaker 1>the edge of the tree line where the poplar gives

592
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:41.200
<v Speaker 1>way to open pasture. It was facing away from him,

593
00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:44.000
<v Speaker 1>slightly turned to one side, and it was standing in

594
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:46.680
<v Speaker 1>a half crouch with one arm extended, like it had

595
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:49.559
<v Speaker 1>been reaching for something on a low branch. When it

596
00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:52.279
<v Speaker 1>hurt him, and he said the instant his boot cracked

597
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:55.400
<v Speaker 1>a dry stick. Its whole body went rigid, like a

598
00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:58.319
<v Speaker 1>current had run through it. It turned its upper body

599
00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:01.440
<v Speaker 1>toward him without moving its feet, twisting at the waist

600
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:03.559
<v Speaker 1>in a way that he said looked wrong for something

601
00:33:03.559 --> 00:33:07.039
<v Speaker 1>that big. This time, he was close enough to see details,

602
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:09.400
<v Speaker 1>and he described them to me with a precision that

603
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:12.240
<v Speaker 1>told me he'd replayed this moment in his mind a

604
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:16.880
<v Speaker 1>thousand times. It was covered in hair, not fur. He

605
00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:21.440
<v Speaker 1>was very specific about that distinction. Hair It hung down

606
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:25.160
<v Speaker 1>and matted uneven lengths, longer on the arms and shoulders,

607
00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:28.000
<v Speaker 1>and shorter on the face and chest. The color was

608
00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:31.559
<v Speaker 1>dark reddish brown, like old barnwood that's been weathered by

609
00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:35.359
<v Speaker 1>years of rain. It was tall, he estimated seven and

610
00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:38.400
<v Speaker 1>a half feet, maybe a little more, and it was

611
00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:42.799
<v Speaker 1>built thick, much thicker than any man. The shoulders were enormous,

612
00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:45.839
<v Speaker 1>sloping down from a neck that was almost non existent,

613
00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:48.680
<v Speaker 1>like the head just sat directly on top of that

614
00:33:48.759 --> 00:33:52.960
<v Speaker 1>massive torso. The arms were long, longer in proportion than

615
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:56.519
<v Speaker 1>a human's, and the hands and he paused every time

616
00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:59.000
<v Speaker 1>he got to this part. The hands were the thing

617
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:01.319
<v Speaker 1>that convinced him it wasn't a bear or any other

618
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:06.319
<v Speaker 1>animal he could explain. They were hands, broad, thick, with

619
00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:09.599
<v Speaker 1>stubby fingers and an obvious thumb, and they were lighter

620
00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:12.079
<v Speaker 1>in color than the rest of the body, with skin

621
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:14.960
<v Speaker 1>that looked rough and calloused, like the palm of a

622
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:18.800
<v Speaker 1>working man's hand, scaled up to something impossible. The face

623
00:34:18.920 --> 00:34:21.599
<v Speaker 1>was what haunted him. He could see it in profile

624
00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:24.920
<v Speaker 1>and then full on as it turned toward him. He said.

625
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:28.119
<v Speaker 1>The features were flat, a heavy brow ridge that jutted

626
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:31.519
<v Speaker 1>out over deep set eyes, a broad, flat nose with

627
00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:34.920
<v Speaker 1>wide nostrils, and a jaw that was massive and square.

628
00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:38.360
<v Speaker 1>The mouth was closed, and the lips were thin and dark.

629
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:41.159
<v Speaker 1>The skin on the face was darker than the rest

630
00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:44.760
<v Speaker 1>of the body, almost black, and relatively free of hair

631
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:48.360
<v Speaker 1>except around the jawline and the temples. The eyes caught

632
00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:51.119
<v Speaker 1>what little light there was, and they weren't the blank,

633
00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:54.519
<v Speaker 1>reflective eyes of an animal. They were set under that

634
00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:57.760
<v Speaker 1>brow ridge with an expression that he struggled to articulate.

635
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:02.320
<v Speaker 1>He said, it wasn't ang, It wasn't scared. It was

636
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:05.079
<v Speaker 1>considering me like I was something it had to make

637
00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:08.119
<v Speaker 1>a decision about. They looked at each other for what

638
00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:11.280
<v Speaker 1>Granddad guessed was about five seconds, though he said it

639
00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:14.719
<v Speaker 1>felt like five minutes. Then the creature straightened up to

640
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:17.639
<v Speaker 1>its full height, and he said, the casual power in

641
00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:20.840
<v Speaker 1>that motion, the effortless way it went from a crouch

642
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:24.280
<v Speaker 1>to standing, made him understand on a gut level that

643
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:26.360
<v Speaker 1>he was in the presence of something that could kill

644
00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:28.960
<v Speaker 1>him as easily as he could step on an ant.

645
00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:33.079
<v Speaker 1>It turned away from him, took two long strides into

646
00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:38.000
<v Speaker 1>the timber, and was gone, not running, not crashing through brush.

647
00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:41.679
<v Speaker 1>It moved between the trees with a fluidity that something

648
00:35:41.719 --> 00:35:44.840
<v Speaker 1>that large had no business having, and within seconds it

649
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:46.920
<v Speaker 1>was as if it had never been there at all.

650
00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:50.199
<v Speaker 1>Granddad walked home on legs, he said, felt like they

651
00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:52.800
<v Speaker 1>were made of water. He sat on the porch for

652
00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:55.880
<v Speaker 1>an hour before he could go inside, and that night,

653
00:35:56.280 --> 00:35:59.039
<v Speaker 1>for the first time, he told my grandmother that he'd

654
00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:01.320
<v Speaker 1>seen something in the wood hoods that he couldn't explain.

655
00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:05.119
<v Speaker 1>He didn't call it bigfoot, he didn't call it a sasquatch.

656
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:08.320
<v Speaker 1>He said he'd seen a booger. That was the word

657
00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:11.199
<v Speaker 1>people in that part of Kentucky used for anything strange

658
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:14.920
<v Speaker 1>or unexplained in the woods, something big and dark and

659
00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:19.599
<v Speaker 1>not quite right. A booger. And my grandmother god rest Her,

660
00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:22.800
<v Speaker 1>looked at him and said, Harold, my daddy saw one

661
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:25.000
<v Speaker 1>of those when he was a boy up on Pine Mountain.

662
00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:28.760
<v Speaker 1>I always wondered if they were still around. And that

663
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:32.920
<v Speaker 1>was that. She didn't question him, didn't laugh, didn't tell

664
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:36.360
<v Speaker 1>him he was crazy. She just accepted it the way

665
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:38.880
<v Speaker 1>Mountain people have always accepted the things that live in

666
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:42.039
<v Speaker 1>the spaces between what we know and what we don't.

667
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:45.639
<v Speaker 1>Granddad told me that his great uncle Fess, who'd been

668
00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:48.480
<v Speaker 1>born in the eighteen seventies, used to tell stories about

669
00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:52.159
<v Speaker 1>the boogers when the family gathered for holidays, Old Fess

670
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:54.320
<v Speaker 1>would sit by the fire and talk about the tall,

671
00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:57.639
<v Speaker 1>hairy wild men that lived back in the deepest hollows

672
00:36:57.639 --> 00:37:01.199
<v Speaker 1>and the highest ridges, and the adults half listen, and

673
00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:05.280
<v Speaker 1>the children would be terrified. Granddad said he'd always assumed

674
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:08.360
<v Speaker 1>those were just stories, the same way you'd assume any

675
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:12.039
<v Speaker 1>old man's tales were embellished or invented. But after what

676
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:14.519
<v Speaker 1>he'd seen, he went back through his memory and re

677
00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:17.880
<v Speaker 1>examined every one of those stories, and he realized that

678
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:21.599
<v Speaker 1>Old Fess hadn't been telling fairy tales. He'd been trying

679
00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:25.000
<v Speaker 1>to warn them. The years between nineteen sixty six and

680
00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:28.599
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty nine brought more of the same, though Granddad

681
00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:32.280
<v Speaker 1>said there were stretches, sometimes months at a time, when

682
00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:36.280
<v Speaker 1>nothing happened and he'd almost forget. Then something would start

683
00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:39.800
<v Speaker 1>up again and it would all come rushing back. I'll

684
00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:42.320
<v Speaker 1>share some of the incidents he told me about, because

685
00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:44.840
<v Speaker 1>each one adds another layer to what was happening on

686
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:48.639
<v Speaker 1>that ridge. In the spring of nineteen sixty seven, he

687
00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:51.840
<v Speaker 1>found a deer carcass in the lower pasture, about sixty

688
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:55.400
<v Speaker 1>yards from the back fence. It hadn't been shot, and

689
00:37:55.440 --> 00:37:57.639
<v Speaker 1>it hadn't been killed by a predator in any way,

690
00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:03.239
<v Speaker 1>he recognized the deer, a yearling dough had been pulled apart.

691
00:38:03.559 --> 00:38:08.320
<v Speaker 1>He used those words, specifically, pulled apart. The legs had

692
00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:11.960
<v Speaker 1>been separated from the body, not cut or bitten, but

693
00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:15.360
<v Speaker 1>wrenched at the joints until they came free. The rib

694
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:18.440
<v Speaker 1>cage was caved in, and there was surprisingly little blood

695
00:38:18.440 --> 00:38:21.320
<v Speaker 1>on the ground, as if the killing had happened somewhere

696
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:24.079
<v Speaker 1>else and the remains had been carried to the pasture

697
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:27.360
<v Speaker 1>and left there. He couldn't figure out why an animal

698
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:30.840
<v Speaker 1>would do that, kill something, carry it to an open field,

699
00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:35.199
<v Speaker 1>and leave it, unless it was a message. That same summer,

700
00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:38.079
<v Speaker 1>his neighbor Roscoe, who had a small farm about two

701
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:40.880
<v Speaker 1>miles up the creek, mentioned to Grandad that he'd been

702
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:43.719
<v Speaker 1>having trouble with something getting into his chicken coop at night.

703
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:48.360
<v Speaker 1>Not a fox, not a raccoon, not a weasel. Those

704
00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:52.719
<v Speaker 1>animals leave specific signs, and Roscoe knew every one of them.

705
00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:55.639
<v Speaker 1>Whatever was getting into his coop was pulling the wire

706
00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:59.079
<v Speaker 1>mesh off the frame, with its hands, reaching in and

707
00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:01.960
<v Speaker 1>taking chickens to two and three at a time. The

708
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:05.679
<v Speaker 1>wire was bent outward with finger shaped impressions pressed into

709
00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:09.280
<v Speaker 1>the mesh. Roscoe was a practical man who didn't traffic

710
00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:12.239
<v Speaker 1>in nonsense, and he told Grandad he was starting to

711
00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:15.559
<v Speaker 1>wonder if somebody was stealing his chickens, because no animal

712
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:19.519
<v Speaker 1>he knew of had hands. Granddad listened to Roscoe and

713
00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:22.280
<v Speaker 1>kept his mouth shut, but he knew what was doing it.

714
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:26.599
<v Speaker 1>In the fall of sixty seven, the rock throwing escalated.

715
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Granddad was out in the yard one evening working on

716
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:31.440
<v Speaker 1>his truck when a stone about the size of an

717
00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:33.880
<v Speaker 1>egg landed in the dirt about ten feet from where

718
00:39:33.880 --> 00:39:37.360
<v Speaker 1>he was standing. It didn't fall straight down. It came

719
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:39.519
<v Speaker 1>in on an arc from the direction of the ridge,

720
00:39:39.800 --> 00:39:42.480
<v Speaker 1>and it hit hard enough to leave a divot. He

721
00:39:42.519 --> 00:39:44.960
<v Speaker 1>stood there and looked toward the tree line, and then

722
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:49.880
<v Speaker 1>another one came closer, this time landing maybe six feet away.

723
00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:52.320
<v Speaker 1>He said it wasn't thrown with the intent to hit him.

724
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:55.480
<v Speaker 1>The aim was too deliberate for that. If it had

725
00:39:55.519 --> 00:39:58.559
<v Speaker 1>wanted to hit him, it would have. It was throwing

726
00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:02.639
<v Speaker 1>near him, getting his tension, reminding him it was there.

727
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:06.199
<v Speaker 1>He picked up his wrench and went inside. There was

728
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:08.760
<v Speaker 1>a night in the winter of sixty seven, or maybe

729
00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:12.239
<v Speaker 1>it was early sixty eight. Granddad wasn't sure when he

730
00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:14.960
<v Speaker 1>was awakened by the sound of something heavy pressing against

731
00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:19.519
<v Speaker 1>the side of the house. Not knocking, not scratching, not hitting,

732
00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:24.119
<v Speaker 1>pressing like a massive weight was leaning into the exterior

733
00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:27.199
<v Speaker 1>wall of the bedroom. He could hear the boards creak

734
00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:29.960
<v Speaker 1>and the framing flex and he lay there in bed

735
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:33.880
<v Speaker 1>and felt the wall bow inward just slightly, just enough

736
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:37.360
<v Speaker 1>to notice. It lasted maybe thirty seconds, and then the

737
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:40.639
<v Speaker 1>pressure released and he heard two soft footsteps moving away.

738
00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:43.679
<v Speaker 1>He didn't get up, He just lay there with his

739
00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:47.440
<v Speaker 1>hand on the shotgun and waited for morning. In nineteen

740
00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:50.400
<v Speaker 1>sixty eight, two things happened that pushed Grandad closer to

741
00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:53.480
<v Speaker 1>a decision he'd been putting off for years. The first

742
00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:55.719
<v Speaker 1>was that he saw one of them again, and this

743
00:40:55.880 --> 00:40:59.559
<v Speaker 1>time it was different because there were two. It was

744
00:40:59.559 --> 00:41:01.840
<v Speaker 1>a saturdy day morning in October, and he'd gotten up

745
00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:04.639
<v Speaker 1>early to walk the ridge line. He'd been doing that

746
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:08.239
<v Speaker 1>occasionally over the years, not looking for trouble, just trying

747
00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:11.280
<v Speaker 1>to understand the territory better, trying to figure out where

748
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:15.199
<v Speaker 1>the trails were, where they went, where they came from.

749
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:17.960
<v Speaker 1>He'd found paths through the timber that were too wide

750
00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:20.800
<v Speaker 1>and too well worn to be deer trails, but didn't

751
00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:24.400
<v Speaker 1>match any human track he'd ever seen. He'd found places

752
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:27.280
<v Speaker 1>where the underbrush had been broken down in wide swaths,

753
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:31.199
<v Speaker 1>as if something large had pushed through it repeatedly, and

754
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:34.679
<v Speaker 1>he'd found sleeping areas, flat spots on the ground where

755
00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:37.599
<v Speaker 1>the leaves had been compressed into oval depressions about seven

756
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:41.039
<v Speaker 1>feet long, surrounded by bent over saplings that formed a

757
00:41:41.119 --> 00:41:45.159
<v Speaker 1>rough enclosure, almost like a nest. That morning, he was

758
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:47.199
<v Speaker 1>moving along a game trail near the top of the

759
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:49.840
<v Speaker 1>ridge when he heard something moving through the brush below

760
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:53.360
<v Speaker 1>him and to his left. He stopped and crouched behind

761
00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:56.079
<v Speaker 1>a fallen log, and through a gap in the laurel,

762
00:41:56.119 --> 00:41:59.519
<v Speaker 1>he saw them, two of them, walking single file along

763
00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:03.119
<v Speaker 1>the slope, about eighty yards downhill. They were moving at

764
00:42:03.159 --> 00:42:07.320
<v Speaker 1>a steady pace, not hurrying, but not dawdling, covering ground

765
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:12.800
<v Speaker 1>the way experienced hikers do, smooth rhythmic efficient. The one

766
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:15.079
<v Speaker 1>in front was the larger of the two, and it

767
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:17.400
<v Speaker 1>matched the description of the creature he'd seen near the

768
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:22.119
<v Speaker 1>creek crossing in sixty six. Dark reddish brown, massive shoulders,

769
00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:26.800
<v Speaker 1>long arms, swinging with each stride. The one behind was smaller,

770
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:30.320
<v Speaker 1>maybe six feet tall or a little more, and lighter

771
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:34.199
<v Speaker 1>in color, more of a tawny brown, almost blonde in

772
00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:36.840
<v Speaker 1>the patches where the early morning light filtered through the

773
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:40.159
<v Speaker 1>canopy and caught it. The smaller one moved differently, too.

774
00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:43.920
<v Speaker 1>Where the larger one had that fluid, powerful gait, the

775
00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:47.480
<v Speaker 1>smaller one was quicker, more agile, picking its way over

776
00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:49.880
<v Speaker 1>rocks and roots with a nimbleness that the bigger one

777
00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:53.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't bother with. Granddad said, the way they moved together

778
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:56.000
<v Speaker 1>reminded him of a mother and a half grown child,

779
00:42:56.639 --> 00:42:59.360
<v Speaker 1>or maybe an older brother and a younger one. There

780
00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:01.920
<v Speaker 1>was a familiarity in the way the smaller one stayed

781
00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:05.880
<v Speaker 1>close to the larger one, matching its pace, occasionally reaching

782
00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:08.360
<v Speaker 1>out and touching its back or arm as they walked.

783
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:12.760
<v Speaker 1>There was a relationship there, a bond, and seeing that

784
00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:15.400
<v Speaker 1>was what changed things for Grandad in a way he

785
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:19.000
<v Speaker 1>couldn't fully explain. Up until that moment, he'd been dealing

786
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:23.360
<v Speaker 1>with something unknown, something frightening, something that existed in the

787
00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:26.800
<v Speaker 1>dark and the margins. But watching those two walk together

788
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:29.159
<v Speaker 1>through the timber, he said, it hit him like a

789
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:33.159
<v Speaker 1>fist in the chest. These weren't monsters. They were a family.

790
00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:37.079
<v Speaker 1>They had lives and routines and relationships, and the ridge

791
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:40.159
<v Speaker 1>behind his farm wasn't his territory that they were intruding on.

792
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:43.039
<v Speaker 1>It was their home that he happened to live next to.

793
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:47.599
<v Speaker 1>He said that realization didn't make him less afraid. If anything,

794
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:50.599
<v Speaker 1>it made him more so, because it meant this wasn't

795
00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:55.199
<v Speaker 1>a temporary problem. It wasn't one animal passing through. They

796
00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:58.280
<v Speaker 1>lived there. They'd probably lived there longer than his family

797
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:00.880
<v Speaker 1>had owned that farm, and they were going to keep

798
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:04.599
<v Speaker 1>living there after he was gone. The question was whether

799
00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:07.440
<v Speaker 1>he could share a valley with something like that, and

800
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:10.599
<v Speaker 1>the answer, which took him another year to fully accept,

801
00:44:11.079 --> 00:44:13.519
<v Speaker 1>was no. I want to tell you about a couple

802
00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:16.199
<v Speaker 1>of incidents from the same period that Grandad shared with

803
00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:20.119
<v Speaker 1>me separately, because they add to the picture. Sometime in

804
00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:22.719
<v Speaker 1>the summer of sixty eight, he thought it was July,

805
00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:25.280
<v Speaker 1>but he couldn't be sure. He was working in the

806
00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:27.719
<v Speaker 1>tobacco patch on a hot afternoon when he heard a

807
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:30.920
<v Speaker 1>commotion from the direction of the barn. He walked over

808
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:33.159
<v Speaker 1>and found that something had gotten into the feed room.

809
00:44:33.880 --> 00:44:36.639
<v Speaker 1>The door which he kept latched with a heavy iron hook,

810
00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:41.920
<v Speaker 1>had been forced open, not just unlatched forced. The hook

811
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:44.880
<v Speaker 1>was still attached to the doorframe, but the wood around

812
00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:48.039
<v Speaker 1>the screws had been splintered outward, like something had simply

813
00:44:48.039 --> 00:44:50.159
<v Speaker 1>pulled the door open with enough force to rip the

814
00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:54.400
<v Speaker 1>hardware free. Inside, a fifty pound bag of sweet feed

815
00:44:54.440 --> 00:44:56.880
<v Speaker 1>had been dragged off the shelf and torn open, and

816
00:44:56.920 --> 00:44:59.679
<v Speaker 1>there was feed scattered all over the floor. Stay tuned

817
00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:02.960
<v Speaker 1>from more back Woods Bigfoot stories. We'll be back after

818
00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:07.599
<v Speaker 1>these messages. But here's the part that got to him.

819
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:10.559
<v Speaker 1>There were handprints in the spilled grain on the shelf

820
00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:15.199
<v Speaker 1>where the bag had sat, clear unmistakable handprints pressed into

821
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:18.639
<v Speaker 1>the layer of dust and feed residue. They were enormous,

822
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:21.519
<v Speaker 1>and the pattern of fingers showed that whatever had grabbed

823
00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:24.599
<v Speaker 1>that bag had used both hands, reaching over the top

824
00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:26.880
<v Speaker 1>and gripping it the way you or I might grab

825
00:45:26.920 --> 00:45:30.079
<v Speaker 1>a heavy box off a high shelf. He said. The

826
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:32.639
<v Speaker 1>thumb prints were on the near side and the fingerprints

827
00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:35.400
<v Speaker 1>wrapped over the top, and the span from thumb to

828
00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:38.960
<v Speaker 1>the outside finger was close to twelve inches. He cleaned

829
00:45:39.039 --> 00:45:41.320
<v Speaker 1>up the mess and replaced the latch with a heavier one.

830
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:44.679
<v Speaker 1>It was never broken into again. He didn't know if

831
00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:47.079
<v Speaker 1>that meant the new latch held or if whatever had

832
00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:50.440
<v Speaker 1>broken in just decided it wasn't worth the trouble. There

833
00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:53.719
<v Speaker 1>was also the matter of the garden. My grandmother kept

834
00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:59.800
<v Speaker 1>a large vegetable garden on the south side of the house. Tomatoes, beans, corn, potatoes, squash,

835
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:04.400
<v Speaker 1>the usual Kentucky garden. Starting in sixty seven or sixty eight,

836
00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:08.039
<v Speaker 1>she began noticing that produce was disappearing, not the way

837
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:12.559
<v Speaker 1>a deer or a groundhog takes things. Deer brows, they nibble,

838
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:17.199
<v Speaker 1>they leave half eaten plants. This was different. Whole tomatoes

839
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:20.000
<v Speaker 1>would be pulled off the vine, ears of corn would

840
00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:22.480
<v Speaker 1>be snapped off the stalk, and the husks would be

841
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:25.519
<v Speaker 1>found peeled back and discarded. A few rows over with

842
00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:29.960
<v Speaker 1>the kernels eaten. Clean squash would be missing, entirely, pulled

843
00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:33.599
<v Speaker 1>right off the ground. My grandmother blamed it on raccoons,

844
00:46:33.760 --> 00:46:36.599
<v Speaker 1>and granddad let her believe that, but he knew better.

845
00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:41.719
<v Speaker 1>Raccoons don't peel corn husks neatly and stack them. Raccoons

846
00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:44.840
<v Speaker 1>don't select only the ripe tomatoes and leave the green

847
00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:47.800
<v Speaker 1>ones on the vine. One morning, he found a single

848
00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:50.719
<v Speaker 1>footprint at the edge of the garden, pressed deep into

849
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:54.400
<v Speaker 1>the soft dirt between two rows of beans. It was bare,

850
00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:58.639
<v Speaker 1>it was enormous, and it pointed toward the ridge. He

851
00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:01.239
<v Speaker 1>smoothed the dirt over it before my grandmother saw it,

852
00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:04.599
<v Speaker 1>and never said a word. The second thing that happened

853
00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:08.280
<v Speaker 1>in sixty eight was the incident with the calves. In November,

854
00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:11.000
<v Speaker 1>two of his calves went missing from the lower pasture,

855
00:47:11.599 --> 00:47:15.920
<v Speaker 1>not one, two taken on the same night. There were

856
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:19.119
<v Speaker 1>no drag marks, no blood, no signs of a struggle.

857
00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:23.440
<v Speaker 1>The calves were simply gone. Those calves weighed somewhere around

858
00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:26.360
<v Speaker 1>three hundred pounds apiece, and something had taken them out

859
00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:29.920
<v Speaker 1>of a fenced pasture without leaving a trace. A mountain

860
00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:32.679
<v Speaker 1>lion might take one calf, but it would leave blood

861
00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:36.239
<v Speaker 1>in drag marks. A bear would make a mess, A

862
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:40.280
<v Speaker 1>pack of wild dogs would leave signs everywhere. Nothing granddad

863
00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:42.480
<v Speaker 1>knew of could pick up a three hundred pound calf

864
00:47:42.519 --> 00:47:46.719
<v Speaker 1>and carry it away clean. Nothing natural anyway. He lost

865
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:49.880
<v Speaker 1>two more calves over the next year, both in late autumn,

866
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:52.960
<v Speaker 1>both from the lower pasture. He never found a trace

867
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:55.960
<v Speaker 1>of any of them. By nineteen sixty nine, he'd made

868
00:47:56.039 --> 00:47:58.559
<v Speaker 1>up his mind. He went to a man named Earl,

869
00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:02.599
<v Speaker 1>who owned the propertying Granddad's to the east, the property

870
00:48:02.599 --> 00:48:05.639
<v Speaker 1>that included the lower slopes of Briar Ridge, and asked

871
00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:09.840
<v Speaker 1>if Earl wanted to sell. Earl did. Granddad bought fifty

872
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:12.880
<v Speaker 1>acres of timberland from Earle, not because he wanted it,

873
00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:15.599
<v Speaker 1>but because he wanted a buffer between his farm and

874
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:18.559
<v Speaker 1>whatever was up on that ridge. That didn't work the

875
00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:21.199
<v Speaker 1>way he'd hoped, because the buffer was just more of

876
00:48:21.239 --> 00:48:25.480
<v Speaker 1>their territory. So in the fall of nineteen seventy, Granddad

877
00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:28.320
<v Speaker 1>made the decision that he'd been wrestling with for years.

878
00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:32.159
<v Speaker 1>He sold the back forty, the lower pasture, the section

879
00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:35.559
<v Speaker 1>nearest the ridge, the tobacco barn that sat back there,

880
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:38.440
<v Speaker 1>and the fence line that had given him so much trouble.

881
00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:41.519
<v Speaker 1>He sold it to a man from Breathitt County who

882
00:48:41.559 --> 00:48:44.079
<v Speaker 1>wanted to run cattle, and he never told the man

883
00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:47.519
<v Speaker 1>why he was selling. He moved his own cattle operation

884
00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:50.480
<v Speaker 1>to the front pasture, closer to the house and farther

885
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:54.119
<v Speaker 1>from the ridge, and he consolidated his tobacco acreage to

886
00:48:54.159 --> 00:48:56.840
<v Speaker 1>the fields on the west side of the property. Away

887
00:48:56.840 --> 00:49:00.599
<v Speaker 1>from the timberline. Granddad told me that selling that land

888
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:03.519
<v Speaker 1>was one of the hardest things he ever did. That

889
00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:05.719
<v Speaker 1>back acreage had been in our family for over one

890
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:09.599
<v Speaker 1>hundred years. His grandfather had cleared it, his father had

891
00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:11.800
<v Speaker 1>worked it, and he'd planned to hand it down to

892
00:49:11.880 --> 00:49:15.280
<v Speaker 1>his own sons. Letting it go felt like a betrayal

893
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:18.159
<v Speaker 1>of everyone who'd come before him, and he carried that

894
00:49:18.239 --> 00:49:21.039
<v Speaker 1>guilt for the rest of his life. But he also

895
00:49:21.159 --> 00:49:23.920
<v Speaker 1>carried the memory of those footsteps circling his house at

896
00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:27.280
<v Speaker 1>two in the morning, and the memory of those enormous hands,

897
00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:30.800
<v Speaker 1>and the memory of that scream that vibrated in his chest.

898
00:49:31.400 --> 00:49:33.920
<v Speaker 1>And he decided that guilt was something he could live with.

899
00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:36.760
<v Speaker 1>What he couldn't live with was the feeling that he

900
00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:39.000
<v Speaker 1>was raising his children in the shadow of something that

901
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:41.719
<v Speaker 1>knew they were there and could reach them any time

902
00:49:41.760 --> 00:49:45.679
<v Speaker 1>it chose. The man from Breethitt County lasted about two

903
00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:48.760
<v Speaker 1>years before he sold the property to someone else, who

904
00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:52.239
<v Speaker 1>sold it again a few years later. Granddad never asked

905
00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:54.480
<v Speaker 1>any of them why they left. He said he didn't

906
00:49:54.519 --> 00:49:58.599
<v Speaker 1>need to. After the sale, the activity around Grandad's house

907
00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:03.079
<v Speaker 1>dropped off significantly. It didn't stop entirely. He'd still hear

908
00:50:03.079 --> 00:50:06.079
<v Speaker 1>the occasional knock on a quiet night, still catch a

909
00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:08.639
<v Speaker 1>whiff of that smell near the creek crossing now and then,

910
00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:12.000
<v Speaker 1>and once in the mid seventies he found a set

911
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:15.239
<v Speaker 1>of those enormous footprints in the mud along the creek bank.

912
00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:19.320
<v Speaker 1>But the intense, weeks long periods of activity that had

913
00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:23.639
<v Speaker 1>characterized the sixties were over. Whatever lived on that ridge

914
00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:26.639
<v Speaker 1>had gotten the message, or maybe it had simply shifted

915
00:50:26.679 --> 00:50:30.400
<v Speaker 1>its range to match the new boundary. Granddad didn't venture

916
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:33.239
<v Speaker 1>into the back acreage after the sail. He said there

917
00:50:33.280 --> 00:50:36.119
<v Speaker 1>was no reason to, and I suspect the truth was

918
00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:39.119
<v Speaker 1>he didn't want to know what he'd find. There were

919
00:50:39.159 --> 00:50:41.400
<v Speaker 1>a few more incidents over the years that he mentioned

920
00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:45.880
<v Speaker 1>to me in passing almost as afterthoughts. In nineteen seventy

921
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:48.320
<v Speaker 1>eight or seventy nine, he was coon hunting with Blues

922
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:52.519
<v Speaker 1>Replacement a hound named Duke along the creek bottom north

923
00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:55.599
<v Speaker 1>of the property. It was a cold, clear night in

924
00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:59.719
<v Speaker 1>November and Duke had tried something, or so Granddad thought.

925
00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:04.360
<v Speaker 1>The dog was barking steadily, that rhythmic baying that hounds

926
00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:07.159
<v Speaker 1>do when they've got something cornered up above them, and

927
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Granddad was working his way through the brush with a

928
00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:12.559
<v Speaker 1>lantern to find the tree. He got close enough to

929
00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:14.599
<v Speaker 1>see Duke at the base of a big white oak,

930
00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:17.679
<v Speaker 1>and the dog was looking up and baying. But the

931
00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:20.079
<v Speaker 1>way his tail was tucked and his body was pressed

932
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:23.360
<v Speaker 1>low to the ground told Grandad that something wasn't right.

933
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:27.920
<v Speaker 1>A dog that's tree. A coon is excited, confident, proud

934
00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:32.559
<v Speaker 1>of itself. Duke looked terrified. Granddad shone the lantern up

935
00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:35.360
<v Speaker 1>into the tree and couldn't see anything. He swept the

936
00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:40.039
<v Speaker 1>beam around through the branches. Nothing, no eye, shine, no shape,

937
00:51:40.519 --> 00:51:44.360
<v Speaker 1>no movement. Duke kept barking, but his bark was changing,

938
00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:48.320
<v Speaker 1>getting more frantic, and then he suddenly stopped, turned and

939
00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:51.920
<v Speaker 1>bolted past Grandad into the darkness, heading back toward the

940
00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:54.599
<v Speaker 1>house as fast as he could run. And in the

941
00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:59.119
<v Speaker 1>silence that followed, Granddad heard breathing, not his own, not

942
00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:02.440
<v Speaker 1>the dog's. It came from somewhere up in the canopy

943
00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:05.400
<v Speaker 1>of that oak, maybe thirty feet above him, and it

944
00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:08.920
<v Speaker 1>was slow and deep, the kind of deliberate, measured breathing

945
00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:11.639
<v Speaker 1>you'd hear from something very large that was trying to

946
00:52:11.639 --> 00:52:15.280
<v Speaker 1>be quiet and not quite managing it. Each exhale had

947
00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:19.360
<v Speaker 1>a faint rattle to it, a wet, congested quality, and

948
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:22.800
<v Speaker 1>the inhale was a long, controlled draw through the nostrils

949
00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:25.719
<v Speaker 1>that he could hear clearly because the night was that still.

950
00:52:26.519 --> 00:52:29.840
<v Speaker 1>He didn't look up again. He turned around, walked back

951
00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:32.519
<v Speaker 1>to the house, and he never coon hunted along that

952
00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:35.840
<v Speaker 1>creek bottom again. Duke wouldn't go near that stretch of

953
00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:38.559
<v Speaker 1>timber for the rest of his life, and Granddad didn't

954
00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:41.920
<v Speaker 1>blame him. The last thing that happened, and this one

955
00:52:41.920 --> 00:52:44.320
<v Speaker 1>he told me about only a few months before he died,

956
00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:46.559
<v Speaker 1>when his health was failing, and I think he wanted

957
00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:49.400
<v Speaker 1>to get everything out before it was too late, was

958
00:52:49.400 --> 00:52:52.679
<v Speaker 1>from nineteen eighty two. He'd been driving his truck along

959
00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:55.559
<v Speaker 1>the gravel road that ran past the old back acreage,

960
00:52:55.840 --> 00:52:58.360
<v Speaker 1>heading to a neighbor's place to borrow a piece of equipment.

961
00:52:59.159 --> 00:53:02.400
<v Speaker 1>It was early morning, just after first light, and there

962
00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:04.840
<v Speaker 1>was fog in the low places, the way there always

963
00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:07.880
<v Speaker 1>is in those hollows in autumn. As he came around

964
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:10.440
<v Speaker 1>a curve, his headlights swept across the road and caught

965
00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:13.320
<v Speaker 1>something crossing from one side to the other, maybe one

966
00:53:13.360 --> 00:53:16.960
<v Speaker 1>hundred yards ahead. It was one of them, moving at

967
00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:21.239
<v Speaker 1>a fast walk, upright, arm swinging, covering the distance from

968
00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:23.079
<v Speaker 1>the tree line on one side of the road to

969
00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:26.159
<v Speaker 1>the timber on the other in about four strides. It

970
00:53:26.280 --> 00:53:28.880
<v Speaker 1>was big, taller than the one he'd seen near the

971
00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:31.599
<v Speaker 1>creek in sixty six, he thought, though it was hard

972
00:53:31.599 --> 00:53:34.760
<v Speaker 1>to judge through the fog, and at that distance it

973
00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:38.400
<v Speaker 1>was dark, almost black, and the headlights reflected off the

974
00:53:38.440 --> 00:53:40.880
<v Speaker 1>hair on its back and shoulders in a way that

975
00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:44.280
<v Speaker 1>made it look oily or wet. It never turned to

976
00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:47.559
<v Speaker 1>look at the truck. It never broke stride or hesitated.

977
00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:50.400
<v Speaker 1>It just crossed the road like the truck wasn't there,

978
00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:54.159
<v Speaker 1>like Grandad wasn't there, Like the road itself was an

979
00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:58.320
<v Speaker 1>inconvenience in its daily routine, and nothing more. And then

980
00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:00.639
<v Speaker 1>it stepped into the fog and the trees on the

981
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:04.480
<v Speaker 1>other side and was gone. Granddad said he sat there

982
00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:06.519
<v Speaker 1>in the truck for a full five minutes before he

983
00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:09.519
<v Speaker 1>could make himself drive forward. When he got to the

984
00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:12.079
<v Speaker 1>spot where it had crossed, he stopped and looked at

985
00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:15.599
<v Speaker 1>the road, and there in the damp gravel were two footprints,

986
00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:19.039
<v Speaker 1>each one sunk deep enough that water was already seeping

987
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:22.559
<v Speaker 1>into them from below. He didn't get out, he didn't

988
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:25.760
<v Speaker 1>measure them. He just looked, and then he drove on.

989
00:54:26.800 --> 00:54:30.039
<v Speaker 1>That was the last time he ever saw one. Seventeen

990
00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:32.480
<v Speaker 1>years had passed since the sale of the back acreage,

991
00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:35.719
<v Speaker 1>and there it still was, walking across the road at

992
00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:40.000
<v Speaker 1>dawn like it owned the world, which Grandad said it

993
00:54:40.079 --> 00:54:43.400
<v Speaker 1>probably did. He told me that what struck him hardest

994
00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:46.440
<v Speaker 1>about that last sighting wasn't the size, or the speed,

995
00:54:46.840 --> 00:54:50.239
<v Speaker 1>or even the indifference. It was how healthy the thing looked.

996
00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:53.639
<v Speaker 1>The hair was thick and dark, the stride was long

997
00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:56.920
<v Speaker 1>and confident, and the body moved with a kind of effortless,

998
00:54:56.960 --> 00:55:00.559
<v Speaker 1>mechanical grace that told him these creatures weren't struggling out there.

999
00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:04.880
<v Speaker 1>They weren't starving, they weren't hiding in desperation. They were

1000
00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:10.039
<v Speaker 1>thriving whatever they ate, wherever they sheltered. However, they survived

1001
00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:12.880
<v Speaker 1>the winters and the summers and the decades. They had

1002
00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:15.760
<v Speaker 1>it figured out. They'd had it figured out for longer

1003
00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:19.559
<v Speaker 1>than any person alive could fathom, and that fact, more

1004
00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:22.800
<v Speaker 1>than anything, is what made Granddad finally accept that these

1005
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:26.280
<v Speaker 1>weren't things that would eventually go away. They were permanent.

1006
00:55:26.639 --> 00:55:29.119
<v Speaker 1>They were woven into those mountains the same way the

1007
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:32.639
<v Speaker 1>sandstone and the coal seams were, and nothing any human

1008
00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:35.280
<v Speaker 1>being did or didn't do was going to change that.

1009
00:55:36.199 --> 00:55:38.920
<v Speaker 1>He didn't talk about any of this for years. It

1010
00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:41.599
<v Speaker 1>was locked up inside him, and I think he assumed

1011
00:55:41.639 --> 00:55:44.599
<v Speaker 1>it would stay there. My dad and his siblings grew

1012
00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:47.440
<v Speaker 1>up on that farm through the seventies and eighties without

1013
00:55:47.440 --> 00:55:50.880
<v Speaker 1>any idea what their father had experienced. They knew the

1014
00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:53.639
<v Speaker 1>back forty had been sold, but Granddad told them the

1015
00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:56.719
<v Speaker 1>soil was played out and it wasn't worth the taxes anymore.

1016
00:55:57.400 --> 00:56:00.480
<v Speaker 1>They had no reason to question that. Kids don't question

1017
00:56:00.599 --> 00:56:03.719
<v Speaker 1>the decisions their parents make about land. But there were

1018
00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:07.800
<v Speaker 1>small things my dad told me once, years after Granddad

1019
00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:10.440
<v Speaker 1>shared all of this with me, that he remembered as

1020
00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:12.920
<v Speaker 1>a boy being told never to go past the tobacco

1021
00:56:13.000 --> 00:56:16.920
<v Speaker 1>barn by himself. Every kid on every farm in Kentucky

1022
00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:20.599
<v Speaker 1>was given boundaries, so that didn't seem unusual, but my

1023
00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:23.320
<v Speaker 1>dad said Granddad was fierce about it in a way

1024
00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:27.079
<v Speaker 1>that went beyond normal caution. If my dad or Uncle

1025
00:56:27.159 --> 00:56:30.440
<v Speaker 1>Roy wandered too close to the back fence line, Granddad

1026
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:32.159
<v Speaker 1>would come get them with a look on his face

1027
00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:36.119
<v Speaker 1>that my dad described as something close to panic, not anger,

1028
00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:39.559
<v Speaker 1>not the irritation of a parent whose kid had wandered off.

1029
00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:43.679
<v Speaker 1>Something sharper than that, something that looked like real fear.

1030
00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:47.000
<v Speaker 1>My dad said he only saw that look a handful

1031
00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:49.719
<v Speaker 1>of times in his life, and it was always connected

1032
00:56:49.719 --> 00:56:52.679
<v Speaker 1>to the back end of the property. My aunt Linda

1033
00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:55.719
<v Speaker 1>told me something similar. She remembered being about eight or

1034
00:56:55.800 --> 00:56:59.960
<v Speaker 1>nine years old, so this would have been around nineteen seventy.

1035
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<v Speaker 1>Near the creek crossing. One afternoon, she said she heard

1036
00:57:03.559 --> 00:57:06.039
<v Speaker 1>a sound from the woods that scared her, though she

1037
00:57:06.039 --> 00:57:09.039
<v Speaker 1>couldn't describe what it was, just that it was deep

1038
00:57:09.079 --> 00:57:11.639
<v Speaker 1>and loud and didn't sound like any animal she knew.

1039
00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:15.000
<v Speaker 1>She ran back to the house and told Granddad, and

1040
00:57:15.039 --> 00:57:17.559
<v Speaker 1>he didn't question her, didn't tell her it was nothing,

1041
00:57:18.079 --> 00:57:21.360
<v Speaker 1>didn't dismiss it the way adults usually dismiss a child's fear.

1042
00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:24.840
<v Speaker 1>He just said, don't go down there anymore, and that

1043
00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:29.079
<v Speaker 1>was it. She never went back to the creek crossing alone.

1044
00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:31.719
<v Speaker 1>There was another piece of family history that Granddad shared

1045
00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:34.960
<v Speaker 1>with me, and I think it matters. I mentioned his

1046
00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:39.000
<v Speaker 1>great uncle Fess and the old stories about boogers. Well,

1047
00:57:39.280 --> 00:57:42.800
<v Speaker 1>Granddad eventually did some asking around in the family quietly

1048
00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:46.280
<v Speaker 1>without explaining why, and he found out that the stories

1049
00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:50.039
<v Speaker 1>went back further than fess his own grandfather, a man

1050
00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:53.920
<v Speaker 1>named Jeremiah, had homesteaded that property in the eighteen sixties

1051
00:57:54.119 --> 00:57:56.800
<v Speaker 1>after coming back from the Civil War, and according to

1052
00:57:56.840 --> 00:58:01.840
<v Speaker 1>family legend, Jeremiah had chosen that particular hollow specifically because

1053
00:58:01.880 --> 00:58:05.199
<v Speaker 1>it had good water and rich bottomland, but he'd always

1054
00:58:05.239 --> 00:58:08.480
<v Speaker 1>warned his children about the old ones on the ridge.

1055
00:58:08.519 --> 00:58:11.760
<v Speaker 1>Granddad didn't know exactly what Jeremiah meant by that, and

1056
00:58:11.800 --> 00:58:14.519
<v Speaker 1>by the time he started asking, everyone who might have

1057
00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:18.960
<v Speaker 1>known was long dead. But the implication was clear. Whatever

1058
00:58:19.000 --> 00:58:21.480
<v Speaker 1>lived on Briar Ridge had been there when the first

1059
00:58:21.519 --> 00:58:24.119
<v Speaker 1>member of our family arrived, and it had been a

1060
00:58:24.199 --> 00:58:26.639
<v Speaker 1>known enough presence that the man who built the farm

1061
00:58:26.719 --> 00:58:30.320
<v Speaker 1>had taken it into account. Granddad also told me about

1062
00:58:30.320 --> 00:58:32.800
<v Speaker 1>a conversation he had with an old woman named Effie,

1063
00:58:33.239 --> 00:58:35.599
<v Speaker 1>who lived about ten miles up the river and was

1064
00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:38.559
<v Speaker 1>known locally as something of a folk healer and storyteller.

1065
00:58:39.400 --> 00:58:41.840
<v Speaker 1>This would have been in the early seventies, not long

1066
00:58:41.880 --> 00:58:45.159
<v Speaker 1>after Granddad had sold the back acreage. He'd gone to

1067
00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:48.559
<v Speaker 1>see Effie about something else entirely. I think my grandmother

1068
00:58:48.639 --> 00:58:51.599
<v Speaker 1>needed a remedy for a skin rash, the way mountain

1069
00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:54.440
<v Speaker 1>people still relied on herbal medicine even when there were

1070
00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:57.840
<v Speaker 1>doctors available. And while he was there, he asked her

1071
00:58:57.880 --> 00:59:01.440
<v Speaker 1>carefully whether she'd ever heard tell of large, hairy creatures

1072
00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:04.679
<v Speaker 1>in the hills around Perry County. Effie looked at him

1073
00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:07.280
<v Speaker 1>for a long time, he said, and then she told

1074
00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:10.519
<v Speaker 1>him something that stayed with him. She said her own grandmother,

1075
00:59:10.719 --> 00:59:13.360
<v Speaker 1>who'd been a full blooded Cherokee, had told her that

1076
00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:17.119
<v Speaker 1>the old people called those creatures something that translated roughly

1077
00:59:17.159 --> 00:59:20.800
<v Speaker 1>to the watchers or the ones who stay hidden. She

1078
00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:23.079
<v Speaker 1>said they'd been in these mountains since the beginning, and

1079
00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:26.440
<v Speaker 1>that they weren't animals and they weren't people. They were

1080
00:59:26.440 --> 00:59:29.719
<v Speaker 1>something in between, something that belonged to the mountains, the

1081
00:59:29.719 --> 00:59:32.559
<v Speaker 1>way the mountains belonged to the earth, and the best

1082
00:59:32.599 --> 00:59:35.039
<v Speaker 1>thing any person could do was leave them alone and

1083
00:59:35.079 --> 00:59:37.840
<v Speaker 1>be grateful that they mostly chose to leave us alone.

1084
00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:42.000
<v Speaker 1>In return, Granddad said that conversation was the closest he

1085
00:59:42.039 --> 00:59:45.679
<v Speaker 1>ever came to an explanation that satisfied him. He first

1086
00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:47.960
<v Speaker 1>opened up to me when I was about sixteen, in

1087
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:51.000
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and eight. We were sitting on the porch

1088
00:59:51.039 --> 00:59:54.199
<v Speaker 1>one evening in late October. It was dusk and the

1089
00:59:54.280 --> 00:59:56.760
<v Speaker 1>light was doing that same thin gold thing on the

1090
00:59:56.880 --> 00:59:59.719
<v Speaker 1>ridge that he described from that first sighting. Stay tuned

1091
00:59:59.760 --> 01:00:03.079
<v Speaker 1>from four back Woods Bigfoot stories. We'll be back after

1092
01:00:03.119 --> 01:00:08.039
<v Speaker 1>these messages. And he said, out of nowhere, you see

1093
01:00:08.039 --> 01:00:10.920
<v Speaker 1>that ridge line up there, Caleb, I said, I did,

1094
01:00:11.440 --> 01:00:13.920
<v Speaker 1>And he said, there's things that live on that ridge

1095
01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:16.320
<v Speaker 1>that don't have a name. I've seen them with my

1096
01:00:16.400 --> 01:00:18.679
<v Speaker 1>own eyes, and they're as real as you and me,

1097
01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:22.400
<v Speaker 1>and they've been there longer than any of us. That

1098
01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:25.960
<v Speaker 1>was the first time. Over the next eleven years until

1099
01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:28.800
<v Speaker 1>his death, he told me the rest, bit by bit,

1100
01:00:29.239 --> 01:00:32.960
<v Speaker 1>piece by piece, always on his own terms. He never

1101
01:00:33.039 --> 01:00:36.639
<v Speaker 1>used the word bigfoot, He never used the word sasquatch.

1102
01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:40.639
<v Speaker 1>He called them boogers, or sometimes the things on the ridge,

1103
01:00:41.119 --> 01:00:44.519
<v Speaker 1>or sometimes just them. He didn't want to fit his

1104
01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:48.039
<v Speaker 1>experience into somebody else's framework. He didn't want it turned

1105
01:00:48.079 --> 01:00:51.639
<v Speaker 1>into entertainment or reduced to some blurry photograph argument on

1106
01:00:51.679 --> 01:00:55.079
<v Speaker 1>the internet. He'd seen what he'd seen, and he'd lived

1107
01:00:55.079 --> 01:00:57.400
<v Speaker 1>with the weight of it for forty years, and he

1108
01:00:57.480 --> 01:01:00.679
<v Speaker 1>wasn't interested in having it dissected or debated by people

1109
01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:03.599
<v Speaker 1>who hadn't been there. When I asked him if he'd

1110
01:01:03.639 --> 01:01:06.440
<v Speaker 1>ever been tempted to tell someone official, he shook his

1111
01:01:06.519 --> 01:01:09.559
<v Speaker 1>head and said, who'd have believed me? And what good

1112
01:01:09.559 --> 01:01:12.599
<v Speaker 1>would it have done. You can't catch them, you can't

1113
01:01:12.679 --> 01:01:14.920
<v Speaker 1>kill them, and if you go looking for them, you're

1114
01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:18.400
<v Speaker 1>just asking for trouble. They were there first. All a

1115
01:01:18.440 --> 01:01:21.079
<v Speaker 1>man can do is keep his distance and mind his

1116
01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:24.719
<v Speaker 1>own business. Then he paused, and this is the part

1117
01:01:24.800 --> 01:01:28.039
<v Speaker 1>I think about the most. But I'll tell you this, Caleb.

1118
01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:31.199
<v Speaker 1>They knew everything about us. They knew when we got

1119
01:01:31.320 --> 01:01:34.000
<v Speaker 1>up and when we went to bed. They knew which

1120
01:01:34.039 --> 01:01:37.039
<v Speaker 1>fields we worked and which ones we didn't. They knew

1121
01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:39.960
<v Speaker 1>the dog's names better than we did, because they'd watch

1122
01:01:40.039 --> 01:01:43.280
<v Speaker 1>those dogs every night of their lives. We were living

1123
01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:46.440
<v Speaker 1>right next to something that understood us completely, and we

1124
01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:49.639
<v Speaker 1>didn't understand the first thing about it. That's what kept

1125
01:01:49.639 --> 01:01:52.440
<v Speaker 1>me up at night. Not the size of them, not

1126
01:01:52.519 --> 01:01:55.920
<v Speaker 1>the sounds, not any of that. It was the knowing

1127
01:01:56.519 --> 01:01:59.440
<v Speaker 1>they knew us, and we didn't have the slightest idea

1128
01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:03.960
<v Speaker 1>what they were. He died on March seventh, twenty nineteen

1129
01:02:04.360 --> 01:02:06.880
<v Speaker 1>in his bed in the same house where he'd heard

1130
01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:10.679
<v Speaker 1>those footsteps circle all those years before. My dad and

1131
01:02:10.719 --> 01:02:13.119
<v Speaker 1>my uncle and my aunt were all there, and none

1132
01:02:13.119 --> 01:02:15.840
<v Speaker 1>of them knew about the boogers on the ridge. He'd

1133
01:02:15.840 --> 01:02:18.519
<v Speaker 1>only told me, and I found out later one of

1134
01:02:18.599 --> 01:02:21.599
<v Speaker 1>his brothers, my great uncle Vernon, who'd had his own

1135
01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:25.159
<v Speaker 1>experiences on a different piece of property about fifteen miles away,

1136
01:02:25.599 --> 01:02:30.079
<v Speaker 1>but had kept them equally quiet. Vernon died in twenty sixteen,

1137
01:02:30.400 --> 01:02:33.000
<v Speaker 1>so I can't ask him about it now. I still

1138
01:02:33.039 --> 01:02:35.760
<v Speaker 1>go out to the farm. My dad owns the house

1139
01:02:35.800 --> 01:02:38.280
<v Speaker 1>and the remaining acreage, and we use it mostly for

1140
01:02:38.360 --> 01:02:41.840
<v Speaker 1>hunting and as a family gathering place. The back forty

1141
01:02:41.880 --> 01:02:45.039
<v Speaker 1>that Granddad sold has changed hands several more times and

1142
01:02:45.119 --> 01:02:47.960
<v Speaker 1>is largely grown over now. The fields are full of

1143
01:02:47.960 --> 01:02:51.480
<v Speaker 1>brush and young timber, and the old tobacco barn collapsed

1144
01:02:51.519 --> 01:02:55.039
<v Speaker 1>sometime in the nineties. The ridge behind it looks exactly

1145
01:02:55.079 --> 01:03:00.679
<v Speaker 1>the same as it always has, dense, dark, wild. I've

1146
01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:02.679
<v Speaker 1>stood at the edge of that tree line on autumn

1147
01:03:02.719 --> 01:03:05.360
<v Speaker 1>evenings and looked up at the ridge, and I felt

1148
01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:08.920
<v Speaker 1>something looking back. I know how that sounds, and I

1149
01:03:08.920 --> 01:03:12.440
<v Speaker 1>don't care. There's a quality to that gaze that's different

1150
01:03:12.440 --> 01:03:15.360
<v Speaker 1>from the normal feeling of being in the woods. It's

1151
01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:18.000
<v Speaker 1>not the paranoia of a deer hunter being watched by

1152
01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:22.559
<v Speaker 1>a bird. It's the specific, weighted attention of intelligence, and

1153
01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:25.440
<v Speaker 1>it comes from somewhere up in that timber, and it's

1154
01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:29.119
<v Speaker 1>as patient and constant as the mountain itself. I haven't

1155
01:03:29.119 --> 01:03:32.000
<v Speaker 1>seen one. I haven't heard the screams or the knocks.

1156
01:03:32.559 --> 01:03:35.880
<v Speaker 1>I haven't found the prince. Maybe they've moved deeper into

1157
01:03:35.920 --> 01:03:39.079
<v Speaker 1>the hills as the years have passed, or maybe they're

1158
01:03:39.119 --> 01:03:41.119
<v Speaker 1>still there and I just haven't been in the right

1159
01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:44.440
<v Speaker 1>place at the right time. But I believe my granddad.

1160
01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:48.079
<v Speaker 1>I believe him with everything I have, because he was

1161
01:03:48.119 --> 01:03:51.199
<v Speaker 1>the most honest and practical man I've ever known, and

1162
01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:53.239
<v Speaker 1>because the fear I saw in his eyes when he

1163
01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:55.480
<v Speaker 1>talked about those things was not the kind of fear

1164
01:03:55.519 --> 01:03:59.079
<v Speaker 1>a person in vents. It was the residue of genuine

1165
01:03:59.079 --> 01:04:01.719
<v Speaker 1>bone deep in camp with something that didn't belong in

1166
01:04:01.760 --> 01:04:04.400
<v Speaker 1>any book he'd ever read or any world he'd been

1167
01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:08.440
<v Speaker 1>taught to expect. I don't know what they are. Granddad

1168
01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:10.960
<v Speaker 1>didn't know either, and he'd spent more time thinking about

1169
01:04:10.960 --> 01:04:14.280
<v Speaker 1>it than anyone. He didn't think they were apes. He

1170
01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:17.440
<v Speaker 1>told me that several times. He said. Apes don't throw

1171
01:04:17.519 --> 01:04:20.440
<v Speaker 1>rocks on purpose, apes don't circle a house in the

1172
01:04:20.440 --> 01:04:22.679
<v Speaker 1>middle of the night, and apes don't look at you

1173
01:04:22.760 --> 01:04:25.119
<v Speaker 1>with the kind of intelligence he'd seen in those deep

1174
01:04:25.159 --> 01:04:28.360
<v Speaker 1>set eyes near the creek crossing. He thought they were

1175
01:04:28.360 --> 01:04:32.199
<v Speaker 1>something else, something older, something that had been living in

1176
01:04:32.199 --> 01:04:35.639
<v Speaker 1>these mountains since long before our family or anybody else

1177
01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:38.760
<v Speaker 1>had settled here, something that had learned to stay hidden,

1178
01:04:39.360 --> 01:04:41.760
<v Speaker 1>not because it was stupid, but because it was smart

1179
01:04:41.840 --> 01:04:43.920
<v Speaker 1>enough to know that being found would be the end

1180
01:04:43.960 --> 01:04:47.199
<v Speaker 1>of it. They're smarter than us about the things that matter,

1181
01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:49.760
<v Speaker 1>he told me. Once they know how to live without

1182
01:04:49.800 --> 01:04:53.440
<v Speaker 1>being seen, we can't even imagine that. I want to

1183
01:04:53.440 --> 01:04:55.760
<v Speaker 1>add one more thing, and then I'll let this go.

1184
01:04:56.920 --> 01:05:01.199
<v Speaker 1>In twenty seventeen, two years before Granddad died, I was

1185
01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:04.599
<v Speaker 1>visiting him at the farm. It was late October and

1186
01:05:04.639 --> 01:05:07.360
<v Speaker 1>the trees were that brilliant orange and red that Eastern

1187
01:05:07.400 --> 01:05:11.039
<v Speaker 1>Kentucky does better than anywhere else on earth. I'd brought

1188
01:05:11.079 --> 01:05:13.519
<v Speaker 1>my wife and our daughter, who was three at the time.

1189
01:05:14.199 --> 01:05:17.159
<v Speaker 1>We were all sitting on the porch, Granddad in his chair,

1190
01:05:17.480 --> 01:05:20.079
<v Speaker 1>my daughter in his lap, and he was pointing out

1191
01:05:20.119 --> 01:05:26.719
<v Speaker 1>the different trees on the ridge and telling her their names, oak, poplar, cedar, hickory.

1192
01:05:26.840 --> 01:05:29.199
<v Speaker 1>She was repeating them back to him in her little voice,

1193
01:05:29.599 --> 01:05:31.840
<v Speaker 1>and he was smiling, and it was one of those

1194
01:05:31.880 --> 01:05:35.679
<v Speaker 1>perfect moments that you hold on to after someone is gone.

1195
01:05:35.719 --> 01:05:38.599
<v Speaker 1>Then a sound came from the ridge. It was faint,

1196
01:05:39.039 --> 01:05:43.000
<v Speaker 1>distant and brief, a single low whoop that rose and

1197
01:05:43.039 --> 01:05:46.039
<v Speaker 1>fell over the course of about two seconds. It could

1198
01:05:46.039 --> 01:05:50.880
<v Speaker 1>have been anything, a bird, maybe win through a hollow tree.

1199
01:05:50.920 --> 01:05:54.840
<v Speaker 1>But Granddad's face changed, the smile dropped away, and for

1200
01:05:54.960 --> 01:05:56.800
<v Speaker 1>just a moment, I saw the young man he'd been

1201
01:05:56.840 --> 01:06:00.360
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty two, standing in the frost, looking at

1202
01:06:00.400 --> 01:06:03.400
<v Speaker 1>prints that shouldn't exist. He looked at me over my

1203
01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:06.039
<v Speaker 1>daughter's head, and his eyes were saying something that his

1204
01:06:06.119 --> 01:06:10.239
<v Speaker 1>mouth wouldn't form. Then the moment passed. He kissed my

1205
01:06:10.320 --> 01:06:12.840
<v Speaker 1>daughter on the top of her head and said, that's

1206
01:06:12.880 --> 01:06:16.599
<v Speaker 1>just an old owl, sweetheart, nothing to worry about. But

1207
01:06:16.679 --> 01:06:19.960
<v Speaker 1>his hand was shaking. I saw it. And when I

1208
01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:23.360
<v Speaker 1>looked at the ridge, that darkening wall of timber rising

1209
01:06:23.440 --> 01:06:26.760
<v Speaker 1>up behind everything we loved, I understood something that my

1210
01:06:26.840 --> 01:06:30.320
<v Speaker 1>granddad had understood for half a century. There are things

1211
01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:32.719
<v Speaker 1>in these old mountains that we live alongside every day

1212
01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:35.920
<v Speaker 1>without ever seeing, And they've been watching us with patient,

1213
01:06:36.079 --> 01:06:39.360
<v Speaker 1>unknowable eyes since before we had a name for this place.

1214
01:06:39.920 --> 01:06:41.960
<v Speaker 1>And they'll still be there long after the last of

1215
01:06:42.039 --> 01:06:44.559
<v Speaker 1>us has turned to dust and the last tobacco barn

1216
01:06:44.599 --> 01:06:47.199
<v Speaker 1>has fallen and the last fence post has rotted back

1217
01:06:47.239 --> 01:06:50.719
<v Speaker 1>into the earth. Whatever they are, they were there first,

1218
01:06:51.239 --> 01:06:54.159
<v Speaker 1>and they know it. Thank you for reading this, Brian.

1219
01:06:54.679 --> 01:06:57.679
<v Speaker 1>I trust you to do right by my granddad's memory.

1220
01:06:57.760 --> 01:07:00.280
<v Speaker 1>He deserved better than to carry this alone for so long,

1221
01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:03.119
<v Speaker 1>and maybe sharing it will give some other family in

1222
01:07:03.159 --> 01:07:05.960
<v Speaker 1>these hills the courage to talk about what they've seen,

1223
01:07:06.599 --> 01:10:22.199
<v Speaker 1>because I promise you we aren't the only ones. Caleb Hazard, Kentucky,

1224
01:08:08.760 --> 01:10:04.760
<v Speaker 1>di the
