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Speaker 1: Well off of a weekend that has seen the Monster

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once again be the Monster and to defend.

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Speaker 2: His undisputed titles.

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Speaker 1: It has seen Diego Pacheco take another step forward against

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an American.

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Speaker 2: Veteran that gave him a bit of a hard time.

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Speaker 1: It also saw Andy Kruz get another win in the

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co feature of the Matchrooms own show. We're ready to

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recap all of that. We've got news, We've got nostalgia,

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and much more. It is the Fight Freaks U Nite

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Recap podcast. I am the somewhat lucid host TJ Reeves.

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He is our insider fight Freak to night is after

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all his substack and his newsletter. You should be all

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over it. I mean for the last three or four weeks.

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There's all kinds of news info, all kinds of things

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that are there on the newsletter that you get before

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we can get to the.

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Speaker 2: Pods on the weekend. We love it. From Dan Rayphield,

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Hello there, welcome in.

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Speaker 3: Hey.

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Speaker 2: We have a bevy of fights to talk about.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that we have had a show in

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January with this much to talk about off of a weekend,

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which is a good thing business has.

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Speaker 3: How are you, yeah, listen.

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Speaker 4: It's Stat's Tita's pretty much most years, and so now

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we're back in the groove. In February is humongus. So

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we're good to go.

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Speaker 2: Uh. We love our audience.

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Speaker 1: We preview going into the weekend, we recap coming off

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the weekend, huge February coming up.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna want to be right here.

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Speaker 1: By the way, you already heard from David Benavitas on

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the previous pod. Shall we tell them that as February

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gets going, Benavitas and morel pay per view Keishawn Davis

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is coming up in this month, you're going to hear

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from him on the podcast feed. Then February twenty second,

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I was talking to somebody about this today real quick

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before we get the recaps, and he was talking to me.

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Speaker 2: He said, what's with? He said, what's with?

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Speaker 1: What's with this card in boxing in Saudi Arabia? And

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I said, what do you mean what's with? I said,

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there are am i correct, five world title fights in

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addition to whatever else you have on it. I said,

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it is a loaded card and they aren't paying me

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to say this, So we'll have plenty around that as well.

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Speaker 2: Coming up later on in the morning.

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Speaker 4: That card I mean, I'm looking at my listing here, one, two, three, four,

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five six. If you're counting interim title fights, all right,

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it's a total of seven.

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Speaker 2: Is that fight card gonna begin at seven a m.

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U s Time?

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Speaker 4: Just to get all over the Bole for the undispeted

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light Evyway title versus Parker for the heavyweight title, Chakor

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versus Schofield for the WBC lightweight title, Adamis versus Shiraz

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WBC middleweight title, Virgil Ortiz bage More for the interim

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WC Junior middleweight title. Five Jang Big Bang Jang against

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Cabiel your boy the the WBC interim heavyweight title. Sure, six,

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and then you got Joshua Batzi versus Calum Smiths of

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the for Bwazi's WBO interim light heavyweight title.

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Speaker 2: That would be seven. And again it could be breakfast

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with the Saladi.

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Speaker 4: And then and then besides that three sort of prospecte

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Speaker 1: I understand if there's ten fights on the card, they

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may be starting at seven a m. Eastern time Saturday morning.

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I may not be exaggerating now on that get your

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chick all right, by the way, review us, we love it.

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Let's get into what we have seen it.

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Speaker 4: You forgot to say one thing you mentioned I'm gonna have.

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also we have an interview with Demetri Bibo coming oh,

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that's right from his training camp in Turkey.

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Speaker 1: And Bevo looking for revenge obviously, and so we got

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a lot. We got a loft coming up. All right,

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let's get into it. Since last you and I talked

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here on this pod. The Monster did get the knockout

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win over the South Korean late replacement opponent Naoya in

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a way, looked every bit as good as we thought

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he would. Took a little bit of time to warm up,

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and then the big left kind of shook up Kim.

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Speaker 3: Dan.

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Speaker 2: He kept waving it head away, not.

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Speaker 3: A smart move.

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Speaker 2: Come at me, come at.

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Speaker 3: Me, Bro.

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Speaker 2: And then he got a big right hand.

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Speaker 1: He ate a big right hand, went down, didn't get up,

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had the left eye swelling. That was it, all right,

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give me some more on what you saw early morning

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Speaker 4: Kind of perform. You know, it's sort of what we

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expected from that performance. It was, you know, if we're

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gonna start to penalize anyway, because it takes them a

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couple of rounds or around to get into it. I mean,

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Speaker 4: Granted he was not fighting a well known or top

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level opponent, but the reality was, I'm gonna forgive a

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guy if he takes a round to maybe see what

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he's got in front of him, a guy that he

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wasn't in a training camp getting ready for who took

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the fight on you know, well publicized eleven days notice

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after the injury. The second injury to Sam Goodman caused

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him to drop out because of an another cut, and

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minutes or so to get in the groove. This was

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the Monster as usual, precise with his punches, accurate, hard punches,

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you know, good movement, good speed, you know, but also

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willing to step in and take a couple of gambles.

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couple of right hands from Kim. Just didn't have the

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kind of power that to do any real damage. And

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in a way he saw them when he did get hit.

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of a fun fight. Great atmosphere, great ring, entrance, all that,

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Speaker 1: Those that did not see it, it was kind of reminiscent,

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was it not a Prince nasim hmen on the magic carpet,

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but in this case, he was on like the elevated

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lift like you see.

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Speaker 2: At a magic show, And I'm like, that was cool.

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Speaker 1: Why do I get the feeling that the entrance and

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the production for the entrance may be more entertaining than

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the fight, But I just I digress.

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Speaker 4: Go ahead, Yeah, I mean it was exting. I mean

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again for one sided ass whoop, and it was entertaining.

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and it's not his fault that his opponent, Sam Goodman

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got hurt, so I can't penalize him for that. The

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place was sold out fifteen thousand or whatever it was

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in the Ariaka Arena where he's fought many times in Tokyo,

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and his fans are going to turn out whether he's fighting.

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and he made a spectacular I always say, if you're

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going to be in a fight that the public and

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the media perceive as a mismatch, at least if you

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go in there and you do what you're supposed to do,

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no one's gonna say boop. So he did exactly that.

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He scored with a big shot, knocked the guy out

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with one punch. You know, Kim, did you know he

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hung in there for a couple of rounds. Pat his

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biggest fight, didn't seem unnerved by the spotlight. So credit

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to him for that. Maybe he can learn from that

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and create a better career for himself going forward. But

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this was the annoyed in a way show. And now

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this was get this out of the way. Now it's

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next stop Las Vegas, after that, Saudi Arabia. He's gonna fight,

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you know, multiple more times this year. As we talk

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about activity is king. You make your legacy, you make

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your money, you make your fans, And that's what the

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man is doing.

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Speaker 1: And what does it look like? Because Bob Aerin was

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in the ring ninety three years young.

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Speaker 2: Saying he's comment to the United States.

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Speaker 1: What does it look like for when and everybody's curious

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about the opponent, So fill us in.

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Speaker 4: Well, the opponent that top rank that the and the

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team in a way people have been thinking about and

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planning for and sort of figure is going to be

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the opponent is is Picasso, the Mexican contender who has

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now risen to I believe number one in the WBC's rankings,

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although that does not necessarily mean he is the mandatory.

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to one with seventy knockouts, young fighter, twenty four years old.

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who is definitely the mandatory in position ahead of Picasso

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at this point. One hundred percent. I mean, even if

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Goodman's out of the gonna be out because of the

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plastic surgery and the healing from the cuts and everything.

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for they were saying. His team was saying probably at

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least six months. So one hundred percent Achmandaliev should be

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the next up. Why they don't seem interested to fight him,

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good fighter, but it's not like in a way he's

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ducked other guys. He's beaten plenty of other good quality opponents,

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so they'll be an argument there. So I think the

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best case scenario for Achmadaiev, who appears as though he's

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not got a chance what's over to get the fight

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is that they can force the WBA's hand and perhaps

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force them to strip in a way, which would be

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a real sh I never like to see champion gets

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shripped to the title for no reason. You know, all

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he's got to do is fight the guys. So the

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reality is, in a way, he's gonna fight in Las Vegas.

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seems like it'll be Picasso. Maybe there's an outside chance

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they can get achmadalive in there, but the bottom line

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is he's coming back to the United States. And as

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they've talked about before the fight and again after the fight,

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remember he did that that sponsorship deal with read season.

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him to fight in Saudi Arabia. But the amount of

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money and attention that's on the table means that come

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the end of the year, he probably will fight his

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third fight this year in Saudi Arabia, so that that's

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gonna make him a world traveler. He fought in Tokyo,

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come and fight in Vegas, go to Saudi Arabia. That's

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what a real world champion does, fight all over the place.

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Speaker 2: I like it, and maybe that's Akhmadaia. If we don't know,

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Speaker 3: Be stripped by that time.

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Speaker 1: It seems to me, well depends if they make a

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little side deal. You never know you right now, but

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I'll fight you for a lot more money in Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 2: This is what makes the world goal round.

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Speaker 4: And you know what, it's not not a completely ridiculous

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thing because the connections of Akwandaliev, they share the manager.

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with Riad season. They've got a relationship over there, so

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stranger things have happened. But the bottom line is no,

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in a way is a phenomenal fighter, the best Japanese

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fighter maybe ever in the history of the Japanese boxing culture.

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I mean, here's a great statistic in terms of what

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this guy has been doing. I mean, I'm not gonna

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say it's because he beat some great opponent, but the

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reality is, stat wise, he's now twenty four and oh

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with twenty two knockouts in world title fights across four

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weight classes, and I say nine twenty six overall.

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Speaker 1: I say this to you all the time when we

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I don't know, and you can even we looked before.

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Terrence Crawford, I don't believe has had twenty.

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Speaker 3: World title fights, not even close.

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Speaker 2: So and to have twenty.

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Speaker 1: Two knockouts, say what you want about the level of

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competition the twenty four fights, that is staggering in the

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present day.

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Speaker 3: I mean, my, my, uh.

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Speaker 4: I don't remember the exact total, but I believe the

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all time record for most of the world title fight appearances,

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whatever the weight division, Julio says Chava is and it's

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somewhere in the thirties. So put that in some possibly

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in range, don't look I mean, but still that's amazing.

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Like Vladimir Klitschko is the all time record for heavyweights.

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He appeared in more heavyweight title bouts than anybody else ever.

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He appeared in twenty nine heavyweight title fights.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I could testify to the audience

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because I could see you're not looking any at anything.

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You know that already. I just know it's crazy that

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he had that many heavyweight.

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Speaker 4: World title fights across two title ranges.

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Speaker 1: The monster certainly looks like he's gonna get six more

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title fights in during his career to get to thirty,

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to get to a magic number thirty. But still, again,

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it's incredible that twenty have it as KOs.

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Speaker 4: When when Chavez appeared in his final world title bout,

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he was a faded older guy. When Vladimir Klitschko appeared

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in his final title about as just using him as

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an example, that was when he fought Anthony Joshua. He

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was over forty years old at that point and then

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he retired. You know it, those numbers.

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Speaker 3: Cropped up, but it took a while to do it.

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Speaker 4: In a way, Yeah, he started a bit younger, but

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he's been active but he's only thirty one years old

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and he's not taken a tremendous amount of damage either.

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I mean, he's had one fight ever that you would

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look at and say that was a really rough, tough fight,

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and that was the first fight, yes against against Noni

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no don Air, that was the fight of the year,

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I believe, the twenty nineteen if I'm not mistaken, yes,

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correct anyway, So at age thirty one, without the damage,

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he seems like he can go for a number of

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more years as long as he has the desire to do.

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Speaker 2: So, let's keep going with the monster.

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Speaker 3: His historic career is continuing to unfold.

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Speaker 1: This whop yep, all right, let's move on to Saturday

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night in Las Vegas where Diego Pacheco was the headliner

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of the Matchroom card with the American Stephen Nelson, the

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veteran undefeated. We wondered as we went into the weekend

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with the preview with Nelson pro solid opposition. It ends

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up being a twelve round fight. Pachecko looked good, but

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he did not get the knockout, right, what are your thoughts?

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He does get the win, Pachecko moves on looking for

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world title shot down the road, But what did what

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did you think of him Saturday night in Vegas?

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Speaker 3: I thought he did a good job. I thought that

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he did what he was supposed to do.

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Speaker 4: Again, Yeah, it's what you what are the expectations relative

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to what you know the the general thought is of

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how the fights should play out, how it actually does

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play out. So I thought when and this is nothing

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against Steven Nel's a nice guy whatever. I've seen him

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at fights plenty of times, been to some of his fights,

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spot on a lot of the Cowford cards, part of

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that team. Hard working guy came to fight big heart,

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never gave up, I mean really really tried to win.

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And I respect that because he was taking a tremendous

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amount of shots yep in that fight. But I said,

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from the moment the fight was signed, While yes, it

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was a perfectly legitimate matchup for a young fighter like

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Diego Pacheco, who's the you know, one of the guys

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that's like the future of the weight class to most people,

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I felt like it was I won't say a mismatch,

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but I was like, definitely Diageo Pacheck was gonna win

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this fight. Like I didn't really see a way that

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he wasn't going to win the fight because he was

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better in everything you could think of right than Stephen Nelson,

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including bigger, stronger, younger, faster, whatever. So Stephen Nelson came

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to do his job, and credit to him, and he'll

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get he'll get fights off that performance, because even though

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he lost, it was an entertaining fight.

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Speaker 3: He had a great attitude about it.

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Speaker 4: Didn't bitch and moan about it, you know, he he

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fought like a like a true pro and just you know,

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just wasn't good enough. And of course, you know, he

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makes the point valid. I agree he was hampered very

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much so by the cut that opened up over his eye.

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I want to say in the fourth round. Uh and

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at that point, diego Pacheco. Then you know, you could

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tell in round five one hundred percent there was a

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definite change in the momentum of that fight because at

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that point the blood's coming into his eye and Pacheco

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was Treateen traditionally like a slower kind of starter. So

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the combination of cut, combined with him finally getting the

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shit together, you know, was bad news for Steven Nelson.

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Speaker 1: You and I both thought Pachecko would get the stoppage

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with what you just set up there that that's in

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the fifth round. Are we not slightly disappointed that he

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didn't get him out of there over the next seven rounds?

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Speaker 4: If we're grading this, I mean a little bit, But

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I mean sometimes you have to give credit to the

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other man. And Stephen and Nelson showed a good shit because,

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let me tell you, he took some heavy duty shots,

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he took some good body shots, he took some good

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left hands, he took some very hard right hands. Even

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the jab that when Pachecko landed was very very stiff,

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and so he hung in there. And I have to

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give him credit for this also, even though when he's

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way way down on the cards, I think he doesn't

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know that, but it seems pretty obvious right when he

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goes back to the corner after the tenth round and

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trainer Brian McIntyre is telling him the truth. You know,

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you got you're falling behind, you got to get this.

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He sprung out there like he was in the first round,

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like he really found a second sort of gear, I guess,

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and he really took it to him in the round

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eleven and the round twelve and closed out very strong.

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But he was too far behind in the end, listen,

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it was one hundreds seventeen to one hundred eleven on

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all three score cards. I thought that was perfect scoring.

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That's that was very legit. That's nine rounds to three.

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So the way I look at the fight, you pretty

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much it was not unreasonable to have the fight two

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to two after two rounds. He started off pretty well.

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Maybe some people might have had three rounds to one.

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After after four rounds, I thought it was two rounds

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to two, and then Pachecko basically from round five to

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like eleven one every round and maybe you could give

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Stephen Nelson eleven and twelve, maybe eleven or twelve one,

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or you know, he definitely won at least one of

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the last two rounds. So in the end, he bookends

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the fight. He starts off well, wins the first couple

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of rounds or two of the first three rounds, and

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book ends the end of the fight wins probably the

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eleventh or the twelfth. Maybe both of you are gonna

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be generous, but look Pachecko's twenty three. That was as

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Eddie Hearn said, and I agree with his statement, that

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was a kind of twelve round tough fight that he

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needed because that's gonna make Diego Pacheco a better fighter.

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You know, he has been the distance in other fights,

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but I feel like that was the of the fights

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he's gone the distance in. This was the best guy

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he fought going the distance in recent times. He got

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the stoppage against Sileski in the last fight in the

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summer in August. That was a big featherniss cap because

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Seleski's vastly experienced and it's fought several good opponents and

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never been stopped. And now he goes to distance with

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Steven Nelson, who gives him a good, solid fight, but

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he he puts the rounds in and you know, at

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that age and that experience, I though, you're going to learn.

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And so now it's off to the races. He is

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number one of the WBO. But it's not going to

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be like a mandatory next you know, we all know

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the Canelo rules the roost there. He's not getting ready

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to fight Williams Skull anytime soon, and so they're talking

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about doing some other fight. He was mentioning guys like

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Caleb Plan and guys like Edgar Berlanga, who was in

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the matchroom stable. He was mentioning like Amongia. You know,

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Mongi is probably gonna have a rematch with with the

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Serrasse maybe if he wins. They're talking about, you know,

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a Charlo if he decides to come back into the business.

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They're looking for that type of a name guy for

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him to force, right, and that's that's the good game plan,

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and then hopefully he can get one of those fights

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made this year. I tell you one thing, DJ Edgar

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berlang is coming back to fight in March and Puerto

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Rico coming off his loss against Canelo Alvarez and Pacheco

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just this win against Stephen Nelson. If Edgar Berlanga takes

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care of the business and they're both with mattrom Boxing,

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you can't tell me that the New York Puerto Rican

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against the California Mexican American, two younger guys who still

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have good futures in this sport.

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Speaker 3: That is a hell of a fight.

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Speaker 2: I do disagree.

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Speaker 3: And Eddie Hern could make that if he really really

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wants to, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, and the fighters would be compelled because there could

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be some money on the line for that co feature fight.

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Andy Kruz victorious over Omar Salcedo, tell me more about

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this decision. Now, you thought Cruz would get him out

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of there full disclosure on the beat Us show, I

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thought he might have a little more trouble with the veteran.

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It is an easy decision win. What do you make

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of it for the Cuban gold medalist and his trajectory,

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his quick trajectory looking for title possibilities.

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Speaker 4: I mean, look, he's not ready for the title yet

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at this point, but that's a good solid win. Omar

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Salcedo is not a journeyman bum fighter. He's a good

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quality guy, has a good chin, coming off a good

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win where he stopped Chris Klobert, and and I thought

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Andy cruise by the third round. I think I tweeted

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at some point like he's playing with him, which is

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what he was doing. And unlike a lot of the

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Cuban fighters that come uh uh, you know the defect

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and turn pro in the United States. You know, it's

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well known that they fight in a certain kind of

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style that they're taught in the amateur program. Andy was

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a very very experienced guy in their amateur program, so

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he was very well schooled in that ability uh to box. Basically,

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you're almost like a fencer with your arm but he's decided,

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and I'm glad that he's done this, partly because of

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where he decided to do his training in Philadelphia with Bozy,

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andis that he's trying to have a pro style that's

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more entertaining. So he does take a couple of risks

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and he does step forward, and you know he's he's

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getting the pro game under his belt. He's the only

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thing that I have concerned about with Andy Kruz has

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nothing to do with his talent, nothing to do with

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his desire, nothing to do with his potential. Is just

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the activity. I mean, he's only got five fight He

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turned pro in July of twenty twenty three, So you

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can't blame the pandemic. You can't blame he didn't have

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a big injury or anything like that. The five fights

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is just not enough activity he needs to Even if

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you're gonna be fighting lesser guys, you gotta be a

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little more active to really to drive the point home.

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It seems to me because he's not getting a title

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fight in the immediate future, so he only fought twice

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in twenty twenty four. I don't have any idea why

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that was the case, at least now in twenty five.

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He's off to a decent start. Because you get a

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first fight in January, that means there's no reason why

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you can't have at least three. In today's business, Andy

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Kruse should fight at least four times this year, whether

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that's doable from a financial perspective or opponents are dates because.

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Speaker 2: On the level of opponent, there's no.

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Speaker 3: Reason he shouldn't be fighting for or.

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Speaker 1: Did we not last Sunday talk about Oscar dey Lo

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Hoolya fighting four prominent times before the end of September

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in one year.

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Speaker 2: It can be done.

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Speaker 4: But in terms of Andy's performance though, look, he dominated.

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He won eight rounds to two on one scorecard, nine

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rounds to one on the other scorecard. I thought that

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was perfectly fine. There was never a moment in the

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fight where I thought he's in trouble. Yeah, he got

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tagged a couple of times. There might have been one

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moment where you're like, you know, he maybe you know,

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got got you know, had to take a big step back,

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but you know he routed him. I mean, and Salcedo,

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like I said, he's a solid guy. I mean, you

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also have to keep in mind when you're watching what

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Andy Cruz is doing. He's fighting legitimate like top fifteen

474
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,480
ish type guys, top eighteen ish type guys in his

475
00:20:34,519 --> 00:20:38,039
fifth fight, So this is not a guy a lot

476
00:20:38,039 --> 00:20:41,119
of times, you know, they they take four round fights,

477
00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:42,960
in six round fights, and by in eight round fights,

478
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,599
and then you walk my way up to ten round fights.

479
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,759
He turned prone to ten rounder so he's you know,

480
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,359
and he doesn't need to have a thousand fights before

481
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,559
that because he's twenty nine years old. And the guy

482
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,599
is one of the best amateurs in the history of

483
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,440
amateur boxing. Gold medals and every kind of term that

484
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,599
you could conceive of, you know, and as they've talked

485
00:20:58,599 --> 00:21:01,400
about many times, you know, there is several victories over

486
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,599
Keishon Davis in the amateuranks. I think he's five and

487
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:08,799
oh against Kishan, including in the Olympics. So Cruise is

488
00:21:08,839 --> 00:21:10,640
on the move. I mean, he's gonna be in He's

489
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,079
going to be a player in the lightweight division.

490
00:21:12,079 --> 00:21:12,680
Speaker 3: It's just a matter.

491
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,440
Speaker 4: As we talked about in previous times, this is not

492
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,640
about his ability, it's about the opportunity. And so we'll

493
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,680
see what Mattriom can create for him. I would just

494
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:21,880
like to see him be a little more busy. But

495
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,039
he thought, beat a good opponent.

496
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,400
Speaker 1: And give me something one more name, and that was

497
00:21:27,519 --> 00:21:33,440
Ernesto Tito Mercado, I mean, but he blasted out Jose Padraza.

498
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,039
This is more about Mercado and his future, and that

499
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,759
was on this same matchroom card. In the recap mode

500
00:21:40,759 --> 00:21:42,960
final thoughts, well, look, this was.

501
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,759
Speaker 4: This was Mercado's first fight since he signed with Mattrim.

502
00:21:45,799 --> 00:21:48,839
Before he signed with Mattrium, his father had gotten him

503
00:21:48,839 --> 00:21:51,759
to sixteen and oh by basically putting on his own shows,

504
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,079
putting him on other fights on other promoters cards, and

505
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,200
there was a lot of people that were interested in him.

506
00:21:57,279 --> 00:21:59,319
And it's very rare that you see a prospect get

507
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,599
that kind of publicity that he got without having a

508
00:22:02,599 --> 00:22:05,640
major promoter. So that shows you that those of us

509
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,559
in the media and pay attention because some of those

510
00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:10,319
fights were able to be seen on YouTube or streamed.

511
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,799
But Tino Mercado, now that he's got matching with him also,

512
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,799
he can make himself even a bigger deal because he

513
00:22:16,839 --> 00:22:18,799
fits in very well with their types of fights that

514
00:22:18,839 --> 00:22:21,000
they have. I mean, they you know, they promote. Of course,

515
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,599
Stevenson is a lightweight eventually he'll be a junior Walter Wad.

516
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,440
He was calling him out after the fight. They were

517
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:30,200
talking about, you know, Barboza type fights, you know, was

518
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,119
he was calling everybody out basically. But the thing I

519
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,799
like about Mercato was this, He's got a he's got

520
00:22:34,839 --> 00:22:37,279
a nasty shriek in the ring. He really wants to

521
00:22:37,559 --> 00:22:39,799
knock your block off, but he does it in a

522
00:22:39,839 --> 00:22:42,759
poised manner. And poor Jose Padraza. Now, look, it was

523
00:22:42,759 --> 00:22:44,839
a step up in terms of the name for Mercado

524
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,599
because he's only now seventeen to er. But but Jose Padraza,

525
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,640
who's such a nice guy. I covered him for many,

526
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,039
many years. I've interviewed him several times. I remember one

527
00:22:55,039 --> 00:22:56,720
time going one when he was in a world title fight,

528
00:22:56,759 --> 00:22:58,319
hanging out in his hotel room with him and his

529
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,039
team for an interview. I mean, the very nice, humble people.

530
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,200
It's time for Jose Padraza. Yeah, I would hope I

531
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,960
don't ever tele a fighter, you have to retire. But

532
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,599
you know what, he's got a beautiful family, He's had

533
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,279
a got of accomplishment in the sport I have. You know,

534
00:23:13,319 --> 00:23:15,720
there's nothing left for him to do because it's just

535
00:23:15,759 --> 00:23:18,839
going to get worse from here, lower paydays and more

536
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:23,279
pain and punishment. Because this was Mercado against the remnants

537
00:23:23,319 --> 00:23:26,079
of Jose Padraza, who at one time was a really

538
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,640
outstanding fighter. I mean, he's still if you really want

539
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,119
to get down to it, you can still make an

540
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,680
argument that he's the best win of Tank Davis's career.

541
00:23:32,759 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 1: You were saying this because the anniversary of that fight, yeah,

542
00:23:36,599 --> 00:23:38,440
was what last week or recently?

543
00:23:38,519 --> 00:23:40,559
Speaker 2: And that fight was eleven.

544
00:23:40,079 --> 00:23:43,519
Speaker 3: Years ago ago. It's quite a while, like eleven years ago.

545
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 4: So Padraza, Yeah, look, he won titles in lightweight division

546
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,559
and the junior lightweight division. Now he's fighting in one

547
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,519
hundred and forty pound division where he really shouldn't be.

548
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,960
This is him coming off of his last fight where

549
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,720
he got absolutely smoked and destroyed in a sixth round

550
00:23:56,799 --> 00:23:59,839
knockout by Keishaan Davis. They brought him down to lightweight

551
00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:02,720
where he end fought for a while. All I know

552
00:24:02,839 --> 00:24:05,880
is this, Jose Padrazza is now four and one in

553
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,079
his last five fights, and he has not won a

554
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,920
fight since twenty twenty one. Now he's lost those fights

555
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,839
a good quality guys, But you know he's gonna get.

556
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 3: Hurt, and I don't want to see what happen.

557
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 4: Ricando gets the name on the record, and uh and

558
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,079
and Padraza takes another beating.

559
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 3: And as we say in the business TJ.

560
00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:25,839
Speaker 4: In boxing, they don't give you a gold watch when

561
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,599
you are when you're on your way out, they get

562
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:28,119
you a beating.

563
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you don't want a worse one somewhere down

564
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,319
the road here in the near future for him, one

565
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,759
more fight card and that is the match room card

566
00:24:36,759 --> 00:24:40,279
in Nottingham, England. Earlier in the day US time, as

567
00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:45,839
Dalton Smith wiped out the French opponent in their junior

568
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:52,039
welterweight European title fight. Walid Owiza wiped him out late

569
00:24:52,079 --> 00:24:54,400
in the first round. He landed a couple of significant punches,

570
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,400
but then a barrage of shots, including a big right hand,

571
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,960
put him down, got up and then in the final

572
00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:02,799
seconds a big left hook right after the knockdown finish

573
00:25:02,839 --> 00:25:03,160
the fight.

574
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 2: The referee stops the fight.

575
00:25:05,759 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 1: Well, we'll be will be kind very little resistance here,

576
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,519
but I mean, like to Dalton the selfish TJ. Knew

577
00:25:12,559 --> 00:25:16,960
I had lost on the on the over with with

578
00:25:17,079 --> 00:25:19,359
Naoya in a way if in a way had fought

579
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,599
the first round like Dalton Smith fought the first round,

580
00:25:21,599 --> 00:25:23,400
I might have gotten the first round knockout Friday morning,

581
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,839
Ray Fiel, Dalton Smith stepped on the gas and got

582
00:25:25,839 --> 00:25:26,640
the guy out of there.

583
00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 4: Well, it's actually officially it was the corner thrown in

584
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,599
the towel, but which you really don't see a lot.

585
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,200
I mean, corner's throwing at towels is fine. Very rarely

586
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:36,759
do you see a corner throw a towel in the

587
00:25:36,759 --> 00:25:40,359
first round, right, That's how little they thought of their guy, apparently.

588
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,480
But Waliza was a horrible opponent. I had just saw

589
00:25:44,519 --> 00:25:46,359
a couple of clips of him. I couldn't believe how

590
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,119
bad he was. Now, and I'm not knocking Dalton Smith.

591
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,599
He went out there and he did what again, You

592
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,319
do what you're supposed to do. So he wins the

593
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,759
European title. Dalton Smith has been a guy that has

594
00:25:53,799 --> 00:25:55,680
had a lot of people in Britain excited for him

595
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,720
for the last few years. He's twenty seven, he's coming

596
00:25:57,759 --> 00:26:00,519
into his own, he is undefeated. He's a tremendous up

597
00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:02,759
and coming fighters seventeen and zero. Now he's got a

598
00:26:02,759 --> 00:26:05,599
fan base, got a good personality, and look, he's moving

599
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,680
on the bigger and better things. He's calling out. What

600
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,160
he really wants to do is fight the winner of

601
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,039
Alberto Playo against Sander Martin. Who are gonna fight, you know,

602
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,680
for Playo's WBC welter Junior welterweight title. That's going to

603
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,559
be on the upcoming Tank Davis under card against Lamont

604
00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:21,680
Roach on March first, and he's gonna He's ranked i

605
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,279
think in the WBC, So that's not out of the

606
00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:26,319
realm of possibility of becoming like a mandatory fight at

607
00:26:26,319 --> 00:26:28,759
some point, or even just you know, because of his

608
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,160
growing popularity, they might be able to make the match

609
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:31,960
just to lure him over.

610
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:32,799
Speaker 3: Uh.

611
00:26:33,079 --> 00:26:35,799
Speaker 4: You know PBC. Uh, it's not a secret. They don't

612
00:26:35,799 --> 00:26:37,480
have as many dates as they once did. They need

613
00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:40,039
they need slots for some of their guys, So you know,

614
00:26:40,079 --> 00:26:42,799
it wouldn't be ridiculous to think that a guy like uh,

615
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,000
if Payo is the winner, would go over there. Santa

616
00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:46,599
Martin is with top rank, that's a different story. We'll

617
00:26:46,599 --> 00:26:48,400
see what they do. All I'm saying is that he's

618
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,440
gonna be in a position probably to fight for a title,

619
00:26:50,759 --> 00:26:53,119
uh in the next couple of fights, but he looked

620
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,000
very good against an opponent who's stunk.

621
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,319
Speaker 1: And they got him out of there, and let's be nice.

622
00:26:59,519 --> 00:27:03,119
Looked nice, let's look be active. Let's see him fight again.

623
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,119
I mean, he didn't have to do anything. Let's see

624
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,599
him for this is me saying this, Let's see him

625
00:27:06,599 --> 00:27:10,000
again in the next ninety days something like that, Stay active,

626
00:27:10,079 --> 00:27:11,079
keep your name relevant.

627
00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 4: And also about to say this also, he really should

628
00:27:13,759 --> 00:27:15,640
get back in there as quickly as possible because coming

629
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,519
off of his last fight was in March of last year,

630
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,240
so he's been he'd been out of the ring like

631
00:27:20,319 --> 00:27:20,799
ten months.

632
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, not injury. They were talking about that in

633
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,519
the build up to the fight. But yeah, there's no

634
00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:27,680
reason after that. I mean, that was a nothing. You

635
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,759
can be back in there. I'm saying this April may

636
00:27:31,079 --> 00:27:36,119
be back. Okay, news, let's get to it. Turkey Ala

637
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,440
chic and Riad season. If now announced what the undercard

638
00:27:39,519 --> 00:27:43,759
will be on the Chris Ubank Junior Connor Bin slate.

639
00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:46,079
You've been talking a little bit about this, but what's

640
00:27:46,079 --> 00:27:47,440
the what's the official rundown?

641
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:47,799
Speaker 3: Real quick?

642
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 4: Well, I do, first of all, I think they're going

643
00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:51,319
to probably add at least another couple of fights to

644
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,200
the card so that those are not necessarily said. First

645
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,400
things first, they did make it official. This was sort

646
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,880
of what most people expected that it will take place,

647
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,400
and we all knew it was going to be in London,

648
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,960
but it's going to take place at the Tottenham Tottenham

649
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,440
Hotspur Arena, which is going to have like a crab

650
00:28:05,559 --> 00:28:06,519
around seventy.

651
00:28:06,279 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 2: Thousand stadium the stadium, yes.

652
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,799
Speaker 4: Stadium, yes, yes, that's where Anthony Joshua and Alexander Russak

653
00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:13,519
had their first fight.

654
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:14,519
Speaker 3: Correct, If I'm not.

655
00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 4: Mistake in Tyson Fury if one of his fights here

656
00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:20,599
Eric exactly, So so that that tells you're gonna be

657
00:28:20,599 --> 00:28:22,039
a big crowd there obviously for this fight. I mean,

658
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,039
the whole country is going to stand still at the time.

659
00:28:24,039 --> 00:28:25,880
It's going to be one of those sort of you know,

660
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,039
there won't be a lot of crime in Britain when.

661
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 3: That fight's going on. That's how big of a deal.

662
00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:32,559
Speaker 4: Well, I remember when Nanny Pakia was at his peak,

663
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:35,240
there would be stories from the from the Filipino media

664
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,880
that would come out about how, you know, the gangs

665
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,839
would stop fighting when he was in the ring. Everybody

666
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,640
Ryan Bray went down when he was in the ring.

667
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,279
You know that there like when.

668
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: The Packers play in Green Bay and Milwaukee, everything shuts

669
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:48,119
down exactly.

670
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: They're going to watch the game. Yeah, I saw.

671
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 4: I saw a clip of there was conversation in the

672
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,920
in a session of Parliament where one of the people

673
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,480
that you know as a politician there was talking about,

674
00:28:59,759 --> 00:29:03,519
you know, making like a a you know, let's wish

675
00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:06,920
these guys good luck, a big fight, a declaration, yeah, something.

676
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: Like they don't have enough going on in the House

677
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,559
of Commons right now. They gotta worry about you Bank

678
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:12,720
Junior and Ben.

679
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 4: And it was just they don't really see I mean,

680
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,359
they don't see them talking about, you know, big fights

681
00:29:17,359 --> 00:29:18,240
in the United States.

682
00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:19,359
Speaker 2: Sidebar, sidebar.

683
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: If you need some entertainment, go on YouTube, because they

684
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,640
used to have this and watch them argue and fight

685
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,279
in the House of Comments. Even if you have no

686
00:29:25,359 --> 00:29:28,400
idea what they're what their politicians are arguing fighting about,

687
00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:31,279
because they start they start arguing with each other and

688
00:29:31,319 --> 00:29:34,240
people are booing and sometimes there's like papers being thrown

689
00:29:34,319 --> 00:29:37,359
and whatever, and I have no idea what they're arguing over.

690
00:29:37,599 --> 00:29:41,480
Maybe they're gonna argue over Chris you bank Junior and

691
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,240
and Connor Ben Nigel's son because of the old rivalry.

692
00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:46,119
Speaker 2: We'll see undercar Okay.

693
00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 4: So yeah, so they got the stadium set. So there's

694
00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:50,519
some good names and some very solid fights. I mean again,

695
00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:52,759
it's a Turkey Yashik is involved there. They don't make

696
00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:56,119
crappy shows. So you have the return of Anthony Yard,

697
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,079
you know the light heavyweight contenders. Oh, he's in good

698
00:29:58,079 --> 00:30:00,880
fights and he's taken on that just nobody's taken on

699
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,720
Linden Arthur, who's a pretty good British delight have youweight,

700
00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:06,079
only has the two losses, so that's a nice little matchup.

701
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:09,759
They added Liam Smith, you know, as it was announced

702
00:30:09,839 --> 00:30:12,039
last week. Liam Smith, who's been you know, at one

703
00:30:12,039 --> 00:30:14,200
time or another with most of the He's been with Queensberry.

704
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,240
He'd been with Matcham he'd win to the boxer. He's

705
00:30:16,279 --> 00:30:21,480
now back with Queensberry. Right, No, no, with not with Queensberry.

706
00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:24,119
He's back with Mattrum. He re signed with Mattrium and

707
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,119
so he's gonna go on this card and he's gonna

708
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,319
take on the American Brandon Glanton. So that's gonna be

709
00:30:28,319 --> 00:30:30,799
his first fight at middleweight. And Liam Smith book. I

710
00:30:30,839 --> 00:30:32,480
mean he's coming off. You know, he had the back

711
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,000
to back fights against you Bank. He won the first

712
00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:37,079
one by upset, he got knocked out in the second fight.

713
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,960
He's coming back after a bit of a layoff and

714
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,599
this will get him back in the groove. But there's

715
00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:43,240
some many fights for him because he fights in a

716
00:30:43,519 --> 00:30:45,799
in a weight class in Britain anyway where there's good guys,

717
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,519
maybe not the big big names, although if Shiraz wins

718
00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:51,400
the world title that would be a possibility anyway, So

719
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,680
he's on the card. They also will have the the

720
00:30:53,759 --> 00:30:57,480
return of of Chris billm Smith coming off the loss

721
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,720
of his world title to Zerto Ramirez. But he showed it,

722
00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:01,680
you know, I made a great fight in that fight,

723
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,720
trow to tremendous men of heart. So they've got him.

724
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,680
I take that back. He's the one that's fighting Brandon Glenn.

725
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,640
William Smith is going to fight the undefeated Irish fighter

726
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,799
Aaron McKenna, which actually is not a bad matchup and

727
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,359
Chris Bill and Smith, whoever you put him in with,

728
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,200
he is going to be entertaining. So that's on the show,

729
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,400
and then the British Cruiser weight to the dall Riley,

730
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:21,000
who's got an element of popularity, a good record twelve

731
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:24,359
and now he's fighting chev Clark, who had fought and

732
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,759
lost on the on the Matchroom card that was in

733
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,000
Monte Carlo not that long ago, and I like a

734
00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:31,559
mild upset, So that's that's a pretty good matchup. They

735
00:31:31,559 --> 00:31:33,799
both have similar number of pro fights. I mean, it's

736
00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:37,880
definitely a very heavy obviously British car but it's.

737
00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:39,839
Speaker 1: A good British Again, We're sitting here in the United

738
00:31:39,839 --> 00:31:43,160
States and everybody's probably listening to this going okay, yeah him,

739
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,559
I've seen him, whatever. But in England, in Britain, they

740
00:31:46,599 --> 00:31:48,880
care about those names that you're mentioning, and they're all

741
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:49,839
on one show here.

742
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,319
Speaker 2: So that's smart, that's good strategy.

743
00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:52,839
Speaker 3: And the matchups themselves are not bad.

744
00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:54,559
Speaker 4: And I'll say this also about the fact that here

745
00:31:54,599 --> 00:31:57,119
we are in America, not in Britain. I don't they

746
00:31:57,119 --> 00:31:59,319
haven't made this announce me yet, but I'd be really

747
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,279
kind of I mean, I'm never really shocked, but I'd

748
00:32:02,279 --> 00:32:05,960
be massively disappointed and basically kind of. It would be

749
00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:08,720
ridiculous if they made Ben and you Bank a pay

750
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,279
per view in America. So I feel like it's gonna

751
00:32:11,319 --> 00:32:13,640
be like certain other fights. I take, for example, when

752
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,599
Devin Hainey fought Regis program that was a pay per

753
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,240
view in the United States, but everywhere around the rest

754
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:20,400
of the world on his own it was just part

755
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,759
of a regular subscription. So I think, my, my, I

756
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:26,279
think that this is going to be the case that

757
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,799
in Britain with definitely they're gonna have you bank and.

758
00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:32,359
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put I'm gonna put one on a tee.

759
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,880
Though right here, these are the same people that suddenly

760
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:40,160
slid in that the fight card underneath the undisputed would

761
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,000
better b V and b BOL was suddenly now a

762
00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:43,839
pay per view on like the day of the event,

763
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,640
But that was I'm not asking them to do something

764
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:47,640
for the fans.

765
00:32:47,319 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 3: Now, I'm not excusing that nonsense.

766
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,079
Speaker 1: No, I want to say, I'm not saying that you

767
00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:54,440
have to excuse the nonsense. I'm saying now in this case,

768
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,240
you're asking them to not pay the pay per view worldwide.

769
00:32:57,839 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: I'm being facetious, You're kind.

770
00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 4: Of But the reason is in certain territories where it's

771
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,680
a clear pay per view fight, most of the rest

772
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,759
of the world doesn't give it damn. So that would

773
00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:10,519
be that would be value for your subscription price here

774
00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:12,640
in America to have that part, and in Britain it

775
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,400
will do good numbers on his own on it.

776
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 3: It should.

777
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk some lightweights.

778
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:21,359
Speaker 1: You did speak to us recently about the Vasilli Lomachenko

779
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,119
back injury and about how an IBF interim title fight

780
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:28,519
with Abdolaijev and Raymond Murrataya, who you're very high on

781
00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:30,279
and a lot of people very high on, he's in

782
00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:32,759
the works. All right, what's the update on when this

783
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,480
might happen, on what's going on here?

784
00:33:34,839 --> 00:33:38,839
Speaker 4: Well, when Lomachenko got the medical exemption from the IBF

785
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,599
to not have to be stripped or give up his title.

786
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,119
The one time in boxing where I'm okay with an

787
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,200
organization doing interim title fight is when the champion has

788
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,680
got a legitimate injury. So Lomachenko gave them the medical

789
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,119
paperwork that they asked for. He's got a back injury.

790
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:55,880
He's going to be out for us several months and

791
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,799
they're not going to hold up those division. So Abdliev,

792
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,920
who maybe does not a well known guy, he did.

793
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,079
His only loss was a loss to Devin Hany in

794
00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:07,119
a fight you know several years ago that was an

795
00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:10,800
interim title fight back in like twenty nineteen. Anyway, he

796
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,360
is at the top of their ratings and he's won

797
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,159
a whole bunch of fights in a row. And Moretaia,

798
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:18,440
who's undefeated, he's also high up in their rankings. They

799
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,159
were ordered to fight and it will be for the

800
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:24,199
interim title. So the negotiation period, you know, extended to

801
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:27,159
a certain amount of time. But in the IBF, if

802
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,559
you can't make a deal or you don't want to

803
00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:32,119
make a deal, you can ask the organization just order

804
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:33,559
a purse bit and you don't have to even bother

805
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:37,480
to negotiate. So Top Rank has asked the IBF to

806
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,039
order the perspit, which they did, and that means it

807
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:42,639
will take place like February fourth. I want to say now,

808
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:44,679
the reason why they're trying to speed up the timeframe

809
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,920
is because they have a date that they've requested on

810
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,199
the most recent agenda for the Nevada State Athletic Commission

811
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:51,920
where they have an event that they're going to do

812
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,920
on April fifth, So they want to get this fight

813
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,360
situated as soon as possible. So if they actually either

814
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,760
make a deal and they promote or win a pursepit

815
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,760
and they promote, then the fight would probably not Probably

816
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,320
you would headline is April fifth fight card that they're

817
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,559
planning to do in Las Vegas, which to my understanding,

818
00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:13,199
that card will be ESPN Plus only, not a network fight,

819
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,079
and and the winner, of course will have the interim

820
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:19,639
title and either will be elevated to the full title

821
00:35:19,679 --> 00:35:22,719
if Lomachenko retires or gives it up, or Lomo will

822
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,920
be obligated to fight the winner when he comes back

823
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:25,760
after the injury.

824
00:35:26,159 --> 00:35:28,039
Speaker 1: Now, this is why you have me here and a

825
00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:31,440
compelling thing about that date that night, because I'm already

826
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,840
looking at this with my travel. That night is the

827
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,199
night of the college basketball March Madness Final four for

828
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,119
the Men in San Antonio, Texas April fifth, So that's

829
00:35:41,199 --> 00:35:44,400
why ESPN might not care as much, or maybe ESPN

830
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,519
would want to fight on a Friday night, not on

831
00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:49,280
the night of the final four. So stay tuned. But

832
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,159
that's the tentative date that you're hearing for that one.

833
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 4: April fifth. April fifth, Yes, that's when they're planning to

834
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,239
do it. And by the way, the site would be

835
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,239
the Palms Casino, which is the that's the location that

836
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,480
they requested with the commission. So as a matchup, I

837
00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:06,639
mean it's listen, it ain't the biggest matchup in the world,

838
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,440
but competitively in the ring, ab Delive against Martaya. Yeah,

839
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,320
I mean, we're kind of getting a little esoteric here,

840
00:36:12,519 --> 00:36:14,719
but that is not a bad matchup, and there are

841
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,880
stakes and the winner either gets Loma Chenk or gets

842
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,480
to be the IBF titleholder if he doesn't come back.

843
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,679
Speaker 2: All right, so let's stick with the lightweights.

844
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:26,079
Speaker 1: The man that Loma beat, George Cambosis, also beaten twice

845
00:36:26,199 --> 00:36:28,920
by Devin Haney as well as the undisputed champion, is

846
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,920
now going to come back. He has a new deal

847
00:36:31,039 --> 00:36:34,480
himself for promotion and we're looking at another fight date

848
00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:37,840
for him even sooner in March. All right, So give

849
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,159
me the latest about Cambosis and when he's back and

850
00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:40,719
what's going on.

851
00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 4: So he's been promoted by Lou de Bella for the

852
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,400
last while. They this is nothing new. This was like,

853
00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:47,559
you know, a month or two ago whenever it was

854
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,519
that they had done a deal where he would be

855
00:36:50,559 --> 00:36:52,960
now co promoted along with you know, staying with Lou,

856
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,599
but also now co promoted by by match from boxing

857
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,880
which is done shows in Australia and has other fighters

858
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,960
from Australia. And so the first fight of this now

859
00:37:02,039 --> 00:37:04,280
new co promotion with Cambosis, who was moving up to

860
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,840
junior welterweight and he's gonna fight in Sydney, Australia, obviously

861
00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:10,119
you know, his home country, and the fight will take

862
00:37:10,119 --> 00:37:13,039
place March twenty second, And so they announced the date.

863
00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:15,800
They put up their social media posts with a big

864
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,920
picture of George, and they announced some of the folks

865
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,840
on the undercart including the WBC Women's featherweight champions Sky Nicholson.

866
00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:26,000
You also have the former IBF Junior featherweight women's title

867
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,280
holder Ernikah Johnson, also Australian, as well as the twenty

868
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:34,679
twenty four Olympian super heavyweight Tarramona Tarramona, so big Australian card.

869
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,320
They didn't announce the opponents. My reporting tells me that

870
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,639
the likely candidate to be the opponent for Big George Cambosis.

871
00:37:41,679 --> 00:37:43,519
You know, remember George has not done so well in

872
00:37:43,559 --> 00:37:45,599
recent fights. He needs a little bit of a rehabb

873
00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:47,679
He's one in three in his last four fights, including

874
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,760
being you know, stopped and beaten up by Loma in

875
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,880
the last fight, and the absolutely one sided losses to

876
00:37:55,199 --> 00:37:56,920
Devin Hiney, and the one win he had by the

877
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,480
way against Max and Hughes by decision was a fight

878
00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:02,239
that many any people thought that MAXI got robbed in

879
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,039
and should have had his hand raised that ad. So anyway,

880
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,280
the likely opponent for him is going to be a

881
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,480
Indonesian fighter named Dowd You're Dan who was forty three

882
00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:12,039
and four, And honestly, when I heard that, I was like, Dowd,

883
00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:14,840
You're Dan. I covered a fight of Dowd Your Dan's

884
00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:20,719
TJ gotta be fourteen fifteen years ago he fought in Sunrise,

885
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:25,159
Florida on an HBO undercard against Celestino Cabalero, weighing one

886
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:26,639
hundred and twenty two pound champion.

887
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: You're not you're looking right at me. You're not looking

888
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,639
at anything. Did you look that up before? Or you're

889
00:38:32,679 --> 00:38:35,039
coming up with that name off the top of your head?

890
00:38:35,519 --> 00:38:38,400
And who he fought in Sunrise, Florida. When I wrote

891
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,159
about ten years ago, I don't.

892
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,159
Speaker 2: Remember what I had for breakfast yesterday.

893
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 3: I can't listen.

894
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 4: I looked it up when I was writing about him

895
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,599
being the postponent stone on my mind. But the point

896
00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:53,440
I was making is when I was writing about this

897
00:38:53,519 --> 00:38:55,599
and I heard about him as the likely opponent, I

898
00:38:55,639 --> 00:38:57,239
was like, Dowd, you're Dan?

899
00:38:57,519 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 2: Is this?

900
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:58,199
Speaker 3: I saw?

901
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 2: Where's a brother? Is this his cousin?

902
00:39:01,079 --> 00:39:03,119
Speaker 4: No, it's to hit it, I swear to God. My

903
00:39:03,159 --> 00:39:05,239
initial thought was does he have a son that's boxing?

904
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:07,880
But no, it's him. And by the way, he's not

905
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,960
like he's thirty seven years old, but he's a guy

906
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,639
that turned pro, like you're really young. But he's been

907
00:39:11,679 --> 00:39:14,719
a professional. Literally, I think he's now twenty plus years

908
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,039
into his career and he actually, for a period of

909
00:39:17,039 --> 00:39:19,320
time was like a good contender, you know, at one,

910
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,960
twenty two, one twenty six. But I had no idea

911
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,639
that he was still fighting. Uh you know, like I say,

912
00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:26,119
he's got a good record. He has kind of been

913
00:39:26,119 --> 00:39:29,639
a little inactive, but anyway, you know, he's probably gonna

914
00:39:29,639 --> 00:39:31,760
be the guy that Cambosa's fights. And listen, George, if

915
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,239
anybody deserves a little bit of a I might even

916
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,280
say he's a soft touch. He's a little a legit,

917
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,239
solid pro for a long time, but not a big name.

918
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,400
So you know, it's like the it's the Get Well

919
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,280
Fight for George, or it's supposed to be put it

920
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:43,519
like that.

921
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:48,119
Speaker 1: So that's coming coming in March. Standby for that in Sydney.

922
00:39:48,159 --> 00:39:50,280
All Right, one more name while we're talking about next

923
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:54,719
fights up. The name Michael Conlin makes the rundown. Looks

924
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,400
like he's going to be back. There have been a

925
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,960
lot of questions because he took a couple of bad knockouts,

926
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,559
some brutal ones. Is that he is going to be back?

927
00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:04,199
What are we hearing on when this is?

928
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 3: So he's signed.

929
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,519
Speaker 4: So what was announced in the last several days was

930
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:11,320
he signed with Wasserman Boxing, which is based in Britain,

931
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,039
run by Calli and n C. Sourland, who people will

932
00:40:14,039 --> 00:40:17,599
know as a long time promoters from Sourland event in Germany.

933
00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:20,800
But they're now doing this Wasserman Boxing and they have

934
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,159
been promoting shows regularly and if you are in Britain,

935
00:40:23,199 --> 00:40:25,800
you know that a lot of those shows are televised

936
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,320
on Channel five in the UK, which is terrestrial television.

937
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:29,800
A lot of the shows wind up on their own

938
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,320
in the United States and they have a card that's

939
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,840
coming up on March seventh where they're gonna so they

940
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,480
announced they had signed Conlin and he's gonna fight on

941
00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:39,679
the undercard in an eight rounder, just to sort of

942
00:40:39,679 --> 00:40:41,760
get better and see how he does and see how

943
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,920
he feels. I mean, he's taken. Like you mentioned, first

944
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,880
of all, Michael is a very popular fighter, a fighter

945
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,400
that if you meet him, a very likable guy. I

946
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,400
don't know anybody in boxing doesn't like Michael Conlin. But

947
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,199
he's coming off some brutal knockouts. I mean, go back

948
00:40:54,199 --> 00:40:56,239
to two thousand, well, if you go back to twenty

949
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,280
twenty two, he was on the receiving end of the

950
00:40:58,360 --> 00:40:59,559
knock out of the Ear. That was when he fought

951
00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:02,280
Lee Would in a WBA featherweight title fight, and if

952
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,440
you remember, in the twelfth round, he got not only

953
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:05,960
knocked out, he got knocked out of the ring and

954
00:41:07,519 --> 00:41:09,920
with a big right hand into Carl Murretti's lap basically

955
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,760
at ringside, because that was when he was with top

956
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,960
rank and that was the knockout of the ear in

957
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:14,800
twenty twenty two.

958
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 3: So he came back after that.

959
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,519
Speaker 4: He won a couple of fights against you know, a

960
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:20,320
lesser kind of guys, but you know, took care of business.

961
00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:22,639
Then he got a chance to fight Luis Alberta Lopez

962
00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:25,639
for the IBF featherweight title in his hometown of Belfast,

963
00:41:26,039 --> 00:41:27,920
and he got pummeled in the fifth round. It was

964
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,360
another bad knockout, I mean a bad knockout. And then

965
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:32,960
he came back at the end of twenty twenty three

966
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,440
and he fought Jordan Gill, a fight that Conlin was

967
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,199
probably supposed to win, and Jordan Gill knocked himut in

968
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:38,800
the seventh round.

969
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:39,119
Speaker 3: Yepes.

970
00:41:39,199 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 4: Now you've got three bad knockout losses in five fights.

971
00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:45,000
You've got back to backbrough knockouts. This the last fight

972
00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:47,719
was December of twenty twenty three. He did not fight

973
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,239
at all in twenty twenty four, trying to guess figure

974
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,920
out what he wanted to do, and he decided he

975
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,280
wants to give it another go for your see the

976
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,440
comments he made in the announcement of his fight. You know,

977
00:41:56,639 --> 00:41:58,400
his dream was to be a world champion. He's trying

978
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,719
to get a third title shot, and you know, good

979
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,639
luck to him. I mean I'm not sure. I mean,

980
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,559
I get the motivation, and you know he's been boxing

981
00:42:05,559 --> 00:42:06,960
his whole life. I mean, it's hard to give it up.

982
00:42:07,039 --> 00:42:09,960
He was a great amateur fighter. You know, has made

983
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,239
good for a guy that never won a world title. Uh,

984
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,199
he's made good money as a professional. He did have

985
00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:16,159
an interim title for our five Minutes, right.

986
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 1: Fans will remember the top rank kept pushing him, bringing

987
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,760
him to the United States for Saint Patrick's Day weekend

988
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,119
in New York a couple of times.

989
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 3: He spent a lot of time training and living in

990
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:24,360
the United States.

991
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:25,519
Speaker 2: I mean he got knocked out.

992
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 1: He got knocked out repeatedly over a couple of years,

993
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,079
a year and a half. And so now he'll be

994
00:42:31,159 --> 00:42:33,440
back in March, and this is what on the undercart

995
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,519
of the Harlem You Bank uh.

996
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 2: Card right in March.

997
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I mean that main event.

998
00:42:39,519 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 4: I mean, if you're if you're into into you know,

999
00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:44,719
those are not big names in America, but in Britain,

1000
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,440
that's actually like a pretty interesting matchup. I mean and

1001
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,599
Harlem You Bank. If the names sons formula. He is

1002
00:42:49,639 --> 00:42:52,519
the nephew of Chris HU Banks Senior, the first cousin

1003
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:53,480
of Chris U.

1004
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 3: Bank Junior.

1005
00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 2: Interesting, Chris U.

1006
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 4: Banks Senior is very involved in his career, helping guide

1007
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,800
him and manage him, et cetera. So he's trying to

1008
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,480
make his way. He's a undefeated, undefeated fighter, and you know,

1009
00:43:04,559 --> 00:43:06,320
stepping up the fight McKenna, who's been in the ring

1010
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,119
with some good guys, even though he's got a few losses. Anyway,

1011
00:43:10,159 --> 00:43:11,880
Michael will be in an eight rounder on that undercard.

1012
00:43:12,679 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: All right, nostalgia time before we depart off the weekend here.

1013
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:21,280
It was twenty two years ago on Saturday yesterday, as

1014
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,719
we do the pod, January twenty fifth, two thousand and three,

1015
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:30,280
that Vernon Forrest knocked off Sugar Shane Moseley to win

1016
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,639
the WBC's welterweight title in a significant upset.

1017
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:36,599
Speaker 2: Again, this was a.

1018
00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:40,199
Speaker 1: Huge quite the rivalry and quite a win for Vernon,

1019
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,360
for the late Vernon Forest. So tell me more about

1020
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,360
that night in January now almost a quarter of a century.

1021
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,559
Speaker 3: Ago, TJ.

1022
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 4: I have so many vivid memories of that night, and

1023
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,119
you were joking on how you can't remember like what

1024
00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:54,639
you had for breakfast, Like I still remember so much

1025
00:43:54,639 --> 00:43:57,239
about that night again as long as many years ago

1026
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,559
as it was. First of all, it was a fight

1027
00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:01,000
that a lot of people wanted to see. It was

1028
00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:03,320
the fight to make in that weight class, one of

1029
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,000
the if you put it like this, if you were

1030
00:44:05,039 --> 00:44:08,039
making back then, you know, in late twenty twenty two,

1031
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,519
here's my list of my top ten fights I wanted

1032
00:44:10,519 --> 00:44:13,840
to see in two thousand. Rather in whatever two thousand three,

1033
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,880
two thousand and three, you would have had Vernon Forrest

1034
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,440
and Shane Moseley on your list somewhere without a question. Now,

1035
00:44:19,519 --> 00:44:22,440
Vernon had won the IBF title, he had been an Olympian,

1036
00:44:23,199 --> 00:44:25,679
and Shane had obviously been Oscar del Loya, he had

1037
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,760
won the welterweight WBC title, had been the lightweight champion

1038
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,039
and made you know, eight defenses by knockout. And this

1039
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:33,880
was a hot fight. It was a rivalry too, as

1040
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,039
you mentioned. And the reason was because Shane Moseley was

1041
00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:39,079
heavily favored to be a United States Olympian in nineteen

1042
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:42,519
ninety two in Barcelona, and it was Vernon Forrest who

1043
00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:45,199
kept him from making the Olympic team by upsetting him

1044
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,760
in the Olympic trials. And so that was an obvious

1045
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,800
fight that should happen in the in the pros. Vernon

1046
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:53,639
had the title, it should have been a unification fight.

1047
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,079
But even twenty two years ago, TJ the IBF was

1048
00:44:57,119 --> 00:45:01,400
doing IBF thing they he wanted to force him to

1049
00:45:01,519 --> 00:45:04,800
have a mandatory a defense. If I'm not mistaken, I

1050
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,000
believe it was the Italian Michelle Piecillo, and that would

1051
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,519
have paid him like five cents. Instead, he made seven

1052
00:45:10,559 --> 00:45:13,440
figures to fight Sugar Shane Mosley in a major HBO

1053
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,960
main event. They held the fight at the Madison Square

1054
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,960
Garden Theater. I was ringside for the fight, very hyped

1055
00:45:19,039 --> 00:45:22,280
up fight, and it was all about can Mosley avenge

1056
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,280
his amateur loss. That was a huge talking point leading

1057
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,440
up to the fight, or is Vernon gonna have his

1058
00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:30,719
number and win again? And Vernon forrest who was the

1059
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,760
heavy underdog. Remember at this point, Shane Moley is pretty

1060
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,760
much by most people number one pound for pound. I

1061
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,519
know Prime Roy Jones is still lurking around, but Roy

1062
00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:42,719
was kind of inactive a little bit at that point,

1063
00:45:43,039 --> 00:45:45,559
hadn't been fighting the best guys at that point, and

1064
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:48,360
Shane had beaten Oscar, had looked spectacular in a couple

1065
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,960
of fights after Oscar. Now he's fighting Vernon Force. Most

1066
00:45:52,039 --> 00:45:55,519
people had Sugar Shane as number one, So not only

1067
00:45:55,639 --> 00:45:58,239
is the title at stake, both of the guys were undefeated,

1068
00:45:58,639 --> 00:46:00,760
and you have the aspect of the pound for pound

1069
00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:04,199
situation and the whole you know, amateur rivalry. And so

1070
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:05,719
it was a big night and at the time, it

1071
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,599
set the record for the biggest gate at the Madison

1072
00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:12,719
Square Garden Theater. And Vernon Forrest basically put a beating

1073
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,199
on Shane Mosley like we had never seen Shane, even

1074
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,440
against guys like Oscar forget about hurt or you know,

1075
00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:21,280
knocked out or beaten, never even seen him hurt. Vernon

1076
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,800
Forrest cracked him with some shots in the second round,

1077
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,440
dropped him twice. Shane had never even been wobbled in

1078
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,639
his career at that point, and he put him on

1079
00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:31,559
his ass two times. And I've told this story before

1080
00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:33,199
and I can still remember this. I hear it in

1081
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,159
my mind anytime this fight comes up. When he knocked

1082
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,119
him down the first time he hit him with I

1083
00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:39,960
believe it was like some kind of straight right hand,

1084
00:46:40,119 --> 00:46:42,199
and he knocked him into the corner post and he

1085
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,599
went down on the canvas. And when I tell you

1086
00:46:44,639 --> 00:46:46,480
that five thousand plus people that were there at the

1087
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,039
Madison Square Garden Theater at the exact same time, including

1088
00:46:50,039 --> 00:46:53,320
all of us at ringside at the same moment, went yeah,

1089
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,559
like it was a shocking you can't. The electricity of

1090
00:46:56,559 --> 00:47:02,239
that moment is rivaled by things alike when Sergio Martinez,

1091
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,639
you know, got knocked down by Julio szar chov Is

1092
00:47:04,639 --> 00:47:07,079
in around twelve of their middleweight title fight in many

1093
00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:10,280
years ago. Also, this the the shock of what was occurring.

1094
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,599
This is the second round, I mean, this is not

1095
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,719
deep into the fight, right, and Shane, to his credit,

1096
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,840
he was able to hang on and make it the distance,

1097
00:47:18,199 --> 00:47:20,039
but he you know, basically took a bit of a

1098
00:47:20,039 --> 00:47:22,599
beating in the fight. He lost, you know, very clearly

1099
00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:26,719
in the fight in terms of a decision, and you know,

1100
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,079
it was a big shocker, and Shane had had had

1101
00:47:29,079 --> 00:47:31,440
his undefeated record taken away. The scores, I'm looking at

1102
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,519
the scores one seventeen, one eleven, one sixteen, one to

1103
00:47:34,519 --> 00:47:37,559
twelve and a very overly generous one. I take that

1104
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:39,880
back one eight. I'm looking at the rematch one eighteen

1105
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,480
one O eight, one seventeen one O eight and one

1106
00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:46,400
fifteen one ten, And h our boy Steve Smoger was

1107
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,440
the referee, did a great job not stopping the fight

1108
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,599
at that point. I remember also very specifically from my

1109
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,760
vantage point where I was seated on press row at

1110
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,880
one point in the fight when he started to take

1111
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,239
more of a beating from Vernon. You had Jack Moseley,

1112
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,280
who was his father and trainer, who basically was like

1113
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,000
a deer in headlights that night because he was so

1114
00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:07,079
discombobulated by what's happening to his son. You will not

1115
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:08,719
see this on the broadcast if you go back and

1116
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,360
watch HBO, But I distinctly remember looking to my left

1117
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,960
from my ringside seat and seeing Jack Mosey go up

1118
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,280
the steps with a towel in his hand, ready to

1119
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,079
throw it in. Now, there was a man named Cassiu's Green.

1120
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,239
You might recognize him by the white sailor hat that

1121
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,199
he always wore. He would sugar Shane's cutman. And when

1122
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,880
I tell you that cash is Green jerked Jack back

1123
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,400
off the steps by grabbing the back of his shirt.

1124
00:48:30,599 --> 00:48:33,119
I mean he grabbed him and pulled him physically down.

1125
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,639
Speaker 2: To keep him throwing the towel in.

1126
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 4: Potentially, that is correct, and he did not throw the

1127
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,960
towel in, And obviously Shane went on and you know,

1128
00:48:40,039 --> 00:48:41,800
he hung in there and he lost the fight. And

1129
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:46,679
then ps Shane had a rematch clause. He exercised that

1130
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,360
and six months later they met in Indianapolis, another fight

1131
00:48:49,559 --> 00:48:51,760
that I was ringside for, and Vernon beat him again

1132
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,400
in the rematch. And what's also interesting about this Sugar

1133
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,800
Shane Vernon Force number one fight is that that Vernon

1134
00:48:59,039 --> 00:49:01,800
at this point this is the first boxing client of

1135
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:06,159
Al Haman's. He helped negotiate that fight and then the rematch,

1136
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,840
and then after that they negotiated a big HBO contract

1137
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,119
with it you know, Al Hayman and HBO for Vernon.

1138
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,719
But that was really this was Al's entry into boxing,

1139
00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:19,760
was working these these very high profile bouts with Vernon Forrest.

1140
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,760
So that's where that started twenty some years ago. This

1141
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,519
was a humongous upset and a very very memorable fight

1142
00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:30,239
in my time of covering boxing, how about that.

1143
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 1: So that's twenty two years ago, all right. So back

1144
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,440
up two years earlier to January twenty seventh of two

1145
00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:40,519
thousand and one, which is twenty four years ago. Monday

1146
00:49:41,119 --> 00:49:45,760
and the Sydney Olympic United States fighters all turn pro.

1147
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,800
This was something that we had seen after the eighty

1148
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,039
four and after the eighty eight Games where they all

1149
00:49:51,079 --> 00:49:53,679
turned pro like in one big event. So this is

1150
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,800
January of one and the US Olympians were all turning

1151
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,239
pro in that very same venue you just talked about

1152
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:01,440
in the Madison Square Garden theater.

1153
00:50:01,559 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 4: It wasn't it wasn't all of them, TJ. It was

1154
00:50:03,639 --> 00:50:06,000
there was like the five of them, right, So this

1155
00:50:06,199 --> 00:50:08,360
was a time. This was like the maybe the height

1156
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:12,480
of like the HBO Showtime, you know, arms build up

1157
00:50:12,519 --> 00:50:15,320
if you will. Basically HBO through Loud de Bella and

1158
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,760
Madison Square Garden were affiliated with the five that you

1159
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,400
you know that we're going to talk about and the

1160
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:24,039
other guys Rocky Warrez for example, there was others that

1161
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,079
Jeff Lacy was another. They were all with Shelley Finkel

1162
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:29,599
as his as their manager and Main Events as a promoter.

1163
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,239
And they signed with Showtime. So it was the you know,

1164
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,159
the two who was going to get the better guys?

1165
00:50:35,199 --> 00:50:37,159
There was a big bidding war. I remember going to

1166
00:50:37,159 --> 00:50:39,440
New York for the news conference to announce the signings

1167
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,519
of these fighters. One thing, by the way, this is

1168
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:43,559
quick aside. It wasn't related to the fight itself, but

1169
00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:46,920
going to the kickoff press conference, the Dave Matthews band

1170
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,920
was playing Madison Square Garden like later that night, and

1171
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,880
I got lost, like finding my way around. I wound

1172
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,280
up in the main arena and I had like, I

1173
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,679
was like a one man audience for the Dave matthew soundcheck.

1174
00:50:58,440 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: I was going to say, did you get did you

1175
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,039
and counter Dave Matthews's security, or did you may hang

1176
00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:07,280
out before the show because you're lost after the press conference.

1177
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,599
Speaker 4: But I hung out there for like fifteen minutes and

1178
00:51:08,639 --> 00:51:10,360
listen to their sound check. It was pretty cool anyway.

1179
00:51:10,679 --> 00:51:12,440
So now fast forward to they have the actual show.

1180
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,119
Now the thing is, you know, this was a big up,

1181
00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:17,639
hype up thing. You have all these young guys turning pro,

1182
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,199
a lot of high hopes for their pro pro records,

1183
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,039
pro careers, and you know what, are they going to

1184
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:25,039
become superstars? And every one of them had like, you know,

1185
00:51:25,159 --> 00:51:27,320
stuff behind him that made it think like, Okay, these

1186
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,679
guys are gonna be the real deal, or hopefully they

1187
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,239
be the real deal and I'll just run through them.

1188
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,679
You had the heavyweight Michael Bennett, who had given a

1189
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,079
very good fight in the Olympics to the great Cuban

1190
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:40,119
Felix Savone. You had Ricardo Williams Junior, who was considered

1191
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,159
the best prospect on the team as a pro lightning

1192
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,400
fast come out of that Cincinnati area, you know, being

1193
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,199
compared to some of the you know, some of the

1194
00:51:48,199 --> 00:51:52,559
past Cincinnati greats, like the like the Aaron Pryors. He

1195
00:51:52,639 --> 00:51:56,159
shared his manager had been involved with Aaron Pryor back

1196
00:51:56,159 --> 00:51:58,480
in the day. So there was that was a big storyline.

1197
00:51:58,519 --> 00:52:01,360
You had Jermaine Taylor, who was the middleweight, who was

1198
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,280
you know, the fighter that was I think not as

1199
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,280
well known, but impressed in the Olympics and started to

1200
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,239
gain some notoriety. It's you know, I had looked good

1201
00:52:09,519 --> 00:52:13,280
and had claimed the medal. Clarence Vincent who was also

1202
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,480
had won a medal. He was known as a very

1203
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,400
good boxer, but he really was his claim to fame

1204
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,960
and why he got some attention was because his uncle

1205
00:52:20,639 --> 00:52:22,679
is the great Hall of Famer Mark too Sharp Johnson

1206
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:23,559
out of Washington, DC.

1207
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 3: And then you add from.

1208
00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 4: The West coast Jose Navarro, who was like as a

1209
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,559
professionally thought mostly as a junior bandon Wait who was

1210
00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:32,599
a very skillful fighter and in as a pro we

1211
00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:35,239
fought for a world title. Kind of got robbed actually

1212
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,639
in one of his chances in Japan, but never really

1213
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,159
got over the hump. The point is, all these guys

1214
00:52:40,199 --> 00:52:42,920
had huge hopes and the only one that ever really

1215
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,320
accomplished anything as a professional was Jermaine Taylor. Became the

1216
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,239
undisputed Middleway champion, made huge amounts of money and was

1217
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,760
involved in some very big fights twice with Bernard Hopkins,

1218
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,440
Kelly Pavlick and other fights as well. And the other

1219
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,559
guys one by one, they just were not able to

1220
00:52:56,639 --> 00:52:58,400
do the accomplishment. So but on the night that they

1221
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,239
turned pro, obviously they all one. HBO blew it out.

1222
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,760
It was a big boxing after dark where, you know,

1223
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,559
highly unusual for HBO to put on that type of

1224
00:53:06,559 --> 00:53:08,880
card where you got guys in like four rounders as

1225
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,679
opposed to a world championship fighter some sort of meaningful fight.

1226
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:14,920
But it was. It was a pretty big deal. And

1227
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,079
on top of that, the ones, the fights that were

1228
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:20,159
not even on the on television. They had another American

1229
00:53:20,159 --> 00:53:23,400
Olympian who was just put on the card, Dante Craig

1230
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,760
turned pro as well as the Again he was an Olympian,

1231
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,480
but not from the United States, Jerson Ravello, who lived

1232
00:53:29,519 --> 00:53:31,280
in the US. But I had represented i want to say,

1233
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,440
the Dominican Republic maybe, So you had the five guys

1234
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,760
that we talked about, plus another sixth American, plus a

1235
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,800
revel oh and also the Italian heavyweight who was looking

1236
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,199
to make up a big splash, Paalo Vidos, who had

1237
00:53:44,199 --> 00:53:46,440
gotten a medal. So this was just like a huge

1238
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,360
card of metal winners.

1239
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 1: I do have to interject, out of all of those names,

1240
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,400
the only name that most fight fans no recognize that

1241
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,760
did anything really significant as a professional and one world

1242
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,320
title is Jermaine Taylor's right.

1243
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 2: But we don't know, we don't know, we don't know

1244
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:01,480
what's going to happen After.

1245
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 4: That night when it happened, there was so much hype

1246
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,000
about this was going on that you thought, you know,

1247
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:08,639
maybe you'd see what you saw in eighty four when

1248
00:54:08,639 --> 00:54:12,639
you had you know, Evander Holyfield and Melgach Taylor and

1249
00:54:12,639 --> 00:54:15,599
and Penel Whitaker all turning pro on the same car

1250
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:17,440
together and going on to become Hall of famers. And

1251
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,400
by the way, you just mentioned Pearnol you just jogged

1252
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:23,000
my memory again. It was on this night, earlier in

1253
00:54:23,039 --> 00:54:24,760
the day, when I was at the garden before the

1254
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,239
cards started, where I met for the first time in

1255
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,239
person Pearnel Whitaker. Now I'll tell a story about that

1256
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:30,960
if you haven't wait wait wait.

1257
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 1: Is this the same day that you hung out with

1258
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:33,920
the Dave Matthews band.

1259
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 2: Is the same day?

1260
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:34,679
Speaker 1: No?

1261
00:54:34,679 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 4: No, the Dave Matthews band. That was that the pre

1262
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,599
fight press conversation that was like a month or two

1263
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:39,920
before that.

1264
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 2: I understand, all right, So Pernell that day, what do

1265
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:42,239
you remember?

1266
00:54:42,599 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 4: So the reason why Pearnol was there is because Dante Craig,

1267
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,280
the welterweight from the Olympic team. He was promoted by

1268
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,679
Dino Duva, who's had he had been associated with main events,

1269
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,679
but they had broken apart. There was like a family

1270
00:54:54,679 --> 00:54:57,840
squabble and now he had his company, Duva Boxing. His father,

1271
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,719
Lou Duva was there and they were working promoting and

1272
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,079
Lou was training Dante Craig, so they put him on

1273
00:55:03,079 --> 00:55:06,320
this cart. And Parnell was still very close to the

1274
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,199
to Lou Duva, who had been his trainer, and you know,

1275
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:12,159
their family promoted most of his career. So Parnell was

1276
00:55:12,199 --> 00:55:13,840
like their guest and he was at the show. So

1277
00:55:14,159 --> 00:55:16,559
when I got there, I was introd. I was friendly

1278
00:55:16,599 --> 00:55:18,760
with Dino, and I had a nice relationship with Lou,

1279
00:55:19,159 --> 00:55:20,920
and I was introduced to Parnel Whitaker, who was a

1280
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:22,800
great fighter. I had never gotten a chance to cover

1281
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,400
him when he was active, except one fight, but I

1282
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,039
didn't go to what I just wrote about it anyway,

1283
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,719
So I got was a thrilling opportunity to sit down

1284
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,639
and like shoot the shit with the great Pernel Whitiker

1285
00:55:33,679 --> 00:55:36,639
for like fifteen minutes, you know, and just just hang out.

1286
00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 3: It was great. I was like, amazing.

1287
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 4: Now, then the fights happened, fast forward, everything is over with.

1288
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:44,719
I go back to my room at the hotel Fight

1289
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,960
Hotel across the tree from the garden, and I'm getting

1290
00:55:47,039 --> 00:55:49,280
up super early to make my train back to Washington.

1291
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,960
It's probably about, you know, seven in the morning, and

1292
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,079
I'm going to get like my eight o'clock train across

1293
00:55:54,119 --> 00:55:56,840
the street. And as I'm coming out of the elevator

1294
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,840
in like the empty hallway there to go out the

1295
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,960
front door because it was super on a Sunday morning

1296
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,079
in New York City, Who's coming in in the same

1297
00:56:04,159 --> 00:56:08,480
close as the night before, completely eradicated and fucked up.

1298
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:13,239
Perna Whittaker had been out and who knows what went

1299
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:17,679
on in the last several hours. Yes, And I literally walked.

1300
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:19,840
I didn't realize that until I got up close to

1301
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,719
him that how fucked up he was. And look, he

1302
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,639
had his drug and alcohol problems during his career, not

1303
00:56:23,679 --> 00:56:27,519
a secret, the blank expression, had no recollection, didn't know

1304
00:56:27,559 --> 00:56:29,440
who I was. Remember, I had sat with the man

1305
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,519
for like fifteen minutes and had and was introduced to

1306
00:56:32,599 --> 00:56:36,199
him by his d had a beautiful boxing conversation with him,

1307
00:56:36,599 --> 00:56:37,599
and now we're talking.

1308
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: But it's a hard night and it's a hard overnight,

1309
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:41,320
and he doesn't remember.

1310
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:43,199
Speaker 3: Takes like ten hours later.

1311
00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:47,079
Speaker 4: There's no recollection, and I was like, I just kind

1312
00:56:47,079 --> 00:56:49,880
of felt bad, and I kept walking to go out

1313
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,760
the door, and I turned around. I swear to god,

1314
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,920
I saw him stumble into the elevator. It was I

1315
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,960
broke my heart actually in some ways. But that that

1316
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,440
that Unfortunately, that's my meeting for the first time.

1317
00:57:02,519 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 2: There you go, nice.

1318
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:05,039
Speaker 3: I did have I did have.

1319
00:57:05,079 --> 00:57:08,280
Speaker 4: Other meetings with him in yeah, and where there was

1320
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,039
everything was good, interviewed him, et cetera.

1321
00:57:11,039 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 2: There you go, h And that was the night with

1322
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:13,519
the Olympian.

1323
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:15,679
Speaker 3: I forgot about that.

1324
00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: We got nostalgia on top of the nostalgia that sometimes happens,

1325
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,159
and the peeps love that from back in two thousand.

1326
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,159
Speaker 3: And I wish I knew what he did that night.

1327
00:57:23,239 --> 00:57:26,559
Speaker 2: Man, Well, obviously you have some idea what he had.

1328
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 4: Been, I mean specifically where and how and who and

1329
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:29,639
exactly what.

1330
00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 2: You know what, the answer is, whatever sweet pe wanted.

1331
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: Apparently that's what he did that night, all right, So

1332
00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:38,440
good stuff gave you a lot on the recaps with

1333
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,760
the the Monster nooa in a way, KO, but Checko's

1334
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,719
decision winn in the match Room main event in Vegas,

1335
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,960
Dalton Smith's KO, we gave you some news and now

1336
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,079
we are ready for you to.

1337
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:52,199
Speaker 2: Head west for Better bv Or.

1338
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for Morrell and ben a vetas you just

1339
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,119
heard from David ben Vedas on the previous pot. It's

1340
00:57:57,119 --> 00:58:00,800
now fight week for those guys, and the winner could

1341
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,000
I mean, this is not an exaggeration.

1342
00:58:02,519 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 2: Just one more time.

1343
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:04,199
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about it later in a week, but

1344
00:58:04,199 --> 00:58:06,079
this is one of the story lines. The winner could

1345
00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:09,239
be in line for the winner of this Better Be

1346
00:58:09,519 --> 00:58:11,519
bev Ol fight. So we got a compelling pay per.

1347
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 3: View, yeah, no question.

1348
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:14,679
Speaker 4: I mean, the fight itself is a great matchup, but

1349
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,760
like you said, on top of that is the fact

1350
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,760
that yeah, the winner of the fight is going to

1351
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,280
be the is the mandatory in the WBA and the

1352
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:26,840
WBC and Turkey. Alshikaz mentioned about how he you know,

1353
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,039
he didn't really mention morel specifically, but at Benavidez at

1354
00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:30,559
least he mentioned about how he wants to get him

1355
00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:32,840
involved in that, in that in that group of guys,

1356
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:33,960
and so yeah, it would not be out of the

1357
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,440
realm of possibility at all for later in the year

1358
00:58:36,519 --> 00:58:39,320
to see the winner to take on whoever emerges with

1359
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:40,239
the undisputed title.

1360
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 3: All right, so.

1361
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:45,079
Speaker 1: Again here more from David Benavitez with Dan in the

1362
00:58:45,079 --> 00:58:47,360
build up to the fight. Be safe getting out to Vegas.

1363
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,719
We'll check in with you later on this week. Rayfaiel

1364
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,599
on the road back in Clark County without me. You

1365
00:58:53,639 --> 00:58:57,159
gotta behave don't do any prone Whittaker overnight binges, not

1366
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:01,159
much while we're going, and will reconvene later this week.

1367
00:59:02,719 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 2: For the upcoming show. We're done with January.

1368
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: This will be the first compelling fight card of what

1369
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,840
will be a busy February coming up. For now, though,

1370
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:11,760
we're good here on the Fight Preak to Night Recap

1371
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:12,719
podcast by the Rayfield.

1372
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,199
Speaker 2: Have a good week. Travel safe to Vegas.

1373
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 3: Thank you, sir.

1374
00:59:15,039 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: There you go, there's Dan Rayfield. Get on the Fight

1375
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,840
Preak to Night, substack and newsletters. Subscribe and follow on

1376
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:21,800
this podfeed. I'm merely TJ.

1377
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:22,199
Speaker 2: Reeves.

1378
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,079
Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us on the Fight Freaks

1379
00:59:24,159 --> 00:59:25,239
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