Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. So the Post in Courier down in South
Carolina did a fantastic job digging into the claims made
by Jane do number four about Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein,
and this of course has to do with the allegations
that she made about Donald Trump and what he allegedly
did to her. Now, the Trump administration has said that
this is nothing but a bunch of bs, and that
nothing ever happened, and that this woman is not telling
the truth, and that all of this is just another
hoax that's been made up by the Democrats to try
and take Donald Trump down. But when you get through
all the noise and you start looking at the facts,
and you start looking at the evidence that we have,
it is very concerning that an investigation was never launched
into these allegations and to what this young lady had
to say. So today we have an article from the
Post and Courier down in South Carolina, and hopefully this
gives us a little bit of clarity about what's going on.
Headlined Fuzzy Memories and hard Facts, an se accuser's claims
against Epstein, Trump examined. This article was authored by Mitchell
Black and Marilyn W. Thompson, a woman who claimed she
was abused as a miner by both Jeffrey Epstein and
Donald Trump, has given the FBI vivid accounts that include
aspects of her life corroborated by The Post and Courier
through public records. And when it comes to situations like this,
very rarely are we going to be given a smoking gun.
We're gonna have to put together circumstantial evidence, and if
pieces of the story are corroborated, I think it's very
important that more investigation is launched. You see. Look, I'm
not calling for anybody to be hung up by their toes,
at least not until they're convicted. What I'm calling for
is a robust investigation into all these allegations, including this one.
And if that offends you or you think that that
shouldn't happen, I don't care. I really don't give a fuck,
because anybody who's looking at this through the lens of
justice knows there was never any real investigation into this
or anything else. Her alleged encounter with Trump sometime around
nineteen eighty four remains unproven, and the White House on
March seventh, said there's no credible evidence that the woman's
account is true. Well can we see the work considering
that pages and pages are missing? Still, can we see
what the FBI was up to? You know, like the
law demands, But they won't even do that. What they'll
do is say, look, this is all bs. We don't
have to show you anything. We're just going to tell you.
And if you think anything else, and you think that
a bigger investigation should be launched, well you're just a
conspiracy theorist, which I find comical from people who believe
that aliens are demons. You hear that one with Jadvan,
Oh aliens or demons? I mean, imagine being governed by
wholly unserious people like this. If it wasn't so terrifying,
it would be comical. Maybe JD. Van should just have
a gigantic exorcism to get rid of all the demons.
Using archive, government records and news accounts, the Post and
Courier found that the woman provided verifiable details to agents
about her family background and its legal entanglements. She offered
the name of an Epstein business associate on Hilton Head
Island who became a central figure in the drama with
specifics that are reflected in public record. Yo, this is
a damning report. Just so we're clear, this is a
pretty damning report for Donald Trump and the administration, and
not because it automatically proves what she's saying is true,
but it corroborates a lot of the information that she
was giving up to the authorities. So when you're being
truthful about all the background information, chances are you're being
truthful about what happened. The accounts describe an early phase
in the mid eighties a potential criminal conduct by Epstein
that involved sexual activity with miners on Hilton Head. The
alleged victim told the FBI she was under constant pressure
from him to recruit more girls there to come party
with him, and as disgusting older friends. The incidents almost
always involved drugs and alcohol and turned violent with hair
pulling and beatings, according to the women, which is very
concerning considering what we heard about Zoro Ranch and the
women who died due to rough sex. And when I
tell you about the little golden nuggets in these articles,
in these stories we talk about, this is one of them.
When you put all of it together, that's called circumstantial evidence.
And when you start putting all that circumstantial evidence together,
that's how you build the foundation of a case. And
if we had a serious FBI, they'd be all over it,
investigating it with the thoroughness that it deserves. But they
never did. So now we're left to ask questions and
wonder why the FBI was negligent and didn't do their
job when it comes to investigating these allegations made by
this woman. There was no truth to those allegations. Meanwhile,
they never even investigated, So yeah, I'm sure there's no
truth when you're not investigating. Epstein went on to command
a global sex trafficking ring that wrote in hundreds of women,
including many teenagers. He faced federal charges of sexually trafficking
miners when he died in his federal prison cell in
twenty nineteen. In her account about Trump, she claimed that
he forced her to commit a sex act on him
sometime around nineteen eighty four, but she provided foggy details
de FBI agents, including that the alleged encounter with Trump
happened when she traveled north to New York or New
Jersey with Epstein, who was a fixture in elite society.
By then, decades before he sought the presidency, Trump already
become a prominent presence in the New York business and
social scene. Well, we know that Donald Trump said that
Epstein likes them young, even younger than me. So is
it really out of the realm of possibility that Donald
Trump like younger women. He told us he liked younger women.
He's always been married to younger women. He's always been
with younger women. Now does that mean that he is
guilty of this crime? Of course not. What I'm saying
is there was never a proper investigation, just like with
the rest of this bullshit. And until there's a proper investigation,
I don't want to hear from anybody about who's innocent
and who's guilty. We don't know yet. Besides the people
that are dead to rights that we have obvious information on,
you know, the Indykes, the cons the core four people
like that. I believe there's a smoking gun pointing directly
at people like that when it comes to people like
Donald Trump. What we have so far is a ton
of circumstantial evidence. And when you put all that circumstantial
evidence together, it starts painting a picture and the picture
it paints for Donald Trump is not a good one.
A friend of hers also reported the allegation about Trump
to the FBI in twenty nineteen. The bureau cited her
allegation in an email circulated within the agency and recently
made public by the Justice Department. She asked that her
friend be protected. Why would her friend get involved if
she's not telling the truth? Is it just some big scam,
some big scheme. Maybe. Look, I don't rule anything out,
and that's why I keep saying. We need to have
a robust investigation. No rocks left unturned, no bush is
left unshaken, and no doors left unkicked in. If you
want to get to the bottom of something, I know
this is a novel idea, you have to investigate it.
Of the details that the post and Courier found, supported
by public records, none are related directly to the alleged
victims about Trump. The posting courier is not identifying the woman,
in keeping with its policy on sexual assault victims. The
woman did not respond to messages seeking an interview, and
their attorney, Lisa Bloom, a leading sexual assault lawyer, declined
to comment. Look any time I see Lisa Bloom around
or her mom, Gloria Alred. I have questions. I'm not
a big fan of either of them, and I think
that both of them are glory hounds and they do
everything basically to help their own profile, not like they
care about these survivors, at least not in my opinion.
And when you have Gloria already show up or Lisa Bloom,
automatically people start thinking that this is a hoax. And
that's because they've been involved in how many shakedowns throughout
the years. So when you have Lisa Bloom or Gloria
already involved, that also brings with it a certain amount
of skepticism from a group of people. And look, I'm
not saying that everything Lisa Bloom and Gloria all Ready
get involved with is for publicity, but there's no doubt
that they are glory hounds. To identify key players in
the women's account and attempt to evaluate her claims, the
newspaper scoured court records, police reports, and old newspaper clippings
in multiple states. It also deployed a reporter to the
West Coast to retrace her steps in a journey that
began on a tiny resort island along the South Carolina coast.
The alleged victim claimed that Epstein had business contacts in
Hilton Head and lived temporarily on the island in two residences.
One associate, she said, was a businessman in Ohio who
took over a small real estate company on Hilton Head
that hired her mother as a broker in the mid
nineteen eighties. The associate, who commuted to the island from
the Cincinnati area, dated her mother as well, she said.
Records show that the woman's mother bought the property in
Hilton Head in nineteen eighty one for fifty five thousand
dollars point or address with steps from Colligny Beach, now
the most popular ocean front for visitors to the island
beaches she moved off. In record show in local classified advertisements,
the company that employed her mother marketed long term rentals
of homes and villas. It offered an array of lodging
from a seaside cabin to a fully furnished locale at
the Four Seasons Resort with access to a jacuzzi, tennis
and handball courts. Sounds pretty swanky, huh. Sounds like the
exact kind of place. Jeffrey Epstein and his buddies would
be hanging out. Her mom rented one home to finance
here Jeffrey Epstein. According to the alleged victim, she told
federal agents that her mother advertised in a flyer that she,
then thirteen, could provide babysitting services. Epstein, the woman said,
summoned her to the house where he began his pattern
of abuse. The Ohio associate who hired her mother also
had sex with the teen several times and physically abused her,
she told agents. She described them as a man with
gray hair and big ears. She told agent she believed
he was affiliated with the Cincinnati based college. The Post
and Courier confirmed that he was a board member of
the for profit school. Yikes, so they confirmed that part
of her story. Huh, that's interesting. And if she's telling
the truth about this, what else is she telling the
truth about. Local newspaper accounts from the time describe problems
with drug use among the young who were hanging out
on Hiltonhead's beaches. The alleged victims at Epstein, who provided marijuana, cocaine,
and pills to her and others, brought fat, older men
to a pool gathering at a resort hotel and looked
previously the drug stuff, it was kind of like, ah, maybe,
but we haven't really heard that from anybody else. But
now with what we know about the DEA and the investigation,
all this stuff about drugs, I think we have to reevaluate.
She only recalled encountering Epstein once in a non sexual situation,
telling agents she bumped into him at a Rick James
concert in Savannah, Georgia, when she was around fifteen. She
said he got her drunk, and newspaper record show the
super Freak musician performed regularly in the Savannah area at
the time corroborated her story again, and when you have
all these little pieces that get corroborated, it starts to
make you wonder if she's telling the truth about it.
All right, anybody who's looking at it from a neutral perspective,
looking at it through the lens of justice, not oh,
well I want Donald Trump to be innocent, or oh
I want him to be guilty, but no, just through
the lens of neutrality, and through that lens, I don't
know how anyone could look at this and say, oh,
it's been investigated fully. Well, yeah, Donald Trump, he's been
cleared because in my opinion, he is not. Now. With
that said, would I be able to convict him on
what we know now? Of course not. There's no smoking
gun here. But when you have a bunch of circumstantial
evidence that starts to add up, that's when things start
getting dangerous for the people that are being accused and
folks that circumstantial evidence has begun to pile up. At
one point, our mother became aware that Epstein had nude
photos of the teen from their sexual encounters and was
demanding money to keep them midden, the woman told the FBI.
The victim said she had seen the photographs in his bedstand,
leading to a violent encounter when he discovered her snooping.
She said his extortion demand caused her mother to steal
funds from her real estate company. Epstein had departed investment
in trading company Bari Stearns in nineteen eighty one after
an internal investigation of his trading practices. Around the time
of the allegations, he was operating a company he founded
in New York. Epstein worked as a troubleshooter for wealthy clients,
advising them on issues like corporate embettlement and offering investment strategies,
which is amazing considering dude was a college dropout. But
sure all of the elite people in New York and
elsewhere were just clamoring for his services, right, give me
a break. The alleged victim set her mother's boss, the
Epstein associate from Ohio, and his company accountant helped the
mother fix the books so she could pay off Epstein.
The alleged victim told agents that the episode was so
stressful for her mother that her mother began drinking again.
Her mother later went to prison near Columbia. The woman
told agents, records confirmed that our mother was implicated in
such a crime around the time. In October of nineteen
eighty five, the sc Real Estate Commission froze her business
escrow account and temporarily suspended her license, According to a
local newspaper account, So again, what this young lady had
to say, And I think, as we keep moving forward
and we see these little pieces corroborated, it really stops
you in your tracks and makes you realize that the
FBI obviously didn't look into this. A commission spokesperson responding
to the Post and Courier request said the records were
not immediately available but other documents show the mother's boss
at the real estate firm saw criminal charges against the mother.
The following year, she was accused of stealing twenty two
thousand dollars from the escrow account. Record show months later,
she was charged with six counts of forgery for writing
bad checks, a crime she had been accused of in
the past as well. Signing off on the charges was
then solicitor Randolph Buster Murdaw Junior, the grandfather of convicted
murderer Alex Murdau, Which is a whole ass other disaster
of a story if you're not familiar with it. Boy,
oh boy, the Murdaws what an absolutely train wreck. Lawyers
who represented the mother either declined to comment or did
not recall the case. A deputy who transported her from
Sumter to Beaufort after her arrest told the Post and
Courier he did not remember picking her up. The mother
ultimately pleaded guilty to all charges, was sentenced to probation
and ordered to make monthly one hundred and fifty dollars
restitution payments until she paid off the debt. She failed
to make those payments, and the daughter told the FBI
she tracked down her mother's old boss to ask him
for help. She said, the Epstein associate coldly told her
not to call her again and didn't care if she
ended up in the gutter. Well, that sounds about right.
Anybody associated with Epstein doesn't give a damn about the
people he abuses, so that certainly tracks. In nineteen ninety,
a court and Charleston found that the mother violated parole
by traveling abroad without permission and by failing to meet
the payment schedule. The alleged victim told the FBI her
mother was sent to stay prison near Columbia. State officials
confirmed details of her mother's incarceration. By that time, the
daughter was seventeen or eighteen years old and had moved
to Somerville. She left Hiltonhead High School before graduating. Records
confirmed that she attended the school and did appeared the
FBI agents had obtained a copy of its yearbook. The
Hallison the mother and her daughter remained physically close over
the years, living near one another at various times. So
look again, no smoking gun here, guys, not at all.
But I think that the point is that she's telling
the truth about these other things. So if she's telling
the truth, about these other things. Shouldn't that lead the
investigators to dig deeper and go harder. But it looks
like everything was just closed up and the investigation was,
you know, stemied. Records showed that her mother was accused
by a Charleston woman of breaking an orring her home
in nineteen ninety six and sued for eviction by a
landlord in Washington State in nineteen ninety eight. She and
her daughter eventually both ended up out West, and there
the daughter would level the accusations that have now placed
her at center stage in the Epstein saga. Years after
the events on Hilton Head, the woman said both she
and her mother felt that Epstein was tracking their movements.
Both faced suspicious calls and frightening incidents in addition to
detailing her abuse at Epstein's hands. The woman offered vague
details across three interviews about her encounter with Trump. She
said that the incident occurred when he was a leading
developer with a new casino in Atlantic City. She said
that she was led to Trump in a very tall
building with huge rooms. The future president instructed others to
leave the room, she said, and allegedly told her, let
me teach you how little girls are supposed to be. Well,
that's fucking terrifying. Huh. If that's true, good Lord, that
man's the president of the United States of America. Huh.
And if you were wondering what's going on over in Iran, well,
I would think that these kinds of allegations here are
playing a bit of a part. Considering how the whole
conversation is now turned from the Epstein issue to Iran.
The conspiratorial part of my brain wants to say that
it all has to do with what's going on with
the Epstein files and how damaging they are to Donald Trump.
And look, the more information that comes out, the more
the case can be made. Are we going to act
like it would be the first time that a president
dealing with domestic issues tries to flip the script and
get the heat off of them by causing some kind
of international issue like we're seeing in Iran. Have we
forgotten what Bill Clinton liked to do? Or hell, any
of these presidents whenever there's an issue, go bomb somebody.
She said that he unzipped his pants and forced her
to perform a sex act, the alleged victim told the
FBI she bit the shit out of it, causing Trump
to slap her across the face and curse at her.
It's unclear from the interview records how long she stayed
in the New York area, but she had family connections
in the state. In her talks with the FBI, the
woman also detailed calls to her mother at an assisted
living facility on the West Coast, where both of them
had settled. The Post and Courier verified that the mother
used a private nursing care home as an address in
her declining years. A death record matches the mother's age
and name, but Washington State does not publicly release other
identifying details. So again, told the truth about that? So
is she just telling the truth about all these little things,
these little pickI un things, or is she telling the
truth about all of it? I'll leave it up to
you to decide. It's common for sexual trauma victims to
have trouble recollecting the specifics of abusive incidents, According to experts,
The FBI recognized this during its decades long Epstein investigation
and provided free counseling services to the victims. One agent
involved in the woman's interview with the FBI was a
psychologist trained in victim trauma. Critical elements of the woman's
story are difficult to verify without the ability to call witnesses, conducts,
porn interviews, and subpoena financial records. It's unclear whether the
FBI attempted such an investigation. They did not, and that's
the problem right there, that's the problem. No investigation was
kicked off or initiated, so we don't know what's what.
These allegations have been made. Trump has denied them, but
we don't have any investigation to go on. So it
comes down to what do you believe. The woman repeatedly
told FBI agent she believed it served no purpose to
tell her a story because the events occurred so long ago.
Trump had also been elected president in twenty sixteen. She
informed agents in August twenty nineteen that she wanted them
to know she had sued Epstein's estate in case suppose
to conflict with their investigation. In a statement to The
Post and Courier, Trump's press secretary, Caroline Levitt called the
allegations baseless accusations from decades ago that are backed by
zero evidence or facts. She described the alleged victim as
a sadly disturbed woman who has an extensive criminal history. Yo,
that's the same way they tried to frame the girls
in Florida. It's wholly unacceptable, and it's the same bullshit
that Anna Paulina Luna does. Just pay attention to the patterns, folks.
They tell you more than the words ever will. And
the attempt to shit on people's credibility is just unbelievably gross. Oh,
somebody has a criminal history, huh, So that means they
can't be assaulted, They've never been abused. Furthermore, doesn't Donald
Trump have a criminal history? How about Kushner's dad? How
about insert person here in Donald Trump's inner circle? So
please save the bullshit. People make mistakes in their life,
they get caught up in the system. Happens to a
lot of people. Does it mean they don't have credibility?
Of course it doesn't, especially considering when you're talking about
people who think that Klain Maxwell is credible. So that
shows you where we are on the spectrum here. After
her time with Epstein, the alleged victim accumulated a record
of criminal charges, drug dependency, and domestic turmoil. She had
a daughter and was prosecuted for filing false claims for
food stamp applications. The alleged victim avoided prison by completing
a drug diversion program. The alleged victim had a turbulent
domestic life, with three marriages, including one that lasted only
a few weeks. Her mother shows up in court records
as a witness and a violent domestic incident between her
daughter and her first husband, who declined to speak when
a reporter approached him at his door. Well, yeah, I mean,
I'm sure he wants nothing to do with any of this,
her first husband. My guess is, dude has moved on
with his life, right. The alleged victim eventually returned to
the East Coast and lived with relatives in Georgia, developing
a romantic relationship with a terminally ild man who was
saving money for his funeral. She stole an envelope filled
with cash from him and spent a year in county
jail for it. Her public defender told the Post and
Courier that she described her life to him as having
been permanently scarred by her experience with Epstein. That tracks
how many of these women ended up having mental problems
after they were abused. A whole lot of them. Now,
does that mean that this person shouldn't be questioned and
that we should just believe every she says. No, that's
not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is it's time
for a robust investigation and for the FBI to get
off their ass. Enough with the cover up, enough with
the bullshit, enough half stepping, and do what the law
demands that you do. But unfortunately, what I expect is
for this cover up to continue and deepen, and like usual,
we'll be here every step of the way. All the
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