1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:08,679 Epstein Chronicles. So the Post in Courier down in South 3 00:00:08,679 --> 00:00:13,599 Carolina did a fantastic job digging into the claims made 4 00:00:13,679 --> 00:00:18,000 by Jane do number four about Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein, 5 00:00:18,359 --> 00:00:20,960 and this of course has to do with the allegations 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,559 that she made about Donald Trump and what he allegedly 7 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,399 did to her. Now, the Trump administration has said that 8 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,000 this is nothing but a bunch of bs, and that 9 00:00:30,039 --> 00:00:33,759 nothing ever happened, and that this woman is not telling 10 00:00:33,799 --> 00:00:36,119 the truth, and that all of this is just another 11 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,079 hoax that's been made up by the Democrats to try 12 00:00:39,079 --> 00:00:41,799 and take Donald Trump down. But when you get through 13 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,159 all the noise and you start looking at the facts, 14 00:00:44,399 --> 00:00:47,039 and you start looking at the evidence that we have, 15 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,560 it is very concerning that an investigation was never launched 16 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:55,280 into these allegations and to what this young lady had 17 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,000 to say. So today we have an article from the 18 00:00:58,039 --> 00:01:02,200 Post and Courier down in South Carolina, and hopefully this 19 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,879 gives us a little bit of clarity about what's going on. 20 00:01:05,719 --> 00:01:09,840 Headlined Fuzzy Memories and hard Facts, an se accuser's claims 21 00:01:09,879 --> 00:01:14,560 against Epstein, Trump examined. This article was authored by Mitchell 22 00:01:14,599 --> 00:01:20,480 Black and Marilyn W. Thompson, a woman who claimed she 23 00:01:20,599 --> 00:01:23,319 was abused as a miner by both Jeffrey Epstein and 24 00:01:23,359 --> 00:01:27,040 Donald Trump, has given the FBI vivid accounts that include 25 00:01:27,079 --> 00:01:30,519 aspects of her life corroborated by The Post and Courier 26 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,799 through public records. And when it comes to situations like this, 27 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,959 very rarely are we going to be given a smoking gun. 28 00:01:37,359 --> 00:01:41,280 We're gonna have to put together circumstantial evidence, and if 29 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,400 pieces of the story are corroborated, I think it's very 30 00:01:44,439 --> 00:01:50,760 important that more investigation is launched. You see. Look, I'm 31 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,400 not calling for anybody to be hung up by their toes, 32 00:01:54,439 --> 00:01:57,439 at least not until they're convicted. What I'm calling for 33 00:01:57,719 --> 00:02:02,200 is a robust investigation into all these allegations, including this one. 34 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,400 And if that offends you or you think that that 35 00:02:04,439 --> 00:02:08,680 shouldn't happen, I don't care. I really don't give a fuck, 36 00:02:09,159 --> 00:02:11,759 because anybody who's looking at this through the lens of 37 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:16,000 justice knows there was never any real investigation into this 38 00:02:16,319 --> 00:02:21,319 or anything else. Her alleged encounter with Trump sometime around 39 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,800 nineteen eighty four remains unproven, and the White House on 40 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,840 March seventh, said there's no credible evidence that the woman's 41 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:32,159 account is true. Well can we see the work considering 42 00:02:32,199 --> 00:02:35,599 that pages and pages are missing? Still, can we see 43 00:02:35,599 --> 00:02:38,039 what the FBI was up to? You know, like the 44 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:42,120 law demands, But they won't even do that. What they'll 45 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,719 do is say, look, this is all bs. We don't 46 00:02:44,719 --> 00:02:46,479 have to show you anything. We're just going to tell you. 47 00:02:47,039 --> 00:02:49,400 And if you think anything else, and you think that 48 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,479 a bigger investigation should be launched, well you're just a 49 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,199 conspiracy theorist, which I find comical from people who believe 50 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,879 that aliens are demons. You hear that one with Jadvan, 51 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,960 Oh aliens or demons? I mean, imagine being governed by 52 00:03:04,039 --> 00:03:08,400 wholly unserious people like this. If it wasn't so terrifying, 53 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,479 it would be comical. Maybe JD. Van should just have 54 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,360 a gigantic exorcism to get rid of all the demons. 55 00:03:16,039 --> 00:03:18,960 Using archive, government records and news accounts, the Post and 56 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,879 Courier found that the woman provided verifiable details to agents 57 00:03:23,039 --> 00:03:26,840 about her family background and its legal entanglements. She offered 58 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,960 the name of an Epstein business associate on Hilton Head 59 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,039 Island who became a central figure in the drama with 60 00:03:33,159 --> 00:03:37,520 specifics that are reflected in public record. Yo, this is 61 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:42,520 a damning report. Just so we're clear, this is a 62 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,879 pretty damning report for Donald Trump and the administration, and 63 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,840 not because it automatically proves what she's saying is true, 64 00:03:51,159 --> 00:03:54,039 but it corroborates a lot of the information that she 65 00:03:54,199 --> 00:03:57,319 was giving up to the authorities. So when you're being 66 00:03:57,319 --> 00:04:01,240 truthful about all the background information, chances are you're being 67 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:06,080 truthful about what happened. The accounts describe an early phase 68 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,199 in the mid eighties a potential criminal conduct by Epstein 69 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,400 that involved sexual activity with miners on Hilton Head. The 70 00:04:13,439 --> 00:04:16,959 alleged victim told the FBI she was under constant pressure 71 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,279 from him to recruit more girls there to come party 72 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:24,839 with him, and as disgusting older friends. The incidents almost 73 00:04:24,879 --> 00:04:28,319 always involved drugs and alcohol and turned violent with hair 74 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:32,839 pulling and beatings, according to the women, which is very 75 00:04:32,879 --> 00:04:36,680 concerning considering what we heard about Zoro Ranch and the 76 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,160 women who died due to rough sex. And when I 77 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,720 tell you about the little golden nuggets in these articles, 78 00:04:42,759 --> 00:04:46,079 in these stories we talk about, this is one of them. 79 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,839 When you put all of it together, that's called circumstantial evidence. 80 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,839 And when you start putting all that circumstantial evidence together, 81 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,839 that's how you build the foundation of a case. And 82 00:04:55,879 --> 00:04:59,519 if we had a serious FBI, they'd be all over it, 83 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,519 investigating it with the thoroughness that it deserves. But they 84 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,079 never did. So now we're left to ask questions and 85 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,360 wonder why the FBI was negligent and didn't do their 86 00:05:09,439 --> 00:05:12,959 job when it comes to investigating these allegations made by 87 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:17,399 this woman. There was no truth to those allegations. Meanwhile, 88 00:05:17,439 --> 00:05:20,720 they never even investigated, So yeah, I'm sure there's no 89 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,439 truth when you're not investigating. Epstein went on to command 90 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,720 a global sex trafficking ring that wrote in hundreds of women, 91 00:05:27,959 --> 00:05:32,240 including many teenagers. He faced federal charges of sexually trafficking 92 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,399 miners when he died in his federal prison cell in 93 00:05:35,399 --> 00:05:39,360 twenty nineteen. In her account about Trump, she claimed that 94 00:05:39,399 --> 00:05:41,560 he forced her to commit a sex act on him 95 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,800 sometime around nineteen eighty four, but she provided foggy details 96 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,480 de FBI agents, including that the alleged encounter with Trump 97 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,199 happened when she traveled north to New York or New 98 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:56,199 Jersey with Epstein, who was a fixture in elite society. 99 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:00,439 By then, decades before he sought the presidency, Trump already 100 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,279 become a prominent presence in the New York business and 101 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,600 social scene. Well, we know that Donald Trump said that 102 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,519 Epstein likes them young, even younger than me. So is 103 00:06:10,519 --> 00:06:13,199 it really out of the realm of possibility that Donald 104 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:17,319 Trump like younger women. He told us he liked younger women. 105 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,920 He's always been married to younger women. He's always been 106 00:06:19,959 --> 00:06:22,920 with younger women. Now does that mean that he is 107 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,319 guilty of this crime? Of course not. What I'm saying 108 00:06:26,439 --> 00:06:29,959 is there was never a proper investigation, just like with 109 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,519 the rest of this bullshit. And until there's a proper investigation, 110 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,399 I don't want to hear from anybody about who's innocent 111 00:06:37,439 --> 00:06:41,160 and who's guilty. We don't know yet. Besides the people 112 00:06:41,199 --> 00:06:44,639 that are dead to rights that we have obvious information on, 113 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,360 you know, the Indykes, the cons the core four people 114 00:06:48,439 --> 00:06:51,879 like that. I believe there's a smoking gun pointing directly 115 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,560 at people like that when it comes to people like 116 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,079 Donald Trump. What we have so far is a ton 117 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,959 of circumstantial evidence. And when you put all that circumstantial 118 00:07:01,959 --> 00:07:05,439 evidence together, it starts painting a picture and the picture 119 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,879 it paints for Donald Trump is not a good one. 120 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,000 A friend of hers also reported the allegation about Trump 121 00:07:11,079 --> 00:07:15,079 to the FBI in twenty nineteen. The bureau cited her 122 00:07:15,079 --> 00:07:19,720 allegation in an email circulated within the agency and recently 123 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,839 made public by the Justice Department. She asked that her 124 00:07:22,879 --> 00:07:26,439 friend be protected. Why would her friend get involved if 125 00:07:26,439 --> 00:07:28,800 she's not telling the truth? Is it just some big scam, 126 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:33,439 some big scheme. Maybe. Look, I don't rule anything out, 127 00:07:33,519 --> 00:07:35,360 and that's why I keep saying. We need to have 128 00:07:35,399 --> 00:07:41,839 a robust investigation. No rocks left unturned, no bush is 129 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:46,360 left unshaken, and no doors left unkicked in. If you 130 00:07:46,399 --> 00:07:48,279 want to get to the bottom of something, I know 131 00:07:48,399 --> 00:07:51,160 this is a novel idea, you have to investigate it. 132 00:07:53,759 --> 00:07:56,360 Of the details that the post and Courier found, supported 133 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,560 by public records, none are related directly to the alleged 134 00:07:59,639 --> 00:08:04,680 victims about Trump. The posting courier is not identifying the woman, 135 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,079 in keeping with its policy on sexual assault victims. The 136 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,319 woman did not respond to messages seeking an interview, and 137 00:08:11,399 --> 00:08:15,680 their attorney, Lisa Bloom, a leading sexual assault lawyer, declined 138 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:19,399 to comment. Look any time I see Lisa Bloom around 139 00:08:19,639 --> 00:08:23,959 or her mom, Gloria Alred. I have questions. I'm not 140 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,000 a big fan of either of them, and I think 141 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,120 that both of them are glory hounds and they do 142 00:08:29,199 --> 00:08:33,080 everything basically to help their own profile, not like they 143 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,480 care about these survivors, at least not in my opinion. 144 00:08:37,039 --> 00:08:40,360 And when you have Gloria already show up or Lisa Bloom, 145 00:08:40,799 --> 00:08:45,000 automatically people start thinking that this is a hoax. And 146 00:08:45,039 --> 00:08:47,679 that's because they've been involved in how many shakedowns throughout 147 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,399 the years. So when you have Lisa Bloom or Gloria 148 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,320 already involved, that also brings with it a certain amount 149 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,080 of skepticism from a group of people. And look, I'm 150 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,000 not saying that everything Lisa Bloom and Gloria all Ready 151 00:09:00,159 --> 00:09:04,399 get involved with is for publicity, but there's no doubt 152 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,679 that they are glory hounds. To identify key players in 153 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,720 the women's account and attempt to evaluate her claims, the 154 00:09:10,799 --> 00:09:15,600 newspaper scoured court records, police reports, and old newspaper clippings 155 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,320 in multiple states. It also deployed a reporter to the 156 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,919 West Coast to retrace her steps in a journey that 157 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:26,600 began on a tiny resort island along the South Carolina coast. 158 00:09:27,039 --> 00:09:30,120 The alleged victim claimed that Epstein had business contacts in 159 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:34,120 Hilton Head and lived temporarily on the island in two residences. 160 00:09:34,759 --> 00:09:38,080 One associate, she said, was a businessman in Ohio who 161 00:09:38,159 --> 00:09:41,000 took over a small real estate company on Hilton Head 162 00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:43,559 that hired her mother as a broker in the mid 163 00:09:43,639 --> 00:09:48,000 nineteen eighties. The associate, who commuted to the island from 164 00:09:48,039 --> 00:09:52,000 the Cincinnati area, dated her mother as well, she said. 165 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,600 Records show that the woman's mother bought the property in 166 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,840 Hilton Head in nineteen eighty one for fifty five thousand 167 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:03,759 dollars point or address with steps from Colligny Beach, now 168 00:10:03,799 --> 00:10:06,840 the most popular ocean front for visitors to the island 169 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:12,720 beaches she moved off. In record show in local classified advertisements, 170 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,200 the company that employed her mother marketed long term rentals 171 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,639 of homes and villas. It offered an array of lodging 172 00:10:19,879 --> 00:10:23,360 from a seaside cabin to a fully furnished locale at 173 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:27,080 the Four Seasons Resort with access to a jacuzzi, tennis 174 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:31,559 and handball courts. Sounds pretty swanky, huh. Sounds like the 175 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,320 exact kind of place. Jeffrey Epstein and his buddies would 176 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,440 be hanging out. Her mom rented one home to finance 177 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,879 here Jeffrey Epstein. According to the alleged victim, she told 178 00:10:40,919 --> 00:10:44,279 federal agents that her mother advertised in a flyer that she, 179 00:10:44,759 --> 00:10:49,879 then thirteen, could provide babysitting services. Epstein, the woman said, 180 00:10:49,919 --> 00:10:52,840 summoned her to the house where he began his pattern 181 00:10:52,879 --> 00:10:56,639 of abuse. The Ohio associate who hired her mother also 182 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,919 had sex with the teen several times and physically abused her, 183 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,080 she told agents. She described them as a man with 184 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,879 gray hair and big ears. She told agent she believed 185 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,919 he was affiliated with the Cincinnati based college. The Post 186 00:11:10,919 --> 00:11:14,759 and Courier confirmed that he was a board member of 187 00:11:14,759 --> 00:11:18,919 the for profit school. Yikes, so they confirmed that part 188 00:11:18,919 --> 00:11:23,120 of her story. Huh, that's interesting. And if she's telling 189 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,840 the truth about this, what else is she telling the 190 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:31,639 truth about. Local newspaper accounts from the time describe problems 191 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,559 with drug use among the young who were hanging out 192 00:11:34,799 --> 00:11:40,120 on Hiltonhead's beaches. The alleged victims at Epstein, who provided marijuana, cocaine, 193 00:11:40,159 --> 00:11:43,720 and pills to her and others, brought fat, older men 194 00:11:43,879 --> 00:11:47,320 to a pool gathering at a resort hotel and looked 195 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,399 previously the drug stuff, it was kind of like, ah, maybe, 196 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,759 but we haven't really heard that from anybody else. But 197 00:11:53,919 --> 00:11:57,279 now with what we know about the DEA and the investigation, 198 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,320 all this stuff about drugs, I think we have to reevaluate. 199 00:12:04,519 --> 00:12:08,360 She only recalled encountering Epstein once in a non sexual situation, 200 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,799 telling agents she bumped into him at a Rick James 201 00:12:11,799 --> 00:12:15,679 concert in Savannah, Georgia, when she was around fifteen. She 202 00:12:15,799 --> 00:12:18,759 said he got her drunk, and newspaper record show the 203 00:12:18,799 --> 00:12:23,080 super Freak musician performed regularly in the Savannah area at 204 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,759 the time corroborated her story again, and when you have 205 00:12:26,799 --> 00:12:29,759 all these little pieces that get corroborated, it starts to 206 00:12:29,799 --> 00:12:32,159 make you wonder if she's telling the truth about it. 207 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,440 All right, anybody who's looking at it from a neutral perspective, 208 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,279 looking at it through the lens of justice, not oh, 209 00:12:41,279 --> 00:12:43,759 well I want Donald Trump to be innocent, or oh 210 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,279 I want him to be guilty, but no, just through 211 00:12:46,279 --> 00:12:51,240 the lens of neutrality, and through that lens, I don't 212 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,200 know how anyone could look at this and say, oh, 213 00:12:53,279 --> 00:12:56,559 it's been investigated fully. Well, yeah, Donald Trump, he's been 214 00:12:56,639 --> 00:13:00,679 cleared because in my opinion, he is not. Now. With 215 00:13:00,759 --> 00:13:04,799 that said, would I be able to convict him on 216 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,879 what we know now? Of course not. There's no smoking 217 00:13:07,919 --> 00:13:11,360 gun here. But when you have a bunch of circumstantial 218 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,240 evidence that starts to add up, that's when things start 219 00:13:14,279 --> 00:13:17,159 getting dangerous for the people that are being accused and 220 00:13:17,279 --> 00:13:22,000 folks that circumstantial evidence has begun to pile up. At 221 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,639 one point, our mother became aware that Epstein had nude 222 00:13:24,639 --> 00:13:28,240 photos of the teen from their sexual encounters and was 223 00:13:28,279 --> 00:13:31,320 demanding money to keep them midden, the woman told the FBI. 224 00:13:31,799 --> 00:13:34,720 The victim said she had seen the photographs in his bedstand, 225 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,159 leading to a violent encounter when he discovered her snooping. 226 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,320 She said his extortion demand caused her mother to steal 227 00:13:42,399 --> 00:13:46,799 funds from her real estate company. Epstein had departed investment 228 00:13:46,879 --> 00:13:50,279 in trading company Bari Stearns in nineteen eighty one after 229 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:54,519 an internal investigation of his trading practices. Around the time 230 00:13:54,519 --> 00:13:57,559 of the allegations, he was operating a company he founded 231 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:02,279 in New York. Epstein worked as a troubleshooter for wealthy clients, 232 00:14:02,639 --> 00:14:07,840 advising them on issues like corporate embettlement and offering investment strategies, 233 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,960 which is amazing considering dude was a college dropout. But 234 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,639 sure all of the elite people in New York and 235 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:19,080 elsewhere were just clamoring for his services, right, give me 236 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,240 a break. The alleged victim set her mother's boss, the 237 00:14:23,279 --> 00:14:27,120 Epstein associate from Ohio, and his company accountant helped the 238 00:14:27,159 --> 00:14:29,759 mother fix the books so she could pay off Epstein. 239 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,639 The alleged victim told agents that the episode was so 240 00:14:33,679 --> 00:14:36,919 stressful for her mother that her mother began drinking again. 241 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,799 Her mother later went to prison near Columbia. The woman 242 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:45,120 told agents, records confirmed that our mother was implicated in 243 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,799 such a crime around the time. In October of nineteen 244 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,120 eighty five, the sc Real Estate Commission froze her business 245 00:14:52,279 --> 00:14:56,879 escrow account and temporarily suspended her license, According to a 246 00:14:56,919 --> 00:15:01,639 local newspaper account, So again, what this young lady had 247 00:15:01,679 --> 00:15:04,919 to say, And I think, as we keep moving forward 248 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,279 and we see these little pieces corroborated, it really stops 249 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,639 you in your tracks and makes you realize that the 250 00:15:12,759 --> 00:15:17,440 FBI obviously didn't look into this. A commission spokesperson responding 251 00:15:17,519 --> 00:15:20,080 to the Post and Courier request said the records were 252 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:24,360 not immediately available but other documents show the mother's boss 253 00:15:24,399 --> 00:15:27,879 at the real estate firm saw criminal charges against the mother. 254 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,519 The following year, she was accused of stealing twenty two 255 00:15:31,519 --> 00:15:36,000 thousand dollars from the escrow account. Record show months later, 256 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,960 she was charged with six counts of forgery for writing 257 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,679 bad checks, a crime she had been accused of in 258 00:15:41,759 --> 00:15:45,000 the past as well. Signing off on the charges was 259 00:15:45,039 --> 00:15:50,039 then solicitor Randolph Buster Murdaw Junior, the grandfather of convicted 260 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:54,639 murderer Alex Murdau, Which is a whole ass other disaster 261 00:15:54,759 --> 00:15:57,159 of a story if you're not familiar with it. Boy, 262 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:01,440 oh boy, the Murdaws what an absolutely train wreck. Lawyers 263 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,519 who represented the mother either declined to comment or did 264 00:16:04,519 --> 00:16:08,120 not recall the case. A deputy who transported her from 265 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:12,600 Sumter to Beaufort after her arrest told the Post and 266 00:16:12,759 --> 00:16:16,720 Courier he did not remember picking her up. The mother 267 00:16:16,879 --> 00:16:20,320 ultimately pleaded guilty to all charges, was sentenced to probation 268 00:16:20,759 --> 00:16:23,480 and ordered to make monthly one hundred and fifty dollars 269 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:27,519 restitution payments until she paid off the debt. She failed 270 00:16:27,519 --> 00:16:30,159 to make those payments, and the daughter told the FBI 271 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,840 she tracked down her mother's old boss to ask him 272 00:16:32,879 --> 00:16:36,360 for help. She said, the Epstein associate coldly told her 273 00:16:36,519 --> 00:16:38,720 not to call her again and didn't care if she 274 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,159 ended up in the gutter. Well, that sounds about right. 275 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,200 Anybody associated with Epstein doesn't give a damn about the 276 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:51,399 people he abuses, so that certainly tracks. In nineteen ninety, 277 00:16:51,399 --> 00:16:54,480 a court and Charleston found that the mother violated parole 278 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,879 by traveling abroad without permission and by failing to meet 279 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,480 the payment schedule. The alleged victim told the FBI her 280 00:17:02,519 --> 00:17:06,160 mother was sent to stay prison near Columbia. State officials 281 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,880 confirmed details of her mother's incarceration. By that time, the 282 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,680 daughter was seventeen or eighteen years old and had moved 283 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:19,680 to Somerville. She left Hiltonhead High School before graduating. Records 284 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,160 confirmed that she attended the school and did appeared the 285 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,480 FBI agents had obtained a copy of its yearbook. The 286 00:17:25,559 --> 00:17:29,960 Hallison the mother and her daughter remained physically close over 287 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,839 the years, living near one another at various times. So 288 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,839 look again, no smoking gun here, guys, not at all. 289 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,240 But I think that the point is that she's telling 290 00:17:41,279 --> 00:17:44,799 the truth about these other things. So if she's telling 291 00:17:44,799 --> 00:17:47,079 the truth, about these other things. Shouldn't that lead the 292 00:17:47,079 --> 00:17:51,200 investigators to dig deeper and go harder. But it looks 293 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,519 like everything was just closed up and the investigation was, 294 00:17:54,599 --> 00:17:57,680 you know, stemied. Records showed that her mother was accused 295 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,640 by a Charleston woman of breaking an orring her home 296 00:18:00,839 --> 00:18:03,799 in nineteen ninety six and sued for eviction by a 297 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,839 landlord in Washington State in nineteen ninety eight. She and 298 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,319 her daughter eventually both ended up out West, and there 299 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,400 the daughter would level the accusations that have now placed 300 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:19,119 her at center stage in the Epstein saga. Years after 301 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,480 the events on Hilton Head, the woman said both she 302 00:18:21,599 --> 00:18:24,440 and her mother felt that Epstein was tracking their movements. 303 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:29,200 Both faced suspicious calls and frightening incidents in addition to 304 00:18:29,279 --> 00:18:33,359 detailing her abuse at Epstein's hands. The woman offered vague 305 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:37,039 details across three interviews about her encounter with Trump. She 306 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,839 said that the incident occurred when he was a leading 307 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:44,039 developer with a new casino in Atlantic City. She said 308 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,720 that she was led to Trump in a very tall 309 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:51,160 building with huge rooms. The future president instructed others to 310 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,440 leave the room, she said, and allegedly told her, let 311 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:59,279 me teach you how little girls are supposed to be. Well, 312 00:18:59,279 --> 00:19:04,839 that's fucking terrifying. Huh. If that's true, good Lord, that 313 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,519 man's the president of the United States of America. Huh. 314 00:19:07,559 --> 00:19:11,319 And if you were wondering what's going on over in Iran, well, 315 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,160 I would think that these kinds of allegations here are 316 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,519 playing a bit of a part. Considering how the whole 317 00:19:18,519 --> 00:19:22,240 conversation is now turned from the Epstein issue to Iran. 318 00:19:22,599 --> 00:19:26,559 The conspiratorial part of my brain wants to say that 319 00:19:26,599 --> 00:19:29,279 it all has to do with what's going on with 320 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,079 the Epstein files and how damaging they are to Donald Trump. 321 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,839 And look, the more information that comes out, the more 322 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,000 the case can be made. Are we going to act 323 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,799 like it would be the first time that a president 324 00:19:40,839 --> 00:19:43,720 dealing with domestic issues tries to flip the script and 325 00:19:43,759 --> 00:19:46,519 get the heat off of them by causing some kind 326 00:19:46,559 --> 00:19:51,480 of international issue like we're seeing in Iran. Have we 327 00:19:51,559 --> 00:19:54,640 forgotten what Bill Clinton liked to do? Or hell, any 328 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:59,880 of these presidents whenever there's an issue, go bomb somebody. 329 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:02,839 She said that he unzipped his pants and forced her 330 00:20:02,839 --> 00:20:05,640 to perform a sex act, the alleged victim told the 331 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,079 FBI she bit the shit out of it, causing Trump 332 00:20:09,079 --> 00:20:11,519 to slap her across the face and curse at her. 333 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,759 It's unclear from the interview records how long she stayed 334 00:20:15,799 --> 00:20:18,359 in the New York area, but she had family connections 335 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,119 in the state. In her talks with the FBI, the 336 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,720 woman also detailed calls to her mother at an assisted 337 00:20:24,759 --> 00:20:27,279 living facility on the West Coast, where both of them 338 00:20:27,279 --> 00:20:30,720 had settled. The Post and Courier verified that the mother 339 00:20:31,039 --> 00:20:33,880 used a private nursing care home as an address in 340 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:38,079 her declining years. A death record matches the mother's age 341 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:42,440 and name, but Washington State does not publicly release other 342 00:20:42,519 --> 00:20:47,519 identifying details. So again, told the truth about that? So 343 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,880 is she just telling the truth about all these little things, 344 00:20:50,079 --> 00:20:53,319 these little pickI un things, or is she telling the 345 00:20:53,319 --> 00:20:56,039 truth about all of it? I'll leave it up to 346 00:20:56,079 --> 00:21:02,319 you to decide. It's common for sexual trauma victims to 347 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:07,400 have trouble recollecting the specifics of abusive incidents, According to experts, 348 00:21:07,799 --> 00:21:12,079 The FBI recognized this during its decades long Epstein investigation 349 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,839 and provided free counseling services to the victims. One agent 350 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,920 involved in the woman's interview with the FBI was a 351 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:24,319 psychologist trained in victim trauma. Critical elements of the woman's 352 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:28,759 story are difficult to verify without the ability to call witnesses, conducts, 353 00:21:28,759 --> 00:21:32,880 porn interviews, and subpoena financial records. It's unclear whether the 354 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:37,319 FBI attempted such an investigation. They did not, and that's 355 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,759 the problem right there, that's the problem. No investigation was 356 00:21:41,839 --> 00:21:45,559 kicked off or initiated, so we don't know what's what. 357 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,799 These allegations have been made. Trump has denied them, but 358 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,759 we don't have any investigation to go on. So it 359 00:21:53,799 --> 00:21:57,240 comes down to what do you believe. The woman repeatedly 360 00:21:57,279 --> 00:21:59,920 told FBI agent she believed it served no purpose to 361 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,319 tell her a story because the events occurred so long ago. 362 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:08,240 Trump had also been elected president in twenty sixteen. She 363 00:22:08,319 --> 00:22:12,240 informed agents in August twenty nineteen that she wanted them 364 00:22:12,279 --> 00:22:15,400 to know she had sued Epstein's estate in case suppose 365 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,880 to conflict with their investigation. In a statement to The 366 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,880 Post and Courier, Trump's press secretary, Caroline Levitt called the 367 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:27,119 allegations baseless accusations from decades ago that are backed by 368 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:31,039 zero evidence or facts. She described the alleged victim as 369 00:22:31,079 --> 00:22:35,240 a sadly disturbed woman who has an extensive criminal history. Yo, 370 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,160 that's the same way they tried to frame the girls 371 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:42,359 in Florida. It's wholly unacceptable, and it's the same bullshit 372 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:47,759 that Anna Paulina Luna does. Just pay attention to the patterns, folks. 373 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,839 They tell you more than the words ever will. And 374 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:55,359 the attempt to shit on people's credibility is just unbelievably gross. Oh, 375 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,240 somebody has a criminal history, huh, So that means they 376 00:22:58,319 --> 00:23:02,680 can't be assaulted, They've never been abused. Furthermore, doesn't Donald 377 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:08,720 Trump have a criminal history? How about Kushner's dad? How 378 00:23:08,759 --> 00:23:13,599 about insert person here in Donald Trump's inner circle? So 379 00:23:13,759 --> 00:23:17,240 please save the bullshit. People make mistakes in their life, 380 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,519 they get caught up in the system. Happens to a 381 00:23:19,599 --> 00:23:22,720 lot of people. Does it mean they don't have credibility? 382 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,960 Of course it doesn't, especially considering when you're talking about 383 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,720 people who think that Klain Maxwell is credible. So that 384 00:23:30,839 --> 00:23:35,920 shows you where we are on the spectrum here. After 385 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,920 her time with Epstein, the alleged victim accumulated a record 386 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:43,079 of criminal charges, drug dependency, and domestic turmoil. She had 387 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:47,079 a daughter and was prosecuted for filing false claims for 388 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:51,640 food stamp applications. The alleged victim avoided prison by completing 389 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,599 a drug diversion program. The alleged victim had a turbulent 390 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,559 domestic life, with three marriages, including one that lasted only 391 00:23:59,559 --> 00:24:03,039 a few weeks. Her mother shows up in court records 392 00:24:03,079 --> 00:24:06,160 as a witness and a violent domestic incident between her 393 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,279 daughter and her first husband, who declined to speak when 394 00:24:09,279 --> 00:24:12,680 a reporter approached him at his door. Well, yeah, I mean, 395 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,440 I'm sure he wants nothing to do with any of this, 396 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,319 her first husband. My guess is, dude has moved on 397 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,680 with his life, right. The alleged victim eventually returned to 398 00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:26,400 the East Coast and lived with relatives in Georgia, developing 399 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,720 a romantic relationship with a terminally ild man who was 400 00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:33,640 saving money for his funeral. She stole an envelope filled 401 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,680 with cash from him and spent a year in county 402 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,759 jail for it. Her public defender told the Post and 403 00:24:38,839 --> 00:24:42,319 Courier that she described her life to him as having 404 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:47,279 been permanently scarred by her experience with Epstein. That tracks 405 00:24:47,559 --> 00:24:50,440 how many of these women ended up having mental problems 406 00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:55,960 after they were abused. A whole lot of them. Now, 407 00:24:56,039 --> 00:24:58,799 does that mean that this person shouldn't be questioned and 408 00:24:58,839 --> 00:25:01,640 that we should just believe every she says. No, that's 409 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,519 not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is it's time 410 00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:07,920 for a robust investigation and for the FBI to get 411 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,039 off their ass. Enough with the cover up, enough with 412 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,440 the bullshit, enough half stepping, and do what the law 413 00:25:14,519 --> 00:25:18,599 demands that you do. But unfortunately, what I expect is 414 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,960 for this cover up to continue and deepen, and like usual, 415 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:27,240 we'll be here every step of the way. 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