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Speaker 1: doctor Juliet Ingle. Kathy is a nationally and internationally recognized
Speaker 1: US government whistleblower and survivor of the mk Ultra mind
Speaker 1: control program. Doctor Juliet Ingle is an author and also
Speaker 1: survivor of the CIA's monarch Mkultra program. Kathy, doctor Juliet,
Speaker 1: Welcome back. How are y'all doing doing real well?
Speaker 2: I'm having fun with my friend Rosa and Bauer, who
Speaker 2: is one of the very first to be speaking out
Speaker 2: on MK ultra, and she'll be joining us here today too,
Speaker 2: so I love it a little extra fun.
Speaker 3: And here she is.
Speaker 1: Rozan. Hello, he welcome to Forbidden Knowledge News. An unexpected
Speaker 1: surprise today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought, well, I'll do it well.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on. It is great
Speaker 1: to have you. It's great to have all of you.
Speaker 1: Last time doctor Juliet and Kathy were on, we explored
Speaker 1: your experiences within the MK ultra programs as well as
Speaker 1: a bit about your healing journeys. Today, we're going to
Speaker 1: get deeper into those experiences, share some insights and extremely
Speaker 1: important information about the programs themselves, and what is going
Speaker 1: on with our ongoing battle against this pre class. Before
Speaker 1: we do, let's get some brief introductions, starting with Kathy.
Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about yourself and let the
Speaker 1: audience know how they can find more.
Speaker 2: I'm a survivor of CIA MK ultra mind control. I've
Speaker 2: been speaking out for over thirty five years on MK
Speaker 2: ultra mind control and healing from it. I was used
Speaker 2: on a White House Pentagon level deep in the swamp
Speaker 2: among perpetrators who steal elections, use drug and human trafficking
Speaker 2: across open borders to fund their globalist agenda, and who
Speaker 2: are using mind control on a global population to usher
Speaker 2: it in deepen that swamp. Among these perpetrators, they were
Speaker 2: talking all the time. They know that when trauma occurs,
Speaker 2: the brain photographically records events surrounding trauma, and they use
Speaker 2: that mechanism for delivering messages to an from government leaders,
Speaker 2: drug lords, and child traffickers like I was used in
Speaker 2: all those years. It's used for delivering messages and speeches,
Speaker 2: and so they know that happens. And yet they arrogantly
Speaker 2: thought I was going to die with their secrets before
Speaker 2: they could be told they were wrong as usual, And
Speaker 2: they talked so much right in front of me about
Speaker 2: what the plan is for us, all, how they were
Speaker 2: extending into different branches of government, how this corruption has
Speaker 2: permeated child protective services, how child sex trafficking has become
Speaker 2: one of the most lucrative businesses on the planet. In
Speaker 2: my lifetime, so I've got a vast array of information,
Speaker 2: and I look forward to sharing more and more of
Speaker 2: it as people's ears and eyes are open to the
Speaker 2: reality of MK Ultra mind control and thank you so
Speaker 2: much for doing so.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to sharing this with everyone. Doctor Juliet,
Speaker 1: briefly introduce yourself. Let the audience know how they can
Speaker 1: find more about you as well.
Speaker 4: Sure, I'm one of the oldest survivors. I'm seventy seven
Speaker 4: years old. I went into the program. The program started
Speaker 4: in the US in nineteen fifty three. I was sold
Speaker 4: into the program by my father in nineteen fifty five.
Speaker 4: I'm what about eight years older than Kathy, I think, and.
Speaker 3: Like her.
Speaker 4: I met a lot of the original people in the
Speaker 4: program because I was one of the first, and I
Speaker 4: was put in the program as a child of CIA operatives,
Speaker 4: and they talked a lot about around me, about me,
Speaker 4: about the program, they were trying different things. I met
Speaker 4: the doctor Greens, the German scientists, and I can see now,
Speaker 4: all these years later, the terrible effects this is having on us,
Speaker 4: our population, our world reputation were as the as the
Speaker 4: country run by satanists and pedophiles. And honestly, I can't
Speaker 4: say that's not true. And so we'll we'll talk more
Speaker 4: about it. And Kathy is my absolute hero, and she
Speaker 4: was the first to speak out courageously. I followed her
Speaker 4: for probably twenty years before I got my own voice,
Speaker 4: and it took that long. And I'm just thrilled to
Speaker 4: know her, and she's the best right on.
Speaker 1: And Roseanne needs little introduction, but say hello and tell
Speaker 1: us a little bit about how you got involved with
Speaker 1: this kind of awareness work.
Speaker 5: Yeah, my name is Roseanne Barr and I I I
Speaker 5: was born into a traumatized family, and so I became
Speaker 5: traumatized at like age three. I just had such a
Speaker 5: traumatic event in my life that I believe it rewired me.
Speaker 5: And I got a pair of eyes, which I don't
Speaker 5: really know why I got them, but I was just
Speaker 5: able to see things in a different way than.
Speaker 2: Anybody around me in.
Speaker 5: Salt Lake City, Utah as a girl growing up in
Speaker 5: an Orthodox Jewish family of survivors from World Wars to
Speaker 5: concentration camps, and I just got the eyes to see.
Speaker 5: Plus I'm on the autism spectrum and I just see
Speaker 5: systems clearly, and I see how they're put together, and
Speaker 5: I always did, And being in Salt Lake, I remember
Speaker 5: seeing things as a girl in Noa. They were peculiar
Speaker 5: and not logical, and it gave you a.
Speaker 2: Lot of insight into Hollywood later.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, and then yeah, it kind of it's I
Speaker 5: can't say, it just gave me a pair of eyes
Speaker 5: that's very different. And I would always have my my
Speaker 5: the way I looked at things verified more and more
Speaker 5: and more. And then when I came to Hollywood, it
Speaker 5: was like, oh my, it's exactly what I thought. And
Speaker 5: so I started really seeing it there working with child survivors,
Speaker 5: and that's how I hooked up with Kathy and I
Speaker 5: introduced her giving a speech she and Mark way back
Speaker 5: in like four hundred years ago, two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's how we met.
Speaker 5: And also the psychiatrists that I worked with to integratest
Speaker 5: my dissociative identity disorder was doctor Colin Ross, who Mark,
Speaker 5: Kathy's husband, Mark Phillips knew, and they both verified each
Speaker 5: other's you know, because doctor Ross also worked on MK ultro,
Speaker 5: written several books on it, and declassified several documents. Right,
Speaker 5: And so we just all fit together because I was
Speaker 5: They're introducing Kathy as my hero as well, and a
Speaker 5: survivor of some of the not some of, but the
Speaker 5: worst things that could ever happen to a human being.
Speaker 5: And yet when Kathy and I met. It was so fun.
Speaker 5: We we I don't know what, but we just had
Speaker 5: a blast. We forgot the world and we just went
Speaker 5: back to a place of as if we had not
Speaker 5: been damaged or something.
Speaker 2: We saw the future. We knew we'd reached this point
Speaker 2: of disclosure. Thank you for all you're doing to bring
Speaker 2: this information out.
Speaker 1: Yes, thanked, Thank you both. Thank you Rosanne for lending
Speaker 1: your voice to this. I want to go back to
Speaker 1: something you said earlier, Kathy, that they were letting you
Speaker 1: know all of their plans as you participated in these programs.
Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about some of the things
Speaker 1: that they had planned for us all well.
Speaker 2: They talked about things of infiltrating different governments around the world,
Speaker 2: because kult is a global project for a globalist agenda.
Speaker 2: It was one hundred year plan that began with Project
Speaker 2: paper Clip, when we imported the Nazi and Facias scientists
Speaker 2: into the US. With them came the formula for mk
Speaker 2: Ultra mind control. The CIA was formed to carry it
Speaker 2: through worldwide, and the National Security Act was put in
Speaker 2: place to keep it secret. Because knowledge is our defense
Speaker 2: against mind control. The plan was to infiltrate so many
Speaker 2: aspects of society, that they had a three generational effect
Speaker 2: on humanity because it was known in Hitler Himmler research
Speaker 2: that after three generations, any knowledge based, abuse, base, or
Speaker 2: belief system becomes autogenic in the brain. And they thought
Speaker 2: that they could bring people into full compliance with their agenda,
Speaker 2: which was supposed to culminate twenty thirty. Agenda twenty thirty.
Speaker 2: That's what it's really all about, is a slave society
Speaker 2: agenda that was supposed to have us all dumbed down
Speaker 2: to align with artificial intelligence. And you know, think about that,
Speaker 2: dumbed down to align with artificial intelligence, because you know,
Speaker 2: when we're using our full brains, in light of the amazing,
Speaker 2: brilliant brains that we've all been given, we have wisdom
Speaker 2: that all thinks their criminal minds and artificial intelligence. So
Speaker 2: our wisdom has been under attack, our humanity has been
Speaker 2: under attack, and their greatest fear is that we're going
Speaker 2: to remember who we are, why we're here, and that
Speaker 2: we have the ultimate power with the strength of the
Speaker 2: human spirit. So the Great Awakening is real. People are
Speaker 2: waking up. We're in the middle of a mental and
Speaker 2: spiritual evolution, and they're losing power so the things that
Speaker 2: I heard them discussing, the plans that they had in
Speaker 2: place are not unfolding quite the way they wanted them to.
Speaker 2: Yet many people were affected, especially with the plan that
Speaker 2: they had for the vaccines and how they wanted to
Speaker 2: reduce our numbers to a much more manageable size. All
Speaker 2: this information is in my nineteen ninety five testimony for
Speaker 2: Congress Transformation of America, so you know, the information is
Speaker 2: still right there, and people can start to see for themselves,
Speaker 2: you know, exactly where they're going wrong.
Speaker 5: A big part of it, Kathy, was the education syst Yeah,
Speaker 5: was absolutely public education, the indoctrination of children using the
Speaker 5: old Hitler's Youth programming, the Global Education program.
Speaker 2: It originally was called, now called common Core. It was
Speaker 2: intended to and doctrinate children with what to think rather
Speaker 2: than how to think, and that has had an effect
Speaker 2: over three generations. This real powerful now.
Speaker 1: And doctor Juliet, I know you had similar experiences with
Speaker 1: them telling you about their future plans for society. You
Speaker 1: mentioned last time you were on how they said they
Speaker 1: planned to eliminate the black race by the two thousands
Speaker 1: or believe or somewhere around that time, which that didn't
Speaker 1: come to fruition. They obviously aren't all powerful. They don't
Speaker 1: always get their agendas achieved. But what are some of
Speaker 1: the other things that they relate to you well.
Speaker 4: And I've written these things down, and every once in
Speaker 4: a while I would turn into social studies report in
Speaker 4: school saying things like the black population will be.
Speaker 3: Gone from the world. It was nineteen eighty two, Okay,
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 4: A very specific. That was their first agenda. Nineteen eighty
Speaker 4: two was their first go Then came the two thousand
Speaker 4: y two K and then came Agenda twenty twenty one,
Speaker 4: and now we're to Agenda twenty thirty. But they're going
Speaker 4: to pull out all this stops. And for one of
Speaker 4: the reasons for that is that so many of us
Speaker 4: are deprogramming. And I think a lot of that has
Speaker 4: to do with I'm seventy seven. I think in my seventies.
Speaker 4: It's just it's just like the barriers that held the
Speaker 4: artificial parts together are coming down.
Speaker 3: I did a lot of work, I've done a lot
Speaker 3: of healing.
Speaker 4: I spent a lot of time on it, but I
Speaker 4: think the barriers are weakening. And what matters to me
Speaker 4: at seventy seven is not what mattered to me at
Speaker 4: the age of thirty. And I find this talking to people.
Speaker 4: Many many people are coming forward and starting to remember
Speaker 4: and understand that this is happening. I've just spent the
Speaker 4: last few days working with atn Epstein's survivor, who's a
Speaker 4: spectacular musician and singer who records all of her music
Speaker 4: in the four thirty two frequency. Well, yeah, we were
Speaker 4: artificially changed into an unnatural frequency of four forty.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, and I failed to look up exactly what
Speaker 3: year that was, but I think.
Speaker 2: Was it seventy? Was it? Was it right?
Speaker 4: Why not?
Speaker 2: Right after the summer Alive?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think it was.
Speaker 4: It was while I was at four point, they were
Speaker 4: experimenting with with the frequencies, and somewhere in that transition
Speaker 4: they went to four forty. But listening to her music,
Speaker 4: this is Odra Fossano and she is a one of
Speaker 4: the most highly victimized Epstein survivors, and her music is spectacular.
Speaker 4: She just put out a new album and it's all
Speaker 4: in four thirty two, and it was like it it
Speaker 4: washed my mind. It's like it shut out all the noise,
Speaker 4: you know. Well, I don't know if everybody here, it's
Speaker 4: like my mind is like I'm always hearing, like all
Speaker 4: the radios are on, you know, and and I listened
Speaker 4: to her music and it just.
Speaker 3: Calmed me down.
Speaker 1: Last time you were both on, I believe I asked
Speaker 1: you both about the recruiting process for these programs, and
Speaker 1: doctor Juliet, I know you came from an intelligence family,
Speaker 1: and this is often the case. They recruit from within.
Speaker 1: They can groom and create powerful people from within by
Speaker 1: essentially torturing them and turning most of them into psychopaths
Speaker 1: or whatever kind of person that they're trying to create
Speaker 1: through these programs. But would you say that the Gate
Speaker 1: program is also a way for them to recruit and
Speaker 1: has been for a while.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4: It was taking part of the plan to take over
Speaker 4: education was to recruit through identifying all of the gifted
Speaker 4: and talented children and then mind control programming them.
Speaker 3: I mean, they almost all of us. In all private and.
Speaker 4: Public schools, children are selected for the Gate program. And
Speaker 4: the Gate program starts every time with them drinking drugs.
Speaker 4: So they're given the notorious phizzy pink drink. Nobody knows
Speaker 4: what's in it. From my experience, it's probably LSD derivatives
Speaker 4: and other various memory canceling drugs because the people who
Speaker 4: go through the program have no recollection of what was
Speaker 4: done to them but that it was horrific, it was awful,
Speaker 4: and yeah, so there it is. It's all throughout our
Speaker 4: public education. And this is in the nineteen fifties when
Speaker 4: they were talking about all this. They hated it that
Speaker 4: they couldn't get into the schools, and now they're in
Speaker 4: the schools.
Speaker 1: Anything to add kathy about the recruiting mechanisms for these programs.
Speaker 2: Well, the education system, since we're talking about that, was
Speaker 2: definitely infiltrated in Michigan. That's where I was thrust into
Speaker 2: the project, and then traffic to the Epstein Island of
Speaker 2: its time, Mackinaw Island, Michigan, where they talked about how
Speaker 2: they were going to infiltrate the school system. In later years,
Speaker 2: in the nineteen eighties, I worked under Education Secretaries Bill
Speaker 2: Bennett and Lamar Alexander who were putting in the Global
Speaker 2: Education program into the school system. They took writing by
Speaker 2: hand out of the schools because using a pen activates
Speaker 2: the logic critical analysis part of the brain. Writing on
Speaker 2: paper is a way of processing memory and processing information,
Speaker 2: which is why journaling is so healing for survivors of trauma.
Speaker 2: But it's also a great way to critically analyze information
Speaker 2: when you're in the school system. And they didn't want
Speaker 2: that critical analysis. They didn't want children researching and thinking.
Speaker 2: They wanted them to follow what they were told. They
Speaker 2: wanted to program them with a knowledge base rather than
Speaker 2: have them discover it, so they put computers into the
Speaker 2: school system instead. Typing on a keyboard does not activate
Speaker 2: the same logic critical analysis part of the brain that
Speaker 2: moving appen does. So not only did they get the
Speaker 2: computers in there, but they were also able to use
Speaker 2: the harmonics and alter the information in the computers. So
Speaker 2: they just completely rewrote history to promote the global agenda,
Speaker 2: to make people think that that was acceptable to go
Speaker 2: there with their agenda, rather than protecting our personal and
Speaker 2: national sovereignty. So it was just very much set up
Speaker 2: in the school system all along. Michigan was a prototype
Speaker 2: of leading up to it. We were number one in
Speaker 2: the nation because as they had already found a way
Speaker 2: to program the children and they were just simply memorizing,
Speaker 2: not really learning anything. Like my daughter Kelly so brilliantly said,
Speaker 2: programmed information is not applicable knowledge, and we all need
Speaker 2: to have that applicable knowledge. We can stop the indoctrination
Speaker 2: of our children by getting writing by hand back in
Speaker 2: the school system. You know, so parents just go to
Speaker 2: your schools and get writing by hand back in. That's
Speaker 2: very important for activating how to think, rather than allowing
Speaker 2: for our children to be indoctrinated what to think.
Speaker 1: It seems like these programs were a big part of
Speaker 1: forming the systems that were subjected to today. Liked our
Speaker 1: education system, but also big forma. They seem to have
Speaker 1: been experimenting on people so that they could develop our
Speaker 1: modern pharmaceuticals to use for mass mind control purposes. And
Speaker 1: I think all the experience menation done during the m
Speaker 1: k ultra era is now being implemented on the masses
Speaker 1: right now through the technology and through the pharmaceuticals.
Speaker 2: Roseanne shaking her hat here, what do you know?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's all. It all works to dumb
Speaker 5: down and numb the process of thinking and especially memory.
Speaker 3: They don't like.
Speaker 5: They don't like genetic memory, they don't like tribal memory.
Speaker 5: They don't like woman's memory. They really hate that one.
Speaker 5: But they hate memory because it's part of thinking. So
Speaker 5: it's to dumb everything down, it is.
Speaker 2: And I think the children have been dumbed down with
Speaker 2: prozac and who knows what else they're giving them these
Speaker 2: days because they said they had attention deficit disorder. Children
Speaker 2: are curious, They want to know truth, they recognize truth pure.
Speaker 2: They want to learn how to think, and they're so
Speaker 2: bored being doctrinated with lies that they aren't they don't have.
Speaker 5: Any attentions span like why should I pay attentions?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I know it's not real or true. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: they drug them instead. So big Pharma, we got to
Speaker 2: get big Pharma out of.
Speaker 1: The picture, doctor Juliet. Anything to add about our modern
Speaker 1: pharmaceuticals and how it relates to what they were doing
Speaker 1: with the programs.
Speaker 4: Well, the man who the first director of mk elter
Speaker 4: was Sydney Gottlieb. Sidney Gottlieb was the head of technical
Speaker 4: services for the OSS and known as the head poisoner
Speaker 4: of the CIA and his search his research was all
Speaker 4: on bioweapons development and using LSD to develop mind control.
Speaker 4: So he was a farm considered a pharmaceutical bioweapon genius,
Speaker 4: and he was brought in to the program, and uh
Speaker 4: we we got the results they were able to import.
Speaker 4: LSD was donated to the to the program by Eli
Speaker 4: Lilly Company, by the ton because they wanted to develop
Speaker 4: drugs that could be taken by the entire population to
Speaker 4: numb all of us down. And they did that because
Speaker 4: that's what Prozac is, and the other derivatives of the
Speaker 4: LSD from the LSD family, So you've got their their
Speaker 4: dream would be to have all children on.
Speaker 3: Prozac derivatives.
Speaker 4: So and then and then you combine this with the
Speaker 4: other thing they had going was they brought in the
Speaker 4: cyber the cybernetics specialists because they saw pharmaceutical on one
Speaker 4: side and computer technology on the other, and the human
Speaker 4: mind in the middle. And uh so the the ultimate
Speaker 4: manifestation of that is AI.
Speaker 3: Which is the ultimate. Its stupid.
Speaker 4: It's like a great big third that we're all supposed
Speaker 4: to worship.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: And and and people are like consulting Groc like it's oh,
Speaker 4: my god, Groc said this, my God, that uncovered the
Speaker 4: secret of life itself. No, it's just a pile of
Speaker 4: what some intern in Amherst put in somewhere, you know,
Speaker 4: after a drunken party.
Speaker 3: It's worthless. It's worthless.
Speaker 4: What is worth everything is our connection to the divine
Speaker 4: and and our ability to process the information. You know,
Speaker 4: use our own minds, use our own spirits, evaluate the
Speaker 4: world around us without all the noise. So we got
Speaker 4: to get rid of the four forty noise and align
Speaker 4: ourselves with I think the divine frequency, which is four
Speaker 4: thirty two.
Speaker 1: For most people these days. You can bring up the drug,
Speaker 1: you can bring up the torture, the technology that may
Speaker 1: have been used. But when you start mentioning the occult
Speaker 1: or satanism, people start to check out. They don't believe
Speaker 1: that at higher levels, these people are really dabbling in
Speaker 1: the occult and utilizing it for these programs. Not only that,
Speaker 1: but our most wealthy and powerful people in the world
Speaker 1: are involved with these dark occult practices. That's a tough
Speaker 1: one for people to wrap their minds around, but it
Speaker 1: was very much a part of these programs, right.
Speaker 2: I think it's an important understanding of mk ultra that
Speaker 2: trauma is the basis of mind control, and it had
Speaker 2: been found in Hitler Himmler research. There's no trauma more
Speaker 2: horrific on the human mind than sexual abuse of a
Speaker 2: child prior to age five. Well, the brain is still forming,
Speaker 2: it shuts down neuron pathways and it keeps them shut
Speaker 2: down through for a lifetime, making them compliant without our
Speaker 2: brains firing properly, were compliant. So ultimately that's that's the intent.
Speaker 2: It's to shut those down. And they found the second
Speaker 2: most powerful thing was satanic ritual abuse because blood trauma
Speaker 2: is so horrific on the human mind and it shuts
Speaker 2: it down, So it was used as a mind control mechanism,
Speaker 2: not only on individuals, but on the whole global population.
Speaker 2: We saw so much satanic blood trauma twenty twenty while
Speaker 2: we were glued to our TVs, masked up, limiting oxygen
Speaker 2: to our brain necessary for critical analysis, free thought.
Speaker 5: Kind The kids and watching that, yeah what kids in
Speaker 5: school especially, Yeah, the masks.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was so horrific on people. And then
Speaker 2: they saw that blood trauma. Well, it's used as a
Speaker 2: trauma based for mind control. It's like my primary mk
Speaker 2: ultra mind control pro grammar was Lieutenant Colonel Michael o'quina,
Speaker 2: the founder of the Occult templeus that on military basis.
Speaker 2: He wrote the the book mind Wars, which is how
Speaker 2: to use blood trauma and trauma to traumatize the nation
Speaker 2: and for psychological warfare operations. But he was so high
Speaker 2: up in MK ultra that he was. He could be
Speaker 2: at any NASA, DARPA, or military facility, he could be
Speaker 2: in the White House, any place he needed to be
Speaker 2: in order to perpetuate MK ultra, and he wouldn't didn't
Speaker 2: worship Satan per se. He worshiped the power, you know,
Speaker 2: of of the control that it gave him over people
Speaker 2: to utilize that that trauma base. So he used both
Speaker 2: the pedophilia and the Satanic theme, and he also threw
Speaker 2: an alien the too, because anything that makes us feel
Speaker 2: like something's beyond our realm, to a fact, makes us
Speaker 2: more vulnerable to being easily laden, manipulated. So it's not
Speaker 2: as much that of a worshiping the Satanic as it
Speaker 2: is worshiping the control it gives them over other people.
Speaker 2: And yet, you know, how do we define evil? Evil
Speaker 2: is evil as evil and that is the ultimate.
Speaker 4: And this this is a point where Kathy and my
Speaker 4: programming run right together, because from nineteen sixty one to
Speaker 4: nineteen sixty six, I was twelve to seventeen, I was
Speaker 4: at the Presidio in the mk Altar program at Fort Point,
Speaker 4: which is the northern point of the presidio and it's
Speaker 4: the point that runs under the Golden Gate Bridge.
Speaker 3: I was there with.
Speaker 4: Michael Akino, who's one year older than me, and he
Speaker 4: was there as a frightened, skinny, constantly traumatized child, and
Speaker 4: he was picked on by Anton Levy and by the
Speaker 4: other Satanists. And of course they weren't, as Kathy says,
Speaker 4: they weren't really Satanists.
Speaker 3: They just saw this as control.
Speaker 4: So we were all involved in like time travel and
Speaker 4: interdimensional travel and writing the Satanic Bible and coming up
Speaker 4: with drug induced visions and then writing them on parchment, and.
Speaker 3: So this all exists.
Speaker 4: There is a Bible of Satan, but it was created
Speaker 4: at four point. Michael Aquino became an absolute monster, but
Speaker 4: when I knew him, he was still this scared, skinny teenager.
Speaker 3: Charles Manson was there.
Speaker 4: He was about fifteen years older than me, more than
Speaker 4: ten years older than me, but he was he was
Speaker 4: at that time.
Speaker 3: He was like the nerd.
Speaker 4: He would set up all the gear, transfer everybody, manage transportation,
Speaker 4: drive us round to the Laurel Canyon, sex parties, and
Speaker 4: and and so I knew these people before they were
Speaker 4: fully mind controlled. And when I knew Michael Kino, he
Speaker 4: was more afraid of me than I was of him.
Speaker 4: And and then he he when I left at the
Speaker 4: age of seventeen, he would have been eighteen, and then
Speaker 4: he went on and became just a monster.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he was being groomed himself at the same
Speaker 1: time that you were. And you mentioned Anton Levy. What
Speaker 1: was his involvement with these programs? Was he higher levels?
Speaker 3: He's just older.
Speaker 5: He was.
Speaker 4: When I first met him, he was Tony Levy or
Speaker 4: something like that, and then he went on to become
Speaker 4: Anton Leavey.
Speaker 3: But he he he.
Speaker 4: Was again they were. He was just older. He was
Speaker 4: further along in the program then we were. We were
Speaker 4: the young ones, myself, Michael Kino, and others in that group,
Speaker 4: and we were being used by the older ones and
Speaker 4: the older ones were being used by the senior ones.
Speaker 3: So we were all in that hierarchy.
Speaker 2: Wasn't Phil Spector there?
Speaker 3: Absolutely? Phil Spector was there. He was very close to
Speaker 3: Charles mint and and wow.
Speaker 4: Then they would drive my Phil's Charlie Manson would put
Speaker 4: it all the teenage girls in a van drive us
Speaker 4: to these these parties where are and we were given costumes.
Speaker 4: I've actually seen myself in some videos of these parties
Speaker 4: where they dressed us up. I had to wear a
Speaker 4: tall hat and practically nothing underneath. And our job was
Speaker 4: to dance at crazy, get everybody high on LSD, get
Speaker 4: them all naked on the ground, get them photographed, and
Speaker 4: then Phil Spector would come around and sign them up
Speaker 4: for record contracts.
Speaker 2: And didn't he do the harmonics and stuff that Charles
Speaker 2: Manson was talking about saying it's in the music, man,
Speaker 2: it's in the music, because they were using the break quintcies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what point was all about. Actually, I didn't
Speaker 4: explain that very well. The reason I was there was
Speaker 4: it was harmonics research. I was a music protege and
Speaker 4: a pianist and they were grooming me as a performer.
Speaker 4: And I was approaching the point where, at seventeen years old,
Speaker 4: I was either going to go full on MK ultra
Speaker 4: and do the whole performance thing in four forty because
Speaker 4: they were switching the music frequencies, or I was out
Speaker 4: and I was on my own, out cold, no music,
Speaker 4: no help, no money, no food, no family, no nothing.
Speaker 4: And I took that so I went that way. The
Speaker 4: rest of them went the other way. So you could
Speaker 4: take Michael and me and I chose one life, and
Speaker 4: I wasn't running the army, and he chose he chose
Speaker 4: the other. It's because he was terrified by them. Just
Speaker 4: I don't think he had the courage to break away.
Speaker 1: Now this is for both of you to answer. Earlier,
Speaker 1: you mentioned the deprogramming doctor Juliet, and I've heard from
Speaker 1: several victims that part of the initial programming process is
Speaker 1: to ensure that if a person is to ever start
Speaker 1: to become aware and start to deprogram themselves, that their
Speaker 1: life will be extremely difficult, maybe even suicide triggers or
Speaker 1: triggers to turn to drugs or something that would harm them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that in fact, the program is designed to protect itself.
Speaker 4: There are programs guarding programs. And even now, the first
Speaker 4: thing I ran into when I start like opening up
Speaker 4: a major avenue to remember is starting to hear my
Speaker 4: father's voice telling me, oh, got You're worthless, waste of space, what.
Speaker 3: You know, why are you bothering? Don't get up in
Speaker 3: the morning and just die, you know. Uh?
Speaker 4: But and now I'm so tired of it.
Speaker 3: It's like I just got shut up.
Speaker 6: But it's it's it does cause like you saw Isaac Cappy,
Speaker 6: that that young man that came forward and was just
Speaker 6: spilling his guts with information and then jumped off a
Speaker 6: bridge and.
Speaker 3: Nobody understood why.
Speaker 4: And it's because he just and he he flooded himself
Speaker 4: with memories in an unfiltered way. He should have, you know,
Speaker 4: followed Kathy's advice and instead of like letting it all
Speaker 4: come out of his mouth, start writing it down or
Speaker 4: how I visualize it as pulling it like a piece
Speaker 4: of thread, you know, like through a needle, so that
Speaker 4: it's not this wall of of approbation that comes at
Speaker 4: you that deliberately in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the programming is extensive on the level I was
Speaker 2: used on the White House Pentagon level. In my particular programming,
Speaker 2: there were death programs put in place to replace what
Speaker 2: spies used to take the old cyanide pill. You know.
Speaker 2: It was to so that you would die with the
Speaker 2: knowledge before you could talk about it. And all that
Speaker 2: can be written out on paper. And you know, when
Speaker 2: you deprogram the program first and instead of writing out
Speaker 2: what the programming, what you did, you know, write out
Speaker 2: how you came to do that what was the program?
Speaker 2: What did they say? And when you find that out,
Speaker 2: you can you realize, oh, they're they're saying that I'm
Speaker 2: going to die if I do this, or you know.
Speaker 2: So you write all that out and it diffuses it
Speaker 2: because it opens the neuron pathways in the brain. When
Speaker 2: you write out memory, it shifts the emotionally incomprehensible over
Speaker 2: to logic, where it's written out on paper consciously seeing
Speaker 2: healing happens psychiatrically, psychologically, emotionally, spiritually, everything all at once.
Speaker 2: And because those neuron pathways in the brain are open,
Speaker 2: they can no longer be triggered. It's the triggers are free.
Speaker 2: And it's much like knowing a magic trick. When you
Speaker 2: know how it's done, then the spell is broken, you know.
Speaker 2: So it's a matter of consciously realizing it. And it's
Speaker 2: important to write it out first. And that's why I
Speaker 2: encourage all survivors to write out their memory before speaking,
Speaker 2: because it's so important to make sure you don't end
Speaker 2: up tripping over one of those one of those one
Speaker 2: of those kind of of programs you knew about those
Speaker 2: two implanted programs implanted, Yeah, do you have any anything
Speaker 2: to add to that, I'm not just taking it in there. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I've been here both of you because I'm thinking about
Speaker 2: this is pretty bringing historic to hear this, to hear
Speaker 2: to hear both of you speak and know that you
Speaker 2: both survived and that you both had a level of
Speaker 2: healing that grew your consciousness, which is the greatest f
Speaker 2: you to them. They wanted to shrink your consciousness, but
Speaker 2: you all learned how to escape that matrix and grow it.
Speaker 2: And happy day, well Mark taught us, he talked. I mean,
Speaker 2: all three of us have been influenced by Mark in
Speaker 2: that regard and helped us to all overcome that kind
Speaker 2: of programming. And it was Mark's brilliance that's got that
Speaker 2: information out to begin with. And he couldn't release that
Speaker 2: information because he was so high in intelligence and bound
Speaker 2: by laws of sedition. But I released it in PTSD
Speaker 2: Time to Heal. And you'll notice on the back of
Speaker 2: PTSD Time to Heal, Right, there is Roseanne Barr, you know,
Speaker 2: because of the magnitude of what she was exposed to
Speaker 2: and healed from too. So you know, ultimately it goes
Speaker 2: back to the reverberating effects of what Mark taught us
Speaker 2: and how fortunate we all are that Mark was able
Speaker 2: to make that difference for not only all of us,
Speaker 2: but humanity as a whole. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Now, for those that aren't familiar, could you tell us
Speaker 1: a little bit more about who Mark was to you?
Speaker 2: Mark rescued my daughter and me right out of the
Speaker 2: Washington d C. Swamp in nineteen eighty eight. Mark was
Speaker 2: working the highest levels of intelligence mind sciences. He was
Speaker 2: a spooky wore every hat, CIA, FBI, and SA Secret
Speaker 2: Service so he could be wherever he needed to be
Speaker 2: to be in and he was in those key places
Speaker 2: to do whatever his work was. And when he saw
Speaker 2: little children being taken in and out of the White House,
Speaker 2: when he saw MK ultra affecting society the magnitude that
Speaker 2: it was blackmail operations, undermining our justice system and compromising
Speaker 2: judges all the way up past the Supreme all the
Speaker 2: way up to the Supreme Court, he was determined to
Speaker 2: do something. And how fortunate for Kelly and me that
Speaker 2: he rescued us right out of the Washington d C.
Speaker 2: Swamp and handed us keys to our mind. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was quite a journey. Mark and I eventually fell
Speaker 2: in love and we had the most amazing relationship for
Speaker 2: over thirty years, and that love lives on. Mark passed
Speaker 2: away in twenty seventeen and the whole world lost a hero,
Speaker 2: but all that he shared, his legacy definitely lives on.
Speaker 1: Definitely on, Doctor Juliet. I want to go back to
Speaker 1: something you mentioned earlier, time travel. I'm sure most people
Speaker 1: have a certain view of time travel that isn't exactly
Speaker 1: what you're alluding to, what you experience. Could you tell
Speaker 1: us a little bit about what you were experiencing as
Speaker 1: time travel, what they were putting you through?
Speaker 4: Well, I can, uh, I can tell you, yeah, I
Speaker 4: can relate it in my experience and with the caveat
Speaker 4: that it involved drugs all the time, so.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 4: And and Joan Biez wrote a song called play Me Backwards,
Speaker 4: and that song describes every session I ever had in
Speaker 4: the MK ultra.
Speaker 3: Ritualistic world.
Speaker 4: And the word start with the night begins with a
Speaker 4: pop of skin and a sudden rush of stars. Now
Speaker 4: on the on the internet and in grock, they've changed words.
Speaker 4: They've changed it to a sudden rush of scarlet or something.
Speaker 4: But it was stars, and it was then a little
Speaker 4: boy playing with a goat's head and a little girl
Speaker 4: doing something. But I mean she's describing a ritual that
Speaker 4: preceded the children going out on a beach like we
Speaker 4: did in Tijuana at the Autonomous University of Mexico. That
Speaker 4: beach was one of the they called them the slices,
Speaker 4: where time is putting up against like a fault line
Speaker 4: in the time space continuum, and it moves and you
Speaker 4: can ride it and you can go into different dimensions
Speaker 4: different times. The adults were afraid to do it because
Speaker 4: it was dangerous and a lot of people died in
Speaker 4: doing this because it involved sending your energetic and spiritual
Speaker 4: body out of your physical body, and if you couldn't
Speaker 4: get back completely, you died, and a lot of children
Speaker 4: did die.
Speaker 3: So they were using us for that, And and.
Speaker 4: So that that happened when I was a small child
Speaker 4: on the beach of Mexico and they would take us
Speaker 4: down there and they would have us time travel and
Speaker 4: commune with with the other alienities and bring backstories.
Speaker 5: And but was that because of drugs that that was happening.
Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 4: I say, that's why I don't take it so seriously.
Speaker 4: It felt real, But I was also performing because they
Speaker 4: didn't feed us, And and then what would happen is
Speaker 4: it would get dark. They'd start at bonfire and all
Speaker 4: the adults would be cooking hamburgers and eating hot dogs
Speaker 4: and would be smelling this food. And you want to
Speaker 4: control children, you starve them. And that's what they were doing.
Speaker 4: And I would have done anything for some food. So
Speaker 4: for me, you know, I had no control over the drugs,
Speaker 4: but I knew how to put on a good show
Speaker 4: and ride the slice and bring back whatever they wanted. Now,
Speaker 4: kids did die, so were they dying of starvation? Drug
Speaker 4: overdoses are actually not getting back. I do believe that
Speaker 4: there are places. And Fort Point is another one. That's
Speaker 4: where the Fort Point points north northwest a little bit,
Speaker 4: and it's where you have ocean on one side, you
Speaker 4: have the salt water, you have the brackish water of
Speaker 4: the San Francisco Bay, and when the tide shift, this
Speaker 4: massive wall of water goes creening past the point of
Speaker 4: Fort Point with this massive discharge of energy and ions.
Speaker 4: And then they there's the slice. So they would have
Speaker 4: this jumping spice slice and in that case bringing back
Speaker 4: lore and stories and and uh alien adventures to write.
Speaker 4: I mean they had us writing this on skin and
Speaker 4: it was was then used in the Satanic.
Speaker 3: Bible again, all full of drugs.
Speaker 4: And and and and like Charles Manson loved the drugs.
Speaker 4: If you didn't want to take your drugs, you could
Speaker 4: give them to him and and.
Speaker 3: I did I.
Speaker 4: But still you know when they give you shots as
Speaker 4: you could do. So how how my belief in that is,
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: My my experience in time travel was was vastly different
Speaker 2: in that so much my programming was like dark DARPA
Speaker 2: generated and what they're capable of, and and the kind
Speaker 2: of things that I heard discussed about time travel, like
Speaker 2: George Bush talking about how aliens are us in the future.
Speaker 2: You know that it's about time travel and all this
Speaker 2: kind of stuff raises a lot of questions. But in
Speaker 2: my personal experience, I had this time travel where I
Speaker 2: was going way back into primitive time. And since I
Speaker 2: deprogrammed the program first, I heard what they were telling
Speaker 2: me what I was experiencing traveling through time. And because
Speaker 2: I was able to deprogram the program first, I got
Speaker 2: to the reality of being in Haiti. I was actually
Speaker 2: used in Haitian operations in the eighties where they were
Speaker 2: eliminating the Blacks. Yes, Juliet, like what you were saying
Speaker 2: with the vaccine, with the AIDS vaccine, and they started
Speaker 2: there in Haiti. And since I was carrying out that
Speaker 2: particular operation under MK ultra mind control, the primitiveness of
Speaker 2: Haiti back in those days was just like going back
Speaker 2: in time. And I would have believed I had been
Speaker 2: back in time if I hadn't deprogrammed the program first.
Speaker 2: But because I did the other way, I was able
Speaker 2: to get to the reality of it and see the
Speaker 2: Clinton's involvement and the child sex trafficking, the human trafficking,
Speaker 2: the human harvesting that was going on, the annihilation of
Speaker 2: the population through mass genocide with the AIDS virus that
Speaker 2: was supposed to have spread, you know, much further than
Speaker 2: it did, but they still you know, AIDS was still
Speaker 2: absolutely horrific. But that all that was buried behind this
Speaker 2: concept of time travel that definitely felt like it looked
Speaker 2: like it everything else except for having deprogrammed the program
Speaker 2: and heard the words I was being told. It's like,
Speaker 2: if I was really traveling through time, why do they
Speaker 2: have to tell me?
Speaker 1: This is for both of you as well. Do you
Speaker 1: think these programs are still in operation in some capacity.
Speaker 1: It seems like with the level of technology we have,
Speaker 1: it would be much easier to gain access to young
Speaker 1: minds and program them even remotely.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, it's going on. It has exponentially increased over time.
Speaker 4: I mean when I started, there were it was this
Speaker 4: very limited number because it was just the CIA kids,
Speaker 4: and then kids they started bringing in from Mexico who
Speaker 4: were in the program, so there were a dozen sites
Speaker 4: carrying this out. But by the time they got to
Speaker 4: the first congressional hearings in nineteen seventy six, which was
Speaker 4: the first time they actually looked at this for the public,
Speaker 4: they admitted to having eighty institutions across the United States,
Speaker 4: involved United States and Canada, and one hundred and fifty
Speaker 4: programs with an unknown number of sub programs, no oversight,
Speaker 4: no budgetary restrictions, no results that they could speak to.
Speaker 4: And then they claim that in nineteen seventy six they
Speaker 4: destroyed all the records.
Speaker 3: No, they didn't.
Speaker 4: In nineteen seventy eight, that was the Senior Executive Service
Speaker 4: pops up about it right where, Yeah, and suddenly you've
Speaker 4: got about thousands of people who I believe are the surviving,
Speaker 4: most most MK Ultra victims didn't survive, but the ones
Speaker 4: that survived that were in the in the group like
Speaker 4: Kathy and me, that actually they got their souls. They
Speaker 4: went into the Senior Executive Service and then they're distributed
Speaker 4: throughout governments, corporations. They used to brag on their website
Speaker 4: before they took it down, but you can find it
Speaker 4: that they ran seventy six government agencies.
Speaker 3: They are the deep.
Speaker 2: State, Yeah they.
Speaker 4: Are, and they came through MK and they are mind controlled.
Speaker 4: And that's why we're getting such crazy, bizarre, awful moralless.
Speaker 4: That's why you say the country's run by satanic pedophiles.
Speaker 3: Well there they are.
Speaker 5: Yeah that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really, look how technology has advanced since we were
Speaker 2: into and it was already you know, we were already
Speaker 2: part of the frequencies back then, so you know it,
Speaker 2: where what do they have now? The MK Ultra hearings
Speaker 2: that opened on June thirtieth, you know, that was a
Speaker 2: really good basis and a start and open minds worldwide
Speaker 2: to the reality of MK ULTR. But we have a
Speaker 2: long way to go to and explore. Obviously, all those
Speaker 2: records weren't destroyed or Tulsea Gabbard's office wouldn't have been rated.
Speaker 2: On May thirteenth, after the first MK Ultra hearings were
Speaker 2: postponed because of the threats that were going on and
Speaker 2: the fear over these documents that under presidential order had
Speaker 2: been had been ordered to be declassified. The CIA went
Speaker 2: in and confiscated them and the JFK files. There's so
Speaker 2: much more that needs to be own on how many
Speaker 2: levels my testimony still under national security? Why you know,
Speaker 2: it's We've got a long way to go. We have
Speaker 2: a lot of information to uncover, and I'm trusting that
Speaker 2: these MK Ultra hearings are going to give voice to survivors,
Speaker 2: to survivors like you and me, Roseanne, so many others
Speaker 2: that we know of that can bring the information forward,
Speaker 2: including the younger ones that do have the information on
Speaker 2: the technological advancements and what they're capable of today. We
Speaker 2: know that the cellophones are programming kids, video games, programming kids.
Speaker 2: Television has programmed generations. So the technological programming that has
Speaker 2: been going on for generations has highly advanced, and knowledge
Speaker 2: is our defense against all of it, and that knowledge
Speaker 2: has got to come forward.
Speaker 1: It seems like all aspects of our control systems and
Speaker 1: our government and our education and our healthcare have been
Speaker 1: so deeply infiltrated it's rather difficult to navigate through it
Speaker 1: and find anything that is beneficial for humanity or anyone
Speaker 1: that is truly on the side of humanity. So that
Speaker 1: being said, this is for both of you. Again, do
Speaker 1: you think we have hope with these hearings that are
Speaker 1: starting with the information that is coming out. I look
Speaker 1: back at what came out with the Epstein files, and
Speaker 1: it seemed like just a demoralization campaign to spread a
Speaker 1: bunch of horrible information to desynthesize people to the fact
Speaker 1: that these predators rule our world. But I might be
Speaker 1: missing something there, But there's no justice being served, So
Speaker 1: I don't know what to think about that.
Speaker 4: Well, we're not going to get justice from the Senior
Speaker 4: Executive Service there to control everything, damp it down, control them, media,
Speaker 4: keep everybody quiet. Where it's going to come is from
Speaker 4: the energy of the survivors. And there are thousands and
Speaker 4: thousands of survivors who are starting to link up, and
Speaker 4: we're linking up with the Epstein survivors because it's all one,
Speaker 4: it's all the same group of people that perpetrated this
Speaker 4: and and Epstein is just one that there are many Epstein's.
Speaker 4: Let's let's but as long as the public is focused
Speaker 4: and the world is referring.
Speaker 3: Us to the Epps as the Epstein Nation.
Speaker 4: So the pressure is on to to bring this information out.
Speaker 4: But nobody, there's no Oprah Winfrey that's going to stand
Speaker 4: up and make things all better by having us on
Speaker 4: her show.
Speaker 3: That doesn't exist. That's an illusion.
Speaker 5: Well, I think it does exist, and I think that
Speaker 5: that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 2: Is But you know, can I just butt in for
Speaker 2: a minute.
Speaker 5: Everything you just said, what's your name, Sarah, I'm sorry, Ris, Chris.
Speaker 5: Everything you just said and the way you described it
Speaker 5: is kind of part of the whole story we tell ourselves.
Speaker 5: In the story we're being fed everything Epstein. The Epstein
Speaker 5: Island thing is ever. There's everything in it. Every part
Speaker 5: of the whole thing is there, and the information is
Speaker 5: declassified and the information is available. But it's how to
Speaker 5: get people to find it and desire to see it
Speaker 5: that's the problem.
Speaker 2: Nobody gives two craps. I think if we shared all
Speaker 2: the information at once, it would be like drinking from
Speaker 2: a fire hose too much to dutch us. So it's
Speaker 2: coming out and bits, and I'm very encouraged by it.
Speaker 2: And yet at the same time, I'm acutely aware that
Speaker 2: a judge in a gavel and saying you know that
Speaker 2: you were right, or even an Act of Congress is
Speaker 2: not sufficient to change the magnitude of what needs to
Speaker 2: be unraveled in all of us. I've used to think
Speaker 2: that scattering the CIA and to a thousand pieces was
Speaker 2: the answer, and now we've got so many aspects of
Speaker 2: society on a global scale that have been affected by
Speaker 2: the CIA that they need to be scattered in a
Speaker 2: thousand pieces too. So ultimately, I think that our hope
Speaker 2: is in knowledge. That's our defense against mind control, and
Speaker 2: awareness is the first step towards positive, necessary change, and
Speaker 2: that change has to come from we the people. On
Speaker 2: a global scale. We're in the midst of a mental
Speaker 2: and spiritual evolution, and we're finding that it's up to
Speaker 2: all of us. We can't wait on this system that
Speaker 2: has been so infiltrated and structured wrong from the get
Speaker 2: go to save us. It's not going to government can't
Speaker 2: save us. They're the ones doing it to us. So
Speaker 2: it's up to us to save ourselves, and it begins
Speaker 2: by remembering who we are, why we're here, realigning with
Speaker 2: the divine within, claiming our sole purpose, and start living
Speaker 2: the love that we are, start living life the way
Speaker 2: it's intended to be lived. That is the saving grace
Speaker 2: the humanity. I'm still hoping that we get voice in
Speaker 2: the MK Ultra hearings because it will amplify our voice
Speaker 2: on a global scale where we're heard, and so that
Speaker 2: people too are empowered to know, Oh, if they can heal,
Speaker 2: we can heal. If they can reclaim their free thought
Speaker 2: and take responsibility for their own lives and govern their
Speaker 2: own minds, we certainly can too. So you know, that's
Speaker 2: my hope is in the truth that is absolutely setting
Speaker 2: humanity free, and that this great Awakening will continue to
Speaker 2: accelerate because the shows like this that we're able to
Speaker 2: get the information out on, that's what's making the difference.
Speaker 2: Roseanne's podcast, Roseanne's shows have opened so many minds and eyes,
Speaker 2: and you know, we just need to have more and
Speaker 2: more and more of that, because this Great Awakening has
Speaker 2: past critical mass. We are the majority, and it's absolutely
Speaker 2: inexcusable that we allow this dark, negative energy force, these
Speaker 2: this pedophile, satanic cult to manipulate our brilliant minds and
Speaker 2: lives anymore. We've got the victory within us, and we
Speaker 2: are living proof of that, each one of us.
Speaker 4: Is that.
Speaker 1: I want to.
Speaker 5: Say one thing I just found some wards. When you say, oh,
Speaker 5: at one point these bad people, these pedophile Satanists, whatever
Speaker 5: you're in, we're calling them the the bad guys, let's
Speaker 5: just say the dark forces. Well, they infiltrated and they
Speaker 5: got control of our happy, happy times, our happy world.
Speaker 5: Well that's kind of bullshit, because number one, they have
Speaker 5: always been in control of this world. It wasn't anything
Speaker 5: that just happened where you know that all of a
Speaker 5: sudden we lost our power to them. We never had it,
Speaker 5: and they have been in control of this world for
Speaker 5: thousands and thousands of years. It goes all the way
Speaker 5: back to Babylon, their child sacrifice religions that they still practice.
Speaker 5: And people who say, oh, the Satanic ritual abuse.
Speaker 2: Hello, it's in your.
Speaker 5: Churches too, and your synagogues and your mosque.
Speaker 2: It's all there.
Speaker 3: It's all the same.
Speaker 5: Stuff, and you you haven't even been taught to decipher
Speaker 5: the difference.
Speaker 2: I am always saying that what we're seeing isn't new.
Speaker 2: What's new is that we're finally seeing it. And again,
Speaker 2: awareness is the first step towards that positive, necessary change.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, and I want to I want to add
Speaker 4: that I was heading there. But the fact that we
Speaker 4: were programmed gave us a lot of tools because, as
Speaker 4: Kathy said, we were we were able to see it.
Speaker 3: We were little.
Speaker 4: Kids watching this happen, watching them build the laboratories, watching
Speaker 4: the Nazi scientists start their experimentation. I mean, we were
Speaker 4: smart little kids. They brought in the smartest kids and
Speaker 4: made us watch them do this.
Speaker 3: We've seen them do this.
Speaker 4: They gave us the tools to access the media, to write,
Speaker 4: to be literate, to speak out. They gave me those
Speaker 4: tools which enabled me to go to Russia for twenty
Speaker 4: years and run an underground railroad.
Speaker 3: But that's another story. But it's it's because.
Speaker 4: I was trained by them, and then with my independent mind,
Speaker 4: I have come up with an absolute abhorrence of the
Speaker 4: Satanic practices and the.
Speaker 3: Harming of children. That's gotta subsolutely.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So that's what's that, That's what drags you out
Speaker 5: of their mud hole. The desire, the desire to know,
Speaker 5: the desire to affect it to stop it to be
Speaker 5: you know, because we know we can, We know that
Speaker 5: our kind can, and we will. In fact, we already
Speaker 5: have because I think that things have already flipped. It's
Speaker 5: just going to take some time for people to go, hey,
Speaker 5: it did flip. I wasn't just thinking that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's true. The children all need us all
Speaker 2: to wake up now. It's it's been going on way
Speaker 2: too long. It's up to us. It's up to each
Speaker 2: and every one of us.
Speaker 1: One last few minutes that we have speaking of deprogramming,
Speaker 1: if there's anyone out there that may have been involved
Speaker 1: in these programs or some kind of high level experimentation
Speaker 1: or torture and they are trying to heal from it,
Speaker 1: they don't know where to begin, though. What would you
Speaker 1: recommend to them? How do they start to deprogram themselves.
Speaker 1: We'll start with you, Kathy.
Speaker 2: Well, I've got my healing trilogy that Mark Phillips taught
Speaker 2: me PTSD Time to Heal. He couldn't release that information,
Speaker 2: but I because he was bound by laws of sedition.
Speaker 2: But I could so PTSD Time to Heal. It's not
Speaker 2: about me, it's about us all. It's a birthright information
Speaker 2: to healing from within ourselves, the resiliency of body, mind,
Speaker 2: and Spirit. It's the first book in my healing trilogy.
Speaker 2: My second one, Resolution shows how to access your own
Speaker 2: subconscious mind, and my third one, which is being censored
Speaker 2: as much as my nineteen ninety five testimony for Congress
Speaker 2: Transformation of America, align with the divine and it's about
Speaker 2: how being around animals. Animals still have their senses and
Speaker 2: they can bring us back to our senses and we
Speaker 2: can reground into our nature and the nature of who
Speaker 2: we are. And there's just simple, little little stories that
Speaker 2: have been helping a lot of survivors to remember the
Speaker 2: resiliency that we have and how to access it. So
Speaker 2: I would recommend that they look at those read those
Speaker 2: books and not just read them, but apply them, take them,
Speaker 2: internalize them, start living them, because that's what allows us
Speaker 2: to be the change that we need to be. We
Speaker 2: don't need any more outside input telling us how to think.
Speaker 2: We need to reclaim that free thought from within ourselves,
Speaker 2: and it's within us all to do exactly that. Mark
Speaker 2: Phillips gave us that those tools that he found in
Speaker 2: the highest levels of intelligence, minds, sciences buried under national
Speaker 2: security with held for generations from humanity. We have a
Speaker 2: right to know and a need to know this information,
Speaker 2: and it's available for everyone right now. I've got it
Speaker 2: secured on my website in ebook form too, so that
Speaker 2: anybody who does who can't have a financial path to
Speaker 2: their healing that they're doing within themselves, they can just
Speaker 2: zero out costs, take that ebook and apply that to themselves.
Speaker 2: So it's it's available there with a it's secured with
Speaker 2: a pay what you can, if you can option, because
Speaker 2: most survivors can't afford it anyway. So you know, it's
Speaker 2: not about selling a book. This is about empowering people
Speaker 2: with their birthright to heal from within themselves. We don't
Speaker 2: need therapists, we don't need outside input, we don't need
Speaker 2: any of that nonsense. We need to go within and
Speaker 2: re access this resiliency that we've all been blessed with all.
Speaker 5: And I have given my so many people Kathy's books
Speaker 5: and she and they're just staggered how much they have
Speaker 5: been helped by her, And so I just have to go.
Speaker 5: I got to be her late man, going, yeah, girl,
Speaker 5: tell it's on the back of the book, staggering and amazing,
Speaker 5: And I hope everybody will go read them and help theirselves.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'll have links to those easily accessible for everyone
Speaker 1: in the description Doctor Juliet. Any final thoughts, Well, I I.
Speaker 4: Helped myself with Kathy's books, starting in the late nineties
Speaker 4: with the Transformation of America and then later with PTSD,
Speaker 4: and it really was the only thing out.
Speaker 3: There, but it was so helpful and so right on, and.
Speaker 4: Anybody that's starting to experience the memory recalls should read PTA.
Speaker 4: And then as I healed, I wrote Sparky, which is
Speaker 4: Surviving Sex Magic, which is about my own childhood experience,
Speaker 4: written as a magical thinking child, so you can so
Speaker 4: people kind of understand what it's like as a child
Speaker 4: inside the program because I worked very hard on getting
Speaker 4: back and then how I reinvented myself because I didn't
Speaker 4: have any role models or any outside no outside assistance
Speaker 4: ever accept teachers, but then I moved schools all the time,
Speaker 4: so no adult relationship that that helped me. So I
Speaker 4: created my own and that was Sparky, the tough little
Speaker 4: warrior person that I became. So yeah, it all comes
Speaker 4: from within.
Speaker 3: It's it's uh and and that's UH.
Speaker 4: And you have the survivors, linking up as they as
Speaker 4: they build their strength and their realize how what strong.
Speaker 3: People they are.
Speaker 4: They aren't the defective castaways that we've all been led
Speaker 4: to believe we were.
Speaker 3: We're not.
Speaker 2: No, we're the We're the uh.
Speaker 5: We're the ones that are being foretold and it's good
Speaker 5: we're here. I loved uh listening to you, uh, Julia,
Speaker 5: and I hope we can someday do a panel with
Speaker 5: a whole bunch of people who know a whole bunch
Speaker 5: of stuff and get it out there to people.
Speaker 1: Sure, yes, yeah, men for doctor Juliet, Kathy and Roseanne,
Speaker 1: thank you so much as well. This was essential information.
Speaker 1: I'd love to do this again. Before we close out,
Speaker 1: doctor Juliet and Kathy and Roseanne. Let the audience know
Speaker 1: the best way that they can find out more about
Speaker 1: each of you.
Speaker 4: Well, for me, you can go to Julietengel dot com
Speaker 4: and that's my website. You can buy my books there,
Speaker 4: and there's links to other places. I have a sub
Speaker 4: stack which is also in my name where I'm posting.
Speaker 4: I'm not a I'm not a diligent poster like kathyist.
Speaker 4: But if you go to Julie at Angele dot com.
Speaker 4: You'll find everything you need, all.
Speaker 5: Right, I'm going to go. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Mine is on trance dashformation dot com, t R A
Speaker 2: n c E hyphenformation dot com. All my books are there,
Speaker 2: my podcast, my my my blog posts, my books PTSD.
Speaker 2: Time to heal right there for everybody. Really, everyone all
Speaker 2: around the world needs to reclaim their free thought from
Speaker 2: whatever level of manipulation they've endured, whether it's in a
Speaker 2: school system or through the media or anything else. We
Speaker 2: all need to remember who we are and why we're here.
Speaker 2: So all that information is right there. You can contact
Speaker 2: me through my website. My books are also secured on
Speaker 2: Audible read by.
Speaker 1: Me so.
Speaker 2: So you can check that out. But Trance dash formation.
Speaker 1: Dot com excellent. Roseanne, anything you'd like to plug Well.
Speaker 5: I about a podcast. I think it's called Roseanne Bard
Speaker 5: Podcast on YouTube and in every place where there's podcasts.
Speaker 5: Thank you for having me and all of us on
Speaker 5: your show. It's very interesting.
Speaker 3: Nice to speak with you.
Speaker 1: Yes, great to have all of you. I'd love to
Speaker 1: do it again. And until next time, everyone, have an
Speaker 1: excellent evening. We will talk again tomorrow.
Speaker 3: I'm right then, bye bye.
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