WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.480 --> 00:00:07.120 Hi. This is father John Canaro from Oswego, New York, 2 00:00:07.440 --> 00:00:10.400 and I play in Oswego Country Club. This is Golf 3 00:00:10.439 --> 00:00:12.679 Smarter number nine three. 4 00:00:13.279 --> 00:00:16.039 What did we learn in twenty twenty four that we 5 00:00:16.039 --> 00:00:18.440 can bring to twenty twenty five and take advantage of? 6 00:00:18.839 --> 00:00:23.280 Take advantage of. I think we've learned that the viewership 7 00:00:23.320 --> 00:00:25.640 in the world is kind of tired of hearing about money. 8 00:00:25.800 --> 00:00:28.480 I think we can stop that. I think we can 9 00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:31.559 learn that we can all get along. I think you 10 00:00:31.600 --> 00:00:35.159 sought the PGA Championship that rips Koepka and Bryce and 11 00:00:35.200 --> 00:00:38.079 d Chambeau and these guys can get along with each other. 12 00:00:38.159 --> 00:00:40.679 They're fine, It's going to be okay. And I'm hoping 13 00:00:40.759 --> 00:00:43.679 we learned that maybe this should happen across the board. 14 00:00:43.960 --> 00:00:45.920 I'll tell you right now, if I owned a tour 15 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:49.159 and I could have the opportunity to have the personalities 16 00:00:49.159 --> 00:00:51.000 that play on with play a few of my events, 17 00:00:51.119 --> 00:00:52.880 I'd want them out there. I hope we've learned that. 18 00:00:52.960 --> 00:00:55.159 Maybe from the PGA Championship, we learned that, and we'll 19 00:00:55.200 --> 00:01:00.280 learn it from the Masters. 20 00:01:00.799 --> 00:01:04.120 Pro Golf in the twenty first century, can TGL lead 21 00:01:04.159 --> 00:01:07.719 the way the return of golf Agent Mac Barnhardt. This 22 00:01:08.319 --> 00:01:13.079 is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from great 23 00:01:13.120 --> 00:01:16.159 golf minds to help you lower your score and raise 24 00:01:16.239 --> 00:01:21.000 your golf IQ. There's your host, Fred Green. Welcome back 25 00:01:21.040 --> 00:01:22.560 to the Golf Smarter podcast. Mac. 26 00:01:23.120 --> 00:01:25.280 Thanks Brad. Great to be back, sir. Thank you. 27 00:01:25.840 --> 00:01:28.079 It's great to have you back. I had so much 28 00:01:28.159 --> 00:01:31.480 fun last time and quoted you so many times from 29 00:01:31.519 --> 00:01:34.079 your last episode that I was like, could not wait 30 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:34.879 to get you back on. 31 00:01:34.959 --> 00:01:37.120 Thanks for you. I'm very honored for that. I really 32 00:01:37.120 --> 00:01:37.959 do appreciate it. 33 00:01:39.680 --> 00:01:41.959 So there's so many topics I want to go over 34 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:47.159 but right now, and I don't usually do newsworthy conversation, 35 00:01:47.359 --> 00:01:49.799 but there's a couple of things going on in golf 36 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:54.359 industry right now that are really fascinating. You can see 37 00:01:54.400 --> 00:01:58.799 I'm wearing my Bay Golf Club shirt. I mean, I 38 00:01:58.840 --> 00:02:02.159 saw the first night of TGL, bought the shirt for 39 00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:05.239 the Bay that's my team, right So it's one of 40 00:02:05.239 --> 00:02:07.439 the one of the things you talked about Live Blue 41 00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:11.120 was the fact that they didn't regionalize their teams. And 42 00:02:11.199 --> 00:02:14.360 here TGL comes in and creates not necessarily because these 43 00:02:14.360 --> 00:02:18.159 guys are from there, but they created teams from different 44 00:02:18.159 --> 00:02:20.120 regions so that you can root for that. 45 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:23.319 I've got Atlanta. I've got a Lucas Glover. A climb 46 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:24.840 of mine is only Atlanta Drive. 47 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:29.000 Which he's on Atlanta always. Okay, well, this isn't more 48 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:29.759 of my questions. 49 00:02:29.800 --> 00:02:32.120 Is Atlanta Drive hat right here with the big A 50 00:02:32.360 --> 00:02:38.560 right here on it? Okay? Own, you know it's it's 51 00:02:38.599 --> 00:02:40.560 It's been a lot of fun. I know they've got 52 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:42.639 some technical difficulties that are happening. 53 00:02:43.680 --> 00:02:45.919 And but of course it was the first. I mean, 54 00:02:45.960 --> 00:02:46.879 they've only done it twice. 55 00:02:46.919 --> 00:02:49.719 I've never seen Tiger last so hard. The other night 56 00:02:49.759 --> 00:02:52.039 when Kevin Kiszner boned it out of the bunker into 57 00:02:52.080 --> 00:02:54.319 the flagick, and that's good to see Tiger. 58 00:02:55.159 --> 00:02:58.599 And good to see Tiger being a person instead of 59 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:02.199 right do that and that really exposed that. It was beautiful. 60 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:04.280 And I saw Kevin Kissner, I was done in Palm 61 00:03:04.280 --> 00:03:08.280 Springs for the American Express event. He had flown I 62 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:11.319 guess that night after the thing into and he was 63 00:03:11.319 --> 00:03:13.680 because he's playing and I ran into him and I 64 00:03:13.719 --> 00:03:15.159 looked at him and he was talking about it, and 65 00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:17.800 I said, man, I just love when you guys hit 66 00:03:17.840 --> 00:03:19.479 a shot like that. So that you can prove to 67 00:03:19.759 --> 00:03:21.639 even the best players in the world can do it. 68 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:24.479 And you know, and that was his first trip there. 69 00:03:24.520 --> 00:03:26.680 That people don't realize he did not get a practice session. 70 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:30.240 Lucas has got a couple of practice sessions. But I 71 00:03:30.280 --> 00:03:33.439 had Mike McCarley, who did it, who started that whole 72 00:03:33.479 --> 00:03:37.560 deal of Jeff new Barth with And I mean, I 73 00:03:37.639 --> 00:03:39.599 love it. I love the team part of it. They 74 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:42.360 you know, there was a team chat with Atlanta Drive 75 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:47.360 watching it together, so can't lee, Justin Thomas and Billy Horschell, 76 00:03:48.560 --> 00:03:51.680 all four of them commenting about certain things. And I 77 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:53.560 won't go into the summer because it was really they were. 78 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:55.439 They were having fun with those guys that were hitting 79 00:03:55.439 --> 00:03:58.560 bad shots. And but I go and people think team 80 00:03:58.680 --> 00:04:02.280 doesn't work, And here's four guys that really aren't related 81 00:04:02.319 --> 00:04:06.000 in any way. Justin Thomas, Lucas is the older guy, 82 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:06.840 and they're. 83 00:04:06.719 --> 00:04:08.800 Just other than being on the PGA, they. 84 00:04:08.639 --> 00:04:11.800 Are now on the Atlanta Drive. And I think it's 85 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:14.120 the coolest thing. I have Gear my son, who is 86 00:04:14.199 --> 00:04:21.279 Lucas's Godfather's Lucas god son. You know, he's got he's 87 00:04:21.399 --> 00:04:23.240 ordered swag. And I said, dude, I can get that 88 00:04:23.279 --> 00:04:24.839 for you for free. He goes, No, I just use 89 00:04:24.879 --> 00:04:28.480 your credit card, I said, So yeah, I love it. 90 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:33.879 Yeah yeah, yeah, so yeah, what so two weeks into it, 91 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:37.920 we'll probably publish this on the day of the third 92 00:04:38.199 --> 00:04:42.680 the third episode. Your thoughts about you know, I mean, 93 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:45.639 like technical of course, there's going to be technical issues. 94 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:47.199 There's going to be things that they have to learn 95 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:50.839 as they figure it out. And you know, like like 96 00:04:50.920 --> 00:04:55.639 to me, like when you creating almost a boxing or 97 00:04:55.759 --> 00:04:59.439 wrestling atmosphere, when they walk into the arena, but they're 98 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:02.439 walking it's like, no, dude, get fired up, pump it up. 99 00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:05.079 Let's you know, don't be so cool like I'm a 100 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:08.480 PGA tooy. Just let's fire this crowd up. Because the 101 00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:11.920 crowd is kind of yeah, the crowd is kind of separated, 102 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:14.639 so you don't really get a full sense of loud, 103 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:16.639 you know and emotional. 104 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:18.079 Yeah, you got to kind of look at it like 105 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:20.879 the sixteenth hole in Scott's Downe at the waste Management. 106 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:23.480 You know, they've got that thing surrounded now and it's 107 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:27.120 now so yeah, yeah, that's kind of what it's like 108 00:05:27.199 --> 00:05:30.839 in there. I wish the first match didn't quite have 109 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:35.839 as much banner between the players, and we were talking 110 00:05:35.839 --> 00:05:38.040 about they've got a shot clock, but they really don't 111 00:05:38.040 --> 00:05:41.319 need it. You know, they've got the electronic measures, they 112 00:05:41.360 --> 00:05:44.279 know the numbers, so there's and you know, once they 113 00:05:44.279 --> 00:05:46.160 pick it, then they've got you know, I don't think 114 00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:48.759 the shot clock ever got below like fifteen on anybody. 115 00:05:48.920 --> 00:05:50.279 And and the. 116 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:53.240 Second week, that heartbeat got louder and louder. I saw 117 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:55.399 one of them going down to about two. 118 00:05:55.800 --> 00:06:00.399 Okay, but about the first one and okay, and but yeah, 119 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:03.360 I mean, I think the only technical difficulty that I've seen, 120 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:06.199 and it was there when Lucas did his practice sessions 121 00:06:06.399 --> 00:06:08.279 and I was with him, is the wedges. 122 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:11.759 For some reason, I think Lucas had like one hundred 123 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:14.600 and forty yard shot and he hit it like one 124 00:06:14.759 --> 00:06:18.040 fifty one, and he looked at me like whoa. And 125 00:06:18.079 --> 00:06:19.920 the guy with me, one of the guys, he goes 126 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:23.240 and Lucas says, I hit that one forty one. And 127 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:25.160 the guy goes says, he know that, And I'm like, yeah, 128 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:27.759 he knows that. I go. That's what makes some pros. 129 00:06:27.800 --> 00:06:29.920 Those guys know how far their wedges go. They might 130 00:06:29.959 --> 00:06:31.680 be a little oh yeah, they might be a little 131 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:34.519 off on their four and five hours, but no, inside 132 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:37.000 one thirty forty they can hit it within New York 133 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:39.040 and that's what makes them so great. So when you 134 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:41.519 saw Tiger miss it by twenty yards of the wedge, 135 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:42.959 the Greg when he. 136 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:46.160 Overshot right and he's like, I've never hit that club 137 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:46.439 that far. 138 00:06:47.240 --> 00:06:49.439 So there's something that they've got to figure out there. 139 00:06:49.720 --> 00:06:53.680 But look, you know who cares if they did hit 140 00:06:53.720 --> 00:06:55.600 that by the shot? You know what, It's just this 141 00:06:55.639 --> 00:06:58.439 is an entertainment product. This is not the Masters, it's 142 00:06:58.480 --> 00:07:01.759 not the US Open and the Open Chainampionship. It's entertainment. 143 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:04.160 It's a time for people to see these guys in 144 00:07:04.199 --> 00:07:06.639 a little different light. See I'm a little more you know, 145 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:09.240 Like I said, I if one of them walked out 146 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:10.720 with a beer and just stuck it on the ground 147 00:07:10.759 --> 00:07:13.480 like we would, you know, if you people played I said, 148 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:15.040 nothing wrong with that. I'm not trying to tell people 149 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:16.120 to drink and play god, but they do. 150 00:07:16.360 --> 00:07:19.439 Oh wouldn't that be hilarious if they had a beverage 151 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:22.480 cart pull up the girl. Yeah, I'm not going to 152 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:25.120 say that. I'm going to say a beverage cart. I'm 153 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:27.040 not going to say it's a card girl. But if 154 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:29.439 they had somebody pull up when they're when he's about 155 00:07:29.439 --> 00:07:32.040 to tee off, somebody pulls up with drinks. 156 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:36.839 Okay, let's just be honest. I mean, well, you know, 157 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:41.920 but yeah, I love it. I've been down there. I've 158 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:43.920 got and I get to see it inside, you know, 159 00:07:43.959 --> 00:07:45.600 inside the roads there. And so I went down with 160 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:48.000 Lucas and it was just it's a blast. And mister 161 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:51.160 Arthur Blank who owns the Atlanta Drive and has put 162 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:53.079 so much behind it, and he's such a great guy, 163 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:56.000 you know, a big goth enthusiast, and and and I 164 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:58.160 think that's what this is about. And I think, you know, 165 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:01.160 younger kids will really dig this. I think there's some 166 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:04.000 guys at my club at home Frederica Golf Club that 167 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:06.240 you know, a little older, that you know, is kind 168 00:08:06.240 --> 00:08:08.720 of poopoing it a little bit. But I mean, you. 169 00:08:08.680 --> 00:08:10.800 Know, that's not for them. And that's not who it's 170 00:08:10.879 --> 00:08:11.439 the Nines for. 171 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:13.959 It's not who it's So I'm excited about it. 172 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:19.240 So does each team have a different owner something that 173 00:08:19.360 --> 00:08:24.079 someone that's not associated with and who determines who's going 174 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:24.720 to be on the team. 175 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:27.399 Is an invitational or yeah, they draft them. 176 00:08:27.519 --> 00:08:30.920 Yeah, so Lucas getting on a team is phenomenal. I 177 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:32.840 yea great exposure too. 178 00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:36.039 I mean, everybody there's if he's not the most likely 179 00:08:36.080 --> 00:08:37.720 player on tour, he's got to be close to it. 180 00:08:38.120 --> 00:08:41.679 He's one of the most authentic and very intelligent guys. 181 00:08:42.120 --> 00:08:44.039 Probably one of the best ball structors that ever played 182 00:08:44.039 --> 00:08:47.720 the game, you know, considering the average career on tours 183 00:08:47.720 --> 00:08:49.720 two point seven years and he's been out here twenty 184 00:08:49.759 --> 00:08:52.600 one years. Speaks volumes, and he went through quite a 185 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:55.159 time where he couldn't make it from two feet at times. 186 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:57.879 That shows you how a good ball striker is and 187 00:08:57.919 --> 00:09:01.679 a competitor and a hard worker. But yeah, it's been 188 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:04.480 a lot of fun. And you know, I don't I 189 00:09:04.519 --> 00:09:07.320 know Billy Horsa really well. I know justin Thomas a little. 190 00:09:07.399 --> 00:09:09.960 I barely know Patrick can't leave. They're but they're all 191 00:09:10.000 --> 00:09:13.440 four very different people. But it's fun. It will be 192 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:16.120 fun to see them mailed into a team, and I 193 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:17.960 think they'll all learn something from each other. 194 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:20.840 So you have four people on a team but only 195 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:22.840 three are playing. Is that just because someone's gonna go 196 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:23.799 at my schedule is not. 197 00:09:23.799 --> 00:09:27.840 Gonna work this correct? Yeah, Lucas Lucas is not going 198 00:09:27.919 --> 00:09:30.039 to play the first match on the twenty first, but 199 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:33.600 he will play the doubleheader on February seventeen, so he's 200 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:37.120 out and you know, and again that's double header. Yeah, 201 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:39.360 there's he's going to play the two matches. It's a 202 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:42.399 double header coming up from the seventeen, I hope. But well, wow, 203 00:09:42.519 --> 00:09:45.120 people tell them, yeah, yeah, he's playing two matches on 204 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:49.120 the seventeen. Oh wow, yeah, okay, But he loves it. 205 00:09:49.480 --> 00:09:51.600 I mean, the fun thing about him is he lives 206 00:09:51.639 --> 00:09:54.720 right there, so he'll just go down now and easy. 207 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:56.919 And I tell people all the time, I said, if 208 00:09:56.919 --> 00:09:59.159 you're wealthy, or if you have a company and you 209 00:09:59.279 --> 00:10:02.039 wanted to have some fun, how about renting that place 210 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:05.279 out for instead of instead of having a pro am 211 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:08.440 or a outing at a golf course, how about renting 212 00:10:08.480 --> 00:10:10.960 that thing out at night and maybe even hiring some 213 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:13.039 of these players to come play with you. And I mean, 214 00:10:14.120 --> 00:10:15.919 I think, you know, I think, as I said to 215 00:10:15.960 --> 00:10:19.000 my Jeff Newbarf, who's on the producer or whatever it is, 216 00:10:19.039 --> 00:10:20.960 I said, I think there's going to be a huge 217 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:24.000 demand for people wanting to rent this thing out. I mean, 218 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:26.759 it is. It's also I know I couldn't afford it, 219 00:10:26.799 --> 00:10:29.000 but but it's a it's pretty cool. I was hoping 220 00:10:29.039 --> 00:10:32.039 they give a little just be corporated. Yeah yeah, yeah, 221 00:10:32.039 --> 00:10:33.480 well I think no, I think you will have some 222 00:10:34.600 --> 00:10:35.960 guys rented out for fun. 223 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:36.360 Big players. 224 00:10:36.399 --> 00:10:36.639 Yeah. 225 00:10:36.679 --> 00:10:41.080 Wow. Well, and I can't wait to see mixed teams. 226 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:43.240 I want to see, you know, a woman on the team. 227 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:45.919 I want to see women playing against women. I want 228 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:46.879 to see the seniors. 229 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:47.240 Like. 230 00:10:47.480 --> 00:10:49.120 One of the things that was pointed out that I 231 00:10:49.159 --> 00:10:52.679 thought was amazing is Tiger really can't walk seventy two 232 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:57.000 holes and be competitive right now, it feels like, but 233 00:10:57.080 --> 00:10:59.879 he can do this. So if it's not going to 234 00:10:59.879 --> 00:11:05.720 be taxing on you physically to play in a man exactly, 235 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:08.039 bring the old guy. I would love to watch that. 236 00:11:08.159 --> 00:11:10.200 Well, I agree with you one hundred percent. I agree. Also, 237 00:11:10.320 --> 00:11:13.360 I wouldn't shock me that this doesn't parley into having 238 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:17.159 women's teams or mixed teams. I wouldn't shot me. You know, 239 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:20.759 I'll say this out loud. I thought how cool it 240 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:23.960 would be to have one team playing a mystery team 241 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:27.559 and having that mystery team be Bryson d. Chambeau and 242 00:11:27.559 --> 00:11:31.840 Brooks Kepka, Dustin Johnson and Harold Warner walking out and 243 00:11:32.120 --> 00:11:35.320 a live team and say, okay, we're all fine, let's 244 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:37.279 get back and play golf this we can all get 245 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:40.159 along well and it'll be okay. I mean, I think 246 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:42.399 there could be a lot of things done well. 247 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:45.639 So if it was invitation only to beyond teams, did 248 00:11:45.639 --> 00:11:49.240 they exclude live players intentionally? 249 00:11:49.639 --> 00:11:51.320 Looks like it. I don't see we. 250 00:11:53.879 --> 00:11:54.679 You're not going there. 251 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:58.399 It's still a little minefield out there with that stuff. 252 00:11:59.559 --> 00:12:02.519 I'm a I'm a big I'm a big PGA tour fan, 253 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:06.120 Asian tour fan. I'm a big live tour fan. I 254 00:12:06.159 --> 00:12:08.559 have golfers that play golf for a living. There can't 255 00:12:08.600 --> 00:12:12.759 be enough leagues and opportunities out there for me and 256 00:12:12.799 --> 00:12:15.440 some people. And there's people that you know don't like 257 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:17.799 me because it and uh, I'm you know, I said, 258 00:12:17.799 --> 00:12:19.679 I'm sorry, that's just my level. And I you know, 259 00:12:19.960 --> 00:12:22.240 as I said, if you haven't been to a little event, 260 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:24.679 I really don't want to talk to you because they're 261 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:26.960 incredibly fun. And those guys are having a ball out, 262 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:31.600 they're playing that golf. You know, it's three rounds. And 263 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:33.200 I was telling somebody the other day, I said, people 264 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:35.759 don't realize that the Corn Fairy Tour, which started out 265 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:38.080 as the Ben Hogan Tour, it was a fifty four 266 00:12:38.120 --> 00:12:42.639 hole tournament. So just a lot of that rhetoric. They 267 00:12:42.679 --> 00:12:44.600 just they just they handled it all wrong. We went 268 00:12:44.639 --> 00:12:46.399 through that in their first session. So they just handled 269 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:48.879 it all wrong. And it'll it'll sneak its way back 270 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:49.519 in somehow. 271 00:12:56.159 --> 00:12:58.480 All right, let's pick it up where we left off. 272 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:01.960 Here are talking about Live because last time you were on, 273 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:04.519 we had a long conversation about it and I appointed 274 00:13:04.559 --> 00:13:06.759 you the commissioner and you said, well, the first thing 275 00:13:06.759 --> 00:13:07.399 I would do is. 276 00:13:07.360 --> 00:13:09.159 Take the meeting absolutely right. 277 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:12.799 So there's been some in the last week or so 278 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:16.960 as we're recording this, there's been a lot of changes 279 00:13:17.080 --> 00:13:21.360 in live structure and they announced a TV deal with Fox. 280 00:13:21.399 --> 00:13:22.720 Absolutely monstrous. 281 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:28.799 Yeah, so tell me what your thoughts are about what's 282 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:30.960 going to happen with LIV next. Is it going to 283 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:32.879 catch on or is it going to peter out? And 284 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:34.480 these guys are going to get to come back to 285 00:13:34.519 --> 00:13:37.919 the PGA Tour and TGL is gonna you know, like 286 00:13:38.080 --> 00:13:41.080 take over what they were trying to do with the 287 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:42.240 team golf concept. 288 00:13:42.440 --> 00:13:46.320 Yeah, I think wow, I'll tell you. I we may 289 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:48.759 have talked about this, but go back and look at 290 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:51.600 film of the Ryder Cup back in the seventies and eighties. 291 00:13:51.639 --> 00:13:54.279 Go find some and look at how many people were there. 292 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:56.840 They couldn't they couldn't give the tickets away to come 293 00:13:56.840 --> 00:13:59.039 to the Ryder Cup. It was a great exhibition of golf. 294 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:02.440 And then the war by the Shore ninety one turned 295 00:14:02.480 --> 00:14:04.679 it into something that they can't even you know, they're 296 00:14:04.720 --> 00:14:06.519 the dog that caught the car. Now that thing is 297 00:14:06.559 --> 00:14:09.840 so big and gonna be in York, and so does 298 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:12.919 it catch on? I don't see how it can't. I 299 00:14:12.919 --> 00:14:15.600 mean looking not only the talent they have, but the 300 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:20.720 personalities they have. Sergio Garcia, Bryceon de Tembo, Brooks Kepka, 301 00:14:21.200 --> 00:14:23.000 all different people, Harold Varner. 302 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:26.440 Come on, wait wait brooks Kepka and personality. Come on, 303 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:31.440 you have Bryson. Yes, Brooks is not a big personality, you. 304 00:14:31.440 --> 00:14:34.840 See, this is the thing. Yeah he is, he is. 305 00:14:34.919 --> 00:14:38.039 Go watch Go watch the tournament because it's a little 306 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:40.840 more free flowing. And when I see personality, it doesn't 307 00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:43.320 mean they're all like Harrol Warner. They're not Lee Travino 308 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:45.919 or or whatever. But he has a personality. He has 309 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:48.360 a swagger. I mean he's cool. He's cool, right, I 310 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:51.519 mean he's a cool dude. Dustin Johnson's cool that. I mean, 311 00:14:51.519 --> 00:14:54.320 they're cool. I mean, so it has to catch on 312 00:14:54.360 --> 00:14:57.519 to some point because they have the funding. Now they 313 00:14:57.519 --> 00:14:59.120 have a TV deal with Fox. You're going to get 314 00:14:59.159 --> 00:15:02.480 exposed to it. Eventually, the rhetoric's going to go away. 315 00:15:02.679 --> 00:15:06.360 Hopefully Brandle can calm down a little bit and call him. 316 00:15:07.039 --> 00:15:09.919 He's calling solidy money dirty money because it's all money, 317 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:11.759 and I'm like, well, buddy, I got a feeling. We 318 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:13.559 got a guy coming in the office. There's gonna be 319 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:15.200 some all coming out of our ground soon. 320 00:15:15.919 --> 00:15:18.759 And old money golf come on. 321 00:15:19.120 --> 00:15:23.279 So but like I say, yeah, I think it's going 322 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:26.159 to catch on because I think what people, even though 323 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:29.480 all this stuff is really hurt professional golf, all the 324 00:15:29.559 --> 00:15:30.360 talk about. 325 00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:34.120 The money and all the the participation of golf is 326 00:15:34.200 --> 00:15:38.879 way way up, and I don't think the problem is 327 00:15:38.919 --> 00:15:42.480 as much a viewership is down. I just think it's 328 00:15:42.519 --> 00:15:48.039 back to normal viewership. Before Tiger showed up, you know 329 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:51.960 I did. I had a guy I don't say his name, 330 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:54.600 Walter Mueller. He's one of the I played golf with him. 331 00:15:54.600 --> 00:15:57.679 So he's at Frederica and Congaree and places and probably 332 00:15:57.720 --> 00:16:01.200 on the smartest mathematical minds in the world and worked 333 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:03.360 for Bank of America for a long time. And I 334 00:16:03.399 --> 00:16:06.240 asked him, could you take Tiger out of the model? 335 00:16:06.440 --> 00:16:08.480 Could you take Tiger out of the model for me 336 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:11.519 of the PGA tour? So if he had never shown up, 337 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:14.759 where would we be as far as persons Just so, 338 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:18.759 he gets on his computer, really nice bottle of Bordeaux, 339 00:16:19.120 --> 00:16:22.879 and he's typing, and he shows me a chart and 340 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:24.559 he has to explain it to me, and he shows 341 00:16:24.600 --> 00:16:27.879 me like somebody. I don't think people remember nineteen eighty one. 342 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:30.440 My brother was catting on tour. But the first place 343 00:16:31.799 --> 00:16:35.080 to Houston open was forty five thousand dollars in nineteen 344 00:16:35.080 --> 00:16:40.200 eighty one. So the chart and the growth between nineteen 345 00:16:40.279 --> 00:16:44.480 eighty and nineteen ninety five is a very constant, slow 346 00:16:44.559 --> 00:16:48.120 growth of the game in persas. And then this kid 347 00:16:48.159 --> 00:16:52.320 from California shows up and persons ignite and you can 348 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:54.559 see that graph line just shoot up in the air 349 00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:59.440 and it just I mean, it's skyrockets. But yet he 350 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:03.559 continue on like Tiger would have never been there. How 351 00:17:03.559 --> 00:17:06.400 he did that I'm sure it had pie in it, 352 00:17:06.440 --> 00:17:08.359 and I'm sure it had all kinds of things, but 353 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:08.880 he did it. 354 00:17:09.759 --> 00:17:11.319 Okay, give it to the matter. 355 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:13.119 So he runs it all the way out to where 356 00:17:13.119 --> 00:17:15.559 we are today, and purses would be between five and 357 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:18.319 a half and six million dollars. And that sounds really 358 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:20.599 low right now, right, I mean compared to. 359 00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:23.599 What still sounds amazing. But is that really low compared 360 00:17:23.599 --> 00:17:24.240 to what's going on? 361 00:17:24.359 --> 00:17:25.240 Well, twenty million? 362 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:30.680 Oh my god, kay, okay, I'm PGA tour to purses 363 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:31.759 are in the twenty million. 364 00:17:31.839 --> 00:17:35.279 The signature much I'm signature events I think are twenty 365 00:17:35.319 --> 00:17:37.200 million dollars. It's up there. It's a lot. 366 00:17:37.319 --> 00:17:40.519 What about the Masters? What is that counts there? 367 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:42.720 That's always been a funny thing. All those all the 368 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:45.319 organizations seem to always have kind of the same persons. 369 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:47.640 They all just regardless. I don't know, but I think 370 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:50.920 the Masters does not promote money. And as I think 371 00:17:50.920 --> 00:17:53.359 we said, the Masters could hold that tournament and say 372 00:17:53.359 --> 00:17:55.039 we're not paying you a dime. You get a jacket 373 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:57.279 in the trophy and an invitation back if you win, 374 00:17:57.759 --> 00:18:00.559 and everybody would show up for the Master's period, right. 375 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:02.960 Well, that was on TGL the first night when they 376 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:06.119 were interviewing Tiger and they were commenting on the guy 377 00:18:06.119 --> 00:18:08.880 who was on the sidelines his coat, and Tiger's like, 378 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:10.799 I'll take a green one, thank you. I would never 379 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:11.160 wear that. 380 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:15.680 You go so so masters never talks about money, which 381 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:17.480 I love. It's not about the money got them. It's 382 00:18:17.480 --> 00:18:20.440 great you get paid. I was telling somebody Dak Prescott, 383 00:18:20.519 --> 00:18:22.480 I don't know how much he signed for, but every 384 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:24.240 time he threw a touchdown pass, they didn't tell you 385 00:18:24.279 --> 00:18:26.359 how much money as contract was. That was talked about 386 00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:28.119 one time, and it's one of the things that's hurt 387 00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:33.240 golf is that every day there's here's more money. Why 388 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:35.519 don't we play for more than that. Let's play for 389 00:18:35.559 --> 00:18:39.119 the competition. Yeah, you get paid, but but yeah, so 390 00:18:39.640 --> 00:18:42.039 and then I told somebody that, and again this could 391 00:18:42.079 --> 00:18:44.319 be wrong. I mean, walterd could be off a little bit, 392 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:48.000 but I doubt it. Guys, but six million sounds really 393 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:50.599 low to people. Oh come on, and I said, do 394 00:18:50.640 --> 00:18:54.480 you know what the second largest tour own earth four 395 00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:56.720 round tour, I'll call it the four round tour would 396 00:18:56.759 --> 00:18:59.960 be the European Tour. And you where their persons are 397 00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:05.640 three million? So six millions, probably not far off of 398 00:19:05.680 --> 00:19:09.680 what if Tiger had never shown up. And so here's 399 00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:13.400 the big question now that Tiger's kind of he had 400 00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:16.119 left the game, but that he's not a consistent performer 401 00:19:16.160 --> 00:19:19.960