Speaker 1: Hi. This is father John Canaro from Oswego, New York,
Speaker 1: and I play in Oswego Country Club. This is Golf
Speaker 1: Smarter number nine three.
Speaker 2: What did we learn in twenty twenty four that we
Speaker 2: can bring to twenty twenty five and take advantage of?
Speaker 1: Take advantage of. I think we've learned that the viewership
Speaker 1: in the world is kind of tired of hearing about money.
Speaker 1: I think we can stop that. I think we can
Speaker 1: learn that we can all get along. I think you
Speaker 1: sought the PGA Championship that rips Koepka and Bryce and
Speaker 1: d Chambeau and these guys can get along with each other.
Speaker 1: They're fine, It's going to be okay. And I'm hoping
Speaker 1: we learned that maybe this should happen across the board.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you right now, if I owned a tour
Speaker 1: and I could have the opportunity to have the personalities
Speaker 1: that play on with play a few of my events,
Speaker 1: I'd want them out there. I hope we've learned that.
Speaker 1: Maybe from the PGA Championship, we learned that, and we'll
Speaker 1: learn it from the Masters.
Speaker 2: Pro Golf in the twenty first century, can TGL lead
Speaker 2: the way the return of golf Agent Mac Barnhardt. This
Speaker 2: is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from great
Speaker 2: golf minds to help you lower your score and raise
Speaker 2: your golf IQ. There's your host, Fred Green. Welcome back
Speaker 2: to the Golf Smarter podcast. Mac.
Speaker 1: Thanks Brad. Great to be back, sir. Thank you.
Speaker 2: It's great to have you back. I had so much
Speaker 2: fun last time and quoted you so many times from
Speaker 2: your last episode that I was like, could not wait
Speaker 2: to get you back on.
Speaker 1: Thanks for you. I'm very honored for that. I really
Speaker 1: do appreciate it.
Speaker 2: So there's so many topics I want to go over
Speaker 2: but right now, and I don't usually do newsworthy conversation,
Speaker 2: but there's a couple of things going on in golf
Speaker 2: industry right now that are really fascinating. You can see
Speaker 2: I'm wearing my Bay Golf Club shirt. I mean, I
Speaker 2: saw the first night of TGL, bought the shirt for
Speaker 2: the Bay that's my team, right So it's one of
Speaker 2: the one of the things you talked about Live Blue
Speaker 2: was the fact that they didn't regionalize their teams. And
Speaker 2: here TGL comes in and creates not necessarily because these
Speaker 2: guys are from there, but they created teams from different
Speaker 2: regions so that you can root for that.
Speaker 1: I've got Atlanta. I've got a Lucas Glover. A climb
Speaker 1: of mine is only Atlanta Drive.
Speaker 2: Which he's on Atlanta always. Okay, well, this isn't more
Speaker 2: of my questions.
Speaker 1: Is Atlanta Drive hat right here with the big A
Speaker 1: right here on it? Okay? Own, you know it's it's
Speaker 1: It's been a lot of fun. I know they've got
Speaker 1: some technical difficulties that are happening.
Speaker 2: And but of course it was the first. I mean,
Speaker 2: they've only done it twice.
Speaker 1: I've never seen Tiger last so hard. The other night
Speaker 1: when Kevin Kiszner boned it out of the bunker into
Speaker 1: the flagick, and that's good to see Tiger.
Speaker 2: And good to see Tiger being a person instead of
Speaker 2: right do that and that really exposed that. It was beautiful.
Speaker 1: And I saw Kevin Kissner, I was done in Palm
Speaker 1: Springs for the American Express event. He had flown I
Speaker 1: guess that night after the thing into and he was
Speaker 1: because he's playing and I ran into him and I
Speaker 1: looked at him and he was talking about it, and
Speaker 1: I said, man, I just love when you guys hit
Speaker 1: a shot like that. So that you can prove to
Speaker 1: even the best players in the world can do it.
Speaker 1: And you know, and that was his first trip there.
Speaker 1: That people don't realize he did not get a practice session.
Speaker 1: Lucas has got a couple of practice sessions. But I
Speaker 1: had Mike McCarley, who did it, who started that whole
Speaker 1: deal of Jeff new Barth with And I mean, I
Speaker 1: love it. I love the team part of it. They
Speaker 1: you know, there was a team chat with Atlanta Drive
Speaker 1: watching it together, so can't lee, Justin Thomas and Billy Horschell,
Speaker 1: all four of them commenting about certain things. And I
Speaker 1: won't go into the summer because it was really they were.
Speaker 1: They were having fun with those guys that were hitting
Speaker 1: bad shots. And but I go and people think team
Speaker 1: doesn't work, And here's four guys that really aren't related
Speaker 1: in any way. Justin Thomas, Lucas is the older guy,
Speaker 1: and they're.
Speaker 2: Just other than being on the PGA, they.
Speaker 1: Are now on the Atlanta Drive. And I think it's
Speaker 1: the coolest thing. I have Gear my son, who is
Speaker 1: Lucas's Godfather's Lucas god son. You know, he's got he's
Speaker 1: ordered swag. And I said, dude, I can get that
Speaker 1: for you for free. He goes, No, I just use
Speaker 1: your credit card, I said, So yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, so yeah, what so two weeks into it,
Speaker 2: we'll probably publish this on the day of the third
Speaker 2: the third episode. Your thoughts about you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: like technical of course, there's going to be technical issues.
Speaker 2: There's going to be things that they have to learn
Speaker 2: as they figure it out. And you know, like like
Speaker 2: to me, like when you creating almost a boxing or
Speaker 2: wrestling atmosphere, when they walk into the arena, but they're
Speaker 2: walking it's like, no, dude, get fired up, pump it up.
Speaker 2: Let's you know, don't be so cool like I'm a
Speaker 2: PGA tooy. Just let's fire this crowd up. Because the
Speaker 2: crowd is kind of yeah, the crowd is kind of separated,
Speaker 2: so you don't really get a full sense of loud,
Speaker 2: you know and emotional.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to kind of look at it like
Speaker 1: the sixteenth hole in Scott's Downe at the waste Management.
Speaker 1: You know, they've got that thing surrounded now and it's
Speaker 1: now so yeah, yeah, that's kind of what it's like
Speaker 1: in there. I wish the first match didn't quite have
Speaker 1: as much banner between the players, and we were talking
Speaker 1: about they've got a shot clock, but they really don't
Speaker 1: need it. You know, they've got the electronic measures, they
Speaker 1: know the numbers, so there's and you know, once they
Speaker 1: pick it, then they've got you know, I don't think
Speaker 1: the shot clock ever got below like fifteen on anybody.
Speaker 1: And and the.
Speaker 2: Second week, that heartbeat got louder and louder. I saw
Speaker 2: one of them going down to about two.
Speaker 3: Okay, but about the first one and okay, and but yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, I think the only technical difficulty that I've seen,
Speaker 3: and it was there when Lucas did his practice sessions
Speaker 3: and I was with him, is the wedges.
Speaker 1: For some reason, I think Lucas had like one hundred
Speaker 1: and forty yard shot and he hit it like one
Speaker 1: fifty one, and he looked at me like whoa. And
Speaker 1: the guy with me, one of the guys, he goes
Speaker 1: and Lucas says, I hit that one forty one. And
Speaker 1: the guy goes says, he know that, And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he knows that. I go. That's what makes some pros.
Speaker 1: Those guys know how far their wedges go. They might
Speaker 1: be a little oh yeah, they might be a little
Speaker 1: off on their four and five hours, but no, inside
Speaker 1: one thirty forty they can hit it within New York
Speaker 1: and that's what makes them so great. So when you
Speaker 1: saw Tiger miss it by twenty yards of the wedge,
Speaker 1: the Greg when he.
Speaker 2: Overshot right and he's like, I've never hit that club
Speaker 2: that far.
Speaker 1: So there's something that they've got to figure out there.
Speaker 1: But look, you know who cares if they did hit
Speaker 1: that by the shot? You know what, It's just this
Speaker 1: is an entertainment product. This is not the Masters, it's
Speaker 1: not the US Open and the Open Chainampionship. It's entertainment.
Speaker 1: It's a time for people to see these guys in
Speaker 1: a little different light. See I'm a little more you know,
Speaker 1: Like I said, I if one of them walked out
Speaker 1: with a beer and just stuck it on the ground
Speaker 1: like we would, you know, if you people played I said,
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that. I'm not trying to tell people
Speaker 1: to drink and play god, but they do.
Speaker 2: Oh wouldn't that be hilarious if they had a beverage
Speaker 2: cart pull up the girl. Yeah, I'm not going to
Speaker 2: say that. I'm going to say a beverage cart. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to say it's a card girl. But if
Speaker 2: they had somebody pull up when they're when he's about
Speaker 2: to tee off, somebody pulls up with drinks.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's just be honest. I mean, well, you know,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I love it. I've been down there. I've
Speaker 1: got and I get to see it inside, you know,
Speaker 1: inside the roads there. And so I went down with
Speaker 1: Lucas and it was just it's a blast. And mister
Speaker 1: Arthur Blank who owns the Atlanta Drive and has put
Speaker 1: so much behind it, and he's such a great guy,
Speaker 1: you know, a big goth enthusiast, and and and I
Speaker 1: think that's what this is about. And I think, you know,
Speaker 1: younger kids will really dig this. I think there's some
Speaker 1: guys at my club at home Frederica Golf Club that
Speaker 1: you know, a little older, that you know, is kind
Speaker 1: of poopoing it a little bit. But I mean, you.
Speaker 2: Know, that's not for them. And that's not who it's
Speaker 2: the Nines for.
Speaker 1: It's not who it's So I'm excited about it.
Speaker 2: So does each team have a different owner something that
Speaker 2: someone that's not associated with and who determines who's going
Speaker 2: to be on the team.
Speaker 1: Is an invitational or yeah, they draft them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Lucas getting on a team is phenomenal. I
Speaker 2: yea great exposure too.
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody there's if he's not the most likely
Speaker 1: player on tour, he's got to be close to it.
Speaker 1: He's one of the most authentic and very intelligent guys.
Speaker 1: Probably one of the best ball structors that ever played
Speaker 1: the game, you know, considering the average career on tours
Speaker 1: two point seven years and he's been out here twenty
Speaker 1: one years. Speaks volumes, and he went through quite a
Speaker 1: time where he couldn't make it from two feet at times.
Speaker 1: That shows you how a good ball striker is and
Speaker 1: a competitor and a hard worker. But yeah, it's been
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. And you know, I don't I
Speaker 1: know Billy Horsa really well. I know justin Thomas a little.
Speaker 1: I barely know Patrick can't leave. They're but they're all
Speaker 1: four very different people. But it's fun. It will be
Speaker 1: fun to see them mailed into a team, and I
Speaker 1: think they'll all learn something from each other.
Speaker 2: So you have four people on a team but only
Speaker 2: three are playing. Is that just because someone's gonna go
Speaker 2: at my schedule is not.
Speaker 1: Gonna work this correct? Yeah, Lucas Lucas is not going
Speaker 1: to play the first match on the twenty first, but
Speaker 1: he will play the doubleheader on February seventeen, so he's
Speaker 1: out and you know, and again that's double header. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's he's going to play the two matches. It's a
Speaker 1: double header coming up from the seventeen, I hope. But well, wow,
Speaker 1: people tell them, yeah, yeah, he's playing two matches on
Speaker 1: the seventeen. Oh wow, yeah, okay, But he loves it.
Speaker 1: I mean, the fun thing about him is he lives
Speaker 1: right there, so he'll just go down now and easy.
Speaker 1: And I tell people all the time, I said, if
Speaker 1: you're wealthy, or if you have a company and you
Speaker 1: wanted to have some fun, how about renting that place
Speaker 1: out for instead of instead of having a pro am
Speaker 1: or a outing at a golf course, how about renting
Speaker 1: that thing out at night and maybe even hiring some
Speaker 1: of these players to come play with you. And I mean,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I think, as I said to
Speaker 1: my Jeff Newbarf, who's on the producer or whatever it is,
Speaker 1: I said, I think there's going to be a huge
Speaker 1: demand for people wanting to rent this thing out. I mean,
Speaker 1: it is. It's also I know I couldn't afford it,
Speaker 1: but but it's a it's pretty cool. I was hoping
Speaker 1: they give a little just be corporated. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well I think no, I think you will have some
Speaker 1: guys rented out for fun.
Speaker 2: Big players.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Wow. Well, and I can't wait to see mixed teams.
Speaker 2: I want to see, you know, a woman on the team.
Speaker 2: I want to see women playing against women. I want
Speaker 2: to see the seniors.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 2: One of the things that was pointed out that I
Speaker 2: thought was amazing is Tiger really can't walk seventy two
Speaker 2: holes and be competitive right now, it feels like, but
Speaker 2: he can do this. So if it's not going to
Speaker 2: be taxing on you physically to play in a man exactly,
Speaker 2: bring the old guy. I would love to watch that.
Speaker 1: Well, I agree with you one hundred percent. I agree. Also,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't shock me that this doesn't parley into having
Speaker 1: women's teams or mixed teams. I wouldn't shot me. You know,
Speaker 1: I'll say this out loud. I thought how cool it
Speaker 1: would be to have one team playing a mystery team
Speaker 1: and having that mystery team be Bryson d. Chambeau and
Speaker 1: Brooks Kepka, Dustin Johnson and Harold Warner walking out and
Speaker 1: a live team and say, okay, we're all fine, let's
Speaker 1: get back and play golf this we can all get
Speaker 1: along well and it'll be okay. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: there could be a lot of things done well.
Speaker 2: So if it was invitation only to beyond teams, did
Speaker 2: they exclude live players intentionally?
Speaker 1: Looks like it. I don't see we.
Speaker 2: You're not going there.
Speaker 1: It's still a little minefield out there with that stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a big I'm a big PGA tour fan,
Speaker 1: Asian tour fan. I'm a big live tour fan. I
Speaker 1: have golfers that play golf for a living. There can't
Speaker 1: be enough leagues and opportunities out there for me and
Speaker 1: some people. And there's people that you know don't like
Speaker 1: me because it and uh, I'm you know, I said,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's just my level. And I you know,
Speaker 1: as I said, if you haven't been to a little event,
Speaker 1: I really don't want to talk to you because they're
Speaker 1: incredibly fun. And those guys are having a ball out,
Speaker 1: they're playing that golf. You know, it's three rounds. And
Speaker 1: I was telling somebody the other day, I said, people
Speaker 1: don't realize that the Corn Fairy Tour, which started out
Speaker 1: as the Ben Hogan Tour, it was a fifty four
Speaker 1: hole tournament. So just a lot of that rhetoric. They
Speaker 1: just they just they handled it all wrong. We went
Speaker 1: through that in their first session. So they just handled
Speaker 1: it all wrong. And it'll it'll sneak its way back
Speaker 1: in somehow.
Speaker 2: All right, let's pick it up where we left off.
Speaker 2: Here are talking about Live because last time you were on,
Speaker 2: we had a long conversation about it and I appointed
Speaker 2: you the commissioner and you said, well, the first thing
Speaker 2: I would do is.
Speaker 1: Take the meeting absolutely right.
Speaker 2: So there's been some in the last week or so
Speaker 2: as we're recording this, there's been a lot of changes
Speaker 2: in live structure and they announced a TV deal with Fox.
Speaker 1: Absolutely monstrous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so tell me what your thoughts are about what's
Speaker 2: going to happen with LIV next. Is it going to
Speaker 2: catch on or is it going to peter out? And
Speaker 2: these guys are going to get to come back to
Speaker 2: the PGA Tour and TGL is gonna you know, like
Speaker 2: take over what they were trying to do with the
Speaker 2: team golf concept.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think wow, I'll tell you. I we may
Speaker 1: have talked about this, but go back and look at
Speaker 1: film of the Ryder Cup back in the seventies and eighties.
Speaker 1: Go find some and look at how many people were there.
Speaker 1: They couldn't they couldn't give the tickets away to come
Speaker 1: to the Ryder Cup. It was a great exhibition of golf.
Speaker 1: And then the war by the Shore ninety one turned
Speaker 1: it into something that they can't even you know, they're
Speaker 1: the dog that caught the car. Now that thing is
Speaker 1: so big and gonna be in York, and so does
Speaker 1: it catch on? I don't see how it can't. I
Speaker 1: mean looking not only the talent they have, but the
Speaker 1: personalities they have. Sergio Garcia, Bryceon de Tembo, Brooks Kepka,
Speaker 1: all different people, Harold Varner.
Speaker 2: Come on, wait wait brooks Kepka and personality. Come on,
Speaker 2: you have Bryson. Yes, Brooks is not a big personality, you.
Speaker 1: See, this is the thing. Yeah he is, he is.
Speaker 1: Go watch Go watch the tournament because it's a little
Speaker 1: more free flowing. And when I see personality, it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean they're all like Harrol Warner. They're not Lee Travino
Speaker 1: or or whatever. But he has a personality. He has
Speaker 1: a swagger. I mean he's cool. He's cool, right, I
Speaker 1: mean he's a cool dude. Dustin Johnson's cool that. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're cool. I mean, so it has to catch on
Speaker 1: to some point because they have the funding. Now they
Speaker 1: have a TV deal with Fox. You're going to get
Speaker 1: exposed to it. Eventually, the rhetoric's going to go away.
Speaker 1: Hopefully Brandle can calm down a little bit and call him.
Speaker 1: He's calling solidy money dirty money because it's all money,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, buddy, I got a feeling. We
Speaker 1: got a guy coming in the office. There's gonna be
Speaker 1: some all coming out of our ground soon.
Speaker 2: And old money golf come on.
Speaker 4: So but like I say, yeah, I think it's going
Speaker 4: to catch on because I think what people, even though
Speaker 4: all this stuff is really hurt professional golf, all the
Speaker 4: talk about.
Speaker 1: The money and all the the participation of golf is
Speaker 1: way way up, and I don't think the problem is
Speaker 1: as much a viewership is down. I just think it's
Speaker 1: back to normal viewership. Before Tiger showed up, you know
Speaker 1: I did. I had a guy I don't say his name,
Speaker 1: Walter Mueller. He's one of the I played golf with him.
Speaker 1: So he's at Frederica and Congaree and places and probably
Speaker 1: on the smartest mathematical minds in the world and worked
Speaker 1: for Bank of America for a long time. And I
Speaker 1: asked him, could you take Tiger out of the model?
Speaker 1: Could you take Tiger out of the model for me
Speaker 1: of the PGA tour? So if he had never shown up,
Speaker 1: where would we be as far as persons Just so,
Speaker 1: he gets on his computer, really nice bottle of Bordeaux,
Speaker 1: and he's typing, and he shows me a chart and
Speaker 1: he has to explain it to me, and he shows
Speaker 1: me like somebody. I don't think people remember nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 1: My brother was catting on tour. But the first place
Speaker 1: to Houston open was forty five thousand dollars in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty one. So the chart and the growth between nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty and nineteen ninety five is a very constant, slow
Speaker 1: growth of the game in persas. And then this kid
Speaker 1: from California shows up and persons ignite and you can
Speaker 1: see that graph line just shoot up in the air
Speaker 1: and it just I mean, it's skyrockets. But yet he
Speaker 1: continue on like Tiger would have never been there. How
Speaker 1: he did that I'm sure it had pie in it,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure it had all kinds of things, but
Speaker 1: he did it.
Speaker 2: Okay, give it to the matter.
Speaker 1: So he runs it all the way out to where
Speaker 1: we are today, and purses would be between five and
Speaker 1: a half and six million dollars. And that sounds really
Speaker 1: low right now, right, I mean compared to.
Speaker 2: What still sounds amazing. But is that really low compared
Speaker 2: to what's going on?
Speaker 1: Well, twenty million?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, kay, okay, I'm PGA tour to purses
Speaker 2: are in the twenty million.
Speaker 1: The signature much I'm signature events I think are twenty
Speaker 1: million dollars. It's up there. It's a lot.
Speaker 2: What about the Masters? What is that counts there?
Speaker 1: That's always been a funny thing. All those all the
Speaker 1: organizations seem to always have kind of the same persons.
Speaker 1: They all just regardless. I don't know, but I think
Speaker 1: the Masters does not promote money. And as I think
Speaker 1: we said, the Masters could hold that tournament and say
Speaker 1: we're not paying you a dime. You get a jacket
Speaker 1: in the trophy and an invitation back if you win,
Speaker 1: and everybody would show up for the Master's period, right.
Speaker 2: Well, that was on TGL the first night when they
Speaker 2: were interviewing Tiger and they were commenting on the guy
Speaker 2: who was on the sidelines his coat, and Tiger's like,
Speaker 2: I'll take a green one, thank you. I would never
Speaker 2: wear that.
Speaker 1: You go so so masters never talks about money, which
Speaker 1: I love. It's not about the money got them. It's
Speaker 1: great you get paid. I was telling somebody Dak Prescott,
Speaker 1: I don't know how much he signed for, but every
Speaker 1: time he threw a touchdown pass, they didn't tell you
Speaker 1: how much money as contract was. That was talked about
Speaker 1: one time, and it's one of the things that's hurt
Speaker 1: golf is that every day there's here's more money. Why
Speaker 1: don't we play for more than that. Let's play for
Speaker 1: the competition. Yeah, you get paid, but but yeah, so
Speaker 1: and then I told somebody that, and again this could
Speaker 1: be wrong. I mean, walterd could be off a little bit,
Speaker 1: but I doubt it. Guys, but six million sounds really
Speaker 1: low to people. Oh come on, and I said, do
Speaker 1: you know what the second largest tour own earth four
Speaker 1: round tour, I'll call it the four round tour would
Speaker 1: be the European Tour. And you where their persons are
Speaker 1: three million? So six millions, probably not far off of
Speaker 1: what if Tiger had never shown up. And so here's
Speaker 1: the big question now that Tiger's kind of he had
Speaker 1: left the game, but that he's not a consistent performer
Speaker 1: on the PGA Tour. Were they already headed in the
Speaker 1: wrong direction of having purses to be ten million and
Speaker 1: twelve million and fourteen million and twenty million without Lift
Speaker 1: showing up. Were they already heading out of sustainability for
Speaker 1: what really the marketplace will hold. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: the Michael Jordan thing. I watched the NBA when Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan played the minute he retired. I don't think I've
Speaker 1: seen the game since, not because Lebron Kobe. I mean,
Speaker 1: Michael grew up North Carolina where I did. But that's
Speaker 1: just it was. I love watching Michael Jordan play basketball,
Speaker 1: and I think there were people that loved to watch
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods play golf, as they should, and I think
Speaker 1: when he didn't play, I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: quit watching and went back out to play. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'll have to tell you, except for clients winning a
Speaker 1: golf tournament, the only time on a Sunday that I
Speaker 1: would come in off the range or not play golf
Speaker 1: is if Tiger was winning something, because I wanted to
Speaker 1: see what he was going to do, because I knew
Speaker 1: he wasn't going to choke. I knew he was going
Speaker 1: to beat you. I knew he had that I went,
Speaker 1: but I unless it was a client right now, there's
Speaker 1: no way that I would lead the range to go
Speaker 1: watch any other golfer win nothing against them, And I
Speaker 1: think that's where the tour has to be careful with
Speaker 1: where they are. They have to realize who they really are. Now.
Speaker 1: You know, if ratings are down thirty percent, maybe that's
Speaker 1: just those thirty percent of the people were just Tiger people.
Speaker 1: And so and again we went through that. I was
Speaker 1: pretty critical of the tour and I still am. I
Speaker 1: think they haven't made very many, if any good decisions
Speaker 1: involved in all this, and I hate to be that way.
Speaker 1: And I get called the Joe Rogan of GoF because
Speaker 1: of that, But I'm being honest. So we'll live back
Speaker 1: to the question, we'll live make it, I think. So.
Speaker 1: I think this TV product is I mean with Fox
Speaker 1: is going to be a big part of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to change their exposure dramatically obviously, And
Speaker 2: what about Greg Norman Out, Scott O'Neill in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a good deal. I think I
Speaker 1: think Greg got it to where it was, it was
Speaker 1: ready to go to put somebody.
Speaker 2: As far as he could get it.
Speaker 1: I think he could. I think he could have going.
Speaker 1: I mean Greg's a smart man, I mean, and a
Speaker 1: good guy. Listen, there's some stories I'm not going to
Speaker 1: tell him. But I don't think Greg is done. He's
Speaker 1: a better guy than people make him out to be.
Speaker 1: I've I mean, yeah, he's very cocky, very confident, and
Speaker 1: I hadn't met anybody successful yet that's not but yeah,
Speaker 1: he was smarter to do it. But I think he's
Speaker 1: you know, he's in his late sixties. I mean it's
Speaker 1: he's probably ready to go enjoy himself. And he got
Speaker 1: it to where it is. And now they've brought somebody
Speaker 1: in I think to take it to the next level.
Speaker 1: And I think, you you know, I think all businesses
Speaker 1: get to that point. I mean, Steve Jobs built Apple,
Speaker 1: but he didn't run it from that level, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: he got it to the point. So yeah, I'm bulleth
Speaker 1: on it. I think it'll I think it'll go. And
Speaker 1: look they're going I mean, we'll see my first event.
Speaker 1: I'll go to be in Miami. I've got Andy Ogletree
Speaker 1: as a client, And just to tell you that, Andy
Speaker 1: just flew out today to California to FIL's house and
Speaker 1: the High Flyers are having a kind of a spring
Speaker 1: training camp right now before they take off. So it's real.
Speaker 1: People are not teams not I mean Phil. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, Andy signed with Phil's team, not because it
Speaker 1: was the best money, not because but he was going
Speaker 1: to get to learn under one of the greatest players
Speaker 1: ever play. So I mean, yeah, so that's it's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: I'm on both sides of it. It's pretty fine.
Speaker 2: But a lot of people complain about LIVE is that
Speaker 2: what are they playing for? I mean, you know they
Speaker 2: don't have you know, like Tiger just wants to win majors, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, where where does it leave you in history
Speaker 2: as far as professional golf is concerned. What is LIV
Speaker 2: trying to get to? To get people go, I gotta
Speaker 2: go back every year and watch this type of thing.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, let's look at it. Let's look at
Speaker 1: how golf. Pro golf really got started. There were from
Speaker 1: amateur golf, yeah, but they were community, they were community events.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Greensboro to wind them championship. A small
Speaker 1: little tournament used to be called a GGO. It was
Speaker 1: run by the Chamber of Commerce. It was to promote Greensboro, Okay,
Speaker 1: And as time went on and went on, and the
Speaker 1: golf course was kind of you know, and a guy
Speaker 1: named Bobby Long came in and saved it because it
Speaker 1: was so good for the community. They gave all this
Speaker 1: money back to the charity and it gave I mean
Speaker 1: for that six days. If you go to that event,
Speaker 1: they don't have the best players in the world play there.
Speaker 1: I mean, they don't get that field. They got Tiger
Speaker 1: one time that kind of messed them up. But as
Speaker 1: a rule they'll get a few top players. But it's
Speaker 1: the last event before the playoffs. It's a lot of
Speaker 1: Scottie Scheffler's not there. But go there and see if
Speaker 1: you think there's not a buzz because it's a community event.
Speaker 1: They come in, they've got shelai'se they go have drinks
Speaker 1: with friends and they go follow God. But the goth
Speaker 1: is kind of an add on. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: the waste management who has what one hundred thousand people
Speaker 1: to day there's not one hundred thousand people watching goth
Speaker 1: at Waste Management if you've ever been there, and it's
Speaker 1: a community event. So when Live goes to Australia, which
Speaker 1: the tour never did, and you bring these players in,
Speaker 1: go watch the crowd in the environment for that one week,
Speaker 1: and the Kentucky Derby, you go to Blexington that one week.
Speaker 1: By the it's in happening is where you are. And
Speaker 1: so these golf tournaments Sanderson Farms in Mississippi, they don't
Speaker 1: have hardly any top players play, but you should go
Speaker 1: see the community come out together. And again that's when
Speaker 1: the tour was a nonprofit and they were giving all
Speaker 1: this money out to charity. I don't know what's going
Speaker 1: to happen now that they're a private equity funded for
Speaker 1: profit things that I think that's another eric. But so
Speaker 1: when LIV goes to an environment that doesn't see this
Speaker 1: kind of golf, Singapore, the places they go, it's a
Speaker 1: big deal. Whoever they bring, I don't even think they
Speaker 1: half of them know. But all you have is one name.
Speaker 1: And then going back to the majors, Collin Montgomery, Okay,
Speaker 1: never want a major, Never want a major, you know,
Speaker 1: any event. You can win any tournament you want, but
Speaker 1: you're not really recognized to you in a major, and
Speaker 1: that's all that matters, you know, And I know there's
Speaker 1: out there if you play the live tour you can't
Speaker 1: get in a major. Well not true. You can qualify
Speaker 1: for the US Open. You can. You can do things.
Speaker 1: And now the pg of America is allowing live players
Speaker 1: to play. They invited live players to play in the
Speaker 1: event they're going to come back together, and I think
Speaker 1: the pg of America will be the front runner in
Speaker 1: bringing GoF back together, if you wan, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: I really do. They once started this thing, they started
Speaker 1: a tour. PG Tour used to be known as to
Speaker 1: TPA Tournament Players Association. You got to go back some
Speaker 1: time in this, Okay, you have to go back. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's where the PGA Tour came from, is the PGM America.
Speaker 1: Because they are the grassroots guys that over I mean,
Speaker 1: they're the guys that are overseeing every golfer in America
Speaker 1: the club pros at both public and private clubs. So
Speaker 1: that would be my guess is the PGM of America
Speaker 1: will end up being the conduit to bringing golf back
Speaker 1: together prediction.
Speaker 2: You were talking about these various events where it creates
Speaker 2: a buzz locally. But now to promote a sport to
Speaker 2: grow as sport, things you need, well, you need online,
Speaker 2: you need television, you need to make it a global
Speaker 2: and if that's only a national thing, but it's got
Speaker 2: to be like national thing. So like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I watched the PNC Tour that's not an official tour event,
Speaker 2: but yet watching the team of a professional player and
Speaker 2: somebody in their family, you know, Tiger and Charlie, there
Speaker 2: was a buzz. There was a real buzz about that.
Speaker 1: Man, are you kidding? I mean the Shark Shootout used
Speaker 1: to have that and in Naples. Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess I'd go back to grow. What is the purpose
Speaker 1: to grow it? I mean it will grow at his
Speaker 1: own financial okay, but how much is enough? I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the whole point is that. I
Speaker 1: mean the artificially grows something or you can't make it grow.
Speaker 1: I mean John Daily showed up in ninety one. He
Speaker 1: was a gross spurt. I call him a gross spurt
Speaker 1: when he won the PGA Championship. I think we man
Speaker 1: mentioned it at the time. If you've got ten or
Speaker 1: fifteen thousand dollars for a day outing for a pro
Speaker 1: big deal. And I remember John Day, we heard that
Speaker 1: he got fifty thousand for a day outing and we
Speaker 1: were losing our minds because you know, rises all boats, right,
Speaker 1: and then if you really want to watch the boat rise.
Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety six, Tiger Wood shows up and Tiger
Speaker 1: Woods made everybody in GOP money, me club reps, people
Speaker 1: made grips. He made everybody money. You know, this pip
Speaker 1: deal they did, you know, giving money to the players
Speaker 1: that impacted the tour. I don't know if you know
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, so the tour decided there were ten
Speaker 1: or whatever guys that really mattered, and they gave and
Speaker 1: they had some kind of made up I think it's
Speaker 1: made up. And Tiger got the first prize for player
Speaker 1: impact and he played three events. He got ten million
Speaker 1: dollars in Scotti scheffer he got eight million, Jordan Spieth
Speaker 1: got four and a half million, Wyndham Clark got three
Speaker 1: and a half million, And I'm like, well, first of all,
Speaker 1: they should have just given all the money to Tiger.
Speaker 1: First of all, because the impact of the tour has
Speaker 1: been affected for forty years Bobby Watkins, Gary Coch, Robert Wren.
Speaker 1: There's guys that have been playing Wednesday pro ams for
Speaker 1: free to promote the tour for years and years. I
Speaker 1: mean there's not a name that I can't mention. Every
Speaker 1: tour player has given free time and europe meteaites to
Speaker 1: the tour to impact the tour. So before you know,
Speaker 1: in the eighties, there were people doing things. In the
Speaker 1: nineties and Greg normand the tour and everyone impacted the tour.
Speaker 1: But Tiger he was the needle. He didn't move the needle.
Speaker 1: He was the needle. So if you want to give
Speaker 1: money away for impacting the tour, just give it all
Speaker 1: the Tiger and be done with it, because I promise you
Speaker 1: no one else has ever touched the needle like that.
Speaker 1: Greg Norman got a little close to it, Palmer back
Speaker 1: in the day, Nicholas a little bit. I mean there
Speaker 1: were little needle movers thing did what Tiger did. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it'll ever be done again. I mean
Speaker 1: I saw it.
Speaker 2: And it was timing of that as well. I mean
Speaker 2: it was just at the exact right time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, him doing I remember doing contracts before Tiger shows
Speaker 1: up and they would we'll call it a dollar. The
Speaker 1: contract was a dollar. Tiger shows up and I was
Speaker 1: doing contracts for the same people for ten dollars, and
Speaker 1: I didn't get better than negotiating. The market rose. It
Speaker 1: just went up and up and up and tv and
Speaker 1: and I think, Okay, they got drunk on it. Man,
Speaker 1: they got drunk on growth, and it just wasn't going
Speaker 1: to grow anymore. I think Tiger's effect of growth on
Speaker 1: the tour slowed down somewhere around two thousand and nine
Speaker 1: or ten. I think it leveled off. I didn't think
Speaker 1: that's what Walter's Charpe says.
Speaker 2: Well, there was the crash in eight too, right, there
Speaker 2: was the market.
Speaker 1: Well there were there were two crashes, but we won't
Speaker 1: go there. I'll let it. I'll let people figure out
Speaker 1: the other crash.
Speaker 2: Oh really, you do that to me.
Speaker 1: Well, Tiger had a crash that crashed, and that did that,
Speaker 1: and then the market crash. Yeah, and that certainly. Look
Speaker 1: and look, Tiger's a great guy. Don't take that. I'm
Speaker 1: not hitting him. Life is like a lot of things
Speaker 1: going out there that you know that are normal human life.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but I think they got drunk, because how's
Speaker 1: it going to grow. Why does it need to grow?
Speaker 1: Why don't it's just Why don't it just exist? Why
Speaker 1: does everything have to grow? Was is it not enough
Speaker 1: to win a million dollars if you win a golf terment,
Speaker 1: Well you gotta win one point three? I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: and people, these guys are not going to go get
Speaker 1: jobs if purses come down. They're not going to quit
Speaker 1: and go get an insurance job. They're not gonna come
Speaker 1: do what I do. I mean, they're going to do
Speaker 1: what they do and they'll get paid. Like, my income
Speaker 1: is gone down, just like Tiger's effect is gone down.
Speaker 1: Contracts have gone back down. And I keep saying this.
Speaker 1: I watched it. I mean there was a berth there
Speaker 1: between ninety eight and two thousand and seven. I mean
Speaker 1: there was money in this game. I mean you want
Speaker 1: to negotiate a contract. It was out there and it
Speaker 1: was unbelievable the amount of money people were making. But
Speaker 1: it stopped. I mean it slowed down, and it slowed
Speaker 1: down to a point now to levels that I don't
Speaker 1: I'm not comfortable with at all, right, And I don't
Speaker 1: think the tour knows that. I think they're trying to
Speaker 1: go up sustainability is a big thing, right, and that's
Speaker 1: my concern with it. Can they sustain this thing? They don't.
Speaker 1: There's not another Tiger. We were talking about the other day.
Speaker 1: When Tiger was playing on TV, they showed him do everything,
Speaker 1: get a drink of water, you know, scratch himself. It
Speaker 1: didn't matter. The camera was on Tiger and it was great.
Speaker 1: And now Scotti Scheffler, I mean, who was having a
Speaker 1: Tiger like career right now and they are doing the
Speaker 1: same thing. Here's Scotty Scheffer for par from four inches.
Speaker 1: Well that's not Tiger. They don't don't show a Scotty
Speaker 1: Scheffer making four inch, but show me somebody else. TV
Speaker 1: kind of got locked in, well here's our next big star.
Speaker 1: We'll show you him to do everything. People don't care.
Speaker 1: And I hear it all the time, and I think
Speaker 1: it was either I don't know who came out with this,
Speaker 1: but it's hard to pick those players apart out there now.
Speaker 1: I mean, they all look very similar. It's you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's mind boggling. But there's not much personality
Speaker 1: on the PGA tour now. It's just kind of I'm
Speaker 1: not saying robotic, but getting there. And I think what
Speaker 1: people don't realize is the PGA Tour is an entertainment product.
Speaker 1: It is not a major. Maybe they're Players Championship. I've
Speaker 1: always considered a major. The Players Championship probably the best
Speaker 1: one of the best field in golf. It's hard to
Speaker 1: be a major. So there's four majors. Are the majors, right?
Speaker 1: But every thing other than the Players Championship is an
Speaker 1: entertainment property. It's not a major. It should pay like one.
Speaker 1: As I said, I think most people would play majors
Speaker 1: without a paycheck. It's that has that much thing. So
Speaker 1: I don't know why they worry about keeping up with purse.
Speaker 2: When a major changes your life, it.
Speaker 1: Does, and I mean you become a major winner, and
Speaker 1: that's a big thing, a big thing in life. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, and again I think that's up to the
Speaker 1: PGA Tour to figure out that, hey, we're not the
Speaker 1: Masters and we're not the Open. We're an entertainment property,
Speaker 1: and these entertainment properties the pro You know, the last
Speaker 1: four years, I'm not sure the PGA Tour has done
Speaker 1: anything to try to create a better product for the consumer.
Speaker 1: It looks like me they've done everything trying to save
Speaker 1: their jobs and protect, you know, protect something that I
Speaker 1: don't know. And that sounds bad, but it's just it
Speaker 1: just looks true because the product hasn't changed. And one
Speaker 1: of the things we'll go back to TGL thing. One
Speaker 1: of the things I love is that Marty guy. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry I keep remembers last night. I should, but Scott
Speaker 1: van Pelt. I mean having them announce, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh that's fun. And obviously I loved Jim Natz, but
Speaker 1: some of the other people they put out there. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a guy named John McGinnis that used to play
Speaker 1: the tour. I'd have him on the sixteenth Tower. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's smart and funny as you can make him. I would.
Speaker 1: I would stretch the envelope of who I would put
Speaker 1: in these towers. Get some guys like the Gary McCords
Speaker 1: used to be. I want to hear have some fun.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know what I know, he pulled it left.
Speaker 1: I can see that on TV. But give me something
Speaker 1: like you know. That's why I love your Pin Tour.
Speaker 1: Your Pin Tour announcers are absolutely and that's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: but they've gone. They seem to get guys that are
Speaker 1: good at golf, like Faldough, great record, but come on,
Speaker 1: I mean, not that entertaining. You know, Johnny Miller was entertaining.
Speaker 1: Paul Aisinger was entertaining, you know. I I mean because
Speaker 1: they're not scared. They'll tell you what they think, right.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying Nick wouldn't, I'm not. But but again,
Speaker 1: the product that you're giving to your consumer is so
Speaker 1: important when you're an entertainment product. And that's what the
Speaker 1: tour is.
Speaker 2: And yeah, we've had Barney Adams multiple times come on
Speaker 2: and say, listen, the PGA Tour is a TV show. Yeah,
Speaker 2: start there.
Speaker 1: Stark there, there's I don't need the Savannah bananas. Savannah bananas,
Speaker 1: I don't love them. My daughter lives just down the
Speaker 1: street from the stadium, and I haven't met this Jesse guy.
Speaker 1: I want to so bad because I watched his his
Speaker 1: I don't know podcast, Ted talks wherever he does and
Speaker 1: he goes. You know, what we did was created something
Speaker 1: that people wanted to see first and work backwards. That's
Speaker 1: a really funny op know. I'm thinking, Wow, you know,
Speaker 1: what if people really want to see at a professional
Speaker 1: golf event? What if we went and found that out
Speaker 1: and then gave that to him and then work backwards
Speaker 1: instead of Okay, this is what you're gonna do. You're
Speaker 1: gonna watch the top fifty players and they're gonna play
Speaker 1: for some scene amount of money and don't get close
Speaker 1: to them, don't talk, get behind the ropes and watch
Speaker 1: them playing there all this money, and then we're all
Speaker 1: gonna make a bunch of money. Thanks for coming. Not
Speaker 1: how I would create an entertainment product. I think this
Speaker 1: should call Jesse and say, man, what do you think
Speaker 1: we should do? And maybe it's not as cooped up
Speaker 1: as that is, but I'll tell you one thing. They
Speaker 1: sell out every major league stadium and they go to
Speaker 1: sell it.
Speaker 2: Out and now they're right and they're doing tours now.
Speaker 2: I mean next time they have caught on they sold Boston.
Speaker 2: Thank you YouTube.
Speaker 1: Okay, And if you go to Savannah and you want
Speaker 1: to go buy a ticket, well good luck. They're priced
Speaker 1: out for years. Wow years. Great and Becaus is a
Speaker 1: fun entertainment product. And I'm not going to associate that
Speaker 1: with live. They're not Savannah Bananas, but they are different.
Speaker 1: They are showing you incredible talent. It's incredible God. But
Speaker 1: the product is different. There's music, it's got a little
Speaker 1: more task to it. And and again.
Speaker 2: I can't see any golf product being irreverent. And I
Speaker 2: think that's the thing about the Savannah Bananas. Is there irreverence.
Speaker 2: And and they're not flipping their nose at Major League Baseball.
Speaker 2: They're just saying, Hey, we're just out here to have
Speaker 2: a good time. This is fun. We're just gonna be
Speaker 2: silly about that. And I promise I can't see live
Speaker 2: doing that. I can't see, you know, maybe TGL. I
Speaker 2: mean the fact that they have on TGL. They have
Speaker 2: all these guys miked up and you can hear them
Speaker 2: the banter and you hear them. Hopefully we'll see a
Speaker 2: competitive match soon instead of these blowouts both of them
Speaker 2: first two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. That's that is. It's a momentum game,
Speaker 1: I guess. Well, but anyway, I think there's just a
Speaker 1: lot I think Panavidro the PG Tours got a lot
Speaker 1: of they got a little lot of soul searching the
Speaker 1: figure out really what do they have right? And when
Speaker 1: Tiger showed up, they really looked like they were good
Speaker 1: at what they were doing. And it's kind of what
Speaker 1: I do for a living managing golfer. When when Davis
Speaker 1: Love or Justin Leonard Wrenning majors, I was an incredible negotiator,
Speaker 1: you have no idea. But when guys start missing cuts
Speaker 1: and you know, finishing one hundredth on the money list,
Speaker 1: you know, my negotiating skills go out the window. And
Speaker 1: and it's kind of like a caddie. You know how
Speaker 1: great a caddy is, well, got a lot to do,
Speaker 1: how good that guy is playing? All right? And so
Speaker 1: that's just you know, like I say, I'm hoping hoping
Speaker 1: that you know, the PGA Tour, because that's where a
Speaker 1: majority of my clients play. They figure it out and
Speaker 1: pulling for him. But I don't have any saying that,
Speaker 1: and so I'm just I'm a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of hoping right now.
Speaker 2: Moments ago you talked about how they the TV and
Speaker 2: the PGA Tour, they followed Tigers every single move, but
Speaker 2: they missed one in twenty twelve, twenty four that I think,
Speaker 2: I think is what happened. I have my own personal
Speaker 2: rule of when you're playing with your buddies and you're
Speaker 2: on a par three, nobody's supposed to be going up
Speaker 2: against a tree and peeing with their back to your shot.
Speaker 2: Because the only time I had a hole in one,
Speaker 2: my friend was my friend missed the whole thing because
Speaker 2: he was pink. So I think when Charlie hit the
Speaker 2: hole in one at the PNC in twenty twenty four
Speaker 2: and the Tiger wasn't there, it wasn't the PNC at
Speaker 2: that point, it was p and and didn't see. I
Speaker 2: personally think tiger was in the bathroom and he missed
Speaker 2: the whole thing.
Speaker 1: My gosh, you never think about the rule is you
Speaker 1: can't relieve yourself on part three? It's par four. No
Speaker 1: never ever, that's a really good idea. Yeah, I gotta
Speaker 1: tell you, I it's fun watching that. I again, I
Speaker 1: agree with you Charlie, the ability to have the expectations
Speaker 1: that are on him already just because who his dad is,
Speaker 1: Because you know, I watched Drew Love, you know, and
Speaker 1: Bill Haas and Jack Nicholas, you know, Junior or Gary Nicholas.
Speaker 1: I mean playing against immortal fathers with that kind of expectations.
Speaker 1: And I tell people expectations probably ruined more careers than anything,
Speaker 1: And it's why people get the yips from two feet
Speaker 1: and not nine feet. You don't get the yips from
Speaker 1: nine feet because you don't expect to make everybody Charlie.
Speaker 1: I mean, the ability to go out in front of
Speaker 1: crowds pull it off with that kind of expectations. And
Speaker 1: maybe he doesn't have him maybe he knows that. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm probably not going to be as good as my dad,
Speaker 1: and if he is, it'd be great. I mean, who's
Speaker 1: going to be as good as that? But you're exactly right,
Speaker 1: I that is a fun thing to watch. I love
Speaker 1: watching Onnica play with hers Lin and you know, and Trevino.
Speaker 1: I man, if.
Speaker 2: They Bernhard's wanted six years.
Speaker 1: Now, golly well, I just want to know his diet.
Speaker 1: I want to know what he drinks. I want everybody
Speaker 1: said they should just put that out. He should sell
Speaker 1: whatever he does. But yeah, I you know, look, if
Speaker 1: Trevino played in every tgo match, the amount of people
Speaker 1: what he's still that funny, that talented that. I mean,
Speaker 1: there should be more of those people and that that's
Speaker 1: one of the scary things right now that I see
Speaker 1: in goth Is. I represent this kid named Julia and
Speaker 1: Perico from Peru. He's his close stop scene to Lee Trevino,
Speaker 1: A viny bodyers saying it's got a different swing. I
Speaker 1: mean powerful, big kid. But we'll talk to you why
Speaker 1: he's swinging, has no regard for not having fun. It's
Speaker 1: is if he ever remember the name, if he hits,
Speaker 1: if he wins something big, he'll be He'll be as
Speaker 1: big as Ricky Fowler. He has got that kind of personality.
Speaker 1: And that really has concerns me is that. I know
Speaker 1: it's a serious game and they've got to pay attention.
Speaker 1: But but man, I mean there's there's a lot a
Speaker 1: lot of clones out there. They look exactly the same,
Speaker 1: but that's gonna say. When these are kids and watching
Speaker 1: their parents play with their kids, they're different. I mean
Speaker 1: they act different, right, all of them. I mean, Honka
Speaker 1: was serious, I thought play it, but she's having fun
Speaker 1: with her son. You can see that it's fun for her.
Speaker 1: And I know Mike, her husband, who is just a
Speaker 1: great guy and he but yeah, I think maybe every
Speaker 1: event doesn't have to be the same on the PGA tour,
Speaker 1: maybe sometimes we could do some different things. But again,
Speaker 1: they've got control of that product. They just take all
Speaker 1: they just take a billion and a half dollars investment
Speaker 1: and we'll see what they do with it. But I
Speaker 1: hope they created an incredible product because I certainly wouldn't
Speaker 1: mind sponsors start coming out of the woodwork again like
Speaker 1: they used to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, golf, parody in golf is what golf is. It's parody.
Speaker 2: It's not like, you know, you have a dominant figure
Speaker 2: or anything. But when someone like Tiger comes along and
Speaker 2: breaks that like Scotti Scheffler did, right, you know, it
Speaker 2: changes everything and draws attention to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: It's it's like teams that dominate create passion on both sides.
Speaker 2: Like look at look at how the Yankees. People love
Speaker 2: to hate the Yankees.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna hate Scotty Scheffler. Probably one of the
Speaker 1: nicest guys on earth, and him getting arrested was private.
Speaker 2: But no one's going to copy Scotty Scheffler. Who's going
Speaker 2: to be copying with Scotty Scheffler. I mean basketball, everyone's
Speaker 2: trying to be Steph Curry now at every age they're
Speaker 2: shooting three pointers. And he changed the game, but nobody's
Speaker 2: I can't imagine that. He's just gonna go, all right,
Speaker 2: here's going to do with your feet todays? Right, He's
Speaker 2: he's unique, well, and but he's succeeding. That's what's so interesting,
Speaker 2: because that doesn't happen on the tour.
Speaker 1: A really funny thing is that his teacher is the
Speaker 1: teacher that taught Justin Leonard, Randy Smith down in Texas,
Speaker 1: probably one of the most I mean, I mean, but
Speaker 1: Charmond Well, I will always say he's the best teacher,
Speaker 1: Randy Smith. He should be the second most famous teacher
Speaker 1: in the world. He taught Justin Leonard, Harrison Fraser, and
Speaker 1: it goes on and on, Gary Woodland. But I'll just
Speaker 1: but Randy Smith is an instructor that taught Justin Leonard.
Speaker 1: If you've ever seen him, I mean, justin swing is
Speaker 1: the opposite of Scotti Scheffer. Justin was in complete balance,
Speaker 1: I mean, sturdy as you could be and Scotty and
Speaker 1: but that's what I call a great instructor is he
Speaker 1: didn't get in their way of being them. We talked earlier,
Speaker 1: you and I before we get on here about swing.
Speaker 1: Your swing. It'll hold up. Your swing will hold up
Speaker 1: under pressure. If it's your swing. It may not be
Speaker 1: good enough to win a club championship, but it's your swing.
Speaker 1: It's the people that try to create another swing that
Speaker 1: that's not the who they are. Scotty Scheffer's swing is
Speaker 1: not going to break down under pressure because that's his swing.
Speaker 1: Justin's does not breakdown. And when you see people starting
Speaker 1: to tinker in their golf swing and change what they are,
Speaker 1: that's when they start breaking down under pressure, right. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean nobody's gonna copy. Nobody copies Jack Nicholas's putting stock.
Speaker 1: I mean, the best, one of the best putters ever
Speaker 1: under pressure. And you think you would see one guy
Speaker 1: out there that just I'm gonna do it like Jack?
Speaker 1: But yeah, but again, I remember in the eighties or seventies,
Speaker 1: who's the next Nicholas. I remember that it was going
Speaker 1: to be Bobby Clampitt, it was gonna be Gary Hallberg,
Speaker 1: it was gonna be John Cook. I mean, how many
Speaker 1: next Nicholases did they point out? Right, some of us
Speaker 1: cause of their hair color some of it, But whoever
Speaker 1: dominated at that point. Bobby Clampitt was so good and
Speaker 1: and Gary Halberg I think that might have been one
Speaker 1: of the greatest classes ever seventy nine if you go
Speaker 1: back and look, if you go that far back, I'm
Speaker 1: agent myself. But and who's the next Nicholas, And there
Speaker 1: was not a next Nicholas. It wasn't going to be,
Speaker 1: but one popped up. But it was a lot later
Speaker 1: than they ever dreamed. So maybe in another fifteen years
Speaker 1: somebody shows up. I don't think so. And I'll tell
Speaker 1: you why. The training these kids are getting now from
Speaker 1: around the world from an early age, we got track man's,
Speaker 1: we got spin rates, we got it. Used to be
Speaker 1: only the tour players had had access to all those things.
Speaker 1: They had access to the best clubs, the best shafts,
Speaker 1: the best you know. Now anyone can have the same
Speaker 1: stuff done. Clubs built exactly to spects. So they're learning
Speaker 1: a lot quicker and a lot earlier. So talent wise,
Speaker 1: like physically hitting a golf ball, there's millions of more
Speaker 1: people to have the ability to play pro golf, right So,
Speaker 1: and I have a T shirt that is actually being
Speaker 1: printed now because and I say that because people ask
Speaker 1: me what is it that separates them? And I go, mind,
Speaker 1: heart and balls, and I don't mean golf balls. And
Speaker 1: because all of them can hit it a long way,
Speaker 1: all of them can dial their irons in and their
Speaker 1: wedge distances in with track Man or you know, those things,
Speaker 1: But who can handle the pressure, who can handle the expectations,
Speaker 1: you know, who can handle all the things that go
Speaker 1: in winning. And that's where you're going to see a separation.
Speaker 1: I don't know Tiger's dad with Special Forces. I use
Speaker 1: two former Navy seals to help performance of our clients
Speaker 1: because that's about what they're doing out there. So the
Speaker 1: next that's the only training method. It's left is mental
Speaker 1: training and mental training GOP is. You know, the time
Speaker 1: people see a psychiatrist or a sports psychiatrist, if there's
Speaker 1: a such thing, is when they have a problem, right,
Speaker 1: and so so it's it's going to be to create
Speaker 1: an entertaining product, you're going to have to have an
Speaker 1: entertaining person, entertainer. People are going to have to be authentic,
Speaker 1: and you know, can it happen? I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: One of the things that I wrote down that I
Speaker 2: wanted to talk about with you was to recap twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four. But we've kind of been doing that all
Speaker 2: the way through. But what did we learn in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four that we can bring to twenty twenty five
Speaker 2: and take advantage of.
Speaker 1: Take advantage of I think we've learned that the viewership,
Speaker 1: the viewing god viewing viewership in the world is kind
Speaker 1: of tired of hearing about money. I think we can
Speaker 1: stop that. I think I think we can learn that
Speaker 1: we can all get along. I think you saw at
Speaker 1: the PGA Championship that rips Kepta and Bryce and de
Speaker 1: Chambeau and these guys can get along with each other.
Speaker 1: They're fine, It's going to be okay. They chose different paths,
Speaker 1: and I'm hoping we learned that maybe this should happen
Speaker 1: across the board, because I'll tell you right now, if
Speaker 1: I owned a tour and I could have the opportunity
Speaker 1: to have the personalities that play on play a few
Speaker 1: of my events, I'd want them out there. So I
Speaker 1: hope we've learned that. Maybe from the PGA Championship we
Speaker 1: learned that, and we'll learn it from the Masters.
Speaker 2: Well, you and I have proven that we can just
Speaker 2: talk for a long time together. We get into topics
Speaker 2: and you always seem to have a response, which is
Speaker 2: so much fun for me, and I really appreciate you
Speaker 2: you sharing that time. But it's golf. Smart is not
Speaker 2: the only place that you're making your regular appearances to
Speaker 2: discuss these things. You have a radio show.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, well Lucas Glover has a radio show, and okay,
Speaker 1: and Scott Greenstein from ser S XM, since he won
Speaker 1: the Open and US Opening nine in New York, has
Speaker 1: tried to get him to do it. And the producer
Speaker 1: Taylor's other he did a show with Dale Junior, Daryl
Speaker 1: Arnhardt Jr. And his manager a podcast, and so it
Speaker 1: was kind of like, Okay, why don't we have Lucas
Speaker 1: and his manager do it. So I'm kind of a
Speaker 1: co host or kind of a subn or an Ed
Speaker 1: McMahon type figure. So we get on there spoil. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I mean Lucas, like I said, Lucas is a
Speaker 1: smart cat, and he's fun and we're obviously terrific friends.
Speaker 1: We've been together for a long time and and and everybody,
Speaker 1: like I said I mentioned earlier, I'm kind of the
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan of goth I like to go on rats
Speaker 1: about stuff. And it doesn't mean I'm right, and I'm
Speaker 1: not concerned if I am or not, but it's just
Speaker 1: what I think. At my age, I get to do that.
Speaker 1: And we even have a segment called old Man, Get
Speaker 1: Off My Lawn. And I get and we both rent,
Speaker 1: but it's kind of set up for me to go
Speaker 1: at it and say things that, you know, the way
Speaker 1: I see them. I get lots of messages people that
Speaker 1: agree with me, and I get a lot of messages
Speaker 1: don't agree with me, and neither one cares. I could
Speaker 1: carry the wise because I'm not being I'm not being mean.
Speaker 1: I'm just being honest about what I think. So it's fun.
Speaker 1: We love it. It's it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: How long you've been doing with him?
Speaker 1: We started last year, So I'm trying to think our
Speaker 1: first show it was is it weekly?
Speaker 2: Is it it's.
Speaker 1: Getting more weekly? Yeah, we did the first with as
Speaker 1: many and it was kind of did Lucas like it?
Speaker 1: And and uh and and in reality, I mean, there
Speaker 1: was some methods to the madness. Lucas I think would
Speaker 1: be one of the best TV broadcasters ever because he
Speaker 1: is smart, and he's witty, very he's a very funny guy.
Speaker 1: But he's an honest guy. He's authentic and a little
Speaker 1: bit it was to see how he liked being in
Speaker 1: front of that microphone and.
Speaker 2: Well, he's not really animated, he's at least not on
Speaker 2: the microphone because I heard the I heard the series
Speaker 2: that on him that Matchanella did. I've heard it multiple times.
Speaker 1: He's no, he's getting more amped up. He he good,
Speaker 1: he's amped I mean, it's just like live, it's gonna
Speaker 1: take some time, it's gonna he's getting more comfortable. He's
Speaker 1: an incredible interviewer. We have guests on and he interviews
Speaker 1: him and it's fun to do him ask questions and
Speaker 1: I mean he yeah, and he's and you know, he
Speaker 1: does research and stuff and so it's not just like
Speaker 1: he's just not guessing on it. But he has really
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. And I have too. I mean, I mean he's,
Speaker 1: like I said, he's of my best friends in the world.
Speaker 1: And I love hanging out with him, listening with him,
Speaker 1: and we have dinner most of the time for together,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, I've enjoyed it. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm hurting him more helping him, but you know, we'll
Speaker 1: say they kicked me off, will know I was hurting.
Speaker 2: Listen. If you're getting emails, if you're getting you know,
Speaker 2: messages from listeners, good or bad, you're engaging. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: that means that they they have some passion about absolutely,
Speaker 2: trust me.
Speaker 1: I know, I know it's good in bad publicity, right.
Speaker 2: Right, right, exactly exactly. You mentioned to me also before
Speaker 2: we started recording, that you're writing a book. Yeah, well,
Speaker 2: let's talk about that.
Speaker 1: If anybody knows me, they know I've been writing it forever.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd probably spouted out so long they're probably
Speaker 1: tired of me. Yeah, I I've got a lot in me,
Speaker 1: as you know talking to me. My dad was, you know,
Speaker 1: played some pro baseball and became a minister in the
Speaker 1: United or formerly United Methodist Church. And they're not united anymore.
Speaker 1: But my dad, and he was a Buddha to me.
Speaker 1: He taught me life. He taught me to the point
Speaker 1: that I went to the same undergrade college at High
Speaker 1: Point University he did. And my dad went so late
Speaker 1: that that I actually studied the theology under the same
Speaker 1: professors he did.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And and the big joke was that, you know, one
Speaker 1: time I called my dad and said that, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about maybe following his footsteps. I loved what
Speaker 1: he did, you know. And and he after he quit
Speaker 1: laughing and got up off the floor. Because I was
Speaker 1: not known to go inside of those buildings that have
Speaker 1: altars and pews and organs. I won't call them churches.
Speaker 1: But but I just that didn't appeal to me. But
Speaker 1: I did appeal to my dad's way of life. And
Speaker 1: when he said it, he said, son, I'm not a preacher.
Speaker 1: I'm a minister, and and minister means to serve, and
Speaker 1: you can serve from anywhere, so don't. And my last
Speaker 1: conversation with my dad in two thousand and eight, a
Speaker 1: few weeks before he passed away suddenly was he looked
Speaker 1: at me, he said, you became a minister, Bud. And
Speaker 1: I was like, really, and he goes, yeah, you remember
Speaker 1: you used to tell me No one comes to my
Speaker 1: house to tell me how things are going great. They
Speaker 1: only call me when there's a problem. And he goes,
Speaker 1: and being around you when you answer the phone, you
Speaker 1: not many clients call you and say, hey, I just
Speaker 1: want to let you know I'm playing great. Life is wonderful,
Speaker 1: and something's happened. And I looked at him and I said,
Speaker 1: I really did become a missioner, and.
Speaker 2: So that's pretty powerful exchange.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and with your dad. So I've never been like
Speaker 1: anyone else in this business. I didn't. I don't do
Speaker 1: it for money. I'm not. I don't care about that
Speaker 1: part of it. I really care about these young men
Speaker 1: and women that I get to represent and try to
Speaker 1: help them through life, not just through God. They know
Speaker 1: what to do on the golf course, it's all the
Speaker 1: other things. And most of them have never had a job.
Speaker 1: Most of them played golf since they were four. They're
Speaker 1: insulated to life. And what people don't realize on the
Speaker 1: outside is they go through everything that all of us
Speaker 1: go through. They go through deaths and the families and
Speaker 1: divorces and the highest highs and the lowest lows, and
Speaker 1: I'm usually get to be a part of all of them.
Speaker 1: I'm the ABC Sports you know that thrill of victory
Speaker 1: and agony of defeat. You know, I get it all.
Speaker 1: And I've enjoyed the contrast of that. I've been through
Speaker 1: some incredibly great things, and I've been through some things
Speaker 1: that I don't so tragic that I never want to
Speaker 1: go through again. And so through what my dad taught
Speaker 1: me and then what I've always had this way of
Speaker 1: relating goth and life, and every lesson in life and
Speaker 1: every lesson in God are almost parallel. And everything you
Speaker 1: got to do to be a good golfer. You've got
Speaker 1: to do to live a good life. I mean, you've
Speaker 1: got to be dedicated, you've got to be consistent. You've
Speaker 1: got to be religious. And I don't mean religious in
Speaker 1: a sense of religious like of a Christianity or Buddhism.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about religiously do things. I mean most of
Speaker 1: us religiously brush our teeth right, But when you're going
Speaker 1: to be great at something, you've got to do certain
Speaker 1: things religiously. I mean you've got to get up and
Speaker 1: do things and be committed. And so I've always had
Speaker 1: all these disciplined Yeah, all these stories that I relate
Speaker 1: to God. I told you one about Justin Leonard that
Speaker 1: taught me something that's life. And so I have been
Speaker 1: putting them together forever, forever and never, and just recently
Speaker 1: what I needed was a title. I know that sounds kooky.
Speaker 1: And Michael Bamberger who told me that everyone has a
Speaker 1: book in them and that's where they shug remain. And
Speaker 1: I hope Michael's not mad at me for not letting
Speaker 1: keeping mind inside. But these stories that it's like a
Speaker 1: motivational book, but it has to have GoF involved because
Speaker 1: that's what I'm known for I'm known from my experience
Speaker 1: of thirty four years in goth and behind the doors
Speaker 1: and knowing things, and someone finally came up. The title
Speaker 1: of the book is going to be called Parts for
Speaker 1: GoF because I've got a good buddy that calls me
Speaker 1: parts and he's the one that tells me, man, would
Speaker 1: you write your book? Would you just write your book?
Speaker 1: And it's really what it is. It's par for God.
Speaker 1: There's just it's the par of par for par for
Speaker 1: the course. And my parts for the course is kind
Speaker 1: of like telling you life is everything that happens is
Speaker 1: par for the course. I mean, people will tell you
Speaker 1: I've got a misstic connection and had to spend the
Speaker 1: night in a hotel as I did last night, I
Speaker 1: mean in the airport, and that's just par for the course.
Speaker 1: That's what life is. And what we try to teach
Speaker 1: our guys is that you know the outcome of life.
Speaker 1: We know the outcome, We know where this ends, right,
Speaker 1: And you know when you travel on a highway that
Speaker 1: you could get caught in a traffic jam. You know
Speaker 1: that when your caddy gives you a club, you could
Speaker 1: be the wrong club. You could hit it in the water.
Speaker 1: These are all outcomes of your life. Why do they
Speaker 1: call so much anxiety and so much anger? You should
Speaker 1: already be accustomed to the outcomes that are possible with
Speaker 1: anything you pursue. So if you fly on a public airline,
Speaker 1: expect cancelations and delays and misconnections. Don't let it bother you.
Speaker 1: Just move through it. And that's the journey. And that
Speaker 1: is the contrast. So long answer to your thing, I
Speaker 1: finally have got them pretty much all compiled at an
Speaker 1: editor and I'm going to pop it out there and
Speaker 1: it might sell ten books. I didn't really, I'm not
Speaker 1: writing it to sell it, as those people tell me.
Speaker 1: I'm writing it to get it out of me so
Speaker 1: I can quit thinking about it.
Speaker 2: So that's interesting.
Speaker 1: We'll see.
Speaker 2: So I'm sure that you have an office where you live,
Speaker 2: but you're not in it now. You're in a hotel room.
Speaker 2: Give me an overview of what your life is like.
Speaker 2: Your schedule is like during the golf season or is
Speaker 2: it twelve months a year like that?
Speaker 1: It's pretty much twelve months a year. Well, I am
Speaker 1: very lucky. I am really fortunate. I'm in I mean
Speaker 1: catch on Idaho, Sun Valley, Idaho. I snowboard. I snowboard religiously.
Speaker 1: It is my that is my passionate life is I
Speaker 1: snowboard every moment I can, the mountains right behind me. Here.
Speaker 1: I base in the winter in Idaho. And as I said,
Speaker 1: I flew from Monday. I flew to the American Express
Speaker 1: as I would if I wherever I was, I would
Speaker 1: be there Funday and I leave Thursday. That's I go
Speaker 1: to the terminal Monday and come home Thursday. Once they
Speaker 1: start playing, I'm out of there. They've got their job
Speaker 1: to do. So I base here in Idaho. I am
Speaker 1: very fortunate. I've got a great base in friends here.
Speaker 1: Otherwise I'm in St. Simon's Island, Georgia, which is another
Speaker 1: incredible resort. So I'm so I base there. But if
Speaker 1: I'm not in the office, which if everybody knows, I
Speaker 1: really don't have an office. I have people that have offices.
Speaker 1: I usually just set in one of their offices because
Speaker 1: my phone is my office. And but I travel to
Speaker 1: tour events, quite a few tour events. Because I've got
Speaker 1: players on the PGA Tour, I've got players on the
Speaker 1: LIB Tour, I got players on the Cornfrair Tour. I
Speaker 1: have players on the Challenge Tour, on the DP World Tour,
Speaker 1: on the Asian Tour. Now, I have partners that live
Speaker 1: in Europe that handle most of those over there. I've
Speaker 1: got partners right now in Dubai at that tournament, and
Speaker 1: I have partners that will be at San Diego. So
Speaker 1: someone in my company will be on site pretty much
Speaker 1: every event. Not you know, it's like anything else, it's
Speaker 1: just it's your they're your they're your clients, and they're
Speaker 1: your friends, and you want to be there some and
Speaker 1: catch on what's going on. And we've you know, there's
Speaker 1: several of us in this company, so we don't all
Speaker 1: have to travel every week. But so about every third
Speaker 1: or fourth week, I'm out on a tour event until
Speaker 1: until Florida. As Greg Norman says, the tour starts in Florida.
Speaker 1: Coming to Florida, I'm I'm at five out of six
Speaker 1: events a week. And why is that? Because we're building
Speaker 1: up to Augusta and when the Masters happens. When you
Speaker 1: go to the Masters, that's what kicks it off. And
Speaker 1: you've already kind of laid ground work for your clients,
Speaker 1: You've got the stuff done, and then at the Masters,
Speaker 1: everyone that's involved in golf. Well, if it's every corporation,
Speaker 1: we'll be there. So that's when you have to be there.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's like you're conspicuous by your absence.
Speaker 1: You have to be at these events. And so that's
Speaker 1: pretty much my life is like throughout the year, I'm
Speaker 1: never working and I'm never on vacation and people I
Speaker 1: have had people go, he's all screwing off in the mountains.
Speaker 1: And now I've been on the phone all day doing
Speaker 1: my job. And if i can sneak out and snowboard
Speaker 1: for a few hours, absolutely I do. And if I'm
Speaker 1: at home with Saint Simon's, everybody knows you'll see me
Speaker 1: on the back of the range at Frederica, you know,
Speaker 1: hitting swinging in silly golf swing and trying to hit
Speaker 1: golf balls. It's kind of my man yoga. It's the
Speaker 1: greatest job and it's the worst job. And when I
Speaker 1: speak at sports marketing classes, I write on the board
Speaker 1: everybody wants the job they think I have. You know,
Speaker 1: you better love it because you know I'm sleeping on
Speaker 1: floors in the airport sometimes to get back and again
Speaker 1: ninety percent of the time, if a client's calling me
Speaker 1: is not calling me to tell me how good things are.
Speaker 1: Something's happened, right, and and but again, I you know,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm here for, right, I'm here. And if
Speaker 1: it's not them, it could be a spouse. If it's
Speaker 1: not a spouse, it could be a parent. And I'm
Speaker 1: there for all of them because it takes a village
Speaker 1: to raise a pro goffers. I tell them.
Speaker 2: I just had a schedule to call today to talk
Speaker 2: to a young man who's at Carlton College and he
Speaker 2: he wants to be in the sports business, and because
Speaker 2: he's a huge sports fan, and I'm telling him, well,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, I wanted this conversation. It's like, do
Speaker 2: you love sports, Because if you love sports, be a fan.
Speaker 2: If you love the sports business, then we can have
Speaker 2: this conversation. Absolutely, it's a very different thing because if
Speaker 2: you're a fan and you start working in it, you're
Speaker 2: gonna end up hating the sport because of the amount
Speaker 2: of hours and the little pay that you're going to
Speaker 2: make doing.
Speaker 1: That, and a lot of pro goffers in it. That way,
Speaker 1: it becomes a job and you don't see him small anymore,
Speaker 1: And you know, it's sad. I hate to see it
Speaker 1: when it becomes a job that these guys. Hey, look,
Speaker 1: I have people, honestly that think, you know that I'm
Speaker 1: not working, and because I enjoy it so much, I'm
Speaker 1: having fun. I even, you know, sometimes I'm like a
Speaker 1: duck in my feet or kicking under into the water
Speaker 1: like crazy. But I'm not going to let you know it.
Speaker 1: And but I've made you know. As I said, I've
Speaker 1: always told people that if you don't love your job
Speaker 1: enough to where people can't tell when you're working and
Speaker 1: when you're not, you're probably in the wrong job. And
Speaker 1: I got lucky. I you know, it's all luck. I
Speaker 1: had no intention in college of doing this. I turned
Speaker 1: out to be okay at it, and you know, and
Speaker 1: then I've built around it. I love the snowboard. Well
Speaker 1: guess when GoF has least played in the winter time.
Speaker 1: You know, Christmas is my favorite time. I'm going to
Speaker 1: get five or six days that no one's going to
Speaker 1: bother me except maybe wish me happy Merry Christmas, and
Speaker 1: I'd get my kids out and we go hang out,
Speaker 1: and I get that moment. But my have I answered
Speaker 1: a phone call from a client on every day of
Speaker 1: the year before absolutely, Christmas Day, New Year's Day, three
Speaker 1: in the morning, absolutely in its own and it will
Speaker 1: stay on when I'm snowboarding. If you call me and
Speaker 1: your name, because it tells me who's on the phone.
Speaker 1: If it's somebody I want to talk to, I answered
Speaker 1: down on to where everyone's slope and talk to him.
Speaker 1: What do you need or not? Or I get or
Speaker 1: I'm known to get on the gondola and write an
Speaker 1: email or send a proposal and get off snowboard and
Speaker 1: come back do it again. So I tell everyone. Look,
Speaker 1: I know I'm lucky in the since I get to
Speaker 1: do that. But you know, but I tell anybody, whatever
Speaker 1: you're doing, try to make it to where they can't
Speaker 1: tell you're working. If not, get do something else. But
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people that have jobs just
Speaker 1: to make the money, and I you know, that's that's okay.
Speaker 1: But I mean, yeah, I mean it doesn't. It doesn't
Speaker 1: appeal to me. I don't. I certainly don't. I have
Speaker 1: a lot. You can imagine how many people call me
Speaker 1: and want to get into my business. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: had surgeons call me that want to get out of surgery,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, you know you're really good at that.
Speaker 1: I think what I do would drive ninety percent of
Speaker 1: the people in the world crazy because I'm never off
Speaker 1: and Friday nights at seven or but I don't want
Speaker 1: to be. These are my clients. I signed up for this.
Speaker 1: I don't sign people I don't like either, So people goes,
Speaker 1: why do you have to have dinner with these guys?
Speaker 1: I want to see how they treat their waiters and
Speaker 1: there's water people, because you know I'm going to be
Speaker 1: serving them too. I want to see how they treat
Speaker 1: people at serve them. But you know that's the other
Speaker 1: thing about golf. I mean, you know this, friend, ninety
Speaker 1: nine percent of people in golf are great people. They're fun,
Speaker 1: they're different. Some of them are nicer than others. But
Speaker 1: golf tracks really cool people.
Speaker 2: Well, you want to talk about lucky, I would have
Speaker 2: to say that I am incredibly lucky because you cross
Speaker 2: my path. I feel I just enjoy so much. You know,
Speaker 2: we record for over an hour, but we talk a
Speaker 2: lot more than that, and I really appreciate your time.
Speaker 1: Then thank you man, Thanks so much for having me out.
Speaker 1: You're the best. I appreciated