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Speaker 1: Hi. This is father John Canaro from Oswego, New York,

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and I play in Oswego Country Club. This is Golf

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Speaker 2: What did we learn in twenty twenty four that we

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can bring to twenty twenty five and take advantage of?

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Speaker 1: Take advantage of. I think we've learned that the viewership

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in the world is kind of tired of hearing about money.

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I think we can stop that. I think we can

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learn that we can all get along. I think you

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sought the PGA Championship that rips Koepka and Bryce and

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d Chambeau and these guys can get along with each other.

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They're fine, It's going to be okay. And I'm hoping

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we learned that maybe this should happen across the board.

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I'll tell you right now, if I owned a tour

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and I could have the opportunity to have the personalities

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that play on with play a few of my events,

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I'd want them out there. I hope we've learned that.

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Maybe from the PGA Championship, we learned that, and we'll

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learn it from the Masters.

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Speaker 2: Pro Golf in the twenty first century, can TGL lead

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the way the return of golf Agent Mac Barnhardt. This

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is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from great

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golf minds to help you lower your score and raise

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your golf IQ. There's your host, Fred Green. Welcome back

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to the Golf Smarter podcast. Mac.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Brad. Great to be back, sir. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: It's great to have you back. I had so much

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fun last time and quoted you so many times from

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your last episode that I was like, could not wait

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to get you back on.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for you. I'm very honored for that. I really

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do appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: So there's so many topics I want to go over

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but right now, and I don't usually do newsworthy conversation,

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but there's a couple of things going on in golf

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industry right now that are really fascinating. You can see

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I'm wearing my Bay Golf Club shirt. I mean, I

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saw the first night of TGL, bought the shirt for

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the Bay that's my team, right So it's one of

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the one of the things you talked about Live Blue

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was the fact that they didn't regionalize their teams. And

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here TGL comes in and creates not necessarily because these

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guys are from there, but they created teams from different

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regions so that you can root for that.

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Speaker 1: I've got Atlanta. I've got a Lucas Glover. A climb

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of mine is only Atlanta Drive.

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Speaker 2: Which he's on Atlanta always. Okay, well, this isn't more

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of my questions.

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Speaker 1: Is Atlanta Drive hat right here with the big A

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right here on it? Okay? Own, you know it's it's

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It's been a lot of fun. I know they've got

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some technical difficulties that are happening.

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Speaker 2: And but of course it was the first. I mean,

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they've only done it twice.

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Speaker 1: I've never seen Tiger last so hard. The other night

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when Kevin Kiszner boned it out of the bunker into

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the flagick, and that's good to see Tiger.

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Speaker 2: And good to see Tiger being a person instead of

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right do that and that really exposed that. It was beautiful.

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Speaker 1: And I saw Kevin Kissner, I was done in Palm

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Springs for the American Express event. He had flown I

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guess that night after the thing into and he was

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because he's playing and I ran into him and I

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looked at him and he was talking about it, and

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I said, man, I just love when you guys hit

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a shot like that. So that you can prove to

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even the best players in the world can do it.

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Lucas has got a couple of practice sessions. But I

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had Mike McCarley, who did it, who started that whole

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deal of Jeff new Barth with And I mean, I

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love it. I love the team part of it. They

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watching it together, so can't lee, Justin Thomas and Billy Horschell,

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all four of them commenting about certain things. And I

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won't go into the summer because it was really they were.

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bad shots. And but I go and people think team

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doesn't work, And here's four guys that really aren't related

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in any way. Justin Thomas, Lucas is the older guy,

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Speaker 2: Just other than being on the PGA, they.

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Speaker 1: Are now on the Atlanta Drive. And I think it's

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the coolest thing. I have Gear my son, who is

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Lucas's Godfather's Lucas god son. You know, he's got he's

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ordered swag. And I said, dude, I can get that

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for you for free. He goes, No, I just use

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your credit card, I said, So yeah, I love it.

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the third episode. Your thoughts about you know, I mean,

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like technical of course, there's going to be technical issues.

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wrestling atmosphere, when they walk into the arena, but they're

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walking it's like, no, dude, get fired up, pump it up.

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PGA tooy. Just let's fire this crowd up. Because the

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so you don't really get a full sense of loud,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to kind of look at it like

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the sixteenth hole in Scott's Downe at the waste Management.

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as much banner between the players, and we were talking

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about they've got a shot clock, but they really don't

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need it. You know, they've got the electronic measures, they

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know the numbers, so there's and you know, once they

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pick it, then they've got you know, I don't think

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the shot clock ever got below like fifteen on anybody.

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Speaker 2: Second week, that heartbeat got louder and louder. I saw

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one of them going down to about two.

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and forty yard shot and he hit it like one

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fifty one, and he looked at me like whoa. And

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the guy with me, one of the guys, he goes

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and Lucas says, I hit that one forty one. And

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the guy goes says, he know that, And I'm like, yeah,

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he knows that. I go. That's what makes some pros.

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off on their four and five hours, but no, inside

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one thirty forty they can hit it within New York

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and that's what makes them so great. So when you

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saw Tiger miss it by twenty yards of the wedge,

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the Greg when he.

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that by the shot? You know what, It's just this

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not the US Open and the Open Chainampionship. It's entertainment.

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with a beer and just stuck it on the ground

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like we would, you know, if you people played I said,

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nothing wrong with that. I'm not trying to tell people

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to drink and play god, but they do.

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cart pull up the girl. Yeah, I'm not going to

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say that. I'm going to say a beverage cart. I'm

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not going to say it's a card girl. But if

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they had somebody pull up when they're when he's about

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to tee off, somebody pulls up with drinks.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's just be honest. I mean, well, you know,

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but yeah, I love it. I've been down there. I've

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inside the roads there. And so I went down with

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Lucas and it was just it's a blast. And mister

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Arthur Blank who owns the Atlanta Drive and has put

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so much behind it, and he's such a great guy,

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you know, a big goth enthusiast, and and and I

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think that's what this is about. And I think, you know,

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younger kids will really dig this. I think there's some

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guys at my club at home Frederica Golf Club that

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you know, a little older, that you know, is kind

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of poopoing it a little bit. But I mean, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, that's not for them. And that's not who it's

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Speaker 1: It's not who it's So I'm excited about it.

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Speaker 2: So does each team have a different owner something that

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someone that's not associated with and who determines who's going

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to be on the team.

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Speaker 1: Is an invitational or yeah, they draft them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Lucas getting on a team is phenomenal. I

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yea great exposure too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, everybody there's if he's not the most likely

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player on tour, he's got to be close to it.

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He's one of the most authentic and very intelligent guys.

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the game, you know, considering the average career on tours

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two point seven years and he's been out here twenty

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one years. Speaks volumes, and he went through quite a

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time where he couldn't make it from two feet at times.

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a competitor and a hard worker. But yeah, it's been

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a lot of fun. And you know, I don't I

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know Billy Horsa really well. I know justin Thomas a little.

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I barely know Patrick can't leave. They're but they're all

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four very different people. But it's fun. It will be

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fun to see them mailed into a team, and I

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think they'll all learn something from each other.

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Speaker 2: So you have four people on a team but only

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three are playing. Is that just because someone's gonna go

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Speaker 1: Gonna work this correct? Yeah, Lucas Lucas is not going

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to play the first match on the twenty first, but

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out and you know, and again that's double header. Yeah,

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there's he's going to play the two matches. It's a

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double header coming up from the seventeen, I hope. But well, wow,

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people tell them, yeah, yeah, he's playing two matches on

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the seventeen. Oh wow, yeah, okay, But he loves it.

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I mean, the fun thing about him is he lives

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right there, so he'll just go down now and easy.

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you're wealthy, or if you have a company and you

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wanted to have some fun, how about renting that place

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out for instead of instead of having a pro am

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that thing out at night and maybe even hiring some

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it is. It's also I know I couldn't afford it,

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they give a little just be corporated. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Big players.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Well, and I can't wait to see mixed teams.

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he can do this. So if it's not going to

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I wouldn't shock me that this doesn't parley into having

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women's teams or mixed teams. I wouldn't shot me. You know,

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I'll say this out loud. I thought how cool it

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would be to have one team playing a mystery team

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and having that mystery team be Bryson d. Chambeau and

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Brooks Kepka, Dustin Johnson and Harold Warner walking out and

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a live team and say, okay, we're all fine, let's

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get back and play golf this we can all get

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along well and it'll be okay. I mean, I think

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there could be a lot of things done well.

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Speaker 2: So if it was invitation only to beyond teams, did

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they exclude live players intentionally?

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Speaker 1: Looks like it. I don't see we.

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Speaker 2: You're not going there.

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Speaker 1: It's still a little minefield out there with that stuff.

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I'm a I'm a big I'm a big PGA tour fan,

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Asian tour fan. I'm a big live tour fan. I

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have golfers that play golf for a living. There can't

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be enough leagues and opportunities out there for me and

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some people. And there's people that you know don't like

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me because it and uh, I'm you know, I said,

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I'm sorry, that's just my level. And I you know,

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as I said, if you haven't been to a little event,

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I really don't want to talk to you because they're

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incredibly fun. And those guys are having a ball out,

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they're playing that golf. You know, it's three rounds. And

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I was telling somebody the other day, I said, people

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don't realize that the Corn Fairy Tour, which started out

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as the Ben Hogan Tour, it was a fifty four

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hole tournament. So just a lot of that rhetoric. They

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just they just they handled it all wrong. We went

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through that in their first session. So they just handled

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it all wrong. And it'll it'll sneak its way back

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in somehow.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's pick it up where we left off.

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Here are talking about Live because last time you were on,

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we had a long conversation about it and I appointed

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you the commissioner and you said, well, the first thing

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I would do is.

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Speaker 1: Take the meeting absolutely right.

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Speaker 2: So there's been some in the last week or so

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as we're recording this, there's been a lot of changes

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in live structure and they announced a TV deal with Fox.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely monstrous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so tell me what your thoughts are about what's

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going to happen with LIV next. Is it going to

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catch on or is it going to peter out? And

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these guys are going to get to come back to

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the PGA Tour and TGL is gonna you know, like

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take over what they were trying to do with the

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team golf concept.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think wow, I'll tell you. I we may

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have talked about this, but go back and look at

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film of the Ryder Cup back in the seventies and eighties.

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Go find some and look at how many people were there.

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They couldn't they couldn't give the tickets away to come

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to the Ryder Cup. It was a great exhibition of golf.

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And then the war by the Shore ninety one turned

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it into something that they can't even you know, they're

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the dog that caught the car. Now that thing is

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so big and gonna be in York, and so does

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it catch on? I don't see how it can't. I

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mean looking not only the talent they have, but the

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personalities they have. Sergio Garcia, Bryceon de Tembo, Brooks Kepka,

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all different people, Harold Varner.

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Speaker 2: Come on, wait wait brooks Kepka and personality. Come on,

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you have Bryson. Yes, Brooks is not a big personality, you.

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Speaker 1: See, this is the thing. Yeah he is, he is.

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Go watch Go watch the tournament because it's a little

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more free flowing. And when I see personality, it doesn't

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mean they're all like Harrol Warner. They're not Lee Travino

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or or whatever. But he has a personality. He has

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a swagger. I mean he's cool. He's cool, right, I

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mean he's a cool dude. Dustin Johnson's cool that. I mean,

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they're cool. I mean, so it has to catch on

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to some point because they have the funding. Now they

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have a TV deal with Fox. You're going to get

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exposed to it. Eventually, the rhetoric's going to go away.

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Hopefully Brandle can calm down a little bit and call him.

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He's calling solidy money dirty money because it's all money,

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and I'm like, well, buddy, I got a feeling. We

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got a guy coming in the office. There's gonna be

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some all coming out of our ground soon.

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Speaker 2: And old money golf come on.

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Speaker 4: So but like I say, yeah, I think it's going

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to catch on because I think what people, even though

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all this stuff is really hurt professional golf, all the

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talk about.

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Speaker 1: The money and all the the participation of golf is

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way way up, and I don't think the problem is

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as much a viewership is down. I just think it's

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back to normal viewership. Before Tiger showed up, you know

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I did. I had a guy I don't say his name,

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Walter Mueller. He's one of the I played golf with him.

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So he's at Frederica and Congaree and places and probably

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on the smartest mathematical minds in the world and worked

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for Bank of America for a long time. And I

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asked him, could you take Tiger out of the model?

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Could you take Tiger out of the model for me

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of the PGA tour? So if he had never shown up,

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where would we be as far as persons Just so,

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he gets on his computer, really nice bottle of Bordeaux,

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and he's typing, and he shows me a chart and

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he has to explain it to me, and he shows

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me like somebody. I don't think people remember nineteen eighty one.

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My brother was catting on tour. But the first place

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to Houston open was forty five thousand dollars in nineteen

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eighty one. So the chart and the growth between nineteen

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eighty and nineteen ninety five is a very constant, slow

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growth of the game in persas. And then this kid

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from California shows up and persons ignite and you can

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see that graph line just shoot up in the air

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and it just I mean, it's skyrockets. But yet he

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continue on like Tiger would have never been there. How

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he did that I'm sure it had pie in it,

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and I'm sure it had all kinds of things, but

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he did it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, give it to the matter.

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Speaker 1: So he runs it all the way out to where

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we are today, and purses would be between five and

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a half and six million dollars. And that sounds really

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low right now, right, I mean compared to.

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Speaker 2: What still sounds amazing. But is that really low compared

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to what's going on?

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Speaker 1: Well, twenty million?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, kay, okay, I'm PGA tour to purses

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are in the twenty million.

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Speaker 1: The signature much I'm signature events I think are twenty

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million dollars. It's up there. It's a lot.

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Speaker 2: What about the Masters? What is that counts there?

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Speaker 1: That's always been a funny thing. All those all the

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organizations seem to always have kind of the same persons.

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They all just regardless. I don't know, but I think

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the Masters does not promote money. And as I think

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we said, the Masters could hold that tournament and say

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we're not paying you a dime. You get a jacket

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in the trophy and an invitation back if you win,

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and everybody would show up for the Master's period, right.

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Speaker 2: Well, that was on TGL the first night when they

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were interviewing Tiger and they were commenting on the guy

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who was on the sidelines his coat, and Tiger's like,

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I'll take a green one, thank you. I would never

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wear that.

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Speaker 1: You go so so masters never talks about money, which

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I love. It's not about the money got them. It's

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great you get paid. I was telling somebody Dak Prescott,

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I don't know how much he signed for, but every

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time he threw a touchdown pass, they didn't tell you

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how much money as contract was. That was talked about

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one time, and it's one of the things that's hurt

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golf is that every day there's here's more money. Why

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don't we play for more than that. Let's play for

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the competition. Yeah, you get paid, but but yeah, so

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and then I told somebody that, and again this could

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be wrong. I mean, walterd could be off a little bit,

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but I doubt it. Guys, but six million sounds really

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low to people. Oh come on, and I said, do

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you know what the second largest tour own earth four

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round tour, I'll call it the four round tour would

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be the European Tour. And you where their persons are

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three million? So six millions, probably not far off of

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what if Tiger had never shown up. And so here's

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the big question now that Tiger's kind of he had

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left the game, but that he's not a consistent performer

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on the PGA Tour. Were they already headed in the

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wrong direction of having purses to be ten million and

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twelve million and fourteen million and twenty million without Lift

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showing up. Were they already heading out of sustainability for

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what really the marketplace will hold. It's kind of like

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the Michael Jordan thing. I watched the NBA when Michael

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Jordan played the minute he retired. I don't think I've

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seen the game since, not because Lebron Kobe. I mean,

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Michael grew up North Carolina where I did. But that's

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just it was. I love watching Michael Jordan play basketball,

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and I think there were people that loved to watch

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Tiger Woods play golf, as they should, and I think

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when he didn't play, I think a lot of people

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quit watching and went back out to play. I mean,

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I'll have to tell you, except for clients winning a

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golf tournament, the only time on a Sunday that I

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would come in off the range or not play golf

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is if Tiger was winning something, because I wanted to

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see what he was going to do, because I knew

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he wasn't going to choke. I knew he was going

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to beat you. I knew he had that I went,

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but I unless it was a client right now, there's

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no way that I would lead the range to go

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watch any other golfer win nothing against them, And I

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think that's where the tour has to be careful with

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where they are. They have to realize who they really are. Now.

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You know, if ratings are down thirty percent, maybe that's

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just those thirty percent of the people were just Tiger people.

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And so and again we went through that. I was

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pretty critical of the tour and I still am. I

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think they haven't made very many, if any good decisions

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involved in all this, and I hate to be that way.

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And I get called the Joe Rogan of GoF because

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of that, But I'm being honest. So we'll live back

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to the question, we'll live make it, I think. So.

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I think this TV product is I mean with Fox

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is going to be a big part of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to change their exposure dramatically obviously, And

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what about Greg Norman Out, Scott O'Neill in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a good deal. I think I

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think Greg got it to where it was, it was

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ready to go to put somebody.

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Speaker 2: As far as he could get it.

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Speaker 1: I think he could. I think he could have going.

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I mean Greg's a smart man, I mean, and a

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good guy. Listen, there's some stories I'm not going to

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tell him. But I don't think Greg is done. He's

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a better guy than people make him out to be.

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I've I mean, yeah, he's very cocky, very confident, and

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I hadn't met anybody successful yet that's not but yeah,

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he was smarter to do it. But I think he's

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you know, he's in his late sixties. I mean it's

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he's probably ready to go enjoy himself. And he got

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it to where it is. And now they've brought somebody

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in I think to take it to the next level.

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And I think, you you know, I think all businesses

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get to that point. I mean, Steve Jobs built Apple,

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but he didn't run it from that level, right, I mean,

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he got it to the point. So yeah, I'm bulleth

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on it. I think it'll I think it'll go. And

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look they're going I mean, we'll see my first event.

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I'll go to be in Miami. I've got Andy Ogletree

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as a client, And just to tell you that, Andy

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just flew out today to California to FIL's house and

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the High Flyers are having a kind of a spring

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training camp right now before they take off. So it's real.

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People are not teams not I mean Phil. I mean,

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you know, Andy signed with Phil's team, not because it

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was the best money, not because but he was going

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to get to learn under one of the greatest players

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ever play. So I mean, yeah, so that's it's pretty cool.

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I'm on both sides of it. It's pretty fine.

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Speaker 2: But a lot of people complain about LIVE is that

474
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,240
what are they playing for? I mean, you know they

475
00:22:49,279 --> 00:22:54,880
don't have you know, like Tiger just wants to win majors, right,

476
00:22:55,039 --> 00:22:57,519
I mean, where where does it leave you in history

477
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,359
as far as professional golf is concerned. What is LIV

478
00:23:02,839 --> 00:23:05,559
trying to get to? To get people go, I gotta

479
00:23:05,599 --> 00:23:07,680
go back every year and watch this type of thing.

480
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, let's look at it. Let's look at

481
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:16,319
how golf. Pro golf really got started. There were from

482
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,759
amateur golf, yeah, but they were community, they were community events.

483
00:23:19,839 --> 00:23:23,680
Let's go to Greensboro to wind them championship. A small

484
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,599
little tournament used to be called a GGO. It was

485
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:30,400
run by the Chamber of Commerce. It was to promote Greensboro, Okay,

486
00:23:30,839 --> 00:23:32,680
And as time went on and went on, and the

487
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,799
golf course was kind of you know, and a guy

488
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,480
named Bobby Long came in and saved it because it

489
00:23:37,519 --> 00:23:39,440
was so good for the community. They gave all this

490
00:23:39,559 --> 00:23:42,200
money back to the charity and it gave I mean

491
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,359
for that six days. If you go to that event,

492
00:23:44,599 --> 00:23:46,519
they don't have the best players in the world play there.

493
00:23:47,319 --> 00:23:49,880
I mean, they don't get that field. They got Tiger

494
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,519
one time that kind of messed them up. But as

495
00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:54,319
a rule they'll get a few top players. But it's

496
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,960
the last event before the playoffs. It's a lot of

497
00:23:57,039 --> 00:24:01,160
Scottie Scheffler's not there. But go there and see if

498
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,680
you think there's not a buzz because it's a community event.

499
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,039
They come in, they've got shelai'se they go have drinks

500
00:24:08,039 --> 00:24:10,359
with friends and they go follow God. But the goth

501
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:11,920
is kind of an add on. It's kind of like

502
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,880
the waste management who has what one hundred thousand people

503
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,759
to day there's not one hundred thousand people watching goth

504
00:24:18,759 --> 00:24:21,680
at Waste Management if you've ever been there, and it's

505
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:26,359
a community event. So when Live goes to Australia, which

506
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,880
the tour never did, and you bring these players in,

507
00:24:30,039 --> 00:24:33,279
go watch the crowd in the environment for that one week,

508
00:24:33,839 --> 00:24:37,720
and the Kentucky Derby, you go to Blexington that one week.

509
00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:39,599
By the it's in happening is where you are. And

510
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,839
so these golf tournaments Sanderson Farms in Mississippi, they don't

511
00:24:43,839 --> 00:24:46,519
have hardly any top players play, but you should go

512
00:24:46,559 --> 00:24:49,759
see the community come out together. And again that's when

513
00:24:49,759 --> 00:24:52,160
the tour was a nonprofit and they were giving all

514
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,079
this money out to charity. I don't know what's going

515
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,519
to happen now that they're a private equity funded for

516
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:02,119
profit things that I think that's another eric. But so

517
00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:06,319
when LIV goes to an environment that doesn't see this

518
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,759
kind of golf, Singapore, the places they go, it's a

519
00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:13,279
big deal. Whoever they bring, I don't even think they

520
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,799
half of them know. But all you have is one name.

521
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:21,880
And then going back to the majors, Collin Montgomery, Okay,

522
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,400
never want a major, Never want a major, you know,

523
00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:29,319
any event. You can win any tournament you want, but

524
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,000
you're not really recognized to you in a major, and

525
00:25:32,039 --> 00:25:34,480
that's all that matters, you know, And I know there's

526
00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:36,279
out there if you play the live tour you can't

527
00:25:36,279 --> 00:25:39,519
get in a major. Well not true. You can qualify

528
00:25:39,599 --> 00:25:42,079
for the US Open. You can. You can do things.

529
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,839
And now the pg of America is allowing live players

530
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,160
to play. They invited live players to play in the

531
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,440
event they're going to come back together, and I think

532
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,799
the pg of America will be the front runner in

533
00:25:52,839 --> 00:25:54,680
bringing GoF back together, if you wan, in my opinion,

534
00:25:55,519 --> 00:25:58,640
I really do. They once started this thing, they started

535
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,519
a tour. PG Tour used to be known as to

536
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:07,839
TPA Tournament Players Association. You got to go back some

537
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,039
time in this, Okay, you have to go back. But yeah,

538
00:26:10,079 --> 00:26:13,519
that's where the PGA Tour came from, is the PGM America.

539
00:26:14,079 --> 00:26:18,319
Because they are the grassroots guys that over I mean,

540
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,680
they're the guys that are overseeing every golfer in America

541
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,400
the club pros at both public and private clubs. So

542
00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:28,880
that would be my guess is the PGM of America

543
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,279
will end up being the conduit to bringing golf back

544
00:26:32,279 --> 00:26:34,039
together prediction.

545
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 2: You were talking about these various events where it creates

546
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:48,319
a buzz locally. But now to promote a sport to

547
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:53,160
grow as sport, things you need, well, you need online,

548
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,039
you need television, you need to make it a global

549
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,559
and if that's only a national thing, but it's got

550
00:26:59,599 --> 00:27:03,319
to be like national thing. So like, I don't know,

551
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,440
I watched the PNC Tour that's not an official tour event,

552
00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:12,240
but yet watching the team of a professional player and

553
00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:15,839
somebody in their family, you know, Tiger and Charlie, there

554
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,279
was a buzz. There was a real buzz about that.

555
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,079
Speaker 1: Man, are you kidding? I mean the Shark Shootout used

556
00:27:22,079 --> 00:27:26,640
to have that and in Naples. Yeah, I mean, I

557
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:31,960
guess I'd go back to grow. What is the purpose

558
00:27:32,039 --> 00:27:35,519
to grow it? I mean it will grow at his

559
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,759
own financial okay, but how much is enough? I mean,

560
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,119
I mean, this is the whole point is that. I

561
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,039
mean the artificially grows something or you can't make it grow.

562
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,279
I mean John Daily showed up in ninety one. He

563
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,319
was a gross spurt. I call him a gross spurt

564
00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:55,160
when he won the PGA Championship. I think we man

565
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,359
mentioned it at the time. If you've got ten or

566
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,839
fifteen thousand dollars for a day outing for a pro

567
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,599
big deal. And I remember John Day, we heard that

568
00:28:02,599 --> 00:28:05,799
he got fifty thousand for a day outing and we

569
00:28:05,799 --> 00:28:11,000
were losing our minds because you know, rises all boats, right,

570
00:28:11,079 --> 00:28:13,640
and then if you really want to watch the boat rise.

571
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,519
In nineteen ninety six, Tiger Wood shows up and Tiger

572
00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:21,200
Woods made everybody in GOP money, me club reps, people

573
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,000
made grips. He made everybody money. You know, this pip

574
00:28:25,319 --> 00:28:28,400
deal they did, you know, giving money to the players

575
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,200
that impacted the tour. I don't know if you know

576
00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:34,480
about that. Yeah, so the tour decided there were ten

577
00:28:34,599 --> 00:28:38,559
or whatever guys that really mattered, and they gave and

578
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,119
they had some kind of made up I think it's

579
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,839
made up. And Tiger got the first prize for player

580
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,400
impact and he played three events. He got ten million

581
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,559
dollars in Scotti scheffer he got eight million, Jordan Spieth

582
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,680
got four and a half million, Wyndham Clark got three

583
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,160
and a half million, And I'm like, well, first of all,

584
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,160
they should have just given all the money to Tiger.

585
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:04,680
First of all, because the impact of the tour has

586
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:10,000
been affected for forty years Bobby Watkins, Gary Coch, Robert Wren.

587
00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:13,599
There's guys that have been playing Wednesday pro ams for

588
00:29:13,759 --> 00:29:18,839
free to promote the tour for years and years. I

589
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,200
mean there's not a name that I can't mention. Every

590
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,960
tour player has given free time and europe meteaites to

591
00:29:26,039 --> 00:29:30,440
the tour to impact the tour. So before you know,

592
00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:32,440
in the eighties, there were people doing things. In the

593
00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:36,839
nineties and Greg normand the tour and everyone impacted the tour.

594
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,839
But Tiger he was the needle. He didn't move the needle.

595
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,279
He was the needle. So if you want to give

596
00:29:42,319 --> 00:29:44,400
money away for impacting the tour, just give it all

597
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,359
the Tiger and be done with it, because I promise you

598
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,839
no one else has ever touched the needle like that.

599
00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:55,319
Greg Norman got a little close to it, Palmer back

600
00:29:55,319 --> 00:29:57,440
in the day, Nicholas a little bit. I mean there

601
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:02,240
were little needle movers thing did what Tiger did. I

602
00:30:02,279 --> 00:30:04,160
don't know if it'll ever be done again. I mean

603
00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:05,200
I saw it.

604
00:30:05,119 --> 00:30:07,319
Speaker 2: And it was timing of that as well. I mean

605
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,079
it was just at the exact right time.

606
00:30:10,319 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, him doing I remember doing contracts before Tiger shows

607
00:30:14,519 --> 00:30:17,319
up and they would we'll call it a dollar. The

608
00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:21,240
contract was a dollar. Tiger shows up and I was

609
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:24,640
doing contracts for the same people for ten dollars, and

610
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,119
I didn't get better than negotiating. The market rose. It

611
00:30:28,319 --> 00:30:33,039
just went up and up and up and tv and

612
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:37,359
and I think, Okay, they got drunk on it. Man,

613
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,920
they got drunk on growth, and it just wasn't going

614
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,519
to grow anymore. I think Tiger's effect of growth on

615
00:30:43,559 --> 00:30:46,119
the tour slowed down somewhere around two thousand and nine

616
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,880
or ten. I think it leveled off. I didn't think

617
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,920
that's what Walter's Charpe says.

618
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: Well, there was the crash in eight too, right, there

619
00:30:54,079 --> 00:30:55,599
was the market.

620
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,559
Speaker 1: Well there were there were two crashes, but we won't

621
00:30:59,599 --> 00:31:01,359
go there. I'll let it. I'll let people figure out

622
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:02,400
the other crash.

623
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,039
Speaker 2: Oh really, you do that to me.

624
00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: Well, Tiger had a crash that crashed, and that did that,

625
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,359
and then the market crash. Yeah, and that certainly. Look

626
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,759
and look, Tiger's a great guy. Don't take that. I'm

627
00:31:14,759 --> 00:31:17,480
not hitting him. Life is like a lot of things

628
00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:19,920
going out there that you know that are normal human life.

629
00:31:20,519 --> 00:31:24,400
But yeah, but I think they got drunk, because how's

630
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,079
it going to grow. Why does it need to grow?

631
00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:29,319
Why don't it's just Why don't it just exist? Why

632
00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:32,720
does everything have to grow? Was is it not enough

633
00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:35,240
to win a million dollars if you win a golf terment,

634
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,240
Well you gotta win one point three? I mean, you know,

635
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,319
and people, these guys are not going to go get

636
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,000
jobs if purses come down. They're not going to quit

637
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:44,880
and go get an insurance job. They're not gonna come

638
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,640
do what I do. I mean, they're going to do

639
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,640
what they do and they'll get paid. Like, my income

640
00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:55,759
is gone down, just like Tiger's effect is gone down.

641
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,880
Contracts have gone back down. And I keep saying this.

642
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,599
I watched it. I mean there was a berth there

643
00:32:02,599 --> 00:32:06,960
between ninety eight and two thousand and seven. I mean

644
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,720
there was money in this game. I mean you want

645
00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:11,039
to negotiate a contract. It was out there and it

646
00:32:11,079 --> 00:32:16,640
was unbelievable the amount of money people were making. But

647
00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:21,599
it stopped. I mean it slowed down, and it slowed

648
00:32:21,599 --> 00:32:24,839
down to a point now to levels that I don't

649
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,240
I'm not comfortable with at all, right, And I don't

650
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,480
think the tour knows that. I think they're trying to

651
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:39,039
go up sustainability is a big thing, right, and that's

652
00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:43,720
my concern with it. Can they sustain this thing? They don't.

653
00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:46,759
There's not another Tiger. We were talking about the other day.

654
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,799
When Tiger was playing on TV, they showed him do everything,

655
00:32:49,839 --> 00:32:53,359
get a drink of water, you know, scratch himself. It

656
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,240
didn't matter. The camera was on Tiger and it was great.

657
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,599
And now Scotti Scheffler, I mean, who was having a

658
00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:02,559
Tiger like career right now and they are doing the

659
00:33:02,599 --> 00:33:05,799
same thing. Here's Scotty Scheffer for par from four inches.

660
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:10,119
Well that's not Tiger. They don't don't show a Scotty

661
00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:13,599
Scheffer making four inch, but show me somebody else. TV

662
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,960
kind of got locked in, well here's our next big star.

663
00:33:16,039 --> 00:33:18,079
We'll show you him to do everything. People don't care.

664
00:33:18,839 --> 00:33:20,640
And I hear it all the time, and I think

665
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,680
it was either I don't know who came out with this,

666
00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:25,640
but it's hard to pick those players apart out there now.

667
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,359
I mean, they all look very similar. It's you know,

668
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:34,279
it's it's it's mind boggling. But there's not much personality

669
00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:37,000
on the PGA tour now. It's just kind of I'm

670
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:40,440
not saying robotic, but getting there. And I think what

671
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,960
people don't realize is the PGA Tour is an entertainment product.

672
00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:49,359
It is not a major. Maybe they're Players Championship. I've

673
00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:53,160
always considered a major. The Players Championship probably the best

674
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,319
one of the best field in golf. It's hard to

675
00:33:56,359 --> 00:33:58,759
be a major. So there's four majors. Are the majors, right?

676
00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:01,839
But every thing other than the Players Championship is an

677
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,119
entertainment property. It's not a major. It should pay like one.

678
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,440
As I said, I think most people would play majors

679
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,840
without a paycheck. It's that has that much thing. So

680
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,039
I don't know why they worry about keeping up with purse.

681
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 2: When a major changes your life, it.

682
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,559
Speaker 1: Does, and I mean you become a major winner, and

683
00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:23,360
that's a big thing, a big thing in life. But yeah,

684
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:24,960
I think, and again I think that's up to the

685
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,599
PGA Tour to figure out that, hey, we're not the

686
00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:30,760
Masters and we're not the Open. We're an entertainment property,

687
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,679
and these entertainment properties the pro You know, the last

688
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,760
four years, I'm not sure the PGA Tour has done

689
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,039
anything to try to create a better product for the consumer.

690
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:42,119
It looks like me they've done everything trying to save

691
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:45,679
their jobs and protect, you know, protect something that I

692
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:48,719
don't know. And that sounds bad, but it's just it

693
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:53,280
just looks true because the product hasn't changed. And one

694
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,079
of the things we'll go back to TGL thing. One

695
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:58,920
of the things I love is that Marty guy. I'm

696
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,280
sorry I keep remembers last night. I should, but Scott

697
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:06,679
van Pelt. I mean having them announce, I mean, yeah,

698
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,039
oh that's fun. And obviously I loved Jim Natz, but

699
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,760
some of the other people they put out there. I mean,

700
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,639
there's a guy named John McGinnis that used to play

701
00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:19,079
the tour. I'd have him on the sixteenth Tower. I mean,

702
00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:21,800
he's smart and funny as you can make him. I would.

703
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,440
I would stretch the envelope of who I would put

704
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,280
in these towers. Get some guys like the Gary McCords

705
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,559
used to be. I want to hear have some fun.

706
00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:32,920
I mean, I know what I know, he pulled it left.

707
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,360
I can see that on TV. But give me something

708
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:39,119
like you know. That's why I love your Pin Tour.

709
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:44,639
Your Pin Tour announcers are absolutely and that's what I'm saying,

710
00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:47,239
but they've gone. They seem to get guys that are

711
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,800
good at golf, like Faldough, great record, but come on,

712
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,840
I mean, not that entertaining. You know, Johnny Miller was entertaining.

713
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,719
Paul Aisinger was entertaining, you know. I I mean because

714
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,400
they're not scared. They'll tell you what they think, right.

715
00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:06,400
And I'm not saying Nick wouldn't, I'm not. But but again,

716
00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:10,920
the product that you're giving to your consumer is so

717
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,760
important when you're an entertainment product. And that's what the

718
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:14,280
tour is.

719
00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:18,599
Speaker 2: And yeah, we've had Barney Adams multiple times come on

720
00:36:18,679 --> 00:36:22,760
and say, listen, the PGA Tour is a TV show. Yeah,

721
00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:24,039
start there.

722
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,599
Speaker 1: Stark there, there's I don't need the Savannah bananas. Savannah bananas,

723
00:36:27,639 --> 00:36:31,840
I don't love them. My daughter lives just down the

724
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,119
street from the stadium, and I haven't met this Jesse guy.

725
00:36:34,159 --> 00:36:37,440
I want to so bad because I watched his his

726
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,079
I don't know podcast, Ted talks wherever he does and

727
00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:42,480
he goes. You know, what we did was created something

728
00:36:42,599 --> 00:36:46,719
that people wanted to see first and work backwards. That's

729
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,360
a really funny op know. I'm thinking, Wow, you know,

730
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,440
what if people really want to see at a professional

731
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,559
golf event? What if we went and found that out

732
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,440
and then gave that to him and then work backwards

733
00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:01,480
instead of Okay, this is what you're gonna do. You're

734
00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:04,119
gonna watch the top fifty players and they're gonna play

735
00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:07,320
for some scene amount of money and don't get close

736
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,719
to them, don't talk, get behind the ropes and watch

737
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,679
them playing there all this money, and then we're all

738
00:37:11,679 --> 00:37:15,559
gonna make a bunch of money. Thanks for coming. Not

739
00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:17,679
how I would create an entertainment product. I think this

740
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,400
should call Jesse and say, man, what do you think

741
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,119
we should do? And maybe it's not as cooped up

742
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:25,239
as that is, but I'll tell you one thing. They

743
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,880
sell out every major league stadium and they go to

744
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:28,639
sell it.

745
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: Out and now they're right and they're doing tours now.

746
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,480
I mean next time they have caught on they sold Boston.

747
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:34,679
Thank you YouTube.

748
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,159
Speaker 1: Okay, And if you go to Savannah and you want

749
00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:39,199
to go buy a ticket, well good luck. They're priced

750
00:37:39,199 --> 00:37:43,920
out for years. Wow years. Great and Becaus is a

751
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,920
fun entertainment product. And I'm not going to associate that

752
00:37:48,039 --> 00:37:51,960
with live. They're not Savannah Bananas, but they are different.

753
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,639
They are showing you incredible talent. It's incredible God. But

754
00:37:55,679 --> 00:37:58,159
the product is different. There's music, it's got a little

755
00:37:58,159 --> 00:38:01,440
more task to it. And and again.

756
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 2: I can't see any golf product being irreverent. And I

757
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,760
think that's the thing about the Savannah Bananas. Is there irreverence.

758
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:15,880
And and they're not flipping their nose at Major League Baseball.

759
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,239
They're just saying, Hey, we're just out here to have

760
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,000
a good time. This is fun. We're just gonna be

761
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,480
silly about that. And I promise I can't see live

762
00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:25,679
doing that. I can't see, you know, maybe TGL. I

763
00:38:25,679 --> 00:38:27,760
mean the fact that they have on TGL. They have

764
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,719
all these guys miked up and you can hear them

765
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,199
the banter and you hear them. Hopefully we'll see a

766
00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:39,199
competitive match soon instead of these blowouts both of them

767
00:38:39,199 --> 00:38:39,599
first two.

768
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. That's that is. It's a momentum game,

769
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,519
I guess. Well, but anyway, I think there's just a

770
00:38:46,559 --> 00:38:50,840
lot I think Panavidro the PG Tours got a lot

771
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,719
of they got a little lot of soul searching the

772
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,760
figure out really what do they have right? And when

773
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,000
Tiger showed up, they really looked like they were good

774
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,079
at what they were doing. And it's kind of what

775
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:04,000
I do for a living managing golfer. When when Davis

776
00:39:04,039 --> 00:39:07,400
Love or Justin Leonard Wrenning majors, I was an incredible negotiator,

777
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,440
you have no idea. But when guys start missing cuts

778
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,079
and you know, finishing one hundredth on the money list,

779
00:39:13,199 --> 00:39:16,079
you know, my negotiating skills go out the window. And

780
00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:18,000
and it's kind of like a caddie. You know how

781
00:39:18,039 --> 00:39:20,599
great a caddy is, well, got a lot to do,

782
00:39:20,679 --> 00:39:24,159
how good that guy is playing? All right? And so

783
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,960
that's just you know, like I say, I'm hoping hoping

784
00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:31,360
that you know, the PGA Tour, because that's where a

785
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,679
majority of my clients play. They figure it out and

786
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,719
pulling for him. But I don't have any saying that,

787
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,960
and so I'm just I'm a lot of a lot

788
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:48,440
of hoping right now.

789
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 2: Moments ago you talked about how they the TV and

790
00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:56,280
the PGA Tour, they followed Tigers every single move, but

791
00:39:57,079 --> 00:40:01,880
they missed one in twenty twelve, twenty four that I think,

792
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,679
I think is what happened. I have my own personal

793
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,000
rule of when you're playing with your buddies and you're

794
00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:11,039
on a par three, nobody's supposed to be going up

795
00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:13,599
against a tree and peeing with their back to your shot.

796
00:40:14,159 --> 00:40:16,119
Because the only time I had a hole in one,

797
00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:19,199
my friend was my friend missed the whole thing because

798
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:24,079
he was pink. So I think when Charlie hit the

799
00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:28,119
hole in one at the PNC in twenty twenty four

800
00:40:28,679 --> 00:40:34,559
and the Tiger wasn't there, it wasn't the PNC at

801
00:40:34,559 --> 00:40:40,000
that point, it was p and and didn't see. I

802
00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:43,599
personally think tiger was in the bathroom and he missed

803
00:40:43,639 --> 00:40:44,159
the whole thing.

804
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: My gosh, you never think about the rule is you

805
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,280
can't relieve yourself on part three? It's par four. No

806
00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:52,599
never ever, that's a really good idea. Yeah, I gotta

807
00:40:52,639 --> 00:40:56,360
tell you, I it's fun watching that. I again, I

808
00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:01,039
agree with you Charlie, the ability to have the expectations

809
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:04,039
that are on him already just because who his dad is,

810
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,679
Because you know, I watched Drew Love, you know, and

811
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,719
Bill Haas and Jack Nicholas, you know, Junior or Gary Nicholas.

812
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:15,840
I mean playing against immortal fathers with that kind of expectations.

813
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,360
And I tell people expectations probably ruined more careers than anything,

814
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,960
And it's why people get the yips from two feet

815
00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:25,159
and not nine feet. You don't get the yips from

816
00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:28,480
nine feet because you don't expect to make everybody Charlie.

817
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,719
I mean, the ability to go out in front of

818
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:36,679
crowds pull it off with that kind of expectations. And

819
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,960
maybe he doesn't have him maybe he knows that. You know,

820
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,639
I'm probably not going to be as good as my dad,

821
00:41:40,639 --> 00:41:42,519
and if he is, it'd be great. I mean, who's

822
00:41:42,519 --> 00:41:45,400
going to be as good as that? But you're exactly right,

823
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,239
I that is a fun thing to watch. I love

824
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,840
watching Onnica play with hers Lin and you know, and Trevino.

825
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,719
I man, if.

826
00:41:54,559 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 2: They Bernhard's wanted six years.

827
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 1: Now, golly well, I just want to know his diet.

828
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,000
I want to know what he drinks. I want everybody

829
00:42:02,039 --> 00:42:04,320
said they should just put that out. He should sell

830
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,519
whatever he does. But yeah, I you know, look, if

831
00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:13,320
Trevino played in every tgo match, the amount of people

832
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,199
what he's still that funny, that talented that. I mean,

833
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,320
there should be more of those people and that that's

834
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,159
one of the scary things right now that I see

835
00:42:21,199 --> 00:42:23,960
in goth Is. I represent this kid named Julia and

836
00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:28,840
Perico from Peru. He's his close stop scene to Lee Trevino,

837
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,360
A viny bodyers saying it's got a different swing. I

838
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,480
mean powerful, big kid. But we'll talk to you why

839
00:42:36,519 --> 00:42:40,280
he's swinging, has no regard for not having fun. It's

840
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,599
is if he ever remember the name, if he hits,

841
00:42:43,679 --> 00:42:46,800
if he wins something big, he'll be He'll be as

842
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,760
big as Ricky Fowler. He has got that kind of personality.

843
00:42:50,159 --> 00:42:53,800
And that really has concerns me is that. I know

844
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,079
it's a serious game and they've got to pay attention.

845
00:42:56,239 --> 00:43:00,039
But but man, I mean there's there's a lot a

846
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:02,719
lot of clones out there. They look exactly the same,

847
00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:06,159
but that's gonna say. When these are kids and watching

848
00:43:06,199 --> 00:43:08,920
their parents play with their kids, they're different. I mean

849
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,599
they act different, right, all of them. I mean, Honka

850
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,320
was serious, I thought play it, but she's having fun

851
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,039
with her son. You can see that it's fun for her.

852
00:43:17,159 --> 00:43:18,920
And I know Mike, her husband, who is just a

853
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,760
great guy and he but yeah, I think maybe every

854
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,039
event doesn't have to be the same on the PGA tour,

855
00:43:26,599 --> 00:43:30,239
maybe sometimes we could do some different things. But again,

856
00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:33,000
they've got control of that product. They just take all

857
00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:35,360
they just take a billion and a half dollars investment

858
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:37,719
and we'll see what they do with it. But I

859
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,199
hope they created an incredible product because I certainly wouldn't

860
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,159
mind sponsors start coming out of the woodwork again like

861
00:43:44,199 --> 00:43:44,639
they used to.

862
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, golf, parody in golf is what golf is. It's parody.

863
00:43:50,159 --> 00:43:52,719
It's not like, you know, you have a dominant figure

864
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,559
or anything. But when someone like Tiger comes along and

865
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:02,039
breaks that like Scotti Scheffler did, right, you know, it

866
00:44:02,199 --> 00:44:04,400
changes everything and draws attention to it.

867
00:44:04,639 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.

868
00:44:06,119 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 2: It's it's like teams that dominate create passion on both sides.

869
00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:16,000
Like look at look at how the Yankees. People love

870
00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:17,079
to hate the Yankees.

871
00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:19,559
Speaker 1: You're not gonna hate Scotty Scheffler. Probably one of the

872
00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:22,079
nicest guys on earth, and him getting arrested was private.

873
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 2: But no one's going to copy Scotty Scheffler. Who's going

874
00:44:24,559 --> 00:44:27,880
to be copying with Scotty Scheffler. I mean basketball, everyone's

875
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,480
trying to be Steph Curry now at every age they're

876
00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:33,320
shooting three pointers. And he changed the game, but nobody's

877
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,840
I can't imagine that. He's just gonna go, all right,

878
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:40,639
here's going to do with your feet todays? Right, He's

879
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:45,119
he's unique, well, and but he's succeeding. That's what's so interesting,

880
00:44:45,159 --> 00:44:46,599
because that doesn't happen on the tour.

881
00:44:46,679 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: A really funny thing is that his teacher is the

882
00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:53,679
teacher that taught Justin Leonard, Randy Smith down in Texas,

883
00:44:54,519 --> 00:44:56,880
probably one of the most I mean, I mean, but

884
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,159
Charmond Well, I will always say he's the best teacher,

885
00:44:59,519 --> 00:45:03,000
Randy Smith. He should be the second most famous teacher

886
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,719
in the world. He taught Justin Leonard, Harrison Fraser, and

887
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,119
it goes on and on, Gary Woodland. But I'll just

888
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,159
but Randy Smith is an instructor that taught Justin Leonard.

889
00:45:13,159 --> 00:45:16,400
If you've ever seen him, I mean, justin swing is

890
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,800
the opposite of Scotti Scheffer. Justin was in complete balance,

891
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:26,400
I mean, sturdy as you could be and Scotty and

892
00:45:26,639 --> 00:45:28,920
but that's what I call a great instructor is he

893
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,320
didn't get in their way of being them. We talked earlier,

894
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,920
you and I before we get on here about swing.

895
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,960
Your swing. It'll hold up. Your swing will hold up

896
00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:39,280
under pressure. If it's your swing. It may not be

897
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,920
good enough to win a club championship, but it's your swing.

898
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,079
It's the people that try to create another swing that

899
00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:48,599
that's not the who they are. Scotty Scheffer's swing is

900
00:45:48,599 --> 00:45:50,639
not going to break down under pressure because that's his swing.

901
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:53,960
Justin's does not breakdown. And when you see people starting

902
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,440
to tinker in their golf swing and change what they are,

903
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:01,440
that's when they start breaking down under pressure, right. But yeah,

904
00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:04,760
I mean nobody's gonna copy. Nobody copies Jack Nicholas's putting stock.

905
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,400
I mean, the best, one of the best putters ever

906
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,719
under pressure. And you think you would see one guy

907
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,599
out there that just I'm gonna do it like Jack?

908
00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:20,000
But yeah, but again, I remember in the eighties or seventies,

909
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,679
who's the next Nicholas. I remember that it was going

910
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,920
to be Bobby Clampitt, it was gonna be Gary Hallberg,

911
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,599
it was gonna be John Cook. I mean, how many

912
00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:31,280
next Nicholases did they point out? Right, some of us

913
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,760
cause of their hair color some of it, But whoever

914
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:39,440
dominated at that point. Bobby Clampitt was so good and

915
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,440
and Gary Halberg I think that might have been one

916
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,880
of the greatest classes ever seventy nine if you go

917
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,440
back and look, if you go that far back, I'm

918
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,360
agent myself. But and who's the next Nicholas, And there

919
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,239
was not a next Nicholas. It wasn't going to be,

920
00:46:51,559 --> 00:46:54,480
but one popped up. But it was a lot later

921
00:46:54,559 --> 00:46:57,280
than they ever dreamed. So maybe in another fifteen years

922
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,599
somebody shows up. I don't think so. And I'll tell

923
00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:04,920
you why. The training these kids are getting now from

924
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:09,440
around the world from an early age, we got track man's,

925
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,119
we got spin rates, we got it. Used to be

926
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:18,719
only the tour players had had access to all those things.

927
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,159
They had access to the best clubs, the best shafts,

928
00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:24,840
the best you know. Now anyone can have the same

929
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:29,119
stuff done. Clubs built exactly to spects. So they're learning

930
00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:32,320
a lot quicker and a lot earlier. So talent wise,

931
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,679
like physically hitting a golf ball, there's millions of more

932
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:41,159
people to have the ability to play pro golf, right So,

933
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,800
and I have a T shirt that is actually being

934
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,599
printed now because and I say that because people ask

935
00:47:47,679 --> 00:47:50,480
me what is it that separates them? And I go, mind,

936
00:47:50,559 --> 00:47:53,880
heart and balls, and I don't mean golf balls. And

937
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,719
because all of them can hit it a long way,

938
00:47:57,039 --> 00:48:00,280
all of them can dial their irons in and their

939
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:04,440
wedge distances in with track Man or you know, those things,

940
00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:09,000
But who can handle the pressure, who can handle the expectations,

941
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,159
you know, who can handle all the things that go

942
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,880
in winning. And that's where you're going to see a separation.

943
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,719
I don't know Tiger's dad with Special Forces. I use

944
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:23,079
two former Navy seals to help performance of our clients

945
00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:27,800
because that's about what they're doing out there. So the

946
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,679
next that's the only training method. It's left is mental

947
00:48:31,679 --> 00:48:35,079
training and mental training GOP is. You know, the time

948
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:37,840
people see a psychiatrist or a sports psychiatrist, if there's

949
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,559
a such thing, is when they have a problem, right,

950
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:46,400
and so so it's it's going to be to create

951
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,199
an entertaining product, you're going to have to have an

952
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,960
entertaining person, entertainer. People are going to have to be authentic,

953
00:48:51,039 --> 00:48:54,760
and you know, can it happen? I don't know, I

954
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,000
don't know. I don't know.

955
00:48:56,519 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 2: One of the things that I wrote down that I

956
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,559
wanted to talk about with you was to recap twenty

957
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:05,440
twenty four. But we've kind of been doing that all

958
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,119
the way through. But what did we learn in twenty

959
00:49:08,159 --> 00:49:10,760
twenty four that we can bring to twenty twenty five

960
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:11,760
and take advantage of.

961
00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: Take advantage of I think we've learned that the viewership,

962
00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:20,960
the viewing god viewing viewership in the world is kind

963
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,559
of tired of hearing about money. I think we can

964
00:49:24,639 --> 00:49:28,719
stop that. I think I think we can learn that

965
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,960
we can all get along. I think you saw at

966
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:37,159
the PGA Championship that rips Kepta and Bryce and de

967
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,239
Chambeau and these guys can get along with each other.

968
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:44,400
They're fine, It's going to be okay. They chose different paths,

969
00:49:45,079 --> 00:49:47,920
and I'm hoping we learned that maybe this should happen

970
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,119
across the board, because I'll tell you right now, if

971
00:49:52,159 --> 00:49:56,960
I owned a tour and I could have the opportunity

972
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,400
to have the personalities that play on play a few

973
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,599
of my events, I'd want them out there. So I

974
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:05,840
hope we've learned that. Maybe from the PGA Championship we

975
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,760
learned that, and we'll learn it from the Masters.

976
00:50:14,599 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 2: Well, you and I have proven that we can just

977
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:22,280
talk for a long time together. We get into topics

978
00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:24,960
and you always seem to have a response, which is

979
00:50:25,199 --> 00:50:28,000
so much fun for me, and I really appreciate you

980
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:33,280
you sharing that time. But it's golf. Smart is not

981
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,119
the only place that you're making your regular appearances to

982
00:50:36,199 --> 00:50:39,199
discuss these things. You have a radio show.

983
00:50:39,079 --> 00:50:43,079
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, well Lucas Glover has a radio show, and okay,

984
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,960
and Scott Greenstein from ser S XM, since he won

985
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,599
the Open and US Opening nine in New York, has

986
00:50:49,639 --> 00:50:53,480
tried to get him to do it. And the producer

987
00:50:53,559 --> 00:50:58,239
Taylor's other he did a show with Dale Junior, Daryl

988
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:02,119
Arnhardt Jr. And his manager a podcast, and so it

989
00:51:02,199 --> 00:51:04,280
was kind of like, Okay, why don't we have Lucas

990
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,519
and his manager do it. So I'm kind of a

991
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:08,920
co host or kind of a subn or an Ed

992
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:13,320
McMahon type figure. So we get on there spoil. Yeah,

993
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,599
And I mean Lucas, like I said, Lucas is a

994
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:18,719
smart cat, and he's fun and we're obviously terrific friends.

995
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:22,280
We've been together for a long time and and and everybody,

996
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:23,960
like I said I mentioned earlier, I'm kind of the

997
00:51:24,039 --> 00:51:26,079
Joe Rogan of goth I like to go on rats

998
00:51:26,119 --> 00:51:28,559
about stuff. And it doesn't mean I'm right, and I'm

999
00:51:28,599 --> 00:51:30,440
not concerned if I am or not, but it's just

1000
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,719
what I think. At my age, I get to do that.

1001
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,199
And we even have a segment called old Man, Get

1002
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:39,480
Off My Lawn. And I get and we both rent,

1003
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,039
but it's kind of set up for me to go

1004
00:51:41,119 --> 00:51:44,440
at it and say things that, you know, the way

1005
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,119
I see them. I get lots of messages people that

1006
00:51:48,159 --> 00:51:49,760
agree with me, and I get a lot of messages

1007
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,320
don't agree with me, and neither one cares. I could

1008
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,760
carry the wise because I'm not being I'm not being mean.

1009
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,920
I'm just being honest about what I think. So it's fun.

1010
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,079
We love it. It's it's a lot of fun.

1011
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:04,159
Speaker 2: How long you've been doing with him?

1012
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: We started last year, So I'm trying to think our

1013
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,119
first show it was is it weekly?

1014
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:11,119
Speaker 2: Is it it's.

1015
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,599
Speaker 1: Getting more weekly? Yeah, we did the first with as

1016
00:52:13,639 --> 00:52:15,920
many and it was kind of did Lucas like it?

1017
00:52:16,199 --> 00:52:20,079
And and uh and and in reality, I mean, there

1018
00:52:20,119 --> 00:52:22,519
was some methods to the madness. Lucas I think would

1019
00:52:22,519 --> 00:52:24,960
be one of the best TV broadcasters ever because he

1020
00:52:25,079 --> 00:52:28,679
is smart, and he's witty, very he's a very funny guy.

1021
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,119
But he's an honest guy. He's authentic and a little

1022
00:52:32,159 --> 00:52:33,480
bit it was to see how he liked being in

1023
00:52:33,559 --> 00:52:36,119
front of that microphone and.

1024
00:52:36,039 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 2: Well, he's not really animated, he's at least not on

1025
00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:41,760
the microphone because I heard the I heard the series

1026
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:46,239
that on him that Matchanella did. I've heard it multiple times.

1027
00:52:46,599 --> 00:52:49,760
Speaker 1: He's no, he's getting more amped up. He he good,

1028
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,800
he's amped I mean, it's just like live, it's gonna

1029
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,079
take some time, it's gonna he's getting more comfortable. He's

1030
00:52:56,119 --> 00:52:58,880
an incredible interviewer. We have guests on and he interviews

1031
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,360
him and it's fun to do him ask questions and

1032
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,960
I mean he yeah, and he's and you know, he

1033
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,079
does research and stuff and so it's not just like

1034
00:53:06,159 --> 00:53:09,039
he's just not guessing on it. But he has really

1035
00:53:09,159 --> 00:53:12,159
enjoyed it. And I have too. I mean, I mean he's,

1036
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:13,960
like I said, he's of my best friends in the world.

1037
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,079
And I love hanging out with him, listening with him,

1038
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:18,599
and we have dinner most of the time for together,

1039
00:53:18,679 --> 00:53:21,559
and so yeah, I've enjoyed it. I don't know if

1040
00:53:21,559 --> 00:53:23,719
I'm hurting him more helping him, but you know, we'll

1041
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,519
say they kicked me off, will know I was hurting.

1042
00:53:28,599 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 2: Listen. If you're getting emails, if you're getting you know,

1043
00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:36,960
messages from listeners, good or bad, you're engaging. Yeah, right,

1044
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,920
that means that they they have some passion about absolutely,

1045
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:41,360
trust me.

1046
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: I know, I know it's good in bad publicity, right.

1047
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:51,559
Speaker 2: Right, right, exactly exactly. You mentioned to me also before

1048
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,159
we started recording, that you're writing a book. Yeah, well,

1049
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:57,840
let's talk about that.

1050
00:53:58,159 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: If anybody knows me, they know I've been writing it forever.

1051
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,840
I mean, I'd probably spouted out so long they're probably

1052
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,559
tired of me. Yeah, I I've got a lot in me,

1053
00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:11,480
as you know talking to me. My dad was, you know,

1054
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:16,119
played some pro baseball and became a minister in the

1055
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:20,400
United or formerly United Methodist Church. And they're not united anymore.

1056
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,199
But my dad, and he was a Buddha to me.

1057
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,320
He taught me life. He taught me to the point

1058
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,280
that I went to the same undergrade college at High

1059
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,960
Point University he did. And my dad went so late

1060
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:35,679
that that I actually studied the theology under the same

1061
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:36,880
professors he did.

1062
00:54:37,639 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 2: Wow.

1063
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: And and the big joke was that, you know, one

1064
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:43,599
time I called my dad and said that, you know,

1065
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,199
I'm thinking about maybe following his footsteps. I loved what

1066
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,239
he did, you know. And and he after he quit

1067
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,679
laughing and got up off the floor. Because I was

1068
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,880
not known to go inside of those buildings that have

1069
00:54:54,039 --> 00:54:57,440
altars and pews and organs. I won't call them churches.

1070
00:54:57,639 --> 00:55:01,920
But but I just that didn't appeal to me. But

1071
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,840
I did appeal to my dad's way of life. And

1072
00:55:06,639 --> 00:55:09,000
when he said it, he said, son, I'm not a preacher.

1073
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,920
I'm a minister, and and minister means to serve, and

1074
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,719
you can serve from anywhere, so don't. And my last

1075
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:18,800
conversation with my dad in two thousand and eight, a

1076
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,880
few weeks before he passed away suddenly was he looked

1077
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,000
at me, he said, you became a minister, Bud. And

1078
00:55:24,039 --> 00:55:26,480
I was like, really, and he goes, yeah, you remember

1079
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,000
you used to tell me No one comes to my

1080
00:55:28,119 --> 00:55:31,519
house to tell me how things are going great. They

1081
00:55:31,559 --> 00:55:34,079
only call me when there's a problem. And he goes,

1082
00:55:34,119 --> 00:55:37,280
and being around you when you answer the phone, you

1083
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:39,280
not many clients call you and say, hey, I just

1084
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,559
want to let you know I'm playing great. Life is wonderful,

1085
00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:44,039
and something's happened. And I looked at him and I said,

1086
00:55:44,039 --> 00:55:45,599
I really did become a missioner, and.

1087
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,679
Speaker 2: So that's pretty powerful exchange.

1088
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and with your dad. So I've never been like

1089
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,920
anyone else in this business. I didn't. I don't do

1090
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,760
it for money. I'm not. I don't care about that

1091
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,679
part of it. I really care about these young men

1092
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,079
and women that I get to represent and try to

1093
00:56:03,079 --> 00:56:05,719
help them through life, not just through God. They know

1094
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,239
what to do on the golf course, it's all the

1095
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,920
other things. And most of them have never had a job.

1096
00:56:10,039 --> 00:56:13,440
Most of them played golf since they were four. They're

1097
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,599
insulated to life. And what people don't realize on the

1098
00:56:16,599 --> 00:56:19,239
outside is they go through everything that all of us

1099
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,559
go through. They go through deaths and the families and

1100
00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:25,159
divorces and the highest highs and the lowest lows, and

1101
00:56:25,199 --> 00:56:26,920
I'm usually get to be a part of all of them.

1102
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:30,800
I'm the ABC Sports you know that thrill of victory

1103
00:56:31,079 --> 00:56:33,239
and agony of defeat. You know, I get it all.

1104
00:56:33,599 --> 00:56:36,039
And I've enjoyed the contrast of that. I've been through

1105
00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:39,519
some incredibly great things, and I've been through some things

1106
00:56:39,519 --> 00:56:41,719
that I don't so tragic that I never want to

1107
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,760
go through again. And so through what my dad taught

1108
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,679
me and then what I've always had this way of

1109
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:54,320
relating goth and life, and every lesson in life and

1110
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,920
every lesson in God are almost parallel. And everything you

1111
00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,599
got to do to be a good golfer. You've got

1112
00:56:59,599 --> 00:57:01,559
to do to live a good life. I mean, you've

1113
00:57:01,559 --> 00:57:05,079
got to be dedicated, you've got to be consistent. You've

1114
00:57:05,079 --> 00:57:07,079
got to be religious. And I don't mean religious in

1115
00:57:07,079 --> 00:57:12,840
a sense of religious like of a Christianity or Buddhism.

1116
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,800
I'm talking about religiously do things. I mean most of

1117
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,320
us religiously brush our teeth right, But when you're going

1118
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,000
to be great at something, you've got to do certain

1119
00:57:21,039 --> 00:57:23,119
things religiously. I mean you've got to get up and

1120
00:57:23,159 --> 00:57:25,920
do things and be committed. And so I've always had

1121
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:29,519
all these disciplined Yeah, all these stories that I relate

1122
00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:32,679
to God. I told you one about Justin Leonard that

1123
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:37,199
taught me something that's life. And so I have been

1124
00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:42,760
putting them together forever, forever and never, and just recently

1125
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,039
what I needed was a title. I know that sounds kooky.

1126
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:50,760
And Michael Bamberger who told me that everyone has a

1127
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:54,000
book in them and that's where they shug remain. And

1128
00:57:54,679 --> 00:57:56,639
I hope Michael's not mad at me for not letting

1129
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:02,639
keeping mind inside. But these stories that it's like a

1130
00:58:02,679 --> 00:58:06,639
motivational book, but it has to have GoF involved because

1131
00:58:06,639 --> 00:58:08,960
that's what I'm known for I'm known from my experience

1132
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,840
of thirty four years in goth and behind the doors

1133
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:18,599
and knowing things, and someone finally came up. The title

1134
00:58:18,599 --> 00:58:20,599
of the book is going to be called Parts for

1135
00:58:20,719 --> 00:58:23,480
GoF because I've got a good buddy that calls me

1136
00:58:23,559 --> 00:58:25,480
parts and he's the one that tells me, man, would

1137
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,400
you write your book? Would you just write your book?

1138
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,079
And it's really what it is. It's par for God.

1139
00:58:30,199 --> 00:58:34,000
There's just it's the par of par for par for

1140
00:58:34,119 --> 00:58:37,320
the course. And my parts for the course is kind

1141
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:41,360
of like telling you life is everything that happens is

1142
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,360
par for the course. I mean, people will tell you

1143
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,119
I've got a misstic connection and had to spend the

1144
00:58:47,159 --> 00:58:49,079
night in a hotel as I did last night, I

1145
00:58:49,119 --> 00:58:51,800
mean in the airport, and that's just par for the course.

1146
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,480
That's what life is. And what we try to teach

1147
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,199
our guys is that you know the outcome of life.

1148
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,639
We know the outcome, We know where this ends, right,

1149
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:04,400
And you know when you travel on a highway that

1150
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,079
you could get caught in a traffic jam. You know

1151
00:59:07,159 --> 00:59:09,239
that when your caddy gives you a club, you could

1152
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,000
be the wrong club. You could hit it in the water.

1153
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,960
These are all outcomes of your life. Why do they

1154
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,440
call so much anxiety and so much anger? You should

1155
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,320
already be accustomed to the outcomes that are possible with

1156
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,639
anything you pursue. So if you fly on a public airline,

1157
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:28,440
expect cancelations and delays and misconnections. Don't let it bother you.

1158
00:59:28,719 --> 00:59:31,079
Just move through it. And that's the journey. And that

1159
00:59:31,239 --> 00:59:35,159
is the contrast. So long answer to your thing, I

1160
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,360
finally have got them pretty much all compiled at an

1161
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,880
editor and I'm going to pop it out there and

1162
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,320
it might sell ten books. I didn't really, I'm not

1163
00:59:44,719 --> 00:59:47,119
writing it to sell it, as those people tell me.

1164
00:59:47,159 --> 00:59:48,800
I'm writing it to get it out of me so

1165
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:50,159
I can quit thinking about it.

1166
00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 2: So that's interesting.

1167
00:59:52,519 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 1: We'll see.

1168
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:58,039
Speaker 2: So I'm sure that you have an office where you live,

1169
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:02,119
but you're not in it now. You're in a hotel room.

1170
01:00:02,679 --> 01:00:06,719
Give me an overview of what your life is like.

1171
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:10,599
Your schedule is like during the golf season or is

1172
01:00:10,599 --> 01:00:11,880
it twelve months a year like that?

1173
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,719
Speaker 1: It's pretty much twelve months a year. Well, I am

1174
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,800
very lucky. I am really fortunate. I'm in I mean

1175
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:24,840
catch on Idaho, Sun Valley, Idaho. I snowboard. I snowboard religiously.

1176
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,519
It is my that is my passionate life is I

1177
01:00:27,559 --> 01:00:30,079
snowboard every moment I can, the mountains right behind me. Here.

1178
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:34,639
I base in the winter in Idaho. And as I said,

1179
01:00:34,679 --> 01:00:37,719
I flew from Monday. I flew to the American Express

1180
01:00:38,719 --> 01:00:40,679
as I would if I wherever I was, I would

1181
01:00:40,719 --> 01:00:42,679
be there Funday and I leave Thursday. That's I go

1182
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,199
to the terminal Monday and come home Thursday. Once they

1183
01:00:45,239 --> 01:00:48,039
start playing, I'm out of there. They've got their job

1184
01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:51,000
to do. So I base here in Idaho. I am

1185
01:00:51,119 --> 01:00:53,920
very fortunate. I've got a great base in friends here.

1186
01:00:55,519 --> 01:00:58,239
Otherwise I'm in St. Simon's Island, Georgia, which is another

1187
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:02,639
incredible resort. So I'm so I base there. But if

1188
01:01:02,679 --> 01:01:06,119
I'm not in the office, which if everybody knows, I

1189
01:01:06,199 --> 01:01:09,039
really don't have an office. I have people that have offices.

1190
01:01:09,159 --> 01:01:12,079
I usually just set in one of their offices because

1191
01:01:12,079 --> 01:01:16,480
my phone is my office. And but I travel to

1192
01:01:16,599 --> 01:01:19,880
tour events, quite a few tour events. Because I've got

1193
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:21,800
players on the PGA Tour, I've got players on the

1194
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,639
LIB Tour, I got players on the Cornfrair Tour. I

1195
01:01:24,639 --> 01:01:27,760
have players on the Challenge Tour, on the DP World Tour,

1196
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,360
on the Asian Tour. Now, I have partners that live

1197
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,280
in Europe that handle most of those over there. I've

1198
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:37,199
got partners right now in Dubai at that tournament, and

1199
01:01:37,239 --> 01:01:40,480
I have partners that will be at San Diego. So

1200
01:01:40,719 --> 01:01:43,920
someone in my company will be on site pretty much

1201
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:49,599
every event. Not you know, it's like anything else, it's

1202
01:01:49,679 --> 01:01:52,559
just it's your they're your they're your clients, and they're

1203
01:01:52,599 --> 01:01:54,239
your friends, and you want to be there some and

1204
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,960
catch on what's going on. And we've you know, there's

1205
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,239
several of us in this company, so we don't all

1206
01:01:59,239 --> 01:02:03,079
have to travel every week. But so about every third

1207
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:08,000
or fourth week, I'm out on a tour event until

1208
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:13,239
until Florida. As Greg Norman says, the tour starts in Florida.

1209
01:02:14,159 --> 01:02:18,639
Coming to Florida, I'm I'm at five out of six

1210
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:23,559
events a week. And why is that? Because we're building

1211
01:02:23,639 --> 01:02:26,480
up to Augusta and when the Masters happens. When you

1212
01:02:26,519 --> 01:02:29,840
go to the Masters, that's what kicks it off. And

1213
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,599
you've already kind of laid ground work for your clients,

1214
01:02:32,599 --> 01:02:35,920
You've got the stuff done, and then at the Masters,

1215
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:39,480
everyone that's involved in golf. Well, if it's every corporation,

1216
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:42,159
we'll be there. So that's when you have to be there.

1217
01:02:42,199 --> 01:02:45,480
So you know, it's like you're conspicuous by your absence.

1218
01:02:45,519 --> 01:02:47,719
You have to be at these events. And so that's

1219
01:02:47,719 --> 01:02:50,880
pretty much my life is like throughout the year, I'm

1220
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,840
never working and I'm never on vacation and people I

1221
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,800
have had people go, he's all screwing off in the mountains.

1222
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,239
And now I've been on the phone all day doing

1223
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,519
my job. And if i can sneak out and snowboard

1224
01:03:01,559 --> 01:03:03,880
for a few hours, absolutely I do. And if I'm

1225
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:07,000
at home with Saint Simon's, everybody knows you'll see me

1226
01:03:07,039 --> 01:03:09,119
on the back of the range at Frederica, you know,

1227
01:03:09,239 --> 01:03:12,039
hitting swinging in silly golf swing and trying to hit

1228
01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:15,719
golf balls. It's kind of my man yoga. It's the

1229
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,719
greatest job and it's the worst job. And when I

1230
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:22,079
speak at sports marketing classes, I write on the board

1231
01:03:22,119 --> 01:03:25,559
everybody wants the job they think I have. You know,

1232
01:03:26,119 --> 01:03:29,199
you better love it because you know I'm sleeping on

1233
01:03:29,239 --> 01:03:33,840
floors in the airport sometimes to get back and again

1234
01:03:34,719 --> 01:03:37,239
ninety percent of the time, if a client's calling me

1235
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,920
is not calling me to tell me how good things are.

1236
01:03:40,119 --> 01:03:46,000
Something's happened, right, and and but again, I you know,

1237
01:03:46,119 --> 01:03:48,719
that's what I'm here for, right, I'm here. And if

1238
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,920
it's not them, it could be a spouse. If it's

1239
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:55,119
not a spouse, it could be a parent. And I'm

1240
01:03:55,159 --> 01:03:57,519
there for all of them because it takes a village

1241
01:03:57,559 --> 01:04:01,199
to raise a pro goffers. I tell them.

1242
01:04:02,199 --> 01:04:06,119
Speaker 2: I just had a schedule to call today to talk

1243
01:04:06,119 --> 01:04:10,920
to a young man who's at Carlton College and he

1244
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:14,119
he wants to be in the sports business, and because

1245
01:04:14,119 --> 01:04:16,800
he's a huge sports fan, and I'm telling him, well,

1246
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,920
wait a minute, I wanted this conversation. It's like, do

1247
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,840
you love sports, Because if you love sports, be a fan.

1248
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,559
If you love the sports business, then we can have

1249
01:04:26,599 --> 01:04:29,960
this conversation. Absolutely, it's a very different thing because if

1250
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,079
you're a fan and you start working in it, you're

1251
01:04:32,079 --> 01:04:35,280
gonna end up hating the sport because of the amount

1252
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,000
of hours and the little pay that you're going to

1253
01:04:37,039 --> 01:04:37,719
make doing.

1254
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:40,079
Speaker 1: That, and a lot of pro goffers in it. That way,

1255
01:04:40,119 --> 01:04:42,800
it becomes a job and you don't see him small anymore,

1256
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,320
And you know, it's sad. I hate to see it

1257
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,519
when it becomes a job that these guys. Hey, look,

1258
01:04:47,639 --> 01:04:50,159
I have people, honestly that think, you know that I'm

1259
01:04:50,159 --> 01:04:52,760
not working, and because I enjoy it so much, I'm

1260
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,480
having fun. I even, you know, sometimes I'm like a

1261
01:04:55,599 --> 01:04:57,360
duck in my feet or kicking under into the water

1262
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,159
like crazy. But I'm not going to let you know it.

1263
01:05:00,199 --> 01:05:03,400
And but I've made you know. As I said, I've

1264
01:05:03,559 --> 01:05:07,159
always told people that if you don't love your job

1265
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,480
enough to where people can't tell when you're working and

1266
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:13,119
when you're not, you're probably in the wrong job. And

1267
01:05:13,519 --> 01:05:16,519
I got lucky. I you know, it's all luck. I

1268
01:05:16,719 --> 01:05:19,599
had no intention in college of doing this. I turned

1269
01:05:19,599 --> 01:05:23,760
out to be okay at it, and you know, and

1270
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:25,920
then I've built around it. I love the snowboard. Well

1271
01:05:26,039 --> 01:05:28,480
guess when GoF has least played in the winter time.

1272
01:05:29,199 --> 01:05:31,519
You know, Christmas is my favorite time. I'm going to

1273
01:05:31,559 --> 01:05:33,159
get five or six days that no one's going to

1274
01:05:33,239 --> 01:05:36,039
bother me except maybe wish me happy Merry Christmas, and

1275
01:05:36,079 --> 01:05:38,000
I'd get my kids out and we go hang out,

1276
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,679
and I get that moment. But my have I answered

1277
01:05:40,679 --> 01:05:43,440
a phone call from a client on every day of

1278
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:48,480
the year before absolutely, Christmas Day, New Year's Day, three

1279
01:05:48,519 --> 01:05:51,360
in the morning, absolutely in its own and it will

1280
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,400
stay on when I'm snowboarding. If you call me and

1281
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,559
your name, because it tells me who's on the phone.

1282
01:05:56,679 --> 01:05:59,440
If it's somebody I want to talk to, I answered

1283
01:06:00,159 --> 01:06:02,079
down on to where everyone's slope and talk to him.

1284
01:06:02,119 --> 01:06:04,280
What do you need or not? Or I get or

1285
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:07,239
I'm known to get on the gondola and write an

1286
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:09,920
email or send a proposal and get off snowboard and

1287
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,719
come back do it again. So I tell everyone. Look,

1288
01:06:13,079 --> 01:06:14,760
I know I'm lucky in the since I get to

1289
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,920
do that. But you know, but I tell anybody, whatever

1290
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,679
you're doing, try to make it to where they can't

1291
01:06:20,679 --> 01:06:23,280
tell you're working. If not, get do something else. But

1292
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,159
I know a lot of people that have jobs just

1293
01:06:25,199 --> 01:06:27,840
to make the money, and I you know, that's that's okay.

1294
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:32,159
But I mean, yeah, I mean it doesn't. It doesn't

1295
01:06:32,159 --> 01:06:35,119
appeal to me. I don't. I certainly don't. I have

1296
01:06:35,239 --> 01:06:37,280
a lot. You can imagine how many people call me

1297
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:39,280
and want to get into my business. I mean, I've

1298
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,119
had surgeons call me that want to get out of surgery,

1299
01:06:42,159 --> 01:06:43,960
and I'm like, man, you know you're really good at that.

1300
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:48,159
I think what I do would drive ninety percent of

1301
01:06:48,159 --> 01:06:51,800
the people in the world crazy because I'm never off

1302
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:55,599
and Friday nights at seven or but I don't want

1303
01:06:55,639 --> 01:06:57,360
to be. These are my clients. I signed up for this.

1304
01:06:57,559 --> 01:07:00,599
I don't sign people I don't like either, So people goes,

1305
01:07:00,639 --> 01:07:02,039
why do you have to have dinner with these guys?

1306
01:07:02,079 --> 01:07:04,519
I want to see how they treat their waiters and

1307
01:07:04,559 --> 01:07:06,760
there's water people, because you know I'm going to be

1308
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:08,239
serving them too. I want to see how they treat

1309
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,000
people at serve them. But you know that's the other

1310
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,519
thing about golf. I mean, you know this, friend, ninety

1311
01:07:13,599 --> 01:07:16,360
nine percent of people in golf are great people. They're fun,

1312
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:20,000
they're different. Some of them are nicer than others. But

1313
01:07:20,639 --> 01:07:22,880
golf tracks really cool people.

1314
01:07:26,119 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 2: Well, you want to talk about lucky, I would have

1315
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:33,519
to say that I am incredibly lucky because you cross

1316
01:07:33,599 --> 01:07:40,360
my path. I feel I just enjoy so much. You know,

1317
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,239
we record for over an hour, but we talk a

1318
01:07:43,239 --> 01:07:45,760
lot more than that, and I really appreciate your time.

1319
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:47,599
Speaker 1: Then thank you man, Thanks so much for having me out.

1320
01:07:47,639 --> 01:07:48,960
You're the best. I appreciated