1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,759 Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big 2 00:00:08,839 --> 00:00:12,279 Fight Weekend. Now here is your host, TJ. 3 00:00:12,599 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 2: Leaves Well, we get ready for a weekend and hopefully 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:18,760 has lots of better action. 5 00:00:18,879 --> 00:00:21,039 Speaker 1: Of course, we left off with the inn await great fight. 6 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:22,679 Maybe we can pick up where we left off. 7 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 2: In fact, we have a top ranked ESPN show in 8 00:00:25,519 --> 00:00:28,199 San Diego featuring e Manuel Navarate in a. 9 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: Very entertaining co feature fight to go over. 10 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 2: We're gonna preview that big British fight in Nottingham, England 11 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,039 with junior lightweight's Anthony Kasachi and Lee Wood. To talk 12 00:00:38,079 --> 00:00:42,200 about even a world title fight in Japan. That's an 13 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:46,560 intriguing rematch that's coming before we are back here on 14 00:00:46,759 --> 00:00:49,719 Sunday in Japan, Sunday morning in the US, Sunday night 15 00:00:49,719 --> 00:00:51,200 in Japan. We're ready to go over all of it. 16 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:52,960 It is the Big Fight Weekend preview. I am the 17 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:54,079 somewhat competent host. 18 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,479 Speaker 1: TJ. Reeves, Hello, Dan Rayphiel. We are at the. 19 00:00:57,479 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 2: Stage right now where you and I have been talking 20 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,079 to each other more and our spouses, and I don't 21 00:01:01,079 --> 00:01:04,359 know how I feel about that, because we've got the 22 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,680 preview pod here. We've already done and let me prop 23 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,439 you great, great work. They need to go find it. 24 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,040 We did almost an hour on the anniversary of Diego 25 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:18,840 Corrales is amazing reversal TKO as I keep calling it 26 00:01:18,879 --> 00:01:23,359 against Jose Luis Castillo. That's on the YouTube page exclusively. 27 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:24,840 If you're listening to us on the podfee going what 28 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,079 the heck are you talking about? You didn't do it 29 00:01:26,079 --> 00:01:28,439 on the podfeed, No, peeps, we did it on the 30 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:32,560 YouTube page. Go check it out. We've been promoting the link, 31 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:35,840 We've been sharing it socially, et cetera. If you go 32 00:01:35,879 --> 00:01:39,120 to the YouTube page, just look from Wednesday night under 33 00:01:39,159 --> 00:01:40,319 the latest thing that we did. 34 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,159 Speaker 1: And Dan has tremendous on propping you. 35 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 2: Has tremendous recollection of what went on, including spending time 36 00:01:47,159 --> 00:01:52,239 with Corrales after the win at the hotel suite, reviewing 37 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:56,120 the fight with him a couple of days later. Great memorabilia. 38 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,359 You got a ton from that fight. So go check 39 00:01:59,400 --> 00:01:59,799 it out on. 40 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, because it was the twentieth anniversary. 41 00:02:03,599 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, so go check that out on YouTube. We're 42 00:02:06,519 --> 00:02:09,400 pimping that. We're promoting that as part of the pod again. 43 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:11,960 We preview going into the weekend. We recap coming off 44 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,520 the weekend. Make sure you follow, make sure you subscribe. 45 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,599 We do have a winner that followed instructions. As we've 46 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,919 been doing now for the last couple of weeks. We 47 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,159 were asking you to help rate us and review us 48 00:02:23,159 --> 00:02:26,240 because those help out. 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Thank you, but make sure you're 68 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,199 subscribed and make sure that you are also making comments 69 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,520 on the videos, etc. So some of you have been 70 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,840 making some comments and we like that, so keep it up. 71 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: We're on many different platforms. 72 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:24,759 Speaker 2: I haven't even gotten to the fact that we'll have 73 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,319 a bet Us Handicapping show back on the regular schedule 74 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,000 at one Eastern time tomorrow. We're talking to each other 75 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,199 even more this week. And by the way, it's my 76 00:03:33,319 --> 00:03:35,319 wedding anniversary. I say this to you every year the 77 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,520 second weekend in May. It's my wedding anniversary every year. 78 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,479 At this time, I'm talking to you more than I'm 79 00:03:40,479 --> 00:03:43,080 talking to Missus Reeves. I'm gonna get in trouble here 80 00:03:43,159 --> 00:03:45,439 coming up. Please put up with me for a long time, 81 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:49,479 as has Missus Rayfield with you. In any event, We've 82 00:03:49,479 --> 00:03:54,360 got news Rayfield seriously, is many Paki? 83 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:55,879 Speaker 1: How legitimately? I know? 84 00:03:55,919 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 2: This is the news segment later on? Is many Paki? 85 00:03:58,039 --> 00:04:02,120 How legitimately? Considering coming out of retirement and somebody's going 86 00:04:02,199 --> 00:04:04,240 to sanction him to be in a world title fight? 87 00:04:04,599 --> 00:04:06,520 This is legit for later on in the show, while 88 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:07,159 we do a tease. 89 00:04:07,479 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: This is not a spoof now, this is one. 90 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 3: All right? 91 00:04:11,919 --> 00:04:13,319 Speaker 2: More on that in a little bit. Yeah, I think 92 00:04:13,319 --> 00:04:15,800 you can already tell how I feel. I did look 93 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,120 it up. He's forty six. He's forty six. 94 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: And a half. He'll be forty later this year. All right. 95 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,199 Speaker 2: Later in the show, later in the show on that 96 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,560 we even got Manny nostalgia later on in the show too. 97 00:04:28,399 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: Stand by for that. 98 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,079 Speaker 2: All right, So we're gonna get to the fight, previews 99 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,279 and all of the news real quick here in a 100 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:33,680 little bit. 101 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: Previews are straight ahead. The winner of the contest. What 102 00:04:38,639 --> 00:04:39,040 we did. 103 00:04:39,199 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 2: I had seventeen, by my count, seventeen that followed directions. 104 00:04:43,519 --> 00:04:45,680 I don't know how many of you were unable to 105 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,240 complete the task, but I but those that contacted me, 106 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,360 I found seventeen that. 107 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: From me and you that so they're clear mind correct. Combined. 108 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 3: We found out that people I don't want the people 109 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,399 to think that hit me up on my Instagram social 110 00:05:00,439 --> 00:05:01,160 that I didn't give you this. 111 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 2: You send me about a half dozen of them that 112 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:08,399 successfully either rated us or reviewed us on Apple, Spreaker, Spotify, wherever, 113 00:05:08,639 --> 00:05:11,920 and demonstrated that they had subscribed to the YouTube page 114 00:05:11,959 --> 00:05:15,959 both that was the instruction. The total number is seventeen 115 00:05:16,199 --> 00:05:20,160 that I compiled together I used I listed the seventeen. 116 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,639 I used a randomizer to pick a number between one 117 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:28,439 through seventeen. The randomizer picked eleven, lucky eleven for Tyler Torres. 118 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:33,759 Speaker 1: Tyler Torres, Hello, come on dad, you are the winner. 119 00:05:34,399 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 2: And Dan Rayfield will get in touch with you because 120 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,800 he's one of the ones that contacted you, I believe 121 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,959 through Instagram. So when the legit Tyler Torres, the same 122 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:45,879 guy under the same ID says. 123 00:05:45,759 --> 00:05:47,439 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I won, Oh my god, I won. 124 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,240 So what I will do if Tyler is listening is 125 00:05:51,319 --> 00:05:55,319 I will go back to our Instagram message exchange and 126 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,279 I will ask you or you can send me if 127 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:58,680 you heard this. Before I get in touch with you, 128 00:05:59,079 --> 00:06:00,839 I need to hear to send to your address so 129 00:06:00,879 --> 00:06:01,759 I can send you. 130 00:06:02,439 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 2: A little chatsky, a little nick knack, whether it be 131 00:06:05,879 --> 00:06:11,120 a cup, a collector cup from what the room key 132 00:06:11,199 --> 00:06:13,279 card with the fight poster on the key card. Those 133 00:06:13,319 --> 00:06:15,560 are always cool, but it may be something else. Tyler, 134 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,160 You're a winner. Never let it be said that we 135 00:06:18,199 --> 00:06:19,519 don't help out the savages. 136 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: And so there you go. It's all. It's all good. 137 00:06:23,319 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 2: Thank you, and thank you, and continue to rate us, 138 00:06:25,759 --> 00:06:28,240 review us and subscribe to what we're doing because it. 139 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: Helps us out. 140 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 2: All right, so all the promos are done, The contest 141 00:06:32,959 --> 00:06:35,120 brief contest winner that we did from the last couple 142 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,920 of weeks is done. I will say this, I am 143 00:06:37,959 --> 00:06:40,759 interested always in e Manuel Navaraate and here he is 144 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,279 back defending the WBO Junior lightweight title. I would love 145 00:06:44,319 --> 00:06:48,920 to say that I know something about our unbeaten Charlie Schuarezrez. 146 00:06:49,079 --> 00:06:50,439 Speaker 1: I don't know a lot about him. I want you 147 00:06:50,519 --> 00:06:51,519 to educate me on him. 148 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,959 Speaker 2: This is the ESPN Top Rank show that leads off 149 00:06:53,959 --> 00:06:58,120 our preview mode for Saturday night in San Diego. All right, 150 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,480 let's go with with this one as Navarata. One things 151 00:07:02,519 --> 00:07:05,399 for sure. Navarate throws a lot of punches and he 152 00:07:05,439 --> 00:07:08,959 gets hit. So this should be again we qualify, should 153 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:10,279 be an entertaining main event. 154 00:07:10,319 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: Give me more. 155 00:07:11,439 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 3: Well, he's always in good fights. I mean, that's the 156 00:07:13,199 --> 00:07:15,680 most important thing if you ask me. But he's been 157 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,560 discussing in the build up to the fight that he's 158 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,879 returning to this arena in Sant Diego called the Pachanga Arena, 159 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,279 where he has fought before and scored some wins, and 160 00:07:25,079 --> 00:07:27,879 in his mind though two fights ago when he decided 161 00:07:27,879 --> 00:07:29,519 to go up from one hundred and thirty pounds to 162 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,759 challenge Denny's Brentchik for the title at one hundred and 163 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:34,839 thirty five pounds. That was when the WBO title was 164 00:07:34,959 --> 00:07:37,920 vacant and because he was a reigning champion at one 165 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,560 hundred and thirty, he was eligible under the rules also 166 00:07:40,639 --> 00:07:42,879 challenge for the thirty five pounds title if he wanted to. 167 00:07:42,879 --> 00:07:45,160 In Brentchick was the number one contender. So they fought 168 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,040 that fight back in May, you know, off last year, 169 00:07:48,199 --> 00:07:50,360 so a little over about a year ago, and he 170 00:07:50,439 --> 00:07:53,120 lost a split decision, but it really wasn't that close frankly. 171 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,800 So that was in the same building. So now after 172 00:07:55,839 --> 00:07:57,600 that fight was over, he went back down and wait, 173 00:07:57,879 --> 00:08:00,319 he scored the six run knockout against Oscar val Dez 174 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,519 in their rematch. I remember in their first fight that 175 00:08:02,519 --> 00:08:04,879 took place in twenty twenty three, he won a decision 176 00:08:04,879 --> 00:08:06,959 against Valdez in a really outstanding fight, but it was 177 00:08:06,959 --> 00:08:10,199 a very clear decision. That was back in one hundred 178 00:08:10,199 --> 00:08:12,439 and thirty pound title fight also, so he comes off 179 00:08:12,439 --> 00:08:15,720 that victory against Oscar Valdez having returned to the junior 180 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,839 lightweight division. He'll be defending the title now once again 181 00:08:17,839 --> 00:08:20,399 at one hundred and thirty against Charlie Swarez. Now he's 182 00:08:20,439 --> 00:08:22,920 also you know, can be in the mix with any 183 00:08:22,959 --> 00:08:24,639 of the guys in those and in and around those 184 00:08:24,639 --> 00:08:28,439 weight classes. My hope was that Top rank would have 185 00:08:29,079 --> 00:08:31,199 made the obvious fight that they said they were interested 186 00:08:31,199 --> 00:08:34,919 to make, which is a unification fight between Nevereta, who 187 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,360 was the WBO champion and the other champion that they 188 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,120 promoted in the weight class, the WBC champion O Shaggie Foster. 189 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,080 Contrast of styles, and you know, for their reasons, they 190 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,200 decided not to make the match. That kind of irritated me. 191 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,360 So he fights Charlie Suarez, Charlie Swarez. You said, well, 192 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,519 who the hell is Charlie Swarez. He's a guy that 193 00:08:52,639 --> 00:08:55,720 is a Filipino fighter. He is undefeated, he is eighteen 194 00:08:55,759 --> 00:08:58,799 and zero. But it's not like he, you know, has 195 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,000 fought a who's who or any thing of the you know, 196 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,080 even remotely close to that. He has fought a couple 197 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,039 of fights on some top rank undercards. If you watch 198 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,799 the you know, the stream preliminaries that they that they 199 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,080 do for their events, So you know, I suspect it'll 200 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,360 be a fun fight. I mean, usually you take a 201 00:09:15,399 --> 00:09:18,879 Mexican fighter, you match him up with an undefeated Filipino fighter, 202 00:09:18,879 --> 00:09:21,000 you're probably gonna get some kind of entertainment value out 203 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,039 of it. But Suarez has not really done much to 204 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,759 be sort of, you know, merit the fight of my opinion, 205 00:09:25,759 --> 00:09:27,200 I'm not saying he's not a good fighter. I'm just 206 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,360 saying if you look at his record, there's not a 207 00:09:29,399 --> 00:09:33,240 single guy on there that is any uh, anywhere close 208 00:09:33,279 --> 00:09:35,320 to being what you'd say is a top level contender 209 00:09:35,879 --> 00:09:38,360 or or guys that you might have heard of. He 210 00:09:38,399 --> 00:09:40,320 has fought most of his fights in the Philippines. He's 211 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,360 coming to America now this will be you know, he's 212 00:09:42,399 --> 00:09:45,240 fought here in it. This will be his fourth consecutive 213 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,600 fight in the United States. But like I said, those 214 00:09:47,639 --> 00:09:51,679 fights were sort of on those undercards against nobody in particular. 215 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,240 So again, it doesn't mean he's no good, but what 216 00:09:55,279 --> 00:09:57,919 it does mean is it doesn't have the type of 217 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,519 spice that would get a casual and to say, oh, 218 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:02,559 I really need to see that fight on the top 219 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,799 rank ESPN show, and and that's uh, that's a problem. 220 00:10:05,879 --> 00:10:08,039 I mean, I don't. I still don't quite understand why 221 00:10:08,039 --> 00:10:11,519 they didn't make the Foster fight to unify. That would 222 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:12,240 be a bigger deal. 223 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: Uh. 224 00:10:13,039 --> 00:10:14,639 Speaker 3: You know, only top rank knows the answer to that. 225 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,000 I've never gotten a real answer to it. But so 226 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,000 be it. That's the main event. Never at They's always 227 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,039 good for a fun fight. 228 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 2: And Navarati, as you mentioned, did pummel Valdez and looked 229 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:27,159 a lot better after looking slow at one thirty five 230 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,759 and out of shape. Honestly, I think against Baranchick, I think, 231 00:10:29,879 --> 00:10:31,279 you know, what do I know? But I think he's 232 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:35,120 better suited at the lower weight, So maybe that maybe 233 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:36,960 that will be an indication here that this is going 234 00:10:37,039 --> 00:10:38,399 to be an easy night for him. 235 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: I always love him, I always say this. I always love. 236 00:10:41,879 --> 00:10:45,879 Speaker 2: Him for the the different the uniqueness of the left 237 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,480 upper cut, the wild angle left upper cut punches that 238 00:10:49,519 --> 00:10:51,600 he throws from every because you don't you rarely see 239 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,919 fighters that utilize that punch or happy He's always had 240 00:10:55,919 --> 00:10:56,799 that punch. 241 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,279 Speaker 3: He reminds me. I mean, they're they're different in theirs, 242 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,360 but the unorthodox nature of the way they punch, and 243 00:11:03,399 --> 00:11:06,480 the reckless abandoned with they punch and you also using 244 00:11:06,519 --> 00:11:09,960 both hands. It is reminiscent in some manner because of 245 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,000 the way the way I just describe the way they fight. 246 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,279 He's kind of like a little bit of a you know, 247 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:18,279 a heavier version of Rafael Espinoza, who's the WBO featherweight champion. 248 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,840 Now that's the fighter we just saw on the in 249 00:11:20,879 --> 00:11:23,480 a way undercard and do his thing against Vasquez and 250 00:11:23,519 --> 00:11:27,320 score his knockout. And I know that that Espinosa's at 251 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,919 twenty six, and I think waiting and hoping that Inawe 252 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,200 will come up to fight him in the featherweight division. 253 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,360 But you know, it's not like he has the easiest 254 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,399 time making featherweight. I would absolutely love that would be 255 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,600 a monstrously exciting fight if they were to do Spinoza 256 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,519 going to thirty to match them with Navarette. I mean, 257 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,279 the punches would be coming from all angles, all over 258 00:11:46,279 --> 00:11:46,919 the place. 259 00:11:46,759 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: As we like to say, sign me up. 260 00:11:48,399 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 2: So we will look for that one in the main 261 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,919 event with Navarate in the cold feature. I know you 262 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:54,919 are very high and have been for a while on 263 00:11:55,039 --> 00:11:58,919 Raymond Murataya, tell me more about Abdolajev and this is 264 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:03,600 the vacant IBF interim lightweight title. Here we go again 265 00:12:03,639 --> 00:12:06,639 with the IDF. This one makes sense teaching go ahead. 266 00:12:06,799 --> 00:12:09,279 Speaker 3: This is an interim title that actually is the logical 267 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,639 reason why interim titles should be used. This is not 268 00:12:12,759 --> 00:12:15,799 the nonsense that is used by some of the other organizations. 269 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,240 It's used when there's a champion who is bonified injured, 270 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,639 such as the case currently with the silly Lomachenko who's 271 00:12:22,639 --> 00:12:24,639 been dealing with the back injury and also still not 272 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:26,679 sure if he's even gonna try to fight again even 273 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,039 if he overcomes the back injury. And so you have 274 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,879 the top contenders who've been waiting for that opportunity knowing 275 00:12:31,919 --> 00:12:34,039 that that Oma is out of the ring for an 276 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,200 extended period of time. So the IBF has done what 277 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,440 they should do in this instance, which is ordered the 278 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,679 interim title fight, and then the winner will be obligated 279 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,919 and vice versa, Lomachenko obligated if he returns to fight 280 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:46,720 the winner of this fight in the title fight. If 281 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,320 Loma decides not to return or to vacate the title, 282 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,960 then whoever wins this fight on this card will become 283 00:12:52,039 --> 00:12:54,840 the IDF lightweight champion. So Murataya has been a guy 284 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,320 that's been waiting for this opportunity for a while. He's undefeated, 285 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,759 you know, a good offensive minded fighter trained by Robert Garcia. 286 00:13:02,399 --> 00:13:04,440 You know, sometimes we've seen him kind of fight down 287 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,279 to the level of his opposition. I don't know if 288 00:13:06,279 --> 00:13:09,120 it's boredom or you know, with lack of motivation. I 289 00:13:09,159 --> 00:13:11,440 can't speak to that. He did have a close fight, 290 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,720 but got a good win against Tevin Farmer back in 291 00:13:14,919 --> 00:13:16,840 July of last year. That's probably the biggest name on 292 00:13:16,919 --> 00:13:18,360 his record. And Farmer has been in the ring with 293 00:13:18,399 --> 00:13:20,440 a lot of good guys, you know. But another guy 294 00:13:20,519 --> 00:13:22,840 like a Jamea Jeremiah Nakatia that's been in the ring 295 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,559 with a lot of good fighters. You know, he wiped 296 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,679 him out in a couple of rounds. It looked good 297 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:28,240 in that fight. You know, he's done what he's supposed 298 00:13:28,279 --> 00:13:29,799 to do. You know, this is a worthy type of 299 00:13:30,159 --> 00:13:33,799 fight for him. Zaar Abdaliav is a Russian fighter who 300 00:13:33,919 --> 00:13:36,480 has only got one defeat. You got to go back, 301 00:13:36,519 --> 00:13:39,399 you know, several years ago when he fought against Devin Haney, 302 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,320 back at the time when it was for the This again, 303 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:43,840 this was an interim title fight and not how much 304 00:13:43,879 --> 00:13:46,080 you love them. He was fighting for an interim title 305 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,120 fight at lightweight against Haney and Hen he knocked him 306 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,720 out in the fourth round. But that's his only loss 307 00:13:51,759 --> 00:13:54,240 Since then, He's won, you know, several fights in a row, 308 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,440 and he's beating some like pretty decent guys along the way. 309 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,519 He beat the former champs, the John's laticin In, he 310 00:13:59,639 --> 00:14:02,600 defeated did Cory lenaroz Soo granted was you know, sort 311 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,519 of on his last legs. He knocked him out in 312 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:06,679 the twelfth round. Back a few years ago, he beat 313 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,279 Ricardo Nuniez, who was a pretty decent contender. Roman Andrev. 314 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,279 I mean not names that are like household, Roger Gutierrez 315 00:14:13,279 --> 00:14:15,519 who is a former world champion. But he's been doing 316 00:14:15,519 --> 00:14:17,399 what he's supposed to do. He's been winning. He's won 317 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,720 several of those fights by knockout. He was high in 318 00:14:19,759 --> 00:14:21,840 those ratings. And so now he gets the opportunity here 319 00:14:21,879 --> 00:14:25,200 to do this fight against Abdelia. And I have to say, 320 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,039 having seen Abdelia fight a several times, and you can 321 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,200 go look, he's got a handful of fights that have 322 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,200 shown up there on YouTube. He's got a couple that 323 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,759 have been on ESPN plus, the Top Rank has done 324 00:14:34,799 --> 00:14:37,720 the events and you certainly can find Mura Tia fights. 325 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,919 He's been on ESPN and Top Rank under cards many 326 00:14:39,919 --> 00:14:43,279 many times. Style Wise, I think this is actually a 327 00:14:43,279 --> 00:14:45,799 good fight. I mean, title or no title, these guys 328 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,240 are gonna make I think a very interesting matchup. 329 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,159 Speaker 1: I trust you whenever you tell us that. 330 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,919 Speaker 2: Now, again, we thought we had some decent fights going 331 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:53,759 into last week. 332 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: But I mean, I you know, again, there's a lot 333 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:58,159 on the line. 334 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 2: There's a lot on the line here for Mura Taya 335 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,480 in the lightweight division, and we'll see if Abdelijah gives 336 00:15:04,519 --> 00:15:07,120 him a good shot. 337 00:15:07,159 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 3: This also, TJ is the guy who wins if he 338 00:15:10,159 --> 00:15:12,799 becomes the full champion of the IDF because Loma either 339 00:15:12,879 --> 00:15:16,039 vacates or decides to retire. That puts Top Rank in 340 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,320 the position where they're gonna have the guy who's well, 341 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,159 they don't have uh, they're not promoters of Abdelia. That 342 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,200 was a deal they made with this promoter. But if 343 00:15:23,279 --> 00:15:25,879 very High is the winner, they'll have Murratai as a 344 00:15:25,879 --> 00:15:28,799 title holder in the lightweight division. I have Navarette as 345 00:15:28,799 --> 00:15:31,720 a title holder in the junior lightweight division, who obviously 346 00:15:31,799 --> 00:15:34,159 would perhaps move up again at some point. And they 347 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,120 also have the WBO champion in the lightweight division, which 348 00:15:37,159 --> 00:15:39,279 is the young rising star and that's Keishan Davis. So 349 00:15:39,679 --> 00:15:42,159 they've got fighters on the top rank roster among others 350 00:15:42,159 --> 00:15:45,360 that will make good fights or quality connectors. And as 351 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,600 I mentioned, they able Shaki Foster who also could find 352 00:15:47,639 --> 00:15:50,559 himself decided to move up and wait. So this is 353 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,360 a very like you said, not only is it to 354 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,279 get the interim title, but it sets up a lot 355 00:15:54,279 --> 00:15:56,960 of possible business and money for the guy that emerges 356 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,720 as the winner, especially if it's Murthaya given his ties 357 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:00,399 to tie break. 358 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:05,039 Speaker 2: So that is San Diego on Saturday night, State Classy 359 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,559 San Diego on Saturday Night. Now, earlier in the day, 360 00:16:08,919 --> 00:16:12,519 we've got the Queensbury Desown main event from Nottingham, England, 361 00:16:12,519 --> 00:16:15,360 and this is getting a lot of hype right now 362 00:16:15,919 --> 00:16:19,399 for Lee Wood and Anthony Kassachi. Now you know Kasachi 363 00:16:19,919 --> 00:16:22,519 obviously as a former world champion, but now he has 364 00:16:22,639 --> 00:16:27,519 moved up to junior lightweight here for this showdown and Dan, 365 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:31,200 give me more here because this is a great setting. 366 00:16:31,759 --> 00:16:33,679 And I was checking out some of the press conference 367 00:16:33,679 --> 00:16:35,919 earlier today. There's a lot of anticipation in the UK 368 00:16:36,039 --> 00:16:38,200 for this one Saturday afternoon US time, but Saturday night 369 00:16:38,279 --> 00:16:40,240 primetime in London. 370 00:16:40,639 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 3: And I mean Kasace, as you recall, had the big 371 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,120 upset where he won the IBF title at one hundred 372 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,600 and thirty pounds one of the cards in Saudi Arabia 373 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,200 and Lee Wood has been a popular champion that was 374 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,679 from also from the UK, that had vacated that title 375 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,360 and hadn't fought for a while. You know though he 376 00:17:00,519 --> 00:17:02,879 you know, well back to Kassat for a minute, he 377 00:17:02,879 --> 00:17:06,279 had scored like a big upset stopped Joe Cordina to 378 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:09,559 win the belt. When he fought his next fight that 379 00:17:09,599 --> 00:17:12,279 took place in September last year against Josh Warrington. Because 380 00:17:12,279 --> 00:17:14,359 Warrington hadn't really been active, hadn't really fought in the 381 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,279 weight class, hadn't really looked good, blah blah blah. Whatever 382 00:17:16,319 --> 00:17:19,680 the reasons are, they the IBF did not sanction that 383 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,920 fight as a title defense. Now Casace holds the nominal, 384 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,160 much lesser regarded IBO belt. For whatever that's worth, I 385 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,039 don't think it's worth much. But he decided to give 386 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,799 up the IBF title and now he'll defend that IBO 387 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,680 belt for again. I'm just making the factual point here 388 00:17:36,079 --> 00:17:38,480 that that's going to be the title he defends against 389 00:17:38,519 --> 00:17:42,319 Lee Wood in this matchup. Now, Lee Wood had had 390 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,279 a series of popular fights. He had the great knockout 391 00:17:45,279 --> 00:17:47,240 against Michael Connin if you remember, he had the back 392 00:17:47,279 --> 00:17:49,759 to back fights with Mauricio Lara one where he got 393 00:17:49,799 --> 00:17:52,559 stopped some a little controversially, then he got the win 394 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,200 in the rematch. Then he also fought Warrington and knocked 395 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:56,880 him out. But that was all the way back in 396 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,359 October of twenty twenty three and he has not fought since. 397 00:17:59,519 --> 00:18:01,799 There was some efforts to make some type of big 398 00:18:01,839 --> 00:18:04,799 fight for him, you know, in his home and in 399 00:18:04,839 --> 00:18:07,000 one of the big outdoor stadiums he comes from. You know, 400 00:18:07,079 --> 00:18:08,920 this is a hometown fight for me. He's from Nottingham 401 00:18:09,559 --> 00:18:11,599 for whatever the reason. Are took quite a while, but 402 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:16,039 Kasachi gives up the actual world title belt. He's gonna 403 00:18:16,039 --> 00:18:17,799 fight him, and the fans don't care. I mean, if 404 00:18:17,799 --> 00:18:19,279 you want to see a good fight. These are popular 405 00:18:19,319 --> 00:18:22,240 figures where they're from and they match up, it will 406 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,799 probably be a fun fight. Now I've been to Nottingham, England. 407 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,279 I covered I went there for Carl Frotz fight once 408 00:18:28,319 --> 00:18:31,000 many years ago when I was doing the ringside commentary 409 00:18:31,039 --> 00:18:33,319 for the Epics Network and we were in like about 410 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,559 an eight thousand seed arena when Carl Frotz regained or 411 00:18:36,599 --> 00:18:39,480 not regained, but he won the ibl's Superman awight till 412 00:18:39,559 --> 00:18:41,880 he had held other belts in the supermanoweight division. But 413 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,559 he won the IBF title in what was considered an upset, 414 00:18:45,599 --> 00:18:47,680 even though it was in his hometown against Lucianbute, who 415 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,119 had traveled from Montreal and was the away fighter. He 416 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,200 and Carl Frosch looked great. The point I'm making is 417 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,839 that the Nottingham fans turned out like crazy that night. 418 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:58,839 The city was on fire that night. You know, we 419 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:00,880 joked around that the city probably ran out of beer 420 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,319 that night. That's how excited and how great of an 421 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,920 atmosphere was. I will tell you being in eight thousand 422 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,799 seed arena, it sounded like it was eighty thousand though, 423 00:19:08,839 --> 00:19:10,640 you know the way it was, And we were doing 424 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,720 that fight at ringside. So in this particular fight, it's 425 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,039 taking place in a much larger arena, and Leewood is 426 00:19:17,079 --> 00:19:21,240 a popular fighter from Nottingham. I suspect given that Kasachi's 427 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,039 got some fans, even though they're not from Nottingham, they'll 428 00:19:23,039 --> 00:19:26,480 turn out. Also. It will be an amazing aage. It'll 429 00:19:26,519 --> 00:19:28,279 be a lot better than Times Square A read at 430 00:19:28,279 --> 00:19:30,680 six thirty in the morning, that's for damn sure. And 431 00:19:30,799 --> 00:19:32,559 then they'll put on, you know, hopefully a good fight. 432 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,640 I mean, one thing about Lee Wood, he is moving 433 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,440 up from featherweight into the junior lightweight division, so that's 434 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,680 always something to keep your eye on. But Kasace, you know, 435 00:19:40,759 --> 00:19:42,400 even though he came out of nowhere in that big 436 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,440 upset that he won when he won the title against Cordina, 437 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,000 he does only have one loss. You got to go 438 00:19:48,039 --> 00:19:50,400 all the way back to twenty seventeen. He lost a 439 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,880 twelve round decision that was awfully close on the score 440 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,279 cards against a fighter that was undefeated at the time, 441 00:19:55,279 --> 00:19:57,400 Martin J. Ward. And he has not lost since then. 442 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,839 And he's also notched you know, the big wins against 443 00:20:00,079 --> 00:20:03,880 against Cordeena and Warrington. So I mean, I feel like 444 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:05,640 this is going to be another fun fight. I mean 445 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,440 these are maybe you know, for the for the entirety 446 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,799 of the weekend, Navarette and Suarez, who's not known, Lee 447 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:17,079 Wood and Casace again, not the biggest name is necessarily worldwide, 448 00:20:17,079 --> 00:20:19,160 but certainly at least in the home area for Nottingham 449 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,839 and in the UK maybe. But even though they're not 450 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:26,000 the biggest fights, all things considered, I think both of 451 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,559 them probably shape up to be fights that when we 452 00:20:28,599 --> 00:20:31,200 get back on to do the recap podcast, we're not 453 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,119 going to be ditching and moaning that they're shitty fights. 454 00:20:33,319 --> 00:20:37,079 Speaker 2: I would say, yes from your lips to their gloves 455 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,039 and some action exactly. All right, let's move on on 456 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:41,279 Saturday real quick. 457 00:20:41,839 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: The Pro Box car. 458 00:20:43,039 --> 00:20:44,839 Speaker 2: We don't talk a lot about the Pro Box TV cards, 459 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,480 but this is not far from me in Kassimi, Florida, 460 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,480 the Orlando suburbs. That's where Ericson Lubin will fight our 461 00:20:51,559 --> 00:20:57,039 Drill Holmes in an IBF Junior middleweight eliminator. All right, 462 00:20:57,079 --> 00:20:59,319 so Holmes had kind of been an up and comer, 463 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,720 had been on the Showbox series. Lubin is a former 464 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,799 world champ, had the wild fight with Sebastian Fundoro. Right, 465 00:21:05,839 --> 00:21:08,359 all right, what else do we make of this Saturday? 466 00:21:08,799 --> 00:21:09,279 Speaker 1: Go ahead? 467 00:21:09,559 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 3: Well, it's a good matchup. Like you said, their stakes 468 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,680 because the winner will become the mandatory for the IBF 469 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,799 champion at one hundred and fifty four, which is Baker Martazeleev. 470 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,240 Last week seen of him, he was destroying Tim Zou 471 00:21:22,599 --> 00:21:24,880 in a few rounds and knocking him out very brutally, 472 00:21:25,559 --> 00:21:27,920 and so this is for that. Now Lubin, you know, 473 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,279 has been a tantalizing prospect. Now then become a contender. 474 00:21:31,599 --> 00:21:35,559 But he's taken, you know, a couple of tough losses 475 00:21:35,559 --> 00:21:38,000 by knockout. As you mentioned, he got stopped by Sebastian 476 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,559 Ferndora in the ninth round. That was three fights ago. 477 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,599 If you go way back before that, you know he 478 00:21:42,759 --> 00:21:45,240 was way in over his head, way too young, way 479 00:21:45,279 --> 00:21:47,920 too soon. He got absolutely destroyed in the first round 480 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,160 by Jermel Charlo. That was a WBC on hundred fifty 481 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,240 four pound world title fight. Since the Fandora loss, he 482 00:21:55,279 --> 00:21:58,119 has won two fights in a row. He beat Luis Arius, 483 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,680 who was a one time contender. He got to win 484 00:22:00,799 --> 00:22:04,640 over Hayesus Ramos in September of twenty twenty three, a 485 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,400 fight I was ringside for. I thought he got a 486 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,200 gift in that fightage. I thought Ramos won that fight. Yeah, 487 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,880 but it is what it is. So he was highly 488 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,039 ranked in the IBF. He goes into this fight. Holmes 489 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,279 is a Dimitri Salita fighter who was undefeated, more of 490 00:22:19,319 --> 00:22:21,960 a boxer than a puncher, doesn't really make great fights. 491 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,559 But maybe Lubin, because of his offensive minded style, that 492 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,039 he'll force him to maybe dance with him a little 493 00:22:29,039 --> 00:22:32,200 bit closer, let's say, than on the outside just boxing 494 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,519 and moving and not giving much entertainment. But Holmes, you know, 495 00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:37,319 he's the south paw, he's from Flint, Michigan. He is undefeated, 496 00:22:37,319 --> 00:22:41,200 seventeen to zero with six knockouts, and you know, thirty 497 00:22:41,279 --> 00:22:45,880 years old. But it's two American contenders looking to take 498 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,880 the next step up and put themselves in a title 499 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,680 shot position. For Lubin a chance to get another title 500 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,400 shot and for Holmes the chance to get the first 501 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,200 title shot. Holmes says, you know, for me, he's a 502 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,680 good boxer, but he's never really like been super impressive. 503 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,640 And Lubin, who I picked several years ago as the 504 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,400 prospect of the year, had to be honest as underwhelmed 505 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:05,880 and so but this is a chance for both them 506 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,480 to put all that stuff behind them. 507 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: And from the area. So maybe there'll be some atmosphere. 508 00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 3: But it is a home it's a home game for 509 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,559 when he's from Orlando, because to me is like next 510 00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:15,119 door Ostrack. 511 00:23:15,279 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 2: But the other thing is Lubin hadn't fought anybody, as 512 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:19,920 you mentioned, for virtually eighteen months. 513 00:23:20,039 --> 00:23:22,079 Speaker 3: So and when he did fight the last fight, I mean, 514 00:23:22,079 --> 00:23:23,359 I thought he lost against Romps. 515 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 2: But and here we go again with one PBC fighter 516 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,240 after another. We will name it that stays inactive, inactive, inactive. 517 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:31,880 And I don't know what we're gonna get Saturday night. 518 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 3: If Lubin is the winner, he'll be the first PBC 519 00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:38,400 fighter of consequence coming off of a long, long layoff 520 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,200 to get a win. Because most of the time when 521 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,480 those guys come off the long layoffs, Charlow and plenty 522 00:23:42,519 --> 00:23:45,039 of others, Uh, they take a loss. Why it happened 523 00:23:45,039 --> 00:23:48,839 with Wilder, it happened with Charlot, It's happened with Errol Spence. 524 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,960 I mean, we can go on down chapter and verse. 525 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,799 So hopefully for Lubin's sake, you know, maybe he can 526 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,400 reverse the curse, as they say. 527 00:23:55,839 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 2: All right, and then we get to Sunday. This will 528 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,279 be Sunday morning, US time, Sunday night in Tokyo, the 529 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:07,359 rematch of Fernando Puma Martinez and kaz Ioka. What was 530 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,480 a highly entertaining first fight. They will battle for martinez 531 00:24:11,559 --> 00:24:15,359 is WBA Junior bantamweight title. This was a fight that 532 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:20,000 during the fight week, Martinez came to Japan and became 533 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,960 ill a few days before the fight week and was 534 00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:27,279 unable to fight Ioka and everything was called off. So 535 00:24:27,319 --> 00:24:30,079 now it's been rescheduled and now they're fighting on Sunday. 536 00:24:30,079 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: Fill in the blanks a little more, if you would. 537 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,319 Speaker 3: When they met in July of last year, it was 538 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,920 to unify the WBA and the IVF titles, and they 539 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,200 turned in, as you mentioned, just a tremendous battle. I 540 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,160 picked it as one of the top I forget exactly 541 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,960 what number I had at, but it was in the top, 542 00:24:43,279 --> 00:24:45,160 you know, five, let's say something like that. Will fight 543 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,359 to the are a really outstanding, high fast paced, high 544 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,759 class boxing, really really good fight, one of the better 545 00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:56,000 fights you'll see, just a really and it was not 546 00:24:56,079 --> 00:24:58,079 a total shocker. I mean, I've seen Ioka in plenty 547 00:24:58,079 --> 00:24:59,960 of good fights through the years. He's a I've said 548 00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:02,359 just before, like a borderline Hall of famer. In my opinion, 549 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,319 Martinez doesn't have that level of accomplishment. But nonetheless, so 550 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,839 after that fight was over, because of mandatory obligations, Martinez 551 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,400 he vacated the IBF title, and so now it's only 552 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,720 gonna be for the WBA title, the one that's taking 553 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:22,240 place on Sunday, unfortunately at the moment, and I don't 554 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,000 think this is going to change. There's no like official 555 00:25:24,039 --> 00:25:28,799 American television. For in Mexico, it's on the ESPN Knockout Show. 556 00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:31,559 Some people picked it up on various satellite service, you know, 557 00:25:31,559 --> 00:25:33,400 if you're in the sort of the region, I guess. 558 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,680 But in any event, he'll defend the WBA title and 559 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,319 not see if they put another great fight. I mean, 560 00:25:38,759 --> 00:25:40,599 it was balls to the wall the first time around. 561 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,839 It was unfortunate what happened when they try to get 562 00:25:42,839 --> 00:25:45,640 the rematch going and the illness happened, but both guys 563 00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:49,160 stayed steadfast, And the reason that the title was vacated 564 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,640 was because for Martinez it was like, I can make 565 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:56,079 a way more money fighting this rematch against Ioka in 566 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,480 Japan than I can to fight an unknown IBF typically 567 00:25:59,519 --> 00:26:01,519 unknown I the F mandatory challenger. 568 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 2: And I know you're a great resource. What do you 569 00:26:03,519 --> 00:26:06,240 remember what wasn't this about ninety days ago? 570 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:06,559 Speaker 1: Was it? 571 00:26:06,599 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 2: At the was it the last fight of the year 572 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,599 New Year's Eve weekend that they was to do it. 573 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: That's when it was okay and they. 574 00:26:14,079 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 3: Ioka has fun. If you look at Ioka's record through 575 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,200 the years, ye, he's made a living fighting on New 576 00:26:20,279 --> 00:26:22,480 Year's Eve. He you know, he had fright. I mean, 577 00:26:22,839 --> 00:26:23,960 he's had other fights in the year. 578 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: I think it was like like seventeen times. 579 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,759 Speaker 3: It was like fourteen years in a row or something 580 00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:28,920 like that he fought on New Year's Eve. Then he 581 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,880 had other fights. Obviously he didn't just fight once a year, 582 00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:33,640 but some of those times he was fighting, you know, 583 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,880 once a year. But he's had a ton of New 584 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,839 Year's Eve fights in Japan. That's sort of like it's 585 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,680 kind of like that became his date the way you'd 586 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,759 see Canelo fight on single Mayo or on September second 587 00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:47,359 weekend for the Mexican Independency. 588 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,559 Speaker 2: So that's interesting that it's now taken five months to 589 00:26:50,599 --> 00:26:52,759 put it back together, to get him over there, get 590 00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:54,880 the money right, get the date right, the venue right, 591 00:26:55,759 --> 00:26:59,319 and we shall see will certainly recap it off the 592 00:26:59,319 --> 00:27:02,960 weekend on Sunday night, because again that's Sunday morning US 593 00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:06,079 time in Japan. Sunday Sunday morning US time in Japan, 594 00:27:06,079 --> 00:27:07,000 it will be Sunday night. 595 00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 3: For as it relates to Ioka, he doesn't get the 596 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,119 play in the hype that in a way gets or 597 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,720 that what we've seen from like recently, let's say Tarajiaani, 598 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,319 Na Katani. You know, guys who are in the pound 599 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,640 for pound discussion near the bob. Obviously in a way, 600 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,400 he's way at the top in a way deserves it. Obviously, 601 00:27:28,599 --> 00:27:31,559 Na Katani super exciting. Taraji is super exciting, been fighting 602 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,720 in Taraji, He's been in a million world title fights. 603 00:27:34,039 --> 00:27:36,759 But the guy that doesn't get to love is Ioka. 604 00:27:36,839 --> 00:27:39,039 Now I'm not saying he's on the same level talent 605 00:27:39,079 --> 00:27:42,240 wise or even you know, in terms of his popularity 606 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,400 at home in Japan as the guys I mentioned, But 607 00:27:44,599 --> 00:27:46,319 he's been around for a long time. He's been a 608 00:27:46,319 --> 00:27:49,079 professional since two thousand and nine. He's thirty one, three 609 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,079 and one, he's never been knocked out, He's won a 610 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,079 multitude of titles in different way classes, and he has 611 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,720 just been like the you know, old man river. He 612 00:27:56,799 --> 00:27:58,480 just keeps doing his thing and he keeps winning. He's 613 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,319 thirty six years old and he's fighting really well. Still, 614 00:28:01,599 --> 00:28:03,880 he did take the loss, I guess you know. Obviously 615 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,559 in the in the first fight with Fernando Martinez, it 616 00:28:06,599 --> 00:28:10,200 was highly competitive. One judge in that fight ridiculously. I 617 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:11,880 mean there's always that whack y al ier scored at 618 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,200 one eight, which was app that that judge should just 619 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,279 be you know, thrown off a pier if you ask 620 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:18,759 me with a cement block time round. 621 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,839 Speaker 2: So now you're coming over on board with me on 622 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,480 some of these judges, like the one that gave five 623 00:28:24,599 --> 00:28:26,200 rounds to Williams. 624 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 3: In one of the best fights of the year, where 625 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,880 the other guy took a lot of damage. He didn't 626 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:31,960 win one round stopped that. 627 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you, all right. Let's move to the news. 628 00:28:36,039 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 2: And I said it at the top, this is legit 629 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,880 about Manny Pacquiao. Let me ask it another way. How 630 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,079 is he in a world title fight four years after 631 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,039 he last had a substantive fight. 632 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: When he lost. 633 00:28:52,319 --> 00:28:54,319 Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna tell you to your. 634 00:28:54,279 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 2: Dennis Ugas and has it correct me if I'm wrong, 635 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,240 I must have missed something. Uh, he hasn't had a 636 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,799 fight in four years. How is he in a world 637 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,200 title fight four years later? Let's put aside the forty 638 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,599 six and a half year old part. 639 00:29:08,119 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: We'll get to all of that in a minute. How's 640 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:10,960 he in a world title fight? 641 00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 3: Well, he did have an exhibition where he looked horrible. 642 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,039 It almost got stopped. But that's a different story by 643 00:29:16,079 --> 00:29:18,839 against a kickboxer from Japan. So we want to discuss that. 644 00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:23,160 It's very simple. Number one, Barrios is an optional timeframe. 645 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,200 He doesn't have a mandatory to make. I don't get 646 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,480 me wrong, I'm not advocating it. I'm just telling you why. 647 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,680 And this is the bottom line. And anybody that knows 648 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,039 anything about just entertainment and business, when you're a legend, 649 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,319 membership has his privileges. End of story. 650 00:29:36,039 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you didn't phrase that the right way. When 651 00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:41,759 you were a legend, he was a legend in. 652 00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:43,519 Speaker 3: Will always be a legend. 653 00:29:43,599 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but he Okay, let me. 654 00:29:47,599 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 3: Let me reframehy Mhammad Ali get the title shot? 655 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,359 Speaker 2: Muhammed Well, Muhammad Ali got a title shot because he 656 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,119 was still in his late thirties and he had recently 657 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,559 beaten Leon Spain and defended the title another time and 658 00:30:01,599 --> 00:30:05,960 fought the next year while we're going over semantics everybody. Okay, 659 00:30:06,279 --> 00:30:08,160 but he was not forty six years old. That's a 660 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,279 different part of the argument. I'm back to this part 661 00:30:10,279 --> 00:30:14,359 of the argument, which is this is four years removed 662 00:30:14,359 --> 00:30:19,279 from fighting anyone. The WBC has other guys that they 663 00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:21,319 could say, you need to fight one of these other No, no, no. 664 00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:27,319 Speaker 3: That is not true. He's not in a mandatory period. Okay, 665 00:30:27,319 --> 00:30:31,160 So the WBC is a business Manny Packet is a legend, 666 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,440 and I'm not again, I'm not advocating the fight. You 667 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,000 asked me, why is it happening because there's a business 668 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,400 opportunity for Mario Barrios to make a lot of money. 669 00:30:39,519 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 2: I understand that you're not explaining anything to anybody that understands. 670 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,559 Speaker 3: But you know the answer. I shouldn't have to pay. 671 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,319 Speaker 2: So let me again say, why should we take the 672 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,960 WBC rankings seriously at all? 673 00:30:53,759 --> 00:30:54,799 Speaker 3: Did I ever say you should? 674 00:30:55,079 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 2: Okay, there we go, because we've seen example after example 675 00:30:58,519 --> 00:31:03,599 after example from then about this kind of stuff. Where yeah, 676 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,400 all right, so now we get to the part that 677 00:31:05,519 --> 00:31:07,640 he is forty six and a half years old. And 678 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,680 as you mentioned, how long ago was that exhibition? It 679 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,079 was at the at the end of the year, right, 680 00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:12,519 it was like December. I forget, but it was I 681 00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:16,799 think it was like December something like that. And it's 682 00:31:16,839 --> 00:31:17,480 now again. 683 00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 3: I'm not making excuses, and I have asked Many's people 684 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,640 about this. I was told flat out Many didn't train 685 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,160 a day for the exhibition, literally didn't train a day. Okay, 686 00:31:25,319 --> 00:31:26,400 that's just not mine. 687 00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:30,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, But at I mean, we're talking about forty 688 00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:33,079 six and a half and at some point too, don't 689 00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:35,920 commissions have to step in and as well look at 690 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,000 this and say. 691 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,839 Speaker 3: Well, I think you're being a little bit, a little bit, 692 00:31:39,119 --> 00:31:40,599 I'm not heavy handed. Here's the point. 693 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: I'm not. 694 00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:43,279 Speaker 3: It's not like he was out class and beaten up 695 00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:43,599 by organ. 696 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: It's not like he's thirty eight. It's not like he's 697 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:46,480 thirty seven. 698 00:31:46,519 --> 00:31:49,079 Speaker 3: It was the last fight in August of twenty twenty one, 699 00:31:49,799 --> 00:31:52,960 when he fought ugas, he competed. It was just it 700 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,960 was a competitive fight. He lost, like you know, seven 701 00:31:56,119 --> 00:31:58,839 five eighty four kind of fight. He didn't disgrace himself. 702 00:31:58,839 --> 00:32:00,759 He still could fight a bit and maybe not what 703 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,920 he was the second hind I get it. Listen, Let's 704 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,920 let's also go back a minute a couple of things. One, 705 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,400 this is not a one done deal, all right, That's 706 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,480 the main thing. The second thing is the WBC and 707 00:32:14,519 --> 00:32:16,759 Mauricio Suliman have said the fight's going to happen. There's 708 00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:18,640 been people I've talked to that said it's probably going 709 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,079 to happen. The date would be July nineteenth. That is 710 00:32:21,119 --> 00:32:24,480 a date that the uh PBC folks have requested and 711 00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:27,440 TGB have requested from the Las Vegas you know, from 712 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:32,039 the Nevada State Athletic Commission on their agenda. So nothing 713 00:32:32,079 --> 00:32:33,960 is going to happen though, because and we won't have 714 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,240 to find that we don't have to wait too long. 715 00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:40,000 But next week is the Filipino senatorial election. Akioas held 716 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,480 the Senate seat. He then left the Senate. He ran 717 00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:46,160 for president. He did not win. He didn't even come 718 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,000 in the top three, I don't think in the election. 719 00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:51,359 But then he ran again for another Senate or if 720 00:32:51,359 --> 00:32:53,839 he wins the election or he loses the election, I 721 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,279 guess it won't start immediately. There'll be a time frame 722 00:32:56,319 --> 00:32:58,480 in which would actually give him a few months where 723 00:32:58,519 --> 00:33:00,440 he could train and prepare for the fight and then 724 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,880 do his Senate business after the fight was over in July, 725 00:33:03,839 --> 00:33:06,319 and so it won't. We won't know for sure until 726 00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:09,000 after the Senate happens, whether you know, whatever the result is. 727 00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:11,720 At that point, Manny will probably make a public statement 728 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,200 and I expect him fully to announce he's going to fight, 729 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,440 and it will be against Brios. Now, the good news 730 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,960 is if that fight takes place, I am told not 731 00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:23,440 a done deal, but very very good chance that on 732 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,599 that card when Pakya would fight Barrios, that the co 733 00:33:26,759 --> 00:33:30,039 feature would be the rematch between Tim Zu and Fandora 734 00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:33,039 for Frendora's WBC title. So that would definitely add some 735 00:33:33,359 --> 00:33:36,680 spice and some bigger reason to tune into that pay 736 00:33:36,759 --> 00:33:39,079 per view. I'd totally be down for that. You put 737 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,759 many Pakyo coming back against a good, exciting fighter like Barrios, 738 00:33:43,119 --> 00:33:45,960 you throw on an excellent junior middleweight title rematch of 739 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,160 that very dramatic fight from last year, and now that 740 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,559 you've got yourself an event. But I'm not gonna make 741 00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:52,839 excuses say Manny Paco should be fighting for the title. 742 00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:54,920 But I've been around long enough to understand the way 743 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,119 the business operates. And then, like I said, when you're 744 00:33:57,119 --> 00:33:59,160 a legend, membership has this privileges. The end of the story, 745 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,480 it ain't that fucking comp And just. 746 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 2: So we're clear, because we're going to have back and 747 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,480 forth on this when it comes around again. 748 00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: But I'm just doing this preemptively. 749 00:34:07,799 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 2: You don't have the slightest concern that at forty six 750 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,280 and a half years of age that this shouldn't be happening. 751 00:34:15,079 --> 00:34:17,800 Speaker 3: Oh, I have my concerns, but I also am not 752 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,079 a doctor. I have faith in the medical professionals at 753 00:34:21,079 --> 00:34:23,400 the Nevada State Athletic Commission, who do as good a 754 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,719 job as anybody in boxing in terms of the way 755 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,280 they deal with medical things for their fighters. And so 756 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,320 if Manny pac Yo is able to go through the 757 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,599 battery of testing because of his age and because of 758 00:34:32,599 --> 00:34:34,079 the number of rounds he has had, he will be 759 00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:36,679 subject to more rigorous testing standards than if he was 760 00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:38,719 twenty five trying to get a boxing license. There is 761 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,599 a line of demarcation in terms of age and rounds 762 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,440 where they require additional medical testing, and he'll go through that. 763 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,519 If he comes out okay, so be it. He's a 764 00:34:47,519 --> 00:34:50,159 grown man. He makes his decision about what he wants 765 00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:52,079 to do with his life the way you and I 766 00:34:52,119 --> 00:34:54,079 make decisions about what we do with our life. And 767 00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:56,320 if he chooses to fight, and then that that Athletic 768 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,639 commission passes him to do it, you know, so be 769 00:34:58,719 --> 00:34:59,920 it not my fucking problem. 770 00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:03,760 Speaker 2: Muhammad Ali, by the way, was thirty eight when he 771 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,880 fought Larry Holmes, and I was incorrect. He did not 772 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,079 have a fight in between. He had beaten Spain since 773 00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:11,280 September of seventy eight. The Holmes fight was in October 774 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:17,239 of eighty. Also, thirty eight is not forty six, but it's. 775 00:35:16,639 --> 00:35:19,119 Speaker 3: A different time, you know. I don't want to make 776 00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:20,760 it sound like I'm advocating the fight, because I'm not. 777 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,519 I just I'm more real going back and understanding of 778 00:35:23,559 --> 00:35:24,440 the scenario than you are. 779 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,159 Speaker 2: Apparently, Mario Barrios barely held on to the title in 780 00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:30,320 a draw back on which is. 781 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,079 Speaker 3: Why some people might say, man, he's got a chance 782 00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:32,679 to actually win this. 783 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean it would be more entertaining to 784 00:35:34,679 --> 00:35:36,599 see that rematch with Ron. 785 00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:38,079 Speaker 3: It would do if I won't do any business. 786 00:35:38,119 --> 00:35:39,320 Speaker 1: Of course, it wouldn't do any business. 787 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 3: But here's the funny thing. 788 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,800 Speaker 2: I understand all the business parts. You don't have to 789 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,039 explain that. We all get it. The money's there for that. 790 00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 3: Yes, if the fight actually takes place in July, as 791 00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:52,400 I expect it will, this will be kind of crazy. 792 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,280 Many will be back in the ring boxing like a 793 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,679 month after he's inducted into the Hall of Fame. This 794 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,320 is the exact reason why I'm strongly against the Hall 795 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,519 of Fame's uh changed when they went from five years 796 00:36:03,519 --> 00:36:05,920 to three years of eligibility to be elected to the 797 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,159 Hall of Fame, because three years in boxing is very 798 00:36:09,159 --> 00:36:11,199 common for a guy to maybe take off, especially a 799 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:12,519 legend or an all time. 800 00:36:12,519 --> 00:36:14,679 Speaker 2: In this case, it's four for him because it's August 801 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,480 of a right at four August. 802 00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 3: But he was I'm saying he went to the eligibility. 803 00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:21,679 He was elected on the first ballot. You know, this 804 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,000 past December. The elections, the inductions will take place in 805 00:36:25,079 --> 00:36:28,280 mid June, and he's gonna fight theoretically in mid July. 806 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,159 So now, there are been fighters who have been elected 807 00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:33,960 to the Hall of Fame and then come back and fought, 808 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,519 But I don't know if there's ever been one that fought. 809 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: A month later. 810 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,119 Speaker 3: A month later. I mean, you know, Sugar Ray Leonard, when. 811 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,599 Speaker 2: The poster from the podium at the at the induction 812 00:36:44,679 --> 00:36:46,559 ceremony and catch me in July. 813 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,679 Speaker 3: This is actually a great view. This is a great 814 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,320 like trivia barbette type question. Who are the guys that 815 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,199 they were already inducted into Hall of Fame that came 816 00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:56,480 out of retirement to fight besides you? 817 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,800 Speaker 1: One off the top of your head, Sugar Ray Leonard 818 00:36:58,800 --> 00:36:59,239 would be one. 819 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 3: I can give you three. I'm not sure if there's 820 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,239 a fourth. Are there's there's at least four, I don't remember. 821 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,639 If there's five. Pacio would become one of them if 822 00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:08,639 the fight happens. But at Sugar Ray Leonard when he 823 00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:11,960 fought Camacho, a very bad decision that he made in 824 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,079 that one. Virgil Hill did it, the former light heavyweight 825 00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:17,400 champion and cruiserweight champion and Olympic medal winner. 826 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:18,639 Speaker 1: What about Larry Holmes? 827 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 3: No, he never, he never. Uh, he didn't come out. 828 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,320 He didn't. I didn't get in the Hall of Fame 829 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,519 and then fight after that. But the this is the 830 00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:27,880 tough one. This is the Alexis Argueyo did it. Also 831 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,199 there was another one he did it, so that's at 832 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,079 least five. The other two are are one I always forget, 833 00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:35,679 but it's a great one because they came out of 834 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,320 retirement to fight each other in a third fight of 835 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,920 their great rivalry. Does that give you a hint? 836 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,079 Speaker 1: I'm thinking with somebody else. 837 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,280 Speaker 3: Who is it a Zuma Nelson against Jeff Fennick. They 838 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:51,679 fought two fights against. 839 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:52,519 Speaker 1: Each other, would not have gotten that. 840 00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:54,559 Speaker 3: But yes, they're both in the Hall of Fame and 841 00:37:54,599 --> 00:37:56,719 they both came out of retirement many years later and 842 00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,079 fought each other in a third fight in Australia where 843 00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:02,400 Finnick is the know a legend. So Pakia would join 844 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,920 that list of greats that have fought after being elected 845 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:07,519 the Hall of Fame. 846 00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 2: More on Manny in a few moments with the nostalgia. 847 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,880 By the way, you have an interesting nugget off the 848 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,440 weekend on Canelo and Crawford. 849 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,519 Speaker 1: What have you found out for September? 850 00:38:18,159 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 3: So if you noticed, if you were still awake after 851 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,559 you watched the fight between Canelo and Williams Skull, and 852 00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:27,159 you saw Terence Crawford and Canelo in the ring having 853 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,320 the face off to announce that they would be fighting 854 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,639 each other in the obviously long expected fight on September 855 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,880 twelfth at the Allegiant Stadium in Las Vegas. I think 856 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,079 most people would have didn't announced the television of it, 857 00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:40,559 but most people are probably like, yeah, that's going to 858 00:38:40,559 --> 00:38:42,320 be a pay per view. Obviously, you know, there are 859 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,039 certain fights where nobody's going to bitch and moan or 860 00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:46,039 complain if it's a pay per view. That obviously would 861 00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:48,000 be one of them. But what I am told, and 862 00:38:48,039 --> 00:38:49,960 while it is not maybe one hundred percent signed, sealed 863 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,719 and delivered, let's use the popular vernacular of the day, 864 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,960 it's trending this way, this fight's going to be on Netflix. 865 00:38:57,159 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 1: Oh hello, not announcement as in not a pay per view. 866 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,199 Speaker 3: If that is the case, it'll follow the same kind 867 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,599 of thing they did with Mike Tyson against Jake Paul. 868 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,280 Netflix has its second ever boxing event coming up this summer, 869 00:39:11,559 --> 00:39:13,719 which is the all women's fight that will be all 870 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,679 women's card, headlined by fight number three between Katie Taylor 871 00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:20,639 and Manda Serrano, who obviously had their second fight on 872 00:39:20,679 --> 00:39:24,039 the undercard when Mike Tyson and j Paul had their event, 873 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:28,119 and this would be their next endeavor into professional boxing. 874 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,679 And as we've discussed in the past, if Netflix is 875 00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:34,679 going to become involved in boxing, you know they want 876 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,280 to do massive events, ten pull events, I've always gotten 877 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,400 the impression from TEK speaking to a lot of people 878 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,840 in the business who've had conversations with Netflix about perhaps 879 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,039 doing something is it's not like they're anti boxing or 880 00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:49,119 any other sport, but they don't want to just do 881 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,400 ron of the mill, you know, a monthly series, a 882 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,119 weekly series of this that they want it to be 883 00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:56,719 appointment viewing. They want it to be on the level 884 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,840 of this where people will have parties, people will invite folks, 885 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,559 people will subscribe, people will tune in, and will get 886 00:40:02,559 --> 00:40:05,360 a tremendous amount of publicity. But it won't be pay 887 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,079 per view, and that would be obviously a huge win 888 00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:10,599 for boxing bans. It's one thing for Jake Paul and 889 00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:12,880 Mike Tyson to not be on pay per view a 890 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,960 fight that was more of a curiosity than a real 891 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,639 box that was just more of you know. On the 892 00:40:18,679 --> 00:40:21,320 opposite end of the spectrum, this is two Hall of 893 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,599 Fame level fighters fighting for the undisputed super middleway title. 894 00:40:26,199 --> 00:40:28,519 Neither one of them may still be what they were 895 00:40:28,559 --> 00:40:30,440 when they were at their absolute best. Part, they're two 896 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,280 of the biggest names in boxing, two major stars, two 897 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,559 major fighters, and with massive accomplishments, and I find it 898 00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:40,119 to be fascinating because one of the hang ups when 899 00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:42,159 they were trying to do the Jake Paul Canelo fight. 900 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,880 This is before Canelo opted to take the deal from 901 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,159 Turkey al Chic and go and fight William Skull and 902 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,920 Conford and potentially two more fights next year in Saudi Arabia, 903 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,760 was they were basically done or almost done with a 904 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,400 deal from the fight Jake Paul. One of the hang 905 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,800 ups was the Canelo team wanted it as a pay 906 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,679 per view and Jake Paul had negotiated and wanted to 907 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,440 do the fight as a Netflix event. Apparently, though, Netflix 908 00:41:04,519 --> 00:41:06,639 is willing to pay a lot more money to do 909 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,559 a fight between Terence Crawford and Canelo, or at least 910 00:41:09,559 --> 00:41:12,239 Canelo's portion of that money would be greater than he 911 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:13,920 would have received had it been a non pay per 912 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,119 view on Netflix against j Paul. So again, like I said, 913 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,079 it is not a done deal. To my knowledge, it 914 00:41:19,159 --> 00:41:22,039 is not signed, but that is what is clearly in 915 00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:24,039 the process of being done. This would be a Netflix 916 00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:25,719 and I think that would be great for boxing fans. 917 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 2: Interesting, all right, stay tuned on that. Okay, one more 918 00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:34,000 nugget and that is Claressa shields she is going to 919 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,280 be back in action. Tell us more about what it 920 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,559 is and when it is for her. 921 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 3: So they announced that she will be fighting in her 922 00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:47,880 undisputed heavyweight title defense against the light heavyweight title holder 923 00:41:48,159 --> 00:41:50,920 of the IBF, Lanny Daniels. It will take place on 924 00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:53,519 July twenty sixth that the Little Caesars Arena in Detroit. 925 00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:56,840 That's a home game for Claressa. She's from Flint, Michigan. 926 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,800 She's fought in that building at least twice. To my recollection, 927 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,280 She's drawing nice crowds there. You know the matchup, uh, 928 00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:06,000 you know, Lennie Daniels is eleven to two and two 929 00:42:06,039 --> 00:42:08,440 with one knockout. She's thirty six years old from New Zealand. 930 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:13,039 You know, she does have the IBF title at light heavyweight, 931 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,719 you know. And I'm not I'm not knocking the matchup. 932 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,400 But the problem is when you get above a certain 933 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,639 weight limit in women's boxing, it's impossible. 934 00:42:20,639 --> 00:42:22,519 Speaker 1: We've talked about before. 935 00:42:22,599 --> 00:42:26,559 Speaker 2: It's just completely you love bereft, I love devoid of 936 00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:31,239 people distinguish distinguished. For me, what is the heavyweight and 937 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,880 light heavyweight difference for the women? 938 00:42:35,079 --> 00:42:36,760 Speaker 3: I don't even know because she's. 939 00:42:36,519 --> 00:42:40,119 Speaker 2: The light heavyweight IBF champion, but Claressa is the IBF 940 00:42:40,199 --> 00:42:41,119 heavyweight champion. 941 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,599 Speaker 3: The organizations do different weight limits for those higher up 942 00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:46,719 weight classes. I'm not even sure what they are. All 943 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,039 I know is the following. Claressa Shields is a generational 944 00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:54,119 fighter who has nobody to fight. She just doesn't have 945 00:42:54,119 --> 00:42:54,760 anybody to fight. 946 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,599 Speaker 2: She's beaten all of the fighters at middleweight and super 947 00:42:57,639 --> 00:42:58,280 middleweight at. 948 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,360 Speaker 3: The end and junior middleweight. She was a champion, and 949 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,320 she's moved up to scale. I mean, I guess if 950 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,119 the right fight was there, she would move down to 951 00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:07,719 some degree. I don't know how far down she could 952 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,880 get at this point, but it's unfortunate because her events 953 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,320 they just don't generate the kind of the spice that 954 00:43:16,639 --> 00:43:18,639 you'd want to see. I mean, this is not anything 955 00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:21,760 against Claressa, make that very clear. She's a great fighter, 956 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,679 really legit. I mean, she can box and she has 957 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,760 great skills, and she's got huge accomplishment both as an 958 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,199 amateur and as a professional. But she does not have 959 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,079 a rival to bring out the best in her or 960 00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:36,920 to make the public other than her diehards in the. 961 00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:38,800 Speaker 1: There's not a talent pool. What you're saying, there's not 962 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,320 a talent pool. That really matter of. 963 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,119 Speaker 3: Fact, if you take a look at the organizations, go 964 00:43:43,159 --> 00:43:45,719 on their websites and look at the women's rankings, you 965 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,880 will find in their heavyweight divisions, and some of them 966 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,920 don't even call it heavyweight, they call it light heavyweight, 967 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,599 or it's at a slower weight limit than you know. 968 00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:56,079 The two hundred plus and men's boxing. I think it 969 00:43:56,119 --> 00:44:00,280 was the WBO had nobody ranked in the division one 970 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:01,079 woman in the world. 971 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,960 Speaker 2: It's not as if it's not as if there weren't 972 00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:05,360 enough in the talent pool. 973 00:44:05,559 --> 00:44:09,000 Speaker 1: You're saying nil. There was a rod So I. 974 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,000 Speaker 3: Actually did this once. I forget the exact number. I 975 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,440 went through and I looked at all the four major organizations, 976 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,599 and if you added them all together, there was like 977 00:44:17,679 --> 00:44:20,760 fifteen women in the world that were ranked between all 978 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,679 the organs. Not he might not even been that many. Well, 979 00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:24,679 I'm only making the point that it's hard to get 980 00:44:24,679 --> 00:44:27,360 excited about a Clarssa, even though she's a phenomenal fighter 981 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,000 and pound for pound, the best female boxer in the world. 982 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,599 It has been for a long time. She's long since 983 00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:35,880 dispensed with the women that people thought might give her 984 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:41,119 a problem, Savannah Marshall for example, those types of opponents 985 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,400 Christina hammerback when she you know, that was considered a 986 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,000 big test for back like six five, six years ago. 987 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:48,920 I mean, the only fight out there and I don't 988 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,000 even think it's a fight, I think that Claressa absolutely 989 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,679 wants her easily would be a rematch against Franchise Cruise Dessern, 990 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,199 who was the undisputed Superman Await title holder champion after 991 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,079 Claressa was that champion. She's been stripped of a couple 992 00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:03,320 belts or giving up a couple belts. But they fight 993 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,800 each other. Actually, I was at the fight they fight 994 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,360 in their professional debuts, and a four rounder that was 995 00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:10,840 you know, a firefight for four rounds, and Claressa won 996 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,079 that fight. That was back in twenty sixteen, and so 997 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,280 that's the only fight I can even see remotely out 998 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,880 there for Claressa right now that people would even have 999 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,840 a minute care about would be a rematch with Franchion 1000 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:27,400 Cruz Dessern. So, you know, good luck to Lanny Daniels, 1001 00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:31,920 but it's just unfortunate that a fighter like that has 1002 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:32,519 nobody to fight. 1003 00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:37,119 Speaker 2: Well, it is what it is, all right, nostalgia before 1004 00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:40,039 we're gone and we're back talking Manny Pacquiao. We're back 1005 00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:43,360 talking twenty one years ago, as we do this headed 1006 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,000 into the weekend, maybe eighth of two thousand and four, 1007 00:45:46,119 --> 00:45:50,119 the first installment of the four fight series of Paqui 1008 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:54,679 How One Manual Marquez is May eighth, two thousand and four, 1009 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,239 twenty one years ago, as we do this podcast Thursday, 1010 00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:04,800 Thursday night into Friday, Marquez's IBF title, Manny's lineal featherweight title, 1011 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,199 as Rayfael always sticks in. 1012 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:06,639 Speaker 1: All right? 1013 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:08,599 Speaker 3: What he always sticks in? 1014 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,320 Speaker 1: You always stick in the lineal. 1015 00:46:10,639 --> 00:46:12,679 Speaker 3: That's a bigger deal than the IBF. The guy fucking 1016 00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,159 destroyed Marco Antonio Brera, all right, and the other guy 1017 00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:16,400 beat like genuine. 1018 00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:18,960 Speaker 1: Point out that you always stick it in. Don't get offended. 1019 00:46:19,159 --> 00:46:19,880 Speaker 3: I am offended. 1020 00:46:20,119 --> 00:46:21,880 Speaker 1: I point out that you always stick it in. 1021 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,760 Speaker 3: I'm not sticking it in. It's it's it's better than 1022 00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:29,840 you sticking in the IBF was more important, all right 1023 00:46:30,039 --> 00:46:30,280 to you? 1024 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,039 Speaker 2: It was more important Marquez had the IBF belt. And 1025 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,559 what else do we remember about? No winner that night? 1026 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,920 Speaker 3: It was a great fight, that's the most important thing. 1027 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,800 A tremendous battle set the stage for a four fight 1028 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,239 series that is I would say one of the greatest 1029 00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,719 series in boxing history. Whether it's three fights, four fights, 1030 00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,039 five fights, whatever, I mean, every single fight that they 1031 00:46:51,039 --> 00:46:53,559 had was at a very high level. All of them 1032 00:46:53,559 --> 00:46:56,559 were exciting. I mean, there was the one that maybe wasn't. 1033 00:46:56,559 --> 00:46:59,639 The best was probably the second fight, I guess, but 1034 00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,519 the first first fight was maybe I'm missing, maybe it 1035 00:47:01,519 --> 00:47:02,960 was a third fight I forget. All I know is 1036 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,360 that the first fight was outstanding. It was the one 1037 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,079 fight of the four that wasn't on pay per view, 1038 00:47:07,519 --> 00:47:09,519 and everybody got their money's worth on HBO that night. 1039 00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:12,800 But Manny was coming off of having absolutely destroyed Marco 1040 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,559 Antonio Brera, stopping him in the eleventh round to become 1041 00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:19,280 the lineal champion. Remember, Breer had gained that recognition by 1042 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:23,280 defeating Prince Nasim Ahmed Marquez. He had won the IBF 1043 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,639 belt against Manuel Medina, a much lesser fighter than Marco 1044 00:47:26,639 --> 00:47:30,840 Antonio Breer, which is why I placed way more gravitas 1045 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,159 on him being a lineal champion than Marquez having been 1046 00:47:33,199 --> 00:47:36,320 the IBF champion. But regardless, they fought a great fight, 1047 00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:39,719 and Pakiao scored three knockdowns in the first round, and 1048 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,920 you're like, oh shit, this fight's gonna be over. Joe 1049 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,440 Cortes was the referee. I thought he made the right 1050 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,719 call by not stopping the fight, because Marquez, although he 1051 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,960 was a little bit hurt, he wasn't out and it 1052 00:47:50,039 --> 00:47:52,960 was round one and he got up off the deck 1053 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,280 and showed the will and the heart that he's always had, 1054 00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,159 and he fought a tremendous battle after that. And when 1055 00:47:58,199 --> 00:48:01,000 the fight was all said and done, Burt Clements scoring 1056 00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:05,000 the fight one thirteen to one thirteen, Guy Jutra scoring 1057 00:48:05,039 --> 00:48:07,159 it one fifteen to one ten for one guy, and 1058 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,320 John Stewart scoring one fifteen to one ten for the 1059 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:13,880 other guy. Now, Burt Clements made a mistake. He for 1060 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,440 whatever reason afterwards, he didn't think he could score below 1061 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,519 the ten to seven in the first round even though 1062 00:48:18,559 --> 00:48:20,239 there was three knockdowns, So we should have scored that 1063 00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,559 round ten to six. If he had, we would have 1064 00:48:22,599 --> 00:48:25,559 had a winner. It didn't happen, and it turned out 1065 00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:27,760 to be a draw now for me, even though one 1066 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,039 Manuel Marquez got knocked down three times. Unless I was 1067 00:48:30,039 --> 00:48:31,599 not the only one, I was ringside for this fight. 1068 00:48:31,639 --> 00:48:34,320 I was ringside for all four Mani Pacyo, one one 1069 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,079 men Well Marquez fights. I scored the fight one fifteen 1070 00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:39,920 to one ten in favor of one Manuel Marquez. I 1071 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,199 thought he got up and he stormed back and won 1072 00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:46,400 the fight despite the knockdowns. And he didn't get the 1073 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,760 decision that night. And you can say, I'll put it 1074 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,519 to you like this, other than the fourth fight where 1075 00:48:50,519 --> 00:48:53,400 he knocked Manny out and obviously was the win. You know, 1076 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,599 he didn't get to win any of the other three. 1077 00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,559 I thought he. I thought Manny Pacyo never won any 1078 00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:02,559 of their four fights. Because to my recollection, I scored 1079 00:49:02,599 --> 00:49:04,599 three of the fight, well two of the fights for 1080 00:49:05,079 --> 00:49:08,320 for Marquez. He knocked out Pact win the fourth fight, 1081 00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:10,880 and the other fight I had it a draw. So 1082 00:49:11,159 --> 00:49:14,880 for me, Lanny Packet was winless against one Manuel Marquez, 1083 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,280 even though he's an all time great fighter. But in 1084 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,760 the in the end, in terms of the actual scoring 1085 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,280 that occurred, you have Paco two wins, Marquez with one 1086 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,320 win and one fight at draw, which was his first fight. 1087 00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:27,559 But it was a tremendous fight. It set the stage 1088 00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:31,320 for a great rivalry and uh, you know, honestly. I 1089 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,400 mean the fourth fight became the fight of the decade, 1090 00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,119 is an all time great fight. Uh. I think the 1091 00:49:36,159 --> 00:49:38,039 second best fight of their of their series is this 1092 00:49:38,119 --> 00:49:38,559 first fight. 1093 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,719 Speaker 2: And again, uh, you talk about trilogies or in this case, 1094 00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,400 four fights, et cetera, the things that you remember. There 1095 00:49:47,519 --> 00:49:50,320 was no winner in the opening fight there for Pacquiao, 1096 00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,719 and here we are still talking about him twenty one 1097 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,360 years later, looking to be active if it gets today, 1098 00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:56,920 if it gets. 1099 00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,840 Speaker 3: And not pay per view either, by the way. 1100 00:49:59,039 --> 00:50:02,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so we get ready for this big 1101 00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:07,840 weekend in the preview mode, Well, we get ready for 1102 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,920 having multiple fights in multiple locations and multiple chances for 1103 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,800 at least one or two of them to be compelling. 1104 00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,760 How am I doing on selling the recap pod? 1105 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:17,360 Speaker 3: We don't have to sell it. 1106 00:50:18,039 --> 00:50:18,960 Speaker 1: I'm just saying we. 1107 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,880 Speaker 3: Have our audience. I respect the intelligence of our audience 1108 00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:24,519 to know when this is just a good weekend, not 1109 00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:25,280 a great weekend. 1110 00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,280 Speaker 1: Did I say great weekend? 1111 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,199 Speaker 3: You kind of made it some that way. 1112 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,599 Speaker 2: I'm saying that we have compelling fights in different locales 1113 00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:38,440 from sane, I don't coming to England to to Tokyo. 1114 00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:40,840 Speaker 3: Uh, you don't find that I find that. 1115 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:42,400 Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute, let's back up. 1116 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,559 Speaker 2: While you just want to argue you don't think the 1117 00:50:44,639 --> 00:50:48,400 Mura Taya Abdalaiyah fight is competitive and compelling. 1118 00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:49,599 Speaker 1: You don't think that's compelling. 1119 00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,159 Speaker 3: I think it's competitive. I don't know if it's compelling. 1120 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:53,239 I don't know if it's much. 1121 00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:57,599 Speaker 2: Kasachian Wood is compelling. It's more compelling in the UK, 1122 00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:02,360 but that's compelling. And I think the Puma Martinez and 1123 00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:04,559 Kazioka fight is compelling. 1124 00:51:04,679 --> 00:51:07,400 Speaker 1: In the remax, I'm interested in. I'm interested in all 1125 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:08,360 three of those fights. 1126 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,679 Speaker 3: I agree on the Ioka and the rematch with Martinez. 1127 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,239 Speaker 2: So that's what we have and that's what we will be. 1128 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,559 By the way, further handicapping on the bet Us Boxing show, 1129 00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:20,719 because it's back live at one Eastern time on Friday. 1130 00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,199 This is the first time in three weeks that it 1131 00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,159 hasn't been on Friday. That it has been on Friday 1132 00:51:25,199 --> 00:51:28,039 at one Eastern time. The last couple of weeks it 1133 00:51:28,199 --> 00:51:34,440 was not there for scheduling reasons, in a holiday for 1134 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,320 our friends at bet Us, and then last week again 1135 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,559 for scheduling reasons and a holiday. We did this on Wednesday. 1136 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,760 So you and I are trying to get back to 1137 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,760 some normalcy with that show Friday one Eastern time. Bet 1138 00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,280 US platforms, YouTube, their social media, et cetera. Will be 1139 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,119 there handicapping the Navarate main event for top Rank, the 1140 00:51:53,159 --> 00:52:00,679 Kasachi Wood for Desone and Queensberry that night, and we're 1141 00:52:00,679 --> 00:52:05,599 even going to handicap the Martinez Ioka in Japan. Disappointingly 1142 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,360 at the moment, No US TV, but find it if 1143 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,199 you can find it after the fact on YouTube, on 1144 00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,400 social media, etc. For whatever happens with that on Sunday morning. 1145 00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,400 For now, though, I believe we are good. Anything else, 1146 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,440 Congrats to our winner again, Tyler Torres. We'll be in 1147 00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,320 touch with you for rating US, reviewing US, etc. Anything else. 1148 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:25,719 Dan Rayfield before we head. 1149 00:52:25,519 --> 00:52:25,960 Speaker 1: To the weekend. 1150 00:52:26,119 --> 00:52:28,199 Speaker 3: Nothing, We're good, baby, all right, There you go. 1151 00:52:28,159 --> 00:52:28,760 Speaker 1: There's big Dan. 1152 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,719 Speaker 2: Follow him the fight, preach to night, substack and the 1153 00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:35,920 newsletter again once more, go back and relive Corrales and Castillo. 1154 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,760 Speaker 1: With us off of YouTube. 1155 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,400 Speaker 2: Dan with tremendous stories not just about fight night, but 1156 00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:45,920 after fight night, watching the fight with Corrales as he 1157 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:50,639 explains memorabilia. You'll see the memorabilia that you have on 1158 00:52:50,679 --> 00:52:53,480 that YouTube show on the Big Fight Weekend YouTube channel. 1159 00:52:53,519 --> 00:52:55,559 It was a YouTube exclusive. Go back and find that. 1160 00:52:55,599 --> 00:52:58,679 For now, we are good previewing going into the weekend. 1161 00:52:59,079 --> 00:53:00,920 Thank you for being with us for Big Dan. I'm 1162 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,760 merely TJ on the Big Fight Weekend preview