WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.520 --> 00:00:04.679 Golf Smarter number four hundred and twenty nine, published on 2 00:00:04.799 --> 00:00:07.280 April twenty five, twenty fourteen. 3 00:00:07.679 --> 00:00:12.720 Welcome to golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain 4 00:00:12.759 --> 00:00:16.359 insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the 5 00:00:16.359 --> 00:00:22.399 golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never gets Old. Our 6 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:27.280 interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations 7 00:00:27.399 --> 00:00:30.960 like this that are no longer available in any podcast app. 8 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:35.320 If you're practicing, that's not a stroke. That's a swing 9 00:00:35.399 --> 00:00:38.600 because you don't have intent to hit the ball. So 10 00:00:38.880 --> 00:00:41.719 you know, quite often we're practicing a little too close 11 00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:44.600 and we knock it off. That is not a stroke. 12 00:00:44.679 --> 00:00:45.759 There is no penalty for. 13 00:00:45.679 --> 00:00:48.159 That, okay, So let me try to graphically explain this one. 14 00:00:48.200 --> 00:00:50.719 So your go to address the ball, you place your 15 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:53.479 driver right down next to it, and it taps the 16 00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:55.679 ball and the ball falls off the tee. 17 00:00:55.719 --> 00:00:56.679 That is not a stroke. 18 00:00:56.759 --> 00:00:59.240 That is not a stroke. Because you'll have guys in 19 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:02.399 your forest and all. That's one and you can turn 20 00:01:02.439 --> 00:01:05.000 around and say no, it's not right, okay. 21 00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:08.920 Good. On the opposite side, you can swing with the 22 00:01:09.000 --> 00:01:11.879 intent of putting it out there and it go two inches. 23 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:14.519 That it would have that is a stroke and that 24 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:15.640 is your ball played. 25 00:01:20.959 --> 00:01:24.480 More on the Golf Rules Stroke Play with Richard Todd. 26 00:01:24.799 --> 00:01:29.200 This is Golf Smarter. Welcome back to Golf Smarter, Richard. 27 00:01:29.840 --> 00:01:31.560 Thanks so much, Bred, it's great. 28 00:01:31.319 --> 00:01:33.120 To have you on again. I want to get right 29 00:01:33.159 --> 00:01:37.480 back into the conversation about your fun little book called 30 00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:40.640 the Golf Rules Stroke Play. Learn the rules of golf 31 00:01:40.719 --> 00:01:45.000 by watching others break them again, a fun little read. 32 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:50.000 I was picking your brain. I'm so curious. You know, 33 00:01:50.079 --> 00:01:53.640 now that you have the book out, do you talk 34 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:55.719 to people about rules or do you get a sense 35 00:01:55.760 --> 00:01:59.159 that people always follow the rules or that they admit 36 00:01:59.239 --> 00:02:01.400 they broke the rule? Do you get any sense of that? 37 00:02:02.760 --> 00:02:05.640 Yes? Actually, I was just at the Cleveland Golf Show. 38 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:09.759 Twenty five thousand people came through, and most everybody I'm 39 00:02:09.759 --> 00:02:12.560 sure it's tongue in cheek, but it's a lot of 40 00:02:12.599 --> 00:02:15.520 smart alec comments saying, oh, we don't play by the rules, 41 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:18.120 we don't need the rules, I don't like the rules, 42 00:02:18.280 --> 00:02:22.159 those kind of things. Although we know that at least 43 00:02:22.199 --> 00:02:25.199 to a great extent, everybody plays by the rules. You 44 00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:30.719 might have your personal ones that you like to bend 45 00:02:30.919 --> 00:02:33.240 a little as you were saying before. Inside the leather 46 00:02:33.400 --> 00:02:40.400 is good, but overall, selling the rule book was akin 47 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:43.360 to setting up an alcoholics anonymous table at a bar. 48 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:48.120 At least, that was my takeaway from everybody that came by. 49 00:02:48.840 --> 00:02:55.560 Loved the idea, but they were shy of admitting that 50 00:02:55.599 --> 00:02:58.840 they knew less than everything. 51 00:03:00.479 --> 00:03:02.439 So they don't admit that they're breaking the rules, but 52 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:10.280 they also won't admit that they know the rules exactly. Wow. Well, uh, 53 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:12.319 I'll fall in that kind of I know, I admit, 54 00:03:12.439 --> 00:03:14.639 I admit I know there are rules that I break 55 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:17.759 because I just don't care. I think that they're absurd. 56 00:03:17.840 --> 00:03:19.960 I think that there's some of these rules are just 57 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:23.599 ridiculous and I and it's it's part of my whole 58 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:27.240 issue with the us GA and having a driver up there, 59 00:03:27.439 --> 00:03:31.919 you know up It just drives me crazy. Why to me, 60 00:03:32.919 --> 00:03:35.520 so many of these rules are to be And I 61 00:03:35.560 --> 00:03:37.759 know I'm gonna really upset a lot of people with this, 62 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:41.520 but I get the sense that these rules are to 63 00:03:41.719 --> 00:03:46.919 be the advocate for the golf course, not the advocate 64 00:03:47.080 --> 00:03:47.840 for the golfer. 65 00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:53.840 I've heard you say. 66 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:56.479 That before, and it never made sense to you then, 67 00:03:56.520 --> 00:03:57.639 And it doesn't make sense to you. 68 00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:01.159 I know, I understand what you're saying, but I have 69 00:04:01.240 --> 00:04:05.560 more of a perspective after dealing with the USGA and 70 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:09.919 for the book and going through the rural school, and 71 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:14.719 to make another metaphor, I feel like the USGA is 72 00:04:15.400 --> 00:04:20.439 a police officer. Nobody wants to see a police car 73 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:23.079 in their rear view mirror with the lights on, but 74 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:27.079 when somebody is trying to break into their house, they 75 00:04:27.079 --> 00:04:31.800 don't mind calling nine one one for some reason. That's 76 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:37.199 just the way people feel. You know, if you're speeding, 77 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:41.319 it's very simple. You know, here's the speed limit. If 78 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:44.160 you break it, there's the potential for the penalty. 79 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:46.800 So if you're a victim, that's one thing. If you're 80 00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:48.279 the perpetrator. 81 00:04:49.639 --> 00:04:51.920 Exactly, so you know, the question is that you are 82 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:55.519 you're breaking the rule intentionally and you're trying to get 83 00:04:55.519 --> 00:04:58.120 away with something or is it an accident and you 84 00:04:58.240 --> 00:04:59.439 just need to talk your way out of the two 85 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:02.399 stroke Banetley Okay. 86 00:05:02.120 --> 00:05:05.160 Fine, so let's let's let's pick into the book. I 87 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:08.680 would love to go over some of the rules that 88 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:13.519 seem to be common mistakes or common misinterpretations or just 89 00:05:13.920 --> 00:05:19.240 I didn't know that type of rules and so I'd 90 00:05:19.240 --> 00:05:21.879 love to do two things. One, I'm going to ask 91 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:23.600 you a series of questions and see if we can 92 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:27.279 get a ruling from our official, even though you're not 93 00:05:27.319 --> 00:05:33.000 the official, you wrote a book. And then also, if anybody, 94 00:05:33.319 --> 00:05:37.480 let's just do this. If anybody has any rules questions 95 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:40.639 they're not sure of and would like clarification, send me 96 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:44.720 an email. I'll get Richard on Skype and we'll do 97 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:47.800 a little video of Richard explaining that rule to you. 98 00:05:48.199 --> 00:05:50.319 I mean, and if it works or not. So just 99 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:52.480 go click on the Hey Fred button and send me 100 00:05:52.560 --> 00:05:55.439 your question and we'll get Richard to answer the question. 101 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:59.839 So Richard here, let's start right at the tea box. 102 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:04.120 Is there's rules there, you know, like are the rules 103 00:06:04.160 --> 00:06:09.199 where the your playing partners are allowed or not allowed 104 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:11.560 to stand while you're teeing off? 105 00:06:13.040 --> 00:06:16.879 There are not rules, but that's an etiquette. 106 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:17.839 Issue and that's in the next book. 107 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:21.600 That is in the next book. You know. The tea box, 108 00:06:21.839 --> 00:06:25.879 of course, is an interesting thing. It is defined by 109 00:06:26.600 --> 00:06:30.199 the tea markers, which actually the tea box goes to 110 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:33.240 the outside of the tea markers. So if you depending 111 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:35.439 on if you have the little balls or blocks, it 112 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:37.439 actually extends on the outside. 113 00:06:36.920 --> 00:06:39.759 Of that how far outside just to. 114 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:44.519 The end of it, right to the outside outside edge, right, 115 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:50.720 and it's two club blanks back. Granted that don't remember 116 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:54.560 the USGA specifying which club. But you know, for some people, 117 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:57.800 like there's an issue in the book where one of 118 00:06:57.839 --> 00:07:01.399 the players knows he it's his eight iron one hundred 119 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:04.800 and thirty five yards and the tea markers at one 120 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:08.879 hundred and thirty and so he backs up five yards. Well, 121 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:14.000 that was outside of the actual defined tea box. And 122 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:17.319 so that's something you can't do, okay, because if you're 123 00:07:17.360 --> 00:07:20.959 playing outside of the tea box, you effectively didn't tee 124 00:07:20.959 --> 00:07:24.240 off properly, then you can qualification. 125 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:27.879 Right. Are you allowed to not use a T on 126 00:07:27.959 --> 00:07:31.680 the tea box, Yes, but you're not allowed to use 127 00:07:31.720 --> 00:07:36.079 a T anywhere else. But I'm just making I'm just 128 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:36.600 asking here. 129 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:40.639 I've heard that starters should do that. But yes, no, 130 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:44.399 you cannot use a tee throughout the green or through 131 00:07:44.439 --> 00:07:48.560 the green as we were just talking about. Four that's 132 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:52.959 the definition of the area between the tea box and 133 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:56.000 the putting green through the green, okay. 134 00:07:56.319 --> 00:08:01.720 And when you say that, you can set up two 135 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:04.800 club lengths generally, I would think that's people using their driver. 136 00:08:04.920 --> 00:08:07.079 Whenever there's a two club length thing, people pull out 137 00:08:07.079 --> 00:08:10.319 the longest club, which would be the driver. Right. Usually 138 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:14.199 you can't use your you're not you're not allowed to 139 00:08:14.279 --> 00:08:18.120 use your ball retriever that has still a scopic ball retriever, 140 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:19.920 right right, Okay, So. 141 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:22.040 And the interesting thing with that is the ball has 142 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:23.040 to be in the T box. 143 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:26.199 Yeah, That's what I was going to ask, is like 144 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:30.600 can the ball be well, it can't be right to 145 00:08:30.680 --> 00:08:36.519 the outside edge because you may hit it. But if 146 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:39.120 you put the ball like right, say you're a right 147 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:41.679 handed hitter and you go to the tea box when 148 00:08:41.720 --> 00:08:43.679 you're facing the fairway the T box, it's on the 149 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:46.240 far left right, the left side, which is for a 150 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:48.879 right handed here, so you put the you put the 151 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:55.960 ball just inside that that marker, but you could stand. 152 00:08:56.960 --> 00:08:58.679 Is it legal to stand outside that? 153 00:08:59.360 --> 00:08:59.639 Yes? 154 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:02.720 Okay, good, good to know you. 155 00:09:02.799 --> 00:09:07.200 You'd have to have a really strange fairway that you'd 156 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:08.720 want to be able to do that, but yeah, it's 157 00:09:08.759 --> 00:09:09.159 an option. 158 00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:11.639 Well no, I mean it's like I know when like 159 00:09:11.679 --> 00:09:15.840 when I go bowling. Okay, And it's a weird analogy here, 160 00:09:15.960 --> 00:09:22.879 and you know you're from Ohio. You bowl, Oh yeah, 161 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:25.159 it was not good. So anyway, so like you know, 162 00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:27.200 you got the seven to ten, you know the outside 163 00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:29.080 pins right, you got the ten pin over on the 164 00:09:29.080 --> 00:09:32.240 far right. Now, to me, it makes much more sense 165 00:09:32.600 --> 00:09:34.879 to start on the far left of the lane and 166 00:09:34.919 --> 00:09:37.480 give yourself the angle to go at it. Then try 167 00:09:37.519 --> 00:09:40.480 to just hug the ball straight down the right side 168 00:09:40.480 --> 00:09:43.000 and hope that it hits it right. So for me, 169 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:46.200 the same thing. If my target line is to put 170 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:48.399 the ball on the right side of the fairway to 171 00:09:48.440 --> 00:09:52.320 give me a better angle to approach the green, then 172 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:53.879 I'm going to hit from the left side of the 173 00:09:53.919 --> 00:09:54.440 t box. 174 00:09:57.279 --> 00:09:58.879 It's something you could do. 175 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:01.879 Yes, okay, that's not a rule thing. That's just how 176 00:10:01.919 --> 00:10:03.960 I approach it. It's like, yeah, I'll hit on the 177 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:09.679 far side. I think, now you've listened, because I don't 178 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:11.960 listen to my interviews when I'm doing them. I'm just 179 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:14.159 like recording them so I hear. But I remember when 180 00:10:14.159 --> 00:10:17.320 I asked when I had the woman at TPC Scottsdale 181 00:10:17.360 --> 00:10:19.799 and I asked her if she noticed anything, and she 182 00:10:19.799 --> 00:10:22.080 she said to me, oh, yeah, you tea up on 183 00:10:21.679 --> 00:10:25.200 the right side of the tea box every time, and 184 00:10:25.200 --> 00:10:27.840 I'm like, I do. I don't think I do, And 185 00:10:27.879 --> 00:10:28.519 she said that I do. 186 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:32.080 That is exactly what came into my mind when you 187 00:10:32.080 --> 00:10:33.320 gave your description. 188 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:37.679 Is what she said. Yes, dude, you're not supposed to 189 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:39.799 take notes on the on the shows. You're just supposed 190 00:10:39.799 --> 00:10:41.159 to listen. It's a podcast. 191 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:42.720 It's a great podcast. 192 00:10:42.879 --> 00:10:43.559 Stop. Thank you. 193 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:44.879 I appreciate that's very nice. 194 00:10:45.480 --> 00:10:47.399 Can you tell people in my family that it's like 195 00:10:47.480 --> 00:10:49.559 we're thet They're like, why do you still do that? 196 00:10:49.799 --> 00:10:51.000 Okay, let's go to the book. 197 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:55.279 Yeah, you kidding, it's it's already in a frame and no, 198 00:10:55.639 --> 00:11:04.799 it's going to be though. I'm just so touched. Water hazards. 199 00:11:04.879 --> 00:11:07.279 Let's get back to because we talked about water hazards 200 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:09.799 and you know, I kind of caught you off guard there. 201 00:11:09.879 --> 00:11:12.720 Let's go over the water. You've done a little research, now, 202 00:11:12.759 --> 00:11:13.480 what can you tell me? 203 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:20.240 First, we're talking about We mentioned water hazards versus lateral 204 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:25.600 water hazards before, and the lateral water hazard can actually 205 00:11:25.639 --> 00:11:29.879 be part of a water hazard, but the lateral part 206 00:11:30.360 --> 00:11:36.519 is positioned so that you can't play behind it. You're 207 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:39.440 outside of the you can't drop a ball behind the 208 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:43.480 water hazard and still be in the playing area. That 209 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:45.159 goes back to what we were saying. Okay, so there's 210 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:47.559 four things you can do when you're in a water hazard. 211 00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:51.600 First one is play it as it lies. And this 212 00:11:51.679 --> 00:11:52.879 is one of those things you got to think about 213 00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:55.279 for a second because most people like, well, my ball's 214 00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:57.200 in the water, how can I play it? Well, your 215 00:11:57.200 --> 00:11:59.399 ball doesn't have to be in the water to be 216 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:01.600 in a water hazard. You know, if you see those 217 00:12:01.720 --> 00:12:04.480 those red lines or the red steaks, you're you could 218 00:12:04.519 --> 00:12:07.759 technically be in the water hazard but still have a 219 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:09.679 nice dry approach way. 220 00:12:09.799 --> 00:12:11.399 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 221 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:13.039 Oh caught you with that one. Huh. 222 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:16.360 Well, no, it's like, say, say that the golf course, 223 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:20.519 you know, the water begins and there's crocodiles, you know, 224 00:12:21.440 --> 00:12:24.000 the waters there, and the ball is like three or 225 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:28.440 four inches before it gets into the water, and yet 226 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:32.799 there's a red line that's been spray painted onto the 227 00:12:32.840 --> 00:12:35.879 grass about two feet away from the water. Now that 228 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:38.200 red line is ob is it not? 229 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:44.120 Now that's well the water that's a water hazard. 230 00:12:44.240 --> 00:12:48.679 Okay, that says it's the water red lines. So even 231 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:51.320 though it's inside the red line, but not in the water. 232 00:12:51.480 --> 00:12:57.840 You can still hit from there without penalty. Yes, oh okay. 233 00:12:58.120 --> 00:13:01.559 So you can hink you and as we're saying, you 234 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:03.559 can go back to the tee or not necessarily a 235 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:05.200 tea box, but you can go back to where your 236 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:07.799 last shot was, which may not be in the tea box. 237 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:09.440 You could have been like a Part five, you could 238 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:11.519 have put it in the water from your second, third, 239 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:16.919 or eighth shot. So there's number two three is we're 240 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:22.799 talking about dropping a ball online from the tee or 241 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:26.519 not the t the flag stick behind the water hazard, 242 00:13:27.080 --> 00:13:31.200 and you can go as far back as you want, but. 243 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:34.159 You have to stay online from where you pull the 244 00:13:34.200 --> 00:13:38.000 ball out the line, not the line your ball flight was, 245 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:39.519 but the line to the flag. 246 00:13:40.480 --> 00:13:43.320 Yeah, where it crossed the water hazard to the flag. 247 00:13:44.480 --> 00:13:49.320 And there are options where you were saying about dropping 248 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:53.519 within two club links, not near the hole. Now, an 249 00:13:53.519 --> 00:13:59.600 interesting part on that one is we know closer to 250 00:13:59.639 --> 00:14:02.639 the hole, we can see that, but that line goes 251 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:06.879 left and right, so you literally could possibly drop on 252 00:14:06.919 --> 00:14:09.879 the other side of the water being the same distance 253 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:17.080 from the hole. It's an interesting one. The rule book 254 00:14:17.080 --> 00:14:18.960 does have a nice little diagram for that, and I'm 255 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:23.039 sure the USG website also discusses that or has that 256 00:14:23.120 --> 00:14:27.799 same graphic. But again, this just goes to show you 257 00:14:28.600 --> 00:14:33.320 why it's so difficult to play by the rules. Yeah, 258 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:37.120 as opposed to just take it back and hit another one, 259 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:39.679 as you were saying before, you could hit a provisional, 260 00:14:40.519 --> 00:14:43.200 but there are other options. 261 00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:52.480 Yeah. Then I'm still not clear on when you're allowed 262 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:58.840 to just move the ball, the difference between taking the 263 00:14:58.840 --> 00:15:01.480 ball all the way back to where you originally hit 264 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:04.480 or just saying, you know, out it's over here, but 265 00:15:04.519 --> 00:15:07.240 I'm moving it so it's in play here and hitting 266 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:10.080 it here and taking hitting three versus going back to 267 00:15:10.120 --> 00:15:12.919 the T box hitting three. Is there an instance where 268 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:15.399 I'm allowed to hit it from where it is out 269 00:15:15.399 --> 00:15:19.279 of bounds and just move it laterally and then take 270 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:22.080 my third shot from there? Is that legal? 271 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:28.480 Every I'm trying to say yes, but I'm having a 272 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:30.399 tough time remembering the exact situation. 273 00:15:30.679 --> 00:15:33.159 Yeah. Yeah, We're gonna have to do a little more 274 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:34.039 research on that one. 275 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:36.519 But yeah, that goes back to your question you ask 276 00:15:36.600 --> 00:15:39.000 me a little earlier. Do people come up and ask 277 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:42.279 me rule questions? And that happened a lot at the 278 00:15:42.840 --> 00:15:48.519 golf show. And I'm an author. I'm not a rules 279 00:15:49.159 --> 00:15:52.919 official for the USGA, so I will from time to 280 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:57.279 time just like everybody else. Forget how that rule goes. 281 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:03.360 Dude, you're a compliance guy. 282 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:08.000 It doesn't mean we're always right. That's our goal. 283 00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:10.360 Well that you know. I don't believe the rules are 284 00:16:10.399 --> 00:16:16.240 always right, but I have to play by them. He's 285 00:16:16.279 --> 00:16:20.360 not comment on that. No, Okay, are you? Are we 286 00:16:20.840 --> 00:16:22.759 there more water hazard things that we should know? 287 00:16:24.440 --> 00:16:27.480 Yes, but you know that's more than enough for today. 288 00:16:29.080 --> 00:16:31.559 All right, so much to have fun with? 289 00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:38.240 Yeah, right, right, right right? Let's see what about testing hazards? 290 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:41.080 What is the ruling on that? What does that mean? 291 00:16:41.879 --> 00:16:44.799 Like you know with bunkers? I remember that? Is that 292 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:47.960 a us open Like if it's if. 293 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:50.559 You know, are you talking about Let's see what was 294 00:16:50.559 --> 00:16:51.360 that Johnson? 295 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:53.720 Was that Dustin Johnson? 296 00:16:54.279 --> 00:16:54.919 Justin Johnson? 297 00:16:55.279 --> 00:16:56.639 If it's it's a hazard? 298 00:16:56.720 --> 00:16:56.879 Right? 299 00:16:56.919 --> 00:16:59.960 And he was like that he got penalized and laws 300 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:01.360 It was like terrible. 301 00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:03.720 You know, it's funny. Is I actually struck up a 302 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:07.400 conversation with one of the presenters at last year's Real 303 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:10.920 School about that, and he was laughing because he was 304 00:17:10.960 --> 00:17:16.319 there and he was telling me how every caddy and 305 00:17:16.440 --> 00:17:18.920 player was told over and over and again, you know 306 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:21.519 they were they were shown where all the bunkers are at. 307 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:24.599 And even as I guess as Dustin was going up there, 308 00:17:24.920 --> 00:17:29.119 his caddy was told, that's a that's a bunker hazard. 309 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:33.000 So what we see on TV doesn't always actually happen 310 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:36.279 is the way we think it does. Uh, and sometimes 311 00:17:36.279 --> 00:17:40.079 they just don't pay attention. So uh, but yes, to 312 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:43.240 answer your question, you can. You can dig your feet in. 313 00:17:43.920 --> 00:17:46.759 You can, I think the rules call that getting a 314 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:53.559 firm stance. Uh. You cannot take a practice stroke that 315 00:17:53.599 --> 00:17:56.960 means hitting the sand, but you can take a practice 316 00:17:57.000 --> 00:17:59.759 swing into the air. Again, that goes back to your 317 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:05.000 h the legal descriptions of swing versus stroke. 318 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:08.799 Like my ball versus the A ball. 319 00:18:09.359 --> 00:18:14.160 Right right, So as long as you don't swing into 320 00:18:14.200 --> 00:18:18.400 the sand, you're okay in those in those situations. 321 00:18:19.960 --> 00:18:27.079 Okay, okay. So then testing hazards no, no, correct, cannot 322 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:34.519 have your club touch the hazard while practicing correct, Okay, 323 00:18:35.039 --> 00:18:37.599 don't do it. Don't do that, but they have to 324 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:41.599 be designated. Now, obviously that was tournament play and there 325 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:44.599 was you know, like that hazard that he got penalized 326 00:18:44.640 --> 00:18:49.240 for it was like the size of a size seven shoe, right, 327 00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:50.240 and I. 328 00:18:50.200 --> 00:18:53.200 Believe there were a spectator standing in it too, Yeah, exactly. 329 00:18:53.839 --> 00:18:55.880 It makes it even more difficult to. 330 00:18:57.079 --> 00:19:02.400 Oh that was so painful. Yeah, that was so painful. Okay, 331 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:06.519 So you really, if you're just playing, you should know 332 00:19:06.559 --> 00:19:09.160 your course. But I mean they're probably. 333 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:16.759 No, there are, Yes, that's always an interesting question to 334 00:19:16.799 --> 00:19:19.559 ask before you t off, you know, at the starter 335 00:19:19.720 --> 00:19:24.039 and what is defined as the hazards on the courses, 336 00:19:24.119 --> 00:19:28.559 and you know they'll always give you recommendations and suggestions 337 00:19:28.680 --> 00:19:30.759 and things to watch out for because you know they 338 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:32.200 know the course and they want you to have a 339 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:32.720 good time. 340 00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:36.359 Yes, sure they do, all right, Well, they want you 341 00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:39.279 to come back, that's what they want. You care if 342 00:19:39.279 --> 00:19:41.640 you enjoy yourself or not. They want you to shoot 343 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:44.200 on hundred and thirty. So then then I guess that 344 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:49.400 would bring up the conversation about debris or what are 345 00:19:49.400 --> 00:19:52.079 they called obstacles or impediments. 346 00:19:53.319 --> 00:19:55.599 Loose or faced impediments and. 347 00:19:59.359 --> 00:19:59.759 Fixed. 348 00:20:01.359 --> 00:20:05.160 Yes, I'm sorry, I'm losing my thought process again. 349 00:20:05.119 --> 00:20:07.519 And I understand that. I apologize. You know, we're three 350 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:11.240 hours difference on time zone, and I'm just throughout. You know, 351 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:13.240 I'm getting it's getting late in your day, and I 352 00:20:13.240 --> 00:20:14.400 apologize you get a pot. 353 00:20:16.039 --> 00:20:20.200 You had made a comment earlier about the being on 354 00:20:20.240 --> 00:20:24.000 the tee box and knocking the ball off the tee. 355 00:20:24.680 --> 00:20:25.559 Yeah, there's gonna go. 356 00:20:26.079 --> 00:20:28.960 That kind of goes with being in the bunker. Is 357 00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:32.559 it a stroke or is it a swing? If you're 358 00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:40.640 practice practicing, that's uh, not a not a stroke. That's 359 00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:44.319 a swing because you don't have intent to hit the ball. 360 00:20:44.720 --> 00:20:47.519 So you know, quite often we're practicing a little too 361 00:20:47.559 --> 00:20:51.279 close and we knock it off. That is not a stroke. 362 00:20:51.319 --> 00:20:53.599 There is no penalty for that, okay. 363 00:20:53.680 --> 00:20:56.079 So like so let me let me try to graphically 364 00:20:56.400 --> 00:20:58.720 explain this one. So your tea, you're you've teed up 365 00:20:58.720 --> 00:21:01.079 the ball, you're about to do it. You go to 366 00:21:01.240 --> 00:21:04.319 address the ball, you place your driver right down next 367 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:06.759 to it, and it taps the ball and the ball 368 00:21:06.839 --> 00:21:07.920 falls off the tee. 369 00:21:09.240 --> 00:21:11.240 That is that is not a stroke. 370 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:13.799 That is not a stroke. Because you'll have guys in 371 00:21:13.839 --> 00:21:16.599 your forest and all going that's one you're and you 372 00:21:16.640 --> 00:21:20.160 can turn around and say no, it's not right, okay, good. 373 00:21:20.799 --> 00:21:25.440 Now on the opposite side, you can swing with the 374 00:21:25.480 --> 00:21:28.920 intent of putting it out there two seventy five and 375 00:21:28.960 --> 00:21:33.079 it go that two inches that it would have. That 376 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:37.640 is a stroke and that is your ball played. And 377 00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:39.960 some people think, well, okay, I went three inches, let 378 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:42.279 me just pull it back, put it back on the tee. Well, 379 00:21:42.319 --> 00:21:44.400 effectively you've gone back to what we just talked about, 380 00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:51.720 that stroke and distance, and. 381 00:21:50.079 --> 00:21:51.920 And then you you do not get to tee it 382 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:56.880 up again right at that point? Well, no, the balls 383 00:21:57.000 --> 00:21:58.400 you play it where it lies. If you only had 384 00:21:58.400 --> 00:22:02.599 three inches, you got to hit it there, right, okay, okay, 385 00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:08.000 And and but what about uh say you take a 386 00:22:08.039 --> 00:22:10.759 practice swing. No, you take you address the ball. You 387 00:22:10.839 --> 00:22:14.640 take your swing and miss the ball completely. It has happened. 388 00:22:16.200 --> 00:22:18.599 It has happened. And that is a stroke because you 389 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:19.920 had the intent of hitting it. 390 00:22:20.119 --> 00:22:24.960 So if you swing and miss completely and this was 391 00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:27.359 your swing, but you're missing and the ball is still 392 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:31.200 sitting exactly where it was when you started, that counts 393 00:22:31.240 --> 00:22:31.799 as a stroke. 394 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:33.160 That strike one. 395 00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:41.960 Yes, oh wow, No I don't do that. I do that. No, never, 396 00:22:42.759 --> 00:22:45.400 never do that. No, but I've seen I've seen it 397 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:48.960 happen because I don't I play with anybody. It's like, oh, 398 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:51.200 you've never played golf. Come on, let's go on. This 399 00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:54.400 will be fun. But so that actually counts as a stroke. 400 00:22:54.599 --> 00:22:57.440 That would be defeating if you were that happened to 401 00:22:57.440 --> 00:22:59.160