1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:04,679 Speaker 1: Golf Smarter number four hundred and twenty nine, published on 2 00:00:04,799 --> 00:00:07,280 April twenty five, twenty fourteen. 3 00:00:07,679 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 2: Welcome to golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain 4 00:00:12,759 --> 00:00:16,359 insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the 5 00:00:16,359 --> 00:00:22,399 golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never gets Old. Our 6 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:27,280 interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations 7 00:00:27,399 --> 00:00:30,960 like this that are no longer available in any podcast app. 8 00:00:31,199 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 3: If you're practicing, that's not a stroke. That's a swing 9 00:00:35,399 --> 00:00:38,600 because you don't have intent to hit the ball. So 10 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,719 you know, quite often we're practicing a little too close 11 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,600 and we knock it off. That is not a stroke. 12 00:00:44,679 --> 00:00:45,759 There is no penalty for. 13 00:00:45,679 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: That, okay, So let me try to graphically explain this one. 14 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,719 So your go to address the ball, you place your 15 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,479 driver right down next to it, and it taps the 16 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,679 ball and the ball falls off the tee. 17 00:00:55,719 --> 00:00:56,679 Speaker 3: That is not a stroke. 18 00:00:56,759 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: That is not a stroke. Because you'll have guys in 19 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,399 your forest and all. That's one and you can turn 20 00:01:02,439 --> 00:01:05,000 around and say no, it's not right, okay. 21 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 3: Good. On the opposite side, you can swing with the 22 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,879 intent of putting it out there and it go two inches. 23 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,519 That it would have that is a stroke and that 24 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:15,640 is your ball played. 25 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: More on the Golf Rules Stroke Play with Richard Todd. 26 00:01:24,799 --> 00:01:29,200 This is Golf Smarter. Welcome back to Golf Smarter, Richard. 27 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Bred, it's great. 28 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: To have you on again. I want to get right 29 00:01:33,159 --> 00:01:37,480 back into the conversation about your fun little book called 30 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,640 the Golf Rules Stroke Play. Learn the rules of golf 31 00:01:40,719 --> 00:01:45,000 by watching others break them again, a fun little read. 32 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,000 I was picking your brain. I'm so curious. You know, 33 00:01:50,079 --> 00:01:53,640 now that you have the book out, do you talk 34 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,719 to people about rules or do you get a sense 35 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,159 that people always follow the rules or that they admit 36 00:01:59,239 --> 00:02:01,400 they broke the rule? Do you get any sense of that? 37 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 3: Yes? Actually, I was just at the Cleveland Golf Show. 38 00:02:06,159 --> 00:02:09,759 Twenty five thousand people came through, and most everybody I'm 39 00:02:09,759 --> 00:02:12,560 sure it's tongue in cheek, but it's a lot of 40 00:02:12,599 --> 00:02:15,520 smart alec comments saying, oh, we don't play by the rules, 41 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,120 we don't need the rules, I don't like the rules, 42 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:22,159 those kind of things. Although we know that at least 43 00:02:22,199 --> 00:02:25,199 to a great extent, everybody plays by the rules. You 44 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:30,719 might have your personal ones that you like to bend 45 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,240 a little as you were saying before. Inside the leather 46 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:40,400 is good, but overall, selling the rule book was akin 47 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,360 to setting up an alcoholics anonymous table at a bar. 48 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:48,120 At least, that was my takeaway from everybody that came by. 49 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:55,560 Loved the idea, but they were shy of admitting that 50 00:02:55,599 --> 00:02:58,840 they knew less than everything. 51 00:03:00,479 --> 00:03:02,439 Speaker 1: So they don't admit that they're breaking the rules, but 52 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:10,280 they also won't admit that they know the rules exactly. Wow. Well, uh, 53 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,319 I'll fall in that kind of I know, I admit, 54 00:03:12,439 --> 00:03:14,639 I admit I know there are rules that I break 55 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,759 because I just don't care. I think that they're absurd. 56 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:19,960 I think that there's some of these rules are just 57 00:03:20,319 --> 00:03:23,599 ridiculous and I and it's it's part of my whole 58 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,240 issue with the us GA and having a driver up there, 59 00:03:27,439 --> 00:03:31,919 you know up It just drives me crazy. Why to me, 60 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,520 so many of these rules are to be And I 61 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:37,759 know I'm gonna really upset a lot of people with this, 62 00:03:37,919 --> 00:03:41,520 but I get the sense that these rules are to 63 00:03:41,719 --> 00:03:46,919 be the advocate for the golf course, not the advocate 64 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:47,840 for the golfer. 65 00:03:52,199 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 3: I've heard you say. 66 00:03:53,639 --> 00:03:56,479 Speaker 1: That before, and it never made sense to you then, 67 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:57,639 And it doesn't make sense to you. 68 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,159 Speaker 3: I know, I understand what you're saying, but I have 69 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,560 more of a perspective after dealing with the USGA and 70 00:04:05,639 --> 00:04:09,919 for the book and going through the rural school, and 71 00:04:10,199 --> 00:04:14,719 to make another metaphor, I feel like the USGA is 72 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:20,439 a police officer. Nobody wants to see a police car 73 00:04:20,639 --> 00:04:23,079 in their rear view mirror with the lights on, but 74 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,079 when somebody is trying to break into their house, they 75 00:04:27,079 --> 00:04:31,800 don't mind calling nine one one for some reason. That's 76 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:37,199 just the way people feel. You know, if you're speeding, 77 00:04:38,399 --> 00:04:41,319 it's very simple. You know, here's the speed limit. If 78 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,160 you break it, there's the potential for the penalty. 79 00:04:44,399 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: So if you're a victim, that's one thing. If you're 80 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,279 the perpetrator. 81 00:04:49,639 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 3: Exactly, so you know, the question is that you are 82 00:04:51,959 --> 00:04:55,519 you're breaking the rule intentionally and you're trying to get 83 00:04:55,519 --> 00:04:58,120 away with something or is it an accident and you 84 00:04:58,240 --> 00:04:59,439 just need to talk your way out of the two 85 00:04:59,439 --> 00:05:02,399 stroke Banetley Okay. 86 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: Fine, so let's let's let's pick into the book. I 87 00:05:05,199 --> 00:05:08,680 would love to go over some of the rules that 88 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:13,519 seem to be common mistakes or common misinterpretations or just 89 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:19,240 I didn't know that type of rules and so I'd 90 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,879 love to do two things. One, I'm going to ask 91 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:23,600 you a series of questions and see if we can 92 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,279 get a ruling from our official, even though you're not 93 00:05:27,319 --> 00:05:33,000 the official, you wrote a book. And then also, if anybody, 94 00:05:33,319 --> 00:05:37,480 let's just do this. If anybody has any rules questions 95 00:05:37,519 --> 00:05:40,639 they're not sure of and would like clarification, send me 96 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,720 an email. I'll get Richard on Skype and we'll do 97 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,800 a little video of Richard explaining that rule to you. 98 00:05:48,199 --> 00:05:50,319 I mean, and if it works or not. So just 99 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,480 go click on the Hey Fred button and send me 100 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,439 your question and we'll get Richard to answer the question. 101 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,839 So Richard here, let's start right at the tea box. 102 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,120 Is there's rules there, you know, like are the rules 103 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:09,199 where the your playing partners are allowed or not allowed 104 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,560 to stand while you're teeing off? 105 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,879 Speaker 3: There are not rules, but that's an etiquette. 106 00:06:16,319 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: Issue and that's in the next book. 107 00:06:18,319 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 3: That is in the next book. You know. The tea box, 108 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,879 of course, is an interesting thing. It is defined by 109 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,199 the tea markers, which actually the tea box goes to 110 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,240 the outside of the tea markers. So if you depending 111 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,439 on if you have the little balls or blocks, it 112 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,439 actually extends on the outside. 113 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,759 Speaker 1: Of that how far outside just to. 114 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:44,519 Speaker 3: The end of it, right to the outside outside edge, right, 115 00:06:44,639 --> 00:06:50,720 and it's two club blanks back. Granted that don't remember 116 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,560 the USGA specifying which club. But you know, for some people, 117 00:06:55,079 --> 00:06:57,800 like there's an issue in the book where one of 118 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,399 the players knows he it's his eight iron one hundred 119 00:07:01,399 --> 00:07:04,800 and thirty five yards and the tea markers at one 120 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,879 hundred and thirty and so he backs up five yards. Well, 121 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:14,000 that was outside of the actual defined tea box. And 122 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,319 so that's something you can't do, okay, because if you're 123 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,959 playing outside of the tea box, you effectively didn't tee 124 00:07:20,959 --> 00:07:24,240 off properly, then you can qualification. 125 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,879 Speaker 1: Right. Are you allowed to not use a T on 126 00:07:27,959 --> 00:07:31,680 the tea box, Yes, but you're not allowed to use 127 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:36,079 a T anywhere else. But I'm just making I'm just 128 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:36,600 asking here. 129 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,639 Speaker 3: I've heard that starters should do that. But yes, no, 130 00:07:40,959 --> 00:07:44,399 you cannot use a tee throughout the green or through 131 00:07:44,439 --> 00:07:48,560 the green as we were just talking about. Four that's 132 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,959 the definition of the area between the tea box and 133 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,000 the putting green through the green, okay. 134 00:07:56,319 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: And when you say that, you can set up two 135 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,800 club lengths generally, I would think that's people using their driver. 136 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,079 Whenever there's a two club length thing, people pull out 137 00:08:07,079 --> 00:08:10,319 the longest club, which would be the driver. Right. Usually 138 00:08:11,279 --> 00:08:14,199 you can't use your you're not you're not allowed to 139 00:08:14,279 --> 00:08:18,120 use your ball retriever that has still a scopic ball retriever, 140 00:08:18,279 --> 00:08:19,920 right right, Okay, So. 141 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 3: And the interesting thing with that is the ball has 142 00:08:22,079 --> 00:08:23,040 to be in the T box. 143 00:08:23,199 --> 00:08:26,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, That's what I was going to ask, is like 144 00:08:26,759 --> 00:08:30,600 can the ball be well, it can't be right to 145 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:36,519 the outside edge because you may hit it. But if 146 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,120 you put the ball like right, say you're a right 147 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,679 handed hitter and you go to the tea box when 148 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,679 you're facing the fairway the T box, it's on the 149 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,240 far left right, the left side, which is for a 150 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,879 right handed here, so you put the you put the 151 00:08:48,879 --> 00:08:55,960 ball just inside that that marker, but you could stand. 152 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,679 Is it legal to stand outside that? 153 00:08:59,360 --> 00:08:59,639 Speaker 3: Yes? 154 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: Okay, good, good to know you. 155 00:09:02,799 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 3: You'd have to have a really strange fairway that you'd 156 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:08,720 want to be able to do that, but yeah, it's 157 00:09:08,759 --> 00:09:09,159 an option. 158 00:09:09,519 --> 00:09:11,639 Speaker 1: Well no, I mean it's like I know when like 159 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,840 when I go bowling. Okay, And it's a weird analogy here, 160 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:22,879 and you know you're from Ohio. You bowl, Oh yeah, 161 00:09:22,919 --> 00:09:25,159 it was not good. So anyway, so like you know, 162 00:09:25,159 --> 00:09:27,200 you got the seven to ten, you know the outside 163 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,080 pins right, you got the ten pin over on the 164 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,240 far right. Now, to me, it makes much more sense 165 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,879 to start on the far left of the lane and 166 00:09:34,919 --> 00:09:37,480 give yourself the angle to go at it. Then try 167 00:09:37,519 --> 00:09:40,480 to just hug the ball straight down the right side 168 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,000 and hope that it hits it right. So for me, 169 00:09:43,159 --> 00:09:46,200 the same thing. If my target line is to put 170 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,399 the ball on the right side of the fairway to 171 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:52,320 give me a better angle to approach the green, then 172 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:53,879 I'm going to hit from the left side of the 173 00:09:53,919 --> 00:09:54,440 t box. 174 00:09:57,279 --> 00:09:58,879 Speaker 3: It's something you could do. 175 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,879 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, that's not a rule thing. That's just how 176 00:10:01,919 --> 00:10:03,960 I approach it. It's like, yeah, I'll hit on the 177 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:09,679 far side. I think, now you've listened, because I don't 178 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:11,960 listen to my interviews when I'm doing them. I'm just 179 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,159 like recording them so I hear. But I remember when 180 00:10:14,159 --> 00:10:17,320 I asked when I had the woman at TPC Scottsdale 181 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,799 and I asked her if she noticed anything, and she 182 00:10:19,799 --> 00:10:22,080 she said to me, oh, yeah, you tea up on 183 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:25,200 the right side of the tea box every time, and 184 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,840 I'm like, I do. I don't think I do, And 185 00:10:27,879 --> 00:10:28,519 she said that I do. 186 00:10:30,039 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 3: That is exactly what came into my mind when you 187 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:33,320 gave your description. 188 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: Is what she said. Yes, dude, you're not supposed to 189 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,799 take notes on the on the shows. You're just supposed 190 00:10:39,799 --> 00:10:41,159 to listen. It's a podcast. 191 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 3: It's a great podcast. 192 00:10:42,879 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: Stop. Thank you. 193 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:44,879 Speaker 3: I appreciate that's very nice. 194 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,399 Speaker 1: Can you tell people in my family that it's like 195 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,559 we're thet They're like, why do you still do that? 196 00:10:49,799 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 3: Okay, let's go to the book. 197 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:55,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, you kidding, it's it's already in a frame and no, 198 00:10:55,639 --> 00:11:04,799 it's going to be though. I'm just so touched. Water hazards. 199 00:11:04,879 --> 00:11:07,279 Let's get back to because we talked about water hazards 200 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,799 and you know, I kind of caught you off guard there. 201 00:11:09,879 --> 00:11:12,720 Let's go over the water. You've done a little research, now, 202 00:11:12,759 --> 00:11:13,480 what can you tell me? 203 00:11:15,799 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 3: First, we're talking about We mentioned water hazards versus lateral 204 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:25,600 water hazards before, and the lateral water hazard can actually 205 00:11:25,639 --> 00:11:29,879 be part of a water hazard, but the lateral part 206 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:36,519 is positioned so that you can't play behind it. You're 207 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,440 outside of the you can't drop a ball behind the 208 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:43,480 water hazard and still be in the playing area. That 209 00:11:43,519 --> 00:11:45,159 goes back to what we were saying. Okay, so there's 210 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,559 four things you can do when you're in a water hazard. 211 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,600 First one is play it as it lies. And this 212 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:52,879 is one of those things you got to think about 213 00:11:52,919 --> 00:11:55,279 for a second because most people like, well, my ball's 214 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,200 in the water, how can I play it? Well, your 215 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,399 ball doesn't have to be in the water to be 216 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,600 in a water hazard. You know, if you see those 217 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,480 those red lines or the red steaks, you're you could 218 00:12:04,519 --> 00:12:07,759 technically be in the water hazard but still have a 219 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,679 nice dry approach way. 220 00:12:09,799 --> 00:12:11,399 Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 221 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,039 Speaker 3: Oh caught you with that one. Huh. 222 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: Well, no, it's like, say, say that the golf course, 223 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,519 you know, the water begins and there's crocodiles, you know, 224 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,000 the waters there, and the ball is like three or 225 00:12:24,039 --> 00:12:28,440 four inches before it gets into the water, and yet 226 00:12:28,519 --> 00:12:32,799 there's a red line that's been spray painted onto the 227 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,879 grass about two feet away from the water. Now that 228 00:12:35,919 --> 00:12:38,200 red line is ob is it not? 229 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 3: Now that's well the water that's a water hazard. 230 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 1: Okay, that says it's the water red lines. So even 231 00:12:48,759 --> 00:12:51,320 though it's inside the red line, but not in the water. 232 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:57,840 You can still hit from there without penalty. Yes, oh okay. 233 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 3: So you can hink you and as we're saying, you 234 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,559 can go back to the tee or not necessarily a 235 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,200 tea box, but you can go back to where your 236 00:13:05,279 --> 00:13:07,799 last shot was, which may not be in the tea box. 237 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:09,440 You could have been like a Part five, you could 238 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,519 have put it in the water from your second, third, 239 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:16,919 or eighth shot. So there's number two three is we're 240 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:22,799 talking about dropping a ball online from the tee or 241 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,519 not the t the flag stick behind the water hazard, 242 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:31,200 and you can go as far back as you want, but. 243 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,159 Speaker 1: You have to stay online from where you pull the 244 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:38,000 ball out the line, not the line your ball flight was, 245 00:13:38,039 --> 00:13:39,519 but the line to the flag. 246 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, where it crossed the water hazard to the flag. 247 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:49,320 And there are options where you were saying about dropping 248 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,519 within two club links, not near the hole. Now, an 249 00:13:53,519 --> 00:13:59,600 interesting part on that one is we know closer to 250 00:13:59,639 --> 00:14:02,639 the hole, we can see that, but that line goes 251 00:14:03,519 --> 00:14:06,879 left and right, so you literally could possibly drop on 252 00:14:06,919 --> 00:14:09,879 the other side of the water being the same distance 253 00:14:09,879 --> 00:14:17,080 from the hole. It's an interesting one. The rule book 254 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:18,960 does have a nice little diagram for that, and I'm 255 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:23,039 sure the USG website also discusses that or has that 256 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:27,799 same graphic. But again, this just goes to show you 257 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:33,320 why it's so difficult to play by the rules. Yeah, 258 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,120 as opposed to just take it back and hit another one, 259 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:39,679 as you were saying before, you could hit a provisional, 260 00:14:40,519 --> 00:14:43,200 but there are other options. 261 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. Then I'm still not clear on when you're allowed 262 00:14:52,799 --> 00:14:58,840 to just move the ball, the difference between taking the 263 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,480 ball all the way back to where you originally hit 264 00:15:01,679 --> 00:15:04,480 or just saying, you know, out it's over here, but 265 00:15:04,519 --> 00:15:07,240 I'm moving it so it's in play here and hitting 266 00:15:07,279 --> 00:15:10,080 it here and taking hitting three versus going back to 267 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,919 the T box hitting three. Is there an instance where 268 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,399 I'm allowed to hit it from where it is out 269 00:15:15,399 --> 00:15:19,279 of bounds and just move it laterally and then take 270 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,080 my third shot from there? Is that legal? 271 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 3: Every I'm trying to say yes, but I'm having a 272 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,399 tough time remembering the exact situation. 273 00:15:30,679 --> 00:15:33,159 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, We're gonna have to do a little more 274 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:34,039 research on that one. 275 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,519 Speaker 3: But yeah, that goes back to your question you ask 276 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,000 me a little earlier. Do people come up and ask 277 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,279 me rule questions? And that happened a lot at the 278 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:48,519 golf show. And I'm an author. I'm not a rules 279 00:15:49,159 --> 00:15:52,919 official for the USGA, so I will from time to 280 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:57,279 time just like everybody else. Forget how that rule goes. 281 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: Dude, you're a compliance guy. 282 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 3: It doesn't mean we're always right. That's our goal. 283 00:16:08,159 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: Well that you know. I don't believe the rules are 284 00:16:10,399 --> 00:16:16,240 always right, but I have to play by them. He's 285 00:16:16,279 --> 00:16:20,360 not comment on that. No, Okay, are you? Are we 286 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:22,759 there more water hazard things that we should know? 287 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 3: Yes, but you know that's more than enough for today. 288 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,559 All right, so much to have fun with? 289 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, right, right right? Let's see what about testing hazards? 290 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,080 What is the ruling on that? What does that mean? 291 00:16:41,879 --> 00:16:44,799 Like you know with bunkers? I remember that? Is that 292 00:16:44,879 --> 00:16:47,960 a us open Like if it's if. 293 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,559 Speaker 3: You know, are you talking about Let's see what was 294 00:16:50,559 --> 00:16:51,360 that Johnson? 295 00:16:52,039 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: Was that Dustin Johnson? 296 00:16:54,279 --> 00:16:54,919 Speaker 3: Justin Johnson? 297 00:16:55,279 --> 00:16:56,639 Speaker 1: If it's it's a hazard? 298 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:56,879 Speaker 3: Right? 299 00:16:56,919 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: And he was like that he got penalized and laws 300 00:17:00,159 --> 00:17:01,360 It was like terrible. 301 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 3: You know, it's funny. Is I actually struck up a 302 00:17:03,759 --> 00:17:07,400 conversation with one of the presenters at last year's Real 303 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,920 School about that, and he was laughing because he was 304 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:16,319 there and he was telling me how every caddy and 305 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,920 player was told over and over and again, you know 306 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,519 they were they were shown where all the bunkers are at. 307 00:17:21,759 --> 00:17:24,599 And even as I guess as Dustin was going up there, 308 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:29,119 his caddy was told, that's a that's a bunker hazard. 309 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,000 So what we see on TV doesn't always actually happen 310 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,279 is the way we think it does. Uh, and sometimes 311 00:17:36,279 --> 00:17:40,079 they just don't pay attention. So uh, but yes, to 312 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,240 answer your question, you can. You can dig your feet in. 313 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,759 You can, I think the rules call that getting a 314 00:17:46,799 --> 00:17:53,559 firm stance. Uh. You cannot take a practice stroke that 315 00:17:53,599 --> 00:17:56,960 means hitting the sand, but you can take a practice 316 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,759 swing into the air. Again, that goes back to your 317 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:05,000 h the legal descriptions of swing versus stroke. 318 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,799 Speaker 1: Like my ball versus the A ball. 319 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 3: Right right, So as long as you don't swing into 320 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:18,400 the sand, you're okay in those in those situations. 321 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:27,079 Speaker 1: Okay, okay. So then testing hazards no, no, correct, cannot 322 00:18:27,279 --> 00:18:34,519 have your club touch the hazard while practicing correct, Okay, 323 00:18:35,039 --> 00:18:37,599 don't do it. Don't do that, but they have to 324 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,599 be designated. Now, obviously that was tournament play and there 325 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,599 was you know, like that hazard that he got penalized 326 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:49,240 for it was like the size of a size seven shoe, right, 327 00:18:49,519 --> 00:18:50,240 and I. 328 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 3: Believe there were a spectator standing in it too, Yeah, exactly. 329 00:18:53,839 --> 00:18:55,880 It makes it even more difficult to. 330 00:18:57,079 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 1: Oh that was so painful. Yeah, that was so painful. Okay, 331 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,519 So you really, if you're just playing, you should know 332 00:19:06,559 --> 00:19:09,160 your course. But I mean they're probably. 333 00:19:10,559 --> 00:19:16,759 Speaker 3: No, there are, Yes, that's always an interesting question to 334 00:19:16,799 --> 00:19:19,559 ask before you t off, you know, at the starter 335 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:24,039 and what is defined as the hazards on the courses, 336 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:28,559 and you know they'll always give you recommendations and suggestions 337 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:30,759 and things to watch out for because you know they 338 00:19:30,839 --> 00:19:32,200 know the course and they want you to have a 339 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:32,720 good time. 340 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: Yes, sure they do, all right, Well, they want you 341 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,279 to come back, that's what they want. You care if 342 00:19:39,279 --> 00:19:41,640 you enjoy yourself or not. They want you to shoot 343 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,200 on hundred and thirty. So then then I guess that 344 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:49,400 would bring up the conversation about debris or what are 345 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,079 they called obstacles or impediments. 346 00:19:53,319 --> 00:19:55,599 Speaker 3: Loose or faced impediments and. 347 00:19:59,359 --> 00:19:59,759 Speaker 1: Fixed. 348 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 3: Yes, I'm sorry, I'm losing my thought process again. 349 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,519 Speaker 1: And I understand that. I apologize. You know, we're three 350 00:20:07,559 --> 00:20:11,240 hours difference on time zone, and I'm just throughout. You know, 351 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,240 I'm getting it's getting late in your day, and I 352 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:14,400 apologize you get a pot. 353 00:20:16,039 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 3: You had made a comment earlier about the being on 354 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:24,000 the tee box and knocking the ball off the tee. 355 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:25,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's gonna go. 356 00:20:26,079 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 3: That kind of goes with being in the bunker. Is 357 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,559 it a stroke or is it a swing? If you're 358 00:20:33,319 --> 00:20:40,640 practice practicing, that's uh, not a not a stroke. That's 359 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,319 a swing because you don't have intent to hit the ball. 360 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,519 So you know, quite often we're practicing a little too 361 00:20:47,559 --> 00:20:51,279 close and we knock it off. That is not a stroke. 362 00:20:51,319 --> 00:20:53,599 There is no penalty for that, okay. 363 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,079 Speaker 1: So like so let me let me try to graphically 364 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,720 explain this one. So your tea, you're you've teed up 365 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,079 the ball, you're about to do it. You go to 366 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,319 address the ball, you place your driver right down next 367 00:21:04,319 --> 00:21:06,759 to it, and it taps the ball and the ball 368 00:21:06,839 --> 00:21:07,920 falls off the tee. 369 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 3: That is that is not a stroke. 370 00:21:11,319 --> 00:21:13,799 Speaker 1: That is not a stroke. Because you'll have guys in 371 00:21:13,839 --> 00:21:16,599 your forest and all going that's one you're and you 372 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,160 can turn around and say no, it's not right, okay, good. 373 00:21:20,799 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 3: Now on the opposite side, you can swing with the 374 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,920 intent of putting it out there two seventy five and 375 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:33,079 it go that two inches that it would have. That 376 00:21:33,799 --> 00:21:37,640 is a stroke and that is your ball played. And 377 00:21:37,839 --> 00:21:39,960 some people think, well, okay, I went three inches, let 378 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,279 me just pull it back, put it back on the tee. Well, 379 00:21:42,319 --> 00:21:44,400 effectively you've gone back to what we just talked about, 380 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:51,720 that stroke and distance, and. 381 00:21:50,079 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: And then you you do not get to tee it 382 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:56,880 up again right at that point? Well, no, the balls 383 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,400 you play it where it lies. If you only had 384 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,599 three inches, you got to hit it there, right, okay, okay, 385 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:08,000 And and but what about uh say you take a 386 00:22:08,039 --> 00:22:10,759 practice swing. No, you take you address the ball. You 387 00:22:10,839 --> 00:22:14,640 take your swing and miss the ball completely. It has happened. 388 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,599 Speaker 3: It has happened. And that is a stroke because you 389 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:19,920 had the intent of hitting it. 390 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: So if you swing and miss completely and this was 391 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,359 your swing, but you're missing and the ball is still 392 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,200 sitting exactly where it was when you started, that counts 393 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:31,799 as a stroke. 394 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 3: That strike one. 395 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: Yes, oh wow, No I don't do that. I do that. No, never, 396 00:22:42,759 --> 00:22:45,400 never do that. No, but I've seen I've seen it 397 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,960 happen because I don't I play with anybody. It's like, oh, 398 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,200 you've never played golf. Come on, let's go on. This 399 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,400 will be fun. But so that actually counts as a stroke. 400 00:22:54,599 --> 00:22:57,440 That would be defeating if you were that happened to 401 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,160 you and you weren't very good players, Like, well, I 402 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:00,720 don't want to play. That's going to count. 403 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 3: At least there's no penalty because you don't have to, 404 00:23:03,319 --> 00:23:05,400 you know, bring the ball back. You're still in a 405 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:06,200 good lie. 406 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: What do you mean there's no penalty. I didn't hit 407 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,920 it and it counts, well, there's no penalty. But you're right. 408 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,000 I like that you actually said strike one that you 409 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:22,680 know that counts as a swing. Say you hit your 410 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:27,640 ball and it goes into the woods, and I hope 411 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,720 I'm okay with this. It goes into the woods and 412 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:36,640 the ball lands under some stuff that has fallen from 413 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,480 the tree, you know, and then there's a branch here 414 00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:42,160 and there, and there's some leaves and the balls under there. 415 00:23:42,279 --> 00:23:45,799 And what am I allowed to do to make it 416 00:23:45,839 --> 00:23:47,960 so I can get a clean shot at the ball? 417 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,839 Speaker 3: No, we've we saw again. Not to bring up the tour. 418 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,279 There was an interesting one not too long ago. I 419 00:23:55,319 --> 00:23:58,839 think it was down a Hilton head where it was 420 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:04,799 live thick brush and in the backswing. If you clear 421 00:24:04,839 --> 00:24:09,480 out some of that brush, that is a penalty, even 422 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,839 though I don't know how you could not do it. 423 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: Wait live but live brush, yes. 424 00:24:17,319 --> 00:24:21,559 Speaker 3: Some tall weeds. Okay, And I think there's been other 425 00:24:21,599 --> 00:24:24,640 people that have called a penalty on themselves or something 426 00:24:24,839 --> 00:24:29,440 which somebody watching from TV at home. But you've got 427 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,480 to be very careful about changing the lie. 428 00:24:35,519 --> 00:24:38,839 Speaker 1: So am I allowed to if it's if it goes 429 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,559 into the fescue and there's all this tall grass around 430 00:24:41,559 --> 00:24:45,319 it and I can get to it. But if I 431 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:46,920 hit it, it's just going to get caught up in 432 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,480 this tall stuff. So I can't pat down the grass 433 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,279 in front of it on the direction my SHOT's going, 434 00:24:52,319 --> 00:24:53,880 I can't correct. 435 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,319 Speaker 3: You can't go in there and clear out your path. 436 00:24:56,519 --> 00:24:59,920 H Okay, And no, I don't know how you'd really, 437 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,759 I guess just smack away and try. 438 00:25:02,599 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: To Can you say you know? But you can say listen, 439 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,359 I know that if I try to hit this, it's 440 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,240 not going anywhere. I'm going to take five or six strokes. 441 00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:14,119 I'm stuck in this. Can you just can you say 442 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,880 I'm going to take a drop, I'm going to move 443 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,880 the ball and take a drop over there, you. 444 00:25:18,759 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 3: Can play it as a drawing a blank on the 445 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:28,839 terminology shown unplayable. 446 00:25:28,279 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: Lie, unplayable Ie, Okay. 447 00:25:30,759 --> 00:25:34,039 Speaker 3: I'm trying to think though, where your drop zone is 448 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,880 at very if I'm sure it's going to be close 449 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,519 to where the ball's at. So if you're if you're 450 00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:44,000 surrounded by fifteen feet of this stuff, I don't think 451 00:25:44,039 --> 00:25:46,640 you're going to get out easily. 452 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 1: Right, But there's a penalty involved with that. I mean 453 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:51,240 you can. 454 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 3: Exactly right, yes, And that kind of goes back with 455 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,200 the rule you're not trying to get out of trouble 456 00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:03,279 because you know I played the course as it lies. 457 00:26:03,519 --> 00:26:04,599 Speaker 1: No, I'm just trying to get closer. 458 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,279 Speaker 3: You're trying to well, right, but you're trying to get 459 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:12,759 relief from something that is not normal, like on a 460 00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:18,960 cart path. And that's probably one area that most people 461 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,519 don't understand. You can be on a cart path and 462 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,680 most everybody will drop to the fairway side of the 463 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,960 cart path. Well, that may not be your quote quote 464 00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:34,480 closest point of relief. It depends if you're a right 465 00:26:34,519 --> 00:26:37,119 hand or a left hander. You know, you you literally 466 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,279 have to almost measure where that ball's at and how 467 00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:43,359 far you have to move it so that you can 468 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,640 take a stance to play the ball. And it may 469 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,640 be to the inside, it may be into the rough. 470 00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:54,440 And I've even seen where your closest point of relief 471 00:26:54,480 --> 00:27:00,799 could be right behind a tree. Now you're not taking relief. 472 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,400 You're not trying to better your next shot. You're just 473 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,160 taking relief from the car path. That doesn't mean that 474 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,799 you're going to have a great next shot, but it 475 00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:12,759 means you're not going to hit on the carpath right. 476 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: And if you do land on the card path and 477 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:20,000 you take relief from that, is there a penalty. No, 478 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,680 So you should not hit from the card. 479 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 3: Path unless you have no good relief. I mean you 480 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,440 can get relief from the car path, but that could 481 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:39,599 put you into a more troublesome position. You could have 482 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:44,960 roots on one side tree, maybe the dirts all tore up. 483 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: Do you remember, now this is funny. Do you remember 484 00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:53,079 the interviews that I did with the caddies at Pebble 485 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,000 Beach a couple of years ago, number of years. 486 00:27:56,839 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 3: Ago about using some other guy's club. 487 00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 1: Yes, I love that story. I love the guys, The 488 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,119 guys like they were playing you know, I gotta play 489 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:07,680 it real, liies gotta play it real lies. And the 490 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,359 guy's like, he landed on the card path and it 491 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,839 was like like it was asphalt. It wasn't just a cement. 492 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,720 It was asphalt, right, So there's rocks in it and 493 00:28:16,759 --> 00:28:19,279 pebbles and it's rough. And the guy was like, oh, 494 00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:20,880 I'm going to just take relief here, and his playing 495 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,960 partner said, no, got to play it where it lies. Now. 496 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:24,880 Was he wrong? 497 00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 3: Well, yes, that's not the rules. The rule says you 498 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,039 could you can take free relief from there. Those two 499 00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:38,000 were they Well, again, they broke the rules before they 500 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,680 even started because they decided that they were going to 501 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:46,160 play everything down and that was contrary to taking your 502 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,400 a loud relief mm and so yes. And then the 503 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,599 golfer that was hitting asked if he could take a 504 00:28:52,599 --> 00:28:55,720 practice wing, and the golfer said sure, right, took several 505 00:28:55,759 --> 00:28:56,680 practice wings. 506 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,599 Speaker 1: And he took several practice wings and and he's like, 507 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,319 you know, he's making sure. Then there's sparks flying from 508 00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:07,039 the club and you know it's just he's just destroying 509 00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:10,640 the golf club. I loved this story. And finally he 510 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,039 takes the shot and sticks it, puts it right next 511 00:29:14,079 --> 00:29:16,880 to the pin and his playing partner said, wow, that 512 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,200 was a great shot. Which club did you use? And 513 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:24,359 he said your six iron? I thought that was funny, 514 00:29:24,599 --> 00:29:26,880 now it was it was, But now wait a minute, 515 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,839 using your partner's six iron is illegal? Correct? 516 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:38,839 Speaker 3: Okay? You can share clubs as long as the total 517 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,079 number of clubs don't exceed fourteen. 518 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,359 Speaker 1: Whoa total number of clubs that you use and around 519 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,079 or because you may be carrying fourteen, but you're not 520 00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:51,680 going to hit your seven iron at all today, you can't. 521 00:29:51,839 --> 00:29:54,559 Speaker 3: It's in your bag, You're going to use it. Okay, 522 00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:55,880 it's available to you. 523 00:29:56,079 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: Right, So if you're only carrying. 524 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,359 Speaker 3: I never thought about that one. He probably he's got 525 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,319 a penalty for having too many clubs, right. 526 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: So that you can carry thirteen clubs and say to 527 00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:09,759 your buddy, I didn't bring my hybrid today. Can I 528 00:30:09,799 --> 00:30:12,400 borrow yours? And as long as you've got thirteen clubs 529 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,839 in your bag, that's okay. 530 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,839 Speaker 3: Well, it's okay one way. I'm trying to think of 531 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:23,079 the other golfer because now he's shared a club. I'm 532 00:30:23,119 --> 00:30:25,599 not sure how that falls. I think he might be Okay, 533 00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:29,319 it gets a little tricky there. Oh, sure, the penalty can. 534 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,799 Speaker 1: Go, where's the lawyers when we need them exactly? 535 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:37,759 Speaker 3: Another point about the rules that we're getting into is 536 00:30:37,799 --> 00:30:43,279 it's not always about penalizing yourself. It's about the opportunities 537 00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:46,440 that you missed, like dropping it off the cart path 538 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,880 or taking it out of the embedded life so you 539 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,559 don't take four strokes to move it a foot and 540 00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:55,240 a half. So the rules are there just to try 541 00:30:55,319 --> 00:30:59,200 to make the game more enjoyable, or at least even. 542 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,559 Speaker 1: That's making the game more enjoyable is being able to 543 00:31:04,599 --> 00:31:10,359 tee it up every time? What about cleaning the ball? 544 00:31:10,839 --> 00:31:14,599 You know sometimes you'll get when where there's win. There 545 00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:19,359 are when people say winter rules, Is that an official designation? 546 00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:20,279 Do you know? 547 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,599 Speaker 3: It is an official designation. It's called preferred lies in 548 00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:31,039 the book, and it's there for the care of the course. Okay, 549 00:31:31,559 --> 00:31:35,519 that hole or maybe the entire grasp because of the 550 00:31:35,559 --> 00:31:38,720 weather conditions. They don't want you taking big chunks of 551 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,160 sod out so you can move the ball slightly so 552 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,480 that you have a better lie, so that you don't 553 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:46,880 do as much damage to the course. 554 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: Sure, but what if you've got a big chunk of 555 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:49,480 mud on your ball? 556 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,279 Speaker 3: There are times that you can clean the ball, but 557 00:31:56,519 --> 00:32:00,559 just I'm not sure how the preferred lies rolls in 558 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,920 with cleaning your ball. I don't think that that's an 559 00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:08,200 option there. Wow, of course you can clean it on 560 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:08,880 the putting green. 561 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: On the putting green, yes, and. 562 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 3: After your market, before you tee off, you can clean 563 00:32:16,279 --> 00:32:21,200 your ball slightly for identification purposes. You know, you might 564 00:32:21,559 --> 00:32:23,559 have a big clump of dirt, but that dirt might 565 00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:27,240 be right over your marking and you need to be 566 00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:31,640 able to identify. So there are opportunities where you can 567 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,559 touch up the ball a little bit. Playing an unplayable 568 00:32:35,599 --> 00:32:38,640 live believe that's an option too, where you can clean 569 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:43,599 your ball before you redrop. So, m okay, a lot 570 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:44,680 of fun stuff. 571 00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:46,359 Speaker 1: A lot of fun stuff. Let's see, I'm gonna throw 572 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,279 one more at you. Let's see if you can come 573 00:32:49,359 --> 00:32:53,720 up with your ball. You've just hit your ball from 574 00:32:53,759 --> 00:32:57,480 the fairway. You're now on the green, and your playing 575 00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:01,440 partner hits up and comes up short of the green. 576 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,400 He's just on the fringe. And then he goes to 577 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,839 take his next shot from the fringe, and in the 578 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,240 process of hitting it from the fringe, he hits your ball. 579 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,839 Is that a penalty or is that okay, because you 580 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,680 haven't gotten up to mark your ball yet. I mean, 581 00:33:18,839 --> 00:33:20,559 you know, obviously you're going to go mark your ball 582 00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:24,400 what you're allowed to do, right and pick it up. Okay, 583 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:30,440 But if he hits it from off the green, no 584 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,359 matter what club he's using. And this is one thing 585 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,799 that cracks me up all the time. People say, oh, 586 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,400 I had three putts there. It's like, no, you had 587 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,559 three strokes with your putter, but you only had two 588 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,039 official putts. Correct. Just because you're using your putter doesn't 589 00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:47,480 mean it counts as a putt because people putt from 590 00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:52,119 off the green all the time, right, okay, so excuse me. 591 00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:56,519 So then now, guys, he's using his putter, he's on 592 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,519 the fringe and he hits it and it hits your ball. 593 00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:05,200 Is that a penalty? And if it is, well, whose 594 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,920 ball gets moved? Or do they both? How does that work? 595 00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 3: All? Right? Hopefully I get this right. There is no penalty. 596 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,000 The ball that was there first sitting will be replaced 597 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,599 for no penalty. The player that was just hitting that 598 00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:24,239 knocked the ball. I believe that's a rub of the 599 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,599 green and his ball stays where it bounced off. 600 00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:31,679 Speaker 1: So one gets moved The ball that's originally there gets 601 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,079 moved back to where it was, and the other one 602 00:34:33,079 --> 00:34:37,119 wherever it ricocheted onto that stays where it is, right, Okay, 603 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:42,239 Now he hits that shot and it trickles from the fringe. 604 00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:45,719 He hits his approach shot, it trickles just over the 605 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,039 fringe and makes it onto the first two inches of 606 00:34:48,039 --> 00:34:51,039 the green. Now he's actually putting on the green, and 607 00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:55,599 you still haven't moved your ball because you're on the 608 00:34:55,599 --> 00:34:58,039 opposite of the green, and for whatever reason, and he 609 00:34:58,039 --> 00:35:01,559 puts it and it hits you your ball. Is that 610 00:35:01,639 --> 00:35:03,880 a penalty? 611 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:04,320 Speaker 3: Yes? 612 00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:06,599 Speaker 1: How much of a penalty? 613 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,639 Speaker 3: Two strokes? Most everything is two strokes for match or 614 00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:17,239 for stroke play. Match play is usually the loss of whole. 615 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So two strokes meaning I'm hitting my third shot. 616 00:35:26,159 --> 00:35:30,199 Let's see, I'm hitting you hit hitting my third shot. 617 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,880 I hit his ball for my my third shot. Ye, 618 00:35:35,159 --> 00:35:38,679 and now I'm a two penalty strokes. So now my 619 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,840 next stroke four or five, I'm now hitting six, right 620 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:44,039 or I'm hitting five. 621 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,800 Speaker 3: You're hitting six because you hit three, you four and 622 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,519 five is your penalty, and then your next shot will 623 00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:53,760 be stroke will be six. 624 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: Okay, But on the on the out of bounds situations, 625 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,599 you're you hit it in, you pull it out, that's penalty. 626 00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:01,920 You get one stroke penalty. 627 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:08,039 Speaker 3: Well you're hitting the first it counts and then your 628 00:36:08,119 --> 00:36:09,440 penalty stroke coming back. 629 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: And so you when you're hitting a and you're hitting 630 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:17,760 three not four, that's okay, right dude, I am. I 631 00:36:18,599 --> 00:36:20,800 know you got to be exhausted for me grinding you 632 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:25,880 like this. I'm I'm I'm tapped out, but I really 633 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,159 enjoy your time. And again, I can't thank you enough 634 00:36:29,199 --> 00:36:31,800 for your long term support of the podcast and your 635 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,800 very kind words. And I'm still don't get why you 636 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:39,239 would dedicate your book, but now that you've done it, 637 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:40,960 you've got to dedicate all three of them to me, 638 00:36:41,039 --> 00:36:48,960 So screw you, buddy, And again, thanks so much. And 639 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,760 I really want to advise anyone who's interested in getting 640 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,840 more about learning the rules so you can repeat them 641 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,639 to your friends. Forget the Rules of Golf written by 642 00:36:58,679 --> 00:37:04,159 the USGA is it's little, but it's little pages because 643 00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:05,599 they want you to put it in your back pocket, 644 00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:08,559 but it's over two hundred pages long. No the golf 645 00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:11,079 role stroke play. Learn the rules of golf by watching 646 00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:14,320 others break them, which actually is kind of fun because 647 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,079 you get yourself into situations going I've been there, I 648 00:37:17,159 --> 00:37:19,960 know that, and you start getting to know the people 649 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,519 that are in the book. It's a lot of fun. 650 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 3: Pick that up. 651 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,199 Speaker 1: It's in the Golfer's mart The Golf Rules by Richard Todd. Richard, 652 00:37:26,519 --> 00:37:32,960 thanks again, man, thank you, I appreciate it.