WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.600 --> 00:00:06.480 Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Joker Retrospective. 2 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:09.199 I am the clown Prince of podcast Tres Snail and 3 00:00:09.199 --> 00:00:10.039 I'm joined by. 4 00:00:10.599 --> 00:00:15.880 I'm the Clown comas I am the Murray Taylor Field. 5 00:00:16.399 --> 00:00:18.399 Yeah, threw me off because usually we're doing like a 6 00:00:18.480 --> 00:00:20.320 series of retros, or we're. 7 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:22.440 Doing you know, oh, it's our you know, our annual, 8 00:00:23.679 --> 00:00:28.199 our annual Halloween Annual anal. It's our anal retrospective. 9 00:00:28.199 --> 00:00:31.839 We're watching the top ten anal videos on X videos. 10 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:32.439 You know. 11 00:00:32.479 --> 00:00:34.759 That's Arthur Fleck was doing now, And if he had 12 00:00:34.799 --> 00:00:36.520 the Internet, that would just he wouldn't have been a criminal. 13 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:38.880 He would just been watching, just like he would have 14 00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:40.719 been in the weird stuff though he had been watching 15 00:00:40.759 --> 00:00:43.399 like the mom steps on type of stuff, like the 16 00:00:43.439 --> 00:00:45.359 relationships he got's going on with his mom, right. 17 00:00:45.479 --> 00:00:48.039 Like weird weird guy, we're gonna talk about that. 18 00:00:48.119 --> 00:00:50.600 But yeah, usually it's a retro that's like, oh, we're 19 00:00:50.600 --> 00:00:52.679 back to this, we're doing this today, but no, this 20 00:00:52.840 --> 00:00:55.799 is a the second time we're doing this this year 21 00:00:55.880 --> 00:00:58.079 or the ever in geek for his history that we've 22 00:00:58.119 --> 00:00:59.679 never retro. 23 00:00:59.399 --> 00:01:01.399 To movie that we review. We did that with Deadpool. 24 00:01:01.439 --> 00:01:02.399 I did Pool too early. 25 00:01:02.399 --> 00:01:04.719 We did it as like a combined episode earlier this 26 00:01:04.840 --> 00:01:07.200 year because as we said when we started gig first, 27 00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:09.840 we're never gonna retro something that's not five years older 28 00:01:09.959 --> 00:01:14.079 or something we hadn't done before, and so Joker has 29 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:17.000 now it's been five years. But also, as I said 30 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:18.680 on the news, I'm always down to talk Joker. 31 00:01:18.719 --> 00:01:19.439 It's been a minute. 32 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:22.480 But Taylor and Kirklan, we're not on the actual original 33 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:25.439 review for Joker. I don't know where those gentlemen were 34 00:01:25.480 --> 00:01:28.239 at the time, but uh, it was myself Dylan Break. 35 00:01:28.359 --> 00:01:30.840 So technically we have talked bus talk about gold Geeks, 36 00:01:30.840 --> 00:01:32.079 but we're re talked about. 37 00:01:32.120 --> 00:01:33.760 Plus we got some trivia. 38 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:35.560 And anything that might come up to because we do 39 00:01:35.599 --> 00:01:37.879 the predictions episodes, So check out the newscast where we 40 00:01:38.359 --> 00:01:41.120 have predictions. TA has a great chat GPT, a very 41 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:43.200 central chat GPT for this one. 42 00:01:43.200 --> 00:01:44.599 There's some throbbing going on. 43 00:01:45.079 --> 00:01:47.840 But yeah, but even watching this, I was like, oh, 44 00:01:47.879 --> 00:01:49.799 there's some stuff that I because I didn't watch before 45 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:52.319 the prequel or the predictions, there's some stuff from like, oh, 46 00:01:52.359 --> 00:01:54.359 I'm sure in conversation we'll talk about like what could 47 00:01:54.359 --> 00:01:55.920 they do in the sequel at this and yeah, yeah, 48 00:01:55.959 --> 00:01:58.760 yeahda but uh kurking pats are I will start with 49 00:01:58.799 --> 00:02:00.719 you because you were basically trying to review last night 50 00:02:00.760 --> 00:02:03.400 a newscast. What did you think about it when you 51 00:02:03.480 --> 00:02:05.760 saw it originally? And what do you think about now? 52 00:02:05.840 --> 00:02:08.479 Any change up or down? Exact same thoughts. 53 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:09.680 Floor is yours. 54 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:12.159 It is part two of my retro that I started 55 00:02:12.199 --> 00:02:13.039 up yesterday. 56 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:14.759 Ye go back the first parts there. 57 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:19.680 Yeah, going back twenty nineteen when I watched this in theaters, 58 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:26.439 I remember just totally being like disturbed. I feel like 59 00:02:26.520 --> 00:02:30.280 this movie is, at least for myself, it left me 60 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:32.479 very just with a yucky feeling like it is a 61 00:02:32.520 --> 00:02:35.919 really heavy film that isn't just you know, it's no 62 00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:38.159 thor Ragnarok. You don't you just put on to have 63 00:02:38.199 --> 00:02:39.719 a good time and you can just you can just 64 00:02:39.759 --> 00:02:41.719 do whatever, Like I'm not putting this onto the background 65 00:02:41.800 --> 00:02:44.599 ever when I'm vacuuming my house, Like this is just 66 00:02:44.599 --> 00:02:46.560 just I don't know. I feel like there's a lot 67 00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:49.080 of heavy stuff in this in this movie, but that 68 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:53.560 also just speaks to like them completely nailing the target, 69 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:55.759 Like like I like totally what they are going for. 70 00:02:56.280 --> 00:02:59.159 Joaquin feels not like walking like he feels like a 71 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:02.759 completely different character. He feels like Arthur Fleck and with 72 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:06.159 everything with his mannerisms with it, like, just man, what 73 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:10.000 a performance. And I can definitely appreciate the quality, but yeah, 74 00:03:10.039 --> 00:03:12.080 it's not one that I was like racing to rewatch. 75 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:18.240 So yeah, I hadn't revisited it since then until uh yeah, 76 00:03:18.360 --> 00:03:20.360 just on Monday there when I when I watched it 77 00:03:20.400 --> 00:03:22.120 for the first time since. 78 00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:26.879 And uhcast, so you've only seen it twice now. 79 00:03:27.080 --> 00:03:29.800 Yeah, I only seen it twice, and I will say 80 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:35.039 on this second viewing, they definitely still let me feel lucky. 81 00:03:35.039 --> 00:03:36.400 But I feel like, maybe I don't know, I could 82 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:38.039 handle it a little bit more. Maybe I just knew 83 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:42.960 what was coming. Yeah, on a second viewing, like I 84 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:45.039 don't know, we'll go into it when we get there, 85 00:03:45.080 --> 00:03:49.439 but I still think it's totally a masterpiece it. It 86 00:03:49.520 --> 00:03:53.680 also was a lot more on the musical lines than 87 00:03:53.680 --> 00:03:56.039 I was expecting, Like there's no song in dance, Well 88 00:03:56.080 --> 00:03:58.520 there kind of is, but there's no like it being 89 00:03:58.560 --> 00:04:01.360 a musical where he starts singing, but a lot of dancing, 90 00:04:01.919 --> 00:04:05.439 and I feel like the music right, yeah, yeah, exactly, 91 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:07.759 So I feel I feel like the music is a 92 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:11.280 big aspect actually of this movie. And uh, it's not 93 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:14.080 like you know, now that I've seen it, it's like, okay, no, 94 00:04:14.199 --> 00:04:16.839 I can totally see why the sequel could be like 95 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:19.959 a musical. I'm I was still open to the idea, 96 00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:21.680 especially that Lady Gaga is going to be a big 97 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:24.120 part of it. But I don't know. It just it 98 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:26.959 just seems like a natural progression of the story. Like 99 00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:30.800 it's so yeah, I am very like, just so much 100 00:04:30.800 --> 00:04:34.360 more excited now for the sequel and yeah, no, really 101 00:04:34.399 --> 00:04:36.439 good time. I'm excited to unpack with you guys because 102 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:40.240 I hadn't had the chance to do that on air since. 103 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:42.959 Yeah, and because I'm gonna say this because I don't 104 00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:43.399 want to forget. 105 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:44.720 I'm not going to my overalls. 106 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:46.920 But that's something too that I know some people it 107 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:48.920 was a debate when the movie came out. The stairs, 108 00:04:48.920 --> 00:04:50.879 the scene where he goes down the stairs, right and 109 00:04:50.920 --> 00:04:53.279 you got Gary Glitter's like rock and roll. I know 110 00:04:53.319 --> 00:04:55.399 there's tons of people that hate that, right, They rather 111 00:04:55.519 --> 00:04:57.800 just be the score. But I've always said the reason 112 00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:00.279 I like that is because in his head it's rock 113 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:03.120 and roll music. But you make the transition to like 114 00:05:03.160 --> 00:05:06.000 the dark ominous score by a great job I can't remember, 115 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:09.399 I can't pronounce her last name, but Hilder like it's 116 00:05:09.399 --> 00:05:11.240 this dark onmos score. So for me, it's always like 117 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:13.040 in his head, he's like a rock star, but when 118 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:14.879 you look at real life, it's like, no, this is 119 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:17.120 a really tragic thing that's happening right. He's sending in 120 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:19.040 the madness. So it's kind of like what we thought 121 00:05:19.040 --> 00:05:21.040 this musical was gonna be right with him and Harley, 122 00:05:21.079 --> 00:05:23.920 where they're gonna have these big, grandiose numbers because they're 123 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:26.800 in love or they're going through this crazy experience, these 124 00:05:26.879 --> 00:05:29.319 high highs, but in real life, like even the trailer, 125 00:05:29.319 --> 00:05:31.160 I think they have that moment where they're dancing in 126 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:33.720 a musical number and they switch over to them dancing 127 00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:36.279 in like a rainy Gotham, there's like destruction behind them, 128 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:38.839 Like it kind of fits where this is like I 129 00:05:38.839 --> 00:05:42.399 think the musical might take what happened on the stairs, 130 00:05:42.439 --> 00:05:44.839 but like Times at by ten as far as okay, 131 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:47.000 instead of just like a different track of music, you're 132 00:05:47.000 --> 00:05:50.439 gonna see Arthur seeing like a whole different set piece 133 00:05:50.519 --> 00:05:53.199 and characters and moments and all that stuff. So it 134 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:55.519 is a it's a good observation. Yeah, even just like 135 00:05:55.800 --> 00:05:57.959 first time he kills someone, he's dancing in a bathroom, 136 00:05:58.040 --> 00:05:59.920 you know, so it's like, you know, there's there's some 137 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:00.560 them there. 138 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:07.000 So Taylor, Yeah, this, like I said before in our predictions, 139 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:10.240 the news episode over this week, this episode or sorry, 140 00:06:10.279 --> 00:06:13.439 this movie. I really really like it. I saw it 141 00:06:13.480 --> 00:06:14.720 twice in theaters. 142 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:17.680 I just bought the hard copy as soon as it 143 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:18.120 came out. 144 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:22.319 I just really really loved what they did with it 145 00:06:22.399 --> 00:06:24.839 and this character, and it was It's been a while 146 00:06:24.839 --> 00:06:27.600 since I've actually rewatched it, And so last night after 147 00:06:27.639 --> 00:06:29.720 our newscast, I put it on it's like eleven o'clock 148 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:31.160 and went to bed at like one. It is like, 149 00:06:32.079 --> 00:06:34.720 it's probably not the most ideal thing to put on 150 00:06:34.839 --> 00:06:36.959 like in the wee hours before you go to bed, 151 00:06:37.279 --> 00:06:40.439 especially at that one am mark. But I didn't feel 152 00:06:40.519 --> 00:06:43.079 necessarily totally like trash, which. 153 00:06:42.839 --> 00:06:43.639 I'm glad about. 154 00:06:43.759 --> 00:06:47.360 I was just entertained, full throttle for the whole thing. 155 00:06:47.439 --> 00:06:51.639 And it's yeah, it's just it still stands on its 156 00:06:51.639 --> 00:06:55.519 own two feet. It's a really really good freakod movie. 157 00:06:55.680 --> 00:06:57.519 There's lots of things that I forgot about lots of 158 00:06:57.560 --> 00:07:01.360 little little moments just that take place, but there's still 159 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:03.680 definitely the big things that I'll just I'll never forget. 160 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:07.959 But he's just such a such a character that just 161 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:10.079 you feel like he's that anti hero, but not even 162 00:07:10.120 --> 00:07:14.519 necessarily a hero, but just just a guy just trying 163 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:17.920 to not do right for other people. I don't even 164 00:07:17.920 --> 00:07:20.519 know if he's doing right for himself. He's just doing 165 00:07:20.600 --> 00:07:24.439 things and he feels free as the story progresses, and 166 00:07:24.480 --> 00:07:27.720 you have what should be the good guys just being 167 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:29.839 pieces of shit, and everyone's just a piece of shit 168 00:07:30.920 --> 00:07:35.399 except for I guess, Oh what is his name? He's 169 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:37.160 the guy that couldn't unlock the door. 170 00:07:38.279 --> 00:07:41.000 I think you're like David or David. 171 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:43.600 I'll find out he's back in the sequel. 172 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:46.600 In the sequel, Gary, he's in the sequel. 173 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:49.480 No, I'm not gonna hurt you. 174 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:51.319 Gary always nice to me. 175 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:53.879 I think he's in the trial. I think he's one 176 00:07:53.879 --> 00:07:54.800 of the people they interview. 177 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:57.959 So, oh, that'll be cool. I'm excited then for that. 178 00:07:57.959 --> 00:07:58.600 That's awesome. 179 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:03.560 But yeah, no, I just think Joaquin Phoenix is fucking incredible. 180 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:05.920 The first scene that we get where he's got like 181 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:08.480 no shirt on, and he's just in his like the 182 00:08:08.519 --> 00:08:11.439 locker room, like stretching his like clown shoe, and it's 183 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:13.879 just the way his back is and his arms. Fuck, 184 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:18.680 he just he's so different in this role and just 185 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:21.240 a total total shift of character. 186 00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:23.360 Like it's absolutely incredible. 187 00:08:23.399 --> 00:08:25.720 He does such a good job at really embodying this 188 00:08:25.720 --> 00:08:29.600 this character. Again, not watching for a while, it just 189 00:08:29.720 --> 00:08:32.960 it really kicks in, like wow, just these awkward moments 190 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:36.000 when he can't control his laughing and all those different 191 00:08:36.639 --> 00:08:38.240 scenes that just say, it's. 192 00:08:38.120 --> 00:08:39.440 Just it's crazy. It's crazy. 193 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:41.840 It's just how everything gets super tense as it leads 194 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:45.559 into that final act. It's just fucking phenomenal. So yeah, 195 00:08:45.679 --> 00:08:48.720 it's absolutely incredible movie. And I'm excited to talk a 196 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:53.080 little bit more about the dynamic between like the Bruce 197 00:08:53.519 --> 00:08:57.039 and Fleck and then Thomas and the mom and all 198 00:08:57.039 --> 00:08:57.519 that stuff. 199 00:08:57.559 --> 00:09:01.080 So yeah, yeah, so you can go you know, need 200 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:02.759 to go back. It's gonna say it here, but I 201 00:09:02.840 --> 00:09:05.799 you know, watched it, loved the first go round, gave 202 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:07.720 it a ten at ten and you know, just to 203 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:11.039 cut to the chase, it stays to that level. For me, 204 00:09:11.159 --> 00:09:13.879 it hasn't dropped at all, especially because like, this is 205 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:15.679 definitely a movie that I feel like a lot of 206 00:09:15.720 --> 00:09:18.559 people have issues with or don't like. 207 00:09:18.679 --> 00:09:19.840 So I thought, oh, you. 208 00:09:19.799 --> 00:09:22.679 Know, eventually someone's gonna And I still think there's critiques 209 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:23.960 of the movies that work, right, Oh, I can see, 210 00:09:23.960 --> 00:09:26.039 But I thought, Okay, maybe eventually because it is a 211 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:29.000 deeper movie, it's more psychological, and maybe that has to 212 00:09:29.039 --> 00:09:31.679 be more perfectly strung together. It might not make sense, 213 00:09:31.720 --> 00:09:35.480 but for me, I guess it just works on many levels. 214 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:37.360 And one thing that we talked about last night we 215 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:37.840 did prediction. 216 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:39.679 I said, oh, I'm excited, but I'm just not as 217 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:42.480 excited for that as the first one, because you know, 218 00:09:42.519 --> 00:09:45.879 we kind of know what we're gonna somewhat expect, right. 219 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:48.600 I'm hoping the case with the second one. We don't. 220 00:09:48.639 --> 00:09:50.399 But I think we watched this because I don't remember 221 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:51.200 last time I rewatched. 222 00:09:51.200 --> 00:09:52.799 I felt like when it first came out, I watched 223 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:54.759 it a bunch because I don't have a problem of 224 00:09:54.879 --> 00:09:55.919 watching depressing movies. 225 00:09:55.960 --> 00:09:57.120 That's kind of like a go to for me. 226 00:09:57.159 --> 00:10:02.320 I like character studies that are one like American Psycho Shame, 227 00:10:02.519 --> 00:10:06.600 Like that's my bag. As we're gonna nope, we're gonna 228 00:10:06.600 --> 00:10:09.440 fall very flawed individual Yeah. 229 00:10:09.519 --> 00:10:09.879 Dahmer. 230 00:10:10.039 --> 00:10:12.679 Yeah, the Dahmer is another one like we could I 231 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:16.679 could follow like shady, crazy dark individuals. And I like 232 00:10:16.759 --> 00:10:18.720 that tar that just came out a couple of years ago. 233 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:22.120 Like I like, just okay, it's their journey. There's some 234 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:25.480 characters around, but really it's about them, right And for me, 235 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:28.200 I think what got me more excited this go around 236 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:33.440 was a huge plane passes by the story. Was nothing 237 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:35.399 more excited for the sequel but or sorry, not more 238 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:37.080 excited for this original but for the sequels. 239 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:39.919 Like, man, it's just such a well made film. I 240 00:10:40.039 --> 00:10:41.720 love just crashes. 241 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:44.519 It's weird because I can hear I hear the fucking plane. 242 00:10:44.559 --> 00:10:51.879 We we live like we do just laugh on air, 243 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:56.840 just like just like just alone in the chat room. 244 00:10:57.080 --> 00:11:03.039 The last image, it's just like it's that like fades 245 00:11:03.039 --> 00:11:07.799 the black. But anyways, everything, especially when making a film 246 00:11:07.840 --> 00:11:10.759 like I love just like the color grading of this movie, 247 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:14.080 just the color palette they choose. It just all, you know, 248 00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:17.799 has this like rustic film feeling at times, but then 249 00:11:17.840 --> 00:11:20.799 like the blues and the greens really stand down. They're 250 00:11:20.919 --> 00:11:23.639 very bright, but they're bright in like a dark way. 251 00:11:23.679 --> 00:11:25.759 It's not like a bright like superhero. It's just like 252 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:29.159 they stand out. So I love the way everything looks 253 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:31.080 between Gotham and just on the shots. So I think 254 00:11:31.159 --> 00:11:32.919 that's what got me more excited, because like, I'm not 255 00:11:32.919 --> 00:11:35.080 trying to shit in the genre, but just because they 256 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:37.080 make a lot of money, a lot of these comic 257 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:39.039 films get rushed and they don't take the time to 258 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:41.960 make you know, maybe to compose a shot well or 259 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:44.600 maybe work on their effects. And it's different again here too, right, 260 00:11:44.679 --> 00:11:46.399 because like the only CGI in this movie is like 261 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:49.120 a couple of rats, so it's very different scales. But 262 00:11:49.159 --> 00:11:51.279 I think this got me more excited than I was 263 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:53.320 even just last night time. But where I was excited, 264 00:11:53.360 --> 00:11:56.080 I'm still very excited that man joking my favorite characters, 265 00:11:56.120 --> 00:11:58.519 but just the shots, like oh yeah, like we're gonna 266 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:00.720 get a movie that's based on combook stuff that is 267 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:03.000 more grounded and is more about. 268 00:12:02.799 --> 00:12:03.879 The filmmaking side. 269 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:06.200 So I think even for the people that would critique it, 270 00:12:06.240 --> 00:12:09.000 there's lots of just great film shots. I still love 271 00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:11.559 what they do with Arthur. I think that is a 272 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:15.840 problem for some people where it's not the character is 273 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:18.679 not black and white, there's people where they go, oh, well, 274 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:20.519 you know when he lets Gary go, that's not the 275 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:22.600 Joker to me, because the Joker would kill that guy. 276 00:12:22.879 --> 00:12:24.759 And it's like, one, there's many versions of the Joker, 277 00:12:24.799 --> 00:12:27.519 but two, I think when they're they're tackling mental health here, 278 00:12:27.960 --> 00:12:30.840 it's not like black and white. It's not like many 279 00:12:30.919 --> 00:12:34.440 people have different variations. And it's also not just someone 280 00:12:34.519 --> 00:12:37.480 suffering from mental health. It's someone suffering from poverty. It's 281 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:41.120 someone's sent from physical abuse, it's someone suffering from just 282 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:44.120 a shitty life in general. He says that line to 283 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:45.759 his mom, right, like, I don't know if I've ever 284 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:47.399 been happy in my life, so and that is a 285 00:12:47.440 --> 00:12:50.519 depression thing. But that's where I just feel like there's 286 00:12:50.960 --> 00:12:54.480 multiple facets with the character that for me work and 287 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:57.360 I think makes some people feel uncomfortable. And I think 288 00:12:57.399 --> 00:13:00.559 it's some things like again, there's this character does a 289 00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:02.480 lot of terrible things, but in the middle of the movie, 290 00:13:02.480 --> 00:13:05.159 they say, hey, are fun to get cut and you 291 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:07.039 get no more help, right, And that could be an 292 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:09.639 issue that's like a pointing right there of like society 293 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:11.440 and I talk about in our first Roam where my 294 00:13:11.519 --> 00:13:14.519 dad was a psychiatrist. And that's the thing where it's like, 295 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:17.840 sometimes the system does fail people. You know, some people 296 00:13:17.879 --> 00:13:19.600 are more willing to get help, but sometimes it's just 297 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:21.840 everything can't be perfect. 298 00:13:21.879 --> 00:13:22.919 That's with every job, right. 299 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:25.360 So I think that's why I still enjoy this movie, 300 00:13:25.399 --> 00:13:28.480 because I think it pushes the envelope and I can 301 00:13:28.600 --> 00:13:30.360 understand why people if they don't like it because it's 302 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:30.840 too dark. 303 00:13:30.879 --> 00:13:32.519 I can understand if they feel because. 304 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:35.519 Some people, I think still worry that, oh, it takes 305 00:13:35.559 --> 00:13:38.480 mental health and it puts this very black cloud over it, 306 00:13:38.519 --> 00:13:41.120 and you know, obviously he becomes this joker and serial killer. 307 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:45.679 It's it's I get people's problem of Okay, let's say 308 00:13:45.679 --> 00:13:48.360 the joker is a guy that felm the chemicals. Well, 309 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:50.360 that's easy to say he's crazy, right because like, oh, 310 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:53.879 well he got sick and now he's crazy. Opposed to oh, 311 00:13:53.919 --> 00:13:56.480 this is a guy that's like a regular person that 312 00:13:56.639 --> 00:13:59.399 society or himself or his mother whatever it maybe got 313 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:00.759 him to this poor and we won't want to put 314 00:14:00.759 --> 00:14:03.320 that image out there. But it doesn't matter because to me, like, 315 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:04.559 unfortunately that still happens. 316 00:14:04.600 --> 00:14:04.759 Right. 317 00:14:04.799 --> 00:14:07.600 There's people that shoot up a bunch of schools and 318 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:10.639 buildings and you know, the dark Knight rises the screen. 319 00:14:10.720 --> 00:14:12.919 It's like, these are people that suffer for mental health 320 00:14:12.919 --> 00:14:14.559 and whether it's a system that fails. 321 00:14:14.279 --> 00:14:15.440 Them or people around them. 322 00:14:15.679 --> 00:14:18.200 And I do agree where it's just like that's something 323 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:20.440 that Todd phillips. You know, I think there's some bonehead 324 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:23.120 stuff he does that he said stuff like, oh, Colmedi's. 325 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:23.799 You know, people can't be funnymore. 326 00:14:23.799 --> 00:14:26.600 He's one of those like, oh, like, I think he's 327 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:28.720 just mad that you can't say certain words I used 328 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:30.559 to say in The Hangover, right, like people can be 329 00:14:30.600 --> 00:14:33.039 funny without having to do those. But I think when 330 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:34.879 he said one of the themes of this movie is kindness, 331 00:14:34.960 --> 00:14:36.559 and it's a weird thing to say, but I do 332 00:14:36.639 --> 00:14:39.120 agree because there's just certain moments where it's like, oh, 333 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:41.360 if there was one person to lend a hand to 334 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:45.039 this character, maybe there's a turning point, right, and that 335 00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:46.519 I think is a good lesson for our life. 336 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:48.720 Like even like and I'm almost in my overall, but. 337 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:50.840 Even like Murray, like imagine if you're a hero like 338 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:54.039 ta who's your hero, like like hero like entertainment, Why 339 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:56.559 it's not like someone like Okay, Nick Cage, Let's say 340 00:14:56.679 --> 00:14:59.200 Nick Cage. I don't think he's your hero, but let's 341 00:14:59.200 --> 00:15:00.200 say Nick Cage, like. 342 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:02.519 Hey, I would have gone with Robin Williams. 343 00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:04.000 Okay, Ron Okay, Well he's passed away, so he's not 344 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:07.799 gonna come. Kjim Carrick. Yeah, and let's just say he 345 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:11.159 saw Adrenochromer saw the next film working like man, that 346 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:13.720 taylor Field guy, he's awful, Like he's showing clips and 347 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:16.120 making fun of you, laughing like that's where it's like, yeah, 348 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:18.200 that's the kindest thing where this guy who is a 349 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:21.279 hero of him, an imaginary father figure. The first time 350 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:23.960 they like he sees him talking about him, it's making 351 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:25.759 fun of him. And that's what he always got to 352 00:15:25.799 --> 00:15:27.600 think about your actions. So that's why for me this 353 00:15:27.679 --> 00:15:30.879 movie still holds up visually. The score is she obviously 354 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:32.840 won the Oscar for it, but very well deserved. It's 355 00:15:32.840 --> 00:15:35.360 one of the best combook scores ever, and I can't 356 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:37.080 wait to see what she does along with the musical 357 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:40.360 stuff and the sequel. Even the side characters are great. 358 00:15:40.360 --> 00:15:42.799 The mother is great. I love Thomas Wayne here, He's 359 00:15:42.840 --> 00:15:47.240 such a little shithead. So yeah, I still absolutely love 360 00:15:47.279 --> 00:15:48.960 this one. It's always like a joy to watch as 361 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:55.480 far as a filmmaking point of view, So thousand thousand percent. 362 00:15:55.639 --> 00:15:57.200 So where do I want to go? 363 00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:02.399 Where do we want to go? I had a point 364 00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:04.120 when you're doing your overall, but it's. 365 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:06.679 Mental health talking about the school. 366 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:09.399 The demon. There's a demon. 367 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:12.200 You can't see the. 368 00:16:12.759 --> 00:16:15.039 Fuck that's terrifying. 369 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:18.639 For a second, turn your camera. 370 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:25.200 What was I gonna say? Oh, yeah, that's what I 371 00:16:25.240 --> 00:16:28.480 was gonna go with. Yeah, Like like this, I feel 372 00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:30.480 like an observation that I had on this second viewing 373 00:16:30.519 --> 00:16:34.440 compared to my first time around, is this this journey 374 00:16:34.519 --> 00:16:36.840 very much is centered around Arthur Fleck. But I feel 375 00:16:36.840 --> 00:16:39.919 like something that I I just noticed a lot more 376 00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:43.159 in this viewing is that like there's like a massive 377 00:16:45.159 --> 00:16:49.440 like what would you call it, just just like breaking 378 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:53.120 apart of of of like classes in in Gotham here, 379 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:55.759 like like it's like a main thing of what's going 380 00:16:55.799 --> 00:16:59.440 on in the Backgroundio. Yeah, and like like just the 381 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:02.679 whole idea of like wearing like the clown Mass and 382 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:07.200 like this whole movement like they're using Arthur flex image 383 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:09.640 of him in the Clown Mass because he is the 384 00:17:09.680 --> 00:17:11.880 one that killed those those three people, like he basically 385 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:14.559 ignited the flames of this like big rebellion thing that's 386 00:17:14.559 --> 00:17:18.039 going on and accidentally accidentally and like it's very much 387 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:20.079 not the center of the movie at all, like I 388 00:17:20.200 --> 00:17:22.920 care about it. It's completely going on in the background, 389 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:25.640 and like even if he does see stuff going on 390 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:27.799 with it, like he never is actually like, oh my god, 391 00:17:27.839 --> 00:17:29.839 I did that, and like this is actually happening. Like 392 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:34.279 even when he's having yeah, it's it's between him and 393 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:36.960 Murray and he's like talking about the riots, He's like, 394 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:38.960 I don't care about any of that, and it's just 395 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:42.559 it is really interesting that like that, like that is 396 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:45.920 probably the it's it's like in The Batman with Pattinson 397 00:17:46.039 --> 00:17:48.720 and just like the massive floods of what's going on 398 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:51.039 in Gotham, Like it's such a massive thing that's like 399 00:17:51.119 --> 00:17:54.160 completely shaking the whole foundation of what what's going on 400 00:17:54.200 --> 00:17:56.519 in Gotham, and I just I don't know, Like I 401 00:17:56.799 --> 00:17:59.720