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Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Joker Retrospective.

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I am the clown Prince of podcast Tres Snail and

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I'm joined by.

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Speaker 2: I'm the Clown comas I am the Murray Taylor Field.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, threw me off because usually we're doing like a

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series of retros, or we're.

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Speaker 3: Doing you know, oh, it's our you know, our annual,

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our annual Halloween Annual anal. It's our anal retrospective.

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Speaker 1: We're watching the top ten anal videos on X videos.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: That's Arthur Fleck was doing now, And if he had

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the Internet, that would just he wouldn't have been a criminal.

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He would just been watching, just like he would have

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been in the weird stuff though he had been watching

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like the mom steps on type of stuff, like the

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relationships he got's going on with his mom, right.

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Speaker 3: Like weird weird guy, we're gonna talk about that.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, usually it's a retro that's like, oh, we're

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back to this, we're doing this today, but no, this

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is a the second time we're doing this this year

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or the ever in geek for his history that we've

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never retro.

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Speaker 3: To movie that we review. We did that with Deadpool.

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I did Pool too early.

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Speaker 1: We did it as like a combined episode earlier this

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year because as we said when we started gig first,

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we're never gonna retro something that's not five years older

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or something we hadn't done before, and so Joker has

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now it's been five years. But also, as I said

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on the news, I'm always down to talk Joker.

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Speaker 3: It's been a minute.

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Speaker 1: But Taylor and Kirklan, we're not on the actual original

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review for Joker. I don't know where those gentlemen were

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at the time, but uh, it was myself Dylan Break.

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So technically we have talked bus talk about gold Geeks,

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but we're re talked about.

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Speaker 3: Plus we got some trivia.

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Speaker 1: And anything that might come up to because we do

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the predictions episodes, So check out the newscast where we

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have predictions. TA has a great chat GPT, a very

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central chat GPT for this one.

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Speaker 3: There's some throbbing going on.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, but even watching this, I was like, oh,

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there's some stuff that I because I didn't watch before

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the prequel or the predictions, there's some stuff from like, oh,

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they do in the sequel at this and yeah, yeah,

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yeahda but uh kurking pats are I will start with

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you because you were basically trying to review last night

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a newscast. What did you think about it when you

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saw it originally? And what do you think about now?

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Any change up or down? Exact same thoughts.

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Speaker 3: Floor is yours.

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Speaker 2: It is part two of my retro that I started

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up yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Ye go back the first parts there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, going back twenty nineteen when I watched this in theaters,

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I remember just totally being like disturbed. I feel like

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this movie is, at least for myself, it left me

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very just with a yucky feeling like it is a

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really heavy film that isn't just you know, it's no

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thor Ragnarok. You don't you just put on to have

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a good time and you can just you can just

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do whatever, Like I'm not putting this onto the background

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ever when I'm vacuuming my house, Like this is just

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just I don't know. I feel like there's a lot

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of heavy stuff in this in this movie, but that

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also just speaks to like them completely nailing the target,

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Joaquin feels not like walking like he feels like a

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completely different character. He feels like Arthur Fleck and with

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everything with his mannerisms with it, like, just man, what

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a performance. And I can definitely appreciate the quality, but yeah,

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it's not one that I was like racing to rewatch.

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just on Monday there when I when I watched it

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for the first time since.

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Speaker 1: And uhcast, so you've only seen it twice now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I only seen it twice, and I will say

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on this second viewing, they definitely still let me feel lucky.

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what was coming. Yeah, on a second viewing, like I

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but I still think it's totally a masterpiece it. It

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also was a lot more on the musical lines than

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a musical where he starts singing, but a lot of dancing,

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big aspect actually of this movie. And uh, it's not

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especially that Lady Gaga is going to be a big

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part of it. But I don't know. It just it

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good time. I'm excited to unpack with you guys because

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and because I'm gonna say this because I don't

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want to forget.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to my overalls.

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Speaker 1: But that's something too that I know some people it

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was a debate when the movie came out. The stairs,

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the scene where he goes down the stairs, right and

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you got Gary Glitter's like rock and roll. I know

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just be the score. But I've always said the reason

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I like that is because in his head it's rock

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and roll music. But you make the transition to like

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this dark onmos score. So for me, it's always like

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in his head, he's like a rock star, but when

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you look at real life, it's like, no, this is

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a really tragic thing that's happening right. He's sending in

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the madness. So it's kind of like what we thought

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this musical was gonna be right with him and Harley,

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where they're gonna have these big, grandiose numbers because they're

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in love or they're going through this crazy experience, these

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a musical number and they switch over to them dancing

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but like Times at by ten as far as okay,

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instead of just like a different track of music, you're

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gonna see Arthur seeing like a whole different set piece

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and characters and moments and all that stuff. So it

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the news episode over this week, this episode or sorry,

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this movie. I really really like it. I saw it

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Speaker 5: I just bought the hard copy as soon as it

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Speaker 4: I just really really loved what they did with it

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and this character, and it was It's been a while

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especially at that one am mark. But I didn't feel

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necessarily totally like trash, which.

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Speaker 5: I'm glad about.

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Speaker 4: I was just entertained, full throttle for the whole thing.

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own two feet. It's a really really good freakod movie.

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little little moments just that take place, but there's still

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definitely the big things that I'll just I'll never forget.

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you feel like he's that anti hero, but not even

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necessarily a hero, but just just a guy just trying

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to not do right for other people. I don't even

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know if he's doing right for himself. He's just doing

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pieces of shit, and everyone's just a piece of shit

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the guy that couldn't unlock the door.

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Speaker 5: I think you're like David or David.

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Speaker 3: I'll find out he's back in the sequel.

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Speaker 4: In the sequel, Gary, he's in the sequel.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not gonna hurt you.

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Speaker 5: Gary always nice to me.

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Speaker 1: I think he's in the trial. I think he's one

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Speaker 5: So, oh, that'll be cool. I'm excited then for that.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, no, I just think Joaquin Phoenix is fucking incredible.

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locker room, like stretching his like clown shoe, and it's

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just the way his back is and his arms. Fuck,

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he just he's so different in this role and just

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a total total shift of character.

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Speaker 5: Like it's absolutely incredible.

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Speaker 4: He does such a good job at really embodying this

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this character. Again, not watching for a while, it just

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Speaker 5: Just it's crazy. It's crazy.

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into that final act. It's just fucking phenomenal. So yeah,

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it's absolutely incredible movie. And I'm excited to talk a

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little bit more about the dynamic between like the Bruce

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, so you can go you know, need

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cut to the chase, it stays to that level. For me,

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it hasn't dropped at all, especially because like, this is

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people have issues with or don't like.

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Speaker 3: So I thought, oh, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, eventually someone's gonna And I still think there's critiques

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of the movies that work, right, Oh, I can see,

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Speaker 3: And one thing that we talked about last night we

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Speaker 1: I said, oh, I'm excited, but I'm just not as

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excited for that as the first one, because you know,

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we kind of know what we're gonna somewhat expect, right.

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Speaker 1: I felt like when it first came out, I watched

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it a bunch because I don't have a problem of

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Speaker 3: That's kind of like a go to for me.

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Speaker 1: I like character studies that are one like American Psycho Shame,

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excited for this original but for the sequels.

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love just crashes.

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Speaker 4: It's weird because I can hear I hear the fucking plane.

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Speaker 1: We we live like we do just laugh on air,

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just like just like just alone in the chat room.

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The last image, it's just like it's that like fades

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the black. But anyways, everything, especially when making a film

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like I love just like the color grading of this movie,

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just the color palette they choose. It just all, you know,

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has this like rustic film feeling at times, but then

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like the blues and the greens really stand down. They're

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very bright, but they're bright in like a dark way.

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It's not like a bright like superhero. It's just like

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they stand out. So I love the way everything looks

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between Gotham and just on the shots. So I think

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that's what got me more excited, because like, I'm not

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trying to shit in the genre, but just because they

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make a lot of money, a lot of these comic

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films get rushed and they don't take the time to

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make you know, maybe to compose a shot well or

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maybe work on their effects. And it's different again here too, right,

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because like the only CGI in this movie is like

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a couple of rats, so it's very different scales. But

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even just last night time. But where I was excited,

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I'm still very excited that man joking my favorite characters,

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but just the shots, like oh yeah, like we're gonna

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get a movie that's based on combook stuff that is

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more grounded and is more about.

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Speaker 3: The filmmaking side.

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there's lots of just great film shots. I still love

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what they do with Arthur. I think that is a

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problem for some people where it's not the character is

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not black and white, there's people where they go, oh, well,

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you know when he lets Gary go, that's not the

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Joker to me, because the Joker would kill that guy.

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but two, I think when they're they're tackling mental health here,

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it's not like black and white. It's not like many

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people have different variations. And it's also not just someone

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suffering from mental health. It's someone suffering from poverty. It's

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someone's sent from physical abuse, it's someone suffering from just

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a shitty life in general. He says that line to

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his mom, right, like, I don't know if I've ever

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been happy in my life, so and that is a

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depression thing. But that's where I just feel like there's

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multiple facets with the character that for me work and

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I think makes some people feel uncomfortable. And I think

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it's some things like again, there's this character does a

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lot of terrible things, but in the middle of the movie,

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they say, hey, are fun to get cut and you

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get no more help, right, And that could be an

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issue that's like a pointing right there of like society

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and I talk about in our first Roam where my

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dad was a psychiatrist. And that's the thing where it's like,

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sometimes the system does fail people. You know, some people

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are more willing to get help, but sometimes it's just

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everything can't be perfect.

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Speaker 3: That's with every job, right.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's why I still enjoy this movie,

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because I think it pushes the envelope and I can

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understand why people if they don't like it because it's

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too dark.

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Speaker 3: I can understand if they feel because.

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Speaker 1: Some people, I think still worry that, oh, it takes

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mental health and it puts this very black cloud over it,

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and you know, obviously he becomes this joker and serial killer.

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It's it's I get people's problem of Okay, let's say

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the joker is a guy that felm the chemicals. Well,

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that's easy to say he's crazy, right because like, oh,

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well he got sick and now he's crazy. Opposed to oh,

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this is a guy that's like a regular person that

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society or himself or his mother whatever it maybe got

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him to this poor and we won't want to put

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that image out there. But it doesn't matter because to me, like,

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unfortunately that still happens.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: There's people that shoot up a bunch of schools and

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buildings and you know, the dark Knight rises the screen.

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It's like, these are people that suffer for mental health

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and whether it's a system that fails.

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Speaker 3: Them or people around them.

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Speaker 1: And I do agree where it's just like that's something

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that Todd phillips. You know, I think there's some bonehead

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stuff he does that he said stuff like, oh, Colmedi's.

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Speaker 3: You know, people can't be funnymore.

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Speaker 1: He's one of those like, oh, like, I think he's

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just mad that you can't say certain words I used

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to say in The Hangover, right, like people can be

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funny without having to do those. But I think when

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he said one of the themes of this movie is kindness,

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and it's a weird thing to say, but I do

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agree because there's just certain moments where it's like, oh,

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if there was one person to lend a hand to

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this character, maybe there's a turning point, right, and that

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I think is a good lesson for our life.

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Speaker 3: Like even like and I'm almost in my overall, but.

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Speaker 1: Even like Murray, like imagine if you're a hero like

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ta who's your hero, like like hero like entertainment, Why

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it's not like someone like Okay, Nick Cage, Let's say

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Nick Cage. I don't think he's your hero, but let's

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say Nick Cage, like.

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Speaker 4: Hey, I would have gone with Robin Williams.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Ron Okay, Well he's passed away, so he's not

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gonna come. Kjim Carrick. Yeah, and let's just say he

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saw Adrenochromer saw the next film working like man, that

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taylor Field guy, he's awful, Like he's showing clips and

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making fun of you, laughing like that's where it's like, yeah,

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that's the kindest thing where this guy who is a

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hero of him, an imaginary father figure. The first time

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they like he sees him talking about him, it's making

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fun of him. And that's what he always got to

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think about your actions. So that's why for me this

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movie still holds up visually. The score is she obviously

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won the Oscar for it, but very well deserved. It's

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one of the best combook scores ever, and I can't

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wait to see what she does along with the musical

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stuff and the sequel. Even the side characters are great.

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The mother is great. I love Thomas Wayne here, He's

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such a little shithead. So yeah, I still absolutely love

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this one. It's always like a joy to watch as

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far as a filmmaking point of view, So thousand thousand percent.

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So where do I want to go?

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Speaker 2: Where do we want to go? I had a point

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when you're doing your overall, but it's.

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Speaker 3: Mental health talking about the school.

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Speaker 2: The demon. There's a demon.

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Speaker 3: You can't see the.

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Speaker 5: Fuck that's terrifying.

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Speaker 3: For a second, turn your camera.

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Speaker 2: What was I gonna say? Oh, yeah, that's what I

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was gonna go with. Yeah, Like like this, I feel

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like an observation that I had on this second viewing

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compared to my first time around, is this this journey

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very much is centered around Arthur Fleck. But I feel

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like something that I I just noticed a lot more

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in this viewing is that like there's like a massive

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like what would you call it, just just like breaking

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apart of of of like classes in in Gotham here,

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like like it's like a main thing of what's going

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on in the Backgroundio. Yeah, and like like just the

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whole idea of like wearing like the clown Mass and

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like this whole movement like they're using Arthur flex image

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of him in the Clown Mass because he is the

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one that killed those those three people, like he basically

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ignited the flames of this like big rebellion thing that's

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going on and accidentally accidentally and like it's very much

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not the center of the movie at all, like I

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care about it. It's completely going on in the background,

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and like even if he does see stuff going on

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with it, like he never is actually like, oh my god,

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I did that, and like this is actually happening. Like

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even when he's having yeah, it's it's between him and

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Murray and he's like talking about the riots, He's like,

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I don't care about any of that, and it's just

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it is really interesting that like that, like that is

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probably the it's it's like in The Batman with Pattinson

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and just like the massive floods of what's going on

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in Gotham, Like it's such a massive thing that's like

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completely shaking the whole foundation of what what's going on

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in Gotham, and I just I don't know, Like I

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obviously knew that it was going on in the first

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time viewing because of the just the ending and it's

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right in your face, but it's just like a it's

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like a storm that's going on in another country or

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something like like because we're just so focused on Arthur

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fleck and like what's actually going on on the ground.

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So I don't know, I just I think I admired

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it on on on that because most of the time,

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when you have a big event, it's like, Okay, now

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we're going straight to the action on on the ground,

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and because that's just like a fast and exciting thing

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to watch, but we're a lot more invested on the

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inside of the character and just what's going on with

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his with his psyche and and how he's interfacing with

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the world. And yeah, I don't know, it's just really

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really neat no.

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Speaker 3: And I love that.

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Speaker 1: So if you're told Murray when I can't remember the

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character's name but he's played by God, Now I forgot

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the comedian's name too. He's like his he's like his

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side show. He's like his Andy to his Conen. But

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he's like the guy who's like his handler. Right, he's

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on the show Gan g. Yeah, I'm trying to think

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of his real name.

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Speaker 3: He was on Mark Mark Mark Marin. Yeah, great actor, great.

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I like him a lot. When he says like, oh

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he doesn't know about the shooting.

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Speaker 1: That happened the subway merging, Oh yeah, I'm sure he doesn't,

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and Arthur's like, I had no idea, but he said

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it so holy, and Mari He's like, oh fuck, like

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we might be in a little trouble here, but that's

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why I love until the very end. That doesn't really

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matter to him, right, He's like, I don't care about

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any of that stuff. It's just kind of like the

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only reason he cares is at one point it's on

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the news about oh, there's some shootings, and he just

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cares because people are talking about him.

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Speaker 3: But he doesn't care.

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Speaker 1: He's not there for that eat the rich, he's not

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there for the uprising just kind of happens. And that's

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why I think I've always said that's why the Manson

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cult like thing could work for a sequel, because you're

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gonna have this character like that where there's tons of

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people that are just lost that will glom onto anything.

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Speaker 3: We see that in society.

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Speaker 1: We see that with politics, where it's like, oh, this

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person becomes like a godlike figure when really they probably

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don't even care about you. You're just like an ant

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on their radar. And that's like Arthur Offuly. Arthur's not

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like a billionaire, he's not a politician. And but he's

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on such a different rapid journey. He didn't he didn't

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care about the clowns and what the next elections like

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and everything, but he benefits off of it. So it's

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and I just love Gotham in general. I love the

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garbage strike. I love that just looks like a like

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the way like obviously Nolan's went for the very big

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city Gotham passes Gotham when is a very kind of

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like creepy, just you don't want to be and you

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don't want to be in any of these Gothams really,

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but it's a very creepy Gothic type of Gotham.

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Speaker 3: Burns is very scary and just kind of.

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Speaker 2: Uh choose maybe with some some penguins with.

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Speaker 1: I definitely picked Nolan's. Nolan's very crimeri in but still

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it's like it's just like a normal city, right.

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Speaker 3: But this what I like about this Gotham.

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Speaker 1: It's just kind of like gross, like the garbage strike,

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a garbage to this are piling up, there's rats everywhere.

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It just feels very eighties, very oppressed people having this issue.

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So I love this type of very broken and it

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makes it feel kind of a character in the background.

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Speaker 3: So I'm interesting what they doing the sequel there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think as far as just the the scenery

473
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,799
of Gotham, it's funny going off with the Penguin Show

474
00:21:09,799 --> 00:21:12,480
and then seeing it here just to have these two comparisons.

475
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,319
I haven't seen the Nolan films for a while, I

476
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,759
haven't seen The Batman for a bit, So the the

477
00:21:19,799 --> 00:21:23,480
two worlds, Yeah, they they both feel disgusting and just

478
00:21:23,559 --> 00:21:26,160
kind of like the poverty and just when you look

479
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,119
at this one though, like garbage everywhere and you got

480
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:34,759
super rats running around apparently, and just absolutely chaotic and

481
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,160
just businesses closing down left, right and center. It just

482
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,200
does not feel like a great economic boom of a of.

483
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:41,839
Speaker 5: A place to be.

484
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,359
Speaker 4: It's just how any alleyway you can go down, you

485
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,200
just get fucking kick the shit out of you.

486
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,319
Speaker 3: But and and shot.

487
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:56,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, what was the first half of this question?

488
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:57,440
Aside from like we.

489
00:21:57,519 --> 00:22:01,880
Speaker 1: Just like the like the background with Arthur with the

490
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,000
riots and the clown people and everything like that and

491
00:22:04,039 --> 00:22:06,279
taking his accidental message.

492
00:22:06,799 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's is it supposed to be coincidence

493
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:14,920
or just just like meant to be that the masks

494
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,839
that people are using for the riots just resembles what

495
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,079
he was wearing that night on the train when.

496
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,920
Speaker 5: He kills those three guys.

497
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:24,640
Speaker 3: No, I think it's a purpose by them.

498
00:22:24,759 --> 00:22:28,039
Speaker 2: They that description right of the killer, described as wearing

499
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:29,799
like a clown mask, and.

500
00:22:29,759 --> 00:22:31,799
Speaker 1: Everyone, I think just takes it as all this guy's

501
00:22:31,799 --> 00:22:33,599
standing up for us, and that I think there's another

502
00:22:33,599 --> 00:22:34,799
good message for today.

503
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 3: That happens a.

504
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 1: Lot where people you're putting your own ideas into something,

505
00:22:38,519 --> 00:22:41,160
but really it might not be the exact situation.

506
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,759
Speaker 5: So oh absolutely, and you have to be careful with that.

507
00:22:45,559 --> 00:22:48,400
Speaker 4: And so he even at the end when he's like

508
00:22:48,519 --> 00:22:51,920
dancing on top of the vehicle and he's just having

509
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,640
a having a good time, he's just he's not you

510
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,559
guys already highlighted. He's not doing it for them, and

511
00:22:57,599 --> 00:22:59,000
he's not doing it for the cause, like he says

512
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,720
when he's talking to Murray, He's just doing it just

513
00:23:01,759 --> 00:23:04,960
because he's starting to feel himself, he's starting to feel free.

514
00:23:05,079 --> 00:23:09,519
And he I mean, he convinced me that a part

515
00:23:09,559 --> 00:23:12,559
of him genuinely wants people to be nicer and kinder

516
00:23:13,319 --> 00:23:16,400
because he just he's just throughout the film, he's just

517
00:23:16,599 --> 00:23:21,160
constantly reoccurringly stating like oh, you know, you're so rude,

518
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,960
You're so mean, YadA, YadA, YadA, And so it's just

519
00:23:24,079 --> 00:23:25,759
him kind of against rudeness.

520
00:23:25,799 --> 00:23:26,400
Speaker 5: I feel like.

521
00:23:30,279 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 1: There's part of that, but I love that's that'd be

522
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:34,559
the pitch, like what's your pitch for joking?

523
00:23:34,759 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 3: Okay, joker against rudeness? Like okay, god, we're not funding

524
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:39,519
this movie.

525
00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 2: It was like an elementary school book or something.

526
00:23:42,599 --> 00:23:45,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly those kid versions. But uh yeah, and you

527
00:23:45,839 --> 00:23:47,519
guys said, I guess I didn't shout out either. But

528
00:23:47,519 --> 00:23:50,200
it's like it's a non factor, Like he won Golden

529
00:23:50,279 --> 00:23:52,759
he's like walking given like an old timer here.

530
00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 3: He's so goodness. Like you said, I don't see him

531
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:55,599
in this role.

532
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 1: And what I always bring up is why I don't

533
00:23:58,039 --> 00:24:00,440
know what the ratio is gonna be like in part too,

534
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,039
But I've always said that I feel like he does

535
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,720
make a real distinction that once he's in the makeup

536
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,240
and he goes down the stairs, he does feel different.

537
00:24:09,279 --> 00:24:11,640
He still feels like the Arthur we've been watching, but

538
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,400
he just feels like he has like a level of

539
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,880
confidence that he didn't have before the last He just

540
00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:19,400
lets them out a post like trying to hold them back,

541
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,720
which I always still think is like a great gimmick.

542
00:24:21,759 --> 00:24:23,720
I think I said that from the first tray we saw, like,

543
00:24:23,759 --> 00:24:26,000
I love that That's how Joker gets his laugh is

544
00:24:26,039 --> 00:24:28,559
when he feels uncomfortable, it makes him laugh. It's like, oh,

545
00:24:28,599 --> 00:24:30,799
that's just like a smart like tie to like a

546
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,279
sort of illness. Think, but the whole back half, the whole,

547
00:24:34,319 --> 00:24:37,480
and I think I like people should watch it. Where

548
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,680
Tarantino was talking about Joker, he's like, oh, like, I

549
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,759
like the movie enough, But why he says, like, at

550
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,039
least the third acts masterful is when you get to

551
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,799
walking Phoenix's Joker and he's there and you know he's

552
00:24:48,839 --> 00:24:51,960
either there to kill himself or he's probably gonna kill Murray, right,

553
00:24:52,599 --> 00:24:55,000
And the way that Phillips and the whole team, the

554
00:24:55,079 --> 00:24:57,839
Right Team and Phoenix accident says, you make it in

555
00:24:57,839 --> 00:25:00,440
a way where even if he's a little rude, you're

556
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,440
actively kind of wanting Joker to shoot Robert de Naro

557
00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:07,599
when really though he's just like a regular guy who

558
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,359
makes some jokes that probably has a wife and kids

559
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:10,880
and everything. But they do in such a good job

560
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,839
putting it from his perspective, and because he was rude,

561
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,680
even though in the middle Dannaro was talking about how

562
00:25:16,839 --> 00:25:19,319
like there's riots out there and you think it's funnyuse

563
00:25:19,319 --> 00:25:21,519
people are dead, like that's sick, but they do such

564
00:25:21,519 --> 00:25:23,759
a good job of flipping that and that. Like I

565
00:25:23,799 --> 00:25:25,720
was saying, I think Phoenix, when he's in the makeup,

566
00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:28,680
he feels like, I wouldn't say, like the joker, like

567
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,319
I want to see it against Batman, but he feels

568
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,720
like a joke or he feels like something different than

569
00:25:32,839 --> 00:25:35,160
what Arthur Fleck was. And I'm curious to see how

570
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,200
much he's in the actual makeup in the sequel and

571
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,160
if he does that again, because I do think there

572
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,119
is a difference between Arthur and the makeup and Arthur

573
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,000
not in the makeup, where I wasn't sure when we

574
00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:46,119
first saw the movie if that was going to be

575
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:47,880
the case, but I think there is a level of,

576
00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:50,839
you know, a sort of mass that comes on when

577
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:51,839
he gets that paint on.

578
00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:55,759
Speaker 2: So oh, one hundred percent, yeah, I think it's it

579
00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:01,480
feels very clear like just where he is I think

580
00:26:01,519 --> 00:26:03,319
in the story based on like when he has the

581
00:26:03,319 --> 00:26:06,160
makeup versus not it's I don't know, it just seems

582
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,119
like he's hiding behind his own like figure, like when

583
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,200
he doesn't have the makeup on, whereas when he puts

584
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,359
it on, that's when he's like superpowered and juiced. And

585
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,279
yeah no, I just just aces across the board with

586
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,480
Joaquin honestly throughout this this whole thing. But like Taylor,

587
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,079
you're shouting out his just his like his physique, I

588
00:26:26,079 --> 00:26:28,480
guess in this movie. It's just like, man, he just

589
00:26:28,519 --> 00:26:31,119
looks so he looks like he has like a dislocated

590
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,079
shoulder in this movie. And I'm like, I don't know

591
00:26:33,319 --> 00:26:35,559
what they teach in acting school to get your body

592
00:26:35,559 --> 00:26:37,640
to fucking do that or anything like that, but like

593
00:26:38,279 --> 00:26:42,880
it's just yeah, he he he sounds not well and

594
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:48,400
he looks unwell when he's on screen, and yeah, just man,

595
00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:50,599
I don't know. They just do such a good job

596
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,960
at like he does like he's a murderer. He does

597
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,720
awful things in the story, but just the direction of

598
00:26:57,759 --> 00:27:00,160
the film, like they just make it you want want

599
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,880
to feel sympathy for this character and like the people

600
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,160
that like him, right, Like they do do a good

601
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:07,400
job at making the viewer want to support the uh

602
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,240
they eat the rich movement and just like these people

603
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,160
looking down on them, and like you you mentioned Thomas

604
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,000
Wayne there Travis in your early talk, and yeah, he's

605
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,119
just totally like a like just an asshole, like right,

606
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,480
like like Arthur's like just like talking about his mother

607
00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:27,359
and all these things. He just does not care at

608
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,599
all and just has no time for it. And I'm

609
00:27:29,599 --> 00:27:32,160
not saying, like Thomas Wayne shit like owes him all

610
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,480
these things. You know, we'll we'll talk about what the

611
00:27:34,559 --> 00:27:36,720
legitimate legitimacy of all that stuff is.

612
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 3: But I don't know.

613
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 2: They do just a really good job. And you do

614
00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:44,720
kind of want to see Robert and you get shot

615
00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:47,400
in that in that sequence, because yeah, like he is

616
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,240
just kind of bringing him on here to be a bully,

617
00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:52,559
right and just just laugh at this guy and just

618
00:27:52,599 --> 00:27:56,559
take advantage of like someone with severe mental health issues

619
00:27:56,599 --> 00:27:59,119
and just like posting the video like without permission. Like

620
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:00,480
to me, it's just like how like how does that

621
00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:01,039
even happen?

622
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,839
Speaker 1: But whatever, he was an eighties though right back then

623
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,920
it wouldn't I feel like that's true like drawback, it's.

624
00:28:06,759 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 2: Just oh, it probably happened all the time, perc.

625
00:28:09,319 --> 00:28:11,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like it was wild wild West wen

626
00:28:11,079 --> 00:28:13,400
Now it's like, yeah, that would go to Twitter, you'd

627
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,519
get a bunch of shit for that. So yeah, yeah,

628
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,079
hey there, where do you want to go next?

629
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,039
Speaker 4: Oh, I wouldn't mind talking about the mum dilemma. And

630
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,240
it's this kind of went over my head, the fact

631
00:28:27,319 --> 00:28:30,440
that there was adoption papers at play here.

632
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,799
Speaker 5: Uh I did. I totally forgot about that.

633
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 4: So I'm curious, Okay, is this something that the Wayne

634
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,440
family and Alfred just spun this narrative to try and

635
00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:43,119
derail the possible truth.

636
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 5: Again, it's up to interpretation.

637
00:28:45,319 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 4: But I'm maybe leaning on the side of the fact

638
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:54,039
that Fleck is not the child of Thomas Wayne and

639
00:28:54,079 --> 00:28:56,920
that yeah, the mom was just absolutely fucking bonkers and

640
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,400
then just did adopt him.

641
00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 5: That's kind of where I stand on that.

642
00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: My prediction on this, my little to add my two

643
00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:09,880
cents to the to the top. Yeah, it's gonna get

644
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,559
spoken about in Joker too. It's gonna be a big

645
00:29:12,599 --> 00:29:16,960
talking about. Yeah, they're gonna go on, Mari, you are

646
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,000
not the father.

647
00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: Arthur fle just sitting there with the corpse of Thomas Wayne.

648
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: I I feel like, yes, he is not the blood

649
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,759
relative to Thomas Wayne or anything like that. I still

650
00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:35,400
think that there was like some sort of relation sexually

651
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,440
between the mother and Thomas Wayne, and just the fact

652
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,440
that she like signed like you know, NDA's and stuff

653
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,119
like that, like the fact that they would have even

654
00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:46,519
had to go through that process. Clearly something happened there.

655
00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:50,319
And I don't know, like I don't feel strongly that

656
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,759
he isn't like the broad relative like you could spin

657
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,039
in that direction, but I just think how the scene

658
00:29:55,079 --> 00:29:59,200
actually played out makes me think that, yeah, she's just

659
00:29:59,559 --> 00:30:04,680
totally fucked in the head. And just like when yeah,

660
00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:07,599
that moment when like the officer is just like detailing

661
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,680
like the physical abuse that like happened to like little Arthur,

662
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,039
it's just like, oh my god, Like this is I

663
00:30:13,079 --> 00:30:15,039
get it now why he's like this right. And then

664
00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:17,720
that's when you just feel awful because you're like, man,

665
00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:20,079
like this, it's not even his fault why he is

666
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,680
like this right, And like again, it's just adding to

667
00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:25,400
the I do want to root for this individual, even

668
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:30,160
though I've seen him murder people. So yeah, it's it's people.

669
00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 3: That point though.

670
00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:32,599
Speaker 1: Right at first, it's like the guys are about to

671
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,960
maybe sexually assault a woman, so I think they're smart

672
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,200
to play it off that way. And then eventually gets

673
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,279
to like you know, Murray and more innocence to come

674
00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:42,839
my image and so yeah, and I'm sure that doctor

675
00:30:42,839 --> 00:30:45,279
he killed an Arkham when he's dancing, like, I don't

676
00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:46,599
think they deserved it, you know.

677
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, probably not. But yeah, no, I I

678
00:30:50,519 --> 00:30:54,000
think I think I lost my train of thoughts all

679
00:30:54,079 --> 00:30:54,960
passed along trace.

680
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think for me.

681
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,759
Speaker 1: And this is something you'll see when we have our

682
00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:02,279
second film that I like scenarios like this where it

683
00:31:02,359 --> 00:31:04,759
is up for interpretation and there's molth ways you can

684
00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:07,079
take it, because you could look at this and go, well,

685
00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:11,799
she fantasized this whole situation about Thomas Wayne, and we

686
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,160
see Arthur fantasize the whole relationship with as he beats right,

687
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,000
that's not even real. So you can completely that string

688
00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:19,680
is there if you want to be like Tai and

689
00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:23,079
believe that, oh it's not his kid, right, because it's

690
00:31:23,119 --> 00:31:25,519
just she was crazy, maybe went out of line, maybe

691
00:31:25,559 --> 00:31:27,920
she saw something it there, who knows. But then the

692
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,000
other route is this is a guy that's a billionaire,

693
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,680
he's running for mayor. You could ease, especially in the eighties,

694
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,319
easily fudge the numbers, delete it, you know, get rid

695
00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:40,319
of a paper trail, all that jazz like like knock

696
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:42,799
someone up, like oh, we'll say he's adopted, Like there's

697
00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:44,480
so much you could do there. And I think the

698
00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:47,359
other thing that helps with that is they make Alfred,

699
00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:49,839
they make Thomas complete assholes.

700
00:31:49,319 --> 00:31:50,759
Speaker 3: And that'd be different if they're nice people.

701
00:31:50,759 --> 00:31:52,519
Speaker 1: They go, well, I don't know if I'd buy this,

702
00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:54,240
but I think because they make them so kind of

703
00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:56,920
crummy and at the same time too again on that string,

704
00:31:57,079 --> 00:32:00,279
they can make them crumby because maybe Penny Fleck, a

705
00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:02,759
fucking crazy person that was obsessed with Thomas, won leave

706
00:32:02,839 --> 00:32:05,440
alone and now you have her son, who was another

707
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,000
crazy person unfortunately had holding Bruce Wayne by the mouth,

708
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,400
and Alfred's like, fuck man, Like I thought this was

709
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,720
dealt with. So that's why I love like both ways.

710
00:32:13,839 --> 00:32:17,720
Both avenues have warrant to them. I think for me,

711
00:32:17,759 --> 00:32:20,359
I like thinking it is his dad, because one I

712
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,240
would like a version I thought we were gonna get

713
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,279
this in The Batman, we didn't. I like at least

714
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:26,480
one version of the Wayne's being shitty. I kind of

715
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,359
wish they did that with The Batman, and they kind

716
00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:31,039
of pull it back when Alfred's like, well, he didn't know,

717
00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:33,119
you know, they were gonna kill your parent, Like he

718
00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:35,799
like what he makes some deal with Carmen and foul

719
00:32:35,839 --> 00:32:37,480
Cole in the Batman. I'm not sure if you guys remember,

720
00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:38,680
and then Alfred it's like, well he didn't know I

721
00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:40,880
was gonna get that bad. It's like, okay, so was

722
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,799
it accidental? And that's what they leave that up for interpretation.

723
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,440
Not as strong as this one, i'd say, But for me,

724
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:49,680
I like this just because there's a big theme with

725
00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:51,680
his mother, but a big themes with the father as

726
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,240
far as one, he's missing a father. Two he looks

727
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,440
at Murray as a father figure. And then if Thomas

728
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,519
Wayne is also's father, he's another father figure. That's just

729
00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:02,119
complete lea a shit heel to him. So I think

730
00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:04,359
that's why I like it, because with him and Murray,

731
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,720
like sorry Thomas and Murray, it's like a good just

732
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,680
more just piling on. If he keeps finding these like

733
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,799
father figures and they keep failing him, you know, because

734
00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:16,240
if it's just like, oh, I'm not your father, then

735
00:33:16,359 --> 00:33:19,759
that's not really like on Arthur to be disappointed. It's like, oh, well,

736
00:33:19,759 --> 00:33:21,079
this guy's nothing to do with me. But That's why

737
00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:23,079
I like it better if it is his dad and

738
00:33:23,119 --> 00:33:25,680
this guy just put him to shit, and then I

739
00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:27,559
kind of like, you know, I know some people don't

740
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,279
like it as you know, you see the Waynes get

741
00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:31,559
shot again, but I kind of like that full circle

742
00:33:31,599 --> 00:33:34,480
of Okay, Thomas Wayne knocks his girl up, kicks for

743
00:33:34,599 --> 00:33:37,519
the curb, and then years later that same kid, you know,

744
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,279
starts a riot that like leads to his death, which

745
00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:42,480
some people might say it's cheesy. Maybe some people or

746
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,880
sometimes some situation I would be in this movie. It's

747
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,240
not so it's I say, Thomas is his dad, But

748
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,039
I like, I don't want there to be like an answer.

749
00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:52,960
I don't have to be like, oh, well this is

750
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,200
you know, it's not like inception with the fucking totem.

751
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,200
You know, we're talk abos trivia, like we know what

752
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,519
the totem is. Stop fucking lying everybody with this. I'm like,

753
00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:02,319
I'm glad it's kind of left up for interpretation. So

754
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:08,400
anything he's saying on zazzy beats and uh walking Phoenix,

755
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,119
I think for the little bits there and they got

756
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:12,599
good chemistry even though it's all fake, And I still

757
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:15,519
think that's like one of the more chilling scenes than

758
00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:17,599
a company just actually in film in general. That when

759
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:19,880
he goes to her place that night, Yeah, and he

760
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,000
like the whole reveal, like that's like the.

761
00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 3: Score that done done. It's like it's good. Shit, man, it's.

762
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 2: Good getting goosebumps just thinking about it. Yeah, that like

763
00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:33,639
it's funny now like watching it for a second time now,

764
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,679
Like to me, it's just like, Okay, I'm so surprised.

765
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,840
Well I'm not really surprised, but still it's just like

766
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:41,079
this is like how did I fall for this? You know,

767
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,039
like like just like with everything that's going on, like

768
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:47,079
he just like goes they start macing and like you

769
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:51,039
know he was following her, Yeah, like followed me. It's

770
00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:54,840
like yeah, and like it's just super easy. So and like, man,

771
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,960
I will fully admit I was completely like roped in

772
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,639
the first time. It's like, man, he's got this one

773
00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:02,239
pillar with him. It's like keeping him grounded. This is nice.

774
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,519
Maybe there's some potential of him having a happy life.

775
00:35:04,519 --> 00:35:07,760
And then yeah, when that scene happens, like to get

776
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,880
that reveal, like it just like shook me. I was like,

777
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,480
oh my god, that is just insane. And then they

778
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,360
show everything from the comedy like everything that he just

779
00:35:16,519 --> 00:35:21,039
was imagining in his mind. And yeah, so I I

780
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:23,679
loved it, and you know, like the first time around,

781
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,800
the second time around it a little bit harder to

782
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,280
like believe because I've seen that trick. But it's also

783
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,039
it's like, well, fuck, I fell for it so easily

784
00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:34,840
the first time around, Like I can't just yeah, well,

785
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,199
I can't just say that, like, oh, it's so hard

786
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,800
to believe that, you know, because like I fully ate

787
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,519
into it. But no, I did really like her inclusion

788
00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:46,800
in it, and as you stated, like they do have

789
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,159
good on screen fake chemistry, well real fake chemistry, I guess,

790
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,840
but uh yeah, I liked also how like in reality

791
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,519
she isn't even really like a part of the bit

792
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:02,559
like she is it's just like almost an extra level character, yes,

793
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:08,000
but like for in his imaginary world, she's she's a

794
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,159
lot more of a side character, or just more of

795
00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:12,840
an important side character maybe. So yeah, no, I'm I

796
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:13,719
think it's fantastic.

797
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,679
Speaker 1: Kirklan said he got goose bums this Kirkland. At anytime, a

798
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,559
joker's about on Invada Woman's house.

799
00:36:18,639 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 3: Just as sure as a rock is covered in chills already.

800
00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: Jesus right go, but I just left how they f

801
00:36:26,599 --> 00:36:28,920
ent from her perspective of imagine, if you were just

802
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,159
anigh or you walk in in this name, that's a

803
00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:33,320
little awful. You just walked in your home and he's

804
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:34,840
just sitting there, and he turns back and just that

805
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,239
look walking has he just puts a gun head He

806
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,440
would think. I don't know if this meme existed when

807
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,719
this movie came out, but that's a full It's over

808
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,239
for you in the moment right there. If a guy

809
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,519
turns you with a gun news that it's like and

810
00:36:48,599 --> 00:36:50,800
again I like that they leave that ambiguous.

811
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,199
Speaker 3: You don't know what happened in that room. You don't

812
00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:52,880
know if he just left.

813
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,559
Speaker 1: You don't know if he killed somebody, because people point

814
00:36:55,559 --> 00:36:57,119
out that right after you hear like a sound of

815
00:36:57,159 --> 00:37:00,639
an ambulance. But like I think one of them up

816
00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:02,360
said like, no, no, that doesn't happen. But in the

817
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,800
movie they sure don't show us that character ever again,

818
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,280
so it's like they definitely whatever they want to say,

819
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,519
they leave it up for interpretation. So I think another

820
00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:15,039
another good choice. So Kirkland or sorry Teya was mass

821
00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:16,639
in doing that too, and you ate all our ice

822
00:37:16,639 --> 00:37:18,000
Cream Watch.

823
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

824
00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:24,599
Speaker 4: I still think that to this day. It's just Yeah,

825
00:37:24,639 --> 00:37:27,840
one of the most craziest revelations. Just when he's like

826
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,840
he said, Travis, he's sitting in that apartment on the

827
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,119
on the couch, and you think, oh, he's just he

828
00:37:32,159 --> 00:37:36,760
went to her apartment. It's yeah, like it's just fuck,

829
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,880
it's fucking crazy. She comes out screaming and you're like, oh,

830
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,960
you live down the hall and this that sets in

831
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,960
that revelation, it's like, oh my god, like how much

832
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,239
of this whole movie has been only in his head?

833
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,880
Like what's what's real and what's fake. So they do

834
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,000
a fantastic job and she's great. I I even though

835
00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:56,559
they're all in his mind scenes and them together, I

836
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,639
liked their chemistry and I liked them together. I think

837
00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:02,199
they had a lot of fun. But I remember looking

838
00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:04,320
into it, I think that there was like Todd Phillips

839
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,039
did have more scenes with her, and that's maybe touching

840
00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:08,840
into like the trivia part, but I think he did

841
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,239
confirm them No, she is alive.

842
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,599
Speaker 1: He did, but he cut the scene that day because

843
00:38:12,639 --> 00:38:14,880
at one point they show her watching the Murray Show.

844
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,719
This all go down, but he cut it, and I

845
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:17,199
think they.

846
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 3: I think they were smart cuts.

847
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,639
Speaker 1: So he in his mind he might have it, and

848
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,639
I do have it too because I think at that

849
00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:26,039
point Arthur wouldn't do that. I think you get to

850
00:38:26,199 --> 00:38:29,239
Arthur once he gets the makeup on. That's a different story.

851
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:30,599
But I think to me, that's the point of the

852
00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:32,840
movie where there's you're showing in this joke or you're

853
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:37,360
showing stages of Okay, he did kills some dirt bags, right, Okay,

854
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,199
he kills a guy that maybe was an asshole to

855
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,920
at where gave him a gun, but really they deserve that,

856
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:42,679
they deserve.

857
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 3: His eye socket like stabbed.

858
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,079
Speaker 1: I don't know, but still say, Okay, you're getting worse

859
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:48,800
and worse and worse and then two or sorry, like

860
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,320
kind of better better better as far as like shitty criminals,

861
00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:56,000
bad guy at work, radio show hosts or talk show hosts.

862
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,800
That's where it's like, maybe the next time if he

863
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,719
did see Zazie Beach, she might not make it out alive. Right,

864
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,519
same thing with Gary, like he nicely lets her out.

865
00:39:03,559 --> 00:39:05,960
So to me, I don't think he did anything, but

866
00:39:06,679 --> 00:39:08,480
you know, again you don't see him again, so you

867
00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:13,760
never know, So anywhere else to go specifically that we

868
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,800
haven't talked about yet.

869
00:39:16,199 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 2: Uh you mentioned the laugh. That's yeah, just such a

870
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,239
chilling aspect of this movie. And it's just like, I

871
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,639
don't know, I I just feel like it's a perfect

872
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,119
way to have the laugh in this universe of the

873
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:34,719
Joker and just just his delivery of every like every

874
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:39,320
time it happens. I absolutely love when he's in his

875
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,880
his clown dressing room and Buddy like says that joke

876
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,039
and then he just like bursts out laughing and walking

877
00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:47,840
turns the corner and he's just like like completely straight

878
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,159
faced and it's like, Okay, this guy, this guy's got

879
00:39:51,159 --> 00:39:54,159
a couple of screwed loose. But yeah, I know it's

880
00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:57,559
I don't know, it's just more of Walking being fucking

881
00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:00,920
phenomenal of just just the delivery of every thing on that.

882
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: And again in that moment you brought up, though, I

883
00:40:03,039 --> 00:40:05,000
don't think he actually laughs. I think it's because he's

884
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,880
because they make like a short joke about Gary, and

885
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,239
I think he's just uncomfortable so he laughs. That's when

886
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,559
he walks away and he's had a situation, he stops laughing.

887
00:40:14,599 --> 00:40:16,199
So I think it's that again where it's just like

888
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,159
he because he's not making any like Gary Short jokes

889
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:19,679
or anything.

890
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 3: And yeah, just a don't know whoever came up with

891
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,719
that idea, but a great way. And uh, you know,

892
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:25,599
even the scene on.

893
00:40:25,559 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: The bus with like like you just imagine if you

894
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,199
had that condition, it would it would be awful. As

895
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,719
far as he's playing with this kid, this mom just

896
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,239
is kind of like a complete assolet leave my son alone.

897
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,559
But then because he's nervous, he starts to laugh, and

898
00:40:38,599 --> 00:40:40,800
then the more people look at him as laughter goes on,

899
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,960
he has to hand this card. Like I think the

900
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,239
first asterod does a great job of showing you like

901
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,800
if you had these things going in your life, like yeah,

902
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,039
you would develop some issues with yourself because you're just

903
00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:54,440
constantly being looked down upon and it's can't be can't

904
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:55,519
be easy.

905
00:40:56,519 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 2: The sequence when he goes to the comedy show and

906
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,519
he's just like trying to get like inspiration, it just

907
00:41:01,559 --> 00:41:06,719
seemed like like he his part of me, his Oh

908
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,480
my god, his level of humor is just so disjointed

909
00:41:09,519 --> 00:41:12,519
with like what is actually funny, Like he's just completely

910
00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:13,880
off everyone else's.

911
00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: Where I just don't know if he's laugh like he

912
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,320
thinks other people are gonna laugh, and they don't laugh,

913
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:19,679
but he's the only one because the oh there's times

914
00:41:19,679 --> 00:41:22,280
where that come he in saying lines that there's it's

915
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,039
just like the setup stuff and he's just by.

916
00:41:26,159 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 3: And everyone's just like quiet. It's it's so good.

917
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,519
Speaker 1: And again, speaking of colmy stuff, I know it's his set,

918
00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:34,559
but I think they do such a good job of

919
00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:35,360
again who knows.

920
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 3: I guess it is real because he's there. We don't

921
00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:37,719
says he beats not.

922
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 1: But I think they do such a good job of Man,

923
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,400
that is just awkward as fuck. You feel like you're

924
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,719
in the crowd and you're watching some comedian just eat it.

925
00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:46,800
And he starts to flip through his book and just

926
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,360
like has fucking nude photos of women. You're just like,

927
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,920
oh my god, Arthur, like that me that meme of

928
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:54,880
him with the book, like it's there for a reason

929
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,159
because that scene is just that is like it's skin

930
00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:59,360
crawling just to see.

931
00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:00,559
Speaker 3: This person up there just trying.

932
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: And then, like I said later on Murray's fucking railroads

933
00:42:03,519 --> 00:42:05,960
the force because he feels like even worse about that

934
00:42:06,039 --> 00:42:09,880
because what sucks in his mind, he distorted that to

935
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,880
be like a good memory, right, he looks up sees

936
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,280
as he beats, and then the.

937
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,559
Speaker 3: Crowd is like laughing. I don't think they're actually laughing

938
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:15,880
with him.

939
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,159
Speaker 1: But he takes it and this probably awful thing that's

940
00:42:19,159 --> 00:42:21,800
happening makes it into a good memory. But then Murray

941
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,280
like takes it away from him, like almost brings them

942
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,639
back to reality of like, oh that good thing you imagined,

943
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:27,639
Yeah it's not real.

944
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:28,679
Speaker 3: You're a fucking loser.

945
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,039
Speaker 1: But yeah, that scene is great, scene of him just

946
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:37,280
flipping through his pages. So I think on the the

947
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:43,199
we're talking about some of his comedy first Yeah.

948
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, his uh like his first ah you know someone

949
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,039
someone I'm sure loves his jokes, not really me. I

950
00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:55,440
think when he first is showcasing his book when he's

951
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,480
in that session with his therapist and it's like, you

952
00:42:58,519 --> 00:43:00,320
don't bring the book and I see it and she

953
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,480
opens it up and it's just it doesn't look like

954
00:43:03,519 --> 00:43:04,559
it's a healthy.

955
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:07,519
Speaker 5: A healthy situation.

956
00:43:08,159 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 4: And what is the thing that she says, I look

957
00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:16,679
like I look forward to dying because then my my

958
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,119
life I can't know.

959
00:43:19,199 --> 00:43:24,679
Speaker 3: It's yeah, the joke is like, uh like my life.

960
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,599
Speaker 1: It's like my life doesn't make sense if I die.

961
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,519
It's it's it's it's.

962
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 2: I hope I make more sense or I hope my

963
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,639
life makes more sense after I die, Like.

964
00:43:36,559 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: The doll, like the dollar, Yeah exactly, which is you know,

965
00:43:39,679 --> 00:43:42,599
kind of a fun prelude to what's gonna happen so.

966
00:43:43,039 --> 00:43:46,119
Speaker 4: M and so like I I think, yeah, it's got

967
00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:49,880
a little interesting little foreshadow, I guess, And yeah, it's

968
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,719
just what segues into that club scene and him just

969
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,480
with his book and all the crazy shit he's got

970
00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:58,480
in there. It's just it's it's bonkers. It really really

971
00:43:58,559 --> 00:44:03,079
is bonkers. But but you remind me so the whole

972
00:44:03,159 --> 00:44:03,760
set up with.

973
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,679
Speaker 5: I guess not that therapist.

974
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 2: But.

975
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: I know she's the same therapist throughout, like the one

976
00:44:12,519 --> 00:44:14,440
that kicks him in the curb later, she's not the one.

977
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 3: To the end that gets murdered.

978
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a different one. Yeah, because I thought

979
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,519
there was. I thought there was.

980
00:44:19,519 --> 00:44:23,519
Speaker 4: A discussion about when those sessions were taking place.

981
00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:26,039
Speaker 5: But I guess that's because I thought.

982
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 4: There was something about like maybe the him talking to

983
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,679
was it at the end when she's he's talking to

984
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:39,480
the end therapist and that's actually like, ah, are you.

985
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 3: Trying to say that the whole movie is like a

986
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:41,920
dream that sort of thing.

987
00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:45,079
Speaker 4: No, not a dream alow, but I feel like he's

988
00:44:45,159 --> 00:44:48,280
just like recounting the events and like, again, its just

989
00:44:48,519 --> 00:44:51,599
sit in hand with how he imagines these things in

990
00:44:51,639 --> 00:44:53,719
a certain way, right, Like he likes to paint the

991
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,119
picture like, oh, this is actually a happy memory for himself,

992
00:44:57,159 --> 00:45:00,320
and I feel like this is its tribulations for but

993
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,400
it does end in a happy sort of way for him.

994
00:45:02,679 --> 00:45:04,000
And even at the end when he's like, you know,

995
00:45:04,039 --> 00:45:06,400
you wouldn't get it. And I just feel like that

996
00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:10,519
was one of the interpretations and discussions of him and

997
00:45:10,599 --> 00:45:14,119
just how they did this this setup of his narrative,

998
00:45:14,119 --> 00:45:14,880
if that makes sense.

999
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:16,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's why there's a lot of people that

1000
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,599
don't like the sequel idea, because there's some people that

1001
00:45:18,679 --> 00:45:20,639
like the idea like it's all dream or all story,

1002
00:45:20,639 --> 00:45:23,320
because they have that moment when he's talking to the

1003
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,480
first therapist that won the sessions, he said, oh, I

1004
00:45:25,519 --> 00:45:28,800
was more happier when I was like in Arkham or institute, right,

1005
00:45:29,039 --> 00:45:30,519
And they just do a quick cut to him like

1006
00:45:30,599 --> 00:45:33,400
banging his head against the glass, but he's wearing like

1007
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,000
the exact same outfit he is at the end of

1008
00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:38,079
the movie. So some people like to speculate like, oh, yeah,

1009
00:45:38,119 --> 00:45:40,519
it is just all like a thing. I never liked that.

1010
00:45:41,079 --> 00:45:43,639
I don't mind certain segments of it's a dreamer made up.

1011
00:45:43,679 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 3: I don't the whole movie.

1012
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,679
Speaker 1: Being a dreamer a scenario is kind of is a

1013
00:45:47,679 --> 00:45:52,760
tough situation. But no, again, I like that they have

1014
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,760
that stuff in there, and I do like another moment

1015
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,840
in the very first session, she gets that book and

1016
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:58,960
she wants to look at and he's.

1017
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 3: Like, oh, I you know I'm gonna I'm gonna pursue

1018
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,039
a career in stand up comedy.

1019
00:46:04,119 --> 00:46:06,119
Speaker 1: And she's like, oh yeah, I didn't know that. He's like, yeah,

1020
00:46:06,159 --> 00:46:07,519
you did. We've talked about it.

1021
00:46:07,679 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 3: But that's why I like.

1022
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: It's like, well, again, is she just a shit person

1023
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,920
that doesn't really care about him? Or in his mind,

1024
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,639
has he had this conversation with her about being a

1025
00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:18,480
stand up comedian but she was not present because it's

1026
00:46:18,519 --> 00:46:20,880
in his fucking mind that But he's like kind of

1027
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,440
offended by it, Like he's not he's not outwardly angry,

1028
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,360
but just kind of quiet. And it's just a great

1029
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:32,519
choice by walking in there. So anything else specifically before

1030
00:46:32,519 --> 00:46:40,000
were going to trivia and some ratings.

1031
00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't think anything really specific

1032
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,719
that we didn't cover. Terrible idea to bring a gun

1033
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,239
to a child's hospital.

1034
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 3: It's part of his act though, correct.

1035
00:46:53,039 --> 00:46:56,639
Speaker 2: That's definitely definitely fireable offense. I think, you know, all

1036
00:46:56,679 --> 00:46:59,159
things considered, I think his boss, you know, he gave

1037
00:46:59,199 --> 00:47:03,159
it like first instance happened, and then you know, the

1038
00:47:03,559 --> 00:47:06,599
gun like okay, yeah, a couple of warnings. Now he's

1039
00:47:06,679 --> 00:47:07,480
he's he's gone.

1040
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:09,119
Speaker 3: And I love that too.

1041
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:12,039
Speaker 1: When he's just talking, he's like going off about you know,

1042
00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:13,239
the sign everything.

1043
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 3: And then it fades the music and Arthur just saying that,

1044
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:16,920
like he just.

1045
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: Looks so fucking creepy. He's just like he looks like

1046
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,480
he wants to break down and cry. And then the

1047
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,440
smash cuts him the like the alleyway, like kicking the

1048
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,199
ship in the garbage and everything. But he's just like

1049
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,360
trying to stay composed and such a good moment there, but.

1050
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 2: A little two when he's leaving the office, like oh,

1051
00:47:32,159 --> 00:47:33,199
forgot to punch out.

1052
00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 3: If someone did that nowadays, i'd be like, I'm quitting.

1053
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:39,880
This guy's coming back and.

1054
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 2: We're fuck it's just Dane Cook's kid.

1055
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:44,599
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1056
00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:47,679
Speaker 1: Oh I love your Google, your Jubilee fans or whatever

1057
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,920
they are. But yeah, it's that he's like fucking spray paints.

1058
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,880
Don't smile. You'd be like, yeah, it's over for us,

1059
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,840
you know. So uh and then just a quick shout

1060
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,800
out for me because it's on my notes. I always

1061
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,440
love the uh the music drop of white Room by

1062
00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:04,159
Cream when he's in the like the Police Wagon at

1063
00:48:04,199 --> 00:48:06,719
the end. Everything, just love it with the ending, the scene,

1064
00:48:07,079 --> 00:48:07,880
the score.

1065
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 3: Good stuff. But yeah, white Room is a favorite of mine.

1066
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 2: So music's great in this movie.

1067
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:14,559
Speaker 1: It is.

1068
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1069
00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: Plaite is in the second Okay, Walking Phoenix called perfecting

1070
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,360
the Joker's laugh the toughest part of playing the character.

1071
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,039
He based laughed on videos of people suffering from pathological laughter.

1072
00:48:25,519 --> 00:48:27,400
He also sought out to portray a character in which

1073
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,519
the audiences could not identify. Pathological laughter is a real

1074
00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:36,280
life disorder which causes the patient stuffer from uncontrollable laughter

1075
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,480
attack in response to tents or stressful situations. Although the

1076
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:44,840
disorder isn't usual, these attacks can stop the normal flux

1077
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:49,599
of oxygen to the brain and lungs, causing hypother or

1078
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:57,159
no hyperventilating, No hypo, hypo hyposia. I don't think I've

1079
00:48:57,159 --> 00:48:58,039
ever said this word.

1080
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:03,599
Speaker 3: It's hypo and x I a hypoxia, hypoxia. Yeah, I've

1081
00:49:03,639 --> 00:49:04,440
never fucking.

1082
00:49:04,199 --> 00:49:06,079
Speaker 2: Since likeox or something like that.

1083
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 3: Well, there you go.

1084
00:49:07,159 --> 00:49:08,679
Speaker 2: She said that word once or twice.

1085
00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:11,679
Speaker 3: It could cause that, so you know, some damage along

1086
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:12,039
the way.

1087
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: We've talked about this in many weeks, but just in

1088
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,519
case someone listens to this and a bottle, first RATEDAR

1089
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:20,079
film to ever cross a billion, So there you go.

1090
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,079
Walking said he lost about fifty two pounds for this role.

1091
00:49:25,559 --> 00:49:27,960
He talked about the conception of the Joker change during

1092
00:49:28,039 --> 00:49:30,400
production and what interested him about the character. Throughout the

1093
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,239
course of shooting, it felt like every day we were

1094
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,800
discovering new parts of his personality. Up until the very

1095
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,960
last day, it was a struggle for him to find

1096
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,960
happiness and feel connected to and to feel connected, to

1097
00:49:41,119 --> 00:49:43,400
feel warm and love, a part of character I was

1098
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,400
so interested in. He was so many different things to me.

1099
00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:47,840
Who he was in the first few weeks of shooting

1100
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,760
was completely different than who he was at the end.

1101
00:49:50,039 --> 00:49:52,079
He constantly was evolving. I never had experienced like this

1102
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,480
more unpredictable and loocier we left it.

1103
00:49:54,679 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 3: It was more exciting.

1104
00:49:55,519 --> 00:49:59,159
Speaker 1: So and again something with a movie pointing this out.

1105
00:49:59,199 --> 00:50:01,559
Costing fifty five billion, this is the least expensive film

1106
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:04,119
to ever gross a billion dollars. So easy, I think probably.

1107
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,280
I don't know the list of moth profile films ever,

1108
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,559
but this has to be up there. But again, stuff

1109
00:50:08,599 --> 00:50:10,519
that you can kind of do in a smaller way

1110
00:50:10,639 --> 00:50:13,400
is maybe change some sort of arcs or many things

1111
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:17,119
to do with it. But I let's see here, Walking

1112
00:50:17,559 --> 00:50:19,800
unexpectedly shed in a tier during the first take when

1113
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,079
his character looked to the mirror, Todd Phillips kept it

1114
00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:26,119
in Walking. Todd Phillips said he played the film's score

1115
00:50:26,159 --> 00:50:28,400
for Walking because he won the music to effect and

1116
00:50:28,639 --> 00:50:31,400
infect in a set in a way during the first

1117
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,079
take the score is playing. Films revealed that Walking is

1118
00:50:34,119 --> 00:50:36,840
struggling with Arthur's smile a little tear peers. We just

1119
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,639
had that scene and we moved on. I had something else.

1120
00:50:39,679 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1121
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,199
Speaker 1: Taking a page from Sergia Leone, Todd Phillips as composer

1122
00:50:43,639 --> 00:50:46,920
to write the score before filming, something that's usually unusual

1123
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:47,519
in Hollywood.

1124
00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 3: This was in order to set the mood for the movie.

1125
00:50:49,639 --> 00:50:51,760
Speaker 1: And I think also we had got that when we

1126
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,519
got I think some early teasers and they released it stuff.

1127
00:50:55,519 --> 00:50:57,920
But I think that really helps for this movie because

1128
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,159
I do think a lot of that score is such

1129
00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:02,639
smooth sitting, whether it's the action stuff, whether it's especially

1130
00:51:02,679 --> 00:51:05,920
the bathroom dance scene, like it has a tone. So

1131
00:51:06,039 --> 00:51:08,199
I think that was a very smart thing to do there.

1132
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,440
Walking Phoenix is now the second actor win Academy Award

1133
00:51:11,519 --> 00:51:14,119
for playing the Joker, off the previous winner, Keith Fledgcher.

1134
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,039
This is the second time ever when two different actors

1135
00:51:17,079 --> 00:51:19,199
have won an Oscar for playing the same character in

1136
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,400
different films. The first time happened was Marlon Brando won

1137
00:51:22,519 --> 00:51:25,119
Oscar for playing Vito Corlone and The Godfather, and two

1138
00:51:25,159 --> 00:51:27,639
years later Robert Denaro also won the Oscar for playing

1139
00:51:27,639 --> 00:51:30,440
the same character and Godfather Part two. So there's only

1140
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,760
been two people Vito and Joker two characters that have

1141
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:37,519
done that. Walking Phoenix was considered to play Batman and

1142
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:41,159
Darren Aaron Offi's canceled Batman project of Batman Here One

1143
00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:44,159
and Night Out, and I canceled two thousand versions of

1144
00:51:44,199 --> 00:51:47,199
The Watchmen, so and I think he fits better here

1145
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:52,320
than like there. I think men in Hollywood. This would

1146
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:53,320
be like a fun cast to do.

1147
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 3: One time.

1148
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: You can divide them literally between batman and joker, like

1149
00:51:58,039 --> 00:52:00,559
you could look and see, you know, show pure actor.

1150
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,000
Is that a Batman or joker? Click and going away?

1151
00:52:03,039 --> 00:52:04,760
And to me when you show a picture of walking Phoenix,

1152
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,320
he before he's like, that's a joker. That's not a Batman,

1153
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,559
you know, And I think, I'm glad I know those

1154
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:12,840
movies happening got this And then finally, originally Warner Brothers

1155
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,159
wanted Martin Scorre says he to direct the film with

1156
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,800
Leonardo Dicapri stars Arthur which you can go back. There

1157
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,119
is a trust told that's what's about doing these. There's

1158
00:52:20,159 --> 00:52:22,480
a when I used to do thought Bubbles, there was

1159
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,800
an episode where I talked about this rumor and at

1160
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,480
the time Robern Air was gonna play Murray Franklin. However,

1161
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:33,199
this did not was not logistically possible, as Danara or

1162
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,760
DiCaprio was filming Once upon a Time in Hollywood and

1163
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,800
was just start filming at the same time. Schurz says

1164
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,639
he had also commit himself to The Irishman, but However,

1165
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,480
d Naro had just finished filming his scenes for that film,

1166
00:52:43,519 --> 00:52:45,079
and by time this film in a production, he was

1167
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:45,679
able to shoot.

1168
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 3: So there was a concept.

1169
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,559
Speaker 1: And I remember that was the first rumor that Martin

1170
00:52:50,639 --> 00:52:53,239
squarre says he was directing this, and it was big

1171
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,000
because he had said some comic book you know, comments

1172
00:52:56,039 --> 00:52:59,159
that people didn't like it da But yeah, I don't know.

1173
00:52:59,559 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 3: It's funny because he was talked about this.

1174
00:53:02,159 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: Snyder said he had a conversation about Leo uh doing

1175
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:08,960
Lex Luthor. So it's funny where he's told Shalme, like, hey,

1176
00:53:09,079 --> 00:53:11,639
never do a com book movie. But like in last

1177
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ten years he's had discussions always villains, supposedly, but like

1178
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,440
multiple times, Like I don't know, I don't think it's

1179
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gonna happen, but like he is one.

1180
00:53:20,119 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 3: Of the last like holdouts as far as big actors

1181
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than ever do.

1182
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: And I always I'm always curious that they're ever gonna

1183
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,079
get him or Tom Cruise to do one of these

1184
00:53:27,159 --> 00:53:29,559
and you know, and again I could see this being

1185
00:53:29,639 --> 00:53:32,440
his role, but I think this type of character, Like

1186
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,719
I'm not saying Walking's better actor than Phoenix. I'm just

1187
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,559
saying that I feel like the strengths of this role

1188
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,119
are more walking coded, you know, Like I just feel,

1189
00:53:43,159 --> 00:53:45,400
in my opinion, it's like with Leo have done.

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Speaker 2: He said, you said Joaquin is a better actor than Phoenix.

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00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 3: Oh. I I'm not trying to say Walkin is a

1192
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,000
better actor than Leo.

1193
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: I think that's also an interesting conversation had because I

1194
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,119
think I think I've I leaned towards Woking. But still

1195
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I think they've had many great roles over the years.

1196
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:02,960
But I also don't know what Leo have done this

1197
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loss of fifty two towns and the body stuff.

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00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 3: I really don't know. We're walking. He kind of gets

1199
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in that stuff.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not saying, Listen, if they were to announced, hey,

1201
00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:14,599
Jim's Guns Universe, Leo's a joke, I'm like, hey, that's

1202
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:15,800
it's gonna be fucking great.

1203
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 3: But I think it's like a different type of.

1204
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Speaker 2: Grace, like Scorsese is the director.

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00:54:20,599 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: Yeah they kick any with shety out, Yeah, they just

1206
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,760
do this again. But again I think Leo like this

1207
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type of Arthur Refleck that they gave Walking. I don't

1208
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,000
know if this would have been like up Leo's Ali

1209
00:54:32,119 --> 00:54:34,280
per se, right, So I think it all all worked

1210
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:35,679
out for the best, so would.

1211
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Speaker 2: Have been lesser I think, but judge right, So what

1212
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if Sitnario exactly so?

1213
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Speaker 3: And then what you switch out? You get Walking And

1214
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here's the same thing.

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Speaker 1: I may there's a version of that, but if you

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were to put Walking once upon a Time in Hollywood,

1217
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I would also go, No, I think Leo's better there,

1218
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Like that's the thing where in that situation go no, Leah,

1219
00:54:53,159 --> 00:54:57,679
Leo is like he's a not Cliff but Rick Dalton

1220
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Like no, that, like you know, it's just type of roles.

1221
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Speaker 3: So I already went.

1222
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Speaker 1: I gave this ten back in twenty eighteen, given it again.

1223
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,559
It's uh yeah, still love this movie after five years.

1224
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Excited for the sequel, and like I said, I hope

1225
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it's like at least like an a ten.

1226
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Speaker 3: I hope to enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: I hope not to walk away bummed out. But either

1228
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way it won't affect this one. I don't think.

1229
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Speaker 2: For me, I am gonna remain with a solid ten

1230
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and ten on my feelings of this movie. Doesn't make

1231
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,559
me feel great, doesn't mean the movie's not great, but yeah, no,

1232
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movies should strike some emotion, I think, uh and just yeah,

1233
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and this one hits multiple throughout and Joaquin's just stellar.

1234
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And I will say the score I appreciated a lot

1235
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more this second time around. I you know, if I

1236
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go through a movie and I don't, I don't necessarily

1237
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like pick out the score. I don't. I don't think

1238
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it's a bad thing, because I do think that it

1239
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should blend together with the overall just experience of everything

1240
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that's happening. But this time around, it just it stood

1241
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out a lot more. I think it ties back to

1242
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what I was saying, how like, this was a lot

1243
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,960
more of a It wasn't a musical, but it felt

1244
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more musical. It just felt more of a musical than

1245
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maybe I was expecting it to be. So Yeah, no,

1246
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good good times, not good times. It's good movie, not

1247
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great times.

1248
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Speaker 3: Good times.

1249
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Speaker 4: Yeah, this film it holds up every step of the way.

1250
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I'm dropping the ten ten on it. It's fantastic. I

1251
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love this movie.

1252
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Speaker 5: It's great.

1253
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:38,039
Speaker 4: It's something that I'm glad that we did the retro

1254
00:56:38,199 --> 00:56:43,239
for it and we watched it, and anticipation for the Filiadia,

1255
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especially because Yeah, there's definitely development with this character that

1256
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it's good to kind of be reminded of and just

1257
00:56:49,039 --> 00:56:50,639
to kind of re immerse yourself in this world and

1258
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what's going on. For example, it totally went over my

1259
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,840
head when Lady Gaga or Harley Quinn did her like

1260
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her head gun thing, and then.

1261
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Speaker 5: That's obviously you guys talked about it with.

1262
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Speaker 4: Arthur Flex fake relationship girl doing that in the hallway.

1263
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So just I'm just excited to see how many different

1264
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,880
little callbacks and little nods that they do. But yeah,

1265
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I think that this movie is wonderful. It's it's just

1266
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:23,559
such a such an unexpected story that who would have

1267
00:57:23,599 --> 00:57:25,280
thought that they would have needed it something based on

1268
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The Joker. So I'm I'm definitely stoked to see the

1269
00:57:29,039 --> 00:57:31,039
sequel and I'm stoked to revisit this film and watch

1270
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it again in the future.

1271
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well there you go. Like they said, stay tuned

1272
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next week, we will be reviewing Joker. Fully I do.

1273
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: I think it's no matter what, going to be an

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interesting review and I can't wait to get there.

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Speaker 3: And I promise you it'll not be boring.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye bye