WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:04.480 Today, I'm always watching. We're talking about Lanterns. That's see 2 00:00:04.519 --> 00:00:07.480 season one or the only season I don't know, Lanterns 3 00:00:07.480 --> 00:00:22.800 episode two right for this. Welcome to Always Watching the 4 00:00:22.800 --> 00:00:24.839 Strain of Pit podcast, where we talk about whatever geeky 5 00:00:24.879 --> 00:00:27.559 TV shows we feel like talking about. My name's Matthew. 6 00:00:27.199 --> 00:00:29.320 Carroll and I'm Jay Scotty Saint Clair. 7 00:00:30.160 --> 00:00:31.079 What's up, Scoots? 8 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:36.520 Oh, not too much. Just enjoyed another episode of Lanterns. 9 00:00:36.759 --> 00:00:39.119 How you doing? What do you think? Oh? Man? 10 00:00:39.159 --> 00:00:42.560 You know, I liked it. I felt like it kind 11 00:00:42.640 --> 00:00:45.119 of found its voice a little more in this episode 12 00:00:45.159 --> 00:00:47.520 than the first one. I was a little complaining about 13 00:00:47.520 --> 00:00:49.719 the vibe of the first one, and this felt a 14 00:00:49.719 --> 00:00:52.759 little more like they were for one thing and this 15 00:00:52.960 --> 00:00:55.640 was I think deliberate. We talked a lot about John 16 00:00:56.600 --> 00:01:01.439 and how he is not expressing himself, and in this episode, 17 00:01:01.560 --> 00:01:04.319 starting out with how Jordan tossing ice in his face 18 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:06.920 or like water, water, water in his face, cold water 19 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:09.760 on him, and then a few minutes later he's like, 20 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:12.200 quit it with the sir stuff. I know you don't 21 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:16.400 mean it. Like hal seems like he's actually trying to 22 00:01:16.439 --> 00:01:18.200 get him to express himself, which I think which I 23 00:01:18.200 --> 00:01:21.680 found interesting. It's like Hal sees through his bullshit kind 24 00:01:21.719 --> 00:01:24.840 of He's like, you keep acting like chain of command 25 00:01:24.879 --> 00:01:27.560 blah blah. I yes, sir, I won't do any you know, 26 00:01:28.200 --> 00:01:30.519 I don't question you, sir. But he's like, clearly you 27 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:33.439 do like be yourself and like it's it's it's almost 28 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:35.879 becoming part of the training that Hall's pushing him towards, 29 00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:37.519 which I thought was interesting. 30 00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:41.079 Yeah, I agree with that in the in terms of 31 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:43.719 like thinking back on the pilot, I enjoyed it a lot, 32 00:01:43.760 --> 00:01:45.319 and I know you did too, but I think I was. 33 00:01:45.400 --> 00:01:46.920 I was a little higher on it as we were 34 00:01:46.920 --> 00:01:50.120 talking about the episode. But I think there is an 35 00:01:50.200 --> 00:01:53.000 argument to be made that the first episode was kind 36 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:54.760 of finding its footing a little bit, and then I 37 00:01:54.760 --> 00:01:57.519 felt like there was just a a stronger kind of 38 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:01.040 like tone and consistency and kind of confidence, Like it 39 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:03.359 felt like they found their footing in this episode. Yeah. 40 00:02:03.480 --> 00:02:06.439 What I was kind of impressed by is like, again, 41 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:08.800 when you have a kind of set up like this 42 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:11.000 where it is like the buddy cop thing but they 43 00:02:11.039 --> 00:02:13.680 don't really get along that well, having them both be 44 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:17.000 kind of like equal protagonists and have this sense of 45 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:19.520 agency and I'm really interested in what both of them 46 00:02:19.560 --> 00:02:21.879 are doing at this point. Yeah, I think John has 47 00:02:21.879 --> 00:02:24.240 made like strides in just an episode, just you know, 48 00:02:24.280 --> 00:02:25.919 being able to kind of do his own thing and 49 00:02:25.960 --> 00:02:29.639 have not have to be so subservient. But all of 50 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:31.639 that said, I did kind of there was a conceit 51 00:02:31.719 --> 00:02:33.439 that I kind of had to, you know, wrap my 52 00:02:33.479 --> 00:02:35.400 head around, and by the end of the episode, I 53 00:02:35.439 --> 00:02:38.360 was kind of satisfied. But it did just kind of 54 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:41.759 strike me that, like the fact that John is being 55 00:02:41.840 --> 00:02:44.039 sent off on this kind of like side quest, like 56 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:47.120 go get my things, go fetch my things. It just 57 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:50.319 felt like, I know this this hol is not at 58 00:02:50.319 --> 00:02:52.479 the top of his game. He's a little rusty, a 59 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:54.919 little rugged, a little worse for the wear. But it 60 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:59.319 just felt uncharacteristically like unprepared not to bring the thing 61 00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:01.520 that charges your ring with you, like at all times. 62 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:03.199 You've been doing it a long long enough you would 63 00:03:03.199 --> 00:03:05.520 think he would have that with you in any in 64 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:09.560 any scenario. But when John had that conversation with Zoe 65 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:12.599 like you know what's going on with your white man? 66 00:03:12.639 --> 00:03:14.240 You know what's your white man got you doing? I 67 00:03:14.240 --> 00:03:17.639 was like, Okay, Now, the fact that it was effectively 68 00:03:17.719 --> 00:03:20.360 kind of like you know, as John said, all along 69 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:23.360 the way, he wanted to get me out of the way. Yeah, yeah, 70 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:24.120 I was kind. 71 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:27.680 Of I'm even wondering knowing that I think this. I 72 00:03:27.719 --> 00:03:30.439 think Howl's a little bit playing three dimensional chess with 73 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:34.199 all this stuff. Like I think he's he's he's rugged, 74 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:37.080 and he's not as bought into all the bs and 75 00:03:37.280 --> 00:03:40.599 and all the the the costume and being the lantern 76 00:03:40.639 --> 00:03:42.759 as much anymore. Now he's just kind of a grizzled 77 00:03:42.759 --> 00:03:45.919 and doing his job. Sure, but I think there's something 78 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:49.919 to him where he's where he is, Like you know, 79 00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:52.120 we always he always looks like he's a little crazy, 80 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:54.360 Like when he's taking those bodies, it was like, what 81 00:03:54.520 --> 00:03:56.719 is he doing? He's taking my bodies? Like this crazy? 82 00:03:57.000 --> 00:03:59.240 Why is he doing this? Dragging naked bodies are on 83 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:01.960 the street, And then you realize, oh, totally makes sense, 84 00:04:02.039 --> 00:04:03.759 Like he's doing a thing that makes And I think 85 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:08.039 some of his madness is it very deliberately looks like madness, 86 00:04:08.120 --> 00:04:10.599 but it is like very intentional and he's doing things 87 00:04:10.639 --> 00:04:13.319 that matter. And I'm wondering if there's even a world 88 00:04:13.319 --> 00:04:16.399 where like he sent him away to be attacked by 89 00:04:16.439 --> 00:04:19.000 those guys. You know what I mean, like oh, interesting, 90 00:04:19.160 --> 00:04:21.199 like something where he like, I need you to go 91 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:24.639 back because you know, my security system shows me there's 92 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:27.120 some guys on my house. There's something like whatever, like 93 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:29.240 he's he could I know they said if they followed 94 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:33.519 him or something, but like some some way where he's like, yeah, 95 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:35.560 I need you to go find out that piece of information. 96 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:37.439 I needed to know who it was. And I knew 97 00:04:37.480 --> 00:04:39.680 somebody would track you down because you look like the 98 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:42.399 weak link, you know, like they're not gonna come me. 99 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:44.240 They're gonna come at you as soon as we're separated. 100 00:04:44.480 --> 00:04:46.319 But I knew you could handle yourself, you know, like 101 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:48.079 I could see something like that in the future of 102 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:50.600 the show where Hal realized you realize Hall's kind of 103 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:52.160 had it all under control from the beginning. 104 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:54.800 For sure. I really like that line of thought and 105 00:04:54.839 --> 00:04:56.439 that kind of theory. The one thing that kind of 106 00:04:56.439 --> 00:04:58.079 makes me questioned a little bit, and it doesn't make 107 00:04:58.079 --> 00:05:00.240 it untrue, but it would just you know, at a 108 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:03.759 wrinkle or maybe a potential other reveal is when John 109 00:05:03.839 --> 00:05:05.959 does decide to, you know, fess up and say, hey, 110 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:07.800 this went down. They didn't want me to tell you, 111 00:05:07.800 --> 00:05:10.360 but like what do you know about manhunters? I do 112 00:05:10.519 --> 00:05:14.160 believe that Hal is a manipulator. He he omits a 113 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:16.120 lot of things. But I believed him when he said 114 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:18.680 when he was like, you know, when he goes to 115 00:05:18.720 --> 00:05:20.839 Sinestro and says, like, what do you like? I believe 116 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:23.439 him when he does not know about manhunters. It was 117 00:05:23.480 --> 00:05:25.279 kind of like set up, like was how the one 118 00:05:25.279 --> 00:05:28.360 that you know brought this this man hunter here for 119 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:30.800 you know, safe harbor? And I was suspecting, like a 120 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:32.079 couple of times in the episode, I was like this 121 00:05:32.240 --> 00:05:35.240 carry is the is the sheriff the man Hunter? Because 122 00:05:35.240 --> 00:05:37.199 it kind of feels like they have rapport? 123 00:05:37.480 --> 00:05:40.199 Thank you? That is my exact I think that would 124 00:05:40.240 --> 00:05:43.600 be if I was writing this show, she would be 125 00:05:43.600 --> 00:05:47.560 the man Hunter. Like it's it may be a little 126 00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:50.759 too obvious because she's the She's the only one they're 127 00:05:50.759 --> 00:05:53.040 getting to know, So it would be the highest, most impactful, 128 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:55.800 and we've got a lot of runway to go left 129 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:59.199 on the show. It also just immediately who gets to 130 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:02.399 walk around the detectors? Who gets to not go through 131 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:06.040 the middle detectors the police? Like immediately I was like, Okay, 132 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:08.839 she's got Like I was thinking that actually before this episode, 133 00:06:08.839 --> 00:06:10.279 and then this episode, I was watching it and that 134 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:12.839 Detector thing happened, and I was like, yeah, I think 135 00:06:12.879 --> 00:06:14.040 she might be the Manhunter. 136 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:18.240 Yeah, but that alone, that like the mystery of who 137 00:06:18.279 --> 00:06:20.319 is the Man Hunter? I think that is another reason 138 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:22.399 why this episode feels like we're kind of off to 139 00:06:22.480 --> 00:06:24.879 the races already with episode two, and like this this 140 00:06:24.959 --> 00:06:26.879 show has kind of got it. It's hook, you know, 141 00:06:27.360 --> 00:06:29.879 like it's just it's so much fun, like who is 142 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:32.600 the Man Hunter? Anybody could be the Man Hunter? Like 143 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:35.079 I said, I believe how when he says he doesn't 144 00:06:35.079 --> 00:06:37.079 know who the Manhunter is and he kind of suspects, 145 00:06:37.720 --> 00:06:41.480 you know, Aben Suur his predecessor must have brought the 146 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:44.920 Man Hunter and that the Manhunter killed him. Now I 147 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:48.639 don't know, I suspect that the Manhunter did not kill Abbenser. 148 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:52.079 I think that's kind of a red red Hair scribe. Yeah, 149 00:06:52.120 --> 00:06:54.360 I think the Manhunter is gonna end up being a 150 00:06:54.439 --> 00:06:57.040 sympathetic character before this is all said and done, but 151 00:06:57.079 --> 00:06:57.439 maybe not. 152 00:06:58.160 --> 00:07:01.680 Yeah, I agree completely think that. I mean, well, for 153 00:07:01.720 --> 00:07:04.240 one thing, I can't help but think this is Martian Manhunter. 154 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:07.240 I don't know if that's true. I think manhunters are 155 00:07:07.279 --> 00:07:11.040 a different thing, at least at first Blush. 156 00:07:11.399 --> 00:07:14.279 That's immediately where my mind goes as well, like Manhunter's 157 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:16.759 right there. Of course it's Martian Manhunter. He must be connected. 158 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:21.800 But I guess in the Green Lantern mythology, the Manhunters 159 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:23.120 are something a little different. 160 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:27.439 Okay, gotcha. I wasn't sure if like Manhunter was a 161 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:32.680 species or if it was like a type of like 162 00:07:32.759 --> 00:07:34.839 kind of like the Lanterns or the Lanterns. I didn't 163 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:37.800 know if the man Hunters were like their own core 164 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:39.759 kind of not that not necessarily like a core like 165 00:07:39.839 --> 00:07:45.319 a lantern core obviously, but like, could Martian, that last 166 00:07:45.399 --> 00:07:48.839 Martian have become a Manhunter for a time and then 167 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:51.800 maybe he turned on the Manhunters to join Aben Sour 168 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:54.240 and get hidden in this place, and then that's how 169 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:55.959 he ended up on Earth, and then that's how we 170 00:07:56.199 --> 00:07:58.600 like he has a backstory that connects to abn soor 171 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:02.160 is my mind's going. But I don't know anything about manhunters. 172 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:04.240 Hal Jordan doesn't know anything about Manhunters. We're all, I 173 00:08:04.319 --> 00:08:06.399 guess we're all going to find out next episode, like 174 00:08:06.439 --> 00:08:08.079 a little more about who the Manhunters are. 175 00:08:08.639 --> 00:08:10.360 Yeah, I mean The one thing we do know is 176 00:08:10.399 --> 00:08:13.240 that they apparently have the ability to shape shift, which 177 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:15.160 again is something that they share in common with the 178 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:18.240 DC version of the Martians. John Jones is a shape 179 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:21.480 shifter as well. So I could totally see a scenario where, 180 00:08:21.800 --> 00:08:25.720 you know, the DC studio heads or the writers say, 181 00:08:25.519 --> 00:08:28.040 they recognize that we're going to have the exact conversation 182 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:30.160 that we're having, So like maybe we make the Manhunters 183 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:32.519 and the Martians, you know, one and the same, or 184 00:08:32.519 --> 00:08:35.000 maybe it's a faction that's evil. But there was the 185 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:38.960 character the subtitles named him as Anton, who was kind 186 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:43.000 of the leader of the group that abducted John there, 187 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:46.039 and that's where we really learned the most about the Manhunters. 188 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:48.559 And he described them as like synthetic beings, and that's 189 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:51.759 kind of what really differentiated them from the Martians. To me, 190 00:08:51.879 --> 00:08:55.720 it sounded like they were almost like an artificial intelligence 191 00:08:55.720 --> 00:09:00.960 that gained sentience and is just continuing on that trajectory 192 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:01.600 and that evolution. 193 00:09:02.639 --> 00:09:07.639 Yeah, yeah, I didn't get and it actually didn't I 194 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:10.159 remember mentioning that now, but until you said, I didn't 195 00:09:10.159 --> 00:09:14.759 actually catch that for whatever reason. So yeah, like I 196 00:09:14.799 --> 00:09:17.200 wasn't sure at all, but it did seem like, why 197 00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:20.120 would you do Manhunters twice? I don't know, it just 198 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:23.120 seems weird. It seems like a thing where like if 199 00:09:23.120 --> 00:09:25.600 you're taking it into the movies or the TV verse, 200 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:29.000 you would like change the name slightly so that it 201 00:09:29.080 --> 00:09:31.799 didn't give this misdirect of the margin Manhunter for people 202 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:34.519 that like that is such an obvious connection to DC 203 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:39.720 for sure. Yeah, a couple of cool DC connections this episode. 204 00:09:40.639 --> 00:09:44.919 The Sheriffs from Gotham. That was fun. Ye, that's fun. 205 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:49.440 And of course seeing sin Estro. I don't know, I'm 206 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:56.960 I know that the Green Lantern movie was hated, but 207 00:09:57.120 --> 00:10:01.200 I always like, I just I'm a guy who gets 208 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:03.279 excited for the next one, you know, whenever they do 209 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:06.120 like a hook and that one ending with like the 210 00:10:06.240 --> 00:10:11.639 his his mentor turning dark and how like there's like 211 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:13.639 it was I think in the in the post credits 212 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:17.080 of Green Lantern with Sinestro, I was like, ooh cool. 213 00:10:17.360 --> 00:10:19.799 I know this in the comics is a thing, but 214 00:10:19.840 --> 00:10:22.519 I've never seen it. I was always excited, so seeing 215 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:25.840 this uh version of Sinestro is exciting to me. And 216 00:10:26.440 --> 00:10:30.200 what Sinestro said was intriguing too. He said, oh yeah, oh, yeah, 217 00:10:30.279 --> 00:10:35.840 he says, the man Hunter is your second greatest you're 218 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:39.240 facing Yeah, and then he said, so tell me more 219 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:44.679 about uh, John Stewart, John Stuart. So is he saying 220 00:10:45.399 --> 00:10:47.639 John Stewart is his greatest threat? 221 00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:49.399 That is exactly how I read it. 222 00:10:49.480 --> 00:10:53.840 Yes, Like I'm wondering what that means. And we know 223 00:10:53.879 --> 00:10:57.200 that Sinestra is an ex green lantern. Does that just 224 00:10:57.240 --> 00:10:59.840 mean that you see that they're training your replacement. That 225 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:02.080 means they'reetting ready to get rid of you. Is that what 226 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:04.720 that means? Like that's a threat thing? Or is something 227 00:11:04.759 --> 00:11:08.039 else going on with John Stewart? Oh? 228 00:11:08.759 --> 00:11:12.720 Interesting? Yeah, No, that very very interesting question and I'll 229 00:11:12.720 --> 00:11:15.399 be curious to see where it goes. But just knowing 230 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:17.360 what I know about Sinestro and the fact that he 231 00:11:17.519 --> 00:11:20.159 was a green lantern that made the change to yellow, 232 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:26.279 and where the green cores is all about willpower, the 233 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:30.159 yellow cores is all about fear. So I took that 234 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:33.960 as like a manipulating manipulation tactically, like what what would 235 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:36.519 you know? What would how be scared of? What would 236 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:39.000 be his greatest fear is being replaced? Thinking that you know, 237 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:42.200 he he can no longer you know, have this power 238 00:11:42.200 --> 00:11:44.960 and this responsibility that's made him who he is for 239 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:47.879 for so long. I mean, I may be stretching a 240 00:11:47.879 --> 00:11:53.879 little bit, but I get the sense that How one 241 00:11:53.879 --> 00:11:56.840 of the things he made. Well, we'll see where the 242 00:11:56.840 --> 00:11:58.759 season goes, but I think there's gonna be a conversation 243 00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:01.960 between How and John about their fathers. And I think 244 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:05.679 Hal has some unresolved trauma and and grief around the 245 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:07.360 death of his father where he just really kind of 246 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:12.919 like poured himself into becoming you know, the next test pilot, 247 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:15.639 and then that immediately went into being a green lantern. 248 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:19.320 So he's poured so much of himself into fulfilling that role. 249 00:12:19.399 --> 00:12:23.840 When that gets taken away, what's what's he left with? Yeah, well, 250 00:12:23.879 --> 00:12:28.399 I kind of love that. The construct with the bird, Oh, 251 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:30.720 it was just a fun you know, through line throughout 252 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:31.440 the episode. 253 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:34.600 It was fun, but it also really meant something. 254 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:36.960 At the end, Okay, where are you going with it? 255 00:12:37.200 --> 00:12:42.039 We talked a lot about how he's he's still trying 256 00:12:42.039 --> 00:12:46.879 to keep his his self private, his emotions private. Okay 257 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:50.039 to me, that bird did mean something to him. Oh yeah, 258 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:53.120 And at the end of the episode when haw asks him, 259 00:12:53.360 --> 00:12:56.279 tell me about the bird, like clearly that meant something 260 00:12:56.320 --> 00:12:58.720 to you. He's like it's just a bird and just 261 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:03.840 crushes it. And like that's just him still scared to 262 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:07.879 express himself, either because he's he scared to like show 263 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:11.000 who he is, scared to show emotion not necessary or 264 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:13.879 not scared is the wrong word. Like he's just resisting 265 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:16.360 showing emotion for whatever reason. And some of it, as 266 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:20.720 we discussed last episode, like being a black man and 267 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:23.519 like feeling like he can't screw up, like his dad said, 268 00:13:23.559 --> 00:13:26.840 like you can get angry, he can get angry. You 269 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:28.480 can't get angry, you know, like we can't do that. 270 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:34.320 There's that whole thing, there's this superior officer thing, or 271 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:37.639 there's just something in him that he's been trained to 272 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:39.480 not allow his emotions to sort of get in the 273 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:42.799 way of being the perfect soldier. And like Hal knows 274 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:46.120 that those emotions and the will and like what you 275 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:48.360 create is a big part of being a green lantern. 276 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:51.080 And I think he's I think that's why the water 277 00:13:51.159 --> 00:13:53.000 at the beginning, and that's why all this he's trying 278 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:54.480 to push him a little more to be a little 279 00:13:54.519 --> 00:13:56.840 more open with with who he is. And I think 280 00:13:56.840 --> 00:13:59.159 that bird was a representation of that and I loved it. 281 00:13:59.159 --> 00:14:01.960 This episode is flitting around. It gave his character a 282 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:04.159 little just just a little mystery of like what does 283 00:14:04.200 --> 00:14:06.799 the bird mean to him? You know, like and how 284 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:09.559 it felt like he just had this little buddy, this 285 00:14:09.559 --> 00:14:11.320 little friend. I liked it a lot. I really liked 286 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:13.360 the bird. And then at the end, him just being 287 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:16.840 willing to crush it was heartbreaking in a weird way, 288 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:18.759 like to me because I was like, what a cute 289 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:21.759 little birdie and he just crushes it. But you know 290 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:25.320 that that's like like he was very protective of the bird, 291 00:14:25.440 --> 00:14:27.840 like he caught it while he's like flying through all 292 00:14:27.879 --> 00:14:30.200 those cars and stuff, Like he was protective of the bird. 293 00:14:30.200 --> 00:14:32.480 But then when asked what it meant to him, he's 294 00:14:32.600 --> 00:14:35.840 just like, nothing means anything to me, you know. And 295 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:39.679 that's a that's a dark way to live. And I 296 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:41.279 don't think how it's trying to pull it out of 297 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:42.080 him a little more. 298 00:14:42.720 --> 00:14:46.600 Absolutely, Yeah, just I you know, this is totally speculation, 299 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:48.600 but I have to imagine at some point there's there 300 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:51.080 going to be some revelations about that bird, and it 301 00:14:51.159 --> 00:14:53.639 might be in the form of a flashback. And the 302 00:14:53.720 --> 00:14:55.960 obvious place to go is, you know, maybe an interaction 303 00:14:56.039 --> 00:14:57.519 with his father. You could we could see him as 304 00:14:57.559 --> 00:15:00.120 a kid again and maybe he has this moment or 305 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:03.240 he wants to protect the bird, but the father encourages, 306 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:06.759 you know, harshness or you know, don't be soft like that. 307 00:15:06.879 --> 00:15:09.399 But the other thing that I kind of noted in 308 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:11.879 this episode, and I can't remember in episode one how 309 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:16.320 much we learned about what John's history before becoming a 310 00:15:17.399 --> 00:15:20.919 lantern in training was. But he made the note about 311 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:24.399 where hal got shot. He said through the shoulder, you know, 312 00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:26.360 clean through. That was clearly a warning shot. So I 313 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:28.039 was like, okay, he's got some combat training. 314 00:15:28.279 --> 00:15:32.279 Well he called him a sniper. I don't know. He 315 00:15:32.360 --> 00:15:35.039 said you snipers, that's right, which I don't think we 316 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:38.320 knew until until this. But he's like, you snipers are 317 00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:40.159 all the same or something like that. And then he's like, 318 00:15:40.200 --> 00:15:42.159 that's through and through. That's a great warning shot. Like 319 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:46.600 he's a sniper and knows knows a lot about being 320 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:47.200 a sniper. 321 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:51.279 Yeah, And he frequently refers to halis Jordan, which is 322 00:15:51.320 --> 00:15:54.200 a very like military coded thing or like police kind 323 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:56.159 of like you know, combat training kind of thing to 324 00:15:56.159 --> 00:15:59.000 refer to your your colleagues by their last name like that. 325 00:15:59.080 --> 00:16:01.399 But I'm wondering maybe, you know, with this bird again, 326 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:03.879 maybe it'll be a flashback to a combat scenario he 327 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:06.639 was in where he wanted to, you know, protect an 328 00:16:06.679 --> 00:16:09.840 innocent that could have been represented by this bird, but 329 00:16:09.879 --> 00:16:12.000 instead had to follow warders or make the tough call. 330 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:15.120 Sure, so I wonder if it could connect to his mom. 331 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:16.879 I thought about that for a second too. 332 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:19.240 Yeah, just because it's a I mean, it's just a 333 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:22.240 story thing to connect to the parents. And we've seen 334 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:25.240 his dad and I'm sorry, if your dad is shooting 335 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:27.960 apples off your head, your mom is not in the picture. 336 00:16:28.879 --> 00:16:31.279 Definitely not. Definitely not that is. 337 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:39.000 A single dad activity. I think. Yeah, I think you're 338 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:41.000 totally right. I think we'll get some sort of flashback 339 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:44.279 that elucidates why the bird is important to him and 340 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:49.399 also like his sort of secret emotional core that he's 341 00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:53.159 been so resistant to share because his dad trained it 342 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:53.679 out of him. 343 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:58.639 You know, Well, his dad didn't show up at all 344 00:16:58.679 --> 00:17:00.399 in this episode. And I know we're here to talk 345 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:04.720 about episode two, but thinking back on episode one when 346 00:17:04.720 --> 00:17:07.799 we wrapped last week, I kind of wanted to message 347 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:10.319 you immediately after we wrapped and say, hey, can we 348 00:17:10.359 --> 00:17:14.599 pick up and do a quick recording here because episode 349 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:17.440 one ended on the cliffhanger of you know how, his 350 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:19.480 frozen body there in the bleachers, which we we got 351 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:21.400 to see him do again in this episode, fully leaning 352 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:24.359 into the Friday night lights of it all. But they 353 00:17:24.359 --> 00:17:28.200 didn't even touch on that in this episode. I immediately 354 00:17:28.200 --> 00:17:30.279 wanted to, you know, get back on and record because 355 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:32.240 I thought, and I know I'm not alone. I know 356 00:17:32.319 --> 00:17:34.359 other people on the Internet have come to this conclusion too, 357 00:17:34.359 --> 00:17:38.319 but Haligram, what if that was a haligram? 358 00:17:38.839 --> 00:17:44.920 So absolutely absolutely could be a haligram. Good call, and 359 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:46.880 I would love it because I would really like to 360 00:17:47.079 --> 00:17:48.960 as much as I want, obviously John Stewart to become 361 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:50.759 a lantern, I would love to see how Jordan stick 362 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:51.160 around too. 363 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:51.599 I love this. 364 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:54.279 I love Booth the actors a lot, and it would 365 00:17:54.319 --> 00:17:57.039 be a great twist if it's not training his replacement, 366 00:17:57.079 --> 00:17:59.319 it's actually how Jordan's still gonna be around in the 367 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:01.880 universe with John Stewart as later and there could be 368 00:18:01.880 --> 00:18:02.839 three lanterns on Earth. 369 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:05.839 Yeah, sure, sure, yeah. 370 00:18:06.359 --> 00:18:08.480 Let's see. Oh, speaking of the bird, we're talking about 371 00:18:08.480 --> 00:18:11.240 the bird a lot. You could see it on it 372 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:13.799 on I loved how they played it because as soon 373 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:16.319 as you created the bird and then took off the ring, 374 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:22.480 Hal's eyes did this thing where he's like, huh, his surprised. 375 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:24.720 It was a surprise in his eyes. And then we 376 00:18:24.759 --> 00:18:27.519 find it out that like, not only is making a 377 00:18:27.599 --> 00:18:32.359 living construct impressive, but keeping it going after the ring 378 00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:35.920 has been removed, and then he kind of not knowing 379 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:39.720 how much he's being challenged, he's able to hold on 380 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:43.160 to the will through all the stuff he goes through, 381 00:18:43.240 --> 00:18:45.400 which I got a question a little bit, because how 382 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:47.400 do you hold onto your will when you're unconscious? Twice? 383 00:18:47.559 --> 00:18:50.160 Good question. I was wondering about that. But maybe that's 384 00:18:50.200 --> 00:18:52.680 the thing. Maybe you're maybe you're if your focus is 385 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:55.480 good enough, if your willpower is strong enough, even in 386 00:18:55.519 --> 00:18:58.920 your dreams, you're you're you're focusing on that bird. But 387 00:18:59.119 --> 00:19:01.680 he says, if you lose concentration, the bird will disappear. 388 00:19:01.759 --> 00:19:04.640 And then he like keeps it through two being knocked 389 00:19:04.640 --> 00:19:07.920 out twice, which yeah, that seems weird, but uh, they 390 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:09.960 but they call it him possible and then he says 391 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:12.720 it a little later, he's like, there's no there's no 392 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:14.319 way they're telling the truth though, because you would have 393 00:19:14.359 --> 00:19:19.480 at least given me a Hurrah, right, which hourrah is Marines? Right? Generally, 394 00:19:20.119 --> 00:19:26.160 uh rah is Marines. Okay, I'm wondering if maybe maybe 395 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:29.000 he was Marines. Maybe it's a marine sniper just given 396 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:30.559 to the but I don't know. 397 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:37.680 Yeah, I'm pretty sure how was Air Force? But h yeah, 398 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:39.839 it could be that that John was was geens. 399 00:19:39.920 --> 00:19:41.440 Yeah, yeah, that's what That's what I meant. 400 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:54.680 Yeah, looking, I'm looking up the uh hohorrah associated with 401 00:19:54.680 --> 00:19:56.640