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<v Speaker 2>I'm Jon Favre, I'm Dan Pfeiffer.

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<v Speaker 1>On today's show, Donald Trump has fled to China after

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<v Speaker 1>admitting he doesn't think about American's financial situation, not even

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. We'll talk about all the follow up

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<v Speaker 1>from that fun little gaff and the possibility that Trump

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<v Speaker 1>may personally pocket billions in taxpayer dollars because of a

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<v Speaker 1>lawsuit he filed that his own Justice Department is on

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<v Speaker 1>the verge of settling. We'll also talk about the Democrats'

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<v Speaker 1>latest plan to fight the Republican jerrymanderspree, more updates on

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<v Speaker 1>of course, why the new twenty two foot golden statue

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<v Speaker 1>of Donald Trump at his golf club, blessed by his

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<v Speaker 1>spiritual advisor, is definitely not a golden calf. Before we

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<v Speaker 1>Crooked Con tickets Crickedcon dot com. All right, the president

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<v Speaker 1>is in China glazing Shijinping. He called the communist dictator

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<v Speaker 1>a quote great leader while dropping some knowledge on his

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese hosts.

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<v Speaker 3>Chinese restaurants in America today outnumber the five largest fast

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<v Speaker 3>food chains in the United States all combined.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a pretty big statement.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty pretty big statement, pretty big statement. Glad he glad

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<v Speaker 1>he gave them that one. The Beijing leg of Trump's

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<v Speaker 1>affordability tour puts him out of the country at a

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<v Speaker 1>moment when the president has never been less popular. After

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<v Speaker 1>starting a war he can't seem to end that's led

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<v Speaker 1>to inflation he doesn't seem to care about, which, for

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<v Speaker 1>some reason he won't stop telling us.

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<v Speaker 2>Can bring up play down is now at its highest

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<v Speaker 2>level in three years.

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<v Speaker 1>Are your policies not working? What's happening? Need be working? Incredibly,

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<v Speaker 1>we have a ballroom that's under budgets. We're right now

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<v Speaker 1>on budget, under.

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<v Speaker 2>Budget and ahead of sketch I double the size of

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<v Speaker 2>a new dumb person. We're already deluctiating with the rhyme

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<v Speaker 2>under preject one extent.

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<v Speaker 1>Are mair case financial maintence motivating you to make.

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<v Speaker 2>It meal, not even a little bit. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>about American financial situation.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think about anybody. The best part of that is,

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<v Speaker 1>like it would have been bad enough if he had

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<v Speaker 1>just stuck with not at all, because then like, that's

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<v Speaker 1>still bad. But then you would have had to, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, make sure you heard the reporters question. But

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<v Speaker 1>then he like does the quote as if it was like,

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<v Speaker 1>a major gaff, and he's like, I will do the

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<v Speaker 1>whole line. I will just say it. I do not

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<v Speaker 1>think about american's financial situation. I don't think about anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>The only thing would have been worse if he'd asked

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<v Speaker 2>them to turn the helicopter engines off first, to could

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<v Speaker 2>say it.

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<v Speaker 1>So the audio Okay, folks, I'm gonna do one more take.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say a little louder and two camera just

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<v Speaker 1>so it looks better.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me hold this big box of gold right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Why can you get the can you get the unfinished

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<v Speaker 1>ballroom in the back front shot? In fairness, the one

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<v Speaker 1>group of Americans whose financial situation Trump keeps improving are

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<v Speaker 1>democratic ad makers. In the pantheon of gaffes, where do

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<v Speaker 1>you rank this one?

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump has said many offensive and morally odious things

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<v Speaker 2>over the years, but from a political perspective, this is

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<v Speaker 2>the worst thing he has said by far, hands down,

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<v Speaker 2>not even close.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think so? I mean, god, I can't remember,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been ten years, but yeah, it's up there for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>It absolutely has to be. And here here's why. Because

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of Trump's like though terrible things he says,

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<v Speaker 2>like Nazis are fine people, I trust the Russian intell

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<v Speaker 2>your trust Russia over our own intelligence agents. All those

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<v Speaker 2>things which are really really bad things for president to

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<v Speaker 2>say on every level, are a field from the thing

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<v Speaker 2>Americans care most about. So right here he is doing

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<v Speaker 2>the worst kind of gafs are when you say the

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<v Speaker 2>truth out loud. And that's what this is because what

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<v Speaker 2>he said was the exact thing that the people who

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<v Speaker 2>voted for Trump, who have grown disillusion with him and

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<v Speaker 2>are thinking voted for Democrats fear most that he does

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<v Speaker 2>not give a shit about them. Yeah, it's like he said,

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<v Speaker 2>the whole thing, and you just that is our message,

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<v Speaker 2>like somewhere on a whiteboard and a Democratic superpack is

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<v Speaker 2>Trump does not care about American people's financial situations. And

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<v Speaker 2>then he said it. He set our message on camera

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<v Speaker 2>that's bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember, Kamala is for they them, Trump's for you. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess Trump is not for you.

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<v Speaker 2>No, Trump is not for you. But this is this

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<v Speaker 2>is see you. This is like when Kamala Harris the

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<v Speaker 2>two quotes which we'll get to this later, but when

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<v Speaker 2>Kamala Harris said that Biden nomics were working and when

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<v Speaker 2>she had no ways in which she was separated herself

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<v Speaker 2>from Joe Biden. Similar right, when you make a gaff

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<v Speaker 2>that fits with people's greatest fear about you, those are

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<v Speaker 2>the gaffs that hurt the most.

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking whether this was even the worst gaff

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<v Speaker 1>within the context of all of the terrible, politically stupid

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<v Speaker 1>gas he's made, within the context of the just affordability,

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<v Speaker 1>just in that category, because it was like, affordability is

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<v Speaker 1>a hoax, it's bullshit, it's bullshit, everything's fine, people are okay.

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<v Speaker 1>If it could be worse gas prices, I mean, there's

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<v Speaker 1>just so many of them. I do think this nicely

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<v Speaker 1>encapsulates that aside from anyone policy or him being out

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<v Speaker 1>of touch with how people are feeling, he actually just

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't think about.

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<v Speaker 2>It, does not care, could not care less.

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<v Speaker 1>Back to the ballroom, there it's like the advisors are saying, well,

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<v Speaker 1>he was talking about it was talking about this in

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<v Speaker 1>the context of Around having a nuclear weapon, and what

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<v Speaker 1>he was saying is that he doesn't think about America's

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<v Speaker 1>financial situation in a way that would stop him from

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<v Speaker 1>doing what he needs to do to stop around from

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<v Speaker 1>getting a nuclear weapon, which is also funny because he

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't done that either.

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<v Speaker 2>They still have the uranium dust and our gas prices

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<v Speaker 2>are really high.

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<v Speaker 1>Zero progress, zero progress since this war. The latest war

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<v Speaker 1>began in February of twenty eight. Whatever he bombed over

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<v Speaker 1>last summer is one thing, but like nothing on the

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear dust since since this war started, so hasn't figured

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<v Speaker 1>that out. Doesn't think of American's financial situation. It has

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<v Speaker 1>been funny to watch Republicans respond to this one, which

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<v Speaker 1>so many of them have been asked to do, including

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<v Speaker 1>the Vice President and the Speaker of the House and

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<v Speaker 1>random members of Congress. Let's listen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, the President was asking about whether American's financial concerned

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<v Speaker 2>for motivating to make a deal with the wrong His

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<v Speaker 2>response was, I don't think about americans financial situations. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the right message. He doesn't should be considering the financial

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<v Speaker 2>tool I don't know the context in which he made

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<v Speaker 2>that comment, but I can tell you the President thinks

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<v Speaker 2>about the American's financial situations. I'd talked to him on

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<v Speaker 2>average twice a day, sometimes three or four times a day.

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<v Speaker 2>I could just kind of give a little clarity to

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<v Speaker 2>what I think President Trump was saying is, look, he

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<v Speaker 2>does care about the American people. He does care about

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<v Speaker 2>the price of the pump.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't think the President said that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a misrepresentation to what the President said.

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<v Speaker 1>So good, so good. I like, let me just clarify,

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<v Speaker 1>let me just clarify. When the President said he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>think about americans financial situation, what he actually meant was

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<v Speaker 1>that he cares about America's financial situation.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, look, he's an older gentleman, isn't get a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of sleep. He gets confused sometimes.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that Mike Johnson went to I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>talked to him two three times a day. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>what does that have to do with him caring about

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<v Speaker 1>American's financial situation. I also enjoyed that there's the question

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<v Speaker 1>was do you think that's a good message?

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know the context, but like no one

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<v Speaker 2>has a narrow media diet than Mike Johnson.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like every Democratic candidate on the ballot in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty six should make their Republican opponent.

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<v Speaker 2>Answer for this. Right, it feels like a leading question.

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<v Speaker 1>John I'm just saying, like why I haven't I've mean

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<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out, like why I haven't seen more

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<v Speaker 1>of that yet. I mean, I guess you can only

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<v Speaker 1>really do that in a I guess the place to

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<v Speaker 1>do that is in a debate, because if you do

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<v Speaker 1>some video where like I call on my opponent to

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<v Speaker 1>you know, no one's gonna no one's gonna actually do that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not going to get you very far. But I

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<v Speaker 1>do think would be a good debate moment.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think the way we generally think about this,

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<v Speaker 2>with the way that question is framed, is like basing

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<v Speaker 2>this other world of politics that you and I came

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<v Speaker 2>up in, where these Republicans are out there on the

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<v Speaker 2>this question, Like I would like that. That is good

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<v Speaker 2>karmic justice. What it's it's and people should use it

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<v Speaker 2>in debates. The better thing to do here in this

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I watched the I don't know if you've

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<v Speaker 2>But like these debates are never they're not presidential debates.

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<v Speaker 1>I know a lot of these corruption stories are a

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think they might, and I think they'll justify

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<v Speaker 1>You think so you'll. Yeah. The other thing that they

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<v Speaker 2>He's basically just backing up a truck to the Treasury

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<v Speaker 2>And he's gonna say he's giving it to charity. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what he said when he was pushed on this in

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<v Speaker 2>be the greatest example of presidential coruption in American history

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<v Speaker 2>by a factor of a thousand. It's just stealing money.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, the easiest to explain. Don't fucking

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<v Speaker 1>get out your message box on this one, Dan.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me tell you. It's just like, uh, he's stealing

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<v Speaker 1>from us. You go to work, you get a paycheck,

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<v Speaker 1>they take taxes out of the paycheck. It goes to

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<v Speaker 1>He's a thief. He is stealing from US ten billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a crook. That's it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's it's wild.

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<v Speaker 1>Really. It's also it's like a lawsuit that I mean

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<v Speaker 1>of wealthy people, including Donald Trump to pro Publica. Apparently

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<v Speaker 1>apology from the irs. There's all kinds of problems with

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<v Speaker 1>the lawsuits. It's for way too much money. First of all,

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<v Speaker 2>Only one party of the lawsuit. Well that's the big thing.

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<v Speaker 1>it's a fucking phony lawsuit. And the only reason he

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<v Speaker 1>this lawsuit that I filed against us, and I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to pocket the cash or I'm going to pretend that

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<v Speaker 1>I give it to charity. It is unfucking believable. I

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<v Speaker 2>I dollars in taxpayer money, I will you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll write some kind of a check itself. Not for

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest political gift. Now this is the easiest one.

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<v Speaker 1>But I know you have thoughts on just in general,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, way back in twenty twenty, what am

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<v Speaker 2>And you were in some of these meetings. Polsters would

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<v Speaker 2>We've tested it. Voters do not buy the idea or

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<v Speaker 2>something I don't buy the idea that Trump is corrupt

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<v Speaker 2>is that it does not move them. It's not new

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<v Speaker 2>information to them. They are willing to accept a baseline

426
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<v Speaker 2>of corruption from Trump is kind of priced into their baseline,

427
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<v Speaker 2>and they kind of think all politicians are corrupt. Flash

428
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<v Speaker 2>forward to now, even as recently, as early last year,

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<v Speaker 2>as when Trump was really doing a lot of all

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<v Speaker 2>this crypto stuff. We heard the same thing in the

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<v Speaker 2>same polsters that corruption was not a message that worked

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<v Speaker 2>with swimming voters. And I believe these posters. I believe

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<v Speaker 2>their data. I just think they are tactically correct and

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<v Speaker 2>strategically wrong. And there's two things here. The first is corruption.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a different backdrop. People may be okay with

436
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<v Speaker 2>Trump dipping his beak when gases under two dollars a

437
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<v Speaker 2>gallon and prices are low and the economy is going good.

438
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<v Speaker 2>They feel very differently about it when gas is four

439
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<v Speaker 2>to fifty a gallon and the economy sucks. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>very different There's a very different backdrop to this. That's

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<v Speaker 2>one two. I think how we use corruption is very

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<v Speaker 2>important here because I think too often Democrats treated as

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<v Speaker 2>if we were in a court of law, like we

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<v Speaker 2>are going to present this evidence. There is the Katari jet,

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<v Speaker 2>there is the theft of the ten billion dollars. Look

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<v Speaker 2>at the crypto schemes. We've presented this evidence. Jury of

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<v Speaker 2>my voter peers, please tell me whether you find the

448
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<v Speaker 2>president corrupt, and if you find him corrupt, then we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to get rid of them. But that's not how

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<v Speaker 2>it works. Right. The way to think about corruption is

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<v Speaker 2>to understand that it's a treat corruption as an explanation

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<v Speaker 2>for why everything sucks. It is the keystone to explain

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<v Speaker 2>why rich people are getting richer, politically connected people are

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<v Speaker 2>getting pard ins and gifts and access, and you're getting

455
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<v Speaker 2>kicked off your healthcare, you're getting kicked off your food assistants,

456
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<v Speaker 2>Why nothing works, why corporations are getting richerf small businesses

457
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<v Speaker 2>are hurting, things costing more. It is all because of corruption.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a corrupt system. It is bigger than Trump. Trump

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<v Speaker 2>is a part of that system. He is exploiting that system.

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<v Speaker 2>And if we don't talk about corruption as a party,

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<v Speaker 2>then what we are doing is we are implying to

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<v Speaker 2>voters that we're okay with that system because they think

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<v Speaker 2>we're part of it too.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's a lot of Democrats have to do

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of the positions we have, the policies we

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<v Speaker 2>advocate for that show that we're willing to take on

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<v Speaker 2>that system. But if you just refuse to acknowledge this

469
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<v Speaker 2>giant elephant in the room that people believe the system

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<v Speaker 2>is corrupt and it is correct because Donald Trump is

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<v Speaker 2>showing us every single day. Then you're just leaving so

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<v Speaker 2>much money on the table, no pun intended.

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<v Speaker 1>How much do you think an actual reform agenda should

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<v Speaker 1>be part of that?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it is credible for the Democratic Party

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<v Speaker 2>running in twenty twenty six to have a this is

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<v Speaker 2>our reform agenda. I don't think anyone's going to believe that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think individual candidates should be running on it, obviously.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the biggest layup ever that we seem incapable of accomplishing,

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<v Speaker 2>is banning members of Congress from trading stocks like truly,

481
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<v Speaker 2>one of the biggest mistakes of the Biden era was

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<v Speaker 2>not getting that done when we had the majority. You know,

483
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<v Speaker 2>dark money, you know the AOC, And I think, I

484
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<v Speaker 2>hate to say this, I think Ted Cruz have this

485
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<v Speaker 2>bill that says that members of Congress can't become lobbyist

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<v Speaker 2>when they leave, Like I think indusial people should have

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<v Speaker 2>their own to show that they're taking on that system.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it should be a big part. Like I

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<v Speaker 2>want our twenty twenty eight candidate to be seen as

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<v Speaker 2>a reformer, like us Off is doing that in his stuff, right, now,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't think there's like a Democratic Party agenda

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<v Speaker 2>when we get in. If we take the House, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things we should do is pass a government ethics,

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<v Speaker 2>campaign finance reform bill. We know it's going nowhere, but

495
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<v Speaker 2>we should show that we want to deliver on it.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of think that, And I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>this is for if we take the House and then

498
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<v Speaker 1>just want to pass a bill that is sitting there

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<v Speaker 1>ready for a Democratic president, or this is the candidates

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<v Speaker 1>who run in twenty twenty eight who do this. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think you need a few very big, ambitious, haven't

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<v Speaker 1>heard before reform ideas that people can grab onto. Both

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<v Speaker 1>because that's what it takes to get attention in this

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<v Speaker 1>information environment. And like the stock trading ban is great

505
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<v Speaker 1>and obviously pulls through the roof. We get that, but

506
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<v Speaker 1>like people have been talking about it for so long,

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<v Speaker 1>like when is it going to happen? I think the

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<v Speaker 1>next thing that's going to get attention to someone actually

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<v Speaker 1>fucking passing the stock trading ban. But how would you

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<v Speaker 1>stop the corruption we just talked about Donald Trump stealing

511
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<v Speaker 1>from the treasury because he controls the Justice Department. Like

512
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<v Speaker 1>we're going to figure out a way like this is

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<v Speaker 1>again this is another conversation, but like the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>the next Democratic president is just going to be like, well,

515
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<v Speaker 1>the Justice Department is independent again and that's gonna prevent

516
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<v Speaker 1>the next Trump from doing what he has done with

517
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<v Speaker 1>the Justice Department seems a bit fanciful to me. I'm

518
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<v Speaker 1>talking like like his story, like we have gone through

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<v Speaker 1>in these last this term, especially like historic levels of

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<v Speaker 1>corruption we have never seen in the United States of America,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it seems like you'll need reform that is

522
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<v Speaker 1>also will be reform for the history books that we've

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<v Speaker 1>never seen in the United States of America too, And

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<v Speaker 1>I worry that you'll get this like fucking mealy mouth,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, just bit by bit reform agenda that

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<v Speaker 1>is just recycled from Democratic campaigns past.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's sort of two things in a play

528
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<v Speaker 2>here that sometimes get conslated. One and I would say

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<v Speaker 2>they are related to. One is reforming campaign finance, law

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<v Speaker 2>lobbying just like government ethics, right, like akin to a

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<v Speaker 2>version of what Obama ran on in a weight And

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<v Speaker 2>when Democrats actually passed in two thousand and seven, I

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<v Speaker 2>think they're six or seven we p and then there

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<v Speaker 2>is like what do we do with the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>we that our system is so filled with Swiss cheese

536
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<v Speaker 2>that a bad person can exploit it with no consequences?

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<v Speaker 2>Like how do you ran that in? What can you

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<v Speaker 2>do to reign in presidential power? Like will a democratic

539
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<v Speaker 2>president come in and be willing to rein in their

540
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<v Speaker 2>own power in ways that would put them under more screen?

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<v Speaker 2>And it's hard because the Supreme Court immunity decision makes

542
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<v Speaker 2>it hard. Like you say, like what is the Like

543
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<v Speaker 2>you could put in place a bunch of different disclosure

544
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<v Speaker 2>laws or conflict ind interest laws that apply to the president.

545
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<v Speaker 2>You make the Hatch Act apply to the president doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>currently do There are things like that you could do,

547
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<v Speaker 2>and it is but what do you do? What are

548
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<v Speaker 2>the teeth right if the president just says fuck you?

549
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<v Speaker 2>Like what actually can you do in a world in

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<v Speaker 2>which the impeachment system does network. When I wrote my

551
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<v Speaker 2>book on Trumping America in twenty twenty, I guess it

552
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<v Speaker 2>came out twenty twenty, Yeah, right before the pandemic and

553
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<v Speaker 2>before the pandemic, and one of the things like this

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<v Speaker 2>is a big spend a lot of time working on

555
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<v Speaker 2>this and why I thought Democrat, both politically, for the

556
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<v Speaker 2>for the sake of the party, in the sake of

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<v Speaker 2>the country. The next Democratic president should do this. The

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<v Speaker 2>next Democratic president did not do this. But one of

559
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<v Speaker 2>the things was repealing the OLC memo, the obviously legal

560
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<v Speaker 2>countsl member that said that the president could not be indicted.

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<v Speaker 2>Now the Supreme Court has because that that's one of

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<v Speaker 2>the Then the Supreme Court just made that memo case

563
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<v Speaker 2>law now, so you can't do that. But we do

564
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<v Speaker 2>need to think, like this should be a big part

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<v Speaker 2>of Project twenty twenty nine or whatever, is thinking about

566
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<v Speaker 2>how we how we what like what lessons can we

567
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<v Speaker 2>learn from all the bad shit Trump did and how

568
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<v Speaker 2>can we stop future president because the system never anticipated

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<v Speaker 2>someone is craven and corrupt as Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the the easy way to say it and not

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<v Speaker 1>the message you way to say it. But it's like

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<v Speaker 1>you got to all the norms got to become laws

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<v Speaker 1>codify the.

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<v Speaker 2>President. Then that's that's the question. Like you can make

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<v Speaker 2>the people around him, like there are all these things

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<v Speaker 2>that you would want to do that are very hard constitutionally.

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<v Speaker 1>What you have to do is is I think right

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<v Speaker 1>into law because the loophole that the Supreme Court decision

579
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<v Speaker 1>gives you is anything that is clearly not an official

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<v Speaker 1>act he can be prosecuted for. And so you would

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<v Speaker 1>have to make sure that certain things you have to

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<v Speaker 1>put into a lot, that certain things that the president

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<v Speaker 1>does are not are obviously not official acts in the legislation.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's I'm not a lawyer, obviously it's good

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<v Speaker 1>enough for me. It feels like by then some smart

586
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<v Speaker 1>lawyers and maybe Claude can help us figure this out.

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<v Speaker 2>Anthropics, you really start paying for this?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Dan, we're gonna move on. But there's some

589
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<v Speaker 1>breaking news on this IRS thing, right from me?

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<v Speaker 2>A draft the case.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, so ABC News is reporting that Trump is poised

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<v Speaker 1>to settle the case and instead of the ten billion dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be one point seven billion dollars that

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<v Speaker 1>he still gets. But he's saying it's going to turn

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<v Speaker 1>into a one point seven billion dollars weaponization fund, so

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<v Speaker 1>that people, I guess, can sue people who weaponized the

597
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<v Speaker 1>government against Trump allies. And I'm sure there'll be a

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<v Speaker 1>strict oversight over such a fund that of course does

599
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<v Speaker 1>go to Donald Trump, and that's that's what will happen there.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a slush fund for Trump potentially his family

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<v Speaker 2>and his friends. Uh yeah, that is about right, That

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<v Speaker 2>is about right, good tax parent dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>The compensation fund is believed to be the main condition

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<v Speaker 1>for Trump to drop a series of legal blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 1>The settlement terms are expected to prohibit Trump from directly

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<v Speaker 1>receiving payments related to those claims. However, entities associated with

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<v Speaker 1>Trump are not explicitly barred from filing additional claim sources

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<v Speaker 1>like his.

609
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<v Speaker 2>Family and his business who also had their tax releases.

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<v Speaker 1>The proposed funds, which would face significant legal hurdles, would

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<v Speaker 1>draw money from the Treasury Department's judgment funds. One point

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<v Speaker 1>seven billion dollars will be coming out of the Treasury

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<v Speaker 1>in this scenario, going into some slush fund the Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump controls is what.

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<v Speaker 2>You need to know.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool about christ So it is it is some combination

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<v Speaker 1>of what we what we thought it might be and

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<v Speaker 1>still yeah, yeah, it's still bad. Still a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot of money, one point seven billion dollars,

620
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<v Speaker 1>just taking it out of their treasure.

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<v Speaker 4>Pative America is brought to you by fast growing trees.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we got it.

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<v Speaker 4>You might be skeptical about ordering plants online.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not symptical at all.

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<v Speaker 4>You're probably thinking, is this thing actually going to show

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<v Speaker 4>up alive? But after receiving multiple plants here at Crooked HQ,

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<v Speaker 4>we can say with confidence say, Fast Growing Trees shipping

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<v Speaker 4>plants down to a science.

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<v Speaker 2>Got they got you.

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<v Speaker 4>They nailed it there. It's hand picked, they're carefully inspected,

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<v Speaker 4>and they're packaging is designed specifically that keep them secure

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<v Speaker 4>in transits so they don't get damage. They even have

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<v Speaker 4>a lab where they test the best packaging materials to

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<v Speaker 1>So despite all of this, Republicans are still projecting confidence

656
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<v Speaker 1>about the midterms, which of course could be bullshit. Of

657
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:39.839
<v Speaker 1>course they project confidence, but the one thing they can

658
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<v Speaker 1>legitimately point to is the success they're having gerrymandering the

659
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<v Speaker 1>maps courtesy of again the Supreme Court. Some new developments there.

660
00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:51.519
<v Speaker 1>South Carolina now looks like it will redistrict, even though

661
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<v Speaker 1>a handful of Republicans joined Democrats to vote down the

662
00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:56.799
<v Speaker 1>idea earlier this week. The governor's going to call a

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<v Speaker 1>special session that will apparently require only a simple majority.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's not good news.

665
00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:05.079
<v Speaker 1>Louisiana advanced its Plan two, but they're getting rid of

666
00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:08.440
<v Speaker 1>one democratic district, not too so slight good news there

667
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:11.920
<v Speaker 1>on the democratic side. Maryland may now move to redistrict

668
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<v Speaker 1>the cycle. After all, the Senate president there, who would

669
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<v Speaker 1>oppose the idea is now and talks about it with

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<v Speaker 1>Governor Wes Moore. So fingers crossed there. Mississippi and Georgia

671
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<v Speaker 1>will both redraw their maps, but not till twenty twenty eight,

672
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:30.880
<v Speaker 1>so that's temporary. Good news, would be. Speaker Hakeem Jeffries

673
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<v Speaker 1>has announced a no more mister nice guy approach, pushing

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<v Speaker 1>every blue state to redistrict by twenty twenty eight and

675
00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:40.920
<v Speaker 1>promising to shame any Democrat who resists. And he also

676
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<v Speaker 1>is sharpening the rhetoric on Republicans. He promised this week

677
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<v Speaker 1>to quote crush their souls. Okay, then there's Kamala Harris

678
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<v Speaker 1>who popped up on an organizing call about redistricting with

679
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<v Speaker 1>this advice.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that we need an expanded playbook. This is

681
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<v Speaker 3>a moment where they're are no bad ideas, no bad idea.

682
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<v Speaker 2>Brainstorm is what I'd like to call it.

683
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<v Speaker 3>We talk about what we need to do and think

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<v Speaker 3>about doing around the electoral College. We talk about the

685
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:17.359
<v Speaker 3>idea of Supreme Court reform, which includes expanding the Supreme Court.

686
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<v Speaker 3>We invite a conversation about multi members districts. Let's talk

687
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:25.480
<v Speaker 3>about state look for Puerto Rico and DC. We've got

688
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<v Speaker 3>to neutralize these red states from cheating, including blue states

689
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<v Speaker 3>expanding their maps.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was Kamala Harris zooming in from nowhere. Let's

691
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<v Speaker 1>have a let's have a no bad ideas brainstorm, Dan, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>do you have you.

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<v Speaker 2>Been a part of many of them that it's not

694
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<v Speaker 2>possible there are bad ideas in a brainstorm. I've heard

695
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<v Speaker 2>many of them.

696
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<v Speaker 1>There are many many Sometimes they sometimes they leave the

697
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<v Speaker 1>brainstorm and then we're sat.

698
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<v Speaker 2>In fact saying that just usuallylicits more bad ideas. People

699
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<v Speaker 2>should have a little bit of fear of what they

700
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<v Speaker 2>said just in a meeting.

701
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<v Speaker 1>What is anyway talk to talk to Kamala Harris's team

702
00:34:06.440 --> 00:34:08.679
<v Speaker 1>about the back draw anyway, This was.

703
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<v Speaker 2>Not a media event. She was zooming into UH right Urge,

704
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<v Speaker 2>which is an organization that recruits in trans women candidates.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe so good she's out there chatting, we like it.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you make of both the democratic counter attack

707
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:24.760
<v Speaker 1>plan in the short term and then some of the

708
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<v Speaker 1>longer term UH stuff that Kamala was talking about there.

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<v Speaker 2>We have to recognize that we are now because of

710
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<v Speaker 2>the Supreme Court, we are now in a state of

711
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:38.039
<v Speaker 2>perpetual political warfare. The maps will be redrawn every cycle

712
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:40.320
<v Speaker 2>and at every time when there's a change in power.

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<v Speaker 2>So if we have a traffect in Oregon now and

714
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:49.079
<v Speaker 2>we redraw the maps, Republicans get a triffective two years,

715
00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:51.079
<v Speaker 2>four years, six years later, they'll redraw the maps again,

716
00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:53.000
<v Speaker 2>and we're just going to live like this and it's

717
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<v Speaker 2>going to be that way up until the moment Congress

718
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<v Speaker 2>passes a ban on partisan jerry mannering. And so we

719
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<v Speaker 2>have to approach this fight with the attitude I think

720
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<v Speaker 2>he King Jarvison is bringing in it, which is we

721
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:10.400
<v Speaker 2>need a maximum approach. We have to use every single

722
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<v Speaker 2>lever of power we have. If you if there's an

723
00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:15.239
<v Speaker 2>opportunity to draw more Democratic districts and one of these

724
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:17.400
<v Speaker 2>blue states, we have to do it. If we have

725
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:24.119
<v Speaker 2>to repeal or find clever legal workarounds for anti jerry

726
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:26.360
<v Speaker 2>mandering laws and amendments, then we must do that, because

727
00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:29.440
<v Speaker 2>as we can already see, Republicans are wasting no time.

728
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<v Speaker 2>They're leaving no stone unturned to find extra seats. And

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<v Speaker 2>we hate your I hate jerry manoring. You hate Jerry mannering.

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats hate jerry mannering. This sucks like so the you

731
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<v Speaker 2>know you guys joked about the or you discussed and

732
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<v Speaker 2>joked a little bit about the the plan in Virginia

733
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<v Speaker 2>to retire all the justices and put new ones in.

734
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<v Speaker 2>And that does seem extreme, and was I think for

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<v Speaker 2>a variety of reasons, uh, logistically unworkable this time.

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<v Speaker 1>Honest reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently yes, yes, but even I yes, it's confusing. But

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<v Speaker 2>either that sort of idea, I hate to say, this

739
00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:08.280
<v Speaker 2>has to be on the table. That idea is no

740
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<v Speaker 2>dumber or worse than just packing the Supreme Court ads

741
00:36:11.480 --> 00:36:14.320
<v Speaker 2>they've done in Florida and Utah in other places.

742
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:16.639
<v Speaker 1>Or like throwing out votes in an election that had

743
00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:17.920
<v Speaker 1>already happened in Louisiana.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's like we just I don't want to

745
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:22.360
<v Speaker 2>do those things, but we have to be we have

746
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:25.880
<v Speaker 2>to think like that because we are. We're now in

747
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:29.639
<v Speaker 2>a total war for democracy. The Republicans are trying to

748
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:34.599
<v Speaker 2>they're just they're just eliminating black districts across the country.

749
00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:37.440
<v Speaker 2>You know, when this is all said and done, thirty

750
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:39.559
<v Speaker 2>percent of the Black Caucus could either just they didn't

751
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<v Speaker 2>lose election, their districts just be written out of existence.

752
00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:45.599
<v Speaker 2>Because the pre Supreme Court says that racial jerrymandering was okay,

753
00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:48.559
<v Speaker 2>and we have to have a very aggressive attitude a bed.

754
00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:52.079
<v Speaker 2>So that's the short term. Over the long term, you know,

755
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<v Speaker 2>this gets into the conversation we just had about how

756
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<v Speaker 2>you reign in political power from you know, incruption from

757
00:36:57.559 --> 00:37:04.320
<v Speaker 2>Trump is we do need to think about how when

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<v Speaker 2>we have power, how to use that power to protect

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<v Speaker 2>democracy and fight fascism. And the way to do that

760
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:12.960
<v Speaker 2>you have to make the country more democratic. That means

761
00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:15.400
<v Speaker 2>getting rid of the filibuster. That means giving DC statehood.

762
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:17.639
<v Speaker 2>It means giving Puerto Rico the opportunity for state of shit.

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00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:19.920
<v Speaker 2>If the people of Venezuela want to join America. Giving

764
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<v Speaker 2>Trump's report ratings right there, we'll take them too.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>The cool it is, you know, court reform, as Kama

767
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<v Speaker 2>Harris mentioned, including an expansion or certainly turn limits, would

768
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<v Speaker 2>be very helpful. And there are creative ways that I

769
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<v Speaker 2>think you can get around some of the constitutional language

770
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<v Speaker 2>on turn limits. But we all these things should be

771
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<v Speaker 2>on the table because Republicans are exploiting the loopholes in

772
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<v Speaker 2>our system, and they're doing it ruthlessly and relentlessly, and

773
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:50.039
<v Speaker 2>we have to find ways to and the system cannot work.

774
00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:52.760
<v Speaker 2>The whole thing falls apart if the popular will of

775
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:57.039
<v Speaker 2>the people is denied because of a handful of justices

776
00:37:57.039 --> 00:37:58.800
<v Speaker 2>who are put on the court by Donald Trump, a

777
00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:02.000
<v Speaker 2>guy who only won the popular vote once. Over the

778
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<v Speaker 2>course of you know, they're still ruling this way decades later. Like,

779
00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:07.559
<v Speaker 2>we have to think really hard about how we reform

780
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:09.320
<v Speaker 2>our system and fix our democracy, and we should be

781
00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:11.519
<v Speaker 2>willing to expand political capital to do that.

782
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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think we should run on that message right now,

784
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<v Speaker 2>That's not what I'm arguing, But I think when we're

785
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<v Speaker 2>in power, we have to look at that very seriously.

786
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<v Speaker 1>Well. But I also think there's an expectation setting here

787
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:26.000
<v Speaker 1>too that I think is a challenge because we just

788
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<v Speaker 1>talked about and you just talked about sort of jerrymandering

789
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<v Speaker 1>or redrawing maps. If we have a trifecta in a

790
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<v Speaker 1>blue state and like the same breath as you know,

791
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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court expansion, right, And I think that we have

792
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<v Speaker 1>to divide all of these reforms into reforms that we

793
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<v Speaker 1>can do because we have power now in certain places,

794
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<v Speaker 1>and reforms that we can only do if we a

795
00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:54.960
<v Speaker 1>mass power that is much more power than we have

796
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<v Speaker 1>right now.

797
00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:57.079
<v Speaker 2>Which we can only do if we do the We

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<v Speaker 2>can only do the latter if we do the former.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, right, well, that's also true. I mean they go

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<v Speaker 1>hand in hand. But like you know, you really can't

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<v Speaker 1>blame any Blue states right now for except for Maryland.

802
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<v Speaker 1>This this one guy in Maryland who's like the state

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<v Speaker 1>Senate president I think, yeah, who has refused to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>So as of right now in the calendar, like he's

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<v Speaker 1>the only one who's not doing what he could do

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<v Speaker 1>with the power that they have in Maryland. Right then

807
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<v Speaker 1>you sort of wonder, like if you're looking back and

808
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<v Speaker 1>it's too late now, but could Illinois have done redistrict

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<v Speaker 1>in this time around if they jumped on it maybe

810
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<v Speaker 1>like did Pritzker make a mistake there? I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why they didn't do it, but like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's too late now, but like that

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<v Speaker 1>was one state Colorado too, Like did they miss the

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<v Speaker 1>miss the chance on this? I do think there's a series.

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<v Speaker 1>And then New York. I think there was like more

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<v Speaker 1>of a legal thing. But look for between now and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty eight. You think I get yet New York,

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<v Speaker 1>you got Illinois?

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<v Speaker 2>I think you got.

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<v Speaker 1>Wisconsin maybe, which is gonna be tougher because there's a

821
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<v Speaker 1>Republican legislature there, But I don't know what Evers can do.

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<v Speaker 1>Or Pennsylvania is an option, Pennsylvania is an option, Colorado

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<v Speaker 1>will be an option.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Maryland, Pennsylvania, Oregon, Colorado, New York, New Jersey maybe. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I may be missing. Well, there's a list

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<v Speaker 2>of state I think you'll get you well over a

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<v Speaker 2>dozen new seats.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and so all that, all those all those states

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<v Speaker 1>got to move, for sure, And if they don't move,

830
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<v Speaker 1>then they deserve all the pressure and all the criticism

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<v Speaker 1>that they have coming to them for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>This is hard because what happens sometimes when you redraw

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<v Speaker 2>the districts is you take these compacted districts that off

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<v Speaker 2>that are largely their urban districts, usually made up of

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<v Speaker 2>a large segment of the black population they have, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you you basically do the reverse of what Republicans do,

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<v Speaker 2>which and then you divide that district in several ways

838
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<v Speaker 2>and put some of those black voters into the into

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<v Speaker 2>these these swing districts and make them more democratic. And

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<v Speaker 2>you do and this is one of the things that

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<v Speaker 2>has even New York has already set who already been

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<v Speaker 2>reporting that New York may not take a maximus approach

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<v Speaker 2>to this in twenty twenty eight because there's fear that

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<v Speaker 2>will reduce New York's black representation in Congress. So we

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<v Speaker 2>really have to wrestle with that and figure that out.

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<v Speaker 2>But ultimately it's not good for anyone if Republicans just

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<v Speaker 2>call control Congress add infinitum, because we don't draw the

848
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<v Speaker 2>districts in the right way. Yeah, because you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>you guys are doing the math on Tuesday's podcast, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and I like, the political environment still suggest

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats will take the majority, but this is a historically

852
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<v Speaker 2>good political environment. We're not going to have that every time.

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<v Speaker 2>And if we can only have the House when the

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<v Speaker 2>president is at the Republican president's at thirty eight percent

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<v Speaker 2>and saying insane shit all the time while involved in

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<v Speaker 2>it protracted more in the Middle East, we're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to have the House that often, which means we're not

858
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<v Speaker 2>going to govern that often. It reduces the chance that

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<v Speaker 2>a democratic president has a governing trifect to actually get

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<v Speaker 2>shit done.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I was, I was doing the math

862
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<v Speaker 1>on this before we started, and I looked at the

863
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<v Speaker 1>cook political and you tell me if my calculation is

864
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<v Speaker 1>wrong on this. But if we if Democrats win all

865
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<v Speaker 1>the toss ups and all the lean ours, which is

866
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<v Speaker 1>pretty be pretty good. But like in a big blue

867
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<v Speaker 1>you know, that means we get thirteen seats, We flip

868
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<v Speaker 1>thirteen seats. And for that I was saying that if

869
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<v Speaker 1>that's if Republicans then win all the likely ours and

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<v Speaker 1>all the solid rs. And of course there are now

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<v Speaker 1>some blue seats in solid R and likely are because

872
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<v Speaker 1>of the because of the redistricting. But so like winning

873
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<v Speaker 1>all the toss ups and all the lean ours and

874
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<v Speaker 1>only netting thirteen seats is like not, it's not great.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't win all the lean rs and all the

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<v Speaker 2>toss ups in twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Eighteen, right exactly, so it'd have to be a better

878
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<v Speaker 1>environment than twenty eighteen, which it might be. But like

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<v Speaker 1>still now to your to the broader national reforms, which

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<v Speaker 1>again like we are not going to win this on

881
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<v Speaker 1>a long term, on a state by state basis, Like

882
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<v Speaker 1>you have to have national reforms. National reforms the only

883
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<v Speaker 1>way now you know, federal legislation is the only way

884
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<v Speaker 1>to stop jerry mandering everywhere it's the only way to

885
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<v Speaker 1>change the electoral College, it's the only way to change

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<v Speaker 1>the Supreme Court. And in order to do that, it

887
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<v Speaker 1>really comes down to, like, can we field candidates that

888
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<v Speaker 1>win Senate seats in this cycle at least Alaska, Texas, Iowa, Ohio.

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<v Speaker 1>And people might say, oh, those are some hard states.

890
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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't get easier than those doesn't get easy. And

891
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<v Speaker 1>so if we're fielding candidates who can't figure out a

892
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<v Speaker 1>way to win in those states, and we're not focused

893
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<v Speaker 1>on how to win in those states, then no one

894
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<v Speaker 1>should be talking about all the other reforms because they're

895
00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:23.360
<v Speaker 1>never going to get done. And one thing I do

896
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<v Speaker 1>worry about is that for people who don't pay those

897
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<v Speaker 1>attention to politics, they're like, well, why won't the Democrats

898
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<v Speaker 1>pack the court? Why won't the Democrats do this? Why

899
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<v Speaker 1>want the Democrats do this? Well, they can't because we

900
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<v Speaker 1>didn't win the Senate, and we didn't win the Senate

901
00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:36.079
<v Speaker 1>because we couldn't have a can We didn't get a

902
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<v Speaker 1>candidate who could win Texas or could win Iowa, or

903
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:41.639
<v Speaker 1>so I only say that to tell people that, like,

904
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<v Speaker 1>we really have to focus on winning very difficult states,

905
00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:47.880
<v Speaker 1>which we have a good chance of doing this in

906
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:51.079
<v Speaker 1>this environment with these candidates Mary Peltola and Alaska and

907
00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:54.159
<v Speaker 1>James Hillerico in Texas. You can go on and on,

908
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<v Speaker 1>but like those are the kind of those are the

909
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<v Speaker 1>states that aren't just nice to win, like we have

910
00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:01.519
<v Speaker 1>to win if we ever hope to have these national reforms.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a longer conversation and it's a quite depressing conversation

912
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<v Speaker 2>about the state of the Senate map because if you

913
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<v Speaker 2>sort of look at it.

914
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<v Speaker 1>But it's like that's everything. That's all the stuff we're

915
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<v Speaker 1>talking about, all the anger over the vs. The Voting

916
00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:15.920
<v Speaker 1>Rights Act and the Supreme Court, all this shit, it

917
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<v Speaker 1>all comes down to the Senate.

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<v Speaker 2>Nop and I mean exactly right. And so if you

919
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<v Speaker 2>look at the Senate map, I'm doing this off the

920
00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:25.119
<v Speaker 2>top of my head, but there are only two Republicans

921
00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:29.960
<v Speaker 2>in states like in set remaining in truly swing states,

922
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:34.039
<v Speaker 2>and it's Ron Johnson and Wisconsin and Dave McCormick in Pennsylvania. Yep.

923
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:36.519
<v Speaker 2>Because we have both senators in Michigan, we have both

924
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<v Speaker 2>senators in Arizona, we have both senators in Georgia.

925
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<v Speaker 1>And it's like, and this is the map in twenty

926
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<v Speaker 1>twenty six, where we are expanding into Alaska. This is

927
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<v Speaker 1>why I think Mary Potola's race is so important. Like

928
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<v Speaker 1>if we can now put Alaska in the column, then

929
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<v Speaker 1>perhaps then if Murkowski retires at some point, maybe we

930
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<v Speaker 1>can get the other seat there.

931
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<v Speaker 2>So now we have that.

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<v Speaker 1>But like it's it's everyone's looking at Texas, like, oh,

933
00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Democrats always they always dream about Texas, but it never happens,

934
00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:03.599
<v Speaker 1>and it's a lot it's really expensive. So it was like, well,

935
00:45:03.719 --> 00:45:04.960
<v Speaker 1>there's not a lot of other options.

936
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, like we're.

937
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<v Speaker 1>Going to have to win Texas if we hope to

938
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<v Speaker 1>survive as a democracy. Fortunately in Florida too, Like I mean,

939
00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:15.760
<v Speaker 1>this is just unless we want a bunch of liberals

940
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<v Speaker 1>move into Wyoming and fucking Montana.

941
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<v Speaker 2>Which honestly, it's the highest leverage play that Democrats could do.

942
00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:27.480
<v Speaker 2>Them just to move to Wyoming, move fifty thousand, one

943
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<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand Californians to look Jackson's beautiful there to Wyoming,

944
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<v Speaker 2>do it after the twenty thirty census is completed, so

945
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<v Speaker 2>that we don't lose even more electoral votes, and then go.

946
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a you know what, No, hey, you know

947
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<v Speaker 1>what this was a no bad ideas brainstorm there.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there could have been bad ideas, but there weren't.

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<v Speaker 1>At least well, that's what we're gonna call it, that

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<v Speaker 1>they could be bad ideas in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we do want do we want the administration

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<v Speaker 1>one of the architects of the redistricting strategy, Trump political

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<v Speaker 2>He plans to capitalize on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Seems like that's a play for social media to get

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, how do you think Democrats should be prepared to

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to give a quasi organic plug on a

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<v Speaker 1>was moderating for a couple house candidates in this cycle,

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<v Speaker 1>and and they're in the you know, the red to

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<v Speaker 1>we to try to get advice. And I'm like, oh gosh, now,

1053
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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, we gonna We're gonna make sure we get

1054
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<v Speaker 1>some no if we can't have too many no bad

1055
00:51:02.119 --> 00:51:06.039
<v Speaker 1>ideas brainstorms here. But our friend Dan here doesn't just

1056
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:08.840
<v Speaker 1>spout off ideas on the pod. He's going to write

1057
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:12.440
<v Speaker 1>them down in memos, precisely for candidates like this who

1058
00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:16.360
<v Speaker 1>can't afford to hire fancy consultants. But Dan can provide

1059
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:19.519
<v Speaker 1>his wisdom in written form to all of you who

1060
00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:21.719
<v Speaker 1>are running for office, especially and that's our house candidates.

1061
00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:23.679
<v Speaker 1>What about people whore running for like local office and

1062
00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:27.760
<v Speaker 1>races that are even smaller than that, and and and

1063
00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:29.840
<v Speaker 1>they definitely can't afford to have these consultants. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's a fantastic service that you're doing this. I

1065
00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:34.079
<v Speaker 1>think it's very much needed. And if you are someone

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00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:35.840
<v Speaker 1>who's running for office out there or working for someone

1067
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:37.519
<v Speaker 1>who's running for office and think this would be a

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00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:39.559
<v Speaker 1>very very valuable use of your money.

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<v Speaker 2>Well thank you for that double on quasi organic pluck.

1070
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<v Speaker 2>But now now I ask your original question.

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00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:48.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I forgot, forgot I ask the question.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's the question relates to James Blair. Yes, woke

1073
00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:57.000
<v Speaker 2>week and way too liberal, that's it. And so basically,

1074
00:51:57.119 --> 00:52:00.880
<v Speaker 2>what James Blair is doing here other than just puffing

1075
00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:04.480
<v Speaker 2>his chest in a political interview, is trying to rerun

1076
00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:07.000
<v Speaker 2>the twenty twenty four strategy in twenty twenty six. Now

1077
00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:09.280
<v Speaker 2>I have bad news for mister Blair. Is not twenty

1078
00:52:09.320 --> 00:52:11.960
<v Speaker 2>twenty four anymore. The world has changed. His views of

1079
00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:15.519
<v Speaker 2>Trump have changed. In twenty twenty four, Trump was seen

1080
00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:17.639
<v Speaker 2>as strong. I'm seen as much stronger than Biden, much

1081
00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:20.840
<v Speaker 2>stronger than Kamala Harris. Democrats were seen as the extreme

1082
00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:25.039
<v Speaker 2>party that has flipped. Pluralities of voters now described Trump's

1083
00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:28.559
<v Speaker 2>leadership as weak. There's a Tip poll from last week

1084
00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:30.800
<v Speaker 2>which shows that a large number of Independence describe his

1085
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:33.400
<v Speaker 2>leadership as week. He has not seen as a strong

1086
00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:37.159
<v Speaker 2>man anymore, in part because he is doddling around out there.

1087
00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:39.599
<v Speaker 2>He's not getting anything done, he's sleeping at events. He

1088
00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:41.880
<v Speaker 2>just seems distracted enough. He doesn't seem like a strong

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00:52:41.960 --> 00:52:44.000
<v Speaker 2>figure because he promised to take on the system and

1090
00:52:44.039 --> 00:52:47.800
<v Speaker 2>he really didn't do any of that. And even while

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying the Democrats have we are associated with

1092
00:52:51.079 --> 00:52:55.000
<v Speaker 2>American flags, baseball, and apple pie right now, but voters now,

1093
00:52:55.079 --> 00:52:56.920
<v Speaker 2>because of the way Trump is governed, voters now see

1094
00:52:56.920 --> 00:52:59.719
<v Speaker 2>the Republican Party is more extreme In the Cook Political

1095
00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:03.760
<v Speaker 2>Report poll of the thirty two battleground districts, more voters

1096
00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:07.639
<v Speaker 2>are worried about Republican extremism than Democratic extremism. So, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that this that this strategy can't have

1098
00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:13.239
<v Speaker 2>some some effect. It can. It's more likely to have

1099
00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:16.119
<v Speaker 2>an effect in ginning up GEOP turnout then persuading swing voters,

1100
00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:20.000
<v Speaker 2>but it is not. Maybe it's the only strategy available

1101
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:22.519
<v Speaker 2>to them with a president with these approval ratings, saying

1102
00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:24.559
<v Speaker 2>on the dumb shitty saying, but it's not necessarily a

1103
00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:25.280
<v Speaker 2>winning strategy.

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<v Speaker 1>You get one of these attacks if you're running in

1105
00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:31.000
<v Speaker 1>a Senate race or a house race, run a bunch

1106
00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:33.360
<v Speaker 1>of ads that you, you know, some crazy position you've

1107
00:53:33.400 --> 00:53:36.679
<v Speaker 1>taken in the past, and you're weak and you're two

1108
00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:39.079
<v Speaker 1>woke and all that kind of shit. Do you how

1109
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:42.320
<v Speaker 1>do you respond? You respond to the attack, you ignore

1110
00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:46.599
<v Speaker 1>the attack, or you do the They're just doing this

1111
00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:49.239
<v Speaker 1>because they have nothing to say about the fact that

1112
00:53:49.280 --> 00:53:52.440
<v Speaker 1>you can't afford gas and rent and your mortgage.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't do that last one. But I think the

1114
00:53:56.880 --> 00:54:01.039
<v Speaker 2>way to think about this is they we're six months

1115
00:54:01.039 --> 00:54:02.880
<v Speaker 2>from the election, there aren't really adds on the air.

1116
00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:05.239
<v Speaker 2>In any of these races. They've told us what the

1117
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:07.199
<v Speaker 2>plan is, so you can prepare for it. So you

1118
00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:10.280
<v Speaker 2>spend that between now and then inoculating yourself against that attack.

1119
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<v Speaker 2>And there are a couple of ways to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>One is, this is an attack on generic Democrats. Don't

1121
00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:18.480
<v Speaker 2>be a generic Democrat. Find ways to separate yourself from

1122
00:54:18.559 --> 00:54:21.159
<v Speaker 2>the party. You can do that going to the middle.

1123
00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:23.199
<v Speaker 2>You can do that, going to the left. Depending on

1124
00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:27.320
<v Speaker 2>your district, you can do that by criticizing the former president.

1125
00:54:27.320 --> 00:54:30.239
<v Speaker 2>You can do that by criticizing the leadership. Run again.

1126
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:34.360
<v Speaker 2>Be willing to run against the democratic establishment. That will

1127
00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:38.679
<v Speaker 2>help inoculate you against an attack on generic Democrats. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's one. Two is the way you demonstrate strength is

1129
00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:46.440
<v Speaker 2>not trying to talk tougher on immigration or crime than Trump,

1130
00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:48.440
<v Speaker 2>although you should. Those are issues in your race. You

1131
00:54:48.440 --> 00:54:51.639
<v Speaker 2>should have positions on them that show that you take

1132
00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:55.239
<v Speaker 2>people's concerns about them seriously. The way you show strength

1133
00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:57.480
<v Speaker 2>is to show that you are a fighter right. How

1134
00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:00.239
<v Speaker 2>you fight is more important than whether you fight after,

1135
00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:02.199
<v Speaker 2>you fight right or you fight middle. It is that

1136
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:04.480
<v Speaker 2>you are fighting for something, So look for ways to

1137
00:55:04.679 --> 00:55:08.599
<v Speaker 2>highlight that. About yourself and go on offense and attack

1138
00:55:08.679 --> 00:55:12.400
<v Speaker 2>the other side as extreme and demonstrate their extremism.

1139
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, good advice and gets more of that

1140
00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:17.639
<v Speaker 1>advice at message box per dot com. All right, while

1141
00:55:17.639 --> 00:55:20.800
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about democratic strategy, there's been some developments around

1142
00:55:20.840 --> 00:55:24.239
<v Speaker 1>the DNC autopsy report in which we have taken great interest.

1143
00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:29.159
<v Speaker 1>The chair of the DNC less so The AP reporter

1144
00:55:29.239 --> 00:55:33.119
<v Speaker 1>on Wednesday that quote, Democratic operatives have begun informal discussions

1145
00:55:33.159 --> 00:55:36.440
<v Speaker 1>about recruiting a new chair, and that senior strategists have

1146
00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:39.519
<v Speaker 1>even approached our pal, Amanda Littman, founder of Run for

1147
00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:43.440
<v Speaker 1>something about the job, though she has declined. They also interviewed.

1148
00:55:43.480 --> 00:55:46.280
<v Speaker 1>The AP also interviewed current and former party officials who

1149
00:55:46.400 --> 00:55:49.360
<v Speaker 1>defended Ken Martin said his job is safe and are

1150
00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:51.400
<v Speaker 1>apparently mad at us for asking him why he hasn't

1151
00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:54.440
<v Speaker 1>kept his promise to release the autopsy. Then on Thursday,

1152
00:55:55.000 --> 00:55:57.119
<v Speaker 1>our friends at The Bulwark published a piece from former

1153
00:55:57.199 --> 00:56:01.079
<v Speaker 1>Biden Harris deputy campaign manager Rob Flaherty titled Here's what

1154
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<v Speaker 1>I told the d n C autopsy. We've talked to

1155
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<v Speaker 1>Rob before. He's been on an offline. I feel like

1156
00:56:06.760 --> 00:56:10.280
<v Speaker 1>he's been on the pot at some point. Ye, it's

1157
00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:13.599
<v Speaker 1>a long piece, long long piece, but especially if you're

1158
00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:16.840
<v Speaker 1>working on campaigns, if you're an operative, if you're in

1159
00:56:16.920 --> 00:56:20.000
<v Speaker 1>the field, if you're volunteers. Plenty of interesting insights that

1160
00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:22.519
<v Speaker 1>we can get into, but one notable thing I want

1161
00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:26.480
<v Speaker 1>to highlight. Rob writes that his understanding of the autopsy

1162
00:56:26.559 --> 00:56:30.280
<v Speaker 1>mystery is that quote, no autopsy was released because there

1163
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<v Speaker 1>is no actual autopsy. The members of the autopsy team

1164
00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:35.880
<v Speaker 1>were in over their heads and struggle to put the

1165
00:56:35.920 --> 00:56:38.719
<v Speaker 1>thing together. What they produced was a loose summary of

1166
00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:41.440
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of interviews that were largely done without talking

1167
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<v Speaker 1>to the campaign or the big spenders.

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<v Speaker 2>End quote.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Tommy and love it and I sort of talked

1170
00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:52.360
<v Speaker 1>about this a little after the Ken Martin interview. Tommy

1171
00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:55.559
<v Speaker 1>had heard similar reports. I had heard similar reports from

1172
00:56:55.599 --> 00:56:58.880
<v Speaker 1>people from different people. So this is just more corroboration

1173
00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:03.599
<v Speaker 1>of that from Rob who was interviewed by the autopsy

1174
00:57:03.679 --> 00:57:05.599
<v Speaker 1>team and then his autopsy. We know what he told

1175
00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:10.079
<v Speaker 1>him was never win anywhere, and so he published this piece.

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<v Speaker 1>Your reactions to Rob's piece and also the continued frustrations

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<v Speaker 1>with Ken Martin and the missing autopsy.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the great title for a Hardy Voice Book.

1179
00:57:24.400 --> 00:57:30.519
<v Speaker 2>The Autopsy DNC Ken Martin conversation is so frustrating because

1180
00:57:31.519 --> 00:57:34.719
<v Speaker 2>it's very clear what happened here right like there is

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00:57:35.239 --> 00:57:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Ken Martin promised to do an autopsy. The people who

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00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:41.480
<v Speaker 2>he picked through the autopsy did a piss poor job.

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<v Speaker 2>There is no autopsy. He looked at that. What that

1184
00:57:43.840 --> 00:57:45.960
<v Speaker 2>was say we cannot release this, it would be embarrassing.

1185
00:57:46.639 --> 00:57:49.559
<v Speaker 2>And now he's under He's out there saying we can't

1186
00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:52.079
<v Speaker 2>release the autopsy, but there's no autopsy, so we can't

1187
00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:54.880
<v Speaker 2>solve the problem because what he can't do because he

1188
00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:57.519
<v Speaker 2>has not been Like the easiest thing to do would

1189
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<v Speaker 2>be to say to do it right the first time,

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<v Speaker 2>which would have been cool.

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<v Speaker 1>That's number one, Yeah, number one.

1192
00:58:03.519 --> 00:58:06.800
<v Speaker 2>Failing that, to just be honest and say it needs

1193
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:08.960
<v Speaker 2>more time, and you would have taken some shit for that,

1194
00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:11.000
<v Speaker 2>but that is better. But then to say it's finished,

1195
00:58:11.280 --> 00:58:13.239
<v Speaker 2>it's in a drawer. It's incredibly useful. Look at the

1196
00:58:13.280 --> 00:58:16.119
<v Speaker 2>playbook we use based on it, Well, will you release it? Well,

1197
00:58:16.159 --> 00:58:19.199
<v Speaker 2>we can't release it because it doesn't exist, and so

1198
00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:21.719
<v Speaker 2>we're just like it's a never anything. He's he's basically

1199
00:58:21.800 --> 00:58:23.000
<v Speaker 2>lied himself into a corner. Here.

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00:58:23.239 --> 00:58:27.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah he has. And this is what this is

1201
00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:29.599
<v Speaker 1>what's so enraging about it, because, like you said, would

1202
00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:31.519
<v Speaker 1>he have taken some shit if when they said the

1203
00:58:31.559 --> 00:58:33.800
<v Speaker 1>autopsy was going to be released he said, you know what,

1204
00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:36.880
<v Speaker 1>it's it's not ready. We need more time. You know,

1205
00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:40.400
<v Speaker 1>there's a whole Yeah. But like if I had interviewed

1206
00:58:40.480 --> 00:58:42.280
<v Speaker 1>him then and he said that to me, even if

1207
00:58:42.280 --> 00:58:44.119
<v Speaker 1>he said it to me when I interviewed him a

1208
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<v Speaker 1>couple weeks ago, if he was like, you know what,

1209
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<v Speaker 1>I know, I said, we were going to release it.

1210
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<v Speaker 2>I know people want it.

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00:58:48.800 --> 00:58:52.599
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna the midterms are coming and we're going to

1212
00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:54.519
<v Speaker 1>be working on it, and then you know, the day

1213
00:58:54.559 --> 00:58:56.679
<v Speaker 1>after the midterms we will release full one because it'll

1214
00:58:56.679 --> 00:58:58.480
<v Speaker 1>be you know, we're going to head into primary season

1215
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<v Speaker 1>then and then for campaign running for president. They can

1216
00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:02.840
<v Speaker 1>learn lessons then and we're gonna do that. I would

1217
00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:06.719
<v Speaker 1>have been like, oh, okay, cool, instead of what he's

1218
00:59:06.760 --> 00:59:08.880
<v Speaker 1>dealing with right now. And it is the thing that

1219
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:11.679
<v Speaker 1>everyone's like, oh, the autops the autopsy. Who's obsessedive the

1220
00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:14.119
<v Speaker 1>autopsy is not the fucking I mean, it is the point,

1221
00:59:14.159 --> 00:59:16.480
<v Speaker 1>because I think it is. It is very useful but

1222
00:59:16.599 --> 00:59:19.280
<v Speaker 1>it is the like the theoretically useful, but it's the

1223
00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:24.000
<v Speaker 1>dishonesty that is that is really crazy right now, and

1224
00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:27.559
<v Speaker 1>on on Rob's thing, like, so what we have here

1225
00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:30.840
<v Speaker 1>and this is Rob's thing in relation to to Ken's answers,

1226
00:59:31.360 --> 00:59:35.159
<v Speaker 1>we have a single senior Biden Harris official wrote his

1227
00:59:35.239 --> 00:59:38.559
<v Speaker 1>own autopsy that includes more info and more lessons than

1228
00:59:38.679 --> 00:59:42.920
<v Speaker 1>anything Ken Martin's DNC has released. And you know, contrary

1229
00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:44.519
<v Speaker 1>to what Ken tried to tell me, like the world

1230
00:59:44.599 --> 00:59:48.480
<v Speaker 1>hasn't ended, Democrats aren't tearing themselves apart over it. Rob

1231
00:59:48.519 --> 00:59:50.719
<v Speaker 1>writes that some of his own colleagues like disagree with

1232
00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:53.239
<v Speaker 1>some of the things that he concluded in there. Fine,

1233
00:59:53.320 --> 00:59:55.519
<v Speaker 1>they can write their own people can debate it, figure

1234
00:59:55.519 --> 00:59:57.119
<v Speaker 1>out the best way to move forward so we can win.

1235
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<v Speaker 1>We're all big boys and girls like we can all

1236
00:59:59.840 --> 01:00:01.760
<v Speaker 1>be trusted with the information. And what it seems like

1237
01:00:02.199 --> 01:00:05.320
<v Speaker 1>for every time Ken Martin talks about this and now

1238
01:00:05.440 --> 01:00:09.039
<v Speaker 1>some other DNC officials former and current that are defending him,

1239
01:00:09.159 --> 01:00:11.320
<v Speaker 1>is that like they don't believe that we should be

1240
01:00:11.400 --> 01:00:14.519
<v Speaker 1>trusted with the information. They don't think that we should

1241
01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:17.079
<v Speaker 1>have it. They they in Kemarton either things that we're

1242
01:00:17.079 --> 01:00:19.000
<v Speaker 1>stupid or that we don't deserve the full truth, and

1243
01:00:19.119 --> 01:00:21.639
<v Speaker 1>either option is completely unacceptable for the person who's running

1244
01:00:21.639 --> 01:00:23.599
<v Speaker 1>the Democratic National Committee. You know.

1245
01:00:23.840 --> 01:00:26.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's so the whole thing is just so stupid

1246
01:00:26.599 --> 01:00:28.159
<v Speaker 2>and pointless because we didn't have to be here, Like

1247
01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:30.239
<v Speaker 2>what matters? A lot of people say, like, what are

1248
01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:32.360
<v Speaker 2>you going to learn from this autopsy? But even it

1249
01:00:32.440 --> 01:00:35.719
<v Speaker 2>was perfectly done, that's to me beside the point. Yes,

1250
01:00:35.920 --> 01:00:40.559
<v Speaker 2>what bothers me about this is that the way the

1251
01:00:40.599 --> 01:00:44.199
<v Speaker 2>autopsy has been handled is indicative of the larger problems

1252
01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:47.639
<v Speaker 2>at the DNC. And you hear this from a lot

1253
01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:53.920
<v Speaker 2>of people in the party, donors, operatives, elected officials. Very

1254
01:00:53.960 --> 01:00:55.880
<v Speaker 2>few people are happy with the way things that are

1255
01:00:55.880 --> 01:00:58.239
<v Speaker 2>going to the DNC. They're not happy with how the

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<v Speaker 2>money's been spent, and I'm happy with little's being raised

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01:01:01.199 --> 01:01:03.519
<v Speaker 2>and we, like Ken Martin with you can debate all

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<v Speaker 2>the factors of it, but there is dissatisfaction. There is,

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<v Speaker 2>and there are challenges in the leadership and is formas

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01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:11.800
<v Speaker 2>a topics, So like what do you do about that?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you get a new DNC chair? I don't know,

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01:01:15.159 --> 01:01:18.159
<v Speaker 2>It's not a particularly easy thing to do. Apparently the

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<v Speaker 2>big problem is not the rules in getting rid of

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<v Speaker 2>the DNC chair. It's finding someone who will take the

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<v Speaker 2>job because the job sucks and it's very very hard,

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01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:27.760
<v Speaker 2>and Ken Martin was delt a very very very tough

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<v Speaker 2>hand with and you know, it's just the whole thing

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<v Speaker 2>is dumb.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think the problems with the DNC and the

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<v Speaker 1>lack of transparency and the dishonesty from Ken are also

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<v Speaker 1>I think emblematic of a larger issue with the Democratic establishment.

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<v Speaker 1>And this goes back to Rob's piece. Rob, who was

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<v Speaker 1>one of Biden's most senior staffers, writes in the piece,

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<v Speaker 1>quote President Biden never should have run for reelection in

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<v Speaker 1>the first place.

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<v Speaker 2>End quote.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, like credit to Rob for admitting that, and also

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<v Speaker 1>for ignoring that when he publicly made the case after

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01:02:03.719 --> 01:02:06.280
<v Speaker 1>the Biden Trump debate that Biden was still the only

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01:02:06.400 --> 01:02:09.159
<v Speaker 1>person who could beat Trump. And the rest of us

1281
01:02:09.159 --> 01:02:13.480
<v Speaker 1>who thought otherwise were you know, self important, bedwetters, self.

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01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:16.599
<v Speaker 2>Important podcasters were all civic words, and.

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01:02:16.840 --> 01:02:18.840
<v Speaker 1>I was combining to it was also and then everyone

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01:02:18.920 --> 01:02:22.239
<v Speaker 1>else is the bed wedding brigade. So beyond podcasters, anyone

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01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:26.039
<v Speaker 1>who thought that, anyone who thought that maybe that debate

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01:02:26.159 --> 01:02:28.159
<v Speaker 1>was bad and maybe Joe Biden should set aside was

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01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:30.320
<v Speaker 1>part of the bed wedding brigade, which I guess included

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01:02:30.400 --> 01:02:33.599
<v Speaker 1>most Americans and basically and robbed his credit. And the

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01:02:33.639 --> 01:02:35.719
<v Speaker 1>thing says he was basically just trying to be a

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01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:37.599
<v Speaker 1>team player because he was on the campaign. It's like,

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01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:39.880
<v Speaker 1>that's fine. But the recenting I bring that up is

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<v Speaker 1>I promise not to relitigate old beefs, but I don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do Let's do this entire section on Ken Martin

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01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:53.880
<v Speaker 2>and the guy who wrote the email that called this

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01:02:53.960 --> 01:02:57.920
<v Speaker 2>self important podcasters. But the goal is not to relitigate

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<v Speaker 2>on beat.

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<v Speaker 1>No, and this is what everyone should read, right. And

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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk about some of robs insights because

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're great, and Rob and I have talked

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01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:06.760
<v Speaker 1>about it privately, so it's not like this is the

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<v Speaker 1>first time this is happening. But I do not think

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01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:14.000
<v Speaker 1>that the Democratic establishment has fully reckoned with the magnitude

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01:03:14.079 --> 01:03:17.000
<v Speaker 1>of the credibility problem that it has with voters. And

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01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:19.159
<v Speaker 1>a big reason why is that a whole bunch of

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01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:21.840
<v Speaker 1>them tried to tell us with a straight face that

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01:03:21.960 --> 01:03:24.400
<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden was fine and the debate wasn't that bad,

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01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:26.320
<v Speaker 1>and he was still the only person who could beat

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01:03:26.360 --> 01:03:28.360
<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump. And now Ken Martin is trying to tell

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01:03:28.400 --> 01:03:31.079
<v Speaker 1>us with the state straight face that actually he has

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01:03:31.199 --> 01:03:33.559
<v Speaker 1>been releasing the lessons from twenty twenty four and we're

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01:03:33.559 --> 01:03:36.880
<v Speaker 1>all assholes for wanting the full autopsy. And the DNC's

1312
01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:41.000
<v Speaker 1>finances are totally fine. And if people in the Democratic

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01:03:41.119 --> 01:03:44.199
<v Speaker 1>establishment who work on campaigns, candidates, officials, if they want

1314
01:03:44.239 --> 01:03:46.480
<v Speaker 1>to keep doing that shit, fine, But don't be surprised

1315
01:03:46.599 --> 01:03:50.760
<v Speaker 1>when people don't believe what you say about politics. It's

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01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:55.159
<v Speaker 1>just like and like it's like there is a credibility

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01:03:55.199 --> 01:03:58.400
<v Speaker 1>problem here. And I get we've been on the inside

1318
01:03:58.440 --> 01:04:00.079
<v Speaker 1>and I get it, and you're on a team and

1319
01:04:00.199 --> 01:04:03.320
<v Speaker 1>you just you've got to like anyone who criticizes you,

1320
01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:05.400
<v Speaker 1>their bedworders and all that bullshit, but like you have

1321
01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:07.480
<v Speaker 1>to forget about the people criticizing. You have to think

1322
01:04:07.519 --> 01:04:11.119
<v Speaker 1>about beyond that what the voters think, and don't treat

1323
01:04:11.239 --> 01:04:14.199
<v Speaker 1>voters like they're stupid. Like people know when you're lying

1324
01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:18.480
<v Speaker 1>to them. Like everyone, like everyone knew that Ken Martin

1325
01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:20.719
<v Speaker 1>wasn't telling the truth in that interview. It was pretty obvious.

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01:04:21.119 --> 01:04:23.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that there's there are two different things. Yeah,

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01:04:23.719 --> 01:04:25.559
<v Speaker 2>that was the big problem. There's a different way in

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01:04:25.559 --> 01:04:27.280
<v Speaker 2>which the interview goes, where Ken Martin comes on. He

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01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:30.400
<v Speaker 2>gives his answer and is not defensive about it and

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01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:32.960
<v Speaker 2>and doesn't keep trying. He basically kept trying to tell

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01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:35.280
<v Speaker 2>you that he actually, for all intents and purposes released

1332
01:04:35.360 --> 01:04:37.960
<v Speaker 2>the autopsy, so you should stop asking about it. And

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01:04:38.119 --> 01:04:40.559
<v Speaker 2>that's that's how he ended up down this rabbit hole

1334
01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:44.119
<v Speaker 2>which you can kno get himself out of. I guess

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01:04:44.119 --> 01:04:45.239
<v Speaker 2>the only thing I would add this and if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to talk, if you want to talk about the

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01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:50.119
<v Speaker 2>recommendtions and Rob's report, which I think it is quite good,

1338
01:04:50.199 --> 01:04:52.920
<v Speaker 2>but I just think the one just to put a

1339
01:04:52.920 --> 01:04:55.199
<v Speaker 2>button on it. And I say this and with good nature,

1340
01:04:55.840 --> 01:04:59.119
<v Speaker 2>is that Rob who call this self important podcasters in

1341
01:04:59.199 --> 01:05:02.800
<v Speaker 2>that email discuss the autopsy today on his podcast.

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01:05:03.840 --> 01:05:06.639
<v Speaker 1>Which Rab is self aware enough to make jokes about,

1343
01:05:06.639 --> 01:05:09.639
<v Speaker 1>which is great. Yes, which is which is totally fine. Again,

1344
01:05:09.679 --> 01:05:12.039
<v Speaker 1>it's call us whatever the fuck you want, but it's

1345
01:05:12.039 --> 01:05:12.760
<v Speaker 1>just weird about that.

1346
01:05:12.840 --> 01:05:15.000
<v Speaker 2>The whole, the whole great for us in the long run, right.

1347
01:05:15.320 --> 01:05:18.800
<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden not stepping aside cost us all a lot, right,

1348
01:05:19.039 --> 01:05:21.159
<v Speaker 1>all of us and not forget about us, but lots

1349
01:05:21.199 --> 01:05:26.960
<v Speaker 1>of people. I'm fine, but like the whole country collectively, collectiveness,

1350
01:05:27.000 --> 01:05:29.440
<v Speaker 1>and that's what I met, Yes, collectively, And I think,

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01:05:29.679 --> 01:05:31.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, part of the autopsy is not like, oh

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01:05:31.760 --> 01:05:34.239
<v Speaker 1>well Biden's gone whatever, but it is the the Ken

1353
01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:35.800
<v Speaker 1>Martin thing. And I think the reason I was so

1354
01:05:35.880 --> 01:05:38.360
<v Speaker 1>exercised about it is that, like it was like PTSD

1355
01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:42.079
<v Speaker 1>from twenty twenty four, where the Democratic Party is like,

1356
01:05:42.239 --> 01:05:45.519
<v Speaker 1>all is fine, don't believe your eyes, everything is good here,

1357
01:05:46.039 --> 01:05:48.119
<v Speaker 1>leave it to us, we got it, and you're all

1358
01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:51.519
<v Speaker 1>you're all bedwetters. So what do you think some of

1359
01:05:51.639 --> 01:05:56.079
<v Speaker 1>some of their recommendations and insights from Rob's memo, Like

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01:05:56.159 --> 01:05:57.719
<v Speaker 1>what's what stood out at you?

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<v Speaker 2>So what I worried a little bit about just sort

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01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:03.840
<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty four lessons in general in the autopsy

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01:06:03.960 --> 01:06:07.920
<v Speaker 2>is twenty twenty four is somewhat of a black Swan event. Right.

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01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:10.480
<v Speaker 2>You have Biden, you have this older candidate who does

1365
01:06:10.559 --> 01:06:13.920
<v Speaker 2>not leave, then face plants on a debate stage, and

1366
01:06:13.920 --> 01:06:15.719
<v Speaker 2>then they just throw the vice president with one hundred

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01:06:15.719 --> 01:06:18.199
<v Speaker 2>seven days to go against someone like Donald Trump, who

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01:06:18.199 --> 01:06:19.239
<v Speaker 2>then gets shot in the ear.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you know, it's just you know, like every like

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01:06:22.280 --> 01:06:24.079
<v Speaker 1>a tough series of events, tough.

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01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:26.559
<v Speaker 2>Series events that are not gonna you know, knock on

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01:06:26.639 --> 01:06:30.880
<v Speaker 2>what happened again? And so like, there is this world

1373
01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:32.400
<v Speaker 2>in which you could take the wrong lessons from something

1374
01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:33.639
<v Speaker 2>like that, or you could just throw up your arms

1375
01:06:33.679 --> 01:06:35.199
<v Speaker 2>and say it was one hundred and seven days we

1376
01:06:35.280 --> 01:06:37.960
<v Speaker 2>were fucked. Inflation was high. What I thought was useful

1377
01:06:37.960 --> 01:06:40.920
<v Speaker 2>about Rob's was I think some of the lessons in

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01:06:41.039 --> 01:06:46.360
<v Speaker 2>there are useful for campaigns going forward in terms of

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01:06:46.480 --> 01:06:51.199
<v Speaker 2>how you think about communicating in this media age, Like

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01:06:51.440 --> 01:06:53.079
<v Speaker 2>even in you know, even he makes a point that

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<v Speaker 2>the campaign spent half as much on digital s on TV,

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01:06:56.599 --> 01:06:58.920
<v Speaker 2>which was a dramatic shift from twenty twenty when it

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01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:01.519
<v Speaker 2>was seventy thirty digital seventy thirty TV digital, I believe.

1384
01:07:03.360 --> 01:07:05.719
<v Speaker 2>But TV was sort of the sort of the still

1385
01:07:05.760 --> 01:07:08.559
<v Speaker 2>the dominant medium, right. It was really how it drove

1386
01:07:09.760 --> 01:07:13.639
<v Speaker 2>is where the campaigns, the messaging they truly believed in went.

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01:07:13.800 --> 01:07:16.480
<v Speaker 2>It sort of was how they thought about the campaign strategy.

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01:07:17.079 --> 01:07:20.559
<v Speaker 2>And I thought just thinking about like, you know, almost

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01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:22.639
<v Speaker 2>not not getting rid of all TV ads, but shifting

1390
01:07:22.679 --> 01:07:24.559
<v Speaker 2>the focus more digital. The one thing I thought he

1391
01:07:24.599 --> 01:07:26.719
<v Speaker 2>said the end that was very smart was and this

1392
01:07:26.840 --> 01:07:28.960
<v Speaker 2>is something that I think it's smart because I agree

1393
01:07:28.960 --> 01:07:30.320
<v Speaker 2>with it, have been arguing for it for years. Is

1394
01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:32.599
<v Speaker 2>that you have to digital. Should no longer be an

1395
01:07:32.599 --> 01:07:37.320
<v Speaker 2>apartment in a campaign. It's all digital, and I think

1396
01:07:37.440 --> 01:07:41.039
<v Speaker 2>that we really have to just think that way. And

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01:07:41.079 --> 01:07:42.480
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of very specific things about how you

1398
01:07:42.519 --> 01:07:44.840
<v Speaker 2>deal with creators and how to think about branding and

1399
01:07:44.920 --> 01:07:47.320
<v Speaker 2>all of that, and something that there are unanswerable questions

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01:07:47.320 --> 01:07:49.599
<v Speaker 2>about how and we're getting really nerd to hear how

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01:07:49.679 --> 01:07:54.599
<v Speaker 2>you think about digital persuasion in an algorithmically powered world

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01:07:54.639 --> 01:07:57.159
<v Speaker 2>that only shows people on the content they already agree with.

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01:07:57.639 --> 01:08:01.519
<v Speaker 1>Yes, we had the debate and million times throughout the

1404
01:08:01.519 --> 01:08:05.320
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four campaign about what is polling well and

1405
01:08:05.440 --> 01:08:08.679
<v Speaker 1>testing well? And the people who test these ads and

1406
01:08:08.760 --> 01:08:10.880
<v Speaker 1>they test it with like not just three hundred voters

1407
01:08:10.880 --> 01:08:13.079
<v Speaker 1>in some shitty public poll, but like thousands and thousands

1408
01:08:13.119 --> 01:08:15.079
<v Speaker 1>of voters and like with you know, and they're like,

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01:08:15.159 --> 01:08:18.359
<v Speaker 1>these are these are really great testing messages. And yet

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01:08:19.039 --> 01:08:22.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, Kamala Harris talking about fascism or this or

1411
01:08:22.199 --> 01:08:26.119
<v Speaker 1>that or brat summer all the bullshit, and Rob talks

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01:08:26.159 --> 01:08:29.079
<v Speaker 1>about this in terms of brand and I hate the

1413
01:08:29.119 --> 01:08:30.960
<v Speaker 1>word brand. It's icky, but I think it is useful

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01:08:31.039 --> 01:08:33.960
<v Speaker 1>in this context. Yeah, yeah, I get it, but he says,

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01:08:33.960 --> 01:08:35.359
<v Speaker 1>at one point, you know, we could have focused more

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01:08:35.399 --> 01:08:37.960
<v Speaker 1>on prescription drugs or whatever the top polling issue was,

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01:08:38.279 --> 01:08:40.319
<v Speaker 1>but that would have been driving a message when we

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01:08:40.359 --> 01:08:42.159
<v Speaker 1>should have been building a brand. A brand is a

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01:08:42.199 --> 01:08:44.079
<v Speaker 1>story about who you are and what you believe. That

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01:08:44.199 --> 01:08:47.359
<v Speaker 1>everything else, the ads, the organic contact, the surrogates, the

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01:08:47.439 --> 01:08:50.439
<v Speaker 1>creator appearances, the events levels up to I think this

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01:08:50.640 --> 01:08:53.720
<v Speaker 1>is I think that is so important, and I worry

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01:08:53.800 --> 01:08:56.880
<v Speaker 1>sometimes that when we and this is like I think

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01:08:57.119 --> 01:09:00.439
<v Speaker 1>a legacy of when we grew up in politics, which

1425
01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:03.000
<v Speaker 1>was like you get the polling back, you get the messaging.

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01:09:03.479 --> 01:09:05.880
<v Speaker 1>These are the top polling messages. We must get these

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01:09:05.920 --> 01:09:08.319
<v Speaker 1>messages out because they work with voters. But voters are

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01:09:08.359 --> 01:09:10.800
<v Speaker 1>never going to fucking hear these messages anymore if they

1429
01:09:10.840 --> 01:09:15.079
<v Speaker 1>are boring, if they don't tell a story about the candidate.

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01:09:15.319 --> 01:09:17.399
<v Speaker 1>Maybe they'll hear the messages, but they won't be persuasive

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01:09:17.800 --> 01:09:20.640
<v Speaker 1>as to voting for the actual candidate because they may

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01:09:20.800 --> 01:09:22.880
<v Speaker 1>like the message, but they may not like the candidate

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01:09:23.159 --> 01:09:25.680
<v Speaker 1>delivering the message, or may not trust the candidate delivering

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01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:28.840
<v Speaker 1>the message, and so everything has to level up to

1435
01:09:29.319 --> 01:09:31.840
<v Speaker 1>who is this person, what do they stand for? Why

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01:09:31.880 --> 01:09:34.760
<v Speaker 1>are they running for president? So much of what Rob's

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01:09:34.800 --> 01:09:37.119
<v Speaker 1>memo made me think is that like just the importance

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01:09:37.239 --> 01:09:39.479
<v Speaker 1>of the candidates themselves.

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01:09:39.560 --> 01:09:39.640
<v Speaker 2>Like.

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01:09:41.119 --> 01:09:44.319
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know, but like you think that's fucking obvious, Dan,

1441
01:09:44.720 --> 01:09:48.159
<v Speaker 1>but it's clearly not. It's clearly not in our party

1442
01:09:48.359 --> 01:09:51.359
<v Speaker 1>because we do all this stuff around the candidates, give

1443
01:09:51.399 --> 01:09:54.359
<v Speaker 1>them good ads, good messaging, this that the campaign staff

1444
01:09:54.399 --> 01:09:56.479
<v Speaker 1>we blame for this, that, But it's like if you don't,

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01:09:56.560 --> 01:09:59.159
<v Speaker 1>I mean, at one point he talks about he says,

1446
01:09:59.199 --> 01:10:02.880
<v Speaker 1>digital presence is a direct reflection of a candidate's brand.

1447
01:10:03.199 --> 01:10:05.560
<v Speaker 1>It's how voters come to understand who a candidate is.

1448
01:10:05.800 --> 01:10:08.399
<v Speaker 1>For this to work, the candidate needs to be actively

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01:10:08.520 --> 01:10:11.840
<v Speaker 1>engaged in the planning and execution of their social media presence.

1450
01:10:12.239 --> 01:10:15.439
<v Speaker 1>And Rob tells a story about when AOC endorse Biden.

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01:10:15.720 --> 01:10:17.960
<v Speaker 1>He like talked to AOC for like forty five minutes

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01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:22.760
<v Speaker 1>about and she had like detailed ideas about digital, about

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01:10:22.840 --> 01:10:25.760
<v Speaker 1>how she wanted her, the videos they did with her,

1454
01:10:25.880 --> 01:10:27.399
<v Speaker 1>what she wanted to say, all this kind of stuff.

1455
01:10:27.399 --> 01:10:30.079
<v Speaker 1>And then he said, when he worked for Beto back

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01:10:30.119 --> 01:10:32.359
<v Speaker 1>when Beto ran, Beto was like the same way when

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01:10:32.439 --> 01:10:34.600
<v Speaker 1>when Beto was like going viral and all that kind

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01:10:34.600 --> 01:10:37.239
<v Speaker 1>of stuff. And this is the same thing that I

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01:10:37.600 --> 01:10:40.119
<v Speaker 1>say a million times with speechwriting, right, which is like,

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01:10:41.159 --> 01:10:43.680
<v Speaker 1>because Barack Obama was so involved in his speeches and

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<v Speaker 1>because I spent enough time with him, that's the only

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<v Speaker 1>reason I was able to help him deliver good speeches.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think on a lot of campaigns the candidate

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01:10:53.479 --> 01:10:55.479
<v Speaker 1>looks to the staff and the consultants and is like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, make me a winner. And I just don't

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01:10:59.039 --> 01:11:00.880
<v Speaker 1>think you can do that now. I think if you

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<v Speaker 1>were going especially if you're going to run for president,

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01:11:03.119 --> 01:11:05.600
<v Speaker 1>you need to know exactly what you believe, exactly why

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01:11:05.640 --> 01:11:07.079
<v Speaker 1>you want to be president, and you need to be

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01:11:07.119 --> 01:11:10.319
<v Speaker 1>able to communicate that, if not first to the American people,

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<v Speaker 1>to at least your staff on a regular basis.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just don't think that has happened in a while.

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01:11:15.640 --> 01:11:17.800
<v Speaker 2>This has been an unpopular suggestion that I often offered

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01:11:17.800 --> 01:11:20.039
<v Speaker 2>a candidate's when I talk to him, and this tries

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01:11:20.039 --> 01:11:21.640
<v Speaker 2>the staff fucking bananas. But if you were thinking of

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01:11:21.720 --> 01:11:24.319
<v Speaker 2>running for president right now, and you do not have

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01:11:25.159 --> 01:11:29.039
<v Speaker 2>TikTok Instagram on your phone and you're not going to

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01:11:29.159 --> 01:11:32.079
<v Speaker 2>YouTube and just watching it, then you should not run.

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01:11:32.720 --> 01:11:34.079
<v Speaker 2>And maybe you want to put on a burner becase

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01:11:34.079 --> 01:11:36.199
<v Speaker 2>you don't necessarily want the Chinese government Sociallarry Elson to

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01:11:36.199 --> 01:11:38.399
<v Speaker 2>have all your shit. But point bing is you have

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01:11:38.680 --> 01:11:43.159
<v Speaker 2>to be you have to be fluent in the language

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01:11:44.039 --> 01:11:46.960
<v Speaker 2>of today's media ecosystem to understand it. And it can't

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<v Speaker 2>just be that you're you know, Rob makes this in

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01:11:48.680 --> 01:11:50.479
<v Speaker 2>the point, You can't. It can't just be that your

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01:11:50.520 --> 01:11:54.199
<v Speaker 2>staff walks in and gives you a quick five minute

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01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:55.880
<v Speaker 2>briefing and a memo on what you're supposed to do

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01:11:55.960 --> 01:11:59.920
<v Speaker 2>because you don't understand it. When they relaunched the hqbak

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01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:02.319
<v Speaker 2>out as Headquarters or whatever it is now, that was

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01:12:02.359 --> 01:12:05.159
<v Speaker 2>the Kamlay HQ and Kamala Harris did this briefing, she

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01:12:05.239 --> 01:12:08.239
<v Speaker 2>did a video for it. She clearly had no idea

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01:12:08.279 --> 01:12:09.439
<v Speaker 2>what it was or what it was going to do.

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<v Speaker 1>But that is unfortunately, that is a lot of Kamala

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<v Speaker 1>Harris's appearances.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you have to swim in the sometimes very rough

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01:12:16.520 --> 01:12:19.039
<v Speaker 2>and dirty seas of today's Internet to be able to

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01:12:19.159 --> 01:12:19.880
<v Speaker 2>truly communicate.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to say when you said, sit down

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<v Speaker 1>and make sure you have all those on your phone. Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the other thing you need to do is

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<v Speaker 1>before you even meet with your advisors. Like, and this

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01:12:27.720 --> 01:12:31.159
<v Speaker 1>sounds maybe cheesy and a little antiquated, but I don't know,

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01:12:31.399 --> 01:12:33.880
<v Speaker 1>write down, type out why you want to be president,

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01:12:34.119 --> 01:12:35.800
<v Speaker 1>what you want to do. Do you have a few

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01:12:35.840 --> 01:12:39.720
<v Speaker 1>big ideas, like actual big ideas, not like I want

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01:12:39.760 --> 01:12:43.760
<v Speaker 1>to grow the middle class. I want I want to

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01:12:43.840 --> 01:12:44.840
<v Speaker 1>bring down costs?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>No, like like people didn't like it. It was controversial.

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01:12:48.199 --> 01:12:50.159
<v Speaker 1>Everyone knew what it was. By the end, freeze the

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01:12:50.199 --> 01:12:54.479
<v Speaker 1>rent free public buses like like, uh, if you want

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01:12:54.520 --> 01:12:57.159
<v Speaker 1>someone more moderate, Gretchen Whitmer when she was running in Michigan,

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01:12:57.359 --> 01:13:01.000
<v Speaker 1>fix the damn roads, right, Like, just pick fucking something

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01:13:01.079 --> 01:13:02.960
<v Speaker 1>that you actually want to do that you will be

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01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:05.239
<v Speaker 1>able to talk about and communicate about in an authentic

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01:13:05.359 --> 01:13:07.640
<v Speaker 1>way on all of those platforms that you are also

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01:13:07.720 --> 01:13:09.039
<v Speaker 1>watching because they're on your phone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you do not know why you're running, you

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01:13:11.279 --> 01:13:14.239
<v Speaker 2>can't answer that. What the what is known once known

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01:13:14.239 --> 01:13:17.439
<v Speaker 2>as the Ted Kennedy question because he failed to answer it. Yeah,

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01:13:17.960 --> 01:13:20.800
<v Speaker 2>in the eighty race, then you shouldn't run but then

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01:13:20.920 --> 01:13:22.560
<v Speaker 2>then all the time will tik. That's not gonna help you.

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01:13:23.840 --> 01:13:28.159
<v Speaker 1>Then you're just consuming content, You're just doom scrolling. Anyway,

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01:13:28.359 --> 01:13:30.880
<v Speaker 1>go read it. It's at the bulwark. I'm glad Rob

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01:13:30.960 --> 01:13:33.159
<v Speaker 1>did it. Good for him, and other people should do

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01:13:33.199 --> 01:13:34.399
<v Speaker 1>the same, because I guess we're not going to get

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<v Speaker 1>it out of the DNC. All right, one last story

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<v Speaker 1>before we go. The new gold statue of Donald Trump

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01:13:39.720 --> 01:13:42.640
<v Speaker 1>that was gifted to the president by crypto grifters and

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01:13:42.800 --> 01:13:46.479
<v Speaker 1>blessed by his spiritual advisor and pastor, who has repeatedly

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01:13:46.560 --> 01:13:49.960
<v Speaker 1>claimed that quote, this is not a golden calf, but

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01:13:50.119 --> 01:13:53.279
<v Speaker 1>rather a symbol of resilience and gratitude to God for

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01:13:53.399 --> 01:13:57.920
<v Speaker 1>sparing Trump's life from a sniper's bullet in Butler, all

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01:13:57.960 --> 01:14:00.000
<v Speaker 1>of that is real. That is a real thing that happened.

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01:14:00.079 --> 01:14:02.720
<v Speaker 1>And earlier in the week, Trump himself couldn't make it

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<v Speaker 1>to the statue dedication, which was I believe it his

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01:14:06.000 --> 01:14:09.640
<v Speaker 1>durl golf Club, but he did call into the ceremony

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<v Speaker 1>with this observation.

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<v Speaker 4>It's everybody who's taking pictures of it, everybody who's people

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01:14:14.960 --> 01:14:17.079
<v Speaker 4>told me that it's unbelievable.

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01:14:17.079 --> 01:14:18.680
<v Speaker 2>All day long, they're taking pictures.

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01:14:18.760 --> 01:14:21.079
<v Speaker 4>They stand up next to it and they have been

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01:14:21.159 --> 01:14:21.840
<v Speaker 4>picture taking.

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<v Speaker 1>It is unbelievable. He is correct about that. I would

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01:14:25.039 --> 01:14:28.520
<v Speaker 1>definitely take a picture next to it. The Palm Beach

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01:14:28.560 --> 01:14:30.920
<v Speaker 1>Post interviewed a bunch of PGA pros who were at

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01:14:30.960 --> 01:14:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Durrell for a tournament. Best response, it's big and gold

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01:14:34.840 --> 01:14:36.720
<v Speaker 1>about all I got. It's his place. He can do

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01:14:36.760 --> 01:14:37.399
<v Speaker 1>whatever he wants.

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01:14:39.560 --> 01:14:41.560
<v Speaker 2>I guess that's true. It's big and gold. He can

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01:14:41.600 --> 01:14:42.279
<v Speaker 2>do whatever he wants.

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01:14:43.840 --> 01:14:45.239
<v Speaker 1>What did you think of this one?

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01:14:46.079 --> 01:14:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Just so fucking weird. It's so weird, Like I want

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01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:52.000
<v Speaker 2>every person in America to see this, like it is

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01:14:52.039 --> 01:14:55.399
<v Speaker 2>a just the idea that the president just I want

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01:14:55.439 --> 01:14:57.520
<v Speaker 2>you to think about this for a second. We're at war,

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01:14:58.039 --> 01:15:01.880
<v Speaker 2>prices are high, going great. Generally, presidents, even in the

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01:15:01.960 --> 01:15:04.720
<v Speaker 2>best of times, are pretty busy. So there's a scheduling meeting.

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01:15:05.119 --> 01:15:07.119
<v Speaker 2>They talk about the things the president could do. And remember,

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01:15:07.119 --> 01:15:10.720
<v Speaker 2>when you're scheduling Trump, you have to scheduled around six

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01:15:10.760 --> 01:15:11.680
<v Speaker 2>to eight hours.

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01:15:11.439 --> 01:15:14.880
<v Speaker 1>Of Fox News viewing and truth socially and truth.

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01:15:14.920 --> 01:15:17.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, the true Schols really happens after working hours when

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01:15:17.279 --> 01:15:20.239
<v Speaker 2>he might be sleep and you decide this request comes

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01:15:20.880 --> 01:15:22.279
<v Speaker 2>and you're like, you know what could be good use

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01:15:22.279 --> 01:15:23.680
<v Speaker 2>to the president's time. You know what wouldn't be fucking

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01:15:23.680 --> 01:15:26.000
<v Speaker 2>weird at all? You know what would not would definitely

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01:15:26.039 --> 01:15:28.840
<v Speaker 2>be good politics and not at all contribute to the

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01:15:28.880 --> 01:15:30.880
<v Speaker 2>idea that he's a narcissist who cares only about himself.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's have him call into the ceremony about the gold

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01:15:35.560 --> 01:15:39.359
<v Speaker 2>statue delivered from God of the President at his golf club.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so many parts of the story are funny. They like,

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01:15:45.279 --> 01:15:48.520
<v Speaker 1>the people who did the statue, created the statue, used

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01:15:48.560 --> 01:15:51.880
<v Speaker 1>it to sell a mean coin called Patriot Coin. This

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01:15:52.279 --> 01:15:55.279
<v Speaker 1>is the crypto time. And then the pastor, who's a

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01:15:55.359 --> 01:15:57.199
<v Speaker 1>hit I guess, became his spiritual advisor.

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<v Speaker 2>I just did itat doing a bang up job of that.

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01:16:02.760 --> 01:16:06.279
<v Speaker 1>Sign me up. Just did an Isaac Chottner interview, which,

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01:16:06.880 --> 01:16:13.439
<v Speaker 1>oh man, he asked him, like, how'd you get into this?

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01:16:13.520 --> 01:16:15.279
<v Speaker 1>How'd you get to become a Trump supporter? And he

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01:16:15.359 --> 01:16:17.680
<v Speaker 1>said so early on, I was there and the Lord

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01:16:17.760 --> 01:16:20.000
<v Speaker 1>told me. Then the first thing the Lord told me

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01:16:20.439 --> 01:16:22.760
<v Speaker 1>was to show the world that this man's not racist.

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01:16:30.520 --> 01:16:34.399
<v Speaker 1>And then and then at the end Isaac asim asks

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01:16:34.439 --> 01:16:37.880
<v Speaker 1>them about the the ai image of Jesus and what

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01:16:38.000 --> 01:16:40.399
<v Speaker 1>he thought about that. And he said, well, again, I

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01:16:40.479 --> 01:16:41.720
<v Speaker 1>was one of the first people to reach out to

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01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:43.640
<v Speaker 1>the president and say that was bad. Please take that

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01:16:43.680 --> 01:16:45.920
<v Speaker 1>down as fast as possible. And Isac said, what did

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01:16:45.960 --> 01:16:48.199
<v Speaker 1>he say? He said he thought it was a doctor,

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01:16:48.319 --> 01:16:52.439
<v Speaker 1>but again he's no theologian. And then Isaac says, I'm

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01:16:52.520 --> 01:16:54.439
<v Speaker 1>not a theologian and I knew it wasn't a doctor.

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01:16:54.640 --> 01:16:57.039
<v Speaker 1>And the pastor just goes great, great.

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<v Speaker 2>So good. So I'm so glad we can last still laugh.

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01:17:02.319 --> 01:17:04.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, just throw the statue up there with

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01:17:04.399 --> 01:17:06.640
<v Speaker 1>the ballroom in the arch and the four hundred million

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01:17:06.640 --> 01:17:09.920
<v Speaker 1>dollar Katari jet and the ten billion dollars he's putting

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01:17:09.920 --> 01:17:11.279
<v Speaker 1>in his pocket from the irs.

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<v Speaker 2>Just oh good, free idea for democratic tatro consultants is

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01:17:15.199 --> 01:17:16.279
<v Speaker 2>of all a little ai so.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, follow your local cot your pearls.

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01:17:19.520 --> 01:17:19.680
<v Speaker 3>Well.

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01:17:19.760 --> 01:17:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Also, it is illegal in some states, but we need images,

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01:17:23.119 --> 01:17:25.199
<v Speaker 2>and maybe it's mean you just need a fucking photoshop.

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01:17:26.600 --> 01:17:30.000
<v Speaker 2>You just need images of vulnerable Republicans worshiping at the

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01:17:30.039 --> 01:17:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Trump statue. It's a good idea, I think Jade Vance

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01:17:34.960 --> 01:17:37.760
<v Speaker 2>and or Marcot Rubio and you know what, not even

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01:17:37.800 --> 01:17:39.239
<v Speaker 2>message back pro that shit's free.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it is now you just said it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not putting this behind the paywall. Lucky you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, that's our show for today and uh, in

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<v Speaker 1>case you want more Dan and more great advice, He's

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<v Speaker 1>back in your Feet on Sunday with our pal David Axelrod.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait for that episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Excited.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a good weekend, everyone by Everyone Podsive America is

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<v Speaker 1>a Crooked media production. Our show is produced by Austin Fisher,

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<v Speaker 1>Saul Ruben, McKenna Roberts, and Ferris Safari, with Ree Cherlin,

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<v Speaker 1>Elijah Cone and Adrian Hill. Our team includes Matt de Groate,

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