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TV one, O four five ESPN Baton Rouge.
Speaker 2: Trust me, trust me, menafoon.
Speaker 3: We're really talking about important stuff there, So I apologize.
Speaker 2: But you got to hear a good song for a
little bit longer. I don't remember who sings it.
Speaker 4: The yeah yeah yeah every time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then we say that every time she tells
them he will love the name of that.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 3: I mean that's a little too violent for me. No, No,
it's just violent enough. Actually, got chilled, just got chill,
your head rolling off thinking about other people's heads, rolling heads.
Speaker 2: Will roll this Sundever, you don't ever like y'all, don't
ever just like.
Speaker 3: You know one time, be like, man, I wish I
could just spear that person right in the chest, have
murderous thoughts. No, I said, spear like you're like tackle
like I mean a lot you played softball at a
high level. You know what I mean, Like man, like
I wish.
Speaker 5: I could just always wanted to hurt somebody with this
person just truck a catcher sliding in something.
Speaker 3: Like the Goldberg spear, Yes, like after you talk about yes,
but like I won't like instead of like Goldberg would
put his head to the side, like I want the
crown of my forehead like right there in the start.
Speaker 6: Yeah, when you first said it, we had just talked
about heads were on the decapitation. Then you said you
wanted to spear somebody in the chest. I thought you
meant like with the actual spirit. No, that's on me. Yeah, yeah,
I mean with the actual spirit. No, I've never thought
about that. Yeah, like tackling somebody like Goldberg.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't cradle their head either. No, I ain't doing that.
I want the head to hit first. Dabbo low Clemson.
Speaker 2: Wait, who did you yell at in the in his
uh Tylor Tylor from spartan Burg Tyler?
Speaker 7: He still is Tyler? Pretty sure he won out the
rest of that season after the.
Speaker 2: Tyler's one iss aft.
Speaker 3: When it comes to a little decapitation, just a little bit,
not a lot, I agree, just a little decapitation, all
the still watching him, still deep into the rewatch of
Game of Thrones.
Speaker 6: They don't really care about children's feelings in that show. No,
we're past drop off. We can talk about this now
eight oh four. Oh yeah, it's already dropped off.
Speaker 3: No, it's not one of those shows where it's like, yeah,
you know that character is going to stay alive because
he's a certain age.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, you can't. Can't trust that. I can't trust that.
Speaker 3: You can't trust the OTB Top twenty five though, and
right now we are going to get the fourth ranked team.
But let me tell you how we got there. Fund's
favorite because he wants a graphic. There's no graphic. We
got to do this. We gotta work it is Boise
stated twenty five, Memphis at twenty four, Baylor at three,
Georgia Tech at twenty two, Tennessee at twenty one, Iowa
State at twenty, Texas eighty four at nineteen, Indiana at eighteen,
Ole Miss at seventeen, Florida at sixteen, Texas Tech at fifteen,
SMU at fourteen, Arizona State at thirteen, Alabama at twelve,
Miami at eleven, Illinois at ten Texas at nine, Oregon
at eight, Notre Dame at seven, Georgia at six, South
Carolina at number five, and the number four team in
the OTB Top twenty five.
Speaker 7: Taytay, Yeah, going again because somebody on Monday screwed up
the order. It's not important. We're not gonna name names.
But uh yeah, here we are with the fourth team
in the country. We are going with the Penn State
Nitney Lyons. They were going to be on number fourteam
in the country. The white out, that is not a
white out.
Speaker 8: We're good.
Speaker 7: Look we got Tree Dolor coming back at quarterback. Now
everyone's going to say the same thing. Hey, there was
a playoff game where he didn't complete a pass through
receive and I've heard the pushback. Okay, well that's not
gonna happen again this year. I still have major question
marks on who they have a receiver. They brought in
a few transfers, they get a couple guys coming back,
like Khalil Dinkins, but you lose Tyler Warren. That was
your key piece in the passing game on the offense
a year ago. Now you still have the best running
back duo in the entire country. Nick Singleton K Tron Allen.
They're going to be the focal point of your offense
once again. Five starters back on defense, but five offensive
linemen with starting experience returning for this team, So that
good running back duo they're gonna be running behind a
heck of an offensive line. Drew Aller could do just enough.
This team is right where you want them to be. Also,
when you look at their schedule plays out well for
the most part. Three layups out the Gate, Nevada, Florida International,
and Villanova.
Speaker 2: All those games are at home.
Speaker 7: Now you do play number seven Oregon, but we talked
about them a couple of weeks ago. There's some question
marks on that program on the offensive side of the ball,
and you get them in Happy Valley, your first road
game against the UCLA Penn State are probably going to
be favored in that.
Speaker 2: Then you go to Northwestern.
Speaker 7: Iowa, you go to Ohio State, but you don't have
to win that game if you're undefeated when you get there.
Then just one more ranked opponent, number twenty Indiana that
you also get at home close out the season, Michigan
State and Nebraska Rutgers. So only three ranked teams right now,
on Penn State schedule, two of which are at home,
so by and large, not a terrible schedule for the
Nidney Lions.
Speaker 2: I got them at number four.
Speaker 3: Yeah, y'all were so worried about the SEC and how
many conference games they played, and you played nine and
they played eight, but they also played eight with having
to play a Power four opponent in the non con
and so it brought that total to nine games. Now
they're going to play nine and also have that game
when Penn State. Your non con schedule is Nevada FIU
and Villa Nova. And we ain't talking about on the hardwood.
We're talkingalking about on the grid iron. Okay, what is
the that's the softest, Saul. If I'm, oh my gosh,
if I'm a Penn State fan, I'm not paying a
dollar to go to Nevada f i U or Villa Nova.
Speaker 8: And then they got where they play against Oregon.
Speaker 7: At home for the FIU game, you would have to
pay eleven dollars, because that's that's eleven dollars.
Speaker 2: To think about it. I think there's a lot of
people out there that would love that schedule. Oh my god, schedule.
Speaker 8: There's some people in this building.
Speaker 3: They're like, that's what I want, that's what we want,
That's exactly what we want.
Speaker 2: God, villain Nova.
Speaker 3: I'd rather jump in a tank full of hammerhead sharks.
Speaker 4: Gross, you see LA that schedule in l A.
Speaker 8: Rather get in the cage with Mike the Tiger than
play that schedule.
Speaker 2: That's gross. That's soft. It's speared randomly by a stranger.
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably me with CT So I apologize, But my god,
what emotion does any of.
Speaker 6: That create based on that alone? Border There's no way
they win a big game, no shot. They want to
be like that.
Speaker 2: They prove it, they prove it. Can you beat Indiana?
That's all you gotta do?
Speaker 8: Well, you can lose.
Speaker 2: You're gonna lose the playoffs. They're going to lose in
the playoffs. If I'm saying to get in, you could
lose to Oregon anyways, meets the road, they're toast.
Speaker 3: I mean, how are you how are you going to
be ready for Oregon when you've got Nevada, f i
U and Villanova.
Speaker 6: Well f IU is very hydrated, so they're going to
present a challenge, especially in the fourth quarter, and their
calves aren't cramping right.
Speaker 3: Uh, let's see tea palace out to buy you four chat.
Didn't know Villanova had a football team. They're FCS team
like that. Yeah, we're not talking about Josh Hart and
Brunson on the court.
Speaker 2: I'm about the football team.
Speaker 7: And we always talk about the three game stretch for
every team, like they kind of doesn't have one. I mean,
I guess if you want to go Iowa, Ohio State, Indiana.
But again, Jake, they got a bye week between Iowa
and Ohio State, so they got a bye week before
Oregon and a bye week.
Speaker 2: Before Ohio State.
Speaker 7: Like soft, you're at Iowa, but then bye week at
Ohio State at home against Indiana. It's not your toughest
three game stretch. I mean, two ranked opponents, but you
have a bye week in between. They don't really have
a tough three game stretch.
Speaker 6: That team does not walk onto an airplane till October
third for the October fourth football game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a long flight.
Speaker 6: How about that we have to go to Los angele As, California.
Speaker 3: That team is also in Los Angeles, as coach Foster
would tell us, the.
Speaker 6: Other one them, there's two of them in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: Did we watch his press conference this year. I did.
I heard he totally redeemed him. Yeah, he actually did.
Speaker 8: Well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, should we play it word for word? No, we
should not.
Speaker 8: We should not.
Speaker 3: So we've only got three teams left to rank in
the OTB Top twenty five.
Speaker 8: Flynn is going to give you number three.
Speaker 3: I'm going to give you number two, and Elandra is
going to give you number one.
Speaker 8: So tomorrow Flynn gives you three.
Speaker 3: On Friday, we'll both give two and also number one
teams in the basic Official College Football Poll.
Speaker 4: And Michigan isn't on the list yet.
Speaker 2: So Michigan. Yeah, word that a Laundre just mentioned yet.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Michigan there.
Speaker 2: Yeah for coming Bryce Underwood season. Baby. Yeah. Connor Stallions
has been training up some folks. You could ban.
Speaker 7: Portnoy from Ohio State, but you can't ban him from
the o t be Top twenty five.
Speaker 2: Maybe, Oh yeah, I still him.
Speaker 3: Portannoy tooking it like that video you sent my god five.
Speaker 8: I was so with you, Laudre.
Speaker 3: You're like, I saw five minutes too, and I wasn't
going to I'm sorry that until Flynn said something about
big Bob, Big tim Bob, that's my guy.
Speaker 5: Like I con't even scrub through it to try to
find Bobby half in.
Speaker 2: And stopped, so he ended up taking a shot at him,
but he ended up did saying.
Speaker 3: He was right, yeah, but the shot he's like, and
then you got Bobby Carpenter and he's like going on,
like obviously knows who he is, and he's like, oh,
I think he played like linebacker there or something I
don't know.
Speaker 8: And then he goes on he's like.
Speaker 3: Uh, Bobby is Bobby, right, Bobby whatever, and then he
keeps going on. It's like you've said it right twice
and then he calls him Robbie Carpenter and he's like, oh,
I'm sorry, I mean like Bobby. It was like, oh
my gosh, this is the bit you're going with. It's like,
you know exactly who Bobby is. Bobby played for the Patriots,
that's your favorite team.
Speaker 2: It was a first round pick from the team that
you hate the most.
Speaker 6: I think, you know how, I actually don't mind that
banner between teams like that between like play.
Speaker 8: The delivery's got to be much better.
Speaker 6: Yeah. So yeah, that was the big news of Ohio Sate.
Trying to say yesterday, I think the A D came
out and publicly said we did not be in him
and Fortnoy had take to the take to the video,
the selfie video and besides the calling out Bobby Carbon
and part I thought, you know, I usually like most
of the stuff for Portnoyd.
Speaker 2: Does you can't call out big tim Bob, that's our guy.
Speaker 8: But outside of that, I like the video fold you
know me, I can't.
Speaker 2: But he did say Ohio State did not or did
indeed ban him and his show from coming up there
despite what the ad said, which is pretty soft. That's
objectively speaking like.
Speaker 3: You as a as a gritty guy, sounds like his
side over Bobby's.
Speaker 2: It feels like here he did say Bobby was right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and he took a shot his podcast though. Yeah,
but any any press is good for ass. It's probably
good for his podcast, probably right. You think about He's
got millions and millions and millions Bobby followers and views.
Speaker 2: Bobby might actually be on the show with me later today.
I can't wait to ask him about Bob.
Speaker 6: There's no way Bobby's mad about it, because he's like, yeah,
millions of people now know of my podcast. So if
there wasn't people listening now they are. Does he have
a podcast or is he just on that media here?
Speaker 3: He has one, Yeah, with Anthony Schlegel, who also played
linebacker for those Ohio States.
Speaker 6: That was the best thing that could happen for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but still like you think you just said it
to Bobby in person. No, but I'm pretty sure they
probably like each other in person. You think.
Speaker 6: Let's see what callt him Robbie. That's that's what you
do when you talk trash of somebody mispronounced their name.
It's disrespectful. It's great, Okay, all right, Matt mock See
I get it all the time.
Speaker 2: Phase me. That's what I call arch Manning. Arch Manning.
Well you do. It's fun.
Speaker 3: Taking Portnoy's side. That's weird flex all right. Campus t fretto.
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We've got would you rather Wednesday?
Speaker 8: Stay locked in here to one oh four.
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Speaker 3: The perfect time to go for doses anytime, but certainly
one of the peak times is the fall. As we
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh, it's Wednesday, hump day. Hump day.
Speaker 6: Beers are delicious. Get you over the hump of the
week a little bit. We're about to start to tell
gate man, we got game one. Get fired up, get ready,
we got the pre You're gonna have the pregame party
at your house. You're gonna be tailgating after game whatever.
Make sure if you drink beer, it's going to be
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Speaker 1: Balls sling locked in on LSU Football twenty four to seven.
You're listening to off the Bench, So what.
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Speaker 4: Let me one of them.
Speaker 3: I'm even here on.
Speaker 2: The double Vision.
Speaker 9: I was seeing us on a walk this game with
you know very well, watch gone, I am walking.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: Welcome back here O TV one four five, ESPN ban Rouge.
Speaker 8: Always a pleasure to welcome on. Our next guess is
our guy doctor.
Speaker 3: Steven after it, who joins us now to break down
all the injuries going on across the grid iron. Also
just talk about some things that are, well, they're gonna
pop up in the future. They are going to happen.
They we don't like that they're going to happen, but
it's in absolutes. That's just the way that it is.
Speaker 8: DOC.
Speaker 3: How we doing doing good? How about y'all doing fantastic?
I'm sure this is you know, Wednesday before high school,
college and kind of everything gets started, maybe the last
time that you get to take a actual deep breath
before maybe January.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's honest, it's about to get a real busy
moving forward. Oh yeah, your job.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're gonna get pretty busy. I mean, it's a
sports so whether it's serious or not. I mean, there's
gonna be some shoulders, there's gonna be some ankles, some knees.
There's gonna be something that you're gonna be pushing and
pulling on.
Speaker 8: Oh, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 2: What's the most common camp injury?
Speaker 8: I mean, sawt tissue, tissue, hamstring.
Speaker 10: If I had to probably pick one, it's just I
feel like every year we know we're gonna have some
ham strings, you get some calve strains, back issues, but
definitely the soft tissue, the strains, the sprains, all that stuff.
Speaker 3: North Turner once told me I wasn't fast enough to
pull my hamstring?
Speaker 2: Is that true?
Speaker 8: It's usually a fast person injury. It is.
Speaker 2: All right, now that was a truth. Did you ever
have a hamstring injury?
Speaker 3: Well, that's what I saying. Like, I like my fast guy,
my my rookie year. I was running like a little
skinny post out of a plane, f out of the slot.
I remember that kind of grabbing and it's like, you know,
I kind of got felt like I got shot in
the hamstring and I remember grabbing it. And Nor was like, haster,
come on, you not fast enough to pull your hamstring
off the field.
Speaker 2: And I'm like you, sir, rookie, I don't know.
Speaker 8: That's usually where we see it. I will say there
are exceptions there.
Speaker 2: But I mean I'll talk about that with the Saints
all time.
Speaker 3: Like Rashid Shahid, like he is a true elite speed guy,
like one of the fastest guys in the NFL, and
it feels like, man, it always pops up for him.
It's like hamstring or that soft tissue that you're talking about,
because it's almost like the human body is not supposed
to be that fast.
Speaker 8: I think that's it.
Speaker 10: I mean, I mean there are things that I think
we talked about it some last week, how some of
these injuries like Achilles, these guys are bigger and faster,
and again, as he comes down to like I said
last week, there's a lot of physics, and you put
so much force on a structure, eventually it might give.
Speaker 6: All right, dos, So we were trying to discuss, like
I think you heard us talk after you left last week,
we started talking about like the biologic like injections. So
we started talking like PRP stem cells, and I want
to kind of like educate our listeners and our viewers
right now a little bit about what all that means,
Like tell us give us just like a brief breakdown
of PRP injections and then stem cell injection. What the
like the real difference between the two is, Yeah, it's
you know, it's a really big topic.
Speaker 10: I think you know, if you listen on the radio,
if you don't podcast, if you watch TV, you're gonna
hear something about it. If you're looking into sports medicine
and all the things we're doing. Is something that's really
really grown a lot, especially if you like this past
five to ten years and there's a lot of information,
and like everything, there's some good information bad information, you know,
when we're talking about any of these injections, there what
are kind of referred to as biologic injections or sometimes
regenerative medicine. And at the end of the day, though,
really what we're trying to do is upregulate your body's
own ability to heal and recover. And there's a lot
of debate onto where these are appicle when do we
use them. I do feel like we're getting a lot
better at kind of understanding that, but there's still a
lot of data lacking, just to be fair. PRP is
probably the one that's the most common. It stands for
plate the rich plasma. It's an injection that's really been
around almost twenty years and in far as far as
muscar skeletal medicine, give or take a little bit, but
it really is kind of kind of found a place
here these past several years. Like I was saying, but
we literally just draw your own blood, we spin it down,
we take a portion of the blood that's got some platelets,
and we inject that. And the way I talk about
PRP is if you think about a platelet it's like
the body's first responder. Yeah, so you have an platelets respond,
but sometimes if you have an injury, especially a kind
of a chronic lingering injury, the body sort of slows
down that recovery process.
Speaker 8: So we kind of just try to upregulate it.
Speaker 10: We inject that into the area of the injury, and
then that kind of works to help stimulate healing and
recovery in that area. Stem cells whole nother direction stem cells.
The principle is the same. You know, what I talked
about a lot of my patients is you have basically
a balance in the body between antabolic and catabolic.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 10: So antabolic is the healing recovery and catabolic is the
breaking down of tissue, and you need both of those things.
But with stem cells, there's some information where we're saying, hey,
you know, we're gonna inject these stem cells. They're going
to go grow your new tissue, and not exactly accurate.
We can do that in a lab, but if I'm
injecting into your body, that's not exactly what's happening, which
is probably a good thing too, because you know, if
we inject it into your knee, how do I know
what that's going to turn into if so, the original
idea kind of scared a lot of people. But the
reality is, just like the PRP, what the stem cell
does is it releases a lot of these different you know,
growth stimulating hormones, peptides, natural anti inflammatory sided kinds, all
these different biologic things that help your body heal and recover.
That's really where they work, you know, and they've proven
me pretty powerful. Now there's a lot of debate. When
can you use them, how can use them? What's approved
in the United States. There's a lot of different topics there.
How do you get them? Are they your stem cells
or they donor stim cells? And you can really open
a can of worms when you start going down that.
But it is something in sports medicine that's being used
more and more. It's just again finding the right place,
what can we do here and all of that.
Speaker 3: And PRP can be obviously that's a quicker process than
stem cell. I mean you mentioned like PRP like that's
kind of that that can be done in a pretty
timely manner.
Speaker 10: Right, So, so with the PRP injection, you know you
can do that. You know we can do it in
the clinic.
Speaker 8: You can do it.
Speaker 10: You know that the facilities, you know, the training rooms
and places like that. You know, we're very fortunate, you
know with the things we do here with LSU, with
the things that we do with some of our athletes
that come.
Speaker 2: To see us.
Speaker 8: We have a lot of great resources.
Speaker 10: I know, for those of y'all seeing the facility, I
know y'all been out there, how much amazing seeing things
we were able to do out there, and some of
them are we can do some of these injections. We're lucky.
We have great partnerships with some of our community partners.
You know, our lay of the Lake has been good
with donating a lot of money, resources and things like that.
You know, they're their partnership with l s U that
allows us to probably do a lot of things that
we wouldn't be able to do uh in other settings.
And you know, the guys don't have to leave the facility,
so we can do it there. With the stem cell
products kind of I know y'all talked about.
Speaker 8: Some of your experiences.
Speaker 10: If you're using your own, it's it's either going in
and taking a little fat, taking a little bone marrow bone. Mary,
you got a drill into the hips so that's definitely
a more invasive procedure. Drill into my hip bone please, Yeah,
and that that you know, so that does have a
little more downtime. There are you know, ways you can
use amniotic source products as well, though, and that's something
that you know, it's not as an FDA approved treatment,
so I think it's important people understand that, but it
is something that is done.
Speaker 8: It is done here in the United States.
Speaker 10: It's just you know, you have to kind of enter
into everything and those products they're frozen, so that's a
little bit more quick.
Speaker 8: Of a process. So that is something that has sometimes
done as well.
Speaker 2: It's explained that type of price it amniotic, right.
Speaker 10: Right, So that so I think it's important to separate
what's the difference between amniotic and embryonic. Embryonic is when
it's taken from fetal tissues that will involves some type
of an abortion that is not done in the United States,
that is not legal, that one is not done. But
amniotic means at the time of a C section, they're
going to take some of the either umbilical or amniotic tissue,
they're able to concentrate that down and then they freeze it,
you know, using some you know, sub freezer negative eighty degrees,
and then those products are sometimes used. Now again they're
going to stimulate healing and recovery, they're not going to
grow new tissue, and I do think it's.
Speaker 8: Important to have that separation.
Speaker 10: But it is a process that that it can also
be pretty quick because you're not having to go in
and drill a hole in the hip or do anything else,
so you can do those injections. There's a lot of
other products out there. There's a product called exosomes there.
It's even a more refined version. And like I said,
I don't want to go too far down the rabbit hole.
It's I guess sit here and literally talk about this
for hours. It's something that's really really interesting that I
personally have a passion for something.
Speaker 8: That we do a lot of. But there are you know,
there are issues there and we have to address those
as well.
Speaker 3: Do you remember do you remember the first injury that
really kind of started us having you on hanging with hester.
It was in vogue and now I just don't hear
about it at all.
Speaker 10: See was it the I know we talked about some
planner fascist stuff and about high ankles.
Speaker 2: It was the tightrope the tightrope You're right, that's right.
Speaker 8: It was because Tua Tongue about Loa.
Speaker 3: I was twenty nineteen and he had the tightrope surgery
and they were going to play against LSU, and then
like it became something whereas like you saw it, you know,
just felt like every week it was like somebody major
was having the tightrope proceed Like where's that at right now?
Is that something you'll still see? Is it as common
or was that just something we never heard before? So
it kind of you know, blew up on the scene
because it was a star player, and then it felt
like everybody was getting it.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think, honestly, I think probably the latter it
is still something we do. I will say, maybe a
little bit less in vogue, you know, I think taking
a step back, you know, the question is do you
have to have the procedure?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 8: And then why are we doing it?
Speaker 10: Because sometimes in that scenario it was clearly something where
look like we're trying to get somebody back quicker, and
that's not necessarily a bad thing if it's safe.
Speaker 8: You know, obviously, our goal is always get you.
Speaker 10: On the field as quickly as possible, but obviously safety first,
you know, we don't want to put somebody harm's way,
and I think that was some of the concerns people
had early on, you know, the average person. There are
scenarios where the tightrope is definitely an applicable procedure if
it's a really, really bad ankle injury. But a lot
of times it's just you know, hey, let's boot you up,
let's do some rehab, let's give it time, and this
would heal. You know, if I had that same injury
that too had, I probably would not have a tightrope done. Yeah,
I'm not trying to go out and run you know,
next week, right, So it is still something we do,
I think, you know, we're kind of trying to really
refine when and where we do it. You know, maybe
at some point we were a little too aggressive. In
the sports medicine world, it's hard to say I don't
fault in anything that was done.
Speaker 2: Like does it okay offensive linemen?
Speaker 8: Speed guy? Skill guy?
Speaker 3: Like does it matter like position wise? Because like is
it more torque because this guy is a bigger guy?
Like what like when you've seen it work and you've
seen it actually helped the athletes, like, does it matter
size wise and position?
Speaker 2: Not?
Speaker 10: Not really, not really, I think I think it really
comes down to, honestly, the biggest thing and the most
important thing is your physical exam. I can remember a
scenario where we were evaluating two players that played the
same position, bigger guys, uh, you know, front seven guys. Yeah,
and the evaluation was very different, even though they had
a very similar MURA. We had one guy who literally
could not raise up onto his foot, He could not
raise up onto his toes, like for several days after
the injury.
Speaker 8: The other athlete could.
Speaker 10: And just something as significant as can I raise up
on my toes might be where we make that separation.
But we've we've seen the surgery and quarterbacks obviously, wide receivers,
deepensive lineman, offensive lineman, and and again the bigger the individual,
you know, maybe a little bit slower recovery. Sometimes you
put more force on it, but realistically it's mostly your
physical exam.
Speaker 2: TALC.
Speaker 6: We go back a little bit. I want to I
want to go back to the stem cell stuck. We
got a good question here in the chat that I
thought you talked about a lot of the stem cells
that comes from the like the umbilical of a C
section after after their child is born, Like when they
freeze that tissue, does any of the tissue matter? Is
that the freezing process destroy anything for the transportation?
Speaker 8: It probably does. It probably does.
Speaker 10: And and and again, like I mentioned earlier, these cells,
at least what we're doing in the human body, they're
not growing anything new directly, and some of that may
be because.
Speaker 8: The frozen process.
Speaker 10: But then on the other hand, like I said, I
actually think that's a good thing. I would be very
uncomfortable injecting some sell into your knee, not knowing what's
gonna do we micro hair in your knee. So I
think I think the idea, you know, I remember somebody
told me went, oh, yeah, they know what to do
and they know where to go. And I thought that
was a really bad explanation at the time, and it
turns out that was not accurate. Now, in the beginning,
we thought maybe that was what was happening. So, yes,
you do have some damage the tissue for sure, But again,
a lot of these these growth mediators are they do survive,
and they've done a lot of testing in the both
in the lab and animal models and even human models.
Where they've shown they can do some pretty cool things.
They can definitely help the body healing.
Speaker 6: And like a very explain it to me, like I'm
a child, What is a shoe themselves? What is a
stem cell?
Speaker 10: So stem cells are and there's some different types of
sin cells. You have your flury, potent, multipotent, and all
these different things that you'll hear, but basically it's the
cell that's the building block of everything. So when we
start off as just a group of cells, basically we
are a group of stem cells, and then those stem
cells can differentiate into other cells. So our skin cells
are our gut tissue, our muscle tissue, our bone tissue
all started off at stem cells, and if you go
back far enough during the developmental phase, they were all
the same type of stem cell. And then those stem
cells differentiate into what you see in your body now,
the skin, the muscle, the bone. So all it is
is a cell that can turn into anything, and that's
why the potential there is so awesome. You have the
cell that you can maybe grow new tissue with and
that's you know, one area that a lot of us thing,
maybe medicine is going Maybe one day we'll be able
to grow you a new meniscus in a jar and
then put.
Speaker 8: It in your knee when you need it and things
like that.
Speaker 10: Let me Yeah, and again we're not there, and I
think that's something that I think I'd love to see,
but we may never get there. You know, we're still
figuring all this stuff out, just to be very fair,
but you know, the potentials are there, and there have
been some scenarios where they have used them and been
able to do some pretty cool stuff.
Speaker 2: All right, before we let you go Dtor afterwards.
Speaker 3: I know you obviously can't talk specific players, but BK
did say everybody available ready to go. That that sounds
like that's good news. So it feels like not going,
not going? What a very healthy training camp?
Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, and again I never want to do
se thing. I guess we're through training camp now, so
we can say the training camp was very healthy.
Speaker 8: To make sure that we say we are now in
any camp. Yes, we are now in our in season preparations.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 10: And there's always things like we were talking about there,
there's gonna be some stuff and and unfortunately some years
more than others, and some your significant injuries.
Speaker 8: Uh, I will say the staff that we have.
Speaker 10: Now, they've done a really good job of kind of
monitoring the temperature of the team. They really do a
good job commune with the training staff and the medical
staff and and just making sure that we're not doing
too much. And I will say they're they're very on
on the pulse of that issue. So they've done a
really good job with it. But we're still gonna see
stuff here and there, and that's just part of it.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: There he is, doctor Stephen, Thatdridge good enough to join
us here on OTB. Doc, We appreciate your time as always,
and uh I will see you. Let's see Friday getting
on an airplane heading to Clemson, South Carolina. Let's go
looking forward to it. All right, we will take a
break more OTB coming back your way, little would you
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Speaker 8: Would you rather Wednesday.
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Speaker 4: I like it?
Speaker 2: Boom, suck it, Clemson going down. You're gonna fall down
that hill, Dabbo face plant, torn a c l.
Speaker 4: The heat, it was the heat of the moment came out.
Speaker 6: I want to step on their throat. Dabo is gonna
need themselves Andrew falls down that hill.
Speaker 8: Would you rather.
Speaker 3: In the background it would you rather sit in baton
rouge traffic on Nicholson after an LSU game, or get
stuck on it in over the basin at rush hour
chaff fly of basin, by the way, in case you
didn't know, Chols chaff fly basin.
Speaker 2: If you're stuck there, it is misery.
Speaker 3: It is one of the worst things that can happen
to you, because there's nowhere to go. If I'm stuck
on Nicholson, you know what, Sometimes I'm gonna pull off
to the shoulder right here, and I'm just you can
do a gas station.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something real quick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can pull into the Matherns parking lot. You know,
maybe Windy's is open or something. Chaff fly basin, you
stuck bo.
Speaker 2: At least you're close to home. You can feel it
since home, since home. If you get mad enough, you're like,
you know what, I'm walking.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've certainly done that before. You're like, man, once
I get past ben Her, it's clear.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I h twenty nineteen, just did the post game,
and I forget what the situation was, but I got
dropped off at the game. Did the game, blah blah blah,
And we looked very close to the stadium and they
wouldn't allow Katie to get to me.
Speaker 8: They just like wouldn't do it. I couldn't get there.
Speaker 3: And it was like the first time they'd ever shut
off this way to get to the stadium atter of
the game because something something right. And so I'm like,
I'm walking, I live, i live, like two and a
half miles, three miles, I'm walking right, the cars zooming
past me whatever, and one zoom passed. Man, It's like,
hes the hell you doing? I look back and it
was Clyde Edwards Layer.
Speaker 2: It's like, man, get in the car. What are you doing.
Speaker 8: I was like, I'm walking home.
Speaker 2: You mean, tired of sitting here and tired of waiting.
Speaker 3: I mean I was like, sweat, just pouring sweat, just
that madly I'm walking.
Speaker 8: So I don't, no, well I did.
Speaker 3: I was like, absolutely, I would not advise trying to
walk in the heat after working the game all day,
even if you are second.
Speaker 6: Traffic champing the the chat here, I said, who's stuck
on the base for ten hours?
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Also when I'm on a.
Speaker 6: Bridge, like the intrusive thoughts take ever, sometimes I'm like,
you know, man made this, God didn't make those.
Speaker 2: This could collapse at any moment. I think that every
time I go to port Allen, every time, at least
I ten bridge is pretty good. Yeah, never think that
when I'm on the ten bridge. All right? Would you rather?
Speaker 6: Would you rather be born and live your life one
hundred years in the past or one hundred years in
the future past you don't have the knowledge you don't
have Like, you can't you can't be like Biff from
Back to the Future, like Gambers, Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 2: You can't do that.
Speaker 3: Okay, So would I rather live Let's say in nineteen prohibition.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be okay, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Man, Oh wait a minute, Like you wouldn't want to
do that. You'd be you'd be fighting age.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but that's when that's what forty forty is fighting age.
Speaker 2: No, you'd be born in nineteen twenty five.
Speaker 3: Oh sure, I'm not a forty I'm not a forty
year old at this point. I'm born in nineteen twelve.
So I'm in World War two. Yeah, you're in fight nature.
Speaker 6: Oh no, man, I mean one hundred years in the future,
he could be like turn fighting them robics.
Speaker 3: I mean, everybody used to like dress up and you know,
styling and profile and every day. It's the grittiest. I
think it was the grittiest generation, the greatest. I don't
really think it's a question, well it's the greatest. I
think it's the grittiest too. I'm going back. I'm not
going the future. I don't know what that looks like.
I know what the past looks like, and it's gritty,
So give me the past.
Speaker 7: I always say future, but yeah, I'm going past, Like,
I don't want to know what the future looks like
one hundred years from now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I just have a just respect for
some good old fashioned ass kicking patriot.
Speaker 2: Let's go back.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go back to the past because for some reason,
the future just seems very.
Speaker 4: Dystopian and bleak to me, and a lot more depressing.
Speaker 5: That's how I see it, whereas like in the past,
we were very optimistic about things. Also, nineteen twenty five
art Deco, Gatsby.
Speaker 4: All of that. Speaky blinders, speaky blinders.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but in fairness, most people never like see that
art because they didn't have any way to see it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but maybe I did.
Speaker 2: We don't know, it's right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the future seems scary. I think I kind of
get depressed when I think about the movie Wally.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's what I imagine.
Speaker 6: Just sitting there watching screens the whole time. Yea, somewhere
in outer space, no.
Speaker 8: Bo, give me a little.
Speaker 2: I gotta feel a paper boy hat, some suspenders.
Speaker 6: No people, you're gonna feeling. People in one hundred years
aren't gonna be quite as gritty.
Speaker 8: Not now.
Speaker 2: They for sure aren't gonna be like right now. That's
where you have to protect Mike Alstott at all costs.
We would dominate people in one hundred years for sure.
Dominate him right now? Yeah, in their faces? Yeah, like Clemson.
Speaker 5: Yeah all right, Elandra, would you rather have your life
narrated by Morgan Freeman or Samuel L.
Speaker 4: Jackson? I feel like my vibe is more Samuel.
Speaker 8: Yes, Samuel Morgan.
Speaker 2: So I mean that's that's a good one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Morgan elite, maybe the goat of narration.
Speaker 2: But the intrigue of having Samuel L.
Speaker 3: Jackson go off script m probably is gonna be worth it.
Speaker 2: I'm going to Samuel Man can drop an F word
better than anybody.
Speaker 3: It's it's a talent. It's a talent and if you
if you force it, if you force a bit just
doesn't hit the same night when it just rolls off
the tongue in the right way, in the right manner,
the right presentation. He's got it at an elite level, yeah, Samuel, Yeah,
he'd be, he'd be funnier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he'd be. I mean that that'd be the like
the birth grade. But like he's more unexpected. Pretty good
with him. I know, I know what I'm gidding with
Morgan Freeman, and it's great.
Speaker 3: But yeah, not that it's it's est here, but the
unexpected It's like you know when you're watching the game
show with someone with Wayne Brady.
Speaker 2: When you get whose line is it? No, that's a
good one.
Speaker 4: Well where they're dressed up and stuff, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And you get to choose, right something, do you want
this boat over here to the left or do you
want the mystery box? It could be a boat, but
it could be anything. That's from Family Guy. What's Wayne
Brady's show?
Speaker 6: I don't really remember them, but that scene is specifically
from Family Guy.
Speaker 4: That's make it.
Speaker 8: Let's make a deal. There we go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, oh, man, Samuel l could be he
could be a boat, but he also could be a
yacht go there, so kind of.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's from Family Got Peter Guys like you
want the mystery box or a boat? And Peter Griffin's like,
I'll take the mystery box. It could be a boat.
Speaker 8: Uh, going the lines?
Speaker 2: All right? All right?
Speaker 7: With a labor day coming up, everybody's last beach of
lake trips coming up?
Speaker 2: Would you rather learn how to surf or water ski?
Speaker 4: Water seems so much more fun to me.
Speaker 3: Water skiing is it's easy to accessible, like wagboarding is
harder than skiing.
Speaker 2: Where are you gonna go surfing.
Speaker 7: I think sing though, just because like it looks cool,
Like you see there's a dude driving, Like there's six waves.
Speaker 6: You look way cooler. It's kind of like, well, it's
not like that at all, but like opportunity. I went
in for the first time a couple of years ago.
I never did it when I was in my playing years.
I didn't want to like rip my money off, like
training camp. I don't want to rip my leg off,
and it's like, do you want a snowboard or do
you want to ski? Snowboarding looks way cooler, but I
knew it was Skiing was a passive path of least resistance.
I could get on the skis and go down a
hill quicker. You wouldn't take as much training. And I
don't do it very often.
Speaker 2: Like when you're gonna surf, you're gonna go to Hawaii
and California, then nobody can go.
Speaker 3: You can go in the Carolinas too, bo, nobody's going there, bro.
Do you even shred the arms?
Speaker 2: Portugal?
Speaker 6: Hey, we were at uh my brother in law got
married in Portugal a couple of years ago, and I
just Portugal. It's pretty not that expensive place to go fantastic.
Uh So there's this place it's called Nazar. I think
it's the biggest surf waves in the whole entire world.
Speaker 2: I know you're talking about. So we went there and
like saw these waves and it was like terrifying.
Speaker 6: But he would he was getting like jet ski jet
ski out.
Speaker 2: That's what I say. I felt like a less number
of people know how to serve. How probably picked that one?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, when you're gonna do it, though, shread the door.
Almost keep doing this. Almost got decapitated surfing. The one
time I went surfing, I was in Hawaii. Lot did
the capitation talk today. I was in Hawaii. My buddy
was in the Pro Bowl. We went there, went to
support him for a couple of days. Invited us out there.
Speaker 2: I mean, we knew it, wouldn't you. So I went
to the Pro Bowl, no point at there. Clock went
to the Pro Bowl and I went surfing.
Speaker 6: We're like they were in surf lessons and they were like,
do you want to are you a beginner? Have you
ever done it? And because you go to like this
kiddie pool and we're like, no, we we've served before.
Speaker 2: Let's go it.
Speaker 6: Take us out to this whitle area and uh, I
fall off my surfboard and the wave threw the surfboard
right over my head. But I'd seen a video like
a year before of a guy getting hit in the
head of the surfboard. Yeah, I saw that video play
out of my head and I ducked. As soon as
I ducked surfboard right over my head. We almost didn't
have matrix the.
Speaker 2: Capitation.
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