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<v Speaker 1>In the last episode of Wicked and Grim, we discussed

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<v Speaker 1>part one of Ruby Rich. Today we expand further and

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<v Speaker 1>dive into part two.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to

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<v Speaker 2>Wicked and Grim, a true crime podcast. Warning.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast and material intended for a mature audience

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<v Speaker 1>listener discription. I want to start off and just let

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<v Speaker 1>everyone know there may be some noises from our MIC's today.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a new micro our phone stands and are

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get used to them. So if you hear

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<v Speaker 1>things like this, we're sorry. We are very sorry. We're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get used to them. We will do our

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<v Speaker 1>best to make absolutely no noise with them.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like, well they're tabletop MIC's, so they're I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like a little bit more sensitive too.

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<v Speaker 1>They are. Yeah, So where we got these so we

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<v Speaker 1>can actually get ready to record the episodes for video

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<v Speaker 1>and put them up on YouTube. So this way our

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<v Speaker 1>MIC's are out of our face.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so yeah, that we're we're getting really close.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna be recording some episodes here and we'll let

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<v Speaker 1>you know when it's available over on YouTube. If you

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<v Speaker 1>want to go subscribe early feel free to check it out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Wicked Life link down below. We're doing blogs and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff over there too. So yeah, we also got to

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<v Speaker 1>thank some patrons.

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<v Speaker 2>We do.

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<v Speaker 1>We have two to thank, we do so we have

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Burrow and Julia Schroeder.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome, Thank you guys, Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>We both signed up and are getting that extra behind

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<v Speaker 1>the scenes content. We just did a little pre show

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<v Speaker 1>that we uploaded over on Patreon.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't really that little. It was like thirteen minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>fair enough.

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<v Speaker 1>When we do a pre show, our target is about

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<v Speaker 1>like ten minutes, just like a little warm up, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>checking the mic levels and just bullshit and shooting the shit.

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<v Speaker 2>We had a lot to say.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, so, I guess so, so you want to

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<v Speaker 1>go check that out. You could check it out over

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<v Speaker 1>on Patreon. But I know Nicole is really antsy.

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<v Speaker 2>I know the day has come four part two of shit.

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<v Speaker 2>I forget what's it called, like the Ruby Ridge incident? Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I probably would not have remembered that, but anyway, we

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<v Speaker 2>left kind of like at quite the scene, and this

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<v Speaker 2>has been all my mind all week.

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<v Speaker 1>We did leave it quite the scene, and apparently I

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<v Speaker 1>got in shit a few times from Nicole because this

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<v Speaker 1>has been not an easy one for her to get through.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently I had to resist the urge to look up anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you were you contemplating it maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>For like a brief second? Wow, I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm glad you didn't. I'm gonna do a little

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<v Speaker 1>quick recap, just like a like a twenty second little

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<v Speaker 1>like in your face. Here's what happened last episode. Uh So,

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<v Speaker 1>in part one, we discussed Randy Weaver and his family.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about how he and his wife, Vicki, had

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<v Speaker 1>moved to an isolated ridge which is now dubbed Ruby Ridge,

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<v Speaker 1>to live off grid and raise a family together. However,

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<v Speaker 1>despite a dispute with neighbors and an undercover FBI agent

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<v Speaker 1>who managed to course Randy into selling illegal firearms, had

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<v Speaker 1>him in quite a tough spot who was facing charges

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<v Speaker 1>and refused to work out a deal with the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>as an informant. This unfortunately led Randy to missing his

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<v Speaker 1>trial and seeking refuge in his secluded property. Authorities knew

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<v Speaker 1>Randy could be ready to fight at any moment and

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<v Speaker 1>tried to apprehend him, so by doing so, they began

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<v Speaker 1>intense surveillance and even sent a military reconnaissance team with

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<v Speaker 1>N sixteen rifles. Fully kitted up in Gillie suits. The

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<v Speaker 1>team closed in in the home a cabin perched in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of their property, and attempted to gain the

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<v Speaker 1>family dog, Striker's attention by throwing a rock. The plan worked,

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<v Speaker 1>and they got Striker's attention and now the dog along

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<v Speaker 1>with Randy, Sun, Sammy, and a family friend, Kevin, who

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<v Speaker 1>was living with them, and they were headed out of

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<v Speaker 1>the house and headed straight towards the concealed men with

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<v Speaker 1>rifles in hand.

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<v Speaker 2>Gosh, okay, and just so that when he missed his

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<v Speaker 2>court hearing, that was because the parole officer had told

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<v Speaker 2>him the wrong date though too right correct. Yeah. So see,

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<v Speaker 2>there's there's so many pieces to this that just seems

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<v Speaker 2>so almost unfair.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, oh, it's it's a big case. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>like you say, it is very unfair to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay, so frig I oh, now that we're here, I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Almost just like, shit, you're just nervous.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I want to know what happens. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't feel like it's going to be good.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, okay, Well, well I'm gonna divulge what happened,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to tell you if it was good

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<v Speaker 1>or bad. Well, I'm sure you can hear that for yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>But here we go. You ready, Yeah, okay, let's do this. So,

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<v Speaker 1>as the two boys and the dog were headed in

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<v Speaker 1>the direction of the reconnaissance team, the Marshalls hutting in

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<v Speaker 1>the bush. They initially the reconnaissance team initially withdrew the

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<v Speaker 1>defense into the woods. So the boys were coming out

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<v Speaker 1>coming as well, and they kind of backed up and

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<v Speaker 1>headed back towards the bush. So they hadn't been seen yet,

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<v Speaker 1>but they managed to reach a pivotal wide junction on

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<v Speaker 1>a trail, and this was positioned about five hundred yards

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<v Speaker 1>west of their cabin. However, the dog striker was now

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<v Speaker 1>sniffing about and knowing something was going going wrong or

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<v Speaker 1>someone was around, so Sammy and Kevin trailed behind him

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<v Speaker 1>through this thick foliage. Now, the following events are debated

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<v Speaker 1>to this day, with conflicting accounts from the agents and

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<v Speaker 1>the weavers on what exactly led the unfolding events. But

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to go with the events that are most

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<v Speaker 1>recognized as truth.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yes, sir so.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the agents, one scout claimed to have doubted

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<v Speaker 1>quote back off US Marshal upon seeing Sammy Weaver approaching,

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<v Speaker 1>while another asserted to have shouted stop us Marshal as

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<v Speaker 1>they approached. Whatever the case, it was roughly a minute

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<v Speaker 1>later when Sammy and Striker emerged from the trees near

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<v Speaker 1>one of the marshals, with the dog Striker approaching one

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<v Speaker 1>of the concealed marshals who is hiding in a bush.

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<v Speaker 1>In this critical moment, that very marshal opened fire upon

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<v Speaker 1>the dog from his concealed position, as he apparently feared

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<v Speaker 1>Striker was going to attack him, and he fatally shot

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<v Speaker 1>him all on a whim. No, yes, he opened fired

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<v Speaker 1>and killed Striker.

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<v Speaker 2>Just like that, just like that. Oh my gosh, I'm pissed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the dog, the dog. If anyone knows, Nicole it

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<v Speaker 1>all you never hurt the animals.

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<v Speaker 2>Well no, And they were the ones that provoked the dog.

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<v Speaker 1>They were They were the ones who threw the rock

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<v Speaker 1>at a cabin to get the dog's attention. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>now the dog is, hey, you have my attention, what's up?

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<v Speaker 2>And they shot him and the dog literally has no

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<v Speaker 2>idea what is going on with anything? Correct, hole just

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<v Speaker 2>knows that someone's on the prom Okay, oh yeah, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>keep well.

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<v Speaker 1>And not only this, Sammy is standing right there and

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<v Speaker 1>watched his dog get shot.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I would actually probably lose my mofal mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Striker got shot right in front of his eyes by

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<v Speaker 1>something that was just hiding in a bush. So Sammy

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even know who or what shot his dog.

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<v Speaker 2>Shit.

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<v Speaker 1>He did yell out, quote, you've killed my dog, you

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<v Speaker 1>son of a bitch, and then he aimed his rifle

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<v Speaker 1>into the underbrush in the direction from the concealed shot,

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<v Speaker 1>and he pulled the trigger.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, okay, that is it's getting wild here.

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<v Speaker 2>But honestly, like, okay, maybe I shouldn't keep talking. But

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<v Speaker 2>if I was armed and in situation, I would lose

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<v Speaker 2>my shit too.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and put it this way, you're probably only assuming

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<v Speaker 1>that you're next. You don't know who's in the bush.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't see them. This is a kid who watched

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<v Speaker 1>defense position because he had no idea who's in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, and that dog is like a family member.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, as I mentioned earlier, the Marshals did allege

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<v Speaker 1>that one of them shouted back off us Marshall and

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<v Speaker 1>the other one shouted stop us Marshall, but no one

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<v Speaker 1>can clarify. It's just these two just saying, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>said something.

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<v Speaker 2>Well and to a kid, what does that mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Even even if they did, Yeah, even if they did,

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<v Speaker 1>how do they know if he heard them?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Clearly, probably not because the kid kept pursuing.

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<v Speaker 2>But would a ten year old kid also even know

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<v Speaker 2>what that means?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, I don't know. If I would have it ten,

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<v Speaker 2>i'd be it cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if Sammy's ten. I'm not sure of his.

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<v Speaker 2>Age, to be fair, Oh okay, I don't know why

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<v Speaker 2>I thought ten.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I do know he is. He is a younger

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<v Speaker 1>kid about that age, but I don't know if he

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<v Speaker 1>is ten per s. He might could be around fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>or something, for all I am sure of. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>actually look up his age. But with the shots now

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<v Speaker 1>being fired from two different directions, Kevin quickly dove to

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<v Speaker 1>find cover behind a tree stump, and he retaliated with

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<v Speaker 1>a single unaimed shot into the bush. Kind of, there's

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<v Speaker 1>firing happening over here. I'm just returning fire because they are,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, under siege. We just went over this with Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>some strange person in the bush is shooting at us.

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<v Speaker 1>And when Kevin shot into the bush, he hit one

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<v Speaker 1>of the marshals and killed Deputy US Marshall William Francis

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<v Speaker 1>aka Bill Degan.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, is that the one that killed the dog?

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<v Speaker 2>Or is that a different one?

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder, Hey, I'm not too sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but geez, it's dark out. They're like disguised. This

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<v Speaker 2>is a freaking disaster.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, now, responding to the gunfire upon them, the

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<v Speaker 1>marshals once again shot in the direction of the boys,

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<v Speaker 1>and Sammy Weaver was shot in the arm. Now being

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<v Speaker 1>shot himself, he quickly turned and attempted to flee up

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<v Speaker 1>the hill towards the house where he'd come from. However,

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<v Speaker 1>another shot wrung out from the marshals and hit Sammy

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<v Speaker 1>square in the back and looked him to the ground dead. Seriously, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>they shot him in the back.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. Okay, and this is the actual sun right?

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<v Speaker 1>Not correct?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, this has just gotten real out of hand here.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think this should be okay at all.

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<v Speaker 1>No subsequent ballistic analysts later on revealed that a total

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen rounds were discharged during the intense confrontation.

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<v Speaker 2>WHOA, I mean, I knew something kind of like this

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<v Speaker 2>maybe would have gone down, but this is brutal.

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<v Speaker 1>It's intense. I can't imagine being in that situation, let

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<v Speaker 1>alone a child or a kid or a teen being

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<v Speaker 1>in that situation. Kevin understandably is now like scared shitless,

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<v Speaker 1>so he brought to his feet and he managed to

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<v Speaker 1>the events of what happened and the fact that Sammy

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<v Speaker 2>Gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>Randy was apparently so overwhelmed with grief he was rolling

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, well, I mean, they just they literally just killed

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<v Speaker 1>They did, Oh my gosh. Okay, So the Weaver family

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<v Speaker 1>gunfire and urgently needed assistance. I mean, strangely, despite their

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<v Speaker 1>heightened surveillance around the property and also being right there

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<v Speaker 1>apparently pinned down or that's important because if you're pinned

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<v Speaker 1>down the same spot, you'd probably see you're down, victim,

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<v Speaker 1>you just shot right. The agents claimed they had no

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<v Speaker 1>idea Sammy Weaver had died.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, they would have known where they were shooting. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like because they would have had I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>technology or or whatever to be of a see in

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<v Speaker 1>No, this is this is not like in the They

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<v Speaker 1>did have like night vision and stuff like that that

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<v Speaker 1>they were equipped with, but it was more so like

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<v Speaker 1>through the trees and the bush and that sort of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff was more so the problem. But the problem, a

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<v Speaker 1>big thing here is they claimed they were pinned down

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<v Speaker 1>by gunfire. Pinned down means you can't move, You're in

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<v Speaker 1>this spot, you can't go anywhere, hence why you need backup. However,

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<v Speaker 1>they did not. No, Sammy died and the family was

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<v Speaker 1>actually able to come to retrieve his body. So they

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<v Speaker 1>have shot at them too, and they didn't see his

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<v Speaker 1>dead body. They were not pinned.

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<v Speaker 2>Down, No, and they weren't. No one was armed at

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<v Speaker 2>that towards them at that moment. Really.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh they probably were, But if there was a firefight

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<v Speaker 1>in the bush and your kid was just killed, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>But it's not like they're like hunkered down and just

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<v Speaker 1>No, they weren't being pinned down. Yeah, but they claimed

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<v Speaker 1>they were chase. So the reports of casualties and the

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<v Speaker 1>Weavers perceived as armed and dangerous. Additional snipers and special

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<v Speaker 1>agents were dispatched to the tents standoff, in a marked

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<v Speaker 1>departure from the standoff rules of engagement, which typically mandates

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<v Speaker 1>firing only when agents face imminent danger, which arguably that

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<v Speaker 1>one Marshall who shot the dog claims because he feared

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<v Speaker 1>the dog could have attacked him. We'll just assume he's

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<v Speaker 1>right on that, okay, because that's completely up for debate.

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<v Speaker 1>But we'll just assume, we'll give him the benefit of

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<v Speaker 1>the doubt, so assume that you can only fire when

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<v Speaker 1>faced with imminent danger. However, the FBI decided to alter

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<v Speaker 1>the rules in this scenario. Now now agents and snipers

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<v Speaker 1>were authorized to shoot quote, any adult male with a

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<v Speaker 1>weapon if the shot can be taken without endangering children.

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<v Speaker 1>That's regardless of any immediate threat to the agents whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 1>The approval of legitimacy to this charge remains subject of debate.

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<v Speaker 1>There's some paperwork that says it was never approved, but

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<v Speaker 1>they did it anyways, And someone some saying that this

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<v Speaker 1>guy is the one who told us to but he's

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<v Speaker 1>then going back and saying I didn't. It's a whole

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<v Speaker 1>convoluted thing. But regardless, that was the situation at the.

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<v Speaker 2>Time, and that one boy should never have been shot.

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<v Speaker 2>Really no, there's no way that that would have been

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<v Speaker 2>a proved I don't see. I can't see that in it.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no immediate threat. His back was turned, he

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<v Speaker 2>Yet, Oh my gosh, that just gave me a visual.

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<v Speaker 2>That's actually sad as well.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, the family was preparing to pray over Sammy's body

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<v Speaker 1>before they buried him, and they currently had him in

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<v Speaker 1>the berthing shed, the one that we had talked about

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<v Speaker 1>in the last episode. So Randy, Sarah, and Kevin were

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<v Speaker 1>armed as they needed to be, and unfortunately now they

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<v Speaker 1>became the focus of the waiting snipers who were called

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<v Speaker 1>in as backup. So these three were leaving the house

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<v Speaker 1>to head out to the shed to where Sammy's body was,

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<v Speaker 1>and as the three approached the shed to morn, a

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<v Speaker 1>shot rang off through the air and Randy was hit

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<v Speaker 1>near his armpit by a sniper's bullet. Sarah quickly leapt

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<v Speaker 1>leapt into action and shielded her father from another shot

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<v Speaker 1>as they rushed back towards the house, where Vicki, his wife,

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<v Speaker 1>held the door wide open with her ten month old

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<v Speaker 1>Elisabeth in her arms. Now Randy and Sarah made it inside,

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<v Speaker 1>but as Kevin entered, sniper lown Rouchie fired again towards

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<v Speaker 1>the open door of the house. While he claims he

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<v Speaker 1>was aiming for Kevin, the bullet tragically hit another target. First. Heartbreakingly,

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<v Speaker 1>the shot tore through Vicky Weaver's face, killing her instantly,

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<v Speaker 1>before it followed through and hit Kevin in the chest.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so sorry, who's Vicky? Is that the mom?

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<v Speaker 1>That's Randy's wife? Yes, okay, as she is holding their

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<v Speaker 1>ten month old child in her arms.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, and it hit her where in the face,

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<v Speaker 2>so she's gone dead. And then hit Kevin in the chest.

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<v Speaker 2>And isn't Kevin also a kid? Technically I think would

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<v Speaker 2>he be considered an ask?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably an adult because a little bit of a spoiler

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<v Speaker 1>alert here, he was tried later as an adult. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm not too certain on it age, but he

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<v Speaker 1>is not. He is definitely of an adult age, but

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<v Speaker 1>he's still certainly young.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, this this does not seem okay, this

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<v Speaker 2>does not seem.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, No, it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>So now the dog's dead, the kid's dead, and now

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<v Speaker 2>the wife's dead as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, and Randy and Sarah were now forced to drag

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<v Speaker 1>Vicki's lifeless body into the house with her arms still

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<v Speaker 1>wrapped around and cradling the infant.

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<v Speaker 2>Good okay, wow, goodness gracious.

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<v Speaker 1>So they laid her down in the kitchen, and due

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<v Speaker 1>to the family now being pinned down by military snipers

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<v Speaker 1>in their home, this is where she would remain for

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<v Speaker 1>several days.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, oh, this just keeps getting worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they couldn't leave the house.

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<v Speaker 2>And literally, oh my gosh, she's just like in front

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<v Speaker 2>of the family just having this. It's like she's, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>decome decomposing. Oh. I can't even say it, like I

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<v Speaker 2>just okay. Oh that's so so bad, it's horrible. Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they weren't able to lay Zam to rest

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<v Speaker 2>like they wanted either.

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<v Speaker 1>He's currently laying in the shed.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Kevin, though, was now gravely injured. He had a

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<v Speaker 1>shot to the chest, and over the course of the

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<v Speaker 1>following days while he was tended to, he pleaded with

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<v Speaker 1>Randy to end his pain and misery. Randy, however, refused

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<v Speaker 1>to give up on him.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, he needed medical attention, I guess he did.

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<v Speaker 1>But they couldn't get it. They were pinned down. The

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<v Speaker 1>only way they could do this was by handing themselves

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<v Speaker 1>over to the FBI. And who knows what's going to

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<v Speaker 1>go on. Yeah, yep, now get this though, this is

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<v Speaker 1>really fucked up. You're going to hate this. After the

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<v Speaker 1>second confrontation, federal agents armed with radio equipment because remember

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<v Speaker 1>they had like speakers under this home. They had shit going.

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<v Speaker 2>All over right, Oh, so they would know the dire

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<v Speaker 2>situation in there, Oh they would holy fuck.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but get this armed with all this equipment, they

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<v Speaker 1>taunted the besieged Weavers by probing into their daily lives.

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<v Speaker 1>The following morning, they took to the radio and speakers

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<v Speaker 1>by saying very loudly to them, quote, we had pancakes

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<v Speaker 1>for breakfast today. How about you, VICKI, What did you

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<v Speaker 1>eat today? How did you sleep last night? Vicky? Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my gosh, isn't that beyond fucked?

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<v Speaker 2>That is just almost inhumane? This is this is now.

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<v Speaker 2>The FBI claimed they didn't know about Vicky's death, but again,

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<v Speaker 2>they had the surveillance. They had a sniper who shot

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<v Speaker 2>her in the face. They would have saw it.

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<v Speaker 1>Bull shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah they would have heard. Yeah, there's no way that

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<v Speaker 2>they wouldn't have heard.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no way.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, that is disgusting. I am so fucking disgusted right now.

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<v Speaker 1>This is so you're telling me a trained sniper wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>know he hit a target, a trained military sniper.

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<v Speaker 2>A target that was literally holding a baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and one that the family had to drag into

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<v Speaker 1>the house and probably before they closed the door.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm man, this is so. I don't know why

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<v Speaker 2>I was wanting to hear more of this.

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<v Speaker 1>This is fucked now. In another odd turn, the agents

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<v Speaker 1>actually deployed a robot to go up and try and

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<v Speaker 1>connect with the family. However, the robot was carrying a phone,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to talk as well. It was armed with

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<v Speaker 1>a gun to establish communication. And why the fuck does

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<v Speaker 1>a robot have a gun?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, who's supposed to go out to greet the robot?

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<v Speaker 2>Because anyone that would, unless it's a child who could

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<v Speaker 2>still probably be hurt, Like, they're not going to go out.

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<v Speaker 1>There, exactly like the whole we were. Everyone inside the

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<v Speaker 1>house was extremely skeptical of this, Like this is a

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<v Speaker 1>fucking trap. Even the agents aren't going to shoot us.

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<v Speaker 1>Why the fuck does the robot have a gun? If

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<v Speaker 1>I go out there and try and grab the phone,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna shoot me, yeah, or someone.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's because in their mind too, the kids wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>weren't even safe.

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<v Speaker 1>No, so yeah, uh so, Like they're skeptical because there's

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<v Speaker 1>even radio reports now going out and like this is

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<v Speaker 1>news radio reports, right, Like so the news knows about this,

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<v Speaker 1>and they are saying how Randy had killed a federal agent.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean it was Kevin who had shot into

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<v Speaker 1>the bush in retaliation and self defense and did kill one.

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<v Speaker 1>So one agent is dead, but they are blaming it

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<v Speaker 1>on Randy purposely killing an agent.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they did not also probably state that one

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<v Speaker 2>of the agents killed the kid no who was running

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<v Speaker 2>away no fear.

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<v Speaker 1>Or the mother who was holding a ten month old child. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, they're basically suspecting this is a whole trap,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like, if we take any anything, it's probably

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<v Speaker 1>going to lead to our downfall or even a potential

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<v Speaker 1>death right. And of course, how are they going to

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<v Speaker 1>paint that in the public's eye. It's just they knew

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<v Speaker 1>they were fucked. They knew they were screwed. They didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know what else to do. But eventually the standoff saw

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<v Speaker 1>an individual by the name of Bo Gritz who was

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<v Speaker 1>a former renowned Green Beret, and if you remember from

426
00:22:19.240 --> 00:22:25.559
<v Speaker 1>last episode, Randy went through Green Beret training, so Bo

427
00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:30.559
<v Speaker 1>was called in to negotiate with Randy. Over three intense days,

428
00:22:30.880 --> 00:22:33.640
<v Speaker 1>Bo succeeded in persuading Randy to come down from the

429
00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:37.240
<v Speaker 1>mountain home. The breakthrough came when Bo assured Randy of

430
00:22:37.400 --> 00:22:42.039
<v Speaker 1>assistance in obtaining a complete and fair trial. That's what

431
00:22:42.119 --> 00:22:44.359
<v Speaker 1>he wanted because he knew if he just gives up,

432
00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:46.240
<v Speaker 1>He's like, I'm going to be shot killed. Who knows

433
00:22:46.279 --> 00:22:48.000
<v Speaker 1>what they're going to paint me as, I'm just going

434
00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:49.920
<v Speaker 1>to be locked away? What about my family? What about

435
00:22:49.920 --> 00:22:52.880
<v Speaker 1>my home? All these questions? Right, So BO assisted and

436
00:22:52.920 --> 00:22:57.680
<v Speaker 1>ensuring no, you're going to get a fair trial, the evidence, everything,

437
00:22:57.920 --> 00:22:58.559
<v Speaker 1>you name it.

438
00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:02.279
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean I can't imagine that this just amplified

439
00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:06.359
<v Speaker 2>for him too, because now his kids there's no one else. Yeah,

440
00:23:06.400 --> 00:23:07.319
<v Speaker 2>they don't have a mom.

441
00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:12.759
<v Speaker 1>Correct. So BO did succeed in getting Randy to come down,

442
00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:15.680
<v Speaker 1>and Kevin was also safely brought down from the mountain

443
00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:18.440
<v Speaker 1>for medical treatment and survived as injuries.

444
00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:19.359
<v Speaker 2>That's good.

445
00:23:19.480 --> 00:23:23.039
<v Speaker 1>On the second day of negotiations, Bo actually contacted an

446
00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:27.119
<v Speaker 1>attorney whose name is Jerry Spence, who expressed a serious

447
00:23:27.119 --> 00:23:29.480
<v Speaker 1>interest in taking Randy's case. And I'm sure that would

448
00:23:29.519 --> 00:23:31.720
<v Speaker 1>have been part of the negotiations of a fair trial

449
00:23:31.759 --> 00:23:34.160
<v Speaker 1>as well. Yeah, is I have this individual who's willing

450
00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:38.119
<v Speaker 1>to potentially defend you, right, Yeah. So on the day

451
00:23:38.200 --> 00:23:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Randy surrendered to law enforcement, he met with Jerry Spence,

452
00:23:42.400 --> 00:23:45.079
<v Speaker 1>who Jerry, by the way, is known for his western

453
00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:48.079
<v Speaker 1>courtroom attire, which I absolutely fucking love. I just see

454
00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:49.880
<v Speaker 1>him in like in my head, I picture a cowboy

455
00:23:49.880 --> 00:23:52.160
<v Speaker 1>hat and a bolo tie and he's just loving life.

456
00:23:53.400 --> 00:23:57.000
<v Speaker 1>But more importantly, he's also known for it never losing

457
00:23:57.079 --> 00:23:58.759
<v Speaker 1>a criminal jury trial.

458
00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:01.839
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, so got a good lawyer?

459
00:24:02.200 --> 00:24:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Yes, so Jerry began the meeting. He's not. I mean,

460
00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:08.319
<v Speaker 1>he did actually represent him in court, but as of

461
00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:11.359
<v Speaker 1>right now, they're just talking about the representing, Like, can

462
00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:12.119
<v Speaker 1>I represent you?

463
00:24:12.160 --> 00:24:12.240
<v Speaker 2>Are?

464
00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:14.839
<v Speaker 1>We're going to take this right, okay. So Jerry began

465
00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:18.920
<v Speaker 1>the meeting by expressing his disagreement with how the Weaver's

466
00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:24.079
<v Speaker 1>political and religious beliefs were. However, he emphasized his commitment

467
00:24:24.119 --> 00:24:26.920
<v Speaker 1>to Randy's right to a fair trial, and after listening

468
00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:29.920
<v Speaker 1>to Randy's story, he agreed to defend him in court

469
00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:31.920
<v Speaker 1>for free.

470
00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:36.279
<v Speaker 2>Okay. So he obviously if he thought that this was

471
00:24:36.319 --> 00:24:39.960
<v Speaker 2>a lose in battle, he probably wouldn't have offered to

472
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<v Speaker 2>do it.

473
00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Probably not.

474
00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:43.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he knew that he had a strong case.

475
00:24:43.960 --> 00:24:47.920
<v Speaker 1>But not even necessarily a strong case though is I mean,

476
00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:49.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that was part of it, but a bigger

477
00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:53.160
<v Speaker 1>part here, which I'm going to talk about here. I'll

478
00:24:53.319 --> 00:24:55.720
<v Speaker 1>do it right now. So this next paragraph I have

479
00:24:55.799 --> 00:24:58.680
<v Speaker 1>says in a letter to a Jewish friend attempting to

480
00:24:58.759 --> 00:25:01.720
<v Speaker 1>dissuade him from that she's taking the case. The friend

481
00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:04.519
<v Speaker 1>was like, don't fucking take this case. Jerry actually asserted

482
00:25:04.519 --> 00:25:09.240
<v Speaker 1>that the defense goes beyond what he's talking about, because

483
00:25:09.279 --> 00:25:11.000
<v Speaker 1>he didn't want him to take this case because hey,

484
00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:13.440
<v Speaker 1>Randy's a potential racist and all these groups he's a

485
00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:16.640
<v Speaker 1>part of and stuff and very radical. Yeah, so Jerry's like,

486
00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:20.440
<v Speaker 1>this is beyond the whole radical and racial separatism and

487
00:25:20.559 --> 00:25:23.480
<v Speaker 1>everything that it may represent. This was about a whole

488
00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:27.720
<v Speaker 1>greater concern of a government losing respect for an individual's rights.

489
00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:30.440
<v Speaker 1>So it wasn't that he was defending him because he's like,

490
00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:32.680
<v Speaker 1>we can win this. He's defending him because it's the

491
00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:34.039
<v Speaker 1>right fucking thing to do.

492
00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:38.599
<v Speaker 2>Wow, which, honestly, with everything that Randy has gone through, like,

493
00:25:38.720 --> 00:25:42.279
<v Speaker 2>thank goodness that he got this big time.

494
00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:44.519
<v Speaker 1>Oh definitely, And for that alone, I want to make

495
00:25:44.599 --> 00:25:48.039
<v Speaker 1>Jerry our badass of the day because that is fucking badass.

496
00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:48.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

497
00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:50.599
<v Speaker 1>Not only is he taking this case, he's fighting against

498
00:25:50.599 --> 00:25:53.400
<v Speaker 1>the government, he's doing it for free. He also stood

499
00:25:53.480 --> 00:25:56.000
<v Speaker 1>up to a peer who's like, don't do this because hey,

500
00:25:56.039 --> 00:25:59.160
<v Speaker 1>he's racist against our people. He's like, it's not about that, bitch.

501
00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:02.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I feel like a lot of the lawyers too,

502
00:26:02.119 --> 00:26:04.480
<v Speaker 2>probably would have just ran for the hills probably this

503
00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:05.160
<v Speaker 2>kind of case.

504
00:26:05.240 --> 00:26:08.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, the trial of Randy Weaver and Kevin Harris,

505
00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:11.000
<v Speaker 1>because Kevin was also being brought to court because hey,

506
00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:14.960
<v Speaker 1>he shot someone, right, began on April twelfth, nineteen ninety three,

507
00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:19.680
<v Speaker 1>in a heavily attended courtroom in Boys, Idaho. The courtroom

508
00:26:19.720 --> 00:26:23.359
<v Speaker 1>had heightened security measures, including metal detectors, X ray machines

509
00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:26.599
<v Speaker 1>and federal marshals who were armed and ready. It was

510
00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:31.759
<v Speaker 1>all in anticipated because it was a very potentially heated trial, right,

511
00:26:32.319 --> 00:26:34.200
<v Speaker 1>so there could be potential issues, so they wanted to

512
00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:36.240
<v Speaker 1>make sure that they were ready for anything that could occur.

513
00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:39.279
<v Speaker 1>So the jury okay, but I do have to say,

514
00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:42.240
<v Speaker 1>and that's kind of also bullshit because at the same time,

515
00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:46.640
<v Speaker 1>it's like, oh, federal marshals are on the stand, so

516
00:26:46.680 --> 00:26:50.279
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna have federal marshals defend the court. Now, that's

517
00:26:50.359 --> 00:26:51.319
<v Speaker 1>kind of bias, But.

518
00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Hey, I did think that, But I was like, I'll

519
00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:54.279
<v Speaker 2>just keep listening.

520
00:26:54.359 --> 00:26:58.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so regardless. The jury was comprised of seven women

521
00:26:58.759 --> 00:27:01.720
<v Speaker 1>and five men who are arranging from age of thirty

522
00:27:01.720 --> 00:27:05.400
<v Speaker 1>one to seventy two years old, including individuals with varied

523
00:27:05.519 --> 00:27:09.720
<v Speaker 1>educational backgrounds from high school dropouts to MBAs, so they

524
00:27:09.759 --> 00:27:11.680
<v Speaker 1>had quite the diverse jury at hand.

525
00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:12.359
<v Speaker 2>That's good.

526
00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:18.279
<v Speaker 1>In the prosecution's opening statement, attorney Howen and Lindquist portrayed

527
00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Randy as a racist planning to wage war against the

528
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:25.839
<v Speaker 1>government since nineteen eighty two. They also painted him as

529
00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:29.720
<v Speaker 1>a hate filled extremist, emphasizing the threat of violence that

530
00:27:29.839 --> 00:27:34.839
<v Speaker 1>he posed to the people around him. Representing Kevin Harris,

531
00:27:35.079 --> 00:27:40.839
<v Speaker 1>David Nevin presented a very good self defense theory in

532
00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:45.880
<v Speaker 1>his opening statement. He's like, hey, self defense, It's basically it, right.

533
00:27:46.839 --> 00:27:48.599
<v Speaker 1>Jerry Spence, the one that we were talking about, who

534
00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:51.759
<v Speaker 1>is our badass of the day, concluded the opening statements

535
00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:56.079
<v Speaker 1>and personalized Randy to the jury, seeking to invoke empathy

536
00:27:56.200 --> 00:27:58.799
<v Speaker 1>and painted a very compelling picture of Randy as a

537
00:27:58.839 --> 00:28:01.720
<v Speaker 1>loving and devoted family man striving to protect his family

538
00:28:01.960 --> 00:28:03.839
<v Speaker 1>to lead a peaceful life.

539
00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:06.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, good.

540
00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:08.759
<v Speaker 1>Where do you think this is going to go? How

541
00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:09.640
<v Speaker 1>do you think it's gonna end?

542
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:15.240
<v Speaker 2>Up. Oh my gosh. Honestly, I don't have the faintest clue.

543
00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:20.400
<v Speaker 1>Okay, understandable, you're up. I mean, we're up up against

544
00:28:20.440 --> 00:28:24.519
<v Speaker 1>such a interesting foe in the courtroom here, the government, right, So.

545
00:28:24.759 --> 00:28:27.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like I feel I mean, I know the way

546
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:29.759
<v Speaker 2>I want it to go, but I feel like it

547
00:28:29.799 --> 00:28:33.279
<v Speaker 2>probably won't go that way. I mean, I want Randy

548
00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:37.559
<v Speaker 2>to to be acquitted, yeah, like not guilty or whatever,

549
00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:40.920
<v Speaker 2>but I feel like that it would be way too

550
00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:42.000
<v Speaker 2>good to be true.

551
00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:46.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, there is a whole lot surrounding this case.

552
00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:50.839
<v Speaker 1>One of the things that was happening quite frequent was

553
00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:53.920
<v Speaker 1>the government was actually hiding evidence and only bringing it

554
00:28:54.160 --> 00:28:57.599
<v Speaker 1>up when it benefited them, and all the stuff needs

555
00:28:57.599 --> 00:28:58.960
<v Speaker 1>to be on the fucking table, right.

556
00:28:59.240 --> 00:28:59.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

557
00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:02.559
<v Speaker 1>They would frequently be like, actually this thing and then

558
00:29:02.599 --> 00:29:04.440
<v Speaker 1>they're like, what the fuck is this? Like, we need

559
00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:06.160
<v Speaker 1>to have all this out in the open. So that

560
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:08.880
<v Speaker 1>was a very uh FRA's dirty it is. It was

561
00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:10.880
<v Speaker 1>a very frequent and dirty thing that they were doing

562
00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:14.720
<v Speaker 1>in the court. But the government actually started this case

563
00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:18.559
<v Speaker 1>by calling us Marshal Larry Cooper a witness to the

564
00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:23.440
<v Speaker 1>death of Agent Degan and Sammy Weaver, which also tells

565
00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:25.039
<v Speaker 1>me right there. He was a witness to the death

566
00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:27.880
<v Speaker 1>of Sammy Weaver. He saw, he saw, they didn't know

567
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:30.000
<v Speaker 1>he was dead, like, you know, are you fucking kidding me?

568
00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:34.079
<v Speaker 1>Clearly you did. Anyways, Cooper testified that Kevin Harris shot

569
00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:39.319
<v Speaker 1>Degan first, triggering the subsequent exchange of gunfire. He was

570
00:29:39.319 --> 00:29:40.400
<v Speaker 1>the first to pull the trigger.

571
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:44.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, he's just up there lying yep, like

572
00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:48.400
<v Speaker 2>under oath. Still yep. Okay, that is not all right.

573
00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:51.759
<v Speaker 1>Now, get this though, in response to a defense request,

574
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:55.519
<v Speaker 1>Cooper appeared in court the second day dressed in the

575
00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:58.960
<v Speaker 1>same camouflage uniform that he wore in August twenty first,

576
00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:01.799
<v Speaker 1>the night of the shootout, and carried the same gun

577
00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:05.759
<v Speaker 1>he had that day. So the whole defense was aimed

578
00:30:05.799 --> 00:30:08.519
<v Speaker 1>to make the jurors experience what Kevin and Sammy would

579
00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:11.319
<v Speaker 1>have experienced and witnessed. These kids out in the bush

580
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:14.960
<v Speaker 1>see this. Yeah, you're telling me they're not gonna try

581
00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:16.359
<v Speaker 1>and fight for their life.

582
00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:19.039
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm. Well, and the fact that one of them

583
00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:23.000
<v Speaker 2>just killed their dog yep, right, which honestly to anyone

584
00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:25.559
<v Speaker 2>is a big deal, but especially a kid, I feel for.

585
00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:28.039
<v Speaker 1>Sure, And I mean the dog plays such a big

586
00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:31.519
<v Speaker 1>part of this. Like even during cross examination, Cooper struggled

587
00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:34.559
<v Speaker 1>he had a silencer on his gun, and he struggled

588
00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:37.519
<v Speaker 1>to explain like why the silencer actually had been on

589
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:40.160
<v Speaker 1>the gun at all. But he did admit to having

590
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:44.200
<v Speaker 1>orders orders to lure the dogs away from the Weaver's

591
00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:49.279
<v Speaker 1>home and shoot them, removing them from quote the outside

592
00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:50.200
<v Speaker 1>of the picture.

593
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

594
00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:56.200
<v Speaker 1>So Jerry Spence, our defending attorney, underscored Striker's role by

595
00:30:56.279 --> 00:31:01.119
<v Speaker 1>asking this question quote Now, the dog dog's biggest crime

596
00:31:01.559 --> 00:31:05.920
<v Speaker 1>was that he was following you. Isn't that true?

597
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:09.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he didn't do anything. He didn't do a single thing. No,

598
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:11.880
<v Speaker 2>we don't even know if he would have attacked them.

599
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:13.000
<v Speaker 1>No, we don't.

600
00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:14.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no idea.

601
00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:17.519
<v Speaker 1>No, he provoked the dog to come here, and when

602
00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:20.200
<v Speaker 1>a dog comes here, you're like, oh shit, I'm gonna

603
00:31:20.200 --> 00:31:24.920
<v Speaker 1>shoot it. Fucking kidding me, Oh my gosh. Another crucial

604
00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:29.319
<v Speaker 1>prosecution witness was Agent Faidley, who was an undercover or sorry,

605
00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:33.160
<v Speaker 1>the undercover operative who solicited Randy to modify the shotguns

606
00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:35.160
<v Speaker 1>illegal and seldom to him that we talked about in

607
00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:39.599
<v Speaker 1>the first episode. So under cross examination, Faidley acknowledged the

608
00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:43.119
<v Speaker 1>difficulty in persuading Randy into breaking the law. He's like, yeah,

609
00:31:43.119 --> 00:31:44.680
<v Speaker 1>it was fuck. It was hard as fuck, Like I

610
00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:47.559
<v Speaker 1>really had to like get him to do this. Damn,

611
00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:50.799
<v Speaker 1>you're begging him, I'm sure. And in a pivotal exchange,

612
00:31:50.920 --> 00:31:55.519
<v Speaker 1>Chuck Peterson, Jerry Spence's co council, prompted fed Faidley to

613
00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:59.440
<v Speaker 1>admit that he received no payment for his undercome. He

614
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:03.400
<v Speaker 1>would receive no payment for his undercover work unless there

615
00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:04.160
<v Speaker 1>was a conviction.

616
00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:06.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh are you serious.

617
00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:11.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, ultimately, only like really incentivizing him to persuade Randy

618
00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:14.279
<v Speaker 1>by any means necessary. And I mean that honestly sounds

619
00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:15.839
<v Speaker 1>a lot like fucking bribery to me.

620
00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:18.720
<v Speaker 2>In my opinion, that doesn't seem right at all.

621
00:32:18.920 --> 00:32:21.279
<v Speaker 1>If you convince him to sell you some shit and

622
00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:23.680
<v Speaker 1>we get a conviction out of it, we'll give you

623
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:24.119
<v Speaker 1>some money.

624
00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:26.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, it just doesn't make any sense either, because Randy

625
00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:30.519
<v Speaker 2>thought that they were friends, right, Yeah, And like anyone

626
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:34.400
<v Speaker 2>in that situation where you have a friend someone you

627
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:39.079
<v Speaker 2>care about, like begging you for something and like repeatedly, repeatedly, repeatedly,

628
00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:41.960
<v Speaker 2>like you're probably gonna cave at some point, and like

629
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:43.240
<v Speaker 2>help your fucking.

630
00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Friend so that there are certain morals that question here

631
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:48.319
<v Speaker 1>is what to what degree did they go to really

632
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:50.400
<v Speaker 1>coerce Randy into doing this?

633
00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:53.079
<v Speaker 2>That almost makes me, this, this whole case almost makes

634
00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:55.839
<v Speaker 2>me like emotional because it just doesn't seem.

635
00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:59.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's a roller coaster. Yeah, it's everywhere up, down,

636
00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:02.599
<v Speaker 1>and it's it's just nothing but bullshit on the end

637
00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:06.839
<v Speaker 1>of the government. Now. Closing arguments began on June fifteenth,

638
00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:10.519
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety three, and Kim Lindquist, who was leading for

639
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:15.680
<v Speaker 1>the prosecution, outlined the case's theme for reasons of conviction,

640
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:19.559
<v Speaker 1>asserting that Kevin Harris had murdered Bill Deacan and portraying

641
00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:23.519
<v Speaker 1>Vicky Weaver's death as a tragic accident. So he attributed

642
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:27.519
<v Speaker 1>the deaths of Vicky and Sammy to Randy and Kevin

643
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:33.319
<v Speaker 1>and their desire to attack the government. So to quote him, quote,

644
00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:36.000
<v Speaker 1>this whole thing is a tragedy, but the cause of

645
00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:39.240
<v Speaker 1>the tragedy was the resolve of the Weaver family, and

646
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:45.319
<v Speaker 1>that translates into murder. So he's basically saying Randy and

647
00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:50.440
<v Speaker 1>Kevin are the ones who murdered Sammy and VICKI Wow, Yeah,

648
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:53.440
<v Speaker 1>he's saying they're responsible for their deaths.

649
00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:56.000
<v Speaker 2>And it doesn't make any sense though, because the other

650
00:33:56.039 --> 00:33:59.359
<v Speaker 2>people are like highly trained, yes, but yet it was

651
00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:04.759
<v Speaker 2>just like an act accident. Yes, that is so messed up, Yes,

652
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:07.119
<v Speaker 2>beyond messed up, beyond.

653
00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:10.280
<v Speaker 1>Like you said, these people are supposed to be highly trained,

654
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:13.719
<v Speaker 1>yet they didn't know two targets were downed. They were

655
00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:20.519
<v Speaker 1>unable to actually coerce these people in a manner that's appropriate.

656
00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:23.639
<v Speaker 1>For example, they set a robot with a fucking gun.

657
00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:25.960
<v Speaker 2>They lied on them.

658
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:29.320
<v Speaker 1>They changed regulations in order to fire as they please,

659
00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:33.079
<v Speaker 1>and they're lying on trial in under oath on the stand.

660
00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:40.840
<v Speaker 1>Manipulative I think so disgusting. Yeah. So the jury deliberations

661
00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:44.599
<v Speaker 1>commenced on Wednesday, June sixteenth, with jurors sequestering in a

662
00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:48.960
<v Speaker 1>room with green walls. Institutional green walls, very boring and bland,

663
00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:53.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure, very standard, and they were shielded from, of course,

664
00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:56.800
<v Speaker 1>the outside world, in any sort of forces or anything

665
00:34:56.840 --> 00:34:59.559
<v Speaker 1>like that. I'm trying to think of a word. Just

666
00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:03.679
<v Speaker 1>wa persuasion, Yeah, there would go any persuasion on one

667
00:35:03.679 --> 00:35:08.400
<v Speaker 1>way or another. Television trucks were filling the parking lots

668
00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:12.000
<v Speaker 1>and reporters anxiously awaited any updates and were ready to

669
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:15.840
<v Speaker 1>go at any moment. Thirteen tension filled days later, on

670
00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:19.360
<v Speaker 1>June twenty ninth, a juror suffering from post traumatic stress

671
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:21.760
<v Speaker 1>disorder and a chronic heart condition would no longer be

672
00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:25.400
<v Speaker 1>able to continue serving the jury, which led to their

673
00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:27.880
<v Speaker 1>replacement by an alternate. And now the jury needed to

674
00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:30.480
<v Speaker 1>start from the beginning with their deliberations, and they promptly

675
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:34.760
<v Speaker 1>requested to review the entrapment evidence once again. So finally,

676
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:37.760
<v Speaker 1>that leads us to July eighth, where the jury had

677
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:42.960
<v Speaker 1>finally reached their verdict. The pact and silent courtroom witnessed

678
00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:47.920
<v Speaker 1>an emotional moment as the verdicts were read. Randy Weaver

679
00:35:48.199 --> 00:35:52.199
<v Speaker 1>and Kevin Harris, overwhelmed with emotion, embraced each other upon

680
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:59.000
<v Speaker 1>hearing the findings. Randy Weaver was acquitted of all charges

681
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:02.480
<v Speaker 1>except for faar to appear in court and committing a

682
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:08.519
<v Speaker 1>crime while on bail release. Kevin Harris was completely acquitted

683
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:12.960
<v Speaker 1>of all charges. When a deputy mentioned taking Kevin back

684
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:18.039
<v Speaker 1>to jail for processing, his attorney, Nevin firmly stated, the

685
00:36:18.079 --> 00:36:20.880
<v Speaker 1>hell you will. He's going out the front door with me,

686
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:24.719
<v Speaker 1>and that's exactly what happened. Kevin Harris left that courtroom

687
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:27.440
<v Speaker 1>that day holding his mother's hand out the front door.

688
00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:33.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, that literally gave me goose bumps. I'm shocked. Yeah,

689
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:35.599
<v Speaker 2>because I don't know, I feel like what I was

690
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:41.159
<v Speaker 2>worried is that the jury would almost worry about saying

691
00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:42.039
<v Speaker 2>that they weren't guilty.

692
00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:42.800
<v Speaker 1>The repercussions.

693
00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:45.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like, because it's the government. What the fuck are

694
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:48.119
<v Speaker 2>they gonna like they could attack them or like I

695
00:36:48.159 --> 00:36:50.199
<v Speaker 2>thought some of them might be afraid kind of thing.

696
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:54.360
<v Speaker 1>No, that's a very reasonable response. Yeah, I mean, it's

697
00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:56.440
<v Speaker 1>not like people haven't been claiming to have been stalked

698
00:36:56.480 --> 00:36:57.760
<v Speaker 1>or harassed by the government before.

699
00:36:57.880 --> 00:37:01.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so whoa, Hey, I mean I'm shocked, but in

700
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:02.639
<v Speaker 2>the best of ways.

701
00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:04.480
<v Speaker 1>But that's what you were after we talked about it

702
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:05.920
<v Speaker 1>at the very beginning. You're like, yeah, you want to

703
00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:08.280
<v Speaker 1>be acquitted of all charges, not guilty, and I mean

704
00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:11.880
<v Speaker 1>he's not acquitted at all. But yeah, so, like his

705
00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:15.440
<v Speaker 1>whole acquittal, of course, is relief, but the conviction was

706
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:18.079
<v Speaker 1>bittersweet because he did actually have to return to jail.

707
00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:22.760
<v Speaker 1>Judge Lodge dismissed the second conviction ultimately, as it had

708
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:25.519
<v Speaker 1>been proven that Randy committed no crime. During the siege,

709
00:37:26.039 --> 00:37:28.800
<v Speaker 1>but he was sentenced to be between eighteen and twenty

710
00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:31.480
<v Speaker 1>four months for failure to appear in court, which is

711
00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:36.599
<v Speaker 1>well he had that thing earlier in last episode, so

712
00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:39.679
<v Speaker 1>having already served fourteen months, he was now set to

713
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:44.840
<v Speaker 1>be released sometime before Christmas, and indeed, in December twenty

714
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:48.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, December of nineteen ninety three, he finally regained

715
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:51.199
<v Speaker 1>his freedom, and he promptly flew to Iowa to be

716
00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:56.920
<v Speaker 1>with his daughters and spend their heartfelt Christmas together goodness.

717
00:37:57.360 --> 00:38:01.000
<v Speaker 1>In the aftermath of the trial, in August of nineteen

718
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:05.239
<v Speaker 1>ninety four, Randy Weaver filed a lawsuit for wrongful deaths

719
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:10.400
<v Speaker 1>of Sammy and Vicki Weaver. The case settled before trial,

720
00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:13.239
<v Speaker 1>so it didn't even go to court for three point

721
00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:17.039
<v Speaker 1>two million dollars in August of nineteen ninety five. However,

722
00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:21.280
<v Speaker 1>the government refuses to acknowledge any wrongdoing in the event whatsoever.

723
00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:24.039
<v Speaker 1>But they paid out three point five before trial. Yeah,

724
00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:26.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure they know they did some shit wrong.

725
00:38:26.920 --> 00:38:30.599
<v Speaker 1>So Kevin Harris also filed a lawsuit, which was settled

726
00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:36.320
<v Speaker 1>for four hundred and thirty eight thousand dollars. Gary Spence,

727
00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:39.719
<v Speaker 1>who represented Randy, as I mentioned, free of charge, was

728
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:43.599
<v Speaker 1>granted exclusive rights by the Weavers to tell his story.

729
00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:46.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, wow.

730
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:51.400
<v Speaker 1>After the trial, the US Senate appointed a special commission

731
00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:54.800
<v Speaker 1>to investigate the incident at Ruby Ridge, and what followed

732
00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:59.159
<v Speaker 1>was a very comprehensive five hundred page document reporting the

733
00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:03.960
<v Speaker 1>government agent during during wrongdoing, sorry, during the siege. So

734
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:05.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean they say they did no wrongdoing, but there's

735
00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:11.440
<v Speaker 1>a document from the government saying, yeah, you fucked up. Now. Lastly,

736
00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:17.800
<v Speaker 1>astonishingly enough, Lonnie Harochi, the sniper responsible for Vicki Weaver's death,

737
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:22.480
<v Speaker 1>faced no punishment in the aftermath. Although he was initially

738
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:26.000
<v Speaker 1>charged with involuntary manslaughter and was being brought to trial,

739
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:31.960
<v Speaker 1>a new prosecutor elected to fire a special prosecutor and

740
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:36.639
<v Speaker 1>dismissed the case against them entirely. So he never spent

741
00:39:36.639 --> 00:39:39.039
<v Speaker 1>a day in jail, he retained his job, and he

742
00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:43.000
<v Speaker 1>did not lose a single day's pay for murdering a

743
00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:46.559
<v Speaker 1>woman holding her ten month child as she tried to

744
00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:49.239
<v Speaker 1>hold the door open for her family who was fleeing

745
00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:54.159
<v Speaker 1>from a barrage of bullets. That is the Ruby Ridge incident.

746
00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Way to end on a shit note.

747
00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:01.719
<v Speaker 1>There, I know right, it was a rough case. It

748
00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:04.880
<v Speaker 1>was a rough one to research, but it was I

749
00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:08.000
<v Speaker 1>don't know, it was very different and it it made

750
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:11.280
<v Speaker 1>my stomach churn. It wasn't like it was uh, I

751
00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:15.400
<v Speaker 1>don't know what. There's some grotesque, disgusting shit that happens

752
00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:17.960
<v Speaker 1>in this world, especially when it comes to murders and

753
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:21.800
<v Speaker 1>a lot of these trials and convictions that we go through,

754
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:26.400
<v Speaker 1>but this one, it's just, I don't know. It's different

755
00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:28.559
<v Speaker 1>in a lot of ways because the government is supposed

756
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:31.039
<v Speaker 1>to be there to help you and they did everything

757
00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:33.239
<v Speaker 1>but help them.

758
00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:39.320
<v Speaker 2>It's scary, it is, yeah, because I feel, oh my gosh,

759
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:42.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you could get yourself in that situation and

760
00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:46.039
<v Speaker 2>there's like there was almost no way out for him.

761
00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:50.159
<v Speaker 1>There wasn't no he was surrounded, he was pinned down,

762
00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:52.800
<v Speaker 1>he was shot at, he was just screwed.

763
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Well. They were just eating pancakes for breakfast.

764
00:40:55.159 --> 00:40:59.199
<v Speaker 1>Like, could god, could you imagine being sitting there grieving

765
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:01.360
<v Speaker 1>the death of your life who you cannot even take

766
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:04.280
<v Speaker 1>outside the death of a loved one is just the

767
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:07.559
<v Speaker 1>person's laying there on the floor, as you said, decomposing,

768
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Uh huh. And there's speakers under your house being like, Hey,

769
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:13.400
<v Speaker 1>we have pancakes for breakfast today. What'd you eat? What'd

770
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:13.719
<v Speaker 1>you eat?

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00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:18.119
<v Speaker 2>VICKI you know, honestly, I am sometimes like a little

772
00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:21.639
<v Speaker 2>bit hot headed, and I sometimes you don't say.

773
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:23.599
<v Speaker 1>Not a lot of people know that, but I'm married

774
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:24.159
<v Speaker 1>to you, trust me.

775
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:27.719
<v Speaker 2>I know I would actually have handled things a lot

776
00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:31.880
<v Speaker 2>differently than Randy. So I honestly feel like he did

777
00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:34.159
<v Speaker 2>a very good job. Oh he did, because I would

778
00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:36.159
<v Speaker 2>have lost my motherfucking mind.

779
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:39.679
<v Speaker 1>I could see you going like full fucking Rambo, tying

780
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:43.880
<v Speaker 1>a like bandana around your head, war paint, knifing your teeth,

781
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:46.599
<v Speaker 1>crawling through the fucking oh yeah.

782
00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:49.840
<v Speaker 2>And it would still be because of my dog. Yeah,

783
00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:51.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, but they're the dog and then now the

784
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:54.559
<v Speaker 2>sun and like the wife and stuff. But it's just like,

785
00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:57.800
<v Speaker 2>I feel like I would have just gone on a fucking.

786
00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:01.119
<v Speaker 1>Rampage, understandably, but I think a lot of people would have.

787
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:04.159
<v Speaker 2>You're also it's hard to say too, because you're like

788
00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:06.800
<v Speaker 2>really mourning deaks and stuff too. And then you have

789
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:10.280
<v Speaker 2>your own like your family. He was the only parent

790
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:11.679
<v Speaker 2>figure at that moment, right.

791
00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:14.639
<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of the reason why Randy kept

792
00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:17.000
<v Speaker 1>as cool of a head as he did. Was he

793
00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:20.519
<v Speaker 1>knew that if he gave in, if he shot at them,

794
00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:22.760
<v Speaker 1>if he went out there, he knew it would have

795
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:25.119
<v Speaker 1>been used against him. And they were already trying to

796
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:27.119
<v Speaker 1>use things against him. The radio was already saying how

797
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:29.079
<v Speaker 1>he murdered a US marshal.

798
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:32.079
<v Speaker 2>And he wanted to be there for his family because like, yeah,

799
00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:32.679
<v Speaker 2>I mean.

800
00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, anything he did would have just given him more

801
00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:37.760
<v Speaker 1>ammunition against him and his family.

802
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:42.599
<v Speaker 2>Like you're saying he's smart, he is. Yeah, he was thinking, yeah,

803
00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:45.840
<v Speaker 2>two steps ahead. Yeah, Wow, what a story. This is

804
00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:47.639
<v Speaker 2>just like bizarre.

805
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:50.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you can thank Joe Rogan for me hearing this story. Actually,

806
00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:52.639
<v Speaker 1>I was cruising Instagram and there was a clip of

807
00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:55.480
<v Speaker 1>him on his podcast talking to someone about the Ruby

808
00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:58.199
<v Speaker 1>Ridge incident, and I was like, the what now? And

809
00:42:58.239 --> 00:42:59.639
<v Speaker 1>I gave it a quick Google and I was like

810
00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:00.519
<v Speaker 1>the fuck.

811
00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:05.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, I don't. I don't necessarily feel satisfied

812
00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:06.480
<v Speaker 2>right now.

813
00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:09.639
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think there should be some satisfaction in knowing

814
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:12.360
<v Speaker 1>that there was charges that were acquitted, and there was

815
00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:16.320
<v Speaker 1>lawsuits filed, and they did get some money in return,

816
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:19.559
<v Speaker 1>though I'm not saying money is in any way, shape

817
00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:23.000
<v Speaker 1>or form a retribution for the lives that were lost,

818
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:27.840
<v Speaker 1>but it's something to help you move on. And not

819
00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:32.760
<v Speaker 1>only that, it's so fucking good knowing that they didn't

820
00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:35.719
<v Speaker 1>try fighting it because they know the fucking wrong. Well, yeah,

821
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:37.039
<v Speaker 1>they know what they fucking did.

822
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:39.639
<v Speaker 2>When something doesn't go to court and like gets paid

823
00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:43.039
<v Speaker 2>up beforehand, there's reasons, yeah.

824
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:43.719
<v Speaker 1>Very big reasons.

825
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:44.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

826
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:48.360
<v Speaker 1>So anyways, hopefully you guys enjoyed this two parter. We

827
00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:50.880
<v Speaker 1>got some more one part is coming for you soon.

828
00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:53.280
<v Speaker 1>We did a two parter recently and now this one,

829
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:54.840
<v Speaker 1>so we're going to stick to some one parties here

830
00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:56.800
<v Speaker 1>for a little bit before we do another one, So

831
00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:58.159
<v Speaker 1>give you guys a bit of a breather with that.

832
00:43:58.320 --> 00:43:59.960
<v Speaker 1>But if you want to check out some of our socials,

833
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:02.239
<v Speaker 1>all the links are down below. We're very active on

834
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:04.679
<v Speaker 1>YouTube now we've got Patreon. We're doing some stuff over there.

835
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:08.519
<v Speaker 1>Get the exclusive behind the scenes and extra content like

836
00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:11.119
<v Speaker 1>the extra episode at the end of the month every time,

837
00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:13.039
<v Speaker 1>so you can go check all that out.

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00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:15.719
<v Speaker 2>Good job, thank you job on this one. You did

839
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:16.199
<v Speaker 2>really good.

840
00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:19.639
<v Speaker 1>It was interesting. I know when I say that about

841
00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:22.400
<v Speaker 1>so many cases, but it's like interesting is such a

842
00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:24.679
<v Speaker 1>word that can describe so many of these in so

843
00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:28.960
<v Speaker 1>many different ways, and that's exactly what this is. Very interesting, intriguing,

844
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:35.400
<v Speaker 1>and fucking sad, so sad. Anyways, my emotions are beside

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<v Speaker 1>the point. We'll talk to you guys next time, and

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<v Speaker 1>until then, stay wicked.