WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.960 --> 00:00:05.160 Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason, this week 2 00:00:05.200 --> 00:00:12.160 covering the nineteen ninety two film Alien three. 3 00:00:13.839 --> 00:00:15.199 Welcome to Spacy Now. 4 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:18.679 I'm BB and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the 5 00:00:18.719 --> 00:00:21.960 Alien franchise, one movie at a time. At the moment 6 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:24.760 of this recording, the third film is available to stream 7 00:00:24.800 --> 00:00:27.320 on Hulu, and this podcast is being released on two 8 00:00:27.320 --> 00:00:29.399 different podcast feeds, So if you've found it through these 9 00:00:29.440 --> 00:00:32.159 Spacing Out with Alien podcasts, and I invite you to 10 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:34.679 check out our main channel, Spacing Out with BB and Jason, 11 00:00:34.840 --> 00:00:38.000 where we have covered things like Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek, 12 00:00:38.200 --> 00:00:40.960 Our Flag Means Death, over one hundred episodes, and many 13 00:00:41.000 --> 00:00:44.000 more things that come. We are only focusing on Alien 14 00:00:44.039 --> 00:00:46.960 three today, so if there's any discussion of subsequent entries 15 00:00:46.960 --> 00:00:49.159 into the franchise, we will save that for a spoiler 16 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:51.159 section at the end of the podcast, So if you 17 00:00:51.200 --> 00:00:53.439 haven't seen the movies that released after this one, we 18 00:00:53.479 --> 00:00:56.600 will shield you from spoilers. And although our coverage of 19 00:00:56.679 --> 00:00:59.520 Alien Romulus should have already come out, we are actually 20 00:00:59.560 --> 00:01:01.840 recording the prior to having seen Romulus. We won't be 21 00:01:01.880 --> 00:01:04.959 speaking on that film at all, but we are talking about. 22 00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:09.359 Alien three, which premiered on May twenty second, nineteen ninety two, 23 00:01:09.640 --> 00:01:13.359 written by David Geiler, Walter Hill, and Larry Ferguson, was 24 00:01:13.359 --> 00:01:16.519 a story by Vincent Ward and directed by David Fincher. 25 00:01:16.840 --> 00:01:20.359 In this movie, Ellen Ripley is the only survivor when 26 00:01:20.400 --> 00:01:23.480 she crashed lands on Fiorina one six ' one ableak 27 00:01:23.560 --> 00:01:26.519 wasteland inhabited by the former inmates of the planet's maximum 28 00:01:26.519 --> 00:01:29.719 security prison. Once again, Ripley must face skepticism and the 29 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:32.640 alien as it hunts down the prisoners and guards. Without 30 00:01:32.680 --> 00:01:35.120 weapons or modern technology of any kind, Ripley leads the 31 00:01:35.159 --> 00:01:37.120 men into battle against the terrifying creature. 32 00:01:39.840 --> 00:01:44.200 Vibe check. Did we like the movie overall? How does 33 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:45.560 it stand the test of time? 34 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:49.239 And the movie started, I was pretty into it, and 35 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:50.239 I don't know. 36 00:01:50.200 --> 00:01:53.280 It just slowly deteriorated. 37 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:55.439 Got exhausting, Like the I felt like there was no 38 00:01:55.799 --> 00:01:58.400 like there's just like one tone the whole movie, and 39 00:01:58.439 --> 00:02:02.319 it was like never change and it became like a drag. 40 00:02:02.400 --> 00:02:03.519 Eventually it was. 41 00:02:03.560 --> 00:02:05.120 Too much men town for me. 42 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:10.039 Yeah, Like, women crash lands on planet only women they've 43 00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:14.879 seen for fifty years, and they treated as such and 44 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:19.000 it's just like, is this what men are? It's like 45 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:22.919 very poorly projective. It's a poor projection of what men 46 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:28.199 would be, even criminals. Right, But eventually they redeemed themselves 47 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:33.039 kind of, but none of the characters were like engaging. 48 00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:36.840 Even Ripley was kind of like one note, like you said, yeah. 49 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:39.479 And I need to point out that we watch the 50 00:02:39.560 --> 00:02:42.919 assembly cut of the movie, which I'll explain in a moment, 51 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:45.520 but it's a longer cut. That's it's not a director's 52 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:47.879 cut because they would venture didn't participate in it, but 53 00:02:48.120 --> 00:02:51.319 it is considered to be a better version of the movie, 54 00:02:51.479 --> 00:02:54.199 and it's longer and you get more character moments there, 55 00:02:54.560 --> 00:02:55.840 and I still felt. 56 00:02:55.599 --> 00:02:57.240 Like, still not good enough. 57 00:02:57.680 --> 00:03:00.280 There's just a lot of these old guys that I'm 58 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:04.159 having trouble keeping track of each of their personalities. 59 00:03:03.439 --> 00:03:06.520 Because yeah, yeah, I can't tell them apart. 60 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:09.800 They're all bald white guys except for those two black 61 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:13.199 men who are like one of them is kind of 62 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:15.560 pivotal to the plot and the other one's just kind 63 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:15.840 of there. 64 00:03:16.159 --> 00:03:19.319 When the movie started, I was kind of interested in, like, okay, 65 00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:22.599 it's we can tell it's changing tonees going back to 66 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:25.039 more of a thriller type of movie as opposed to 67 00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:28.400 the action movie that Aliens was. And then the music 68 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:31.360 felt different. It was eerie and it was intriguing. But 69 00:03:31.400 --> 00:03:33.240 then I don't know, like we killed off the main 70 00:03:33.319 --> 00:03:34.919 characters from the last movie and. 71 00:03:34.879 --> 00:03:36.960 We just like start from scratch. 72 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:38.960 Yeah, I don't know what. 73 00:03:39.280 --> 00:03:41.120 I would have been fine if they would have killed 74 00:03:41.120 --> 00:03:43.400 the little girl and let her have her gills or 75 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:45.759 whatever that guy was. That way, there would have been 76 00:03:45.800 --> 00:03:48.719 two v one, but I guess I didn't want to 77 00:03:48.719 --> 00:03:51.439 call him back or he wasn't available. But yeah, I 78 00:03:51.520 --> 00:03:53.479 just didn't know. It's not my cup of tea. 79 00:03:54.039 --> 00:03:55.960 I was hoping to enjoy it a little more than 80 00:03:55.960 --> 00:03:58.400 I did, And I'm trying to think of like were 81 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:00.840 there moments in there that I was into it? And 82 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:03.280 I don't know, not really. I feel like even like 83 00:04:03.319 --> 00:04:07.039 the color palette and the geography of the prison, everything 84 00:04:07.120 --> 00:04:08.560 like just all looked the same. 85 00:04:09.080 --> 00:04:15.719 Yeah, there was no differentiation in scenery. Like the romantic 86 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:20.600 relationship felt really hollow and forced, like, oh, well, you're 87 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:23.000 injecting me, so I should let you inject me in 88 00:04:23.079 --> 00:04:27.240 other ways. And it was it really threw me off 89 00:04:27.279 --> 00:04:32.519 that the main love interest was Taiwan leanister. So I 90 00:04:32.600 --> 00:04:35.600 could not get on board with that relationship. 91 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:39.160 Yeah, I know, just like if the tone had had 92 00:04:39.160 --> 00:04:41.720 some shifts throughout it, the energy had changed at any 93 00:04:41.759 --> 00:04:43.560 point other than like it it picked. 94 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:47.800 It was more engaging in some way, Like the direction 95 00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:52.040 just didn't give anything either. I think, Yeah, it was 96 00:04:52.120 --> 00:04:54.720 just weird. I didn't like it. I could see why 97 00:04:54.759 --> 00:04:57.480 this is the least popular one or has the worst 98 00:04:57.600 --> 00:04:58.759 like reviews. 99 00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:02.000 Yeah, and I guess performances were good, but even like 100 00:05:02.279 --> 00:05:05.480 Sigourney Weaver, this isn't on her highlight reel, like no, 101 00:05:05.879 --> 00:05:06.319 this is. 102 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:10.600 Crazy, Like she put her name on this and she 103 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:13.879 shaved her head for this, and like that moment should 104 00:05:13.879 --> 00:05:16.240 have been a big deal. Then they just cut to 105 00:05:16.279 --> 00:05:19.800 her in the bathroom like shaved whatever. Like I don't know. 106 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:22.399 A lot of women in the nineties started shaving their 107 00:05:22.439 --> 00:05:25.720 heads for films and stuff, and it was kind of 108 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:28.639 a popular trend to see bald women in the nineties. 109 00:05:28.680 --> 00:05:31.399 It would have been really powerful to see her getting 110 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:35.079 her haircut by one of those dudes and like giving 111 00:05:35.439 --> 00:05:37.720 some sort of but I don't know, there's kind of 112 00:05:37.759 --> 00:05:41.079 like a humiliation in shaving your head, right, like or 113 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:44.399 it's like an act of defiance. There's a lot of 114 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:47.519 like connotations for a woman shaving her head, and I 115 00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:50.800 wish they would have like highlighted it a little bit 116 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:53.199 more instead of just like cut to her being bald. 117 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:56.199 Yeah, So all right, let's get in the trivia. 118 00:05:56.279 --> 00:06:03.079 Okay, trivia time. What facts could we uncover for Alien three? 119 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:07.800 So? Alien three is the directorial debut of David Fincher, 120 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:11.160 who is now known for films like Fight Club, Social Network, 121 00:06:11.319 --> 00:06:15.639 Gone Girl. He previously worked primarily as a music video director. However, 122 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:18.079 the movie had several different writers and directors attached to 123 00:06:18.079 --> 00:06:20.040 it before it was handed off to him. The first 124 00:06:20.120 --> 00:06:23.480 concept settled on was a two movie plan which featured 125 00:06:23.639 --> 00:06:26.879 Michael Bains's character Corporal Hicks as a protagonist in the 126 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:29.279 third film with a focus on a Cold War metaphor 127 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:31.959 and the use of aliens as biological weapons, and then 128 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:34.360 Sigourney Weaver returning as a lead in a fourth film 129 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:36.560 which would be a climactic battle. So this script was 130 00:06:36.560 --> 00:06:39.319 written by William Gibson. Is primarily set in a space 131 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:42.360 station shopping mall with Ripley in a coma while Hicks 132 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:45.959 uncovers the Wayland Newtani Corporation are developing an alien army. 133 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:49.759 So this script has a considerable considerable following on the 134 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:52.319 Internet and is often referred to as being superior to 135 00:06:52.439 --> 00:06:55.399 the final film. And in twenty eighteen, the second draft 136 00:06:55.399 --> 00:06:57.720 of the script was adapted into a comic series, and 137 00:06:57.759 --> 00:07:00.439 in twenty nineteen for Aliens forty fan of vers and 138 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:02.959 audiobook of the script was released, featuring some of the 139 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:06.439 actors like Michael Bain and Lance Hendrickson. In twenty twenty one, 140 00:07:06.519 --> 00:07:08.560 a novel based on the first draft of the script 141 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:11.639 was published. So they've been really into this idea of 142 00:07:11.680 --> 00:07:14.600 this alternative script that they could have made right, and 143 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:17.800 fans are definitely wanted this version of it. M M. 144 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:20.240 So I just wanted to highlight that one because it 145 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:21.680 does get a lot of attention. 146 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:23.360 It seems the shopping mall one. 147 00:07:23.519 --> 00:07:26.759 Yeah. So the scripts then passed through several writers. There's 148 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:29.160 a lot of details about this online about how the 149 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:33.000 story evolved and was shifted involved. Yeah, and there's a 150 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:36.319 whole documentary actually about the production of this movie and 151 00:07:36.360 --> 00:07:37.439 what a disaster it was. 152 00:07:37.680 --> 00:07:38.199 Oh wow. 153 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:41.040 So there's a couple directors attached prior to David Fincher, 154 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:44.000 and he had to begin shooting without a finished script. Yeah. 155 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:46.920 So there's a documentary titled Wreckage and Rage, which details 156 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:49.759 the troubled production of Alien three. Sojourney Weaver was offered 157 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:52.639 four million plus the share of the box office to return, 158 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:55.920 and her character sacrifice was her idea. She intended to 159 00:07:55.959 --> 00:07:58.199 conclude her role in the franchise, and. 160 00:07:58.160 --> 00:08:01.439 The way she went out was so like anti climactic. 161 00:08:02.199 --> 00:08:04.600 Yeah, and like, I don't know, the idea kind of works, 162 00:08:04.600 --> 00:08:06.680 but the effects made it cheesy. 163 00:08:06.720 --> 00:08:07.959 It made it so bad. 164 00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:10.759 I wish you would have gotten her throat slit by 165 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:13.199 one of the murderers. He's like, okay, baby, I'll do 166 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:15.120 it for you, you know what I mean. It would have 167 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:18.439 been more like visceral and intimate somehow. 168 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:21.199 David Fincher's cut of the movie was three hours long, 169 00:08:21.399 --> 00:08:23.800 but the studio forced it down the two hours, So 170 00:08:23.839 --> 00:08:27.680 that's the theatrical cut, which people generally don't like. The 171 00:08:27.720 --> 00:08:29.920 budget was fifty to sixty million, and it made one 172 00:08:29.959 --> 00:08:32.879 hundred and sixty million at the box office. Critical reception 173 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:36.200 was mixed, with praise going towards the visuals and Sigourney 174 00:08:36.200 --> 00:08:39.440 Weaver's performance and criticism aimed that the plot, script, and 175 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:42.200 action sequences. A number of casts and crew from the 176 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:46.080 franchise expressed their disappointment with the film story. James Cameron 177 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:48.440 regarded the decision to kill off the characters of Bishop 178 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:50.639 Newton Hicks as they slap in the face to him 179 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:53.000 and to the fans of the previous film, and David 180 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:57.080 Fincher himself has dis own the film, citing extensive studio interference. 181 00:08:57.519 --> 00:09:01.440 Dang, James Cameron, like that us his baby, because he 182 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:04.000 wrote that script. So I could see how he would be, 183 00:09:04.159 --> 00:09:07.679 like so upset about that. Yeah, I wasn't that upset 184 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:09.519 that they killed off those characters. 185 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:12.840 So when the Alien Quadrilogy box set was released in 186 00:09:12.879 --> 00:09:15.320 two thousand and three, David Fincher was the only director 187 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:18.440 to not participate in the Director's cut. Instead, an extended 188 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:20.799 version called the Assembly Cut was created based on his 189 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:24.679 editing notes. That's what BB and I watched today. The 190 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:28.679 Assembly Cut contains thirty minutes of extended, alternate and previously 191 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:32.759 deleted scenes and alternative key plot elements. Then, the two 192 00:09:32.799 --> 00:09:34.679 thousand and three version did not have full sound or 193 00:09:34.679 --> 00:09:36.879 color work done to the additional scenes, but the twenty 194 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:39.960 ten Blu Ray version went through full post production, including 195 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:42.919 bringing back the actors to record dialogue, which I remember, 196 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:44.960 I think the one time before this that I've seen 197 00:09:44.960 --> 00:09:47.559 this movie. I saw that two thousand and three version, 198 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:49.799 and like there'd be random points in the movie when 199 00:09:49.799 --> 00:09:53.080 it would cut to a scene that clearly looks different, 200 00:09:53.159 --> 00:09:55.840 like they hadn't done the color grading on it, Like 201 00:09:55.879 --> 00:09:58.039 it looks like they cut to like videotape. 202 00:09:58.120 --> 00:09:58.519 Oh wow. 203 00:09:58.600 --> 00:10:00.039 And then you can't hear a lot of the the 204 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:03.039 lines of dialogue because they never re recorded them, so 205 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:06.559 they just had like subtitles for random scenes, So you 206 00:10:06.639 --> 00:10:09.480 definitely felt like you were watching some like work in progress. 207 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:11.960 Oh well, but I guess it was popular enough that 208 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:14.720 they went back and readid it all? Critics said generally 209 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:17.000 regarded the Assembly Cut to be a superior version of 210 00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:19.519 the film, so differences in the two versions. The theatrical 211 00:10:19.519 --> 00:10:22.960 cut greatly reduces the first act. The Assembly Cut features 212 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:26.240 exteriors of the prison colony, a sequence where Ripley's unconscious 213 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:29.320 body is found washed on the beach, and it better 214 00:10:29.360 --> 00:10:32.360 sets up the planet's aggressive looking lice, which is the 215 00:10:32.399 --> 00:10:35.480 explanation for Ripley's hair being shaved off. In the theatrical version, 216 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:38.559 Ripley's unconscious body is simply found in the salvage escape pot. 217 00:10:38.639 --> 00:10:41.200 The theatrical cut has the alien bursting out of a 218 00:10:41.279 --> 00:10:44.639 dog one of the inmates pet, and the assembly cut 219 00:10:44.720 --> 00:10:47.440 establishes that the prisoners have livestock and the alien bursts 220 00:10:47.440 --> 00:10:49.559 out of an ox. Now, the character of Gallic has 221 00:10:49.679 --> 00:10:51.759 very few scenes in the theatrical cut, and his fate 222 00:10:51.840 --> 00:10:54.320 is never shown or the assembly cut gives him far 223 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:56.039 more to do, and he is involved in helping the 224 00:10:56.039 --> 00:10:58.720 alien escape after Ripley and Dylan's trap it, and the 225 00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:01.840 alien kills him after this. And then in the assembly 226 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:05.919 a cut, we watched Ripley fall into the furnace, sacrificing yourself. 227 00:11:06.080 --> 00:11:09.320 But in the theatrial cut they went back and did reshoots, 228 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:12.200 and they added a chest burster erupting from her torso 229 00:11:12.279 --> 00:11:16.039 as she falls. Then theatrical cut also removed numerous dialogue scenes, 230 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:18.639 which went a long way to help audiences distinguished between 231 00:11:18.679 --> 00:11:20.320 all the shaven headed inmates. 232 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:22.519 I still couldn't tell them a start, dude. 233 00:11:23.039 --> 00:11:25.600 I imagine how lowt it would be in the other version. 234 00:11:25.759 --> 00:11:32.720 Oh God, deep space dive. Let's break down some of 235 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:35.799 our thoughts on the film. You can share your thoughts 236 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:39.279 with us through email or social media. We may use 237 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:42.200 your comments on an upcoming episode. 238 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:45.879 Alien cubed no reason why they stylized it like that 239 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:48.440 just looks high tech, It. 240 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:50.159 Looks modern and nineties. 241 00:11:51.240 --> 00:11:52.399 Ooh, this is sci fi. 242 00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:57.200 Well, this movie was not for me. I was surprised 243 00:11:57.279 --> 00:12:00.279 by the amount of blood that it had, had a 244 00:12:00.279 --> 00:12:04.440 lot of blood. Yeah, but it just it was like 245 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:10.279 random and like ineffective in my in my opinion, Yeah, I. 246 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:12.000 Don't I don't really know what to make of it. 247 00:12:12.039 --> 00:12:16.320 Like reading all the backstory, it's like, yeah, this clearly 248 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:19.240 was like the studio was forcing a movie out before 249 00:12:19.279 --> 00:12:21.559 you want to get the shit together. Yeah, and I 250 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:24.519 don't know what we gained from it, like what. 251 00:12:24.919 --> 00:12:28.480 We lost Ripley if anything. Yeah, which is sad that 252 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:30.679 this is the last movie that she's going to be 253 00:12:30.759 --> 00:12:34.679 in this This would be I would be so upset 254 00:12:34.799 --> 00:12:38.279 about it. I would I would not have taken any 255 00:12:38.440 --> 00:12:42.000 sort of money or payment until I was happy with 256 00:12:42.080 --> 00:12:46.080 the script. And obviously it's not a director problem, because 257 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:50.039 this director is good. So it seems like the tools 258 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:53.320 that were given were not good. And you can tell, 259 00:12:53.360 --> 00:12:56.120 like I don't know. It feels like the art department 260 00:12:56.360 --> 00:12:59.440 wasn't as strong in this one either. I don't I 261 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:04.120 can I maybe in the nineties it was good, but 262 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:08.720 like the CGI xenomorph was just like not aesthetic. 263 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:11.840 Yeah, I mean, let's talk about that, because that's like 264 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:14.120 when I'm there, like trying to get into the movie 265 00:13:14.440 --> 00:13:16.879 and then like these effects. That is from what I 266 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:19.279 know because I watched a YouTube video that was talking 267 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:21.720 about the effects in this movie, and I think they 268 00:13:21.840 --> 00:13:25.240 like they recorded like puppetry of the alien and then 269 00:13:25.559 --> 00:13:27.879 they rotoscoped it out, which means like they basically cut 270 00:13:27.919 --> 00:13:29.919 it out and then placed it instead of the movie 271 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:33.080 and like you can just tell that effect, like that 272 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:35.440 this slicer is not part of the scene. It's got 273 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:38.799 weird shadowing happening that doesn't match. It's just like the 274 00:13:38.879 --> 00:13:42.279 contrast is off and it Yeah, it's like there's such 275 00:13:42.320 --> 00:13:45.120 a clear difference when they are compositing it into the 276 00:13:45.159 --> 00:13:48.480 scene versus when they have you know, a physical prop there. 277 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:49.039 Yeah. 278 00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:53.200 Yeah, the prop was really good, but the CGI of 279 00:13:53.279 --> 00:13:58.360 it running around was just like awful. It took you 280 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:00.679 out and you were and it looked like a weird 281 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:04.000 cat or something. The way it was running. Yeah, and 282 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:06.399 I wanted it to not be so animal like. I 283 00:14:06.440 --> 00:14:09.480 wanted it to be more prep like like a dinosaur 284 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:12.799 almost where it walks on two legs instead of four. 285 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:15.200 I don't know why I would prefer that, but I 286 00:14:15.240 --> 00:14:19.159 think it's been presented, is that in previous movies? 287 00:14:19.480 --> 00:14:21.679 Yeah, so I guess the idea that they're going for 288 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:25.120 is that it takes on the characteristics of the host 289 00:14:25.159 --> 00:14:26.080 that it hatches out of. 290 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:27.679 Oh, so it's more bovine. 291 00:14:27.799 --> 00:14:29.639 So it came out of the either an ox or 292 00:14:29.639 --> 00:14:31.720 a dog depending on which version you watch. But a 293 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:32.639 four legged creature. 294 00:14:32.919 --> 00:14:35.000 Oh that's stupid. I hate that. 295 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:38.159 So yeah, I mean that definitely drags it down. And 296 00:14:38.320 --> 00:14:41.360 maybe it wasn't as obviously bad when it came out, 297 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:42.639 but it does not hold up. 298 00:14:42.879 --> 00:14:44.519 No, it does not hold up at all. 299 00:14:44.759 --> 00:14:47.720 And then the sets like not that they look bad, 300 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:49.919 it's just there was no diversity. 301 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:51.639 Yeah, they're very one note. 302 00:14:51.840 --> 00:14:54.200 Yeah, it's just a weird choice to like place this 303 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:57.519 whole movie like inside, Like this is a sci fi 304 00:14:57.799 --> 00:14:58.960 space franchise. 305 00:14:59.320 --> 00:15:04.759 Well, like thinking about a prison that's turned into a convent, 306 00:15:04.960 --> 00:15:06.240 you would think that they would. 307 00:15:06.039 --> 00:15:08.200 Paint the walls or something I don't know. 308 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:12.879 And I'm thinking of like the Star Wars show and 309 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:16.480 or and that space prison and how bright and light 310 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:23.320 it was and how like it was still really like bleak, 311 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:26.919 like in corporate I don't know, I can I like 312 00:15:27.279 --> 00:15:30.320 it was still giving oil refinery. Yeah, And I'm like, 313 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:32.279 I don't get it. I don't get it. Is this 314 00:15:32.360 --> 00:15:37.279 a prison? And then they're all religious and like I 315 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:41.000 don't know they they they say a men and do 316 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:43.840 like a fist. It was very I don't know what 317 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:47.200 they were trying to do, and it just didn't feel organic. 318 00:15:47.519 --> 00:15:50.240 Yeah, exactly, like we're going to set this on a 319 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:54.039 planet with a prison, and like we don't really explore 320 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:57.759 that idea of like what's this like private companies owning 321 00:15:57.919 --> 00:15:58.399 a prison? 322 00:15:59.080 --> 00:16:00.879 That would have been really interesting. 323 00:16:01.240 --> 00:16:05.080 Yeah, like let's let's dive into that. Let's corporate prisons. Yeah, 324 00:16:05.159 --> 00:16:07.799 because like we're still kind of putting the corporation as 325 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:11.159 a villain in this movie, like they own a prison, 326 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:14.600 and that's just okay, not exploring that much more. And 327 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:17.519 then there's a religious through line in this, but I 328 00:16:17.559 --> 00:16:19.679 don't know that they really flesh it out. I mean 329 00:16:19.679 --> 00:16:22.720 it because it kind of it culminates in ripley sacrificing 330 00:16:22.759 --> 00:16:26.799 yourself with a Jesus pose, But like what we set 331 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:29.080 that up? Really like it's just like there's no payoff. 332 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:32.440 No one talks about Jesus or a savior or anything, 333 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:35.279 which would have been like really key. I think if 334 00:16:35.279 --> 00:16:38.759 you were going to develop this like belief system, I 335 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:40.840 think it would have been nice to kind of build 336 00:16:40.919 --> 00:16:44.399 up a savior and then if her sacrifice would have 337 00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:47.879 been more, there would have been more payoff at the end. 338 00:16:48.159 --> 00:16:51.639 It just felt so hollow that she just jumped after 339 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:53.840 all that, Like she didn't want to kill herself in 340 00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:57.919 the beginning, and it's like, I don't understand you. How 341 00:16:57.960 --> 00:17:01.360 are you like throughout this whole, like since you found 342 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:04.839 out that you are the carrier of the next like 343 00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:09.079 egg layer, you don't want to die, but you want 344 00:17:09.079 --> 00:17:10.920 to kill it and you want to die by the 345 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:14.319 hands of somebody else. And then at the end you 346 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:16.559 change your mind and you're like, all right, well I'll 347 00:17:16.599 --> 00:17:19.319 just jump. I thought, seriously, I thought she was going 348 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:22.680 to have that guy slit her throat like please kill me, 349 00:17:22.920 --> 00:17:26.440 like please kill me so that because I have one 350 00:17:26.440 --> 00:17:29.119 of them inside of me, and then like it would 351 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:32.720 have been like, you know, he's already a prisoner, so 352 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:35.200 he would have been like, I have nothing to lose. 353 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:38.039 And I've experienced this and this is terrible. Nobody should 354 00:17:38.079 --> 00:17:39.960 go through this, and then it would have like changed 355 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:43.240 the narrative for that character. But I don't know. It 356 00:17:43.359 --> 00:17:46.079 just it felt really hollow, like I didn't like. 357 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:49.720 And sudden she's like, all right, I'm gonna go behind this, 358 00:17:50.519 --> 00:17:54.680 uh what is it? Like a chain link fence, and 359 00:17:54.720 --> 00:17:57.319 I'm gonna ride in this like crane and then I'm 360 00:17:57.319 --> 00:18:01.119 gonna jump into this thing that's not been established it all, 361 00:18:01.119 --> 00:18:04.240 and all of a sudden, there's like molten lava or something. 362 00:18:05.240 --> 00:18:08.440 I don't know. Did you like any of the side characters. 363 00:18:10.079 --> 00:18:13.119 I mean I was somewhat interested in Taiwan lanister. 364 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:16.160 He was fucking boring to me. 365 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:19.519 The way he talked to her as a patient, the 366 00:18:19.559 --> 00:18:21.680 same way that he talked to her after they got 367 00:18:21.720 --> 00:18:24.440 out of bed. Yeah, there was no change in tone 368 00:18:24.599 --> 00:18:28.319 or like, there was no like care and affection, there 369 00:18:28.400 --> 00:18:28.960 was nothing. 370 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:31.279 No, I didn't see any point to them hooking up. 371 00:18:31.559 --> 00:18:34.440 No, it was just like he was there first, so 372 00:18:34.680 --> 00:18:37.200 she decides to fuck him or what yeah, or he's 373 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:39.799 not a prisoner, but he's got a fucking tattoo. 374 00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:41.480 Girl, so what are you doing? 375 00:18:43.119 --> 00:18:46.680 And she just lost like her other love interests, like 376 00:18:46.960 --> 00:18:50.440 not that long ago perceived, Like if you think about 377 00:18:50.480 --> 00:18:54.160 like the Criageina Sleep, it would have been yesterday that 378 00:18:54.240 --> 00:18:56.640 she was hanging out with this guy and they didn't 379 00:18:56.640 --> 00:18:59.759 hook up, but they had like a little something something 380 00:18:59.839 --> 00:19:03.440 going on. So it just I feel like it would 381 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:06.720 have been interesting to see her grieving and him holding 382 00:19:06.759 --> 00:19:10.200 her and then them kind of getting together as he 383 00:19:10.359 --> 00:19:13.799 was like helping her grieve the loss of the life 384 00:19:13.839 --> 00:19:16.920 that she would have had with these other two people 385 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:22.119 that she was escaping the horrible like other planet that 386 00:19:22.200 --> 00:19:24.640 she was on or whatever. But there was none of that, 387 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:28.759 Like I don't know, like why can't they do romance 388 00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:32.799 in this franchise? Even in the last movie, it was 389 00:19:32.920 --> 00:19:36.680 just like I mean, if you didn't watch the extended cut. 390 00:19:36.559 --> 00:19:40.599 There was no romance. Yeah, So I don't know. It's weird. 391 00:19:40.839 --> 00:19:43.759 It's really weird, and it's very hollow, and it just 392 00:19:43.839 --> 00:19:46.880 feels it feels very masculine in the way that it 393 00:19:46.960 --> 00:19:50.920 was like romantically entangled, like very matter of fact, like 394 00:19:51.319 --> 00:19:55.680 I'm in your cot Ugh like I don't know, it 395 00:19:55.839 --> 00:19:59.720 just felt weird and I didn't like it. I think 396 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:05.039 we have a romance formula already in movies. Romance is 397 00:20:05.119 --> 00:20:08.440 like really easy to establish and to like put into 398 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:11.119 a film, and I don't think there was any effort 399 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:14.079 put into this like romantic relationship at all. 400 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:16.160 Yeah, because she's just like I've been out here a 401 00:20:16.200 --> 00:20:18.599