Speaker 1: Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason, this week
Speaker 1: covering the nineteen ninety two film Alien three.
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Speaker 3: I'm BB and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the
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Speaker 3: three today, so if there's any discussion of subsequent entries
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Speaker 3: speaking on that film at all, but we are talking about.
Speaker 3: Alien three, which premiered on May twenty second, nineteen ninety two,
Speaker 3: written by David Geiler, Walter Hill, and Larry Ferguson, was
Speaker 3: a story by Vincent Ward and directed by David Fincher.
Speaker 3: In this movie, Ellen Ripley is the only survivor when
Speaker 3: she crashed lands on Fiorina one six ' one ableak
Speaker 3: wasteland inhabited by the former inmates of the planet's maximum
Speaker 3: security prison. Once again, Ripley must face skepticism and the
Speaker 3: alien as it hunts down the prisoners and guards. Without
Speaker 3: weapons or modern technology of any kind, Ripley leads the
Speaker 3: men into battle against the terrifying creature.
Speaker 1: Vibe check. Did we like the movie overall? How does
Speaker 1: it stand the test of time?
Speaker 3: And the movie started, I was pretty into it, and
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It just slowly deteriorated.
Speaker 3: Got exhausting, Like the I felt like there was no
Speaker 3: like there's just like one tone the whole movie, and
Speaker 3: it was like never change and it became like a drag.
Speaker 3: Eventually it was.
Speaker 2: Too much men town for me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, women crash lands on planet only women they've
Speaker 4: seen for fifty years, and they treated as such and
Speaker 4: it's just like, is this what men are? It's like
Speaker 4: very poorly projective. It's a poor projection of what men
Speaker 4: would be, even criminals. Right, But eventually they redeemed themselves
Speaker 4: kind of, but none of the characters were like engaging.
Speaker 4: Even Ripley was kind of like one note, like you said, yeah.
Speaker 3: And I need to point out that we watch the
Speaker 3: assembly cut of the movie, which I'll explain in a moment,
Speaker 3: but it's a longer cut. That's it's not a director's
Speaker 3: cut because they would venture didn't participate in it, but
Speaker 3: it is considered to be a better version of the movie,
Speaker 3: and it's longer and you get more character moments there,
Speaker 3: and I still felt.
Speaker 2: Like, still not good enough.
Speaker 3: There's just a lot of these old guys that I'm
Speaker 3: having trouble keeping track of each of their personalities.
Speaker 2: Because yeah, yeah, I can't tell them apart.
Speaker 4: They're all bald white guys except for those two black
Speaker 4: men who are like one of them is kind of
Speaker 4: pivotal to the plot and the other one's just kind
Speaker 4: of there.
Speaker 3: When the movie started, I was kind of interested in, like, okay,
Speaker 3: it's we can tell it's changing tonees going back to
Speaker 3: more of a thriller type of movie as opposed to
Speaker 3: the action movie that Aliens was. And then the music
Speaker 3: felt different. It was eerie and it was intriguing. But
Speaker 3: then I don't know, like we killed off the main
Speaker 3: characters from the last movie and.
Speaker 2: We just like start from scratch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what.
Speaker 4: I would have been fine if they would have killed
Speaker 4: the little girl and let her have her gills or
Speaker 4: whatever that guy was. That way, there would have been
Speaker 4: two v one, but I guess I didn't want to
Speaker 4: call him back or he wasn't available. But yeah, I
Speaker 4: just didn't know. It's not my cup of tea.
Speaker 3: I was hoping to enjoy it a little more than
Speaker 3: I did, And I'm trying to think of like were
Speaker 3: there moments in there that I was into it? And
Speaker 3: I don't know, not really. I feel like even like
Speaker 3: the color palette and the geography of the prison, everything
Speaker 3: like just all looked the same.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was no differentiation in scenery. Like the romantic
Speaker 4: relationship felt really hollow and forced, like, oh, well, you're
Speaker 4: injecting me, so I should let you inject me in
Speaker 4: other ways. And it was it really threw me off
Speaker 4: that the main love interest was Taiwan leanister. So I
Speaker 4: could not get on board with that relationship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, just like if the tone had had
Speaker 3: some shifts throughout it, the energy had changed at any
Speaker 3: point other than like it it picked.
Speaker 4: It was more engaging in some way, Like the direction
Speaker 4: just didn't give anything either. I think, Yeah, it was
Speaker 4: just weird. I didn't like it. I could see why
Speaker 4: this is the least popular one or has the worst
Speaker 4: like reviews.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I guess performances were good, but even like
Speaker 3: Sigourney Weaver, this isn't on her highlight reel, like no,
Speaker 3: this is.
Speaker 4: Crazy, Like she put her name on this and she
Speaker 4: shaved her head for this, and like that moment should
Speaker 4: have been a big deal. Then they just cut to
Speaker 4: her in the bathroom like shaved whatever. Like I don't know.
Speaker 4: A lot of women in the nineties started shaving their
Speaker 4: heads for films and stuff, and it was kind of
Speaker 4: a popular trend to see bald women in the nineties.
Speaker 4: It would have been really powerful to see her getting
Speaker 4: her haircut by one of those dudes and like giving
Speaker 4: some sort of but I don't know, there's kind of
Speaker 4: like a humiliation in shaving your head, right, like or
Speaker 4: it's like an act of defiance. There's a lot of
Speaker 4: like connotations for a woman shaving her head, and I
Speaker 4: wish they would have like highlighted it a little bit
Speaker 4: more instead of just like cut to her being bald.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So all right, let's get in the trivia.
Speaker 1: Okay, trivia time. What facts could we uncover for Alien three?
Speaker 3: So? Alien three is the directorial debut of David Fincher,
Speaker 3: who is now known for films like Fight Club, Social Network,
Speaker 3: Gone Girl. He previously worked primarily as a music video director. However,
Speaker 3: the movie had several different writers and directors attached to
Speaker 3: it before it was handed off to him. The first
Speaker 3: concept settled on was a two movie plan which featured
Speaker 3: Michael Bains's character Corporal Hicks as a protagonist in the
Speaker 3: third film with a focus on a Cold War metaphor
Speaker 3: and the use of aliens as biological weapons, and then
Speaker 3: Sigourney Weaver returning as a lead in a fourth film
Speaker 3: which would be a climactic battle. So this script was
Speaker 3: written by William Gibson. Is primarily set in a space
Speaker 3: station shopping mall with Ripley in a coma while Hicks
Speaker 3: uncovers the Wayland Newtani Corporation are developing an alien army.
Speaker 3: So this script has a considerable considerable following on the
Speaker 3: Internet and is often referred to as being superior to
Speaker 3: the final film. And in twenty eighteen, the second draft
Speaker 3: of the script was adapted into a comic series, and
Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen for Aliens forty fan of vers and
Speaker 3: audiobook of the script was released, featuring some of the
Speaker 3: actors like Michael Bain and Lance Hendrickson. In twenty twenty one,
Speaker 3: a novel based on the first draft of the script
Speaker 3: was published. So they've been really into this idea of
Speaker 3: this alternative script that they could have made right, and
Speaker 3: fans are definitely wanted this version of it. M M.
Speaker 3: So I just wanted to highlight that one because it
Speaker 3: does get a lot of attention.
Speaker 2: It seems the shopping mall one.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So the scripts then passed through several writers. There's
Speaker 3: a lot of details about this online about how the
Speaker 3: story evolved and was shifted involved. Yeah, and there's a
Speaker 3: whole documentary actually about the production of this movie and
Speaker 3: what a disaster it was.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 3: So there's a couple directors attached prior to David Fincher,
Speaker 3: and he had to begin shooting without a finished script. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So there's a documentary titled Wreckage and Rage, which details
Speaker 3: the troubled production of Alien three. Sojourney Weaver was offered
Speaker 3: four million plus the share of the box office to return,
Speaker 3: and her character sacrifice was her idea. She intended to
Speaker 3: conclude her role in the franchise, and.
Speaker 2: The way she went out was so like anti climactic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like, I don't know, the idea kind of works,
Speaker 3: but the effects made it cheesy.
Speaker 2: It made it so bad.
Speaker 4: I wish you would have gotten her throat slit by
Speaker 4: one of the murderers. He's like, okay, baby, I'll do
Speaker 4: it for you, you know what I mean. It would have
Speaker 4: been more like visceral and intimate somehow.
Speaker 3: David Fincher's cut of the movie was three hours long,
Speaker 3: but the studio forced it down the two hours, So
Speaker 3: that's the theatrical cut, which people generally don't like. The
Speaker 3: budget was fifty to sixty million, and it made one
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty million at the box office. Critical reception
Speaker 3: was mixed, with praise going towards the visuals and Sigourney
Speaker 3: Weaver's performance and criticism aimed that the plot, script, and
Speaker 3: action sequences. A number of casts and crew from the
Speaker 3: franchise expressed their disappointment with the film story. James Cameron
Speaker 3: regarded the decision to kill off the characters of Bishop
Speaker 3: Newton Hicks as they slap in the face to him
Speaker 3: and to the fans of the previous film, and David
Speaker 3: Fincher himself has dis own the film, citing extensive studio interference.
Speaker 4: Dang, James Cameron, like that us his baby, because he
Speaker 4: wrote that script. So I could see how he would be,
Speaker 4: like so upset about that. Yeah, I wasn't that upset
Speaker 4: that they killed off those characters.
Speaker 3: So when the Alien Quadrilogy box set was released in
Speaker 3: two thousand and three, David Fincher was the only director
Speaker 3: to not participate in the Director's cut. Instead, an extended
Speaker 3: version called the Assembly Cut was created based on his
Speaker 3: editing notes. That's what BB and I watched today. The
Speaker 3: Assembly Cut contains thirty minutes of extended, alternate and previously
Speaker 3: deleted scenes and alternative key plot elements. Then, the two
Speaker 3: thousand and three version did not have full sound or
Speaker 3: color work done to the additional scenes, but the twenty
Speaker 3: ten Blu Ray version went through full post production, including
Speaker 3: bringing back the actors to record dialogue, which I remember,
Speaker 3: I think the one time before this that I've seen
Speaker 3: this movie. I saw that two thousand and three version,
Speaker 3: and like there'd be random points in the movie when
Speaker 3: it would cut to a scene that clearly looks different,
Speaker 3: like they hadn't done the color grading on it, Like
Speaker 3: it looks like they cut to like videotape.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 3: And then you can't hear a lot of the the
Speaker 3: lines of dialogue because they never re recorded them, so
Speaker 3: they just had like subtitles for random scenes, So you
Speaker 3: definitely felt like you were watching some like work in progress.
Speaker 3: Oh well, but I guess it was popular enough that
Speaker 3: they went back and readid it all? Critics said generally
Speaker 3: regarded the Assembly Cut to be a superior version of
Speaker 3: the film, so differences in the two versions. The theatrical
Speaker 3: cut greatly reduces the first act. The Assembly Cut features
Speaker 3: exteriors of the prison colony, a sequence where Ripley's unconscious
Speaker 3: body is found washed on the beach, and it better
Speaker 3: sets up the planet's aggressive looking lice, which is the
Speaker 3: explanation for Ripley's hair being shaved off. In the theatrical version,
Speaker 3: Ripley's unconscious body is simply found in the salvage escape pot.
Speaker 3: The theatrical cut has the alien bursting out of a
Speaker 3: dog one of the inmates pet, and the assembly cut
Speaker 3: establishes that the prisoners have livestock and the alien bursts
Speaker 3: out of an ox. Now, the character of Gallic has
Speaker 3: very few scenes in the theatrical cut, and his fate
Speaker 3: is never shown or the assembly cut gives him far
Speaker 3: more to do, and he is involved in helping the
Speaker 3: alien escape after Ripley and Dylan's trap it, and the
Speaker 3: alien kills him after this. And then in the assembly
Speaker 3: a cut, we watched Ripley fall into the furnace, sacrificing yourself.
Speaker 3: But in the theatrial cut they went back and did reshoots,
Speaker 3: and they added a chest burster erupting from her torso
Speaker 3: as she falls. Then theatrical cut also removed numerous dialogue scenes,
Speaker 3: which went a long way to help audiences distinguished between
Speaker 3: all the shaven headed inmates.
Speaker 2: I still couldn't tell them a start, dude.
Speaker 3: I imagine how lowt it would be in the other version.
Speaker 1: Oh God, deep space dive. Let's break down some of
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Speaker 3: Alien cubed no reason why they stylized it like that
Speaker 3: just looks high tech, It.
Speaker 2: Looks modern and nineties.
Speaker 3: Ooh, this is sci fi.
Speaker 4: Well, this movie was not for me. I was surprised
Speaker 4: by the amount of blood that it had, had a
Speaker 4: lot of blood. Yeah, but it just it was like
Speaker 4: random and like ineffective in my in my opinion, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Don't I don't really know what to make of it.
Speaker 3: Like reading all the backstory, it's like, yeah, this clearly
Speaker 3: was like the studio was forcing a movie out before
Speaker 3: you want to get the shit together. Yeah, and I
Speaker 3: don't know what we gained from it, like what.
Speaker 4: We lost Ripley if anything. Yeah, which is sad that
Speaker 4: this is the last movie that she's going to be
Speaker 4: in this This would be I would be so upset
Speaker 4: about it. I would I would not have taken any
Speaker 4: sort of money or payment until I was happy with
Speaker 4: the script. And obviously it's not a director problem, because
Speaker 4: this director is good. So it seems like the tools
Speaker 4: that were given were not good. And you can tell,
Speaker 4: like I don't know. It feels like the art department
Speaker 4: wasn't as strong in this one either. I don't I
Speaker 4: can I maybe in the nineties it was good, but
Speaker 4: like the CGI xenomorph was just like not aesthetic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, let's talk about that, because that's like
Speaker 3: when I'm there, like trying to get into the movie
Speaker 3: and then like these effects. That is from what I
Speaker 3: know because I watched a YouTube video that was talking
Speaker 3: about the effects in this movie, and I think they
Speaker 3: like they recorded like puppetry of the alien and then
Speaker 3: they rotoscoped it out, which means like they basically cut
Speaker 3: it out and then placed it instead of the movie
Speaker 3: and like you can just tell that effect, like that
Speaker 3: this slicer is not part of the scene. It's got
Speaker 3: weird shadowing happening that doesn't match. It's just like the
Speaker 3: contrast is off and it Yeah, it's like there's such
Speaker 3: a clear difference when they are compositing it into the
Speaker 3: scene versus when they have you know, a physical prop there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the prop was really good, but the CGI of
Speaker 4: it running around was just like awful. It took you
Speaker 4: out and you were and it looked like a weird
Speaker 4: cat or something. The way it was running. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: I wanted it to not be so animal like. I
Speaker 4: wanted it to be more prep like like a dinosaur
Speaker 4: almost where it walks on two legs instead of four.
Speaker 4: I don't know why I would prefer that, but I
Speaker 4: think it's been presented, is that in previous movies?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I guess the idea that they're going for
Speaker 3: is that it takes on the characteristics of the host
Speaker 3: that it hatches out of.
Speaker 2: Oh, so it's more bovine.
Speaker 3: So it came out of the either an ox or
Speaker 3: a dog depending on which version you watch. But a
Speaker 3: four legged creature.
Speaker 2: Oh that's stupid. I hate that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean that definitely drags it down. And
Speaker 3: maybe it wasn't as obviously bad when it came out,
Speaker 3: but it does not hold up.
Speaker 2: No, it does not hold up at all.
Speaker 3: And then the sets like not that they look bad,
Speaker 3: it's just there was no diversity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're very one note.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just a weird choice to like place this
Speaker 3: whole movie like inside, Like this is a sci fi
Speaker 3: space franchise.
Speaker 4: Well, like thinking about a prison that's turned into a convent,
Speaker 4: you would think that they would.
Speaker 2: Paint the walls or something I don't know.
Speaker 4: And I'm thinking of like the Star Wars show and
Speaker 4: or and that space prison and how bright and light
Speaker 4: it was and how like it was still really like bleak,
Speaker 4: like in corporate I don't know, I can I like
Speaker 4: it was still giving oil refinery. Yeah, And I'm like,
Speaker 4: I don't get it. I don't get it. Is this
Speaker 4: a prison? And then they're all religious and like I
Speaker 4: don't know they they they say a men and do
Speaker 4: like a fist. It was very I don't know what
Speaker 4: they were trying to do, and it just didn't feel organic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, like we're going to set this on a
Speaker 3: planet with a prison, and like we don't really explore
Speaker 3: that idea of like what's this like private companies owning
Speaker 3: a prison?
Speaker 2: That would have been really interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like let's let's dive into that. Let's corporate prisons. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because like we're still kind of putting the corporation as
Speaker 3: a villain in this movie, like they own a prison,
Speaker 3: and that's just okay, not exploring that much more. And
Speaker 3: then there's a religious through line in this, but I
Speaker 3: don't know that they really flesh it out. I mean
Speaker 3: it because it kind of it culminates in ripley sacrificing
Speaker 3: yourself with a Jesus pose, But like what we set
Speaker 3: that up? Really like it's just like there's no payoff.
Speaker 4: No one talks about Jesus or a savior or anything,
Speaker 4: which would have been like really key. I think if
Speaker 4: you were going to develop this like belief system, I
Speaker 4: think it would have been nice to kind of build
Speaker 4: up a savior and then if her sacrifice would have
Speaker 4: been more, there would have been more payoff at the end.
Speaker 4: It just felt so hollow that she just jumped after
Speaker 4: all that, Like she didn't want to kill herself in
Speaker 4: the beginning, and it's like, I don't understand you. How
Speaker 4: are you like throughout this whole, like since you found
Speaker 4: out that you are the carrier of the next like
Speaker 4: egg layer, you don't want to die, but you want
Speaker 4: to kill it and you want to die by the
Speaker 4: hands of somebody else. And then at the end you
Speaker 4: change your mind and you're like, all right, well I'll
Speaker 4: just jump. I thought, seriously, I thought she was going
Speaker 4: to have that guy slit her throat like please kill me,
Speaker 4: like please kill me so that because I have one
Speaker 4: of them inside of me, and then like it would
Speaker 4: have been like, you know, he's already a prisoner, so
Speaker 4: he would have been like, I have nothing to lose.
Speaker 2: And I've experienced this and this is terrible. Nobody should
Speaker 2: go through this, and then it would have like changed
Speaker 2: the narrative for that character. But I don't know. It
Speaker 2: just it felt really hollow, like I didn't like.
Speaker 4: And sudden she's like, all right, I'm gonna go behind this,
Speaker 4: uh what is it? Like a chain link fence, and
Speaker 4: I'm gonna ride in this like crane and then I'm
Speaker 4: gonna jump into this thing that's not been established it all,
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, there's like molten lava or something.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Did you like any of the side characters.
Speaker 3: I mean I was somewhat interested in Taiwan lanister.
Speaker 2: He was fucking boring to me.
Speaker 4: The way he talked to her as a patient, the
Speaker 4: same way that he talked to her after they got
Speaker 4: out of bed. Yeah, there was no change in tone
Speaker 4: or like, there was no like care and affection, there
Speaker 4: was nothing.
Speaker 3: No, I didn't see any point to them hooking up.
Speaker 4: No, it was just like he was there first, so
Speaker 4: she decides to fuck him or what yeah, or he's
Speaker 4: not a prisoner, but he's got a fucking tattoo.
Speaker 2: Girl, so what are you doing?
Speaker 4: And she just lost like her other love interests, like
Speaker 4: not that long ago perceived, Like if you think about
Speaker 4: like the Criageina Sleep, it would have been yesterday that
Speaker 4: she was hanging out with this guy and they didn't
Speaker 4: hook up, but they had like a little something something
Speaker 4: going on. So it just I feel like it would
Speaker 4: have been interesting to see her grieving and him holding
Speaker 4: her and then them kind of getting together as he
Speaker 4: was like helping her grieve the loss of the life
Speaker 4: that she would have had with these other two people
Speaker 4: that she was escaping the horrible like other planet that
Speaker 4: she was on or whatever. But there was none of that,
Speaker 4: Like I don't know, like why can't they do romance
Speaker 4: in this franchise? Even in the last movie, it was
Speaker 4: just like I mean, if you didn't watch the extended cut.
Speaker 2: There was no romance. Yeah, So I don't know. It's weird.
Speaker 4: It's really weird, and it's very hollow, and it just
Speaker 4: feels it feels very masculine in the way that it
Speaker 4: was like romantically entangled, like very matter of fact, like
Speaker 4: I'm in your cot Ugh like I don't know, it
Speaker 4: just felt weird and I didn't like it. I think
Speaker 4: we have a romance formula already in movies. Romance is
Speaker 4: like really easy to establish and to like put into
Speaker 4: a film, and I don't think there was any effort
Speaker 4: put into this like romantic relationship at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because she's just like I've been out here a
Speaker 3: long time, but I mean have you because you were
Speaker 3: like you've been in the cryo sleep for most of it,
Speaker 3: like from your experience, you went to sleep at the
Speaker 3: end of the last movie and you woke up in
Speaker 3: this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's been three days.
Speaker 4: And then when he dies in front of her, no reaction, nothing,
Speaker 4: not even a tear, not even a like oh no.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like this very muted this whole time, like Ripley
Speaker 3: even like this whispers a lot, yeah, like I can
Speaker 3: barely hear you. How are you having conversations with you?
Speaker 3: And yeah, this that combined with again like the muted
Speaker 3: colors and the.
Speaker 4: And the the like costumes were all the same. Everybody
Speaker 4: was wearing like these dingy outfits. Even initially they were
Speaker 4: all wearing those like dusters for the nineties, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: oh God, is it going to be this kind of
Speaker 4: like Edge Lord kind of movie, and I wish it
Speaker 4: would have at least tried for that. But yeah, and
Speaker 4: like in the eighties we had military, in the seventies,
Speaker 4: we had like company people doing freight jobs. In the nineties,
Speaker 4: we have prisoners and they're not really prisoners anymore, right
Speaker 4: is that?
Speaker 2: I don't get it.
Speaker 4: I don't understand, like, are they prisoners or are they free?
Speaker 3: They are prisoners. It's such a weird setup because this
Speaker 3: used to be like a huge maximum security prison full
Speaker 3: of prisoners, and I guess the company was pulling out
Speaker 3: of there, but these twenty five prisoners decided to stay.
Speaker 2: You don't choose that as a prisoner.
Speaker 3: Requested to stay, I guess, and be custodians of the facility,
Speaker 3: which I don't know why the company wants to keep
Speaker 3: the facility like running, but.
Speaker 2: They can sell it for parts for a lot more profit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure what they do.
Speaker 2: At the end anyway.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So.
Speaker 4: It's confusing, and it makes no sense in terms of
Speaker 4: like a capitalist worldview. If it's not producing profit, there's
Speaker 4: no point of it continuing to function or service the
Speaker 4: entity that it's controlled by, which would be the company.
Speaker 4: She should have crashed landed on a like empty planet,
Speaker 4: and it might have been more like engaging if it
Speaker 4: was just her versus the alien and she had to
Speaker 4: figure out everything by herself instead of having all these
Speaker 4: men push back against her and almost rape her. And
Speaker 4: that rape scene like felt so forced, and I don't
Speaker 4: know it was scary, but it was just like that
Speaker 4: was probably the scariest thing that happened.
Speaker 2: In the movie.
Speaker 3: Obviously we're pretty negative on this movie. I'm trying to
Speaker 3: like cause I know, like a lot of people have
Speaker 3: kind of softened on this movie and are like they
Speaker 3: try to point out, like why it's not that bad.
Speaker 3: I've seen a lot of articles and like YouTube videos
Speaker 3: where people are I think, trying to like justify it
Speaker 3: and find a way to enjoy it. I'm just not there.
Speaker 3: But I was like googling, like what do people like
Speaker 3: about Alien three? And Google's AI pulls together like cinematography,
Speaker 3: the sets of a lot of physicality with textured backgrounds,
Speaker 3: damp surfaces, start beams.
Speaker 2: Of light, damp surfaces.
Speaker 3: And I agree with that, Like I think that the
Speaker 3: set looked good. It was just like a lot of
Speaker 3: the same looking set through the whole lot.
Speaker 2: Of pipes, a lot of pipes and tunnels and there's
Speaker 2: just one note and I don't know.
Speaker 3: Camera often lingers close to the floor, pointing up to
Speaker 3: emphasize the prisons confines and the difficulty of escape.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, they didn't have any trouble getting through anything, though,
Speaker 4: Like that's not established that, Like it seemed like they
Speaker 4: had a free roam of the prison.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think, like escape wasn't really the issue.
Speaker 3: And then when they were trying to run from the alien,
Speaker 3: I was never clear. I'm like where they were, what
Speaker 3: direction was what?
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, where was doors?
Speaker 3: I don't know, you're opening and closing like what?
Speaker 4: And then they were shouting out corridor names and stuff,
Speaker 4: and I'm like that's not relevant to me at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Some say the film as an exceptional ensemble cast,
Speaker 3: including character actors.
Speaker 4: I guess, so, like there was one guy recognized from
Speaker 4: like other movies, but I couldn't tell you what his
Speaker 4: name is, and I could not tell you what character
Speaker 4: he played in this movie. Yeah, and then like they
Speaker 4: all died in very similar ways, like with the exception
Speaker 4: of the guy that fell in the fan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they pretty much all got scooped up like scooped
Speaker 3: up or their head punched through with the little mouth.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know.
Speaker 4: It was just like there wasn't any variety or anything
Speaker 4: like that telled me like there was different deaths so
Speaker 4: I could tell you, Oh, yeah, the one who died
Speaker 4: in the green room. You know that guy he was
Speaker 4: I recognize him, like I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 3: Oh. Some say the idea of crashing in a maximum
Speaker 3: security prison is good. I mean maybe it could have been.
Speaker 4: It could have been if the I feel like it
Speaker 4: would have been cool if they had more prisoners. Yeah,
Speaker 4: like if they if it was like like a legitimate prison,
Speaker 4: if they would have taken the time to film in
Speaker 4: a real prison.
Speaker 3: Even people like that the alien is different since it's
Speaker 3: four legged.
Speaker 2: I didn't like that.
Speaker 3: People like the darker tone. I mean I wish it
Speaker 3: was more balanced. I don't mind it being a darker,
Speaker 3: more horror movie type thing. But yeah, some say the
Speaker 3: film has good music. I agree with that. I think
Speaker 3: the music was good, and I especially noticed it in
Speaker 3: the beginning. It is very very eerie. Like the beginning
Speaker 3: really intrigued me, like I was like, oh, this is different,
Speaker 3: and then like Sigourney Weaver shaves her head and was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: we're giving this a look and a feel and a vibe,
Speaker 3: and she's like g I.
Speaker 2: Jane doing her thing.
Speaker 4: She looked really masculine in this. I will like she's
Speaker 4: the most masculine in this and it's kind of a
Speaker 4: shame because she's the one woman in this in this
Speaker 4: like area.
Speaker 3: So yeah, like I wish they'd found a way to
Speaker 3: have another woman or more women like president in the
Speaker 3: movie somehow.
Speaker 2: Something that guy kept talking about his wife and children.
Speaker 3: And people really like Sigourney Weaver's performance, and she was
Speaker 3: really committed to the movie.
Speaker 4: And she was super committed because she was like co producer.
Speaker 4: I feel like she had more steak in the game
Speaker 4: in this movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And she was the one who wanted her character
Speaker 3: to die at the end of the sacrifice and she
Speaker 3: insisted on like, we're not going to have all like
Speaker 3: the guns and stuff that we had in the last movie.
Speaker 4: I missed the guns or weapons of some sort, any
Speaker 4: weapon instead of just like molten lead and water.
Speaker 3: Some say the film expands on and concludes the conflict
Speaker 3: with the company from Aliens in the best possible way.
Speaker 3: I don't think it does, Like, does this conclude the
Speaker 3: conflict in like a satisfying way between who between Like
Speaker 3: I guess the corporation.
Speaker 4: No, No, because the corporation still exists.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're going to be like, well, Dan, we
Speaker 3: lost this.
Speaker 4: One, but they still know where the origin the colony
Speaker 4: is still there from the original movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they know where it is.
Speaker 4: They could always send more people down there to try
Speaker 4: to pick up some eggs or something. So No, I
Speaker 4: don't think it defeats the company at all. We just
Speaker 4: lost like one of our star players.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. There is a fan base for this movie,
Speaker 3: and I'm just like, I'm not part of it. I
Speaker 3: don't like to be like completely negative, but I'm grasping
Speaker 3: it things to point out as highlights for the movie.
Speaker 2: I mean, I wasn't a fan of the second one either,
Speaker 2: but then everybody loved that one. Yep, so.
Speaker 3: Anything else. This guy had this like giant Panasonic video camera.
Speaker 3: I thought was funny for this being in the future.
Speaker 3: It's definitely like a piece of like eighties technology.
Speaker 4: I did like the point of view where they you
Speaker 4: saw the guy running but it was upside down because
Speaker 4: you were looking at the person running away from the
Speaker 4: perspective of the xenomorph and it was like in black
Speaker 4: and white and upside down, and I thought that was.
Speaker 2: Kind of creative and disorienting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was some good energy and that final sort
Speaker 3: of sequence, that action sequence of them chasing thro those hallways
Speaker 3: with those shots, and like really they tried to make
Speaker 3: it really dynamic in a kind of a non dynamic environment. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and so that was good. Again, it's undercut with those
Speaker 3: creature effects.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it would have been fun if Sigourney could have
Speaker 4: just grabbed it by the tail and dragged it out. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that would have been so fun if she was just
Speaker 4: like able to grab it and be like, you're coming
Speaker 4: with me after she figured out that it wouldn't eat her.
Speaker 3: I don't understand how she got impregnated with one of them,
Speaker 3: she says she was violated, so obviously don't know because
Speaker 3: we see like an egg in the spaceship, but I
Speaker 3: guess there was two of them.
Speaker 4: Well, we only saw one of those little face suckers
Speaker 4: and that was like an extended cut scene.
Speaker 3: So yeah, no one got the ox or the dog.
Speaker 3: Then she somehow got it too. I don't know if
Speaker 3: it makes sense, or maybe maybe someone who cared more
Speaker 3: understands it better.
Speaker 2: It's definitely a plot hole if you ask me.
Speaker 3: Well, should we slip on down to the astral queen section?
Speaker 1: Yeah, astral queen. Who was the standout character in the movie.
Speaker 3: Well, I think I'm gonna stick with my pick again
Speaker 3: for Ellen Ridley.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna give it to Leonard Dillon the cleric.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, he made the most sense.
Speaker 3: Would you like about him?
Speaker 2: I liked his speeches.
Speaker 4: I like that he called her sister, and you never
Speaker 4: know if it's like sister, like in a cool like
Speaker 4: black guy calling everybody's sister, or if it was like
Speaker 4: a churchy kind of like sister. So I liked that
Speaker 4: there was like a fun like play on words there.
Speaker 3: Or was she actually his sister?
Speaker 2: Maybe?
Speaker 4: I mean, we're all brothers and sisters in Christ.
Speaker 2: But I liked I don't know.
Speaker 4: I liked that he he spoke with the most like conviction,
Speaker 4: and he like he wanted her to live, and then
Speaker 4: she died anyway.
Speaker 2: And that sucked. Yeah, so I liked him.
Speaker 4: I think he was one of the strongest characters in
Speaker 4: the show or in the movie. I also liked that
Speaker 4: he was able to lead them. He was like able
Speaker 4: to put some order into their days, and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like he was more in charge than
Speaker 3: the warden. Yeah, those two guys.
Speaker 2: And then he rescued her from being raped too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, at some point, Yeah, I liked him. I just
Speaker 3: went with Ripley again because this was, I mean, movie
Speaker 3: about her and it's her sacrifice, and yeah, I just
Speaker 3: didn't have a very compelling reason to pick anyone else.
Speaker 2: Fair.
Speaker 3: All Right, that's the Astral Queen Awards. That wraps up
Speaker 3: the main part of the episode. We'll do a quick
Speaker 3: spoiler section here in a moment, so if you haven't
Speaker 3: seen the future installments that came out after this movie,
Speaker 3: then you'll want to skip this section until you've seen
Speaker 3: those movies. Next up, we'll be talking about the movie
Speaker 3: Alien Resurrection.
Speaker 2: From the two thousands.
Speaker 3: It's from I think ninety seven.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, two and one decade.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we'll just do the theatrical version of that,
Speaker 3: because well, there is a director's cut. It's barely any different. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So please join us for that, our living stereo stylus
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Speaker 2: I feel like I saw Alien Resurrection, but I can't recall.
Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned this being Sigourney Weaver's last appearance because
Speaker 3: she died, but Alien Resurrection resurrects her, so she's back
Speaker 3: for one more movie.
Speaker 2: She's probably back for more than one more movie.
Speaker 3: I don't remember much of the plot. It's got a
Speaker 3: cloning storyline to it, that's how she comes back, and
Speaker 3: it has one own a writer in it.
Speaker 4: Oh so at least two women are in the next movie. Yeah,
Speaker 4: maybe the next one takes place in a woman's prison
Speaker 4: or in a woman's psych word, since it's got one
Speaker 4: OA writer and she's One of her best movies was
Speaker 4: Her and a Psych Word Girl Interrupted. Yeah, that'd be
Speaker 4: really great, actually if it was like a crossover between
Speaker 4: Alien and Girl Interrupted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's really all I remember about Alien Resurrection.
Speaker 3: We'll have to see. I think it, despite being I
Speaker 3: think weirder in terms of like, I think it's drastically
Speaker 3: different from like the first Alien movie to Alien Resurrection,
Speaker 3: like the gap between that. I think, like it's pretty
Speaker 3: big in terms of style and story, but I think
Speaker 3: it's better received than this movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, there's that.
Speaker 3: And after that we go into the prequels movies. There's Prometheus,
Speaker 3: which you say you've seen and you had no idea
Speaker 3: it was an alien movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no hint of an alien in it that
Speaker 2: I can recall it because the story of Prometheus is
Speaker 2: that he's like one of the Greek gods that brings
Speaker 2: fire to man, and I thought that's what it was about.
Speaker 2: I thought it was this idea of.
Speaker 4: Like a higher being like bringing this discovery of like
Speaker 4: fire to humans and kind of like this connection between
Speaker 4: two worlds.
Speaker 2: But I don't remember much of it.
Speaker 4: It was back when I used to smoke way too
Speaker 4: much weed, way too much weed, So lots of things
Speaker 4: are buried in the past.
Speaker 3: Thanks for spacing out with us, and I forgot to
Speaker 3: write down like a little clever line to end on.
Speaker 3: So that's it.
Speaker 2: Goodbye.
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