Speaker 1: Oh that's are.
Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to the show. This is the Cult
Speaker 2: of Conspiracy and on the Cage of Night and Raven
Speaker 2: and today we are doing part two of our Antarctica
Speaker 2: expose and deep dive. We covered a good amount of
Speaker 2: topics on the first go round, but this time we're
Speaker 2: going to push all the way through and we're going
Speaker 2: to get through all of the articles and the videos
Speaker 2: and the topics that we have left to go into.
Speaker 2: We barely touched on some of the topics we touched
Speaker 2: about the Big Hole, about the Nazi bass, about the
Speaker 2: radio signal that's coming out today we are going to
Speaker 2: actually do the deep dive into it, and more importantly,
Speaker 2: and I'm actually very excited about this one. The only
Speaker 2: confirmed murder to ever take place on Antarctica is still
Speaker 2: unsolved to this day and done on a raytheon base.
Speaker 3: You're really excited about this, and particular you keep being.
Speaker 2: Like, look at this, I am, I am really excited
Speaker 2: about this.
Speaker 3: We're gonna end up having to get a part three too, though,
Speaker 3: because like we're not even touching on the miss at all.
Speaker 2: We are going to be bringing up some hollow earth
Speaker 2: today a little bit, a little bit and we'll see
Speaker 2: how deep dive we go into that one. But that's
Speaker 2: also one that in so many ways in regards, can
Speaker 2: get its own episode in totality.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because I really want to do one about
Speaker 3: Journey to the Center of the Earth. Yeah, and the
Speaker 3: books and the movies and all that vibe.
Speaker 2: So, without any further ado, good cult members, we are
Speaker 2: going to dive all the way in on Antarctica and
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Speaker 3: Five dollars is literally a Starby's wondering I'm here for it.
Speaker 2: Not even find me one thing on the menu at
Speaker 2: Starbucks for five dollars.
Speaker 3: A black tea vienti.
Speaker 2: You're welcome? Who or that? Never mind?
Speaker 3: You know what I do.
Speaker 2: That's fair, very fair, fine, fine, excuse me for all
Speaker 2: the vinty black teas? Which is correct me? If I'm wrong?
Speaker 2: Isn't that small?
Speaker 3: A venty is?
Speaker 2: I don't know? Vince is Italian for twenty.
Speaker 3: No, it's tall is a small, A grande is a medium,
Speaker 3: A venti is a large, A trenta which you can
Speaker 3: only get in certain drinks I eat mostly. Tease is
Speaker 3: the extra large version. You're welcome.
Speaker 2: That doesn't make sense, makes perfect sense. Vinti is twenty
Speaker 2: in Italian. Is the drink like a twenty outs drink? Whatever,
Speaker 2: I'm not, I'm not going to take this opportunity to
Speaker 2: start shipping the start.
Speaker 3: I was a starb worker for quite a while.
Speaker 2: You're from Oregon. I figured, like all of y'all have
Speaker 2: to do time there, like a part of your coming page.
Speaker 3: It's like a plant worker down here. Everybody works as
Speaker 3: a planet.
Speaker 2: Okay, hey, hey, I'm not offended by this. Pretty much
Speaker 2: in Louisiana, if you're trying to get your start, you
Speaker 2: work as a helper on some crew in some plant.
Speaker 2: That's how you break out.
Speaker 3: Not everybody works at a Starbucks, but.
Speaker 2: I got most women.
Speaker 3: I would assume I got a job at Starbucks. At
Speaker 3: the airport in the International Concord. By the way, people
Speaker 3: be fucking wilding out at four am the goddamn morning
Speaker 3: in the International Concord.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, an airport that's like basically a bar with flights.
Speaker 3: It's insane. All I'm not saying all, I'm saying the
Speaker 3: majority of the Asian flights that would come over, they
Speaker 3: love frappuccinos. And for those of you that have never
Speaker 3: really have never made a frappuccino, they take the longest
Speaker 3: out of the entire menu to make, and you only
Speaker 3: have like between two to three actual frappuccino machines. And
Speaker 3: when you have a hundred of those motherfucking orders, they
Speaker 3: take forever, and it's just absolute chaos for like a
Speaker 3: solid hour long when the flight gets off.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that there's only like two or three
Speaker 2: frat machines that make It depends on how.
Speaker 3: Big the store is or like how much they actually
Speaker 3: have a flow. They try to to coordinate with how
Speaker 3: much they have, but.
Speaker 2: In the airport is basically like a Kiosk location at best.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was really small. I think it's actually gotten
Speaker 3: quite bigger, but it was pretty small, and that would
Speaker 3: be the one thing that the Asian flights would get
Speaker 3: off and that's what they would order. It's funny, different
Speaker 3: parts of different flights from around the world would all
Speaker 3: order the same things. And it's like you'd be making
Speaker 3: a hundred cappuccinos when you'd be making a hundred lattes
Speaker 3: or a hundred freaking frappuccinos.
Speaker 2: And it's like, Okay, who knew Asians were so down
Speaker 2: with the frap? I figured that. Yeah, well yeah, but
Speaker 2: Boba SE's makes sense to me for the Asians. But FRAPs, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, but it's a cold drink. It's a cold shit,
Speaker 3: very flavored drink. I don't know, but I mean. I
Speaker 3: worked at another one outside of Colorado Springs, outside of
Speaker 3: the Army base, the busiest drive through ever.
Speaker 2: That's the way Americana start to finish.
Speaker 3: I'm joking so many No, we had people coming with
Speaker 3: the secret menu. For those of you that don't know,
Speaker 3: Starbucks still has a secret menu. Yes, you can access
Speaker 3: it and you can make them make you any drink
Speaker 3: off of that secret menu. Some of the drinks have
Speaker 3: like seventy five ingredients. I'm not even joking.
Speaker 2: Is it like the McDonald's secret menu, where like the
Speaker 2: mcgang bang is and things like that.
Speaker 3: They have so many different kinds of flavors and drinks.
Speaker 3: The only reason I knew about it is because we
Speaker 3: had this group of people that decided they wanted to
Speaker 3: try everything, and one of the drinks, no joke, had
Speaker 3: I probably at best fifty different ingredients.
Speaker 2: So pretty much you just went down the line of
Speaker 2: all the squirt bottles for flavorings.
Speaker 3: To just well you did like you did like squirt bottles,
Speaker 3: you did different the different drizzles, you did, the different
Speaker 3: types of coffee, because there's different ways to like mix
Speaker 3: the coffees in.
Speaker 2: It sounds horrible because some of those flavors do not
Speaker 2: meld well together.
Speaker 3: Personally, I thought it was the most discussing thing I've
Speaker 3: ever tried in my life.
Speaker 2: You tried it, Yeah, I made it.
Speaker 3: I was not going to spend twenty five minutes on
Speaker 3: a drink and not try it, Like you know, I
Speaker 3: asked them. I was like can I I was.
Speaker 2: Gonna say, like, yo, did you straight up like take
Speaker 2: a sip? No? They act like they didn't like watching them. Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 3: And they're like, what's that? What's that? What's this? I
Speaker 3: don't know why people, though, can't make a goddamn Starbucks
Speaker 3: drink down here in the South most of the time.
Speaker 2: I don't know why people can just drink black coffee
Speaker 2: like adults. It kills me because it's disgusting. You're not peasants,
Speaker 2: but you'll drink a black unsweetened tea.
Speaker 3: First off, I like it with one pump, a classic,
Speaker 3: thank you?
Speaker 2: What the hell is? Classic?
Speaker 3: Classic is literally like cane syrup.
Speaker 2: It's simple syrup. Then like it bars and.
Speaker 3: I mean it's like sugar. You can do one pump.
Speaker 3: I actually I really like it with raw sugar, but
Speaker 3: they always fuck it up, so I just have decided
Speaker 3: not to somehow manage to get a raw sugar. Somehow
Speaker 3: they mess it up.
Speaker 2: So I'll say this, it's not the South. It depends
Speaker 2: on the city. Like if you were to go to
Speaker 2: New Orleans, I bet you the Starbucks there they can
Speaker 2: get a poppin' I don't know that. For a fact,
Speaker 2: I don't typically order Starbey's because I drink normal black
Speaker 2: coffee with chickory. Because I'm just a normal old Louisiana
Speaker 2: boy at heart.
Speaker 3: You like mochas. Don't even fucking lie to these.
Speaker 2: If somebody's gonna buy one for me, then sure, But
Speaker 2: I am not going out of my way, like I'm
Speaker 2: not on my drive and I'm thinking like, ooh, let
Speaker 2: me swing into a Starby's for a moca, Like that's
Speaker 2: that's just not me. And I'm not shitting on those
Speaker 2: that get down with Starby's. It's just not my preferred ghosts.
Speaker 3: I will hunt one down like I will hunt a Starbucks.
Speaker 3: I s it, yeah, yeah, because every time I try
Speaker 3: to do drink other people's coffee, it's like, oh God, gross.
Speaker 2: It, tar, you need to be able to chew it.
Speaker 3: No. My favorite coffee, actually an organ is Country Coffee
Speaker 3: and it's these little coffee stands that was made by
Speaker 3: this woman that passed away two years ago from a
Speaker 3: quad accident. But thankfully her family is still going strong.
Speaker 3: But they use a Colombian coffee oh okay, and it
Speaker 3: is fantastic, is very very strong. But I haven't found
Speaker 3: anything down here equivalent to that so far. It's not Starbucks,
Speaker 3: because I do love me some Starby's. So I am
Speaker 3: the what.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I was waiting for you to make the joke of
Speaker 3: like a woman.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's not like a secret that white women are
Speaker 2: obsessed with Starbucks. That's that's no, no, no, not just
Speaker 2: white people. But when you think of a stereotypical Becky, right,
Speaker 2: she's dressed a certain way, you already can guess what
Speaker 2: I'm gonna list, but I'm not gonna go there, right,
Speaker 2: and you could probably guess what she drives. You could
Speaker 2: probably guess one of five perfumes that she's wearing. You
Speaker 2: can probably guess what kind of bag she's carrying, and
Speaker 2: I bet you can guess what kind of drink she's
Speaker 2: carrying in her hand. I'm not going there, good cult members,
Speaker 2: the internet has done that at nauseum. I'm just saying,
Speaker 2: stereotypes exist for a reason.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, so what I'm saying, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You know what I feel like when the COLT members
Speaker 3: see me, they're like, why is she wearing Halloween stuff?
Speaker 3: Because because it's life, y'all, it's life year round.
Speaker 2: Silly question. She's a goth queen.
Speaker 3: God, It's just I miss Halloween already.
Speaker 2: Although you are the reason why I now know what
Speaker 2: Summer Ween is. I didn't know that that was thing
Speaker 2: good cult members until this year.
Speaker 3: But it's so great that that Walmart has jumped onto
Speaker 3: this bandwagon and now sells Halloween Summer Weeen aka in
Speaker 3: June and July.
Speaker 2: I'm not mad at it. Inherently, I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm not also star a Spirit of Halloween is has
Speaker 3: created not a ton of stores, but has their own
Speaker 3: line of Christmas.
Speaker 2: Last year they did two locations Spirit of Christmas and
Speaker 2: it's basically if Nightmare Before Christmas went into a store.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of crumpest things, for sure. But they
Speaker 2: did a test run up it last year, and shocker,
Speaker 2: it was super successful at the two locations. So I
Speaker 2: won't be shocked whenever they start doing that more and
Speaker 2: more and we.
Speaker 3: Will crash out. The guy will actually just like my store. Yo,
Speaker 3: that Michaels did a goth all black theme this year.
Speaker 3: Michaels Michael's dead and it's beautiful. It just makes my
Speaker 3: whole heart melt with happiness.
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Speaker 2: am going to start on this article here. This is
Speaker 2: from the British Antarctic Survey. We talked briefly on the
Speaker 2: first episode about how Antarctica is melting from the inside out.
Speaker 2: It's very strange, it makes no logical sense. And we
Speaker 2: did talk about how there are two volcanoes on Antarcticle.
Speaker 2: One of them is still active from time it's not
Speaker 2: but the way that this is going on, it's not
Speaker 2: near the volcanoes. I have three different articles pulled up,
Speaker 2: one from twenty eighteen, one from twenty twenty three, and
Speaker 2: one from twenty twenty five, and I want you good
Speaker 2: cult members to notice how the narrative shifts in just
Speaker 2: the course of a few years. This is how science works.
Speaker 2: And I understand that you come up with a working theory,
Speaker 2: you put it out there, it gets period reviewed, and
Speaker 2: especially if it's something that can't be proven, it stays
Speaker 2: into the realm of a hypothetical and it stays there
Speaker 2: until it's proven otherwise. I understand that. But these massive
Speaker 2: jumps that are happening in a very very short, condensed
Speaker 2: amount of time, they really don't be knowing what's going
Speaker 2: on with it, honestly, and it's fascinating. So let's dive
Speaker 2: into it.
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 2: It's November fourteenth of twenty eighteen. God, that feels like
Speaker 2: a lifetime ago, doesn't it. Pre COVID God, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't even remember, Like, I don't even remember what
Speaker 3: I was doing then. I was in school, one of
Speaker 3: one of two schools, or yeah, probably.
Speaker 2: I think I was. I don't even I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think I was in Midwiffrey School. And I was
Speaker 3: also still working as a DULA and yeah, living life. Yeah,
Speaker 3: for those of you that don't know, I've been at
Speaker 3: DULA for like eight years, so I.
Speaker 2: Think I was going through a divorce. Cod be wrong.
Speaker 2: I don't know, honestly. To be completely transparent with you,
Speaker 2: from twenty sixteen and now just seems like a real
Speaker 2: weird blur. And I only give that distinction because from
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen to twenty actually, yeah, no, I was in college.
Speaker 2: I might have just finished one term and it was
Speaker 2: trying to go and finish up my third degree. Don't know,
Speaker 2: it's all a blur from twenty fourteen when I got
Speaker 2: the military to now. It just seems like one big whirlwind.
Speaker 2: You know. I'm still trying to catch my breath. But
Speaker 2: like every day just brings on new curve balls.
Speaker 3: But twenty twenty wild, Like I feel like it physically
Speaker 3: reset all of us in a weird way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. It definitely made a lot of
Speaker 2: people question narratives, which is very good, and that's when
Speaker 2: this podcast was founded. So yeah, twenty twenty was a
Speaker 2: good one for some of us and was horrible for others.
Speaker 2: You know, It's one of those subjective things. Anyway, let's
Speaker 2: get into it now. So scientists have discovered an area
Speaker 2: near the South Pole where the base of the Antarctic
Speaker 2: ice sheet is melting unexpectedly quickly. Using radar to look
Speaker 2: through three kilometers of ice, the team found that some
Speaker 2: of the ice covering an area that's twice the size
Speaker 2: of Greater London appeared to be missing. The results are
Speaker 2: published this week in the journal Scientific Reports. This new
Speaker 2: study explains how an unusual amount of geothermal heat has
Speaker 2: melted and continues to melt the base of the ice,
Speaker 2: results in the ice sheet layers above sagging downward. So
Speaker 2: that's my point. The top ice sheet layer is still solid,
Speaker 2: but underneath it is what's melting. Now you got this
Speaker 2: weird dip. It's like a you know, a bowl almost
Speaker 2: of ice.
Speaker 3: Is it not the salt, because I mean, from everything
Speaker 3: we read last episode, so much is like crazy amous
Speaker 3: salt three times five times the amount of how salty
Speaker 3: it is the ocean and these lakes in these river
Speaker 3: and these you know, quote unquote rivers or you know, tunnels,
Speaker 3: whatever the hell they are. Would it not be that? Maybe?
Speaker 2: Maybe, But at the same time, this wasn't or we're
Speaker 2: gonna read more into it, but I don't believe that
Speaker 2: this was a lake. This was just ice that for
Speaker 2: some reason is melting from the bottom up rather than
Speaker 2: from the top down. Okay, So I mean, let's get
Speaker 2: into it here. The team believes the heat source is
Speaker 2: a combination of unusually radioactive rocks and hot water coming
Speaker 2: up from deep under the ground. This heat melts the
Speaker 2: base of the ice sheets, producing melting water, which drains
Speaker 2: away beneath the ice sheets. Filling subglacial lakes downstream. The
Speaker 2: presence of this extra water may help lubricate the fast
Speaker 2: flowing ice in this area. So they're thinking unusual radioactive rocks,
Speaker 2: the Mars clearly, the Mars rocks that they keep finding clearly,
Speaker 2: and hot water. All right, let's get into it. So
Speaker 2: lead author doctor Tom Jordan of British Antarctic Survey BAS says, quote,
Speaker 2: the process of melting we observe has probably been going
Speaker 2: on for thousands or maybe even millions of years and
Speaker 2: isn't directly contributing to ice sheet change. However, in the
Speaker 2: future the extra water at the ice sheet bed may
Speaker 2: make this region more sensitive to external factors such as
Speaker 2: climate change. Of course goes climate change. That's a good
Speaker 2: blavor everything. The study collected data using BAS aircraft as
Speaker 2: part of the Polar Gap project. This international project, funded
Speaker 2: by the European Space Agency with researchers from Norway, Denmark
Speaker 2: and the UK, aim to fill the gap in satellite
Speaker 2: gravity data around the South Pole. Critical for this study,
Speaker 2: scientists also collected radar data revealing the thickness, structure and
Speaker 2: conditions at the base of the ice sheet. So here
Speaker 2: we have a little bit of an image of you know,
Speaker 2: a plane it's flying over the South Pole. We got
Speaker 2: ice layers going on here, and then we just got
Speaker 2: this spot right here where it's melting. And they believe
Speaker 2: that it's because of hot rocks and hot water right here,
Speaker 2: but they don't know.
Speaker 3: So it looks like it's melting pushing the water out
Speaker 3: on the right and left that's being converted back into
Speaker 3: water down below that's heating up from the from the
Speaker 3: hot rock that's melting it even more so, it's gonna
Speaker 3: it's a cycle.
Speaker 2: But again it looks like potentially in the realm of
Speaker 2: working theory. Yes, so let's see, let's keep going on
Speaker 2: this this image again. This is twenty eighteen. They've had
Speaker 2: a few other theories be proposed as to what is
Speaker 2: making this happen, but this is not the It's not
Speaker 2: a dumb theory by any means, except what is making
Speaker 2: this whole hot rock situation happen? I don't know, right,
Speaker 2: neither do they. Doctor Jordan continues, this was a really
Speaker 2: exciting project exploring one of the last totally unsurveyed regions
Speaker 2: on our planet. Our results were quite unexpected, as many
Speaker 2: people thought this region of Antarctica was made of ancient
Speaker 2: and cold rocks, which had little impact on the ice sheet. Above,
Speaker 2: we show that even in the ancient continental interior, the
Speaker 2: underlying geology can have a significant impact on the ice.
Speaker 2: Co author doctor Renee Forsberg from the Technical University of
Speaker 2: Denmark says this was a great example of how nations
Speaker 2: work together, or how nations working together rather can explore
Speaker 2: the most challenging regions on our planet. In particular, we
Speaker 2: thank the US Antarctic Program for their great hospitality at
Speaker 2: the South Pole Station and the British Antarctic Survey for
Speaker 2: their incredible logistical efficiency. It is also an example of
Speaker 2: how a project originally designed to augment satellite data for
Speaker 2: the European Space Agency could produce completely unexpected scientific results.
Speaker 2: So okay, fair enough, now this is issued. Oh this
Speaker 2: is the uh I'm sorry, there's just the sided of it.
Speaker 3: So just really quick, because I've had people keep asking
Speaker 3: me where to get information. If you go down in
Speaker 3: articles to the cited part, that is where you can
Speaker 3: actually find more peer reviewed articles that help you, and
Speaker 3: like it only has a couple, but here hear how
Speaker 3: it has the Nature dot com articles. That's how you
Speaker 3: can find your own research when digging into different topics
Speaker 3: and stuff like that is going to the end of all.
Speaker 3: Say you find a good article that you like, go
Speaker 3: to the end where the citations are. That's where you
Speaker 3: can find more and that's how you can continue building
Speaker 3: on whatever topic it is that you're looking for that
Speaker 3: has peer reviewed articles. That's how you can do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad that you actually brought that up because
Speaker 2: a lot of people especially that are looking for factual
Speaker 2: and I use factual loosely quote unquot because everything is
Speaker 2: in the realm of theory until it has proven cool. Cool.
Speaker 2: But when it comes to scientific exploration or archaeological digs
Speaker 2: or all these things, you hear these names doctor fuckwad
Speaker 2: from whatever university someplace you never heard of, some doctor
Speaker 2: you've never heard of. Do you even know if this
Speaker 2: is an expert in his field or is he a
Speaker 2: quack in his field? Like you never know. If you
Speaker 2: go down to the citations and you click on more
Speaker 2: things that they have been quoted in, or you can
Speaker 2: even find his peer review journal, then that will give
Speaker 2: you a much better insight to this and see who
Speaker 2: the peers were that reviewed it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so one of the things that says that it's
Speaker 3: from Journal of Scientific Reports. So you can actually go
Speaker 3: to these websites and you're able to go through a
Speaker 3: lot of them. Most of them you can access. Google
Speaker 3: did have Google scholars dot com where you just type
Speaker 3: in Google scholar. For some reason, mine's being blocked, but
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if everyone's is.
Speaker 2: Being blocked because you're a conspiracy theorist. Now they know it.
Speaker 3: I don't know. They started blocking me like a month ago,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, okay, assholes. See, but you can actually
Speaker 3: find scientific articles inside the different locations, and that way
Speaker 3: you can you can go in a crazy deep dive
Speaker 3: on one topic and find hundreds of articles that have
Speaker 3: been published over the last hundred years plus.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Typically when you do any kind of research, you do
Speaker 3: want to get within the last ten years quote unquote,
Speaker 3: because that's when it's more relative relative. But it's for me,
Speaker 3: I like to look all the way back because there
Speaker 3: is a lot of weird information when you get further
Speaker 3: back that they've kind of like changed back and forth.
Speaker 2: But it also depends on the journal. Some of these
Speaker 2: journal entries are like thirty five pages long, and you
Speaker 2: have to like really dig to find that.
Speaker 3: Currently, I will say I have read through so many
Speaker 3: one hundred page pluses. But when you go to these
Speaker 3: type of journals, what you want to do is is
Speaker 3: in the beginning, it will tell you exactly what they're
Speaker 3: going to talk about. They will break it down for you,
Speaker 3: and it might be two pages long.
Speaker 2: The two page long thesis is absolutely a thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, where they just tell you, they give you a
Speaker 3: snapshot of what they're going to talk about. Then they're
Speaker 3: going to give you a table of contents. You can
Speaker 3: actually just use what you have in the beginning and
Speaker 3: it will tell you a lot of factual data and
Speaker 3: you can kind of decipher, hey, maybe I do want
Speaker 3: to look through this. It does talk a lot about statistics,
Speaker 3: so you have to learn about kind of how to
Speaker 3: read statistics. But definitely use the beginning to see if
Speaker 3: you want to do that. And I keep having people
Speaker 3: ask me how to do any type of research, and
Speaker 3: that's really how you can start learning how to do
Speaker 3: your own research that's actually factual because going to TikTok
Speaker 3: and going to Instagram, it does give you ideas to
Speaker 3: put in to go look for. Not always though, no,
Speaker 3: but it gives you an idea of like, hey, I
Speaker 3: heard this weird things, so that's what I do. I
Speaker 3: hear stuff on social media's and while I also just
Speaker 3: read live science and different stuff, but I hear it
Speaker 3: and I'm like, you know what, I'm going to go
Speaker 3: look this up. So then I start digging. And that
Speaker 3: gives you a place to dig. So when you actually
Speaker 3: are having these you know, potential arguments with people or
Speaker 3: debates or wanting to talk and actually have real science
Speaker 3: behind you or facts, that's how you can start looking
Speaker 3: for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people that have never been to college.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that it is some sort of
Speaker 2: a haughty, looking down from my high horse type of way.
Speaker 2: I went to a tech school. Let's not get it
Speaker 2: twisted here. I wasn't like I went to a major
Speaker 2: university or anything. But for a lot of people that
Speaker 2: have never done that level of like a research paper
Speaker 2: and had to show their sites, they wouldn't know where
Speaker 2: to look or where to go to get more information.
Speaker 2: So this is good.
Speaker 3: Well, people actually don't. They don't teach it. They just
Speaker 3: tell you to go. So I'm actually one of my
Speaker 3: close friends is back in school and we were just
Speaker 3: having this conversation. She is insanely intelligent and already already
Speaker 3: holds several degrees, and we were talking about research and
Speaker 3: she's like, could you show me how to use the
Speaker 3: search engine? Because they don't really show you how, and
Speaker 3: they don't tell you or teach you how. I actually
Speaker 3: took a class from a lady that does communications with
Speaker 3: the Midwiffree School because she was so good at finding
Speaker 3: things I was asking her. It was like a put
Speaker 3: together class, as in there was four of us because
Speaker 3: I kept hounding her for how do I do this?
Speaker 3: I need to learn and that's the only reason, plus
Speaker 3: me being crazy about wanting to learn research, it's the
Speaker 3: only reason why I started to learn how to do this.
Speaker 3: But unfortunately they don't really want you. I feel like personally,
Speaker 3: they don't want you to know how to do this
Speaker 3: because once you start reading enough research papers, you will
Speaker 3: hear the bias. Just read out the gate in the abstract,
Speaker 3: Yeah you will. You can pick it up easy, and
Speaker 3: then you're like, oh, okay, so you're gonna sway whatever
Speaker 3: whatever statistics that you're finding, you're swinging it towards whatever
Speaker 3: way that you want it. You can clearly start to
Speaker 3: decipher what you're reading. But it takes a lot of time.
Speaker 3: I will say that I have read I can't even
Speaker 3: tell you thousands, honestly of articles.
Speaker 2: So abstract is where the money is at as far
Speaker 2: as like getting the feeling goes.
Speaker 3: Though.
Speaker 2: So one of my chemistry teachers, doctor Shadrack, shout out
Speaker 2: he had he got his doctor from defending his thesis.
Speaker 2: It was a ten page abstract of his thesis on
Speaker 2: copper oxidation. I read it. My god, the level of
Speaker 2: intellect on this gentleman blew me away. And at the
Speaker 2: same time, I didn't know there was that much to
Speaker 2: defend as far as copper oxidation goes. But boil boy,
Speaker 2: was I wrong.
Speaker 3: The PTSD claim is a really fascinating one. There's actually
Speaker 3: a heavy deb over certain categories of PTSD and how it,
Speaker 3: what type it is, and stuff. And the one abstract
Speaker 3: was no joke, twenty nine pages long.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 3: And I was like, all right, I'm I'm in it
Speaker 3: for the long haul. I'm going to read all of this,
Speaker 3: but that's where you find your bread and butnder to, hey,
Speaker 3: maybe I want to do this. And if you don't
Speaker 3: like the abstract or you find like one or two things,
Speaker 3: scroll all the way to the bottom, and they're going
Speaker 3: to list probably like anywhere between ten to one hundred citations.
Speaker 3: Read through that list and see you'll tell like, hey,
Speaker 3: maybe this might have something. Hey maybe it won't. Maybe
Speaker 3: it will like go through click with different ones, figure
Speaker 3: out what you want to read it about. But I
Speaker 3: know this is super off topic, but I really wanted
Speaker 3: people to be able to start to learn how to
Speaker 3: do their own research so that way they're not depending
Speaker 3: on other people and social media telling them what they
Speaker 3: want to learn.
Speaker 2: I think it's very on topic as a matter of fact.
Speaker 2: So for anybody who wants to do their own digging,
Speaker 2: now you know how. But if you don't because you
Speaker 2: don't have enough time for all that excess reading in things,
Speaker 2: that's why you come to the Cult Conspiracy podcast. Honestly,
Speaker 2: moving on, so the in twenty eighteen, they believe that
Speaker 2: it was hot rocks, radioactive rocks, and hot water that
Speaker 2: was kind of cycling that was just making it happen,
Speaker 2: and it was a working theory, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2: So now we are going to go to sciencenews dot com.
Speaker 2: Independent journalism since nineteen twenty one.
Speaker 3: I actually really like this this group.
Speaker 2: Okay, so a massive cavern neath a West Antarctic glacier
Speaker 2: is teeming with life, so let's get into it here.
Speaker 2: This is from twenty twenty three. The coastal plain of
Speaker 2: the calm Ice Stream in West Antarctic Glacier hardly seems
Speaker 2: like a coast at all. Stand in its place, eight
Speaker 2: hundred kilometers from the south pole, and you'll see nothing
Speaker 2: but flat ice extending in every direction. The ice is
Speaker 2: some seven hundred meters thick and stretches out for hundreds
Speaker 2: of kilometers off the coastline. Floating on the water on
Speaker 2: clear summer days, the ice reflects the sunlight with such
Speaker 2: ferocity that it inflicts sunburn on the insides of your nostrils.
Speaker 2: That's wind, yeah, snowblindness.
Speaker 3: Well I know that, but like inside your nostrils.
Speaker 2: Ooh man, very reflective. Man.
Speaker 3: That really made my nose hurt.
Speaker 2: I just felt that burn. I know.
Speaker 3: I was like, ooh, my nostrils. I'm not even there.
Speaker 2: It might seem hard to believe, but hidden beneath this
Speaker 2: ice is a muddy tidal marsh where a burbling that's
Speaker 2: a word they just used. A burbling river winds its
Speaker 2: way into the ocean. I feel like they're just making
Speaker 2: words up. I've never heard of burbling, and I've never
Speaker 2: heard of winds. I've heard of that babblings babbling book
Speaker 2: like they mean babbling, because that's how you are. Right,
Speaker 2: there's the burbling, burbling river winds.
Speaker 3: I've really thought they just made up some random ship.
Speaker 2: Until recently, no human had ever glimpsed that secret landscape.
Speaker 2: Scientists have merely inferred its existence from the faint reflections
Speaker 2: of radar and seismic waves, but enclosing the in the
Speaker 2: closing days of twenty twenty one, a team of scientists
Speaker 2: from New Zealand melted a narrow hole through the glacier's
Speaker 2: ice and lowered in a camera. They had hoped that
Speaker 2: the hole would insurtersect with the river, which they believed
Speaker 2: had melted a channel up into the ice, a vast
Speaker 2: water filled cavity nearly tall enough to hold the Empire
Speaker 2: State Building and half as long as Manhattan. On December
Speaker 2: twenty ninth, Craig Stevens finally got his first look inside.
Speaker 2: It is a moment that he will always remember well, Yeah,
Speaker 2: no doubt Stevens is a physical oceanographer with New Zealand's
Speaker 2: National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research. In Wellington's ninety
Speaker 2: Anxious Minutes that day in Antarctica, with his head buried
Speaker 2: Ostrich style under a thick down jacket to block the
Speaker 2: sunlight that would otherwise obscure his computer monitor, there he
Speaker 2: watched live video from the camera as it descended into
Speaker 2: the hole. Icy circular walls scrolled past, reminiscent of a
Speaker 2: cosmic wormhole. Suddenly, at a depth of five hundred and
Speaker 2: two meters, the walls widened out. Stephen shouted for a
Speaker 2: cogglige to halt the winch, Lowering the camera, he stared
Speaker 2: at the screen as the camera rotated idly on its cable.
Speaker 2: Its floodlights raked across the ceiling of the glacial ice.
Speaker 2: A startling sight scalloped into delicate crests and waves. It
Speaker 2: resembled the dreamy undulations that might take millennia to form
Speaker 2: in a limestone cavern. Okay, they're being very artistic with
Speaker 2: their words here, but I hope I'm getting it right here. Honestly,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of not sure if I'm pronouncing these words right.
Speaker 2: But it's cool. I got English as a second language.
Speaker 2: A mare is a first Obviously, the interior of a
Speaker 2: cathedral stays Stephens a cathedral not only in beauty but
Speaker 2: also in size. As the wind free started, the camera
Speaker 2: journey downward for another half hour through two hundred and
Speaker 2: forty two meters of sunless water, Bits of reflective silt
Speaker 2: stirred up by a current stream back down like snowflakes
Speaker 2: through the black void. Stevens and his colleague spent the
Speaker 2: next two weeks lowering instruments into the void. Their observations
Speaker 2: revealed that this coastal river had melted a massive steep
Speaker 2: walled cavern, cutting as far as three hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: meters up into the overlying ice. The caverns extends for
Speaker 2: at least ten kilometers and appears to be boring inland
Speaker 2: further upstream into the ice sheet, where each pass with
Speaker 2: each passing year. This cavity offers research a window into
Speaker 2: the network of subglacial rivers and lakes that extend hundreds
Speaker 2: of kilometers inland from this part of West Antarctica. It's
Speaker 2: an otherworldly environment that humans have barely explored, and is
Speaker 2: laden with evidences of Antarctica's warm, distant past when it
Speaker 2: was still inhabited by a few stunned trees. They say,
Speaker 2: a few. We read earlier that that was a rainforest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a few stun trees. It's like a legit rainforest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so maybe this one section wasn't all rainforest y.
Speaker 3: I don't know, fair because the model does show that
Speaker 3: there's different sections that it's more rainforest esque than other sections.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: With the new bedmap three, So.
Speaker 2: Which Antarctica is fucking huge for the record, it's so big,
Speaker 2: just throwing out like the state of Texas, just for
Speaker 2: an example. In that same state, you will have coastline beaches,
Speaker 2: you will have swamps, you will have baious, you'll have thick,
Speaker 2: thick forests, and you'll also have desert. So when we
Speaker 2: look at Antarctica, it also would stand to reason that
Speaker 2: it would have some areas that were very marsh like,
Speaker 2: some areas that were very rainforest like, some areas that
Speaker 2: were very mountainous like, because they do have that mountain range.
Speaker 2: So it's it's not like it's a small spot.
Speaker 3: No, I mean, just in organ which is way smaller,
Speaker 3: we have everything too. Yeah, So I mean we have
Speaker 3: like a quadron of it.
Speaker 2: So I feel like I don't have bious there maybe
Speaker 2: wash use.
Speaker 3: Key not by used no, but we have the dunes,
Speaker 3: we have the mountains. We have down below is more
Speaker 3: hot and sandy, you know, desert like yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: it just depends on which location you're at in one state.
Speaker 3: I mean lots of states are like that, so it
Speaker 3: wouldn't It would make sense if it wouldn't have a bunch.
Speaker 3: But I mean to only say that it had a
Speaker 3: few trees.
Speaker 2: I see, but that's correct. This is twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: They have had more significant findings since then too, so
Speaker 2: like I don't know. One of the biggest surprises came
Speaker 2: is the camera reached the bottom that day. Stephen gays
Speaker 2: and disbelief as dozens of orange blurs swam and darted
Speaker 2: on his monitor. Evidence at this place, roughly five hundred
Speaker 2: kilometers from the open sunlit ocean, is nonetheless bustling with
Speaker 2: marine animals. Seeing them was just complete shock. Saw Hugh Horgan?
Speaker 2: Wow to name who whole Horgan? Huw Yeah?
Speaker 3: Where's Royce when we need him?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, that is totally Jewish? Who Horgan? Actually he
Speaker 2: might be Norwegian. I might have just said it right accidentally,
Speaker 2: who knows. A glaciologist formerly at the Victoria University of
Speaker 2: Wellington who led the drilling expedition, Horgan, who recently moved
Speaker 2: to etch Zurich, wants to know how much water is
Speaker 2: flowing through the cavern and how its growth will impact
Speaker 2: the cam Ice stream over time. Cam is unlikely to
Speaker 2: fall apart anytime soon. This part of West Antarctica is
Speaker 2: not immediately threatened by climate change, but the cavern might
Speaker 2: still offer clues to how subglacial water could affect more
Speaker 2: vulnerable glaciers. So what's beneath the Antarctica's ice sheet? Scientists
Speaker 2: have long surmised that a veneer of liquid water sits
Speaker 2: beneath much of the ice sheet covering Antarctica. This water
Speaker 2: forms as the bottom of the ice slowly melts several
Speaker 2: penny thicknesses per year. Okay, well, rip to the penny.
Speaker 2: America doesn't make those anymore due to heat seeping from
Speaker 2: the Earth's interior. In two thousand and seven, Helen Amanda Fricker,
Speaker 2: Good God, these names, a glaciologist at the Scripts Institute
Speaker 2: of Oceanography in La Jolla, California. My favorite beach on
Speaker 2: Earth my dad is in La Joya. What La Joya?
Speaker 3: I know, but the way you said it was funny,
Speaker 3: I was like.
Speaker 2: In La Joya reportedly or reported evidence that this water
Speaker 2: pools into large lakes beneath the ice and can flood
Speaker 2: quickly from the one lake to another. That was from her.
Speaker 2: They actually give a citation for that one as well,
Speaker 2: so that's interesting. Fricker was looking at data from NASA's
Speaker 2: Ice Cloud and Land Elevation Satellite, or ice at WOW,
Speaker 2: which measures the height of the ice surface by reflecting
Speaker 2: a laser off of it. The surface at several spots
Speaker 2: in western Antarctica seemed to bob up and down, rising
Speaker 2: and falling by as much as nine meters over a
Speaker 2: couple of years. She interpreted these active spots as slow
Speaker 2: subglacial lakes as they filled and then spilled out their water,
Speaker 2: the overly ice rows overlying ice rose and fell rather.
Speaker 2: Fricker's team and several others eventually found over three hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty of these lakes scattered around Antarctica, including a
Speaker 2: couple dozen beneath cam and It's neighboring glacier, the Willin's
Speaker 2: ice Stream WOW. So these all on screen right now.
Speaker 2: These are all subglacial lakes that are just chilling out
Speaker 2: underneath the ice sheet.
Speaker 3: Wow. And we actually read like four hundred and something
Speaker 3: the other day on the first episode. So they've found
Speaker 3: even more in the last two years three years.
Speaker 2: I guess it's because they just haven't looked at Antarctica
Speaker 2: with this type of equipment up until this point.
Speaker 3: But I think it's really interesting though, how they're able
Speaker 3: to look at the look at the Antarctica's sheets and
Speaker 3: figure out different things just by reflection and using the
Speaker 3: satellite data.
Speaker 2: Absolutely agree the lakes provide great interest because they were
Speaker 2: expected to harbor life and might provide insights about what
Speaker 2: sorts of organisms could survive in other worlds deep within
Speaker 2: the ice covered moons of Jupiter and Saturn, for instance.
Speaker 2: The layers of sediment and Antarctica's lakes might also offer
Speaker 2: glimpses into continents, ancient climate, ecosystems, and ice cover. Teams
Speaker 2: funded by Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States
Speaker 2: attempted to drill into glacial lakes in twenty thirteen. The
Speaker 2: US led team's success Jesus, I can't speak. The US
Speaker 2: lead team succeeded melting through eight hundred meters of ice
Speaker 2: and tapping into a reservoir called subglacial Lake Willands. It
Speaker 2: was teeming with microbes one hundred and thirty thousand cells
Speaker 2: per milli liter of lake water. Wow, wows. And I
Speaker 2: understand that people are going to say, like, Okay, it's a microbe,
Speaker 2: what difference does it make. That's a lot for a
Speaker 2: microbe that has never seen light, never touched oxygen, and
Speaker 2: somehow for body estimations, here millions and millions of millions
Speaker 2: of years has been underneath ice and has never even
Speaker 2: seen sunlight. That's impressive that it's that packed with life.
Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting how they brought up Saturn
Speaker 3: and Jupiter, and we had the meteorates from Mars allegedly,
Speaker 3: so now they're talking about two other planets on top
Speaker 3: of that having life.
Speaker 2: Well maybe because one of their moons they're covered with ice.
Speaker 3: I know. But before they said there's no way that
Speaker 3: their life could be on any of these planets, And
Speaker 3: now everything is stemming from these lakes and all the
Speaker 3: microbes that they were finding, microorganisms that they're finding down there,
Speaker 3: So saying.
Speaker 2: I agree, maybe they're from there. It's possible.
Speaker 3: Millions and millions of years. I still stand by that theory.
Speaker 2: That these microbes are alien in nature.
Speaker 3: Yes, I do. I really do think so.
Speaker 2: I'm on the fifty to fifty side of it. Is
Speaker 2: it possible that they kind of got encapsulated where they
Speaker 2: were and that they have mutated in order to survive
Speaker 2: in that harsh environment, and that's just why and how
Speaker 2: they've operated the way they have. For sure, Is it
Speaker 2: possible that this whole planet is one glorified alien ant
Speaker 2: farm life on this planet is a part of the experiment.
Speaker 2: It's possible.
Speaker 3: Maybe. I'm still thinking that maybe because of all the
Speaker 3: meters that they've had there, that potentially some type of
Speaker 3: organisms have fallen from other planets at one point.
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: There's a theory out there to say that even water
Speaker 2: is not natural to Earth and that all of it
Speaker 2: came from meteors.
Speaker 3: I have heard of this, and that it just recycles
Speaker 3: through in which it does, and the water memory, yeah,
Speaker 3: and it holds memory, which we know, and I've been saying.
Speaker 3: It just makes more sense to me that they these
Speaker 3: potential spots that have been covered for you know, twelve
Speaker 3: million plus years, could be from other planets.
Speaker 2: Very well could be Horgan Hill helped map lake villands
Speaker 2: before drilling began, but by the time the lake was breached,
Speaker 2: he and others were becoming intrigued with another facet of
Speaker 2: the subglacial landscape. The rivers thought to carry water from
Speaker 2: one lake to another and eventually to the ocean. Finding
Speaker 2: these hidden rivers require complicated guesswork. Guesswork. Their flow paths
Speaker 2: are influenced not only by the subglacial topography, but also
Speaker 2: by differences in thickness of overlying ice. Water moves from
Speaker 2: places where the ice is thick and the pressure is
Speaker 2: high two places where it is thinner and the pressure
Speaker 2: is lower, which makes sense. That's all pump works, meaning
Speaker 2: that rivers can sometimes run uphill. Right again. This is
Speaker 2: the very basis from physics to how water moves and
Speaker 2: how the Romans were able to build the aqueducts to
Speaker 2: move water long distances as they were. By twenty fifteen,
Speaker 2: scientists had mapped the likely paths of several dozen subglacial rivers,
Speaker 2: but drilling into them seem far fetched. The rivers are
Speaker 2: now targets of the and their exact locations often uncertain.
Speaker 2: But around that time Horgan got a lucky break. While
Speaker 2: examining a satellite photo of camb Ice Stream, he noticed
Speaker 2: a wrinkle in the pixelated tapestry of the image. The
Speaker 2: wrinkle resembled a long, shallow trough in the surface of
Speaker 2: the ice, as if the ice had sagged from melting beneath.
Speaker 2: The trough sets of several kilometers from the hypothetical path
Speaker 2: of one subglacial river. Horgan believed that it marked the
Speaker 2: spot where the river had flowed over a coastal plain
Speaker 2: and spilled into the ice covered sea. In twenty sixteen,
Speaker 2: while visiting the area for an unrelated research project, Horgan
Speaker 2: and his companions detoured briefly to the surface trough to
Speaker 2: take their radar measurements. Sure enough, they found a void
Speaker 2: under the ice filled with liquid water. I found it
Speaker 2: weird that they would have to say liquid water, because
Speaker 2: otherwise it would have been ice. You could have just
Speaker 2: said filled with water. But okay, whatever. Horgan began making
Speaker 2: plans to study it more closely. He would return twice
Speaker 2: in the next few years, once to map the river
Speaker 2: in detail, and a second time to drill into it.
Speaker 2: What he found greatly exceeded his expectations, so this is
Speaker 2: talking about how he mapped a subglacial landscape. Horgan and
Speaker 2: graduate student Aaron Whiteford of the Victoria University of Wellington
Speaker 2: visited the lower Camp ice stream to map the river
Speaker 2: in December of twenty nineteen. After weeks on the anarch
Speaker 2: ice sheet, they'd grown a custom to its monotonous flat landscape,
Speaker 2: their perception sensitized to even tiny ups and downs. In
Speaker 2: this context, the surface trough looked like this massive chasm,
Speaker 2: Whiffert said, like an amphitheater, even though it slanted no
Speaker 2: more dramatically than a rolling cornfield in Iowa. But to them,
Speaker 2: especially if you're used to looking at the flatness of it,
Speaker 2: you'll notice this. In the it was a week of
Speaker 2: scientific drudgery telling the ice penetrating radar behind a snowmobile
Speaker 2: along a series of straight, parallel lines that criss crossed
Speaker 2: through the map the shape of the river channel under
Speaker 2: the ice. Horgan and Whitford, Whiteford, Witniford, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Worked up to twelve hours per day, occasionally trading positions.
Speaker 2: One person drove the snowmobile, straining his thumb on the
Speaker 2: throttle to maintain a consistent eight kilometer per hour two
Speaker 2: sleds hissed along behind one haliday transmitter that fired radar
Speaker 2: waves into the glacier below. The other hailed in antenna
Speaker 2: that received the signal reflecting back from the bottom of
Speaker 2: the ice. The second person rode on this led with
Speaker 2: the antenna, his eyes on a bouncing laptop screen, making
Speaker 2: sure that the radar was functioning even each evenly, each
Speaker 2: evening Jesus, they huddled in their tent, reviewing the radar traces.
Speaker 2: The river channel appeared far more dramatic than the gentle
Speaker 2: dip atop the ice suggested. Below their boots sat a
Speaker 2: vast waterfilled cavern with steep sides like a train tunnel,
Speaker 2: two hundred meters to a kilometer wide and cutting as
Speaker 2: much as fifty percent of the way up the glacier.
Speaker 2: They The more they looked, the more it resembled a
Speaker 2: river kind of meanders downstream, Whitford said Altahll. Whitford made
Speaker 2: two week long visits to the trough snowmobiling over from
Speaker 2: another camp fifty kilometers away. The first time he was
Speaker 2: accompanied by Horgan, and the second time by another graduate student,
Speaker 2: Martin Forbes. After returning home to New Zealand in January
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty, Whitford examined a series of old satellite images.
Speaker 2: They showed that the surface trough and hence the cavern,
Speaker 2: had begun forming at least thirty five years before. So
Speaker 2: it started forming thirty five years prior.
Speaker 3: It's pretty quick and.
Speaker 2: They just happened upon it in the way that they did,
Speaker 2: which is impressive. Starting with a blip at the very
Speaker 2: mouth of the river where it ran into the ocean.
Speaker 2: That blip had gradually lengthened, reaching progressively further inland and upstream.
Speaker 2: Whitford and Horgan reported the observations in late twenty two
Speaker 2: in the Journal of Geophysical Research Earth Surface, along with
Speaker 2: their theory about how the cavern formed. So I wanted
Speaker 2: to get down to where they talk about how it formed?
Speaker 2: So how did the cavern form? On December fourth, twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one, a pair of caterpillar tracked Pittston bullies arrived
Speaker 2: at the place where Horgan and Whitford had visited two
Speaker 2: years before. The tractors had traveled for sixteen days from
Speaker 2: New Zealand scott based on the edge of the continent,
Speaker 2: growling across one thousand kilometers of floating ice as they
Speaker 2: towed a convoy of sleds packed with ninety metric tons
Speaker 2: of food, fuel, and so scientific gear. The convoy lumbered
Speaker 2: around to the upstream end of the valley and stopped.
Speaker 2: Workers escorted a tent the size of a small aircraft hangar,
Speaker 2: and inside it assembled a series of water heaters, pumps,
Speaker 2: and a kilometer of hose a machine called a hot
Speaker 2: water drill. Using shovels and a small mechanized scooper, they
Speaker 2: dumped fifty four tons of snow into a tank and
Speaker 2: melted it. The workers then jetted that hot water through
Speaker 2: the hose, using it to melt a narrow hole no
Speaker 2: wider than a dinner plate, through five hundred meters of ice,
Speaker 2: and down through the domed ceiling of the cavern. So
Speaker 2: this is actually kind of a three D model of
Speaker 2: what it was that they were looking at here. It's
Speaker 2: pretty impressive. Workers next lowered an instrument down the borehole
Speaker 2: to measure the water temperature and salinity inside the cavern.
Speaker 2: They found that the top fifty meters of water cold,
Speaker 2: of water colder and fresher than what lay below, confirming
Speaker 2: that seawater was flowing in along the bottom and more
Speaker 2: buoyant mixture of saltwater and fresh water was flowing out
Speaker 2: along the top the cavern, says Stevens, is operating quite
Speaker 2: like an estuary. But those measurements also presented a mystery.
Speaker 2: The water on top of the cavern was only about
Speaker 2: one percent less salty than the sea water in its bottom,
Speaker 2: suggesting that the amount of fresh water flowing in through
Speaker 2: the river was quite small. It's akin to a shallow
Speaker 2: creek that a young kid might splash round in. He
Speaker 2: and Horgan doubted that the turbulence caused by this small flow,
Speaker 2: even over thirty five years, could melt the entire cavern
Speaker 2: roughly a cubic kilometer of ice. They go on later
Speaker 2: on to say that it's because of this movement might
Speaker 2: be bringing more of a gravelly mixture or salty mixture
Speaker 2: that might be eroding some of the ice away too.
Speaker 2: But all of that to say there the first theory
Speaker 2: that we read about was basically saying that there's hot
Speaker 2: rocks and radioactive rocks that are heating up water along
Speaker 2: the bottom, and this is what's flowing essentially and making
Speaker 2: more and more of these caverns happen. Now they're saying
Speaker 2: that these caverns are being made by essentially rivers that
Speaker 2: are flowing from one lake to another or one pond
Speaker 2: to another. However, they want to classify that, and they're
Speaker 2: saying that that might be what's making the caverns bigger
Speaker 2: in certain areas. But again, it's not exactly a guaranteed
Speaker 2: answer one way or another. They're finding these readings, sure,
Speaker 2: but nothing is confirmed. It's all belief and theory at
Speaker 2: this point. So now let's look at the National Snow
Speaker 2: and Ice Data Center. Okay, so the title of this
Speaker 2: is Surge and Antarctica's Melting as New Year arrives, and
Speaker 2: this is from January of this year, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: Widespread coastal melting occurred in Antarctica through the second and
Speaker 2: half of December and is continuing in it in the
Speaker 2: first few days of the new year. In several areas,
Speaker 2: nearly every region with routine surface snow melt has had
Speaker 2: more days of melt than it's typical for the first
Speaker 2: time of year or for this time of year. Other
Speaker 2: causes of the melting vary by region, but it's noteworthy
Speaker 2: that the temperature over Antarctic ice sheets have been generally
Speaker 2: above average by roughly two degrees celsius or about four
Speaker 2: degrees fahrenheit over the entire latter half of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: By contrast, cooler conditions prevail over the adjacent ocean in
Speaker 2: the Wettele and Ross Seas, which contributed to a slower
Speaker 2: springtime sea ice retreat. So now we're talking current conditions,
Speaker 2: and they do have a lot of graphs and maps
Speaker 2: showing a lot of this data. Once again, if you
Speaker 2: would like to see what we're talking about round then
Speaker 2: just hear about Patreon dot com slash could Conspiracy podcast.
Speaker 2: Surface melt extent over the Antarctic ice sheet rose sharply
Speaker 2: again in late December after a record melt event in
Speaker 2: mid December, culminating in an all time record melt extent
Speaker 2: in the passive microwave satellite record on December twenty fifth
Speaker 2: and twenty sixth, surpassing three percent of the ice sheet area.
Speaker 2: Surface melt remained high in the first few days of
Speaker 2: the new year, particularly in the Northern Peninsula in its
Speaker 2: second melt surge. Surface melting happened over several areas of
Speaker 2: the eastern Antarctic, including the Amory West and Shackleton ice shelves,
Speaker 2: the Totten Glacier and Porpoise Bay region, and hook are
Speaker 2: Sorry cook Inlet. Nearly all these areas have already accumulated
Speaker 2: above average melt days for the first time of year
Speaker 2: by five to ten days. So they're talking about just
Speaker 2: in generality. There's a lot of melt going on here,
Speaker 2: so conditions. So the causes for the widespread melt event
Speaker 2: in late December vary from region to region. In the peninsula,
Speaker 2: an arrangement of low pressure in the west and high
Speaker 2: pressure to the northeast drove persistent eastward winds across peninsula,
Speaker 2: leading to downslope warm and dry wind events over the
Speaker 2: northeastern Larsen ice shelf. Oh, I didn't mean to bump
Speaker 2: the camera. About that. Sorry about that. The iconic wind
Speaker 2: pattern of the low pressure was extensive enough to also
Speaker 2: drive winds from the east along to the southern end
Speaker 2: of the peninsula, bringing phone winds phone fall fun.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's foe e each inn, just in case anyone's wondering.
Speaker 2: Looks like a damn Celtic word. Full fall hon and
Speaker 2: melts on to the George. The Sixth and Wilkins ice
Speaker 2: shelves along the eastern Antarctic coast from Enderby land Land
Speaker 2: all the way to Cape Adare. The melting was accompanied
Speaker 2: by several strong low pressure systems that closely approached the coastline,
Speaker 2: again drawing strong downhill winds off the continental ice where
Speaker 2: prominent above average air pressure fed low pressure offshore areas.
Speaker 2: So anyway, long story short, they're saying that they don't
Speaker 2: understand why, but there's a lot of melt going on
Speaker 2: in this area. Some of it they're attributing to weather.
Speaker 2: Some of it they're attributing to hot rocks and radioactive rocks.
Speaker 2: Some of it they're attributing to moving water underneath the
Speaker 2: ice sheets. But either way you slice it, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of theories going on, and they all might have
Speaker 2: their kernel of truth, but this doesn't explain how forty
Speaker 2: to four hundred what was one hundred and forty caverns
Speaker 2: have formed?
Speaker 3: I mean it said there was three hundred and fifty.
Speaker 3: On the one article we read like four hundred something
Speaker 3: yesterday of lakes and different things like that. I will say.
Speaker 3: On the other article, it was talking about the sediment
Speaker 3: and it had the silt and sand mixture, and then
Speaker 3: they had sedimentologists that were coming in looking at it
Speaker 3: as well, which I could understand that if there's movement
Speaker 3: in the water and the silt is coming up and
Speaker 3: the salt water is gaining saltiness, yeah, I could see
Speaker 3: how that is, and it's pushing over into other caverns
Speaker 3: and it's creating this whole network of tunnels. Pretty much,
Speaker 3: I could understand that. But it's interesting how different theories
Speaker 3: are coming about in the last decade of what's happening.
Speaker 3: But also they've been learning a lot more in the
Speaker 3: last decade and being able to reach new locations.
Speaker 2: But then they're talking about how some of these rivers,
Speaker 2: how they're able to flow uphill, which is impressive. But
Speaker 2: this makes sense when you understand pressure DIFFERENTI and I
Speaker 2: get this, but they're not giving any clear answers as
Speaker 2: to what started the melt.
Speaker 3: It's interesting to me that it's only taken thirty five years,
Speaker 3: considering when we read some of the other articles it's
Speaker 3: taken a million years to do something. If that was
Speaker 3: like the shortest time frame, normally it's around like twelve
Speaker 3: mili so I'm surprised. But then that goes back to
Speaker 3: the whole conversation of climate change.
Speaker 2: But which which is why I don't believe that, because
Speaker 2: there's no way that we have done that much damage
Speaker 2: on Earth in thirty five years. They blame us for
Speaker 2: so much, and by us, I do mean the human race.
Speaker 2: They blame us for all of these things that take
Speaker 2: place over the last one hundred years, but somehow in
Speaker 2: the last thirty five it's gotten that much worse, when
Speaker 2: there's more EPA regulations from all of these countries now
Speaker 2: than ever before.
Speaker 3: I will say that first article we read on the
Speaker 3: other episode did show, or actually the clip, it did
Speaker 3: show the warming and the cooling periods, and it showed
Speaker 3: different graphs of how it warmed up and how it
Speaker 3: looked first when it got into the cold periods, and
Speaker 3: that we're currently on a warming cycle on the uptick,
Speaker 3: and so it is naturally warming in itself. I just
Speaker 3: didn't think that it was warming that quickly. But some
Speaker 3: of the articles have suggested that there is ice that
Speaker 3: is extremely vulnerable. So if it is already melting and
Speaker 3: already having issues, then I could see that be happening.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, it wouldn't make sense for
Speaker 2: the water to be melting from the bottom if the
Speaker 2: earth is getting warmer and we're able to feel it
Speaker 2: on the surface level. Wouldn't you see in this article
Speaker 2: does talk about a lot of surface level melting that
Speaker 2: is happening, and I get that. I respect that, But
Speaker 2: to the level that they're making it out to where
Speaker 2: these massive caverns are forming from warmer water or from
Speaker 2: radioactive rocks or whatever, that makes no sense as far
Speaker 2: as because of global warming or climate change. I was
Speaker 2: just say climate change because they've now changed the narrative
Speaker 2: on that.
Speaker 3: But I mean, the tectonic plates are shifting, they have
Speaker 3: been shifting, and we're kind of on that precipice of
Speaker 3: potentially having another shift, as in not fully Pangaea. But
Speaker 3: if we do have a shift where the tectonic plates
Speaker 3: release more of the core heat, yeah, than it could
Speaker 3: be potentially affecting in arcticat.
Speaker 2: That's a very good point. All right. So there you
Speaker 2: have it as far as this one is concerned. Okay,
Speaker 2: so now we've kind of covered the fact that the
Speaker 2: melting is inexplicable. They have a couple of working theories,
Speaker 2: nothing that they're really married to as far as this
Speaker 2: concept is concerned. Now we're gonna shift gears to another
Speaker 2: well understood conspiracy. When it comes to Antarctica, it's time
Speaker 2: to talk about Hitler's frozen based New Schwabenland. Perhaps you've
Speaker 2: heard of it, let's get into it together. By the way,
Speaker 2: new Schwabenland, yep, it all goes off of the ship
Speaker 2: that got them there. Believe it.
Speaker 3: To be honest with you, it just makes you think
Speaker 3: of a car.
Speaker 2: But how does that? What like a Volkswagen? Yeah, the
Speaker 2: New Schwabinland.
Speaker 3: You don't have my headphones on?
Speaker 2: You don't like?
Speaker 3: Why can't I hear myself?
Speaker 2: The new eight seedo Schwabenland is coming to America. Sounah,
Speaker 2: let's learn about it here. The fact and the fact
Speaker 2: that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence
Speaker 2: whatsoever that is not utterly absurd Bertrand Russell eighteen seventy
Speaker 2: two to nineteen seventy I don't know what that's supposed
Speaker 2: to mean, but let's get into it here. Another direct quote.
Speaker 2: A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence. Let's
Speaker 2: talk about that evidence. In the late nineteen thirties, the
Speaker 2: Nazis showed an interest in Antarctica and sent an expedition
Speaker 2: to survey a part of it and claim it for Germany.
Speaker 2: The claim was not continued, but it sowed the seeds
Speaker 2: for a whole range of fantasies about secret things that
Speaker 2: might be going on. So when you say that there's
Speaker 2: some pretty inexplicable things that took place after the fact,
Speaker 2: we're gonna get into them right now. I'm just saying
Speaker 2: to say that, oh, well, just gonna went there. But
Speaker 2: it wasn't for anything crazy. There's quite some compelling evidence
Speaker 2: to say that Hitler made his way to Antarctica for
Speaker 2: a few reasons.
Speaker 3: I love the language.
Speaker 2: What the misleading and all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the misleading, the making you question your own thought process,
Speaker 3: thinking like hmmm, am I actually just believing some random bullshit?
Speaker 3: Or should I just keep not looking into this or not.
Speaker 3: It's very intelligent. It's yeah, to be able to mislead people.
Speaker 3: And we have key trigger words that we've heard all
Speaker 3: of our lives to be like, oh, yeah, like conspiracy.
Speaker 3: How we kneed your reaction, You're just like, oh, they're crazy.
Speaker 3: You immediately get an image of some crazy person dweller
Speaker 3: in the basement wearing some tinfoil hat, and that is
Speaker 3: unanimously across the board. Right, So to have that kind
Speaker 3: of language just start out, it's like.
Speaker 2: Okay, but I mean that's the thing though, there is
Speaker 2: there are some that take this information and take a
Speaker 2: few excerpts from it and while their whole cork board
Speaker 2: of conspiracy theory based off of a few kernel of
Speaker 2: truth things. But when you throw more and more of
Speaker 2: these kernels of truth, not hypotheticals, not opinion based things,
Speaker 2: actual facts, ravenly you tell me what you think about
Speaker 2: it when we get towards the.
Speaker 3: End of this, because I'm going to hold off on
Speaker 3: my process until we get through all of this.
Speaker 2: All right, So now let's get into it. So this
Speaker 2: is from Coolantarctica dot com. What really Happened New Schwabenland
Speaker 2: a little known German expedition to Antarctica from the seventeenth
Speaker 2: of December nineteen thirty eight to the twelfth of April
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty nine, so we're talking about give or take
Speaker 2: four months on the ship MS Schwabenland had the purpose
Speaker 2: of claiming an entire area known as Droning maud Land,
Speaker 2: mainly to protect the German whaling industry, because you know
Speaker 2: how badly those Germans needed their whale blubber.
Speaker 3: That's really needed, I guess holocausts.
Speaker 2: Because there's so much that was right totally, and I
Speaker 2: understand that like Hitler was trying to feed his entire
Speaker 2: country with socialism, right, which is what the s and Nazi,
Speaker 2: the Z and Nazi stands for the National German Workman's
Speaker 2: Socialist Party. Okay, fine, here's the deal. It's really difficult
Speaker 2: to feed people socialistically without food. That being said, it's
Speaker 2: not like whale blobber's uh, you know, staple in the
Speaker 2: German diet. And whenever there's a video we're going to
Speaker 2: play here in a bit to talk more about this,
Speaker 2: even out loud hearing the quote unquote official narrative as
Speaker 2: to why Germany went to Antarctica or to protect their
Speaker 2: whaling interests, I don't actually think, and I don't know
Speaker 2: this for a fact, I don't think the Antarctica has
Speaker 2: ever had a thriving whaling industry.
Speaker 3: Actually, they're using the blubber to burn the burn the pits.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they said that they were using those the whale
Speaker 2: oil to oil their lamps because you know, kerosene was
Speaker 2: not a thing, I guess, or it was all to
Speaker 2: the war effort, and then they were also going to
Speaker 2: try to make margarine out of the whale blubber. I've
Speaker 2: never in my life one time heard of whale blubber
Speaker 2: being used for margarine in place of butter.
Speaker 3: I mean, like if they were actually like burning you know,
Speaker 3: massive amounts of Jews, I guess, but you know they
Speaker 3: got they were using them for all sorts of other experiments.
Speaker 2: But there was gas that was being used the gas chambers,
Speaker 2: but not for the not for the gassing, I mean
Speaker 2: the actual burning. They had natural gas that was ran
Speaker 2: into the ovens. So like it's anyway, let's that's why
Speaker 2: I was joking. Yeah, totally, because you know, the people
Speaker 2: in Poland smelling the whale blobber burning would be like, huh,
Speaker 2: I guess that German plant over there is doing some
Speaker 2: real whaling work in Poland.
Speaker 3: The random screams, I wonder what that's from.
Speaker 2: Yeah, must be the trees. Yeah, the neighboring cities to these, uh,
Speaker 2: these places where the Holocaust took place, all of them
Speaker 2: were just like we never noticed. It's like, bro, the
Speaker 2: smell of burning flesh is not something that you ever
Speaker 2: will mistake. And you're telling me you smelled it for years,
Speaker 2: day and night and night. Yeah, they were just trying
Speaker 2: to play dumb because they didn't want to get roped
Speaker 2: into some fucking guilt on some court. Shit.
Speaker 3: They should feel guilty, they really should, absolutely should feel
Speaker 3: guilty for the amount of people that died. But we're
Speaker 3: side stepping, yeah we are.
Speaker 2: Anyway. So this area had been previously explored by Norway
Speaker 2: and was formally claimed by the Norwegians in January of
Speaker 2: twenty or nineteen thirty nine, Jesus, after the Germans had
Speaker 2: set sail but been but before they arrived in Antarctica. Okay,
Speaker 2: so apparently the Norwegians got there just a little bit
Speaker 2: before them, right, my people. But then they also were like, no,
Speaker 2: we're just gonna take it anyway because we're Nazis and
Speaker 2: that's just kind of what we do. The Schwabenland was
Speaker 2: equipped with a steam catapult and two dorn your Wall
Speaker 2: flying boats okay, which were used to photographically survey six
Speaker 2: hundred thousand square kilometers. About a dozen aluminum flags were
Speaker 2: dropped from the aircraft after turning points of flight, Polygons
Speaker 2: and others were left by foot expeditions. None of these
Speaker 2: have ever been recovered interesting. The last surveyed was claimed
Speaker 2: by Germany in August of nineteen thirty nine as New Schwabenland,
Speaker 2: named from the ship. The outbreak of the war prevented
Speaker 2: two further planned expeditions, expeditions and the possible building of
Speaker 2: a base, though most probably to the other side of
Speaker 2: Antarctica in the Pacific sector, away from the Norwegian claim.
Speaker 2: The claim was abandoned in nineteen forty five. This part's
Speaker 2: in bold. There is no evidence of any further German
Speaker 2: activity in Antarctica during World War two? Oh is there not?
Speaker 2: So let's talk about these two very interesting U boats.
Speaker 2: On the morning of the tenth of July nineteen forty five,
Speaker 2: the German U boat U five point thirty arrived in
Speaker 2: argentinan naval base at Mar del Plata near Buenos Aires,
Speaker 2: two months after the German surrender in the end of
Speaker 2: the war in Europe. On the eighth of May in
Speaker 2: nineteen forty five, rumors spread that it had brought Hitler,
Speaker 2: Eva Braun, Martin Borman and others and had landed them
Speaker 2: on the coast of Patagonia or Antarctica before reaching Mar
Speaker 2: del Plaza a week later. A Hungarian exile in Argentina,
Speaker 2: Ladislas Sabo Sebo wrote a detailed account in local newspaper
Speaker 2: of how Hitler and his entourage had supposedly escaped Germany.
Speaker 2: The story quickly spread worldwide, and versions of it appeared
Speaker 2: in other newspapers in many countries. On the seventeenth of August,
Speaker 2: another U boat U nine seven seven also arrived at
Speaker 2: martl Plata, further fuelling speculation. The commanders of these U
Speaker 2: boats and their crews were arrested and interrogated by naval
Speaker 2: personnel in Argentina, the US, and the UK. They all
Speaker 2: concluded that their arrivals were in cook In co inc innocuous.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, wow. They all concluded that their arrival were innocuous,
Speaker 2: and the crews were released. Jermany just surrendered. Everybody's getting
Speaker 2: brought in for war crimes, and they're like, oh, these
Speaker 2: two lost U boats that nobody's seen him forever. Oh,
Speaker 2: it's just whatever, They're fine, let them go. Two years later,
Speaker 2: in nineteen forty seven, Sabo published a book Hitler Is Alive,
Speaker 2: where he claimed these two U boats had been had
Speaker 2: taken fleeing senior Nazis to Antarctica as part of a
Speaker 2: submarine convoy. The commander of U nine seven to seven,
Speaker 2: in particular Heinz Schaeffer, denied this, but the rumor still spread.
Speaker 2: In another version of the story, it is Hitler's ashes
Speaker 2: that were taken to Antarctica and placed in a special
Speaker 2: ice cave along with Nazi treasure. Interesting because allegedly Hitler's
Speaker 2: body was found by the Russians, even though years later
Speaker 2: they did DNA test results on that skull and it
Speaker 2: belongs to a woman and it wasn't Eva Braun either,
Speaker 2: they thought that that might be the case. It's not so.
Speaker 2: The entire story about Hitler's body is a lie. Sabo
Speaker 2: claimed that the Nazi Antarctic base called New Burke and
Speaker 2: Burg checks tests gayden Yep have been built in nineteen
Speaker 2: thirty eight to nineteen thirty nine. This idea has taken
Speaker 2: up by several authors over the years, often building on
Speaker 2: earlier embellishments, with tails becoming even more fantastical as the
Speaker 2: time they went on. The submarine convoy and the new
Speaker 2: Birkinstarscott in Sure base both first appear when described by Sabo.
Speaker 2: There's no reference to either before this publication. Subsequent publications
Speaker 2: refer to what he initially described, and there has never
Speaker 2: been any evidence of either.
Speaker 3: I one hundred percent that believe that Hitler went to
Speaker 3: South America.
Speaker 2: Oh, I absolutely do too. Now I'm not gonna say
Speaker 2: whether he went to Antarctica first, that's that's a take,
Speaker 2: that's a hot take. I think it would have been
Speaker 2: very difficult to refuel a U boat after your entire
Speaker 2: war logistical scheme just collapsed, and you made it from
Speaker 2: Germany to Antarctica, and even if you had a fuel
Speaker 2: station in Antarctica, getting a U boat, I don't, off
Speaker 2: the top of my head know what the fuel capacity
Speaker 2: was of these ships at this time, But getting one
Speaker 2: of these things from Germany to Antarctica in one go
Speaker 2: sounds pretty difficult. Getting one from Antarctica to Argentina might
Speaker 2: be a little more feasible, but we're talking about you
Speaker 2: essentially crossing the entire Atlantic Sea.
Speaker 3: I don't think that he stopped in Antarctica. I think
Speaker 3: that I think that he went to South America, and
Speaker 3: that's where he was indeed until he died.
Speaker 2: Right. So now let's get into another secret thing that
Speaker 2: most people don't know about, the secret British wartime operations.
Speaker 2: While the Germans were not active in Antarctica during the war,
Speaker 2: the British were. Great Britain had claimed the sector in
Speaker 2: Antarctica between twenty degrees west and eighty degrees west and
Speaker 2: to the south Pole in nineteen oh eight. Argentina claimed
Speaker 2: pretty much the same secture from the mid nineteen twenties,
Speaker 2: and so did Chile in nineteen forty. Argentina and Chile
Speaker 2: were both friendly with Germany, obviously, And if you don't
Speaker 2: believe that, by the way, go ahead and look at
Speaker 2: the fifty Nazi qualities that are currently operating in Argentina
Speaker 2: and Chile and a couple other places as we speak
Speaker 2: in Venezuela. Might add around South America there is fifty
Speaker 2: Bohemian colonies that all still fly Nazi flags. You do
Speaker 2: with that information what you want, But anyway you looked
Speaker 2: at them up, what was it? Oh?
Speaker 3: I did look up how the U boat capacity fuel capacity?
Speaker 3: It's sixty seven tons, okay, but like I don't know,
Speaker 3: allow for a range of six two hundred nautical miles
Speaker 3: at the speed of ten knots wind surfaced.
Speaker 2: And I just again I don't know. Right off the
Speaker 2: top of my head.
Speaker 3: But it says critical for long range operations during World
Speaker 3: War Two.
Speaker 2: But six thousand nautical miles. I don't know this for
Speaker 2: a fact, but I feel right, just I feel that
Speaker 2: Argentina might be longer than six thousand nautical miles away
Speaker 2: from Antarctica. And I also know for a fact that
Speaker 2: Germany is further away than to Antarctica than six thousand
Speaker 2: aautical miles.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to find it right now, honestly.
Speaker 2: Just you know, and we're going off with best case scenario,
Speaker 2: as the crow flies or I guess, as the U
Speaker 2: boat sails, submerges, whatever the case, I just.
Speaker 3: Have hard I didn't find a whole article about how
Speaker 3: the U boats surfaced up in Argentina.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I guess not even a hypothetical. These two
Speaker 2: U boats absolutely ended up or in Argentina. So was
Speaker 2: Hitler on board? Was he not? Who knows?
Speaker 3: Apparently U five three zero was supposedly dispatched to launch
Speaker 3: a nerve gas attack on New York City in retaliation
Speaker 3: for Desden bombing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and these both of these U boats when they
Speaker 2: got to Argentina and they were all, you know, interrogated,
Speaker 2: they could not account for where they had been. So
Speaker 2: is it possible they were floating off the coast of
Speaker 2: New York and waiting for the call? Maybe did they
Speaker 2: come from an Narctica? Also? Maybe I don't know, but anyway,
Speaker 2: here so uh Argenta an Chile. Under the guise of
Speaker 2: obtaining information about German shipping, raiders and U boats in
Speaker 2: the region. A number of permanently manned bases were established
Speaker 2: to this end, each with a handful of personnel under
Speaker 2: Operation Taburin. As much scientific data was collected during this
Speaker 2: time and after the war were continued as the Falkland
Speaker 2: Island Dependency Survey, which later became the British Antarctic Survey.
Speaker 2: So fair enough, and we're gonna get more into this
Speaker 2: next one here in just a minute. So I don't
Speaker 2: want to jump too far into Operation High Jump just
Speaker 2: yet anyway, So yeah, yeah, we're gonna get to the
Speaker 2: We're gonna get to a video in just a second
Speaker 2: about this now. Now, here's where there are some contortions
Speaker 2: of the truth and inverted narratives. As we have seen above.
Speaker 2: The evidence free stories about a Nazi base and Antarctica
Speaker 2: began within a week of a submarine turning up somewhere
Speaker 2: unexpected shortly after the Nazi surrender in nineteen forty five.
Speaker 2: The items I outlined above are factual, though they have
Speaker 2: been used repeatedly as a scaffold to support all manner
Speaker 2: of fantasies that may or may not fit together. There
Speaker 2: are a number of narratives from several authors which follow
Speaker 2: similar patterns with some variations. The basic story is that
Speaker 2: German a German basin antarticle was established just before the
Speaker 2: war by Schwabenland. This was an expanded This was expanded
Speaker 2: during the war, being regularly supplied by submarine deliveries. It
Speaker 2: was used to develop sophisticated secret weapons. This base was
Speaker 2: spied on by the British, who attempted unsuccessfully to destroy
Speaker 2: it in sas raid in nineteen forty five. Operation High
Speaker 2: Jump was sent to attack the base, though they were
Speaker 2: repulsed by secret weapons aka flying saucers are often mentioned. Then.
Speaker 2: Eventually the base was destroyed by nuclear bombs in nineteen
Speaker 2: fifty eight, which we're going to talk about the nuclear
Speaker 2: bombs here in a moment. By the time of its
Speaker 2: eventual destruction, the base is often described as being populated
Speaker 2: by one hundreds or even thousand of people and defended
Speaker 2: by a range of sophisticated weaponry, including flying saucers. Of course,
Speaker 2: all these stories claim that there has been suppression of
Speaker 2: facts and evidence by the British, Americans and anyone else
Speaker 2: who you care to name. The lack of evidence is
Speaker 2: therefore presented implicitly as evidence. While lack of evidence makes
Speaker 2: something much less likely, the absence of evidence is not
Speaker 2: the same as evidence of absence. That's a famous quote.
Speaker 2: What follows is a short account of why claims of
Speaker 2: the secret Nazi base are not only baseless but ridiculous.
Speaker 2: You know, this guy's obviously leaning in one way of this.
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, You feel some type of way
Speaker 2: he does. He really does. But the secret Antarctic base,
Speaker 2: there's some different authors that claim different building times and
Speaker 2: locations of the supposed Nazi bas Sometimes it's described as
Speaker 2: being in a warm, ice free oasis with lakes. Sometimes
Speaker 2: pictures of other areas are misrepresented or just plain faked.
Speaker 2: While there are ice free, relatively ice free areas in
Speaker 2: Antarctica are they are not warm. The lack of ice
Speaker 2: is due to prevailing winds and snow deposition not melting.
Speaker 2: He talks about time and logistics he talks about. There
Speaker 2: have been well over one thousand scientists who have visited
Speaker 2: the area of New Schwabenland. Several scientific bases have been
Speaker 2: established there since nineteen fifties. The whole area has been
Speaker 2: mapped by satellite, and considerable air traffic has crisis has
Speaker 2: crisscrossed the area. None of this has led to the
Speaker 2: reporting of even the slightest evidence of a wartime Nazi base.
Speaker 2: As it was supposedly built in an ice free oasis,
Speaker 2: it would not have been buried by snow Okay, So
Speaker 2: basically this guy is saying there's no chance that this
Speaker 2: was a Nazi secret base. However, did these U boats
Speaker 2: visit Antarctica before turning up in Argentina two months after
Speaker 2: the end of the war in Europe. Interrogator reports of
Speaker 2: the crews of these two submarines show that U five
Speaker 2: point thirty was off of New York when the news
Speaker 2: reached of a German capitulation on the eighth of May
Speaker 2: nineteen forty five, while YOU nine to seventy seven was
Speaker 2: off the coast of Warway. U nine seven seven put
Speaker 2: sixteen men ashore who chose to go near Bergen, and
Speaker 2: then the rest of the crew, now reduced from the
Speaker 2: normal number, made their way to German friendly Argentina. Both
Speaker 2: boats had to travel quite slowly to conserve fuel. They
Speaker 2: traveled on the surface at night and below the surface
Speaker 2: during the day to avoid capture. This slowed them down further.
Speaker 2: The time taken for them to reach Argentina is exactly
Speaker 2: within the traveling time and speeds they could make during
Speaker 2: their separate journeys. Embellished claims were made that the U
Speaker 2: five point thirty had turned up in Argentina was in
Speaker 2: fact a much faster and larger boat than the quote
Speaker 2: unquote real U five point thirty as usual, without any evidence,
Speaker 2: even to the point where the supposed performance was significantly
Speaker 2: beyond any U boat in service June and July, when
Speaker 2: the submarines were claimed to be in Argentina or in Antarctica,
Speaker 2: they are in the depths of winter there. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: That also blows my mind. Whenever you find out that
Speaker 2: like our seasons or flip floped depending on where on
Speaker 2: Earth you are, never made sense to me.
Speaker 3: I don't really understand it either, like you.
Speaker 2: The narrative that we have always been told as far
Speaker 2: as the north of the equator goes, is that when
Speaker 2: the Sun Because we're in an elliptical rotation around the
Speaker 2: Sun and there is times within our orbit where the
Speaker 2: Sun is closer to the Earth, we would call that
Speaker 2: time summer, and then when the Earth is further away
Speaker 2: from the Sun, we would call that winter. Yo, How
Speaker 2: to fuck is the south of our planet doing the
Speaker 2: opposite when the entire planet is closer to the Sun.
Speaker 2: This has never made sense to me.
Speaker 3: I don't actually know, to be honest with you, Guess what,
Speaker 3: when we view the Universe episode, we are going to
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm gonna write that down. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna write that down, y'all so we can actually answer
Speaker 3: this question.
Speaker 2: The flat earthers do have an answer for that one,
Speaker 2: but it also makes no sense to me. It's and
Speaker 2: for the record, the globe tarred answer doesn't make sense
Speaker 2: to me either. I'm not just taking this opportunity to
Speaker 2: shit on flat earthers, but both of them make absolutely
Speaker 2: no logical sense to me whatsoever.
Speaker 3: You know what, We're going to go both. We're going
Speaker 3: to go over all theories and see if we can
Speaker 3: somehow figure this out. Yeah, we might need to reach
Speaker 3: out to some smarter people on us to be honest
Speaker 3: with you, that's fine.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, So any went winter storms, twenty four hour darkness,
Speaker 2: and a formidable skirt of seasonal sea ice one to
Speaker 2: two meters thick before the continent is even reached to
Speaker 2: prevent any ships operating in the winter even today, let
Speaker 2: alone small nineteen forties submarines without any ice strengthening. Satellite
Speaker 2: data shows that this ice, the sea ice in the
Speaker 2: droning maud Land region extends from the coast by about
Speaker 2: five hundred kilometers in May and June and sixteen over
Speaker 2: sixteen hundred kilometers in July. Then there is the presence
Speaker 2: of huge icebergs, the difficulties of under ice navigation, and
Speaker 2: a two hundred and fifty kilometer crevice's strewn inland journey
Speaker 2: largely in the dark with winter temperatures to down negative
Speaker 2: fifty degrees celsius once the submarines had landed. So again,
Speaker 2: it's to say that these U boats came from Antarctica
Speaker 2: before the hid origin. I don't really see much evidence
Speaker 2: for that, but I don't think so either. But without
Speaker 2: further ado, you know what, we actually do have a
Speaker 2: good little VIDIA that we're gonna play who is going
Speaker 2: to uh give us another little insight into this? And
Speaker 2: also I left it purposely back a little bit. These
Speaker 2: are the blood falls that we talked about on the
Speaker 2: first part of this, and I think they're really cool.
Speaker 2: So let's check this out together. Like that's sick looking, right.
Speaker 2: That is the actual rust water that is coming out
Speaker 2: of that chasm in the ice into that lake.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I totally think that, like dead people were
Speaker 3: feeling this if I was like way back in the
Speaker 3: day and I just randomly stumbled upon it, like great.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, we're all going to die, right, all right,
Speaker 2: let's keep going.
Speaker 5: Interest in Antarctica and its secrets has not been recent.
Speaker 5: Long before modern satellite and international treaties, the frozen continent
Speaker 5: captured the attention of explorers, scientists, and even the most
Speaker 5: controversial regimes of the twentieth century, among them was Nazi Germany.
Speaker 5: In the years leading up to the Second World War,
Speaker 5: the Antarctic Frontier became the focus of an ambitious and
Speaker 5: largely forgotten expedition that would later become the center of
Speaker 5: countless theories. In nineteen thirty eight, Adolf Hitler authorized as
Speaker 5: secret Antarctic mission. The goal on the surface was resource based. Germany,
Speaker 5: preparing for the possibility of war, was searching for ways
Speaker 5: to reduce its dependence on foreign imports. Whale oil, essential
Speaker 5: for producing margarine, soap and other fat based products, was
Speaker 5: in high demand. Until then, Germany relied heavily on Norwegian exports,
Speaker 5: but Hitler's war plan needed self sufficiency, and for that
Speaker 5: the Southern Ocean offered potential. The expedition was organized quickly.
Speaker 5: On December seventeenth, nineteen thirty eight, the vessel M S
Speaker 5: Schwabenland left the port of Hamburg. On board were eighty
Speaker 5: two men, a mix of scientists, naval officers, technicians, and
Speaker 5: one Nazi Party representative. Their destination was a vast unclaimed
Speaker 5: territory in Queen Maudland, located between British and Norwegian sectors.
Speaker 5: Over the following weeks, the ship reached Antarctica's icy coastline
Speaker 5: and launched its two Dawnier Woll sea planes into the skies.
Speaker 5: The aircraft surveyed enormous stretches of land, dropping aluminum darts
Speaker 5: marked with swastikas to assert territorial claim. The Germans called
Speaker 5: this new territory Neus Schwabenland, New Swabia, naming it after
Speaker 5: the ship itself. In total, the expedition mapped over six
Speaker 5: hundred thousand square kilometers, significantly expanding the known geography of
Speaker 5: that part of the continent. Some of the photographs were
Speaker 5: taken in color, a rarity at the time, and many
Speaker 5: remain valuable scientific records.
Speaker 2: Vially.
Speaker 5: The mission ended in February nineteen thirty nine, just months
Speaker 5: before the outbreak of war. The Schwabenland returned to Hamburg
Speaker 5: carrying thousands of aerial photographs and geological observations. Much of
Speaker 5: the collected data, however, was either lost in the chaos
Speaker 5: of the war or remained unpublished for decades. Some documents
Speaker 5: surfaced only in the late nineteen fifties, either lost in
Speaker 5: the chaos of the war, or remained unpublished for decades.
Speaker 5: Some documents surfaced only in the late nineteen fifties. The rest,
Speaker 5: according to some researchers, may have been deliberately hidden. It
Speaker 5: is here that the mystery begins. For years, the nineteen
Speaker 5: thirty eight to thirty nine expedition was remembered as a
Speaker 5: short scientific mission with limited geopolitical consequences. After the war,
Speaker 5: whispers began to grow. Questions were raised about what the
Speaker 5: Nazis truly hoped to find or build in Antarctica. In
Speaker 5: the shadow of global conflict and in the wake of
Speaker 5: the Holocaust, a new narrative began to emerge. Some believed
Speaker 5: that Germany's interest in Antarctica went beyond whale oil and maps.
Speaker 5: According to post war rumors, the real purpose of the
Speaker 5: expedition was to establish a permanent foothold on the continent,
Speaker 5: a hidden base far from the reach of enemy nations.
Speaker 5: This alleged installation, buried deep beneath the ice, would serve
Speaker 5: as a safe haven, research facility, or even a last
Speaker 5: redoubt for the Nazi elite in the event of defeat
Speaker 5: in Europe. The idea of secret Nazi bases beneath Antarctica
Speaker 5: may sound improbable, yet a few events fed these suspicions.
Speaker 5: In July nineteen forty five, just two months after Germany's surrender,
Speaker 5: the German submarine U five point thirty appeared unexpectedly at
Speaker 5: the Argentine naval base of Mar del Plata. The next month,
Speaker 5: another submarine U nine seven seven arrived under similar mysterious circumstances.
Speaker 5: The commanders gave no satisfactory explanation for their long journeys
Speaker 5: or what they had been doing in the South Atlantic.
Speaker 5: Some believed they had delivered high ranking Nazis or valuable
Speaker 5: cargo to a hidden outpost before surrendering. To this day,
Speaker 5: no physical evidence of a Nazi base in Antarctica has
Speaker 5: ever been found, no tunnels, no abandoned structures, no hidden
Speaker 5: chambers carved into the bedrock. But parts of Norschwabenland, especially
Speaker 5: the Shechrmacher Oasis first spotted by the Germans, remain active
Speaker 5: scientific zones. The region now hosts international research stations, including
Speaker 5: those of Russia and India.
Speaker 2: Okay, so although the oasis in question wasn't this hotspot
Speaker 2: in New Schwabenland, it was at least an area that
Speaker 2: was not completely covered by ice. We're looking at pictures
Speaker 2: of it now. There is a lot of rock, but
Speaker 2: again that could be just from high winds blowing that,
Speaker 2: and I can understand that for sure. But all that
Speaker 2: to say, they there's a lot of claims that can
Speaker 2: be made and inferred based off of that.
Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting how much data that just
Speaker 3: disappeared and that the only was some was published in
Speaker 3: nineteen fifties. The rest of it, they just don't know
Speaker 3: what happened to it, where did it go, because you
Speaker 3: don't send any kind of team anywhere without taking an
Speaker 3: obscene amount of data, right, So for them to just
Speaker 3: be like, m here's a little bit of data that
Speaker 3: doesn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 2: Not to the level that this went down, for sure.
Speaker 3: I know. I do agree with though, saying that there
Speaker 3: might be a hidden place where they dropped off people
Speaker 3: before they decided to turn themselves in, which I think
Speaker 3: is also kind of weird, Like I mean, I guess
Speaker 3: because at the time you can't just show up with
Speaker 3: somebody with the U boat and be like, hey.
Speaker 2: Why again. Argentinia, Argentina, argent Argentina and Chile were both
Speaker 2: friendly with the Nazis, and so it's also very possible
Speaker 2: that when these U boats showed up, they got the
Speaker 2: VIPs off and then the sailors were arrested and interrogated
Speaker 2: and all that. There's all kinds of eyewitness reports of
Speaker 2: who they saw get off of the boat.
Speaker 3: Hill it was there, I know.
Speaker 2: I personally believe so, yes. But now let's shift over
Speaker 2: to operations High Jump and wind Mill, because this is
Speaker 2: where the story gets kind of weird. Okay, okay, So
Speaker 2: Operation high Jump nineteen forty six to nineteen forty seven,
Speaker 2: in Operation Windmill from nineteen forty seven nineteen forty eight,
Speaker 2: in the Antarctic summer seasons, where the United States Navy's
Speaker 2: operations with High Jump being the largest ever group to
Speaker 2: go to Antarctica consisting of and this is why it's
Speaker 2: so strange. Four thy seven hundred men, thirteen ships, and
Speaker 2: thirty three aircraft.
Speaker 3: That's so many people, that's so much stuff.
Speaker 2: That's a massive group to send to Antarctica for exploration purposes.
Speaker 2: And that's that's also why the narrative is a little
Speaker 2: weird here. So aside from the whole Nazi conversation, why
Speaker 2: would America sen that many people? And of course this
Speaker 2: is where Admiral Bird gets his mention who he flew
Speaker 2: over to the South Pole. He also got the Medal
Speaker 2: of Honor for flying over the North Pole. Should mention that,
Speaker 2: so he is a Medal of Honor recipient. I looked
Speaker 2: up his citation. It wasn't for valor.
Speaker 3: That's a battle that's definitely a planned out, strategic move.
Speaker 3: You don't need that many people unless you're trying to
Speaker 3: take something over.
Speaker 2: This is why the narrative about a potential Nazi base
Speaker 2: is very strange. Now, did they show up with this
Speaker 2: many men because they had heard rumors of a Nazi
Speaker 2: base and so they didn't exactly know what to expect,
Speaker 2: So they were coming out just in case there was
Speaker 2: some wild shit, or did they know exactly what they
Speaker 2: were coming up on and they were coming prepared.
Speaker 3: Or there's reptiles and that felin there.
Speaker 2: There could be also that case, right, So.
Speaker 3: Like they maybe just had a whole showdown to establish
Speaker 3: their own there, which is.
Speaker 2: Where the nuclear bombs that were detonated come into play
Speaker 2: here that we're going to talk about next. Let's talk
Speaker 2: about Operation High Jump and Wilma Windmill first though. All right,
Speaker 2: So High Jump this is when the mass uh deployment
Speaker 2: of troops, ships, and aircraft was done. The main purpose
Speaker 2: was to prepare for and practice techniques for cold weather
Speaker 2: warfare in polar conditions while being diplomatically far away from
Speaker 2: the Arctic and Russia, right right. It was primarily a
Speaker 2: military exercise, with a number of other important objectives such
Speaker 2: as establishing a research station, investigating further potential base sites,
Speaker 2: extending the sovereignty of the United States to an extensive
Speaker 2: region of the continent, and surveying the electromagnetic, geological, and hydrographical,
Speaker 2: and other scientifically important aspects of the physical environment.
Speaker 3: Nobody believes this.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Like.
Speaker 3: This, no one, the government is not going to waste
Speaker 3: their resources and that much money right on just some
Speaker 3: random ass bullshit a probe. No, that is that they
Speaker 3: went there for a reason.
Speaker 2: This was in nineteen forty seven. Keep in mind Roswell
Speaker 2: happened in nineteen forty seven, the alien crash that took
Speaker 2: place in Nevada or Exto.
Speaker 3: So we had an all out. But that's the thing though,
Speaker 3: you're talking forty seven hundred people that you what mine wiped?
Speaker 3: Like nope, Like how did.
Speaker 2: You get metals the Arctic expedition metal?
Speaker 3: I know, but not one person out of that group.
Speaker 3: There's always one. There's always one. You're telling me forty
Speaker 3: seven hundred people. Not one person was like, Hey, by
Speaker 3: the way, this is what we did right and nothing
Speaker 3: has come for what good old men? Black could be
Speaker 3: the reason? Why?
Speaker 2: Could be?
Speaker 3: Because mind wiping is definite thing.
Speaker 2: So now let's talk about Operation Windmill. It was a
Speaker 2: follow up, much smaller exercise the following year, and important
Speaker 2: part of which was to obtain ground references for these
Speaker 2: seventy thousand aerial photographs taken during high jump in the
Speaker 2: previous year. Helicopters were used extensively, hence the name Windmill
Speaker 2: being given to the operation. All we have heard about
Speaker 2: Antarctica is how there's basically hurricane force wins at all times.
Speaker 2: How did helicopters, I mean, I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: year round. That's what we have been led to believe,
Speaker 2: is that the conditions are pretty much just shit all
Speaker 2: year round. Yeah, So how were helicopters primarily used to
Speaker 2: take all these photographs and do more research into them?
Speaker 3: When they said that they didn't have hardly any information
Speaker 3: on Antarctica until recently, like I e, the last ten years.
Speaker 3: I will say, though, really quick to the mind wipe thing.
Speaker 3: Aria and a Grande just mentioned on an interview that
Speaker 3: she got real like pretty much that she got her
Speaker 3: memories erased.
Speaker 2: Yo, somebody needs to get Aria on a Grande a sandwich.
Speaker 3: That's beside the point. Yeah, but I'm just saying she
Speaker 3: actually said it. Like out loud that her memory. She's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I went to this place that like erases my memories
Speaker 3: and like I don't have them. So I don't really
Speaker 3: know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: I don't. So I'm not trying to sound like a
Speaker 2: dick here, I'm not. I don't think it would have
Speaker 2: been very difficult to wipe I don't think it's hard
Speaker 2: to wipe certain minds.
Speaker 3: I will just say that though, if there's no way
Speaker 3: forty seven hundred people, not one didn't say something that
Speaker 3: one whistleblower, I wonder if you could with I wonder
Speaker 3: if you could actually try to access the records of
Speaker 3: them going there.
Speaker 2: Oh by this point, yeah, you could do classify anything
Speaker 2: after fifty years, allegedly.
Speaker 3: Allegedly. So I'm wondering. I know there's somebody out there
Speaker 3: that's listening to us CUOLTE members that will have the
Speaker 3: time to do this. If you do this, please email
Speaker 3: us or send it to us.
Speaker 2: But then we have this next conversational piece that I
Speaker 2: think is interesting, the nuclear nuclear explosions. So keep in
Speaker 2: mind Operation Windmill took in nineteen forty eight, right or
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, this was high Jump was forty six to
Speaker 2: forty seven. Wind Mill was from forty seven to forty eight.
Speaker 2: All right, so in August and September of nineteen fifty eight,
Speaker 2: that's a decade after Windmill was wrapped up, three nuclear
Speaker 2: explosions were detonated by the United States as part of
Speaker 2: Operation Argus over the South Atlantic between thirty eight point
Speaker 2: five degrees and forty nine point five degrees south between
Speaker 2: twenty two eighty and thirty five hundred kilometers north of
Speaker 2: Antarctica to the south west of South Africa. Okay, very
Speaker 2: interesting because real quick, the southwest of South Africa. This
Speaker 2: image of New Swabin Land. I'm wondering if that's, you know,
Speaker 2: more towards the side of South Africa.
Speaker 3: We're going to have to put in the coordinates honestly
Speaker 3: to see.
Speaker 2: Look that up. Look up, look up at the southernmost
Speaker 2: tip of South Africa on a map.
Speaker 3: I wonder if it's on a lay line.
Speaker 2: Well they did just give the coordinates for that. But
Speaker 2: let's see this is.
Speaker 3: Okay, so give me the coordination.
Speaker 2: Uh hold on New schwabin Land. I'm trying to see
Speaker 2: this is I can't even read that Hong Hodson whatever. Basically,
Speaker 2: just look up, uh South Africa, and look at which
Speaker 2: section is closer to Antarctica, because I'm very curious if
Speaker 2: that is tying into that. But anyway, anyway, so now
Speaker 2: the nuclear explosions. Uh it says thirty eight point five
Speaker 2: degrees and forty nine point five degrees south. It doesn't
Speaker 2: say any other coordinates except just south. Is that New
Speaker 2: schwabin Land.
Speaker 3: I wonder it looks like it.
Speaker 2: Damn okay, hey boop boop ooh okay, wait wait wait,
Speaker 2: that's that's a perfect all right, Hold hold that thought,
Speaker 2: Hold that thought. I'm sorry it is that is the area,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 3: Everyone, so for you to be able to see what
Speaker 3: we're looking at there, So there is South Africa and
Speaker 3: then this down here is New Schwabenland.
Speaker 2: So New Schwabinland is, in fact the coastal region of
Speaker 2: Antarctica as closest to South Africa. And they are saying
Speaker 2: that these nuclear explosions took place somewhere between twenty two
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty five hundred kilometers north of Antarctica to
Speaker 2: the southwest of South Africa. Okay, these were high altitude bursts,
Speaker 2: and as as might be expected at the time of
Speaker 2: the height of the Cold War were shrouded in secrecy,
Speaker 2: though they were reported soon afterwards in nineteen sixty one.
Speaker 2: So now I'm going to skip on down here to
Speaker 2: the atom bombs. The invented narrative quote unquote invented narrative,
Speaker 2: we're on a conspiracy show, brother, give us some break
Speaker 2: here says that nineteen fifty eight, three nuclear bombs were
Speaker 2: used to destroy the Nazi base on the droning maud Land.
Speaker 2: The reality is that they were high altitude test explosions
Speaker 2: for a particular purpose of potentially interfering with radar, radio,
Speaker 2: and electronic of satellites and missiles. They were exploded between
Speaker 2: twenty two eighty and thirty five hundred kilometers north of Antarctica.
Speaker 2: Antarctica is a much studied environment, in part because it's clean,
Speaker 2: with virtually no pollution. That's interesting that they say that,
Speaker 2: when earlier they said that the sea surrounding Antarctica accumulates
Speaker 2: fifteen percent of all carbon on Earth. So it's very
Speaker 2: interesting that that's the narrative that this person's going with.
Speaker 2: But okay, it continues. Ice cores taken show peaks of
Speaker 2: radioactive fallout from nineteen fifties and sixties nuclear tests thousands
Speaker 2: of kilometers away in a chronological order as they are
Speaker 2: trapped within seasonal snowfall and accumulation, and so recorded nuclear
Speaker 2: explosions directly over droning Maudland in nineteen fifty eight would
Speaker 2: show dramatic peaks of radioisotopes if they happened. No such
Speaker 2: evidence has ever been found in any of the ice
Speaker 2: cores taken in nineteen fifty eight was part of the
Speaker 2: International Geophysical Year when there was a great international cooperation
Speaker 2: to study the polar regions, including the establishment of many
Speaker 2: temporary and permanent scientific bases. At this time there were Belgium, British,
Speaker 2: Japanese and Norwegian scientists living on newly established bases in
Speaker 2: the area. Nuclear explosions would have been noticed and reported.
Speaker 2: So wait a minute, you're telling me that this was
Speaker 2: a time of great international cooperation to study these things.
Speaker 2: And of the groups that you just mentioned Belgium, Britain,
Speaker 2: Japan and Norway, three of those four were on the
Speaker 2: Allied side of the war, and Japan, especially after all
Speaker 2: of their war crimes were discovered and kind of brushed over,
Speaker 2: they were very in line with keeping with whatever their
Speaker 2: daddy said. So AKA the United States, So you know.
Speaker 3: And just they've never had any record of it being
Speaker 3: trapped allegedly. Allegedly, Okay, if it hit something, maybe maybe
Speaker 3: there was a big hole.
Speaker 2: They were just saying that it was air burst nukes
Speaker 2: though they weren't. They aren't going to hit anything on
Speaker 2: the ground. That'd be crazy. So now let's learn more
Speaker 2: about Operation High Jump together. Good call members.
Speaker 5: The story deepened with Operation High Jump. In nineteen forty
Speaker 5: six and nineteen forty seven, the United States launched the
Speaker 5: largest Antarctic military expedition in history. Led by Admiral Richard E. Byrd,
Speaker 5: it involved over four thy seven hundred men, thirteen ships,
Speaker 5: and dozens of aircraft. Officially, it was a scientific mission
Speaker 5: aimed at training and mapping, but the scale and urgency
Speaker 5: of the operation sparked speculation that the US Navy was
Speaker 5: responding to more than just geography. Some theorists suggest that
Speaker 5: Bird's fleet was sent to investigate or eliminate a Nazi
Speaker 5: presence still active on the continent from the outset. Operation
Speaker 5: High Jump was unlike any Antarctic expedition before. It organized
Speaker 5: in a time of uneasy peace, just months after the
Speaker 5: end of World War II. It was both ambitious and unprecedented.
Speaker 5: The force was divided into three naval groups, Eastern, Western,
Speaker 5: and Central, each with its own aircraft and icebreaker support.
Speaker 5: Their goal was to map as much of the continent
Speaker 5: as possible using aerial photography, and to test military equipment
Speaker 5: under polar conditions. Rear Admiral Richard H. Cruzen commanded the
Speaker 5: task force, but it was Bird, now an experienced polar
Speaker 5: explorer and a decorated naval officer, who once again became
Speaker 5: the public face of America's presence in Antarctica. The operation
Speaker 5: established a base known as Little America four and conducted
Speaker 5: extensive aerial surveys. By the end of the expedition, more
Speaker 5: than one point five million square miles of Antarctica had
Speaker 5: been photographed and thousands of images had been collected. However,
Speaker 5: it wasn't the photography that drew global attention. It was
Speaker 5: what happened behind the scenes and what Bird may have encountered.
Speaker 5: According to the official record, Operation High Jump lasted from
Speaker 5: December nineteen forty six to March nineteen forty seven, but
Speaker 5: the mission was cut short, ending weeks earlier than scheduled.
Speaker 5: This abrupt departure gave rise to a wave of questions.
Speaker 5: Reports of damaged aircraft, unexplained losses, and unusual encounters fueled
Speaker 5: rumours that something had gone wrong, or perhaps something had
Speaker 5: been found. Among the more persistent theories is that the
Speaker 5: mission had a hidden agenda to locate a rumoured underground
Speaker 5: Nazi base near the Queen Maude Land region, the same
Speaker 5: territory explored by the German New Swabia expedition. Proponents of
Speaker 5: this theory point to the high number of military personnel
Speaker 5: involved and the presence of advanced technology, including aircraft capable
Speaker 5: of long range reconnaissance. They also reference unexplained air crashes,
Speaker 5: including the fatal loss of the Martin PBM five flying
Speaker 5: boat George I, which claimed the lives of three crewmen.
Speaker 5: In the years following Operation High Jump, rumors began to
Speaker 5: circulate that Bird had encountered something extraordinary during one of
Speaker 5: his reconnaissance flights.
Speaker 2: Now we are about to get into the conversation of
Speaker 2: possibly so possibly hollow earth. M let's go.
Speaker 3: I was just thinking, though, really quickly, about the plane
Speaker 3: crashes and about how we're going to talk about the
Speaker 3: radio frequencies that they're thinking about, And I was like,
Speaker 3: what if they had an electro pulse and knocked out
Speaker 3: the navigation and that's how they crashed. It's very possible,
Speaker 3: considering they have all sorts of magnetic fields and everything
Speaker 3: else that they've talked about there. What if there was
Speaker 3: there's something else there that knocked out the navigation and
Speaker 3: it crashed the planes.
Speaker 2: Something like to berming you to triangle or like that.
Speaker 2: M hmmm hm. All right, now this is where things
Speaker 2: go a little sideways. Some people will say this is
Speaker 2: completely fake. Some people will say it's absolutely verified because
Speaker 2: of his diary. Now was his diary legitimate or was
Speaker 2: it a forgery? Depends on the literature you read, to
Speaker 2: be honest with you, but let's hear about this incredible
Speaker 2: discovery together.
Speaker 5: According to certain accounts, his aircraft entered an area that
Speaker 5: should not have existed, a temperate zone amid the ice,
Speaker 5: a landscape of green valleys and warm air. Some sources
Speaker 5: claim he saw not just a change in climate, but
Speaker 5: in reality itself, unknown flying objects in the sky, and
Speaker 5: even contact with beings from an advanced subterranean civilization from
Speaker 5: an advanced subterranean civilization. These accounts were not part of
Speaker 5: any official report, but in the nineteen sixties, a document
Speaker 5: began to circulate, allegedly a secret diary kept by Admiral
Speaker 5: Bird during the expedition. In it, Bird describes an encounter
Speaker 5: with an aircraft unlike any he had seen before. His
Speaker 5: instruments fail, his radio is taken over. He is guided
Speaker 5: to a landing strip in a hidden valley. There, he claims,
Speaker 5: he is welcomed by tall beings with luminous eyes and
Speaker 5: advanced knowledge. They take him to a city beneath the
Speaker 5: Earth's surface, a place they call a Gartha. Agatha is
Speaker 5: a mythical kingdom said to exist within the Earth itself,
Speaker 5: a concept tied closely to the hollow Earth theory. According
Speaker 5: to these beliefs, our planet is not a solid sphere,
Speaker 5: but a layered shell containing vast inner spaces, cities, and
Speaker 5: even oceans. A Gatha, the largest of these subterranean realms,
Speaker 5: is described as a civilization more ancient and advanced than
Speaker 5: our own. The people of Agatha, sometimes called the Old Ones,
Speaker 5: are said to possess technology far beyond what is known
Speaker 5: on the surface, including vehicles that can fly without fuel
Speaker 5: and the ability to manipulate natural forces. This idea has
Speaker 5: appeared in stories and myths across many cultures, from Shamba
Speaker 5: in Tibetan tradition to the underworld cities of the Mayans
Speaker 5: and Celts, there is a recurring motif of hidden civilizations
Speaker 5: beneath the earth. In the case of Agatha, the story
Speaker 5: gained traction in the nineteenth century, with French and German
Speaker 5: occult writers spreading the tale of a lost inner world,
Speaker 5: but it was the supposed connection with Admiral Bird that
Speaker 5: brought it into the modern age and the realm of Antarctica.
Speaker 5: According to the diary, the Agathians warned Bird about the
Speaker 5: growing danger of nuclear weapons and the direction of human society.
Speaker 5: They claimed to have observed surface civilization for centuries and
Speaker 5: feared its destructive potential. Bird was told to return to
Speaker 5: his superiors with their message, a call for peace and balance,
Speaker 5: and then sent back through the ice. And yet this
Speaker 5: document has never been confirmed as authentic, even though many
Speaker 5: believe in it. Some people think the diary is fake.
Speaker 5: They say Bird never said anything like that himself, and
Speaker 5: there's no official proof that such an event happened. Still,
Speaker 5: the story lived on, helped by the secrecy around parts
Speaker 5: of Operation High Jump and some things Bird said in
Speaker 5: interviews in a rare interview published in Chile in March
Speaker 5: nineteen forty seven, Bird talked about how important Antarctica could
Speaker 5: be in the future. He warned that one day the
Speaker 5: US might be attacked from over the polar regions. Some
Speaker 5: people think this was his way of he hinting at
Speaker 5: what he saw down there. As the Cold War grew stronger,
Speaker 5: the US sent more missions to Antarctica.
Speaker 2: All right, so real quick here, this is why so
Speaker 2: many people have said things about Agartha and the Hollow
Speaker 2: Earth and all this because of a diary entry from
Speaker 2: Admiral Bird allegedly. Okay, okay, fine, let's talk about this.
Speaker 2: There is a bit of a misnomber when it comes
Speaker 2: to the theories that were proposed by the occultists and
Speaker 2: the well, i'll just call them pseudo occultists of the
Speaker 2: nineteen fifties and sixties. So here's my point with this
Speaker 2: Agartha and what. There's this whole conversation between the Buddhists
Speaker 2: believe in Agartha, and it's backed up by Far Eastern
Speaker 2: theologies as well as Western theologies. Here's the deal. They
Speaker 2: keep trying to make the connection between Shimbala and Agartha
Speaker 2: and it's not. That's not a fair comparison here. So
Speaker 2: Agartha is not part of traditional Buddhist teachings in the
Speaker 2: nineteenth century. Legend from Western esotericism is that is often
Speaker 2: confused with the Buddhist concept of Shimbala. Unlike the mythical
Speaker 2: kingdom of Shambala, which has its roots in Vaharayah Buddhism,
Speaker 2: Agartha is a modern creation. So just we're all clear here,
Speaker 2: there's no ancient source at all that talks about Agartha.
Speaker 2: It was a thing that was created in the nineteen hundreds.
Speaker 2: Now that being said that ancients, no ancients from the West.
Speaker 2: They had their own ideas about like the underworld like
Speaker 2: for sure, and some sort of a realm existing beneath
Speaker 2: the surface of the earth, for sure. I'm not denying this.
Speaker 2: But the idea and concept of Agartha, its origins came
Speaker 2: about actually in the eighteen seventy three book by Lewis
Speaker 2: Jakolit Jacolate. I don't know his book, le Fi did
Speaker 2: do the Sons of God Jacquelit invented a lost ancient
Speaker 2: city he called Asgartha based on his interpretation of Indian
Speaker 2: myths mixed with his own creations. It's a very remnant
Speaker 2: of Madame Blovotsky, who so many people think is like
Speaker 2: the queen of Eastern esotericism. When you read her story,
Speaker 2: she didn't even go to the places she claimed she went.
Speaker 2: The person she met never existed. Her story was a
Speaker 2: complete fabrication that she used to sell books when she
Speaker 2: got back to Europe. But okay, continuing it, says Alexandra
Speaker 2: san yieves, I'm not going to try to pronounce that
Speaker 2: last one. Eighteen eighty six, a later occultist, saying Eves
Speaker 2: significantly expanded the legend by portraying Agartha as a subterranean
Speaker 2: utopia hidden beneath the Himalayas. So not Antarctica, the Himalayas.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: He claimed to have learned about it through astro travel
Speaker 2: shocker what, and portrayed it as hidden advanced civilization led
Speaker 2: by a king the world, Yes, because astral is something
Speaker 2: that we can really sink our teeth into.
Speaker 3: Here. Oh, the world would be like Kan, he would.
Speaker 2: Think, right, which is why a lot of these these
Speaker 2: like the gods of the verses, King Kong, and they
Speaker 2: went through Did they go through the Himalayas to get there?
Speaker 3: I don't know they did. They go through They go
Speaker 3: through the hollow earth pretty much right, and they got
Speaker 3: I know, they go through the I thought they went
Speaker 3: through the water. They go like under that big cave.
Speaker 3: M maybe I don't know. I don't know, I don't remember,
Speaker 3: to be honest with you.
Speaker 2: Continueing here. Ferdinand osen Dawski nineteen twenty two, a Polish
Speaker 2: explorer and writer, popularized the story in his book Beasts,
Speaker 2: Men and Gods, claiming that Buddhist Lamas he had met
Speaker 2: in Mongolia spoke of a hidden underground kingdom called Agartha.
Speaker 2: Once again, the Buddhists have never had a concept of Agartha.
Speaker 2: He's confusing it with Shimbala, which it's not exactly. It's
Speaker 2: not even close to the same thing, to be honest
Speaker 2: with you, So Shimbala itself the Buddhist view on Agartha.
Speaker 2: Since Agartha is a legend from the West occultism, it's
Speaker 2: not from a traditional Buddhist text. There is no formal
Speaker 2: Buddhist belief system surrounding it. Buddhism instead focuses on its
Speaker 2: own cosmological realms, which include the six realms of rebirth
Speaker 2: or Samsara. These are states of existence through which beings
Speaker 2: are reborn based on their karma. The six realms are
Speaker 2: those of hell beings, hungry ghosts, animals, humans, jealous gods
Speaker 2: or surahs, and gods which is devas. Again, I am
Speaker 2: not a big believer in karma, Like I understand, like
Speaker 2: if you do good shit, good shit'll happen to you.
Speaker 2: Like that level of karma I can get behind. But uh,
Speaker 2: when you look at it, the people that created karma,
Speaker 2: the vedix in those in India, also created the untouchables
Speaker 2: and their caste system. So basically, karma only applies whenever
Speaker 2: it's you. But if it's you trying to help your
Speaker 2: fellow man aka the slum lords and the un touchables,
Speaker 2: you treat them lower than dirt because that's how good
Speaker 2: your karma is. It even in its own conception, it's
Speaker 2: fucking stupid. And then pure lands these, I mean, yeah
Speaker 2: for sure anyway. Pure lands these are Buddha fields or
Speaker 2: celestial realms created by enlightened beings such as Shambala. In
Speaker 2: the Kalaka tradition. Entry into these lands is achieved through
Speaker 2: spiritual practice, not by finding a physical location. So again
Speaker 2: the Agartha conversation only came about in the nineteen or
Speaker 2: the late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds. Shambala is a
Speaker 2: spiritual place. It's not something that you can physically see.
Speaker 2: So Admiral Bird flying over Antarctica and seeing this thing
Speaker 2: that they're calling this extra land, it's not it couldn't
Speaker 2: have been that. I'll just say like that. And then
Speaker 2: his journal itself, it's fascinating. I've thumbed through it a
Speaker 2: time or two, not physically, of course, like online printouts
Speaker 2: of it. There's a few problems with it. For one,
Speaker 2: it's not his handwriting, and that's been confirmed by multiple
Speaker 2: people who saw his actual handwriting and saw it. Secondly,
Speaker 2: it only came out after his death. Yeah, and so
Speaker 2: it doesn't help anything. He wasn't there to verify these
Speaker 2: claims whatsoever. The interviews that he gave, which you can
Speaker 2: go and listen to right now, I will say the
Speaker 2: sound quality is not the best. This is in the
Speaker 2: nineteen forties and fifties when he was actually able to
Speaker 2: go and talk about these things. He was talking about
Speaker 2: how Antarctica is a place rich with gold, oil and uranium.
Speaker 2: Now how he figured that out from flying over it
Speaker 2: or whatever? Operation high jump with all of those experts
Speaker 2: and all of these soldiers whatever was able to find.
Speaker 2: That's very interesting to me. But he was making the
Speaker 2: case that Antarctica is rich with natural resources that one
Speaker 2: day we'll be able to get to. But he was
Speaker 2: also this whole narrative about the whole aliens or whatever's
Speaker 2: telling him that nukes were so bad and that they
Speaker 2: need to stop doing that. Cut to ten years later
Speaker 2: when they dropped three nukes on Antarctica. So obviously they
Speaker 2: didn't listen. So yeah, yeah, the whole it's interesting.
Speaker 3: I will say the photo that they showed had a
Speaker 3: ink blot on it that resembled the tests as they
Speaker 3: used for psychiatry.
Speaker 2: The rorshack test they did. If you look at the
Speaker 2: it looks.
Speaker 3: Just like it, and on the picture itself when they
Speaker 3: zoomed out, I was like, wait a second, I know
Speaker 3: what that is.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The random stains on the pages looked very roar
Speaker 2: shacky to me as well, for sure.
Speaker 3: I mean, I was like, that's weird, it's possible. I mean,
Speaker 3: I do think it's interesting though that I don't know.
Speaker 3: I find it really odd that this journal would come
Speaker 3: out after his death when he couldn't verify it. If
Speaker 3: he was going to be a whistleblower while he's alive,
Speaker 3: then why not do it and speak loudly on it.
Speaker 3: If you're really that adamant about this coming out, I
Speaker 3: think it's odd timing for it to come out. I do.
Speaker 3: Still I'm really hung up on the forty seven hundred
Speaker 3: men being there. I am definitely.
Speaker 2: Thirteen ships, thirty aircraft, Yeah, thirty guys, like, yes, thirty.
Speaker 3: Three aircrafts, especially in a time where we already were
Speaker 3: having resources that were thin. And it said that he
Speaker 3: was going around talking to people, uh in the year
Speaker 3: forty seven, the same year as Roswell, And I'm like,
Speaker 3: it's just I you know, I don't believe in coincidences anymore.
Speaker 3: Like they're just too coincidental. And it's like, that's a
Speaker 3: lot of people to take there. Yeah, that's a huge push.
Speaker 3: That is invasion push. Yeah, that is not a hey,
Speaker 3: we're just gonna go there to go sightseeing. No, that's
Speaker 3: an invasion conquer push. That is we're going there.
Speaker 2: To function up exactly and take over.
Speaker 3: So whatever was there dot dot dot, Yeah, we were
Speaker 3: going there with the hopes of taking over. But then
Speaker 3: that leads to the whole thing about how most of
Speaker 3: the bases that science science stuff is out of our
Speaker 3: military basis.
Speaker 2: Still, well, military's got better funding than most other organizations.
Speaker 3: True, but if they're wanting to keep a lock on
Speaker 3: whatever's happening there, sure, my man just wagers.
Speaker 2: And it makes sense if they had reports of a
Speaker 2: Nazi base, and maybe they were unverified, but they could
Speaker 2: find some sort of a record in Nazi Germany through
Speaker 2: the Nuremberg Trials to say that there was some sort
Speaker 2: of a exploration that was done in Antarctica, and they
Speaker 2: set up New Swabenland.
Speaker 3: I could see two thousand, I could see taking two
Speaker 3: thousand as a tester to scope it out. Almost five
Speaker 3: thousand men. You can't convince me otherwise. That is a
Speaker 3: straight push.
Speaker 2: And that's another thing too. Project paper Clip was happening
Speaker 2: at that time when Operation high Jump went down. So
Speaker 2: you had all these Nazis, these expats. One of them,
Speaker 2: for instance, Warner von Braun, who was the person that
Speaker 2: led to the rocketeering that put a man on the
Speaker 2: moon allegedly. But he was a devout Nazi scientist. And
Speaker 2: there are those that I will say, well, he was
Speaker 2: just a scientist that happened to be born in Nazi Germany.
Speaker 2: He wasn't a actual Nazi believer. He hung the slowest
Speaker 2: five Jews outside of his laboratory every week. So no,
Speaker 2: he was a true blue, well i should say red
Speaker 2: believer in Nazi ideals and ideology and also became a
Speaker 2: really good friend to Walt Disney, who was a Jew.
Speaker 2: So I think that's funny in and of itself, but
Speaker 2: neither here nor there.
Speaker 3: So you could probably turn on the other Jews. He's
Speaker 3: probably the ones that turn in their Jews, their Jew friends.
Speaker 2: Oh Disney, Oh, I believe it absolutely.
Speaker 3: He wanted to kill people every movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah Disney hates moms. Oh yeah, but Pixar they beloving moms.
Speaker 2: Just saying anyway, So moving into that direction here, Project
Speaker 2: paper Clip was going on. You had all these expat
Speaker 2: Nazis who are making their way to America and they
Speaker 2: were kind of given some secrets about some things that
Speaker 2: the Nazis were doing during what War two, not even
Speaker 2: two years.
Speaker 3: After they found maybe they've found a hole.
Speaker 2: Honestly, maybe well we're going to talk about the hole
Speaker 2: in a bit.
Speaker 3: Maybe they found a hole to the center of the Earth.
Speaker 3: By the way, it was a cave. I was correct.
Speaker 3: It wasn't underneath that's where god Zilh went. It was
Speaker 3: the one on Skull Island that he goes through.
Speaker 2: Which is in India. Yeah, which is where the Himalayas
Speaker 2: are found.
Speaker 3: Well, no, no, it does not know it said that
Speaker 3: he did not go through the Himalayans. Well, I just
Speaker 3: wanted to verify because it occurred like that and I
Speaker 3: needed to. I needed to make sure because I know
Speaker 3: that the spirit animals listening and you will message me
Speaker 3: if I got this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you will, absolutely so. Anyway, as far as the
Speaker 2: Admiral Bird Journal goes, and I know there's gonna be
Speaker 2: people that disagree with even my take on to say
Speaker 2: that it was a forgery, I get it, I absolutely do.
Speaker 2: I am saying that as of this moment, all evidence
Speaker 2: points me into the direction of it being a forgery.
Speaker 2: If new evidence does come out, I am more than
Speaker 2: happy to shift my viewpoint on it. But as of
Speaker 2: this moment, I'm saying that there was some crazy fuck
Speaker 2: shit going on with Operation high Jump, the journal entry
Speaker 2: and the Lost land and the Aryans. There's also reports
Speaker 2: of him being escorted in by flying craft with swastikas
Speaker 2: on them, and that's where he met the tall whites,
Speaker 2: the Aryans that the Nazis met up with that were
Speaker 2: the true Arian race, and these giants and this, and
Speaker 2: it's it goes way way deep into the realm of
Speaker 2: sci fi. The deeper you look into it, and it's like, okay, wait, pause.
Speaker 2: This is the same guy that came and give multiple
Speaker 2: interviews on TV about what he saw there and what
Speaker 2: he found there. Forty seven hundred dudes were all in
Speaker 2: the mix on this, and they all kept their mouths shut. Well,
Speaker 2: you know, you can never trust military. They are sworn
Speaker 2: to secretcy Listen, we were both we're both military vets.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you now, the stories of what went down
Speaker 2: in Afghanistan have come out.
Speaker 3: Okay, as soon as I saw an alien, If I
Speaker 3: saw one, I'd.
Speaker 2: Be like, Arah, I'll be telling everybody.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you all need to know, like we're fucked,
Speaker 3: Like everyone needs to know this, like unless they wipe
Speaker 3: their memories.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like this the story of the Giant
Speaker 2: of Kandahar, right, that story, well, it was super top
Speaker 2: secret and only the military knows about and they're keeping
Speaker 2: their mouths shut. Name I'll throw a rock at any
Speaker 2: military base. I guarantee you'll hit somebody who knows about
Speaker 2: the story of the Giant of Kandahar.
Speaker 3: To be fair, if if the military did go in there,
Speaker 3: I e. The Marines went in there, they one of them,
Speaker 3: if not all of them, would be trying to fuck
Speaker 3: an alien, oh for sure, and then brag about it.
Speaker 2: Must clap alien cheeks. We gotta know that the science
Speaker 2: is out there.
Speaker 3: Right, Like, you can't convince me otherwise being around uh
Speaker 3: marine men. I'm just saying, without a shadow of a doubt.
Speaker 2: Are women a nasty two? I don't want to hear
Speaker 2: that shit.
Speaker 3: I wasn't saying they were nasty. I'm just confirming that,
Speaker 3: like they would in fact take bets to see who
Speaker 3: could fuck the alien first. It's a sunny badger, we firm.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's it's a it's a standard thing, an
Speaker 2: E three or below marine. If you give them any object,
Speaker 2: they will within the first ten minutes lose it, break it,
Speaker 2: or try to get it pregnant, or try to find
Speaker 2: a way to make it a weapon. These are the
Speaker 2: only options. It is in our nature. I'm sorry, it
Speaker 2: is what it is. So if all of these again,
Speaker 2: that would think that they were part of the navy,
Speaker 2: so I would assume it was marine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say its like the Marines had them,
Speaker 3: because if they're going to be a push, we're gonna
Speaker 3: be the ones there.
Speaker 2: Sailors are no better. Keep in mind, we're talking about
Speaker 2: cap'n Cook's men and then fucking the man Ates, which
Speaker 2: is a a ca that's a thing, that's a known thing.
Speaker 2: It's not even like a hypothetical disgusting this tail Like,
Speaker 2: sailors be fucking some nasty things too. So even if
Speaker 2: they were all sailors that made the way to Antarctica
Speaker 2: and they found out that aliens do in fact have
Speaker 2: cheeks and they can possibly be clapped, the sailors are
Speaker 2: going to do just as nasty shit as us.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I'm just saying, though the forty seven
Speaker 3: hundred to keep quiet as ridiculous amount and whatever happened, definitely,
Speaker 3: and how it's all coincidentally timed around each other, and
Speaker 3: how he was giving interviews though that was saying a
Speaker 3: completely different story at the exact same time. So it's like,
Speaker 3: is this one of those things to discredit him in
Speaker 3: the sense of Hey, we have gold. Hey, we have
Speaker 3: all this stuff, and so this is us discrediting his name,
Speaker 3: or is it. Hey, look at this shiny little thing
Speaker 3: that we're talking about over here, and then let's not
Speaker 3: ask any of the questions as to why we had
Speaker 3: all of these other people over there or roswell happening
Speaker 3: or anything else. Like focus in on this dude and
Speaker 3: just run with it.
Speaker 2: I will say also that I find it interesting that
Speaker 2: this is all before the Antarctic Peace Treaty was signed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was fifty three fifty nine eight eight wow.
Speaker 2: Which we're going to talk about it here in a
Speaker 2: bit because the Madrid Protocols. But so here's my point
Speaker 2: against that. Right. He also mentioned that we America may
Speaker 2: be attacked from the polls. Now people think he means
Speaker 2: clearly the South Pole. Keep in mind he also led
Speaker 2: an expedition over the North Pole as well.
Speaker 3: M hmm.
Speaker 2: So that being.
Speaker 3: Said, my uncle went to the North Pole.
Speaker 2: Lucky except for the whole cold thing. But like, it's
Speaker 2: cool to say that you did, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But beside the point, if that's true, keep in mind,
Speaker 2: we still look at the North Pole because that is
Speaker 2: the quickest way to Russia as the crow flies. Now, yes,
Speaker 2: it's very treacherous, and the wind and the cold and
Speaker 2: all the yeah, I get that, But as far as
Speaker 2: an actual land invasion was concerned, we cannot negate the
Speaker 2: possibility of some foreign adversary coming from the north side
Speaker 2: of it, going through much of the wilderness of Canada
Speaker 2: that is uninhabited. Ninety percent of the Canadian population live
Speaker 2: within one hundred miles of the US border. That's just
Speaker 2: the way that works. Because it's warmer.
Speaker 3: It's fucking freezy there.
Speaker 2: I agree, I don't understand, but.
Speaker 3: It's disgustingly cold.
Speaker 2: But my point is if they were to make their
Speaker 2: way from the north side and come to America from
Speaker 2: the North Pole. He never said specifically that an attack
Speaker 2: would come from the South Pole. He said that the
Speaker 2: Poles might be used to attack US. Couple that with
Speaker 2: what he found in South at the South Pole in Antarctica,
Speaker 2: the oil and the uranium and the natural resources gold.
Speaker 2: He even said, so it would stand to reason that,
Speaker 2: especially during the Cold War when it's US versus Russia,
Speaker 2: that he would say that, Yo, we need to keep
Speaker 2: an eye on the Poles to make sure that the
Speaker 2: Commies don't get there and use that shit before we do.
Speaker 3: It's interesting how all this came out and then the
Speaker 3: treaty was signed. Yeah, kind of.
Speaker 2: Weird, which is also crazy that they got all these
Speaker 2: countries that were not in the best graces with each
Speaker 2: other to come to the table and agree that nobody's
Speaker 2: going to fuck with Antarctica and knowing that it's full
Speaker 2: of natural resources.
Speaker 3: Or it's full of other shit that we don't that
Speaker 3: we don't want to piss off. Very possibly definitely a vibe.
Speaker 3: Maybe when it runs out in forty eight it's going
Speaker 3: to be like that's when they decide to make their
Speaker 3: presence known.
Speaker 2: It's very possible.
Speaker 3: Hey, by the way, we're here, we've been here, what's up.
Speaker 2: So with that in mind, I'm also curious if Project
Speaker 2: High Jump was trying to find an underground base. I'm
Speaker 2: not just gonna say Nazi bas although could be base
Speaker 2: of some type, but especially when you learn that there
Speaker 2: is currently radio signals being sent out of Antarctica that
Speaker 2: we only discovered in twenty sixteen and then stopped reading
Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen and just said, well that's the thing
Speaker 2: we know now and on to the next thing. It's like, wait, what, Yeah,
Speaker 2: let's learn about it.
Speaker 3: So, like the hollower theory, let's just say.
Speaker 2: All right, so now this is from Smithsonian magazine, And yes,
Speaker 2: I understand that it's Smithsonian. You have to take what
Speaker 2: they say with a grain of salt. But at the
Speaker 2: same time they do do a pretty decent job of
Speaker 2: telling the information as they know it. So now let's
Speaker 2: talk about the mysterious radio pulses found in Antarctica that
Speaker 2: seem to defy physics, and researchers are trying to trace
Speaker 2: their origins. Strange signals detected by NASA's instruments more than
Speaker 2: a decade ago have continued to confound scientists, but a
Speaker 2: new paper rules out cosmic neutrinos as a source. Very fascinating.
Speaker 2: Nearly ten years ago, scientific instruments picked up strange radio
Speaker 2: pulses in Antarctica. Now, in a study recently published in
Speaker 2: Physical Review Letters, researchers take us a step closer to
Speaker 2: figuring out their origins. The signals were uncovered between twenty
Speaker 2: sixteen and twenty eighteen by NASA's Impulsive Transient Antenna or
Speaker 2: ANITA ANITA, which use balloons to send detection instruments. More
Speaker 2: than eighteen miles above the icy continent in an attempt
Speaker 2: to identify neutrinos. Neutrinos are higher energy cosmic particles that
Speaker 2: are abundant throughout the universe, but due to their vaporious nature,
Speaker 2: they can pass through many types of matter, even stars,
Speaker 2: and remain unchanged. This makes neutrinos incredibly difficult to detect,
Speaker 2: and physicists have nicknamed them ghost partsticles for that reason.
Speaker 2: Neutrinos do interact with water and ice, however, producing pulses
Speaker 2: of radio waves and showers of particles that can help
Speaker 2: scientists find them with powerful instruments. Once detected, neutrinos can
Speaker 2: reveal impressive information about the nature of cosmics events that
Speaker 2: took place light years away, as Stephen Whistle and astrophysicists
Speaker 2: at Pennsylvania State University, Yeah there's penn State for you,
Speaker 2: says in a statement. Since neutrinos don't interact with much
Speaker 2: of anything, researchers should be able to trace their detection
Speaker 2: or excuse me, direction of travel backward to their point
Speaker 2: of origin, likely a super powerful cosmic event. ANITA is
Speaker 2: meant to detect radio pulses omitted by neutrinos as they
Speaker 2: move through the ice, but its mysterious signals appear to
Speaker 2: come from far below the horizon, passing through thousands of
Speaker 2: miles of Earth's rocky interior. These pulses seem to defy
Speaker 2: current understandings of particle physics, since radio waves caused by
Speaker 2: neutrinos are not expected to be able to pass through
Speaker 2: so much rock. Because they shouldn't be able to, they
Speaker 2: are expected to arrive from slightly below the horizon, where
Speaker 2: there is not much earth for them to be absorbed.
Speaker 2: Justin Vanderbrook, a physicist at University of Wisconsin Madison who
Speaker 2: was not involved in the research but peer reviewed it,
Speaker 2: tell CNN's Ashley Strickland. Models predict these pulses would come
Speaker 2: in at angles of only one to five degrees below
Speaker 2: the horizon. These came through the ice at a much
Speaker 2: sharper thirty degrees, leaving researchers unable to identify their origins.
Speaker 2: Since then, physicists have been trying to understand the nature
Speaker 2: of these strange signals, such as whether these findings could
Speaker 2: have been a fluke or could point to the existence
Speaker 2: of particles or interactions previously uncharted. The recent study used
Speaker 2: as Pierre Auger Observatory in Argentina bring together hundreds of
Speaker 2: scientists from around the world to analyze fifteen years of
Speaker 2: cosmic data in an attempt to explain Anita's results. The
Speaker 2: observatory employed two different methods in an attempt to find
Speaker 2: the exact signal Anita did. As reported by CNN, the
Speaker 2: first method tried to find high energy particles through tracking
Speaker 2: their interactions with water and tanks on Earth. The second
Speaker 2: method looked for particle interactions with ultraviolet light high in
Speaker 2: the atmosphere, but the team couldn't find any evidence of
Speaker 2: similar signals detected by Pierre Auger, nor could researchers find
Speaker 2: similar events in data from the ice Cube experiments in Antarctica,
Speaker 2: which also was searching for neutrinos. The study concluded that
Speaker 2: the signals detected by Anita could not have been caused
Speaker 2: by neutrinos, thus characterizing them as anomalists. The study was
Speaker 2: also able to clarify that noise and other known particle
Speaker 2: interactions did not contribute to the signals yet, though they
Speaker 2: ruled out a few possible hypotheses, scientists are still not
Speaker 2: sure what exactly caused the strange radio pulses. Much research
Speaker 2: is needed or needs to be done in this study.
Speaker 2: Co author Benjamin Flags of physicists that at the University
Speaker 2: of Delaware tells Live Science is Perry Taylor. There are
Speaker 2: theorists per posing some beyond standard model interactions from different
Speaker 2: types of particles. My guess is that some interesting radio
Speaker 2: propagation effect occurred near ice and also near the horizon
Speaker 2: that I don't fully understand. But we certainly explored several
Speaker 2: of those, and we haven't been able to find any
Speaker 2: of those yet either. Scientists, including Weasel, are now hoping
Speaker 2: that more advanced instruments might bring them closer to an
Speaker 2: answer to this decade long physics mystery. Whistle is now
Speaker 2: working with the Payload for Ultra High Energy Observation, a
Speaker 2: new balloon based detector that is larger and ten times
Speaker 2: more sensitive than ANITA. So anyway, so what we're getting
Speaker 2: from this is that nobody is denying that radio pulses happened,
Speaker 2: and nobody can figure out where they came from. They
Speaker 2: thought that maybe it's the neutrinos that come from space
Speaker 2: from some sort of an event. They passed through stars,
Speaker 2: they should pass through the Earth, that should be a
Speaker 2: straight shot. These came outward from Antarctica. They didn't go
Speaker 2: through Antarctica.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's something underneath. I really do.
Speaker 2: I personally think so as well.
Speaker 3: Because didn't she say yesterday that the tunnel systems between
Speaker 3: the lakes look intentional.
Speaker 2: The it's not the tunnels the caverns themselves, and they
Speaker 2: are connected, don't get me wrong, but they almost look
Speaker 2: like they were built to really be connected, yes, bored
Speaker 2: out exactly. And to say that that's because of hot
Speaker 2: water and things like that, Okay, I could understand that
Speaker 2: to a point. If it was making them go lower,
Speaker 2: like the hot water is melting the ice underneath, and
Speaker 2: it was doing this, it's making them upwards like very
Speaker 2: specific dome like caverns underneath the ice sheet and Antarctica
Speaker 2: that no one can explain what's happening there.
Speaker 3: Hmm. I mean, the evidence just seems to be piling
Speaker 3: up at least to say that there's something else there.
Speaker 3: What that is, who knows?
Speaker 2: And if you would like to experience what that is. Well,
Speaker 2: actually I'm jumping ahead of myself here. As we are
Speaker 2: also talking about the Antarctic Peace Treaty, right, it's also
Speaker 2: important to know about the Madrid Protocol. A lot of
Speaker 2: people have never heard of this. To be honest with you,
Speaker 2: I had never heard of it before I started doing
Speaker 2: this research for these two episodes here. So this is
Speaker 2: from the Secretariat of the Antarctic Treaty website. The Protocol
Speaker 2: on Environmental Protection to the Antarctic Treaty. The Protocol on
Speaker 2: Environmental Protection of the Antarctic Treaty was signed in Madrid
Speaker 2: on October fourth, nineteen ninety one, and entered into force
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety eight. It designated Antarctica as a natural
Speaker 2: reserve devoted to peace and science. That's from Article two
Speaker 2: of it. Article three of the Environmental Protocol sets forth
Speaker 2: basic principles apply applicable to human activities and Antarctica, and
Speaker 2: Article seven prohibits all activities relating to Antarctic mineral resource
Speaker 2: except for scientific research. The Protocol establishes in its schedule
Speaker 2: the procedure for the constitution and function of a permanent
Speaker 2: Court of Arbitration. It is something publicly reported that the
Speaker 2: Protocol expires in twenty forty eight. This is a misinterpretation
Speaker 2: and is not correct. Allegedly, neither the Protocol nor the
Speaker 2: Antarctic Treaty have a termination date for the first fifty
Speaker 2: years of the protocols entry into force in nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 2: It can only be modified by a unanimous agreement of
Speaker 2: all consultative parties to the Antarctic Treaty. After this point.
Speaker 2: From nineteen forty eight, any of the Antarctic Treaty consultative
Speaker 2: parties can call for a review conference into the Protocols operation,
Speaker 2: which is an Article twenty five point two. So I'm
Speaker 2: not going to spend too much time on this, but
Speaker 2: hear me out. Hear me out. They sign the Antarctic
Speaker 2: Treaty way back when, and then in nineteen ninety eight
Speaker 2: they agreed to a fifty year term where these are
Speaker 2: the agreed upon rules for Antarctica. Okay, cool. The world
Speaker 2: has shifted a bit since nineteen ninety eight to twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six, twenty twenty five, right now, right. I got
Speaker 2: a hard time believing that when twenty forty eight rolls
Speaker 2: around that they're gonna get all of the signers of
Speaker 2: the Anarctic Treaty to come together and say, you know what,
Speaker 2: you're right, Let's just keep things the way they are.
Speaker 2: We don't need to explore, we don't need to drill oil.
Speaker 2: We don't need to go for the uranium. We don't
Speaker 2: need to go for the goal. We're gonna leave that
Speaker 2: to be a scientific game, preserve essentially.
Speaker 3: Unless there is something down there that they don't want
Speaker 3: us to see, know about, or piss off.
Speaker 2: Keep in mind, now, the Space Force is a thing.
Speaker 2: They have a lot of UFO whistleblowers coming out. The
Speaker 2: government of the United States. Government is acknowledging the fact
Speaker 2: that UFOs are real, and there's more disclosure coming out
Speaker 2: every day.
Speaker 3: Did you watch Day After Tomorrow?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, man, that show if that happened when
Speaker 3: we so fucked.
Speaker 2: Ah, you mean the day there stood Still? Or you
Speaker 2: mean Day After Tomorrow with the big Hurricane of Ice.
Speaker 3: No, the one with uh Keanu Reeves. No, I've seen
Speaker 3: both of those.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, it's the one that just came out like two
Speaker 3: years ago. You know, it's a Day after Tomorrow.
Speaker 2: I thought the Day After Tomorrow was uh with Jake
Speaker 2: Jillenhall when the earth froze.
Speaker 3: Damn, Oh my god, hang on now, I've been thinking
Speaker 3: about the names with Chris Pratt. It's weird.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's weirdy have Tomorrow.
Speaker 3: War Tomorrow wart. Yeah, my brain sorry, y'all, it's late
Speaker 3: and my brain's like not working.
Speaker 2: And there's some sort of alien that's been thawing out
Speaker 2: in the ice.
Speaker 3: Ice, yeah, and it busts out and it's hive mind
Speaker 3: and they're crazy fast and crazy good at killing.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean when I saw that, I was like, of
Speaker 3: course you'd make it about you know, ice and then
Speaker 3: thawing out and then beating down there.
Speaker 2: That movie also killed me, So, like, these things are
Speaker 2: super sensitive to sound, So obviously Chris Pratt needs to
Speaker 2: bring a short barreled ar with no suppressor on it.
Speaker 2: Clearly that is the correct move. There's skin is also
Speaker 2: super thick, and we need like armor penetrating rounds and
Speaker 2: some high velocity rounds shortened barrel ar. Clearly the option.
Speaker 2: I'm like, and you were supposed to be some sort
Speaker 2: of a billy badass when you were in the service,
Speaker 2: and this is Yeah, I'm just saying, I'm.
Speaker 3: I like the law of the movie, though I did.
Speaker 2: I like the premise behind it. Some of the tactics
Speaker 2: that were used a stupid and then also they just
Speaker 2: dumping people dumping rounds in the stairwell of a building
Speaker 2: with no ear protection whatsoever, and everybody just unloads and
Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, rip to your ear drums and you're
Speaker 2: gonna try this ship.
Speaker 3: That they did, though, I'm like, yeah, they didn't prepare
Speaker 3: those people at all. Like, if you're going to be
Speaker 3: throwing bodies at this and trying to win a war,
Speaker 3: why wouldn't you prep these people or.
Speaker 2: Give them some training, even the level of training anything.
Speaker 3: They just were like, let's throw bodies at this machine
Speaker 3: of death over here. It's like, okay, some of it
Speaker 3: was really stupid. The premise behind it, though, I was like,
Speaker 3: what is it with you? You guys in the fucking ice? Man?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, as far as that goes, we have
Speaker 2: looked about we found microbes that exactly.
Speaker 3: And then we have this conversation. It's like, man, it's
Speaker 3: really not looking good for the home team.
Speaker 2: It's not at that really nice right. So then cut
Speaker 2: to the Madrid Protocol off of the Antarctic Peace Treaty. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're telling me that with all this going on now,
Speaker 2: that in twenty forty eight, whoever is leading our country
Speaker 2: in Russia and all these places are going to just
Speaker 2: come together and say all right, I know there's tons
Speaker 2: of oil. I know, there's tons of uranium, tons of gold.
Speaker 2: We're just gonna leave it where it's at. We're just
Speaker 2: gonna sidestep.
Speaker 3: They have it, has no have it. It doesn't say
Speaker 3: that it has a termination date.
Speaker 2: It doesn't. But twenty forty eight, they're gonna be able
Speaker 2: to come to the table and re sign it, but
Speaker 2: they will make changes.
Speaker 3: But the only way that it can be signed is
Speaker 3: unanimously agreement.
Speaker 2: Right, that's my point. So you're telling me that that's
Speaker 2: all going to agree to keep things the way they.
Speaker 3: Are, all twenty six parties adopt the protocol.
Speaker 2: I got a hard time believing that that's just going
Speaker 2: to go down that way.
Speaker 3: They adopted it in nineteen ninety one too. That's what
Speaker 3: it says, is that they all agreed in nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 3: What the hell happened in nineteen ninety one that they
Speaker 3: agreed upon.
Speaker 2: You know, the collapse of the Soviet Union or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but yeah, and then it was enforced in ninety eight.
Speaker 3: I see that.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing. It's this is a different world
Speaker 2: than it was in the nineteen nineties, and I have
Speaker 2: a real difficult time picturing that the world in twenty
Speaker 2: forty eight is going to just be a utopian area
Speaker 2: where everybody's going to be chill. I just don't see it.
Speaker 3: I will say that those of you that want to
Speaker 3: read the document, this is actually breaks it down really good.
Speaker 2: So I mean we could read the rest of it
Speaker 2: if you want.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, I just was simply saying like, it's
Speaker 3: it gives you the entire document, and it gives you
Speaker 3: all the different parts and how to break it down
Speaker 3: and read it.
Speaker 2: So oh yeah, no, man, those are hyperlinks. We are
Speaker 2: not drying.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, we're We're not going to go down that
Speaker 3: rabbit hole. But I was just kind of looking at like, hmmmm,
Speaker 3: all right, but if you want to, yeah, the good
Speaker 3: old Antarctica.
Speaker 2: If you want to visit Antarctica, you would have to
Speaker 2: go through the IAATO. All right. This is the organization
Speaker 2: that gives you all of the permits that you need
Speaker 2: to go to the island continent. And the thing is
Speaker 2: for everybody, even scientific researchers, have to go through this
Speaker 2: organization to get their permits Antarctica. And I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: read a little bit of their website here. Antarctica is
Speaker 2: the largest wilderness area on Earth unaffected by large scale
Speaker 2: human activities. As a unique pristine environment, it has been
Speaker 2: afforded special protection. It is also physically remote, inhospitable, unpredictable,
Speaker 2: and potentially dangerous. It really is. And again, if y'all
Speaker 2: want to see about how dangers, look at the story
Speaker 2: of Tom Kern and what he had to do to
Speaker 2: just survive that place three separate times. It's insane, badass
Speaker 2: all he is. All activities should therefore be planned and
Speaker 2: conducted with both environmental protection and safety of mind. For
Speaker 2: the record, To get your permit approved, you have to
Speaker 2: have every step of everything that you plan to do,
Speaker 2: and your whole gear list, and who's going and out,
Speaker 2: how long you plan on staying, and what type of
Speaker 2: area are you staying, what type of tint are you using?
Speaker 2: Like has to be laid out.
Speaker 3: I mean, no shit, it's freezing cold there. They don't
Speaker 3: want people to go there and die because then it
Speaker 3: gets bad pressed and then more people want to dig around.
Speaker 3: But you can't take a cruise ship, y'all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well that's the thing. Even to go on your
Speaker 2: cruise ship, you have to go through this. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: but the cruise liner, it's understood that you're gonna buy
Speaker 2: by certain rules. Even if you go to that resort
Speaker 2: quote unquote that's open for certain sections of the year,
Speaker 2: you're not leaving the resort, like you're not allowed to
Speaker 2: just like go explore Antarctica.
Speaker 3: You have to want to, like why would you want
Speaker 3: to try to go by yourself places and be like
Speaker 3: get a hope for the best.
Speaker 2: But see, that's a two part problem. Right on the
Speaker 2: one side, it's for your protection, sure, because you could
Speaker 2: step through the ice and fall into some underwater cavern,
Speaker 2: a lake, glac You have no idea what's there? Or two,
Speaker 2: how do they know you're not going to be throwing
Speaker 2: trash everywhere? And now this pristine, untouched human all the things.
Speaker 2: Now we got penguins eating shit or.
Speaker 3: You see the ice wall.
Speaker 2: Obviously it's about the ice wall. Clearly you find the hole.
Speaker 2: I'm very glad that you brought up the ice wall
Speaker 2: because there has been a group of flat earthers and
Speaker 2: a group of globe tarts that made their way to
Speaker 2: Antarctica to prove the idea of the ice wall and
Speaker 2: the twenty four hour Sun and your boy Jaron, who
Speaker 2: is supposed to come on this show eventually one of
Speaker 2: these days, we're gonna figure that out. He actually has
Speaker 2: shifted his narrative and he acknowledges that you know, what
Speaker 2: the Earth is in fact round? It simply must be. So,
Speaker 2: you know, we're gonna play this little clip, and this
Speaker 2: is from the damage report. Surprise flat Earthers, the world
Speaker 2: is round. Let's listen on this one together, and we'll
Speaker 2: hear from them what they discovered on this one. And
Speaker 2: I will give the disclaimer. This girl, it's a bit
Speaker 2: of a bitch, but she's doing it in a joking way,
Speaker 2: so like I'll take it. But just so we understand here,
Speaker 2: she definitely is throwing her bias hard at the expedition.
Speaker 2: But I also think it's pretty entertaining. So let's check
Speaker 2: it out together.
Speaker 6: Of all the conspiracies that have sort of pervaded human consciousness,
Speaker 6: wouldn't we agree, Other than the fake birds aren't real conspiracy,
Speaker 6: which is a beautiful troll, the flat earth conspiracy theory
Speaker 6: is perhaps the most perfect.
Speaker 2: You know, I can't see edge of Earth, therefore must
Speaker 2: be flat.
Speaker 6: It's just so so lizard brain, so simplistic, so beautiful,
Speaker 6: and in fact, between two and ten percent of Americans
Speaker 6: believe it to be true.
Speaker 4: Pause, Sometimes you are wrong in life. This is and
Speaker 4: I thought that there was no twenty four hours son.
Speaker 4: In fact, I was pretty sure of it. But I
Speaker 4: respect Will Duffy for being a stand up guy, at
Speaker 4: least in the way that he kept saying it was true.
Speaker 4: I kept saying it wasn't. She said, do you want
Speaker 4: to go, I'll take you and brought me here. And
Speaker 4: it's a fact. The sun does circle you in the south.
Speaker 4: It seems like the moon does circle here as well,
Speaker 4: so you start thinking about.
Speaker 2: That as well.
Speaker 4: It doesn't mean that a map is over, flat Earth
Speaker 4: is over. Maybe somebody's got the answer. I don't have
Speaker 4: that answer.
Speaker 6: And what you saw right there was one of these
Speaker 6: flat earthers coming to a really.
Speaker 2: Really tough realization that he is wrong.
Speaker 6: Because that is Jason Campanella or Jaron Campanella, who's been
Speaker 6: in multiple documentaries about the Earth being flat and runs
Speaker 6: of flat Earth YouTube channel channel jarrionism. Oh boy, and
Speaker 6: he's finding out that, no, the Earth is not flat.
Speaker 6: In fact, he was flown to the Antarctic for one
Speaker 6: thirty five thousand dollars flight by a round earther. In
Speaker 6: other words, someone who lives in reality in order to
Speaker 6: see whether the sun would ever set right in the Antarctic.
Speaker 6: It does not set. It's twenty four hours straight. It
Speaker 6: just goes around and around and around. So he was like, yeah, oops,
Speaker 6: I saw it, and I guess you could be wrong,
Speaker 6: and now I'm gonna pack it in. Of course, he's
Speaker 6: not gonna pack it in. He's gonna he's probably gonna
Speaker 6: he's gonna figure out some way to grift off of this.
Speaker 2: But that was amazing. He's like, the rounders are right.
Speaker 6: Of course, actual flat earthers who still believe they're calling bs,
Speaker 6: they think that Jaren actually was in front of a
Speaker 6: green screen flat Earth. Dave over on x says the
Speaker 6: final experiment green screen busted.
Speaker 2: Shout out to flatter Dave. The bet is still on, Dave.
Speaker 2: If you're out there listening, three bitcoins are your face
Speaker 2: tram stamped on me. If we could prove one of
Speaker 2: us wrong, let's continue, uh.
Speaker 6: Which I don't even know what this is an image of.
Speaker 2: But cool.
Speaker 6: Then here's someone else who is using Melty SpongeBob meme
Speaker 6: in a way that he.
Speaker 2: Thinks is good.
Speaker 6: You're trying to prove the world is round by displaying
Speaker 6: twenty four hour sunlight, but leave the on the chroma
Speaker 6: key that will cause live feed distortions to possibly ruin
Speaker 6: all the investment to go down.
Speaker 2: There, because your credibility is gone.
Speaker 6: It's like NASA relanding on the Moon and then having
Speaker 6: a chroma key malfunction on the live stream, and you're
Speaker 6: sitting here.
Speaker 2: Going, I don't see why that's a big deal.
Speaker 6: My God, like it again, guys, it's not about being
Speaker 6: proven wrong. It does not matter whether they are wrong.
Speaker 6: They will always find a way to continue to believe
Speaker 6: the lies. And bless bless this rounder. I'm calling him
Speaker 6: a rounder, the round Earth or who spent thirty five
Speaker 6: thousand dollars to send Jaren on a trip that he
Speaker 6: would never forget. And it opens with can we just
Speaker 6: play it again? It's just very funny to me, Let's
Speaker 6: play it again when he realizes that he was wrong.
Speaker 4: Sometimes you are wrong in life. And I thought that
Speaker 4: there was no twenty four hours son. In fact, I
Speaker 4: was pretty sure of it. But I respect Will Duffy
Speaker 4: for being a stand up guy, at least in the
Speaker 4: way that he kept saying it was true. I kept
Speaker 4: saying it wasn't He said, do you want to go,
Speaker 4: I'll take you and brought me here. And it's a
Speaker 4: fact the sun does circle you in the south.
Speaker 2: It seems all right. So again Jaren, who he is
Speaker 2: supposed to be coming on the cult of conspiracy one
Speaker 2: of these days, I am super excited about that, by
Speaker 2: the way, just going to throw it out. Oh no, no,
Speaker 2: I mean because a like he's actually been to the
Speaker 2: South Pole, which.
Speaker 3: Is yeah, I do want to ask a whole bunch
Speaker 3: of questions.
Speaker 2: Secondly, your boy Duffy thirty five thousand dollars to send
Speaker 2: three of them to the South Pole, and your boy
Speaker 2: Jaren's the only one that was like, well, I thought
Speaker 2: this was the case. And I mean you've seen the
Speaker 2: flat Earth model, have you not? And so if the
Speaker 2: sun is making its rotation on the plate like they say,
Speaker 2: it is no matter how you slice that, there's no
Speaker 2: way that the sun could be on Antarctica for twenty
Speaker 2: four hours they were shown this Jarin is the one
Speaker 2: that was like, Okay, I think this is the way
Speaker 2: it is. I was wrong. The other two started going
Speaker 2: through like this weird sense of denial and then jumping
Speaker 2: through a million different hoops to try to say that
Speaker 2: it's the sun reflecting off of the firmament and that's why,
Speaker 2: and it looks like and it's this, and it's this.
Speaker 2: Flat Earth. Day is the only one that said anything
Speaker 2: about a green scream, even though there was like five
Speaker 2: different camera angles that were being used and there was
Speaker 2: shadows that you could see. It was live streamed the
Speaker 2: whole twenty four hours like it. He basically was calling
Speaker 2: into question even the flat earthers that were on the
Speaker 2: expedition with him because they were saying that there was
Speaker 2: no green screen being used. So it's anyway. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: as far as the ice wall converse goes, no, nope,
Speaker 2: that's that's not a thing. It's just it's not so
Speaker 2: I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 3: A lot of us watch Game of Thrones.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, I mean I did too, I do. I
Speaker 2: do love Game of Thrones. But anyway, so now, good
Speaker 2: cult members, let's get back to the Antarctica conversation, and
Speaker 2: let's talk about how Raytheon was running the Giant Lab
Speaker 2: for America in Antarctica, because in and of itself, that's conspiratorialist. Fuck.
Speaker 2: Why is one of our biggest military industrial contract in
Speaker 2: military industrial contractors running wholeheartedly. The MCDUA or I think
Speaker 2: that's the name of it. M McDonough. I'm gonna look
Speaker 2: at here in a moment. Research labh makes no sense.
Speaker 2: Whenever you look into this, you'll find the Raytheon Polar
Speaker 2: Services Company. Raytheon Polar Services Company was a division of
Speaker 2: Raytheon now it's called RTX that provided logistics, operations, and
Speaker 2: staffing for the National Science Foundations operations in Antarctica and
Speaker 2: Antarctic waters. This it contrasts with the United States Our
Speaker 2: Antarctic Program expired March thirtieth, twenty twelve. We're going to
Speaker 2: get into why that is here in a bit, but
Speaker 2: let's talk about their operational role. The US Antarctic Program
Speaker 2: Participant Guide lists RPSC Raytheon's role in the Antarctica as
Speaker 2: following supporting science and operating research labs. So it's not
Speaker 2: like American scientists there. It was Raytheon scientists at these labs, procuring,
Speaker 2: arranging for transport, warehousing and issuing equipment and supplies, operating
Speaker 2: and maintaining stations, research vessels, and numerous field camps. Arranging
Speaker 2: medical clearance and travel of parties, Managing transportation of passengers,
Speaker 2: and cargo arranging annual resupply and fuel of McMurdo by
Speaker 2: Military Sealift Command contract ships. McMurdo that was the name
Speaker 2: of the base, excuse me, providing marine terminal operations complying
Speaker 2: with safety, health and environmental requirements. Ratheon Polar Services operates
Speaker 2: the Antarctic Fire Department as well. So real quick, can
Speaker 2: you name one aspect of a research lab that wasn't
Speaker 2: covered just now? Pretty much everything from the transportation, the
Speaker 2: supply of materials, the scientists themselves, the fire department, all
Speaker 2: of this was ran by Raytheon. So whenever you'll see
Speaker 2: certain people say Raytheon doesn't actually run McMurdo Bay, they
Speaker 2: ran every aspect of it. They may not have owned
Speaker 2: the base, but they were the entire manpower and body
Speaker 2: of it. So take that for what it is.
Speaker 3: That's pretty crazy, to be honest with you.
Speaker 2: So now let's talk about the criticism which leads to
Speaker 2: the first and to my knowledge, only confirmed murder to
Speaker 2: ever take place on Antarctica. Raitheon Polar Services Company has
Speaker 2: been criticized for failing to cooperate fully in New Zealand's
Speaker 2: investigation of Rodney death. Marx died in two thousand from
Speaker 2: methanol poisoning while working at the Audmundson Scott South Pole Station.
Speaker 2: New Zealand Police and the coroner, Richard mcgerla said Raytheon
Speaker 2: and the National Science Foundation failed to provide full and
Speaker 2: prompt information to the authorities. New Zealand Police believed there
Speaker 2: was a private US investigation into the death, which the
Speaker 2: US organizations refused to disclose. In two thousand and seven,
Speaker 2: two employees of Raytheon had been evacuated from the South
Speaker 2: Pole station after one broke the other's jaw in a
Speaker 2: quote unquote drunken Christmas punch up. So so yeah.
Speaker 3: The symptoms are headache, dizziness, nausea, nausea, vomiting, lack of coordination,
Speaker 3: confusion more severe will develop later, blurred vision, abdominal pain,
Speaker 3: blindness or death.
Speaker 2: And let's talk now about Rodney Marx and his symptoms.
Speaker 2: Sir Rodney mars He died the twelfth of May two thousand.
Speaker 2: He was an Australian astrophysicist who died from methanol poisoning
Speaker 2: working in Antarctica. So his career, you know, he had
Speaker 2: a very stoic career as far as an astrophysicist concerned
Speaker 2: cool cool going on here, It says I Munson. Scott
Speaker 2: Pole Station is run by the National Science Foundation, a
Speaker 2: United States government agency, although much work at the time
Speaker 2: was subcontracted to Raytheon's Polar Services company. So his death
Speaker 2: on May the eleventh, two thousand, Rodney Marks became unwell
Speaker 2: while walking between the remote observatory and the base. He
Speaker 2: became increasingly sick over the next thirty six hour period,
Speaker 2: three times refusing increasingly distressed to the station's doctor. Advice
Speaker 2: was sought by satellite, but Mars died on the twelfth
Speaker 2: of May two thousand, aged thirty two, with his condition undiagnosed.
Speaker 2: The whereabouts of the station, doctor Robert Thompson, are unknown.
Speaker 2: So even the doctor who said that, oh man, you're
Speaker 2: not looking good, maybe we should he's gone. No one
Speaker 2: knows what happened to him after this, allegedly doctor too
Speaker 2: or you know, he was never a doctor to begin with.
Speaker 2: He was a Raytheon employee, and he just kind of,
Speaker 2: you know, shuffle shuffled. The National Science Foundation issued a
Speaker 2: statement saying that Rodney Marx had quote apparently died of
Speaker 2: natural causes, but the specific cause of death had yet
Speaker 2: to be determined end quote. The exact cause of Marx's
Speaker 2: death could not be determined until his body was removed
Speaker 2: from Edmondson Scott Station and flown to the continent for
Speaker 2: autopsy or flown off the continent for autopsy. The case
Speaker 2: received media attention as the first South Pole murder, as
Speaker 2: suicide was considered the least likely cause of death. He
Speaker 2: was buried in Bellbreak Cemetery, Mount Dundane, Duneede, Victoria, Australia.
Speaker 2: Now let's talk about the investigation. Marx's body was held
Speaker 2: for nearly six months over winter before it could be
Speaker 2: flown to Church christ Church, New Zealand, the base for
Speaker 2: the American activities in Antarctica, for autopsy. Once in New Zealand,
Speaker 2: a post mortem established that Marx had died from methanol poisoning.
Speaker 2: Both the United States and Australia agreed to a Quarner's
Speaker 2: inquest being hailed in New Zealand. Jurisdiction issues in the
Speaker 2: Antarctic are complicated. Most American operations within Antarctica, including the
Speaker 2: South Pole Base, are within the Ross Dependency Territory claimed
Speaker 2: by New Zealand, from where supplies are dispatched the US
Speaker 2: government does not accept New Zealand's claim to territorial sovereignty
Speaker 2: or the application of New Zealand's law to the United
Speaker 2: States citizens operating in Antarctica from the operation Deep Freez's
Speaker 2: christ Church base. New Zealand has not questioned the use
Speaker 2: of the US marshals in the in relation to crimes
Speaker 2: involving only Americans in the Ross dependency. An investigation was
Speaker 2: undertaken by Senior Detective Grant walmart war mould YEP of
Speaker 2: the New Zealand Police and the direction of Richard McLaren
Speaker 2: of the christ Church Corner. A formal verdict has not
Speaker 2: or has yet to be entered. A two thousand and
Speaker 2: six series of coroners court hearings and statements to the
Speaker 2: media raised questions from both the police and the Corners
Speaker 2: of Mark's poisoning was intentional. The DSS Warmald said, in
Speaker 2: my view, it as most most likely Mars ingested methanol unknowingly.
Speaker 2: M methanol is not something that you're gonna think is liquor.
Speaker 3: It's you know, take a random shot of it, I
Speaker 3: guess it's liquid natural gas LNG.
Speaker 2: That's not something that you're gonna like accidentally drink. That's
Speaker 2: that's ridiculous to me. So, yeah, it would obviously be unknowingly.
Speaker 3: Or or is injected into his veins.
Speaker 2: There I have no there's no record of that being
Speaker 2: the case, but that could be. But if his stomach
Speaker 2: was pumped and they found that he clearly ingested, that's
Speaker 2: like drinking gasoline. Like it's there's there's no way you're
Speaker 2: gonna accidentally not know that this isn't liquor or something.
Speaker 2: But either way, Warmalt said it it was not credible
Speaker 2: to believe that he had deliberately drunk the methanol when
Speaker 2: he had read he had ready access to a large
Speaker 2: supply of alcohol, Marx had recently entered a new relationship,
Speaker 2: had nearly completed important academic work, and had no financial problems.
Speaker 2: He had promptly sought treatment for an illness that confused him,
Speaker 2: and there was no reason to suspect suicidal intent. Wormald
Speaker 2: indicated that Raytheon in the National Science Foundation had not
Speaker 2: been cooperative. I find that very interesting, Wormald stated, regarding
Speaker 2: the NSF conclusion that Mark's death was from natural causes,
Speaker 2: that's bullshit. We One of the results of the NSF
Speaker 2: internal investigation and to get in contact with the people
Speaker 2: who were there to ask them some questions. They weren't
Speaker 2: prepared to tell us who they were. They have advised
Speaker 2: that no report exists, and to be frank, I think
Speaker 2: there is more there. There must be, he said. I
Speaker 2: am not entirely satisfied at all relevant information or I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm not satisfied that all relevant information and reports have
Speaker 2: been disclosed to the New Zealand Police or to the corner.
Speaker 2: Having obtained details of the other forty nine people at
Speaker 2: the base at the time, Wormald told a newspaper, I
Speaker 2: suspect that there have been people who have thought twice
Speaker 2: about making contact with us on the basis of their
Speaker 2: future employment position. The US Department of Justice also failed
Speaker 2: to obtain answers from the two organizers or organizations which
Speaker 2: appear to have denied jurisdiction. In December of two thousand
Speaker 2: and six, the christ Course christ Church Coroner Jesus reconvened
Speaker 2: the investigation, the results of which were widely reported. The
Speaker 2: coroner's hearing in christ Church was then adjourned indefinitely, indefinitely indefinitely.
Speaker 2: Mark's father thanked the New Zealand Police, who he said
Speaker 2: faced an arduous task of dealing with people that quite
Speaker 2: obviously don't want to deal with them. In two thousand
Speaker 2: and seven, seven years after the deaths the death the
Speaker 2: case was again front page news in New Zealand when
Speaker 2: documents obtained under America's Freedom of Information Act suggest diplomatic
Speaker 2: heat was brought to bear on the New Zealand inquiry.
Speaker 2: In September of two thousand and eight, the written report,
Speaker 2: all resulting from the December six inquest was released. The
Speaker 2: corner could not find evidence to support theories of a
Speaker 2: prank gone awry, nor foul play, nor suicide. The cause
Speaker 2: of the fatal methanol poisoning has never been determined, and
Speaker 2: the Marx family has given up hope of learning what happened.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, this.
Speaker 3: Is that's a wild story. Especially, did not have any
Speaker 3: kind of closure to it.
Speaker 2: And why wouldn't Raytheon be like, hey, y'all, yeah, this
Speaker 2: happened to our site. Here's what happened, if nothing else,
Speaker 2: to clear their name of all of this shit. But again,
Speaker 2: in twenty twelve, allegedly Raytheon quit their their Antarctic ties
Speaker 2: just a few years after all this came to light,
Speaker 2: just looked real bad on them. But anyway, so now
Speaker 2: let's talk about the giant hole, the giant hole aka
Speaker 2: your mom in Antarctica, and let's learn about it more together,
Speaker 2: shall all night? I really have I have this all night?
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, just I mean, it's just one of
Speaker 2: those oldie but goody jokes. You know, it's just as timeless. Anyway,
Speaker 2: let's get into it here. This is from Live Science.
Speaker 2: Researchers have proposed many origins for a gravity anomaly in
Speaker 2: Wilkes Lake, East Antarctica, but the latest evidence suggests subglacial
Speaker 2: hole is an impact crater measuring three hundred and fifteen
Speaker 2: miles across.
Speaker 3: That's huge.
Speaker 2: That is massive, Like they said, it's the size of Ireland.
Speaker 2: So anyway. The Wilkes Lake Crater is a hole in
Speaker 2: the bedrock beneath East Antarctica's ice sheet, measuring three hundred
Speaker 2: and fifteen miles across. Researchers have been trying to explain
Speaker 2: its existence since the nineteen sixties, and the most recent
Speaker 2: evidence suggests it was born from a cataclysmic meteorite impact.
Speaker 2: Another one, another one, absolutely, the Mars Rock.
Speaker 3: It's Mars Rock. Maybe that's where they're getting the samples from.
Speaker 2: The crater was first detected as a huge dent in
Speaker 2: the Earth's gravitational field. A huge dentt in the Earth's
Speaker 2: gravitational field. But somehow it's from a media A huge
Speaker 2: dent like that's that's kind of a bit of a misnomber,
Speaker 2: isn't it? Like if the metior caused the hole, why
Speaker 2: is there gravity deforming around it? I don't know, I'm
Speaker 2: just saying away. Initial ground based seismic and gravity surveys
Speaker 2: already indicated that the crater was huge, around one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty miles across, but newer techniques revealed that it's
Speaker 2: likely more than double this size. According to the twenty
Speaker 2: eighteen study, the wilkes Land Crater sits around about one
Speaker 2: mile beneath the surface of Antarctica's ice sheet. The study
Speaker 2: showed the crater in more detail than ever before and
Speaker 2: examined its potential link with Southern Australia, which was connected
Speaker 2: to East Antarctica until around thirty five million years ago.
Speaker 2: While the origin of the crater remains uncertain, the results
Speaker 2: of the study suggests that the event that created the
Speaker 2: whole likely occurred before the continents separated. Wow, so pre
Speaker 2: Pangaea five million.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Researchers have proposed several explanations for the wilkes Land crater,
Speaker 2: including that it could be a volcanic structure, a sedimentary base,
Speaker 2: a deeply eroded valley, or a meteor impact crater, according
Speaker 2: to a twenty fifteen paper. For that paper, scientists use
Speaker 2: satellite remote sensing techniques to map the crater and determine
Speaker 2: its physical characteristics. In the middle of the hole in
Speaker 2: the Earth's gravitational field, known as a negative gravity anomaly,
Speaker 2: they found a positive gravity anomaly, with the ice sheet
Speaker 2: filling the gap around the central peak like a huge
Speaker 2: frosty doughnut.
Speaker 3: It's so crazy to me.
Speaker 2: That makes no sense. A giant hole the size of
Speaker 2: Ireland and they still have no idea what caused it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I figured, yeah, I mean maybe.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's a that's like the Bascoliss basilisk. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: Harry Potter how it moves to the walls except i e.
Speaker 3: Moving through Antarctica.
Speaker 2: I mean maybe, But I feel like if it was
Speaker 2: meteor they be able to skin it right, and especially
Speaker 2: if it was that large. I mean, I understand it
Speaker 2: would be kind of eroded by now or whatever. But
Speaker 2: they have told us so much in these articles we've
Speaker 2: read about how Antarctica is like a time capsule and ice.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it keeps everything, even down to micro organisms, so nothing.
Speaker 2: So they can't find the meteorite itself, not.
Speaker 3: One single shred of evidence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wild. The central peak is likely a structure known
Speaker 2: as a mass concentration or a mas con. According to
Speaker 2: the study, mas cons can occur within meteor impact structures
Speaker 2: due to the meteor crashing through Earth's crust and affecting
Speaker 2: the mantle beneath. Following the impact, the mantle may recoil
Speaker 2: and form a dense plug also like your mom, resulting
Speaker 2: in a positive gravity anomaly. The study authors wrote, the
Speaker 2: wilkes Land Crater is a mask and its mass con
Speaker 2: aren't perfectly circular and instead form a us. According to
Speaker 2: the twenty eighteen study, whose results support the conclusion that
Speaker 2: the crater was caused by a meteor impact, the northern
Speaker 2: side of the crater is fragmented, perhaps as a result
Speaker 2: of tectonic processes that ripped Australia and Antarctica apart. The
Speaker 2: author noted parts of the crater are clearly visible in
Speaker 2: southern Australia. They added, Wow, wow, let's see if the
Speaker 2: wilkes Land Crater is an impact crater, then it would
Speaker 2: be the greatest impact crater known on Earth in terms
Speaker 2: of its size. In twenty fifteen, a study researchers found
Speaker 2: that the crater's diameter matches the speed and size of
Speaker 2: space rocks that regularly crashed into Earth during its early
Speaker 2: history between four point one billion and three point eight
Speaker 2: billion years ago. Okay, but that's a wide gap. So
Speaker 2: we're talking somewhere between three billion, give or take four
Speaker 2: billion years ago and thirty five million years ago.
Speaker 3: No, no, it says billion, no, no.
Speaker 2: No, I understand that. But they're also saying that this
Speaker 2: impact likely happened before Pangaea, and they're suspecting thirty five
Speaker 2: million years ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's a huge gap.
Speaker 2: Like I wish I could give people a good size
Speaker 2: comparison to that, But that's insane. Thirty five million as
Speaker 2: compared to four billion.
Speaker 3: It just seems odd to me, especially the.
Speaker 2: U shape it does. Indeed, it absolutely does. So you know,
Speaker 2: from that article, we're gonna go over to the next
Speaker 2: one to talk about this. The Side Tech Daily mysterious
Speaker 2: polynia paullinia. Scientists finally explained huge hole in Antarctic sea ice.
Speaker 2: Hopefully they give us a little bit more clarification on this.
Speaker 2: This was published in twenty twenty four. A recent study
Speaker 2: explains the formation of a large Antarctic sea ice opening
Speaker 2: by detailing the oceanic and atmospheric interactions that caused it.
Speaker 2: Researchers have discovered the missing piece of the puzzle behind
Speaker 2: a rare opening in the sea ice around Antarctica, which
Speaker 2: was nearly twice the size of whales and occurred during
Speaker 2: the winters of twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3: May die, are we talking about the same one?
Speaker 2: I don't believe. So they're talking about a giant hole
Speaker 2: in the ice in the ocean.
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, so we have another hole that popped up.
Speaker 2: Around the same time. There were the radio pulses were happening,
Speaker 2: all right?
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: A study published on May one, the twenty twenty four
Speaker 2: in Science Advances reveals a key process that has eluded
Speaker 2: scientists as to how the opening called a pollinia was
Speaker 2: able to form and persist for several weeks. The team
Speaker 2: of researchers from the University of Southampton and the University
Speaker 2: of Gothenburg. In the University of California, San Diego, studied
Speaker 2: the mad Rise polynia the mod as in right by
Speaker 2: where the Nazis had their base setup, okay, named after
Speaker 2: the submerged mountain like features in the Wettell Sea over
Speaker 2: which it grows. They found the pollinia was brought on
Speaker 2: by complex interactions between the wind ocean current and the
Speaker 2: unique geography of the ocean floor, transporting heat and salt
Speaker 2: towards the surface. That quick, that quick, that's the hole
Speaker 2: that okay, you know.
Speaker 3: That was coupled with the stairs and the doorway and
Speaker 3: everything that they've seen, plus the quote unquote not pyramid, right,
Speaker 3: I've seen maybe mister Fuller had it, had the idea
Speaker 3: that we had the cloaking technology, what if something was
Speaker 3: coming out of those holes.
Speaker 2: Not to mention there's tons of UFO sidings in and
Speaker 2: around Antarctica, tons, especially in the last few years. There
Speaker 2: was that one where they saw all of these tic
Speaker 2: TACs flying over Antarctica.
Speaker 3: It would make a lot of sense, you know, if
Speaker 3: they decided to come up and they're doing their own exploration,
Speaker 3: or they're going back to space wherever they're from and they,
Speaker 3: you know, decided to make a little tribute you. It
Speaker 3: would make more sense that this happens.
Speaker 2: It really would to me. They're going to talk about
Speaker 2: how this was a naturally forming hole that opened up
Speaker 2: in the ice. I gotta be on honest with you,
Speaker 2: that's bullshit.
Speaker 3: There's no way coincidences because coincidences.
Speaker 2: We totally have those that happen all the time and crazy.
Speaker 2: So anyway, all right, I wish we would have had
Speaker 2: an article to talk about the stairs.
Speaker 3: Right, but yeah, the stairs. You can see in the
Speaker 3: video that we talked about that we've shown a couple
Speaker 3: times with both episodes, it does show a photo of it.
Speaker 3: It shows two different photos in the beginning when it's
Speaker 3: talking about the different things that the people have talked about.
Speaker 3: You can't actually look up the photos yourself. They get
Speaker 3: dispelled really quickly. People are just like, ah, that's fake,
Speaker 3: it's just a random thing. I will say that the
Speaker 3: one photo does in fact really look like human made
Speaker 3: stare not human, maide. Honestly, it looks like giants mediums.
Speaker 3: They're so made, yeah, purposely made. They're so huge.
Speaker 2: So that being said, the ones that I've seen as
Speaker 2: far as the stairs go. Sure some of them AI,
Speaker 2: I get that, I totally do. There are others, and
Speaker 2: not just one. There's more than a couple that have.
Speaker 2: Let's just say they popped up on the maps and
Speaker 2: then the next day we're gone. And those were verified
Speaker 2: images from not just Google Maps, but satellite images. And
Speaker 2: for that to happen, basically a thing pops up and
Speaker 2: then the next day the satellites note a photoshop that out.
Speaker 2: And keep in mind, you're not allowed to go and
Speaker 2: explore Antarctica on your own, because that would be crazy.
Speaker 3: Do you remember the common theory going around a few
Speaker 3: years ago that the Google Maps didn't have the full
Speaker 3: map of Antarctica. And I've looked at it before where
Speaker 3: you couldn't see the one side of it, like the
Speaker 3: darker side of it. Right now you can see the
Speaker 3: whole thing, and if you like zoom out on Google Map,
Speaker 3: you'll like you can rotate the Earth around and it'll
Speaker 3: show you like the different angles. They said it was
Speaker 3: because I read an article years ago that was talking
Speaker 3: about why they couldn't get the photos was because they
Speaker 3: didn't have the technolog to take the said photos around it,
Speaker 3: and that it was in dark places that were very
Speaker 3: difficult for them to get photos, but didn't. We just
Speaker 3: read that they went when early nineteen fifties or something
Speaker 3: like that, where they were taking seventy thousand photos the forty.
Speaker 2: Foe from a plane and somehow satellite can't do it
Speaker 2: when Antarctica experiences a twenty four hour sun and the helicopters.
Speaker 3: That were all there. So you're saying that you couldn't
Speaker 3: take photos, But because enough people bitched about it, like
Speaker 3: it was like the biggest thing that people can constantly said, well,
Speaker 3: why can't we see this part of Antarctica? Why can't
Speaker 3: we see this part? What are you hiding down there?
Speaker 3: Suddenly out of nowhere? Then you just have the whole picture, right,
Speaker 3: and then that ties in with the stairs and ties
Speaker 3: in with the holes, and it ties in with all
Speaker 3: the other pictures that people have zoomed in and seen things,
Speaker 3: and they're like, that just doesn't make sense logically, and
Speaker 3: they're like, but we can't explore it though. That's the thing.
Speaker 3: So many of the comments have been made in the
Speaker 3: articles that there's vast amounts of Antarctica that we can't
Speaker 3: explore right now, that they can't it's just they can't
Speaker 3: even get to it, so.
Speaker 2: Kind of hard time believing that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, I mean, we read how many articles in
Speaker 3: the research it's said that there are so many places
Speaker 3: where they couldn't get to, that there's large plots of
Speaker 3: land that they've never even been to, and that some
Speaker 3: of the teams take weeks and weeks and weeks to
Speaker 3: even reach a place right for a certain amount of time.
Speaker 3: They have to hike in with all this gear though.
Speaker 3: That's what's some of the things that don't make sense
Speaker 3: to me, is some of the locations that they go to.
Speaker 3: They're hiking in with all of this gear, setting up
Speaker 3: these temporary places, taking all of these samples and all
Speaker 3: this stuff, and then having to hike back out in
Speaker 3: hopes that they don't fall in the cracks so they
Speaker 3: don't have the shifts and all of these things in
Speaker 3: the weather. But you're saying that you can't explore a
Speaker 3: large parts of Antarctica as well.
Speaker 2: Tom Crane was able to do that and explore Antarctica
Speaker 2: by dog sled dog set. Yeah, and they're saying that
Speaker 2: right now in twenty twenty five, we don't have the technology. No,
Speaker 2: we don't have the technology cruise out here, and I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: that's that's completely bullshit.
Speaker 3: So we don't have the technology to look for it.
Speaker 3: We all know that they don't want to dig for
Speaker 3: anything or do anything for the least tell forty eight.
Speaker 3: So it just doesn't add up. All the different things
Speaker 3: don't add up personally for me.
Speaker 2: It doesn't whatsoever.
Speaker 3: What there's even more stuff to cover, and all the
Speaker 3: different things we could we could probably just do episode
Speaker 3: after after episode.
Speaker 2: Wow, we really could.
Speaker 3: Words are hard tonight.
Speaker 2: We really could. And so we are going to wrap
Speaker 2: this episode on this article and this is from the
Speaker 2: Antarctica Cruises dot com. If anybody wants to go there,
Speaker 2: this is I love it. This is a thing. This
Speaker 2: is the thing that you can do. Antarctica's greatest mysteries
Speaker 2: and hidden secrets revealed. So we're just gonna go over
Speaker 2: a couple of them. We have already talked about Nazi
Speaker 2: Germany's secret Antarctica base, Antarctica UFO sightings. Hey, you know,
Speaker 2: let's just jump ahead to that one and go from there.
Speaker 2: Antarctica UFO sidings, Alien hideaways and pyramids under Antarctica. Besides
Speaker 2: the wacky notion that Nazis had obtained extraressial technology to
Speaker 2: fly UFOs out of their underground base in Antarctica. Oh.
Speaker 2: Alien rumors continue to periodically swirl around the bottom of
Speaker 2: the world, numerous satellite photographs showing utterly unremarkable features of
Speaker 2: the White Continent, from ice cracks to none attacks, which
Speaker 2: are rock peaks rising out of surrounding ice. None attacks,
Speaker 2: that's a new word, I just learned. To existing research
Speaker 2: basings and supply convoys have provoked frenzy talk of UFO
Speaker 2: crash sites and ice hidden alien cities. And we have
Speaker 2: a whole article dedicated to debunking the supposed pyramids discovered
Speaker 2: in Antarctica, which are simply natural pyramid mountains shaped by
Speaker 2: glacial and freestyle processes. Again, I like how.
Speaker 3: They went out of their way to write an entire
Speaker 3: article to dissuade you and to make you feel like
Speaker 3: you're crazy. And hey, if you do want to go
Speaker 3: in this, you're not going to see any of these things.
Speaker 3: And don't worry. You know this doesn't happen.
Speaker 2: Right, And again, the glacial shearing of a mountain and
Speaker 2: the thawing and all that.
Speaker 3: That is a real thing. That is real, is real
Speaker 3: scientific thing. But to have all four sides. I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: it looks like a pyramid. Now, I understand natural formations.
Speaker 3: I've done lots and lots of classes on them. Right,
Speaker 3: I will say it definitely could happen, right, But yeah,
Speaker 3: it would make more sense to me because of how
Speaker 3: strategic the pyramids are placed all around the world, that
Speaker 3: there would be one there, at least from my opinion.
Speaker 2: And especially if you also take into account all the
Speaker 2: other crazy things that are going on in Antarctica, right,
Speaker 2: and the possability of what's underneath, and the fact that
Speaker 2: there's a crazy time capsule in the fact that there's
Speaker 2: all these UFO sightings and all these things. It's I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that there's a zero percent chance. I'm saying
Speaker 2: it's fascinating.
Speaker 3: It is. The micro organisms get me though, Yeah, that
Speaker 3: really gets me. Some of the stuff that they're fund
Speaker 3: that they've just found in the one lake. Let's re
Speaker 3: emphasize that one lake out of over four hundred, and
Speaker 3: that's the only one that's it, that's the only one
Speaker 3: that they've actually found stuff in because it's the only
Speaker 3: one they've been able to successfully get all the way
Speaker 3: down into. Right, So we don't even know what the
Speaker 3: hell is in the other.
Speaker 2: Lakes at all, or most of the continent for that matter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're just kind of guessing at this point. We're
Speaker 3: just throwing shit at it.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's wild, all right. So well, let's see the
Speaker 2: Bouvett Island lifeboat set almost midway between Quinn Maudland, coast
Speaker 2: of Antarctica and the tip of South Africa. Bouvet Island
Speaker 2: an uninhabited Norwegian dependency. Somehow Norway got a claim on that,
Speaker 2: but all right, is the most remote island on Earth.
Speaker 2: It's a volcanic landform, mostly swaddled in glacial ice, and
Speaker 2: besides its sheer isolation, iciness and the roughness of the
Speaker 2: surrounding Southern Ocean seas, the island's steep sea cliffs make
Speaker 2: it tough to access. Indeed, in nineteen sixty four, the
Speaker 2: British Royal Navy HMS Protector visited Bouvet Island and helicopters
Speaker 2: ferried a survey team under the charge of Lieutenant Commander
Speaker 2: Alan Crawford Ashore. This was on the heels of a
Speaker 2: volcanic eruption on the island. Sometime in the mid to
Speaker 2: late nineteen fifties, that created a new low bench of
Speaker 2: land named the does your people you tell me what
Speaker 2: that is? Nairote Nairoisa, I.
Speaker 3: Have no idea.
Speaker 2: I don't know that. On the northwestern coast, exploring that word,
Speaker 2: we're gonna call it nie Yeah. Nah, the survey team
Speaker 2: found a seal piled lagoon and partly water logged within
Speaker 2: it a whaler or ship's lifeboat, while a pair of oars,
Speaker 2: a forty four gallon barrel, and a copper buoyancy tank
Speaker 2: were found along the rocky shores of the lagoon. The
Speaker 2: team could find no human remains or other evidence of
Speaker 2: humans occupying in the vicinity or occupation in the vicinity. Okay,
Speaker 2: well that's very interesting.
Speaker 3: That's because they got sacrificed to the blood fall clearly.
Speaker 2: Clearly. We already talked about the wilks Land gravity anomaly,
Speaker 2: which that's still crazy that this crater allegedly hit Antarctica allegedly,
Speaker 2: and now as a result of that, we have this
Speaker 2: weird dip in the Earth's gravitational pull around it allegedly.
Speaker 2: I out loud, that makes no fucking sense.
Speaker 3: I wish I had more of a physics background. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna have to learn it I guess at this point
Speaker 3: here comes YouTube con Academy FA.
Speaker 2: Yeah, buddy, all right, now let's go into the Falkland
Speaker 2: Islands wolf. This is interesting. In the late sixteen hundreds,
Speaker 2: the first Europeans to land on the Falkland Islands, set
Speaker 2: some three hundred miles off the eastern Patagonian coast of
Speaker 2: South America along the cusp of the sub Antarctic zone,
Speaker 2: made their earliest records observations that the archipelago's native canide,
Speaker 2: or the so called Falkland Island's wolf or wara, this
Speaker 2: large wolf like fox, as Charles Darwin described it. Yeah
Speaker 2: that Charles Darwin was the only known native terrestrial mammal
Speaker 2: in the Falklands, and it didn't have all that long
Speaker 2: for the world. Hunted for its fur and persecuted by
Speaker 2: sheep herders, the wara went extinct by eighteen seventy six.
Speaker 2: How this doom beast made it to the remote Falkland
Speaker 2: Islands in the first place was long debated, as no
Speaker 2: other island group of comparable distance from a continental coast
Speaker 2: is known to have its own indigenous canide. In twenty thirteen,
Speaker 2: a study utilizing DNA analysis suggested the Wara split from
Speaker 2: a mainland ancestor not going to try to pronounce that Latin.
Speaker 2: Quite recently in the geological scheme of things, perhaps only
Speaker 2: sixteen thousand years ago, which coincided with the last glacial
Speaker 2: maximum of the pleistol Pliosa scene Pliostacene. Sure, at this
Speaker 2: time of lowered sea level, Argentina's coastal plain dramatically expanded,
Speaker 2: and the Falkland Islands covered significantly more water above or
Speaker 2: above water area. Evidence suggested the archipelago then was only
Speaker 2: separated from the mainland by a narrowing, shallow strait, which
Speaker 2: quite likely would have frozen over with sea ice. So
Speaker 2: perhaps it was by such an ice bridge that the
Speaker 2: ancestors of the Falkland island wolf Tit trotted their way
Speaker 2: across the island. Okay, that's interesting anyway, all right, So
Speaker 2: now the Antarctica mystery Hole. In mid nineteen seventies, after
Speaker 2: the launch of the very first satellite, the first mystery
Speaker 2: hole in the winter sea ice of Antarctica's Wettle Sea
Speaker 2: was documented, a massive New Zealand sized void of open
Speaker 2: sea when one would think ice cover would be the
Speaker 2: thickest and most continued The mystery hole in antarticle reappeared
Speaker 2: in the mid to late twenty tens, and with a
Speaker 2: thirteen thousand square mile gap opening in August twenty sixteen
Speaker 2: and a nineteen thousand square mile one appearing in September
Speaker 2: and October of twenty seventeen. Another mystery hole opened up
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen two. Really, what is causing these holes
Speaker 2: to open up? I guess they're going home where they're
Speaker 2: sending shit home? Maybe keep on home. Let's see, we
Speaker 2: talked about the perie Reese map all already. It's interesting,
Speaker 2: but then whenever you look at it as compared to
Speaker 2: the information that he had at his time, it's interesting,
Speaker 2: but it's not something like, really hang your hat on
Speaker 2: uh Lake Volstock, monster, octopus.
Speaker 3: We could always save these and do the miss and
Speaker 3: and all of that, and the octopuses and all the
Speaker 3: random crazy stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, you're trying to make a third episode out
Speaker 2: of this.
Speaker 3: I might because I really want to talk about the lore,
Speaker 3: about the miss and stuff. I was just looking at
Speaker 3: the some of the stuff. I was like, I feel
Speaker 3: like there's so much that we can come back to
Speaker 3: you and how all the different conspiracies actually tie back
Speaker 3: to Antarctica and talk about why they do.
Speaker 2: Good cult members, tell us what you think about as
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