1 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:18,719 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely Can't Be Serious podcast, 2 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,800 discussing and debating the iconic and the forgotten of eighties 3 00:00:22,839 --> 00:00:26,440 and nineties pop culture with your co hosts James D. 4 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:28,879 Graves and Jason Colvin. 5 00:00:30,519 --> 00:00:33,359 Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome back for part two of the Bad 6 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,200 Versus Thriller Debate. Here is a quick recap of last 7 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:47,000 week's episode. 8 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 3: I don't think we can follow that. 9 00:00:51,039 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 2: We're here to do our podcast first episode. I'm super excited. 10 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 3: Me too, Me too, Hey dude, I'm awesome. How I'm 11 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,000 doing well? So today we're going to talk about it. 12 00:01:00,159 --> 00:01:04,439 Compare Michael Jackson's Thriller album versus Michael Jackson's Bad album. 13 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,959 That is actually a better album. 14 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: There is no way that you can think that Bad 15 00:01:09,439 --> 00:01:10,319 is better than Thriller. 16 00:01:11,879 --> 00:01:14,879 Speaker 3: With lines like the funk of forty Years, how can 17 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:20,480 You Kill Rock? It was very nearly not Thriller. It 18 00:01:20,519 --> 00:01:23,319 was almost called Starlight. 19 00:01:23,599 --> 00:01:25,879 Speaker 2: I mean, it changed music history. 20 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 3: It was a pop culture nuclear bomb. 21 00:01:30,519 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 2: And it rocks. I mean, there's no question about it. 22 00:01:33,159 --> 00:01:34,560 This is a rock song. 23 00:01:36,719 --> 00:01:41,879 Speaker 3: The dog Gone Girl is Mine? Yeah, the dog on 24 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:42,640 Girl is Mine. 25 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 2: Dude, that's the best part of the. 26 00:01:45,879 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. 27 00:01:46,799 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 2: Okay, so you've got the video, you've got Playboy Model, well, right, yes, 28 00:01:54,719 --> 00:01:55,760 thank you, beautiful. 29 00:01:55,799 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 3: I didn't know she wasn't Playboy though. 30 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, it's Google's arch, no kidding. You've defined 31 00:02:02,959 --> 00:02:03,959 the eighties. 32 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,959 Speaker 3: In four songs, that's right, in four songs. If that's 33 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,280 all you know about that, you've got a pretty good handle. Yeah, 34 00:02:10,319 --> 00:02:14,680 and sounds good, sounds great, and then you get the Chipbucks. 35 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:17,759 The only thing I remember is Michael Jackson winning in 36 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:18,879 our wrestling contest. 37 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,039 Speaker 4: You know, those were good songs. 38 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:29,319 Speaker 2: I like those songs a lot, but especially I like 39 00:02:30,439 --> 00:02:31,759 the new songs. 40 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:36,879 Speaker 3: Much anticipated, right, so maybe the most anticipated album of 41 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:37,360 all time? 42 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 4: Yeah? 43 00:02:40,319 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 3: I mean is that fair theoretically? 44 00:02:42,159 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 4: Could? 45 00:02:42,599 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 2: Yeah? 46 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,159 Speaker 3: I mean after Thriller? What I mean? What comes after Thriller? 47 00:02:46,599 --> 00:02:47,800 The whole world wants to know? 48 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 4: Right, right? 49 00:02:48,319 --> 00:02:48,879 Speaker 1: What is it? 50 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:49,319 Speaker 4: Right? 51 00:02:49,439 --> 00:02:49,719 Speaker 5: Okay? 52 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:51,759 Speaker 2: It's kind of like what comes after Empire Strike back? 53 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,639 Well return, and that's what this. 54 00:02:55,759 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 3: Is, well sort of you say, Star Wars and Empire 55 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,039 Strikes then we went. 56 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 2: Off the wall is star Wars, thrillers and bad. 57 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:09,479 Speaker 4: As we turn. 58 00:03:10,039 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 3: We'll get into this a little bit, okay, But anyway, 59 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,280 So the first single released I still haven't got a 60 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,280 good answer on this. The first single released from Bad 61 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:28,080 Yeah is I Just Can't Stop Loving You, which is 62 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,280 a great song, number one hit. 63 00:03:31,719 --> 00:03:35,879 Speaker 2: No video, Yeah, well there is a video. It was 64 00:03:35,879 --> 00:03:40,680 produced by Jefferson uh Starship and it's called Sarah because 65 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:41,439 it's the same song. 66 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,039 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Okay, the same song. Well that's a 67 00:03:46,039 --> 00:03:47,759 great song too, another number one hit. 68 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:48,159 Speaker 4: Right. 69 00:03:48,199 --> 00:03:50,919 Speaker 2: Well, it's really easy. Hey, the video has already been released. 70 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,360 We just changed the lyrics to this song and we 71 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:54,759 can just throw it on top. 72 00:03:54,919 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 3: Okay, all right, so let's go through. We want to 73 00:03:58,840 --> 00:03:59,719 go track by track through this. 74 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 2: Let's go for it, tract by track all right. So 75 00:04:01,879 --> 00:04:05,680 the first one, the first track on the album is bad. 76 00:04:15,599 --> 00:04:15,879 Speaker 4: Yeah. 77 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. So the title track moves from midway through the 78 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,399 album to top of the album. Yes, okay, what. 79 00:04:22,319 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 3: Do you think. 80 00:04:23,959 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 2: It's a great song. 81 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 3: It's pop gold. 82 00:04:26,399 --> 00:04:29,759 Speaker 2: It is it's it is pop gold. It is not 83 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,439 a paradigm shift. It is the it what Okay? Okay, 84 00:04:33,439 --> 00:04:35,319 So here's what here's what I thought we already getting 85 00:04:35,319 --> 00:04:37,720 into this, yes, because this is what this is about, 86 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,000 right okay, Okay, I mean, do you have bad things 87 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,800 to say about any of the songs of a thrilling No, okay, 88 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:50,839 then let's keep it okay. So okay, So I you 89 00:04:50,959 --> 00:04:55,439 told me something really surprising and interesting about the song Bad, 90 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,720 and I had no idea. This is fantastic stuff. 91 00:04:58,720 --> 00:04:59,519 Speaker 5: Go ahead, okay. 92 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,439 Speaker 3: So this is what I read that Quincy Jones actually 93 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:08,120 got Prince and Michael Jackson together, and Bad was originally 94 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,680 intended to be a duet, sort of a back and 95 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,839 forth you're but is mine right? 96 00:05:14,759 --> 00:05:14,879 Speaker 5: Right? 97 00:05:15,399 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 2: That it becomes more uncomfortable like that, right. 98 00:05:18,759 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 3: Go ahead, But it was supposed to be this sort 99 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,519 of I'm bad and you're not. Well, I'm bad and 100 00:05:24,519 --> 00:05:26,800 you're not. And it's of this back and forth between 101 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,600 Prince and Michael Jackson, and so Quince Jones got him 102 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,839 at the table together. They sort of sat sort of 103 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,759 cross armed and skeptical of each other, is what It's 104 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,519 what he was talking about, because they were both so 105 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,800 intensely competitive against each other. So you had Thriller in 106 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,360 eighty two, eighty three, eighty four, Prince had Purple Rain, 107 00:05:48,399 --> 00:05:52,920 and Purple Rain is a fantastic album. And so I mean, 108 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:54,680 you got two guys at the top of their game, 109 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,720 and Prince listened to the song Bad, and after listening 110 00:05:58,759 --> 00:06:01,639 to it, he said, he said, this is a hit. 111 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,279 He goes, this is a hit without me. You don't 112 00:06:05,319 --> 00:06:09,000 need me for this, and that's why Bad is not 113 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:09,600 a do it. 114 00:06:09,959 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 2: And so now I'm gonna listen to Bad and think, Okay, 115 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,079 this is where Prince part Prince's part would be. Yeah, 116 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:20,560 it's good stuff. Yeah, but it is. It's an extended 117 00:06:21,079 --> 00:06:26,680 dance version of beat It. It is. Bad is return 118 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:31,120 of the Jedi. We've we've we've done Empire, and Michael 119 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,120 Jackson's like, okay, we got Empire. Let's just go back 120 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,879 and let's take that and make it. Okay, let's add 121 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:36,240 on to it. 122 00:06:36,399 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 3: Let's know, let's keep no, we'll we'll well, we'll put 123 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,079 the we'll put them on the scales. Yeah, once we're done, 124 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,240 and we'll keep going. All right, all right, So Bad, 125 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,680 we've established number one hit, hot, one hundred, awesome video, 126 00:06:48,519 --> 00:06:51,839 cool in the subway system. You've got the whole You 127 00:06:51,879 --> 00:06:54,680 ain't bad, you ain't nothing right right, get the Wesley snipes. 128 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:55,920 It's kind of stance off thing. 129 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,519 Speaker 2: And uh, just for the for our listening audience, my 130 00:07:01,959 --> 00:07:04,680 friend just did a dance with his hands right then, dance. 131 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 3: You have to have to dance. 132 00:07:09,199 --> 00:07:09,399 Speaker 1: Right. 133 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,079 Speaker 3: And then Wesley Snips decides I'm not gonna beat up 134 00:07:14,079 --> 00:07:17,519 Michael Jackson because he dances so cool. 135 00:07:17,759 --> 00:07:28,879 Speaker 4: So that's the way it goes down, right, Right. 136 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 3: It's got a life of its own. It didn't shift 137 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,720 the paradigm because he had already done that, but it 138 00:07:34,839 --> 00:07:38,759 had a major cultural impact pop culture. 139 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,079 Speaker 2: Okay, keep going. 140 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 3: I mean if I just say, if I walk into 141 00:07:43,639 --> 00:07:47,240 somebody on the street and I say I'm bad, they're 142 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:51,240 gonna know what I'm talking about. Yeah, And you also 143 00:07:51,399 --> 00:07:54,399 get a sidebar, a little sidebar. You get the weird 144 00:07:54,439 --> 00:07:56,759 al fat video from this which. 145 00:07:56,519 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 4: Is yo, home boy, Well you've been looking fight you. 146 00:08:02,319 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, we ain't seen you around Burger World lately, so 147 00:08:04,879 --> 00:08:07,120 where you've been? Huh, genius. 148 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:07,759 Speaker 2: It's better. 149 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 3: It's better, I mean better than bad or better than heat. 150 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,879 Speaker 2: Better than bad. No, it's better than bad because the 151 00:08:13,959 --> 00:08:17,399 video is better than bad because he expands and becomes fat, 152 00:08:17,439 --> 00:08:18,279 and it's amazing. 153 00:08:18,639 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 3: It's it's gold in itself. Yeah, it is golden. And 154 00:08:23,079 --> 00:08:25,639 the same guy who's rollers skating instead of pulling himself 155 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,600 up by his own collar, is skating like a three 156 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:33,279 year old, right, like barely barely skating and he pulls 157 00:08:33,279 --> 00:08:36,039 off the vent that blows the walk the air at 158 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:37,519 him and he's got a pin wheel and you have 159 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:38,960 the chicken falls out of his jacket. 160 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:39,639 Speaker 4: Yeah. 161 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 3: Anyway, so one parody, one weird ol parody per album. 162 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 2: Right, both based both gold, both based on two he 163 00:08:47,159 --> 00:08:47,799 didn't fat? 164 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 3: Interesting? 165 00:08:48,919 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 2: Interesting? Did you just make that connection? 166 00:08:51,399 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 3: I guess so. All right, so bad right out of 167 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,960 the gate, number one hit, awesome video, pop gold. 168 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 2: Right, and it is. I will say this, it pulls 169 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,799 pop back in like the pop albums of the time. 170 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,559 You've got George Michael and that's about it. The hair 171 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:10,679 bands were ruling the day. 172 00:09:10,759 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 3: Hair bands were ruling the day, and. 173 00:09:11,919 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 2: I think that Bad probably gave those pop listeners something 174 00:09:14,759 --> 00:09:15,759 to attached to. 175 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 3: It's probably fair. 176 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:18,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay. 177 00:09:19,399 --> 00:09:23,519 Speaker 3: Next song on the album, which is also the second single, 178 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,639 no third single, excuse me. Yeah, so I just get up. 179 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,039 I'm going to use the first single. Bad's the second single, 180 00:09:29,159 --> 00:09:32,679 third single, second track listing, the Way you make Me 181 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:42,399 Feel You're knocked me not not right, number one hit, 182 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:46,759 pop gold, another. 183 00:09:46,519 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 2: Video, and then there's the video. 184 00:09:48,879 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 3: It gets a little grabby. 185 00:09:50,799 --> 00:09:55,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I I don't know about you, but I 186 00:09:55,960 --> 00:10:02,039 can very vividly remember like the point that he starts 187 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:07,679 doing those yells that iowa, what the heck? What is 188 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,519 is this? Like is weird? How going to pop out 189 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:11,440 here in just a second? What is he doing? And 190 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,559 it didn't stop, like it was just you know, all 191 00:10:13,639 --> 00:10:16,720 his and it wasn't musical, it wasn't I was just 192 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,039 I was weird, this is really bizarre. Why is he 193 00:10:20,159 --> 00:10:21,279 doing this? 194 00:10:21,279 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 3: This is the first time I watched Michael Jackson video 195 00:10:23,519 --> 00:10:27,840 where I thought, what the crevi is it? Let's get 196 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:28,440 this out of here. 197 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we agree there, yes, the primal yells should have. 198 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,639 Speaker 3: None, and I think, what would it get smashing on 199 00:10:34,759 --> 00:10:36,279 the windshield or something there. 200 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's this tough guy act. 201 00:10:38,279 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 3: But it just doesn't and it's all out of place, 202 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,559 and it's humping the ground and it's remember the shum shoom, 203 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,519 shum shoom. They're all humping the ground. But the song 204 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,519 it's awkward. It is awkward, and it's very grabby. 205 00:10:50,879 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that kind of killed the song for me too. 206 00:10:53,759 --> 00:10:55,840 I was just like I couldn't hear the song without 207 00:10:55,879 --> 00:10:57,879 thinking about him doing those weird yells anymore. 208 00:10:58,039 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 3: Well, I understand what you're saying. But the song is 209 00:11:01,279 --> 00:11:04,480 still pop gold. Okay, all right, number one hit right, 210 00:11:04,519 --> 00:11:07,000 pop goold number one okay do. Let's take a second 211 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:08,600 and do a shout out to some of our friends 212 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:09,639 in the podcast community. 213 00:11:09,759 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 2: Absolutely, podcasters are so supportive of us, and we have 214 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,919 podcasts out there that we love and love to support. Today, 215 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,519 let's talk about Jet Thomason, who does the intro for 216 00:11:19,639 --> 00:11:20,120 our show. 217 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, Hello, everybody, Hello, everybody, the best voice in our show. 218 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,279 Speaker 2: Absolutely, we give you great thanks for giving us that intro. 219 00:11:28,399 --> 00:11:32,480 Jet and Jet has a podcast with his wife Chelsea 220 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:38,480 called Limos and Roses, a Bachelor Verse podcast that recaps 221 00:11:38,519 --> 00:11:41,600 the show. That show is just coming back on again, 222 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,720 so they're about to start up again. If you are 223 00:11:43,759 --> 00:11:46,039 a Bachelor fan, you need to be listening to that show. 224 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 3: Thank you, Jed and Chelsea. We sure appreciate you, guys. 225 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 5: Next song, speed Speaking. 226 00:12:01,519 --> 00:12:03,519 Speaker 2: It's not a skipper, it's not a skipper. 227 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 3: It's not a skipper. 228 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 2: But it had already been done as what speed racer. Okay, 229 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:14,440 speed racer, I wanted maybe I can do this, Maybe 230 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,240 I can do this. Debo had put out a song 231 00:12:16,279 --> 00:12:21,120 called speed Racer earlier and if you listen to speed 232 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,240 Racer and then this is the This is the one 233 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,200 that I thought of immediately upon re listening to speed 234 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:44,960 Demon was Bob Seeger's song from Beverly Hills cop to Shakedown. Yes, 235 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,039 they're the it's the same song. It's it's like and 236 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,360 those songs both came out before Bad did I. Once again, 237 00:12:51,399 --> 00:12:54,519 I'm like, Michael Jackson is doing that Chipmunk thing where 238 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,879 he's like, hey, this is popular, now I'll just borrow 239 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:02,039 from that, and so he's stole this speed racer concept 240 00:13:02,159 --> 00:13:05,039 from Bevo and pumped it up up a bit with 241 00:13:05,159 --> 00:13:07,799 the style of music from Shakedown, and then you get 242 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,639 speed Okay. Have you seen the video for that, by 243 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:15,200 the way, Yes, I did not remember it clearly, but 244 00:13:15,279 --> 00:13:17,039 it was. It's the one where like the people with 245 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:34,799 the weird heads spot Michael Jackson on a production setmy 246 00:13:35,639 --> 00:13:41,159 man the money. I will say this, I will not 247 00:13:41,399 --> 00:13:45,000 ever ever agree that Bad is a better album, but 248 00:13:45,039 --> 00:13:47,559 they took it up a notch on their videos. Yeah, 249 00:13:47,639 --> 00:13:48,440 definitely absolutely. 250 00:13:48,759 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 3: Okay, all right, so speed Demon, he wrote after getting 251 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,480 a speed ticket on the way to the album, quinc 252 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,720 Jones said, watch best song about it, So that's what 253 00:13:58,759 --> 00:14:02,480 we get. It's not skipper. It was released as a video, 254 00:14:02,639 --> 00:14:07,240 not a single, right. And actually the question is did 255 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,080 they really make the video or they just pluck it 256 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,039 out of the Moonwalker movie. I think they just plucked 257 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,039 it out of the Moonwalker movie. 258 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,759 Speaker 2: Probably, Yeah, well, I mean it's this big chase? 259 00:14:16,879 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 4: Is that? What is? 260 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 2: I didn't I don't think I ever saw the Moonwalker. 261 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:20,519 I don't think I saw it. 262 00:14:20,519 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 3: I played the video game. Yeah, okay, next one after 263 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:26,679 a speed Demon. 264 00:14:26,759 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: Liberian Girl, Liberian Girl? 265 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 4: Yeah okay. 266 00:14:29,639 --> 00:14:31,519 Speaker 3: So what do you think about the Library and Girl? 267 00:14:31,639 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 2: Flat? Flat? It's flat? And you know who agrees with me? 268 00:14:35,639 --> 00:14:38,519 Michael Jackson, really because he made a video where you 269 00:14:38,559 --> 00:14:42,159 don't even really hear the song. It's all just and 270 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,159 this again, I think, goes to a rating scrap. You 271 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:46,919 gonna what do you want to watch? You want to 272 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,360 watch a bunch of movie stars all together. So let's 273 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,799 put all of these really famous movie stars in this 274 00:14:51,879 --> 00:14:54,080 video and we're gonna let them talk and you're gonna 275 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:55,879 be able to hear what they say. And everybody's looking 276 00:14:55,879 --> 00:14:56,639 for Michael Jackson. 277 00:14:56,639 --> 00:14:57,919 Speaker 3: Where Michael Jackson there is? 278 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 2: When's he gonna get here? We're all here for this video. 279 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,120 When's he gonna get here? And what's going on in 280 00:15:02,159 --> 00:15:06,279 the background? Is the song like it's not even real, 281 00:15:06,519 --> 00:15:09,120 not out front. You're right, it's not there because it's 282 00:15:09,159 --> 00:15:11,200 not good enough to be there. It's not good enough 283 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,320 to make a video out of it. Is it's good 284 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,440 background music for a short film where everybody's waiting for 285 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,200 Michael to show up. It's kind of the where's good O, 286 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:21,200 where's Michael? 287 00:15:21,799 --> 00:15:27,519 Speaker 3: Okay. So here's my take on my very It's not great. 288 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,360 It's not great. It's it's one of the weaker tracks 289 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:37,279 in the album. So for me, the song eh video 290 00:15:37,519 --> 00:15:40,960 I think is cool, especially I mean as a eighties 291 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,480 time capsule. If you haven't ever seen this video, which 292 00:15:44,879 --> 00:15:47,320 I hadn't until a few years ago, absolutely it is 293 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,679 a fantastic eighties time capsule. 294 00:15:49,759 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 2: By the way, you get Bridget Nielsen in the video 295 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:59,440 as well. Yes, who was in Beverly Hills Coup too too, 296 00:16:00,679 --> 00:16:02,039 which is where the songs. 297 00:16:01,639 --> 00:16:03,159 Speaker 3: Coincidence came from. 298 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:03,759 Speaker 2: I think not. 299 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,559 Speaker 3: I think not so, but you get I mean who's 300 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:07,879 in that? 301 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:08,679 Speaker 4: You got? 302 00:16:08,759 --> 00:16:12,679 Speaker 3: You got Danny Glover, Debbie Gibson, Yep, you get Jamal 303 00:16:12,799 --> 00:16:17,679 Malcolm Warner, THEO from the Yeah from I Don't Know, 304 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:23,200 THEO from the Cosmic Show. You got Steven Spielberg. Not 305 00:16:23,279 --> 00:16:26,000 a skipper, but not one of the stronger tracks. 306 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:26,639 Speaker 4: Okay. 307 00:16:26,679 --> 00:16:30,879 Speaker 3: Then you go into this song called just Good Friends. Now, 308 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:35,159 Quincy Jones said he tried something and it didn't He 309 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,840 didn't think it worked out very well. But it's a 310 00:16:38,919 --> 00:16:40,879 duet between Michael Jackson and Stevie Wonder. 311 00:16:41,159 --> 00:16:44,159 Speaker 2: Okay, so literally can't even remember that. 312 00:16:44,679 --> 00:16:47,399 Speaker 3: It's it's kind of funky, It's it sounds more like 313 00:16:47,399 --> 00:16:48,320 a Stevie Wonder track. 314 00:16:48,559 --> 00:16:48,879 Speaker 4: Okay. 315 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,039 Speaker 3: Still, I mean you got two icons. 316 00:16:52,159 --> 00:16:53,919 Speaker 2: I mean I just listened to the album like two 317 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,759 days ago, and I still don't remember that song. 318 00:16:55,799 --> 00:16:56,039 Speaker 4: Okay. 319 00:16:56,919 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 3: If there is a skipper on the album, this is 320 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,320 the skipper. But it's still interesting that you've got Stevie 321 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,160 Wonder Michael Jackson on the same track. All right, Okay, 322 00:17:05,799 --> 00:17:07,200 So but now. 323 00:17:07,599 --> 00:17:10,799 Speaker 2: It's interesting because people will be willing to people fans 324 00:17:10,799 --> 00:17:14,359 from both sources will buy albums. Right, that's true, You've 325 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:15,480 got more album sales. 326 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 3: Well, he definitely wanted to sell the albums, that's for sure. Okay. 327 00:17:19,519 --> 00:17:21,000 Now this is where we get into kind of the 328 00:17:21,039 --> 00:17:22,039 meat of the lineup right here? 329 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:22,759 Speaker 4: All right, go ahead? 330 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 3: Okay. So after just good Friends, you get a song 331 00:17:27,519 --> 00:17:31,519 called Another Part of Me. Okay, but it's kind of 332 00:17:31,519 --> 00:17:34,000 a funky song, kind of a dance song. Pretty big hit, 333 00:17:34,279 --> 00:17:36,920 not quite in top ten. I like it eleven on 334 00:17:37,039 --> 00:17:40,839 the hot tracks. Good Dancer, nothing innovative, but a nice 335 00:17:40,839 --> 00:17:43,359 song to listen to. There you okay, gotcha and a hit, 336 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,119 a moderate hit. Okay, all right, here we go. Are 337 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:46,680 we ready for this? 338 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:47,319 Speaker 2: Yeah? 339 00:17:49,039 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 3: Man, Maria, what do you think to meet? 340 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:01,559 Speaker 4: Kid? 341 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:06,319 Speaker 2: Preachy? Preachy? What the heck is? 342 00:18:06,319 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 3: We are the world? I mean, you take we are 343 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:08,000 the world? 344 00:18:08,039 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 2: And because they say we he starts off, He starts off, 345 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,160 and he says, I'm looking at the man in the mirror. 346 00:18:15,519 --> 00:18:18,599 I'm asking him to make a change. Yes, no, message 347 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,119 could have been any clearer. Here it goes the switch. 348 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,640 If you want to make the world a better place, 349 00:18:24,319 --> 00:18:28,480 take a look at yourself and you make a change. Yeah. No, 350 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,240 it could have been great if he'd kept it with I, 351 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,400 I and me, me and we are the world. Not 352 00:18:35,319 --> 00:18:38,000 it became preachy. You're way off, basically, and he's not 353 00:18:38,039 --> 00:18:40,880 only preaching, he's got a choir behind him. 354 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:45,759 Speaker 3: That sounds fantastic. This is the best song on either album. 355 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,599 Speaker 2: Oh no, this. 356 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,519 Speaker 3: Is the best song on either album. You it's not 357 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,599 my favorite, but it's the best one. 358 00:18:55,759 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 2: Why what makes it the best one? 359 00:18:58,079 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 3: Because it's because it has a message, an important message. 360 00:19:03,839 --> 00:19:08,400 It has that key change with the choir is awesome 361 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:12,880 in the middle of it. It's more mature writing. You're 362 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,200 not buying it, and I'm buying it. I'm just I mean, 363 00:19:15,839 --> 00:19:19,079 surely you can't be serious. I am serious, and don't 364 00:19:19,079 --> 00:19:22,680 call me. This song is the best song on either album. 365 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,519 I'm sure people are gonna flip out on that, but 366 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,559 I just think it's a It's a more mature song. 367 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,400 It's number one hit. If I go up to anybody 368 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,519 on the street and I say I'm starting with the 369 00:19:33,519 --> 00:19:35,359 Man in the Mirror, They're gonna know what I'm talking about. 370 00:19:35,519 --> 00:19:36,960 It had pop culture impact. 371 00:19:37,279 --> 00:19:39,599 Speaker 2: I mean, it was definitely a big hit and everybody 372 00:19:39,599 --> 00:19:43,119 knows Man in the Mirror. Yes, And it's. 373 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 3: The last part, that key change in the middle of 374 00:19:45,720 --> 00:20:08,240 the song. Awesome, awesome. This song was written by I 375 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,400 think her name is Sila Garrett. I'm not sure I 376 00:20:10,519 --> 00:20:12,680 pronounce her first name, but it's the same girl who 377 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,519 recorded I Just Can't Stop Loving You, which we'll get to, 378 00:20:16,559 --> 00:20:19,720 the same person she wrote Man in the Mirror she 379 00:20:19,839 --> 00:20:22,559 sang the duet with on the next track. Anyway, Also, 380 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,559 the Man in the Mirror video is probably well, I'm 381 00:20:26,599 --> 00:20:29,759 not gonna say that it's one of my favorite videos 382 00:20:29,759 --> 00:20:32,519 because Michael's not in it except for one brief moment, 383 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,920 and all it is is just sort of clips from 384 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,000 what was going on in the world at that moment. 385 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:44,519 And for some weird reason, when I see Baby Jessica 386 00:20:44,599 --> 00:20:46,240 pull it out of that pipe, you're probably too. 387 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 2: Young to remember, No, I totally remember. Okay, yeah, I 388 00:20:48,279 --> 00:20:49,519 mean there's twelve I. 389 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 3: Remember the whole world waiting on pins and needles, baby 390 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,039 Jessica down in this pipe, And when they show that 391 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,559 clip during the music video, I'm like, oh, man, Baby 392 00:20:58,599 --> 00:20:59,920 Jessica got out of the pipe, you know. 393 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 394 00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:03,319 Speaker 3: So anyway, I love the music video. I love the song. 395 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 2: Best song on both albums. 396 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:08,319 Speaker 5: I think, so. 397 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's absolute gold, and it's at 398 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,599 least in the conversation with beat it so well, and. 399 00:21:16,559 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 2: I mean it's it is a song that's still getting 400 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,720 play and the way you make me feel is still 401 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,680 getting play, and Bad is still getting play. Liberian Girl 402 00:21:24,799 --> 00:21:27,160 is not another part of me really isn't anymore. But 403 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:28,759 Man in the Mirror is something that you're still going to. 404 00:21:28,839 --> 00:21:29,839 You're still hearing today. 405 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,559 Speaker 3: Okay, so number one hit, huge number one hit. 406 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,319 Speaker 2: Right next, I just can't stop loving you. 407 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 3: Okay, what do you think? 408 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 2: Why don't you tell me what you think? First? 409 00:21:41,839 --> 00:21:46,799 Speaker 3: Well, catchy good song, number one hit. Originally supposed to 410 00:21:46,839 --> 00:21:50,400 be a duet with Barbara Streisan, which is interesting. She 411 00:21:50,559 --> 00:21:54,079 said no. So they asked Whitney Houston, which that could 412 00:21:54,079 --> 00:21:59,160 have been interesting. So they settled on Sila Garrett, who 413 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:03,279 they called it was a proge of Quincy Jones. They called, said, hey, 414 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,319 come on up to the studio. We want you to 415 00:22:05,319 --> 00:22:08,279 help us out on the song. When she shows up, 416 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,400 they said, oh, by the way, we're laying down track today. 417 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,839 You're singing, so, I mean, I just can't even imagine 418 00:22:15,839 --> 00:22:17,599 showing up and all of a sudden boom, you're on 419 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:23,160 a number one single, right right, So first single off 420 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,880 of released off of Bad, the first number one hit, 421 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,640 and a string of five number one hits, which was 422 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,279 a record setter. We'll get into that more later, I think, Yep, Okay, 423 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,039 big song. I can get a lot of radio play 424 00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:39,160 it today, but a number one song at the time. 425 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, listen. I like the song. I like listening 426 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,599 to the song, Yes, but I also like air Supply. Yes, 427 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,039 it's fair and that's what it is. I mean, it's 428 00:22:50,079 --> 00:22:53,759 another air supply song, it is. And it's so close 429 00:22:53,799 --> 00:22:57,160 to Sarah by Jefferson Starship and those are all good songs. 430 00:22:57,559 --> 00:23:02,039 But it's just like I'm just listening to again Alex Sarah. 431 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:07,960 Thriller gave us things we'd never heard before, and bad 432 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,000 gave us a bunch of stuff we'd already heard before, 433 00:23:10,039 --> 00:23:10,839 even from Thriller. 434 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, but we love it. 435 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it, I get it. I get it 436 00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:17,759 all right, Okay, next one. 437 00:23:20,519 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 3: So the next one is Dirty Diana. 438 00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 2: You will not hear me say anything bad about Dirty 439 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,079 d Okay, star of two Stars on that album that's 440 00:23:30,079 --> 00:23:30,720 starting ever War. 441 00:23:31,279 --> 00:23:33,759 Speaker 3: Okay, that's fair because I was getting ready. 442 00:23:33,519 --> 00:23:35,599 Speaker 2: To jump on you like there was no way. I 443 00:23:35,599 --> 00:23:37,400 will not say anything bad about it. A great song 444 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,839 and great song, rockin' freaking' roll. 445 00:23:40,759 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 3: Yes song, yeah really, and they had Steve Stevens from Billy. 446 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,599 Speaker 2: Idols band, Billy Idols band, that's right. 447 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,599 Speaker 3: And he plays the crazy guitar on that. 448 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,559 Speaker 2: And I had a great video where it's just him 449 00:23:51,559 --> 00:23:55,119 and Michael along the stage tearing it up and wind 450 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:55,880 blowing and. 451 00:23:55,759 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 3: It was at a man, it was it was right 452 00:23:59,079 --> 00:24:01,160 until he Michael Jackson rips his shirt. 453 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,599 Speaker 2: I think he sold it. Okay, I think he sold it. 454 00:24:04,599 --> 00:24:06,240 It's kind of like you. It's kind of like the 455 00:24:06,319 --> 00:24:08,000 end of Jaws. You got it if you if you've 456 00:24:08,039 --> 00:24:10,559 bought in for the full length of the movie, you're 457 00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:12,960 in for the shirt rip. I think he sold it. 458 00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:20,839 Speaker 3: Well. Great song, fantastic number one, another number one hit. Yeah, 459 00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:21,519 part of that. 460 00:24:21,519 --> 00:24:29,519 Speaker 2: Because it kicks awesome, ear gold, Yeah for the year. Yeah, okay. Next, 461 00:24:38,759 --> 00:24:41,799 Smooth Criminal Star number two on the album. 462 00:24:41,839 --> 00:24:42,599 Speaker 3: It's fantastic. 463 00:24:42,599 --> 00:24:45,279 Speaker 2: I will not say anything bad about it. It is 464 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,440 freaking incredible. These those two songs. To me, I don't 465 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:54,079 think Dirty Diana necessarily was innovative in the way that 466 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,759 I was really hoping that the whole album was going 467 00:24:55,839 --> 00:25:00,680 to be. But it kicks, but solid rock, solid rocket, 468 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:06,039 It's great. Yeah, Smooth Criminal, Smooth Criminal. Finally at you know, 469 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,880 the last part of the album gives me something that 470 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,799 I'm like, ah, here finally is something new and exciting. 471 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,079 This was something that I just thought, Okay, it's spot off. 472 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,079 It's really really good. 473 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,519 Speaker 3: Knocking out of the park without a doubt. Another number one. No, 474 00:25:19,559 --> 00:25:21,839 actually this was not a number one hit, which is 475 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:22,559 crazy to me. 476 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,039 Speaker 2: It's crazy, but it's also crazy. The Thriller was only 477 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:25,680 number four. 478 00:25:25,599 --> 00:25:28,079 Speaker 3: So number seven is the highest it got to on 479 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:28,440 the Hot one. 480 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense. 481 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense the video. 482 00:25:31,319 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, killer yep. 483 00:25:33,759 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 3: Showed this to Ava the other day, you daughter, so 484 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,799 you get the anti gravity lean, which is kind of 485 00:25:40,839 --> 00:25:44,640 a neat little trick, but she was a how's he doing? 486 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,240 That's the you know. And he does sort of this 487 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,880 sideways moonwalk while he's on stage, so you get a 488 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,799 little taste of sort of the robot slash moonwalk as 489 00:25:54,799 --> 00:25:57,759 he's walking around doing these cool things and beating up 490 00:25:57,799 --> 00:26:01,799 gangsters and actually blows a gangster away with a gun 491 00:26:01,839 --> 00:26:06,079 in the middle. I was anyway, really awesome video. It 492 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:07,799 gets off track in the middle. I don't know if 493 00:26:07,799 --> 00:26:09,680 you've seen the long version of this in a long time. 494 00:26:09,799 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 2: I haven't seen it. 495 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 3: Okay, so the long version of Smooth Criminal video you 496 00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:17,519 get the music stops, boom, all the dancers are on 497 00:26:17,519 --> 00:26:19,880 the floor. There's a whole lot of screaming and yelling. 498 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,480 So that weird the Way You Make Me Feel vibe 499 00:26:24,279 --> 00:26:25,799 lots of moaning and groaning. 500 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 2: I think that. I think that after the Way You 501 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,640 Make Me Feel, I always hesitant about all Michael Jackson videos, 502 00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:37,200 and so I probably just stuck to the music on 503 00:26:37,319 --> 00:26:37,640 that one. 504 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,279 Speaker 3: Well, but so just to cover that real quick, they 505 00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:44,839 break into this weird moaning and groaning. 506 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, remember it now you brought that these yes, horrible 507 00:26:49,319 --> 00:26:52,200 memories of because they're out on there shavers or something. 508 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 3: So about the time you're willing to change the channel 509 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,720 thinking this is too weird for me. Michael Jackson is 510 00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:58,359 really weird. 511 00:26:58,599 --> 00:26:58,759 Speaker 2: Yeah. 512 00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:04,079 Speaker 3: He it snaps back into full on smooth criminal bus 513 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,079 right back into the middle of the song and he's 514 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,039 back to knocking it out of the party, right last. 515 00:27:09,799 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 2: Track, leave Me Alone than cool song. Yeah, it's just repetitive. 516 00:27:16,039 --> 00:27:18,759 I mean it's good, it's it's kind of the it's 517 00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:20,759 the same thing that he had with the with the 518 00:27:20,799 --> 00:27:24,359 Paul McCartney The Girl is Mind. They've got a good 519 00:27:24,759 --> 00:27:30,079 chorus and catchy tune and it's repetitive. And then they 520 00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:34,359 released a cool video over the elephant Man Skeleton's dancing 521 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:34,960 with video is. 522 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 5: Kind of neat. 523 00:27:36,079 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 2: It's kind of neat, isn't it. That's the one that 524 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,720 he's on the car like on the train car, like the. 525 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 3: He's on the train car and you get you get 526 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:50,000 what is the chimp? What the bubbles bubbles thinking bubbles 527 00:27:50,079 --> 00:27:52,559 is there? And you get the elephant man bones and 528 00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:56,039 it's kind of poking fun at his life in the spotlight. 529 00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,640 And cool song, good song, solid song. Yeah, cool video 530 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,200 didn't track or didn't chart. 531 00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 2: It didn't chart at all, really art Yeah, I'm. 532 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 3: Not sure they released it as a single, but it 533 00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:08,000 didn't chart. 534 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 2: So now the question is, have my arguments against your 535 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,319 absurd position changed your mind? 536 00:28:14,519 --> 00:28:14,839 Speaker 4: Coach? 537 00:28:16,279 --> 00:28:19,599 Speaker 3: Well, why don't you state your position clearly first? 538 00:28:19,759 --> 00:28:20,079 Speaker 4: Okay? 539 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,519 Speaker 2: So my position is this, the release of Thriller was 540 00:28:24,519 --> 00:28:27,839 a paradigm shift of music. They've got music that's so 541 00:28:27,839 --> 00:28:31,599 sonic that it doesn't sound like other music before. Okay, 542 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,559 And they give us music that is unlike music we've 543 00:28:35,599 --> 00:28:38,319 heard before. It's not I mean you if you can 544 00:28:38,359 --> 00:28:40,960 go and find me stuff that people were doing before 545 00:28:41,079 --> 00:28:45,200 Thriller including off the wall and say yeah, this is 546 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,480 all just the same thing. Then I'll concede. But what 547 00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:53,599 you've got with Thriller is a game changer. The game changer. 548 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,000 It is Empire strikes Back, it is I Am your father. 549 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:02,079 Holy crap, what did I just listen to? That was incredible? 550 00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:06,759 Everything has changed. And then had had Bad come out 551 00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:09,720 two years later, it probably I probably would have liked 552 00:29:09,759 --> 00:29:12,759 it better because it would have been it would have 553 00:29:12,839 --> 00:29:17,880 been a more logical step and you're like, Okay, yeah, 554 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,759 this is this is just Thriller Part two, and it's great. 555 00:29:20,799 --> 00:29:22,839 It's got all of those same kind of fun things 556 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,880 that Thriller had. But to come out five years later 557 00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:31,000 and all you've got is a repeat of Thriller songs 558 00:29:31,079 --> 00:29:33,359 in a new vein. I think he was just making 559 00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:36,200 a money grab. I think he's just like, let's let's 560 00:29:36,359 --> 00:29:38,319 I mean not money grab, but sales grap I mean, 561 00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:42,359 obviously the man had more money than humanly anybody would 562 00:29:42,359 --> 00:29:45,799 ever need. But he you know, he talked when he 563 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,359 when he was making Thriller, his big deal to talk together. 564 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,839 The guys were like, I want this to sell, you know, 565 00:29:53,079 --> 00:29:55,720 a fifty million or eighty million hundred million is what 566 00:29:55,759 --> 00:29:59,119 his goal was, one hundred million copies. He for Thriller. 567 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,559 He wants a hundred million in sales. He does, he 568 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,519 said at the time. So he comes out with bad. 569 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,839 He's got five years to change the game again, and 570 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:14,640 he doesn't do it. And he's still concentrating on those albums. 571 00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:18,039 He's got one song, one song on that whole album 572 00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:20,720 that I said, this is unlike anything I've ever heard 573 00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:25,119 in that smooth criminal. But when you compare the entire album, 574 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,279 I mean, except for our two throwaway songs and Thriller, 575 00:30:28,839 --> 00:30:32,319 that was that every single one. If you look at 576 00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:34,960 want to be starting something, nobody else was doing that. 577 00:30:35,559 --> 00:30:37,400 If you want to look at the girl as Mine, 578 00:30:38,319 --> 00:30:40,720 well okay, let's skip that one if you will only 579 00:30:40,759 --> 00:30:45,839 get Thriller. Obviously that wasn't That was amazing and totally 580 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,880 different than anybody had ever heard. Same with beat It, 581 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,839 same with Billy Jean, same with PYT. You've got an 582 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,720 album full of songs that nobody has ever heard anything 583 00:30:53,759 --> 00:30:57,160 like it before, and then you get Thriller Part two. 584 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,759 Speaker 3: Yet Thriller Part two, you get Thriller Part two. I 585 00:30:59,799 --> 00:31:01,279 think it's unfair to ask the guy to change the 586 00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:01,720 world again. 587 00:31:01,799 --> 00:31:05,559 Speaker 2: Though I'm not saying it's fair and that he should 588 00:31:05,559 --> 00:31:08,200 have changed the world. I'm just saying you can't say 589 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,279 that Bad is better than Thriller. 590 00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:13,039 Speaker 3: I'm saying Bad is better than Thriller. I'm not saying 591 00:31:13,079 --> 00:31:16,319 it's a game changer like Thriller was because Thriller was 592 00:31:16,359 --> 00:31:18,920 first to the table. I'm just saying, if you lay 593 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,039 them down side by side, if you go talk to 594 00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:25,160 you know, we're familiar with his argument. 595 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:25,319 Speaker 2: Right. 596 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 3: You go find the guy in Africa who's never heard 597 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,759 Bad or Thriller. Yeah, and you play both for them 598 00:31:29,759 --> 00:31:31,160 and you say which one you need to think is better. 599 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,000 He's like, ah, I think I like both, but this 600 00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:37,240 one's a little stronger. That's my position on Bad. So 601 00:31:37,319 --> 00:31:40,519 it is Thriller part two. But listen, here's why can 602 00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:45,720 I say, all right, I think Bad is a stronger album. Okay, 603 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,799 you have to remove the nuclear blast that Thriller did 604 00:31:50,839 --> 00:31:53,880 on pop culture. So I think you have to separate 605 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,400 that because there's no challenge. I mean, it's Thriller all 606 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,119 the way if you just say because you would, and 607 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,359 I remember, it changed, it changed MTV, it changed pop 608 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,920 cultor it changed radio. It changed everything. It was a 609 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,759 game changer, no doubt about it. I think Bad came 610 00:32:09,799 --> 00:32:14,240 along and I think gave us Thriller Part two fair 611 00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:17,920 but we had it's first album in history to have 612 00:32:18,079 --> 00:32:22,640 five straight number one hits. Okay, first album in history 613 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,720 to do that. Let that zinc in for a second. 614 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,640 Thriller had two number one hits. Bad had five, right, Okay, 615 00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:36,440 Bad had two skippers, two junk songs. Bad has zero 616 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:43,559 or one skipper. Okay, if they're baseball teams, this. 617 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:44,119 Speaker 4: Is how I did. 618 00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 3: Sure, Thriller's got you know, Babe Ruth and Joe Demagio 619 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,680 and Louke Garrig. But up and down the line up, 620 00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:56,920 I think Bad is. So you take the five number ones, 621 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,880 you can't get any higher than those. You compare them 622 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:04,240 to thrillers too, you get stronger showing there, and I 623 00:33:04,319 --> 00:33:07,960 just think the other songs that other songs are what stronger. 624 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,680 That's my opinion. Okay, you don't have to agree with me, No. 625 00:33:11,599 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 2: I don't. I am serious, and don't call me shirt. Yeah, okay, 626 00:33:21,359 --> 00:33:26,000 I I would say that even going back now and 627 00:33:26,079 --> 00:33:28,640 just listening to each album, and you know, you never 628 00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:31,839 know because we've had history with them I can't listen 629 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,079 to it listen to them with the naked ear. But 630 00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:40,000 listening to the songs on Bad, I get three that 631 00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:46,200 I'm like, yeah, Bad, Smooth Criminal or Diana. I'm enjoying myself. 632 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,200 I'm tapping my foot. I'm listening to these songs and 633 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,599 the rest of them, I'm like, oh yeah, I can't 634 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,079 remember this, and I remember that, you know, here's that 635 00:33:52,119 --> 00:34:00,839 preachy song, okay, And listening to Thriller, oh man, it was. 636 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,440 It's it's just a symphony from the beginning at the end. 637 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,720 I mean, especially the thriller of the song, but the 638 00:34:07,799 --> 00:34:11,360 album itself, the variation that it has from song to song, 639 00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:16,920 the strength of the songs that it has, I still think, 640 00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:19,119 even compared side by side, that there's no way that 641 00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:21,079 you're gonna say bad better. I mean, okay, let me. 642 00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:25,280 Let's going back to the Star Wars analogy. Yes, if 643 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:31,639 you saw Empire Strikes Back, yes, and you saw Return 644 00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:34,880 of the Jedi, yes, and you could and you said, 645 00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:38,280 here's both of them, which one's better? Well, you know what, 646 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,119 you're probably gonna say return of the Jedi because Return 647 00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:44,480 of the Jedi did some stuff that wasn't even possible 648 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,760 when they did Empire Strikes Back. I mean the flying 649 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,079 through the forest and the scenes, the war scenes, even 650 00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:54,519 with those goofy little ewoks, it was still amazing, amazing 651 00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:57,239 stuff that they didn't really do an Empire strikes Back. 652 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,400 Empire strikes Back, they didn't really do anything technology that 653 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,599 was more impressive than they had done in Star Wars. 654 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,159 But Empire Strikes Back was a game changer, and that's 655 00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:09,960 why it's the best movie. And Thriller was a game changer, 656 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,119 and that's why it's the best album. 657 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,760 Speaker 3: I think your Star Wars analogy is pretty good, but 658 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,199 I think that Thriller is Star Wars, which is game changer. 659 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,639 Star Wars was a game changer. True, that's true and 660 00:35:21,679 --> 00:35:24,920 that but what impress strikes Back is widely regarded as 661 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,559 the best of the series, no question, because it's just 662 00:35:27,639 --> 00:35:29,920 a little bit better now. 663 00:35:30,039 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 2: It's because you find out that Darth Vader's look, we. 664 00:35:33,159 --> 00:35:33,800 Speaker 5: Needn't get into that. 665 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:34,280 Speaker 3: We'll get into that. 666 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get in there. 667 00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 3: So anyway, all right. 668 00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:39,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's it. So, I you know, with 669 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,840 this is an audience this is an audience participation thing. 670 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,559 And so at the time that you're finished listening to 671 00:35:46,639 --> 00:35:48,320 us who want you to join us on social mid 672 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,559 give us your opinion, you know which can jump in 673 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,320 if you if you came into this it came into 674 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,920 this with an opinion and had that opinion change, We 675 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,400 definitely want to hear that. But I have a feeling 676 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,039 and you feel like thank either one of us gave 677 00:36:01,039 --> 00:36:04,199 you some strong arguments behind your opinion and you're sticking 678 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:05,800 with it. Let's hear about that too. 679 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,559 Speaker 3: All right, everyone jump in on this. We've got it 680 00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:10,880 on our social media page. We'd love to hear from you. 681 00:36:11,159 --> 00:36:13,559 Tell us what you think. Am I crazy? Maybe I 682 00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:16,480 am isd crazy? Is the old fashion? Is he thinking 683 00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:19,800 about throller skating the ring and not comparing them side 684 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,360 by side? Then we want to hear that too. So 685 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,599 just for the record, I love. 686 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 2: Thriller and just for the record, I love that. Okay, 687 00:36:27,159 --> 00:36:29,000 thank you so much for your support of the Shirley 688 00:36:29,039 --> 00:36:32,079 You Can't Be Serious podcast. Don't forget. 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